Dan Wootton Outspoken - RUPERT LOWE & NIGEL FARAGE ON TRIAL AS REFORM UK CHALLENGED BY RESTORE BRITAIN IN 1ST DEBATE

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is a special edition of Outspoken. And do you remember one of my favourite features on my former GBNU show was The Clash? And so we are bringing it back for one week only where we debate the biggest issues in the world and specifically the United Kingdom. Because today, who is going to save our country? Reform UK or Restore Britain. Joining me to Clash it out. Reform. campaign manager for Kensington and Chelsea, Keziere Noble, and Restore Britain's Montgomery, Tombs, who was also the founder of Freedom Watch G.B. Remember, there is no great expression or union jackass this week because of these clash specials. But the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow continues,

as usual, over on Substack, after the main show, you can sign up to watch at www. dot outspoken. But now, let's go. So the rights are bitterly divided on the issue of which political party can save Britain before it's too late as the disunited kingdom is heading towards a dark future ruled by Islamism and communism.

Now, I know a lot of you say, Nigel Farage is our only chance at escaping this hellhole, but a growing renegade force has emerged. And they argue that Farage cannot be trusted. And Rupert Lowe is the only man who has what it takes with his new political party, Restore Britain. So it is a very simple question today.

Who is going to save the country? Reform UK or Restore Britain. And to clash on this, Reform Campaign Manager for Kenner, Kensington and Chelsea, Kesea Noble, who says only Reform UK can save Britain. She's going head to head with Montgomery Tom's, who believes Restore Britain, is our only hope. Now, I am going to let both of you put forward your cases now, officially representing your parties. Montgomery, you've only got a minute, so go. Yeah, I'll keep it very short and sweet.

Ultimately, Restore is against the establishment. Restore hasn't taken in a bunch of Tories who are responsible for screwing up this country in the first. place. It's to the point, it's cutthroat. We're in a space where we're not there to necessarily just go and want to please everybody. It's about saying, no, this is what Britain needs, this is what Britain deserves, and also talking about accountability and justice and not hiding away from the past five, six years specifically as well. And I think that ultimately, that's what the British people want. They are hungry for straight talking to the point, policies, ideas, rather than this sort of flip-floppy, wishy-washy narratives

that I think reform is pushing forward. So that's that there. There you go in a nutshell. Okay, 40 seconds. You've done it in 40 seconds. Kesea Noble, a minute. Why is Reform UK the answer? When it comes to Restore versus Reform,

the question isn't who sounds the most patriotic. It's who has an actual plan that you can implement. This is the first reason for why I've chosen Reform UK over Restore. Britain. They have a plan. They are offering very specific, very well-thought-out changes which can actually be implemented. It's not a plan if it can't be implemented. They have second reason. They have credibility, which is incredibly important when it comes to winning elections. They have a far greater national visibility than Restore do. They're organized. They have very high-profile leadership, which is incredibly important. They have broader policies, and they have a strong electoral track record.

Now, if you look at Restore Britain, their visibility is online. Their visibility is online because of viral posts, and I admit it, very high levels of online engagement. But their offline engagement is pretty bad. So that's the third reason. Offline engagement. Okay. Okay. I have more to say.

Time is up. More to say, but let's kick off on that then, Monty. Like, isn't Keziah right? Rupert Lowe is a great online figure supported by Elon Musk but actually out there in the real world everyone knows Nigel Farage No, it's great

It's what a lot of people are saying Well I can tell you one of the things I fundamentally do Dan, people that do follow my work because I go out in the street So I'm not focused actually in I actually hate echo chambers online I find it detestable actually I think it's not what we should be doing

I want to be out on the street speaking to the average person I've been out in the street recently. In fact, when we finish this show, I'm about to head into Central London. I'm going to go and speak to people about exactly what you're referencing. And I can tell you, my experience is

far more people know Rupert Lowe than you'd actually anticipate. Kizzi is shaking her head. Why are you shaking your head? They don't have a clue who he is. But I've seen it. I've been out there. Actually, this is not a personal attack,

but I have seen the videos that you make and you go up to people with... You're allowed to do personal attacks here, Kit. Go for it. It's not my style. It's not my style, because I think me and you, are ultimately on the same side. We want the same thing for Britain.

Britain is broken and we want to see less immigration. We want to see lower taxes. Would you agree with that so far? Of course, yeah. So we're on the same side. It's just that you're going for somebody who's got an online presence with no workable plan. What's your attack?

Okay, my attack is I've seen your videos and it's very provocative. You're going up to people who are clearly anarchists and you've got like the union jack in your hand and they're spitting on it. It's all very viral. Okay. but that doesn't translate into votes.

I'm actually speaking to people. When I go to, I was saying this earlier, when I was, when I go to, do you say Monty's an attention seeker? I think, well, you know, maybe I'm an attention seeker too. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to call you an attention seeker. I think you're coming from a very good place and you want the best, but I think, yes, you are in a chamber,

you are going up to people who you know are just, you know, they're going to respond badly if they see a union jack. And I think that you are. That's disgusting. It is disgusting. I agree. But I speak to average people who do not have a clue. They've never even heard of Restore Britain, let alone Rupert Lowe.

They don't know who Richard Tice is. They know Nigel Farage. That's it. Yeah. And it's, this is, so just to go to the point, the off-flat, so they have, you, you have visibility online, right? Mm-hmm. But we have visibility offline.

So we have a very steady growing offline campaign. This, we have a- I just admit that they don't know Richard Tice. So it sounds to me what you're saying, Kizier. And I will let you come back, but I've got to pick you up on this. Because I think you have just in some ways exploded your own argument. Because what you're saying is that you're a personality call behind one man, Nigel Farage. We have a very high profile leadership.

Yes, he's very high profile, unlike Rupert Lowe, who's not high profile. He is in Twitter world, but not in the real world. But going back to my point, we have a steady growing offline campaign. So we have literally an army on the ground of volunteers, of, as me, campaigners, of councillors, of members who are knocking on doors, speaking to the average person who still think it's a two-horse race. They're ahead. They're ahead of you, Monty.

That's a fair point, though, isn't it? Reform is so well organised. Very organised. Look, you've got to give reform the credit of they have broke, as I said before we started the show. You know, there are a battle ram to conversation and opening a whole, whole new, a whole new political world, really. Now, there's a lot to unpack there, so I'll do my best to go as quickly as possible. Right. I've been doing this a long time, so I've been out

campaigning, talking to people at times. I talk to anyone. So yes, there was a gentleman who spat on the St. George's Cross, which I put out. Yeah, cool. I also spoke to loads of other people. There's a, there's a, like a 10-minute video out there of where I'm speaking to a bunch of young people who agree and some of you don't. So that's just one clip that's been taken out of a long a long-form video. And plus, you know, I'm out there debating with uni students, sometimes talking about things which are very hot. There's not an army of you out there, though. Well, I'm building an army. So, which goes back to what you're saying is, you know, there is an element of time here, you know, restore just set up as a political party, gained 100,000 members. I think that's actually quite

in fact, it's incredible that the BBC is one of the most unprecedented things that has ever happened in the political world to get that level of membership that quickly, and the BBC don't even want to touch it. So we can, we can complain about the BBC, but if they're not going to feature anything to do with your party or Ruth Hiltlow? You think it's a good thing? I think that actually our support base recognise that we are genuinely anti-establishment and that we don't need the BBC to promote us.

