Dan Wootton Outspoken - ROBERT JENRICK LASHES OUT AT NIGEL FARAGE OVER MASS DEPORTATIONS & MSM TWO TIER REPORTING

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Breaking right now: Southport Massacre accused Axel Rudakubana has now been charged under the terrorism act of possessing an Al Qaeda terror manual and the production of ricin as a biological toxin. In his Digest, Dan says the elites and MSM figures who were telling people like me and Nigel Farage to accept the official narrative should now hold their heads in shame. Then in the Uncancelled Interview, the potential next leader of the Conservative party Robert Jenrick reveals why the MSM must stop gaslighting the public in these cases as he gives Dan his first independent media chat during the campaign. PLUS: Why is Tommy Robinson behind bars while Mike Amesbury is free? AND: The Loose Women race row deepens, as Dan responds to outrageous claims by the show’s all black panel members Charlene White and Judi Love To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Turn on the notification bell so you'll be alerted to our brand new live shows, uncancelled interviews and special royal episodes. Breaking right now, a major bombshell development in the Southport massacre case that left three innocent young girls dead at a Taylor Swift dance class and the political establishment wanted you to stop talking about. The accused, Axel Rudikabana, has now been charged under the Terrorism Act, of possessing an al-Qaeda terror manual and the production of ricin as a biological toxin. Now, you know I'm always very honest with you. We are limited in terms of what we can say here because of the UK laws. But in my digest, I am going to argue that the elites

and the MSM figures who were telling people like me and Nigel Farage to accept the official narrative should now hold their heads in shame. Then in the uncancelled interview, the potential next leader of the Conservative Party, Robert Jenrick, reveals why the MSM must stop gaslighting the public in these cases as he gives me his only independent interview of the Tory leadership campaign versus Kemi Badenoch. There is at least a million who are illegally here. You're saying you will try to deport them all? Yes, I am. It will be a massive step up from anything that any prior government has done

in the past. Just to clarify, Nigel Farage is wrong when he says it is a practical impossibility. Yes he is. With all due respect, retire Nigel Farage. What is it about Elon Musk that concerns you? Is it right that Lucy Connolly and Julie Sweeney are in prison for an ex and Facebook post respectively? I want to ensure that politicians like Mel pick voice so the silent majority do not feel that they're being ignored and that will only breed more discontent, more

disturbances in our country. What about the death of Peter Lynch in custody? I'm worried that we are sliding into the position where there is censorship. Tommy Robinson is locked up for 18 months. Is he not becoming a political prisoner? That interview with Robert Jenrick, his only independent media interview coming up in just a couple of minutes time, so don't go anywhere. But also on the show today, why is Tommy Robinson behind bars while Mike Amesbury is free despite doing this. And the Loose Women race row deepens as Charlene White and Judy Love show utter hypocrisy as they make the most disgusting claims about me. Well, I'll respond live for the first time here, and then we'll hear from today's brilliant guests, the journalists Georgia Ligaholi and Angela Levin. Then in the uncancelled after show, much more from Angela in a special royal edition, as even the local Montecito press begin to speculate on Harry and Meghan's marriage.

You can register to watch www.outspoken.live. But now, let's go. So we were right. While there is very little that someone like me or you can say without being thrown into prison at this point, we were right. The political establishment and the authorities were not telling the full truth about Axel Rudikabana, just as Nigel Farage predicted, just as I predicted, causing the entire political establishment to come down on us like a ton of bricks.

Exactly three months to the day since the despicable attack that killed six-year-old B.B. King, seven-year-old Elsie Dodd-Stancombe, and nine-year-old Alice Aguirre at a Taylor Swift dance class, a bombshell announcement from the police. The accused, Axel Rubicabana, has now been charged under the Terrorism Act of possessing an Al-Qaeda terror manual and the production of ricin as a biological toxin. Here's Chief Constable Serena Kennedy of Merseyside Police in the past hour revealing the information during a shock press conference. Today, the Crown Prosecution Service has authorised Axel Rudicabana, aged 18, from Lancashire to be charged with two further offences.

Axel Rudder-Cabana already faces three charges of murder, ten charges of attempted murder and one charge of possession of a knife, all relating to the incident at Hart Street on 29 July 2024. The two further offences relate to evidence obtained by Merseyside Police during searches of Axel Rudder-Cabana's home address, as part of a lengthy and complex investigation which has been ongoing since 29 July. The additional charges are the production of a biological toxin, namely ricin, contrary to Section one of the Biological Weapons Act 1974, and possession of information, namely a PDF file entitled Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants, the Al-Qaeda Training Manual.

