Dan Wootton Outspoken - RICHARD TICE EMERGENCY JAIL VISIT AFTER LUCY CONNOLLY IN HORROR ATTACK BY PRISON GUARDS

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Britain’s political prisoner Lucy Connolly has been attacked by staff in prison, prompting a visit today by Reform UK Deputy Leader Richard Tice, as a petition by Rupert Lowe to stop ordinary folk being locked up for social media posts reaches 164,000. In his Digest, Dan will reveal the latest on the shocking deep state persecution of Lucy and we’ll hear exclusively what her Tory councillor husband makes of the attack which has left her covered in bruises. Then the Superstar Panel weighs in: Suzanne Evans, former UKIP deputy chair who now writes on business and politics on the Political Insight Substack, and Samantha Smith, the political commentator and columnist. PLUS: Woke ITV accuses Reform UK of racism in an insane hit piece involving the broadcast of private voice recordings. AND: GB News in meltdown as a star presenter SUES for racism and another host melts down live on air after a succession of tech blunders. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle’s grossest stunt ever, as she uses Princess Diana’s birthday to launch her awful new rose wine. We’ll get the inside story from our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Spend No Bias No Censorship, I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Life episode number 255. And if you were doubting that President Donald Trump will go down in their history books as the true great and undoubted original, then today's message to Israel and Iran after they questioned his precious ceasefire will prove you wrong. fire will prove you wrong. If only all leaders could just tell the fucking truth like that. Sorry, I couldn't resist. But breaking right now, something that really actually does make me want to swear in blind rage. Britain's political prisoner Lucy Connolly has been attacked by staff in prison, prompting a visit today by Reform UK's deputy leader Richard Tice as a petition by Richard, by Rupert Lowe, sorry, to stop ordinary folk being locked

up for social media posts reaches 164,000. Stimulate a debate in Westminster Hall on the proportionality of this sentence for a misguided social media post, which I think legally it could be argued was not inciting violence, but simply commenting on the situation, which was highly charged. In my Digest Next, I'll reveal the latest on the shocking deep state persecution of Lucy Connolly,

as we'll hear exclusively what her Tory councilor husband makes of the attack which has left her covered in bruises. Then my superstar panel weighs in. Today we're joined by Suzanne Evans, former UKIP deputy chair who now writes on business and politics on the political insight sub stack, and Alex Phillips of the That's What She Said sub stack. Also coming up on the show today,

Woke ITV accuses Reform UK of racism in an insane hit piece involving the broadcast of private voice recordings I'm going to show you. GB News and Meltdown as a star presenter sues for racism and another host goes mad live on air after a succession of tech blunders. And Sly News and LBC reject BBC Breakfast presenter Naga Munchetti after a host of bullying and sex talk allegations. What will the corporation do now? Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Meghan Markle's grossest stunt ever as she uses Princess Diana's birthday to launch her awful new rose wine. We'll get the inside story from our royal mastermind Angela Levin. You can sign up www.outspoken.live.

At the end of the show, we'll also be revealing today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass, but the Union Jackass, the worst Britain in the world today. That's down to you. You can get voting on the YouTube live chat. Here are your nominees. Whom's a useless nominated by Chris Davies for his unstinting support for the soon to be prescribed Palestinian action. He was born to be on the wrong side of history. Zara Sultana nominated by Karen Hanke as sitting MP supporting the prescribed

terrorist group. And this is a first, Lee Anderson nominated by Scottish A43, yet another attempt at smearing Rupert Lowe. What a coincidence, the journalist that broke the story about Rupert's dog just happened to be on Lee Anderson's GB News show the night before. Okay, get voting now. I'll bring the results and your comments at the end of the show. But now, let's go. your comments at the end of the show. But now let's go. I am disgusted to report today that Britain's political prisoner, Lucy Connolly, the grieving mother locked up for 31 months for a singular ex post later deleted on the day of the triggering Southport massacre has been attacked behind

bars by the prison staff who are meant to be protecting her. As you know, Outspoken has led the campaign against this very real miscarriage of justice, raising awareness about Britain's political prisoners and pushing back on that warped MSM narrative that Lucy was some sort of racist ne'er-do-well attempting to sow public discord. Indeed the opposite is true. Lucy is a patriotic caregiver to young families of all nationalities who like so many of us, opposes the mass, uncontrolled immigration and illegal invasion via the channel putting Brits at risk from scum like that guy Axel Rudekibana. But the British deep state is furious that thanks

to the campaign led here in the independent media and by the brilliant Alison Pearson in the Daily Telegraph, Lucy Connolly's case now shames Britain on a global stage. So they intend to not only continue the persecution of Lucy but terrify her. I can reveal today that Lucy Connolly has been warned about staying silent upon her release for example. And last Thursday she was subjected to the most disgusting treatment behind bars at HMP Peterborough where she was told unexpectedly that she would have to move to a different wing into a dirty violent prisoners in the jail. It is a unit where she would have been locked up, or she is locked up, for 23 hours a day. Now Lucy, who is a gentle,

a lovely soul, when she questioned this move, it was immediately interpreted as her refusing to go, and she was dealt with in an extremely forceful manner. Indeed, the attack by the prison authorities has left her covered in bruises. Now remember, this is a woman who is in jail not for any violent crime, but for posting one tweet that she deleted within hours. I have held off reporting this news until today because I knew that Reform UK Deputy Leader Richard Tice had agreed to visit Lucy behind bars in order to survey her injuries for himself. And he can confirm the story.

Having met with Lucy today, he has gone public to claim she has been manhandled without provocation, handcuffed and stripped of privileges by prison authorities in a politically motivated attack designed to provoke a response from Connolly. This is exactly what Tice has said this afternoon, let me take you through it. Five days after the incident, the bruises on her wrist are still significant, yellow. It was obviously horrible what she went through. On Thursday she was manhandled, mistreated with no provocation. She was mistreated, no question about it.

In the hours after her removal to the new wing, she was starved, not given lunch or dinner, no food. She was denied enhanced accommodation, to which she was entitled, and they gave her frankly the nutters wild wing, drugies violence. Richard Tice goes on to say you have to think it's politically motivated. I think the next few weeks before her release are going to be very challenging, worrying. I think it would suit the authorities to want to provoke a violent reaction from Lucy. I told Lucy to be very careful. This is sick folks. This is the deep state persecution of a political prisoner behind bars. Good on Richard Tice for being the only MP who has agreed to see Lucy in the flesh.

He also today, I can reveal, met the head of security at HMP Peterborough, who is now taking the complaint very seriously indeed. This is a highly sensitive moment for Slippery Starmers' corrupt government. Given later this week, Tice will introduce legislation nicknamed Lucy's Bill which would create a backstop against overly harsh sentences for ordinary folk like Connolly. Lucy's husband, Raymond Connolly, the former Conservative councillor, has responded to this outrageous attack today in an exclusive statement to Outspoken. I can't tell you how relieved I am that Richard Tice MP has been to see Lucy. I was gussered when I saw her on Sunday. Her wrists were

really bruised. Some very weird things have been happening to her inside prison. It's strange because Lucy just likes to get along with everyone, and mother the young ones. My wife has had a two-tier prison experience. Why has she not had release on temporary licence when other haves? I don't know who is pulling the strings, but something funny is going on in relation to the way my wife is treated by the prison service. Can you imagine what it's like for me, as her husband, hearing what is happening to my wife and what she is having to deal with, and I can't do anything to protect her. I'm horrified by some of the things she has told me. I really worry about Lucy. I'm so thankful to Richard Tice for going to check on her safety as an MP, and I feel reassured that someone like him is looking out for her.

