Dan Wootton Outspoken - RUPERT LOWE'S RESTORE BRITAIN FIRST EVER ELECTION DEBATE VS NIGEL FARAGE'S REFORM UK & GREENS

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

Everyone knows British politics has been re-shaped forever. The two party system is finished. The uniparty has been destroyed. The Conservatives and Labour deserve to become extinct after working hard to ignore the democratic wishes of the British people for generations. But what it is replaced with remains up in the air? While the MSM focuses on the old parties, the dead parties, the career politicians, because it suits them to try and save the status quo, here on Outspoken we are focussing on the future. So ahead of a crucial and potentially historic set of elections we are bringing you the first ever debate between: -Zack Polanski and Mothin Ali’s surging Green Party represented by their candidate Fahima Mahomed -Rupert Lowe’s new Restore Britain, which is standing candidates only in Great Yarmouth next month, represented by their spokesperson for the safety of women and children Orla Minihane -Nigel Farage’s poll leading Reform UK represented by their Soho representative James Bembridge The Unite the Kingdom Freedom of Speech Event will be held on May 16th 2026 in central London. To support the event, please visit utkevents.com/support-us Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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presents Laura versus fruit flies. Swarming your fruit and terrorizing your kitchen. These little freaks multiply at a rate that would make a rabbit say, yo, chill. But Laura shopped on Amazon and saved on cleaning spray, countertop wipes and fly traps. Hey, fruit flies, your baby boom ends here. Save the Every Day with Amazon. No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is a special edition of outspoken episode number 476. So everyone knows British politics has been reshaped forever. The two-party system is finished. The Uniparty is destroyed. The Conservatives and Labor, most of us probably agree, deserve to become extinct after working hard. to ignore the democratic wishes of the British people for generations. But what it is replaced with

remains up in the air. And one thing that I guarantee is that in this dramatic reshaping, three parties are going to play an outsized role. While the MSM focuses on the old parties, the dead parties, the career politicians, because it suits them to try and stave the status quo, here on outspoken, we are looking to the future. So ahead of a crucial and potentially historic set of elections next month, we are bringing you the first ever three-way debate between Zach Polanski and Mothan Ali's Surging Green Party, Rupert Lowe's New Restore Britain, which is standing candidates only in Great Yarmouth next month. And Nigel Farage's poll leading Reform UK.

So I'm very excited about this. We will also announce this week's Unite the Kingdom Greatest Britain at the end of the show, plus the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow, continues as normal over on Substack. That's at www.outspoken.org. But get ready for this. It's a big one. Let's go. Mass immigration is destroying Britain. You could argue mass immigration has destroyed Britain. From the small boat crossings full of illegals to the ferocious flood of legal migration as a result of the Boris wave that saw the infiltration skyrocket after we left the European Union.

Voters continue to be betrayed despite making our voices heard so many times. So many times. Election after election. Our nation is being colonised, folks. that we are in the last chance saloon to turn it around. The elections on May the 7th will give us a good indication of which political party has a chance of wielding power come the general election in 2029, maybe earlier, and that is going to be an election responsible for tackling this issue. So which party of the three that are going to shape the future of British politics would be best at getting immigration under control. Let's clash on that now. To represent Restore Britain, I'm joined by their spokeswoman for the safety of women and children, Alla Minnie Hayne. To represent

the Green Party is their candidate for Hema Muhammad. And to represent Reform UK is their candidate, James Bembridge. So for the first part of the clash, I'm going to let all three of you put forward your case. Alla many, Hayne, you have one minute. How would Restore Britain get immigration under control? Restore Britain's policy is very clear. We will deport every solitary illegal migrant that has come to this country illegally by that, whether that's by a small boat, whether it's on the back of a lorry, whatever means they decided to come over.

And we will also look at anybody that's outstayed their visa that is here on a student visa that is overstayed that. So simply anybody that does not have the right to be here, also people that are not, we will be looking at people that are not contributing to this country. There are millions of people that are here that have come who have come as economic migrants who do not bring anything to the table, culturally, socially,

economically. And we will be looking at them and we will be discussing and revisiting their right to stay and whether or not they should be deported. Fahima, Mohammed, one minute. How will the Green Party deal with this economic crisis caused by mass immigration? Firstly, I'd like to reframe the fact that mass immigration does not actually cause the economic crisis to begin with. So again, the Greens are not actually thinking in those terms. They're thinking about better processes, making sure that immigration is dealt with humanely.

And according to the existing human rights, refugee laws, international laws, and everything that, even if it was to be taken away, we'll take decades to do and revisit. But in the meantime, we are not looking at the past. We're being present and moving forward and the future. And that's the Green Party's position as to majority of people that are here that are the actual framework of the United Kingdom at this very moment in time, who can move forward with integration, with better processes. And already, since even 2024, migration has slipped. down half, and we do need to understand that that is without inhumane policies and also making people...

Okay, for Hima. Your minutes up to be continued. James Bainbridge, one minute on how Reform UK will solve the mass immigration crisis. Well, reform is the only party that shall. They will freeze non-essential immigration. Stop the boats on day one. Aim for five flights deporting illegal immigrants per day. Stop indefinite leave to remain.

have absolutely no benefits for illegals. And that's about it really, yeah. So you can sum it up in 30 seconds. That's what you're going to do. Okay, good work. Brevity, brevity, that. Look, can we just be honest about this for Hema? You don't want to stop mass immigration, do you?

The Green Party is advocating for open borders. Now, you didn't say that in your little pitch, but I've heard your leaders say that. So can't you just be honest about it? You want more mass immigration. It's no such thing as open borders. There has to be a process and it has to be faster. We need to make sure that when people are coming in,

we are in line with what the other allies also expect with us. When it comes to, you know, asylum seekers, when it comes to even economic minds. Why, that's in us terrorists. That's seen in us rapists. The process faster so we can accept them faster. I think not. That is just something that you're saying,

which is now brushing everyone under the same carpet. It is not fair to say that people are sending us. us terrorists. Even if there's just but one terrorists, we can't have them in this country. I understand, but because of that one, you want to punish everyone and you want to do it in vain. I want to keep Britain safe. It is never going to be safe even

if you take away all of them. Because at the end of the day, it is not about safety which only belongs to one particular group and culture or background. It is everyone, unfortunately, that has that trait when it comes to that. It is not about immigration as bringing it in, unfortunately.

For him, do you know the story of Riannon? I know the story of many people and I'm not taking away from those stories. I work with victims. I work with even ex-offenders. I work in the justice system. It's not like as if to say that it's not known. Well, Ola Manny Hayne is now the head of that foundation. Yes. Ola, we've had Chauvonne in this studio. Her daughter was stabbed 23 times by an illegal. who had arrived in the country via a small boat just weeks ago. Yeah. And Fahima seems to be dismissing via screencriber.

Absolutely not dismissing it. That's incorrect. And in fairness, in fairness, I think it's really important that we give her an opportunity, sorry, Bahima an opportunity to put her point across. I think that's really important. When you mean allies, who are you referring to? I'm talking about the UK is not just micro-country. We have Europeans that are allied with us.

We have foreign policies. We are part of a group and a system. It is not just only the UK, even though we are sovereign. So we have these laws in order to keep us so we can be safe. So my point would be on that. We voted Brexit. So that's another failure of Brexit, in my opinion. However, that's another story for another day.

My view is very simple. We have, since Labor came in, and let's put aside the Tories for the moment, because that's another shambolic situation for us to deal with. But since Labor came in, it is now nearly 70,000 men, men that have come over to the UK but on small boats. Even if 1% of those men, 1%, which is highly unlikely, are rapists or sex offenders or murderers.

Terrorist, drug pushes, child traffickers. And a lot of them, remember, have been deported or deported or exploited or exporters. from other countries across Europe and have come here because we're an easy touch. Now, whilst I respect your view on migration and I respect your view that not everybody's the same, there are still far, far too many that are coming over here that are undocumented, unscreened, we have no idea about their past, we've got no idea about what they're capable of, and that is too many. But by that logic, I feel that, again, we are.

are now going to be punishing the mass and the whole for not having actual processes that need. There's delays. We talk about process. There's no process. If they have no identification, how can you process them? But that's the whole point. They don't know who they are.

They do have their prints taken. They do have processes in place. We won't have their prints in this country. They've just arrived. What's the point of finger printing? Just quickly, back to the Rianan situation. The guy that murdered Rianan had already, we know, we don't know the details

because again, nobody can quantify who he is where he came from. And he could say that his name's Joe Bloggs, we don't know. We do know, based on the Prince and based on other DNA, etc., that he committed two crimes in Germany and then he went on to commit another crime

which we think was in Belgium and then he came here. We don't know the extent of those crimes because simply we can't identify who he was. But he was obviously a savage psychopath to do what he did. Now, the point is that, and I understand, I don't agree, but I understand your standpoint on this,

but surely we cannot have a situation where we are just accepting these men, 99% of them are men, and say that that's okay because we will process them in the right way. We can't process them because you are correct. They come in, what can we process them on? We have no way to process them. We have intelligence. We do.

have, even we had more of that when we were with Brexit, I mean, outside the EU. So at the end of the day, I feel that when we have allies to assist us, and because now we are not part of us, exactly, because of Brexit. And I feel, I do, but even still, I feel there is still some discontent about the fact that we are outside the EU. Okay, so they're punishing us. I do feel that to an extent. I agree. But it's also, you can't take these people out their word to believe them, everyone in the Middle East is gay. You know, they come here and they say they're gay. I was going to say all that.

