Dan Wootton Outspoken - RHIANNON WHYTE'S FURIOUS MUM LETS RIP AT STARMER & JESS PHILLIPS AS SHE EXPOSES SOUTHPORT PRESSURE

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

A special edition of Outspoken as we tell the story of Rhiannon Whyte, a 27-year-old young English mother who was murdered by a demonic illegal staying in a migrant hotel where she worked through her brave and brilliant mother Siobhan Whyte. It’s a story that shames our politicians and mainstream media so they have largely decided to ignore it. On October 20 2024 while walking to Bescot Stadium railway station in Walsall after finishing her shift at 11pm, Deng Majek followed Rhiannon who was on the phone to her friend. Majek then launched a frenzied attack once Rhiannon arrived at the station, in which he stabbed her 23 times with a screwdriver. She suffered at least 11 injuries to her skull, one wound so deep it pierced her brain stem. This despicable monster then left Rhiannon lying on the ground of the station platform fighting for her life and threw her  phone into a nearby river.  He then stopped by a shop to buy alcohol and was caught dancing and laughing on CCTV before later being arrested by police. Rhiannon died in hospital three days later.  Her family have understandably been left devastated, their lives changed forever because of the inexplicable actions of a creature who should never have been in the country.  Now, Siobhan is working with Reform UK’s Orla Minihane to set up the Rhiannon Whyte Foundation to provide support for families who have lost a daughter, sister or wife and for children who have lost a mother to murder. The organisation aims to allow those who have been left behind to rebuild their lives after the most unimaginable of tragedies. Today she reveals her full horrifying past two years to Dan, as she attacks Labour's Keir Starmer as "disgusting" and Jess Phillips as "vile' – and reveals the police told her they didn't want Rhiannon's story to "turn into another Southport". THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Dan is joined by YouTube sensation According2Taz for all the latest royal news. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is a special edition of Outspoken episode number 426. Enough is enough. That should have been our attitude years before yet another shocking crime by someone who illegally invaded this country, wounded our souls. Today, through her brave and brilliant mother, Chauvin, we tell the story of Riannon White, a 27-year-old young English mother who was murdered by a demonic illegal staying in a migrant hotel where she worked. It's a story that shames our politicians, shames our mainstream media, so they have largely decided to ignore it. but we won't. On the 20th of October, 24, while walking to Besscott Stadium Railway Station in Warsaw,

after finishing her shift at 11pm, Deng Maghack followed Riannan, who was on the phone to her best friend. He then launched a frenzied attack once Riannon had arrived at the station in which he stabbed her 23 times with. with a screwdriver. She suffered at least 11 injuries to her skull. One wound so deep it pierced her brain stem. This despicable monster then left Riannon lying on the ground of the station platform

fighting for her life and threw her phone into a nearby river. He then stopped by a shop to buy alcohol and was caught dancing and laughing on CCTV before later being arrested by police. Rianan White died in hospital three days later. Her killer who arrived illegally on our shores on a small boat just three months before the attack received a life sentence with a minimum turn of 29 years at Coventry Crown Court just last month. Riannon's family have understandably been left devastated, destroyed, their lives changed forever because of the just indescribable actions of a creature who should never have been in this country in the first place. But the family have shown remarkable resilience, making sure their voices are heard. Here is Riannon's mother speaking to the Unite the Kingdom activist Tommy Robinson outside court on the dead.

day of sentencing. You've been locked by this and your lives are never going to be the same. For any politicians that's watching this, what message we've been to give to the politician? Put the system out. Get them out. If they're documented, like I said to you earlier, that's fine. Undocumented, put them somewhere, vet them and send them back. They don't deserve to be here.

It's not just my daughter, my family that have suffered this. There's other families, poor girls being raped. And people don't know their name. Their name, see. No, exactly. There's not been enough attention. The government don't care. They do not care, Tommy.

That's the thing. They just push it into the carpet. Because clearly, this is a state this country's in now. They cared. Well, why, it's the same. It's not happening to them. It's not happening to them. If it's affecting them.

If it's affecting them, it would be a complete difference. Now, Chauvonne is working with Reform UK's Alla Miny Hain to set up the Riannan White Foundation. It will provide support for families who have lost a daughter, sister or wife and for children who have lost their mother to murder. The organisation aims to allow those who have been left behind to rebuild their lives after the most unimaginable of tragedies. And I'm delighted to say Riannon's mother, Shavon White, joins me now for the uncanceled interview. Let's go.

Shavon, before anything else, I just have to give up and give you a hug. Thank you. Because I am so sorry to. have to put you through listening to that again. I can only imagine how much it must break your soul. And I know you hate hearing the name of the scumbag who did this. So we will not name him again for the rest of the show. But I just thought it was so important to set up the story because I won't ever forget

when I first learned of what happened to Riannan. And I imagined that this would be a. story the whole country was talking about. But it didn't feel that way. It felt like politicians, the mainstream media, almost didn't want to talk about this crime. Did you feel that? Sadly, another case that was pushed under the carpet.

Yeah, I mean, we did choose to say silent regarding the court case. And was that on the advice of police? It was, but it was our decision as a family. We wanted justice. We wanted respecting Rihanna's name really. But sadly, like Riannon's case, there's others that are not being spoken about. But it should be.

