Dan Wootton Outspoken - RUPERT LOWE TO LAUNCH REFORM UK RIVAL WITH FARAGE CIVIL WAR OVER ROBERT JENRICK DEFECTION

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Rupert Lowe is intending to launch a rival party to the increasingly establishment Tory and Muslim Reform UK as the clash on the British right descends into open warfare after Robert Jenrick’s defection to Nigel Farage’s party. There is also a civil war within Reform UK, with Zia Yusuf and Richard Tice furious about the hiring of Jenrick, with whom they had been engaged in a long-running personal battle and who is now set to be offered the prized Shadow Chancellor gig, with rumours that this is all a plot to get Boris Johnson back. But for GB News, the propaganda continues at pace. In his Digest Dan reveals the real story being covered up by GB News and Talk TV – and reveals the plan for Rupert Lowe to go head to head with his former party within months. Then two other right-wing party leaders join Outspoken: Nick Tenconi, leader of UKIP, and Ben Habib, leader of Advance UK. PLUS: A left-wing row over the new UKIP logo. We’ll reveal what it’s really inspired by. AND: Australia’s next Prime Minister Pauline Hanson reveals the truth about her burka stunt that went viral across the globe and saw her banned from the Senate. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, return to work with zero drama and full on charm, as they prepare to fight the establishment plot for Prince Harry to set up a rival UK court. We’ll have all the latest with royal YouTube sensation According2Taz, Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 406. And breaking right now, I can reveal Rupert Lowe is intending to launch a rival party to the increasingly establishment Tory and Muslim Reform UK as the clash on the British right descends into open warfare after Robert Jenrick's defection to Nigel Farage's mob. Nigel Farage can't even run a five-a-side team. So he's not going to be able to run. a country. They're not a serious party. You were saying no to Robert Generic last week. Change your mind? Everyone can change their mind, including Robert Generic. When Robert Jenrick, who as immigration minister, he was offered the job of immigration minister by Rishi Sunak.

And he said, yes, but we can't go ahead with the Rwanda scheme. It's cruel. And he actually burst into tears. That when you said you were never, ever going to defect last Friday, that you were in fact lying, and therefore the accusation that you're untrustworthy may be true. That's my question. I'm very sorry to disabuse you since I thought you were very experienced journalist,

but politicians don't have to reply to all the text messages, so they get sent by journalists. But you did reply. There is also a civil war within Reform UK, with Zia Yusuf and Richard Tice furious about the hiring of Jenric with whom they had been engaged in a long-running personal vat. and who is now set to be offered the prize shadow chancellor gig with rumours that this is all a plot to bring back Boris Johnson.

I think the thing we have to ask Jake and everybody else, we have to ask at them all, can you rule out, all of them, will you rule out defecting back to a Boris Johnson conservative party? We've got to the stage now where we need to pull up the drawbridge to the Tory party because otherwise we'll risk an establishment takeover. But for GB News, the propaganda continues at pace. You're riding high in the polls, all that is good. Good for you, I should say, because we're obviously very impartial here, Lee.

But, Mir, I've got a question for you. I'm a news presenter. You're a news presenter now. Would you consider re-entering the world of politics? I honestly don't know, Tom. I honestly don't know. So in my digest next, I'll give you the real story being covered up by GB News and Talk TV and reveal the plan for Rupert Lowe to go head to head with his former party within months. So, folks, the battle for the right, not over yet. Then two other right-wing party leaders

join me. Nick Tenconi, leader of UK and Ben Habib, leader of Advance UK. Also coming up on the show today, Tommy Robinson's fight with Islamist TikTok lawyer Ahmed Yakub. A left-wing row over the new UKIP logo will reveal what it's really. really inspired by. And Australia's next Prime Minister Pauline Hansen reveals the truth about her burker stunt that went viral across the globe and then saw her banned from the Senate. Then, in the uncanncled after show over on Substack, Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales returned to work with zero drama and full-on charm as they prepare to fight the establishment plot for Prince Harry to set up a rival court.

Huge developments on this will have all the latest with Royal YouTube Sensation. according to Taz. And because it's Friday as well, we will also reveal the worst Britain in the world this week. This is when we put your union jackassers from across the week head to head in a mega outspoken poll. Tens of thousands of votes already. You can have your say right now in the posts tab on YouTube. Here's a reminder of your nominees from Monday, Bushra Shake from Tuesday, Nigel Farage, interesting to see him on that list. Wednesday, Slipri Starma, Thursday, Shabana Mahmood. Keep your comments coming into. I'll share some of them at the end of the show. But now, let's go.

So today we're meant to believe, and the establishment media, especially G.B. News, is telling us this every single minute of the day. It's over. It's just over, folks. It is Reform UK. It is Nigel Farage. Despite the capitulation to Islamists, despite the capitulation to vaccine pushes, despite promising labour defactions and even accepting one from the Green Party, it's over. We're just meant to shut up. Even as the apparent next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is on the front page of the Daily Star newspaper for having sent an 80-pound cameo message to the UK's most infamous pedophile Ian Watkins, despite the fact he was killed in prison by a fellow inmate. Watch. This message is to pay tribute to Ian Watkins, a good man, a really good guy. It was very much in contact with me who loved his children.

and will be sorely, sorely missed by them forever. And he'll always let me hope that very special place in everybody's heart. I remember what he always said, mad lulls. Well, tell you what, that does just about sum up the world, doesn't it? Sorry for your grief, but please try and keep some happy memories. Why is he doing this? Seriously. If Nigel Farage was serious about becoming the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom,

he would not be making 80-pound cameo videos for an infamous paedophile, something that is being used by the left of British politics. This is nuts. But there are only two narratives here. So there's the G.B. News propaganda version, which is that Reform UK members are actually delighted about all of this, and that reform are now inevitably the party of government, or the independent media truth, which is what I deliver here on outspoken. And that is that, as Elon Musk put it, reform has become weak source. and that actually an alternative is probably needed. I can reveal today, I'll have more details shortly on this,

that one alternative will come in the shape of Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain, which is already showing up a national polls. And you don't have to dig far below the surface to know that there is now a full-on civil war within Reform UK, where Zia Yusuf in particular is raging against the new Tory recruits. It's mortifying for these high-profile. full members of the party, who are revealing Farage, will do whatever he wants, no matter how stupid it makes you look. Like Layla Cunningham, the Muslim candidate to be the mayor of London,

who just last week was raging against Generic, even though she's an ex-Boroswai Tori herself, only to be forced into this humiliating new turn. Layla Cullingham, are you happy to have Robert Generic on board? That was a fantastic teacher. Because last week you were saying it would be a bad idea to have him. But you said last week a bad idea to have him. You said no to him last week. You were saying no to Robert Generic last week. Change your mind?

Everyone can change their mind, including Robert Generic. Then there's Jenrik himself, saying Farage couldn't even run a five-a-side football team. Listen. Nigel Farage can't even run a five-a-side team. So he's not going to be able to run a country. They're not a serious party. We may have sympathy with some of the things that they say. We may understand why millions of our fellow countries,

men and women have gone to reform, but they are not the answer. Camilla Tomonay has released a WhatsApp exchange between herself and generic, showing he lied. She wrote, are you defecting or not? This is just a few days ago. He replies, no. As I said to you, I believe, when we spoke at Christmas. She asks, not yet or never. He replies never. That's what led to this clash yesterday. Can you just clear up, Mr. Jenrick, the timeline on your defection, because I wrote a column about this on Friday, and there was an exchange of messages with, let's call it sources close to you, insisting that you were never, ever going to defect. It's not surprised that if you phone me, I don't have to tell you everything you want for your column.

No. But when, well, no, I'd already written the column at that point, but I just wanted clarity like Chris Mason at the BBC, and all the other journalists here, that when you said you were never, ever going to defect last Friday, that you were in fact lying, and therefore the accusation that you're untrustworthy may be true. That's my question. I'm very sorry to disabuse you since I thought you were very experienced journalists, but politicians don't have to reply to all the text messages so they get sent by journalists. But you did reply. And I wasn't going to give you the exclusive news of my decision.

Okay, so you misled me. But if you're asking me the question about honesty, nobody in the Conservative Party was more honest about the failures of the last Conservative government than me. What is the most honest thing to do, Camilla, to stay in a party knowing that its principal policy in Rwanda was a failure or to resign from its cabinet? What's the most honest thing to do for myself and the country, but to say this party is going nowhere and if you really want to turn it around, ensure that the country is fixed, then you have to rally behind Nigel and reform. That is what I've done.

Just wanted the timeline, that's all. There's even a new theory going around that this is all part of a plan to bring back Boris Johnson. You've heard a conspiracy theory about them all. Let's not get two-carriage away, but yes, because I'm afraid when you've been around politics for a long time and you see somebody's followers all kind of defecting and perhaps defecting at a greater rate the better chem he does. You think, hang on, what's the foot here? And what they always want is to get Boris back.