I mean, we see, but look. No, but I just think it's a false, you know, sort of equivalence with regards to omit horrific cases, and that needs to be, you know, brushed for every single one. This is not how a democracy works. We don't have crimes in this country, even with people that are here or not here, where we say that now it's all men, so should we put them all in that? But our duty is to our own.

Citizens. Two things. Two things. First of all, I do agree with the fact that you're saying that the EU are punishing us. I do believe that. And I do believe that they've got very, very, you know, they're very bitter about it. And what they're doing is saying, do you know what? Let them deal.

Let them deal with it. Because there is absolutely zero, zero effort to control what is coming over here. Even though they're being paid vast amounts of money, which is immoral, going to what you say about a democracy, we're not a democracy. No, we're not a democracy. say everything, if we were a democracy. I think Restore doesn't want it to be a democracy. I do believe that reform is partly that,

but also making it where there are certain people. Democracy, democracy is when you vote for something and that vote, which was the majority of the popular, the majority of the electorate that voted for Brexit, and it has not been delivered. That's not democracy. Well, that's happened with most parties, to be fair. You can't say that any party has actually come into power

and everyone's been 100% or even, you know, 80%, you know, really, really happy with everything that's right. Well, that's why we're saying we didn't have democracy. So at the same time, at the same time, democracy doesn't work as in everyone is going to get what they want. It is the majority vote. But they are going to be... But for Hema. They own things. For Hema, excuse me, because what I feel is going on here is that Ola and James are being honest about what the policy position is.

And I don't think you are being honest about the Green Party. policy because the Green Party migration policy, I've actually got it in front of me here. So let's just go through it because you said to me that you don't want open borders. This is the start of the Green Party migration policy. I'm not making this up. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders. Do you not understand? That's your policy.

Do you not understand that they are going to do it like how it is for Ukraine, for example, coming in and they're still going to be vetted. They're still going to be a process. No one's just going to come in like that. There's no country in the world that allows it. But you can't do it if you don't know how they are. Okay. Well, let's just...

That's how it is. So if they're coming through an actual legal route and open it up for them, they will be vetted. They will see that. You want to see a world without borders. That means we have no country. Your party is advocating for the abolition of our country.

And I just want you to be honest about that. No, it's not. That's in black and white. No, you're taking it completely wrong. That open borders means there's going to be a legal route so that they can come in be processed like it was for the Ukrainians. But, they can't be processed. They can't be processed. They can't be processed.

They can't be processed. They can't if they're going through the bait. Because they're throwing it, for example. That's the system right now. Okay. Well, look, this is important. This is important. Because what you seem to be saying is that your policy is not what your policy says is not what you're advocating for.

I just want to go through it. The Green Party wants... They should clarify it then. What's an open board does mean? Let's just go through it. Zach Polensky has clarified exactly what I've said. Okay, but there's more because look at this. Minimum income requires removed for all applicants.

Language requirements removed for all applicants. All arrivals to the UK without a visa will be granted a visitor visa. Visa residents are defined as migrants. Because they don't see them as criminals when they come in. All visa residents will have a right to vote in all elections. Access to the NHS will be free. and comprehensive. All no recourse to public fund conditions

will be abolished. All visa residents will be able to apply for settled status after five years. All children born in the UK are automatically British citizens. Undocumented migrants will be given free advice and support to help them regularise their status and then they will be applying

us to invite for apply for settled status. So what you're effectively saying for Hema is anyone who arrives in this country. This is my translation of the reading of your policy, anyone who arrives in this country, via any means, doesn't matter whether it's legal or illegal doesn't matter if they are a criminal. According to this policy, I'm literally reading your policy. And at least the EU is allowed to stay.

Can I respond? It's like anyone entering the country, you do not associate them as if they're criminals or guilty first. That's what everyone else is doing in this room right now. They are just assuming that everyone, no, it's not. Yes, it is. It's with one or two examples, or even if it's 10 or 15, you cannot do that with all. Even if it isn't going to be one or shouldn't be one.

At the end of the day, you are just generalising everyone on those cases. That's basically it. Okay, let's put aside. Let's put aside the fact that, let's put aside all criminal activities. Let's put aside personalities. Let's put aside characteristics, all of those sides, all of those things. The numbers, the sheer numbers of people, who's going to pay for them? Who's going to pay for it all?

We're full. Not everyone is going to be allowed. It just says they are, though, dolly. It just says they are. Because not every country allows people in the way you think. They have to have a process. There's no such thing. If they weren't allowed, how do you get rid of them?

Where would you send them to the Green Party? Where would we send them to? They are doing exactly what we are right now. But you said some won't be allowed. Some won't be allowed. Because of their backgrounds. Because of maybe they were being criminals. But Femmy, you don't have.

You don't have a choice. The rapists, the terrorists, come in on the boats. You cannot call them rapists and terrorists. Oh, I can. Oh, I can. No, you are. But that's wrong. I will.

Say it again. Well, you might say it's wrong. But you know what I say for Hema? That is the suicidal empathy that has screwed this country up. That has screwed this country up. Come on. You fit the profile of the, you know, the actual person who is probably a groomer or a pedophile in this country.

What? That's how it is. No, because of a white. middle-aged man, whatever it may be. Okay. So that's wrong to say in the first place. I cannot profile you in that way, just like how you're profiling everyone else.

That's completely, again, okay, but you haven't answered the question. We haven't answered the question. Again, let's take the fact away that Dan is a, uh, Pete, I'm joking. An obvious rumor, obvious danger, yeah. Let's take aside personality. I mean, just look at a smile. Okay, listen, listen, let's take away a side.

All of, let's just talk about bodies, okay? Let's put them all as blonde hair, blue, blue, Christian, angelic angels, put them all the same. Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands. Where are they going to go? Who's going to pay for them? Where are they going to live? How are they going to go and get energy?

Because everyone that comes in does not, in the first instance, does not work or contribute. Well, that's where the Green Party is going to allow them to work. Well, okay, but first, doing what? Doing what? They're all doctors and engineers. That's not a generalisation. No, let's be sensible. Let's be sensible.

I'm here to generalise. Let's be, no, let's be sensible. Let's say that in the greatest, with the greatest will in the world, these people are all productive, intelligent, they've got a skill. Let's make them all this fabulous, you know, human beings. Even if they come here, the first day, they are not going to walk into a house and have a clothes and put a suit on and go to a job, or not a suit, whatever, and go to a job and start contributing to the economy.

it's not realistic. So in the best scenario... That's your scenario. No, no, no. What I'm saying is to you, even in the best scenario, that can't happen. If I was to go,

and I'm a skilled person with loads of experience, I could get on a plane and go, it's going to take a period of time before I will be able to contribute to the country I go to. That's a simple fact. So if all these,

if we've got open borders, they are going to be a cost to society, even if they have every intention of working, there's still that initial cost to society. We are back. We are bankrupt. We are not bankrupt. We are not bankrupt.

We are not bankrupt. I work in the city. We are bankrupt. We are not bankrupt. We should be bankrupt, but we're not. What do you mean we should be bankrupt? Because of everything that's happening across the globe. We need to be punished. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

It's may come to that. Oh, well, I don't want to talk about the Middle East, right? The Middle East Conventus. Let's talk about basic economic economics in this country. Do you not understand? Our micro problems do begin with the macro level of this world. People are not going to not just come here because, you know, we can't allow them. We don't want them.

There are reasons for foreign policy, for the things that have happened even decades and generations of laws. Not really, no. But why would people want to do about? Let me just have that. I feel the foreign policies about even the fact that in generations where, you know, Britain has gone into different countries across the globe and has cost, you know, countries like even my own in South Africa for decades that can never recover from it. Why would they want to come to the country that caused that then?

No, I don't, look, we're not here. We're also coming here because we are also belonging here to an extent that we feel that we can come here. Okay. Oh, no, no, can I just ask you a question for him before you come in order? Yes, yes. Do I belong in Namibia? Do I belong in Jamaica? Do I belong in Japan? You probably can because you've got some colonial history there. And you've probably got some DNA that was from there as well.

Who knows? Okay. The English do have that by heritage. So I am just clarified, I'm not making a judgment. I am just clarified. You do not believe that we should have borders at all. The Green Party, reading from your policy, wants to see a world without orders. I think that we can have people in here and done so humanely.

And I don't think everyone would come here in the way that you're saying that they're just going to have free reign to everything. There's always processes. There's always legalities. There's always vetting. And at the moment, we do have, majority of them are actually. They are genuinely coming in without any sort of criminal backgrounds and they are actually coming in who are just seeking asylum. I just want to come in.