She insisted her hands were tied and the police were not hiding information. She then went on to warn us all to shut the hell up or risk being locked up if we dare speculate on the case. But what does seem very clear to me is that Farage was one of the only politicians to call this incident correctly. So the political elites and MSM figures who were telling people like him and me to shut up and blindly accept the official narrative should now hold their heads in shame. Yet again, they've been exposed. As Douglas Murray posted on X this afternoon, now we know why the UK authorities kept so quiet after the slaughter of three young girls in Southport. They kept silence because the suspect had Al-Qaeda manuals. They knew, they just didn't want the public to know

because they think the public can't be trusted. And all of this situation is why we desperately need a political revolution in the UK. The time has come for genuine change. And in my opinion, Robert Jenrick is the only hope of saving the dying Conservative Party. This is his incredibly powerful response to news of a potential cover-up. As the dad of three daughters, the Southport attack hit me personally. Of course, the legal process needs to be respected, but I'm seriously concerned that the facts may have been withheld from the public here. The government and authorities told us for months that they were not treating this as a terrorist incident. But today the attacker has been charged with terrorist offences and it has been revealed that he has been

allegedly reading terrorist manuals. This atrocity was of immense public concern. The public had the right to know the truth right away. Any suggestion of a cover-up will permanently damage trust in whether we are being told the truth about crime in our country. So Keir Starmer must urgently explain to the country what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learnt it.

Across the board, the hard reality of mass migration is being covered up. The public can see with their own eyes that they are being gaslit by the liberal elite. It won't be easy. Indeed, 14 years of failure and a surging Nigel Farage may have made the task impossible. But today, Jenrick granted me his only independent interview of his leadership campaign versus Kemi Badenoch. My line of questioning, as you will see, couldn't

be more different from the MSM. I asked him about free speech and his tepid response to Elon Musk, the lawfare being waged against the working classes and Peter Lynch's death in custody, and Tommy Robinson's jailing, the types of issues mainstream journalists and broadcasters avoid like the plague. But most importantly, he conceded that the MSM itself is now responsible for trying to change the narrative with its sick brand of activist reporting even around the Southport massacre. I don't want people to be calling out incidents you know squeamishly or selectively as we saw earlier in the summer. In fact I want the media to be able to speak about these things much more openly than they are today. I'm worried that we are sliding into the position that we see in some other European countries like Germany, where there is censorship either by regulation or self-censorship and serious crimes that are being committed,

for example, by illegal migrants on the streets are not being covered properly out of fear for community tensions and community cohesion issues. That is wrong. We need to be ensuring that our meetings are calling out what is happening, no veil of secrecy being drawn over what's happening on our own streets. That is letting the British public down. And then crucially, there is Jenrick's plan to deport one million illegal migrants. There are no ifs, no buts, and no equivocations from him. It's incredibly refreshing. And in that exclusive interview today, Jenrick also makes a solemn vow to the outspoken family that he will undertake this pledge with no tacking back to the centre if he does manage

to win the race and then become Prime Minister. Now, Nigel Farage says mass deportations are politically and practically impossible. But I believe Jenrick might be about to shift the Overton window in British politics. So it's critical Conservative members vote for him. And on that note, it is now time for the uncancelled interview with Robert Jenrick. Robert Jenrick, thank you so much for being on Outspoken today. It is a critical week, of course, in your campaign against Kemi Badenoch. Well, Jan, thank you very much for having me on. I want to start with mass deportations,

because Nigel Farage has said that they are a political and practical impossibility. Why do you disagree with him? And how will you ensure, Robert, that there are mass deportations of, for example, foreign criminals in British jails? Well, I think we've got to take action on this. We have 10,000 foreign criminals in our prisons today, making it difficult for us to lock up dangerous people who we want to get off the streets and keep the public safe. We don't know precisely how many people are in this country illegally, but survey after survey suggests it's a very large number. It's over a million people in all likelihood. So we've got to take action. When I was the immigration minister for a year, I increased the numbers being deported by 70%. But that's not enough. We need to go further than that in order to get those

people out of our country who've broken the law and to disincentivise more people from coming. I've said we should use all the levers of the British state to do this. Why are we giving foreign aid to countries, frankly, that are not taking back their own citizens, even those who are in our prisons and we need to get back to their home countries. Why are we giving visas to countries who are not taking us seriously? We need to ensure that the UK is stepping up, not being treated like mugs. Let's get these people out of our prisons, off our streets, back home and secure our borders once and for all. But there's a million. There is at least a million who are illegally here. You're saying you will try to deport them all?

Yes, I am. I don't pretend it's going to be plain sailing. It will be a massive step up from anything that any prior government has done in the past. But I don't think that the alternative is tenable, that we have hundreds of thousands of people in our country who have no right to be here, who have broken the law of the land. That is wrong. So we should be ensuring that a new Home Office with the proper resources that it requires and using every lever that we have as a country to tackle this once and for all. And so Nigel is wrong, just to clarify, Nigel Farage is wrong when he says it is a practical and political impossibility. Yes, he is. Look, we haven't done this before.

