Dan Wootton Outspoken - REFORM UK BOMBSHELL AS NIGEL FARAGE GIVES UP CONTROL OF PARTY AMID BITTER LABOUR BNP ROW

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

VERSO - https://evening.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. A Reform UK bombshell! Nigel Farage HAS given up control of Reform UK, the political movement he formed with Richard Tice as the Brexit party. So can he now REALLY be voted out as leader? Dan will reveal all in his Digest and bring you the latest on the growing row between the party and Labour, which has outrageously tried to link Reform to the National Front and the BNP. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: The dream duo of Social Commentator Leilani Dowding and conservative YouTube sensation June Slater. PLUS: The madness of LBC’s troubled James O’Brien exposed in a bizarre new interview. AND: More trouble for the McCanns as the so-called Fake Maddie who appeared on Dr Phil is arrested upon arrival in the UK on suspicion of stalking Gerry and Kate. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Gwyneth Paltrow turns on Meghan Markle by backing the brand that the disastrous Duchess has ripped off for the launch of As Ever. The row that’s dividing California with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina on Substack after the main show. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Today’s Sponsors: GROUND.NEWS - Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. INCOGNI - Take back your personal data with Incogni! Use code OUTSPOKEN at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/outspoken SURFSHARK - Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra four months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. MANSCAPED - https://manscaped.com – get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken. ---------- Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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exclusions and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. No sin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wotton. This is Outspoken Live episode number 167. And we start today with a Reform UK bombshell. Nigel Farage has in the past few hours given up control of Reform UK, the political movement he formed with Richard Tice, as the Brexit party. So can he now really be voted out as leader? I'll tell you in my digest and bring you the latest on this growing row between the party and Labour, which has outrageously tried to link reform to the National Front and the BNP. That's what I call desperate. Then my superstar panel weigh in and are back. The dream duo of social commentator Lalani Dowding and established political commentator and YouTube sensation June Slater. Also coming up

on the show today, J.D. Vance is to shame Slippery Starmer by raising the UK's lack of free speech when the Prime Minister travels to Washington, D.C. next week. The madness of LBC's troubled James O'Brien exposed. I'll show you his most deranged interview yet, and I promise you, you just won't believe what you are watching. And more trouble for the McCanns as the so-called fake Maddie who appeared on Dr. Phil is arrested upon arrival in the UK on suspicion of stalking Jerry and Kate McCann. That very bizarre story on the way, including this freaky phone call. Hello, who's speaking?

Hello, I'm Julia. Can we talk, please? I don't want to disturb you. I just need to talk with you. You must have the wrong number. No, I know your voice, Jerry. Wow. So I'll tell you all about that arrest, what's really going on later in the show. And in the uncancelled after show today on Substack,

Gwyneth Paltrow turns on Meghan Markle by backing the brand that the disastrous Duchess has ripped off for the launch of As Ever. So this is the row that's now dividing California, and we're going to cross stateside to be joined by Royal YouTube sensation P. Dina on Substack after the main show today, www.outspoken.live. Now, this is very exciting today. We're actually moving Greatest Britain Union Jackass to X because I just thought it was worth mixing things up, trying things a bit differently

on another platform. So get voting on my X profile for today's union jackass the nominees though as usual zara saltana nominated by amazingly for her disgraceful post about uh nigel farajan i'm gonna get to that by the way i'm going to explain all the latest madness in my digest in just one moment great nominee darren the scottish police nominated by the the brilliant Darren Donaldson, who runs the Dan Wotton Club on X. And that is because they have now arrested someone again for a silent prayer, despite J.D. Vance's humiliation of our country as a result of that. And nominee three, this is mine. Forgive me for this. Meghan Markle. But come on,

did she really have to copy with her logo? Did she really have to destroy two small businesses? Did she really have to embarrass a beautiful little Spanish town? No, she did not. So they are the nominees. Get voting on X today. You'll find it on my X profile at Dan Wootton, the announcement of the results and our greatest Britain come at the end of the show, plus your comments. But now, let's go. A 67-word statement that could change the future of British politics. Within an hour of filing, these bombshell new appointments to Companies House, which remove Nigel Farage and Richard Tice as the controllers of the political movement they founded as the Brexit Party, confirmation from Reform UK's Chairman Zia Youssef of what is a potentially historic

change. So let me read you the official statement. We are pleased to announce that, as promised, Nigel Farage has handed over ownership of Reform UK to its members. Reform UK is now a non-profit with no shareholders, limited by guarantee. We are assembling the governing board in line with the constitution. This was an important step in professionalising the party. We will soon have more exciting announcements about Reform UK as we prepare for government. Wow. Now there is more we don't know, okay? Because we don't know yet the mechanism through which Nigel Farage could be replaced as leader. Now let me just be clear on this, I'm not advocating for that to happen. As you know, I predicted he would become Prime Minister the day he stood to run for Clacton last June, and I stand by that. But this change is

also about keeping Nigel honest, especially as he does appear to be tacking to the left on a number of issues in recent months. Let's just be honest about that. Mass deportations, not being worried about changing demography. And now even on the issue of whether British troops should be sent to Ukraine. That said, I give him full credit today for going through with this change, given I know for a fact that he set up the Brexit party and then Reform UK in this way to specifically avoid what happened when he was in UKIP, where the members, in his view, ironically gained too much control for his liking and backed Tommy Robinson. And there is much time for the details to be revealed and hopefully debated. And by the way, in a potential sign of peace in our times, Reform's former

deputy leader Ben Habib, who Nigel brutally axed from the party altogether after the election, even provided a tepid endorsement. So this is worth looking at. He wrote, I am delighted the campaign I fought for the democratisation of Reform seems to be bearing fruit. It would appear Nigel has given up control of the company he owned to a new company limited by guarantee, the sort which can then be handed over to the party's membership. For the transfer of ownership to be effective, the new company would also have to become the registered political party and its membership verified. The draft constitution unveiled by Nigel last year would also have to apply to this new

company limited by guarantee. That constitution is flawed and puts his leadership in a virtually unassailable position. However, these steps would appear to be a massive improvement. As encouraged as I am, I will reserve final judgment on its structure until details are clear. For the sake of the country, it is vital that if reform is to play a central role in British politics, it is democratized. So with the right more united in some time with that announcement from Ben Habib, now the chairman of the Great British Pack, no wonder Labour is in full-on panic mode. Trust me, that's the reason behind the hard-left, pro-Hamas, extremist MP Zahra Sultana, who has just been readmitted to the Labour Party,

being allowed to launch insane attacks on reform, which mark my words, are going to become increasingly deranged and increasingly commonplace as Farage continues to lead in every major poll. So in a no thanks Nigel statement, where she refused to apologise for her obvious incitement to violence the day before, Sultana's rhetoric actually went harder. As she declared, in my view, these are her words, based on the comments they have made publicly about Muslims and migrants, Reform UK is comparable to the National Front and the BNP. We pushed back against them before and will do it again. Now, Reform's Muslim chairman, Zia Youssef, responded immediately. He told her,

