Dan Wootton Outspoken - REFORM UK'S RICHARD TICE SLAMS DAVID LAMMY FOR SAYING NET ZERO MORE IMPORTANT THAN TERROR

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

Britain’s most dangerous man today said that Nut Zero is more of a threat than terrorism. The Trump-hating, Mastermind flop thicko David Lammy, who Slippery Starmer inexplicably made Foreign Secretary, should be focussed on stopping World War Three. Dan reveals why he agrees with Reform UK’s deputy leader Richard Tice about Loony Lammy in a blistering Digest. Then his Superstar Panel – Leilani Dowding and June Slater – weigh in. PLUS: Outrage as a Rotherham victim is CENSORED by a judge after calling for her persecutor to be deported to Pakistan AND: Leilani Dowding opens up about her tears over BBC paedo Huw Edwards escaping justice THEN: Angela Levin with the latest royal news To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

🎵 We'll be right back. We'll be right back. so so so so no spin no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wharton. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 53. And to support our brand new independent news venture, please hit subscribe right now and turn on your notification bells. Britain's most dangerous man today said that Nut Zero is more of a threat than terrorism and the MSM

went gaga for it. That he wants climate and biodiversity to be at the very centre of UK foreign policy under his leadership and he reiterated that multiple times saying that although he's been kept very busy with conflict and the migration crisis and things like that, his true mission was to ensure that it was worked towards addressing climate change and adapting to it both through fossil fuel projects and things like that, but also improving biodiversity to adapt to the threats of climate change, we're going to be central to his department's agenda for the rest of this. Oh, are they just?

The Trump-hating, mastermind-flop, thicko David Lammy, whose slippery stomach inexplicably made Foreign Secretary, should surely be focused on stopping World War III. So I'm going to reveal why I agree with Reform UK Deputy Leader Richard Tice about Looney Lammy in a blistering digest next, and I'll show you how we have the village idiot now representing us on the world stage. Then my superstar panel, Lalani Daldeen and June Slater weigh in. Also coming up today, outrage as a Rotherham victim is censored by a judge

after calling for her persecutor to be deported to Pakistan. Plus, Lalani opens up about her tears over BBC pedo Hugh Edwards escaping justice. Someone has pictures of children being raped and then they don't spend a single day in jail i don't understand how that's justice and our royal mastermind angela levin with the latest royal news including why prince harry's paranoia is growing as he continues to record the paparazzi while other big celebrities deal with it just fine. Then in the uncancelled after show today, a royal special. Why the man who exposed the bullying investigation into Meghan Markle within the royal family believes there are stunning parallels with her newly reported Hollywood bad behaviour.

You're not going to want to miss that one. You can register to watch right now at www.outspoken.live. It is a safe space, free of censorship. Your support at just £5 a month if you register today not only gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday, it allows me to continue making this independent daily news show and means that you no longer have to rely on the crooked and corrupt MSM for your news ever again. Let's go. I warned that this communist Labour government was going to be bad, but I have to say that even I have been stunned by the depths of stupidity that they have managed to plumb after just

three months in charge. Nothing has been more damaging to the UK, however, than the appointment of a legitimate numbskull called David Lammy to the critical role of Foreign Secretary under Tutekir Stama. Now, I don't know how many people realise that the neocons are marching us blindly into World War III. Looney Lamy, rather than helping to start it, should be focused night and day on avoiding that horrendous calamity at any cost. Instead, this fool has decided he has one mission. Nut zero.

As this spoof-like headline read today, it's in the Daily Telegraph, not the Onion, I promise you, climate change, a more fundamental threat than terrorism, Lammy To Warn. linked. Stop wasting money on ridiculous gimmicks like that! But actually, it got worse when Looney Lamy started talking. We will take a phased and inclusive approach to building the alliance, listening to those leading the way on clean power and those who share our ambitions. But the shared goal is clear, making net zero power a reality everywhere. Change is critical if we're serious. There is no pathway to countries' development

aspirations without climate resilience, action on the nature crisis and access to clean energy and no pathway to a sustainable future without development that leaves no one behind. He is the Foreign Secretary. But of course, Labour's client journalists at Sly News, home of the climate change show, naturally lapped up such ludicrous messaging. That he wants climate and biodiversity to be at the very centre of UK foreign policy under his leadership.

And he reiterated that multiple times, saying that although he's been kept very busy with conflict and the migration crisis and things like that, his true mission was to ensure that it was worked towards addressing climate change and adapting to it, both through fossil fuel projects and things like that, but also improving biodiversity to adapt the threats of climate change we're going to be central to his department's agenda

for the rest of this so thank goodness for reform uk whose deputy leader richard tice pointed out in teenage girl language which i love by way, because I'm always using this term. OMG! Our Foreign Secretary Lammy thinks greatest overseas threat is climate change, not war or terror. He is competing with Miliband as Britain's most dangerous man. Well, Richard, I'm actually going to go one step further. And I'm going to say he's not competing. David Lammy is Britain's most dangerous man because his hard left political philosophy is combined with stupidity that simply shouldn't be allowed around the cabinet table. IQ test this man now. If you don't believe me, let me show you Lammy campaigning to overturn the biggest ever democratic vote in British history.

But you have to have the option to remain in the European Union for the option to leave. But, you know, Mr. Dowd's colleague in the Treasury team, John McDonnell, says the option to remain is not something that Labour is prepared to offer the voters. Well, my own view is that that would be a betrayal of Labour members. Oh, a betrayal of Labour members. Well, what about the betrayal of the 17.4 million Leave voters who you attempted to disenfranchise? This is a man who truly believed Jeremy Corbyn would make a great Prime Minister. I so wished that Bernie would have been alive to see his great friend Jeremy Corbyn become leader of the Labour Party.

And just wait when you hear what our Foreign Secretary said about Nigel Farage and the man who should be America's next president if he's not assassinated by the deep state before Election Day, Donald Trump. He wrote in 2020, desperate and deluded, like two con men who have been publicly exposed trying to sell their pyramid scheme one last time the world will breathe an enormous sigh of relief when this double act fades into irrelevance populist nationalism is on its way out i mean that was a stupid prediction too, right? And I mean, look, when I say stupid, I'm not being mean. I just really mean it. Policing has vanished.

It's not around you. We haven't seen a police while I've been here, and I've been here for a little while now. Police... Nothing, nothing can top his catastrophic mastermind performance. What was the married name of the scientist Marie and Pierre who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1903 for their research into radiation? Antoinette.

Curie. James Gandolfini played a mafia boss called Tony in which American television series? Godfather. The Sopranos, which variety of blue English cheese traditionally accompanies port? Leicester. Stilton. Who acceded to the English throne at the age of nine on the death of his father, Henry VIII, in 1547?

Henry VII. Edward VI. In chemistry, what French word is used for a tube for transferring measured amounts of liquids? Pass. What was the married name of the scientist... Now, that TV appearance actually got a mention from the conservative leadership hopeful kemi badenog when she was asked about lammy's insane nut zero

agenda today a couple more questions i want to ask you very briefly uh david lammy was saying the foreign secretary currently giving a speech saying climate action will be central to the foreign office he's forming a new climate coalition internationally says this is a bigger threat uh to the into the to the world uh than threat of autocratic leaders like vladimir putin or terrorism um do you agree with him or is that a completely he is not a serious man he is not a serious man by any stretch of the imagination and this goes back to his you know appearance on mastermind, where he said Henry VII succeeded Henry VIII. This is who is representing us on the world stage. What is our biggest challenge now?