I just want to go. Okay. Sins of the fathers is something that we can't clarify. We'd be here all day, right? So let's put aside the past. And I know that we will have very, very, very different views on that. And that's fine. Put aside the past.

At the moment, in real time, our outgoing bill on welfare and benefits is outstripping the money that is coming into the treasury. Now, that's fact, that's, that's, that's, that's fact, okay? Basic economics will tell you that if you are paying out more than you are bringing in. I know. That is where we are at the moment. We just do not, we do not have enough money coming into the treasury to pay for the people that are coming into this country that are claiming benefit and asylum.

And the people that are coming, the people that are in this country that are not contributing, not working and not giving back to society. Even in a utopian society, utopian, it's just not economically possible anymore. But you know, you want to talk about things with excluding the outside factor, even if you're in business and even if you're in finance, okay, you cannot just only look at your company. It does include the fact that there are, you know, external factors. I can't do anything about that at the moment. At the moment, no, but... Yes, you can. And at the laws right now, if you want to change to what you want right now, It cannot be done even soon, even if reform comes in.

They want to, you know, exclude the and get away from, you know, ECHR, the human rights, all of that. That would not happen even in one term. That would not happen in one term. You would have to write a new field. Even, you know, Rupertlo could not even go and pass, you know, ban on how long meets. Okay, and that is something small. Imagine something this big. If that is something, if that were true.

That is not happening. If that were true. Our laws is not that simple to just change like that the way you're saying. not. Because it doesn't happen. Because we do have the external factors, allies and things that we are connected to. So the allies, I would use that term very, very loosely, allies. Oh, really? I don't see any allies.

Of course, there is. You see that when we talk about Israel. If they're allies who are on you, anyway. I don't see any allies in you're at the moment. The goalpost changes every single time. Let me tell you that at the moment, and this is, this is the fundamental, this is the fundamental thing. How do you think the UK operates? This is the international.

It doesn't. It does. It does. It does. It does. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You can't ignore it. Of course we can ignore it all about this point. We talked about policy.

Restore's policy is this, in a nutshell. Britain comes first. Why doesn't it come first? And reform will leave the East H.R. Wait a minute, wait, minute, wait. Britain comes first. It is always first. We have got, as it should be.

And there's nothing wrong with that. As it happens at the moment, I do not care about the EU. I don't care about our allies in France and Germany. where I was, and do you know what? They're getting to a point where they don't, I am looking small. Because at the moment, we are struggling, struggling. I see people every day struggling to make ends meet, struggling to buy their children uniform, struggling to pay their heating bills, struggling to put food on the table,

struggling to put petrol in the cost that they can go to work. Exactly. And yet, that doesn't happen just by you just taking away all of people that are coming from abroad. It will be a good start. No. It will be a goddamn good stuff. And then we'll start tackling the scrounges in this country. There are different types.

There are different types. There are different types of immigrants that are coming in here. But we're going to start with the scroungers from overseas. No. The scroungers, if whatever you call them, is a very tiny percent compared to the immigrants that actually contribute and bring a hell of a lot of money in here. Who do you think owns London right now? This is not the British.

But you know what I would say? When people like Shabana MacMood talk about Little England and they say it in a way that means that we should be offended by that. Actually, I'm with all around this. I think we need to start small. We've got to save our country first. I'm not talking about it in that way. I'm talking about it in the fact that we have to, as a country to operate, as a country to survive, as a country to even have these things, we need to have as a business. You don't just operate on your own. You need investors. You need finance. You need customers. That's how it worked. Absolutely fascinating start. And we are in the first ever election debate between the UK's insurgent political forces,

Reform UK, Restore Britain and the Green Party. It continues here on Outspoken. And in the second part of our clash, we're going to find out which party will get crime under control. Women and girls raped on the streets. Pakistani grooming gangs still at large. Weekly stab-thons. Shops being raided while workers aren't. even allowed to stop it.

Robberies going unreported because Brits just know that the police won't do anything about it. It currently feels demoralising being a law-abiding citizen when we're in the midst of what I believe is societal collapse. So which party actually has the balls

to do something about it to represent Restore Britain? We are joined by their spokeswoman for the safety of women and children, Alla Minnehane, to represent the Green Party, their candidate for Hima, Muhammad, and to represent Reform UK, their candidate, James Bembridge.

So, Fahima, let's start with you. And you know what? We were all so quick last time. Just 30 seconds this time. 30 seconds. How are the Greens going to solve the crime crisis, which I describe as lawless Britain? There is no lawless Britain.

I work within the criminal justice. And I see the problems from the grassroots. And it's more about the fact that we are underfunded and underinvested with regards to training, and it's over sort of like packed with people that do not have the right sort of, you know, job descriptions where we are lacking even when it comes to lawyers, we are lacking with the processes. It's so behind when it comes to the criminal justice and the court system. So we want to get that in order first.

And you don't need to have harsher, inhumane sort of like, you know, policies out there in order to fix what we have already. 30 seconds up. James Bainbridge, how will reform UK solve law? an order in this country. They shall do that by recruiting thousands more police officers, bringing back stop and search without fear of being called racist, like your party would call them. No, we won't. Of course you would. And build more prisons and bring in mandatory prison sentences for anyone who has a knife on their possession. Okay. All a mini hang. 30 seconds. How will restore Britain solve lawless? Zero tolerance. Zero tolerance. Thousands of rapes, thousands of rapes,

thousands of stabbings, thousands of burglaries. We will, everybody that is a foreign criminal, owns a foreign that has a foreign passport who's in the prison system will be deported and that will make room with the thousands and thousands and thousands of criminals. They will be anybody, anybody that sexually assaults, that rapes, that does anything to a child, maximum sentencing. We will have zero tolerance.

Okay. Fahima, does the Green Party believe in prison? Yes, we do. That person who said that was not part of, you know, the main... Well, she very much was. No. And she said... No, she's part of many things.

No. Cuckoo Land being one of them. She wants to abolish prisons because prisons are unsafe. Hello, prisons are there to keep your voters safe. No. That is not something that we, as the main Green Party, take a stance on. We definitely need to have prisons. We definitely need to have more staff. Wait, can I just say something?

You'll lead it. You'll lead it. No, your leader... The facial recognition was something to do with racism. That I do not read the accept. No, I said stop and search. Stop and search. Whatever it was.

That's why they don't do it anymore. No, that's not the reason. No, they do do it. They do do it. Not enough. Not near enough. And by the way, can I just say one quick thing? Your leader wanted to give the vote to prisoners.

Yes, I heard about that. I work with ex-offenders. And at the same time, that it, whatever policy is being put out there is going to have much more, evidence-based as to why that should be, okay? And it's going to be, obviously, vetted. I don't want rapists in prison to be voting for a party.

I might obviously vote for your party if they were going to do that, but, you know, I don't want it. You know what? You're so uncalled for when it comes to it, and you are under investigation right now, so I would be very quiet as to what you're saying. I'm not. I'm not. So at the same time, what I'm trying to say is,

you need to be very careful how you speak, because this is completely, this is completely unacceptable, unacceptable, okay? Okay, well, hold it. A lot has been raised. A lot has been raised to him out. When it comes to racism, no one is saying that, you know, when you're going to have stop and search is that there has facts and evidence, even when it comes to facial recognition that unfortunately, you know, it is not correct with regards to technology, that it does actually, you know, take away the fact that when it comes to brown and black people, that they are misrecognized with that technology. Stop and search.

There are studies to show that they are being, you know, indiscriminated against. So James is right that you do think it's racist. We don't think it's racism. We just think that it's unfairly... You do, you just said it in a different way. No, it is not that. Okay, for him... You have to understand what that really means.

Just hold five or one thing for him. You need to understand what that means. You have raised an investigation to James Bembridge. I want to be completely fair because you have raised that now. So I want to just put what James has been reported on and then he can respond and you can come back. Okay?

So James, there's a report from my London in the MSM, which has said that you have previously posted that you hate the NHS and you think nurses eat too much. No, I worded it far better than that, actually. I think I say about nurses something like to hear NHS nurses speak, you know, about how they have to resort food banks. But looking at them, they look like eating food banks out of a business. You said NHS nurses are eating food banks out of a business.

You said NHS nurses are eating food banks, sound of business. You also, in November 2020, said the rancor that the pro-NHS folk have against me with never match the visceral hatred that I have for the NHS. I don't want reform. I want to see it torn to the ground. Yeah, I'll explain why I said that. That was like three or four years ago. It was during COVID. Yeah, it was after my father had recently died.

and I was convinced. What happened was, I was at his bedside. A nurse came in and said, can you just go into the other room while we change his bedding? I came back, two minutes later, he was dead. So I had the suspicion. I was furious.

I had the suspicion that they did something to speed up his death, basically, to free a bed. And so I was absolutely furious. I mean, that's why I said what I said then. So you suspected... The NHS killed your father, and that is why you...

That's why I said it then. I mean, I don't feel the same about the NHS now, But that's why I said it then, yeah. So you don't want to see it torn down to the way. No, not anymore. And what about saying that NHS are eating food banks out of business? Was that a reference to the weight of nurses in this country? Well, 20% of them are overweight.