remarkably, you've managed to write a lengthy statement in which literally every sentence is false. Then Nigel's loyal MPs defended their man on X, even his leadership rival, Rupert Lowe, who posted, at Reform, we are everything you are not. Patriotic, decent, civil. We are in parliament to represent our constituents and our country. You should try it occasionally. You might enjoy it. Please do remember this. You are the MP for Coventry, not Gaza. Act like it. Leanderson posted note to Zahra Sultana. Meet the future. But then things really kicked off, really kicked off when James McMurdoch, the party's youngest MP, he's really had to deal with a whole load of tough stuff about his past, added backpedal bingo. Tick, play the victim. Tick, emotional blackmail. Tick, claim the moral

high ground. Tick, make baseless accusations. Tick, add some character assassination. Tick. Emotional blackmail. Tick. Claim the moral high ground. Tick. Make baseless accusations. Tick. Add some character assassination. Tick. Outright lie. So that prompted another offence archaeology tirade from nasty Sultana, who shot back, aren't you the guy who got convicted for assaulting your then girlfriend while drunk outside a club? But James soon showed why reform has its finger on the pulse of Britain. Because this is how he replied. And I just want to say, good on you, James McMurdoch. He said, no, I'm the guy who was the first in his family to go to university, who co-chaired the finance society and was treasurer for the rugby club, who dragged himself out the gutter and built a life that most men can only dream of, who is surrounded by love, surrounded by family, has three daughters,

and in the next week or so will be announcing the birth of my second son, who gave up all the peace and comfort in the world to try and save Great Britain from the slow path of decline it is on. This weak gotcha has run its course. I won my seat with £400 and two weeks of campaigning. Every time I speak in Parliament, I represent 810,000 voters. You should remember who you are supposed to be representing. And I just say, hear, hear, James Murdoch. I know what it's like when people try and use allegations connected to your past to cancel you today. That is done. That type of offence archaeology is over.

Move on. And that was a brilliant response because let's tackle things head on now. But I do have a but, you know, I always have a but. Because before we get carried away, reform does actually now need to realise what we are facing in terms of the total invasion of the United Kingdom and the loss of the native population. Heed the warning now as top demographer Dr Paul Moreland predicts that by just 2050, not that far away, the majority of children in the UK will be non-white.

Watch. I would say within 30 years. The current level of immigration, if you bring a million people in a year, that's next. It's more than a million. And you have some Brits going overseas. And of course, there is a bit of a movement. There are some immigrants who come and go. But there's no doubt. I mean, there's also the question of how quickly people assimilate. People from Europe become white British. And my own parents were Germans and I identify as white British on the census. But so there are all sorts of questions around that. But at the level of a million people a year, and for all the talk of

smash the gangs and immigration controls, I don't see that significantly changing under either of the two main parties, then I think by 2050, at least the majority of children in this country will be non-white British and quite possibly of the whole population. And this is why, as a demographer, a point I keep making is that if you want the economy to grow, if you want a balance of people of working age and the retired, and if you don't want mass immigration, then you have to have larger families. People actually have to take the responsibility themselves of saying that they will have two or three children if they can. And, of course, there are cultural reasons they don't, there are economic reasons

they don't. I think the government's responsibility is to help them. If we don't have reasonably sized families, then inevitably we will either decline as an economy and decline as a nation. The fight for the future of Britain is well and truly on. Now, my superstar panel. And I'm absolutely delighted today to welcome back June Slater, the established political commentator. Of course, she's all over Facebook and YouTube and the social commentator Lalani Dowdy. Now, June, let me start with you on this because for a long time you have been

saying to all of the people who've been a little bit like Ben Habib, a little bit impatient about Reform UK and the changes they're making, just be patient, give Nigel a chance. Give the party a chance. And today, I presume you're very happy with this announcement. Well, yes, but I've never thought it's been a point of great consequence at this stage because the Electoral Commission would keep any party in control. So it would have had to happen. I think Ben Habib's taken a little bit too much credit for what's happened. If you cast your mind back on the 5th of July, Nigel Farage said he would democratise the party. It was a promise. He actually used the word promise to democratise the party. And that left me in no doubt that he couldn't come out with such a statement on something that would make such a you know graphic change and not follow through with it so I'm not surprised and I don't really credit Ben in this instance for

this taking place it's down to reform it's down to what they want to achieve and what how they want to move forward and at the moment they're just five men in parliament and whilst Nigel's got a very high profile public profile he hasn't got power base yet because he's only a backbencher but the pressure is on him to make these changes he's done it I'll reiterate it's not a problem I don't care how anybody dresses this up at this stage in the game with what this country has to face that is a moot point and I'm sad to say the only people bringing it forward have been people who have stood multiple times as candidates for reform and lost and I'm curious as why they stood in the first place if this was such a big thing to them you know why didn't they say well i can't stand for a party that's not democratized um and why it's only come to the forefront after their loss

these are good people bearing in mind these are people i'd be happy to vote for if they were my constituency representative but nevertheless i think this has been overplayed and over sensationalized and the people that should be worried about anything like this are the people putting the money where their mouth is, which is the backers. And they haven't even made a whisper about it. And Zia's obviously quite happy to go along with it, as are Candy and the other people that have offered support.

So I think it was a fait accompli. It's not because of pressure. Leilani Dowling, I guess the counter to that is that a political party can only be kept honest if its members have the opportunity to vote out a leader for whatever reason. Absolutely. So I do think that going forward, this is going to be absolutely wonderful but to what June says um someone like me who doesn't know that much about politics or who was recently got into it who's just really worried about the state of this country I didn't really understand what it meant you know and how they were running and how the reform party was set up so I used to phone up June and I'd be like June you know can you just explain this to me?

I can see Ben Habib seems angry about the setup of reform. And I can see a couple of other people. Can you explain it in detail to me? And so I can try and understand, you know, what is it people are upset about? And obviously, I did understand. I understand people want to be able to vote in, vote out people. But I think two people like me me who just really didn't know, we just wanted to see some good people standing. And right now we've got these five great MPs and I just want to see reform grow and grow. And if this is a more positive way of doing it to people that have a much deeper knowledge of politics and the way parties are set up. If this is the way to do it, then, you know, I hope that this is, you know, what pushes the party forward and makes people really happy that they do have that opportunity now to vote the leaders in and out.