They should be out there. So I want to talk about Riannon. I want to get to know her a little bit. She was your best friend. She lived with you. Yeah. She was someone who you say was very caring, but also very fun.

Can you just talk a little bit about what she was like? One of five children. She was my second youngest. Riannon was generally the nicest girl you can ever meet. She just wanted to help everybody. This comes back to her working where she did. She had a heart of gold. Yeah, she became our best friend.

We did everything together. She loved Disney? Stitch, yeah. And I think the character stitch from the film, and Stitch was even featured as part of her funeral. Yes, it was. Yeah, we had a floral tribute made up from the Lisa and nephews of Stitcher. What was she like as a mum?

Lovely. She's just, she doted on that little boy, but she also doted on her niece and nephews. And this is what people don't see. It's the impact that it's left. Not only has he's taken this little boy's mum away, taken these children's aunties away and it's unbearable. How did you feel when you learned that she was going to not just start work at this hotel, but that it was actually a hotel full of migrants?

Did you have a concern? I was worried as a mother. I didn't tell her not to do it. She's 27 years old. I was worried, but this is what she wanted to do and she seemed happy there. But again, I couldn't stop her working there. But it's not about the immigrants that lived there

or whatever at the time. That was all irrelevant to us. It was a job. And she got to know the people in the hotel, didn't she? Yeah, it was like a group of five that used to talk to Rianan a lot. Yeah. But she got on well with staff

She got on well with certain people, yeah Did she enjoy the job Or was it something that she felt she needed to do? She enjoyed it, yeah She liked doing what she did, helping people And she was a hard worker? Yeah, she worked every hour, yeah And someone who was very much liked

By the people who were running the hotel And viewed her as someone who was a good part of what was a bizarre community. We went up to the hotel to a lot off balloons for Rihanna's birthday just after and they all said that you knew when Rihanna was in because there was all somebody laughing. And that was a good, nice thing to think about.

But you obviously now feel like this hotel should never have been in. I mean, this is one of the terrible things, isn't it? Exactly, yeah. This hotel should have been, serving tourists and locals, not full of people who have illegally broken into our country. Unvetted, undocumented. We didn't know anything about these people.

I mean, like I said, probably a group of five confided in Rihanna. The rest of them, she didn't really. She was hospitable too, but they didn't really get into conversation. But, no. You know, it comes back to the scumbag, like, fighting his age. Were they this age? Were they this?

We just don't know. Did Rianna ever talk to you about any threats? Did she ever feel unsafe? No. The Saturday, previous to the day before, she had some, one of the guys there had to go at her about a biscuit, a broken biscuit.

He was drunk. He upset her because Rihanna was very soft. But, He apologized. That was end of. Came back, apologized. And Rihanna was like, okay, end of, you know, it was forgotten. And then on the Sunday I did say to, oh, don't go to work.

Worry, I'm a mom. I'm only at work for a few hours, Mom, and then I'm off for a week. She planned to come down to Lemington to see the family. And it never happened. That was her last day. You told her not to go to work. I asked for not to go to work that day, yeah. You must have.

Because I'm just worried because I thought, well, I've had to go to her. She's soft and I don't go to work. I know, just one day, Mom. Yeah. So something didn't feel right after that incident. But Rianne, being Rihanna just pondered off the way she usually did and I went about my business

and she went about hers at work and she'll have us come through my door again. And what was her job at the hotel? What did it involve? Like hospitality. She'd like help. the food, she's out clean, collect cups from the rooms, but it was never just her.

There was always somebody with her. So within the hotel, there was some type of safety precaution. If they were going to the room to collect cups or whatever they were doing, Rianne would not go over there on her own. She would always have somebody with her. But walking around downstairs, they obviously felt they were okay to walk about on their own. And did you ever discuss with Rianan

what type of people were in this hotel? Did she have any views about whether there were any genuine asylum seekers? Was she at all engaged in that side of it? Or was it just a job for her? It was a job, first and foremost, but also the confidentiality. Rihanna spoke a couple of times

but it always seemed to be about the same people that had qualified her about why they'd come over and they were hoping to bring their families over. But she didn't discuss it a lot. She just felt sympathy for them. But I think that she was like a sounding barrier. But apart from that, she didn't really say anything. But as a human, she was a kind, compassionate person

and so she wanted to see the best in the people who were in the hotel. Even since she was a child, she didn't see the bad in anyone. You know, if you upset her, she'd walk away, that'd be it. But she'd like to argue. She didn't like to fight, you know. I'm a mom and I'd get into an argument with her. And I'd be upset more than she would. You know what I mean?

That's the kind of person she was. But for her it was about providing for her son. And caring for people, yeah. Caring for people being there at the hotel when was required. And I guess one of the ironies, and this is one of the huge problems with these hotels and why people have been so concerned for such a long time is that they can have all the security they want

inside the hotels to look after the staff. But there is nothing to stop the residents from leaving, from going out on their own and committing crimes. Had she ever spoken to you about... any crimes that were going on or any residents that she was concerned about? No, she wasn't worried. I mean, one time myself and Alex had gone around, Rianna was on a long shift. We'd gone around to drop some drinks off.

And one of the security guys, because Rihanna's little boy in the car, said, stop here and I'll walk Alex in. And when I looked over, we had the car locked. And when I looked over, they were doing, they were smoking, sniffing off the benches, doing bongs, drinking. So I think to her, that was just, that's what they do. She's inside and that was it.

