Dan Wootton Outspoken - SHOCK AS UK TO BECOME MINORITY WHITE COUNTRY AS STARMER MINISTER WARNS "NORTH WILL BURN"

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. BREAKING TODAY: The UK will become a minority... white country in just 40 years as the great replacement goes from so called conspiracy theory to demographic reality. And in the meantime, it’s becoming clear extremism politicians like London’s failed Mayor Sadiq Khan have imported his unique brand of misogyny yet is getting a total free pass from the compliant and captured MSM. Why these shocking figures add to claims from Labour Cabinet minister Lisa Nandy that Britain is close to burning in Dan's Digest. Then we’ll get reaction from his Superstar Panel: Alex Phillips and Father Calvin Robinson. PLUS: Have Reform UK already broken a key pre-election mass deportation promise to voters by missing their own deadline? We’ll debate. AND: Actor Eddie Marsan takes on Tommy Robinson on the Fake News Agents. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Megyn Kelly weighs in on why Prince Harry has much to fear. We’ll analyse her bombshell claims with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:53 Groceries that over-deliver. No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Woodson. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 241. And breaking today, the UK will become a minority white country in just 40 years as the great replacement goes from so-called conspiracy theory to demographic reality. And in the meantime, it's becoming clear extremism and politicians like London's failed mayor Sadiq Khan have imported a unique brand of misogyny into our politics yet of
Starting point is 00:01:33 course he's getting a total free pass interrupting the member and never to ask a question? No, no, really. Thank you. Okay. I think I would reflect on Mr Mayor. Stop interrupting me. You interrupt all the women in the chamber when we speak. For those young people watching, all politicians are rude, like some of them are Susan Hall. Some are very polite and courteous.
Starting point is 00:01:59 And some answer questions. Meanwhile, big news today from Reform UK suggesting it's time to ban the burka. Given the Prime Minister's desire to strengthen strategic alignment with our European neighbours, will he in the interest of public safety follow the lead of France, Denmark, Belgian and others and ban the burka. I'll show you Slippery Starmer's pathetic response to that in my digest next, then reveal why Labour cabinet minister Lisa Nandy has warned that the north of England is close to burning. Then we'll get reaction from my superstar panel, Alex Phillips and Father Calvin Robinson. Also coming up on the show today, has Reform UK already broken a key pre-election mass deportation
Starting point is 00:02:56 promise to voters by missing its own deadline wheel debate? Actor Eddie Marston takes on Tommy Robinson on the fake newsagents and Megan Markle making a sick bid to overshadow the royal family's Somerset piece of entrooping the colour. Isn't it just time for King Charles to say enough is enough? Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Megan Kelly weighs in on why Prince Harry has so much to fear. We'll analyze her bombshell claims with royal YouTube sensation P Diner. You can sign up to watch now www.outspoken.live. Of course, at the end of the show, we'll also reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jack
Starting point is 00:03:39 has big political nominees today. Lindsay Hoyle nominated by Mother Clanger for, I mean she calls him Long Hall Hoyle actually, I like that, for taking three private jets while in the Caribbean at a cost of £5,500. The Attorney General, Lord Herman, nominated by Dottie Spot for refusing to review unduly lenient sentences given to a rapist, a paedophile and a terrorist fundraiser despite signing off on the prosecution of Lucy Connolly. And Jess Phillips nominated by Andrew Lightfoot for being too faced regarding the rape gang. So well, three big political nominees for today's Union Jackass. You can vote right now in our live chat on YouTube. I'll bring you the results. We'll check out some of your best comments at the end of the show. So make sure you do stick with us. But now let's go.
Starting point is 00:04:41 It's perhaps the first honest answer we've had from a Labour cabinet minister in months. Our once great United Kingdom is in such a perilous position that the north of England is close to burning to the ground. That admission from soon to be sacked culture secretary Lisa Nandi, is actually not even as shocking as it should be. How much longer can the native English be ignored as we see our towns, cities and communities smashed by uncontrolled immigration as beautiful local hotels are taken over by the terrorists, rapists and murderers invading our southern border via small boats
Starting point is 00:05:24 and the channel in record numbers. That's all while these new sickening figures just out today show that Britain will become a minority white country in just 40 years, as the great replacement goes from so-called conspiracy theory to demographic reality. So let me tell you what Nandi told the new statesman. She said the north of England could go up in flames, adding, Last summer when we had the horrendous murder of those young girls in Southport, there was already a real sense of tension in the north. People have watched their town centres falling
Starting point is 00:06:04 apart, their life has got harder over the last decade and a half, I don't remember a time, she says, when people worked this hard and had so little to show for it. All of that has fuelled a real sense of anger about what people have been asked to put up with, and it all really came to a head around Southport because you know, your children being safe, your community being a decent place to live, it was one of those absolute flashpoint moments, a moment of release. I don't mean the violent organised thuggery, people rejected that very strongly here, but people want to speak out, to be heard. Now when Nandi was asked if it could happen again this summer, she replied, it could do. I mean, we are not complacent about it
Starting point is 00:06:47 at all. But seriously, how can she say that? Labour under Supri Stama is the definition of complacent. Complacent about demographic change, complacent about illegal immigration, complacent about community cohesion spiralling out of control. I mean, it doesn't even exist. Complacent about law and order. And I will say it too, complacent about the vile misogyny being introduced by Islamic leaders who treat our women as second class citizens. Now, if you're in any any doubt that's what's happening. I want you to look at the treatment of women who are trying to hold London's failed Mayor Sadiq Khan to account.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Is that a question? Sorry is that a question? Could you stop interrupting the member and allow me to ask a question? No, not really. Thank you. Okay. I think I would reflect on Mr Mayor. Stop interrupting me. You interrupt all the women in this chamber when we speak. For those young people watching, all politicians are rude like some of them are Susan of all. Some are very polite and courteous. And some answer questions, everybody in the audience. Chair, I want to say this in a way that doesn't appear patronising, but the naivety of the chair of TFL saying publicly a figure. I'm asking for an estimate today Mr Matt, not a figure. I'm not giving you an estimate. I think it