You do need it. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I speak to the average person. I'm not living in Twitter bubble world. I speak to the average person who watches the BBC. They still get their information from there. Just let me finish. They still think, the average person still thinks that there is a two-horse race to this election, which is conservative or labor.

They barely register the fact that, you know, reform are a strong candidate. So I knock on those doors. We go and speak to those people. And they are watching BBC. They are watching ITV still. So you saying, well, we don't need BBC. We don't need ITV. Okay, that's very noble of you.

But it is going to hinder your chances of getting out. Again, your national visibility is very low. National visibility is very. Look at what happened to Ben. Habib, he's got a lot of followers, he's got high engagement rate. How many, how many votes did he get in the recent by-election? Okay, okay, so number one is there is a time, as I say, there's a time element here, okay? So just revisit that. We have just formed. So let's have this conversation again in, let's say, a year, okay? Let's say a year. And I'll be interested to let's see how

we've progressed in terms of what you would consider. I would say there are actually lots of people out there because I speak to a lot of people outside of the Twitter bubble. Well, the 100,000 figure is amazing. And that's important. cannot be underestimated because that is paid for membership, puts Restore Britain as a bigger party than the Liberal Democrats. And by the way, Kizier, they got that membership level a lot faster than you did. But a lot of that is a protest vote from a lot of disgruntled reformers. And they will come back to reform when it comes to the elections.

And I'll tell you why, because they will get, on the day before, they'll use their head. And they'll say, you know what, there's no chance that restore. And they'll do tactical. And they'll go back to reform. reform because I'm telling you now reform is a whether you said to me in the green room they don't go hard enough we'll talk about

that later because there's certain things by the way that you can't do that restore saying that they can do that just can't do it goes against constitutional law and I've done a lot of research on this but so you're making excuses but actually I want to kind of I'm trying to

I'm trying to unpack a lot of what you say the point is that they there are people who are doing this as a protest for a vote. I was the same. It took me time to choose reform UK. I was very upset when Rupert Lowe was thrown out of the party. That was disgusting.

They reported them to the police. I was upset because I've met him. I like, I think he's a good man. I don't have this opinion that all restore voters are these terrible people and other names that they've been called recently. I do not think that at all. I think they're good people who want the best for this country.

But let's put it this way. Layla Cunningham made a terrible mistake. didn't she? I can't speak for her. I can't speak and I won't speak for her. No, I'm not asking you to speak for her. I wouldn't have used that terminology. I wouldn't have used that terminology.

She was wrong to call Charlie Downs of Restore Britain a neo-Nazi, wasn't she? For me to call someone a neo-Nazi, they'd have to do something really bad. Why can't you just say she was wrong? Because you're scared because you know that Reform UK operate like a cult.

And if you say the wrong thing, you might be reported to the police next just like Rupert Lowe was. It's not a cult, but we are a very strong unit and we stick by each other and we're loyal to each other and you need that because look what happened to Thatcher. Look what happened to that.

I've got to just make this point. You're not loyal because your chairperson, Zia Youssef, reported Rupert Lowe, a man who you have just said that you like and is honourable to the police for hurting words. I didn't say honourable.

I don't know what went behind the closed doors. Maybe he's a difficult character. Maybe he was, look, he's already started up his own party now. Should he have been reported to the police? I don't know the situation. I wasn't even a member then. I wasn't even a member. But look, I'm just going to end my point. Can I just end my point? For me, Restore has a lot of heart. But reform has a lot of heart and strategy. And you need both if you want to succeed in politics. There's a lot. There's so much to unpack. So it seems to me, number one, that you're talking purely not from a

case of principle from a case of populism and popularity. So, so are you saying, you don't have to answer, it's rhetorical, but you can answer if you want to, are you saying that if Restore had the level of engagement, you're claiming that reform has over-restore, you would vote restore it. No, I think Nigel Farage is a better leader than Ruth put low. Okay, so you would vote for a party that is taken in Robert Jenrick, who's responsible for bringing in a million migrants in a year. You'd taken a party that is endorsed and brought in Adam Sahari, who's responsible for forgiving me for saying this, but I'm going to put it bluntly because you know my opinions, literally putting jabs into children. Children have died because

of these jabs. He then took away our fundamental rights and liberties through vaccine passports, vaccine mandates, saw that through. That man is now, inside reform. He is an evil man who, in my opinion, should be in prison and should be literally put through one of the most ruthless trials that we have, and yet he is, what you're proposing that that's a man that you want on side in reform. Swellabreman, okay, yeah, she said some good things again. She had her hands tied. You know that. Yeah, yeah, but my point, I think she's been the best affection. She, she, she, she, she, you know, I'm sorry, best affection. It's like the best of a bad bunch. I mean, who cares? I don't care. She's, she's a Tory. Again, she should, she, she,

Which one do you want me to focus on? Because you've written, let's say a lot of names there. Well, you can choose whichever you want. I'd say fundamentally in Adam Sahari, I think, and it's a disgusting man. How can you vote in that direction? It just can't, for me, sorry, I don't want to, for me, when, because I was, I was patient with reform. Okay, I was patient.

I'd never come out in support. I spoke at the reform conference, and I'd never said, I'm going to go and vote reform, but I did say, this is interesting. Let's wait and see. Then they come forward and they say, okay, we're going to endorse and bring in Nadin Saharie, I'm like, the man who told the, told parents that their role is no longer a factor in whether their children go and take an experimental MRI jab. It's disgusting.

I mean, you can't, in the last five years or six years, we have never seen something more authoritarian, more outrageous, more harmful than the lockdowns and the jabs and the mandates. And yet, that's who Nigel Farage invited in. Bearing in mind that, Nigel Farage is the man who banged. his pots and pans and endorsed Tony Blair as being a shining light when it comes to jabs. So Nigel Farage, by the way, and all the reform MPs, they voted against the vaccine passports. You do know that. So they might have taken the jab, but they did all of them vote against the vaccine passports. So when they wanted to bring in the vaccine passports to go into nightclubs and bars, they voted all against it, including Richard Tice, all of them.

Tice wasn't in it. I was going to say they weren't MPs. But he opposed them, yes. Okay, but I know that the ones who, oh, sorry, yes. They weren't MPs, yeah. But I'm saying what they individually all opposed those. That's one thing. Well, no, no, let me talk about him, okay?