So she knew that they had access to drugs and alcohol. Yeah. But it wasn't something that was facilitated inside the hotel. No, no, no. But again, it didn't bother her because they didn't bother them. She wasn't associated with it. But it's how they live their lives, isn't it? They're allowed to do these drugs and drink and be paid for.

Basically. And this Sunday that you will obviously never forget, as long as you live, it was her last shift before a week off. Yeah. Were you looking after her son? No, he was with his auntie. And she finishes work at 11. And it's a really short walk to the train station.

So you would have felt relatively okay that she could make that trip. and presumably she did so every day. And I guess it's one of those things, isn't it? We often in the United Kingdom assume that it is safe for women at night on the streets we still operate in that type of trusting society. Did you hear from her at all before she left the hotel or anything like that? No, we'd had a couple of texts. I think she tried to phone one of her sisters, but she was sort of. the little one out.

But just, you know, the text, I'll be home at this time and etc. But it's nothing that shone out to me that she was worried at all. But she was coming home to your house? She was coming to me.

Because that's where she was living. And so you were expecting her. How long did it usually take her? Half an hour? Expecting her by midnight? If she got on the 21 minute past train or 11 o'clock, 1101 or whatever she used to get,

it was literally a two-minute train I arrived into Walsall and then I lived literally less than five minutes away from the train station. So she could have been home by seven minutes. Half past. Yeah. Did you start getting concerned when she didn't arrive home? No, because usually she had texts and say the train is like I'm going to get an Uber or whatever. I'd been popping around doing it.

I think I was preheating a dinner or something and then this. was 20-ish past, 25 past and my phone started going and it was Riannan's friend. Who she had been speaking to. Who she'd been on the phone to, yeah. And then it was my youngest daughter, Kara. So of course, she'd just think, well, you know, what's happened? Is she just being attacked? So I'm phoned in the hotel.

In the meantime, we've got the police on the phone. Emma's on the phone. Manic. That's her friend. Emma, yeah, is her best friend. And then I'm phoning their hotel. Is Riannon there? I said, no, no, she's left us.

Well, you need to get somebody over to that train station now. But as I was done, put the phone down, those three immigrants had got off the train and ran to the hotel for help. Because that's seen the state that she was in. And then Tyler, who worked there was a housing officer. He ran over and was trying to help Rianan. And then obviously the police, we were on the phone to the police.

there was Emma, myself, my daughters, all ringing the police. And then they didn't really say nothing. And I thought, oh, maybe she'll go to the manor, you know, been attacked. Because you don't think it's as bad as what it really is. And then I got a phone call off the police to say, I'm sorry, but she's going to the Queen Elizabeth. It's either life-changing or end-of-life kind of thing. They told you that on the phone.

So you had to get to the hospital? Yeah, it was life changing, life frightening, yeah. So we were literally out the hospital, had I quarter to one at the latest. By the time they'd taken her to the hospital and we knew what was going on. And you knew she'd been stabbed? No.

I didn't know until I got into the hospital and the consultants came in. Did you have any idea? No, I just thought she'd been beaten up. She had been attacked by? No, nothing. So you had no idea that it was a connection to the hotel.

For you, this could have just been a random attack. Yeah. What happened when you got to the hospital? The police were waiting for us. And as we walked in,

she, reanimism and recess surrounded by doctors. And Alex kind of looked in and she goes, oh, she's just lying there, Mum. She's all right.

She hasn't got any tubes or anything. And then I kind of get a bit of a brain thing here because I can't remember everything. but we went into the family room and we'd informed our family at the time but my children at first look, Biana's been attacked

we don't know how bad it is but once we know we'll let you know so all her siblings are on standby and was her son with you at this point? No, he was being looked after by somebody else and then Alex got somebody to look after him

and then it seems like forever anyway but I was in the family room and the consultant came in and he just started talking about Rihanna and he says, I'm really sorry to tell you, but she's being stabbed. What do you mean? She's being stabbed.

He goes, yeah, she's, you know, critical. And I was, well, what's going to happen? I said, as she being knocked out, was she being sedated? And he went, she's not being sedated. She'd been knocked unconscious and there was no coming back from it. But he was explaining that she'd been, like, stabbed. in the head. I couldn't.

How do you understand? Yeah, I couldn't know. And then we went into Reese to see her and I just wanted to hold a hand and I just kept saying, what is it? What are these marks? And Alex was saying maybe it's just a tarmac one

where she's falling. And I said, no, no, no, it looks like a screwdriver. She's like, no, no, mom, it's not. And then it turned out it was a screwdriver. but we've gone out, talk to family, look, you need to come up to the Queen Elizabeth. They've given us six hours. If she lasts six hours, it goes to 12 and 24, etc. But you had no hope at that point that she was going to recover.

I held out hope. I was like, oh no, she'll be okay. This is Rianna and she could bounce his back from anything. And then by the time, we went out to call family and the consultant says, we're going to take her to ICU. Well, in between recess and ICU, she crashed. So when we got up to ICU to her, she was tubed up. She was on machines.

So it was like looking at a completely different girl again, heartbreaking. And she hung on for three days? Yeah. Was that torture? Yeah, but we were told that she was blind. She should have survived. She had been blind. But it had been hard.