I worked hard to increase the numbers being removed with some success, but we need to step up our game to an altogether higher level. And to achieve this, we have to leave the European Convention on Human Rights, because it's the ECHR which time and again prevents us from taking the action that we need. Let me give you an example. You know, a Ugandan man just the other day who clubbed somebody to death in the back of an ambulance in North London was prevented from leaving this country, being deported back to Uganda because of the ECHR, where it cited Article 3. Instead, that man is now in our prisons, costing taxpayers millions of pounds, taking the place of somebody else who should be locked up to keep the public safe. You know, there was a Somali

terrorist who did copycat bombings on the tube in London, could have killed hundreds of people, was locked up, later released. We tried to remove him back home to Somalia. Because of the ECHR, he has now been prevented. He is literally walking the streets of our country. That is not right. We've got to take action. If we can leave the European Convention on Human Rights, replace it with a British Bill of Rights, we can get on and do this, secure our borders, get those people off our streets, keep the British public safe once again. Absolutely. This is music to my ears. But the challenge you've got, Robert, is you have to get people like me and a lot of my audience, we are longtime Tory supporters who, shock horror, voted for reform at the last election. You have to get us back, Robert, and you have to get us to trust you again. Now, some of your colleagues have recently told the iNewspaper

that you're going to tack back to the centre after being elected in a very similar way to, for example, Keir Starmer after his leadership election. So can you give your word, Robert, a solemn vow, not to me, but to the Outspoken family watching now, that you believe everything that you're saying, especially about mass deportations, and that as Prime Minister you will deliver what you're saying? There are very few things that you can be certain of in life.

But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink. And, of course, you can rest assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans, you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for. Public Mobile. Different is calling. Yes, Dan, I do.

Look, I understand the anger and the frustration of millions of people in our country. I share it myself. It's ultimately why I chose to resign from the Cabinet at the end of last year. I was the only person to resign from Cabinet in the whole of the last five years. Yes, and kudos for you doing that. And I did it, Dan, after fighting relentlessly to reduce the numbers coming into our country legally by 300,000 a year, but it wasn't enough.

I did it after fighting for a stronger version of the Rwanda bill. And then I left the cabinet in order to go back into parliament on the back benches and work with 60 conservative colleagues to try to change the law, to ensure that the ECHR couldn't prevent us from getting those flights off to Rwanda,

getting those people out of our country. If you look at the people who are backing me to be the leader of our party, people like Lord David Frost, our former chief Brexit negotiator, people like Bill Cash, who's spent all careers fighting for parliamentary sovereignty, whether it's on Brexit or now on our borders to stop illegal migration. These people are supporting me, backing me, because they have faith in me.

They think they can trust me to fix this problem, to do as I say. And I'm not prepared to be just another politician who makes and breaks promises. And that's one of the things I want to ensure this leadership contest settles, that we as a party begin to get back those voters who left us to reform by having very clear and unambiguous promises, not platitudes, not rhetoric, but saying we will cap legal migration in the tens of thousands, make it the law of the land this time, that we leave the European Convention on Human Rights so that we can finally secure our borders. So Dan, if there are Conservative Party members listening to your show, and I know not everybody is, I would urge them, use your vote in the

remaining hours of this contest to ensure we have a leader who has conviction on this issue, who has clear policies and is determined to change the Conservative Party to get these things done. Now, on Nigel, one of the issues, I think, Robert, for us is that you're talking very tough. You're saying you want to retire him. But Robert, we really like you, but we also really like Nigel. And surely there's a reality here. You're going to have to do, as Conservative Party leader, a deal or an electoral pact of some form with Reform UK to win in 2029. So why not acknowledge that now? Why are you being so tough talking about wanting to retire Nigel?

Well, I respect Nigel Farage. He and I agree on many things. But he is the leader of a different political party, one which is intent on destroying the Conservative Party. I don't think he wants to join the Conservative Party. What I want to do is lead the Conservative Party in a way which brings back those voters that we lost, restores the trust and the confidence of the millions of

small seed Conservatives who we have lost in recent years. I think you do that by having a leader that has a track record on these issues, who has some credibility and authenticity, but also by having very clear and unambiguous policies on those principal issues. And the other things, frankly, the reform voters care about, like strong defences, where we need to be spending more on our armed forces by taking that money from our international aid budget so we can get the defence budget back to the level that it needs to be in a dangerous world. We have first passed the post, right? Yeah, but we have first passed the post, right? Yeah, but we have

first passed the post. So, what if the British public voted Reform UK the biggest party but required a Conservative coalition deal to govern? Would you consider that? And would you serve in a cabinet with Nigel Farage as Prime Minister,

for example? No. Look, I want to, with all due respect, retire Nigel Farage, get back those voters we've lost, get back the Conservative Party into power. That's what we need as a country right now. We need to take the fight to Labour, ultimately win the next general election. If I was leader of this party,

