Dan Wootton Outspoken - REFORM UK DESCENDS INTO CIVIL WAR OVER BY-ELECTION CHAOS AS ROBERT JENRICK & ZIA YUSUF FALL OUT

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

BREAKING TODAY: Reform UK descends into all out civil war as the party’s Makerfield by-election campaign collapses amid scandal surrounding its candidate Robert Kenyon and the surging support for Ru...pert Lowe’s true patriotic alternative Restore Britain. Now Nigel Farage's party is even attacking the local businesswoman Rebecca Shepherd who is driving Restore’s incredible campaign surge. Meanwhile, Reform’s candidate has gone to ground after an astonishing brawl over his former posts about that vile hypocrite Carol Vorderman. And in a fit of pique, Reform’s Robert Jenrick has now leaked private messages between him and Restore Britain’s Orla Minihane, as he publicly clashes with Zia Yusuf. Well Orla the Superstar Panel today for Outspoken's 500th episode along with some of our other favourites: Advance UK leader Ben Habib, who was with Dan for Outspoken episode one, but he was deputy of Reform UK back then, and Christine and Neil Hamilton. PLUS: Tommy Robinson reveals the police and Slippery Starmer’s government are behind a disgusting anti-free speech to cancel his Islam debate at Oxford University this week. AND: Royal wedding drama as Andrew’s daughters, the princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, are forced to pull out of Peter Phillips’ nuptials and Ascot after their dad faces a shocking new police probe about sex at the horse event which he attended with the now King and the late Queen. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin joins us to reveal the sickening stalking of Prince William that is behind Meghan Markle’s latest stunt. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Woodson. This is outspoken episode number 500. 500. I cannot believe it. I wasn't quite sure we'd ever make it to this point. But now I am convinced that thanks to your support of this independent media revolution, we are going to get to 5,000 to. And this is all down to you, spreading the word, getting us nearly half a billion views on YouTube alone. And we're going to celebrate with some of our favorites later in this show. But as as always, first to the news. And breaking today, Reform UK descends into all-out civil war as the parties make a field by-election campaign collapses amid scandal surrounding its candidate Robert Kenyon and the surging support for Rupert Lowe's true patriotic alternative, Restore Britain. So the illegal migrants arriving need to be detained and deported. And when Emily Maylor said to me,
Starting point is 00:00:57 you said they should be a deported to a mid-infested island officer, either England or Scotland, and let the midges do the rest. She said, did you say that? I said, yes, I did. Not surprisingly, the usual suspects are not handling it. Because there's a load of people running around, feeling full of self and bought,
Starting point is 00:01:17 ha, ha, ha, ha, got a cunning plan. Ooh, we're all the WhatsApp messages. Oh, which faction are you in? Oh, I'm in this faction, but I'm more than that faction. All of this nonsense. I mean, words can be water off a duck's bag, but, you know, when you see a photo of you, AI driven that you're dead in a wheelbarrow being pushed by Rupert Lowe.
Starting point is 00:01:36 She reminds me of sort of Rebecca Bardi stroke, Kowloon Rooney, running for office. Yes. I can't do anything now because I'm doing this. Okay, then. I can't tell you about the policy. I read the report, but it's quite in depth. Yeah, it's quite in depth. So as you saw there, that even attacking this local businesswoman,
Starting point is 00:01:52 Rebecca Shepard, who is driving Restore's incredible campaign surge. I'm just a normal person from Wiggin and I've got involved in politics a little bit by accident actually and I just want to do something about the situation in this country if I can if I can I'm sorry Not much needs to be said
Starting point is 00:02:13 I mean I wouldn't put that out I was going to say that speaks for itself but it really doesn't say anything Meanwhile reform's own candidate has gone to ground after an astonishing brawl over his former posts about that Vile hypocrite Carol Vorderman. Rob Kenyon is a misogynist, in my opinion,
Starting point is 00:02:35 and he's billed as this local plumber. No, he isn't. He's an online abuser. And I tell you what, if he was a local plumber in my area, I wouldn't let him through my front door. Once it's Reform said, they said, oh, he's just an ordinary man making ordinary comments. No, he isn't.
Starting point is 00:02:52 He's a disgusting little creep and doesn't deserve to be a member of Parliament. And reform have form in all of this. And now in a fit of pig, reforms Robert Jenrick has leaked private messages between him and restore Britain's Orla Minnie Hain as he publicly clashes with Zia Yusuf. So Ola joins me exclusively on the superstar panel today to respond and it's only appropriate that for our 500th episode,
Starting point is 00:03:26 she reacts alongside some of our other favourite superstars. Advanced UK Leader Ben Habib, he was with me for outspoken episode number one. Back then, of course, he was the deputy leader of Reform UK, how things have changed. And Christine and Neil Hamilton, they have been with me for this entire ride. What a line up with us for the entire show today.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Also coming up, Tommy Robinson reveals the police and slippery Starmer's government, are behind a disgusting anti-free speech campaign to cancel his Islam debate at Oxford University this week. We'll have the latest. And Royal Wedding Drama, as Andrews daughters, the princesses, Beatrice and Eugenie, are forced to pull out of Peter Phillips nuptials and Ascot after their dad faces a shocking new police probe about sex at the horse event, which he attended with the now king and the late queen. Then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show over on Substack, our Royal Mastermind, Angela 11, she was also with me, or episode one. So it's a
Starting point is 00:04:22 appropriate, she is here for episode 500 to reveal the sickening stalking of Prince William that is behind Megan Markle's latest stunt. We're also going to reveal a brand new Greatest Britain and Uni and Jackass to kick off the week. Nicola Sturgeon has been nominated by the Hamilton's, who say helmet-haired Sturgeon has become the Scottish version of faulty towers. I know nothing, Manuel, nothing about a 125,000 McCamperevan, nothing about 2,600 pounds sold. and pepper grinders, nothing about a £3,000 coffee machine. Did she think he was into cross-dressing, given that he even spent £240 pounds on women's umbrellas? Ben Habib has nominated Mark Carney for comparing a referendum on the independence of Alberta to Brexit and calling
Starting point is 00:05:13 it undemocratic. Ben says, how can a referendum be undemocratic? That's the problem with these morons. They think decisions in a democracy should be determined by them, not the people, and not surprisingly, Olimini Hayne, has nominated Robert Jenrick for leaking their private messages. So, this 500th show, thank you so much. Keep your votes coming in, keep your superchats coming and keep your comments coming, and you know I love them, I read them whenever I can, as we're going always, and I will read out some of the best at the end today. But now, let's go.
Starting point is 00:05:49 So Reform UK has descended into full-on public civil war as we come on air today, as Nigel Farage's party's campaign in Makerfield, the most important by-election in British history erupts in total chaos. So its candidate Robert Kenyon has been brutally exposed for everything from wanting to lick Carol Vorderman's bumhole to not voting for Brexit. But that's not behind today's feral infighting between the party's two biggest rivals to succeed Farage as leader, Zia Yusuf and Robert Generic, trust me they have. hate each other and they are now at each other's throats because of the surging Restore Britain vote that has seen the panic setting. So this all started, didn't it, from the Sunday Times poll over the
Starting point is 00:06:35 weekend showing a splitting of the right wing vote, leaving Andy Burnham guaranteed a victory to gain his seat in Makerfield potentially. But Restore Britain insists their vote share is indeed much, much higher. And even one Reform UK canvasser has admitted privately that Restore is already on 18% of the vote. But if you ask Restore is even higher with 24% of people in Makerfield telling their canvases they have their vote. Now the chaos has without any doubt boosted the chances of a burn and win in the seat with Polly Market, which is a live snapshot. I really trust it by the way because it's where traders think events may be heading, increasing the chances of an Andy Burnham win in the seat by 23% as a direct consequence.
Starting point is 00:07:24 of the war on the right. Now, of course, no market is guaranteed to be right. The numbers can move both ways, but as a way of tracking sentiment in real time, Polly Market is definitely an interesting place to watch. So immediately, you can imagine what happened. The calls came for restore to step down. It was started quite politely, actually, by my friend Calvin McKenzie, who argued grateful if Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe could put down their swords and pick up the phone. But of course, Rupert was having none of that, immediately posting it nor bent polling from an establishment that is desperate for Restore Britain to fail. Our data from far more voters evidences the fact that we are in the race.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Every day I see more evidence of the establishment closing ranks to shut Restore Britain out. They hate us. Watchers' argument. We appear to be coming under massive pressure from everybody, particularly within reform, them to stand down and give them a free run at Makerfield. Establishment polls from the times have come out, a relatively small pole. It's getting a bit old, probably ages about a week ago. It doesn't tally with our polling, which shows us having the most incredible support.
Starting point is 00:08:42 And I've been up there, I've met a lot of the people, I've been absolutely blown away by how excited they are that actually there is now an option for them to vote for. for and to campaign for, which they see has some sort of chance of delivering what I think most of us now want and need to see if Britain is to be restored. The key question, I think, is if you look at what people are saying, this vote splitting, this, oh, you're going to let Andy Burnham in, I think you have to look at what the Labour Party is, of what Keir Starrmer is, of what Andy Burnham is and what an entire front bench are. What they are is a deeply malign Labour Party
Starting point is 00:09:28 who has presided over a Fabian agenda, the emblem of which is a wolf in sheep's clothing, which has been designed to undermine the Britain that certainly I know and love, and it has created this welfare situation, which is just unsustainable. So I don't see there's any difference whether Burnham gets in, whether he doesn't get in, whether Stama remains, whether he doesn't remain, whether West Streeting gets in, they're all the same. But as Rebecca Shepard captures the attention of Makerfield locals, the aggressive nastiness from reformed UK trolls and the establishment right in their pocket grows ever louder.
Starting point is 00:10:14 You have to adopt the as you I adopt in Parliament, which is. The three key words are, I don't care. Stop being so lily-libered. You don't have to worry about it. It's rubbish. It's a way of oppressing you, and you just have to ignore it. So the illegal migrants arriving need to be detained and deported. And when Emily Mayter said to me, you said they should be deported to a midge infested island offshore, either England or Scotland, and let the midges do the rest.