That's just statistics. And do you think that NHS, do you think NHS nurses should lose their job if they are overweight? Should they have to go through the same type of fitness tests as police officers? Do you really want to get voted in? Like, seriously? Do you not understand what the real general public is? What you're saying is very very very, very. I understand Soho and I'm standing for Soho.

Wow. Ola, do you want to come in? I'm really, really disappointed in that. Yeah, me too, to be honest. I think the, I mean, to be honest, look, the NHS is the most phenomenal institution, right? And it was set up for the right reasons. Yes, it is abused.

I don't believe it's underfunded. I think there's a lot of waste. and that is, I believe, a lot to do with middle management and a lot to do with ridiculous people in ridiculous roles that don't need to be there. My sister is a NHS nurse and she's a midwife. And she works in... Sorry?

You're saying that as if that's an attack on me? No, no, no, no, my friends. But you're doing their lives and just what you said. No, I'm just saying my sister's an NHS nurse. She has, she works in an East London. Hopefully not an overweight one. No, she's not. Thank you. She's a size 10.

Well, Jeff, there we're saying. James from Jamesville have her out of a job. However, however, what I'm saying is I see and I hear firsthand the stress that the NHS staff and these nurses are under. Exactly. The amount that they give to and the amount of hours that they do and they are vastly, vastly underpaid. Now, that's right. That's right. If they put the money in the front line on the nurses and the, you know, and the frontline workers and stop paying exuberant amounts of money to middle management and people that swan around

doing 30 hours a week, if that, we would be in a lot better place. And also, there's an awful lot of fraud within the NHS. Well, it isn't one of the issues, though, and you know that this show is called outspoken because we have free speech. And the problem is, is that if people attack James or his comments, then reform are just going to keep going down this path of axing people for what they really think. Is it not good that in this case, Reform UK have actually stood by him? haven't thrown him under the bus, like they've thrown a lot of other.

I think it's just timing. I think they're just lucky. No, no, no, no, there's a difference between. And for him, you're saying because he's on the ballot. Yeah. It's too late to throw him out. You won't be afterwards, I'm sure. To be fair, to be fair, there is a difference between being outspoken and having a view.

Mm. And being insulting. Well, I think, I think people 20% of nurse is fat. I think reform just regarding me as an object of curiosity at this point. Okay. Okay. Well, that's, I mean, that's just derogatory and ridiculous. But there's what, there's one other comment that has caused a lot of

Constination, I'm sure for Hima will have strong views on it. So I want to give you the chance to justify it. This has also been reported in the MSF and this does not date back to COVID times. This is in December 2025. You posted a picture on X, which appears to mock bombing in Gaza. The post includes a picture of a box of Lego bricks labeled Gaza with the caption, My Christmas Present, alongside a love heart eye emoji. Now, I do have to apologize for that because I actually stole it. So you're not apologising for the content?

Oh, no, no, no. I apologize for stealing it from my friend, comedian friend Jay Mack. He posted it the previous Christmas and he got so much traction. I said, oh, I want a bit of that, Jay, can I do it? And he said, yeah, go on for it, lad, go on, James. So it was a joke? Yeah. For him, did you have any issue with that?

With children and innocent women being bombed is a joke for you? Oh, people... Unbelievable. If that was to happen, or the other way around... It has happened the other way around constantly. That is horrific. But you only prefer it to be one way, not the other. I think both ways is disgusting.

I'm bringing attention to how trivialised October the 7th has become. No, don't even go there. Don't even go there. I've been there. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, both sides, whoever does that is absolutely despicable. And it shouldn't be a mocking because of any innocent or children or women or anyone for that matter. Hello.

Was it not people within your party? Two wrongs. No, no. No pointing. No pointing. your party who said Jews are escored on the earth? They are not allowed to do that.

Well, they did. They did. They are wrong. I've got receipts. At the end of the day, those people are wrong. We have Zasksk Polensky, who is actually a Jewish person, okay? His family, his family, Fahima, have come out publicly and said they believe he is such a danger to this country.

No, that is not true. No, no, that is not true. I've spoken to people who know the relatives, it is true for him. I don't believe regardless as a person of faith that any faith or any person, regardless of even faith, should be mocked in that way for any reason. I'm a Muslim woman, okay? And I take anti-Semitism very seriously,

as well as any other faith is going to be mocked. Or even people in general, they don't have to have faith. May I step in? There is, again, again, going back, you have a political view on things, you have a view, not people, we have a political view on things, we have a view on things that have happened, October the same. 7th, Gaza, Israel, whatever.

Whatever your political standpoint is on anything is one thing. But to mock or to be disrespectful about the loss of life. Oh, get. No. I won't get a life, mate. Don't start on me because this will am badly for you, my friend. Badly. What I'm saying is you do not post something that is derogatory about.

Look, you can joke about whatever you want. It's a joke. We have free speech. It's not funny to joke. Obviously, that's why you probably will never get a professional job. Regardless of your political standpoint, regardless of it, I have used very, very clear views on my views on what's happening in the Middle East, etc. I would never, no matter what I did, laugh and make a joke about women and children being bombed and killed. That is below the line.

I'm sorry. But people do make jokes about that. It's not funny. London comedians do. They do it. And they're allowed to. Do you know you're standing for office? No, he just wants the clicks, as he said.

It's just ridiculous. And I really do the comments. We have been distracted, but I thought it was fair, given that you raised these allegations for him. I thought it was fair that we gave James a chance to respond to them. But we are actually talking about crime here. We're meant to be talking about crime. Do you want to come in on that issue? So, I mean, my view is, I mean, I've grown up.

I grew up in London. I'm in London. I was born here. I grew up here. and what we are seeing, particularly in London, and I'm focusing on that because we live here and we're talking about that, is an absolute breakdown of law and order.

Horrendous. Even this weekend we have seen the most despicable acts of violence. Women on women, which I'm sure you've seen, which is just, and we won't go into it because obviously it's an open case, but there just seems to be this lack of any kind of structure and social respect in any shape of form.

Various reasons for that, I think. Again, there is no consequence management. People are allowed to do what they want. You have an influx of people that have come from, majority of men that have come from cultures that do not respect women and respect law and order. We have, wait a minute, we have, we have horrendous rape gang situation that is still prevalent and very much prevalent in London.

I know that for a fact. We also have shoplifting. I mean, who on earth said that if something was under £200, you wouldn't be prosecuted? I mean, it is just off the, just another level. And I'm not saying that's anybody's, well, there's nobody labour in the room. But I mean, that's just the most ridiculous thing to have put in place. But there seem to be a fundamental ideological difference here. And that's what we're obviously trying to work out within this debate.

That you want to lock more people up. You want to lock more people up. you have a different view, the Green Party have a different view for HEMA in terms of restorative justice, right? Yes. Can you explain that? I think it's more about rehabilitation. It's more about making sure that our processes that are existing right now are much more at a higher level. And like I said, what do you mean, sorry? When it comes to, you know, staff training, when it comes to even having much more people in the actual criminal justice working, we have so many probation officers right now that are leaving their work because of the actual stress that's put on them. And we're not, that's why even, because of the prison system. So it is, it's kind of like a cycle, which is ongoing. And we need more lawyers. We need more even judges. We don't have the actual, you know, skill. Infrastructure. That is, but that is dealing with it once it's

happened. What is going, what is, what is, what is the, but this is, but this is, but I actually, I think we've got to talk in practicalities because that's, well, can I just put your policy to you then? For example, on. drug use, drug dealers. You're going to bring that up. Yeah, that's fine. Well, you don't want anyone to be jailed for drug offenses, but actually you want to go one step further.

It's more like, it's more about prohibition. Okay, but you want to go one step further and actually legalize all drugs. You want me to be able to be injecting myself in this studio with heroin or doing crack cocaine right here and not be sent to prison. It's more about regulation. That's what it is. So it can be controlled, just like how we used to have, you know, prohibition in the past. So you want me to be able to go into boots and buy some ecstasy tablets.

It doesn't work like that. Well, how does it work? Just tell me. How does it work? It has to be where, you know, is like a prescription. If you actually were prescribed it, if it's for health, it is for education. It's about bringing it information and taking away the fact that people can actually use it. And they can actually be now making money from it.

It will be done in a different way. It's just like how alcohol was years ago. It's the same thing. And other countries have, even in Amsterdam, they've gone better with the fact that people are not actually using it in a sense that, you know, they're making money for it. They're actually going to do this. At the same time. But that's what it. is, and it is an evolving policy.

It's going to have much more evidence based on that. I am a very viscerally anti-drug person. So am I. Because I have seen in my own life, I have seen in my own life, people who have even been destroyed all by marijuana, actually. Oh, but even more so. But there's people that are destroyed with... You say you're an anti-drug policy, but you want people to be able to go and get a

because it has to be done in a healthy, regulated way. It has to be done where we're not going to be. making people have money to, you know, do it on the sort of black market. That's what it is. That's what it is. They want to take away. They want to take away the middleman. They want to take away the fact that you have got drug dealers and you've got who are

who are corrupt and making money. And also people that are using it. Again, we're going back to this utopian view of the world. It's not utopian view. It is. It doesn't work. Because if that's the case, then, you know, I think it should be, you know, like with alcohol, it causes so much damage and to the NHS.

