Dan Wootton Outspoken - Reform UK’s Ben Habib reacts as Trump VP pick JD Vance calls UK “Islamist” under Labour | OUTSPOKEN EP 8

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Donald Trump’s VP pick JD Vance has upset all the usual suspect British leftists for suggesting, only somewhat jokingly, that the UK is on course to become the world’s first “truly Islamist” nuclear superpower. But does he have a point? And why is it considered taboo to discuss this sort of demographic change? Dan delivers a typically outspoken Digest on the issue. He is joined for an in depth interview by former Reform UK leader Ben Habib, one of the smartest conservative minds in Britain. Plus, Connor Tomlinson talks about his suspension from the Tories as he joins Reform UK activist James Sutherland on today’s Superstar Panel. We’ll also discuss why Harry and Meghan were heckled to go back to Britain after his dud ESPYs appearance. To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show with Ben Habib, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day:    / @danwoottonoutspoken   ---------- Today’s Sponsor: VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. ---------- #NigelFarage #reformuk #UKelection #news #royal #donaldtrumpnews #donaldtrump #gbnews #danwootton #jdvance #joebiden #princeharry #meghanmarkle To make sure you never miss a single Dan Wootton Outspoken video, click here to subscribe: Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live/premium ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?... Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook:   / danwootton   Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number eight. And Donald Trump has returned to the spotlight just two days after an assassination attempt destroyed part of his ear. But it's his pick for Vice President, Jadie Vance, who has upset all of the usual suspect British leftists for suggesting only somewhat jokingly that the UK is on course to become the world's first truly Islamist nuclear superpower. So does he have a point? And why is it considered taboo to discuss this sort of demographic change

well you know i don't have that fair on outspoken so i'll tackle it head on very shortly in the digest and your view in our question of the day which you can vote for on my x profile today was trump's vp pick jd vance Wright to suggest the UK might become the world's first truly Islamist nuclear superpower? Also coming up on the show, as super wet Tom Tugendhat prepares to launch his leadership bid, why is the Conservative Party throwing out true small-c Conservatives? Conor Tomlinson talks about his suspension from the Tories as he joins Republican overseas UK spokeswoman Jennifer Ewing on today's superstar panel. We'll also discuss why Harry and Meghan were heckled to go back to Britain after this dud Espy's appearance. And then I cannot wait for this in depth with one of the smartest brains in Britain,

the former Reform UK deputy leader Ben Habib, who outlines how he thinks the UK can be saved. Plus, Ben Habib will be sticking around to answer your questions in our uncancelled after show, where we come off big tech to truly unleash. So remember to sign up right now at www.outspoken.live. Click the sign up button and you will get 30 minutes extra content completely uncensored every single day. Remember to hit subscribe right now if you're watching on YouTube and Rumble because we are here every single weekday. Let's go. So Donald Trump's vice presidential pick, J.D. Vance, has upset every major leftist in Britain

today for this joke about the likelihood of the Islamist state of Britain becoming a reality under slippery Starmer. By the way, I have to beat up on the UK just one additional thing. I was talking with a friend recently and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn't care about it. And was talking about you know what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon and we were like maybe it's Iran you know maybe Pakistan already kind of counts and then we sort of finally decided maybe it's actually the UK since labor just took over but But to my Tory friends, I have to say, you guys have got to get a handle on this. It's a sort of a joke, but one anchored in truth.

And you can imagine how the British commentary reacted. The Daily Mirror's associate editor, Kevin Maguire, raged, dangerous, racist, and stupid, just like his boss. Lovey actor Robert Lindsay wrote, how dare Vance, standing in a country so divided, confused and angry, comment on our country. Sort out your own backyard, pal. Good morning, Britain's resident race-baiting socialist, Adil Ray, stormed Vance, Trump's likely VP, claiming UK now an Islamist country since Labour took over. Islamist is used to describe Islamic fundamentalists, but also made to sound like Muslims generally.

This language is highly dangerous, divisive and makes no one safe. Left wing former BBC Trump hater in chief John Sopel added, this is alarming. For a clever man, this is a very stupid remark. British diplomacy has its work cut out with a Trump-Vance ticket. And even the Mail on Sunday's more moderate columnist, Dan Hodges, claimed, If J.D. Vance wants to use racist insults against us, that's his choice. But if senior Tories like Liz Truss and Boris Johnson want to rock up to the Republican convention and ingratiate themselves

with him and his boss, the British people, will remember. And so that's what happens, right? When you attempt to have any conversation about disturbing and out of control demographic change in the UK, the corrupt MSM and political elite immediately lambast you as racist and dangerous and backward in an attempt to avoid the debate altogether. I would argue that we must be having this conversation. So rather than being so outraged about that J.D. Vance joke anchored in truth, the political establishment should actually take a step back and realize the British people are absolutely terrified about the Islamist future that he predicts. And it's this graph that explains exactly why, by the way. So these are just cold hard statistics. I've checked them all. They're

all accurate. In 1961, the British Muslim population was 50,000. That was 0.11% of the population. In 2021, the British Muslim population was 3.9 million, 6.5% of the population. That's a compound annual growth rate of 7.53%. And if that rate continues by 2051, the UK's Muslim population will be 34 million. Now, I guess one of the big questions is, is that a problem? Well, for me, as a gay man, yes, given that polls have regularly shown that 50% of British Muslims have zero tolerance towards homosexuality. Women too should have a massive concern about the creep of Sharia law into our society. But our new Foreign Secretary David Lammy has been much more focused on branding Donald Trump a quote neo-Nazi sympathising sociopath. Socialist Labour's priorities in opposition were all wrong and it looks like they are going to remain all wrong in government.