Starting point is 00:10:46 She said, did you say that? I said, yes, I did. So the people living here illegally need to be detained and deported. It's all in our document. The 10.5,000 foreign criminals in our prisons need to be deported. If you come and live in this country and you commit a crime, you get deported. It should be that simple. Now, what on earth are they upset about there? Well, they argued this moment, which I'm just going to hone in on,
Starting point is 00:11:14 showed some type of split between Rebecca and Rupert. You said they should be deported to a midge infested island offshore, either England or Scotland, and let the midges do the rest. She said, did you say that? I said, yes, I did. But in an interview with the independent journalist Will Coleshill in the constituency, Rebecca insisted that ain't the case. I'm just a normal person from Wiggin, and I've got involved in politics a little bit by accident, actually. and I just want to do something about the situation in this country if I can, if I can be any help with that.
Starting point is 00:11:51 I know that everybody in this country seems to be a little bit disillusions and ready for a change. And yeah, I just put myself forward for it just to try and do the best that I can. And this whole by-election sort of come about because Andy Burnham seems to be trying to become Prime Minister. He's got an MP to resign, which is your MP for him. here. So your MP's just quit and this is costing, what, millions probably, to run this election. What do you think of your MP quitting and costing you millions? I mean, yeah, I feel like he's being, well, we are being used as a pawn in their game of chess, you know, just to further their own agenda. They've all got a political agenda. You know, I thought we were
Starting point is 00:12:38 supposed to be cutting spending. So why would you do that? It kind of makes a mockery of bureaucracy. doesn't it, if you think about it? Because he's been parachuted in with no thought that he's ever going to stay. He's going to go for the PM job. And I think we all know that. So, yeah, it just feels a little bit staged and a little bit, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:58 underhand. That's how I feel. And are you worried that if Labour did get in, not that I'm saying they're likely to, but if they did get in, that he'd be sort of down in Downing Street rather than not here? Yeah, he would. He wouldn't be hands-on. He wouldn't be amongst the people. You know, I live around here. I live in Wiggin'
Starting point is 00:13:14 And I would consider myself an employee of the people of Makefield if they voted me in. I don't think he would. And she is certainly not positioning herself to launch brutal attacks on other candidates, which I actually think will get a lot of respect from locals in Wigan and Lee. There are other candidates running. I spoke to the Tory candidate the other day. And he said that, Kemi's got a plan. We have to trust the plan, but the plan's apparently not coming out.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Well, or he doesn't know what the plan is. I'm always supposed to know what the plan is then. I don't know. They don't even know. She's got a plan. What do you make of the other parties that are running here in this election? I'm not going to say anything bad about any of them. I'm sure they're all fabulous people, you know.
Starting point is 00:13:57 And all I can concentrate on for me is the people of McEfield. That's all I care about. And their local issues. I'm sure they're all absolutely brilliant people. But I would say that there seems to be some furthering of, own careers going on and professional politicians trying to further their own political agenda. And I'm not that person. I'm not even a politician.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I've never said that I am. You know, I think this, I think people need someone real now, rather than these parachute people coming, you know, people parachuting into power just to further their own agendas. And so Rupert was down here? Rupert was down here. Tell me about Rupert coming down here, you meeting Rupert. Oh, he's amazing. He is absolutely amazing. Yeah, we walked the streets of Makerfield and he was mobbed everywhere
Starting point is 00:14:50 we went. People were hanging out of windows going, Rupert, save us. And we were going, we're trying. You know, it was really, he got a brilliant, brilliant response. Now, look, I thought it was really important for me to show you quite a decent chunk of that interview because I want that woman in Parliament, right? She seems like you? Absolutely. Not a professional politician. That is what we want, and I thought that was a very, very good display. But reformed supporters are getting so desperate that they tried to turn that interview into an attack line. Now, two people who I usually like and respect to Lot, Mike Graham and Emma Wolfe, actually use that interview that I have just played you to, I think, be incredibly elitist and compared Rebecca to Rebecca Vadi and
Starting point is 00:15:41 Colleen Rooney. Watch. I mean, I'm sorry. Not much needs to be said. I mean, I wouldn't put that out. I was going to say, that speaks for itself, but it really doesn't say anything. No.
Starting point is 00:15:56 She reminds me of sort of Rebecca Bardi-stroke, Colin Rooney, running for office. Yes. I can't do anything now because I'm doing this. Okay, then. I can't tell you about the policy. I read the report, but it's quite in depth. Yeah, it's quite in-depth.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I can't tell you which policy paper I read. It was on Facebook. Right. You know, listen, it's not for me to be disparaging about local MPs, but it just seems to me that that is not somebody that you would vote for. I mean, were they watching the same interview that I was? And unfortunately, what we're seeing is a reform meltdown. And as the temperatures have risen to record levels here in the United Kingdom,
Starting point is 00:16:33 so has the total fiery displays turning on Restore Britain by senior reform UK figures. So of course we had Leila Cunningham. The Muslim London Merrill candidate for the party deciding to play a predictable game of painting Restore Britain as a bunch of racists on talk TV. Watch.
Starting point is 00:16:59 I've got people from Restore posting memes of me dead being pushed by Rupert Lowe and a wheelbarrow saying deport her. Wow. Yeah. I've got people from Restore who send me the most horrific. And I don't see Rupert Lowe condemning that.
Starting point is 00:17:18 So I'm not sure exactly what their policy platform is because it doesn't seem to marry. How do you feel as a politician to say, I mean, I know what it's like as a radio presenter when somebody just happens to disagree with your views on welfare or something, you know, that somebody wants to burn your house down and hope your family die? I've seen all of that over the years. when it's as personal, also when you're female, I wouldn't ever normally play or highlight a divide in gender on these points, but it is relevant that I think when somebody is, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:51 threatening sexual abuse and violence and that kind of stuff. I mean, is it water off a duck's back or do you find that, do you find that disturbing to the point that it's upsetting? I mean, words can be water off a duck's bag, but, you know, when you see a photo of you, AI driven that you're dead, in a wheelbarrow being pushed by Rupert Lowe. Someone, you know what I can't get about that.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And you know what was really disturbing is, I kind of know if my mum saw it somehow. Yeah. He was super traumatised. Spare me the victim X, sweetheart. You were the one that called me far right and called Charlie Downs and restored Britain a neo-Nazi. But what you're seeing is the panic sitting in.
Starting point is 00:18:33 The panic is sitting in because the plan that talk TV and G.B. News and The Spectator and Reform UK thought was not going to be interrupted, is not working out. And so Alex Phillips, afraid of mine, but my God, my God, she's literally having an on-eam meltdown. Constant messing about parlour games instead of making policy and doing what's right for the country. And this venal, vane glorious, vile game playing that goes on and on and on. every single time because there's a load of people running around feeling full of self-important ha ha ha ha ha I got a cunning plan oh little all the WhatsApp messages oh which faction are you in oh I'm in this faction but I'm more than that fact actually all of this nonsense running around
Starting point is 00:19:22 thinking they're in like a dramatization of the West Wing well Rome burns yeah and I'm fed up with it I'm fed up with a lot of them I'm angry as anything this morning because all of these people who are doing it for their egos and their sense of self-importance and they're five minutes of fame or they're feeling powerful. Ha ha, my little plot worked. All of those people who sit there getting a kick out of scheming, manipulating, gaslighting. All of those people are the reason why this country
Starting point is 00:19:56 is heading down a sinkhole at a rate of knots. Speaking of gaslighting, Alex, who was very close to Nigel Farage, then made this bizarre threat to restore Britain. When the truth comes out, all the people currently slamming me for my criticism of Restore will see. I have an article laying out the truth ready to go. But my hope is that I don't have to publish it, that the real story will be revealed, meaning it's not dependent upon me to do it. Why? What would be the point? Lowe fanatics won't believe me. Many seem scarily unpleasant. I will get abused, as I have
Starting point is 00:20:27 already experienced from his sycophans. And Lowe himself is a millionaire litigious bully. But I know the truth. I know what went on. I know what is going on. And I am confident soon you will too. Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin can't even get it out of her head the threat that Restore Britain poses to reform in this by-election that she made a spectacular Freudian slip live on air. Yeah, there's so much going on with this by-election. It is without doubt probably the most important by-election in British history,
Starting point is 00:21:06 almost, that we're part of. And yes, it is a two horse race between restore, sorry, oh God, between reform. I'll be sacked for saying that. There's a lot of ours in this. Should we sack for saying that? Actually, she's probably not joking. She's probably not joking. Look, the problem is that the people on the ground in making field aren't interested in this reform, meltdown this reform psychodrama. They just want a party that is going to genuinely save this country, as Basil the Great put it. A lady in Makerfield says what is happening everywhere. Reform betrayed, millions restored. Britain is the only way to save our people. He then linked to this video. I don't think he is. I don't think he is saying you're like going to split the vote,
Starting point is 00:21:51 which is rubbish. I think these are going to win the vote. Because the people keep saying, if you'd have been here, they'll vote you rather than reform. Yeah. And Frank Wright went viral internationally for this interview with the brilliant Will Coles Hill explaining why this This national emergency, we all know we're in, means he just has to back restore Britain. So what has persuaded you to come out today? Well, we've driven up my son and I from Newbury, because obviously we can see the state of the nation and there's a national emergency. And we need to obviously think about the future. What kind of country we're going to have for our children?
Starting point is 00:22:32 Or are we going to have a nation at all? Now, I'd rather live in a nation and not a market, not a borderless international supermarket browsed by mutually hostile strangers, not something that reduces us all to bargain hunters. We need to save the nation, and I think that Rupert Loads to restore Britain is the only credible vehicle to do that.
Starting point is 00:22:51 What a man. He articulately summed up how the current policies by our elite classes are just destroying us. By looking at a state where you're going to live in a borderless, international bazaar, a placelessness, if you like, an international nowhere land, where nothing means anything, nowhere seems like home, and where the essential value of human life is replaced with price, such as we see in awful things like surrogacy or zero-hours contracts, or the increasing
Starting point is 00:23:23 degradation of, if you what you call a work-life balance. Finally, how many people actually do work. How many people are now dependent on the state directly or indirectly to the point where those people exceed the ability of the nation to actually make money? This is an economic doom spiral. And so the more that you look at the problem, the more you realize that really we are facing a national emergency. Now here's what's great. You don't need the mainstream media in this campaign. It was actually Elon Musk, whose support for Restore Britain remains uncompromising and strong, who propelled that video. I think it's been seen. by, you know, over 100 million people.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And when this picture of a British boy refusing to join Islam's prayers went viral, end-wotness posted more guts than any politician in the UK. But Elon went viral again for adding, except for Rupert Lowe. Now, I have warned Reform UK for well over a year now, that their rejection of patriots, their arrogant categorisation of Tommy Robinson supporters as that lot, their reporting of Rupert Lowe to the police, their refusal to engage in growing independent shows like this one, and their constant desire to appeal to leftists and the MSM will harm them.