It does. That's legal. Exactly. Exactly. Which proves that your policy doesn't work. does work. I think it should be the fact that. I'm just trying to get my head around this. You've just said that there's a huge amount of issue with alcohol. Yes. Alcohol is legal. So do you not understand? We're going to just have the same issue with alcohol and we're not having dealers. We're not

having cocaine and Krak. And MDMA. No, it is not like that. It's going to be more education because people are using it because it's unavailable in a sense that they look at it as like, you know, with young people. With, you know, with young people. They need to be educated for it. Not going to be, you know, giving it out, you know, in the classrooms. That's just ridiculous. Is it true that you do not want anyone to be jailed for a crime where the person would serve under two years? That would depend on what the crime is and it would depend as well with our system with regards to the fact that we need to get policing in place.

We need to have maybe where it's community work, rehabilitation first. Because I work with ex-criminals and ex-offenders and rehabilitation does work. And it does need to be long term. But your policy is for any. thing under two years no prison standards. Now under two years, Ola, that can mean domestic abuse, fraud,

assault, assault, rape, that's what I'm saying. It's an involving policy. This is important. This is important. It is an involving policy where maybe petty crime, for example. What do you consider petty crime shoplifting, thief? Probably, yes. But you don't get anything anyway. But that's what I would say.

Or the fact that, you know, when it comes to maybe like people with, you know, crimes for maybe online stuff, you know, things like that. Where I think, again, it needs to be more regulation. But you don't agree with the candidates who say that you want a complete abolition for the prison system. No, absolutely. So what do you go to jail for under the Greens policy? You do go to jail for the crimes that are there, but we're going to have it much, you know,

more integration of help, more integration of rehabilitation. I don't understand what they. Should you go to prison? should you go to prison for misleading consumers, for example, a white collar crime, ripping people off? It would depend on the amount. It would depend on, you know, what sort of like crime level that was. Because again, even when it comes to sort of like finance, you know, if it's like maybe just, you know, one or two people, for example, it could be resolved outside the prison system. What about a man who was trying to sell women the idea that his.

type of crackpot hypnotism could actually increase the size of their breasts. Well, you know what? Should they face the full force of the law? Polensky has actually addressed that himself. So if you want to see his, you know, transcription of his thing. But to be fair, I'd rather someone like that who can admit that than someone who in the past was actually had, you know, allegations of racism like Nigel Farage or had infiltration of people coming into the, you know, the party that was now jailed for, you know, spy.

We'll come to Farage. So at the same time, we'll come to Farage. We'll come to Farage allegations. Because if you want to go by association that I think, you know what, that is a very small thing that I'd be worried about compared to everyone else to be fair. You say that for Hima, but it's actually the biggest vulnerability for your party. Do you know that? No, no, no, no, it is. Have you not seen the polls recently?

Yes, I have. And have you also seen the polls that when voters are shown that Zach Polanski was advocating for a form of hypnotism where he could increase a women's cup size, they immediately, by large proportions, say, I'm not voting for that man. That's why I call Dave. That's his real name, by the way. That's why I call him for him at the tip whisperer. Because I want people to know. Everyone knows.

Can I just chip in really quickly? And that is not really something that, you know, is that serious? Can I just chip in something really quickly? And I understand you're a very empathetic person by nature. And I respect that about you. I'm not, so that's fine. But what I'm very confused about is it's almost after the horse has bolted. So this rehabilitation, we're going to look at rehabilitation, we're going to look at camp,

we're going to look at all these. What is going to be in place to stop it happening in the first place? Because prevention is far better. I believe in that too. That is awareness and education. I write and design and give training to companies and organizations and institutes. I was in city hall, you know, with, you know, police and I'm probation office. I was in the justice system giving all of this.

So it has to filter with education and awareness. So you believe criminals can be reformed? I want to give, not all, but they can. And I've got my own clients that are actually doing that. Well, that's great news. I want to give James a chance to respond to what you raised for Hema in terms of Nigel Farage. These are, I presume, related to the allegations that when he was at Dulwich College, he was both racist and antisemitic.

And which he denies. Phahima's saying that's as bad as the tip whisperer, worse than the tip whisperer offering fake hypnotism. Yeah, well, he denies these allegations. He has school friends who have spoken out when they were with him in Dulwich College. Over 25, yeah. Who I've said, no, this was not correct. It didn't happen. I mean, in fairness, and may I step in here.

In fairness, I think that the whole thing's nonsense. because there is no way that anybody, I presume he's in his 60s, can say that they did or did not say something when they were at school. There is no way. So I would rather people be honest and own it and say, do you know what?

Yeah, I probably did say that. And I went to a school that was predominantly white and we messed around and we said things blah, blah, blah, blah. I know for well, I know for well that when I was at school a very, very long time ago, I would have said things that probably weren't considered to be PC because that's how it was.

But this was making jokes about the gas chamber. I mean, that's why. If jokes about dead people so they fit very well. But the thing is, just only, you can't just say, do you know what? I don't know whether I said that. Maybe I did. How would the people...

How would the people... Absolutely did not. Okay, well, how would the people who were allegedly said it remember then? Because they were... I have no idea. Exactly. You know, I understand trauma.

Do you not understand the fact of that. Oh, come on. I think we're being too, I think we're... What about the trauma for the poor woman who thought she was going to have a big house? Because the tip whisperer said, I can hypnotise you. I'd be much more upset about that. Okay, look, hold fire. We are in the first ever election debate between the UK's insurgent political forces.

Reform UK, Restore Britain and the Green Party. It is continuing here and out spoken in the third part of our discussion. We're going to find out which party will tackle benefit. Britain. The disunited Kingdom's total welfare spending far exceeds more than we raise in income tax. The welfare bill currently

sits at 333 billion pounds, whereas income tax revenue is at 331 billion. Now, you don't even have to hold a basic understanding of economics to understand this situation isn't sustainable. We are bankrupt. Some Brits have entire

given up on their ambition to find work as they realize they're better off on benefits than if they were to get an income from being employed. Britain is a welfare state. And if this current trajectory continues, the economic consequences might turn our country into a third world shithole. In fact, I think we're on the way. So, which party has the competence to tackle benefits Britain to represent, Restore Britain? I'm joined by their spokesperson for the safety of women and children,

all a mini-hane, to represent the Green Party, their candidate at next month's elections for Hima Muhammad, and to represent Reform UK, their candidate, James Bembridge. Okay, so, James, kick off 30 seconds. How will Reform UK solve benefits Britain? Well, first of all, I'm sure that benefits for British citizens only, reform the sickness assessments make sure it's only for those in need, actual need. Looking to long-term people are on long-term sick pay

if they're genuinely need it. And make social housing only for people in this country. Okay, great stuff. All a mini-hain, 30 seconds. I mean, I believe that absolutely benefits should be for people that need benefits. therefore people that are either elderly, they're sick, they're unable to work. Anybody that is able to work should work. End of story.

Anybody that is not a British citizen should not qualify for any kind of benefit. If you stop the benefits, you will stop the boats. End of story. Fahima, 30 seconds on how the Green Party will solve benefits, Britain. Well, I think we already proposed when it came to the two-child cap, which obviously is working. that's part of it, the bedroom tax as well. And I feel that when it comes to benefits, when we talk about British citizens,

I think sometimes we get confused thinking that it means, you know, people that are just English and white, when actually British citizens include people like myself and lots of immigrants that have come here and actually are part of society. And I think we already have a system in place where it is very difficult to get benefits. And the ones that are even getting it

when it comes to immigration is a very small amount. So let me bring Jameson. What for him seems to be saying there then is that your policy is in some way racist. No, exactly. I said British citizens. I didn't say what skin colour. That's an absurd. I was just talking generally. I wasn't talking about you. I was just saying a lot of people do reference. To be clear, that's not what I meant.

No, and I didn't think that you meant that either. I wanted to clarify because I think a lot of people when they say that in certain sort of, you know, aspects like British citizen, Britain first, like as if to say it doesn't impose you. I'm not talking about skin colour, but I am talking about religion. and I am talking about your religion, the two child benefit cap benefits Muslims. It benefits Muslims. It benefits people who want to have children. Why don't you look at it like that?

And I know many, you know, English, white people, even in my area, that have really a lot of children that I'm surprised about. So again, you're talking from experience, and I think that is a little bit of a prejudice because you also have a misrepresentation of Muslims. I know so many people in my generation. So you also have more children. No. Because I'm just looking at the stats.

No, I never said the word Islamophobic. I said you have a perception of a certain group. Prejudice you used to. Yeah, a prejudice. So what prejudice? To say that only Muslims or, you know, will have a big family. And that might be correct. And I don't see it as a bad thing.