That's what Boris wants. And you think, what is going on? The thing I would like to see. How did they get him back by joining reform? Well, by defecting back to the Conservatives. And I think the thing we have to ask Jake and everybody else, we have to ask at them all, can you rule out, all of them, will you rule out defecting back to a Boris Johnson Conservative Party?

Peter C. Barnes says reform is now the Uni Party. I think he's an extension of the problem. I think this is my big thing is that reform are now the unity party. They're not changing the rules. They're not changing the game. The status is saying. My bigger problem is for reform.

They're keeping it as a protest group. Even Dame Andrea Jenkins, the only reform defection that's decent, has had enough. Speaking of politics, Andrea, busy week for the party, specifically, Nadim, coming over to reform.

Tell me what you thought. about that move? Yeah, I mean, look, I've known Nadine a long time. It's incredibly capable, is a nice guy. But I think we've got to the stage now where we need to pull up the drawbridge to the Tory party because otherwise we'll risk an establishment takeover. Now, I joined Reform because of Nigel.

You know, I've known Nigel a long time. It's his passion, it's his vision for our country. And it's also for the... reform movement. It's a real sovereign, patriotic voice, and that's why I've joined reform. So you don't think there should be any more? That should be... Not at that kind of level personally. But this is my view. So Farage has set a May 7th deadline, happily embraced by Zia Yusuf. But do we really believe that? want to come, they better let me know soon, because after May the 7th, the doors are closed.

Doors for defections are closed after May the 7th. May the 7th is this vital, pivotal, most important electoral moment between now and the next general election. And you might have seen yesterday, Chris, that a green councillor joined us, and there'll be a well-known Labour figure that joins us next week. So it isn't just conservatives, but the reality is, that we are replacing the Conservative Party as the opposition to the Labour government in this country. And now we are told we are about to see,

and that we should celebrate, a wave of labour and green defections to Reform UK, which is also no good thing, despite what Danny Kruger, who is behind all of this, might think. We're getting defections from the Greens, for goodness sake. Next week, we're told there's a Labour. But, Danny, is that a good thing? Is that a good thing?

Well, hang on. Well, hang on. What are you challenging me on? We're not the Conservative Party. You're getting people coming from Labour and the Green Party. Is that a positive thing? Because surely they don't share all of your political ideology with you. We've seen how the Broad Church of the Conservative Party failed it multiple times.

Are you just rebuilding that broad church? What we are not doing is rebuilding the Conservative Party. We are bringing support in from across the political spectrum among people who have realised that the old parties don't work. And what we need is a patriotic common sense party led by Nigel Farage. And look, there are also real question marks about Jenric himself. I've always liked him, but I do ask a question, will the real sobbing Bobby Jay please stand up? Let me tell you something which was told to me at a dinner.

But since I think Michael Gove, who was at that dinner, he has said it. So I will repeat it now. He, it wasn't him that said this at the dinner, but it was somebody who was in the room. when Robert Jenrick, who as immigration minister, he was offered the job of immigration minister by Rishi Sunak, and he said, yes, but we can't go ahead with the Rwanda scheme, it's cruel. And he actually burst into tears.

No, sure. No, absolutely. I'll tell you in the break who this person was who told me this, and you will then understand that it has to be true. And apparently that did happen. And so fascinating. I mean, look, he was always dubbed Robert. Generic, she said, yes, we've heard that before.

I have to be honest, and you know I'll never forgive the Conservatives, ever. Never vote for there again. But I did actually have huge sympathy with Mark Francois' passionately held criticism on talk this morning. I feel desperately let down by what Robert did yesterday, personally really let down. And it's not just what he did, it's the way that he did it. When he resigned from the cabinet over the Rwanda bill because he thought it wasn't tough enough, and I voted against that bill as well at second reading for the record. I agreed with the plan. I just thought the legislation had weaknesses.

And I respected him for doing that. And that's one of the reasons I campaigned for him and voted for him to be leader because he'd resigned from the cabinet on a point of principle. But that's not what I saw yesterday. Yesterday was an ego trip, sucking up to Nigel on television. And the thing that really got me was the way he abused his party, and many of the people he'd worked with for years while he was doing it. He could have done that in a very different way, but he chose not to.

He basically viciously attacked the party that he's been a member of and which has given him sucker for years. I cannot respect that. Then we get to the lack of debate that is allowed on the establishment right. And I am embarrassed. I know some people say it as sour grapes. Well, I don't care. Because I am embarrassed that GB News, my former channel, the channel I helped to launch, now operates as a propagandist. The interesting thing is, though, you've got a big challenge ahead.

I mean, you're riding high in the polls. All that is good. Good for you, I should say, because we're obviously very impartial here, Lee. No, no, no, you said the quiet bit out loud, Stephen Dixon. You said the quiet bit out loud because you're speaking to a Reform UK senior leader who also hosts a show on your channel. Now, good on Nick Timothy, Robert Jennerick's replacement, for actually calling Stephen Dixon out live on air for his propaganda watch. I wonder if you're reading the room.

because what you said, and frankly the way you said it, may have washed five years ago, ten years ago. Does it wash now? You talked about bringing in radical changes? Well, the only party that is talking actually about truly radical changes and is doing it in a way which is strong and dynamic and straight talking and appealing to the British people, whether you like it or not, is Reform UK.

Well, you almost sound like an activist for them there, Steve. No, no, no, I'm not. I haven't seen. Let me clarify. He's panicky. Now, the irony is Stephen Dixon is actually a lefty in real life. He used to work on sly news and interview Muslim drag queens. But something's happened. When you go and work for G.B. News now, you are told you have to become a propagandist.

I mean, we even had Miriam Cates today admitting live on air that she doesn't actually know if she's going to defect to reform UK while presenting a show. as a so-called impartial person on GB News. Remember, her co-presenter is already a party apparatchez. Mirab, I've got a question for you. I'm a news presenter. You're a news presenter now. Would you consider re-entering the world of politics? I honestly don't know, Tom.

I honestly don't know. I mean, it is a real privilege being an MP. There's many good things about it. But it's a really tough gig. Meanwhile, Ben Habib, Rupert Lowe, Nick Tanconi, Tommy Robinson all remain banned. So it's not GB News, it's GB Reform, it's propaganda. Now, the other issue that we've got is that Reform UK is actually unable to deal with any MSM criticism,

which often sees them varying further to the left. I have to say, though, I did very much enjoy this dig from Richard Tice at Sly News yesterday. This is Richard Tice, the deputy leader, arriving. Mr. Jenrich, after he's defected. You're from? From Sky News. Oh, goodness. Does anybody watch you these days?

Yes, they do. Very nice to see you. Can you trust him, though? But here's the thing. Well, I meant he's watching. Yeah. Yeah, the presenter is watching. That's pretty much it when it comes to sign news these days.

But that's why Reform UK shouldn't constantly allow itself to be guided by criminals like BF. Rigby. I'm talking journalistic criminals, of course. And it is the right approach because you might remember this. This sly news hit piece on reform in Scotland late last year. Put them in camps and deport them. Why not? Raw, unfiltered and on the rise. Nails for stuff, I think. Sky News goes inside Reform UK.

Shiree O, for instance, they're trying to bring that here. Who's bringing that here? The asylum seekers. Unafraid to shock. Betting procedure that we put in places a party is absolutely vigorous. From pints to politics. I find the idea of deportation camps just... utterly repugnant.

This is the movement shaking up Scotland. But look at the ludicrous reaction. When Sly News asked the new reformed Scottish leader Lord Offord about that hit piece yesterday. Within that, one of your prospective candidates' standing said for illegal migrants in this country, they should be put in camps and deported. Do you associate yourself with those comments? What again, what was said very clearly today is that illegal and illegal immigrants, should not be here and they need to be removed.

And that should not be controversial. However, we must always do this in a humane way and I would always want to do this in a humane way. But the principle is right that if you're here illegally, you should not be here, you should be removed. Should they be put in camps like one of your candidates said? I said this, we need to be done in a humane way. And at the moment, we're spending a lot of money

looking after people who are here illegally. What does humane look like? Humane should be that we understand. That's a reformed staff member. stepping in. And they need to be looked after and treated as human race. But at the same time, they need to be removed. So not putting camps?

I'm not advocating camps, but they're talking about the government at the moment are talking about taking a military camp in Inverness and using that. So it depends, I guess, on what you mean by a camp. But that's the Labour Party right now are talking about putting them in a camp in Inverness. So I don't know what you mean by that.

