Dan Wootton Outspoken - RUPERT LOWE SPEAKS OUT AFTER BEING CLEARED AS BOMBSHELL CCTV POLICE RAID FOOTAGE REVEALED

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

VERSO - https://evening.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. FREE LUCY CONNOLLY CROWD FUNDER: https://democracythree.org/helplucyconnolly Rupert Lowe has been clear...ed and completely exonerated after the woke lawfare weaponised against him by the Chairman of his former party Reform UK, plunging the party into a prolonged civil war. The Great Yarmouth MP is standing by to speak out for the first time since yesterday’s decision in an Outspoken exclusive interview. Dan will also reveal the bombshell footage of the police raid on Rupert’s farmhouse and show how GB News is covering up Rupert’s massive win and Reform’s turmoil at the behest of Nigel Farage. PLUS: Dan was at the Royal Courts of Justice today and will reveal the inside story of Lucy Connolly’s appeal hearing. AND: The last Greatest Briton and Union Jackass of the week revealed. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: In the sequel to Megxit, which I revealed in January 2020, The Sun has the follow up: Beckxit with the two most toxic couples in the world - Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, and Nicola Peltz and Brooklyn Beckham - now teaming up. Royal YouTube sensation P-Dina will join is for the latest. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Dan Moulton, this is Outspoken, live episode number 227 with no spin, no bias and no censorship. Breaking right now, Rupert Lowe has been cleared and completely exonerated after the woke lawfare weaponised against him by the chairman of his former party Reform UK plunged that organisation into a prolonged civil war. So the great Yarmouth MP is standing by to speak out for the first time live since yesterday's decision we will hear from him imminently. In my digest, I'm also going to reveal the bombshell footage of the police raid on Rupert's house, and I'll show you how GB News is covering up Rupert's massive win and reform's turmoil at the behest of Nigel Farage. Also coming up on the show today,
Starting point is 00:00:54 I am just back from the Royal Courts of Justice, where the Court of Appeal was hearing the Lucy Connolly case. Now, you'll remember Lucy Connolly is the housewife, the mother, sent to prison for over two years for a singular tweet. I spoke to her before today's hearing. I was in court. I'm going to give you the inside story and reveal what decision was made later in the show. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack and the sequel to Megxit, which I revealed in January 2020, the sun has followed up with Bexit. With the two most toxic couples in the world, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry and Nicola Peltz and Brooklyn Beckham now teaming up, Royal YouTube sensation P. Diner will join us for all of the latest. That's on Substack, www.outspoken.live
Starting point is 00:01:46 after the main show. It's also the final Greatest Britain Union Jackass of the week before overnight. We take our votes for the worst Britain in the world this week. Today's nominees, as chosen by you, Lindsay Hoyle, nominated by Barnack1 because he loves his freebies as more reports show his ridiculous gifts such as champagne, cat food and more expensive alcohol. Meghan Markle, nominated by Melwell3 who has a simple message. Dear Meghan, the power of silence. Just shut up. fleet. Nominated by AK10873 for focusing too much on suppression of Tommy Robinson's voice rather than making sure her prison guards are safe, one had their throat slashed yesterday. So get voting. You can do so within the live chat on YouTube. I'll bring you the results
Starting point is 00:02:36 at the end of the show. But now, let's go. so it's 9 30 p.m on a quiet friday night and three police cars filled with armed officers are careering up to a gloucestershire farmhouse so urgent are they on this mission they break through the gate to get inside now surely, surely, given our cops are unable to respond to even violent burglaries and muggings these days, they're trying to stop a serious crime at the home of great Yarmouth MP Rupert Lowe. Well, if only. Because look at these pictures, never before seen, from inside the raid, where they seize the weapons of this 67-year-old man. They actually put them in that wheelbarrow. A 67-year-old man, by the way, with a blemish-free criminal record. He had offered to arrange a reasonable time to do this weapons seizure with cooperation,
Starting point is 00:03:40 and so this raid was all so unnecessary. Two hours later, with the violation complete, the cops, all of them, armed, drive off into the night at 11.15pm. And why this matters, and why I wanted to show it to you today, is because this is the real world consequence of lawfare against those of us with views that resonate with the vast majority of the population like mass deportation. But what's so shocking, and as I have reported for many weeks now, this case that Rupert was facing, the weaponisation of our police and justice system, it was all happening because of his own side. He had been reported to the cops by the chairman of his party, Zia Yusuf, for hurty words, just weeks after he was endorsed to lead
Starting point is 00:04:34 the party by Elon Musk, and just days after he offered some, let's be honest, very mild criticism of the party leader, Nigel Farage, in the Daily Mail. This week, yesterday in fact, his two-month nightmare came to an end. The CPS dropped all charges. There was no case to answer, there never was. But hundreds of hours of police time and resources has been wasted. And despite those within reform asking him to go quietly, Rupert has decided this disgraceful case marks the real beginning of his political career, certainly not the end.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Here's how his statement waging war on Nigel Farage was covered yesterday morning on GB News. That's just charisma. I'm just going to have to stop you there because we have got a response from Rupert Lowe to read. The Metropolitan Police have today confirmed that they are dropping their investigation into the false allegations that I made threats
Starting point is 00:05:37 against the Reform Party chairman. This was not normal political infighting. It was a sinister attempt to weaponise the criminal justice system against me, putting not just my political future but my liberty at risk, all because I dared to raise constructive criticisms of Nigel Farage, stood firm on deporting illegal migrants and pushed for reform to be run democratically, not as a vehicle to throw one man's ego. Wow. No, still going. How did reform respond? With a brutal smear campaign for the sin of asking legitimate questions
Starting point is 00:06:05 about the party's direction, policies and leadership? I was vilified and targeted. I'm ashamed to have shared a parliamentary platform with them, ashamed to have trusted them, ashamed to have called them friends. What? And it goes on. He says Farage is no leader. He's a coward and a viper.
Starting point is 00:06:20 I feel deeply embarrassed to have ever thought he was the man to lead. A viper? Gracious me. Other opinions are available. That is quite the response. I mean, that's civil war inside Britain's newest political party, isn't it? That's civil war. That will make headlines,
Starting point is 00:06:34 there'll be huge stories in the newspaper tomorrow. Unbelievable, Stephen. He actually used the word viper. Well, I think the key thing that's happening here is this has now got legs, unlike vipers. This is going to run and run. We're going to see this in the courts. So all four of the people inside that studio at GB News, when the news came in, understood that this was a major story of consequence.
Starting point is 00:06:58 But something very peculiar happened after that. GB News stopped covering the story immediately after that in all of its shows. Indeed, when Reform's chief whip, Lee Anderson, entered the GB News studio at four o'clock for an interview with his BFF, Martin Daubney, there was not one mention of the charges being dropped. Matt Goodwin didn't mention a word about it either. No primetime host did last night at all. Instead, they continued to offer coverage of reform's poll surge. Public, and we are witnessing now, as a consequence of this refusal on the part of Westminster to listen to the forgotten majority, a new political revolt, the likes of which we've never really seen
Starting point is 00:07:43 since the rise of the Labour Party in the early 20th century. The rise of reform represents the most significant assault on the two-party system since the rise of the Labour movement. And that might be true. But to simply ignore Rupert Lowe being cleared is not doing your due diligence as journalists. And I'm going to tell you why it happened as well. It happened at the behest of Nigel Farage, who has put his station on notice that he simply will not tolerate any negative coverage of the reform UK civil war. He will
Starting point is 00:08:21 not tolerate Rupert Lowe being covered as a force in politics whatsoever. But here's my problem. We need honesty in our right-wing media ecosystem, and pretending that Zia Youssef has not used the dastardly tactics of the woke left to try and silence and destroy his own best-performing MP is intellectually dishonest. I actually would argue to Reform UK supporters who don't like that, that won't help you in the long run. And I mean, the silence on GB News is particularly astonishing given the Conservative Party have used Rupert's statement on its own ex-account, meaning this is very much a political story. There's the quote. Farage is a coward and a viper. Reform's new fifth MP, Sarah Pochin, was asked about the story by the British Bashing Corporation last night.