Starting point is 00:24:42 But it's like they only just realized at the weekend that this is actually happening. And the coordinated response was quite something to watch. So it kicked off with Reform UK officially posting on X. And remember, they haven't ever spoken about Rupert and Restore. Vote Restore, get Burnham. As Kyle Benjamin responded, they ignored us, then they mocked us, now they're fighting us. We are going to win. Remember that reform stabbed Rupert Lowe their own MP in the back because he wanted to deport
Starting point is 00:25:09 the people responsible for the Pakistani rape gangs, and Nigel Farage thought that was just too extreme. But Matt Goodwin added, what do any Burnham and Rupert Lowe have in common? They are both in this for their egos, not the country. They are both in this because they hate somebody else. Burnham hates Stama, low hates Farage. Neither genuinely care about Britain, vote reform. Rayall Braverman even claimed Gorton and Denton destroyed Advance UK. Makerfield will destroy Restore. We are already repenting. Time to vote, restore.
Starting point is 00:25:44 That wasn't him, by the way. That was one of the replies. Even Tories like Jacob Rees-Mogg have got involved, adding if you want Andy Burnham to be Prime Minister, vote restore. So too did reform a line G. be new supporters like Dr Renee Holdencamp, who argued restore voters will hand this to Labor and destroy the country. But as Steve Lottes responded, imagine if Nigel hadn't slanded Lowe and made up several accusations about him because Lowe didn't yield him. It would be his fault, right? Lowe owes him less than nothing. There were even threats of violence, though, from reform supporters with Rishin and Oak posting,
Starting point is 00:26:19 if Rupert Lowe doesn't pull out, there's a lot of hate coming his way. Real hate. Not the kind the left talks about, the kind evoked. by traitors. And Basil the Great responded, reform cultists are just like leftists, entitled, bitter, revisionists. Forget everything that has happened up to this point. Forget what reform did to Lowe. Forget how they betrayed us all. F off. But I think Reform UK leaders really know something is happening out there in the UK. And they are panicking. And that is what led to this incredibly awkward Exchange, live on sly news between Robert Jenric, a panicked Robert Jenric, and Trevor Phillips.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Watch. Maybe you need to go further, as proposed by your former colleagues in Restore. Here's what they want. Let me show you what they're saying. They're saying that if a legally resident foreign national, and by the way, legally residents, quite important here, foreign national, if they can't do any of these things, speak English, They live in social housing. Out they go.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Are you attracted to any of these policies? Well, most of those are reformed policy, have been reformed policy long before this party ever existed. Is it actually reform policy to deport someone who is legally resident but lives in social housing? Well, what we're saying in some cases, because what we're saying is that we're going to abolish ILR and make a much longer path to British citizenship.
Starting point is 00:27:50 and so instead of having this baked in guarantee to remain in our country... Current government's going to do that. It's not abolishing ILR. It's making a somewhat longer path to British citizenship. Under our policy, you'll have to keep applying. If you've got a job, if you meet the criteria, then you can stay in the country
Starting point is 00:28:08 and you can work your way to being a British citizen. But let me just finish this point. But if you don't, then you will have to leave. Are you saying to me that someone, a foreign person, who is legally resident, but lives in social housing will be deported under a reform government just because of that.
Starting point is 00:28:27 They live in social housing. Well, not exclusively because of that. Well, that's what... You just said that's what you agreed with. If they fail to meet our criteria because they're not in work or they're not working as many hours, not earning enough money,
Starting point is 00:28:40 then they won't be able to renew their work visa because ILR won't exist and they'll be asked to leave. So you don't agree with all of the restores policies. You don't agree with all of the restores policies. social housing, under a reform government, let me very clear about this, social housing will be purely for British citizens. So you'll never be able to access social housing unless you're a Brit. A clear is mud, right? Well, the backlash was immediate. From Basil the Great, Robert Jenrick
Starting point is 00:29:05 admits reform UK will not deport foreign nationals living in social housing. Elon Musk added, Restore Britain. And Rupert Lowe replied clearly, Restore Britain will deport the thousands and thousands of third world rapers, sex pests and scumbags that reforms Robert Jenrick imported as immigration minister. Restore party spokesman Charlie Downs added slippery Robert Jenric can't answer whether a reform government would deport foreign nationals occupying social housing. Why? They have no reason to be here. They are leechy. Off of honest British taxpayers, Restore Britain would send them packing. And then comes the explosion. Because Zia Yusuf went public, continuing his behind-the-scenes feud with Generic and exposing the reform civil war,
Starting point is 00:29:50 something Nigel Farage has previously said will get party members sacked. He posted, Robert's answer is not reform policy. As the person responsible for our deportation plan, I want to ensure people know where we stand. If a foreign national lives in social housing at taxpayer expense, they automatically fail our economic test and will be to be. deported. So there we go. This has all ended up disastrously for Reform UK. Their candidate is collapsing and now their most senior figures are publicly at war. The mail's Labour columnist Dan Hodges, who has had to seriously backtrack on the success of Restore Britain, has been following the
Starting point is 00:30:35 Civil War all weekend, revealing it will significantly boost support for Restore Britain. He wrote, this is the other thing that will happen now. Reforms attacks, as I say, will drive up Restore's profile. As a result, pollsters will begin prompting for Restore in national polls. This will in turn steadily drive up Restore's national poll share, and the whole cycle will repeat. Just to add to the chaos, I'm now being told by multiple sources from different parties that Canvas returns for Makerfield Show restore significantly outperforming the 7% revealed in the Times poll. I suspect that's what's underpinning the current reform meltdown. Okay, I know I'll get Savage again, but if you look at Nigel Farage's attack on Musk,
Starting point is 00:31:14 Danny Kruger's comments about his own Makerfield candidate and Matt Goodwin's tweets, it's pretty clear, Reform are currently experiencing some sort of mini-nervous breakdown. Conservative commentator Bennett expense concurred, adding it is a bad idea for Reform to Attack Restore, as it being Rupert Lowe's Vanity Project. It's no secret how it came to exist.
Starting point is 00:31:38 It's gaining support for a reason. those voters won't be won over by those kind of attacks, if anything, they'll likely double down. And let's be honest, there's also an issue isn't there with Reforms candidate Robert Kenyon. He has gone to ground after an astonishing brawl over his former post about that vile hypocrite Carol Vorderman and claims that he never actually voted for Brexit. Reform UK's candidate is local councillor and plumber Robert Kenyon. He's yet to give any interviews, but this week he wiped his social media profiles and has been accused of posting homophobic and sexist messages. A Reform UK spokesperson told us, we fully back Councillor Kenyon.
Starting point is 00:32:24 He'll be a straight-talking, effective voice for normal working people in Makerfield, they told us. We asked Reform UK if we could speak to Robert Kenyon today. They said he wasn't available. Indeed, the only interview he had done until earlier was one film. in a van with Nigel Farage his leader. Everyone's petrified of going out and letting your kids out and it should be like that. We shouldn't have to live like this. Well, you're scared of letting your kids out.
Starting point is 00:32:53 And it's horrific. It's horrific. There should be enough police. These areas have basically been labour since the end of World War. Yeah. Generation after generation after generation. Labour have taken for granted because they've always thought it's a safe job. If you get a job as an MP and work,
Starting point is 00:33:10 It's a job for life, it's a job in country. And now those safe seats are massively under threat. People who say politicians are all the same or they promise you all sorts of and never deliver. Now they are keeping him away from the MSM after it was revealed that Kenyan previously claimed women can't drive and get abortions for vanity, abortions, excuse me, for vanity purposes to shag anyone they want. He admitted I'm sexist, sorry, but I am. But it's not just the MSM or establishment. as Rupert Lowe has now taken aim at Kenyon.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Not for those posts, though, really, but rather because he is a remainder, writing The Times is reporting that reforms make a field candidate didn't vote for Brexit and supported EU open borders mass immigration. This is insanity. Kenyon responded, I used to respect you, Rupert.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Restore have never wanted anything to do with this area, but now someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth that's trying to lie about the only working-class local man in the race. I want net negative immigration. Now, it's very dodgy this one because we only know that Kenyon didn't vote for the leaving, didn't vote to leave the EU, didn't vote for Brexit because he posted it himself on his now deleted account. Reform UK are today saying, no, no, no, he did vote for Brexit, which just feels like a lie,
Starting point is 00:34:33 to be honest. And it is very intriguing that the former Brexit party would go with a case. candidate in this race, a candidate who, by the way, I have really liked, but at that stage, I had no idea he had voted for a main. That is just a bottom line thing for me. It's really shocking. Now, Reform UK's dirty tricks have got more revolting too today with Robert Jenrick leaking private messages he exchanged with Restores Spokes spokeswoman for the safety of women and children all a mini-hane. She says the leak is further proof that Generic can't. not be trusted and that reform are intent on damaging a women's reputation who is committed to
Starting point is 00:35:13 the safety of women and girls watch. I absolutely email, in confidence, contacted Robert Jenrick, as I did with four other MPs and asked them to back me and help me become an MP so that I could then write to policy and drive through the change that is so desperately needed in this country. today, three weeks before a major by-election, Robert Jenrick, who is standing to be the potential chancellor of this country, has leaked a personal message that I sent him. I just want to put this out there. Do you think that a man who is a standing MP who wants to be part of a future cabinet of this country has a right to leak a personal message from a mother in Essex. Why would you do that? I just want you to be very, very clear about the people that you think reform are, because if he can do
Starting point is 00:36:18 that with a personal message from me to him asking him to help me write a policy for the safety of women and children in this country and he can use that for political game, what is he going to be like as a Chancellor and what a reform can be like as a government. Rupert Lowe has also stood by Orla today. Posting Ola's Little Finger has done more for women's safety than the great Afghan importer himself, Robert Jenrick. How many gleeful medieval participants of his national project to import thousands of Afghan Muslim men into our communities have gone on to assault British women. And to respond, I'm delighted Alla Mini Hain joins us on the superstar panel for the 500th episode about spoken today, alongside Advance UK leader Ben Habib and the brilliant husband and wife political duo, Christine and Neil Hamilton.