And the thing is, look at this, this is the live membership ticker for Reform UK. So literally, we can all see what is happening in terms of who is coming into the party. And at 309,000, they will overtake the Labour Party membership and become the largest political party in the UK. So it's important, isn't it, for those 211,000 people to know that they have an opportunity to, I guess, have their say if they need to. Well, yes, but the thing is, what you've got to be careful of here, at the moment, there's quite a large nucleus of people who are annoyed with the Reform Party because of Richard Tice's that lot comment and because of things like Nigel Farage openly dissing Tommy Robinson so if they did have such a power how many of them would exercise that power and join reform on block just to have an effect just like the momentum people did with the Labour Party they did that they put the membership fee down for Labour so that people could join from momentum

for I think it was a fiver or something down from 25 quid a shed load of people joined and we got Jeremy Corbyn as the leader which the normal Tory party sorry Labour party would never have done then that made people who were really genuinely Labour if you know what I mean pull away from it and subsequently the next election that became the red wall where people were so afraid of Jeremy Corbyn being left-wing ironically he's not as left as Keir Starmer that they voted for the Tories so you've got to have some sort of mechanism and the mechanism is similar to how every other party is set up Lib Dems Conservatives and that is you have to go through a management structure you can't just get a posse of members together and say right we're having you out that's dangerous

and particularly dangerous right now because spite and bad feeling lack of political knowledge would cause a lot of people to vote Nigel down because they're mad at him and you don't do politics like that unfortunately and people will learn so many skills but they won't bother to learn about politics and this is the most critical time whoever you are on the planet and whatever age you're at this is the most critical time, whoever you are on the planet, and whatever age you're at, this is the most critical time you should be learning about politics, because you're not going to get another opportunity. The 2029 was sunk. Exactly. Save our country. Save our country. It is so critical. So June, you can see how desperate Labour is getting. Zahra Sultana, who is this attack dog on the hard left,

Corbynista, pro-Hamas, the full work. She has been readmitted to the party, June, and now comparing Reform UK to the BNP and the National Front. What's your response to that claim? Well, maybe now you can see why Nigel Farage openly puts this physical barrier up to Tommy Robinson because Tommy and the right way anybody right wing this is what Labour will do they'll try I mean the BNP don't exist they're gone and Nigel Farage was instrumental in in them

not being about because they were too hardcore they They were too, they were over the top. And so Nigel didn't want that. He didn't want it for UKIP. And he's tried to be as moderate as he can be. He's been polite with news presenters who insist on talking about Tommy Robinson. Nigel doesn't want to talk about Tommy Robinson, but let's face it, it eats into a lot of airtime where he could be talking about policies and showing people what he's capable of doing. But let's waste five minutes talking about Tommy, who doesn't want to go in the party, who still recommends voting for them.

And it's a moot point. So you can see with the way Labour are behaving. And the other reason she's been invited back is that Labour are scared to death of losing more seats to Islamists. Because there will be more independents standing at the next election. Absolutely they are. So let's bring a scarf wearer, says she. Let's bring a scarf wearer. Very different type of scarf. Back into the fray so that you'll like us more.

They're trying to get votes from Gaza, basically. Of course. Of course, because at the moment, a whole load of Labour MPs, including a lot of frontbenchers like Wes Street and Yvette Cooper, very likely to be replaced, if not by a Reform UK MP, but by a sectarian, a pro-Hamas MP. There's already five of them in parliament, plus Jeremy Corbyn. Leilani Dowding, how do you feel about the fact that actually we are facing, just a couple of decades away, the majority of children in this country are going to be non-white?

And is that an issue that is acceptable to talk about politically? And should it be? In Starmer's Britain, I don't know if it is acceptable, but I think it should be acceptable that it's talked about. You know, I don't have children myself. June hasn't got children, you know, so you're talking to people that don't but the question is why um and what kinds of a britain are we bringing them into so it's almost like this self-fulfilling circle where someone like me would be afraid to raise a child in this country now as it is and the way it's going but my by myself being afraid you know know, to raise a child, whether, you know, economically, the way the school systems are, what's being taught in schools, the safety, the demographic change, all of these things are things that I would be concerned about if I was to have children

now. And, or if I, you know, if I've been looking after my niece, I'm afraid for her. And so she was my own, you know, of what she'll be facing. And in that turn, it makes people like me have less, want less. And the cycle continues. I think the only thing that we can do is stop giving benefits to people who don't speak this language and therefore can't integrate. And they will deport themselves if we can't throw them out just stop all the benefits to those that aren't contributing to this society that are getting money for having children and we're looking after their children yet they can't speak the language they don't contribute um let them deport themselves and you know let's see if there's a way to encourage

young british people to have children i just don't know that there is the way this is going and i'm not talking about the nonsense they fill people's heads with about climate change and all that i'm talking about the dangers of living and raising children in Britain right now. June, just before I get you to come in, I want us to have a look at Nigel Farage himself responding to the criticism of Reform UK earlier this afternoon on his employer, GB News. I just wondered if you'd, on a separate note, if you'd given any thought to the Coventry

South MP Zahra Sultana and the campaign she seems to be launching against you personally and the Reform Party. She's been publicising an event in Birmingham, it seems, with a picture of yourself cartoonised, with a big, you know, no entry sign, not allowed sign and also a letter comparing reform to the BNP and the National Front. What do you reckon to that? I think it's disgraceful and, frankly, I think it's almost insightful. It's very, very... What she said about me and about our people is very close to incitement and clearly what she's trying to do is she's trying to get

you know a crowd of protesters many of whom may not behave themselves to turn up june your response she's a troublemaker they didn't want her and because they're desperate they're allowing her back she's bad news She represents a particular demograph that's growing in that area. It's sad to see. She's not a very nice person as far as I can see. And I'm sick to death of seeing other countries' flags waving on the streets of Britain. It's about time we realise that we are a country of taxpaying,

moderate people who just want to get on with our lives. We're not interested in what's going on overseas particularly because we seem to be paying for everybody. And we've had enough of it. And I think Nigel Farage is completely, I think he's completely right in saying it's insightful because, you know, the never office case, people think I'm a fangirl.

I'm not a fan. I'm just very, very practical in how I see things. And this man leading this particular party is the only hope of getting any slight change in this country. And the way it's going, Piers Darmer, he's selling ourselves overseas. He's backing the wrong horse with the upset in Ukraine. He is prepared to allow people like her back into the party simply because what else can he do? He either loses, she keeps a seat, or he loses it to an Islamist.

You know, most of these councils are bankrupt because of spending in the wrong areas, and it goes up the food chain I'm afraid and I think Nigel Farage is a very tolerant man and I wonder if he sometimes thinks I'd have been better off being a commentator he's not come back into politics for money you can forget that not 1.2 million pound a year salary at GB News and the money has been offered overseas in America doesn't need to come back into politics for money. It's about time the people of Britain realised that the man is astute,

he's sounding what he thinks, he might not say things to you that you think are right, like when he said you can't attack Islam head on, you can't face the facts, we would lose. It's that simple. And just because you've got a few aggressive young men who think that walking around the streets of London at a protest is going to sort anything out, it's not. Because unfortunately, the bulk of the British public want to get on with their lives. They don't want to break the law.