But, you know, for her, we would have looked after her. Of course we would have. But no, we got her straight through the brain stem. And over that period, Chauvonne, did you start to have any idea that the person who had done this to your daughter was actually living at the hotel where she worked? Did you know that yet?

What has happened is he got arrested within five hours. Megan from British transport, that was with, because we obviously had police at the hospital. She says, oh, we've made an arrest. And I remember saying, was he from the hotel? She goes, oh, I don't know. I said, he must have been. I don't know, we can't really say, whatever.

And then it turned out he was from the hotel. Did you have a gut feeling? Yeah. I did. I kind of knew. It's like, I don't know, motherly instinct, I suppose. I just kept saying he's from that hotel. And they were like, well, we don't know.

No, he's from the hotel. And then when we met with the liaison officers early hours of Monday, I think, I can't remember. But they kind of explained, yes, he was from the hotel. And he was in the south. on attempted murder. And then, of course, you lose her. Yeah, three days later.

We have to turn off a life support. Then it got changed to murder. But we phoned the police to say, look, we're turning off Rihanna's life support because there was literally, I remember saying, it probably sounds a bit daff, but I remember saying,

please don't let her die on Tuesday because it was my youngest daughter's birthday. And they were like, well, obviously they can't stop it But it was just me praying, I suppose And then the Tuesday, all the family And we were a big family had been saying goodbye, I suppose Even though you don't want to And my eldest grandson was 17 at the time

And he'd gone in and he was sat Rihanna on his own And when my daughter went in to check on him, Rihanna had a tear And then after that she declined. And then we got told the Tuesday night not to go far. So you think she could hear you guys? I'm hoping she could. I'm hoping she could.

You got a chance to say goodbye? Yeah. We all told her we loved her and, you know, we'd look after a little boy and, you know, fight justice. And then... Then you have to tell a little boy. Yeah, we told him after, yeah. That's the most heartbreaking. Obviously it's all heartbreaking, but that's something that you just,

how did you tell a child to five? Hardest moment of your life? Mm-hmm. And how do you? I don't know how we did it, but we did it. Yeah. It's just, you know, he's so innocent. He's a child.

They're all innocent. And then to tell him that she comes to heaven, you know, and he's like, I need my vitamins. I don't want to get a bad brain. I don't want to get a poorly brain. And we can't. punish the child by saying oh yeah take your vitamins we have to say no look this happens so sitting with him listen to his screams sitting with him crying in bed at night they don't

realize people that don't see this don't realize what we've gone through I can only imagine I mean how present is Rianan and his his life now how is he coping now all of these He's okay. Is he six now? He's six now, yeah. He goes to bed every night with her, Teddy Bay with a picture on, a picture of her and him.

He'll talk about, at first he used to get upset. You couldn't even mention a name and he'd cry. But now he talks about the funny stories, like the memories. Oh, do you remember this? And yeah, yeah, I remember that. And this is what keeps him. But my worry is he's going to grow up

and he's going to know the truth. And this is, yeah, and this is why we're protecting him now as much as we possibly can. How do you comprehend that? Exactly. So how does a six-year-old do that? Yeah. Yeah. But as you grow up and how are you not angry and how do you not let that destroy your life?

It's incomprehensible for me as well to even get my head around the fact that we are continuing to allow this to happen as a country. Now there's something really important to me, Chauvant, because one thing that I have been so delighted about, and I know that's a weird word to use, but with your family is that you have been prepared to speak about this because so often the victims, and of course it is an individual choice, go to ground and you never hear from them again. And very often I am suspicious. I'm not going to lie. I am suspicious that the police and the authorities put the fear of God in families not to speak. And I just wonder if that happened at all with you. Are you told, look, if you speak how this could impact the prosecution, it's better not to make this political. Was there an attempt to almost shut you up?

No. All they said, to be honest, it was my choice not to speak because I didn't want Rihanna's case jeopardised. So everything that was said between the police and myself and family was kept private. The only thing they did say was about the Southport. We don't want another Southport incident. Well, God forbid I don't mean it this way, but that was the least of my worries at the time.

the poor girls obviously my heart goes out to one but all I wanted to say was no we weren't pressured but who said that to you the police said about the Southport they didn't want another Southport

which is understandable because you don't but at the same time but they're talking about the public response yeah and the the moving amount of the hotel now I understand that But at the same time, that was the least of my worries. Probably a bit of selfishness.

But that was, I was concentrating on my daughter. But I did say to the police, I've got no reason to speak out because I need justice for Riannan. Yes. I don't want to be speaking out and something gets said and taken out of context and ruining everything. So that was my choice not to talk. I understand that.

And you now have got justice. and thank God you have launched this foundation and we can now give Rianne that voice. But I am very fascinated by that, Chavon, because I don't believe that this is how the police should be thinking. It's always about we don't want to cause this. We don't want to cause that. Well, actually, maybe people have to start getting angry at the truth.

And by the way, I don't for a single second to advocate violence. I never have. That's never been my mind. way ever, ever, ever. The thing is, this is what's happening. It's the violence that's taken over. The violence that's happening in our country is taken over our country. Europe, they're everywhere.

Just everywhere is violence. And the thing is, if the priority of the police after a tragedy like yours, and I completely hear what you're saying, of course it's not your priority, you're just trying to get through, for God's sake, the worst moment of your life. but to me it's very telling that the police are thinking about, oh, how are people going to respond? We can't have another suffer. Well, think about stopping these people committing the crimes.