Starting point is 00:09:14 He also said, he warned the country that Nigel Farage must never be prime minister. That's a heck of a warning to voters, isn't it? Well, as I say, look what's happened in these recent elections. We've got 677 councillors elected. We have control of 10 councils now. We had a historic win in Runcorn and Helsby. And we have effectively, I've now replaced Rufalo, we're back up to five MPs. And we've had two mayoral elections. So a huge night for reform. No one can take that away from reform. So I really think this is white noise around what is a huge energetic movementcalled online right, now led by Rupert Lowe,
Starting point is 00:10:06 has completely changed the policy discussion in this country on immigration, on mass deportations, forcing this humiliating U-turn from Keir Starmer, and also a changed policy position from the Conservatives and Reform UK? Reform's leadership, though, have decided that their position is to deride Rupert as a man who should be forgotten and silenced by people like me. Isabel Oakeshott posted on X last night, I know the dying Tory party wishes it were true, but there is no row engulfing reform. There is one embittered X member making a lot of noise. I think we've seen that voters don't care. And her partner, the party's deputy
Starting point is 00:10:45 leader, Richard Tice, pushed that narrative during an appearance on Times Radio. The CPS have decided there was not sufficient evidence to carry out a prosecution. But look, that situation, frankly, it's done and dusted. And we've had an election in the interim. And despite all of the things that he has said, the voters voted very clearly with their with their ballot papers massively in favour of reform. And, you know, frankly, that is insufficient chip paper. It's old news. We're moving on. We're soaring in the polls. And frankly, if you went around most of the country and stopped people on the high street, they would say, Rupert who? But the grassroots of reform hate that approach. They remain horrified.
Starting point is 00:11:32 World by Wolf summed it up on X, writing the Farage cult say Rupert Lowe should get over it and back reform. Nigel Farage and Zia Youssef tried to take away his freedom and send him to prison. Then they ran a dementia smear campaign against him. That's not just political rough and tumble, it's criminal behaviour. And those people hope it's Rupert, not Nigel, who will lead the much-needed British political revolution.
Starting point is 00:11:57 As Scott Lewis of the Great British Pack noted poetically, it's not the Tory party you should be worried about. It's Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib. Two men who didn't pander, don't flinch and don't bow to the machine. They don't dance around the truth. And that's exactly why reform tried to silence one and sideline the other. That smear campaign right out of the establishment's playbook. Yes, reform are doing well, but don't get comfortable. They're not loyal. They're trapped. The only reason they stay is because they think there's no alternative. That illusion is about to be shattered. Reform's most popular MP is the man you tried to bury because he wouldn't bend the knee. Farage will. You all will. That's why your tank is rolling left while your base is burning
Starting point is 00:12:47 right. What's coming isn't a row, it's a reckoning. You haven't lost vote to the Tories, you're about to lose them to truth. And his name is Rupert Lowe. And Rupert speaks for the first time now live since being cleared. So, Rupert, wow, a lot to pick up on there. But first, can you just tell me what was going on during that police raid at your home? It seems astonishing that they sent three cop cars, broke down the fence, a whole load of armed officers. Isn't this why the police in this country is in trouble, the fact that they focus on this rather than real criminals? Well, let me first of all say, Dan, that was a hell of an introduction,
Starting point is 00:13:36 so thank you for that. I enjoyed that very much. They didn't break the fence down. They managed to get the gate number from Fergal O'Brien's grooms who were coming in, but they hadn't called me and they hadn't warned me. So I did point out to them that technically they were trespassing. They said they tried to call me,
Starting point is 00:13:55 but there was no missed call. Now, it did follow, as you quite rightly say, it followed a call I had with the Gloucestershire police the day before, where I agreed I would voluntarily use my best endeavours to find a suitable licence. Oh, sorry, we've just lost you, Rupert. We'll just come back to you. I think it's because we're playing that footage,
Starting point is 00:14:19 but actually we'll just come back to you now, Rupert. Are you there, Dan? We've got you now. You there now? Yeah. So I had agreed the day before with Gloucestershire Police I would voluntarily find a home for my guns with a suitable licence holder who needed to have a firearm certificate and a shotgun certificate
Starting point is 00:14:35 and the correct storage facilities. I did agree that the day before. That was minted by my secretary who took a note of the call. As you quite rightly say, the three vehicles, four armed police, two guns apiece, body armor, cameras, the whole lot pitched up unannounced after I'd been in the Royal Box at Cheltenham on the Friday. At 9.30, the dogs went bonkers. And there they were. They got, as I say, through the gates by getting one of the girls from Fogel O'Brien Stables to open the gates.
Starting point is 00:15:09 And they were there till actually, it was actually quarter to 12, something like 20 to 12. I think the CCTV footage shows that. And they collected all of my guns and they collected my ammunition. And Rupert, this is because what? They thought that it was a serious threat, that you might go and shoot Zia Youssef? Well, on the Thursday, the police, and look, as you quite rightly said,
Starting point is 00:15:36 I've got an unblemished record. I've had guns all my life. I do shoot and it's one of my hobbies. So I literally have an unblemished 67-year record and suddenly they thought it was necessary to send four-armed police. Me having agreed a course of action with them the day before, I said to them, I'm not only a pensioner, I'm 67, I've got a clean record and I'm an MP.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Did you really need to turn up mob-handed? Haven't you got better things to do? If you'd called me up, I'd have willingly handed the guns over to you the following morning. But he said, nothing to do with me, Gov, and as usual in Britain, Dan, it's not necessarily the people on the front line that are bad news. I think often they're frustrated by the orders they're given from their seniors. It's usually the head of the beast that's rotten,
Starting point is 00:16:29 and I suspect that in this case it was from the Met that the escalation came. I think we all know who's in charge of the Metropolitan Police Force, and ultimately, you know, I think it was, in my view, a knee-jerk reaction. I like to think we live in a country where you're innocent until you're proven guilty, and this was all on the basis of two, well, I don't even know how many, but I was told in the interview with the police, I'd never had an interview with the police before,
Starting point is 00:17:01 on the following Monday at Hammersmith Police Station, that they wouldn't show us the statements that had been made. So I'm still not entirely clear what I was accused of. Well, they said multiple people made statements. So presumably that means more than you and you said. I was aware of two. I was aware of two, made aware of two at the interview. Who were they from?
Starting point is 00:17:21 One from Lee Anderson, who from the questioning was suggesting i was going around parliament saying i was um a good shot and i was going to shoot zia yusuf which is maybe why the police uh uh decided it was right to take my guns away um and from the questioning i think i was accused by zia yusuf of standing over him and threatening him. Now, we did have a robust conversation. The WhatsApp chain which followed wouldn't have supported and didn't support what he said. I don't know what other witness statements they got, but they must have got some supportive statements because I think clearly there wasn't any evidence. And I can tell you, it didn't worry me because I know I didn't do anything that justified the approach that was taken.