What I said, I don't see it as a bad thing either. No, no, no, what I said and I'm just looking at the stats is that this policy benefits Muslims. I think it benefits people with a lot of family, children. And I think that includes all sort of backgrounds, cultures. And at the same time, if that's the case, then I would say we need to increase. We need to have a higher birth rate. And if it means marriage or having children or whatever it is from, you know, the indigenous. I mean, all of that's a fair point that Fahima is making.

One of the big problems and the reason why there is this Islamist takeover of our country is because not enough. Are you serious? Are you serious? Oh, I'm serious. There is no Islamic takeover. Did you see Chifabu's square the other day? Okay. Excuse me.

You don't see the Sikhs and the Jews and every other faith that comes in there in Trafalgar Square. But no one mentions that is always the spotlight on Muslims. And we do the exact same thing as every other faith in religion. You just want to highlight the one. That's it. So there is a prejudice. There is no such thing as demonstrating power. Of course the race is what?

We do exactly the same with every other faith. I'm not saying you. There are some who explicitly say that. No. We do exactly the same. It is authorized by the council, just like every. other faith and the Lord of the mayor, the mayor, you don't think Siddi Khan is engaging in an Islamist takeover of this country. Why doesn't he, why doesn't he acknowledge the excesses of the Pakistani Muslim grooming gang in London? Excuse me. You have, you have, you can all three be,

you know, on me and I will still win. No, no, we're not. But that's how it is. Okay. Nobody is. Let let me say something. Let me say something. Let me. I was actually making, I was, I was actually you were. You think you are, but you're not. And you need to really think about your language. Okay, well, I'll repeat my exact language. Paula, given the Islamist takeover of Britain, isn't the big issue, the fact that not enough white British Christian people are having enough children. And what Fahima is saying is that if the white people were having the kids, the two-child benefit cap would benefit them too.

They can't afford it. So I've got out of all, I've got six friends. I'm the only one, no, my sister and I, the only ones that have got more than one child. Really? Yes. So they've all. got one child. Now, if you're a mother, and this is, and I'm actually trying to work this out in my head because it's, it's a strange phenomenon. So you will see, and not just, and in fairness,

not just Muslim women either, there are a lot of what I would describe as not even work, they're not working class, benefit scroungers, white British, benefit, white British as well as that black British, benefit scourges that see, having children, a class, it's a class thing. It's not a really, No, no, no, so there were two ways. I was talking about the two child benefit cap. But I'm talking about that as well. You will see, I know a particular woman who is a black British woman who is now expecting her sixth child by a sixth man. Now, I would describe, I'm not quite sure what category to put that person in.

But anyway, whatever. But she knows that by having another child, it is another meal ticket. I've seen that. Frankly, right? Now, I don't know if it's a mentality thing because, as I said, I have got friends that will say to me and have seen. said to me, I would love to have another child, but I cannot afford it. So at what point does that person think, do you know what, I can't afford it? So I'm going to sacrifice having another child to carry on working and paying into. You say you've seen it, but you want to give

that person a benefit for every one of those six children, which encourages this. I think that there is a difference where, you know, people that are struggling and they are needing that extra support, that's what's doing. And there are people that are going to take advantage of that system. I am a single mom and I work damn hard so I don't have to have anything from my family. My family came here, no benefits. We only wanted to work and earn. Okay. And that's what I'm doing as a single mom. Good on you, but you're in a minority. No, I'm not. There's a lot of people that I know that work very hard as females, even in my background that are high earners, professionals and they are, you know, got families and they are supporting themselves by themselves. There is a,

So that's what I'm saying. And you cannot say, that's what I'm saying, a lot of generalisation is made here, and that's what I find is a problem. And I know even with the statistics, but I also feel it comes, but there's a problem when it comes to, when it's crime,

when it's anything. You only worry about the crime if it's from that particular group. I worry about crime regardless of the background. Oh, no, and you're right to. And that's how I feel. And that's absolutely right. And that's absolutely right.

It's not about empathy. It's about being realistic and fair and just to people. So the difference of what is there, and you're right, you've got two children, right? So, you know, and I've got three. and that was my choice and I've never claimed

to benefit in my life of any shape or form I actually would know how to but the point the point being that what makes it that what is the mentality that makes it whereby somebody says

you know what I'm just going to have another baby more money I'm going to have another baby and the thing is that but you are opening yourself up the problem is once you open the floodgates

you open yourself up to being taken advantage of simple so people are making life choices based on benefits by taking or having lifting the two child benefit cap, all you're doing is just saying take advantage. No, because I think if we had better wages and we didn't have that way, you know. But none of these women have worked. Most of these women have never worked. It was a choice.

Again, it's a class thing because they've started when they're quite young, just coming out of school. And I've seen that myself. And that is the problem. That's the problem. In Poland, for example, unless you have contributed to the public purse for a minimum for two years, you don't even get maternity pay. So, and that. But we don't want But why would you have poverty though? Why would you have poverty? I just feel because if people are sometimes struggling to be in those positions, they don't have the education. But the thing is if you come out of school and you know that you're not going to get those benefits, then you're going to get a job.

But a lot of them are not planning those children. I think I've spoken to these victims and I've spoken to people. But they're not all victims, darling. They're people that make a choice. They don't have control. I mean not as a victim as in being abused, but they're also vulnerable. They don't have. And I think there is a class problem here as well.

And it's a generational cycle. This is the beginning of time. Women have had. But, but, but, Vah, again, I just want to come back to the facts. Two thirds of migrants who come to this country illegally, two thirds are on universal credit. Two thirds! Again, it is not as easy as you say.

They are managing. on the basics. And that's when also they are being sort of used. And that's what we want to say that they need to go into work. They're not going to be used. They're not going to be in the black markets.

So just on that. They're not going to be doing that. Two thirds are not. 66% are not. Some, in fairness, if you look at the third going into work is not enough. If you look at the Somalian population. Yeah.

And this is a fact, there are approximately 180,000 Somalians in this country. 82% do not work and never have. Behema? How do you deal with that? And the thing is, How do you deal with that? It's just as if it's just not even on their aid.

Again, are we talking about it because we're targeting a certain type of class? There's a lot of white English people in this country. But we're saying. That's what we're saying. There is. So the problem is not dividing the people by their background in class. No, I understand that. I do believe that they need to be the processes where everyone is under the saying.

I actually think we do have to start. No, because the law does not say there's a lawful Muslims. There's a law for Christians. It doesn't want like that. No, no, no. The stats is that the government are hiding these stats because they don't want people to know. Those types of stats that all they have just revealed.

And you're right. There are many, many, many, they're not even working class. I hate using a term working class because working class means people that work. So not working class. People in areas, in areas, deprived areas across this country who are white British people and may leave school.

at 14, 15, pregnant, and it is a lifestyle choice. If you took away the fact that they could make that lifestyle choice, they wouldn't make it. There's a few generation of families now like that. Do you really think that's going to stop that? That's just going to create, like, how we have in South Africa. We've got slums and they're going to be living like that. Well, they live like it anyway. No, they don't.

We have slums in this country's Bahima. You go to parts of Birmingham. You go to parts of White Chaplain London. We have slums in this country. It's not slums. It's just people that are different colour and they live different. They're not living in tents. They're not.

Oh my goodness. No, they're not. Have you not seen parts of London on the street car? They've seen. They're not tense everywhere. And at the same time, when they come up, and that too, that also comes with the Romanians. It comes with, you know, people from Eastern Europe.

It's everyone. And again, we go back to that. But we're going back to this. No, no, no, to immigration. But this scenario where London or the UK is the land of milk and honey, come to the UK It's not milk and honey if you're living in a tent

Well But you know what happens You know what that is Because their asylum has been And I hate that word Because most of them aren't seeking asylum It takes years for it to be processed But the thing is they are

But they are You know if you're living in a hotel Right And this is a fact as well I've looked into it In a lot of detail If you're living in a hotel And your asylum

has not been granted You get a letter to the hotel That says You need to leave this hotel Within five days No one checks The hotel will make you leave Then what happens?

They go out and they move into a tent in bankman or in Houston. And then what happens? Automatically to feed themselves, they don't go and commit crime. And it's a vicious. But that's the government. Can I just write up from coming in? Because what's good is that we have a clear ideological difference here. I would say reform and restoring quite a similar place.

On the reform of low, taxes for workers to make work pay better than benefits. And family, are you saying that in order to pay for the benefits? Which is what you need? Are you saying that in order to pay for this increasing benefits bill, I believe, tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the green policy is actually to significantly increase taxes, especially on people who you consider rich. And that's how you'll pay for the benefits. And we're talking about multi, multi-millionaires here.

But the thing is, those multi-millionaires will piss off? No, they have assets here. I wouldn't stay here. They can sell their assets. No, I know, especially. This is a classic socialist. No, it's not. And they always say, oh, no, it's a.

The myth. The multimillionaires won't move? No, they do. They are. No, they're not. But I think it's good, though. There's so many people that live here. The investment is here.