And then you're not going to have that. And I do believe when it came to Riannon's case that there was a bid to quell public anger. I really do believe that. I think there was an attention. And this happens all the time not to talk about the details, to tell the media that if you dare report any of the details, that you're going to compromise the case. And I think what that means is we have a culture of cover up now. Because when was it that you were told?

We're not going to name him. Let's just call him the animal. But when were you told that this animal had legally entered the country just three months before he killed? your daughter. Not long after Rianan passed away. So you did know? I knew not long after Rianan passed away, yeah, that he'd been in the country 11 weeks.

But again, I mean, the one thing I would have said about the police is, if it hadn't been for British Transport Police, we would not have got an arrest. Because in my heart of heart, I believe he would have got up that day and gone. Just scarped? Just scarped, yeah. So you praise them for their quick action

in terms of getting to the hotel and arresting? Every step of the way, I will. Honestly, they've been, you know, they've helped me all through the case. They've, I won't even say they've told me to not speak. I've chosen not to speak because I didn't want to jeopardise anything for Riannon. But they've been very open and honest with how things are going and they've got, sadly, a lot of cases like this. I have to deal with on a daily. And they have been brilliant.

and I will always put that out. British transport police have been fantastic. How did you feel when you were told that he was an illegal who had entered the country just 11 weeks earlier? And what do you know about that journey here? I was angry. I'm angry. We just know that.

I mean, it must be rage. It must be uncontrollable rage. More and more has come out in court, and I really think it's all just lies because it's been consistent lies. the way through, but he's saying he came from South Sudan to North Sudan. He went to North Sudan for his own safety. Ironic, really, he left his wife and his pregnant wife and his family there. He then travelled to Libya. Go from Libya to Germany, spent a year in Germany. He speaks

fluent German, by the way, denied asylum. Gone to Italy, denied asylum. I don't know how long he was in Italy. Going to France, again, don't know how long it was there. It comes to England. It gets put up in a hotel. On a small boat? On a small boat. 11 weeks. So you are told this before the court case. Told it during everything, yeah. You know, you talk to the police and you find all

things out. Yeah. It's shocking, but I don't think anything surprises me anymore. How did you feel political? specifically, Chavon, before Riannon was killed, were you concerned about the invasion of our country at that point? It was like I was explaining to my brother earlier, and many people I spoke to, I didn't get involved in the politics side.

I didn't listen to the radio. I didn't watch the news because... It's too horrendous. I used to feel sorry for these families, never thinking we were going to be thrown into that situation. Now, wow. I think Stama, they blame it. Yes, I understand it's politicians before him.

But if you really want to make your country happy, stop it. Stop it. Stop it. It could stop overnight. Yeah. It could stop overnight if there was the political will to do so. Yeah. And you've lost your daughter.

Your grandson has lost his mother. Yeah. And this is why I'm so happy. And I know that talking about this must be. So difficult, but thank you. And I really do mean that because unless the families start talking about the true human cost of this invasion, unfortunately, the politicians are going to keep getting away with it. Yep. And I think that's where Southport was different and why the specter of Southport still looms large. As you know, the police immediately mentioned it to you because we couldn't

ignore that. No. We couldn't ignore those three little girls who go to a Taylor Swift dance class, but we also can't ignore what happened to Riannon, a good woman, a good mother who was working in honest living, who was doing everything possible to help those migrants, and still they killed her. Now, I just want to take a quick look at the judge in the case, because he did actually reveal that this monster had lied about his age on top of everything else. So this was during the sentencing. Let's just take a look.

In July, 2024, you entered this country. You claimed you were born in Sudan in or about January 2006 and were thus 18. However, in the course of your long journey from Sudan, you had passed through Italy, Germany and France, and your identification papers from Germany recorded your date of birth as the 1st of January 19, You said that the year was a mistake.

Having read the comprehensive report by the two experienced assessors and its supporting materials, I am sure you were over 21 at the dates of your conviction and the offence. I accept their conclusion that your present age is between 25 and 28. I consider that the greatest likelihood is that you were born. in 1998 as the German documents attest. I therefore sentence you on the basis that you were aged 26 at the date of Riannon's murder. So is there something that they do

to try and reduce their sentences? Is that why they try and make themselves look younger? They've all got the same, not all, majority have the same generic birthday of the first of the first. He's obviously tried to lie and say he was 19 when he committed to crime. He was meant to, in Wolverhampton, he was meant to have gone through a bone density, wasn't done. So they sent the home office in. The whole case should have been over, court date should have been over by December the 15th last year.

and because of him again doing what he wants we had to get the home office in to confirm his age but he was still lying because he made you go through this trial of course

which meant that you had to relive the details but this was the moment when he was sentenced I just want you to look at this ding Cholmajek on the count of murder and as the law required the sentence is imprisonment for life. I turn to the minimum sentence which you must serve in custody

before you may apply to the parole board to be considered for release. Having regard to all the matters to which I have referred, I set that minimum term at 29 years. From this must be deducted the 466 days you have spent on remand in custody. This means that the minimum term, you will serve before you can be considered for release is 27 years and 264 days. Yes, please take him.

How did that moment feel? Nothing will ever be enough. But to know that he will probably never get out on parole and to know that it will never hurt anybody else. But that's justice for Rianan. So you don't think he ever will be released? No. He doesn't show, he's never going to admit what he did. I mean, through the court case, he lied consistently called forensics liars.