So the reason why they've got the Tories on is for the experience. This is really important, okay? They need to have experienced MPs. Zahari, he was, look, I have strong feelings about the vaccine rollout, as you do, as we've discussed. I think we're on the same page there. He was following orders from Boris Johnson, and there's a lot of people out there

who think the vaccine rollout was brilliant. They thought it was really well done. It was well right. Let's say we were all pro this vaccine. We would have to all admit that it was really... From an organisational point. Wasn't even a vaccine. So why not he take that organization experience

and apply it to something else? He might be really good. Because he should be in jail. It's like just because you fess up and go, oh, I made an mistake. which, by the way, I found it utterly unnerving. I didn't say that. I just said it's the experience.

He's able to... But he's a liar. This is the problem that I've got. I've got Robert Generic. I'll go through every single point. But even if you just move away from the vaccines for one second and talk about the passports for a second. I mean, I literally had that dude, Nadine Zahawi.

On my show, I was hosted on Talk Radio through 2020. I made him promise that vaccine passports would never, ever come in. And literally, within... Within months, he had changed his mind. So he's a liar. I know what you're saying about experience, but I'm sorry. Experience should not be outweighed by immorality.

So I've given the reason for why they've brought him on. He's got a lot of experience. You do need that. I honestly don't know who Restore are going to have in position. It looks like people running around with cameras, interviewing people in the street and being... I'm Montgomery. No, not Montgomery.

Our mutual friends. No, our mutual friends. our mutual friend, young Bob, people like that, running around over camera trying to get clicks and likes. He isn't a formal representative. No, no, no. He's not, but he's a supporter. And I find that if that's who they've got in line going to run the country. But you asked about Robert Jenrick and I've got all these people I can explain.

Rupert Lowe by sort of way, you heard that he was saying how much he likes Robert Jenric. You found that video that came out recently praising these people. And don't forget all this stuff about Tory, I never voted Tories in my life. Don't forget that Rupert Lowe was also once a Tory. hand change. Many, many moons ago. Can I just come back with one small boy? What, 2019?

Which? Six years ago. Well, that was very different. He's only been in politics for six years. He's only been in politics for six years. I think I was what in 2019. But Rupert-Lo, I know we're going to speak more about Rupert Low later, but it is worth pointing out he was a member of the referendum party, which split away from the

Conservatives in the 1990s. So he did that very, very early. Who got us the referendum? Oh, no, indeed. Nigel has a great legacy in a lot of ways, and I do not question that. The last point I'd make is It's basically where did you draw the line Okay, so your line may be different to mine

My line is when you bring someone I don't care how much experience you've got When you bring someone into the party Who is literally responsible for rolling out a jab And taking away fundamental liberties I've got one more response for that But the jab, as I say There are mothers and fathers out there

that have lost their children You need to put yourself in their position What's your response to that kids here Because I want to move on to some issues Okay, so it's going back to you're saying, right, forget about experience, but actually a lot of people have looked at that rollout. Not me, not you, not Dan,

but there's a lot of people out there who took that vaccine and thought it was a great idea and they're very happy with their decision. And they look at this MP who's coming over from Conservative and they go, I like the look of that. That's good. That shows that reform, even more legit. That's not showing up in the polls.

Because all I have to, all I have to say, though, I know, but at this point, Keziah is talking about pure politics. Yeah. And all you have to look at is all of the, the recent polls since the defections of all of the Tories and Reform UK is down. But I do just want to take a break from talking about the pure politics. And let's talk about some issues because actually that is one of the most important things with Restore Britain. For example, Katie Hopkins, who has been very supportive of Reform UK, who endorsed Matt Goodwin and the Gorton and Dendon

by-election, who like me, voted for Reform UK at the last election, has always said, we've got to vote for reform holding our nose, knowing that they're not quite where we're at. And all of a sudden, we have some hope, right, with Restore Britain that maybe we don't have to vote for a party and hold our nose. And there are some fundamental differences that I think are really important to pick up on. So you mention young Bob and the debate that exploded. And a lot of it is around this idea of ethnicity, right? And Restore Britain are prepared to have a more honest conversation. and then Reform UK on what it means to be British, what it means to be English,

what Islamism really is. And I think it is worth just exploring that difference. Kesea, are you one of these people who say, actually restore Britain a verging on racist by saying it doesn't make you British just to have a British passport because your chairman, David Bull, immediately, the morning of the violence, election immediately turned on your candidate in that by election, Matt Goodwin, and said,

nope, that is not party policy in Reform UK. If you have a British passport, you are British. And Rupert Lowe says absolutely not. So I do think if you have a British passport, you are British. But that doesn't mean that you have-ethnically? No. Ethnically, this is an Anglo-Saxon, or Celt, Britain, kind of, it's, yeah, it's Anglo-Saxon stroke-Celt country, isn't it? Would you say that's fair enough? Yeah, yeah. But a question to you, because I did notice that you put something on X recently, which you said, to be British is about ancestry and lineage, not a passport. Question, the, let's say a black man goes into our armed forces.

Is he not British? You know, he's prepared to sacrifice his life for this country. Is he not British? Well, first of all. Not English. Not English lineage is just British. Let's remove, because I always think this is very important. Let's remove the black aspect, right?

Because if this was someone who's white from, I don't know, let's think of, I don't know, Hungary. I would say the same thing, or Switzerland. You're trying to turn it into a race issue. I couldn't care less about the colour of one's skin. I'm trying to find out where you sit on this. So it's not about skin colour. Not at all.

It's about lineage. It's about, well, I can really break that down, but I want to answer your specific question, which was if, let's say, somebody who's, let's think of a different country. I don't know. Someone from Bangladesh, let's say. If they were to fight in our armed forces,

are they, are they... And they have a British passport and they've lived here and they're born here. They're not British, okay. Even though they're prepared to sacrifice their life for you. Have you done that? No, of course, commendable. But it's not, I'm not...

When you turn around and say, oh, you're not English, for example, that's not a disrespectful thing to say. I'm not saying you're bad or worse than... I know you're not. You're just saying... I'm just calling a spade, spade, and I'm just saying...

I mean, kids here, if I went and lived in Japan and had lived in Japan for the past 20 years, and I had fought in the army for Japan, and I even had a Japanese passport, would I be Japanese? You'd be a Japanese citizen. Yeah, but would I be Japanese? You wouldn't be ethnically Japanese.