Starting point is 00:18:08 So can I just be... Anybody with any common sense, Dan, could see that this was a bungled attempt at political assassination. And if you combine it with the vile accusation that I had early on, which I think you were quite clear was a message that was being spread. And you also commingle that with this accusation of bullying within the office, which is also piffle. You can see a sort of smear campaign, which they hoped would gather momentum. But I have to tell you, the majority of people in Parliament, I think, thought it was laughable. And actually, they've all been extremely supportive and very kind.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And that kindness and belief in me has been borne out in the result, which came through yesterday at 11 o'clock when I was offshore Great Yarmouth looking at RWB's offshore wind farm. So, look, I mean... Must have been a bit gritty. Can I just clarify, though, about the police, though? Because are you saying that Lee Anderson and Zia Youssef have lied to the police?
Starting point is 00:19:19 I haven't seen their statements, but from the questioning, I think they have made false statements. And in my opinion, they've wasted police time. Now, whether the police will do anything about that, I don't know. I personally think we do need to now raise this in Parliament, which I intend to do, because I don't know how many other people have suffered on the basis of false statements, which the police haven't sufficiently challenged.
Starting point is 00:19:54 And the problem is when somebody makes a statement, the police don't necessarily analyse the validity of that statement before they take action against the individual. That statement is considered to be, according to my law, as evidence. So even though I was in the room with zia on one-on-one and lee's view of life was completely subjective and bears absolutely no resemblance to reality i think you know i i genuinely think look uh this was a an attempt of political assassination the other thing the police did was of course leak my leak my name, which they shouldn't do. And if you read the guidance, the police should keep both the investigation and any escalation to the CPS, which I understand is quite normal for an MP. That should all be kept private. So this should never have been made public,
Starting point is 00:20:38 because once the case is dropped, then there's no necessity for it to be made public. Obviously, if somebody's charged, then there's a necessity. Now to be made public obviously if somebody's charged then there's a necessity now had i been charged and i'm sure there are people in this country who do get charged unfairly correct uh and lawfare is used against them because i think as tastas said in a world of i think he said the more laws the more corrupt the state uh and i think we've got to that stage dan so whether it's the tax manual at 21 and a half thousand pages or or any aspect of if you like regulation uh licensing or the generally oppressive nature of the state there are so many loose ends that if you want to man mark somebody you can find a way of doing that because probably in our daily lives all of us break one law one regulation one
Starting point is 00:21:26 license or we do something which if the state wants to pursue lawfare against you they're capable of doing which is i think why tacitus said what he said so um look i i i really think this is a vile example of political man marking. I don't think MPs should be doing this to each other. I don't think parties should be doing this to their members. And are you still intending to sue Nigel Farage? I've issued a 16 page letter before action to reform to to Zia Youssef and to Lee Anderson, which requires, explains why, but it requires an apology and it requires my legal costs to be paid. If that doesn't happen, then I will issue proceedings and we will go to the High Court for libel and defamation. So look, this has been a bungled attempt at political assassination.
Starting point is 00:22:29 If it goes to court, it will come out in the public domain, because, as you know, court proceedings are public. And look, you've just been to Lucy Connolly's appeal. And I frankly think the way Lucy Connolly has been treated is disgusting. And I think in a country where we're supposed to be able to express ourselves and and say whatever we want even if it upsets a few people which i think is absolutely essential in a functioning democracy why would you send somebody like lucy connolly to prison when we have illegal migrants entering the country and living here illegally against whom we take no action and we also have multiple examples of rape gangs which have been operating across many countries many counties and towns in britain
Starting point is 00:23:15 allied to county lines drug dealing and a lot of those people have not been brought to book. And I know of a number of instances where files have been handed to the police with a cut and dried case of whether it's fraud or whatever. And if they don't want to pursue it, they don't bother. So they're able to be extremely subjective about how they deal with these things. And I think I'm right in saying the man who runs the CPSA, Jack Robinson, again, quite close to the organs of the state and Keir Starmer and Mr. Herman and various other people. So, look, I think, Dan, this is a conversation which needs to be had in Parliament. And I think we need to get at why people in britain are being denied the right of free speech why they're being denied uh a number of what i would call freedoms which
Starting point is 00:24:12 we know lawfare is only against people on our side of politics rupert no one is going and by the way i'm not suggesting it but no one is going to arrest gary liniker for his anti-semitic tweet uh instagram post for example. But look, Rupert, what I want to do, because a lot... I certainly agree, Dan. The left is far more intolerant of our view than we are of theirs. And we're not asking for them to be arrested. We're just asking for us not to be arrested.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Let us have our free speech. Now, Rupert, a lot of people have said a lot of things over the past few weeks. You have obviously been pretty much silenced because of the fact that this police investigation has been ongoing. So I just want to give you a chance to respond. Nigel Farage had this to say on GB News. Just a few weeks ago, Nigel, with all of the furore around Rupert Lowe, people were saying, this is it. This is going to be this isn't just a dent, this is it, this is going to be... This isn't just a dent in the Reform Party,
Starting point is 00:25:07 this is going to destroy the Reform Party. And over the weekend, people were saying, Rupert who? It doesn't appear to have made any sort of impact, despite the best efforts of Andrew Pearce with his journalistic expertise. Even though I work here, I'm going to be critical of GB News. GB News covered this story obsessively, as if it was some huge story. It's all his fault. And it was never a huge story.
Starting point is 00:25:26 It was one person who had increasingly been heading in a different direction from us. And your mate, your chairman, made it a big story by calling in the police. Well, he did do that. Do you think that was a good idea? I'm going to challenge you. I'll pass on that.
Starting point is 00:25:40 There we are. I'll pass on that. It was a bizarre decision for Zia Youssef to call in the police. But, you know, it's only ever going to be one person. And the upshot of it, what it really tells you is that X is not the real world. Correct. Twitter as it was, no.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Twitter as it was is not the real world. So, yeah, you know, when you get problems in life, the best thing is to confront them. Would you have him back now in the party? I don't think so. Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben? Over my dead body. Well, he wrote a piece saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it?
Starting point is 00:26:12 I mean, I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people... Say what you think, Nigel. ..who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are. Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't mind people sounding off. So small and significant nothing. And then later on in that interview, Rupert, he also linked you to Tommy Robinson and the so-called alt-right. This is his, Dan. I've been asked about this a number of times today. This is their new tactic to try and suggest, and I think they were doing it at some fundraising lunch they had last week,
Starting point is 00:26:56 so I was told. But look, I mean, that interview that Nigel gave, I thought smacked of arrogance. It smacked of sort of the cultist that he is. And it smacked of him believing that he is in a different sort of universe to the rest of the people. And I think that goes arguably to the disagreement I had with him, because I think to run a successful political party or business or anything else, you have to devolve power, not aggregate power. And Nigel is aggregating power. The people who work for him are largely sycophants. And as I've said in the past, their idea of policymaking is a pint in the pub in the Marquess of Granby, followed by a press conference the following day. So, I mean, that's not my view of how we're going to change Britain. And as I said to Nigel, winning the election is only half the equation. We need to
Starting point is 00:27:55 deliver for the British people. We can't just raise their hopes with a series of speeches around the country. And look, one of his strengths is he does speak extremely well. And he speaks very convincingly. But I think it's all very well to say something, I have an expression, you know, watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying. And my problem, Dan, was that there wasn't enough happening with the hands. There was a lot happening with the mouth. Power was aggregating around Nigel. It was the cult of Nigel. There was no shadow cabinet, no policy, no plan, no structure.