Yeah. By even foreigners. No, but I appreciate this honesty. I appreciate this honesty. What you're saying is that we're not going to cut the benefit bill under a green government, but you will increase the taxes in order to be able to keep paying for these benefits. Is that right? Well, to an extent, yes.

Okay. Good, good, good. I think that's good. there's a clear ideological divide. And we are in the first ever election debate. This is going so well between the UK's and surging political forces. For Dan. If I rejected this on the mainstream media, Reform UK, Restore Britain and the Green Party,

all here. And the final part of our discussion, we're going to find out which party will protect British culture. This is the culture war. Because for many of us, the Britain that we once knew is unrecognisable. Streets that were once lit up by fish and chip takeaways and quaint charity shops are now swarmed with foreign-run vape shops, Turkish barbers and halal butchers. Towns, villages and cities that were once populated by majority white Brits have now seen the places that we called home turn the opposite direction where they are now big minority.

religious wars between non-Christian faith groups erupt in violent chaos on our streets. And we have mass protests in our capital and actually up and down the country focused on foreign conflicts. For many, it is a struggle to define what is British about Britain anymore. So which party will best protect and preserve British culture? Or maybe which party says there is no issue. at all with the change. To represent Restore Britain today, we are joined by their spokeswoman

for the safety of women and children, Ola Minnehane, for the Green Party, their candidate at next month's critical elections for Hima Muhammad, representing Reform UK, their candidate, James Bembridge. Okay, so, Ola, let's start with you. How will Restore Britain protect British culture?

The name is on the tin, my friend. The name is on the tin. So Restore Britain. Look, we, again, it goes back to this very, very clear definition for what underlies everything we do, that Britain comes first. Not Britain first, as in, you know, yeah, but Britain comes first.

So British cultures, we are, we are a Christian country. And it's simple as that. That does not mean that I personally don't have the greatest respect for other religions. Yes, I do. But ultimately, Christianity underpins. everything we do in this country. Okay.

Fahima Muhammad, 30 seconds. How will the Greens protect British culture? It is already protected. We are here to live, you know, and coexist as, you know, this framework of Britain that includes even the new generation that we are in now. It's about, you know, the rule of law. It's about fairness. It's about just.

It's not about division. The culture has evolved. I'm not going to deny that. But at the same time, it doesn't mean that it has. you know, eradicated people and it's not actually taking them out of what we are right now. We don't want to go into the past. We want to be in the future. Okay, great stuff. James Bembridge, 30 seconds. How will Reform will reform will do that by teaching children our great British history

without indoctrination and guilt about our history. Get rid of DEI rules that lower standards in the school, you know, like at the moment you've got some schools saying that Grammar doesn't matter because some of the kids, they won't learn it, blah, blah, blah, get rid of that. Protect our historic sites. Don't allow them to be converted into anything inappropriate. And prioritise, prioritise, sorry, prioritise integration over multiculturalism. Okay, well, your time's up anyway. Pahima, when I was giving my little intro and talking about the halalabular,

Butchers and, you know, the Turkish combat. You were shaking. Well, you were shaking your head. What did I get wrong? I think the way people frame things, they don't realize how insulting and offensive it is. And I'm not saying it's wrong. You have free speech. I'm not saying that.

And you can have your opinion. But you do not realize that that does means that, you know, you are othering me. You're making someone like me, like as if it's a problem and taking away. And it's not true. The fact that we talk about, you know, British culture, for me, it is. you know, the law, all right? The law in this country, it does not favouritise anyone or anyone faith either. What about the fact that Sharia law has been practised?

But that's, that is also a myth. It's not being practiced. There's hundreds of Sharia courts up and down the country for Hima. You don't understand. They're not courts. They're civil councils to say that if you want to get married, how would it be in your religion and how would it be, just like with the Jewish bit in?

It's the same thing. Oh, so Sharia law and Sharia courts are. all sweetness and light, are they? It is, actually. It is. I have been giving cases from there, which shows, yes, if there is abuse, if there is anything. And it cannot go against the British law, you know, specifically. Okay, it really cannot. Okay, Ola wants to say. When it comes yes, to women, I'm the one that first advocates for it, not just only you. And I do see the problems. I have poured out my own Muslim community for many things too. But there is a difference here, because my belief, Ola, is that Restore Britain has a policy of actually abolish.

Shea. So that would be for the Jewish as well. Why do you only mention one? No, no, no, no, no. No, they want kosher mintal as to well. Absolutely. So the view is different to reform UK, so we'll have that. The view is that, and going back to the culture thing,

halal and kosher food would be banned. And slaughter would be bad, not the food, the slaughter would be bad. And that goes fundamentally back to the fact that as British people, we are animal lovers. We love, you know. You don't like fox hunting either? Sorry? You don't like fox hunting and eating meat?

No. I don't. I'm absolutely, personally, I'm absolutely anti-fox hunting, which is something that we do. So all of the stores like that too? No, I don't know if all are. I'm just talking about me personally. But from a, from a slaughter point of view, non-stun slaughter is a foreign and it is absolutely not what the British. But halal also, you know, has the non-stun. They also have that. Do you not understand? No, I don't because as far as I'm aware. That's not trying to say. Okay. So we actually have that too, where we have the non-stun and the sound. But isn't that the whole point of halal? No, it's about the prayer is halal. That's what I'm not. I'm trying to say. And then you have stand and non-stein. But to be clear, the Green Party is not advocating for... I know, but I'm just talking from a religious point of view.

She's talking about from herself. And that's fine. And look, again, right? Yeah. There is, you can be... People don't understand Sharia law. You can be a member of a... Well, we'll go back to that in a minute. But you can be a member of a party and you can believe in...

Unless you, very rarely do you believe in everything. Absolutely everything. Unless you're a member of a cult, right? Yeah. So there is going to be... Like reform UK. Correct. So you...

So there are elements that you don't believe in and that's your prerogative, right? So unless you've written the policies and then you're pretty much on side. So my view could be very different in some cases. But the Sharia law scenario, and again, I am by no means, you know, a guru on these things. But I do have an issue with how and what goes on within women's rights

and protecting women. And that's great. And I think that's great. I think we've made some very, very, you know, inroads into bringing us to together. But the fact is that, you know, you look, and I think, and again, we don't know, but Sharia law perception is the fact that they are anti-girl, anti-women, they're anti-girls, that women are considered to be third-class citizens.

They've done nothing for the rape gang scandal. and what happened to thousands and thousands of... Okay. Okay, Fahima, I'm going to have to be honest with you here. That's not true. You are taking a polyanerish view of Islam. And you are taking a polyanerish view of what I know is going on. Well, I do.

I do. I've had Sahel Ahmed sitting here, okay? A gay Muslim who was born in this country, raised in the mosques of East London, and radicalized Fahima to the point where he went to Canary Wharf with an IED and was about to kill hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. He went back to his mask. He was then exercised by his parents because he had been taught that being gay

with such a sin that he should be pushed off the top of a building. This is going on in a mosque in his London for Hema. This is not the faith. And you're being polyanish. No, this is not the faith. You don't understand that Muslims come in so many different types of interpretations. Even if there was to be a Sharia law, which one is it? Iranian law or, you know, Saudi Arabia.

law. It is so vast and it's so separate. Even each country has its own interpretation. Within that there's another interpretation. I don't even follow my own family's interpretation. Okay? So at the end of the day, this is completely... Why are the terror attacks in this country being committed

by Muslims following Islamist doctrine? That is not the Islamic doctrine and they are using it as an... 7.7. Lee Rigby, Arianna Grande, London Bridge. That is... That is extremism that exists in every single faith culture background. And for me, I don't believe that they actually belong in any faith. I don't believe

that they belong in any sort of society. And they are absolutely horrific. Yes, but what you're saying, but what you're saying, that is not moral. That is not humane. Yes, I know that. But what you're saying is that this isn't being taught in the mosques of the United Kingdom. And it is. So therefore, we've got to ban those mosques. We've got to ban those mosques. I follow

the law of the land. So does every Muslim that is actually abiding by their faith should follow the law the law of the land. That is first. And that's what we're saying. That's what we're saying. And I think that that's what it is. And you're going to find in every culture, every background, that there is something there. But again, you want to just put a spotlight.

You just want to put a microphone, you know, on one particular group only. Our churches, our Christian churches are open. And you find me a church. You find me a church with a Christian faith leader who is teaching that type of bullshit. And I'm sorry, I feel deeply passionate about this. Couldn't we do? Couldn't we do what they do? And that is not fair.

Because it's like as if I have to condemn every single criminal because it's from my faith. Do you do the same for yours? Do you or you? No, it isn't. It's not like that. And the fact that I'm being put on the spot for every other criminal, that is not fair. You think I wouldn't. Do you understand?

You think I wouldn't call out. But I'm sorry, the Christchurch mosque attack. You don't think I called out that attacker. That was one of the biggest stories in the country. You wouldn't go and talk to every other person who was, you know, from that profile. file to actually call them out. That is absolutely wrong. I did.

I gave a monologue that day on the court radio. But you should have gone on about it for years. No, actually, do you know what? Statistically, people that do mass shootings of children, I think hugely, disproportionately, are trans people. That's correct. I don't think that they should also be demonized as a whole group either. Well, no, but the thing is what happens is.