I'm just saying it needs to be done remandling. Do you think that? We move on. We put a list of 10 to go through it. We've only got better minutes. All right. Well, I was just in the middle of asking question. We're still recording. So is the interview being cut? Well, it needs to. It's going to have to be. All right. Okay. Thanks very much. We'll just get that. Okay. Pathetic. And he just stood there allowing that to happen. Seriously, you don't need a minder for sly news. Fight back. Then we've got the disgusting cancellation of Howard Cox for supporting Tommy Robin.

which Reform supporter Lucy Connolly has today spoken up against, posting on X. The problem with this is many reform voters will also support Tommy. I don't believe reform want to lose voters over a difference in opinion. It was clear from the last rally Tommy Robinson organised that those that support him are no longer simply football hooligans dripped in Stone Island, but concerned citizens of the UK from all walks of life, of all ages, concern for the future of their country. Surely as adults, we can accept we aren't all going to. agree. And then from the establishment right today, the Daily Mail has launched a campaign for

reform and the Conservatives to stop fighting each other. I would argue it's far too late for that. But they are also fighting amongst themselves now too. Given the paper reports, a senior reform source said Mr. Generic is set to be rewarded with the post of Shadow Chancellor with a brief to strengthen the party's economic credentials. Now remember, that is the job. both Tice and Yusuf want. There is a civil war within Reform UK now. I know that. Remember, this is what Jenric said about Yusuf when the Muslim was exposed for liking an awful anti-Semitic tweet. He wrote, I call bullshit. You've spent the last 48 hours calling me a traitor for not drawing attention to elite spreadsheet without special forces and MI6 officers' names

on. But we're meant to believe this tweet attacking me as a traitor for having a Jewish wife and family was liked accidentally by one of your team. You must think we're thick. No, the mask has slipped. Likes are private. You thought nobody would ever know. Unfortunately for you, the racist account who posted the tweet and could see the likes exposed you. Reform should give you the boot. Okay. So all of this now brings us to Rupert Lowe, who remains the big question mark in the politics of the right. So you've got Ben Habib's advance UK going strong with its first major policy. event next month, backed by Ion, Hershey, Ali and Tommy Robinson. But what will Rupert do after May's local elections, given an imaginary party run by the great Yarm FMP, is showing up in national polls?

Well, here's the scoop. My sources tell me a new national party led by Rupert Lowe is coming. Obviously it would be good if that involved some sort of deal with the likes of Advance UK and UK but we do need Rupert involved given he is the country's best MP. I am assured at this point a launch will likely come after May's local elections where Rupert is running a local test with his new Great Yarmouth First Party. Although that timeline could move forward with Rupert posting last night I will think long and hard about what to do over the weekend. Here was his big pitch. Our message has been reinforced today in the most spectacular fashion.

Westminster is a vile snake pit, infested with those who put their own personal interest above that of the country. They're an exceedingly small handful of patriots, but that number is vastly outnumbered by those who have their priorities in the following order. Self-party country. Party politics has failed. It has failed all of us. It's failed Great Yarmouth. It's failed England. It's failed British. it is a circus, a pantomimer show, with no care for what's really been inflicted on decent tax-paying men and women. They all treat it like a sport. It's not. It's our country, our home, our people. The solution? A reform dictatorship that is packing its ranks with very same people who decimated the country over 14 dire years? I think not. Nadine Doris, Jake Berry, Lee Anderson, Nadine Zahari, really? Are these the people to turn this country around? A Labor

defectors on the way too, I mean really? Even Generic, who has to take full responsibility for what happened on his watch as immigration minister. Entire communities transformed into what now resembles the third world. Vast streets of foreigners unable to speak English. Towns change beyond recognition. This is what they did to our Britain, all of them. Today he betrayed his colleagues. That's his choice. I am of the view that nobody who had any role in past government should should be allowed by the British people to serve again. The damage is just too immense, too grave, possibly even too irreversible. All these washed up former MPs who are weaponising the rightful anger with the British people to slink back into Parliament, it's sickening to watch.

Please remember, they did this to the country. These other people who destroyed Britain, they will not fix it. Reform will not fix it. Farage was supposed to destroy the establishment, not join them. That is why I backed him for so long. I was wrong to do this. so. Sadly, joining that establishment is all he cares about. He wants to be accepted by the people who spurned him for so very long. That is what drives him. Take revenge on a conservative party that refused to accept him and then force them to bend the knee and kiss his ring. Party politics is dead. We need an entirely different way of doing things hundreds of men and women from outside politics put forward for election, all of whom must have had nothing to do with how our country

has been so abhorrently failed. I'm going to think long and hard over the weekend about my next step. Britain doesn't need more reform from the same arsonists who burnt it to the ground. A real alternative must be provided. I will do that. And as well, by Wolf insisted for those saying it's too late, for Rupert Lowe to start a new party and win the general election, remember that the polls show he is already at 10% through his share force of personality, one check from Elon Musk or someone with similarly deep pockets, and it is a done deal. Now, here on outspoken, unlike GB News, unlike Talk TV, I provide a party platform to all party leaders,

including Nick Tenconi of UK and Ben Habib of Advance UK. Nick posted on this decision, Robert Jenrick has left the Tories to join the Tories. Reform has become the very establishment they claimed they wanted to destroy. From Ben Habib, The persona Robert Jenrick wanted us to believe, right-wing, principled and capable. Then he did what all the others fleeing the Tory party did, try to save his skin. None of them can be trusted. So, first up, Ben Habib, joins me now.

Ben Habib, great to have you here, obviously a massive day, a seismic shift in right-wing politics. But for you and for Advance UK, how significant is it that Rupert Lowe is, is briefing, well at least sources close to Rupert Lowe briefing that actually a Rupert Lowe party is coming. What does that mean for Advance UK would you hope to do some type of deal? Introduction you did, Dan, covering all the detail from right across the political spectrum. And before I answer your question, I just want to say how interesting it was also to hear what Steve Baker said that this is all a ploy to weaken the Conservative Party to the point that it is a point that it is, on its knees and begging for Boris Johnson to come back. And as implausible as that sounds,

you can just about see that happening, can't you? It gets so weak that there's a clamouring for it, and then all the stakes go straight back to where they were before. But leaving aside conspiracy theories, as you know, I got into politics reluctantly. I stood my ground in politics because as quaint as the notion might be, we didn't achieve what I thought we would achieve in 2019, which was to get the United Kingdom out of the European Union. That was my major bug bear. I joined reform in the hope that reform would stand for the fight of the nation state. And then as soon as Farage came back, it became clear to me that Farage was corrupted somehow. And we've had that discussion many times. And by the way, I did tell a lot of

Rupert when Farage came back in June 2024 that Farage would be a problem. And that increasingly became the case to the point where Rupert was eventually chucked out. And when Rupert was chucked out, that's when I realized there was an opportunity for the much needed new political force in British politics. I didn't agree with Rupert. Well, first of all, I should say that the party, Advance UK, was set up with Rupert as leader in mind and with his agreement. You know, that I would set up the party, get the constitution in place. He would fight the various legal cases that Farage and his cohort have brought against him, cases for bullying and threatening Zeyer Yusuf and so on.

He'd fight those. And then when it all come together, he would step in and lead it. But somewhere between March and May, Rupert decided that he didn't want to be in a political party. He wanted to do a movement, much to my great disappointment. But I was absolutely convinced and I remain convinced, and I think Rupert has now got there, that a new political force with electoral capability is required. And so whatever Rupert reveals on Monday, what I will do is look at the complexion of what's revealed

and ensure that the collective efforts of what he's doing and what advance will do in the future to the maximum possible extent will deliver a pro-British government in 2029. That's the key thing here, not to allow Farage a free run re-establishing the establishment or a resurgent Tory party actually not learning the lessons of the past

and bringing back someone like Boris Johnson in the old cohort. What the country needs is a new political force. If Rupert can provide something around which everyone can coalesce, then we people like Nick and I who care about this country, we have to look at it. Well, actually, that's a good point for me to bring in Nick Tenconi, the leader of UKIP.

Nick, your response to what Ben Habib has just said. Obviously, you are rival parties. Indeed, as I was saying to Ben, before we got started, a very interesting and very complicated time is emerging for brevity. Obviously, I'll echo what Ben has said. Of course, I'm inclined to agree with regards to the idea around coalescing, depending on what is presented to the Patriots. But where I come in is that I serve the people.

I work for the Patriots. And if I have the political will, then it is decreed. and there is a non-negotiable for myself and the team and the party under my leadership, that we must reinstate Christianity back into the heart of government. Whereas we are not insensitive to the cultural Christian argument, basically those who support Christianity, but who are not themselves. We don't identify as Christians, don't follow the sacraments, don't follow that life, which of course is absolutely fine.

There's no judgment there whatsoever. we must have total regime change in 2009. And if God forbid something has been alluded to, something doesn't happen in 34, we must have total regime change. And our missions and our perspective, our worldview is that we need to reinstate Christianity back into the heart of government.

That means policies, that means missions, that means leadership, that means high command, that means MPs, all of it. So obviously I can't speak Obviously I'm in a position where I can't speak further until I know what Rupert does or doesn't do But I will say this heart on the sleeve territory The great schism in British politics was after UKIP

After Nigel burned the bridges with UKIP And everybody knows that from there There was a creation of a Brexit party And a deal done with Johnson to stand down his MEPs Which obviously is a whole other topic but it's hugely problematic. The next great schism came when a very, Ben Habib is very well-liked and he's a very affable man. And we've got another schism with Rupert, have we not?