It is a coalition of authoritarian states that are acting and collaborating against Western interests, including the UK's interests. That is the biggest challenge. Of course, climate change is a challenge, but it's not him having a group of people sitting in a meeting that's going to fix that. That's what we've been doing for the last 10, 15 years. He's talking about COP26. Many of the commitments that were made there, other countries aren't following through. Why are they not following through? Simply saying we're going to do this without having a plan is silly. The plan that we put in place ended up enriching china and is de-industrializing the uk as business secretary these were one of some of the things

that i worked very hard to try and solve it's very virtually impossible to solve with the targets and commitments that we've made we need to look at all of this from uh you would drop the net zero targets and put prioritize economic growth well economic without economic, we're not going to hit net zero. Without economic growth, we're not going to hit net zero. A couple more questions for you. Look, I'm actually with Julia on this one. It is one or the other. So while Kemi is absolutely right when it comes to the total disdain she has for Lammy the man,

she doesn't have disdain for the economically destructive nut zero. So yet again, it's only Reform UK truly fighting to keep the UK's lights on, which will actually be a miracle to keep the lights on if we're subjected to five years of loony-lammy. But now, let me bring in today's superstar panel. Oh, and I am delighted to be joined today by June Slater, who is a businesswoman, a YouTube sensation, and a voice of sanity to many around the UK, and Lalani Daldin, who is a reality TV star and now a social commentator who went viral all over the world yesterday. And Lalani, we're going to speak to you about that later.

But June Slater, I can only imagine your blood pressure rising when you hear David Lammy, Looney Lammy, saying that as Foreign Secretary, the thing he is going to be most focused on, June, is not going to be stopping World War III and the neocon march towards that, but rather making sure every other country destroys themselves with net zero, or nut zero, as I call it. Well, I think he showed himself in his true colors on mastermind named the famous scientist what did he come with marie antoinette yeah i think that's because he's

always thinking about cake i mean who's buying his suits it looks like he comes out to a meeting in those suits you know where jimmy's gone to school and his mother said you'll make that suit last till end of term he buttons it up in the middle and then he's got those black trainers on going to meetings in trainers so he's obviously got bad feet he's carrying far too much weight and he's telling us how we should live he's telling us how to create net zero I think get your own carbon footprint down and put a few less things in your mouth. That might help because we're supposed to not eat meat now. We're supposed to eat insects to help with this. It's a nutcase.

We've known it was a nutcase. It accused me of being a racist because I had white dogs years ago when we were fighting Brexit. And it said in a response... What? Okay, back up, June. You're going to have to explain that one for us. He said I was a racist. In fact for us. He said I was a racist.

In fact, I think he said I was a Nazi. He said it was to do with the fact I only had white dogs. And I said, well, they only come in one colour. They're called West Highland Whites. The clues in the name. They don't come in any other colours. It was a dispute, know an argument a debate whatever you want to call it about brexit years ago because obviously it's anti-brexit don't

believe in democracy it doesn't believe in healthy nutrition it doesn't believe in being able to power your own home through cold spells it doesn't believe in the pensioners having a winter fuel allowance it doesn't believe pensioners should be able to hang on to their own homes because he also voted against the winter fuel allowance and they've taken the cap off the social care, now it's a free-for-all, Nana's house, we don't need to worry where Nana's house is going, it's going to the Labour Party in government, so Lamy, it's embarrassing, I have to apologise to people from abroad that know me, especially when they're in from Austria. And they go, Juni, who is the man with the, that goes to all the foreign trips? I said, oh, this is our foreign secretary, David Lamy.

They think he's visiting us. They don't think he comes from here because he knows so little about the country. He never says anything that makes any sense he's he's absolutely he's a fruit wombat yeah i can't even i can't even get angry with him because it's it's like you know carrying the community politics well i know but this is the difficulty isn't it lalani because obviously on the one hand there is that this guy is completely mad, completely thick. I mean, I don't say that lightly. Really, really not a smart man. He proved that on Mastermind.

But there's also something really sinister and worrying about this, where we see what's happening with, for example, Ukraine. There's another 600 million pounds forever wars that's what the neocon want but we have lami not talking about trying to stop that and certainly not the threat of islamic terrorism which he doesn't discuss at all which is what i am completely focused on and utterly scared of and i think we all should be here in the uk yet he says actually no no the most important thing i'm going to do as foreign secretary is not zero even though we already have another nutty bloke ed miller band focused entirely on that well this is what is scary and

honestly dan i think he has to be a dei hire there is no other reason that he should be in this government or in the position he's in. And it is scary. We now have two important people in the Labour Party who just simply focused on net zero and green energy and nothing else. They can't see anything else. And again, as I always say, you've got to follow the money here. We know one of their huge backers was um vince who has massive interests in uh you know green energy and so forth so we need to look at where the money is going to who's getting these contracts what's happening because if you ask any of the british people they will say their biggest concerns are terrorism and going to war how can they not be with the climate that we're in?

And I don't mean climate as in the weather. I mean, the climate with the war, the pressure, this pressure cooker that's building up. And, you know, honestly, it is absolutely insane to me that this guy is able to just, he's been put in that position. He's been put in that position and it's crazy yeah well especially given his publicly held views on donald trump i mean the moment trump is elected as i say if he actually lives to the election which is a genuine worry of mine another

big concern if the election uh goes fairly and we do get Trump back in the White House then you can imagine this is immediately going to become a massive issue for the UK because Trump won't deal with that guy after all of the revolting things he said now there's also a big issue in terms of popularity with this Labour government so look at what happened when Slippery Starmer went out to the races. today. Choose your fighter, he says June. And it is quite a contrast, isn't it? Well, what we can't get over, no matter how much they try to disrespect Nigel Farage, is he is the people's choice.

It's as simple as that. 98 seats, they came second. That means that if all those apathetic people that didn't vote this time come out next time to vote, then you really have a serious opposition. They're the only serious opposition now anyway. So the thing about Nigel, he's got this charisma. He can talk to people. He talks to them, not at them. And that's what's missing. That's why your show is so popular because you talk to people, not at them. These other presenters like with Sky News, they talk at people. We know better

than you listen to us. Whereas when you're listening to Nigel, you feel you're with him in the room and he's talking to you. You're so right, actually. And I mean, look at what Lamy said, Lulani, about Nigel and Trump. He couldn't have been more wrong. Describing them as two con men, saying they've been publicly exposed, that they were trying to sell their pyramid scheme one last time in 2020. Well, that is actually a delusional comment. Lammy is the one that is deluded because I don't believe Trump or Farage are even close to finished.

No, and you know what? If you look at the popularity, you can see that people dislike Keir Starmer immensely. He's getting name called all the time. You don't see that with Nigel. You just I saw other things where other videos of another Labour MP in another part of the country being heckled until he was pushed out of a pub. People don't like Labour because they know that they're liars. They know that they aren't following through on any of the things that they said. They've relied on people that have voted for Labour historically, assuming that they're going to be the same Labour Party. And they're not. These are people that don't care about the working class of England and they've prioritised themselves. So, you know, I think what he said, he should probably look at Donald Trump

and look at Nigel and see that the charisma they have and see how people actually really get behind those two guys. He's very bitter and he's obviously very jealous of their popularity. Yeah, totally. And they're not going anywhere. Let me, that's the thing. You're the one actually who people are sick of already. Now breaking right now, a shocking development when it comes to the UK's two-tier justice system. A Rotherham rape gang survivor was ordered by a judge to remove a demand for her abusers to be deported in her courtroom victim impact statement. Now, this story has been revealed by Charlie Peters at GB News, who has been on this story for a long time.