Starting point is 00:37:17 So Alla Miniehain, my God, you would think the bank holiday weekend, given how hot the temperatures are outside, the sizzling political rivalry between Restore Britain and Reform UK might have cool. down a little bit, but quite the opposite. And do you believe the leaking of your messages is part of this overall attempt to try and discredit restore, given your surging poll ratings in Makerfield? Yeah, I mean, it's like EastEnders, but so much better. It's like a political EastEnders. I mean, I just find it absolutely bizarre, Dan. So I'm, yesterday, I was in Dover because I was with some of the pink ladies because we're doing a big protest down there on the 4th of July. We went down to look at the surrounding areas and we watched hundreds of men coming in on dinghies. It was absolutely
Starting point is 00:38:15 bizarre. And right in the middle of this, Basil, the great, texts me and says, Robert Jenricks just leaked to a message. And I said, what? What do you mean? And I couldn't, I was completely taken aback. And then I remembered in February. Now, this. was before Restore even became a party. This was before, this is when I was a candidate, I was a branch chair, I was doing, you know, all the pink lady's staff and I was all, I spent the last year promoting the fact that these memory in hotels and what was happening in this country. And when Robert Jenrick became an MP, became an MP and defected to restore, and to reform, sorry, I contacted him and said, hi, my name's Orla, I'm a candidate, I'm a mum.
Starting point is 00:39:03 You know, you came to the Bell Hotel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I've just applied to be an MP. I really, really would love your help as somebody that has just joined reformed to help me push through a policy for women and children. Now, women and girls particularly. Now, I had contacted everybody, Dan, everybody, Tice, Nigel himself, Zia. I've got the emails saying to them, you're doing these policies on pubs, you're doing policies on everything, but you're not doing anything about this epidemic of rape in our country. Why not? Zero. No engagement. So I went to him and said, Robert, can you help me? You know, you've just come over. This could be a
Starting point is 00:39:45 really good thing for you. He wrote back something, just palmed me off. That was it. So why now, randomly, three months later, three weeks before a major by-election, would you then get Jack Anderton to leak that message. Now, Jack Anderton is Nigel Farage's social media guy. Why? Why would you do that if there wasn't an underlying reason for you to do that? And the only thing, I'm a nobody. I'm not an elected councillor.
Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm not an MP. I'm just a woman who has joined to restore because I believe in Rupert and I believe in the party and I believe in everything they stand for. Why would you come after me if it isn't to do? damage, restore at this time. There is no other reason. It does feel like this is coming from the top of the party because Isabel Oakshot, who is the wife of Reform UK's deputy leader,
Starting point is 00:40:46 Richard Tice, suggested today in a series of posts on X that you didn't pass Reform UK vetting. She said, just asking, you responded, hey, Isabel, you tell me. as you seem to know an awful lot. I have spent 30 years working at some of the world's most prestigious Futsi 100 companies. I have the highest level of screening and vetting. How petty you are, you come online and try and out me in some way. What is the matter with you people? You are engaged to an MP who is apparently going to be in the reform cabinet and you come after a woman who isn't even an elected official the day after Robert Jenrick did while you are pathetic. She then wasn't having it. She went on to say, did you pass vetting? And you, you're going to.
Starting point is 00:41:30 You have now, Ola, I believe, submitted a subject access request to try and find out. But can we just be clear here? Have you ever been told by Reform UK that you failed any form of vetting? Christine, these guys, Christine and Ben and these guys are sitting and thinking I'm an absolute lunatic. And do you know what? Yes, I am a bit of a lunatic. But do you know what? I will not have my name dragged through the mud with zero evidence.
Starting point is 00:41:59 It's outrageous. I was a chair, I was a vice chair in a branch. I was, they rang me before the elections to stand and start a branch in a wolf and forest, which is East London. I was a candidate. I was on GB News and Talk TV every week. So if I didn't pass the vetting, they were taking a bit of a risk, letting me have all this, you know, all this exposure. So at not one point, did anyone say to me, all you have not passed vetting? So all I can imagine is that they'll come up with some absolutely ridiculous thing now about social media or I'm too right wing or some absolute nonsense.
Starting point is 00:42:40 So I thought, OK, I'm going to do an application today or I'm going to email them and I'm going to see what they've got. They've got 15 days to come back to me. Let's see what they've got on record. And then I will publish that. And if they've got something on me, fine. That, you know, they should have made me aware. I guarantee you they haven't. I think Neil Hamilton and Ben Habib, know quite a lot about these types of Nigel Farage dirty tricks. Ben Habib, this is really
Starting point is 00:43:07 gutter-level stuff. Reform UK just seems to be going into total mountdown. It is. And we've seen this before, of course, when I was deputy leader of reform. We broke the barriers, the glass ceiling above reform when the Tories started attacking us. When the Tories suddenly came out from behind their bushels where they'd been, you know, cowering from the emergence of reform. When they came out and they started attacking us, we knew that they were going to actually propagate us even further. And I'm very surprised that Farage is allowing this to happen because he knows that all these attacks, and particularly Isabel Oakshot, she's a seasoned hand. Her attacks on O'Ala are just going to make Ola front and center. The attacks on Rebecca Shepard are going to
Starting point is 00:43:58 diminish Kenyan. They're not going to advance a reforms case. They're going to actually push Restore. And I'll make a prediction now. The way they're handling this by-election, Restore's going to get more votes than reform is. And that's going to... It's going to happen. I can see it now. In this, you think in this, in the Makerfield by-election next month, you think Restore will out-pull reform.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Yeah. Kenyon said a lot of things that I wouldn't say. Whether he's a misogynist or not a sexist or whatever, these are things I wouldn't say he may or may not be them. But the one thing that is, two things that are going to go against Kenyon. The first is that he voted for Remain in 2016. Appalling. There's no, utterly appalling. There's no coming back from that in a constituency that voted 65% to leave the EU. And Restore is going to hammer it. And then the second thing that's going to, from the local perspective that's going to put Restore ahead of reform is that Kenyon isn't prepared to do an interview. He's not coming out
Starting point is 00:44:58 from he's cowering while the big guns are attacking restored. This is all classic behavior that's actually going to result in restore getting more votes. And all are and the restore team should welcome all of this. They should be looking at this going, great, we've won. We've won. Neil Hamilton, do you agree? Well, it's a textbook example of how to turn a mini crisis into a real crisis, isn't it? It's obvious what the reaction of people who are going to be attacked person who will be.
Starting point is 00:45:28 and the public at large to just repelled by this kind of behaviour of of course squabbling westminster politicians are what reform was supposed to be utterly against exactly and so here they are the other lesson they should have learned long since is that if you are taking your opponent seriously the public will take them seriously yeah absolutely instead of ignoring it or playing it down that of course they put the centerpiece of the whole campaign now about the store. I mean, Rupert Lowe must be rubbing his hands with absolutely. Well, I think he is. And the thing is, Christine, for such a long time, Nigel Farage has said, oh, we can have disagreements, but we have to do them behind closed doors.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Well, what's he going to do about Zia Yusuf declaring war on Robert Jenrick today? And we know these two hate each other. We know there's been the civil war behind the scenes for months and months and months, but now it's spilled out in public less than four weeks before the most important by-election in history. It really does feel today like Reform UK are on the ropes. Well, it's deeply, deeply damaging for reform, all this squabbling. They're supposed to be, as somebody said just now, they're supposed to be higher than all this. They're supposed to be above dirty, filthy politics, you know. They're no better than the rest. And some of us, well, in fact, all of us on this panel have a certain amount of experience of the way Nigel Farrell
Starting point is 00:46:52 operates and it's coming back to bite him. I mean, he didn't have to kick Rupert Lowe out of reform. I have to be careful now. I'll fall into the trap of reform. You're going to do the Sarah Pochin mistake. I know. He didn't have to kick Rupert low out and Rupert quite understandably is now treading his own path and he you know he cast his he cast Rupert out onto the waters and it's come back not just with butter and jam on but you know red hot chilies. So he's asked for it but you're absolutely right. When I was first starting out in politics, which he's in the very early, well, 1970. The one lesson you were told was never mention your opponent by name.
Starting point is 00:47:31 He is my opponent or he's the Labour candidate or he, but you never mention his name. Don't give him any publicity or her. And they're playing into Rupert's hands. It's quite, you know, I now, I mean this. I am basically an ordinary member of the general public where all this is concerned. I'm not manically into politics any longer.
Starting point is 00:47:51 and I'm really astonished at the way this is panning out, but how much of it is being taken in by the voters in Makerfield? I don't know. I mean, it will go over the heads of an awful lot of them, of course. But I do find the behaviour of the reform candidate quite extraordinary, and I think we're coming on to it later, but his remarks about Carol Vorderman are absolutely disgusting. And anybody who can say that when he's an adult, he was 20-something,
Starting point is 00:48:21 should not in a million years be standing for Parliament. I mean, anybody who thinks that that is the acceptable thing to say on social media rules himself out, as far as I'm concerned. I was completely horrified when I saw that. I don't think I've answered your question. I've forgotten what it was. No, but Christine, you always just take it, take my little prompt, and you run with it, and that's why we love you on the 500th episode.
Starting point is 00:48:47 By the way, I just sent our little trailer, which I'm going to be playing later, Rupert Lowe, and he has just responded saying, having been totally ignored, we are now under attack from the mainstream media reform is getting insecure, and it's interesting, isn't it? It's like for a long time they have tried to ignore this revolution, but now it's coming for them. And they can't, because the numbers do not lie. Spare me the Histrionics Carol Vorderman. I completely understand. understand the anger in regards to Robert Kenyon's comment. I get that and we will come to that.