So at heart on the sleeve time, I'm not sure how much more the Patriots can take. The online right on X is not street level. It's not in the council estates. It's not in the parishes. It's not in the churches. The online X piece isn't Facebook, is an internet. isn't TikTok. So whatever happens online, I did actually count, Rupert post 10, 15 times a day. He has the Midas touch right now, but I don't know that it's Rupert writing those tweets.

So let's just have some perspective. We don't know what's what yet. We had, obviously, the creation of advance and under Ben's leadership, which, okay, that's fine. But these are continual schisms, are they not? Can we agree they are continual schisms? And how much more can the Patriots take? Because we already live in a very complicated political system and the first past the post system you must win in your you must win in your constituency that must you must campaign hard you must become a politician and the poor demographics that rupert myself and ben are after they simply haven't been trained for so very long for a very long time it was that the old old labor was the socially conservative brigade and they had the unions to

protect them and to represent them so we do need to sit down we all do need to sit down we all do need to talk. I have my non-negotiables, which is that Christianity must be reinstated into the heart of government. I absolutely will not have Britain or the Patriots hurt anymore. But I think if, if Rupert is to start his own party, that is surely another schism. So who's next? Robert Jenrick starts his own party, Boris Johnson. Where does it end, Dan? That's my question. Yeah. I mean, I think what's very, by the way, I endorse Nick, absolutely the thrust of what you're saying, is we've got to stop the schisms and we've got to somehow find a method by which we can cooperate to ensure that we get this pro-British government, this. And Advance also has Christianity,

the reinstatement of Christianity as a constitutional matter, as well as a cultural matter in the United Kingdom as part of its mission statement. But what was really interesting to me reading Rupert Lowe's longish tweet on what he's considering was his declaration that party politics is dead. He said, he first said party politics had failed. And then he, he, concluded in a single line that party politics is dead. And I'm afraid I can't agree with that. There's got to be a conduit through which people's views are represented at the ballot box. And in the absence of a complete rewriting of the way our democracy works, party politics is the only way forward. Yeah, my reading of that, my reading of that was that what he was saying is that

the people, the people who are involved in whatever the party is, be it restore Britain, be it at Fancy UK, whatever it is, must not be party political people. That was my reading of what he was saying there. Ah, the inclination to be party political is dead or should be dead. Well, I'll just see what he comes up with. You know, I've had a lot, a number of discussions with Rupert as I'm sure you know, over the principle of a political party versus a movement. And I've always been against the movement because it has no mechanism by which to deliver its political capital. That can only happen via a party. So maybe I read what I already knew about Rupert into that declaration that party politics is dead. You know, that was another

declaration I thought against political parties. But let's see what he comes up with. You know, Advance is brilliant, by the way. We have a great constitution. We have some great people in our college, which is like our independent board of directors, if you like. We're coming up with policies. We've got nearly 40,000 members. We are soaking up. This is something people don't know. I did mention it to you privately yesterday, Dan, but I can let your viewers know. We are soaking up former reform grassroots. And you don't see this in the polls, but we are soaking them up because they are sick and tired of what Farage and his cronies are doing at the top of the party. And so, note,

out, by the way, that reform is built, is a house of cards. It's built on sand. And it's grassroots, as Nick also said in his, a moment ago, that it's about the people in the council estates and the deprived parts of this country. And they are not happy with Farage, to the extent that they're aware of his existence, they're not happy with him. And we are soaking up that because we are active in the grassroots. And so Farage is not going to stand the test of time. Reform is not going to make it, in my mind, to 2029. It's not going to do it. So there has to be a political force that can step in and pick up the pieces

and make sure it delivers a victory for a pro-British government. And Ben, I guess it's a good time to announce that the reason we were together yesterday is because I am featuring on your podcast. I'm very excited, released, I believe, on Sunday, the fearless. podcast and we will reveal a lot more about what is going on behind the scenes within that. But Ben, can I just ask you about this Daily Star story? Because it's been completely ignored by the mainstream media today. But is it not quite astonishing that we do have a future prime minister who seems so determined to continue making his money from every single commercial

venture possible? Now, by the way, I'm not saying Farage doesn't have a right to make money, Remember, he's already got a deal with the gold company. He's already getting paid a huge amount of money from GB News. These cameo videos are risking his reputation because he's made a video. Clearly, it's a joke. It's someone, it's a political enemy probably trying to humiliate him. But he's made a video addressed to Ian Watkins, who is one of the country's most heinous pedophiles in history, who was recently killed in prison?

It makes my stomach turn when I see Farage doing this. He also did a cameo in which he sang up the RAR, which is supportive of the IRA. You know, it's absolutely ridiculous. And we've also got him signing, you know, football shirts, which have Farage on the back, number 10, Farage, and selling them at £370 pounds a pop. This is all unbecoming of someone who wishes to be a future.

Prime Minister. But my biggest problem with Farage is his lack of political philosophy, his lack of fortitude, his propensity to pivot this way and that way in order to curry favour with whomever he wishes, whomever he thinks he needs to carry favour with in order to progress his agenda. Farage is not the answer this country wants. The questions that the country is posing are incapable of being answered by Farage. And I suppose that video, that cameo that he did, Evidences it at a very fundamental basic level. But Farage is flawed all the way through. And so I come completely round back to where I was,

which would be needed a true, honest, pro-Pritish political force that can deliver at the ballot box and then has the wherewithal and the policies to enact the acts of Parliament that are required to save this country. Ben Habib, leader of Advance UK. Thank you so much. Of course, a reminder, do check out our podcast the fearless

advanced UK podcast which you can get everywhere on Sunday. It is released. Nick Tenconi, what did you make of that video of Farage,

which probably has been requested by political opponents? I think that I remember the video that Nigel did where he said, up the raw, we all know what that means. It's totally unacceptable.

Why would you ever do that? Nigel tends to have a lot of fun with these things. He's always smiling and laughing. We've seen it in Parliament before when something just recently, something really serious came up with regards to grooming and or paedophilia. And when you're in in the chambers, the camera captures you. So even if it's taken out of context, I mean, I'd like, as you know, Dan, it's time for flipping tables. I'd like to see, Britain deserves to see flipping tables and it's going to see flipping tables

one way or the other. And then I've seen this sensationalism in the last, is it 48 hours? I am aware of cameo and I don't really know what to tell the Patriots. I really don't. But I will always, if I'm asked about Nigel and reform shenanigans,

it's exhausting. And I will always tell everyone when I became interim leader, bizarrely in July 2004, that was the when Tommy and United Kingdom were making a comeback that was the 50,000 Patriots in Trafalgar Square so there's been lots of different rallies

but just to remind everyone, this is right before the general election I'm coming in as on the back foot as anyone can obviously Benaby was standing in that general election Rupert Lowe etc and everyone back reform so whenever questions come to me about Nigel and reform I just think unserious. I just think establishment.

Again, I don't see any faith or being led by faith as a bare minimum in any way. We get stuff like this put in front of us where he doesn't know what he's doing. He's clearly reading off of a script. It just looks odd. As you rightly say, he's probably being set up. But I don't like it. I don't like the ideology. It's all liberalism.

It's all secularism. What is Reform UK? And they've obviously said the gauntlets, the drawbridge is being pulled up. of May 7th, no more Tory defections. It's also problematic. And again, in context of Trafalgar Square, summer 24, I said, guys, you've got it wrong. You've absolutely got it wrong.

And it's come to pass within a few months of the general election summer 24. It's come to pass that I was right. You had the reshuffle. You had the appointment of Zia, and everyone knows a timeline, and we're all exhausted going through it all. And the schisms that it's caused as well.

Think about it. Rupert got in on Nigel's ticket, right? I mean, he won, but Nigel, the leader, Nigel fraud, the leader, it's his job or her job to create the brand and the excitement and the inspiration within the party. So no Nigel, no Rupert. Rupert's now in, I mean, obviously got kicked out, but he's in there as an independent. So reform's got so much to, reform and Nigel have so much to answer for. And I find it exhausting.

And if I find it exhausting, the patriots will also find it exhausting as well. We need a Christian-led, patriotic, right-wing, unashamedly, socially conservative, political party, political organization, who's saying we're going to take the country back, no diplomacy, no surrender. The patriots deserve absolutely nothing less. We have everything we need. Rupert's made his move. The details are to follow, but we have everything we need, Dan. and everyone is unfortunately going to have to pick aside

if mergers and deals and all of those things can't come to fruition. If that can't come to fruition, everyone's going to have to pick aside. And that is very complicated and that is difficult. But the Patriots, at a bare minimum, deserve a leader and a party, telling them exactly what they want to hear and showing them exactly what they want to see.