It makes all the difference in the world to my family." Now, even though this isn't the main thing that Raymond cares about, I can also tell you that the persecution of Lucy's husband has been continuing by the authorities too, although I am very glad today to report some good news on that front. Raymond Connolly was recently told that he has no case to answer by West Northamptonshire Council in its spurious Code of Conduct complaint. They were investigating him simply because he spoke out in support of his wife after her appalling conviction and said she wasn't racist. Shame on them.

I also want to congratulate the former Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe, who is fully behind Lucy 2 and in consultation with Raymond and the family has launched a petition which has remarkably garnered 164,000 signatures in just a matter of days. Now Rupert Lowe says he's taken action because this is not the Britain that we know and love. And here in another outspoken exclusive, the great Yarmouth MP explains what his plan is now. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm absolutely delighted to say we've now breached 165,000 signatures on our Lucy Cognnett petition. The overwhelming support we've received from particularly Great Yarmouth, from the East Coast in its entirety, sort of indicates that we've got the support of some very sound people

on the eastern side of the country and other parts of the country as well. So I think hopefully now we can work hard to stimulate a debate in Westminster Hall on the proportionality of this sentence for a misguided social media post which I think legally it could be argued was not inciting violence but simply commenting on the situation, which was highly charged at the time. Lucy's not the only person. We have the support of Lucy and Ray Connelly's family. Lucy's not the only person who suffered from this.

So hopefully with the support, the clear support we've got in the country, So hopefully with the support, the clear support we've got in the country, we can argue and debate about whether or not we have got a legal system which proportionately responds to social media posts when juxtaposed against criminal crime and other forms of physical violence against decent law abiding citizens. Thank you. Now look, this is dark. What Stammer and his Attorney General best friend Richard Herma are doing is so dark. There are many suspicions that this persecution of Lucy Connolly is coming from the top, coming directly from the AG. And it's dark. And trust me, Lucy Connolly represents only the tip of the iceberg. So what I just want to say is I think it's essential that we do not become desensitized to this inhumane cruelty which is designed to do one thing and one thing only terrify us all into permanent silence. Now, the superstar panel.

Brilliant to have Suzanne Evans and Alex Phillips here today. Alex, this is utterly horrifying. I found out about what I believe was a physical attack on Lucy last Thursday, but I thought it was important that we waited for Richard Tice to actually get into the prison. By the way, I'm not allowed to go, not allowed to go to see Lucy as a journalist. That's something prison authorities have decided. But Richard Lowe as a serving MP is allowed in and he's seen the bruises for himself today. And you heard from him there, Alex,

he's clearly very concerned. Yeah, as we should all be, because this is absolutely horrifying. There is absolutely no way under the sun that Lucy Connolly poses a threat to prison wardens or other inmates from what we know about her. In fact, the last thing I had heard from those who know Lucy was actually she was a very popular inmate inside. Was seen as a bit of a mother figure by some of the other prisoners. And so I cannot imagine there being any excuse whatsoever that that woman has been manhandled to the point of injury. It's

disgusting, it's appalling, it terrifies me that this is the country we now live in and I'm really glad, Dan, actually, in your introduction you pointed out the connection here to the Attorney General. Because it's only just occurred to me recently that it would have been Lord Herman, one imagines, who presided over forcing all of these people to plead guilty and making sure they got really long sentences and were imprisoned. That man is a disgrace. Why someone who is an extreme leftist, a radical that once worked with Sakir Starmer but otherwise has no political experience, is somehow now running our country, I don't know, because when it comes to interventions of foreign affairs, when it comes to the judge's judification of those trials post the Southport riots, it's him. Stammer seems to allow him to determine everything, and it's deeply alarming. Jason Vale Susan Evans, I mean, it is deeply alarming, but what do you make of this treatment of Lucy?

I can't believe it. Well, I can believe it. I mean, prison's a terrible place to be. And I was deeply worried for Lucy's welfare from the other prisoners, actually, because I wouldn't want to be in prison. None of us would want to be in prison. We've all seen the documentaries and the dramas

about how difficult it is and how dangerous some of the other prisoners can be. But in this case, it's even more horrifying, because it seems to be the staff who have been said to attack Lucy. Now I cannot see any reason for that other than as Alex said and you said it's coming from the top because why would a prison officer have any reason to attack, who by all accounts is a model prisoner, a woman who is not violent and has not been violent and as Alex said should absolutely not be in prison for what she did. So how on earth has this been allowed to happen? And I'm really so pleased that Richard Tice has asked for a full inquiry into this. I was

particularly pleased to see that he's clearly asking for body cam footage, for CCTV footage, and has made it very clear that if that has somehow gone missing, he's going to be asking some very serious questions of the prison authorities as he should. So I think we should all see that body cam footage, to be honest. If model prisoners are being abused in prison, then we are at a very, very sorry pass indeed. And I do feel for Lucy's husband, what he's going through must be hell. It does seem to me that she has been the victim of not just an initial injustice by being sent to prison in the first place, but the way in which she is now being treated, her appeal denied on my view and spurious grounds, not being allowed day release to see her children. It's not acceptable.

And every day we are seeing people who have committed far more heinous crimes, getting off, getting a light sentence, maybe just being even fined. And yet there is Lucy. They want her to rot in jail. I think this was an attempt to provoke her to try and potentially keep her in prison longer. It's absolutely despicable

and when she gets out I look forward to her telling the whole world her story and what she's had to put up with and of course that is what they do not want and which is why very very sadly as Richard Tice warned her she does have to be very very careful. She. She has to be so careful that they do not provoke her into something over the next couple of weeks. But I mean, that statement from Raymond Connolly, Alex, who I have been speaking to over the last few days and isn't in a great way, I just found it so heartbreaking him saying, hearing what is happening to my wife and what she's having to deal with, and I can't do anything to protect her.

It must just be horrifying. Especially given that she's now in this wing, Alex, with the murderers, with the crazies, with the drug dealers. It's just nuts. I know. And do you know, I am so surprised and disappointed by the British people when it comes to this story and how many people think that it's justified and fine that she's in prison, how the media, the legacy media on outraged by this, the fact that people are sitting and watching a young woman, a mom who's been through tragic circumstances be treated like this be imprisoned when there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for her to be taken out of society. She poses no risk to anybody. And I'm horrified actually, that so many people out there just think this is normal, think this is fine, aren't questioning it. And how much the establishment will get away with unless people turn around and say this is absolutely unacceptable. It's horrifying. And the idea, the idea actually that a sort of order could have come from the top to do this is chilling.