Starting point is 00:28:35 And I think we would have failed, or he will fail to deliver if ever he comes prime minister, which I hope now and believe he shouldn't. And I think if he weaponises the British state, if he did become prime minister and used it against people in the way that he's used some vile sort of attempt of political assassination against me, it will be a very, very dangerous place to be. So, look, I have nothing personal against him. I don't think they've behaved well. In answer to him being asked whether I would come, whether he'd want me back in reform, that's not an issue because I can't work with bad people.
Starting point is 00:29:21 And I've now, you know, you can't build anything with bad people. So you wouldn't go back? Actually, before I ask about that, let me show you know you can't build anything with bad people and i know go back actually before i ask about that let me show you what the answer is the answer is dan i will with nigel as leader i will i will not go back to reform but if nigel is not leading you i think nigel is a i think he's he's he's not an inclusive human i think he's arrogant and i think he is uh clearly prepared to use whatever tactics he can to remove people who are doing their best to you know to help him and i think he's done that to stephen wolf he's done that to kilroy silk he's done that to ben habib there's a whole trail of people who've been uh loyal to him who he's effectively decided
Starting point is 00:30:06 he doesn't want near him and he's taken them out so i politically that is so i i i look no so i i had the same view when i was in football you can't build a successful football team with bad people you can't build a successful company with bad people what you need is to devolve power and you need to bring in able people in and you need to give people control of their destiny and that if that in politics means you have to appoint a shadow cabinet and devolve power that's how i think you do it so i i i i thought in your introduction you're right I mean, it's only going to be strong people with a vision who are prepared to repeal most of the malign legislation that's been passed by Blair, Cameron, and a bunch of sort of what I call people who were more interested in selecting their MPs on
Starting point is 00:30:59 the basis of quotas than on merit. And I'm a great believer in merit. I don't really have any issue. It has to be on merit. Everything has to be on merit and merit alone. So you're going to need some strong principled people to deliver the changes necessary. Well, I was going to ask about this, Rupert, because you were pictured meeting with Liz Truss, and I've spoken to people close to her who confirmed that meeting was a positive one. Would you consider working with her, for example, on a new vehicle? Because she's totally on board with you about the need for a great repeal act. Well, I think a number of people are, Dan. And I think what we've got to do is try and unite those people who've got a clear vision of what needs to happen
Starting point is 00:31:42 and who are altruistic enough to try and deliver that, not just for their own personal benefit, but for the good of the people of the country who ultimately are great people. They're very tolerant people. But I think what they've shown and what the form vote in answer to Sarah Potts, who, by the way, in her maiden speech said she was glad that her colleagues had been able to drag themselves out of the pub. That was her first line of her maiden speech, which I thought was quite entertaining. I've always worked on the basis that many are true words spoken in jest. And that was an interesting one for me. But so I think their success in the local elections, which she talked about, was as a result of people's desire for change but
Starting point is 00:32:25 really if you looked at that ballot paper the only option you really had was to vote for light blue rather than red or blue and that's what people did so i think it shows people want change i've now got to turn my mind i think to finding an option which is going to give people a different choice. But you'd be open to chatting with this trust? They will have to decide whether they want principle or whether they want some sort of cant which has nothing behind it. So, look, I don't know what the solution is. There are numerous options. In answer to your question, would I work with people like Lidtrust,
Starting point is 00:33:13 yes, I have no problem with people like Lidtrust. She tried to do the right thing, and arguably she found herself at the wrong end of the British establishment. The guilt yield had nothing to do with her. It had to do with all sorts of endowment book protections that had been written. Most of the problems go to some sort of financial protection, which triggers a chain reaction, which is what happened. So the pension funds had to then cover those, basically the volatility options they'd been
Starting point is 00:33:43 writing, which they had to cover because they were going to lose money on. So I think we've got to turn our minds. And I will now. As you quite rightly say, for a few days it affected me. Then I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, so I just cracked on. And I'm going to now work out how I'm certainly not going to leave the battlefield I can reassure people of that I'm going to find a solution which I think gives me the best chance of helping to change the way we're governed. Let me ask a specific one if you can
Starting point is 00:34:18 either rule it out or say that you're considering it I'm told that the Conservative Party are very interested. I've used you now a number of times on your ex-account, but joining the Conservatives would disappoint a lot of your base for obvious reasons, given their failure over the past 14 years. Would you consider joining the Tories, or is that something that you're prepared to rule out? I don't think the Tories are in a position at the moment to offer me what I need. So in answer to your question now, I think probably not. But a reformed Tory party, Dan, is probably the most powerful route to change the way in which we're governed. Obviously, so I don't think they're in that situation now. I think they've got too many MPs who are arguably Lib Dems rather than Tories. And if you look at their track
Starting point is 00:35:11 record, they've had a number of plays with the toy set over the last 14 years, not least Boris with an 80 seat majority, and they have singularly failed to deliver anything other than more legal immigration and locking us all down for a prolonged period of time, which damaged the economy and damaged a lot of our young people. So I don't think they've got a particularly good track record. And I think they need to do a lot of changes or make a lot of changes to their structure at head office, probably to the blend of their MPs and start selecting people on merit and merit alone. They've got some very good young MPs.
Starting point is 00:35:51 I like some of the young MPs very much. So like all parties there, there are good people and you can't make a generalisation about everybody. But I don't think they're ready to offer the British people salvation. Let me show another proposal then. This is what your colleague, what your friend Ben Habib is proposing. Invariably, instead of thanking them for their services and commending them for what they've done,
Starting point is 00:36:21 the leadership of reform has sought to ruin their reputations. But with Rupert Lowe, what they did was, the leadership of reform has sought to ruin their reputations. But with Rupert Lowe, what they did was go one step further. They used the very kind of lawfare against which they should be standing to try not just to ruin Rupert Lowe, but to have him incarcerated. That, at every single level, should be abhorrent to anyone of any political persuasion. But it should be particularly concerning for those of us who had put our hopes in reform. Because if this party cannot, if this party and its leadership does not have a moral compass, and does not have a philosophy, a political philosophy that's built on integrity, it cannot be trusted in any shape or form to deliver this country from the very
Starting point is 00:37:07 dangerous position in which this country now finds itself, in part put there by the kind of lawfare that they try to use against Rupert Lowe. This country needs an honest, decent, pro-British political force which is actually going to act with integrity, without fear, without favour, and deliver for this country. That cannot be Reform UK under the leadership of Zia Youssef and Nigel Farage. A new political force is needed. What's his space? And he's set up that force, Rupert Lowe. It's called the Integrity Party, or he's taken it on. And from what I'm told, he wants you as leader.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Is that something that you're considering? That's an option. I think Ben is a very good man. I think he, as you said, and he is highly principled. He's very intelligent. I think he did a lot of
Starting point is 00:38:00 very good things in challenging the Windsor Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol. He's got the intellect to, I think, play a very, very valuable part. So, look, I don't rule out doing something with Ben. I think he's played his part in keeping reform going when Nigel left the battlefield. He and Richard Tice, he was, I think, you know, he was he was chairman for a while. And Richard was leading it. So I think, and he was traveling all over the country, he put in a lot of hours and a lot of time and a lot of work in in putting in the foundations of reform, as did I. So I think for Nigel to just write us off
Starting point is 00:38:47 in the way that he did in that interview is pretty vile. But that's an option. There are several options. But I've now got to work out what I think is the best route to delivering the chambers. Has Elon Musk been in touch at all? Look, I think you know Elon Musk and you said he never said I should be
Starting point is 00:39:08 leader. What he said is he didn't think Nigel should be leader. He made it pretty clear though that he was keen on you. Whether he thought I should be leader, he actually said that he didn't know me but he thought he liked my tweets. My messages on X.