The left continue to try and get Tommy Robinson back in jail. They're using a whole load of tactics to do so. The latest is that he has been challenged to a fight by this Islamist, awful, awful man. TikTok lawyer is how the mainstream media describe him, wannabe politician, you know him, Ahmed Yikoub, a solicitor unbelievably, pro-Palestine activist from Birmingham who failed twice at getting elected in 2024. The first, of course, his attempt to become West Midlands mayor, where he stood as an Islamist independent candidate. Second, he stood for Parliament in Birmingham, Ladywood during the

general election. So I want to show you this threat, and it is a threat that Yakub made to Tommy on the reality check podcast. I'll fight Tommy Robinson. You'll fight Tommy Robinson. Tell us. Tell us what you think about it. I think it's racist. He's got a problem with people like me. He had a huge problem with me during my election campaign. It's a keyboard warrior. He needs to show up and it needs to be to a lesson.

I don't know if I would like to be to be televised. I would probably like it to be in a gym, just me and it. They're private, no gloves. No gloves probably, I'd. How far would you let the fight go? Is it just until he gets knocked out or, you know, carry on afterwards? Yeah, I mean, we can just carry on. He's a lawyer as well.

so he could get himself out of it. He could get himself out of the book. No, it would have to be signed. It's your fight, man. He wins, you know, can't go to the police. Can't go to the teachers. He'll miss. He hit me.

I'll fight Tommy Robinson. Now, let's just think for one moment. If that were Tommy, making the same type of violent threat to Seizat Polanski. You know he'd be arrested immediately. This dude, remember, he is the guy who briefly represented the brothers involved in that Manchester airport case

until he was charged with money, Lord Noreen, even though he does deny the allegations. This is also the same cretan who instructed his Islamist followers on how to explain having a baseball bat in the car if caught by police ahead of the Aston Villa match. Have a bat in your car, but you can't demonstrate that you have a sporting event You can get into trouble with the police and the prosecution and see yourself in court for possession of an offensive weapon.

So if you do have a baseball bat, for example, for a sporting event, then make sure it is clear and you have other equipment with it as well. Otherwise, it will be difficult for you to show that you have a reasonable excuse to have this. But always, remember, there's a defense for every offense. I mean, we are allowing these Islamists to take over our country, to take over our institutions, to take over our police forces. It is disgusting. Well, Tommy Robinson has never won to shy away from a fight. He has promised, I would iron this little mug out. But Nick Tanconi, leader of the UKIP party, the influence that someone like Akman,

Yacoub has is truly chilling, is it not? And the fact that he is able to just have the police in his pockets, consistently make violent threats, and totally get away with it, shows you that we do now have a two-tier country. We have one rule for Islamists and we have one rule for Christians or atheists. it's very troubling dan the um yacoub individual he's an odious uh little cretan is what he is and i think we when we when we use the word islamist in context of speaking of him i think that's fair we've got to be very careful with our language as you know i think it's actually fair i think it's pretty much fact um that he is as are millions who subscribe to the religion of Islam in arguably in Britain as well, which, so first of all, yeah, odious little cret in and sees himself

as some sort of mafia boss of Birmingham, even though he's not. And the videos, they're just, they're just so unpalatable. They really are. The baseball bat one was disgusting. He's basically saying to his Islamic brethren, he's saying, look, guys, we know, we know you all carry weapons, whether he's talking to the Bangladesh community. whether he's talking to the Pakistan community. We all know you carry weapons. So, you know, there's a defense for every offense. So what he's doing is he's subversibly,

sorry, very openly mocking Britain. He's very openly flouting his authority within his little principality, his little remit, in guess what, point being a colonized Islamic zone. Alan Rock in Birmingham, there are other parts of Birmingham, White Chapel in London, various different parts of Leeds, Bradford, Manchester. They are colonised. And so they essentially there's this acting with impunity, a continual demonstration that we see during the unrest of 24,

when the political, the police liaison officer, the clip that showed the PLO talking to the Muslim Defence League goons, black block, mast up, quote unquote, go and put your weapons back in the mosque, etc. The accusation that the mosques have weapons as well, how they got there. We don't know it would have to be state-sponsored. Possibly they did it via the back door, but it's most likely to be state-sponsored if that allegation is correct. With regards to Abdul, no, Ahmed, whatever, with regards to him calling out Tommy Robinson, this is going to happen more and more sort of on the socially conservative right.

Yeah, Ahmed YouTube. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So you're not really getting, the communists in Britain. and they can't really fight. As you well, as you well know, they're just, they're gutless. But you will get this more. But they're protected.

That's what's so disturbing. And we saw it, didn't it? We saw it this week with the fact that the police chief for the West Midlands relied on AI to promote a false claim in order to support the Islamists. It's absolutely nuts. But this does bring us to a wider conversation. And I haven't had you on the show, Nick, since the announcement of late. Laila Cunningham as the Reform UK candidate for mayor, going against Sadiq Khan, the Islamist in

London. And I received a lot of criticism for saying that I thought this was the wrong choice and that I would not vote for her because she is Muslim. And I do not believe the solution to an Islamist mayor who has destroyed our city is parachuting in a Muslim. It is a capitulation in my view. It's unnecessary. There was huge pushback from the right. But what was interesting is this week in The Spectator, Nick, Douglas Murray, as he often does. And by the way, Douglas Murray is absolutely brilliant, love the guy, very, very good man, supportive of me. And what he does is obviously sum up these situations in a way that is acceptable to the ruling class, is acceptable to the elite class, because he's writing about it within the pages of Michael Gove's Spectator magazine.

But effectively, he was saying the same thing, that actually it becomes very problematic if you get into a situation where parties like Reform UK feel the only way to ever win is by playing identity politics. So what did you make of the decision to pick Layla Cunningham to run against Sadiq Khan? So a week or 10 days or two weeks, whatever, recently, there's big media storm. So I can be very clear on this, Dan. Big media storm about Cunningham and just outrage from the Patriotic Right. Why the outrage, guys? Again, it links to Nigel. It links to reform, as I said earlier on in your program there.

What do we all expect? Go back to Trafalgar Square summer 2024. I wasn't wrong then. I'm not wrong now. And it's not that I'm not defending Nigel, you know, because obviously getting a lot of hatred and bullying. But what does everyone expect? from the man, 40 years in politics, give or take an inch. What exactly does everyone expect

from Nigel, who's a politician, politicians subscribed to party politics and to political ideology. What does everyone expect? In the terms of the installation of Leila, for example, this is a good move for reform, right? This is a sensible move for reform. Again, what does everyone expect that we're so far gone that we can take the country back. Rupert puts up a tweet, gets 500,000 views and 100 billion likes. Oh, that's it. Problem solved. We've taken the country back. Ben Abed makes advanced. Problem solved. We've taken the country back. Nick Tenconi's at street level saying we're taking our country back. Problem solved. It's going to take so much. We are that far behind. As you well know, this is no joke. This is literally no joke. It is

the fight between Christianity and Islam. And all said and done at the end of the day, it is the power of the Islamic caliphate, the aggression, the dominance is so powerful, as is proven across the world for centuries. And it's Christianity that confronts that sort of evil, which is the Islamic caliphate, not referring to individual Muslims there, but the caliphate. So what's everyone so surprised about Dan? Come on. Like, it's a great move, right? Layla's optics are perfect. Sadiq probably's had enough anyway, because he can just keep winning. bored, I don't know, maybe it's time for a change, maybe a deal's being done. But again, my question is this, why is everyone so surprised about the man and the political ideology? And in the case of the insurgent of Leila, Dan, taught me through it. Great optics. Again, she's a free the hijab, feminist. There's lots of this in Islam, by the way. Islam does this. It makes sure that it's got your Burka militants and also your free the hijab movement. And, and, you're free the hijab movement. And, you know, And that's a huge campaign in Iran run by women.

Thanks be to God. And Layla just, she's perfect for it, right? So lastly, moving on, why do the patriots think that places like London can actually be taken back? What makes people think that places like Alan Rock in Birmingham can be taken back? So when we do mass deportations and remigration, that includes the Islamists with British passports, just because you're born here and have a British passport, it doesn't mean to say you're staying under our government. but in Islamist occupied controlled zones, Whitechapel, Alan Rock, these are two very good examples,

they're not going without a fight. Huge amounts of people will leave. They'll just leave. The Middle East will also want them as well. They'll find something for them to do because there's a natural organic reciprocity that will occur. But a lot of them, they won't be leaving. They won't be going anywhere. So last but not least, what makes the Patriots think that we can ever take back London?

We are in the fight for Britain's soul. And that means we're going to have to start off. And then we're going to continue our work whilst we have breath in our lungs. And we're going to pass that down to our children, depending on how old you are and whether that's Gen Alpha or whatever comes next, etc. We're deadly serious when we say these words. We have got so much work to do, Dan. Yeah, we do. We really do. I wanted to show you Katie Hopkins on Rob Moore's podcast talking about.