But for once, for once, and it's not often I say this, the British bashing corporation actually called out their hypocrisy. Today, when the new Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner tried to talk about the need for civility in politics. It was BBC Breakfast who reminded her that she was the one who branded every single Conservative in the country as Tory scum. One of the things I'm concerned about is many times when I go into colleges and to schools and do talks, the one thing that the students always ask me about is how do I cope with the level of abuse that I receive? I find that sad that that is their question because it worries me that people won't want to stand for office and for a thriving democracy we need people to stand for office and we need people to uphold our democracy by making sure that people aren't intimidated, we don't see

that violence and that people can exercise their right to vote. But there might be young people who heard you using the word scum about Tory politicians yourself and having to apologise for that only a couple of years ago, who were also put off going into politics. I mean, how do you now, as Deputy Prime Minister, reflect on your own use of language and your own responsibility in this? Well you'll have seen at the time about how I dealt with that and I apologise but there was also inflammatory language across the board including racist, homophobic and misogynistic

comments made by the then Prime Minister and I think it was wrong. I've said it was wrong and I've said that the Prime Minister was wrong and i think we all so slowly but surely the left are being exposed for their hypocritical whataboutery and for being the complete opposite of the be kind warriors they proclaim to be it's lovely to see but now let's bring in today's superstar panel. And I'm delighted to have with me the growing intellectual giant in the independent media conservative space, Conor Tomlinson, host of the excellent Tomlinson Talks on Lotus Eaters, and my friend Jennifer Ewing, the spokesperson for Republicans Abroad UK. for republicans abroad uk and look so much to talk about but connor what's your take on this jd vance joke and this hysterical reaction from the left in the uk describing him as dangerous and racist well i was delighted to be one of the five Brits actually in the room at this dinner, Dan, and it went down with laughter and applause because those in the room, either the Englishmen who are concerned about the demographic realities that you've highlighted, the rapid sectarian violence, the threat of such that's been posed to Speaker Lindsay Hoyle, or even our old nemesis at LotusEaters.com, Jess Phillips, being heckled and shouted down during her acceptance speech at the election.

They're concerned. But also, and this isn't untoward to observe, there are quite a few Jews involved with the NatCon movement. I mean, Yaron Hazoni himself is an Israeli-American. And so you might understand why those Jewish members of the National Conservatives and Conference might be a bit concerned if Islam becomes the majority in the UK, because already when it is a minority, it's putting on pro-Palestinian protests and projecting from the river to the sea onto the Elizabeth Tower every weekend and Wednesday in Westminster. They might have a little bit of a problem with that. And the idea that J.D. Vance is a racist, I mean, look, they're always going to accuse you of racism. It's pure projection. It's not about hypocrisy. It's about hierarchy.

Bear in mind, his wife is an Indian immigrant, or at least the daughter of immigrants, and has intermarried into the culture. And he said himself that even though America is not a free-floating nation of ideas, it is a people, it is a shared heritage. It is a religion. It is an established nation. He said he'd quite like his wife to be buried right alongside him in a plot that his family has picked out for in Kentucky. So he considers her a part of the American tribe too. So it's not about skin color. It's about deeply felt senses of belonging. And that means assimilation into the culture that keeps us all safe. Jennifer, you're a big fan of J.D. Vance. He was your pick. Absolutely. I read his book, Hillbilly Elegy, back in 2016, before Trump was even elected. And after the surprise election of Donald Trump in 2016, a lot of people who were not paying attention to what was going on in the United States of America were surprised.

Like, how did this former reality television star, real estate mogul, get this far? And people looked to Hillbilly Elegy, J.D. Vance's book, and said, look, there's an entire portion of America that has been neglected, that has been overlooked, whether that's because their manufacturing jobs were sent overseas, whether that's because people no longer appreciated physical labor. You know, we had Hillary Clinton calling half of the population deplorables. And, you know, it's just terrible the way a lot of these people have been treated and a lot of the ways in which they've been left behind. J.D. Vance himself is the American dream. I mean, if you have read Hillbilly Allergy or even just, you know, things that have gone on in the press about him in the last couple of days, he comes from, you know, a very poor background, full of addiction and violence. And his grandmother ended up raising him, kept him on the straight and narrow. He

signed up for the Marines when we went to Iraq, served there, then went on to Yale Law School and became a senator in Ohio. And, you know, as of last night, the rest is history. And one of the great things that's being said about him is that he has the courage to go to war for America, but also the wisdom to know when to avoid certain wars. So great choice. And I think he's going to do very well for that for the. Indeed. And he's on a collision course with David Lammy because, of course, he doesn't care about the result of the war in Ukraine I think he's an inspired choice I think it's a brave choice of Trump because what he's saying is that the future of MAGA is not going to be me this is a movement that should continue

after my second term and here is this inspiring 39 year old with all of the right credentials and celebrity charisma in order to become president after me i'm really excited about and by the way i think the fact that you know the likes of john sopal and kevin mcguire and adle ray dislike him actually uh means that i love him already but look breaking right now robert f kennedy Jr. has apologized after releasing a video clip that shows a private conversation that he had between himself and Trump after the shooting. Let's listen to this. We'll come to the clip shortly. But this has caused quite a bit of outrage, Jennifer, because there shouldn't have necessarily been a situation where RFK... I think we can watch it now and then we'll react off the bat.

I think it would be so good for you and so big for you. And we're going to win. We're going to win. We're way ahead of the guy. And, you know, he's interesting. It was very nice, actually. He called me and he said how did you choose to move to the right because you know so i guess that's people see it you know

i was looking straight up he said i said i was just showing a chart i didn't have to tell him the chart was on all the people pouring into our country but But that one just turned my head to show the jar. And something wrecked me. It felt like a giant, like the world's largest mosquito. And it was. It was a bullet going right... What do they call that, an AR-15 or something? That was a big gun. That was a pretty tough gun, I'd say.