There are the seven men who received a huge amount of jail time, quite rightly in a story ignored by the mainstream media last week. But at the Sheffield Crown Court, the victim was unable to say what she wanted to do because of a ruling from the judge. Now, GB News has actually obtained the original copy of the speech that she intended to deliver, which had several sections crossed out due to restrictions ordered by the judge. Now, what this woman wanted to say to the man who had groomed and raped her from a young age was, I'd like to request that after sentencing and upon Ruby and Shuabi Mohammed Ahmad, that is Ruby. He is 42, convicted of two counts of indecent assault and sentenced to 14 years imprisonment.

Soala Braverman, the former Home Secretary, has responded to this development saying, For too long, women have been let down by the justice system and the grooming gang scandal continues to be a national disgrace. Justice would be better served by speeding up cases, many of which were over a decade old. And Lee Anderson, the Reform UK MP for Ashfield, went further, saying, for far too long, these Pakistani grooming gangs have got away with grooming and raping young English girls, whilst the police and social services have been very slow to act. It would now appear that even when these vile perverts are caught that our justice system still puts the perpetrators before the victims no ifs or buts if they were born in a different country send them back straight away so lalani doubting this is an extraordinary story on so

many levels i mean the fact that it was only charlie peters from gb news the lone journalist sitting in that sheffield courtroom last week is a complete disgrace congratulations for charlie given he has doggedly covered the story but i cannot believe that we now have judges censoring victim impact statements, Lani, not because what this woman, what this poor victim wanted to say was in any way going to prejudice any other court case, but simply because her words are not palatable to the woke elite. Well, it's unacceptable. The whole judiciary system in this country needs to be looked at and it needs

to be reviewed because this is a victim and if you're going to allow a victim to make a victim impact statement then allow her to say what she damn well wants don't start censoring the bloody victim this is unacceptable dan it's you know how many more times can you hurt these victims aside from the fact you know years ago they weren't believed now they have believed now they go to court the guys get and she cannot say what she wants to say because it's not palatable it's not right with the woke establishment it's not you know it's it's just unacceptable if you're going to allow a victim to give a victim impact statement let the victim say what they wish to say and you're right as well about um charlie being the only person that's

going to be there i think this has become so common it's almost like it's being normalized this is a horrific what happened and these events to this woman as an 11 year old are so horrific yet i think it's just something oh another one why cover it it's just another one um we'll just get the information second hand and it's the media the the mainstream media the judiciary system it's horrific and i don't trust any of it one single iota june i actually wonder if lilani is being too fair there to the mainstream media, because I actually think what the mainstream media is doing here is far more sinister and far more corrupt. I believe they do not cover these cases because it does not fit the narrative that they want to give because june the moment that it was white working class people

being sent to prison for tweets and facebook posts after the southport massacre sly news was more than happy bbc was more than happy itv was more than happy to send its reporters up and down the country to stand outside these regional courthouses? Well, you've hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, we have lost our media. We have a starzy state media now. It doesn't matter whether it's the BBC or it's a commercial channel. And they're so busy being woke

and being politically correct that they are completely unaccepting the fact that there's a group of people within a community that gravitate towards grooming gangs that come from a particular background and they are a phenomenon and it needs to be acknowledged because the people living in the communities know about it and when i say communities i'm talking whole towns i'm talking rochdale oldham burnley blackley, Blackburn, Bradford. We know the towns, the mill towns of the former Industrial Revolution, the cotton towns, the wool towns, and then the towns in the Midlands.

People understand fully, the public understand fully what's gone on. And the sad thing is that Labour basically kept it quiet, not because they were favouring these people, because they were saving votes, because basically this demographic have larger families and they're securing the votes of the future. Because where we have 1.4 children, they have 5.4 children. So that's more votes. It's not even about ethics or morals. This is simply about slimy people in politics trying to nurture a position

of power that they wouldn't gain through normal means. Yeah, I think you're right. Now breaking right now, our very own Lalani Daldeen has gone viral all across the world for her impassioned and emotional response to Hugh Edwards, the BBC's biggest star presenter, avoiding jail despite admitting to having child sex videos on his own phone. Here's her emotional plea. I don't have children, but I think they are the most important things in the world. They are the most important things. So when someone has pictures of children being raped and then they don't spend a single day in jail I don't understand how that's justice and I'm really upset because like I said I think children are the most important things in the world

and I'm angry and that's why I'm crying I'm so angry because it's frustration and it's like what what can we do what can we do about it when we don't have a justice system when they'll lock people like you go out and you protest and you get angry or you make threats against pedophiles they'll come and lock you up they'll come and lock you up for saying something there are people sitting in jail because of facebook posts right now like literally sitting in jail for two years three years some of the people that follow me and this guy has got off and the people that sent it the person that sent him the pictures has got off are we gonna protect the children and unfortunately the answer to that is no now that video lalani well done by the way because sometimes it's really hard to put yourself out there with that type of raw emotion, but it's hit a nerve because I think that is how so many millions were feeling yesterday.

We've had to suffer through weeks, Lelani. I've seen people locked up and we'll talk about some of them literally sending a tweet. But pedophiles avoid jail. Something has gone so wrong with our system. Well, this is the thing, Dan. I looked at the news in the morning and I'd seen him walking into the court with his head held high, almost like he was on a red carpet, gave a wave, nod, smile, thank you, walked in there, and I thought, this guy knows something, this isn't a guy who's holding his head in shame, because he's got pictures of children being raped on his phone, he's holding his head up high, this is, this is messed up, so anyway, I had a nice morning with my horses, put them away, they were happy, and I looked at the

news, and I saw it there, in black and white, he suspended sentence, he were happy. And I looked at the news and I saw it there in black and white, he suspended sentence, he will not spend a day in jail. And I was so angry. It was like I was going to explode. I was so angry. And then I got inside the house, I thought I'm going to talk about this. And then I just couldn't help myself down. I just, every time I said, you know, children are the most important thing it just filled me like I was it was angry tears but upset tears as well because because and then I'm thinking you know this is why people don't want to look at these heinous crimes this is why people bury their head in the sand because it brings up these emotions and to me it was

uncontrollable I was angry and I was sad at the same time and this is me as an onlooker just I've got no experience of this I'm just looking in on it seeing you know man with child rape pictures gets off jail so how do the victims feel how do the victims feel how does every child that's been molested or had their picture spread around how do they feel when you hear that and and you know what it does it emboldens the pedophiles because now every pedophile look at that and go oh we're safe if we spread pictures around as long as we didn't take the videos of these children being raped we can share them and not spend a day in jail and that's what's happening here and i don't know who's to blame but is it

the justice system for not looking him away is it the court what is it i don't know but it has to change because people are disgusted people are so disgusted people that don't even get political about things people that are on the left on the right people are disgusted about this everyone is and if this doesn't wake people up because there's no gray area here you're either for the evil or you're against it and you know if you can give that guy any kind of excuse or say that was a fair sentence, then you're sick. You are absolutely sick and you are not a good person. And June, it is interesting, isn't it?

Because I've heard a lot of the MSM try and justify the sentence. But the thing is, the chief magistrate, Paul Goldspring, who was the person who decided that Hugh Edwards shouldn't go to jail. Do you know, June, that was the same man who sent to jail the young bloke with learning difficulties who accosted Chris Whitty. Do you remember that? He just made a video of himself with Chris Whitty around London. He went, oh, Chris Whitty. And he wasn't all there. And he got sent to jail, June, by the same judge or chief magistrate i

should say well there is no justice we've we've got to forget it you can't rely on the justice system um it's a fallacy because too much has gone on these people go into jail for tweets angry tweets that they've later taken down and get two years and no bail. And then you get a despicable character. He's a pervert. Hugh Edwards is a pervert. He's perverted.