Tommy and what the Unite the Kingdom Rally meant to her. Watch this. And what do you think of Tommy Robinson? You know, Tommy Robinson, if I, you know, I'm so happy to have lived this long. One of the things I'm so proud of to have lived to see was Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom Rally in September this year. And if I could have had a list. The one with 100,000 people in there according to it. Only three people turned up. I mean, I don't know, according to the Guardian. In fact, it was just me. I was just there on my own. So if I could have only lived or given a choice to see two or three things, you know, that rally that day, I just so, so proud of what he did.

And just to be very clear, the actual rally itself, amazing. But the stuff beforehand for him to pull that off, the amount of he got pushed back from the original venue, he got told he couldn't have it by the London, Westminster, whatever authority. I don't deal with these people. He had entire groups working to make it happen. The setup, the rig, the screams. I don't know if people know about something.

sound. Sound is the most difficult thing to get right. In theatres, particularly, theatres that are dedicated to having audiences, sound can be a nightmare. He got a sound to happen in the middle of London on a chaotic day. He got a live link with the most powerful, arguably, man on the planet, certainly the richest man, and he was able to sustain a live convent. I mean, it is unfathomable. And she actually went on to describe Tommy Robinson as the Robin Hood for the people. But to come down that day, I'd done a show in Skeggy the night before, Skeg Vegas. I got on a train. I don't even know.

I hadn't been to bed. Seven in the morning. As I walked on the train, the whole train erupted, all our people. All the way down, our people got off the train. Well, I had to wake me up, actually, embarrassingly. It's disgusting. And I got off the train, every single train unloading people. Oh, our people, every single bridge, every road.

I mean, so emotional to see the capital city like that. And so that to me will always be what. ever happens with Tommy, that is the biggest tribute. There's only one man that could have pulled that off that day, and it is Tommy. And even in the little moments, so walking next to him, you know, there was one point where the crush was real. Luckily, Aunt Middleton was on hand with his mighty cock to save me. I mean, not that I rubbed up against it on purpose or anything, but there was a moment

in that crush. And Tommy was still, there was a security, we're trying to clear the path. and Tommy was still going, gentle, gentle, there are people, steady, because security obviously saw the threat and were getting a bit viced in. He was calling them to be gentle with people. And those moments, to me, I'll never be able to adequately articulate what a formidable and brilliant moment he created in British history. And I think he will always go down in British history as a sort of a Robin Hood for the people. Do you agree with that, I've never heard that before. I think that's arguably pretty great, really.

I think I'm very comfortable with mine, my own and the party's position, read Tommy, in terms of bravery and journalistic efforts and raging against the system, the guy should get a knighthood. And as I'm on record as saying, I think that he should stay in media. I'd like to see him stay in media. Obviously very broad, very open, big sector there. It could mean a lot of different things. But he's obviously very good at investigative journalism.

He's very good at uncovering things. He can produce a crowd. He can pull a crowd. And that crowd obviously wants to see what he's done. But to be fair, that was one or two or maybe even three of the purposes of the, when he reemerged spring 24, I can't remember. but with the street level movement, there would be showings of documentaries, etc.

So I think that it would be fantastic if Tommy stayed in media and in activism. Arguably, is Tommy Robinson the best activist Britain's ever had? Or is he one of them on the socially conservative right? Come on, that's got to be applauded. And as I'm on record as saying, the guy deserves a knighthood for his work in media, his work in activism and enraging against the machine.

And saying things, I remember question time appearances, going back over 10 years ago, street level activity, all of this, all of this takes from you. It's all, I mean, we thrive off of it, we love it, but he's given an awful lot to the country to expose issues around Islamism. I don't have the same views on Islam as he does. A lot of patriots on the socially conservative right have very different views about Islam, but we're all united with regards to the fight against radical Islam, jihadi,

the Islamic caliphate, Islamist extremists, for example. And he's done an awful lot to say to the British public and to the mainstream media and to the establishment, I'm not going to stop fighting. He's brave, he's courageous, and that should be rewarded. Keep going with activism and keep going with media. as ever, you know, the ultimate reward and thank you from Britain would be a knighthood, right? How typical is this? The left in this country are trying to suggest that the new UKIP logo is something it's not. And this is spreading right across the mainstream media with headlines like this. UKIP's, it's questionable new logo. It's definitely giving.

off a certain vibe and a hard left comedian Jonathan Pye going totally viral and directly comparing the logo to that of the Nazi party. Well, UK leader, Nick Tenconi is here today and will respond to those claims. But let me take you through what the party has officially said on this. Responding, our new logo features the Holy Lance, the Eucharist and the cross for Hague to show UKIP's commitment to reinstate Christianity into the heart of government. They say it's a powerful Christian symbol that symbolizes spiritual victory and sacrifice. It has been featured throughout British history and is used as the Victoria Cross sits on the crown of our monarch and is also found within the parliamentary logo. Our critics suggesting that the king, parliament, and our war heroes are all Nazis. It is outright offensive, ignorant and christophobic to suggest that the cross is a Nazi symbol.

We will not allow our faith in heritage to be smeared and advise critics to educate themselves on history. But not everyone happy with the logo on the right. Conservative Albi Ammancona saying you have designed an awful logo. Try again. It's not christophobic or anti-British. It's just shite. Proud, British, monochist, Christian here. So Nick Tenconi, I mean, this shows you how low the left stoop,

but it is constant and it is consistent. isn't it? Everything for them has to be Nazi. But can you just explain to everyone the thinking behind this new logo? Certainly. You said, sorry, you were quoting from whoever the comedian is or was. It was giving off a vibe. It is giving off a vibe. It's giving off crusader vibes. And the Electoral Commission aren't happy. Well, no, technically they're very happy because they expect this from us, but they're not happy to publish it, which is the point. And we do need to talk about the selection of the cross. So for those of you who don't know, and why would

you, the investigation into different types of crosses is fascinating, I think. I would say that, because I'm biased, but I think it's fascinating. And even though I knew a bit in this time of last year when we began the project, which took 10 months, I've thoroughly enjoyed learning about all the different types of crosses. So item number one, there are, there are so many different types of crosses related to the Christian faith. And there's a reason why there are so many different types of crosses. So all of this is fairly self-explanatory. So we decided that it'd have to be a symmetrical cross. So if you take out the crosses, which aren't not symmetrical as such, but it's equal, All four corners are equal.

That leaves, takes out quite a few of them. And it leaves, one of them is the cross patting, which is what you see in front of you. Now, there are comparisons made with the cross patty and the Victoria Cross, for example, which most people know that's awarded to men and women for outstanding bravery. You've also got the cross patty specifically

along the lines of what I'm talking about, but slightly thicker bridges, east and west, north and south, on the parliamentary logo as well with the chains and the drawbridge. You've also got the cross patty, again, slightly thicker bridges on the arms as such, on the crown of jewels at the top and at the base. So if I open up, for example, if I open up this, you will see, again, lots of religious texts, you will see the cross patty use. If I go to church service in my parish,

you on religious literature, things you're given, you will see that. And then if you're just driving around, and for your audience, driving around looking at various churches, you will always see that type of cross. I'm not talking about the Salvation Army, the Red Cross. I'm not talking about that,

which is basically a plus sign. I'm talking about the specific, not beveled as such, but as you've rightly, as you've shown. There you go, that's great. So with the Victoria Cross there, you've got sharp edges and then obviously with other images that use essentially across patty you've got various different types of edges and how thin the arms are and the north and south

piece of it. So this is what I want to say to your audience and to the Patriots. If you have, if you see something and you think to yourself, I don't know, I don't like that, right, well obviously you must educate yourself with regards to what's going on because everything's being done for a reason. The vast majority of people are absolutely fine with it and we're, fairly disgusted that the electoral commission have rejected our first logo. The reason why they did that is because they've quote, and I quote, they've said it's mobilizing and militaristic. Absolutely correct. It's mobilizing. We're a political organization taking our country back from establishment, traitors, those stooges, corruption, injustice, and it's militaristic.

Well, we're a G7 nuclearized country. So, and yeah, of course it's militaristic. might keeps everybody safe and it protects our sovereign borders so that they've rejected it. That's the story so far. And in closing, lastly, Dan, I have acquiesced and I've said, fine, we will change the logo ever so slightly, which is what you see now and we're not moving. The logo is now, it was explicitly Christian, but I've changed it from what it was and I've removed an item, which means now you have the Holy Cross, you have the Holy Lance, and you have have the Eucharist, which is obviously our Lord as well. So it is an explicitly Christian logo.