I would hope that the millions of people who left us to reform can have confidence in us once again, that we're under new management, that we believe in this, we get it, we understand the anger and frustration, legitimate anger and frustration, that people feel across this country and that we're going to be different next time. Okay. What about Nigel Farage's Home Secretary then with you as Prime Minister? No look you're attempting me Dan but what I want to do is make sure the Conservative Party is back in contention and there's a simple choice really for members who are yet to vote in this leadership election. Do you want someone who has that credibility, who has clear and unambiguous positions on these issues or a vague promise

of a plan tomorrow. I always think that clear, unambiguous policies now are much more valuable. So I urge your viewers to vote for me, ensure the party can move forward and begin this long road of winning back the trust and confidence of the people that we've lost. Robert, you know, my other big issue is free speech, which is under absolute dire threat internationally. So I was quite surprised to read in The Spectator that you said you're not a big fan of Elon Musk. And I was really confused about that because I've obviously loved your campaign. I've agreed with most of what you've said. But Elon Musk won my poll of the top freedom fighters in the world. I think this guy, I mean, there he is

with Rishi Sunak. I think this guy is arguably the most important man in the world. So what is it about Elon Musk that concerns you? Look, I haven't said I have concerns. I think he's done a good job since taking over on X. What I want us to do is be very robust in defending freedom of speech, which I think is in danger in this country as across the West. And we need to make sure that we are holding Labour to account. You know, they just scrapped the freedom of speech bill in Parliament. Big mistake. We need to ensure that we are not over-regulating the internet.

I've opposed the idea of legal but harmful content. You know, there shouldn't be laws that prevent you from saying things online, which you couldn't say on the streets. That is very important to me. And I'll certainly be doing everything I can, if I'm leader of this party, to defend freedom of speech here and abroad. Do we need a First Amendment? Well, one of the things I have said, Dan, is that if we leave the European Convention on Human Rights and draft our own British Bill of Rights, this is a big opportunity for us conservatives to protect the freedoms and liberties of British people in a new way.

And I want to work with great jurists and lawyers like Lord Jonathan Sumption to draft that. And I think it could improve freedom of speech because there are rights in this country which are undoubtedly in danger, like private property rights, freedom of religion, freedom of speech. And if we have the opportunity now to draft a British Bill of Rights, why not protect and enhance those freedoms and liberties? And I would start with freedom of speech. Is it right that Lucy Connolly and Julie Sweeney, a housewife who is married to a conservative politician and a grandmother, are in prison for an ex and Facebook post respectively,

when we know there are paedophiles and women beaters who haven't served a day in jail? Well, I don't know enough, in honesty, about the specific case to comment on whether or not their sentences were correct. But obviously, I want to ensure that we are locking up those serious offenders, like sexual offenders, like the sorts that you mentioned. And that's why I want to get building more prisons. I want to have hyper prolific offenders behind bars. I want to ensure we're taking a tougher approach on policing. I'm very worried about creeping two tier policing on our streets right now, where the police seem to be more on community relations or so-called community leaders than they are about enforcing the law without fear or favour. That is my priority.

What about the death of Peter Lynch in custody? Now, this is a man who was locked up after the Southport massacre, so-called riots. He wasn't responsible, Robert, for any violence himself. He called the police scum. He certainly used some hurty words, but he was sentenced to two years and eight months, and according to the Daily Telegraph, took his own life behind bars. Obviously, Sly News had reported that Muslim gangs were intending to target so-called rioters behind bars.

Are you concerned about the death of Peter Lynch? Yes, I am. Of course, I'm concerned about what's happened in that case. And I want the criminal justice system and our politicians, frankly, to be taking a much more even-handed approach. I don't want people to be calling out incidents, you know, squeamishly or selectively, as we saw earlier in the summer. In fact, I want the media to be able to speak about these things much more openly than they are today. I'm worried that we are sliding into the position that we see in some other European countries like Germany, where there is censorship, either by regulation or self-censorship and serious crimes that are being committed, for example,

by illegal migrants on the streets are not being covered properly out of fear for community tensions and community cohesion issues. That is wrong. We need to be ensuring that our media are calling out what is happening, no veil of secrecy being drawn over what's happening on our own streets. That is letting the British public down. Tommy Robinson was sentenced to 18 months in prison yesterday, now this is because he broadcast the film Silenced. It's a very controversial movie. Obviously, there was a judge's order not to broadcast the film. However, if we had a First Amendment, which I believe we should, he would

be able to broadcast this journalism. And then if someone wanted to sue him for it successfully, they could do so. Is it really right that Tommy Robinson is locked up for 18 months? And is he not virtually now on a political, becoming a political prisoner? Well, I'm not going to comment on the specific case of Tommy Robinson, but the broader point you make is an important one. What we need to ensure is that freedom of speech is properly protected in our country. Which can address these issues and have a national debate about how we can protect and preserve freedom of speech in this country. There are obviously millions of people who are deeply concerned

about mass migration, about rising illegal migration, and about the challenges of integration, community cohesion that come with them. And I want to ensure that politicians like myself give voice to those people so the silent majority do not feel, as they do today, that they're being ignored. And that will only breed more discontent,

more disturbances in our country in the years ahead. Okay, so you're saying you understand, for example, why some of those people may have chosen to peacefully protest in London over the weekend? Yes, I do. I mean, of course, we will never condone any violence or fuckery. If indeed there was some, but... There wasn't any over the weekend.