OK, breaking right now, Richard Tice has just spoken about his visit for the first time on GB News in the last couple of minutes. Let's listen to this and we'll react off the back. couple of minutes. Let's listen to this and we'll react off the back. HM Peterborough Prison, where I went to visit Lucy Connolly to talk to her about primarily about the 10 minute rule bill I'm introducing into the House of Commons tomorrow, what I'm calling Lucy's law. Before I just come on to that, I'd heard an anxious suggestion that she had had some serious mistreatment last week, so obviously wanted to talk that through with her. And first and foremost,

actually, the prison was clean, tidy, well-organised. I was, you know, very well treated and respected by all of the staff. She spoke warmly of many of the staff, of the officers doing a difficult job in a very serious prison. There's a male prison and there's a female prison there. And all was going fine. She was expecting to be moved to what they call an enhanced wing because of very good behaviour. And then all of a sudden she was notified that actually she was going into a completely different wing with a very different type of inmate, where there are serious problems with regard to

violence, with regard to drugs, where sadly two women have died in the last year or so. And she was horrified. And then before she knew it, when she said, you know, why am I going there, that was registered as a complaint, apparently the first complaint that she had made. She's got an immaculate reputation in prison, I'm led to believe. And before she knew it, there's many officers surrounding her. There's a nurse there and she is manhandled physically violently to the ground in an operation they call a bend-op. Her hands put violently behind her back, handcuffed very, very tightly. And she's then literally physically handcuffed in this bend-off where you're bent over, dragged up three flights of stairs into this new wing where she's thrown

into almost effectively solitary confinement and given no food for the rest of the day. And this is obviously horrifically concerning. Five days on, I could see clear stress marks and bruises on her wrists from those handcuffs that the officers struggled to get off her hands because they were so tightly struck on. And that was the highest level of restraint and force that officers use. There's two lower levels. Lucy's, she's patently got a good truck record in prison. This seems extraordinary maltreatment without any provocation whatsoever that I was absolutely horrified by. So she's lodged a complaint. I spoke to the head of security. All officers have body cam footage, which I would expect should have

been triggered by that action. There's also CCTV footage as you would expect in prisons. So I've got an assurance from the head of security he will look at all of the footage and form a view in a transparent way. He's promised me I trust all the cameras. Wow. Wow. Absolutely fascinating hearing that detail. Isn't it Suzanne Evans from Richard Tice? Well, it's fascinating, but actually it's harrowing. It's absolutely harrowing. Here we have a woman, as you say,

dragged up flights of stairs while handcuffed and bent over double by the sounds of things. I mean, I can't imagine just how monstrous you'd have to be, frankly, to do that to somebody. It is hard to imagine that prison officers did that of their own free will and volition. They're used to dealing with much, much more hardened criminals than Lucy Connolly. It does kind of suggest that they were under some kind of pressure to act and acting under some kind of order. I'm absolutely finding it hard to be. I'm watching Dan, I'm binge watching Gotham at the moment. I don't know if you've ever seen it.

No I haven't. Nero is a policeman called Jim Gordon who is really you know an upstanding policeman in the wild west that is Gotham and there's a point at which he is sent to jail on trumped up charges and the order comes from the top that he's not to last the week and this puts me in mind of that I'm obviously not saying that anybody is suggesting that about Lucy Connolly but you know you think that's fiction and then you hear something like this and you think what is going on why is a why is a woman who is no danger to anyone in the prison being treated in this absolutely appalling and inhumane way. And yeah, again, thank you, Richard Tice. I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this.

We're all waiting with bated breath to see what your conclusions are and what the conclusions of the head of security are. And I trust you absolutely to make sure that there's no fudge. Yeah, what we don't trust is the mainstream media, by the way, because the only outlets that have picked up on the story, Broken by Myself and The Daily Telegraph this afternoon thus far, are GB News and The Daily Mail. Nothing from the BBC, nothing from Wokai TV, nothing from Sly News. There is more though from Richard Tice. Listen to this.

...prisoner who was there at the behest, effectively, indirectly, of the Prime Minister. And I do worry now, because it's so inexplicable, if you can't understand something, you've got to think, well, what else is going on here? And I do genuinely worry, and I said to her, be very, very careful, because if they're trying to provoke some form of reaction from Lucy, so that they can say, oh, there you are, she's violent. She's got violent intentions. You can see this. This is what goes on. And I said to be very, very careful, check everything, the fear that they might try and plant some drugs on her to show that actually she's a

bad person. Because clearly from the track record of her in prison, that's not the case. By all accounts, she has been a model prisoner. So those are my genuine concerns. I think Alex Phillips, that is such good advice. And I'm very glad that we've now had Richard Tice see on the record that Lucy is a model prisoner. And if there's any more of this funny business that she was trying to be violent toward, that she was trying to use drugs or anything like that, I think we're going to know what's going on here. Yeah, it's so, so alarming. I mean, to hear somebody, you know, deputy leader of a political party in the United Kingdom suggests that one of our prisoners might be deliberately

set up with drugs planted on them, being deliberately manhandled and provoked. I mean, what world do we live in? What has the UK become? It is so alarming. Like I said, I think we still live in this fiction that we're a high trust society, that these sorts of things don't happen in the United Kingdom, that there isn't sort of dirty politics and manipulation and political prisoners, but there is and the general public need to wake up. Things have changed dramatically under this government. And you're right, the legacy media are never gonna touch this

because they all think it's fine. They think that she deserves to be in prison. They're so brainwashed. It's all so normalized to them. They absolutely love it. And it is absolutely horrifying because this sort of thing, this should be being discussed by the UN

for crying out loud. You know, where's the ECHR all of a sudden now when it comes to Lucy Lethby. It just goes to show how the system is set up to fail those who trust it and protect those who abuse it. Jason Vale Indeed. What do you make of this petition, Suzanne Evans by Rupert Lowley? Let me just read out what he's had to say about this. Lucy Connolly is a mother. She has a 12 year old daughter. She posted one stupid thing on social media and soon deleted it.

She was sentenced to 31 months in prison, torn away from her family for one stupid social media post. She now sits behind bars. This is insane. Rapists and paedophiles get off with less. This is not the Britain I know and love. I've been pushing and pushing, trying everything possible as an MP. I even questioned Stammer on it in the Commons at PMQs. Quite frankly his answer was total bullshit. I tabled a

motion gaining support from Labour and Tory MPs. No process. We ran out of road in Westminster. So next is this petition bringing it to the British people. Lucy and others like her should not be in prison for foolish things they posted on the internet. If we can get enough support, we can get a debate in parliament that brings media attention and MPs. It can make a difference. I've been talking to Ray Lucy's husband and he and the family are fully supportive of the position of the petition. What, what, what do you think, Suzanne Evans, is there a law that should be made to say no law-abiding citizen should go to jail for anything they say on social media?

SUE EVANS Well, I personally wouldn't go that far. We know that there have been social media accounts that have been used to actively incite terrorist activity. So no, I wouldn't go that far. And I think that's probably why, unfortunately, Richard Tice's 10-minute rule bill is not going to get anywhere. As for this petition, again, I'm not surprised even remotely that 164,000 people have signed it, and I'm sure there will be more before that debate is held, because people I speak to are incensed by this. So I'm not surprised about that at all. However, here's the reality. You know, Alex said that things have changed under this government things have changed under this government, they changed under the Conservatives too. This new thing about signing a petition meant

that you could have a debate in Parliament sounded fantastic. The reality is it's a debate in a side chamber of Parliament, a Westminster Hall debate. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the main Parliament and legislation. It's very badly attended usually these Westminster debates. They're just talking shops. Very, very little happens at all, if ever. So again, it's this semblance of democracy. Everybody thinks they can sign a petition and what a great free country we are. The truth, I'm afraid, is it's a little bit of a smokescreen.