I'm not like that. But what happens is... This is the fascinating thing about the Green Party, though, isn't it, James? there is this Islamo-trans ideology coming together. Because did you not know in Iran, it's actually legal for them. As a gay man who is the Reform UK candidate for so hard. Reform have the gay vote, by the way. The highest percentage of the gay votes are for reform.

And you know why that is because they are scared of Islamist extremists. Of course. And with good reason. I mean, if we can just look quickly, and I don't, and I do think it is, I don't think it's fair to attack you. I think that we need to, you know, that's bullying, and I'm absolutely not for that. No, no, no, no. So I think that that's fair that you've called that out.

And I apologise if you think that's the case. And I think that that's right. However, can you, and as in open dialogue, can you explain the weird mishmash of ideologies within the Green Party? There is no mishmash. Oh, there is just millions. It means that just like in every other, except from probably restored, because you don't allow it to be fair. Every other, you know, party has Muslims, has Jews, has trans, has gay. Every other party does.

Reformers, reformers. Yes, exactly. They do. No, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying is. And there's a mix-mash of ideology. Oh, no, but this is another level. This is another level. This is another.

But all right, you have to. No, no, no, no, but all of, you have to admit. Yeah. And James, I have an issue. Yeah, but I have an issue with this. I know you do. Reform UK now has a candidate running at this local election who is. a Pakistani separatist who was recently caught chanting from the river to the sea at a protest, James.

He's one of your candidates. Actually, Nigel Farage has sold out to Islam. I don't think it's selling out to Islam. Don't defend Farage. Let him defend Farage. I wasn't aware of that candidate at all. This is the first I've heard of it. I couldn't really comment. It was reported at the Times. He's a big cashmary separatist. Well, you've got a candidate called Mohammed Sharia, by the way. Both for a form. The thing is, I saw several prominent Muslim influences say they're now leaving the Green Party

after they saw Zach Polensky on stage with some kind of gay stripper dancer type of. It wasn't gay stripper dances, it was a full on orgy practically. But anyway, that's another story. But the point is, that's what I find really strange. And I mean this in the most respectful manner. I get that. I get that. But like you said, not everything is going to be accepted. Not everything is going to be put out there in that way.

So is exactly that. No, no, I understand. And this is what I'm struck. It's about the bigger picture. Okay, so I'm, okay, I'm just struggling with something. I'm struggling with the fact that your deputy is a practicing Muslim whose wife covers up. And then the leader is on stage in Trafalgar Square. Which he didn't partage.

But that's the whole point of a democracy. We're not saying that he's stripped himself. I'm very strange. It's just very strange. Because you see that. For example, in my family, I'm the only one that way is a hijab in my sister. Okay, my mom doesn't. My whole family does it.

Why have you chosen to do that? Because that's just what I feel in my faith. And that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but you're in the same bucket. Not really, not really. Well, you are. How do you feel then about the fact that Restore Britain, all his party, wants to ban the Burka and the NICAM?

Well, they can go for it as much as they want. As does reform? I don't know. Well, have you actually gone there? I know it's been discussed. The thing is for me, I look at it as, you know, the hijab. I can understand the NACP for it. The face was.

But then you pick on a female that is wearing it out of religion and culture when actually the crimes are committed by young boys in balaclavas. But you're not calling out to boys in Balaclavas. But that's what was put out in the parliament by Sarah Pochin in reform was the, you know, that's all that's mentioned. Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see where they're coming from? It's like marginalising and marginalising more vulnerable. Face coverings, face coverings of any shape or form are ridiculous. That's not the headline.

That's not the headline. That's not the policy. I think this is a difficult issue for the right. I think it's a difficult issue for the right for Hema because people like me fundamentally believe in freedom of choice. The problem that we have or that I have speaking personally is that I worry when I see women walking around our society like that. I don't think you believe in that though, do you?

I don't, but I do believe in the fact that they have a right to do it out of choice because I've spoken to so many revert, English reavers, that choose to wear. It's surprisingly. I know that is bizarre as well to me. That's where they believe their faith is telling them to a certain extent. And they want to get closer to God. Okay. And you know what I would say to them?

You know what I would say to them? Do you know what I would say to them? I would say to them there are many, many, many countries that that is accepted. Okay. Okay. Let's just quickly move away from that. Because of course, there's lots of parts of Britain. I heard in both of your opening statements that you, James and all us seem to believe

that we should celebrate our past. and we shouldn't be embraced, embarrassed of our colonial past. Fahima, I think the Green Party policy is a little bit different on that. You're not keen, are you, on all of the statues and the celebration of Winston Churchill and people like that? I don't think it's about that. It's the way in which, look, I believe in democracy and people's right to have certain things,

but it's just that if you're going to have only one narrative, let's learn about different narratives, let's learn about the things that really did actually happen. And I think I've studied, you know, British history, and British law and whatever it is, whether even if it's in university to two degrees that I have, you know, a master's, whatever it may be.

And I feel that it is very limiting. It's not about not doing that, but people have strong views the fact that, you know, there were atrocities that were committed, for example, by Winston Churchill. So they're putting that forward. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Well, look, this has been a fascinating debate. What I want to do is give you each 30 seconds to sum up and to make your pitch. Now, I have to clarify, by the way, because we're having this three-party debate, some people will be saying, but I can't vote for Restore Britain in my area. The party has made a decision at this set of elections

to only run in Great Yarmouth, which is where Rupert Lowe is the local MP. They are running under the banner of Great Yarmouth first. So it is a limited opportunity for restore candidates at this election. And all in your closing statement, which we'll kick off with now, I would like to get you to acknowledge what Restore Britain supporters should do at this next election if they're outside of Great Yarmouth.

I'm not saying that you should tell them who to vote for, but that is a difficult choice. But here is your closing statement. Okay, so my view would be always this. National politics sets the frame for how a country is run, it's governed economically, socially, culturally. That is very different. So let's set that aside for local elections is about your heart and soul.

It is about your community. It is about your people. It is about where you live, where your children grow up and your environment. Vote for who you believe, the person that you believe is going to do right by your community and your family. Okay. Fahima, why should people vote for the Green Party at next month's elections, 30 seconds? Because it's about hope. It's about the future and not division.

And also making sure that everyone belongs. when it comes to issues, we have got issues and we're not denying that, but we can work with the processes that we have and we can improve them. But we don't need to scaremonger and we don't have to blame the other and also isolate and exclude people. And we are about the present and the future and hope, not division and hate like other parties. Fahima, thank you so much. James Bembridge, 30 seconds.

Why should people vote for Reform UK? Reform UK is the only party who is going to have the power and courage to stop the boats, reverse illegal immigration, get our services working again like the NHS, which I do now love. And above... I hope for your sake, you don't go into an A&E any time. I know. That's what they say. That's what they say to about. No, I do truly. I do truly. And finally, secure our British culture. Okay, great stuff. Thank you all three of you. I think it is so important that we have these debates and have these discussions.

And for me here on outspoken, I also think it's really terrible that Restore Britain is being excluded by all of the mainstream media at the moment. So I very much appreciate reform and the Greens going forward. But I think we also have to accept that Restore is going to need a place at these debates in the future. Because you look at it, 130,000 members in growing big presence in the polls. And by the way, I'm not denying the huge success of Reform UK or the Green Party on that front either. And I love that. I love that about you, Phaima. Now, look, we're only weeks away from what is set to be the largest gathering of patriots this nation has ever seen.

As the United Kingdom rally takes place again this year, I'm sure Fahima will be there in Central London on May the 16th. Are you speaking? Yes, I am. Sharon Hotsporn is going. Yes, she is. Sharon and I are doing a double act. I'm going to be there.

I'm stepping in for a husband. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, brilliant. So All that is going to be there. And the great news is that Outspoken is also there, giving you access to on the ground coverage with exclusive interviews with this year's

speakers and special attendees. Now, on the lead up to this historic event, we're going to be revealing the Unite the Kingdom's greatest Britons every Friday. This week, it is only the one and only Katie Hopkins, a patriot, a freedom fighter. She needs no introduction.

Let's take a look at her speech at last year's Unite the Kingdom event. They took my friend Tommy and they put him in prison. They took my wife. friend Charlie and they shot him. They tried to take my children and they deported my ass from Australia and I say fuck the Australians for that. But it doesn't matter. They can put us in prison. They can shoot us. They can lock us up but they will not stop us now. Because we are not

here because we hate. We are not here because we want bad things for other people. We are here because we grew up knowing freedoms and we will get those freedoms back for our kids and our grandchildren. Yes, we will. Now to make this year's event even bigger and better than last year, Unite the Kingdom needs your support. Here is a message from Tommy Robinson on how you can help. We run out of time. The date is coming very soon, the 16th of May. For us to put an event like this, we're basically putting on a concert bigger than oasis in central lung. That costs money. That's why we need support. It's impossible to do it without you. I hope at the last event when you saw those images go around the globe. If you were the one of the people who contributed, you watched

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