They don't want to fight on the streets. They don't want it. We're three generations into apathy and it's not going to change. So the only way you can change this country is to vote unsuitable people out. And you'll do that by nicking votes from the centre ground. It's the centre ground. Breaking right now, J.D. Vance is set to embarrass Slippery Starmer, the prime minister Minister on the international stage by bringing up the UK's crackdown on free speech when the Labour leader visits Washington DC in his desperate pilgrimage to try and prove that he is on side with the Trump administration. But hang on just a moment. Doesn't J.D. Vance have such an important

point which our mainstream media fail to understand? There is no freedom of speech in this country anymore. There are political prisoners. And when they are told these facts, they simply cannot get their head around it. Look, for example, at this interview where Victoria Derbyshire was completely embarrassed by facts on Newsnight. For example, J.D. Vance, the US vice president, was talking about a retreat of free speech in Europe and the UK at the same time as cuddling up to President Putin, where if you speak against him, you get put in jail, where if you oppose his policies, you get poisoned, where you know, I just have to interrupt you and just say that there are more people in jail in the UK for

because they spoke what they thought was right or they had interest online than there are in all of Russia. Oh my goodness, I don't know where. She doesn't know where you got that from. Well, guess what, Victoria Derbyshire? It's a fact. As outlined here by Konstantin Kisin, who, by the way, is no fan of President Putin. Russia last year, 400 people were arrested for things that they said on social media.

400 people in Russia. Obviously, this country is very different. How many people do you think were arrested in Britain for things they said on social media last year? Go on. Take a guess. I have no idea. 3,300. Really? Arrested for what they'd said on social media? Yeah.

What sort of things get you arrested? Well, one example I give in my show is there was a young woman from Liverpool called Chelsea Russell. And people can look this up. Her friend was killed in a car crash, a 19-year-old woman. And she posted the lyrics of his favorite song on her Instagram. And it was a rap song, so the lyrics contained several instances of the N-word. She was arrested, prosecuted, found guilty, given 500 hours of community service and a fine, tagged, and for a year she was under 8pm to 8am curfew. My goodness. In Britain. In Britain. In 2018.

And since then, we know that Lucy Connolly is in jail for a tweet. Julie Sweeney, a grandmother caregiver, is in jail for a Facebook post. So perhaps it's time for the UK to be a little bit holier than thou until we clean up our own free speech mess. So that's why it has now been revealed by J.D. Vance that he will raise these free speech issues with Starmer during his visit to Washington. This is hugely embarrassing to the United Kingdom. Hugely, hugely embarrassing. Because that's the type of thing that in the past we, as a Western nation, would have raised with a country like China. But when asked about this, J.D. Vance said simply, we certainly will. We're simply telling them to respect the values on which our civilization was founded,

that you ought to debate with one another, you ought to, you know, your government should respect when the people have a dissenting viewpoint. He added to the National Post, it's very simple and it's very obvious. Let me bring in my superstar panel now, June Slater and Lalani Daldin. I mean, Lalani, I am so embarrassed. I am so embarrassed by the fact that we need JD Vance actually to speak up for free speech in the United Kingdom. We actually need him to humiliate Starmer on an international stage. But isn't it shocking that the mainstream media and the elites are just completely clueless about the fact that we no longer have free speech in this country? There are political prisoners in this country. There are. I thought the funniest thing was when the German defence minister said that J.D. Vance's speech was not acceptable. Do they not understand the irony of

it? You know, J.D. Vance goes on to say Europe does not accept free speech and the German defense uh minister says yeah the Vance speech is not acceptable like literally those words this is not acceptable so it's you know we we don't that's the real truth of the matter and as you said Lucy Connolly and all the other people locked up I was just speaking to Mark Heath somebody that you've had on your show he was somebody that was arrested luckily he I think he was the first person that actually didn't get a jail sentence but he was still kept on remand for a long time stopped from seeing his family over a social media post. So it is what's going on in England. And I'm so grateful that we have someone like JD Vance that is going to start holding

our leaders to account with what's going on. I know that I was censored. You know, thankfully, I wasn't put in jail, but I was censored right from the start of lockdowns, right from the start of talking about the jabs, talking about how our economy is going to go to pieces if they hours, I think, because of a post that she put on them trying to find something. They held her trying and trying to find something to get her on because they wanted they really wanted her trying to manipulate her and scare her into pleading guilty, telling her they were going to keep hold of her, keep her on her mind. So all of these things, you know, our country and the whole entire of Europe actually need to be held to account because we do not have free speech anymore. And June Slater, you went viral all over the world this week with your post on X standing up for Tommy Robinson. I led the show on it on Monday because it sparked Rupert Lowe, the Reform UK MP, to actually write to the Ministry of Justice about his treatment behind bars at H&P Woodhill, which has become more deranged and just cruel, actually, just cruel and inhumane over the course of the week. June, this post has now been seen all over

America. Millions of people have viewed it. It seems to have helped change the narrative. At this point, J.D. Vance hasn't actually named Tommy Robinson, but it does feel like that's what he's getting at. Would you agree? I currently hope so. I mean, I purposely didn't even name Tommy in the post because I knew it would be so emotive. And it was worded in such a manner to give people an escape route.

It was a conscience pricker it wasn't an insult it wasn't designed to upset or anger anyone it was designed to prick people's consciences because no matter how you see Tommy Robinson good bad indifferent he deserves better treatment this is beyond beyond rational and you've got a man who's in isolation, who's been disallowed visits, now disallowed phone calls, and now being punished even more because of his attitude. Apparently he's had some sort of outburst. You've got to have an outburst, haven't you? Is that not just human nature?

I mean, I really do think, and I've got to say that the Reform Party have been concerned about this, not because they support Tommy Robinson, because they support human nature, because they support the right for people to be treated properly within the legal system. And I'm afraid I don't think we can rely on that anymore. I'm a pretty tepid blogger. If I'm insulted, it's usually for humour. It's not usually to cause any aggression. But nevertheless, I worry. I've put that much stuff out now.

They'll probably pick something up about me that's five years old. I don't know. But the trouble is we've got a leader who I think, apart from the fact that he'll have to deal with America and probably advance, and if he had anything about him, he'd be dealing with President Trump, wouldn't he? But he's not. He's going to see advance.

That's the first kick in the teeth. And internationally, it's a showing up. But this is a man with a skin like a rhino. This is a man who's just driven down this path of cultural Marxism. I'm sorry, I think it just fits the bill. And he's got a set of stooges that agree with him. And even more stooges in the European Union. Ursula von der Leyen had to laugh at Bushrood,

put out that he is another deranged right-wing politician. The last thing Oskar von der Leyen is, is right-wing. This is typical leftism. This is typical socialism, typical anti-democratic, autocratic political stance, you know, stops free speech. 60 Minutes did a piece about free speech in Germany where they were doing dawn raids on people for putting a cartoon up about religion. I mean, you just can't make this up. It's madness.