So and as Alex said, you know, the mainstream media don't want to talk about this at all. So even if there is a debate in Westminster Hall, however many MPs attend, even if ministers attend, unfortunately, it's not going to happen because we don't really live in that good a democracy anymore. Breaking right now, another mainstream media scandal. Now they're trying to paint Reform UK representatives as racist and are using personal messages to do so, even though I don't believe they show any such thing. You can imagine this has all been jumped on by the usual suspects though. Look at this from Narenda Kerr for example responding to the headline, newly recruited reform councillor

under fire after voicemail message branded racist. She says, I said from day one that reformer racist and every day since I've been proven right. So this must be pretty bad right to get that reaction from a mainstream broadcaster like Woke ITV prompting that type of extremist outrage from a complete intellectually dishonest liar when it comes to Reform UK and Rinder Kher. Well I don't think so. This is the report from Woke ITV News in Wales in regards to Andrew Barry, he was the independent councillor, very recently recruited to Reform UK and so all of a sudden, surprise surprise, the MSM are

out to destroy the guy. This is their playbook, I think it's disgusting, I'm gonna call it out but I want to show you it, show you the report in context so you can be the judge. Watch. This is councillor Andrew Barry just two weeks ago being unveiled by Nigel Farage. He had just defected to Reform UK having been an independent on Murther Council. I see Reform as absolutely the only opposition in Wales, the only way forward. But last Wednesday Andrew Barry left a voicemail seemingly in error to an ITV Wales journalist. In it he is having a conversation with an unknown person about the benefit system and housing.

We've removed the unknown person's voice but this is what Andrew Barry says. Someone else interrupts the conversation before it continues. And then Andrew Barry says this about the Pakistani community. There's those Pakistanis, they'll train well. They'll just do this like this. They'll disclaim, six, they'll disclaim. The message then ends. Today, political opponents in Merthyr, condemning his words. It's racist. It's absolutely racist.

And to me, it absolutely fits with the reform narrative and so To hear a reform counselor saying that was not a surprise To my superstar panel Suzanne Evans and Alex Phillips Alex. Thank God Thank God for once because you know, this is one of the things I've had such a problem with reform UK oval in recent months They've stood by their man. Releasing a statement which I can show you, saying Reform UK supports open and honest discussions about integration, community cohesion and the impact of current policies. We reject hate or discrimination in any form, but we will not shy away from addressing difficult issues. And also saying this discussion has been taken completely out of context, but these are the

types of hit jobs we're going to see from the MSM, right? Yeah, exactly. And we've seen it before. I mean, I remember when I was head of media, you could be, it was whack-a-mole. There were all sorts of people. I mean, I think especially to the gay Floodsman, a guy who had been a conservative councillor in Henley upon Thames, who had been writing angry letters to the local newspaper for years and years and years, sort of fire and brimstone type stuff. And then as soon as he defects to UKIP, all of a sudden he's like, oh my God, this is terrible.

This guy said the recent floods were caused by Cameron's Gay Marriage Act. And it was the front page of every single newspaper. Meanwhile, you've got local councillors for other parties who are actual paedophiles and murderers and planting bombs the National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the

National Human Rights Council, the National Human Rights Council, the because they knew this sort of tactic would be used. Thankfully, I don't think many members of the general public are convinced by this anymore. Those people who like reform and want to vote reform will do so anyway. I think a lot of people listening to the sort of jumbled excerpts from that voice message will probably agree with what he's saying, quite frankly. And so it's really not a big thing. It's not a big peccadillo at all. But the thing is, when these things happen again and again and again, in the mainstream media again and again and again, try and use these shaming tactics to make people think that you can't vote reformer,

you can't say you're voting reformer, you shouldn't admit it to somebody else. It does have a dampening effect on support, which is why reformers have had to go to such great lengths with their vetting procedure. Too far, in my opinion. But it is good to see them standing by this councillor because what did they do? They're so bad. Well, exactly, because I think Reform UK, Suzanne Evans are cutting off their nose to spite their face with a lot of this vetting stuff. and also actually with their really weird thing earlier in the week to try and get this labor counselor in, uh, Essex booted out of his job because 10 years ago he had posted a tweet being positive about Tommy Robinson. But in this case, I think they are completely correct to stand by their man, to stand by Andrew Barry and say, actually,

we've got to have these conversations. We've got to have these conversations about how multiculturalism, for example, is failing. And yeah, look at the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. Sometimes we actually do have to call out individual ethnic groups or individual religions, because if we shy away from it, that's how these terrible scandals happen. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when I heard about this story, I kind of read it, I thought, oh, here's another one, you know, reform counselor or somebody who's saying something stupid. And then I read it and I thought, was that it? Really? Is that it? He highlighted some issues that are quite well known within the Pakistani community and that most people will be talking about

if you go down the pub any night of the week. So yes, I am pleased that Reformer is standing by them. I think it's like, you know, his language is unfortunate. Clearly not all Pakistanis behave as he suggests. And I think that's important, but then this was not a considered conversation. It was just a conversation that you and I might have had. He obviously thought it was private conversation. Unfortunately, it clearly wasn't. And so he finds himself in hot water.

But as Alex said, it really annoys me too, because they never go after the Conservative or the Labour, well, they do more Conservative actually, but they certainly never go after the Labour politicians when it comes to this. Never, never. And look, this is going to keep happening because there's another example of this that I want to show you both. And this is about the Nottingham County Council and its new cabinet member, Councillor James Walker Gurley. Now, he's given an interview to the local media and Alex Phillips, I have a feeling as a former media woman for UKIP, this is probably going to make your skin crawl. But at the same time, I think it does show the vulnerability that Reform UK have in terms of the mainstream media. They're just going to try and screw them at every turn, which

is why my argument is deal with the independent media, don't deal with the mainstream media, they're just going to try and screw them at every turn, which is why my argument is deal with the independent media, don't deal with the mainstream media. But anyway, watch this. This is the interview that has been released. I'm looking forward to working with Emke on a range of issues such as transport, skills and economic development to bring investment into the county. So how do you, at this standpoint, also with the new authority, how do you see the relationship with EMPCA moving forward? Take a minute if you need to. Yeah, sorry. take a minute yeah sorry I don't know what to say to that yeah working closely with them are you aware of if it's currently a good relationship is so how

is it going to go moving forward I have no idea genuinely so I have no idea. I've not met with anyone from EMCA yet, genuinely, so I have no idea. Okay, so what are the priorities for Nottinghamshire? So we're going to be ensuring that our current major highway schemes are funded and delivered in order to provide effective travel along our major road corridors. We've got a major road network scheme which will see a number of junctions along the route being upgraded with the aim of reducing congestion at key intersections and that is the A614A6097 major road network scheme. We'll be providing

more traffic capacity for the future. It will support economic growth and housing delivery in the local area and enhance the strategic road network and support other road users by improving facilities for pedestrians and cyclists. Okay, so from that, from your standpoint, what would you say one of the top ones of those is for residents? Ollerton round about for sure. How do you say? Err... Oh, I don't know. It just needs fixing.