Starting point is 00:49:29 But for Carol Vorderman to all of a sudden play Little Miss outraged, when this is a woman who has spent years boasting about the fact that she shags multiple men at the same time, has even recently launched a campaign called Milf. You know, milf, what that stands for, for. mothers I'd like to... So I'm sorry, all of a sudden, attempting to be little Miss innocent isn't going to work for me. This is as a result of Robert Kenyon,
Starting point is 00:50:06 the Reform UK candidate, making some quite uncouth comment about wanting to smell Ms. Vorderman's bombhole. Watch. I've been contacted today by a number of national newspapers concerning the comments that Rob Kenyon reforms candidate in Makerfield to stand against Andy Burnham has been making about me. They're disgusting comments. Rob Kenyon is a misogynist, in my opinion, and he's billed as this local plumber.
Starting point is 00:50:45 No, he isn't. He's an online abuser. And I tell you what, if he was a local plumber in my area, I wouldn't let him through my front door. Okay, so what we're saying here is that Vorderman has absolutely no trouble with lefties like her being sexually explicit, but if someone from the right does it, she's going to demand an apology. You might have seen the front page of the Daily Mirror on the news this morning. And it's all about the disgusting actions of the reform candidate in the McAfield by-election. He's called Rob Kenyon. And over many years, he's made degrading, harassing and vile comments about women online.
Starting point is 00:51:31 So today, I am asking Rob Kenyon for an apology, an open apology, not just to me, but also to the many people he has abused online over the years. Oh yes, Ms. Vorterman is just so offended with her performative. of outrage that she's actually decided to repeat the post that she's so offended about. He said that English women don't care and, quote, just walk around with their fat bellies and odd shapes pushing a pram at 16 in their PJs. This is someone reform wants to be an MP. He also said on this post, women can't referee, drive or give directions and happily declared, sexist. In a rugby league fans forum, the same account, which again, reform are not denying
Starting point is 00:52:27 as from him. They were talking about European women and Rock Kenyon responded to a post saying, wouldn't get me off any of those with a bazooker. Charming. He's a creep. What's reform said? They said, oh, he's just an ordinary man making ordinary comments. No. He isn't. He's a disgusting little creep and doesn't deserve to be a member of Parliament. And reform, have form in all of this. And I'll put that all in another post. But for now, Rob Kenyon apologised. Now, as I say, I might take this a bit more seriously. If Vorderman herself was not the woman who loves boasting about sex with multiple men and loves boasting about being a milf,
Starting point is 00:53:17 this was her most recent campaign. Milt to me means it's more about being fabulous. The F is about being fab. I always took it as like it was meant to be a bit of a compliment. Sometimes, as I learned on countdown over many decades, words take on a new meaning. Okay, but there are two sides to this, and I do understand this. Patriotic Nationhooded Claw posted, So what's the crack reformers?
Starting point is 00:53:44 You were bane for blood over Nick Buckley's comments when he ran for advantage. UK, calling him a disgusted misogynist, even though you took his stuff out of context. Robert Kenyon's comments are clear. By your own standards, you should be demanding he stands down, shouldn't you? Or is it okay when it's your party? And the problem for Reform UK is that trying to defend these comments is turning into a PR disaster as the party's major signing from the Conservatives, Danny Kruger, discovered when he came up against Emma Barnett on the British bashing corporation. You talk about best. politicians. Can we talk about some of the social media posts that have emerged from your
Starting point is 00:54:24 maker field by election candidate, Robert Kenyon, or as he's described, your plucky plumber, or has Nigel Farage described him, in a now deleted Twitter account on Christmas Eve, no less, in 2021, he supported a message sent by another man to the TV presenter Carol Vorderman, and I apologise to our listeners, but I think they need to hear this. There was a message sent to Carol orderman that says this particular individual, happy birthday Carol, my God, I would love to smell and lick your asshole. And your candidate for Makerfield replied saying, he's only saying what we're all thinking with a thumbs up and a laughing emoji. Is that the type of better politician you think the British people deserve? What you're seeing there, I didn't know about
Starting point is 00:55:09 that, is obviously a private comment made by a, well, let me explain. The great challenge for social media for private people is that they use it as if they are chatting to their friends in the pub. Clearly an inappropriate thing to say publicly. Have you ever listened that privately? Well, no, but listen, I'm not going to judge people for what is it essentially regarded at the time
Starting point is 00:55:30 and intended as private conversations. Clearly, that's not the sort of thing you would want an elect a politician to make. Quite rightly, clearly he's deleted that post and regrets it. But obviously Emma Barnett, and I don't actually blame her for this, was never going to accept this
Starting point is 00:55:43 as some type of philosophical argument about what is private or public? If I may, if I may, I really... No, if I may, read to you what Carol Vorderman has said. I'm sure she's very upset. Let's give a voice to the woman in all of this. Carol Vorderman's response to a man that you have endorsed as a party, this is your party standing in a very important by-election.
Starting point is 00:56:06 She said he's a cowardly misogynist. And this plucky plumber, as he's been described by your leader, she says, I wouldn't let him in my house if he was a local plumber in my area, not with what he's been posting online. There's always a pattern. Like I say, this was clearly something said in a different context, not an appropriate thing to say publicly, I recognise it.
Starting point is 00:56:31 He also said female rugby players, talks about them being able to handle their knockers. I could continue, but, you know, it's 7.30 in the morning. And you could say this was private, but it was public, it was considered by him how he wanted to conduct himself not 20 years ago, 30 years ago in 2021. On Christmas Eve, he's spending his time talking about what he wants to do
Starting point is 00:56:59 to the intimate parts of a woman who used to present Countdown. Do you think you need to remove your man in Makerfield, like the Greens? No, I don't. And let me say this. It is clearly wrong for politicians to talk in that way. He was not a politician at the time. He was an ordinary man from an ordinary person. place and what he's done now is to step forward, outraged at the state of our country and the state of his community. Many ordinary men from ordinary places do not write like that. I'm not going to
Starting point is 00:57:25 defend those comments. Okay, Rupert Lowe himself has got involved now because Matt Goodwin posted on X, is this what saving Britain looks like? No. Reform is the only party with the grasp of policy, detail and Whitehall to genuinely push Britain in a different direction. To the patriotic people of Makerfield, you have one unique chance to help save the country vote reform. But Rupert responded, your reformed Mayfield candidate publicly bragged about how he would love to both smell and lick Carol Vorderman's asshole. A healthy mind, that is not. Okay, to my superstar panel on this, Neil and Christine Hamilton, Advance UK leader Ben Habib, and Restore Britain's spokesperson for the safety of women and children. Alla Minie Hayne. Now look, all, here's the thing. I do understand that. that in a normal context, you could argue that these comments are inappropriate for a political person to make.
Starting point is 00:58:22 But this was private banter, right? And he didn't realize. Well, yeah, but he didn't realize at that point that he was going to be a candidate. And then the other point I would make, Ola, is that, and feel free to come back on this, but that the faux outrage from Carol Vorderman here is a little bit sick. because this is a woman who sexualizes herself, right? Who literally has just made a whole load of money by calling herself a milf. That is a mother I'd like to F.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Okay? Let's just be clear about that. Who boasts in every interview she does that she has nine F buddies that she shags at different points. All I'm saying is that I struggle to accept her moral outrage about this, okay? But over to you. Look, she's another Narinda, right? Everything is, once it's one side of the, one is one side of the political spectrum,
Starting point is 00:59:23 they're outraged when it's their side, they don't say anything. It's just pathetic. Going back, I mean, I'm not a lover of Carol Vorderman anyway. I just think, you know, let it go, love. You're in your 60s. Have a bit of decor. And for goodness sake, put your boobs away and just go and write a book. Fine.
Starting point is 00:59:38 The point is that with Robert as a candidate, Now, I know that people say things ingest, but he said it on a social platform, right? He didn't say it on a text message to a group of mates. He said it on social media. It is vile. Now, he does have a point about some women drivers, because if you saw me drive, you would say the same because I'm horrendous. But it's just not a good look, right? We've had years and years of misogynistic, awful men who have said,
Starting point is 01:00:12 and women who have just said disgusting things. All we want is decent human beings with good, strong morals, with a level of intelligence and integrity, to be in the House of Commons representing the decent people of this country. Is that too much to ask? Is that too much to ask? Christine Houghton, you're totally with all on this, aren't you? I think, you know, Carol Vorderman makes a very good living selling sex, frankly.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Her faux outrage is annoying me. Well, forget her faux outrage. It doesn't matter whether she's outraged or not. What matters is what a candidate in a by-election that is hotly contested, the winner of which will become a member of Parliament. That's what matters, what he said. And to say it was private is,
Starting point is 01:01:09 frankly rubbish. It was in a public forum. And frankly, wherever he said it, that's what he thinks. That's the sort of mind he's got. That's what he thinks about women. And if you want somebody like that representing you, good for you. But let's leave Carol Voldovan out of it because frankly, she's irrelevant. She can give as good as she gets. And, you know, I agree. I agree totally with you. And you know what? The thing is, ultimate, you've got this lady Rebecca. Now put aside, I'm restored, she's restored. Put that to the side. She is. a normal woman, she's a businesswoman,
Starting point is 01:01:42 and every time she opens her mouth, every time she says something, they are so derogatory about her. She's not going around saying vile things about men. She's not posting things on social media that are derogatory. She's not, she voted Brexit. You know, so all of these things, they attack her because she's a normal, decent human being
Starting point is 01:02:03 and they've got the audacity to back this man who says vile things about women. I mean, look, I've been. Do you know what I will agree with you hard on, Ola? Up until last week, I was actually thinking Robert Kenyon was the better choice of candidate. I've completely changed my mind on that because I've now seen the fact that he didn't vote for Brexit. That would be a showstopper. That's before you get to this stuff.
Starting point is 01:02:35 And the more I see of Rebecca Shepard, the more impressed. I am. But look, I want to bring them in and on this. Yes, cool. Ben Habib, what about a lot of people who say, look, this is just banter? And when this guy Kenyon was making these comments, he didn't realize that he was going to be running for office. He was bantering on Twitter. Oh, I have to agree with Christine and Orla wholeheartedly.