Dawn raids, six copies, and they're armed in Germany. And this was carried on across the country, not just in one canton either. So that's Germany. So the critical thing that's happening to all of us and nobody's taking much notice apart from me and mitch late at night when we're talking in whatsapp is that i don't mean together in bed i just mean whatsapp um is the german elections uh the guy who wants to be the Chancellor has already said that if AFD win, they'll nullify

the election like they did in, I think it was Romania, it was an Eastern Bloc country. This is how far down the slippery slope we're going. Alice Wilder would make a superb German Chancellor and the AFD party is completely rational. And I think it's completely unjust to refer to wanting normal things like the right to your own religion, no other religion towering above yours. The right to be able to speak as you find is just rational behaviour. It's not right wing at all. It's how we should be. Of course, but the media have described it as far right. As a result, we've seen Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, distance himself from the AFD. But you've got Jadie Vance, who I think is now one of the great hopes for the world in terms of the next generation, the post-Trump generation, saying, hang on a moment, wake up.

There's a very, very obvious reason that the AFD are charging ahead in a lot of the polls at the moment, although, of course, we'll find out the results at the election over the weekend. Leilani Downey, I just want to ask you about the Tommy Robinson situation because, of course, you have been an outspoken supporter of Tommy at a time when actually you got completely cancelled for even mentioning his name. Elon Musk has shifted the Overton window. How difficult has it been for you to see his

treatment behind bars at Woodhill this week? You know what, I think it's absolutely horrific. And I've asked the question, where are the human rights lawyers? Do they only come out for terrorists? Do they only come out for asylum seekers and illegal immigrants that have crossed the border? Do they only come out for criminals just before deportation? Like, I thought that human rights is about human rights, not, you know, and that's human rights of everybody, not just, you know, the criminals and the asylum seekers and all the bad people. What about Tommy Robinson's human rights? You know, it's one thing to stop maybe a few journalists coming to see him, even though I think that's completely wrong, because a lot of you guys are friends. I think you were stopped,

Dan. Lewis Bracknell was stopped. There were many people that have been stopped recently, even if they promised to sign NDAs, were stopped then they stopped the mother of his kids coming now that's just outrageous to me why how how can you stop that for for what and then there's issues with his food because he's afraid that he's going to get poisoned by somebody in who makes the food in the kitchen. So he's only in canned food. So he's losing loads of weight. There's all these horrific things happening and it's completely unjust. And I don't even know why this guy, for what he's accused of and or what he's been charged, found guilty of why he's even in that kind of a prison with rapists and murderers in the first place.

Why is he in one of the strongest, toughest prisons? Totally. And certainly I feel a bit of guilt about this whole situation because it was after my visit that HMP Woodhill and the governor there, Nicola Marfleet, decided to introduce NDAs. I was never asked to sign one at all. I believed, and I know Tommy supported me with this, that it was totally within the public interest to say, actually, Axel Rudekabana, the Southport massacre terrorist, is now practicing the Muslim faith behind bars at Belmarsh. And I certainly have no guilt about revealing that, but I do have a lot of guilt that as a result of me revealing that here, Tommy has been put in this terrible, terrible situation.

Now, James O'Brien, we know that this guy is one of the weirdest, most unpleasant, and let's be frank, completely unhinged hard left broadcasters in the United Kingdom. He gets away with a lot of his shtick because he's on the left, because of his friendships with the likes of Carol Vorderman, who he is currently on tour with. But there's something about James O'Brien that is truly deranged these days, because the way that he presents himself to the wider world is in total contrast with how he believes he acts in life. This is the nasty guy. This is the guy who refuses to listen. This is the guy who will demonize folk who voted for Brexit, demonize folk who are concerned about patrolling our borders. Yet James O'Brien genuinely believes that he is on another level

to the rest of us. And I want to share with you an interview with Paloma Face, equally unhinged, by the way, pop star. And I think we start to see that James O'Brien is currently in some sort of serious decline. So let me bring in my superstar panel, the social commentator Lalani Daldin and established political commentator June Slater. Guys, I hate to put you through this, but sometimes you actually need to see the madness of someone to understand there's no reason we should listen to this guy ever again first up here's james o'brien admitting that very often he tries to win arguments even though he is wrong

in a way it was good radio because people would ring in who were hugely upset with me and very cross with me and I'd argue with them and I'd win because I'd put my armour on and I'd be my survival personality. You know, you can win arguments even when you're wrong. And that's what I do on those sort of issues. Oh, and by the way, it's not James O'Brien who's mad. Everyone else is. Since 2016, there have been times when you've thought to yourself, well, maybe I'm wrong about everything. Certainly back in November when Trump gets re-elected, you think, how can this happen? Maybe I am missing something. Maybe there is more to these positions than I've ever allowed.

Maybe it is condescending and superior to hold that these views are just objectively... Morally right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, objectively right, or the opposite views are objectively wrong, or at best, objectively ridiculous. And when you see the world turning,

when you see people like Boris Johnson become Prime Minister, when you see the world turning, when you see people like Boris Johnson become prime minister, when you see newspapers that your friends work on and that you could have easily ended up working on yourself, greeting Liz Truss as if she's the second coming and describing her fiscal catastrophe as the best thing since sliced bread. And there's so much of it and it never ends. And you thought it might end with Keir Starmer getting into Downing Street, but then Trump got into the White House and you just sort of have to occasionally catch yourself and think no I am I am holding on to the truth I'm not mad everybody else is so everybody else is mad June Slater and James O'Brien is completely sane

is that his sofa where did you get that sofa? Lonely? It's Paloma's faith sofa, I think. Wow. And she is mad. But who is Paloma Fedso, a singer? She's a singer, yeah. Somebody who works for LBC.

The wider world isn't listening to him. You know, it's LBC, it's a London thing, isn't it? Lots of Londoners will listenbc you know it's a london thing isn't it lots of londoners will listen lots of londoners are left wing but nobody's listening to him around ackerton they're not listening to james o'brien in burnley or um the northeast they couldn't give a monkey's what he thinks and it's typical cultural marxism isn't it like they're right we're wrong you can't you can't have a difference of opinion because unless you agree with them, you've got to be insulted.

I just think it's a bit bonkers. I don't even bother with him. You know, sometimes he pops up in my newsfeed. Someone will say, June, have you seen this? I go, no, I wouldn't want to see that. If I wanted to listen to a loony, I'd go and visit someone who was, you know, in need of some help and give them some support.