Right. So that's the difference. And I think what Restore Britain say, which is different to what Reform UK said, but you can argue the point if you think it's something different, I think what Restore Britain is say is not that if you're not ethnically British, you immediately have to be deported and that you're not part of the country.

country, but ethnicity does matter. It is part of the conversation. Can I ask, can I just do a bit of a deep dive on this? So what if someone's half Irish lineage, like a lot of them are? Like, I did a DNA test recently and I found out like, oh, where? It came up 19% Irish. Or Tommy Robinson is the example. What you're asking me? So would I still be British if I have that much Irish blood in me? Yeah. Yeah, because I believe, because I'm of the belief that this is the... So it's England and Ireland. Yeah. What about someone who's half French? Yes. Yeah, so I can easily answer this. So one of the most fundamental things about integration, if you ask me, is marriage. Okay, so let's say you're Japanese and you move to England, okay, and you marry an English woman. Your children, okay, they will have ties to our English lineage and that will be passed down. What if they don't have children? What if it's a couple get married and one is?

I wouldn't, still, I wouldn't, of course, wouldn't say that English. I would say that honorarily English. So I'll ask you a question. Honorarily English. If you married me... Hang on, hang on, I'll answer that again. But if you marry me, okay, and I've got a brother, is he your brother? Yes, technically he is, not by any sort of... He's my brother-in-law.

Right. No, that's a big difference to brother. No, this is the point I'm trying to make. So that's about marriage. So you're part of our community, you're part of our country, you're part of our tribe. What has been frustrating about this argument, though, for me, is that we have seen a real common-sense position

uniting the right on the trans extremism, right? So we were all able to agree and fight the mainstream media and fight the establishment that a trans woman, a man who identifies as a woman, is not a woman. And we were able to unite on that conversation. Yet now I see people within Reform UK and they're doing it as a sort of gotcha to restore Britain rather than making like a moral or scientific argument.

I didn't bring it up. I'm not saying you. I'm not saying you. I consider those black people who have lived here for three generations, Jewish people have lived here for three generations as British. Yes, you can question their loyalty to this country. I believe heavily in that, but I'm not going to sit there and say they're not British because they are British.

Yeah, as I say, if you come to, wouldn't you say it's concerning? Like if we look at Whitechap as a great example, you may have second generation migrants there who have all married within Whitechap in their own community and they have not integrated or married into our country. So you just see them as British citizens. Fair enough. I mean, I kind of agree with that.

Yes, they're British citizens. That's the point that was made that later Cunningham then called us neo-Nazis for making. Well, you won't hear me saying that. No, I appreciate that. But she's a senior figure within your party. I did explain your other show, maybe under pressure. She works incredibly hard. Honestly, I'm telling you that hand on heart, I see her at every single event.

She comes to our branch meetings. She's running off here, there, going on to question time to debate. Zach Polanski, who is our common enemy here. I'd like to talk about that at some point. What I see, though, what I see is Reform UK bending and dancing on these fundamental issues based on what is politically convenient. Because all of a sudden, Layla Cunningham went from saying herself on Good Morning Britain in an interview on that ITV show, I'm not ethnically British.

I'm ethically Egyptian. That would be in tune with what? that Charlie Downs is a neo-Nazi. Well, of course, but she said that, and then she changed her view because of Restore Britain. Anyway, the second key issue that we have to deal with, as I mentioned before, is Islamism. Because this is another significant break

between the two parties. Montgomery, Nigel Farage, has been very honest about the fact that it is just impossible to win a general election in this country without embracing Islam. Isn't that the right position? It goes back to the same thing I said before. It's about principle.

It's about putting the British people. Ultimately, we are a Christian country. Our roots are rooted, in Christianity. And that needs to be upheld. We are seeing inside of reform, Islam has some kind of a, well, it has an involvement. Let's face it.

I mean, we can agree on that. You know, you've got people representing reform which are... But Zia You're talking about Zia Yusuf. Mohamed, yeah, that's his real name. Okay, Mohammed Zia Yusuf. Interesting that he doesn't want to use that name publicly. So Zia Yusuf has been very outspoken about Islamism in this country. And he's put his head above the parapet because do you know, if you're a Muslim

and you speak out against Muslims or Islamists, whatever you want to call them, they get more death threats than you and I would. No, and I commend that. Okay, so he's really putting... himself out there to speak about something that we're all extremely concerned with. But no one has asked Zia Yusuf or Leila Cunningham about how their faith impacts their policies. Now, I have been desperate to have that conversation. They have refused to do it.

But are you not concerned about Takia, which is this concept that... The idea that you can lie in for the greater good. From what I can tell, from meeting them, speaking to them, they do not seem like religious Muslim. at all. They're not observant at all from what I understand. But I can't speak for what's in their heart? So can I just ask you? So would restore Britain have any Muslims

allowed in their party? If you're worried about Takia, for instance. I think, I'm not going to speak on that. As I said to you before, in the green room, like I'm a week into talking on behalf of the source. Is it unlikely, would you say? Is it what, sorry? Is it unlikely that you'll have any Muslim MPs or Muslim members?

So I tell you what it is? I think that it's very unlikely we're going to attract people. that will represent Restore Britain as Muslims. I think, for example, like the ban on halal slaughter, okay, that's... That's not going to go down well, yeah, exactly.

Right, exactly. So I would say that naturally we are basing... Well, well, and I think that's fine. I mean, the point is we don't believe in... Forget the religious element here. No, but let's forget about the... There's no strategy. Let's forget about the religious element in that.

I also come it from an angle... It's just an online protest is. Forget about the religious element of the slaughter because obviously that's key here. It's just against animal abuse. And hunting is also. Hunting's bad. So when you shoot the animal,

because I know my parents hunt, when you shoot the animal, they're left to bleed out slowly. That's cruel. Boiling lobsters alive, that's cruel. So it's not about animal cruelty. Let's be honest. You want to encourage people to remove themselves

from the country. You want to encourage it because a lot of Muslims and Jews and Jews will actually go and leave. Absolutely agree. Absolutely. So I'm not denying that. That's a core element. I'm just saying that people do also get fixated on the religious element

when there's also just an animal. Because you're talking about kosher food. Yes, kosher. It's the same thing, essentially. Yeah, it is. And it's nasty. And so is hunting. I lived next door to a chicken.

What do you think about hunting? I went shooting, not wasn't hunting, I went shooting very recently. And I'll tell you something else, which is. Rupert's a big hunter. Yeah, yeah. So it's not about animal cruelty. Because I know it's cruel because my family go hunting. Okay.

They used to go fox hunting. It's very cruel. cruel. So let's put that as like, can I put those shot his own dog so as not to be cruel. I don't think he's a cruel person, but what's happening is like you're using this argument. I think you should just be honest and say, we want these people to not feel welcome in this country, you want them to leave. And they'll want a great way to do it. It's to ban halalow slaughter. Okay. Can I ask you, what do you think then about outlawing male circumcision? Because the Muslims and the Jews practice that for religious reasons. Do you think that should be the

next thing banned? So I will talk from my personal. perspectives here because again this is not a conversation. It's genital mutilation. I would agree. So you'd ban that also. I think that circumcision of children is, I personally

believe that that should be out of jail. Okay. Do you think that Mr. All will do that eventually? I will happy to go and have that conversation and have that dialogue. But again, I just want to make it clear that I'm representing purely my opinion on that end there. I don't know about the party line on that front. But Ketia, do you

Do you believe that Reform UK are doing the right thing by putting Muslims right at the heart of the power at the party and making it clear that they believe that you need to gain a significant Muslim vote in order to gain power? Is that the right thing to do? They want a Muslim vote, but it's not going to, we all know where the Muslims are voting. They're voting for green and they're voting for Labor. So I believe that they're picking who they believe are the best people for the job. But also, yes, it does look good. Again, get out of Twitter bubble, look at the big world.