Starting point is 00:08:10 demonstrates why we respect Londoners' right to reject you twice when you stood be man. I have no further questions. You spent more time thinking about how you could answer these questions and less ways you could try and insult me over a petty word choice then you'd probably be in a better position for Londoners. What's that, pocket or black black I don't know if I've offended you in any way but thank you. Pocket or black is it? Assemblymember Best would be finished. She's finished I can assure you that chair. Will you join that campaign yes or no? Assemblymember Best you can write to the mayor and I'm sure we can answer. I have
Starting point is 00:08:43 written he hasn't responded it's a yes or no question 2030 is your own target. Is that something that you can now commit to when it comes to wood burning? Can you answer the questions I know it's obviously difficult for you the actual question I've the question written down. How Ask the question rather than a speech. You need to make sure he answers the question. Let me just tell you. Assembly members ask questions, the Mayor answers them, you don't interrupt him please. He doesn't interrupt you when you ask questions. Hang on. Hang on. Chair, it's very telling how angry you are at me for asking a simple question of the mayor when you weren't that angry at him using a glad three language. You're not supposed to chair
Starting point is 00:09:29 these meetings and it's frankly embarrassing. Tell him at best I'm the chair and you make comments through me. Do you hear that? Do you hear that? Do you hear that? No I won't hear it and I'm hearing it. And I'm carrying it. Sadiq Khan is a sexist pig. And are we really just going to pretend that his religion has nothing to do with this? As World by Wolf reacted, could you imagine if a white Tory spoke to female politicians like Sadiq Khan does? The MSM never cover trans treatment of women because they'll have to ask the question of why he holds women in such low regard and they won't
Starting point is 00:10:13 like the answer. Pakistani and Islamic culture. And for those who doubt there is now widespread anti-white racism amongst our elite class, let me just remind you of Labour's Scottish leader. So no wonder, we'll come back to that in just a moment, so no wonder this post from Matt Goodwin has caused widespread panic last night, caused widespread panic last night as he wrote, while Britons will become a minority by 2063, the foreign-born and their descendants will be a majority by 2079, and roughly one in five will follow Islam by the year 2100. Peter Whittle of the New Culture Forum put it simply 1066 to 2066. Death of a nation. Now the details will horrify you, but no doubt if you express your horror you will still be dismissed by the usual suspects as far right or racist as per usual, but let me just take you through it. White British people will become a minority in the UK population within the next 40 years,
Starting point is 00:11:36 a report has predicted. An analysis of migration, birth and death rates up to the end of the 21st century predicts that white British people will decline from their current position as 73% of the population to 57% by 2050 before slipping into a minority by 2063. The research by Professor Matt Goodwin of Buckingham University suggests that by the end of the century the white British share of the population, defined as people who do not have an immigrant parent, could have fallen to around a third, 33.7%. It projects a big rise in the proportion of the UK population, comprising foreign-born and second- generation immigrants from below 20% to 33.5% within the next five years. By 2100 it predicts 6 in 10 people in the UK will either not have been born in the UK
Starting point is 00:12:36 or will have at least one immigrant parent. The Muslim population, which currently stands at 7%, is estimated to increase to more than 1 in 10 within the next 25 years and account for 1 in 5 of all people in the UK by the end of the century. Professor Goodwin, an honorary professor at Kent University said the research, based on Office for National Statistics and census data raised quote, profound questions about the capacity of the UK state to both absorb and manage the scale of demographic change. In his report, he said the findings were certain to spark a considerable degree of anxiety, concern and political opposition among many voters who favoured lowering immigration and slowing the pace of change in order to maintain the
Starting point is 00:13:31 symbols, traditions, cultures and way of life of the traditional majority group. Matt Goodwin said, their concerns will need to be recognised, respected and addressed if the UK is to avoid considerable political turbulence and polarisation in the years and decades ahead." He added, by the end of the current century, most of the people on these islands will not be able to trace their roots in this country back more than one or two generations. By the year 2100, based on our projections, 6 in 10 people in the UK will not have been born in the UK or born to two UK-born parents. This raises enormous questions about the capacity
Starting point is 00:14:13 of our country and leaders to unify people around a shared sense of identity, values, way of life and culture and avoid the very real risk of us becoming what Sir Keir Starmer referred to in May as an island of strangers. In 2022, the census revealed London and Birmingham had become minority white British. The research compared ethnic identity comprising white British other white groups such as Irish, Gypsy, Roma and other Europeans and non-white, religious identity of non-Muslim versus Muslim and country of birth comparing UK born with foreign born. It projected populations forward by applying age and sex specific fertility mortality and migration rates to 2022 base population derived from the latest UK census data. So while the UK born fertility rate was 1.39, it was 1.97 for foreign born people. For Muslims it was 2.35 and for non-Muslims 1.54.
Starting point is 00:15:19 The research forecasts that the white British share of the population will decline from 73% forecasts that the white British share of the population will decline from 73% to 44% by the end of the year 2075 and to 59.3% by 2100. The analysis suggested that the white population including both white British and white other would become a minority of the population in the year 2079. The share of the UK population that is non-Muslim will gradually fall from 93% to 80%. So I wanted to go through these figures specifically because they are stark. They are shocking. Maybe it's going to finally get the mainstream politicians, including Reform UK, to talk about the risks of demographic change
Starting point is 00:16:22 and why we actually need to have that discussion if there's going to be anything left to fight for. about the risks of demographic change and why we actually need to have that discussion if there's going to be anything left to fight for. So how do we claim our country back? Well, new reform UK MP Sarah Poechin today suggested the burka should be banned, sparking this response from Slippery Starmer. Given the Prime Minister's desire to strengthen strategic alignment with our European neighbours,
Starting point is 00:16:51 will he, in the interests of public safety, follow the lead of France, Denmark, Belgium and others and ban the burqa? Prime Minister. Can I welcome her to her place? I am not going to follow her down that line. Now that she is here and safely in her place, perhaps she could tell her new party leader that his latest plan to bet £80 billion of unfunded tax cuts with no idea how he's going to pay for it, is Liz Truss all over again? Although considering I think she was a Conservative member when Liz Truss was leader, she probably won't. So again, just an absolute rejection of what I believe is a very sensible idea.