Now look, Jennifer, I think this is really inappropriate. Those are big guns. Those are pretty tough guns, right? believing it's a private call. Secondly, there's lots of hope that RFK Jr. might be elected into Trump's cabinet to, for example, run a big investigation into the vaccines and the vaccine damage, something that could have been a requirement for an RFK Jr. endorsement of Trump. But the trust is going to be smashed after the leak of that sort of video, isn't it? I think it's a really silly move for RFK Jr. to have done this.

Well, he says that there was filming going on in his house, right? And he just happened to be on the phone during that time. I mean, the cynic in me says this was somewhat done on purpose. I don't know. You know, I think Trump likes a lot of RFK Jr.'s policies. He was never going to be able to choose him as a vice president because, you know, he he he is still very liberal. However, they cross over on a lot of issues, you know, challenging our institutions that have failed us terribly since lockdown. Obviously, looking into the death of his uncle and his father. And then a big issue I would you know, if you talk to anybody

who say in the 20 year old range or younger, their big issues are no more forever wars looking and looking into this sort of food and drug vicious cycle that America's into where we're being fed poison and then we're being put on drugs to cure ourselves from whatever happened. So I don't know how terrible this is, as long as Trump knew about it. Let's put it that way. But I don't think he did, Connor. That's the issue. He was having a really candid conversation. And my assumption, Connor, is the fact rfk has gone out and given this apology is because he's had trump's team saying what the hell have you just done quite and i don't

know if it's a two-party or single-party consent state where it was filmed and released and i'm sure trump's team will be looking into that i think it would be a mistake to do any kind of law for against rfk but obviously he wants to cover his backside, so to speak. On the idea that RFK would have been appointed VP and on J.D. Vance being VP, look, if Trump would have appointed RFK VP, I think it would have been unwise, mainly because, as has already been said, RFK was running to the left, despite challenging the FDA and food and drug regulation cabal. He is pro reparations. He's pro abortion up till birth until he backed off because he realized he was polling badly on that. He's pro ending the second amendment and he's demented on the climate change policy to the point of where

he wants to run roughshod over the first amendment for climate change denial. Bear in mind, they accused Trump of that, that he was the number one president to bring down emissions during his term and actually repatriate gas manufacturing. So for my sources, I am surprised he chose Vance because I know for a fact it was down to Vance and Rubio right at the week of NatCon. This is why Rubio was booked for the second night and why Vance was booked for the third night. Rubio actually pulled out last minute on the morning of the Tuesday to go back to Florida. And people thought this was him getting the call. And I had word from within Rubio's team that they were gearing up for the VP's office. Both were Catholics. The reason he was probably going to pick Rubio was because Rubio is on the Senate Intelligence and Defense Committee. And so he complained nice of the Fed

who frustrated Trump's first term. And so I think this is quite a last minute change. And this is just my speculation now i wonder if vance has been appointed as essentially assassination insurance after saturday because people think that rubio might be squishier than vance and so trump is thinking who's going to haunt the nightmares of my enemies who are they going to worry about taking me out and installing instead and i think it's vance and so i i'm curious as to why Rubio was stepped over, because that's what I was being told. But I think we'll be able to judge Vance's record. I think his speech given at NatCon, though, gives a lot of people in that base that are very America first and socially

conservative a bit more hope. Jennifer, you're shaking your head. Yeah. And I certainly was not implying that RFKJ was ever a serious contender for VP. I just think, you know, they overlap on a few issues. But with regards to J.D. Vance, he'd been chosen a while ago. He's been completely loyal to the president. And also, it's a real choice. It's a confident choice by Trump. He is saying, I am doubling down on the America first issues that I know that are important, you know, to my supporters.

And if he had chosen a Rubio, that would have just steered the Republican Party right back towards the Uniparty, towards some forever wars, towards a lot of things that the new generation of Republicans do not want to see. We are a far more populist nation than we were in the last few elections. And J.D. Vance speaks to that. Totally. Totally. And look, I am so much more confident with Vance as VP than I am with Rubio as VP. I really, really am. Meanwhile, it's a tale of two campaigns and things just get worse for doddery, dementia-plagued, clearly unwell-controlled President Biden,

who gave a new interview to NBC News where quite rightly he was challenged over his own rhetoric, given that he had just a few days before the attempted assassination attempt spoken about putting a bullseye on Trump. I'm going to play you quite a bit of this because, again, it's really disturbing to see just how much Biden struggles to get through it. He is barely incoherent in point and in points but he's also incredibly hypocritical so watch this instance of those you called your opponent an existential threat on a call a week ago you said it's time to put trump in the bullseye there's some dispute about the context but i think you appreciate i didn't say crosshairs i was talking about focus

on look the truth of the matter was what I guess I was talking about at the time was there was very little focus on Trump's agenda. Yeah, the term is bullseye. It was a mistake to use the word. I didn't say crosshairs. I meant bullseye. I meant focus on him, focus on what he's doing, focus on his policies, focus on the number of lies he told in the debate, focus, I mean, there's a whole range of things that,

look, I'm not the guy that said, I wanna be a dictator on day one. I'm not the guy that refused to accept the outcome of the election. I'm not the guy who said that I wanted to accept the outcome of this election automatically. You can't only love your country when you win. And so the focus was on what he's saying and, I mean, the idea.

But have you taken a step back and done a little soul searching on things that you may have said that could incite people who are not balanced well I don't think look how do you talk about the threat to democracy which is real when the president says things like he says do you just not saying he's a man incite somebody look I I I've not engaged in that rhetoric now my opponent is engaged in that rhetoric. Now, my opponent is engaged in that rhetoric. He talks about there'll be a bloodbath if he loses, talking about how he's going to forgive all the... Actually, I guess suspend the sentences of all those

who were arrested and sentenced to go to jail because of what happened in the Capitol. I'm not out there making fun of, like, when I remember the picture of Donald Trump when Nancy Pelosi's husband was hit with a hammer, talking about, joking about it. This doesn't sound like you're turning down the heat, though. You've talked about the...