And people are looking at this going, oh, because they were saying for years, reform, and Nigel Farage was a racist, okay? They've been saying that for years. And now they see this party with an eclectic mix of different people from different backgrounds. He's actually not racist. Oh, all that, you know, that perception that I had of him before, you know, that's completely out the window now. I think that for Restore Britain, it will resonate with a small group of people very strongly, very strongly. But I think when people start listening to things

about banness and ban circumcision and all this, I think that's going to frighten a lot of average people. But do you think some of these policies are racist? Whose policies are racist? I haven't seen any that I think are racist. No, I'm not accusing anyone being racist. Do you mind if I just throw in, and again, this might come across quite strong, but this is how, it's genuinely my opinion. with is how you feel. See, this is about restore, it's about feelings. It's not about feelings and reform

are about rationality and strategy. That's fine. Okay. So I'm just going to say that through everything you've said, all of it sounds on paper, reasonable and I understand your perspective. I've got very good friends who are 100% in your boat and who are very against my position here and are coming at it from the angle of we've just got to win.

I'm not against your position. It's unworkable. Fine. That's your perspective. That's a big. That's huge. This is the point I wanted to make. essentially if you are going to vote for reform and endorse reform what you are endorsing

is within reform is as I reiterate a man who took away our fundamental rights and freedoms and jabbed children and pregnant women and lied to us and coerced us

and literally treated Sahari and treat well we are stuck on him well we are stuck on him because he should be back to him I thought

but I did give you my explanation and I'm saying your explanation of that wasn't adequate at all should we do okay so you want me to go further into that. I'm happy to do that.

I'll do the deep dive on every single question thrown at me. What I think is very clear here is that we do have a bit of divide in terms of heart versus head. Yes. Because there are people who believe that the UK is so broken that actually Nigel sort of, to use Elon Musk's phrase, weak source approach isn't going to cut it. And that is really fundamental. Now for the second part of our conversation, actually, who is more trustworthy?

Because you have these two significant leaders at the heart of this, Nigel Farage or Rupert Lowe, and they have absolutely divided the right. So a reminder that as our week of the clash continues, we are here with Reform campaign manager for Kensington and Chelsea Kesea Noble and founder of Freedom Watch GB, Montgomery, Tombs, who is a restore supporter. I want you to start this one one minute for you as to why Nigel Farage is more trustworthy, is the Prime Minister that we need over Rupert Lowe. Trust comes from consistency and he has been very consistent.

Voters know where he stands. He translates ideas into political major outcomes. He delivered us the referendum. I don't look at who's more trustworthy. I look at who's going to be a better leader and I can see the track record for Nigel Farage is very strong. Now, he has been under public national scrutiny. He's been investigated, debated, challenged for over 20 years. If there was any proof of dishonesty or corruption, it would be clear by now. And if you look at Rupert Lowe, he's been in the spotlight for

what, two years? Okay, he's been in politics for six years, which isn't very long, but he's been in the spotlight for one, two years, and he has not faced that national scrutiny. He's not been debated on such a national level. So let's see. how he copes under the pressure. Now, I'm sure you're going to bring up, yeah, but he kicked, he's not a trustworthy person because he kicked out Rupert Lowe. But we don't exactly know what was going on there, but I know that. Okay, times up. Okay, fair enough. Over to you, Montgomery. Yeah, I mean, why is Rupert Lowe more trustworthy than Nigel Farage? A minute. Well, I'll reiterate what I said at the beginning. You know, he is to the point, straight

talking and he's saying so many things that many people want represented, okay? And again, you may, you may, forgive me, sound like a broken record on this one. But when it comes, for example, COVID policy and justice for what happened back then. Farage doesn't want to talk about that. Farage doesn't want to investigate the attack on our fundamental rights and liberties, and he was complicit in supporting that with the COVID-19 jabs and mandates. And I think that is really fundamental, especially in my journey of fighting for freedom. It's not something I'm ever going to forget and restore and Rupert is very clearly what we'll speak out against that. My opinion is really simple. Farage, I would say, has done historically some, you've got to

commend Farage for being out on the boats looking and, and, uh, and, um, and, um, the illegal migration. You've got to commend him for that. The point is, okay, he's not going to take it far enough. We do need to reverse the mass illegal migration that we've, we have seen. And Rupert will talk about fundamental things that Frudge will not touch, and that's why we need Rupert. Okay, your minutes up. Kizier, let me, before you come in, let me just pick something up, because you use the word consistent in regards to Nigel Frudge. Now, I would actually challenge that, and I'm not an anti-Nigel person. I was a colleague with him at GV News. We were very close actually for that time

and I was a colleague with him at GB News. But I really am surprised that you describe him as consistent. I mean, let's look at his new approach to the NHS, for example, which he used to argue we could not afford as a country and that if you could afford to pay for it via insurance, you should. Now he's saying, no, no, no, it's going to be free at the point of use. So I don't think you can really say that Nigel Farage is a consistent politician. Well, ideas can evolve.

and then when you start looking into the minutiae of things, things can change. And also, a lot has changed since then. You know, every year there's things that are changing. We're getting more, more people into the country. That hasn't influenced over the decisions that we make about policies. But he's always been very consistent about immigration. Now, just to, I really want to make this point. He says that he wants more, well, in the past, no, because this is important.

Again, he has said very openly that he wants more immigration from country. like India. That's what he said in the past. Now, I don't think that would be a particularly political, a particularly, do you know what year that was by any charge?

Yeah, it was just before Brexit. Okay, perfect. So he probably at that point, again, this is my take. I'm not speaking directly for him. It's very important. You know, at that, we've had, I think it's now 1.2 million Indians come in.

At that time, just after Brexit, the idea, well, I don't think he wanted. The idea, well, I don't think he wanted that many and unskilled Indian workers. I don't think so. So at that time, I also said, yes, let's get a certain amount of workers from India who'd be working in certain areas of industry that we needed. And unfortunately, under the Boris wave, we've got like so many people flooding in who are unskilled. I do not believe that that was Nigel Farage what he wanted at the time.