Starting point is 00:39:24 That's slightly different. So, but I don't think that played well with Nigel, probably, not least because he thought he had a sort of monopoly on relations with the USA. And Musk, as you know, is very close to Donald Trump. So I think that was not helpful as far as my position in reform went. But I, yeah, look, I'm intent on continuing to find a way of changing the way in Great Yarmouth been let down now because they wanted a Reform UK MP.
Starting point is 00:40:10 They don't have one. I'm interested to see what you respond to this. Here is someone who was democratically elected as the Reform MP to represent, this is voters in Great Yarmouth wanting reform in their constituency, and now they have an independent MP not part of reform. They're not getting what they voted for. And all the while, he's accusing you of weaponising the criminal justice system.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Surely it's more democratic to get him back inside reform and give those voters what they wanted look sometimes things happen in politics and it's not perfect and as i said it's a it's a shame it's sad but you know it feels like we're not hearing everything here though richard it feels it feels odd for you to have been this mp completely kindness of letting me ask a question having you asked it um look at the end of the day, if you want to win elections, it's the same a bit like
Starting point is 00:41:08 if you want to win football matches. You can't do that by being a bunch of individuals. You have to operate as a team under one boss. And our plan is to win elections as a team under one boss. And he later said that Reform UK will still run in Great Yarmouth at the next election.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I wasn't aware he'd ever run a football club, Dan. But anyway, he was talking using a football analogy. No, I look, the people of Great Yarmouth are fantastic people. I was there for three days this week. So I'm I'm comfortable if anyone wants to go and talk to them and find out what they think of me or what I'm doing for them. I think that's the best way for people to judge that. I wouldn't be arrogant enough or big headed enough to sort of comment on that. But but look, I, I feel as an independent, I'm now free to operate. And I think people in Great Yarmouth like what I've been doing in Parliament. I try and keep them posted on that.
Starting point is 00:42:06 I say to them, I can't really help Great Yarmouth without changing the way we're governed in Westminster, because it's actually the post-war elite who've let Great Yarmouth and a lot of the holiday destinations, the coastal regions, they've all been let down by a post-war elite, which has been more interested in surrendering our sovereignty to the european union so look there's a lot of things that need change with regard to richard uh he he i think takes his political sustenance very largely from isabel oakshot as you who as you know now lives in dubai and is his girlfriend um so i i don't have any personal against richard i i i but what i would say say is this is an own goal,
Starting point is 00:42:47 using the football analogy of my own. This is an own goal which was scored by them collectively, and they'll have to take whatever consequences arise from it. But look, Dan, I've got to run now. Just one last thing which has come up today, that this will be the last thing. I think it's really important that you've given an opportunity to respond because it's blowing up on X. I'm not sure if you realised that Emily Maitlis actually accused you of being racist.
Starting point is 00:43:16 I want to give you a response to respond to that because it's pretty shocking. This is what happened. Pakistani Muslims raping working class white underage girls. Do you not think there's an issue there? I think. Are you telling me there's no issue? There's an appalling issue with grooming. Are you telling me?
Starting point is 00:43:33 When it hits any community and any age, we only ever hear you talk about Pakistani perpetrators. Are you telling me there's no issue? I'm telling you that you are focusing on Pakistani grooming gangs because probably you're racist and you don't believe that there are white perpetrators of the same crime. Can you deny that? I am concentrating on it because it's a blot on our national history. It has not been properly dealt with. Isn't any grooming a blot on our history? Why don't you talk about anyone else? Did you hear her accuse you of being racist? And do you want to respond now?
Starting point is 00:44:05 Because to me, it's an absolutely egregious allegation. I hope they publish the whole interview because Emily Maitlis, as you know, I think I told her she was a fully paid up member of the British liberal elite. And as you know, she's very good at getting her side of the story across. I'm not a racist. I think everybody knows that. And at the end of the day, you know, Emily is welcome to her own opinions. But she was trying to, you know, as she does, create an interview which everybody wanted to watch. Well, I think I gave her as good as I got. And at the end, I shook her hand and we parted.
Starting point is 00:44:45 No, I'm not a racist. And she's not going to be able to do to the Duke of York what she did to me or do to him what she did to me, what she did to him. So look, I... Excellent. Look, I just wanted to clear that up. Rupert Lowe, so brilliant.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Thank you for your time today. And we will keep in touch, of course, as this new era develops. Well, Dan, we appreciate it. I love that introduction. And thanks very much. Thank you, Rupert. Thank you very much. for another night after the Court of Appeal deferred its decision about whether Britain's political prisoner should be released for sending a singular tweet, a post on X, on the night of the Southport massacre. I was in court today. It was very important to me that I was there to hear Lucy's evidence delivered from prison in person. And I'm going to take you through it all because I do not trust that the mainstream media are going to give you the unfiltered, unvarnished view about what really happened inside the Royal Court of Justice.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Then we'll see this exclusive interview that I recorded with the Daily Telegraph columnist Alison Pearson, who has been campaigning on this issue, and Lucy's husband, Raymond. I can also tell you that I spoke to Lucy today from prison before she faced court. She was nervous. She is absolutely devastated to remain separated from her beloved daughter, but she does have hope that the right decision will be taken. I think it really does sum up the ludicrous nature of what happens when you try and use a housewife, when you try and use a mother, when you try and use an ordinary woman to act as a deterrent for all of us to stop posting on social media at all. Because before Lucy even started her evidence, the three justices, and I promise you this is not a joke, were arguing in quite a lot of detail about the use of the term LOL. What does it mean? What does it mean if it's an uppercase or if it's lowercase? Could there be any hidden meaning of using that word? And does that not point to the absurdity of the fact that we are now locking people up for social media posts? But very soon after that short bit of back and forth about the term lol. Lucy came up on the big screen from prison. She
Starting point is 00:47:47 looked lovely. She was wearing a flowery blouse. And trust me, Lucy is not at all what you think she is. Before she entered prison, what was so astonishing is that the fellow prisoners had been told, oh, you're going to really struggle to deal with this woman. She's a bad one. She's going to be violent. Honestly, Lucy Connolly is just the most lovely down-to-earth woman. Just like one of your friends, your childminder. She is a great laugh, very positive, and she's dealt with all of this stoically. But this set of evidence was incredibly difficult for Lucy Connolly, and you won't be surprised to learn that. And so she was asked in quite a lot of detail about what happened that day of the Southport massacre, which resulted in her sending the post on X that obviously saw her be sent to jail for over two years. She'd seen what happened at Southport on the news around tea time,
Starting point is 00:48:51 and she sent the tweet at 8.32pm. And she was asked by her barrister how she felt. She said she was really angry, really upset, totally distracted by the fact that those children had been dying. And she said she just couldn't get her head around how it was allowed to happen. It sent her into a state of anxiety. She kept thinking, I sent my daughter to gymnastics. This could happen to her. And she said she already knows how those parents of the young victims of Axel Rudi Gabbana felt. And of course, that's because Lucy Connolly had already suffered the loss of her own child,
Starting point is 00:49:31 her son Harry, at just 18 months old. And watching alongside me in the courtroom today was Raymond Connolly. He was there with his best friend who was patting him on the knee for support during these very, very difficult moments. Because Lucy was asked whether these murders at Southport caused a resurgence of her symptoms of PTSD, which connected to the loss of her son. By the way, her loss of the son was proven to be as a result of NHS neglect. Was she more protective of her daughter as a result? Ridiculously so, Lucy replied. And then she was told to think about what actually happened to her son,
Starting point is 00:50:13 who was just 18 months when he passed. And she said, I knew something was wrong with him. I kept presenting him to doctors to be told I was wrong. And they were right. Unfortunately, he did die. The worst part of it is they maintained for a whole year that they followed the guidance and she just wanted them to tell her what it had happened. And so there was a clear implication in this evidence that the death of a child, partly as a result of state failure, is obviously something that is going to impact Lucy in a psychological way. So then she made the post. And yes, people can say it was a horrible post, but she was not inciting violence. Of course she wasn't. She didn't intend for anyone to set fire to hotels
Starting point is 00:50:57 or murder any politicians. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. She asked clearly and concisely when her lawyer put that to her. And of course, she took the dog for a walk. She went out, she tried to clear her head and she returned home. And just three and a half hours after that post first went up, she deleted it. Why, Lucy was asked. Well, she said, I'd calmed myself down. I knew it was an acceptable thing to say. And what was interesting is when she first took that post down, no one had noticed. She didn't do it because she was reacting to people saying, Lucy Connolly has to be locked up. At that point, nobody knew about the post at all. And then the so-called riots started.