Starting point is 01:03:03 It's immaterial that the subject of his derision was Carol Vorderman. the fact that he can have thoughts of the kind that he expressed on social media. And if he isn't capable of differentiating the social media from private banter, I wouldn't have thoughts like that in private banter. I think any man who in private is prepared to say the kind of nonsense this guy said in public shouldn't be alive and polite society. One of the things we've really got to do with our parliamentarians is restore a sense of gentlemanliness,
Starting point is 01:03:35 a sense of good behavior, moral rectitude, all these old-fashioned things that have just gone straight out of the window. And if anyone who can think, anyone who thinks that and then says it privately and then says it publicly is a first-class moron. He shouldn't be anywhere near the Houses of Parliament. And so I think it's irrelevant whether Carol Borderman is. But Neil, Neil Hamilton, Craig Lee, NUFC
Starting point is 01:04:01 has just come in on the super chat and said he made a joke. about what someone else said. And Neil, I just actually want to show you the post, okay? Because he didn't say that himself, Neil. He was replying to someone saying he's only saying what we're all thinking, Chris. So he didn't actually make the comment himself. Does that make a difference to you, Neil?
Starting point is 01:04:27 Well, I've seen the tweets as well, so I knew that. I wouldn't be as censorious as my other three panellists in this. particular instance i have to say i think it's just a locker room banter uh which of course looks very unpleasant when uh it hits the head christine's furious with you right now i'm with you that's a normal stage of affairs so i'm well i'm well used to what somebody's got to provide some balance on this show don't they so that's that what i but uh you know i i think it's all very You wouldn't think any of that. You wouldn't think any of that, would you? No, but, you know, just let's bring Carra Borderman back into this from me.
Starting point is 01:05:06 No. When she, when she is indulging in one of her self-confessed group sex sessions, I wonder whether any of her co-partners has actually pleasureed her in the way that she now... Oh, for God, for goodness sake, stop it. Well, I think we should be told, don't you? Oh, Christy, Christy, give him in line. Get him in line. I think this goes to the heart of the Vordman hypocrisy. Does she present her partners with a tick box shoot before she starts their sessions? Listen, Daly. Oh, Neil, TMI, TMI.
Starting point is 01:05:43 Shut up. Shut up, darling. This is not about Carol. This is not about Carol Vorderman. This is about Kenyan or whatever his name is. Is he fit to be a candidate in this election? That is the serious point here, not what Carol Vordeman might on. might not get up to. Who cares about that? This is about that candidate and he may not have said it
Starting point is 01:06:04 himself, but he endorsed it in public and that is the sort of man he is and he voted to remain. The combination of that should make him totally unsuitable. What the hell are reform doing keeping on with him? Well, you can't change now. I just say, yes, yes, come and Ben. I think one of the panelists said, I think it might have been you, Christine, that this may not cut through and make a field. I think all of this is cutting through and make a feel. These people are really engaged. And it will next week when I'm there. This will.
Starting point is 01:06:33 All is going to make God damn sure of it, isn't she? I'm going to have a loud speaker. Look, I just try and do in these situations, right? Remembering that I lost my job at GB News for something that I didn't say, okay, because I giggled along, I just try and. be very careful about the moral outrage over words that maybe were not intended to be anything other than a little bit of banter because I think it's very, very important that we on the right and in conservatism, and yes, I completely agree we need standards, but we also need to be
Starting point is 01:07:16 careful that we don't become as bad as the woke mob. And I will call out Voldemence hypocrisy here because I do think she's part of this story. She's on the front page. of the mirror today, acting like she's some type of Mother Teresa like paragon of virtue, rather than the biggest shagga in Britain who boasts about it on a regular basis to make money. And now all of a sudden she's pretending to be something that she's not. Breaking today, the Islam debate at Oxford University with Tommy Robinson, father Calvin Robinson, and Lawrence Fox going head to head with Jay Cabrice Mogg and an Islamic Islamist might be cancelled after pressure from the police and government proving that we no longer
Starting point is 01:08:04 have free speech in the disunited kingdom. Now, you remember back in 2015, Tommy Robinson gave that address at Oxford University. It has had millions of views around the world. And don't you think it shows how we are actually going backwards as a society that 11 years later, it looks like this event, which was going to be a major moment on Thursday, probably won't go ahead. Now, I spoke to Father Calvin last night. He is still flying into the country, hoping that there is a way to go forward with this. But Tommy Robinson has announced, I believe the Oxford Union, have been intimidated to cancel the debate. Myself, Lawrence Fox and Calvin Robinson were invited to on June 1st.
Starting point is 01:08:48 The motion is the West correct to be suspicious of Islam. Can you step in Jacob Rees Mob and make sure mob rule and intimidation doesn't overrule free speech in our finest of university establishments watch? This is my appeal to Jacob Rees Mock. A young Palestinian Muslim girl who has invited us to speak at the Free Speech Union, this is how I believe it's going to go, is under immense pressure. This is meant to be the most prestigious debate in society that believes in free speech and upholds free speech. at a university in England, and the world is currently watching the state of free speech in Britain. Jacob, I know you're a true believer in free speech, regardless of whether you agree
Starting point is 01:09:35 of our opinions or not. But the police, the council, the police are advising against this free speech event at the university. That's not the police's job. The job is to police, but they're interfering again. I believe it's intimidation. The council were advising and trying to convince the university not to host the event. 80,000 pounds of costs have been thrown up as another hurdle to try and prevent this discussion which needs to be had on Islam in Europe. But Lawrence Fox posted the Stasi at Thames Valley Police and Oxford County Council have bullied the brave head of the Oxford Union into cancelling the forthcoming debate on Islam, despite us offering to pay for all these shouldn't be necessary police security they say is required.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I spoke with Megan Kelly this evening and she. has offered to host the debate in the last free country on earth. Britain is no different from any communist country. At this point, we owe it to our children to defend free speech without it. We are slaves. And Tommy was clear. He believes it is actually the government and the police trying to cancel the debate, not the Islamists themselves.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Now, if this event and this discussion is cancelled, it's going to be portrayed and looked like Muslims weren't willing to have this discussion. After speaking to this young lady, I don't believe that's the case. I believe it's interference of God. government and police to prevent this discussion being had. Not that Muslims aren't up. Muslims probably want the opportunity to grill me.
Starting point is 01:11:02 Students want the opportunity to grill me. And we should have this debate in a civilised manner. And that is true because I can reveal one of the people that was going to be debating against Tommy, alongside Jacob Rees-Mogg, is Abdullah al-Andalusi. He is an Islamist who has actually debated me here on outspoken on the issue. I don't think Restore Britain runs away from the fact. that part of the reason they do want to ban halal slaughter is to discourage an Islamist takeover of the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 01:11:36 Yeah, well, so on that, I mean... An Islamist takeover? Are you kidding me? No, I'm deadly serious. 6.7%, whereas the vast majority of people in this country, 903%, 93%, is not Muslim. Where is this Islamist takeover coming from? It's ridiculous. Well, there are Sharia law courts up and down this country.
Starting point is 01:11:54 You can make there are no go zones in large parts of certain communities. There are nonsense. Well, you walk. Go there. Okay. Yeah. Go there. Go to white go to white chap. Go to white chapel. Yeah. See the signs which are no longer up in English. See the Muslims who are out there literally brutalizing young Christian preachers on the street. See the police who have also been subjected to an Islamist takeover, ban. a political party for hosting a peaceful Christian march in that area because they know it would upset community tensions. I mean, I could list example after. Okay, to the superstar panel on this, Christine and Neil Hamilton Restore Britons, All a Minnehane and Advanced UK leader Ben Habib. Ben, this is pretty chilling stuff, isn't it? That a debate, a debate actually organized by a Muslim
Starting point is 01:12:49 woman featuring a Muslim man versus the likes of Tommy Robinson, Father Calvin Robinson, and Lauren Fox will probably not go ahead. And it's not because of the university this time. It's because of the police. It's extraordinary. Just before I answered, I actually debated in the Oxford Union a couple of years ago on whether Islam was compatible with democracy. And there were no problems with that debate taking place. So even in the last couple of years, obviously things have got worse. Or maybe it's because Tommy Robinson is speaking. But if they are genuinely repulsed by the views that Tommy Robinson holds, then the best thing that they can do is to let him speak. Because in revealing his views more broadly to the congregation and no doubt will be aired later
Starting point is 01:13:36 and the populace at large, they would be able to reveal the repugnancy of his views. To shut him down, as Tommy Robinson explained so well, to shut him down will actually come across as if it's the Muslims who are trying to control this debate. And it's the Muslims who are going to come out of it badly. Debates should go ahead. There can be no excuse for the debate being cancelled. Do you agree, Alla Minnie Hayne? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, again, we, the problem with this country at the moment is the fact that actually it's the authorities that are creating this massive division. You know, it's look at what happened at UTK the day before with Starma criticizing and, you know, bad-mouthing the people that were going to attend at the day.
Starting point is 01:14:24 the march. You know, they are the government, the police, the authorities are the ones that are creating this huge division. If they stayed out of it and let democracy be democracy and free speech be free speech, then there wouldn't be half the problem we have. I am pretty sure that Tommy is well able to control himself and well able to debate as good as the next person to let him do it. Why create something that isn't there, a problem that isn't there? Let them get on with it. They both want to, what on earth has it got to do with the authorities and the police? It's to do with the university, to do with Tommy, to do with the other speakers. Let them get on with it. It's absolutely ridiculous nanny state, looking, watching everything, giving their opinion and
Starting point is 01:15:09 everything. Leave us alone. Let us get on with our lives. Let's get on with civil debate and stay out of it. It's absolutely ridiculous. And Neil Hamilton, especially given Lawrence Fox revealed there, that actually he has offered to pay for the policing costs. Yeah, of course. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for counselling this debate, and even more reason now for ensuring that it does go ahead, because it's very important symbolically as well as for the debate itself, because there are wider issues involved here. What are the authorities in this country who take a different view on immigration probably from those of us who are on this programme today doing, using the power of the state to prevent free speech
Starting point is 01:15:54 for people who they oppose having their say on things. I've seen the speech that Tommy Robinson made in the Oxford Union that you referred to earlier on. Dan is easily available on YouTube. He's a highly intelligent and a highly persuasive man and maybe that's the reason why they want to close it down because they think that what he's saying is so obvious common sense. The motion couldn't be more anodyne, should it is? Are we right in the West to be suspicious of Islam, given the things that we know about the role of extremist fundamentalist Islamic clerics in Iran, promoting terrorism around the world from 9-11 through things like the Manchester Arena bombings, all the acts of violence we've seen in this country in recent years overwhelmingly have this kind
Starting point is 01:16:47 of motivation behind them. So of course we should be suspicious of Islam, not because of the tenets of the religion necessarily. I'm not expert on. Islam, I wouldn't express any opinion on that. But the way in which it is used politically and militarily by its most extreme fanatic is clearly a matter of a great public interest. And the more we debate this, the better it's likely to be for our society in the future. And Christine, I mean, my understanding, by the way, is that the head of the Oxford Union is a Muslim woman herself who wants this debate to take place. And as I say, there is an Islamist man who is prepared to debate Tommy Robinson?