Make it stop! Please make it stop! I mean firstly, Councillor James Walker-Gurley, I feel sorry for you. They've clearly screwed you over. They thought that this was going to be edited, but my God, he needs a session with you, Alex Phillips. I mean, this is the risk, isn't it? This is the risk when Reform UK goes for a lot of inexperienced people. Well, it shouldn't be the risk. I mean, poor boy. He doesn't have to be media trained.

He's a local councillor. He's not about to go on Newsnight or Question Time. And they don't do this to other local councillors. Do you know what I mean? They don't try and embarrass other local councillors. We hear nothing of local councillors up and down the country. There's thousands of them.

And it's funny, isn't it? All of a sudden, we're going to start hearing about local councillors simply because they're Reform UK. But you know, the public see through this stuff. They see through it. And do you know what? He was just smiley. He's not a, you know, media expert. He was half decent. But frankly, the person doing the interview has got questionable skills. I've never seen so many zoom in and zooms out. Zoom out's on a locked off shot. I mean, it's just a load of nonsense really,

isn't it? Poor lad. I mean, what's interesting, Suzanne Evans, is that Robert Jenrick has decided to flag this though, writing, I'm sure he's a nice guy who cares. But this is Reform's cabinet minister for economic development in Nottinghamshire. Would you trust him to run your public services? Yeah, I think that was very wrong of Robert, actually. I think actually people are a bit annoyed with glib politicians. How many media interviews have I done when I've been on a panel and it's usually people on the left who just come out with some glib sound by that they've been taught by party HQ and it's boring as heck and they never say what they really think they just come out with these kind of virtue signaling soundbites. So that said I'll definitely be using that clip I'm afraid on my next media training course because it was pretty

dreadful. And I'm also going to stand up for the journalist. I bet she I don't think she would have gone into that interview. She's a local reporter. I don't think she would have gone into that interview trying to stitch him up to be fair. She probably couldn't believe her luck at what she what she got. And it was a bad interview. But you know, people have got so used, I think, to seeing slick politicians chatter, chatter, chatter.

And to really get anywhere in politics, you have to be very, very good at it. But what I love about local councillors is they're usually grassroots people who don't have those kind of top-rank communication skills. It doesn't mean they're any less good at their job, although it's a message to anybody, I think, in any walk of politics, whether you're a parish councillor or the mayor of London, you've got to be across your brief, I'm afraid. You've got to be. Breaking right now, GB News in turmoil after a shocking on-air meltdown by one of its presenters and now a former host on the station suing the broadcaster for racism. I'm going to take you through this whole story because it's a complicated one.

Albi Amancona, very nice guy. He is a conservative who runs an anti-racism organization. And in fact, I'm friends with the guy. Actually, I put him on GB News before anyone else. I remember saying to him during his first appearance, I could see you being prime minister one day. He's incredibly talented, but he is on the left of the Conservative Party. He's on the side of the Conservative Party that is much more like the Lib Dems, doesn't like Suhaillah Brav, etc. etc. And he was one of

the main presenters on their main Saturday night show, The Saturday Five, where during a discussion hosted by the now departed Darren Grimes, he accused the former Home Secretary, Suala Braviman, of being a racist and a bigot watch. Bravman of being a racist and a bigot watch. What's the matter Albie? You always tell us that the Conservative Party is a broad church. Is it not broad enough to have Soeula in? No, it's not broad enough to have Soeula in. She is divisive. I believe she is actually racist and a thoroughly bigoted woman. People like that should not be in the Conservative Party.

So I just wonder if the problem is that Soeula is speaking to… Yeah, we absolutely have to strongly deny that Sorella Brovman is a racist. She said British-Pakistani men had a problem with grooming. She basically said... That's your opinion. She basically said that child grooming was a problem of the British-Pakistani community. That is a racist comment. And many Pakistani people in this country thought she was a racist woman.

And I agree with that. No, you cannot say on this show one called someone a racist. You absolutely cannot do that. Now, what happened after that broadcast is what's most fascinating. So Al Abravaiman complained to the station and LBM Ancona was given an ultimatum. You either apologize or you're out. You're sacked. He refused to apologize so he was gone. Now if you know how I feel about Sohella Bravaman you'll be very well aware that I think this woman is anything but a racist and a bigot. I absolutely believe that she was on the right side of history when it came to the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. However, GB News claims that it is the free speech channel. It claims

that it's a place where these types of debates are allowed to happen. And indeed, I know there were many times on my former show when there were guests who would quite rightly describe Diane Abbott, for example, Jeremy Corbyn, for example, who's a useless, for example, as bigoted and racist. And I actually think the station has to stand by its free speech claims and actually say, no, we can have this type of robust debate. And Suela Braviman, let's be honest, you're not going to sue us. Okay.

It wasn't a good thing, but I think these knee-jerk reactions of constantly sacking people just go against everything that the station was meant to be about. And of course, Elvira Mancona, he's not taking this lying down, revealing today, on X, today I'm speaking out for the first time since leaving GB News, thank you to everyone who is supporting my legal action against the so-called home of free speech. Look at what others on that channel have said and how they have been treated. Then look at what I said and how I was treated. The difference is like night and day. If you claim to stand for freedom of speech, fairness and equal treatment, you should be

held to your word. GB News must be held accountable. And he released this video, where he does produce the receipts of a right wing guest describing a left winger as bigoted and racist where no action was taken. Watch. Former GB News host who was sacked for calling someone I believed to be racist, a racist. Watch. opinions, you know, things that were undeniably racist, homophobic, just damn right bigoted. And then when I called Soella Bratham racist and a thoroughly bigoted woman, I was dropped. I believe she is actually racist and a thoroughly

bigoted woman. There are former colleagues of mine who are white like Carol Malone who have said similar things like calling Diane Abbott a bigot. She is a bigot. She is what a bigot looks like. And they still remain at the channel with no sort of reprimand whatsoever. I'm taking the fight to GB News through an employment tribunal. They need to be held to account for the way that they treat their employees. They need to be held to account for the way that they treat their black on-air members of staff differently to their white on-air members of staff. And they need to be held to account for the way that they report the news.

Now as you can imagine LBM Ancona's action against GB News has divided the right. The start naked brief posted on X you really couldn't make this stuff up. A former presenter is now suing GB News for unfair dismissal further accusing the channel channel of racism. His name is Albi Amankona. He claims he was sacked after calling Suheila Bravman racist after she pointed out the disproportionate number of Pakistani men involved in grooming gangs. Of course, the irony is, this was confirmed by Baroness Casey's audit released just days ago. So the guy fails to do his research, arguably slanders someone by result, and then cries racism. Perhaps there's more of an argument for him being negligent and or incompetent than anything else.