He's sick. There's something wrong with him. He's not wired up right. He just got away with being able to pretend to be decent. And that's why he got to read the news and got to host so many shows because he pretended to us that he was decent and that's what we expect from our presenters but he's not decent he's weird he's perverted he's strange and he gets his rocks off by looking at kiddie porn now the other thing porn porn if the bbc journalist reporting on this said

he was looking at child pornography child porn pictures there's no such thing as child porn because porn would lead you to believe that there's a porn star because that's an industry porn is an industry like it or not it's an. These kids didn't get a say in the matter. Well, actually, June, let me just interrupt briefly because you refer to that, and actually there was a man outside the court who confronted the BBC reporter Seema Chattinder for that reason. So let's just have a look and you can react off the bat. Excuse me, are you Seema Sikinda?

Did you just refer to child abuse imagery as being child porn? Did you refer to child abuse imagery as being child porn? Were the victims in those images, were the victims in those images porn stars then don't touch me again don't touch me push over the barrier you're trying to push over the barrier why did you call it child porn why did you call it child porn and of course she wouldn't speak to him. And actually, June, there was another BBC report, and I'll just show a very brief moment from it, that also was accused of showing sympathy to Hugh Edward.

...intently emotional as the court heard about his mental health problems, his suicide risk risk and an upbringing where his failure to get into oxford left him feeling like an outsider at the bbc june your response it's failure to get into oxford so that would take us about what 40 years uh grow up man grow up this is a pervert that they're making excuses for because they employed him, like they employed Jimmy Savile, like they employed Roe Harris, and many more. It's just like a paedophile ring.

You could be forgiven for thinking there's something really despicable going on here. This man has no shame. As Leilani said, he went into court with his head held high. I would die a thousand deaths if I'd been caught out for doing something like this. And that's the difference between people who have integrity. Hugh Edwards isn't sorry. Hugh Edwards is sorry he's been caught.

Because otherwise it would have been a confession. He would have come clean beforehand and said, I can't cope. I can't carry on doing this anymore. But he hasn't done that. He's been caught. So all these sob stories after you caught, they don't wash with me. That's just not good

enough. You're not that sorry. If you could have continued to this day, you'd still be doing it. And he'd still be sitting down, reading you your news, pretending to be a decent person. And the BBC today astonishingly, Lelani, ran a new report about their director general being interviewed by another BBC presenter discussing whether Hugh Edwards would return to work at the BBC. It's like, oh, my goodness, they just don't get it.

Watch this. Edwards will also be placed on the sex offenders register for seven years. In July, the former newsreader admitted having 41 images which were sent to him on WhatsApp, including some showing a victim aged between seven and nine. I can also give you a bit more detail on what the Director General has been saying. It's an RTS, a Royal Television Societyad Cymdeithasol Rwydwaith yn Llywodraeth Cymru, ar yr ydym wedi bod yn siarad. Fe wnaethon nhw dweud, nid wyf yn gallu gweld Huw Edwards yn gweithio ar y Cwrpoer, nid wyf yn gallu gweld hynny'n digwydd am rhesymau amlwg. Fe wnaethon nhw ddweud, mae'r dyn wedi cael ei gyflawni o ddifrifion sylweddol

ac mae'n eithaf gyffredinol i mi. Nid wyf yn gallu gweld hi'n gweithio yma eto, yn siarad â Pretty straightforward in my mind. I can't see him working here again, talking to BBC presenter Amal Rajan there at the RTS convention in London. Now, he also went on to say that discussions are ongoing about getting the 200,000 back from Hugh Edwards that he earned and continued to earn after he had been arrested and after word of his arrest had been known to his some of his bosses

tim davies said we want the money back lalani it's like they have no idea of how serious this is of how represent reprehensible this is if it was a private company it would be shut by now i mean lalani we were discussing just a couple of weeks ago how there are growing theories that Jill Dando was murdered because she wanted to blow the whistle on the paedophile ring that we know existed at the BBC in the 90s and had done for many decades. And here we are in 2024, and they've shielded another paedophile.

That's right. And the language that are using so soft oh i can't see him coming back you know if that was me i'd be absolutely not under no circumstances will that man that convicted man ever step foot in one of our buildings again you don't say oh no i can't see it happening it's disgrace. The softening of it is disgraceful. Every single little bit of it is disgusting. The whole handling of it, the whole thing, honestly, it makes me so sick and it makes me so emotional because I just sit there and I just think of the victims and what this has done and how this has emboldened so many of those perverts around this country to think

that they can do whatever they want. I'm just beyond disgusted with the whole of it. And you know what? The sad thing about it, Dan, is it didn't surprise me. And you know why? Because I was looking at sentences and I've discussed this on your show before. I looked at sentences that some of the judges handed out to non-violent people involved somehow but non-violently with the protests and the same judges would lock those people up for two years a year 18 months three years and then let people with child pornography abuse rape pictures would let them have suspended sentences

it's the most horrific thing and the man that sent him the pictures also got off and I mean he was literally making the pictures well Alani given you've raised it I really want to talk about Wayne O'Rourke who I know you have been talking about as well so this is a guy who

the judge described as a keyboard warrior he's 35 years old. He told people in Southport to get out on the street. He was jailed for three years. Now, Leilani, he was a good character, by the way. You tweeted, Wayne, who follows me on X, was jailed for, I mean, you said two two years but it's three years lalani even worse for a series of tweets he was never physically present at a protest few zero days in jail he had pics of children being raped if i said what i want to happen to you and other pedos i would be

jailed for incitement and i just think you look at the sentences for the likes of Wayne O'Rourke. Yeah. It's persecution of a particular type of person, and it is proof that there is two-tier justice in this country. Absolutely. I mean, look at Lucy Connolly. She still sat in jail on bail until her hearing for something she said. Now, what those two people said, I could say worse if I wanted to about pedos and my thought of what should happen to them Hugh Edwards and others and all the people that just

get away with it right if I went I had to get off Twitter because I actually thought oh my god if I carry on the way I'm feeling at the moment and I say the wrong thing I'm going to have the police knocking at my door putting me in jail for two weeks because I want to say far worse than what actually you'd be lucky to get two weeks Lallani more like two years two years sorry two years exactly exactly and I'd be locked away for incitement for saying something about because you know and then I've had people mention that on on Twitter and they'll say well you know you know, they said this or they said, I said, OK, so what you're saying is that if I was to say about a paedophile, I should be in jail too. Oh, no, it's OK about if you say about paedophiles, in my opinion, that's what they would say.

But it's like, no, this is why you can't do this is why it's a problem. If you stop free speech, you stop it for everything. You stop it for everything you stop it for everything so you can't say oh i can react this way to a pedophile but i can't react this way to being so angry about three little girls getting murdered and that's the problem when you start putting people away for saying something out of anger on social media with no intention of actually following through with no intention of being at the protest or doing what they said if they say it out of anger and take it down if you start doing that then you then they'll do that for everyone and that sets the president

and and that's it for us all totally true uh look sometimes dark humour is appropriate in for him. You know, none of us is perfect. We all make mistakes. Hugh did do some regrettable things, but we have to take his mental health into account. Sometimes when people are really struggling with their mental health, they can get a bit noncy. That's just a fact of life. Listen, he's been through the ringer. It's time to cut the guy some slack he went to court the judge let him off with a suspended sentence he's a free man no prison time and i think that's fair i mean come on it's not as if he wrote some hurty words on facebook is it and june june the crazy thing is that's not all too dissimilar to that news report on the BBC that I just played you.