I don't think he'll ever admit what he did. And with his latitude, down years, lack of remorse, I can't even, even the judge thinks he won't get it. Parole, that's 27 years. What was it like being in the same room as him? horrible horrible but the worst part

was when he was in the witness box and he was literally feet from us but knowing that he was in that box behind us the whole time I just felt compared to stare to let him know that he's not going to

scare me or intimidate me the way he probably did reality but no compassion one single I owe to compassion in any way I didn't care Do you think that's a cultural thing? I don't know

I can't comment on that but he just did not care showed no remorse nothing just slouch in his seat and then when he was doing his he's been questioned

he was the thing just stood there like he just didn't care and it was like I wasn't there I wasn't there, but, you know, my barrister, Michelle Healy, it was absolutely fantastic, but even she said, but you're there on CCTV, and he was going, it wasn't me. Just did not care.

Could he speak English? Yeah. In one of our, it was like a quick meeting thing. It wasn't a family thing. It was just myself and my daughter. And my barrister said, look, I've, believe he speaks fluent German, so I will speak to him in German. And there's only myself, the police and the barristers,

and she went to speak to him in German, and he says, I understand and speak English. Even the judge was like, and all of a sudden he can't speak English again. But when he's arrested, what's your name, Deng Chol? No, I don't believe that he can't speak it. Were your victim impact statements read in court? Were you able to see if he reacted to them? Yeah, I stared at him as I was reading it.

Nothing, just put his head down and just sat there. But my last words to him, obviously I told him that I hate him, but the love I feel for Riannon will overpower that. He's nothing to me. He's irrelevant to me. Yeah. You know, the love I feel for Riannon is more than the hate I feel for him. But I also said, I hope he never gets out.

He doesn't deserve family. He doesn't serve people to care for him. Well, Riannon's got people that love and care for her. And the last thing I said as I looked at him was, well, let me see you dancing now. And I just walked away. when were you told of the existence of the CCTV video that showed him dancing after killing your daughter

it was probably a couple of months after we'd gone up to birmingham police station and they told us the CCTV well it takes a while to get them but two three months we'd gone up and we watched a whole footage of him from the hotel to him dancing before it was shown in court yeah

so you were prepared we were prepared how did you feel I was heartbroken like her final steps that I can't get past her final steps but we had to drive over that motorway to get to the court

every day and it was horrible because you look at it and you think that's her final steps because of him yeah Are you thinking what? You want to scream out to her turn around? I mean, how does it feel?

I just want it not to be real. Yeah. You know, you wake up and you... I mean, even now when we talk about it, it's... I feel guilty for feeling happy. I feel guilty because I will always live the guilt that I couldn't protect her.

Mm-hmm. And then I get happy. I feel guilty. I shouldn't be laughing. And this is all caused by one person. Mm-hmm. Who should not have been here? Who should not have been here, yeah.

It's too much to take him. And who seemed to celebrate? He danced on her grave. Literally, yeah. Yeah, he danced on her grave. And by the way, there'll be people out there who are thinking, something must have gone down between this monster and Chauvon. They must have had a run and something like that.

But that's completely not true, right? She had nothing to do with her. of biscuits and I got sick of saying people it's not about biscuits there was nothing there hadn't even been he didn't even know a name she didn't even know his name no communication between the two

at all totally and by the way not that it would have excused it for a single second but I just think it's really important that people know there wasn't some type of beef between them there hadn't been any sort of crossed words between them he just decided to

target her for no particular reason. No reason. No. And this is what we live with. Why? And did you get any answer to that during the court case at all? No. It's like why and he just, we don't know why. And we'll never know why. He just decided that he was going to do it and that was out. Now, you have been incredibly upfront in who you blame for this. and your appearance on G.B. News has sparked a huge amount of very important debate. And I just want to show you this moment where you called out the man who I call Slippery Stama on live TV. Watch this. This is with Dornney, Simon, Eamon Homes.

Who are you angry at? Stama and the government for allowing this to happen. And I won't back down from it either because he's got the blood of Rianan. and these other women and men on its children on his hands. So it needs to take accountability and he needs to take his head out of his backside and stand up and realise what is going on in his country. Now, there's been a lot of pushback from within Labour saying,

oh no, we've reached out to the family. No. Have you heard from the government at all? No. It's like we come back to the Jess Phillips And Because she claims that she's reached out to you No

Honestly I promise you now She spoke to my Not me directly I had done something previous With the police a day before And my I just not in the headspace

But Alex Rihanna and Kara Alex Emma and Kara Sorry went to meet Jess Phillips In Birmingham Half an hour She promised Do this infirmament or do this in Riannon's name, et cetera, et cetera.

Not a single word from that woman since. Alex tries to reach out to her twice. Nothing. Absolutely. Nothing. And then she goes to the House of Parliament and she's naming the women that have died. Sadly, the amount of women that have died

in the past year or so when it's Riannon Sly. Well, if you're working with her, surely you know my daughter's name? She, honestly, nothing from the... So what she got her name wrong? Yeah. And you've heard nothing from Jess Phillips since that interview? Not a single thing, no.

It'll be nothing. They brushed under the carpet, that was it. I mean, I did say I was nothing, nothing, but then I remember she spoke to my girls literally for half an hour. But not one single thing since that day. What do you want to say to Jess Phillips? Absolutely nothing.