Might come as little surprise that Joe Mann's Good Law Project is helping Amancona. We need more presenters willing to face uncomfortable truths, not less. So to my superstar panel, Suzanne Evans, who is a regular contributor to GB News, and Alex Phillips, who alongside yours truly was a launch presenter at the Free Speech channel. So I can see both sides of this Alex Phillips. I do want to say though, I really like Albi Amankona and I loved having him on my show. I never agreed with him, but and we had some real ding-dongs. I remember he'd often go head to head with Father Kelvin Robinson. He's certainly on the other side of the conservative movement than I am. But I really worry about GB News just sacking people because they say something that goes against the ideology of the channel? I mean that is not a free

speech channel is it? Well that's what he says that they've done, that he says that they've sacked him because of that. I mean we don't know do we? Look I have encountered Albie, he's one of those people that he went through a period of his life where he seemed to want to quote tweet everything I did because my ex following is far bigger than his and accuse me of being racist every five seconds. I find him quite a nasty little young man if I'm honest with you. He's one of those people who will point the finger and shout racist, racist, racist against other people which is a very unpleasant, nasty, demeaning, personal slight. It is not a word that can be

thrown about lightly and so I don't find myself, you know, having much sympathy for him at all. I think it's rather poetic justice considering, you know, what I've had to suffer at that man's hands. I mean, I've got a thick skin and I don't care, but he was a bit of an irritant to me for a period of time, and unnecessarily so, because I would raise issues such as women's safety when it comes to men from foreign countries, and he'd try and silence me and censor me and attack me. So no, he's not a fan of free speech himself. And the fact that he's going to Jolien Maugham for his representation tells you everything

you need to know. Good luck, I'd say. I'm sure that he's after getting some form of a payout. And I wouldn't be surprised if GB News give that to him because it's far easier, quicker and cheaper just to throw some money at a situation that ended up being dragged through a tribunal. But you know, this is politics, this is life. I would imagine as well motivating GB News' choice, and I don't know, is that I'm sure

Albie and Ancona was about as popular with the audience as a bucket of sick. And they decided actually that the audience didn't like him, that he was being a bit of a pain in the neck. And this was an opportunity to say thank you for your services and goodbye. Well what's interesting Suzanne Evans is GP News are saying they are going to fight this hard. A spokesperson telling the Daily Telegraph Mr Aman Kona's claim is misconceived without merit and being robustly defended as the claim is ongoing, we do not propose to comment further. So it does look like this is going to get to court, or the tribunal at least.

It's very interesting. I must admit when I heard this story, I thought, well, that's interesting, because actually several members of the Saturday 5 panel were let go. The programs had a complete new refresh, including with a different presenter. So Garren Grimes is no longer presenting it. So obviously, if this is going to go to law, it's going to go to law. I think that is the thing with

Employment Tribunal. Sometimes people will settle rather than go through the expensive process. So we'll see whether GB News does stick to it guns. But you know, I'm obviously a great supporter of GB News. I love contributing to it. I love watching it. But one thing I will say is when I am contributing is I am always very mindful that Ofcom is breathing down its neck. Again, we have a double standard here. I think Ofcom watches GB News much more closely than it does some of the other channels. There is a lobby group out there that is determined to have GB News taken on air and will write thousands of letters at the tiniest little hint of any kind of breach of the rules. So as a contributor, I'm always very conscious that I don't say anything that is, if you like, too outrageous.

I do like to speak my mind and of course it's free speech and all the rest of it, which I passionately support. course it's free speech and all the rest of it, which I passionately support. But I think if you are contributing to a television program, you have to be a little bit careful because it's not like having a conversation in the pub. You are broadcasting, it's often live to an audience and there are certain rules which journalists have to obey. Oh, don't I know it. Don't I know it's Suzanne Evans. I mean, yes. Yes, but- So I would never, ever go on to GB News and call somebody a racist or a bigot because that is just, frankly, if you're a responsible contributor to a TV channel,

that's a very stupid thing to do. And it's basically going to land the channel in massive amounts of hot water. And that's- But so maybe GB News though just has to be honest and not keep saying that it is a free speech platform because it's clearly not. Now you can say that's because it has to operate within the confines of Ofcom, the Ofcommunists, as I call it.

I'm not a free speech absolutist. I don't believe you can go out there and say anything you like. Free speech is very important and must be protected, but there are legal limits. And to call somebody to make an allegation about somebody, which I believe in Suella Bravman's case is demonstrably not true, then that is wrong. Yeah. And of course she could have sued Albihan and Kona. That could have been her way of

dealing with it. Look, GBU's isn't doing itself any favours though, because lots of those issues that Alex and I had to deal with in those early days, four years in, are still ongoing. And its brilliant home and security editor Mark White, a guy who I actually have a huge amount of respect of. We had run-ins when he was at Sly News. He wasn't very nice about me, it's fair to say. But when he came to GB News, we put those to one side and I actually think he's a thoroughly decent man and one of the best that they have at that channel. But unfortunately, he's just constantly being let down by the technology and the production teams. And it exploded on air last night when he was doing breaking news in regards to the Iranian strike on the US Air Base in Qatari territory.

And oh my goodness, I'm not blaming him, but it was quite a meltdown. Watch this. Oh my goodness. I'm not blaming him, but it was quite a mountain town. Watch this. Launched against the US bases in Iraq and in Qatar. I don't know, can they take my face off the screen? Well, I'm trying to read all this just now, please. Yeah. And we're hearing also why that's air raid sirens and our sounding at US bases in Kuwait in Iraq and Bahrain about that may just be a precautionary measure in some of those nations or you may find that this is a triple-pronged attack this

situation of heightened panic across the whole area Mark white information is Coming in quickly just to repeat that is the biggest US naval base in the entire region with the capacity to host 10,000 US troops as well as over 100 aircraft, strategic bombers and tankers. So the potential there to inflict huge damage and something the White House we believe are convening meeting as we speak as you'd imagine more white having a crisis meeting about what to do in return what to do next yes no absolutely they will be meeting in the situation room now to try to establish exactly what their response to this should be Martin Martin, as I say, it's all going to be based on the calculation in terms of how successful their own defences have been in actually trying to take down

the systems, the air, the missiles and the like that have been sent over from Iran and what we're trying to establish as well is whether this yeah sorry I've been told to wrap. Okay Mark White, thank you for bringing us up to date. That concludes my input on Martin D'Aubuchaud. Handing over now to Michelle Juby. Juby Zanko is up next. I'll be back at 7pm. The situation in Iran is escalating. Let's hand over now to Michelle Juby.

Martin. Gracious me, ladies and gents. An awful lot has happened since we last spoke on Friday. We thought it might happen, we thought we might have two weeks actually. America was saying that that is what they were going to give Iran. Turns out that was not the case at all. Of course, you will know by now that we saw those strikes then from America over the weekend. Million-dollar question was always going to be what on earth was Iran

going to do back in response? The even bigger question. Oh god. I think one of the issues with GB News is that a lot of the people who work behind the scenes, especially the production guys actually hate everything GB News is about. So I think they were actually doing that thing. I'm sure they did it a few times to me be to be totally honest, where it was like, no, we're going to leave you on screen, Mark White. We're going to try and humiliate you. And then we're actually going to leave your microphone on as you're ranting to us. Because I don't know if you heard at the end, but Mark White was very angry.

Just watch again. Last book on Friday. We thought it might happen. We thought we might have two weeks actually. America was saying that that's what they were going to give Iran. Turns out that was not the case at all. Of course, you'll know by now that we saw those strikes then from America over the weekend. Million dollar question was always going to be,

what on earth was Iran going to do back in response? Oh, I mean Alex Phillips, Alex Phillips, we have both been there. I have to say I'm team Mark White all the way on this. I'm team Mark White. I love Mark White. He was one of my favorites. I love that man to the bone. He's so much fun and he's such a brilliant capable journalist. That looks like a man who doesn't really want to be working for that company much anymore, if I'm honest with you.