Starting point is 00:51:46 And you know, I call them the so-called riots because I actually disagree with Lucy Connolly. I don't think these were real riots. I think they were riots infiltrated by the left and they were riots pushed by the mainstream media to silence the public. But what is so fascinating and what has not come across at all in the coverage of Lucy Connolly is that before anyone had noticed her post on X, before anyone had spoken about arresting her, Lucy Connolly spoke out against the riots. She openly advocated against them. She posted on X, FFS. I get they are angry. I'm effing raging. However, this isn't the way.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Protesting, yes, but not violently. Again, on August the 3rd, this is five days after her post on X, but before she'd been arrested, before anyone had noticed what was going on, she wrote about the so-called riots. Last night was not protesting. It was rioting. It plays right into the hands of the establishment and the media. So why does this matter? It matters because to suggest that Lucy Connolly, a grieving mother, was in any way inciting violence just goes against the facts of what she had actually posted. But then what happened? The left-wing mob got involved. They realized Lucy Connolly's husband was a conservative counselor and they came for her. Someone found the post, a screenshot of the post, and they were copying in the police. They were trying to get her arrested. They were copying an Ofsted to try and stop her working as a childminder. It was all getting out of hand. And she knew it. And Lucy was panicking. Of course she was. She
Starting point is 00:53:27 said, this is an effing nightmare. And so she locked her account. At this point, Ray, her husband and Ray's staff were getting concerned because of course people were saying, well, you're a Conservative Party councillor. What's going on here? And so Lucy put out a note apologising for the post. But what she was most upset about, because this is the thing about Lucy Connolly, she thinks about other people, what she was most upset about, and she said this in court, I was upset that they were bringing my husband into it. He didn't write the tweet or know about it. He's a good person, she said. I felt so dreadful for him because he didn't do anything wrong. She said, we have a very good relationship, she said. I felt so dreadful for him because he didn't do anything wrong.
Starting point is 00:54:06 She said, we have a very good relationship, but we don't agree with everything. I don't tell him what to think and he doesn't tell me what to think. But the backlash was intense. That day she was arrested at 2.36pm. A nurse attended to her. Her blood pressure and anxiety levels were high. She didn't have the right medication and this is a highly medicated woman because of the trauma of the loss of her son. And at this point in court, things got very emotional. She broke down in tears, recalling what it was like when she first went into prison, having never been in trouble with the law before. The woman checking in on her in the prison said she'd never seen anyone so terrified. She made sure that I was put in a wing where it was calm. It was so clear to me that this was a woman who should never have
Starting point is 00:54:50 been in prison. So why on earth did she plead guilty? Well, she did it because she'd sent the tweet. She knew she'd sent the tweet, but as she said, it wasn't her intention to stir up racial hatred. And when she was asked, what were you thinking about when you pled guilty? She just said, my daughter. All I could think about was her. It's always been about the easiest way to get back to her. Lucy didn't really know what she signed. Her solicitor, who was interviewed later in the day, did a terrible job. Lucy should have been properly advised that she should never have pleaded guilty. She should have been allowed to go home, but the state was punishing her. But Lucy was absolutely mortified, absolutely mortified by what happened. And it was so
Starting point is 00:55:42 clear from watching her evidence today that the state actually chose the wrong victim. Because Lucy Connolly is you or me. She's not a thug in any way. She's not a racist in any way. She's someone who is absolutely furious, absolutely furious, as so many of us are, about the disastrous impact that mass immigration has had on our society. And guess what? It's not illegal to say that. Now, there was no decision announced today. Lucy Connolly spends another night in prison because I imagine the justices are absolutely shit scared about the consequences of keeping this woman behind bars when Hugh Edwards walked free, when lots of violent Islamists walked free, when actually ISIS members who fought overseas for ISIS are not spending a day behind bars, let alone even being prosecuted. So after that incredibly powerful evidence, I spoke outside the Royal Courts of Justice with the Daily Telegraph columnist, Alison Pearson, who has been with me on this from the start, and Raymond Connolly, Lucy's husband.
Starting point is 00:56:59 I do just want to clarify, by the way, because a lot of people have been talking about this online. Of course, I didn't want that Palestinian flag in the background. These freaks protesting at the Royal Courts of Justice, and we desperately tried to get it out of shot, but they have one of these flags, which has such a long arm, because they are just utterly determined to get in shot. So thank you very much to the person online who manipulated the Palestinian flag into a Union Jack. Watch. So we've just come from court where Lucy Connolly has been giving evidence now for about one hour. It was an incredibly assured and emotional performance, but there were tears
Starting point is 00:57:48 and sitting alongside me in the courtroom, Alison Pearson, Daily Telegraph columnist, and Raymond Connolly, Conservative councillor and the husband of Lucy Connolly. So Raymond, how do you feel Lucy went in there today? I think she delivered really well. I can't really fault her under extreme pressure. Adam King got all his points, what he needed to do from her. And I just thought she'd done really, really well because obviously I spoke to this morning, she was really nervous, but obviously Lucy has turned it around and she knows she's fighting for her daughter's life and hers and she's went out and done everything and as best as she can. A very difficult moment when she broke down in tears it was incredibly powerful testimony
Starting point is 00:58:38 how difficult was that for you to watch? It's always tough when she starts talking about Harry I mean even talking about it now it's not it's you just start having flashbacks and it's awful it really is i mean i know people say you can get over these things but you just you just don't i have to be honest you just have to live with them even but as i taught you now i'm thinking about me in the bedroom with him and all sorts and then the ambulance come in so it. So she'll be going through that as well. She will. And Alison, the idea of raising what happened to Harry, 19 months old, wasn't he, Ray, when he died as a result of NHS neglect,
Starting point is 00:59:15 was to show very clearly to the judges that Lucy is suffering from PTSD. And that was a big part of the reason why she posted on X what she did. Yeah, I think that there was this Lucy Connolly, Tory councillor's racist wife, who was a very, she was demonised. It suited Keir Starmer and the British state to demonise her, I think. And what's coming out now is the more human side that you know about and I know about obviously Ray's told us about that she lost her baby aged 19 months and is easily triggered by the suffering let alone
Starting point is 00:59:54 death of children so the brutal murder of three little girls in Southport on that July day had a catastrophic triggering effect on her I think she was in a state of great anxiety when you got home wasn't she she was yeah i couldn't get in the house she'd um like left the key off turned but i went in there obviously it was in she was in a bit of a state she was and it was just so clear with all of her evidence today that the reason she agreed to plead guilty number one she wasn't in a great state of mind she didn't have the correct medication she wasn't quite sure what she was actually signing away and you were shocked right even as her husband you didn't know but it was simply because she wanted to return home to your daughter as quickly as possible yeah of course she just felt uh she'd
Starting point is 01:00:46 been watching the reports at prison and she'd listened to the um well the prime minister and whatever um giving out his speeches and she just felt um everybody was turning against her and she was in a no-win situation the um illegal would pretty much said know, it's a no-win situation for you. And so she took the damage limitation route, which was to get home as early as she can, as opposed to going into a front of a jewellery. The absolute key moment for me, though, Alison, was when the barrister asks Lucy, what was going through your head? What did you post on it? And she was absolutely abundantly clear that she was not in any way attempting to stir up racial hatred, which is of course what she
Starting point is 01:01:43 went down for. Well, as R has said, she's not a racist. She was a childminder to children from all corners of the world and has wonderful glowing references from the immigrant parents. And absolutely, I think the key to this hearing today is that she absolutely thought she wasn't pleading. She wanted to plead guilty because she wanted to have a shorter sentence and get out to be back at home with Ray and their 12-year-old daughter. But she didn't realise that she was actually pleading guilty
Starting point is 01:02:17 to a much more serious charge, inciting serious violence. And in fact, she specifically, Dan, after the riot started to kick off, Lucy posted and said, this is not the way. We need to have an intelligent discussion with lots of us need to come together and talk about these issues in a serious, articulate way.