He just didn't, what he wanted, as we know, we didn't want mass immigration from Europe. Now, what happened is the Conservative Party came along and absolutely destroyed that. And Montgomery. Who was in that conservative party? Rupert Lowe, by the way, not Nigel Farage. He was in 2019. Well, no, he wanted to, no, if you speak to Rupert Lowe about this. No, no, but if you speak to Rupert Lowe about this, he was running to be a Brexit Party MP.

And he was absolutely furious that Nigel Farage stood all the candidates down. So who were you going to vote for? It was Nigel who made the choice to take the Brexit party out of the discussion. He had faith that they would do a good job with it. But that was a huge mistake. But Montgomery, where you cannot question Farage is that without him, there would have been no Brexit. And he is completely correct in saying it was the Conservative Party that effed up its delivery, isn't he? So I do think Farage gets a lot of respect from Brexiteers.

Yeah, and again, like, look, I'll say this on camera right now. I was very young when Brexit came forward, but I was an avid remainer and thought, you know, I was in that sort of captured woke mindset of Farage. I mean, I was 12. Yeah, but you'd been taught. You'd been taught. He was basically a divil. He was devil incarnate.

Yeah. So I would say that actually Brexit and Farage, I've listened to before all, there was even a discussion of reform and all of that. You know, I would listen to Farage and think, oh, wow, that's really interesting. and he won me over on many things. So I'm not going to say that he's not got a good track record. I've already commended him as well. He's one of the first people out there actually on the boat saying,

look, we've got these boats coming in. He made this conversation palatable. That's really important. I don't deny that. But before that, we could not even say, I think there's too many immigrants. You couldn't go on a TV program. But he's made it palatable,

and he's opened the doors for this conversation. And I said that. I said that. I said that historically. I've said that historically that the Reform Party has been like a battle round. to open up conversations. Just because he's done that

doesn't mean we can just allow him to just make stupid decisions and do bad things. So can I go on to a point which is about... My first point that I made why I am voting for Reform UK is because they have a workable plan. Okay, they've got a plan that can be implemented

and cause seismic changes which you'll feel the benefits from very, very soon. But oh, no, no, it's not enough for reform. I think for Restore. But do you think, I can explain exactly. what they want to do, and I can compare it to what Restore want to do, which is unworkable. I can do it for you right now.

We're talking here about the personality, because that is a big part of both of these parties. You can't deny that. Come on. Reform is a bit of a personality cult behind Farage, and at this point, Restore is in terms of behind Rupert Lowe. So personalities is out of here. But a lot of people cares here. She was a strong leader. she was smart she made good decisions but in the end by the way

she made bad decisions she didn't get rid of people in her party who turned well i was about to say yes but he got rid of people her eyes under the bus did she constantly and look what happened to her and she was confident she wasn't scared all the time that someone was coming to stab her in the back and that's night just one of it's like nigel you should be confident why November 21st someone powerful comes along you end up falling out because that's what happens there is a big long line of this though incredible

people. November 21st, 1990, she was thrown under the bus because she wasn't so ruthless. I would just say one, because this point I was trying to make before and then we got a bit sidetracked. If you want to vote reform and back reform, fine. You have to accept that those that are in reform, you have to admit this and say, well, you're compromising on these facts. You're compromising on the fact that Adam Zahawi is in the party.

You're compromising on the fact that he's responsible for taking away our rights, attacking our liberties and jabbing children, etc. And harming people. Hang on, you're also compromising on the fact that generally. in the party instrumental in bringing in. Who Rupert Lowe liked. He said it on a video. He said, I think he's, can you play the video?

Can someone find the video in your studio? I know the video. I know the video. He's a good young Tory. I'm trying to make a point. I keep getting carved. So this is really, really fundamental. If you, as I say, I'll just reiterate

because I want to get this smoothy laid out. If you are going to back and vote for reform, you are accepting that you are backing ex-tories who failed this country, a man who took away an attack. attacked our fundamental rights. A man who brought in mass migration, you are endorsing what destroyed this country.

Now, if you want to do that, if that's your line of principle of that, that's how far you'll go with populism, that's cool. I'm not willing to do it. I will not compromise on the fact. I remember what it was like. I remember the letters I received saying,

you can go and take the jab. I remember the masks being put on children. I remember what he did to this. There is a huge and emotional. And hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on, please, please, please. and feelings. Please. It is emotional and it is also

very, very, very, very principled and I'm sorry, I'm not willing to compromise my principles to the extent you allow people like that in a party. They destroy this country. So why don't you vote for a party that just won't get in then? Great. Okay, can I talk a little bit about... So you're willing to compromise on that? That's fine. Okay,

if you're willing to compromise on that, that's cool. I do not want Labor and Conservative or the Green Party, God forbid, getting into power. So don't you agree with me that reform would be better than them? Of course. I think that we're Do you agree that? Do you agree that reform would be better than the Tories or Labour or the Green Party? Yes, they would be better.

But that doesn't mean that we should compromise. Can I go through how much better they would be? Because unlike Restore, Reform UK have a roadmap, okay? Restore has enthusiasm and it inspires clicks, but reform has a roadmap and it's going to deliver results. So can we talk about, for instance, deporting non-UK citizens? Okay, this is what Restore want to do. and it is heavily constrained by existing laws. Okay, even doing that, even non-UK citizens, it's incredibly difficult.

Yeah, but this is reform. This is reform all over. Wait, they're going to work with it. Can I please tell you? Please, can I tell you? No, I'm happy. Please. I will not interrupt.

Please, go for it. Please, I've got a list here, okay? Fine. Because I don't want to miss anything out. So we have to look at the legal feasibility in all this, okay? Reform UK have a structured program. Okay, they propose a step by step legal changes that can actually be implemented, within the law, they're going to repeal the Human Rights Act,

they're going to leave the ECHR, they're going to be changing the visa and settlement rules, they're going to be restricting benefits to British citizens only, they're going to scrap the indefinite leave to remain, and they're going to create a deportation agency. These are real changes that they can do, and you are going to fill the benefits of these changes on a seismic level. So the problem that I've...

These are huge changes. Everyone's sitting there going, it's not enough. It's not enough. That's huge. Well, Keziya, the... The problem is that Nigel Farage doesn't actually really believe in those policies. So I will never forget the, well, I will never forget the interview between him and Stephen Edgington on GB News. And this is when it changed for a lot of people, because there were two fundamental questions

in that interview that went viral, where Stephen Edgington asked him, do you believe in mass deportations? He just said, nope, not on the agenda. They are impossible. They are impossible. But then the more fundamental question, I think, was to say, Demography. Do you care about the changing demography of this country? And Farage said no. And that is a particular school of thought, by the way, amongst reformers. I'm not questioning it. I mean, Andrew Gold,

the podcast host who seems to be quite pro-reform, has specifically said that he believes that white people will become extinct. And that is a reality. That is a demographic reality. But there's a lot of people who are not prepared to accept that. I think a lot of them are reform voters. also that don't want to see these huge changes. But Nigel Farage doesn't care. Farage can't even... Everything is going to change when they get in. They will be...