I don't need to listen to him get impaired to be lunatic. Lulani, just before I bring you in, I want to show you James O'Brien talking to Paloma Faith about morality and truth. Now, what's particularly interesting about that, Lulani, is it was James O'Brien, who you may remember for many years, led a campaign supporting a guy called Carl Beach. Now, Carl Beach tried to claim that a whole load of top politicians and very, very famous establishment folk had subjected him and many others to sexual abuse. Turns out, Carl Beach is actually one of the biggest fantasists,

oh, and a paedophile in British history. Yet, James O'Brien never apologised, yet he is lecturing us about morality and truth mattering. Watch. That people are even concerned with morality anymore. No. What do you think they're driven by? This is where you think you're going mad because you grow up thinking this stuff really matters, right?

It's drilled into you. And we raise our kids. We've both got two daughters yeah and you're raising them to say this is right do this this is right this is kind this is empathy all these truth matters you know even if even if you can't drill kindness into them don't lie i constantly say i don't like you fibbing and crucially if you do lie bad things will happen you know not not necessarily you'll be celebrated and rewarded yeah so so that that again is it is about basic morality the referee would blow his whistle and you'd go all right gov you broke the rules it's a fair cop you got me but now the referee blows the whistle and you you start claiming that you can only hear alternative whistles. Yet, Leilani, very often, James O'Brien is a prover, purveyor of mistruths.

Or shall I just say lies? Because let's be honest, when it comes to Carl Beach, he should never have worked in the media again. No, absolutely not. But here's a guy who at the start of the interview says that he doesn't care if he's wrong he will argue it anyway just to argue so the point everything he's saying is just null and void at the moment because he's just going to argue it if it's going to raise viewers get people worked up get people talking about him i don't think he cares he has no morals he

has no integrity if he can get his show a few more ratings and a few more viewers and a few more people listening in because he can argue with them about something that he doesn't even believe in himself but to do it just for his show then why is he even on there talking about reality and morals and as you said supporting somebody like carvel beach who completely lied about everything and he james for james o'brien not to even apologize or to mention it or say it's just hypocritical and that's the thing about lefties they are the biggest and the worst hypocrites and that's what they are they'll say one thing and they'll do something completely and utterly different they and they have they have no morals they don't care if they lies

you know Zara Sultana total lies about um about Nigel Farage I mean my Nigel's been pretty moderate even to the point where some of his own supporters are like Nigel you're not strong enough on this and you're not strong enough on that. And there's Zahra Sultana, who, by the way, I thought her Twitter account was a parody account for the longest time. She's having a go at him. If only it was.

Well, to be honest, when I was watching this Paloma Faith, James O'Brien interview, which is called something like bad mad and sad there were times where i honestly lilani believed that i was watching some type of scripted spoof like it gets increasingly bonkers right i've got to show you them discussing lions yeah and power and money increasingly on on x on twitter and the people who are falling for it who you think are more easily helped and then you worry that even by using the word helped you're sounding patronizing but people are frightened of things they don't need

to be frightened of it's not the fear itself that's the problem if if a if a lion if i turned up at your door five minutes ago and shouted there's a bloody lion coming up the high street and you ran for the hills that wouldn't make you stupid or anti-lion or racist or bigoted it would you could have been right and then 10 minutes later it turns out i'm lying and there's no lion at all you can come back in again so believing in that moment that the the people who are telling you to be frightened to be fearful that doesn't in and of itself make you a bad person it's when you've been provided with the evidence that there's nothing to be frightened of and you still perpetuate yeah then you become problematical and they're the people that i think are hardest perhaps to engage with

because you don't know how much of it is willful do we do it is the key then to find all those people who are, you know, you could sway and then dilute the situation and then leave those awful perpetuate. I think so. You mentioned all those awful perpetuators like us. Are you following June? I mean, if there's a lion coming up the street and she runs for the hills, just shut your front door, love.

It won't get in. It's as simple as that. What a drama queen. I mean, that didn't even make any sense. Do you have to take some sort of banned substance so you can, like, tune into him? Most people around the country are bothered about the kids going to football on Saturday and going to

some local club hoping that the kids can pass a ballet exam they're not interested in this these two making you know rubbing each other's back oh well exactly it's so right this is just typical London bollocks to me I'm afraid and James O'Brien, he's talking about people and doing the right thing. And I've got two daughters. I think you covered this once, Dan. He bumped into Richard Tice in a restaurant. And no matter what you think about Richard Tice, he's a very polite man. And he called him the C word.

Richard Tice said, oh, hello. They were with Magic Now What? Yeah. And he called him the C word. Oh, so isn't that how you're bringing your kids up? Exactly. What a great example you are to your daughters. But no, Jude, the thing is, if you disagree with James O'Brien politically,

then he is allowed to treat you like an absolute piece of dirt. You're really wise to bring that up, actually. But speaking of London bollocks, of course, this was all about therapy, right? And I'm a proponent of therapy if you want therapy, right? What I'm not a proponent of is doing that Prince Harry thing and telling everyone all about it. Because actually, when you just watch James O'Brien here, if you're like me, you'll think, oh God, this therapist is having a field day and actually is just making things a hell of a lot worse. Watch.

And just think, actually now I can do better. This is a really juvenile question. They're my favourite. Do you think that you're your therapist's favourite client? And if... I doubt it somehow. I feel seen. The ego.

How dare you? Because I sometimes sit there and think, I wonder if they like me. Well, I did write a book. I wrote a book about it, you see. My second book, How Not To Be Wrong, is essentially... And it was a lockdown book. So, you know, it came out when the bookshops were shut.

And it's a weird little... So my first book was politics and very successful my first book was was politics and very successful my latest book is politics and very successful this weird little middle book which was successful but not on the scale that the other two were largely because it came out in lockdown but I think also partly because it was so weird and personal and I don't think I'd have written it if we weren't in the middle of that space we were talking about earlier where you're on your own yeah and I was doing some therapy on zoom as well at the time which was a little bit different from doing it so and and and I and I credit her obliquely in the back and yeah I did sit back and think I bet

none of your other clients have been on a sofa in this little garden office in West London and I'm there partly just so I can go home and say, all right. I did it. So I'm sitting on this sofa and we're talking about whether or not, you know, we're going to work together. And so immediately my kind of arrogance kicks in. I said, what do you mean? I'm going to decide whether we work together or not.

You're not going to decide whether we work together. But she's like, well, you know, I can tell usually after one session whether I'm going to be any use to somebody. So we'll decide together towards the end. And she said, and if we do decide together, then at some point I'll ask you to talk directly to your younger self. And I might ask you, for example, to use a cushion as the, and I think she's nuts.

I'm sitting there thinking, I wish I was recording this or I'm going to get some material out of this for the radio show. Although my brain's whirring like that. But happily, she said, we will do. Oh, goodness me, make it stop. That's the best comment. Well, I wrote the book. Unfortunately, it came out when the bookshops were shut.