But I do remember the wonderful Jill Pendlington, who was, you know, the exec producer when we launched on GB News. I remember her sort of main mantra was always, you're never alone with a microphone, i.e. make sure that you've taken that thing off and it's turned off and it's nowhere near you if you're going to say something that you don't want to be on air. But I just, I love Mark White, that poor man looks so fed up. Yeah, I was totally team Mark White there. I'm like, take the guy off camera, turn his microphone off when he's trying to have a run and God just

sort it out seriously just sort it out you're four years in and you're still amateur when it comes to the technology and you let down great people like Mark White on air. Now do stand by Alex Phillips and Suzanne Evans because in just one minute an extraordinary development on this story regarding Nagamon Chetty at BBC Breakfast accused of bullying and it's all kicked off in terms of her exit plan from the BBC so I'm gonna reveal all in just one minute don't go anywhere. But first the great thing about having you here on Outspoken is that you're awake to the massive problems with the mainstream media and the disturbing reality that it's impossible to trust the fact-checkers who try and dictate the narrative.

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Developing today Naga Munchetti the BBC Breakfast presenter who has been accused of bullying and inappropriate sex talk at the British Bashing Corporation, has now been rejected by Sly News and LBC over those claims, meaning that the corporation is in a real predicament about whether they leave this woman in its job. Of course they have been accused by male celebrities like Wynn Evans, the Strictly Come Dancing star who was sacked from the BBC from all his work on the BBC for simply making a throwaway joke that this is sexism and that Nagamun Chetty is surviving simply because she is a woman.

More details about what is going on in an exposé in the mail, let me take you through it How BBC Breakfast Turned Toxic is the headline. And they report BBC Breakfast star Naga Munchetti has been holding discussions with Sly News and radio station LBC in an apparent bid to leave the corporation, industry sources have revealed. In a surprise move, the presenter held talks with both broadcasters in what appears to be an attempt to escape the toxic atmosphere on the program she co-hosts three days a week with Charlie State. However, sources say the talks broke down recently,

with some bosses at the networks unsure about 50-year-old Ms Moncetti's tough ways and deciding against negotiations. One said there were quite a few discussions with both Sly and LBC, but then it was decided by both that they wouldn't go any further. She is quite sharp and it is perhaps not what they were looking for, so it all kind of fell apart. Rightly or wrongly, Naga has a reputation for being quite tough and difficult at times they didn't like that. When asked yesterday if she wished to comment on moves to leave the BBC, Ms Munchetty's agent did not respond. And of course, Alex Phillips, this follows the revelations in the Sun newspaper that

Naga Munchetty had been hauled in by bosses over allegations she bullied a junior staff member and made an off-air sex-jive. Now, this is an interesting one for me,? I know Nagamuncheti's husband, he's a really great guy and clearly Nagamuncheti's a little bit un-PC and usually I'd say well that's a great thing but my issue is with the BBC because look at the people they've sacked. Alex, like Giovanni Panicci, Graziano Di Primo, Wynn Evans, all gone from Strictly Come Dancing over, I think, something that didn't really reach the level of a sackable offense. I mean, in Wynn Evans' case, right, he made a joke about a spit roast. That was it. And Naga Munchesi,

what, is she allowed to do it and get off? Do you see what I mean? Like, there seems to be a total double standard here based on whether you're a man or a woman. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right on that. And you know, I don't know Naga at all, never met her. But like you, I know her husband who is absolutely solid. He's brilliant. We love James. He is a great guy. Also, fun fact that James's surname was James Hager. And I've always thought, does that make her Naga Hager? Well, I think she's the type of woman, Alex, who would never take her husband's last name, let's be honest. That's why I don't know Naga, but I know James and James is an absolute legend. So I kind of

get the impression that Naga might be more one of us than the average BBC type, but I don't know that. That's speculation. But no, you're right. I mean, look, they sort of came down like a tonne of bricks on men for saying things and they haven't done so with her, it seems right. I mean, look, they sort of came down like a ton of bricks on men for saying things and they haven't done so with her, it seems. But I don't know what is going on at that program. Like I said, the last time I was on this show, I had heard about 10 years ago, how toxic BBC Breakfast was.

They had all sort of accusations of bullying and so on and so forth. She's a talented broadcaster. She's probably made lots of money in the past. Perhaps she'll go into the podcast world. I mean, I don't know. I guess we'll just have to see how this plays out. But you're right. I mean, you know, the BBC, if they're going to put one rule on one person, they've got to do it uniformly to everybody. And this is the problem, isn't it, Suzanne Evans, right? Like, the BBC were so concerned about the fact that they allowed predators,

like actual predators, actual paedophiles, like Jimmy Savile and Hugh Edwards to effectively rule the roost for decades. And so now there's like this incredibly high standard put in, but surely it does have to apply to everyone. Like, if when Evans is sacked for making a spit roast joke, why is Nagamonchetti allowed to stay for making a joke which seems to be about... Well, I won't go into the details. A sex act. Let me just say that, Suzanne Evans, a sex act.

Oh, we've just lost your sound, Suzanne Evans, a sex act. Oh, we've just lost your sound, Suzanne. Are you muted? Here you are. You're back. Yeah, so I don't know what joke she made, so I can't comment on the joke. Personally, I think making a joke about a spit race in the office is just not on.

I really don't. But I think any woman will tell you that they're held to much, much higher standards than men, particularly I think in broadcasting. I don't think there's any doubt about that. There is a kind of sense, I think, in broadcasting still that it's a bit of an old boys club, that it's a lot of male camaraderie and women are almost second class. I worked at the BBC for many years. I didn't find that as a rule, but I certainly found it on odd occasions. Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

Now, I don't know Naga either, but I'm sure she is probably tough. I think to get to the top in that profession would be pretty tough, to be honest. You have to have very broad shoulders and maybe you have to be one of the boys. I don't know, I never made it to the top. I failed abysmally, I think really is the truth. That's as much as I enjoyed.

Oh, hardly. Hardly. You're a superstar. Then I moved on to other better paid things, to be fair as well. So, because I didn't reach Nagga Mancetti's salary heights, by the stretch of the imagination. So, well, we'll see, won't we? She's obviously still at the BBC. I think maybe the top presenters were always looking around for a better offer. The BBC is obsessed with celebrity. It's very hard to climb to the top of the presenting ladder when you work at the BBC.

The way the BBC operates is it prefers people who are already famous and then it brings them in, which is why for instance you get a footballer presenting Holmes under the hammer. That's just the one one thing I can think of off the top of my head. If you have celebrity you're far more likely to get a gig as a presenter. It's much more difficult and I've worked with loads of people at the BBC who are incredibly good reporters and presenters, but they don't make it to the top because they're not celebrities. And I think that's another great failing of the BBC. It's got so many good people right under its nose, but it prefers to import people who've already made it. Yeah, exactly. Or they force someone like Nagamun Chetty to do the whole star thing.