I know. Which wasn't a spoof. That's the scary thing. That's what scares me about it because we're now getting, we're being groomed by the media to accept anything from them. Oh, well, he did that, which is a really foul act, isn't it? Look, if you think it's okay, if these journalists think it's okay go home tonight and imagine your dad doing it just go home tonight and have a think about your own dad say no i can't

come for my dinner tonight because i'm having a look at some kiddie photos that are being forced into doing things that will affect them for the rest of their life just imagine that and then come back tomorrow and do you sound you know your piece to camera and tell me how you feel because that's what it's about really and andrew lauren's this upload who follows me thinks he's serious i had to tell him today i said no it's it's a wind-up it's it's irony it's being ironic um and we need these comedians who are prepared to push the boundaries and tackle these taboos of a woke society right that's why i did the vacancy the job vacancy for the bbc looking for nonces um we have that we have that june i'm not sure if i can read it out but but your ex profile is the place to go for the non-job advertisement yes indeed

well look you're both amazing thank you for bringing some sanity to this world. June Slater, YouTube sensation. You must be subscribing to her channel. And Lalani Downing, well, thank you so much for being so raw with how you were feeling yesterday because you hit a nerve and that is why we love you. Thank you both so much see you very soon now the legendary Angela Levin royal author extraordinaire is standing by she is up in just one minute with all of the big stories out of Montecito and Buckingham Palace

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off to an event, Tyler Perry's event. Loads of other celebrities were doing the same thing, including Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King. But Harry, always the one to turn something very serious, was actually filming the paparazzi on his way in, Angela. There he is, because everything for Harry now is a battle, isn't it? Nothing is just about having fun. So what did you make of the fact that here they were making another public appearance over Harry's 40th birthday weekend that wasn't actually for him? Yes, I think, to be honest, that Meghan wanted a lot of attention herself. And the only way to do that was to do it the day before his birthday. So everyone could see her.

She could have a lovely time. She was very giggly. So I imagine maybe she had a drink or two or three. And I think Harry is pathetic to do that. I mean, we see these from people who turn up in the centre of London, start screaming at everyone and police and behave abominably badly. But Harry would think that this is a good idea and start taking pictures of everyone.

When it's been a quite pleasant night, it's very sad, I think. Very sad indeed. I mean, going there, Taylor Perry is very close to them and he was very helpful when they wanted to come over to America and they let them have one of his houses there. And so, they were very grateful. He also actually made contact with Megan by straight after the wedding to say he was there but it's um it's very sad that Megan always has to show herself and what she's doing it's um it's it's something very strange about that you know why not let Harry have a lovely time leave him him alone and get on with it. Well, it almost felt like, Angela, she didn't want to allow Harry to have any moment in the spotlight for his 40th birthday. Because, look, there are these pictures from the Alliance for Children's Rights,

which actually took place on Harry's actual birthday. And there she is with her good mate, Kelly McKee Zadjfen, who is a model, of course, and who posted on X, not about Harry on his birthday, but about Harry and Meghan, saying you've been such a guiding light for our family, not just in the way that you've shown up in friendship, but how you have shown up through incredible work the Archwell Foundation does.

I'm in awe of your commitment to community and to friendship. And there's a lot of people saying, Angela, that Megan asked her to post that to try and overcome all of the negative publicity that she was having to deal with. What did you make of that? What I made of it is she spent £30,937 to go to that do. It's absolutely eye-opening, isn't it? She wanted to look sensational. Unfortunately, she doesn't.

She can't wear clothes like, say, Catherine can or other women can. She always looks a bit frumpy, and it's not been made perfectly. But nonetheless, there she was. And it was an Archwell Foundation which sponsored the outing. And she obviously did that on that day so that it would take away the attention that Harry should have. It's very strange. They also, Harry said he wanted to spend a lot of his birthday with his children, and that was the best gift he'd ever had.

Now, that's a very nice thing to say and quite right. But then you hop off and go somewhere else. It's a bit disappointing not just for the children or perhaps they're used to it but because you've got to be in the papers you don't like being in the papers but then you've got to be in the papers because Megan likes being in the papers so it's um it's just it's very sad and silly isn't it who cares actually frankly yeah but it just felt like she hijacked his 40th birthday for publicity for herself she's hijacked the Invictus game she's hijacked everything that

he wants to do she has to do it first and pushes him out of the way where we can all see it or clings onto his hand and his arm as if he'd been arrested and that he can't move far from it. I mean, she has to control, absolutely has to control. It's just horrendous to see, actually. I feel that, you know, nobody should do that to someone that they live with because it's not fair. No, indeed, indeed. It's a very odd one.

Can I just read to you a couple of theories, Angela, based on why Prince Harry keeps on pulling out his camera, by the way, to take pictures of the paparazzi. So this is what the royal YouTuber, according to Taz, had to say about it. So they are going to a party for Tyler Perry. Paparazzi are there. Everyone's smiling and waving as they go in especially Meg but Harry is filming the paps no one else has a problem but him probably compiling more fake evidence for his security

court case just like New York and then the Royal News Network posted on X has anyone ever told Prince Harry that if he doesn't want to live with paparazzi attention, then do not move to Southern California and join the entertainment industry? I feel like that's pretty obvious. Also, your wife clearly loves it if the manic grinning is any indication. Do you think they are fair points, Angela? Yes, absolutely. I'm sorry I didn't see them before you did. Yeah, absolutely. Of course it is. If you don't want all the attention, then you don't go to the things or you don't let them out or it's all done very quietly. But Megan can't do that. I think that's one reason why he's in such a mess, because he wants to be left alone. He doesn't want people taking pictures of him all the time because it makes him think about his mother. It's a long time ago, but he still does. But Meghan wants as much attention as she can, and Harry is there as a sort of second-hand person

just to make up the numbers, isn't he? Yeah, and who would have thought? What is interesting about the um the uh tyler perry is that they only have eight bathrooms and william and megan not william harry and megan have 16 so there must be a bit of i'm better than you on that level just a small little mansion just a tiny little mansion now of course the big news over the weekend angela was about harry's birthday wish from king charles or the royal family and prince william and catherine's ex-accounts but i've been desperate to talk to you about this because even though such a big thing has been made of it. I mean, the Daily Mirror put on its front page, royal peace gesture.

Isn't the issue that if they hadn't done anything, they would have accused of looking churlish? And actually, specifically when you look at the royal family post, they had edited Meghan out of the picture and just used Harry. So that felt like a bit of a message because actually right next to Harry on Harry's left was Meghan. Yeah, there's the full picture. So he had been removed. So that's the first thing. And then the second thing is, Angela, you know, William and Catherine, when they're writing on X and it's a post that comes from their heart or something personal that they've written themselves, they sign it off W or C, whereas actually and sometimes actually w and c but in this case angela that didn't happen no they also called him the duchess of sussex they didn't say harry so it was

yes yeah the duke of such is sorry um yes and, and so it wasn't sort of warm, was it? I mean, the thing now is with the royal family is that they don't do annual birthdays. They don't recognize them if they're not working royals. But if there is something that's significant in their birthdays, they can do this. So they were just behaving very politely to do that. But if they hadn't done anything, everyone would have been at them thinking, couldn't they even just, you know, dot, dot, dot. So that's why they did it. I don't think it's an olive branch.

I don't think it's an olive branch. I don't think it's anything at all. It's just being well-mannered and to avoid people thinking that they should behave differently. I need to say, though, that the picture, there were two of them, one with, as you said, Megan, and one without. And they only sent the palace, the one without. So I don't know that they knew that Meghan was there, but it doesn't matter. But if you look at Harry's face, which is a light with happiness and a big smile, that was in 2021 and he was a very happy person then.