Starting point is 01:17:28 No, I quite agree. I'm afraid there's going to be total unanimity on this panel because I was very encouraged when I first heard about this because exactly as you say, it is a Muslim woman, current president, who said, let's have Tommy Robinson. Now, that is something that you would not have expected
Starting point is 01:17:44 to have happened. And I thought it's very, I don't know anything about it, but clearly very broad-minded offer and it would be, it would be, if it happens, a very interesting debate. but it's a terrible indictment of this country that's something like that, which ought to be so simple and straightforward, people with opposing views get together in one of our oldest educational institutions
Starting point is 01:18:04 and they talk it out. It must be the police who want to stop it. It isn't the union. If it was the union, we would have seen marches and stuff and protests and they would all have been attacking this Muslim president, but it isn't. It's not coming from there. It's coming from outside. They have no excuse. The money is now up front to pay for the policing. So let's go. Let's get it, you know, let's get it going and let's have it. And it'll be absolutely fascinating.
Starting point is 01:18:31 But honestly, I despair. I just, I always get very depressed when I come on programs like this. Well, there are no programs like this. But you know what I mean. Because, you know, I'm minding my own business in the garden and enjoying the flowers. And suddenly I get faced with all these hideous problems that are besetting. But once wonderful country that I've got. boo up it and it's deeply, deeply
Starting point is 01:18:54 depressing. It is, but we've got to fight for it. We've got to fight for it. And free speech is absolutely one of those key, key tenets that we must all defend. Breaking today, a royal wedding crisis. Peter
Starting point is 01:19:10 Phillips's nuptials to the NHS nurse Harriet Spurling have just been thrown into chaos after shocking new allegations about Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor and a police investigation involving his sexual conduct at Royal Ascot in 2002 with a woman are now part of this formal police investigation. As a result, the humiliated princesses Bertris and Eugenie have not only
Starting point is 01:19:40 said that they will no longer attend Royal Ascot this year, they have also changed their minds and withdrawn their RSVP to this royal wedding that will be attended by Prince William, Catherine, the King, Camilla and other senior members of the family. So let me take you through this growing royal drama. Tom Sykes revealing that Beatrice and Eugenie will now skip the wedding and Ascot as the police inquiry into their father, Andrew, turns to sex. He writes that he can exclusively reveal the two princesses have been left mortified all over again by the latest developments and do not want to overshadow the bride and groom's big day.
Starting point is 01:20:25 He says although it has been widely reported that the princesses would attend the wedding in recent days, the source said this was never as concrete as had been portrayed. The source said that while they had indeed RSVP to say they intended to come and those RSVPs had not as yet been cancelled, they would never want to overshadowed the bride and groom's happy day. Now remember that's a dig at Megan Markle who announced she was pregnant at Princess Eugenie's wedding. The source said that the new record. revelations about Andrew, which merged on Friday with Thames Valley Police saying they had widened their inquiry into misconduct in public office to include sexual misconduct, had cast doubt on the prospect of the princess's attending either wedding on June the 6th or Royal Ascot, which runs from June the 16th to 20th. Now, that is significant because of this new bombshell, a marmalade dropper from the Sunday Times, revealing that police now examining events in 2000.
Starting point is 01:21:20 to that he behaved inappropriately towards a woman at Royal Ascot. Now, what's so shocking is that this was an event attended by Queen Elizabeth. During her golden jubilee year, and Andrew was photographed at the five-day meet alongside his daughter, Princess Beatrice, and the future King Charles. The Sunday Times reports it is unclear whether the claim about Andrew's alleged behaviour at Scott was reported to police at the time or more recently. However, detectives at Thames Valley police are understood to be pursuing the matter as part of a broader investigation into Andrew over the offense of misconduct and public office. The Sunday Times can reveal that investigators
Starting point is 01:22:00 are now working their way through a list of key witnesses, including former cabinet ministers, royal officials and senior civil servants to gather evidence about Andrew's 10-year stint as a government trade envoy. Detectives at Thames Valley are also thought to have been granted access to Scotland Yard's files on Virginia. near Dufre, who accused Andrew of assaulting her on three occasions when she was 17. The Metropolitan Police first interviewed Dufray in 2015, but decided not to open a full investigation. Andrew paid a 12 million pound settlement to Dufray in 2022 with no admission of liability.
Starting point is 01:22:35 But even though King Charles is now going to Sandrineum, we are told he will not visit his brother during that short stay over the bank holiday weekend. So that means that there is no chance of King Charles discussing exactly what Andrew intends to do. And remember, this puts his chances of staying under the throne in serious jeopardy. I mean, Charles's entire reign is in peril at the moment because just stick with me here. But let's assume the police send the file to the CPS. The CPS decide to charge. Andrew pleads not guilty.
Starting point is 01:23:15 and Andrew then decides to call on something involving his brother as part of his evidence as to why he behaved in the way that he did or why he agreed to this payoff with Dufre. How on earth can King Charles continue in his role given these are his courts? So to my superstar panel on this, Christine Hamilton, First Christine, can we stick with this wedding to begin with? Is it fair, Christine? because this really sort of divides royal watchers like you. Is it fair that Princesses, Beatrice and Eugenie should be excluded from a family wedding because of allegations against their father?
Starting point is 01:24:00 I certainly don't describe myself as a Royal Watcher. I'm honestly not. But a couple of things. First of all, at the moment, one has to remember, these are just allegations. But they are going to hang over this wedding. It's just up the road from us. We know quite a few people who are going.
Starting point is 01:24:15 A little Campbell church, it'll be the most wonderful country wedding, but of course a huge number of bigwigs are going to be there. And I'm afraid, I think it's very, very sad because the princesses are close to their cousins. I think they are. Peter must be a cousin. So I think it's very, very sad, but I think they have or are about to be making the right decision.
Starting point is 01:24:35 They're on the screen now. It's their day and anything that will overshadow it, and that frankly would. So I think reluctantly, they cannot go. They have to stay away. They could perhaps sneak into the reception afterwards, but the place will be crawling with press. So I think I'm afraid they can't go,
Starting point is 01:24:53 which is very sad for them. I mean, I do feel sorry for those girls. I know people try and implicate them in this and that and the other one. They must have known this and they must have known that. But basically, it really is a question of the sins of the father and the mother. Well, I mean, Neil Hamilton, it's interesting, isn't, because they did go and meet with Jeffrey Epstein,
Starting point is 01:25:10 as adults after his release from prison for child sex trafficking. So, I don't know, they were adults at that point. Sure, you can blame the parents. But what must be particularly mortifying for Princess Beatrice is that this new accusation about her father at Royal Ascot was when he was actually attending the event with her, and she was a child. So, I mean, you've got to feel sorry for her for that, Neil.
Starting point is 01:25:35 But at the same time, I'm actually with Prince William here. I don't think it would be appropriate for them to attend. Royal Ascot this year, do you? Well, it's easy enough to avoid going to the races, isn't it? Yeah. So I don't think that's a big issue. It's quite different from a family wedding, especially if you're close to the participants. And, you know, I must say, I wonder what the behaviour of the police is in all this.
Starting point is 01:26:00 They're getting increasingly desperate, of course, to find some criminal charge they can pin upon Andrew. Yeah, having ignored it for years. I've ignored it for years. And there's doubt over whether his role as a trade envoy does qualify as public office for the purposes of a misconduct claim. So, you know, they're scrabbling around. And both Christy and I have been falsely accused of sexual misdemeanors as a need of use. Likewise. In our case, we were accused of rape, no less, jointly, rather worse than the offending tweet that we were talking about earlier on. So I do think that the principle of innocent and less proven guilty is of vital importance to this country and that we shouldn't have witch hunts on the basis of anonymous allegations to each of which we know nothing. And that's what's happening here. And I think that's a very, very bad precedent. It's not a president.
Starting point is 01:26:55 We've seen it so many times regularly every year for God knows how long. So I do think it's a great shame for the princesses that they can't go. to this well feel they can't go to this wedding and I do understand the practical reasons why they've taken this decision but I still think it's to be regretted and you know they're they're very charming girls we have met them before and or you can meet people once or twice that doesn't entitle you to form a view about their character generally but you know they they are blamed us in any of this morass really they all right they may have met Jeffrey Epstein as a result of their father's invitation or whatever, however it came about all those years ago. I mean, that's not
Starting point is 01:27:40 a hanging offence in my view in the circumstances that we're describing. So, and I do think that this comes with the territory, of course, if you are members of the royal family, your fair game for the tabloid media in a smaller way, then we've been in that position ourselves, and it's full of unfairness. And you just have to accept that life is unfair, I'm afraid sometimes. Ben Habib, do you worry that this is potentially turning into a witch hunt? Because I do agree with what Neil's saying, but the problem is there was a police cover-up for many years, Ben, which is why we've sort of had to put pressure on the authorities in this case. Oh, he used to be referred to as Randy Andy. Do you remember?
Starting point is 01:28:27 Yes, he did. I do. I think I revealed he'd shagged over a thousand women or something when I was at the song. really, blimey, okay. Well, that really is Randy. A great journal of record. Not possible. I don't believe it. You know, people use a smirk and sort of that was acceptable behaviour. I completely agree with Neil that the principle of innocent until proven guilty must be upheld in this country. And that applies equally to the left and the right.