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, look, when I'm turning down, we have to stop the whole notion that there are certain things that are contrary to our our democracy connor it's extraordinary i mean if if you just put to one side his troubled delivery and the fact that he's really struggling to even recall words his argument is that, well, yeah, actually, Trump's worse than me. No, you were the one who said eight days before he was nearly shot dead by a apparent madman, likely connected to Antifa, that there should be a bullseye on President Trump. It doesn't actually matter what happened with January 6th. And we know, by the way,

that the bloodbath comment was not at all talking about violence. It was talking about an economic bloodbath if the democratic regime continued. Bear in mind, this is the exact same Joe Biden, I don't know if you can actually remember doing it, who stood up about a year or so ago with a blood-red background saying that half of the country, the MAGA Republicans, are a threat to democracy. They keep toting out this term as well, existential threat to democracy now. I mean, that prefix means that this is a threat to our way of life,

that it is zero-sum, that if Trump wins, this will be, as MSNBC host and all-around idiot Joy Reid said, the second coming of Adolf Hitler himself. And so, if you keep saying that this man is Hitler, Brian Stelter, famous CNN host who was appalling until he got the sack, contributed an essay

to a magazine that had Trump's face photoshopped as Hitler on the front of it only a week or so ago. If you keep saying this man is Adolf Hitler, then it is reasonable to take a crack at him because, remember, the entire mythology of the post-World War order is to stop a second Adolf Hitler

coming to power. I mean, we have a Churchill statue for a reason. It's because Britain prides itself, and America prides itself, on getting involved in the Second World War and attempting to take that power down. So they knew what they were doing when they were doing this, and we know what they're doing, because every time that the right criticizes some transgender activists, they say this is stochastic terrorism. This is going to incite a shooting of a gay nightclub, even though, by the way, there are more per capita transgender shooters than there are white male shooters.

Because, of course, there is because they've been whipping them into a frenzy about a trans genocide as well so all of this is completely bunk and all they want to do is continue to have a carve out to demonize their enemies while taking no culpability for the fact that the president was nearly shot live on television and jennifer it's not just political figures who are proving themselves to be completely hypocritical i want to show you this tweet from the Star Wars actor Mark Howell who commented after Trump appeared with the bandage over his ear because by the way he's had part of his ear blown off permanently gone and he wrote first appearance of ludicrously oversized air bandage apparently not needed prior to tonight with an ear and a laughing face emoji, Jennifer, because, you know, being a millimetre from near certain death is just hilarious for the be kind woke left. What do you

make of it? Well, I mean, look, I'm a free speech absolutist, so I think people have the right to say whatever they want. However, Conor really hits on a good point where he said, if you only consume mainstream media and the media and the Biden administration and indeed, you know, former actors or current actors like Mark Hamill and the rest of Hollywood are constantly telling the American people that Trump is a fascist and a dictator and Hitler-esque. And if he gets elected in 2024, our country is over. There are going to be crazy people out there that are thinking, yes, it's up to me. This is 1935 and I have the chance to stop the next Hitler. So look, the only person responsible for the shooting is the shooter. But a lot of this rhetoric has definitely contributed to it.

And I do not see that clip you just played of Joe Biden as dialing it down in any way. What I did see is, thankfully, since two Thursdays ago, some of the mainstream media are starting to do some actual journalism rather than activism.

And I also see Joe Biden, who I have said for the last year, there is no way he will be the candidate come November. Yeah, the problem is, it's getting too late. He ain't moving. Look, I love seeing, by the way, the woke celebrity left start to eat themselves too. And this has happened brilliantly with the comedian Jack Black, who is one half of the band Tenacious D alongside a bloke called Kyle Glass. And they were on stage in Australia Sunday night. And it was Kyle Glass's birthday.

So Jack Black says to him, it's not a political discussion at all. What's your one wish for your birthday? And this is what happened. Make a wish, Canada. Don't miss Trump next time. Thank you. So that's Kyle Glass saying his one wish on his birthday was for the shooter not to miss Trump next time. So just imagine, by the way, just imagine for a single second this was a right wing commentator or news broadcaster or politician.

It would be leading every news bulletin in the world. This person would be driven out of polite society. But of course, because it's a left-wing figure, and deep down, they all seem to think it's totally acceptable to want Trump dead, there wasn't much reaction. However, when the clip started to go viral on X, and thank God for X and the free speech that Elon Musk has granted us, all of a sudden, Jack Black realizes, hmm, there's a bit of a problem here. I didn't say anything on stage. The audience laughed along, but I want to save my Hollywood career. So in the last hour, Jack Black has now released a statement throwing his bandmate Kyle Glass completely under the bus and saying that Tenacious D are going to halt all their future shows.

He said, I was blindsided by what was said at the show on Sunday. I would never condone hate speech or encourage political violence in any form. After much reflection, I no longer feel it is appropriate to continue the Tenacious D tour. Conor Tomlinson, this is the worst of the hypocritical celebrity movement, isn't it? Quite. I mean, it's really disappointing for me to have pretty much every election, people I generally like or their work that I admire, just routinely fall flat and betray themselves not to be heroic or respectable people. I mean, bear in mind, Mark Hamill

tried to pressure his, reportedly, according to this woman, his daughter-in-law, or at least, I don't think they're married, into having an abortion. So really, really stand-up guy there and has recently come out and turned into the disappointing version

of Luke Skywalker, a sort of doddering old man who just wants to be put down politically, at least, that we saw in The Last Jedi and hated. Then we had Billie Eilish dancing in a graveyard to endorse Biden in 2020, and her music hasn't been the same since. And now we've got Jack Black, who was a staple of my childhood, come out about a week or so before the debate in an American flag set of dungarees, insisting that Joe Biden's brain wasn't leaking out of his ears, and now you've got

his bandmates and i suppose in this sort of mask off moment it shows the sort of company you keep because the first instinct trump had was to jump up punch his fist in the air and say fight the instinct he had when talking to rfk was be exactly as candid as he is when he goes off teleprompter at his speeches he's a consistent man so you can only presume that these are the kinds of conversations that i had offstage at Tenacious D. And I would like to disagree just slightly with Jennifer here, if I may. I do think the entire media and political establishment

are actually culpable for this, as well as the shooter. Because they've been encouraging this for years. They've been saying, take him out. I mean, you had the head of the Lincoln Project saying that someone should put a bullet in him. And they aren't strong enough to do it themselves. They know it would look too bad. They want to outsource the exact kind of crazy people that they know are in their base.