But I agree, I'm opposed to all violence. There's certainly all violence against the police. But it's incredibly important that people have the right to protest and that we fight creeping two-tier policing, because that's something I'm deeply worried about. And I know there are millions of people across the country who feel those concerns as well. And they should have the right to articulate those concerns. And I certainly will as leader of the Conservative Party. Finally, Robert, two particular bugbears of mine. Will you defund the BBC and will you finally sell off Channel 4?

Well, I am worried about bias in our media. And you see that repeatedly on the BBC and indeed Channel 4. I worry about the lack of diversity of opinion that you see on much of our mainstream media and we need to be tackling that if these are going to continue to be so-called public service broadcasters then they need to be ensuring that they are representing the whole country, not just a narrow stream of metropolitan opinion. Indeed. Well, look, it's a big week for you. Good luck on Saturday. I think you are the man the Conservative Party needs. Well, Dan, thank you very much indeed. And I would urge your viewers to get out and vote

because the Conservative Party needs to change. It's got to listen to the public, win back those people who are deeply sceptical of us right now. And you do that with courage and substance, clear policies to tackle the issues that people are understandably concerned about. And I want to do that. I'm lucky enough to take the party forward from Saturday. Robert Jenrick, thank you so much. Good luck. That's Robert Jenrick and the uncancelled interview. Now, The Outsider. And to react to that, I am joined by Georgia Leah Gaholi. She is an independent conservative journalist who has written for the likes of Conservative Home, The Spectator and The Critic.

She also has concerns about Kemi Badenoch not being a real conservative. So, Georgia, that was great to have you, by the way. That was Robert Jenrick's first interview in the independent media space. I think it's really important he did it before the end of the campaign because, of course, we talk about lots of issues that the mainstream media space. I think it's really important he did it before the end of the campaign, because of course, we talk about lots of issues that the mainstream media ignore. But on the whole, I was very, very impressed with him. What did you make of it? Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. I think you and I both know that any politician, you obviously have to take everything they say with a huge um you know

dose of salt however what's very clear from this interview previous interviews and kemi badenock's record is that kemi badenock is not presenting policy she's saying look we'll talk about that in the future uh brooke jemrick he sees these issues especially with mass immigration and he says look we're going to do these specific things. I'm committed to leading the ECHR, possibly committed to repealing the Human Rights Act and the Equalities Act. These are kind of the very basic things that need to be done so that we can detain and deport foreign criminals. Temi Badenoch is not promising that.

She's not promising it at all. And if we look at her record, she has Michael Gove as her kind of mentor throughout her time um you know beginning as an mp um he you know even back in the coalition uh days he lobbied according to the financial times lobbied within a cabinet against uh legally binding caps on legal migration um and in terms of her own record in parliament she's proudly lobbied for higher immigration after brexit in 2017 she gave a speech in parliament saying i'm so proud of these you know relaxations of visas etc etc she's not really adequately explained that she's changed

her mind on that which makes me think that she's not changed her mind robert jemrick at least despite having maybe a bit more of a quote-unquote moderate background as an mp he's at least explained look i had this kind of you know damascene conversion style story when i was working at the home office and of course he resigned from boris shott sorry she's the next administration kemi badnock didn't she was there until the end robert jemrick has that advantage he can separate himself he can say look it got too much for me i'm going to do things differently she doesn't have that advantage unfortunately for her no indeed i completely agree i think that is a very good analysis and she is clearly worried by the way because there's lots of reports that

actually conservative members haven't been voting in their droves, they've been waiting, and so as a result, all of a sudden she's like, oh, I might have to speak to the media. Look, if Kemi Badenot wins on Saturday, personally, I think the Conservative party have finished for a generation. If Robert Jenrick wins, all bets are off, and something quite exciting could be happening in British politics when you look at Jenrick and Nigel Farage moving that Overton window. But breaking right now, there is growing outrage over two-tier justice in the UK after Tommy Robinson was jailed for 18 months because of his journalism. We don't have a First Amendment in this country. Meanwhile, Labour MP Mike Amesbury hasn't even been arrested for literally assaulting one of his constituents. So, Georgia, what do you make of the sentence handed down to Tommy Robinson and should we really be living