I do not want to be in the same room as I think she's via woman. You know? She's just gone into hiding and, you know, the government, they stick together. I understand that. Well, the terrible thing here for me is that Riannon's murder does not fit their political agenda. Exactly. So as a result, they have cut you up because we have seen Stama meet with the parents of other victims, but of course, not any that are connected to illegal immigration.

I was about to say illegals, yeah, nothing like that. that it's absolutely nothing. I mean, like our local MP, Matt Western, I reached out to him. My nephew reached out to him. Nothing. And he's a Labour MP? Yeah, but Lemington.

And I think he responded to my nephew whenever 15 months ago. But he replied to my niece. Send my condolences to the family, etc., etc. And then was rambling on about, we'll get a bench. This was 15 months ago.

and we've heard nothing but now we've started to say listen you have not been there I'm suddenly getting emails I don't want it I'm not replying I'm not interested but they want to get a bench in Rihanna's saying

well I'm not being funny if I want a bench me and my family will get a bench from my mother and my daughter and put it where their ashes are not a crowd fund you know I'll put a donation keep your money I don't want it No, but like I said, Darren Grimes, you know, I've spoke to him and he's a lovely guy.

He is. And he's kept things personal and private. And he put us in touch today, which I'm so grateful for. And I think that was so shocking to me that, I mean, Darren is obviously a Reform UK counsellor, but he was the only high profile person who reached out to you after Rianans. Yeah. And he's been there all the time. you know, we speak privately

and he's not repeated something, you know, because I've probably not gone, you know, but, you know, you're talking and, you know, and he's never, ever put it out there. You know, some media would pick it up and be like, oh, he's been, he's been lovely, to be fair, for the past. Well, he's a great man. But no other politicians.

Not one single person, no. It's just an indictment on our entire political class it really is. Would you meet Stama now? Yeah. And what would you tell him? How I feel. I think he's disgusting. You know, I can't blame him for the whole immigrant thing.

It's been going on for years. That's not a thing. But if he's so concerned about his women and children, why is he not acting on his words? He's just another one who will say it and doesn't follow it through. And what they do is they brush it under the car. and they bring more news in about Epstein or Mandelson. Well, now you can start feeling guilty,

but what about the children of this country? Well, the reality is, if he had stuck to his promise of stopping the boats, then we would not have murders. No. Like the murder of Rihanna. We would not have the sex assaults. I mean, I just at the weekend,

met the father of the young teenager who was sexually assaulted and epine and caused all of those issues which then spread up and down the country. And look, his daughter's alive. Thank God. But her life has changed forever. Exactly. I've got to say her life has changed forever, isn't it? And why is it, why is you not acting on it?

But you get, you know, Sadiq Khan, Mammuz, where are they? but I can guarantee you now if this was their family it would be stopped so you haven't heard from the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood no nothing absolutely not a word

and then I think one of the most disgusting things I have seen in recent memory was when the Labour representative Karen Smith went on GB news following your

interview and claimed to know nothing about Rianan's case. About Riannon at all. And I just want to show you this because it was so hard to believe that this happened. Watch. We interviewed Shavon White yesterday, the mum of Rianan, who was murdered by an illegal migrant. It was a horrific murder,

and Chavon was in tears talking about her daughter. She's had no contact from the government whatsoever. Can you tell us why not, please? I'm not aware of that particular shocking, again, terrible example. Violence against women and girls is the central plank of what the Prime Minister personally is leading work against. We launched our plan on that before Christmas. It's something the Prime Minister led very strongly as a member, as when he led as Director of Public Prosecutions, before he was a Member of Parliament.

His personal commitment to this agenda, I think he's very clear. He's met many, many victims. He's prosecuted many perpetrators and it's continued that work with my colleague Jess Phillips in government. I can't comment on that specific example in relationship. I'm afraid I haven't heard of that one. Karen, I'm a little bit surprised you're not aware of this case. I mean, the person that murdered Rianan was sentenced to life in prison just on Friday. It was a horrific incident.

It's been in all the newspapers. She was murdered by an illegal migrant. I'm sorry, I'm not aware of the con. I'm not aware of what. What you said was I'm not aware of the contact directly with the government. Obviously, I'm here soon to talk about our cancer plan for children. Please don't change the subject. This is so important to our viewer.

I haven't heard of that one. She is a minister of state. I know. Could you believe that? No, I was shocked. Someone actually tagged me in it. I was talking to my brother about it this morning. And I just thought, the woman didn't even know what she seems to be talking about anyway.

But referring to Riannon as that one. Disgusting. Yeah. Disgusting. But it shows you the lack of respect, doesn't it? There's no respect. Clearly there's not. And we just have to remember here, Riannon was not political.

No. She was not a political figure. She was a woman at work. A young mom. Living. Everything this government should be supporting. She was not a political figure. And she's called that one.