And the reason I say that is because in our polite private conversations, we don't say that sort of thing. We're not delusional. We're not freakish. We just want a peaceful and civilized society and frankly to stop them from preying on our kids and our way of life.

So that is the mask off moment. The fact that there is no reconciling with these people because they would sooner see Trump dead than win an election. Jennifer, final word to you. Look, I agree. The media is a disgrace. Most of them, not all of them, obviously, Dan Wooten. But look, if we were outside the mainstream now, trust me. That's what I said. Except, yeah, outside. And you know what? But if we were to reverse that and every lunatic, every lunatic that, you know, has said something and is a Trump supporter, we're in trouble on that side. But thank you so much for having me. I'm going to have to jump.

Yes, Jennifer, thank you so much. Brilliant to have you, Jennifer Ewing, spokesperson for Republicans Abroad UK. for republicans abroad uk but conor thompson i want you to stay with me because as the super wet tom tuganhart prepares to launch his leadership bid for the conservative party for some reason the tories seem to be throwing out true small c conservatives like you which you revealed in a tweet recently posting the letter as well that you received from cchq so you're now out of the party you say you're not going to cooperate with them throughout this process and in fact you're going to join another political party personally i think it's absolutely insane that they're throwing people like you and Calvin Robinson and Carl Benjamin out of the party. It is madness. But what do you make of the fact that they simply don't seem to be learning any lessons from this Reform UK surge at the most recent election by looking to candidates like Tom Tugendhat, like Victoria

Atkins, who, let me tell you, are not going to do a thing to save the Conservatives. So I will stipulate that I haven't decided if I'm doing another party yet, just because, as you're about to get into with Ben, no doubt, some of the moves at Reform UK and their reshuffle concern me. And so they haven't quite won my £25 a year membership. However, yes, we were sitting at

natcon we were about two hours out from suella's speech and both myself and my colleague at lotus feats carl benjamin got emails that we had been kicked out of the conservative party we were not given a list of reasons yet and i only assume it's my greatest hits so i'm probably gonna stand by every single one of them the reason that i just shared the email is because I know the outcome of the investigation. And I shared this off just before actually, Richard Holden had resigned as party chairman. This seems to have been the sort of deathbed wish for his career. I knew the outcome of this investigation. I know what it's going to be because the Conservative Party is remaining impenetrable and inflexible to pardon the pun reform they do not want to course correct they are listening to losers like tobias elwood and andy street and robert buckland of the one nation

caucus who go out there and say we must continue to win elections from the center and it's like sorry you lurched too far to the right 1.2 million immigrants every year is too far to the right net zero too far to the right continuing the transgender agenda with tabling conversion therapy bans or banning people from silently praying in their head on the street corners near abortion facilities is too far to the right, is it? You're all ludicrous and you deserve that thundering loss. It's just a shame that great conservatives like Andrew Jenkins and Miriam Cates suffered because of the radioactive brand and too many wets stayed in. Now, on the leadership competition, I think Tom Tugendhat is going to launch his candidacy

because he's a favourite of the sort of military-industrial-complex-warmongering cohort. But I think what's going to happen is he's going to fold in behind Kemi Badenoch. And I'm telling you now, everyone that's putting up Kemi Badenoch as a right-wing candidate, don't fall for it. She refused to commit to the European Research Group's bonfire of Brexit legislation. Gove has been in her corner for quite some time. Even cabinet ministers have mentioned this to me, that they do not trust her, direct quote. And I think what's going to happen is she's going to look like the sensible compromise that's going to critique Rishi Sunak, as we saw those leaks from the Times, from the shadow

cabinet, but not go as far as the brave and actually very pleasant Suella Braveman. And so what I think is going to happen is Suella, she's probably not going to defect to reform because she has to represent the Conservative Party because that's what she was elected to do. But I wouldn't be shocked if they give her the Lee Anderson treatment and send her and actual Conservatives like myself elsewhere.

I couldn't agree more with that analysis. Kemi Badenoch is the definition of controlled opposition. She is not to be trusted. Yes, there's a Stop Suella movement going on, but actually the real conservatives within the Conservative Party are desperate to stop Kemi because they know she's a Michael Gove stooge, she's a CCHQ stooge, and actually she's not going to bring the sort of fundamental change that is needed for that party. The only person who probably would, Suella Braverman, as you say, is just never going to get through the MP round. And I think it is

quite possible that there is a scenario where she ends up in Reform UK, but only time will tell. And look, Connor, I've got to get a final word from you on this extraordinary clip that has gone viral of Harry and Meghan being heckled on their way out of the ESPY award so this is when he won the Pat Tillman award against the wishes of Pat Tillman's own mother the American war hero who famously defected from the NFL in order to go and fight for the US in Afghanistan and was killed in a friendly fire incident in 2004 it was. But as you can see when they are leaving the venue there's quite a reaction from the crowd including someone who yells out go back to Britain. Listen to this. What do you reckon? Is it over for Harry in America now that he's been heckled at these

sorts of events, Connor? I think the media love affair with them is done by the fact that they're going around all of the major work institutions, cap in hand, looking for work. And look, the general sentiment while I was at NatCon, interacting with the members of our former colony was that when these guys came up in conversation, it's because they brought them up. And they made a joke of them. Our institutions have been dragged through the mud by our government by our media by our civil service for

years. And so we don't need the royal family, which exoterically is a bastion of british tradition also dirtied by the association with harry and megan by that and so i think that love affair with the media that has gone sour might go sour within the former house of windsor too but i don't wish to wish too much about my relationship i just wish they would shut up and slink off into obscurity indeed conor tomlinson so great to have you making your debut appearance on outspoken and of course your show tomlinson talks can be found on the brilliant lotus eaters now stand by because we're going in depth with the former reform uk deputy leader ben habib in literally one minute first though what's so