Oh. There will be no more immigrants coming in. Yes, but you've got to give them a chance. Can't people just give them a chance? Because if they mess up, then, you know, Restore can come along and they can sweep up the votes. If reform mess up, you know what will happen. That's when you get the tit whisperer Zach Polanski's prime minister,

and it's too late. We only have one chance. No, it might not be. It might not be, actually. It could go the other way. They could go more right people. But it sounds like you don't have faith that Niger will be able to deliver this. He will, 100%.

I've just read out what they proposed to do, and it's going to have a seismic change. If Farage can't even have a conversation or define what it is to be English, okay? I think that's pretty, pretty paramount. The fact that we have this discussion as Restore is like, no, let's get to the nitty-gritty here, okay? Let's talk about lineage, just referencing our conversation right at the beginning. Let's talk about lineage and ancestry, and what that actually means. I actually think it's incredibly, incredibly insulting to our forefathers and our ancestors who fought for this country, die for this country, to just say, ah, well, you can rock up here whenever you want, we'll give you a passport, and if you're nice, polite, believe in democracy, and you have fish and chips on a Friday, you know, that makes you English.

Reform has not said they're going to do that. I've just read you out a list. No. Should we go through each one again? No, no, hang on. Forget that for one second. I'm happy to come back to that. I can come back to that.

I'm referencing. What's Restores list? What I'm referencing is... Worrying about where people's... What I'm referencing... I think that's really crucial, actually. I think that's fundamental to... Okay, so what do you want to do with all the black people here?

What do you want to do with the Indians here? The Indian... Why are we bringing... This is what happens. As soon as you have this conversation, you start ringing colour in. Who do you want to... No, you did. Who do you want to deport?

Fundamentally, I think that let's take... Because there's lots... Because we need to talk about this. Because immigration is the big one, isn't it? Okay, so Farage turns round and makes a speech, what was it, a couple weeks ago, where he turns around and says that he removed Rupert from the party because Rupert believes in deporting communities, all right?

Which can't be done. Right. Actually, what he's referencing is Rupert said, yeah, we should deport communities of rapists and paedophiles. Is that a controversial thing to say, illegal or legal? Yeah, they should be deported. But he said, she said, but we don't know if that's Rupert Lowe. Okay, we're just going on basically.

It's not what he said, she said. This is what he said publicly. Oh, he said? Yes. So, so. So Nigel Farage said this publicly to Rupert Lowe? No, no. So how do we know this is true?

No, no, because Farage. I can just break it down. Farage said that they keep they, that Rupert was kicked out of the party because of bullying in the workplace. And then you're saying then he had another reason. Sorry, yes. And then he comes down and turns around and says, oh yeah, well actually it's because you want to multiple.

It's probably for multiple reasons. It's like, hang on a minute. Yeah, yeah, we do want mass deportations. I want mass deportations. Of legal, of people who are here legally that are rapists. I want, I want mass deportations. Of the people who are here. Yes.

I would like to go as far. I would love reform to say that, please. No, but it can't be done. It can't be done. You have to change the whole constitution if you want to get this done. So what? We'll do it. We need a political rewrite and revolution in this country.

So if you rush constitutional changes, okay, without legal durability, okay, you're going to create every deportation will be challenged, okay? That's the result. And you'll create years of legal gridlock, legal paralysis. Nothing gets done. What reform, I keep going back to this, they have got things that are workable, easy to implement, So you'll see the shift straight away. You will fill those changes straight away.

Cool. And we will continue to see rapists and paedophiles who are here legally, who aren't English walking our streets. I'm not very happy with that. But you can't get rid of them. I wish I could. I'm like you. I'm frustrated as you are.

I want to, most reformed, do you think most reformed voters are saying, oh no, it's a lovely idea. These people should stay here. No, but when we turn around and say it, we get called ethno, sorry, not ethno-nationalists, we get called neo-Nazis for having this conversation. I've not said that to you.

I do not believe you're in, and actually, there's a lot. And actually, there's a lot of people in reform who vote reform who can understand your position. There's a lot of things that Restore say, which it's great on paper. It just isn't workable. And I think Restore have a lot of heart, as I said. They have a lot of heart, but they don't have strategy. It's just a protest vote, it seems like, online.

And it's just going to end up excluding the vote. And we're going to get more labor. We're going to get more, God forbid, we're going to get Greens. But I do think on the day before they go in, maybe they'll hold their nose. knows, but they're going to vote reform because they're going to stop being... It's not about feeling. It's about rationality. Kesea, though, to the question, which is about the trustworthiness, right, of our leaders. And you talk about splitting the vote on the right. And I hear this a lot from Reform UK.

But this is my argument. You created this Nigel. I'm really disappointed in Nigel for that. I mean, Nigel knows me. For example, he knows I'm not far right or extremist. but he has made supporting Reform UK for someone like me unpalatable. And he's done it on purpose, Kizia, because he has this strategy. And you can say it's the right strategy, fine. But the strategy is to alienate people on the right because he thinks that will make Reform UK more palatable to people on the centre. But what he has done is create actually this movement against Reform UK,

where Tommy Robinson supporters are branded that lot and not welcomed in the way. the party where Rupert Lowe is kicked out of the party for advocating for mass deportations, when Ben Habib, who was the former deputy leader of the party, is attacked constantly. So the argument that I'm making, Kizier, is that if the support on the right is split, you've only got to look at one person to blame, and that person is Nigel Farage. Before the last election, Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib were running as Reform U.K. candidates. Tommy Robinson endorsed Reform UK. Katie Hopkins endorsed Reform UK. I made it clear that I'd voted for Reform UK. We are the ones that have been thrust out of the party and treated like a

piece of shit since. Okay. So this is political strategy what we're talking about now. Yeah, so you don't want us. Just admit it. I do. I do. Well, Farage does it. Can I just, so we're not political strategist, us three. Okay. And we're all going through. You've made some fantastic points. But let's take the average person. They look at people like Tommy Robinson. This is not my view. They look at people, maybe even like you and go,

these people are far right, right wing Nazis to say all this, like they used to say about Nigel Farage. Like they're still saying about you. So can I, yes, but people are now, like even last year, I'll give you a personal anecdote. My family on one side are Lib Dem for heaven's sake. And when I told them that I was voting, voting reform, they recoiled. They said, don't talk about this with us.

He's a vile man. He's a racist. He's linked to all these people like Tommy Robinson. And now, guess what? One of them is saying, you know what? I actually think I'm going to vote for reform because they're not as racist as I thought they were. They have sort of separated themselves from this movement, which I don't think is a racist movement. But with looking at it, again, in our bubble, they look at people like Tommy Robinson.