If you saw him now, you don't see very many smiles. You don't see that joy. This was the Harry I knew when I did the biography, you know, who's sort of bubbling with happiness. And this one sort of still has that. But now you never see that. Now, it's very serious and taking photographs of people who are hanging around a party. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Angela, you've been doing some research, though, into this PR spin coming out of Montecito,

claiming that Harry has discovered a new family in the US. So do you believe that? And what have you found out? No, it's nothing, isn't it? It's actually, I think people, they're either paid or they want to do this nonsense and they want to take away the fact that he is not welcomed by the royal family.

They want to say he's still wonderful. And there they have, They have three of them. There is Megan's mother, Doria, is his stand-in mother. Can you believe that? No, I can't. Apparently, he relies on Doria for advice and support. Okay, that's that. And then there is the millionaire Nacho Figueras, who calls Harry

his brother. He's a millionaire, he plays polo, and he gave him a gushing birthday tribute post and signed it off with the intimate words, I love you. Very nice, but a little odd for a man to say that and actually feel that he's also his brother. You know, you can have very close friends, but it's not very tasteful to do that. And the other one is David Foster, who is a film man, and he's 74. And they say that he is so close to Harry that he really is, he's become his father figure. Now, I don't think anything like that. It's very different if you

lose your family. But if your family are there, but in a different place, and don't approve of how you're behaving, and are not even well. You don't have another family. It just doesn't work, does it? Because they can never make up to your family. It's never the same. You might like them. They might be a pal, but they're not going to be like your brother. It's just not because there is something that you've had since the very, very beginning. And this is something he's had since he met Meghan. So, you know, you can't compare the two. I thought it was a load of old nonsense, really.

But also, Angela, these are all Hollywood people, right? I've spent loads of time working in Hollywood. They are as fake as you can possibly get. All of those people, apart from Doria, who's obviously a different kettle of fish, but all of those other people you've mentioned have huge amounts to gain through a relationship with Harry. So it's not a genuine relationship at all. They are yes men.

They are people there to serve because they want royal connections. People will think that they're very important because they know Prince Harry. It's actually you can gain on that in a whole sort of field. If you are a friend of Harry's, then people let you have tables in the best dining room and all sorts of nonsense like that. You know, that's how they feel that they are close to the royal

family or close to Harry. And of course they are, but you can't go beyond a certain mark. You can say, you know, marvellous friend of mine, I really like you, it's great. But you don't start saying you're a father figure, you're a brother, and you're a mother. But do you think psychologically, Angela, given how much he is struggling at the moment and obviously that's something we've documented now over a number of weeks that it's almost about convincing himself because he's lost his real father effectively hasn't he there's no close relationship anymore very often as you've reported before Charles doesn't even pick up the phone to him now and William doesn't want anything to do with him so I guess it's almost like in force that he's had to try and find some sort of new father

figure and brother because he's lost his blood relatives even though they're alive which is just so horrendous yes it, it's difficult. I don't know exactly, but my instinct says that they don't go anywhere deeply within him. I think he remembers so much about his mother still. He still thinks about her a great deal. I can't think he would ever consider having a substitute for her, whoever it was, even if it's his mother-in-law or certainly not if it's his mother-in-law. And I think that nobody gets lower. That's why he's so miserable and looks so unhappy,

because he's not really loved at the moment by the people who he wants to love him. But he's a fool because how can he expect that if he's so rude about them and so hurtful i think he doesn't feel somebody told me very recently who knows him well somebody said that he he doesn't think he's ever wrong and he doesn't think he's done and he can't understand why they don't um warm towards him i know other people like that they just can't see because they've said it they then want to move on something awful they want to move on but actually the individual they've really hurt can't do that and why should they um it's a very peculiar way but a lot of people are like that they they they feel um well that's done now

but it's not done now it's there for a very long time and he hasn't um been able to make it better i mean when his first 30th birthday he said he's committed to make the world a better place. Now, you know, he might have money, he might have energy, but it's a nonsense thing to say because he finds everything very difficult. And you can't be sort of a fairy tale that you're going to make the world a better place. What he needs to do is to make his own life better and apologize and behave properly and not attack your family. And I think that's something he doesn't feel right. There's no point doing the world because the world is full of people and the people

inside the world need to have an idea of what's right and what's wrong, but he doesn't seem to have that. And to do what he's done to his family, I find profoundly unhappy. Oh, I couldn't agree more, Angela, beautifully put. And actually, if we just take one look again at that photograph of Harry in the car last night, because the more I think about it, Angela, the more it sums up their relationship. Look, there's Meghan, happy, maybe a bit tipsy, as you say, loving the fact that she's being papped on the way into a big celebrity event and she's going to be hanging around Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King and all of that lot again. And there's Harry next to her, utterly miserable, stone-faced, recording members of the paparazzi to try and prove his ridiculous point

that he's stalked and harassed at all times. I just think that's such a sad portrait of the man at 40 years old, isn't it? The man who has everything, but actually still seems emotionally to have nothing. The interesting thing is it's not just him there with Megan. There's lots of well-known people there. There's, you know, opera and all sorts of people who were there, and they might not necessarily want to take him at all. Photographers stand up there and snap a snap a snap, hoping they get loads of pictures for anybody. It's not just about you, Harry.

No, exactly. It's not just about you, Harry. But he's anxious about that. It's like you're going to an A-list Hollywood party attended by lots of A-listers, including Oprah Winfrey. The photographers would be there whether you were there or not, Harry. Yes. But I don't know.

It just summed up so much to me, Andrew. It's like he can never let go. He can never just relax. He can never just have fun anymore. And actually, that's a really horrible way to live. It's someone who is consumed by negativity. You would think, though, actually, but what he said was that having become a father, he absolutely loves it. He absolutely loves being with his children.

That's all he wanted. As I said just before, you know, there's the people who have helped him to have a lovely party will help him at that time. But what he sees. who has helped him to have a lovely party, will help him at that time. But... We never see. One day see. No, I think when you're a father yourself or a mother yourself, you then realise how your mother or your father behaved with you and how important it is to make your relationship much better

because, you know, teenagers are tricky and difficult and argue. And I think that once you've experienced this, you then understand what being a parent is to a child and you then try and behave in a much better way. You understand it, but it means that he's now emotionally engaged to his two children. That's lovely. But he can't see that his father has adored him. And it's just that he's been so awful to him that he's cut him off. It's not because he's not been welcoming a son.

And it's the same with William. I mean, they adored each other. Harry told me that, you know, they can't separate. They're the people, they trust each other. They're the only people they trust. And they adore him. He told me that he wanted to really help his father. He thinks he's a marvelous man. And, you know, now he's got those children, it should suddenly open up. It's amazing. It opens up to you. And you think, good heavens, you know, I didn't understand that with my parents.