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rather than playing political parlour games, this is actually an opportunity to go in depth with the successful businessman to find out how he thinks Britain can be saved. And Ben Habib, it is an absolute pleasure to have you today. around the internet of the new US vice presidential candidate, J.D. Vance, suggesting half-jokingly that the UK could become the world's first Islamist nuclear power. I played it in my digest, but let's have another look. By the way, I have to beat up on the UK just one additional thing. I was talking with a friend recently, and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn't care about it. And I was talking about, you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon? And we were like, maybe it's Iran, you know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts. And then we sort of finally decided maybe it's actually the UK since labor just took over but

but to my Tory friends I have to say um you guys have got to get a handle on this but now Ben look I know he was joking right but he has been immediately lambasted as racist and dangerous. So isn't there a really serious point here that we seem completely unable to discuss demographic change unless you're prepared to become sort of a devil-like figure in the corrupt British mainstream media? So I think he was obviously using satire to make a point. By the way, very good to be on the show again. Thank you, Ben. Great to have you back. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you for having me. Yeah, he was using satire to drive the point home. And I think it's a very serious point.

And the point, the way I take the point, is that the United Kingdom, having really expunged sectarianism from its politics pretty much, even in Northern Ireland, you know, we settled the position. There are still big debates that take place, but sectarianism had gone out of British politics, and now it's back with a vengeance. And we see it being given succor by Keir Starmer. And I will not forget Keir Starmer addressing, you know, on Armistice

Day, those who come to celebrate and mourn, you know, our military who died to protect this country with his poppy proudly on, then going to a gathering of Muslims later that afternoon with his poppy off. And that sends a number of signals. The first is that there's a difference between those who attended the cenotaph and those who were in the Muslim gathering, a difference in their attitude to the United Kingdom and what it means to be British, because how can you be British irrespective of your religion and somehow be ashamed of the poppy? Not everyone needs to wear a poppy. You don't need to, you know, I'm not into big virtue signaling. But the fact that Keir Starmer recognized he had to take it off sends a big signal about what's going on in our domestic politics. And we've seen that

in this recent election with four or five MPs being elected because of their view on Gaza, not because of their view on British domestic policy, which is what elections should be fought on, not on what's happening in a war over which we have close to zero influence. And of course, Gaza is not just about Gaza. It's about that soft or increasingly hard Muslim vote. It's garnering votes from the Muslim community based on the fact that it is Muslim. So sectarianism is back in the UK. And I think that's what, you know, he was basically identifying. And we need to be very careful about it. Very careful. And is there an issue just with the numbers,

Ben? If you look back, you know, the Muslim population used to be a tiny percentage of the uk and actually if we continue on this growth path there could be 34 million muslims in the uk but by the 20s or does that not matter no of course it matters i mean the way that the demography change is changing matters but here's something which is remarkable. And if you bear with me, it takes a bit of explaining, but if you bear with me. So diversity, equality and inclusion is the government's policy ostensibly put in place to protect and promote minority rights, including principally ethnic minorities. And that's all well and good. But the way diversity, equality and inclusion has come to be practiced is through the promotion of those ethnic minorities, religious minorities and so on, to the detriment of the majority. And all ethnic minorities, minor religions, sexual preferences, whatever, have been lumped into this DEI bracket, and they're all promoted equally,

and the majority is ignored. So DEI, those who benefit from DEI policies, are in a special place, or collectively they're in a special place in the British economic, cultural, and legislative structure. Now, when you put 4 million muslims 200 000 jews a number of gay people a number of transgender people who are very very small in number all in one grouping and you separate them it is the largest grouping in that subset that is going to dominate and And so the Muslim vote, if you like, the Muslim category that's protected, promoted, and celebrated by DEI, actually is now dominating all minority groups. And because it's protected

by virtue of being in DEI, it actually has become unassailable. So even though the population of Muslims in this country, but by the way, I've got nothing against Muslims, you know, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. But even though the population of Muslims in this country is only 4 million, because they're in this protected category, and because they're the biggest component of that protected category, they are now having a disproportionate impact on discourse in this country and the way that this country behaves politically and culturally and in other spheres. Islam is coming to have a very dominant effect in the United Kingdom. And that's because it is the biggest majority in the minority.

Does that make sense? It does. It makes perfect sense and look of course it goes without saying that we can have a conversation like this without needing to justify that we have no issue with individual muslims but so often, Ben, when folk do have conversations like this, the Islamophobic word is used. And I just want to raise a point that I spoke about earlier because I'm interested in your view. So when people say that I could be Islamophobic, can I respond and say, well, I'm incredibly worried about the fact that every single piece of polling that is done on this issue shows that over 50% of Muslim people in the UK are homophobic and have zero tolerance for homosexuals, which obviously I am. Can a woman say that they have huge concerns about

the fact that they are pushed out of leadership positions in the muslim world and that there is the increasing introduction in some parts of the uk of sharia law by the back door are we allowed to say that without being accused of islamophobia this is partly related but partly relates to what I've just been saying, which is that DEI, diversity, equality and inclusion, places all Muslims in this special category and makes them virtually immune, like all the other categories within them, within DEI, immune from criticism and being challenged, because DEI exists in order to celebrate and promote