Starting point is 00:17:45 I was struck today by a post on X that I wanted to share with you from Saer Shobe, who wrote I genuinely don't understand how people can't see the rising level of racism directed at white people in the UK. These individuals openly criticised the fact that everything is white are doing so while living in a predominantly white country. Now imagine the reverse if a white person said something similar while living in Pakistan, commenting on the number of brown people the outcome would likely be tragic. We all know how Pakistani Christians are treated in Pakistan by the very same mindset. Frankly, these two individuals should be handed a one-way ticket to Pakistan, referring to criminals. It's shocking that they are involved in UK
Starting point is 00:18:32 politics at all. Their views are not only racist, but deeply delusional. Now let me bring in my superstar panel, Father Calvin Robinson and Alex Phillips. And Alex Phillips, it's so lovely to have you alongside Father Calvin today because you've had a very big week and you posted on X. I've been working towards this day for a long long time alongside some really incredible footage of you actually which we can take a little look at getting So Alex talk me through what was going on here. of those Calvin and I, and that's my brother's wife, Becca. And he's a huge part of my life. I feel it.
Starting point is 00:19:49 It's just, it makes me feel so emotional. It brings so many emotions, but mainly pure joy, really, and happiness. But I've been a church goer for four years, and you always feel like a bit of a fraud going to church if you're not baptized. And I've wanted to do this for so long. And then in the end, we just had this last minute decision, let's just do it, let's get done. And it's sort of a bit unorthodox
Starting point is 00:20:15 and probably not the way Cal would necessarily minister these things, but he knows Father Phil. So he knows that all the right words were said and it was all done properly. And it was just a beautiful, joyful occasion with my brother, his wife, my family, his wife's family, all the kids there, kids were standing on the shore shouting Jesus, Jesus. And yeah, honestly, it's making me tear up because it was just so important and so special to me. Oh, that is beautiful.
Starting point is 00:20:39 It brought me such joy to see that Alex, it's wonderful. I've been praying for you for a long time. Obviously, you and I have had many conversations over the years about faith, and I know that you're good friends with my friend, Father Phil, and he's a good spiritual advisor. So I'm so pleased that you've got him in your life and he was there to bring you into the church.
Starting point is 00:20:54 So welcome, welcome to the church. God bless you. It's wonderful, honestly, it really is. It's the best thing I've ever done. That day I'm going to remember forever and ever and ever. And you know, if anyone has sort of found religion in later life, found the calling of the Lord in later life and then chose to be baptised, then they will know how it feels. They'll know the sort of huge emotion and the significance of that
Starting point is 00:21:16 moment. And I hope anybody sitting there who's like, oh, I'd love to believe in God. That looks nice. I wish I could. Do you know what you can? It's so easy. Just, you know, start going to church, start being inquisitive about the Bible. You push the door open just this little bit, just, you know, a little pod in the right direction and you often find it flies open and what's behind it is amazing. Oh, wow. What an amazing note to start the show. And we need don't we because I think one of the reasons people are feeling so hopeless Alex is because we see what's happening to our country. How shocking are these figures that Matt Goodwin has released today and do you understand why Lisa Nandi released today and do you understand why Lisa Nandy is saying look the North of England could end up in flames this summer? Yeah well first of all I don't want to scare people even more but I
Starting point is 00:22:14 actually think Matt Goodwin's been rather smallty conservative with his figures. I've heard other projects that put demographic change to white, Brit, minority status as early frankly as 2050 if not even before then. We already have that in certain cities and towns around the UK and we've been told haven't we that oh it's wonderful we can all live in harmony of different creeds and races and belief systems and all get along because at the end of the day we're all just one human race. Well, unfortunately that's not how humans are wired up to be. Sociologically, tribally, biologically, it just isn't how we are. And equally if you have people from such competing cultures, where one culture extols the rights of women and the other wants to suppress the
Starting point is 00:23:03 rights of women, then you're not going to ever see ITY and live in harmony. And Lisa Nambi is absolutely right. You look at what's going on in France at the moment, which has been massively under-reported, rioting day after day after day, cars being burned, 600 arrests, a police officer in a coma, injuries in Paris, in Dax, around the country. And it's being perpetrated by North African men. Now these aren't actually people who have come to the country recently. These are third generation, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:33 their parents and grandparents came over in want for a better life. And everyone thought, well, great, you know, when we bring people in from these different cultures, they will integrate it by the time it gets to their kids and their grandkids, they're gonna be just the same as us. It's gone the opposite direction very often the offspring of immigrants end up more radical and that seems to exponentially
Starting point is 00:23:50 increase and so we're now at risk. France is already on the cusp of civil war and civil unrest and insurrection. We saw in Southport the same in Britain. We can see it in Sweden, you can see it in Germany. We are constantly now living in a tinderbox because there's been this ridiculous, now I think largely irreversible social experiment, an act of flagrant cultural vandalism that has created balkanized societies where nobody really gets along, there's no community, there's no glue that binds people together and when that stuff disappears, guess what? You start having resentment, jealousy, competition, anger, bitterness. And I think that we're in an extremely precarious position.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Across most of Europe now we're in an extremely precarious position where just one small attack, one terror attack, one incident that people see as a result of this ridiculous, awful, criminal social experiment that's been conducted now for about three decades, and people are going to want to go out and protest. And that is why, in my opinion, that the riots that happened in Southport were to some degree curated. We had those televised trials because the security services, the intelligence agencies know how febrile and fragile a situation we're living in. And so because they dare not go after minorities, instead they want to demonize, bully, silence, censor, intimidate and dissuade the white native population from actually going out protesting or raising a voice. And it's dreadful that it's come to this. Of course, and they were able to blame those so-called riots on and far right,
Starting point is 00:25:30 which we now know, according to the official reports, didn't even exist. Father Calvin Rumsson, I want to specifically get you to talk about Sadiq Khan, though, because part of this demographic change means that we now have these Muslim leaders who are very open about their sectarian goals and we've seen this week Nigel Farage I think quite brilliantly take on Anas Sarwar, the Labour leader in Scotland. But why is it that Sadiq Khan is able to treat women in a quite clearly sexist manner over many, many years, and no one talks about it because it's as if his faith gives him some sort of pass. Well, it is his faith, it is his culture, it is his way of life, unfortunately, and we've reached