in a country where any piece of journalism can see you be locked up when he is going to be in solitary confinement in Belmarsh for up to nine months sure the film silenced is incredibly controversial I get that we have a right to sue in this country. People have a right in order to win damages. Why is he being locked up and is he now a political prisoner? I wouldn't necessarily without knowing all the specifics here call him a political prisoner, but I think it's very clear over the past decade or so, he's definitely become a political scapegoat whether it's in the media or sometimes um you know politicians he's kind of seen as this daunting figurehead of the far right um i don't know if you saw recently the documentary on channel four and in collaboration they kind of presented him as this sort of um you know all powerful terrifying mastermind of

britain's far right which is not even really it's it's not an accurate portrayal of the actual far right in britain at all which i think is is pretty dangerous because there is there are really you know people who actually love it the book sets are out there tommy robinson isn't one of them and i think that you know as dissatisfaction with our institution grows there will be that right of far right radicalization radicalization sorry in some parts of society. And I think that if you're not actually willing to look into that properly, why it's happening,

who's involved, and you just blame it all on one person who is, I wouldn't even necessarily classify Tommy Robinson as far-right. I think that he lacks self-discipline and I think he's been um he has uh said things that are incorrect on occasion but obviously who hasn't but i think because of his sort of brash manner because he doesn't help himself sometimes like you know possibly with this film having elements of libel and i think that he's seen as a very convenient scapegoat and i think also there are

people in some progressive bubbles who you know anytime anyone wants to criticize mass immigration or criticize issues of islamism or you know that um the muslim grooming gang are scandals and etc i think they say oh my goodness you know isn't that something that tommy robbins would say which is irrelevant these are things that are problems that are that are happening or have happened and i think that we need to approach them you know in a clear-headed manner rather than say trying to kind of scapegoat everyone under one brush and i think that we need to approach them in a clear-headed manner rather than trying to scapegoat everyone under one brush and I think just talking about the sentence he got

regardless of what he was actually convicted of I think the reality is it's happened but in a society that wants to have citizens that feel secure which we don't at the moment the priority of course needs to be keeping violent criminals inside jail.

If that's not happening, they're actually being released. So what does that mean? Exactly, exactly. There's no way Tommy Robinson should be behind bars for what is very clearly not an act of violence whatsoever. But the judge made it really obvious. He wasn't trying to hide away from the fact that he was trying to send a message but i think your analysis on this actually is is is spot on and one of the big

issues is class warfare because look at someone who i respect greatly a friend of mine douglas murray gay middle class oxbridge graduate he says a lot of the same things that Tommy Robinson says, but because Tommy Robinson comes from a working class background, there is definitely a difference in the way the establishment and the mainstream media treat them. Then at the same time, Georgia, you have this astonishing story developing of Mike Amesbury, who is one of Keir Starmer's main allies, a bloke who was in the Labour shadow cabinet, who quite literally punched his constituent, Paul Fellows, according to the Times. This is after they discussed the winter fuel allowance cuts and the closure of a local bridge. Now, Paul had his hands in his pockets, but the information emerged slowly over 24 hours.

So here's what we saw first of the senior Labour Is it Mike? He's the local MP Jono. Oh yeah. Get him on camera Jono, he's the local MP. The MP at Runcorn. That's what you should be doing around here. The MP at Runcorn, he's the local MP Jono. Come and threaten the MP, you'll never do it again will you? The MP at God's

But at that point we didn't know, had there been some violence on the part of the constituent? Hmm. Not once we saw it from this angle. Stop it! Stop it! No, no, no, no, no! Hey! Hey! Hey! And most damning was this Daily Mail exclusive footage. Now there's always a tweet isn't there? Do you remember after the so-called riots following the Southport massacre Mike Amesbury had written, all the thugs and criminals see what to expect below. Prison sentences for violent disorders up to five years. He also posted on X that Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak should resign for breaking the law. Now, we all know that if this were a senior Conservative MP, an ally of Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak during their time in government,

it would be leading the mainstream media. This story is being treated as some sort of joke. Look at where it's treating. The House Secretary trying to defend his mate with Kay Burley on Sly News this morning. Hard working, affable, decent parliamentarian, stands up for his constituents. You know, he knocks them down sometimes. I mean, a good line, but it's not funny, is it and at the end of the day georgia given what this bloke mike amesbury was saying to so-called rioters should he now not be locked up for five years given the footage shows him

quite clearly hitting in the face punching in the face a constituent who may have been challenging his opinions, but was certainly not challenging him physically. From that footage, it looks like he was in the wrong in that altercation. We saw him push the man into the road. And this is very, very serious stuff. If you push someone in the wrong position, their head hits a certain spot they could be dead within seconds this is very serious stuff um it's it's absolutely not becoming of an mp or any human to behave this way on the streets i wouldn't be surprised if in the coming days or weeks or you know if this goes to trial or something if uh we're kind of treated with oh he was drunk or you know he was having a bad day or something like that i think if drink is an issue because i think this was happening near a pub right if drinks the issue

i think you shouldn't be drinking that much if you know that's how you get when you drink so um it's not it's just not good behavior and i think that um obviously we do have a lot going on in the news today unfortunately and a lot of it not good um but i think absolutely an mp should be held to their own standards. And regardless of any of his opinions, violent offenders, they need to be brought to justice. And at the moment, it doesn't seem like that's what's happened so far with this gentleman.