Starting point is 01:28:56 And it's a principle actually that's been increasingly set aside by the European Union, in their sort of civil code approach to life, is the opposite of our system. In their system, you're assumed to be guilty, you've got to somehow prove that you're innocent. And we've been infected by it, and we've got to stay high-minded and principled about this subject because at the heart of being innocent
Starting point is 01:29:24 until proven guilty is our entire judicial criminal justice system. And we set that aside the minute we start going on these witch hunts. So the police may be keen to put right the ills of their past neglect, but that doesn't mean that they're justified in not adhering to due process. Allumeney Hayne, in your role, though, as Restore Britain's spokeswoman for the safety of women and children, there is something incredibly serious that rather... under all of this, which is this monumental cover-up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:04 I mean, look, and I'm going to disagree with you guys. I'm sorry. And I do believe that you are innocent or proven guilty. But how many times does this man have to be exposed for the pervert that he is? Now, let's be clear. You know, every so often, well, every week, every month, however much it is, there's a story. Yes, I feel sorry for his daughters. But as you say, Dan, they went to Epstein's island. They knew what was going on there. They knew that he had this past. I mean, they're not stupid. They read.
Starting point is 01:30:38 They've got contacts. For me, Andrew is a despicable man. He, if you read Virginia's book, it is absolutely gut-wrenching. And I'm sorry, I don't care if he's Prince or pauper. The man is a disgrace. Now, if things are coming out about him, with all due respect, I believe all of them, because everything you read about him, he's just a disgusting sex pest. And he just needs to be kept away from the monarchy as far as possible, because all he is doing is destroying them and bringing them into disrepute. Now, I'm not a lover of Charles. I am a pro-royal.
Starting point is 01:31:14 I think that they play a really, really huge part in our heritage and our traditions. But this man is just an absolute wrongen. And I'm sorry, you know, I'm sure that there are occasions where he's accused of and he didn't do them. But on the whole, I think that he just needs to be locked away somewhere, absolutely disgusting him and that awful ex-wife of his. Dreadful. Okay, good stuff today.
Starting point is 01:31:37 Good feisty debate. Thank you so much. Do stand by, though, because we're about to reveal today's greatest Britain and uni in Jackass. And celebrate the fact that this is our 500th episode of Dan Wooden outspoken. Lots of comments coming in from you, though. Helen O.D. 786, this is on the whole battle between reform. and restore.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Said reform over the weekend it was like someone flipped a switch and they all went mad. Completely unhinged rants, making demands of restore people. Give us your vote or everything is your fault. Crikey. Side Control 1-2-3-4 says no one gives a shit about people posting memes. Some people need to stop being snowflakes. Tim OGB says the original picture was low with his guns in a wheelbarrow after the police confiscated them due to false claims by Yusuf.
Starting point is 01:32:25 The Ant-Man Channel says Alex Phillips has lost the bloody plot. Flytime 76637 says Norrence Fox said he has something to say about Farage when the time is right. And Simon M2ZN says reform must be struggling if they have to keep resorting to attacking Rupert Lowe. Which Hazel 21 says I'm sure Sarah Poacham will defect to restore after the by-election. She is definitely more aligned to restore Britain than weak reform. And you know reverse 11 says reform tactics smear, claim vote splitting, came restore, has far right thug supporters, smear some more gaslight, then smear again. And J45595 says Farad shafted UKIP, shafted Brexit after the vote,
Starting point is 01:33:13 and has shafted all the people who put their faith in him to sort the UK out. Now they are staying restore, are splitting the vote, just effing. Do one. Okay, a reminder of your union jackass nominees. The Hamilton's went for Nicola Sturgeon for becoming the Scottish version of I Know Nothing, Manuel from Faulty Towers. Ben Habib went for Mark Carney for comparing a referendum on the independence of Alberta to Brexit and calling it undemocratic.
Starting point is 01:33:44 And Allemine went for Robert Jenrick for leaking private messages between the two of them. And the results are in. In third position with 15% of the vote, Ben Habib's choice, Mark Carney, the runner-up with 26% of the vote, Alla Minniehain and Robert Jenric. But today's worst Britain in the world today with 59% of the vote. It's scheming sturgeon chosen by the Hamilton's, and I honestly believe this woman should be in prison.
Starting point is 01:34:15 Seriously, I do. Give me tankie. Are you allowed to say that? Well, I'm going to. I'm going to, Christine. Look, at the end of the day, do we really believe that this woman didn't know? Do we really believe that this woman didn't know what was going on when she was micromanager, when she was pictured using the coffee machine?
Starting point is 01:34:34 Seriously, if Neil Hamilton came home with a jaguar car, would you just say, oh, that's nice? No, of course. Not anyone who's in a married couple or in any type of couple knows that you have a debate over who paid for what. So it's just ludicrous. It's totally ludicrous. Anyway, today's greatest Britain nominated by Ben Habib as Aaron Rye, and that is the man who claimed a maiden major title with a three-shot victory in the PGA championship on the 17th.
Starting point is 01:35:04 He is the first Brit to lift the trophy since the 1990s. I'm not a big golf guy, Ben, but this is a big deal, right? Well, I'm not a big golf guy either, but I did a search of the net to try and find the greatest Britain in the last week, and there was nothing that I could find in the political sphere. And this man at least has done something good for the country. So I thought, well, you know, put him forward. The rest of it's all a deeply depressing, as Christine was saying.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Come out of your garden and have to hold your head in your hands when you re-engage with the political, with the political, you know, the political, what I love about. Carol Wardman, Ben. Let's not go there. Let's not go there again. Neil Hamilton is already in enough trouble after the show. But look, what I love about this show, and it is our 500. episode today is that I hope that we can bring a bit of levity and a bit of light to these very
Starting point is 01:35:56 serious issues too. And I want to thank my superstar panel so much because Ben Habib, he was with me for episode number one and he's back for episode number 500. He is the leader of Advance UK. Christina and Neil Hamilton, well, they were my rocks over my horrible cancellation period and they have come with me from my GB News days to my days in the independent space on Outspoken. I love them both and all the many Haynes. She's a new friend. She is an outspoken legend and I absolutely love having her as part of it. And I just want to thank all of you so much. And then thank you actually because I couldn't have done outspoken without your support. As I said at the top of the show, I actually didn't necessarily believe that we would ever get to 500 episodes. But now I'm so
Starting point is 01:36:45 confident that there is this need for an independent media revolution that we will get to episode number 5,000 and I couldn't have done it without you. Here is what's gone on over these past 500 episodes. No spitz. No buyers. No censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is outspoken. Today I can reveal a miserable Lady Victoria Stama no longer reside day to day with our creditorious leader at number 10 downing street. Axel Ruda-Gabana is able to attend mosque within Belmont. prison. Reform UK briefed multiple journalists. Rupert Lowe is suffering from dementia. We know that politicians knew, we know that the government knew, we know the police knew. And I find it quite upsetting, actually, that there is this kind of underbelly of people at
Starting point is 01:37:42 Talksport who hate me. There's full credit to you as well, Dan, because I've seen you today, your set-ups brilliant. You are the king of Obina. You are the outside broadcast man. Watch my lips. I don't work with people who try and send me to prison for nothing. And I did it, after fighting relentlessly to reduce the numbers coming into our country legally. What is Aksaradikvana? What are all these people doing? It doesn't mean that you have to go out there and kill innocent people. It means if your house is under a... How dare you? How dare you say that as defensive?
Starting point is 01:38:13 How dare you? To mock or to be disrespectful about the loss of life. Oh, get... No. I won't get a life, mate. Don't start on me because this will end badly for you, my friend. You're not putting this on this earth to judge me. You're not. Very touchy now.
Starting point is 01:38:28 Now you're taking it because I thought we're having a debate. We're not debating. You don't debate ideas. You attack people. Stop it. Why won't you feature Tommy Robinson on G.B. News? He's not here. Oh, no, I know.
Starting point is 01:38:39 But you don't feature him, Ben Habib or Rupert Lowe. As a result of her and her husband's conduct perpetrated the scam of the century. I heard, you know, that she was rude to the gardener. Head Gardner reported this to the Queen. The Queen got into her car and drove. have done and ticked her off. Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor, the brother of King Charles, the uncle of Prince William, is arrested in an audacious police raid on the King's Sandrinema State on his 66 birthday.
Starting point is 01:39:14 Breaking right now, Tommy Robinson, not guilty on terror charges. Tommy, what's your message throughout spoken viewing? Although we won today, they banned citizen journalists and our court case. They prevented citizen journalists reported on today's case. Please come and join us over on Substack at WWW. outspoken.live. Subscribe right now on YouTube. Turn on the notification bell
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Starting point is 01:39:50 has just walked into the studio. Mum, thank you. Thank you so much. This is to our greatest Britain for the day. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. On your 500th show.
Starting point is 01:40:00 We're so proud of you from all the family. Oh, Mama, I love you so much. It's so amazing to have you here. That is incredible. And mum was here for show number three. Things were not quite as slick back then, were we? So I've got to thank all of the incredible team who make outspoken happen. Bobby, James, Jesse, Lucas, Jaden, Harry.
Starting point is 01:40:28 Thank you, thank you, thank you. all of our superstar panelists, all of our royal contributors. Of course, my fiancée Alan as well, my sister Ash, and my mum, who's here and my dad, John as well. So thank you so much. Honestly, couldn't have done it without you. That bloody cheeky get, though, Lawrence Fox, can I just show you what he has posted today? Still waiting for a formal thank you letter from Dan Wooden for getting him fired from GB News. Unleashed a monster. Congratulations. Well, happy birthday, Lawrence. And am I, are we ready to thank
Starting point is 01:41:06 Lawrence Fox yet for that hell that we will put through? Maybe not quite. But no, honestly, I couldn't think of anything better than doing this with everyone. We are nearly at half a billion views on YouTube, which is just incredible after 500 episodes. So we do it all for you. As I say, all of this is because I'm fighting for you. I'm fighting for the future of the United Kingdom and Let's hope we can keep doing it in the independent space. But anyway, Mum, thank you so much. You've got to go now, though, because we've got the uncanncled after show coming up. And Angela Levin is standing by for that.
Starting point is 01:41:40 You just stay here for now until we finish. Angela Levin is standing by for that. And she was here on day one as well. So it's absolutely perfect. We've got Angela Levin. Come and join me at Substack www. www. outspoken. Live.
Starting point is 01:41:52 We're also available as a podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. and as ever most importantly this 500th episode I promise to keep fighting for you you.

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