Starting point is 01:02:40 So she very much clearly made that. She made that absolutely clear. She was not stirring up serious violence in fact she was appalled by the violence well indeed right even before the police came to question Lucy at all she had posted numerous new tweets where she said exactly that didn't she where she said she didn't agree with the riots. She said that it was violence, not protest. And she actually said quite critically,
Starting point is 01:03:11 those people are playing into the hands of the establishment and the mainstream media. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, she wanted even general discussion. She was looking forward to trying to get her phone back because obviously that had the evidence. And she was always forward to trying to get her phone back because obviously that had the evidence and she was always thinking at one time she'd have to defend herself with those text messages but the police destroyed her phone so she lost all that okay just finally ray what is the plan
Starting point is 01:03:38 either way so if lucy is released today what is the plan and if she's not what is the plan oh well if she's released today obviously hallelujah we have to you're reunited building i mean there's a lot i mean i'll send her with a daughter because there's a there's obviously going to be a detachment and i need them to try and um get themselves back on track. If she's not released today, Lucy's strong, she'll cry, she'll be upset, but she'll bounce back, she always does. The girls will look after her in the prison and we'll wait until the release date on August and then she will be out and hopefully then she'll start to defend herself and because
Starting point is 01:04:27 she will but Alison something that we believe is very important and we know so many of the outspoken audience will feel is very important is that we want to do something to help and so many people have asked us haven't they over the past few weeks what can we do to help so there is now a crowdfunder to rebuild Lucy's life yes uh Ray is much too proud to talk about this but he's had to sell the car and other bits and pieces things have been quite tight because they've lost Lucy's income so what we would like to do you and I and all the supporters, is to get a cushion from this crowd funder so that when Lucy comes out, she's not going to have to dash into something immediately. She can build, you know, back that bond that Ray talked about with their daughter, who's been really distraught and, you know, has been really, really suffering. So please, it doesn't matter, however little,
Starting point is 01:05:26 if you can make a donation via the crowdfunder, which you and I feel very strongly about. I just want to say, Dan, sitting there watching her, so composed, doing her best, I'm sorry. I know it's not the law, but I'm thinking, what the hell are you doing in prison? This is madness. It's a person who tweeted something.
Starting point is 01:05:44 It was up for three hours three and a half hours and it was intemperate and angry and nasty and she thought better of it because she's a good person and she doesn't deserve we've seen people in the last few months who have watched viewed the most serious paedophile images walking away from court with a suspended sentence. So what is Lucy Connolly doing with a 31 month prison sentence? Absolutely. I was watching Lucy in court today and I just thought this is the best of British and her incarceration actually shames Britain. So we've got to hope for the right result today. But Lucy Connolly needs to be freed. She's a political prisoner. And there are many others.
Starting point is 01:06:32 But this is a start. So thank you so much, Alison. And good luck, Ray. Such a brave guy. And actually, I've got on my hands today a character witness that was written for a really great guy I'm not going to name him but he's a let me just say this is someone who a judge should absolutely listen to given his background and he spoke about Lucy Connolly and said I'm convinced that Lucy and her husband Ray have and never will get over the loss of their son, Harry. How could they? And in such terrible circumstances. I myself have witnessed firsthand the breakdown of what was once a stable and happy young woman. And of course, mummy, which has a father of three, myself, and now grandfather of five.
Starting point is 01:07:18 It's hard to comprehend. And then on the issue of racism, because the prosecutor for the state today, shame on him, was attempting to paint Lucy very much as some type of racist. And this, he says here in this reference, my final points, Your Honour, are that I have never once in a thousand interactions with Lucy over almost 30 years ever heard her say anything that made me feel or even suspect that she had a molecule of racism in her being. On the contrary, I have been in her company, her as a young adult and in the presence of boyfriends, several of colour actually. And I know only too well that she looks after children from all ethnicities and all religions too in her role as a certified childminder. That she has wonderful and genuine relationships with the parents of such children too. So much so that Lucy, at this very moment in
Starting point is 01:08:26 time, is supporting an African doctor's application for asylum and visa right here in the UK. So tell me that woman is racist. Tell me that woman is the pinup for racism in this country. It really is despicable. Let me tell you about this crowdfunder, because I know so many of you, as I said with Alison and Ray, have wanted to help. And the way that you can help is through this Democracy 3 fundraiser, which I have linked to just now in the show notes. So you can look in the show notes if you can contribute even just the smallest amount. And it writes, you probably know of Lucy Connolly as the Tory councillor's racist wife who posted a horrible tweet on the day of the Southport
Starting point is 01:09:10 massacre in July last year. A bereaved mother herself, Lucy was horrified by the murder of three little girls at a holiday club and expressed her distress on social media. When she'd calmed down, a few hours later, Lucy deleted her tweet. It did not represent who she was as a person, as a wife to Ray, a loving mother to a 12-year-old daughter, as a devoted and hugely popular childminder to small children of many different nationalities. Lucy Connolly has paid a high price for a moment of anger. An unimaginably terrible price. Sir Keir Starmer threatened there would be heavy punishments for anyone arrested in connection with the Southport riots. He called them far-right thugs.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Lucy was arrested. She was denied bail, to which she was entitled as a person of previously exemplary character and taken to prison. She was petrified. Lucy was advised by her solicitor to plead guilty because she'd be out by Christmas. Tragically, the judge clearly decided to make an example of Lucy Connolly, giving her a horrifying 31-month sentence which shocked experienced lawyers. He appeared to give Lucy no credit for several mitigations. The fact she had a diagnosis of PTSD after her toddler Harry died in 2011 due to catastrophic medical negligence. The fact that ever since, Lucy has been triggered by the suffering and deaths of children. She had an anxiety attack on the day
Starting point is 01:10:31 of the Southport massacre. The fact that immigrant parents wrote many glowing testimonials about their children's carer, the kindest British person we've met, one said. Hardly anyone thinks Lucy Connolly deserved a custodial sentence. There is no proof her tweets stirred up racism or violence. She was expressing the anguish and frustration felt by millions of British people. Compare and contrast with the treatment of a pedophile BBC broadcaster. Hugh Edwards got just six months suspended for two years. He served no time in jail at all for publishing the worst category of child sexual abuse images. Former Labour MP Mike Amesbury punched a constituent and kicked
Starting point is 01:11:11 him as he lay on the floor. Amesbury received 10 weeks of jail, his appeal was heard within days, and his sentence was suspended. How is a single tweet worse than a violent assault, let alone paedophilia? It's insane and everyone knows it. It took 10 months to get Lucy's case heard at the Court of Appeal on the 15th of May. While in prison, she has been denied the right of temporary leave she is entitled to have at home with her young daughter who is struggling without her mum and her husband who has bone marrow failure. It seems to suit the authorities to treat this warm, bright, caring woman as a notorious villain while actual villains are given early release.