Or gentleman might be a bit too kind of a word. Thug. He's a thug. Mike Amesbury is the worst sort of lefty thug and at the end of the day after the way that he was politicizing the so-called riots after the southport massacre if he doesn't get five years in prison for that then we will have absolute categorical proof of two-tier justice in the uk but let's be honest we already know that two-tier justice in the UK, but let's be honest, we already know that two-tier justice in the UK exists. Now look, stand by Georgia, because in just one minute, Angela Levin is going to join us, and I'm going to be responding for the first time about this loose women race war. Charlene White and Judy Love have said some despicable things over this, including about me. Stand by.

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receive 15% off your first order. Let me repeat the website address, www.buy.ver.so forward slash OUTSPOKEN. Use the coupon code OUTSPOKEN. But now back to the show and I'm delighted to join, I'm delighted to be joined by Angela Levin alongside Georgia Leah Geholey. And breaking right now, the loose women race war has stepped up a gear. After two of the show's panelists, Judy Love and Charlene White, decided to target me personally after I commented on the hypocrisy and irony of woke ITV saying that all white panels were not acceptable. But it's perfectly fine to have an all black panel. Now, you can imagine the mainstream media absolutely loves Charlene's response. OK Magazine, The Independent, loads of people writing all about it.

But actually, I think what these two women are now perpetuating shows why critical race theory is so damaging. Because it treats the races in a completely different way. So all I said, by the way, I just need to clarify this, all I said was that woke ITV certainly has a particularly funny diversity policy. Charlene White responded by writing, bitterness is a very lonely color, Dan. Black women face some of the worst abuse on social media. That is a fact. So this man, talking about me, with a following of almost half a million, it's actually over half a million, but fine, decides to target four black women for having successful careers. How on earth did I do that? Riling the racists for clout and clicks is

the weirdest pastime. And then Judy Love, she's allegedly a comedian, although I've never seen her say anything funny. She weighed in saying, well, someone was bored today. However, inciting hate and racism toward four hardworking, successful black women really shows the low level some are willing to go for attention. It's crazy how much it bothers some to see us on TV, but guess what? We'll be back again soon. So I'm going to respond to Charlene White and Judy Love now for the first time, because let me be very clear. I was inciting nothing. And it's actually completely despicable for you to try and shut down any sort of debate over the madness of DEI and the madness of positive discrimination practices because you throw around terms like inciting hate

and inciting racism. That's sick because I wasn't doing that. And you know that. You're being incredibly intellectually dishonest. What I was doing is pointing out the clear irony and hypocrisy that ITV, woke ITV, thinks it's completely wrong nowadays to have four white women on a panel, even though, let's be honest, we are a majority white country and over 80% white country. It used to be considered perfectly acceptable. But ITV has decided that is completely wrong and they have been criticized for it. However, having four black panelists, even though the black population in the UK is under 10% of our total numbers. And in fact, there's no diversity when you look at these four black women because they all come from a very similar background, live in a very similar way, come from a very similar class. That isn't diversity. And I was simply trying to make

the point that there shouldn't be hypocrisy over this and that ITV has a very funny idea of what is considered diversity. Now, if we try and stop debates on those types of issues by throwing around disgusting and discriminatory terms like inciting racism and inciting hate, then no wonder the left are actually the people who are accused of driving the most hate in society today. So let me bring in two fabulous superstar journalists now, Georgia Leah Gaholi and Angela Levin. So Georgia, can you understand why I'm so angry about this? Because I was certainly not doing anything that Charlene White and Judy Love accused me of, but what it feels like they want to do is shut down any debate around positive discrimination practices, which are very much in place at ITV, and say that if you want to debate those practices, you're a racist.

You're inciting hate. Absolutely. In your tweet, nothing about race was mentioned. However, that's instantly what the panelists jumped to i think that's unfortunate i think without obviously wanting to read too much into her own mindset there could be some kind of victim mentality there or maybe she herself wanted to rile up her own followers for example i actually as a huge coincidence i believe i watched the show that day because i recognized the ladies outfits and and they discussed the matter of Chris Cabba being killed by a Met Police officer and the kind of the controversy that came after that and I was kind of baffled I was sort of listening to it in the background

how they all seemed to agree somewhat that possibly something had been done wrong or they seemed to kind of view Chris Cabba as some kind of victim. There was a bit of disagreement but they seemed all to kind of at least think that maybe you know people were right to you know bring this matter to trial and obviously we know what happened. The police officer was in the right, Chris Cabba was quite violently resisting arrest and this was someone who had you know a pretty horrific track record involved in gang culture unfortunately and I think it's tragic that someone's life gets to that obviously but they have responsibility for that and I think um there's kind of this this approach in the progressive media which I would I would say

that Luce and Wynne is probably a bit more open to debate because it's a panel show than a lot of shows. However, they don't necessarily have people who are openly right-wing on it often. And I think that's obvious. It's quite similar to the show The View in America, which kind of maybe 10, 15 years ago, they may have had more conservative people on. But now it's just kind of, it really is an echo chamber.