And I'll respond. I think you mentioned, was it Albi, the G.B. News. Is he G.B. News. X.G.B. News. And Jonathan Pye, too. But, but yeah, respond to them individually. This is what Albi said. Thank you. Yeah, that's it. I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Obviously, look, he's a no one and nobody cares. and he's the sort of guy who will always, he'll always pipe up and say,

I'm a, I'm a Christian, I'm this, I'm that, I'm the other, et cetera, et cetera. I'm not in the least bit concerned

with you telling me what you are and what you are. You either are and you have a contrite heart and you're following the sacraments or you're not. So I'm not really interested in that. I think he's also, he's used a curse word there as well. Now,

we all swear, and that's not good, but he's deliberately chosen to put it in there whilst lauding himself as a Christian. and I also know things about Albi where I probably, I probably watch it if I were him. So I'm not concerned about him. And he always pipes up with his little lefty comments as well.

I have met him. I've spoken to him. I'm not impressed. But this is the sort of thing, Dan, to sort of wrap up on it. And it is important for the Patriots to know where they stand. But to your point, that we are hovering over the target, Dan.

We are always hovering over the target. The party, myself, the team. We are always hovering over the target. target. I was asked in my space, my monthly spaces last night, was it a media stunt to do it, or was it genuine? Absolutely genuine. It's the logo. We've acquiesced once to the Electoral Commission who hold way too much power, by the way, which is another story altogether. We are sticking with that logo, regardless of what they come back with. We are stepping over subversives. We're stepping over the communist calling socially conservative Christians, Nazis. We're stepping

over our political opponents. That's right. Even on the right, we have the same vitriol and levels of subversion and sabotage, sorry to say it, but it's true we do. It's not just our political enemies, but our political opponents. Then there's the establishment and the intelligence services. We are stepping over these people and we are saying, when we say we're taking our country back and reinstating Christianity back into the heart of government, we mean it. That cross does the business and it tells everybody what they need to know. We are facing our cross and we are facing our Lord.

The work we do is indeed for the glory of God. And I guess it's worth looking at the old UKIP logo, which was of course associated, particularly with the Nigel Farage era. And I guess it just shows you how much politically things have changed. Obviously, at that point, the big battle was about EU and obviously keeping the pound. But I guess there's something very different happening now. So is this also a split from the UKIP of old? Yes.

Thank you, Dan. That's basically the nail on the head. So number one, how glorious is this that we're doing this? We're putting that type of cross with the Holy Lance and the Eucharist. We're putting that in front of, you know, as you said, it's gone mega viral, but we haven't even got started yet. So how glorious is that? But how sad, as you say, the juxtaposition between a man like, I never like Nigel under U-Kip. I don't know why. I think he's, I think he's, he's still, he's

still got the same political ideology, but I think he's matured. It's taken a long time, but I think he's grown in, I think I prefer him now from back then, but there was nothing wrong with the purple and the gold, by the way. That stays, and we've got some white and black stuff going on as well, but the purple is our official colour, to be absolutely clear. But that contrasts there. So we were fighting for Brexit, and Ben Habib said this earlier. everyone who backed Nigel and it was part of the UKIP and the UKIP schism into the Brexit party. It was all about Brexit. It was all about immigration. But it wasn't about immigration like it is now. Guys, we've gone even further than that. We are saying, in context, to wrap this up

nicely, in context of Ben creating advance, in context of Rupert saying that he needs to take the weekend to think about it. I personally don't know what on earth you need more time to think about, but we'll hold a good thought. How sad is it? We've gone from, we want out. This is real politicking now, like very complicated with regards to leaving Europe. Wait, we actually want control over our sovereign borders. Now we're talking about immigration, proper immigration, five to ten million being deported and the subject of remigration. More than that, this is a holy war. This is a crusade and only the one true faith can fight against such subversion, wickedness and abominations. So glorious.

and also how sad and how much we can learn from that as well is what I would say to that, Dan. Nick Tenconi, very well put, strong defence of your new logo. And I totally agree. I mean, this is just the deep state at play, isn't it? How dare the Electoral Commission be able to say what you want your logo to be anyway? It just shows you how much constantly the deep state, the snivel service, the blob in Britain, is constantly working to undermine patriots in every single. single way, but I think you've put up a very good fight there. Nick Tenconi, leader of you.

I could always love having you on outspoken. Thank you so much. But now it is time for the second part of my uncanncled interview with Australia's next Prime Minister, Pauline Hanson. Pauline, I want to talk about that incredible moment in the Senate. This was before the Bondi beach attack, but it went viral all across the world. You in a burqa. Watch this. President, a dress code might be a choice of the senators, but racism should not be the choice of this Senate.

This is a racist senator displaying blatant racism in Islamophobia president. And you someone should pull her up on that. Senator Farooke. And it is you in the chair. You should be pulling her up on that. Pauling, doesn't the reaction show you why the left actually hate the West, why they're lost?

Because I'm trying to get my head around it. You're racist. You're Islamophobic for wearing a burqa, which they claim is completely fine for millions of women all around the world to be forced to wear, leaving their house with only their eyes on display, And trust me, Pauline, if you go to Whitechapel station in London, one of previously the most iconic sites in our capital, that is all you see.

And do not tell me that these women are choosing to be subjugated in that manner. So can you just explain to me in some detail? Because of course, this was a huge moment for you. It went viral all around the world. What you were thinking. I just want to know your motivation. I completely agree with it and I completely understand it, but talk to me about your motivation for this stunt. I first wore it in seven years ago, eight years ago, 2019, and there was no dress code in the Senate.

And I thought, well, let's get a dress code and whether or could have it banned from the parliament before we ever get anyone elected to the parliament wants to wear it. Well, I was ridiculed over wearing it at that time. And so it was in my cupboard for that eight years. So when I put up my private members bill to actually bring in a private member's bill to ban the burqa and full face coverings in Australia, they wouldn't allow me to introduce the bill.

So I thought, okay, if I can't introduce the bill, you don't want to debate it, you just want to shut me down. So if you have no problems with banning the burker, then I'll go and put it on. So I went up to my office, grabbed it out of the cupboard, and I put it on. My staff were looking at me,

thought, what the hell is she doing? So anyway, they got shock, horror. My other centre is saying, hold on a minute, we better hurry up down and see what's going on. In the meantime, when I walked through that door, the bells were ringing. Our division was happening.

So when I walked in and sat down, a division was happening. So anyway, no one could actually, leave the chamber. And of course, that Marine Fruki, she's the one that I'm going through a legal case at the moment because she made some derogatory marks with regards to our country on the death of the queen. The day the dot queen died. Oh, no way. What does she say? Well, she basically said, condolences about the death of queen, but I can't, just basically, I can't, something about the queen, you know, who was head of an empire of a racist nation. And, and, you know, and, you know,

and, you know, who should have on stolen land from the Aboriginals. Oh. So anyway, she made this comment. This is this one who made the comment. So the one that we just saw said that about the queen. Correct. She's she migrated from Pakistan. So anyway, she's now a senator.

So I responded to her in a tweet. And I basically at the end of the tweet, you know, and I said, well, everything that she's actually achieved in Australia, and apparently you're not happy here, so may I suggest you, P.O. back to Pakistan. Well, I've now gone through the legal system. She's charged me under racial discrimination of 18C. I lost the first case. I've just gone through an appeal at the moment,

and waiting for that decision to be handed down. Now, she's a senator and I'm a senator. So anyway, it's going to be interesting what the decision comes down to. But under Section 8, you can see of the racial discrimination. You can't offend, harass, intimidated. And I can't think of the other one of anyone. So she's taken me to court over that. It's, yeah, so anyway, there's not a really good work and relationship between us.

Not at least. to say the least. You know, she wears the CAFIA in parliament all the time. She's in the practice. She basically hates the Jews. And that's evident in some of the posts and what she's put up. And I just feel that, you know, I'm standing my ground on an issue here. So because I wore the burqa, I refuse to take it off.

I refuse to leave the parliament. They had to shut down the parliament for an hour and a half. and so then to come to the decision and when they resumed the next day, I was then banned from Parliament for seven sitting days because I would not leave the Parliament to take it off. And you gave a press conference that went all across the globe. Watch this.

And when they denied me that right to ban the burqa, well if you don't want to ban the burker, then I'll go and put it on. And that's exactly what I did. And that even upset them more. So you don't want to ban it, but you don't want to be wearing it. Are you aware of any incident in Australia?

It's not about incidents. You know, it's not about incidents. It's the same thing as what I put up about climate change or I've put up about immigration policy, and I've spoken against multiculturalism. It's having a vision for the future where the country's headed. Do you think it should be banned?

The burqa? Oh, most definitely. I have not given up on it, Dan. I'm going to continue with this. You know, the burqa is controlled by men of Islamic belief, and it's about controlling the women. And women have got to the stage, okay, well, we're at it. You know what?

I got a letter from this Iranian group in Australia of women, and they congratulated me on my stance. They said, we've actually left this persecution of women, and we're now in Australia, but we've got family and friends still in Iran that are fighting this. Why do you think the protests in Iran at the moment where women are burning the hijab because they've been controlled and they've gotten by the men? And then you have other issues, female issues, that the men are controlling of the women. And I think it's wrong.