Is that what you say when you haven't sold many? That's why it was a flop, exactly. It's on Amazon with a free dishcloth. Leilani, isn't he a bit like the new Prince Harry? He's like the ugly Prince Harry. Like, just please, we know you're completely messed up, James O'Brien. We see it every single day. You don't need to tell us about your therapy sessions, mate.

No, honestly, I'm watching that and it looks like a bad trip or hallucination or something. It's absolutely crazy. And secondly, if I was that lion, I'd be going to her house, see the cushions and run for my life, nevermind anything else. So, you know, bad analogy, bad analogy. And I don't even know what they were trying

to put that analogy out to. But then, yeah, talking about therapy, I mean, that's something you keep to yourself, yeah, talking about therapy, I mean, that's something you keep to yourself, surely. We all know he's nuts. So, you know, you don't need to confirm it either. And she's the worst interviewer. Nobody got a nan these days.

You used to put your nan, didn't you, when you had a problem? It was me nan. Ring me nan. Nobody has a nan. They've all got a therapist. And I like the therapist because they normally look over your shoulder and go i'm conscious of the time we have left all right it's like the uh pound shop garg uh is it gab gabor or something when harry had to try and tell all his problems to him it's like you know let's talk about it to paloma faith like what in the world am i like

and and paloma is one of those women you just think just stick to singing because the moment you open your speaking voice it just turns me off i've actually been uh i did a podcast with her once in her house and she's a nice woman totally bonkers. But I had to just show you finally, guys, the moment, because this is just, this is truly mad. They are truly crazy on the left. Paloma Faith announces, just because she listens to James O'Brien on the radio, that she now believes he is the father that she never had.

...from the world of politics, news and entertainment. i've been on it he's an award winning presenter dealing calmly with a parade of opinionated callers every day on his lbc radio show or perhaps to you he's the man who savagely took down nigel farage live on air but to me he's the father i never had rational reasonableational, reasonable, fair, and more importantly, willing to work on his own failings. I actually wish more men were like him. It's James O'Brien. Blimey.

Thank you. You're welcome. I don't know what to say. It's true. Crikey. I hope I live up to that. I listen to you daily as if you may be my dad. I'm definitely not.

The least rational man in prison. Okay, we just have to laugh. They're bonkers. Both bonkers. Dan, I bet the reason they did it at Paloma Faith's place, I imagine him going back to that apartment like Serial Killer had in Seven. You know, writing all over walls. And it just has Boris Johnson in the middle,

Nigel Farage, little bit of Richard Tice there. He needs help. At least I think the podcast did establish one thing. James O'Brien is mad, bad and sad. But June Slater, Lalani Downing, don't go anywhere because in just one minute, this absolutely extraordinary story, you're going to have to hear it to believe it. The fake Maddie McCann has been arrested in the UK. I'll tell you why in just one minute. But first, do you know that sleeping less than six hours per night doubles the risk of early death? Poor sleep is also linked to obesity, heart disease,

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But now back to the show. Breaking right now, the Polish woman who found fame on Dr. Phil by claiming to be Madeleine McCann has been arrested on arrival to the UK on suspicions of stalking Maddie's parents, Kate and Jerry McCann. Now, this is an astonishing story because Julie Vandal, who is 23 years old, became an internet sensation in 2023, famous all around the world, after posting under an account name, Am I Madeleine McCann? Her representative, Surat Sinclair, has confirmed news of her arrest to LBC, saying, I'm trying to find out what's happened, but it appears Julia has been arrested at Bristol airport this evening, just after she got off the plane. The police have reportedly arrested her on an allegation of stalking and harassing the McCanns. Now, you may remember that Ms. Vandal very recently released a latest set of DNA test

results, which she claims shows she is biologically related to the toddler's father, Jerry McCann. She even claimed that an expert had compared her DNA to the crime scene following Madeline's disappearance. She also alleges that they compared eyes, teeth, and voice with the toddler who, remember, became an international story back in 2007 when she went missing from that holiday apartment in Praia de Luz, Portugal in May, aged just three years old, when her parents were just a few meters away having dinner with their friends. Now, whatever you think about the McCanns, it's probably fair to say that they shouldn't be hounded by someone who is effectively a fake version of their daughter. But according to this phone call released by Julia Vandal on Instagram, it does appear that she has now acquired Jerry McCann's number.

Listen to their exchange. Hello, who's speaking? Hello, I'm Julia. Can we talk, please? I don't want to disturb you. I just need to talk with you. You must have the wrong number. No, I know your voice, Jerry. And he hung up the phone. Now Julia, apparently arrested as a result of this claimed stalking and harassment of the McCanns. Let me bring back my superstar panel, the established political

commentator June Slater and social commentator Lalani Daudi. Now, Lalani, anytime you talk about the McCanns, it really does inspire very strong feelings in people either way. And of course, there is an international fascination to know what happened to Maddie McCann, to an extent where Julia Vandal actually appeared on the Dr. Phil show. She was given a major platform on websites like TMZ. Do you think it's correct that she has been arrested for so-called stalking of Kate and Jerry McCann? I think that if there was a chance that this was the McCann's daughter that of course those two people would want to explore every single part of it and the fact that they haven't and they say well look this is not my daughter says to me that she is probably she she must be a stalker.

And if she is stalking them, if she's got hold of the number, if she's got herself on a plane to England to go after them, then, you know, I do rightly think that she should at least be questioned about what she's doing and why she's there because, you know, any, I just take stalking or, you know, physically being around somebody a little more seriously than, you know, a social media post or something. June Slater, where do you stand on this one? well i do believe that it's such a high profile case that if there was any remote possibility that this girl was their daughter we'd know about it and kate and the you know jerry mcgann would welcome her with open arms there's obviously something gone on that we don't know about with this girl um for him to think oh no you know that phone call to me seemed like oh no it's her again and he got rid of her you wouldn't do that if you thought she was possibly your daughter and you wouldn't do that if you thought you were dodgy and you've made it all up and you just don't want anything to do with her

you just wouldn't handle it like that if that looked to me like somebody just wanted to get rid of a nuisance and that's what she appears to be I'm sure there's a test that you can have that would be irrefutable not just so her dad seems to be related that doesn't seem very um doesn't seem like 100% sure does it I think she could just be a nutcase who's seeking attention, who's prepared to go to a lot of trouble to do it. It's very tragic if it does turn out to be true, but I don't get the feeling, you know, when you read things like with Nurse Lucy Letby, I've got a feeling about it where I thought, this doesn't sound right.