It's a disgrace. But as I say, this is why I really do believe there has been one of these cover-ups surrounding this case and why I'm so happy that you were speaking. And I also have to say, your other daughter, Alex, has done some incredible work. I just want to show you her delivering this very powerful speech at an illegal, migrant protest. Watch this. My sister did not deserve to die. Rianen's

now six-year-old son. He knows what happened to his mother. People want to stand here and chant let them stay. Immigration should be legal. We should know who is coming into our country,

who is blocking our streets, but instead, no, the government want to allow these people into our country. no idea what crimes they've committed in other countries. Our government have a lot to answer to. Immigration is done correctly and we have amazing doctors, nurses, teachers. This needs to end in Rianan's name and in every other woman who was affected by this

and her son who has to grow up without a mother. This ends now. We make a change now. I just thought that was so powerful. I played it on my show at the time. She then seemed to clash with some counter-protesters who were defending the right of illegals to stay in Britain. Watch this.

Fucking old man. He's working in a micro-coatown. Yeah? 23 days in the country 11 weeks prior on a dingin it 11 weeks 11 weeks these small pairs of hours 20 wins 23 stab wounds to their breast and a arm

and the rival in that kid and straight and poor of the race and these bastards are standing in fending her show your face they're behind the side show your head how big why this is and don't get the highest scrap what's service Her sister was murdered.

Murdered. It could happen to any of you not. Charonan, it upsets me so much seeing that. What were those protesters saying? We've actually gone up for a vigil and a candle, a lit vigil for Rianen. Little did we know that the lefties turned up outside the hotel where we were doing the peaceful vigil for her, really.

and So they counter-protested a vigil? Counter-protested, yeah. And they were just, they were horrible. They were awful people. And these are the people who claim to have humanity, remember? Well, they don't seem to have any humanity for your family. No, and again, like I said, Ryan,

razor colours, they said, this is a vigil for a young mother who's been stabbed. And they just, I think shrugged their shoulders that is basically they have a right to live here well my Riannan had a right to live in any part of the world she wanted

so no they don't have a right to live here while they're committing these crimes but they basically were attacking us with words so we just attacked back we shouldn't have but you're so full of anger oh I think you should I think you absolutely should have actually I think you absolutely should have

I mean, I am so disgusted that these hard left activists only seem to care about the invaders of this country. They don't give a damn about the native population who are being attacked, who are being raped and who are being killed. You know, you are literally a living example of what these horrors. I'm committing. So it was very much upset to me. Because we're against them. So that's where their hate and their comments come up. But it's when you ask them,

have them in your house or in a hotel near you, they don't say a word. No. Not a single word. Of course not. They just stand back. Hide behind placards or, no. But they cannot answer that.

Would you have them in your home? which I asked in Wolverhampton on that day, and they all just, why is she asking, is this, put us on the spot? No, you won't have them. Of course they won't. But why should we? Now, the Rianan White Foundation is going to be a lasting and important legacy for your daughter. Yeah.

That must feel really important because, I mean, there is no positive to come out of this, to Chauvonne, I can't say that there is of the crime. But for you to have a voice, for you to fight for Riannon, to seek justice for her, but also now to help people who are going through something similar, I think is actually an incredible legacy that she will leave. This is, yes, I'm very proud of the foundation and I love what, you know, talking to Wala and setting it up, etc. And again, it is a legacy in Riannon's name for her little boy.

family. But I know now for first-hand experience how people will feel. And I'm still broken to this day. But I think if I can help ourselves, can help people and innocent children, innocent children in this situation, we'll power on in Rihanna's name to get this going to help of the families.

And you've had a huge amount of support, but also some criticism? Oh, we've had a lot of negativity as well, yeah. What, online? Online, yeah. And how can people criticise this? I don't understand. Well, they, like I said to you earlier,

they go on about the blue hair and this and that, and well, she shouldn't have been there. And the most cutting one was, well, you're a mum. You should have protected her. Well, I'm sorry, she was 27. I can't ground her. So these are lefties, are they? I assume so, yeah.

And they are trolling Riannan. put up, anything related to Riannan, they are just negative, negative, negative, negative. Pink ladies, it puts something up, raised the colours, put something up. Us, we put something up and it's negative, negative, negative. They really are disgusting. Mm-hmm. How do you want people to remember Rihanna? That's the person she was.

The whole reason we are doing this foundation is for Rianin, because this is how she was once other people to remember her because she's support anyone she'll help anyone and if we can do that in her name I know she'd love it and where can people find out more about the foundation

is there a way to support it yeah there's a link on Instagram there's links on Facebook all they would be putting it out later yeah and it's the Rianan White Foundation and White is spelt with why. Amazing.

Well, look, I think you're a brilliant woman. It's such a shame that I never got the opportunity to meet Rianne, but she clearly was raised by an amazing mother. Thank you. And I'm so proud of what you're doing. I'm so delighted that you're doing it. Again, I stress. I don't put pressure on any family members.

I know everyone deals with these things in their own way. And I do respect that. But for you to be able to speak out and to finally give a voice to the true horror of what these crimes are causing for real people. Honestly, I am so, so happy. I will continue to do that in Rihanna's name if it's going to help. Oh, it's helping. Other people, yeah.

It's absolutely helping. So I'm so appreciating you being here on Outspoken. We will stay in touch, please. Definitely, yeah. Thank you so much to Chavon White. And, of course, I will post the link to the very, very important Rihanna White Foundation. in our description on YouTube. Thank you so much for your company.

This has been a very special edition of Outspoken today. So, of course, we will return live with all of our regular features on Monday. For now, we are moving over to Substack for the Royal Uncanceled After Show. You can join us there at www.outspoken.live. In the meantime, I hope you have a wonderful weekend. I will see you 5pm UK time Monday, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.