Susanna Reid put them on Strictly Come Dancing, that seems to be the route to turn them into celebrities. I mean, Alex Phillips, I guess what's interesting here, and this is actually potentially quite unfair for Nagamun Chetty, I mean, she's almost now being considered too toxic in the rest of the industry because previously Sly News and LBC were obviously really interested. Now these allegations come out and they don't want a bar of her and this is something that you often see with cancel culture, isn't it? Yeah, she can come join the Untouchables Club with us, Dan. Oh yes. It's fun. It's much better over here. Can I just say naga munchetti? It's much more fun.

No, but you know, things like this, it is awful. You know I went through this with GB News when I got given the boot and I'm under an NDA so I'm not allowed to say what happened and yet they didn't fill up that vacuum either and so there's all sorts of speculation why one minute I was there and one minute I wasn't and in an industry which is as close knit and incestuous as broadcasting, it does have the capacity to potentially ruin future work as well. But you know, I don't know the comment that she made either. I don't know what else has been going on behind the scenes in terms of interpersonal relationships at BBC Breakfast. I don't know where she wants to take her career and whether she'd even want to stay there in the midst of all

of this. I just wish her well, you know, I don't know her at all, but I do know her husband and I'm very fond of him. So sort of by proxy, I've decided she's probably an okay kind of person. So I wish her well, because as Suzanne was saying, I actually do think it's true. It's a tough industry, especially as a woman. And I'm not one of these little Miss Me Too movement,

poor me, don't women have a hard lot, but we tend to be paid a lot less than our male counterparts in television. We are required to meet different standards, particularly on how we look than men do. It seems to me men go on and on and on until like a hundred years old like David Attenborough, but if you're a woman you get to a certain age and you're booted off screen. It is a bit of a boys club, unfortunately. And so, you know, she's done very well to get this far in that industry. And so, you know, it'd be a shame if it's all imploded for her. Yeah, I mean, I would just, I guess, argue that we need to stop trying to cancel people full stop. You know, like there has to be a certain level that you've got to get to because

of course Hugh Edwards was a massive issue so was Jimmy Savile. But I look at all of the people who have been cancelled recently by the BBC, Graziano, Giovanni, Wynn Evans, now potentially Naga Munchetti. I'm like come come on, this is not a cancellation offense. But the problem is, you have to have one standard. And you have to have one standard, whether you are a man or whether you are a woman, I think you are right to point out both of you that actually there are lots of other things that women are treated more toughly on. But I do just want to play one little Nagamon Chetty gem because I do think it's fair to say that it hasn't exactly been a happy ship on BBC Breakfast for a long time. And sometimes that does come out during very awkward on air segments

like this. food. Do you like brownies? Not so much. But you know, we'll get to know each other, Hannah. You'll find out Charlie likes ice cream. You'll get more caught Charlie. I won't be bringing brownies into the office then. No, everyone else does. Don't let me deny the rest of the office. Hannah, it's been great talking to you. I'm glad you're enjoying the ice cream. Certainly needed in this weather. Take care. Have a great time, yeah. Thanks. Hannah being sent... Imagine that. Oh, business correspondent, what's your job? I've got to be sent to an ice cream factory

and you actually like an ice cream parlour. Do you think you rather brought the tone down there? Oh, be quiet. Come on. SHE LAUGHS Well, Hannah is... I apologise. ..is working hard, doing the story, and then... Time now for a look at the headlines where you are this morning. I mean, Suzanne, you never know. Do you never know, like, is that real frostiness?

Actually, sometimes the best presenters sort of hate each other, Suzanne. You know, there's lots of examples of that too. Please shouldn't have said that. That was bang out of order. That was bang out of order. It was actually quite funny and can i just say on the record that if you want to send me some ice cream i'll be very happy if there was if i was only allowed to eat one food for the rest of my life it would be ice cream what's your favorite flavor oh anything it doesn't matter see i i'm cookies and cream oh no actually i'm

not so keen on that oh don't send me a certain american brand i bet i hadn't say which i don't like that oh yeah because that's so woke that's so woke aren't send me a certain American brand. I better hadn't say which I don't like that. Oh yeah, because they're so woke. They're so woke, aren't they? I'll say it. Be an ingeris. That's not why I don't like it. Don't send me Be an ingeris. Alex Phillips, favourite ice cream flavour to end? You know, I'm team Mancetti. I actually don't really like ice cream. I've never understood why everyone goes bonkers for it. I'm just not a big fan. You know, give me a lemon toss it any day, but ice cream not so much. So I don't care for chocolate brownies either.

I've always sort of said that if you want to please me, buy me a bag of pork scratchings. You're a pork scratching girl through and through. Well, what a brilliant superstar panel. Suzanne Evans of the Political Insight Substack and Alex Phillips of That's What She Said on substack. Thank you both so much. So much feedback coming in from you on our big breaking story on the Lucy Connolly attack in prison. We will reveal the greatest Britain Union jackass in just one moment by the way, but Corrin Bell writes, I hope Lucy Connolly writes a book about this experience exposing Stalin the judiciary and the prison officers I think that's a great idea Giant part says what we need is a queue of MPs and Lords making appointments to visit Lucy where are

the conservative MPs I know Robert Jenrick I love you a lot go to see Lucy Connolly seriously David Cartwright said this appears to be a complete perversion of the system by the system. Whatever you think of Lucy Connolly's sentence, the action of deliberate provocation and engineered entrapment and agitation. Very good point. Nathan Howland says an abusive mistake on all levels. Firstly, she should not be in jail under any notion of free speech, but to be placed under this kind of assault by the people placed there to protect her is repulsive. And Jane, thank you for your super chat Jane, simply says free Lucy. And I think that is a message we all agree with. A reminder of

your Union Jackass nominees, now who's a useless, nominated by Chris Davies for his unstinting support for the soon to be proscribed Palestine action, he was born to be on the wrong side of history, couldn't agree more. Zara Sultana nominated by Karen Hanke, our very own Karen Hanke, a sitting MP for supporting the prescribed terrorist group. And Leigh Anderson nominated by Scottish A43, yet another attempt at smearing Rupert Lowe. What a coincidence, the journalist that wrote the story about Rupert Stog was on Lee Anderson's show the night before. Yes, exactly, that wasn't exactly covered up, was it? Here are your results. In third place, with 11% Lee Anderson. The runner up with 24% Zara Sultana. But today's Union Jackass with a whopping 65% of your vote.

Boy, I agree with this one. Whom's a useless. And today's greatest Britain. Oh, we've got to line up that clip by the way from the top of the show because it's Donald Trump by loose eight eight H who says I'd like to honorary nominate Donald Trump so he's an honorary greatest person today for waking me up to the most magnificent show of toxic masculinity I've ever seen did you miss it here you go

That have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing you understand that He's a legend he's an absolute look I know some of you don't like that sort of language and you know I try and reserve it for moments of Peak anger and I think so does Donald Trump. He was incredibly frustrated. He's all about peace And you know, I try and reserve it for moments of peak anger. And I think so does Donald Trump. He was incredibly frustrated. He's all about peace. He had negotiated the ceasefire and both Iran and Israel were playing silly buggers. And I think he probably showed to Netanyahu by that response.

Look, do not mess with me. I loved it. So an honorary GB today. Congratulations, Mr. Trump. Now coming up in the uncancelled aftershow on the substrate, you're not going to believe this. You really are not going to believe this. Megan Markle has hit a gross new low using Princess Diana's birthday to sell her shoddy new wine. We're gonna get into this with Angela Levin.

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