It doesn't sound like she's done it to me. But with this, I'm not getting that feeling. Yeah, I mean, I guess what's so interesting with the mccann's lilani dowding is they have to try and lead a normal life now because madeline's siblings are adults and let's be honest it's a living hell for them whether you agree with what they did or not. I think most people can understand that it was the biggest mistake of their lives. However, they did seek the PR for a long time, Lulani,

and there's a lot of fury from some Brits that this missing person case has received millions upon millions of government and police funding when others haven't. So I guess the public feels that there is some right in this case for us to be let into the circle, whereas the McCanns lately have cut off the PR. They no longer give interviews. It feels like because of the arrest of the German man, that perhaps they have now accepted that they aren't going to get Maddie back. You know, I do think that's a very good point about how much money was spent on that case, because any mother or father of a missing child would obviously feel like, you know,

their case was given less than, far less than. And, you know, we've even seen it now with a young man that was in, that had gone to Spain, it turns out there could have been allegedly some kind of nefarious connections, and other people's missing kids didn't have that kind of press attention and people going out there. So, you know, I do think, and especially as a child was so young, there would be plenty of people and there are so many more missing children than we ever get to hear about. And so I can understand why and why those parents would be upset. I can then understand why, you know, we saw so much of it. I remember this case, you know, more than I remember anything else. So, you know, I would love to know the outcome and if somebody has been caught. And

I personally would love to find that she was still alive. But I think that the McCann family and even, you know, going as far as Maddie's siblings who are now older, they would want to know too. So I think that this is more than likely to be a stalker case than the real Maddie McCann. And as June said, there will definitely be tests that can prove it conclusively. Christian B remains the main suspect now in the potential murder of Madeleine McCann. £13.2 million, though, has been spent by Operation Grange, which is the specific Met Police

investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, let alone the amount of money spent by the Portugal police, who, let's the amount of money spent by the Portugal police, who, let's be honest, did seem to botch their early investigation because they very much wanted to pin the blame on the McCanns. June, where do you stand on the McCanns? Because as I say, any time I talk about this, it's one of those issues that very much divides people. Some say that they should receive absolutely no sympathy. Others believe actually they've been punished enough because of the loss of Madeleine McCann and they should just be left alone. Well, because of the way I do my blogging and I research stuff, I'm pretty good at finding fake news. And this is a particular topic that's filled with it photographs of madeline's mother smiling

with a bouquet of um daffodils saying that this was the week after she'd been missing stuff like that and then you work out the dates you wouldn't have daffodils the week after madeline had been missing it's the wrong time of year it's it's the stuff that people make up. People usually fuel their belief system by showing stuff that supports their thought process, and it's not always right. It's something I've kept away from. For me, I only have to look at that woman's face. You look at some pictures of Madeleine McCann's mother before it happened, and she was much fuller in the face that gaunt look wasn't there i think they've made a dreadful dreadful mistake that they'll never ever get over i don't understand the amount of publicity

and money that's been spent on it and i can't really believe it's just because they're middle class and he's a doctor she's a doctor kind of thing, and then the better off. I don't know why. It's a mystery. Because as Lalani said, there's lots of missing children, so many, and families just as heartbroken that never get any resolve. So I don't understand why this has been singled out, maybe because the circumstances were unusual.

I'm sure that they're living with it, aren't they? And I'm sure that when you've lost a child under any circumstances, it can't be good. I'm amazed how many women are quite miserable about it and quick to wear their blame. Things happen with kids that are beyond your control sometimes. This was within their control and they left them they took a risk perhaps a risk they've taken before and it's paid off to just go and have a meal across the road and it didn't it's tragic and it's awful to think what might have happened to that child terrible and to not know the end of it you know at least somebody who knows the death or the finality of such a case, they can move on.

They know what's happened. But this this is just like rumbled on for so many years. And I don't understand the excess publicity. I've never understood that. any anger towards the McCanns like so many people do because they did leave Madeline and their two twins in that apartment on their own while they went for dinner with their friends? No, I think I did at the start. You know, but as time goes on, you know, you just hear about there's so many other things and there's so many other missing children. You know, I think it was wrong, but I think at this point, you know, they have lost a child. I'm sure if that that person had any potential of being their missing kid, that they would have, you know, looked into it a little further. So I think, you know, as time's gone on, I do, you know, I do think that they made a mistake. And every day of their life, they probably feel guilt and just feel, you know, they know it was the biggest mistake they'd ever had.

I can't even imagine like, you know, I personally wouldn't, I can't imagine leaving my child. But I can't also imagine having that amount of guilt, which I'm sure they probably carry with them. Indeed, it is a fascinating story that has captivated international attention for so long. My view on this, I'm going to be very honest with you. They're serving a life sentence, right? They're serving a life sentence right i'm serving a life sentence and they've tried to do the best for their other children who of course did absolutely nothing wrong and must be absolutely traumatized by the fact they are the brother and sister of madeline mccann and i think june's right you's right. You saw Kate McCann age a decade overnight.

You know, they are living a life sentence. I guess my view on so-called fake Maddie is we do deserve to know the truth. We absolutely do deserve to know the truth. Let's rule it out 100% so that there can be no ongoing conspiracy in regards to this. But gosh, we've covered it all today. June Slater and Lalani Dowding, my superstar panel, thank you so much for being here today.

And we will speak very soon. But it's time now to reveal today's Union jackass and greatest Britain. We have been casting the vote on X today just to mix things up a little bit differently. And the three nominees are the Scottish Police for the Prayer Arrest and at Scots Brits said on this, I have to say the Scottish Government are further left than Labour, which is really saying something. Zahra Sultana for attacks on Reform UK and Reform Dylan posted about this. Zahra Sultana without question, while all involved committed unacceptable actions, Sultana's incitement of violence is particularly unforgivable.

And Meghan Markle for her copycat behaviour in terms of as ever. And at Los Nista said, does anyone think the Markle is relevant to anyone other than her kid? The results from X are now in. In third place, with 15% of the vote, Meghan Markle. In second place, with 25% of the vote, the Scottish police for that silent prayer arrest. But today's union jackass, as decided by outspoken viewers on X, Zahra Sultana for comparing Reform UK to the BNP and the National Front. Now you know what we do. We've got the four winners over the course of the week. I will, on YouTube, unveil the major poll to find the worst Britain in the world this week. Go and vote now. We get tens of thousands of votes every week and the winner will be announced tomorrow. The greatest Britain today, though, is a political party,

Reform UK, nominated by Darren Donaldson for democratising the party just like they promised. Now, coming up on the uncancelled after show on Substack, Gwyneth Paltrow turns on Meghan Markle by backing the brand the disastrous Duchess has ripped off for the launch of as ever the row that's dividing california with royal youtube sensation pdina is on substack so you can sign up there she is pdina's ready and raring to go www.outspoken.live join us there right now thank you so much for your company we are back tomorrow at 5 p.m uk time midday eastern 9 a.m pacific little note from me that if you are watching please hit subscribe turn on the notification bell that means a lot i promise to keep fighting for you and i hope to see you on for the after show in just We'll be right back.