Starting point is 00:26:19 a point in our society where we've said we have to accept people's cultures regardless of how they interact with our own. It may be too late to have an impact in that regard in that we have shipped hordes of Mohammedans over to the United Kingdom who do have a very different outlook on life, very different way of treating women, subjugating women you might say, and we've got the diversity, inclusion and equity values of we must treat all cultures equally and respect all cultures and faiths and not disparage any. And so how do those two things go hand in hand? Well, they don't. Either we are bold enough and courageous enough to say, actually, Islam is incompatible with Christianity. Islam is incompatible with
Starting point is 00:27:03 the West and therefore we want to rid the West of Islam or we embrace it and say okay well the United Kingdom is clearly becoming predominantly Islamic. What shall we do about that? Shall we speak to the royal family about becoming the head of the Islamic caliphate rather than the Church of England? Like we need to make a decision. It is crunch time and these demographic changes have been happening for a number of years. I believe everything that Alex said was spot- on. We've been down this slippery slope for at least three decades now and we're only just reaching the point of conversation. Right now we're able
Starting point is 00:27:35 to have conversations in the public that people like Tommy Robinson have been having for the last 20 years and being besmirched for it. We have people like Piers Morgan finally waking up. We have mainstream people that go where the wind's blowing finally saying, okay, let's address Islam, let's address mass immigration. But it may already be too late, right? This data that Matt Goodwin's put out, it is a conservative data,
Starting point is 00:28:01 but we've seen data like this for years and years now. And in fact, I'm in a group chat with Matt Guggenheim. He said this morning among the under 40s, it will be by 2050 ish, not 2060 something. And so if the younger generation is already going to be predominantly Islamic or predominantly non-white by 2050, we have very little time to turn things around. The generation that's going to be having children over the next few years is the generation that shapes the nation. And so what do we do about that? Having conversations is not enough. It's far too late for conversations. We need to have mass deportation. We need to have repatriation.
Starting point is 00:28:39 We need to work on changing something, doing something. If we don't, it's already done. The country's cooked. I'm sorry, I'm not being blackmailed or being ill-despairing. It's just statistical, demographical fact. Absolutely. And I totally agree with both of you that I believe while Matt Goodwin has done an absolutely brilliant job with this, the figures are conservative. I mean, it's going to be a heck of a lot less than 40 years. And that's why it is so urgent that action is taken immediately. Developing today, a major new row between Reform UK and its critics, including Axt MP Rupert Lowe, over whether it has broken a key pre-election promise to reveal a clear mass deportation plan in May. Well, just check your diaries folks, we are in June and there is no plan that has come
Starting point is 00:29:42 to the fore. We will debate this with Father Calvin Robinson and Alex Phillips in just one moment, but first look at very clearly the promises that were made before the local elections. In three to four weeks time, announce more detailed policy on how we will actually carry out those deportations. We'll do that after the election, but I make the intention very, very clear here today. You know, we talk about we'll deport everybody who's here illegally inside Nigel's first term, which would then obviously act as the ultimate deterrent from further people coming.
Starting point is 00:30:28 All of it, we estimate over 1.2 million people here illegally. They need to be deported as well and Nigel will do that in his first term. We're going to cut net migration to zero, we'll stop the boats and we'll deport everybody who's here illegally. What about people who are here already? Okay, what about people who are here already? Rupert Lowe posted about this on the 24th of April, Farage stated at a big press conference in Dover that in three to four weeks time the detailed deportation policy would be released. On April the 26th, Youssef posted the full policy document and detailed plan will be
Starting point is 00:31:00 published next month. May gone, no sign of any detailed policy. Where is it? Where is the proper mass deportation policy? 1200 crossed yesterday. This is urgent. Stop messing around with inane policies to expand the welfare state and produce a detailed plan on the illegals. In April they relented following overwhelming deportation pressure exerted by the quote online right and thousands of reformed members. They scrambled to hold this conference to push back the tide. It worked partly. But when you say something, you have to deliver it. At least,
Starting point is 00:31:36 that's how I like to operate. They have not delivered again. They're just hoping this goes away. People will forget and members will forget. If you're a supporter this goes away. People will forget. And members will forget. If you're a supporter, email them. They made you a pledge. Ask why they haven't delivered. Hold them to account. The reform leadership does not want mass deportations of illegal migrants. Farage labeled my deportation calls as a very grave, dark and dangerous use of language.
Starting point is 00:32:01 I was censored at a reform event for wanting to use the term mass deportation. Just look at the language they constantly deploy, deporting those who come illegally. Future tense. That is weak. That is not good enough. One sniff of the Westminster upholstery and Farage has gone soft. As we know, they all must go. Every single illegal migrant must be deported. That has to be the ultimate objective. Just like with Reform's promised rape gang inquiry in January, they will take the headlines but fail to deliver. I am yet to see an apology from Viraj on that. To be involved in a political party that would so brazenly go back on such an important pledge makes my skin crawl. Again, for my small role in that, I am sorry, it is filthy politics, we have had broken promises from political parties for decades."
Starting point is 00:32:52 That was incredibly tough from Rupert Lowe, and unfortunately it doesn't at this point seem to be the only promise that Reform UK has not kept. World by Wolf posted on X in February, Nigel Farage said he'd bring a private prosecution against Jonathan Reynolds MP. Now he was the business secretary who lied about being a solicitor. Four months later, have lawyers been instructed? Have papers been served? How many flagrant lies must Farage tell before his supporters hold him to account? We don't need another liar in number 10. So this was the claim that Farage made about Jonathan Reynolds. I can tell you tonight that there will be a private prosecution brought against Jonathan Reynolds. Okay, so let's debate this now. Alex Phillips, she is proudly a supporter of Nigel Farage
Starting point is 00:33:52 and father Calvin Robinson, well, he's not. So Alex Phillips, I guess the issue that I've got is these are very, very good things to say. But doesn't Rupert Lowe have a point that it's not enough to say them, you have to do them. So if you promise a private prosecution of Jonathan Reynolds, you've got to do it. You've got the headlines in February, but where is it? If you say that by May, by the end of May, you're going to have a clear policy release on mass deportations, you've got to deliver it. Don't you worry, Alex Phillips, and obviously in your past, you were one of Nigel Farage's key lieutenants, especially on the communications game.