their interests. And because they're the largest group, they get celebrated and promoted the most and they become unassailable and unquestionable. And I just declare something straight away. My dad's Punjabi. My dad is a Muslim. He's a non-practicing Muslim, but he is a Muslim. I have lots of muslim friends but they are not they're not the ones at issue it's the it's the minority extreme muslims if you like and i think we need to look very carefully at what islam is because islam is not one religion it's not a settled religion right across the board you have you have sufis you have shias you have sunnis you have the harbis and you have different forms of islam and if you look at the middle east the middle east itself is riven

with division over islam islam is not a settled unified religion and it is the more extremist elements in this country which have been given all the same protection as the completely moderate, perfectly reasonable human beings with whom we're accustomed to rubbing shoulders. And you're absolutely right, if I may say so, that Sharia law is being practiced. It's tolerated in this country. It is fine for Sharia law to be applied as long as it doesn't conflict with British law. But actually only one form of law should apply in the United Kingdom, and that is British law. And we lose sight of what's important in the United Kingdom if we start giving succor to different forms of legislation, even if that's because our own legislation doesn't provide for anything specific

in that regard. And just on the point of Islamophobia, and this really gets me down, it's the way language is so often used to, I've got two more points to make. The first is on how language is used to shut down debate. The word phobia means an irrational fear. So when you put Islam and phobia together, you're saying it's irrational to have a debate about Islam. Many, many Muslim scholars want to debate Islam. They want to debate what it is that the different tenets of Islam hold to be true, and which ones should be given more soccer to, which ones should be promoted, which ones should be debated more aggressively. Muslims want to have that that debate but we're not allowed to have that debate because of

the word islamophobia because all muslims are put together in one category and protected under this altar of dei and the last thing i want to say is that we see how this plays out in the United Kingdom, because it gives people like Sadiq Khan cover to say at least 40% of the Met should be from ethnic minorities, which, if you turn it on its head, would be the equivalent of a white person saying, a white Christian person saying, 60% of the Met should be white and Christian. And if a white person were to say that, they would be cancelled. They, you know, perhaps the only place that they would have free reign to speak

would be on your channel. You know, but Sadiq Khan can get away with saying at least 40% of the Met should be from an ethnic minority because he's got this protected status. And we are damaging the fabric of our society. The schisms in the United Kingdom are coming, in my view, because of the celebration, embedding, promotion, championing of minority ethnicities and so on

over and above to the detriment of our own culture. Sorry, there's one more thing, Dan, forgive me. There's one more thing I want to say. On the Palestinian marches, you will often see lesbians for Palestine and you will see... Queers for Palestine. Queers for Palestine. And I've tried to rationalise that because I thought to myself,

these people can't be completely daft. They must know that if they were to go and live in Gaza, you know, the first people... You'd have your head chopped off and be thrown off at the top of a building. Absolutely. Hamas would have no tolerance for you but i think it's because they're in association through dei that they somehow see it as acceptable to go in march because palestine is a minority issue so if you're a minority lesbian

and you're really not very bright you think well i'll get on that bandwagon and i'll champion that minority issue but as you rightly say you will be given no truck. You know, I went to speak to the Jewish community in North London a few weeks ago, and I explained to them how DEI was working against the Jewish community, and they couldn't see it. They thought the Jewish community were being protected by DEI because they're a minority religious belief. They're a minority race in the United Kingdom and DEI protects them. But it doesn't. It only protects the biggest component within that minority definition. I'm sorry, I've labored the point, but I think it's really important to try to understand how it is.

It is incredibly important. I guess the only thing that i might disagree with you on is you talk about the extremist minority but i guess by raising those opinion polls i just wanted to make the point that actually it's not always an extremist minority the majority of muslims do not believe homosexuals should exist in the uk the majority of muslims do not believe homosexuals should exist in the UK. The majority of Muslims do not believe that women should take on leadership roles. So that's just the one area where I sometimes question.

It's not always just the extremist minority here. It's very often the over- There are some basic beliefs which there are some basic beliefs, you know, pillars which are problematic. Exactly. And we saw that clip before the election of Angela Rayner begging for the Muslim vote in a room completely full of men. There are lots of issues there. But look, can I ask you about this personally?

Because I do wonder if you find it easier to have these discussions as a non-white man. And can you talk a little bit about how you got here? What was your political path to be able to have the bravery of these sorts of conversations, given that actually, Ben, you didn't need to. You're a very successful businessman. There was no onus on you to enter this highly controversial and divisive political arena. So just a bit of background on me, Dan, so it's clear to the viewers. My dad's Punjabi and Pakistani.

My mother is British, blonde and blue eyed. Or she was blonde before she went grey. But she was blonde, blue eyed and born in Isleworth. And her father fought in the Somme. And my paternal grandfather actually grew up on a farm. He had a very humble, very genuinely humble, you know, background in Pakistan. So I am half Pakistani by ethnic origin and half British. And I'm very proud of my Pakistani background.

But I am British through and through. I feel British. I think, I think as any true British citizen would think, which is with pride about my country, pride about the contribution this country has made to the world and so on. And what I've seen in my political journey amongst many other things is an antipathy, a shame by British citizens of their own past, of their own history, how it is that we came to be what we are today as a nation, a preparedness and even a desire to smother that of which we should be so protective, which is British culture, British history, British values, which, you know, remember, we are the country that at the zenith of its power abolished the slave trade,

we're the country that had the agrarian revolution started here, the industrial revolution started here, many of the great advances in science and everything else was made in the United Kingdom because of British culture, promotion of diversity of thought and so on. And all of that is being hijacked on the altar of the promotion of these minority interests and so on. When you promote a minority over and above and to the detriment of the majority,

one, you shut down honest debate, as we've just discussed. So diversity of thought goes straight out of the window. You have to bow down to these other cultures and accept those other cultures for what they are, because that is part of celebrating them. So that's the first thing. Debate goes out of the window. The second thing that goes out of the window is economic prosperity, because you cease to recruit and promote those people who are the best at the jobs that you wish them to do. And you start doing it based on the color of their skin and whatever they might believe, etc.