I didn't understand they wouldn't let me cross the road because they wanted to save me. You know, you can be very butchy about that. Children don't like it, but they have to have it because to make them safe. And you just change your attitude to your to your family and especially your parents but he don't see that no he hasn't because he's surrounded by a woman angela who is constantly justifying why she has cut out the man who literally raised who literally put her through school who literally raised her, who literally put her through school, who literally sent her to university. And I think it's that terrible thing, isn't it? Sometimes where you,

you know, they both enable each other, Angela. And I think they enable each other's worst qualities. And in fact, do stand by, Angela, because we've got so much more to discuss today about that actually so angela levin is coming over to the after show right now to discuss these latest developments after the hollywood reporter described megan markle as a dictator in high heels and you know it's very important to me that we have a safe space not patrolled by big tech because on big tech censorship and control runs deep so that's why I have launched www.outspoken.live. It's our membership section where you get half an hour of extra content every single weekday. So what we do at this stage is we come off YouTube, we come off Rumble, we move to our

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some glaring and fascinating echoes of everything I wrote and that others have written before about Megan. I don't know about the truth of the Hollywood Reporter article, but it seems to be a pattern that she is, depending on your point of view, either a demanding boss or a difficult one. She certainly has clear standards, but on the other hand, the demand she makes of people may not always reflect what's possible. She may demand too much. Of course, Valentine Lowe originally revealed that Jason Knauf, then the Kensington Palace press secretary, had written an internal email in 2018 pointing out that he was very concerned that Meghan Markle was able to quote bully two PAs out of the royal household in the past year. He said the treatment of the staff

was totally unacceptable and he went on to say the Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behavior. So, Angela Levin, this is absolutely fascinating, isn't it? Because, as you know, for a very long time, Harry and Meghan's argument has been that all of the reports of bullying behavior and terrible treatment of staff was just a campaign by the men in gray suits within buckingham palace by people like you and me and the media who they decided we just had it in for them absolutely not true by the way we were just reporting what really happened but how on earth can they justify the fact that the exact same thing has now happened in hollywood and has been reported by hollywood reporter which angela is not some sort of right wing or conservative publication

i mean this is the woke bible of hollywood and they are talking about how terrible megan is yes it's very interesting isn't it i mean they do feel it just add to you that they it's very interesting, isn't it? I mean, they do feel, just to add to you that it's the palace who's made it all up to be unkind to her, which is now known to be nonsense. leave to tell the truth. So for them to really have a go at her is partly fascinating and partly astonishing. So they've said that everyone can get terrified by her. She belittles people, she doesn't take advice. Harry is very charming, but he's an enabler. That means he just does what he's told and that's it. And she's called Duchess Difficult. And it's going to be a very, very hard one to to live with. I mean, she said she marches around like a dictator in high heels, fuming and barking orders, and she's reduced grown men to tears. Very interesting, isn't it? Do you believe it, Angela, based on your reporting of Meghan?

Well, I think so. I mean, you can see that you just have to see what she's like with her husband, pulling him around, holding, gripping him. And when he wants to go up to speak, which was very shortly, a few weeks ago, you know, she was holding him back and he was pulling to go and he pulled up. Now, you know who are who have problems with themselves will do that to um an unlimited number of people watching i don't think she will take them to court we'll have to see but i think what she will do which she does where she hates what's happened is to go very very quiet i think she had a weekend of fun and then she'll go very very quiet and then there'll be one um PR after another PR thing saying how wonderful she is and how it's all going

and her cooking things are all fine even though they won't come out to February and Netflix is doing something even though it's not going to come out till December. And I think that that's how it will be. I think it will be too much to do that. Do you remember the cartoon about her, which was also extremely rude and nasty? I want privacy. She didn't take them to court.

She didn't. I don't think there's any way she can angela i mean they have spoken to 12 current or former staff members and actually what's really fascinating and this doesn't always happen is that hollywood reporter actually prepared to speak publicly about what they discovered on a major syndicated American TV show called Axios Hollywood. So let me play you the first part of this, Angela, and we can react off the bat. According to The Hollywood Reporter's Mayor Roshan, the magazine's bombshell report

investigates the reported mass exodus of employees who worked under the Duke and Duchess. Our reporter talked to, I think, a dozen people. Most of them are people who have worked very closely with the couple in various capacities now and previously. The article comes on the heels of news last month claiming that the couple's chief of staff, Josh Kettler, left his post after only three months on the job, which we are told was a trial period and a mutual decision. Kettler has not returned our request for comment.

Our reporter talked to one very high up source who works for the couple who said everyone is terrified of Meghan Markle. The Hollywood Reporter quotes the sources saying Meghan, quote, belittles people. She doesn't take advice. Harry is a very, very charming person. No airs at all. But he's very much an enabler according to the now now angela that man who we just saw there maya roshan he is the editor-in-chief of the hollywood reporter so if she was going to sue anyone she would be suing

him now you can see he stands by his story he He's very confident about it. He's prepared to say, our reporters are speaking to very senior people who work for them. I mean, to me, this looks like copper bottom reporting. Yes, absolutely. The editor of a paper won't go out and speak like that if he had a tiny bit of doubt, would he? He just wouldn't do it. And so there we are. We have it. But actually there are a lot of figures that confirm this.

One is that, you know, she's lost 18 top people since they left Buckingham Palace. But there's also been nearly 20 people at a lower level who've also gone. The problem is they've had to sign a lot of papers that they won't say anything about their lives there. And I think that's right at one level, but so they're absolutely tongue-tied to do anything saying what they want to do now. So, Angela, just to clarify, so you're saying that as well as the 18 more senior people, there's another nearly 20.

So they have actually nearly lost 40 staff since moving to Hollywood. Those had much less important jobs. But they obviously... But still. Yes, well, exactly, but they couldn't bear it. I remember that Megan was calling people at 5.30 in the morning and demanding things and actually making people very, very nervous. And as Valentine Lowe has said, way back, and he's to be trusted as well, that they couldn't cope and some of them are still suffering from her attacks on them,

not physical attacks, but the way of making them feel dreadful and negative um so i think what it's all about is that the true megan has been uncovered and that we shall see her as we think she is now um she has to. It's so awkward, Angela. I mean, look at that tweet there. Look at that tweet there. Yeah. So this is BetterUp, right, which is the company that Harry is a staff member of, isn't he? Some ridiculous title they've given him.

Can't remember what it is. But he's a senior executive for BetterUp. And look at what they say here. If you are a manager, here are five ways you can help your employees foster optimism and agency in the workplace. Well, as this person replies, not great timing, because how on earth can Harry be working for a company like that when he's unable to even control his wife's monstrous behavior towards their staff?

Well, I think if you're out of the house, you feel a bit better and you can do a little bit. But he's not really capable of doing that because he is bogged down with feeling maybe he's got to take the Home Office to court. You know, he's got to demand his father speak to him or William to speak to him. He's got to shout at the people who answer the phone who can't put him through or can't put him through because the king is very, very busy. And I think that he's, look at his face there in that photo.

He's so unhappy. He's so, and he's so serious he was a very jovial person like the one we saw for his birth on his birthday um you know going back from 2021 um but it's just very very difficult for him i think to to work in that way because um he doesn't feel well he doesn't feel i. He doesn't feel, I think he's really lost. He doesn't know what he wants to do. And he's in a terribly difficult position. But actually, if you are with somebody like Megan, who actually has to get her own way, you have to do what she's going to tell you. You either run away altogether, or else you sit there and just let let it happen and unfortunately harry who was so keen not to be a spare she wrote over 400 pages about it is another spare yeah yeah it is sad isn't it

um let me show you oh sorry you go yeah it it's also very foolish of him that he is having the paperback. And I just hope he's taking half of it out so it won't upset his family. No, he's not doing anything to help himself, really. He's just saying it has to be. But life isn't like that. Sorry, go on. No on no no very true well i just wanted to show you the second part of this access hollywood report into the hollywood reporter claims because what's quite interesting is they started angela by juxtaposing what megan had to

say herself on her archetypes podcast you remember when she spoke about the fact that, oh, no, no, I'm not demanding. It's wrong to say that I'm demanding. And they juxtapose that with some of the shocking comments from the staff members who they've spoken to. You're allowed to set a boundary. You're allowed to be clear. It does not make you demanding. It does not make you difficult.