Starting point is 00:34:31 But don't you worry that they're playing the short-term communication game and not actually delivering on the promises they're making. And that is a concern. I'm not particularly worried. Actually, as with everybody from reform last night at the pub, and I know full well that so much stuff is in train. They're an incredibly busy party trying to draw up policy.
Starting point is 00:34:49 They had to fight the local elections, get all the candidates for that. They've now got to orchestrate the auditing at local council level. They've created a private sector team to do that pro bono as they've also created a private sector legal team who will operate pro bono to push back against migrant hotels. And I have absolute confidence the policy units will be working on that. But if you're going to come up with a policy, you'd better make sure it's deliverable.
Starting point is 00:35:13 You better make sure it's legally tight. You'd better make sure you've done the costings for it. So perhaps their time has slipped. And I look forward to seeing that policy in due course. We're four years away still from a general election. So there's four years within which parties have to draw up manifestos with fully meted out plans. Okay so it hasn't come in May, we're only just into June, let's wait and see. I know how busy that party is,
Starting point is 00:35:38 I know how tirelessly everybody is working and it's life. Sometimes you make a plan to do something. I've been planning for the last week to write an article that I've promised people that I haven't managed to get around to doing because life got rather busy and there were other things I had to attend to. So I'm fairly confident that we are going to get that policy. The fact that whether it comes at the end of May, which it hasn't, or in June, or even frankly in the next year, I don't particularly care about it, but they have to do it but they have to do it properly there's no point doing something half cocked which then doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Father Kelvin are you worried? Well Alex makes some fair points but at the same time life is busy and we're all working hard but then you don't set a deadline if
Starting point is 00:36:22 you can't meet it. If I set a work deadline and I don't meet it, I don't get paid. If a politician sets a deadline and they don't meet it, they shouldn't get our votes. They should only make promises that they are sure they can keep because we are sick and tired of too many promises being broken. And they may not be lying. It may be that they meant these dates to be stuck to, but if they don't follow through, what good is it to any of us? This is the problem we face with politics in Britain at the moment.
Starting point is 00:36:44 We don't know who to trust because we've been beaten and abused for so long. It's kind of, it's a really bad relationship that we have with our establishment. And when it looks like the party who's supposed to be against the establishment is joining the establishment, then we're kind of like, then who do we vote for? People are lost, confused. And this is why people are clinging on with a thread of hope that Farage will be the last saviour of British politics. I don't particularly think he will be, but if people are hanging on to that, I understand why they are, because they want to see change. They want to see a difference and reform and keep promising change. They keep promising to make a difference, but they don't seem to have whatever it is that they need to make
Starting point is 00:37:20 it through, to follow through. And so they need to fix that. They need to become more professional. First and foremost, they need to fix that. They need to become more professional. First of all, they need to become a proper party that people can become members of, voting members of a democratic party, which is something that Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe have been talking about for months now. So first, they need to become a party.
Starting point is 00:37:35 But once they are a party, they need to follow through with everything that they say if they wanna build trust. And I get it, I get it. They're playing the party game of not, not steaming too far right in terms of mass immigration, mass deportation. Don't use those words because they want to court the middleman, the centrist dads, which is fine if you want to expand your vote space, but don't leave your call behind. Make sure you have your call with you. Otherwise you
Starting point is 00:37:58 will have nobody. Yeah. And I think because we're so many years out, don't say something if all you're trying to do is get a cheap headline. I'm not speaking about the mass deportation policy there, but I'm speaking about the private prosecution of Jonathan Reynolds. Clearly that was a cheap headline. Don't make a promise you can't keep because we do need to have faith. This does have to be a new type of politics. Then of course you get to the whole issue of the left versus right thing. And I do want to discuss this because I'm sorry, I'm unashamed in the fact I do want a right-wing party. I think
Starting point is 00:38:32 the UK deserves a right-wing party. I think this is the moment for a true right-wing small c party to take control of the United Kingdom. And this constant desire for Reform UK to say that it's not a party of the right, it's not a party of the left while clearly moving to the centre left on policy does concern me. Here's how their deputy leader Richard Tice defended it to the spectator. Labour breakfast and a bit of Labour tea maybe after the Tory lunch and look at the end of the day if you want to win elections then you've got to win votes from all over but I come back to this point all of these labels about left and right forget it it's actually about common-sense
Starting point is 00:39:18 politics common-sense business like deals for on behalf of the taxpayer. And then later in that interview, Richard Tice actually said for people who are concerned about Reform UK and this policy shift, just trust us. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not going to trust any political party. I need to see deliverables. I need to see a clear plan. And personally, I don't want to just have a party of common sense, I do want to have a party of the right. You wouldn't say Margaret Thatcher would have said that she was just a party of common sense. No, no, no. She was proudly a conservative party on the right. And this is something that the future conservative leader Robert is making a real play of. Watch. reform, doing this wacky cryptocurrency policy in Las Vegas. I mean, I'm all for innovation, but this is not the number one priority of my constituents in Newark. I don't think reform
Starting point is 00:40:32 have the answers to the challenges this country faces. That is what I'm focused on. And Liam Halligan, who was of course all of our colleague at GB News, brilliant economics guy, posts on this. Labour and reform, the two parties currently most likely to win the next election, now look to be shivvying each other into ever higher spending commitments. This at a time of genuine financial peril, with state debt service costs well over £100 billion per annum and 30-year guilt yields at a multi-decade high. What we need is an opposition party to counter the big spending message appealing to millions of voters who know in their bones successive UK
Starting point is 00:41:15 governments have spent beyond their means and that at some point the music will stop with painful economic and financial consequences. This is the opportunity Kemmy Bader-Oorres have been waiting for. Have they the courage to take it? Well, I would say almost certainly not. But Alex Phillips, do you understand where I'm coming from? Like, no, I don't want you to be to the left. I think we deserve a right-wing party. And at the moment, Reform UK seems to be saying quite unashamedly,
Starting point is 00:41:43 no, we're not a right-wing party. As someone who's confirmed the origins of UK seems to be saying quite unashamedly, no, we're not a right wing party. Well, as someone who's come from the origins of UKIP 1.0, UKIP 1.0 was not technically a right wing party, if you're going to do the drop down menu, because UKIP, as has Reform UK, have built in some fairly left wing economic policies, and that's always been the case. It's country first, it's about putting the nation first, whether that is regarding nationalizing certain entities or a pro-natal policy. I did notice when Nigel did his press conference on lifting the two child benefits cap, it's been costed and they've figured out how they're going to do it and there were other offers in there which I personally applaud, like making sure office developments have crashes but I don't think it's a fully fleshed out proposal yet and I wonder if that's going to make the cuts come the actual manifesto in four years time but you know I don't think there's anything wrong with encouraging people to have more babies we know we've got a huge demographic problem we've just spoken about it there haven't we when it comes to Matt Goodwin's look at what's going to change in the United Kingdom, we know that we need Brits to be having more babies and so there needs to be ways
Starting point is 00:42:50 to address that and he also made it very clear that this is not going to be a policy, it's not the welfare, it's not going to be open to migrants who have come into the country. So you know at the end of the day when it comes to the labels of left wing and right wing, I don't think they're always technically helpful. I'd rather political parties have a small board of ideas and policies that interlink and have a conjoined plan and don't necessarily adhere to the idea that, well, because we're right-wing on this issue, we've got to be the same on all of these other issues. But I'm not personally for lifting the two child benefits cap.