And I ask the question, where are all the feminists in this country? Why aren't they standing up to support these women to get rid of the burqa? They're controlled by men. Female genital mutilation, that is quite evident here in Australia as well. And, you know, we're getting Sharia law in some of these suburbs and they know what's happening. There are things that are encroaching not in Australia that's happened in Britain, but you're so far ahead of us. Well, we are. I mean, we now have mainstream TV presenters, Paulie.

Mainstream TV presenters on ITV. where I used to work. You know, ITV used to be the working class channel. We've now got this guy Adel Ray and Islamist, mainstream TV presenter advocating for the introduction of Shari Elor. Saying Shari Elor isn't actually a bad thing. It's nuts. But, Pauline, in Australia, what I noticed is there's a lot.

I described them as the Kaffir Karans. And it's the white women, Pauline. It's these middle class white women of Sydney who were in their kaffirs marching over Sydney Harbour Bridge along, the Islamists. Gadsad describes it as suicidal empathy. How do you explain it? Like, what is it about the middle-class white women of Australia who seem to be siding with these Islamists nutters? I think what's happened over the years with society that we haven't built in resilience into our younger generation coming through. And resilience, you know, empathy, yes, I agree

with empathy, but we haven't built in to be realistic with that empathy. So, you know, if we have the utopian world, the people of the attitude, I'll let people do whatever they want to do. That's fine. That's no problems. But that's not the world that we live in, and it will never be, because people will always try and overpower you, control you and tell you what to do. So then you have those people that are so, um, and much.

over these issues, they have no strength within themselves to have an opinion or stand up and really, you know, fight back. So they just cat out all this and go along with the flow and to feel that they're being embraced by other Australians who possibly feel the same way as they do. People are frightened to be pointed out and to say, oh, well, I don't want to be called racist. I don't want to be called that I'm Islamophobic. So I must go along with it. I'm going to shut down and not say anything. And the real people that make them damage in this country are those activists that are dead set.

We're going to go after you. We're going to ridicule. We're going to call your names. We're going to have a go at you. We're going to make you back down. So until we get in the educational system to the kids when they're young, building them resilience and common sense policies and tell them how to stand up and fight for themselves

and have an opinion and stand by your own. opinions, you know, this is the problem that we have. 100%. And pulling to conclude the story, 20 days later. Exactly 20 days after Australia is up in arms and you're being called racist and Islamophobic. Guess what happens? A father and son Islamic scumbag duo, go to Bondi Beach, brutally massacre 15 Australians. Of course, they did so because they were Jewish. And it's like, are you going to wake up now? 20 days between those two incidents. Pauline, has anyone who criticized you for your Burka stunt apologized? Has anyone in power? Any of these Kaffir Karen's admitted they got this wrong given what happened at Bondi?

Not anyone that are prominence that I can call to mine. But the general... I've had the general... I've come up to me when I'm walking the streets and say, I owe you an apology. I was always anti you. Now I understand your message what you've been trying to say. And people say she's been warning us for decades, right from the beginning.

She's been warning us that this would happen. So, you know, I don't want to say I told you so because I don't want to see the death of people to happen in this country, my fellow Australians, their death, their pain, their suffering to say, I told you so. That's not what it's about. It's about to actually understand

and bring the people on the journey with me, my vision, what I see for Australia, what needs to be done. We have to take back control of our country. The Islamist and peace culture that is incompatible with our country, they're not welcome here as far as I'm concerned. I don't want it here. And not all Muslims are like that. There are a lot of Muslims here that want to have that life and peace and harmony

and they've left these countries for this decent way of life. But those people want to be on the streets, those preachers, spreading their hate and to keep preaching. And even in this inquiry that we've got going at the moment, the federal police did admit that children have increased in radicalisation over the last couple of years since what happened in Israel in 2023. So we do have problems there. So this legislation the government is trying to bring in

is not about dealing with that. It's about shutting people like myself down Australians from showing pride and who we are. are in our culture and flying the flag. And, you know, it's about shutting us down from that freedom of speech. And that's what I'm going to oppose this bill because it's so wrong on Australians. They're not, they haven't got the guts. Our prime minister hasn't got the guts to even refer to the fundamentalist Islam terrorist

attack. That's the real problem here. And as long as they keep bringing in these people from other countries, that are incompatible with our culture and way of life, we will always have a problem here in Australia. But hopefully, if One Nation grow in the numbers and we get the numbers on the floor of Parliament, I will fight to oppose this.

I want them out of the country. I will stop them coming in from certain countries and will have tighter restrictions on our immigration levels coming into Australia. Well, look, I think you're an absolute hero, Pauline. Of course, the leader of one nation. It's really interesting for me because I grew up in New Zealand, as a lot of people know. And as a teenager in New Zealand, you were the devil and calm it. You know, I would make my trips to Australia.

And we were taught at school. You know, Pauline Hanson was the worst person in Australia. There were pop songs about you. I mean, people do not understand the gaslighting and emotional manipulation. that went on by the Australian state, deep state, I call it, you know, the Australian mainstream media to present you, Pauline, as an enemy really. And I'm so glad that even though it is in the most terrible of circumstances, Australians are waking up. I guess I understand having seen that campaign against you, especially why young people,

people maybe got the wrong impression, especially when they imprisoned you. Do you know what I mean? But people are waking up. And I think that's the great thing, right, about independent media. You know, I spent 30 years in the mainstream media, but the mainstream media no longer tells the truth. People are waking up to that. They don't believe what the media tell them.

Because I've got such a big following on my Facebook page, I've got 850,000 people now that follow me. So it's the highest of any politician. even higher than that of the Prime Minister. I love that. So my connection with the general public now is grown substantially, so people getting the message from me directly and not by the media. And I don't trust the media.

I'm very skeptical of media and what media I do. It's taken me a long time to build up the trust and confidence of the Australian people and I don't intend to let some media outlet destroy that in a heartbeat. And like I said, my heart. heart, my concern is for my country and my fellow Australians to give them that decent standard of living and way of life. I will not curtail to any other country or people and I won't sell out for who we are as a nation. I respect the men and women that have fought and died for our freedom and democracy that is something to cherish and although they've lost their lives.

My job is to carry it on on the floor of Parliament to continue their fight for a democracy and that freedom of speech. And I will do that, although my life is still wrong the line, but my job is at the heart for to maintain what they lost their lives over. Well, Pauline Hanson, please keep fighting. Australia needs you, but actually this is a bigger fight. You know, this is a fight for the West now. It really is.

And what happened in Mondaya a month ago was horrendous, but it has provided one of those salient wake-up calls. I hope that Australia isn't like the United Kingdom. Remember, I was on the tube on the 7th of July, 2005. You know, the United Kingdom, we had our wake-up calls, and we ignored them. I really hope, and I pray that Australia doesn't do the same. But Pauline Hansen, thank you so much for being here on Outspoken.

It is a great honour to speak to you. I am now. A big supporter, Pauline, thank you so much. Oh, I love that woman. Absolutely love that woman. Australia's next Prime Minister, I hope, Pauline Hansen, leader of One Nation, thank you so much. And of course, today, it's a Friday.

So we are going to reveal the worst Britain in the world this week. This is when we put your union jackasses from across the week head to head on Monday. It was Bushra Shake for, you know, a constant, constant race-baiting. support of the Islamist Iranian regime. Tuesday was Nigel Farage, which is an interesting one, isn't it? He doesn't usually feature, but of course it was because of the Nadim Sahawi defection

to Reform UK. Wednesday, Cypri Starma for his battle with Elon Musk and Thursday, Shibhanimamam Amud, for completely losing control of the British police. Lots of feedback from you coming in. J.P. Cole says Nigel Farage for saying that there will be an amnesty. for illegals who are now living in this country. I want them all out now. He didn't say that, did he? But I understand why you feel that way, because of course the person who said it is Nadim Zahawi, who is welcomed into his party. So how can he separate himself from those views?

Pablo Boy, 64691 says, Farage is the ultimate populist who plays brilliantly on public sentiment and poses one of the biggest threats to Great Britain. What's worse is that people don't take lessons from the past and believe that this man will be a great prime minister. But Gary Warren says it will always be Stama until he resigns in a new puppet is installed. Mali 903-7 says Stama every soliding day. There's something and I know we all joke about this guy, but he is dangerous and I reckon we'd be shocked if we knew his full story. Totally agree.

Very good point, Mali, comment of the week. And from Stuart G2R on Stama says, worked diligently to get Abdel Fattar back into the country but forgot to check his Twitter account. Stama gets my vote. Well, look, we've already had 60,000 votes from you. That is extraordinary. Thank you so much. And the results are clear.

I'm going to be honest with you. The results are clear. In fourth position, Bush Reshake with 2% of the vote. We have a joint runner-up in Nigel Farage and Shabana Mahmood with 5% of your vote. But with an overwhelming 88% of your vote, the worst Britain in the world. this week is slippery stammer. Thank you so much for your company all week here on outspoken.

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