Starting point is 01:11:51 It's hard not to conclude that Lucy Connolly is Starmer's political prisoner. It is laughable to brand her a far-right thug. This 42-year-old childminder is a victim of two-tier justice. Lucy could really do with your help right now. Ray Connolly sold the family car and many other positions to pay her legal fees. The bills have piled up since Lucy has been in jail and unable to work. There is a real risk they could lose their family home. If you make a donation, it will ease the family's worries and give Lucy a breathing space to rebuild her shattered life. She says she wants to use her experience to help the free speech union and to fight for other victims of two-tier justice.
Starting point is 01:12:30 If you think what happened to Lucy Connolly was wrong and does not represent who we are as a nation, please give whatever you can. It's such an important case, this. And if you do want to support Lucy Connolly at all, of course, you can do so by clicking on the link in the show notes. Let's help Lucy Connolly rebuild her life. And of course, I will be covering this case in a way the dishonest and corrupted mainstream media will not. Don't go anywhere. We're about to reveal
Starting point is 01:13:06 today's Union Chatcast and then the big countdown to the worst Britain in the world this week. But first, some struggle to fall asleep. Others struggle to stay asleep. And many wake in the night with racing thoughts. I have to be honest, I often do tossing and turning for hours. I found out though that saffron is more than just a spice. It's shown in multiple human studies to help you fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer and wake up refreshed without next day grogginess. It works by boosting natural melatonin without dependency or morning fog, calming the nervous system, helping your mind unwind, improving mood and stress resilience,
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Starting point is 01:14:39 link in the show description or head on over to evening.ver.so slash outspoken and use the coupon code outspoken at checkout to save 15% on your first order. Try evening bean tonight and wake up feeling refreshed tomorrow. That's evening.ver.so slash outspoken. Use the coupon code outUTSPOKEN at checkout to save 15%. But now back to the show. And thank you so much for your feedback across the show today, which is so important to me. And I just want to get some of your comments. So let's do this now. Deborah Hobbins writes, Nigel Farage, this is on the Rupert Lowe interview, Nigel Farage is compromised. They have something on him because he is not the same man. He used to sound like Rupert, now he sounds like Keir Starmer, a liar. Andrew writes, kudos to Rupert Lowe, who has far more integrity than the
Starting point is 01:15:40 entire Reform Party. Jenny Chilton writes, Zia wouldn't have done this without Nigel's agreement ever since Elon backed Rupert, Nigel had it in for him. And that is the interesting thing, because of course, Nigel has backed away from this somewhat. But can we really genuinely say that he didn't? No, I'm not too sure. Juliet Johnson, Trump falsely accused, Rupert falsely occlused, Rupert Lowe will lead and reform this country. And thank you so much for your superchats and those who have joined Outspoken Plus today, Anne Capple Davies
Starting point is 01:16:14 and Michaela Moore. Big up. Thank you so much. Love having you as an Outspoken Plus member. And the superchats from Simon Brandy. Trump's MAGA is the blueprint. Informed voters got what they asked for. Reform is the not-Labor vote. I hope Rupert and Ben Habib provide a solution.
Starting point is 01:16:31 And he said, if someone can convince Douglas Murray to lead Ben's new party alongside Ben and Rupert, we need an Avengers-style assembly of talent to save our nation. Oh, my goodness. Wouldn't that be amazing? Douglas Murray as Prime Minister. I would Douglas Murray. That's Prime Minister. I would love that. That is for certain. Okay. Let's get to your nominations now.
Starting point is 01:16:49 For Union Jackass. And they are. Lindsay Hoyle. Nominated by Barnack1. Because Hoyle loves his freebies. As more reports show his ridiculous gifts. Such as champagne, cat food and more expensive alcohol.. Megan Markle, nominated by Malwella3. Dear Megan, the power of silence. Just shut up, which I think is a great message. And Nicola Marfleet, who is, of course,
Starting point is 01:17:17 the governor of Woodhill Prison, and they say she's been focusing too much on suppression of Tommy's voice rather than making sure her prison guards are safe. One had their throat cut yesterday. Okay, the poll has just closed. In third position, Nicola Marfleet with 21% of your vote. The runner up with 34% of your vote, Meghan Markle. And today's Union jackass with 44% of your vote, Speaker of the House, Lindsay Hoyle. So what we're going to do right now, the moment I come off air, I'm going to launch the worst Britain in the world this week on YouTube. You've got to go to my community tab. Honestly, last week, I think we ended up with something like 80,000 votes.
Starting point is 01:18:02 Amazing. So this is a very, very popular poll. On Monday, it was the Kent police for their shocking breach of free speech. On Tuesday, it was Susanna Reid for her absolute delusion about the true horrors of mass immigration, especially in London. On Wednesday, it was the Reform UK chairman, Zia Youssef, for his treatment of Rupert Lowe. And on Thursday today, it was the Speaker of the House, Lindsay Hoyle. So straight after the show, I'm going to put those four union jackasses head to head and we will get the worst Britain in the world this week. Very special Greatest Britain today, Andrew Norfolk, nominated by Karen Hankey for exposing the Rotherham child abuse with Sammy
Starting point is 01:18:46 Woodhouse. And I adore Sammy Woodhouse. And I really wanted to read out her tribute this week. She said, Goodbye, dear friend. Today, I say goodbye, not just to one of the UK's greatest investigative journalists, but to a dear friend, a trusted ally, and a man who helped change history. I first contacted Andrew Norfolk in 2013. Together, we exposed the Rotherham child abuse scandal, a truth buried for far too long. That moment changed our lives forever and reshaped how the UK tackles child sexual exploitation. Andrew wasn't just a journalist, he was a man of integrity and compassion who supported me through the darkest moments of my life. We went on to expose many government agencies together, including in 2018 when Rotherham Council and the family courts invited my rapist to apply for
Starting point is 01:19:45 custody of my son. Andrew was the only person I trusted to share my son's story with and to expose the government for allowing it to happen. This was happening to women across the UK and he helped me shine a light on it. We stood side by side through many investigations, challenging the systems that failed the most vulnerable, Andrew didn't just report, he gave survivors a voice and forced institutions to face the truth. It was an honor to work with him and an even greater honor to call him my friend. Rest in peace, Andrew. Your legacy lives on in every child protected, every victim heard, and every injustice brought to light. I'll keep fighting for truth and for justice. Wow, Sammy Woodhouse, you're an incredible woman. And Andrew Norfolk, you were an absolutely incredible man, someone who actually actually does what mainstream journalism should be about. What a show. What a show.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Thank you so much for your company. We're not done yet, though, because we're moving on to the uncancelled after show on Substack. Now we're going to team up with P. Diner for all the royal news today. www.outspoken.live. That is where you can sign up and connect directly with me on Substack. We're back tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe right now if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.

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