Starting point is 00:43:22 I don't think at the moment it is a priority. There are other ways to encourage natalism in the country. Like I said, as a woman of childbearing age, what would be really blimmin' helpful would be if I could go to work, there'd be somewhere to leave the baby while I presented a show and pick it up again. Something affordable, which is why I think companies, big companies, big businesses, big office developments,
Starting point is 00:43:42 as well as having the coffee cart and the breakout space so Keith and the counts can go shoot some hoops and the gym in the basement and the roof terrace where you can have a drink once you finish work. Where do you put the kids? That is more important, propagating and saving the human race is more important than Keith and the counts sitting on a bean bag.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And so I think we really need to look in that direction when it comes to pro-Nazis policy, because what you want to do is encourage people who are working. Well, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And the problem is, Father Kelvin, for all of the talk that we do have mega issues in terms of our birth rate, right? And no one is denying that. And our friend who's been better on this than really anyone in the country, it's a passion of his, Colin Brazier, is against the reform UK policy on the Soreda column that he wrote about that. And the problem is, Father Coven, when we're talking about demographic change, when we're talking about these Matt Goodwin figures,
Starting point is 00:44:39 the lifting of the child benefit cap is really going to help most that Muslim population where the birth rate is already so much higher. But Father Calderon- Sure, but I don't think that's good enough of an excuse. Get rid of that Muslim population. If we're going to have welfare systems, if we're going to have benefits, I think they should be going towards mothers. The question of what do we do with the children?
Starting point is 00:45:03 Where do we put the children? They should be at home with their mothers, learning from their mothers. Motherhood is the highest vocation we have. It's a great blessing, it's a great gift. And it's a shame to forget Keith and accounts, it's a shame to have Judy on screen. Like, be at home with your children women, for goodness sake. We don't want to put them in pressures, we don't want to ship them off to the States to indoctrinate. We want mothers raising their children properly. And to do that, sometimes they need support from the state. Yeah, it's a fascinating debate. Father Calvin, what do you make overall of this idea that actually Reform UK is sort of leaning into not being a right wing party?
Starting point is 00:45:44 Does that give an opportunity for the Conservatives to come back as Liam Halligan is suggesting? It does if they have the co-owners to do so. I don't think the current Conservative Party does but they could eventually get to a point where they say, look, we are a right-wing party where they could go. We are a fascist right party, economically right-wing, socially right-wing. They haven't been socially right wing for a long time. Occasionally they've been economically right wing. I was in the Conservative Party
Starting point is 00:46:09 when they brought in austerity measures. That was a hard sell on the doorstep, but it was about responsibility. It was about saying, we don't have a magic monetary and we can't spend more than we earn. And it was about bringing the country back into controllable means of spending and not living off debt. We went through years of that. It was
Starting point is 00:46:25 finally starting to work and then Covid comes along and oh the Conservatives find the magic monetary that they've been telling Labour about for all these years and splashed and spend it and furloughed the country into Brazilians of debts that we'll never get out of again. And so it will take a hard sell to come back to being economically conservative, but at least it will be good to see some socially conservatives again. I don't think the Reform Party is there. I think they're too afraid of the term right wing or even centre right at this point. They really, really want to court the middle ground, the centre stats. They want to be acceptable around the dinner party. They want to be the establishment essentially. And the conservatives are still there. They're
Starting point is 00:47:04 already there. So it's a case of can they be brave enough to push out of that and say, no, this is a small, small conservative country. The way to fix it is small, small conservative values, both socially and economically. And we're going to embrace them and push them hard. Do they have what it takes? Either of them? I don't think they do it. Current. But we've got like, like you guys have both been saying, we've got four years. That's a long time in politics. Anything can happen between now and the next election Breaking today newly released Tommy Robinson has launched his strongest most stringent attack on the British mainstream media as Their attacks on him continue this time by the working working class actor Eddie Marzan on the fake news agents.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Before we get to that though, I've got to show you what is very much Tommy's biggest repost yet to the mainstream British newspapers, notably the Daily Mail. He's of course involved in that harassment case involving their journalists and also The Sun 2. It's called Press Accusion which I think is very clever. We'll analyze it with our superstar panel Father Calvin Robinson and Alex Phillips in just one moment but first watch this very strident new release. Some of you may have read news stories from these sources today. The Sun, The this very strident new release. They just want your attention. Because the longer they have your attention, the more money they can make. Do the mainstream media care about finding the truth?
Starting point is 00:48:54 Do they care about following a code of conduct? Do they make sure that their actions are morally just? Are truthful, honest? Or do they just care about finding a sensationalised story that gets your attention? There's only one journalist in this room, John, and it's not you. Described as homegrown extremists, they are self-radicalised. The basis is that planning to hurt or possibly kill Tommy Robinson. We are in receipt of the following information which suggests your personal safety is now in danger.