Makes you clear. Duchess Difficult is a nickname that's trailed Meghan Markle for quite a few years. What is new is this notion that coming to America, that a lot of those rumors were manufactured by the palace. There's a hierarchy of the family. You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories. And the reporting that we did suggests that that probably isn't true, that there is this still undercurrent of stories. And the reporting that we did suggest that that probably isn't true, that there is this still undercurrent of fear. An insider tells The Hollywood Reporter, Megan marches around like a

dictator in high heels, fuming, embarking orders. I've watched her reduce grown men to... You're allowed to set a boundary. Angela, your response? Well, yes, I mean, I absolutely agree. You can only cope with that for a certain amount of time. I think she doesn't let herself look beyond what she pretends to see. And that's it. I mean, she's a tough cookie. She's very nasty a lot of the time. She's supposed to be screaming at Harry a lot of the time.

I don't know whether she hits him or not, but she is very, very dangerous, I think. And I think that the Queen, the late Queen, saw that straight away. And when you look at her face at the wedding, you couldn't see a more unhappy, serious face. Not that one, but the one in the wedding. She was really, really worried about it. And, of course, she could see that.

William did as well. And that's why he said, go easy, don't rush. You know, the life here is so, so different from her life. You know, give it time. And that's when Harry decided not to speak to him for a long time. He was absolutely furious with him. Now, you can understand that the second brother, the younger brother, doesn't want to be told anything about a woman he's suddenly fallen for. But actually, if his grandmother looks at him like that, well, not at the wedding, but before that, she would have tried to say something.

And his brother says that, hang on, don't rush it. But Megan wouldn't wait. She said, I'm going to leave unless you marry very quickly so she had very little choice yeah indeed and she is famous for her verbal abuse I mean I'm certainly not aware of anything physical but verbally she is absolutely known for having a very sharp tongue and the thing is Angela Harry because Harry's a bit simple he revealed in spare the late queen's reaction when he asked her if he could marry Meghan and to say it was underwhelming is a real exaggeration I mean it was so obvious from

her response to Harry that she did not want this marriage to go ahead. But she also wasn't going to stop it because Harry, I guess, less important. He's the spare, not the heir. She knew that Catherine was a very, very solid partner for William. But she was never happy about this relationship. And Harry is delusional to think that she was yes but the king and queen now they really were thrilled that Meghan was joining the royal family

and they said that it'd be wonderful because she could do so many different things and actually really help us and, you know, be modern. But Camilla, I know, invited her for a lunch and started talking a bit about, you know, the protocols and all that. And she didn't want to know. She said, Harry would tell me. that she was really quite rude whereas she did the same for Catherine and she had her daughter with her and Catherine was very grateful for her telling her certain things which William and Harry couldn't tell their loved one because they were so used to it they wouldn't know that that's new whereas Camilla it's different for a woman as woman as well isn't it there are different protocols and different issues in terms of what you can wear at particular events yes and so they were but she never really accepted camilla though did she because harry was always saying such horrible things about camilla to megan so yes well yeah

well she whatever she says to harry he has to listen to that and believe it, which is also very sad. So what he did with his father, you know, he invited his father to come along when he was on the Today program. He was running that just before Christmas. Oh, yes, that's right. When they got married. And he had various people on. He could have anyone on who he wanted. And he wanted to have his father on. And so they did. And he said, I want to talk to you about, you know, clean skies and all that. And his father said, oh, you never were interested. And he said, no, what's happened is that I've suddenly realized

how much you know and how much I need to listen to you. So that's why I've got you here. I'm absolutely thrilled. It was a very, very moving twosome there. And I don't think that anyone who could be so gentle and want their father on a program like that and be so warm to them and say how much they cared and listened that suddenly they didn't like them anymore well how could that happen

yeah there's got to be a very nefarious influence involved doesn't there now look Andrew I want to speak about Prince George because look you know I think William and Catherine are great parents and so I'm loathe to criticize them but I'm not a fan of this I am not a fan of this and you may totally disagree with me but Prince George so he's having flying lessons aged 11. Yes yes there's a picture of him all some time in the army. And the Duke of Edinburgh, the late Duke of Edinburgh, he wasn't allowed to go flying until 30. Now, I know he was 30. I know that things are much, much better now. But I think it's really scary.

And I do know, I don't know if Catherine is very upset about this or very worried or he's something he really wanted to do, so she's letting him do it. But she was absolutely scared when William flew and when he drives motorbikes. She gets really, really stressed about that. And I think that with little George, it would be similar. Yeah, I mean, look, this is just one area where I disagree with William

because I think the line of succession is so important. And Angela, it's particularly important because of everything that we've been talking about prior to now which is we cannot risk a situation where the British royal family is left in the hands of King Harry and Queen Camilla which is what they want so this family who we're looking at this beautiful family are so important to that but William has just been a little bit reckless in my view and some people won't like me saying that but he still flies with his entire family which means that if a tragic accident happened or an act of terrorism happened because remember the royal family Angela are targets we know King Charles is suffering from cancer you know it doesn't bear thinking about the idea that

Harry remains in the line of succession behind William's young family so I just think can we not have some hobbies which are just a little bit safer please I agree with you but I think that he has been asked several times now not so that they don't all fly together, or that he doesn't fly with George, Prince George. So I believe they're trying to work out who goes where. I mean, it's not happening now because Catherine's not well enough, but I think there will be a split between them. They love each other, so they want to go together

but I agree with you, I don't think it's right. Absolutely not. And they have to be careful because there's so much nastiness in this world now that you have to be extra careful. Sorry Angela, I've lost your volume but apparently we can still hear you so let me also ask about uh this incredible carpet that has been made for the king by women in afghanistan yes this is amazing this is a handmade um carpet that's done by 150 Afghan women for his throne room at Hillsborough

Castle in Northern Ireland. Now, we all know that Taliban restrictions are that women can't do work and shouldn't be able to do something like that. But they've made an allowance because it's a traditional craft. So they've been allowed to do this. The carpet is 15 by 6 meters wide. And the king has approved the design, which mixes Islamic geometry, 15th century Afghan patterns, and the flora and fauna of hillsborough gardens so it's a joint of things now you wonder how on earth did he get hold of this but this is the fact that he's had a class at a school to learn how to do all these sorts of carpets which would be very unusual because where we used to get them, say, in Turkey, they're not doing them anymore. So they're very, very difficult to find. And the woman who's also

done a lot is an alumna of the King's School of Traditional Arts. And the king himself, she says, is so knowledgeable about sacred arts that it's a lovely thing for us to do for him and i think that's absolutely delightful i love those sort of carpets and that he's gone through that and had a lot of women learning how to do it properly without them being told that they're not allowed to work and they've got to keep their faces covered and everything else covered. It's a very lovely thing to have, I think. Enormously large, but there we are. And Angela, let's end with a little bit of royal history. Tell me about this Queen Mary book that has been sold for quite a fee. Yes, it's lovely. I saw this and I thought, my goodness,

16th century book called Angelica Historia, nothing to do with me, owned by Queen Mary, has just been sold for £165,000 at auction. It was published, hang hang on here in 1555 and is the first of her books ever to be sold however it's only the third edition of a history of england by the italian scholar polydor virgil and includes a chapter on her father hen Henry VIII, and references to Mary and her half-sister, Elizabeth. It's the third edition. But I think that's extraordinary, you know,

to suddenly find a book that's been around since 1555. It's just thrilling, isn't it? Absolutely thrilling. Well, Angela, we've covered it all today. We've covered it all today from the very modern in terms of dictators and high heels to a bit of royal history. You're absolutely the best. Angela Levin is, of course, the biographer of Queen Camilla, Prince Harry and a chronicler of all things royal. Angela, we will speak next week. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.