And we saw this with the RAF. We see it, you know, they spent 1.7 million pounds trying to recruit ethnic minority jet fighter pilots. They weren't interested in getting white guys. I mean, who cares what color your jet fighter pilot is? You want someone who can fly a jet, you know, and do it the best that they can do it. And so for me, all of this is symptomatic of a country that will be eviscerated if we don't get a grip of it. It's very serious. The Tories brush it off as a, oh, it's a culture war. Don't be so pathetic. Don't be so childish.

It's a culture. It goes to the heart of the existence of the nation state of the United Kingdom. The definition of a nation state, a definition of a society, includes having a settled culture. And we are trashing our culture. And we're trashing it through hijacking the language, hijacking our our history promoting foreign cultures over and above into the detriment of our own culture and so on and so forth and so in my political journey it's been a revelation that this is how it's taking place and and I'm very lucky because I am brown and I can say the things I've just said without I hope getting

cancelled and and therefore I see it more as my duty, Dan, to speak up because I've got some protection. I'm afforded protection through the same DEI policy that therefore allows me to speak up. And I'm therefore obliged to speak up volubly because I have the ability to do it. Absolutely. And look, I totally agree that the Conservative Party have allowed this to happen over the past 14 years, which is ludicrous and it could kill their party.

You know, I am pretty confident actually, and I know a lot can change in five years, but I'm pretty confident that there's a strong chance of a Prime Minister Farage in 2029 because you look at the direction of travel for example with le pen in france and the same thing has happened with the reform uk movement here but it but and this is a big but it's going to get so much worse ben over the next five years under this labor government. So what is your prescription? I mean, if you are a Brit watching this and feeling absolutely despondent,

and I know so many of us are, about the direction of our country, what is the solution? How can Britain be saved? So the only way, in my view, this is going to sound ridiculous perhaps, but the only way Britain can be saved is to return to office in power a government formed of people who have the same values as Reform UK. In other words, return Reform UK into government. forms a government, it will then be able to get out of the European Court of Human Rights, abolish DEI and make sure that everyone is treated as being equal and that there's no

inequality in society, no matter what color your skin is and so on. Be proud of the United Kingdom. Teach our history accurately and in context. Yeah, sure, we did some stuff in the past we're not proud of but actually on the whole we were the best power um that the best empire that ever existed on the face of the earth and spend huge amounts of prosperity do all these things if reform comes to power our principal i think effort will be in repealing loads and loads of laws and regulations that have been made to dumb down that which is the United Kingdom. So it will be a matter of repealing. Most governments don't repeal.

They just pass more and more laws. They try and patch up a bad law by passing another law. And, you know, you get law upon law upon law, and you just, you know, make everything worse. We just repeal, repeal, repeal. And I often say to people, if you want a legislative agenda, if you can't think of what a legislative agenda you should have and you want one, look at everything Tony Blair did and repeal it. You might make a few mistakes, but on the whole, your country will end up basically in a good place.

Absolutely fascinating. I think then a lot of people will be happy with your answer there because i think one thing that i've really picked up and all of the outrage over you losing the job as reform uk deputy leader is that folk are worried about a divided Reform UK movement. They feel like they still want you in the tent. And one of the problems in the past, of course, has been so many splits on the right. So you're still talking about Reform UK as a collective. You're still saying you're part of it. You're still saying we.

So that gives people some hope that actually there is a way forward for you in the party potentially look i mean i never left the party and i without wishing to bang my own drum it was richard tyson me that spearheaded the effort to get the party from six percent in the polls which is where it was when i joined 16% before the general election. You did a brilliant job. Yeah, we did a really good job, actually. And I'm going to go on fighting for that cause. My only criticism, and it's a constructive criticism, and one that I have made publicly, but it's something that I felt was necessary, was that Reform UK needs to democratise. You know, you can't form a government in 2029 with a political party controlled by one individual, as much as I love Nigel. You simply can't do it. You know, how can

you have a government owned by one guy? It doesn't make any sense, right? So we've got to democratize. We've got to get on with it now. We've got to get those structures in place now. It'll take years to bed down those new structures, to get a genuinely grown-up political party fit to govern. So we've got to get on with it full speed. And that's the only pressure I'm bringing on Reform UK, is to democratise and get on with it. I don't care, and I swear I mean this, I've said this, repeat, I never wanted to be deputy leader.

When Richard asked me to be deputy leader, I took three or four weeks over making my decision. And I'm very happy to be the bog cleaner as long as I get an opportunity to champion the values and the policies of Reform UK. And as long as those policies and values stay, you know, with what believe in and i i can't see how they're going to change so i'm i'm a real i'm a big proponent of reform uk i'm also very pleased slight digression dan but today jim allister who is leader of the tuv and was returned to parliament um as well alongside reform uk mps has agreed to take reform uk's with in all matters associated with the alliance that we have with reform uk and i am utterly delighted by that it sends a number of signals to me the first is that nigel and the leadership still believe in the alliance

with the tuv which means that we will be fighting for the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And we cannot be a country if we don't fight for a significant territorial part of our country. I know that sounds absurd to have to say it, but that is true. So we're going to make the fight for the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Commons. And the second thing that makes me really pleased about that is that we will be the biggest voice for unionism in the commons bigger than the democratic unionist party of northern ireland and the democratic unionist party of northern ireland who are a bit like the tories they talk all the right things but do all the wrong things if you don't mind me saying so they will have to now man up and be proper unionists so instead of all the accusations being made before the election that,

oh, you're going to split the unionist vote in Northern Ireland if TUV stand, actually, we're going to emerge from that election with a much, much stronger voice for the union in Parliament. And that is critical. What are we if we are not the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? That is the United Kingdom. But I think a lot of people will pick up on your words where you've said you still love Nigel. So that's positive. Of course. Give him a kiss and a cuddle if he walks into the room.

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