Starting point is 00:49:21 And ever bump into Tommy, bro. Just do him, bro. Just do him. The police have been contacting me to meet them because they need to give us Osmond warnings. Cut your neck off, I know you're an idiot. I'm gonna cut your throat, I hate that. So you can take photos and endanger my family? Man, I don't know if it's not endangering your family.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Tommy! Tommy Robinson, hey! You wanna fucking play rough, huh? Tommy, I am gonna min fucking play rough, huh? Tommy, I am gonna meet your kids, mate. Tommy Robinson, I've got a message for you. Bump, bump, bump! Incredibly powerful stuff, Father Calvin Robinson. Upon his release from HMP Woodhill, Tommy Robinson
Starting point is 00:50:06 said that he believed the mainstream media is the cancer destroying Britain, but the independent media is the cure. So do you think this is right for his first major campaign upon exiting prison to be taking on directly the mainstream media, specifically those big newspapers, including The Sun and The Daily Mail, by the way, which a lot of people might assume are on the side because they are broadly considered to be right-wing papers. Absolutely. There are no right-wing papers in the UK anymore. The Telegraph and The Times included. They're all left-wing rags at this point, or establishment rags. The problem is exactly as Tommy pointed out,
Starting point is 00:50:48 they want your attention because the more of your attention they have, the more ad revenue they make. It's all about making money, it's a business stream. It's not about journalism anymore, there's no integrity, there's no honesty, there is no fact-finding. It's just sensational headlines, destroying lives, destroying the country for their own personal benefit. It's a great shame. So absolutely, it's a good target for him to come out guns blazing, take down the mainstream media,
Starting point is 00:51:12 because the benefits of the independent media are that people have so much choice, so they could tune into the people that they trust to get the information from people that they know are doing the work behind it. And they don't have to listen to ITV, four, they don't have to pay the BBC for the privilege of doing so either. And all of this is changing the landscape actually, because the mainstream media has been controlling the narrative of our country for a long time. And I think people have woken up to this, especially over COVID, when we weren't allowed to discuss where COVID came from. We weren't allowed to challenge the idea that these jabs might be harmful. We weren't allowed to discuss where COVID came from, we weren't allowed to challenge the idea that these jabs might be harmful. We weren't allowed to discuss, well, if we need vitamin D
Starting point is 00:51:48 and it's a benefit for our health, why are we not allowed outside for many hours of the day? All this stuff, we weren't allowed to have conversations. The mainstream media controlled the narrative for the government because they're paid lots of money from the government to do so. And so people woke up to finally realizing that they'd been manipulated for years. I was speaking to a friend of
Starting point is 00:52:07 mine just before I came on there and she said I've just watched Tommy Robinson's Oxford Union address from 10 years ago and actually he was spot-on in everything but the media have been telling me for years he's a far right racist thug and actually if I was wrong about him maybe I was wrong about EDL too and I looked into EDL and Tommy was burning Nazi flags he was certainly certainly not a fascist or a Nazi. Why did I believe he was? Indeed, why did you believe? Why did any of us believe any of these things? Because the media has been manipulating us from day one. They don't want us to listen to people who affect their narrative. They want to control it because controlling it controls us, controlling us
Starting point is 00:52:40 earns them all the money. And so we need to break down the entire industry, and it's on the way out anyway. Nobody watches television, nobody listens to the radio, nobody buys newspapers anymore. The demographic of people that do is so small and anyone that told you otherwise is lying because mainstream media is on the way out and it's already been replaced by the independent media. Mason- Yeah and I think Alex Phillips, one of the problems is that these newspapers have been part of painting Tommy Robinson as a monster without any type of nuance. And personally, I, I mean, remember I've worked for both of those two newspapers that he's targeting the mail and the sun, but I actually support what he's doing here.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Yeah. I mean, I don't know what sort of relationships there's been between successive governments and the editors of newspapers. We know that they meet up and have conversations. I don't know whether there's been any instruction that in order, I mean, it's like I was saying earlier with the televised riots, the curation of that process
Starting point is 00:53:40 in order to try and make sure that there isn't insurrection, that there isn't a sort of a conflagration. And I don't know how much there's been conversations about that regarding the coverage of Tommy Robinson. You're both right as well when it comes to the media is reliant on making money. It's a business. You know, if you're a journalist or if you're a newspaper proprietor and you want your newspaper to keep being bought, you have to put in the material that people are going to want to read. And so unfortunately, market forces and capitalist forces do tend to end up dictating the stories in newspapers. And then after that, you have an editor's particular feel or want of the direction of travel of a newspaper, which can change. You know, typically the sun, as you know well, Dan,
Starting point is 00:54:20 often tries to back whoever they think is going to win the election rather rather than say we're always going to stick with this particular party. I've seen some interesting editorial shifts in newspapers, and there are newspapers out there producing, or journalists out there producing great content. For instance, it was The Telegraph who carried Matt Goodwin's demographic research today. The Daily Mail often keeps us updated on crimes being committed by foreigners. You know, there's, there is good stuff and good journalism out there, but it is an industry that is in decline. It is an industry that's suffering. It's an industry that has increasingly lost the trust of the public. And that is what is such a great pity, because the thing is, I'm a journalist,
Starting point is 00:55:01 Dan, you're a journalist, Dan, it is a profession. And in the same way that you need people with expertise that you can have confidence in, doing other jobs up and down the country, whether it's heart surgery or collecting your dustbins, I think it is important that there are journalists who are the honest, dependable gatekeepers of information and that bridge between what is going on in the world
Starting point is 00:55:22 and the public. But I'm afraid a lot of the time that relationship has been abused in ways that Calvin was describing. I mean what happened with press censorship around COVID, that I think is another example of where a government is likely to have sat down with a newspaper editor and said right this is what we need you to do, we know that happened with social media companies and we later found out of course that you know when we were demonised for talking about the origins of COVID coming out of that virology lab, it was true. And the same thing when people are raising questions about vaccines, we were censored so much and bribed into taking them, when frankly, most of the population probably didn't
Starting point is 00:55:56 require a vaccine and may have actually suffered as a consequence. So there have been things recently that have hugely damaged the relationship between what should be a free and independent and honest press and the public. I think one of the issues of course is that the independent space is also being flooded with folk on the left who are absolutely establishment shills. Of course, the fake news agents are one of the worst offenders, Emily Maitlis and John Sokol. And I wanted to flag specifically this interview with the actor Eddie Marston, who has taken on Tommy Robinson. I'll just get Stephen Wolf to set it up actually, because he posted on this, I get sick of elitist actors like Eddie Marston who state the working class
Starting point is 00:56:50 are thick and can't think for themselves. We are not manipulated and don't eat our flags, we just know that people like you can't abide our patriotism, our love of being English, our historic culture and that we don't identify with the culture of Hollywood, who wrap themselves up in flags of decadence and selfish narcissism. Now you're going to understand why Stephen Wolf was so worked up when you see the disgusting way that Sopel and Maitlis react to the claims that Eddie Marston makes here. If you come from an immigrant community, you think long-term, you put more investment in education and learning. And the problem with the white work, and if and if you don't the problem with for my experience And I can only speak from my experience of the white working class is that we value
Starting point is 00:57:51 Identity we value patriotism. We wrap ourselves in a flag. We value tribalism and I think what that does is it allows you to be manipulated by people like Trump and Tommy Robinson. These guys used to walk down Bethlehem Road three times a year and they were waving their flags but it never improved their lives. You can't eat a flag. If you look now, you look at the education statistics now amongst the white working class as opposed to the children of immigrants, Chinese and African and Asian and black kids they're outscoring
Starting point is 00:58:29 them why are they outscoring them because they are the children of immigrants and the immigrants value education what they do is they don't look at say they don't look at identity they don't look at themselves as a fixed thing they look at themselves as potential yeah what they could be well they could be and we look at ourselves as potential. Yeah, what they could be. What they could be. And we look at ourselves as, this is what I am and don't you dare change it. That's the problem. That's fascinating.