And I think it's obvious from the way she responded that that is the kind of the ITV mindset, unfortunately. Yeah. And it's groupthink, isn't it? And that groupthink perpetuates through the panel. And actually, Carol McGiffin, who was the best loose woman by far, she came on my GB News show a couple of years ago to say she'd had to leave because it's so woke. And actually, they didn't tolerate anyone who went against the groupthink. my GB News show a couple of years ago to say she'd had to leave because it's so woke and actually they didn't tolerate anyone who went against the group thing. But Angela Levin, the point I was

trying to make was that surely if you're saying it's unacceptable to have four white panellists on something, then it's also unacceptable to have four black panellists on something. There needs to be genuine diversity. Well, I don't think quite the same as you in this case. I think that actually so many people are now sort of wound up with anger and frustration. And I think that they expose all that. And the smallest thing, they burst to the anger and make ridiculous accusations and I think that there's something wrong with the whole of society at the moment because we are all very angry and frustrated about almost everything and I think the way not to telling you what to do but the way to do it in my view is to ignore it and just let people get on with it and it passes um and i and i think that um we mustn't sort of nitpick on that

other people can itv can let them do it but actually um you can just get on with it in your own way and you're not a racist at all I've never seen the slightest thing ignition of that and I think that we just have to try and be ourselves and not bother about a lot of people who are desperate to be woke and want to try anything to sort of win that battle. And actually they can't because they're not sort of made for that. So they do all sorts of other things and then get very angry. Yeah. And I actually think, Georgia, that's a really fair point. But the thing is, I was never saying ITV can't do this. They are a commercial organisation. they can do whatever they want but i think that there should be able to be a debate around it that was my point and actually my tweet literally said how

woke itv does diversity i was stating a fact i wasn't saying they shouldn't do this but what i found so offensive is the fact that that tweet was then used to create an accusation of me inciting hate and racism, which is actually completely untrue, totally libelous, actually. And very often what people on the left do in order to shut down debate because they want to terrify any white person, for example, into never questioning positive discrimination, even though I know for sure, Georgia, that ITV, for example, lots of my former colleagues, I mean, for people who don't know, I actually worked at ITV daytime for 10 years. I know how they operate very, very well. I was the show's presenter on The Lorraine Show, which sort of was part of the same stable as Loose Women. I know lots of the Loose Women. I know lots of people who work behind the scenes. But I also know there's been lots of people at ITV who have been

told, you are losing your job on screen because we are specifically hiring a black person for the job. Now, they don't talk about we need to hire a working class person. They don't talk about we need to hire an Asian person. ITV has a very specific mindset of what they consider diversity, and I believe that it's wrong. Absolutely, I agree with Angela that, obviously, when it comes to our personal lives, it's better to keep a cool head always. But I think when it comes to an organisation like ITV,

as you're saying, Dan, they have a huge amount of influence, probably the second biggest TV organisation in the country. And I think that what you're saying about them having these targets to hire specifically black people or black women or, you know, saying that it's wrong to have an all-white panel, I think it's sad and I think it implies that there's something wrong with being white. And I think it also risks elevating people for reasons other than merit.

And let's be real, you know, traditional television, the viewer figures are going down. Surely they want to inspire more people to tune in rather than putting people there, you know, because they tick a certain box. I know, you know, obviously Loose Women isn't all in the programme, but let but let's say for example if I were hired because of my religious background or because of where I'm from I think I would be quite upset and quite down to earth and I would think why are they not hiring me you know on merit I think it's just not helpful I think of course um you know loose women you know it's not politics live it's not a really high lofty intellectual debate type show it's not for that it's for these kind of casual debates about important issues but I think it's not a really high lofty intellectual debate type show it's not for that it's for these kind of casual debates that important issues but i think it's political without realizing it's kind

of it buys into this uh woke ideology without even realizing it because that is the norm now and i think that's quite dangerous and i think people people are tuning out probably you know that is one of the reasons why no No, absolutely. They absolutely are. And look, I didn't say in my ex post, maybe it would have been unkind for me to do so. But Charlene White is one of those people who has very much benefited from positive discrimination. She's not a talented woman and she has got a lot of work

because of diversity quotas. Now, that is okay if that's what ITV wants to do, but I do think it does actually mean there are other people now who have been overlooked for jobs. And personally, I don't believe in positive discrimination at all. I just think we should be able to have the debate without revolting accusations about racism and inciting hate thrown around. But Georgia Leah Gaholi, thank you so much. So brilliant to have you on Outspoken for the first time today. Angela Levin, don't you go anywhere, though,

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