And they clutch their pearls and shock. And they say, can't believe someone like this. endorsing this party. So he's playing a very smart game here. I know it feels bad. Like, oh, we were supporting you at the beginning, Nige. And now we've just been casted out. But he's got to win an election.

He's got to win an election. And he has to appeal to these average people who don't get past the first, you know, five lines of an article who just say, okay, he's not so linked to far right extremism anymore. He's more, as you said, palatable. You actually did kind of break down and explain what his political strategy is here. Yeah, so you don't want people like us as part of Reform UK. I do, but he's playing.

I'm not the one who's in charge of, you know, trying to get votes to come in. He is. And he's trying to go to a broader audience. We need those numbers in. We need those numbers in. Okay, fine. But you need to stop moaning about the vote on the right being divided. Because I think Montgomery, the point about Restore Britain, right, is that there are a whole load

of us who are not prepared to make those compromises who believe that there's no reason we can't have a Trump-style leader come in and actually genuinely change things. And it comes down, I think, to one phrase, and that's anti-establishment. And I think in the past, Nigel Farage used to argue that he's anti-establishment, but actually I would argue Nigel is the establishment now. He's backed by the mainstream media on the right very much. He has Robert Jenrick literally texting policy now to George Osborne for approval. Yes. No, so I do think Fraud's is becoming part of established. I do believe that reform initially started out

as anti-establishment. I don't deny that was the initial motivation. But that's changed. You're absolutely right. Power corrupts, doesn't it? Because all of these people can see reforming UK getting into power. Power and money. And that is not what we need.

We need principled politics. We do not need this sort of flip-floppy, wishy-washy, okay, well, we'll make these compromise about these people because we'll win an election. It's like, no, that's what got us into this mess. And I'm not willing to repeat that. But what are your policies? I still don't.

apart from banning kosher halau, what are the other policies? Oh, there are constant policies. I want to know, can I hear some of them? Or referendum on the death penalty? I mean, I'm not speaking on behalf of Restore Britain, but I see policies that are being posted all the time. So, for example, there's going to be, referendum on the death penalty.

There's going to be a complete overturning of all of the COVID laws, including giving back people who were, like, wrongly fined or in prison. No, no, no, no. As in the people, so there will be, sorry, UXU.S. you're explaining. So for people, for example, like, you mentioned you went on some of the COVID protests back in the day. I know people that have it on record that they broke the law and they've been, were fined for being outside.

Right, I understand. So that will be reversed. So that will be refunded. There'll be full. And also there will be a public apology. What about immigration? What, what, that's a big question. Oh, there's a whole mass deportation.

We've got the most comprehensive mass deportation policy. I contribute to it. And also. How workable is it? You have to change the constitution, correct? Well, how work? You know that takes up. to a decade to do.

Well, I'll be very interested to, as I say, I'm going to repeat because I think I've held my own all right considering I've only been kicking around internally inside the store for about just under a fortnight now. But I'm actually at home reading through the deportation policy. And I will take on board everything you've said. And I'll have that conversation else. But you need a structured program. I believe it is workable.

You need a structured program or a set of changes that at least acknowledge the need to navigate legal barriers. methodically. I don't disagree that you need structured methodical chain. I don't deny that. And I put trust and faith that the people that have contributed to that deportation document are well in the note of what needs to be done. I haven't read it here.

I haven't read some. I have read some. Go away. How much experience do they have the people that put it together? How much do they know about constitutional law? Because it's brilliant. It's brilliant. Okay.

But there is another real fundamental policy difference. And this only can. came out quite recently, actually, after the attack on Iran by Donald Trump. And this will surprise a lot of people because it was where Restore Britain was actually aligned with the Green Party and Zach Polansky because Rupert Lowe was very, very clear that there should not be any British involvement in the attack on Iran, whereas Nigel Farage said that Stama was wrong to go ahead and be. block Trump from using our bases, for example.

So there is a big foreign policy difference. Montgomery, would you describe it as an isolationist policy? Well, I would just describe it is I've always been, when it comes to all foreign conflicts and engaging in foreign affairs, I've always been what, it's basically not hard, what benefits Britain? And at the moment, having Iran gone. That's fine.

Or we could just, or, or, or we can. 20 terror attacks. 20 terror attacks which are funded by Iran, by the Iranian regime, were discovered from 2022. No, that's, look, I don't deny, okay, so don't get me wrong. I'm not turning around here and saying that Iran's great and we should just leave it. I'm not saying that. The regime in Iran is grim, so I don't refute that and that it has a very negative influence on the West. Funding terrorism fee for 40 years.

However, I just feel where our energy should be positioned is dealing with what's actually in our country now. You can do both. You can do both. Well, why should we do both? Because we've done it for millennia. And we shouldn't. And we shouldn't. So that's a she coat with Falklands War and creating a fantastically strong economy.

We are in a position where we can't even fill. We've got councils which are literally like bankrupt. This is not a party for government. We can't even fill a pothole, let alone start sending money over. Wait, hold on. No, no, no. Again, this is emotional. So you're talking about potholes.

And you're saying, look, this was, okay. So reform believes in standing. with our strong democratic allies, okay? And you're saying to me, no, we shouldn't do that because we've got potholes to fill. No, you're, you're striking about what I've said. Would reform put boots on the ground in Ukraine? They didn't, did they?

They didn't say that they wanted to. No, no, but would they? I wouldn't like to support that because I don't think you, I don't think, I think Iran is a bigger, I think Iran is a bigger threat to us. I think Iran is a serious threat to the world. And I think we should stand with our allies,

such as the U.S. say, I think that was a bad mistake from Rupert Lowe to not side with him and to say, oh, it's because we've got problems here. Of course, we've got huge problems in this country. But hold on, do you know who Margaret Thatcher is? Because I know you're quite young. I'm really kidding with you. So Margaret Thatcher, she had, she ran something called the Falklands War. Whilst looking after the country, she didn't say, no, we're not going to get involved in this war because we've got potholes and because we've got this and that and other things that need our attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the situation back then versus what we're dealing with now is very, very

different. And I would just say, my analogy would be to end all of this, when a plane is crashing and burning, what is the first thing you do? You put your oxygen mask on before you put it on your child. And that there is exactly what we need to do. We are crashing and burning and we need to put our own oxygen mask on before we can consider helping

anybody else. Our country is crumbling and our priority must be Britain. You just need a stronger plan. That's all that can work. Well, brilliant debate. Absolutely loved that. Kesea and Noble representing Reform UK. And Montgomery Tom's representing Restore Britain.

He is new to the party, but fascinating stuff. Which side are you on? Let me know. And we will continue this debate in the weeks and months to come. At least we have it here because I know we didn't talk about it today, but at GBM News and Talk TV, they'd sort of pretend that Restore Britain doesn't even exist most of the time. We're moving over to Substack now, though, for the Royal Uncanceled After Show. Please join us there, www.

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