Starting point is 00:58:51 It's absolutely fascinating. But you responded to Tommy Robinson. I mean, you know, for all you said about not wanting to say the wrong thing on social media. You responded to one of Tommy Robinson's tweets. I literally grew up with people like Tommy Robinson walking down Befton Gereme Road three times a week and if I'd gone get a bygill on a Sunday morning on Brick Lane There'd be a there'd be the National Front would be on the corner of Brick Lane every week. I grew up with this And what do you say to him?
Starting point is 00:59:17 I can't really say Yes, you can We've all said worse We'd all tell him to fuck off I mean my mum when I was a kid my mum got me a T-shirt that said, one race a human race. And she said, go and stand on the corner, boy. And go on. I was terrible.
Starting point is 00:59:32 She said, stand on the corner, boy, and cut him off. LAUGHTER Tackling like hyenas, of course, Father Kelvin. And once again, looking down on us, we're all too stupid. That is fundamentally what he's saying. The contempt they have for the ordering working class British people. What's the, is it John, what's the guy who was in the background just laughing? John Sople.
Starting point is 00:59:58 He said you can't eat flags. It's just horrible. No, you can't eat flags, but you know what? You can't eat a Greek. You Edward Spiegel supporter John Sople. John Sople, yeah. It's just horrible. No, you can't eat flags. But you know what? You can't eat a degree. You can't eat flags, but you can't eat flags. And they can sit around saying, oh, these people are manipulated by patriots because of this. Yes, they have an identity, and they have a tribe, and they love that identity, and they love that tribe. There's
Starting point is 01:00:17 nothing wrong with that. But it's the same from the other end of the spectrum too. These upper-middle-class people, but to to put too much emphasis on education are manipulated by academics and scientists. Again, we saw this throughout COVID when it was almost an idol made out of science, follow the science, follow the science and the scientists were there on pedestals literally at lecterns lecturing us, preaching at us, telling us how to live our lives, what we were allowed to do, how often we were allowed to breathe fresh air, when we were allowed to see our dying mothers, for goodness sake. And so to sit there and say, oh, it's the lower class people that are manipulated, we're all manipulated, is the problem, but it's by who? I would much rather be around fellow patriots who love their country, who love their culture,
Starting point is 01:01:03 who love their tribe that I am proud to be a part of, than around people who sit around sneering looking down their noses at us and this idea that we can be better, we're just, what was the word they used? A potential that everyone has to improve. What if people are happy where they are? What if people are content? There's nothing wrong with being content. This capitalist idea that everyone needs to strive to be better somehow and that success is somehow having a better sports car or a bigger house. It's empty, it's superficial, clap trap. Actually the truth is the working class folks who grew up in the neighbourhood that they still live in and that they die in, around their grandparents, their cousins, their aunties,
Starting point is 01:01:42 their families together, growing up as a community, raising their children together as a community. They are the people who are much happier, much more fulfilled, much more content because they understand the true rewards. Toby – Totally. Alex Phillips, what was your feeling watching that clip? Because to me, it was almost like, oh yeah, this is the working class guy we like. That's how they feel because he signs up to their ideology. Of course, he's a privileged actor. Sure he's got an accent, but he's one of them. It's funny, he didn't start off with an accent during that interview and also didn't
Starting point is 01:02:16 seem to find it and become more working class the more he spoke about it. It's as if his sort of statistics potential is still that person who's got the best degree. as if the sort of statistics potential is still that person who got the best of green. But, you know, I just I am so fed up with this whole immigrants are like this, white people are like, no, people are people. You've got immigrants who work really hard and have kids who get fantastic exam results. And you've got immigrants who do absolutely chaff all and sit there and have loads of babies and feed off the state. You've got white people who work really hard and go on to change the world with great innovations. You've got white people who do absolutely naffle,
Starting point is 01:02:49 waste their lives and don't contribute anything to society. You know, it isn't them and us. There's all sorts of different people. And I hate the way that this game of, immigrants are so wonderful. They should be beatified that, you know, because they've come here making their new lives, aren't they what they're all so sacred?
Starting point is 01:03:04 No, some are dreadful people. Some are murderers, some are rapists, some are terrorists. And in the same way that we have to be careful on our side, extolling all of our virtues about realizing they're dreadful people who walk among us as well. But it comes down to luxury ideology, fashionable viewpoints. And the thing is, if he was still a working class guy in Bethnal Green and hadn't become a successful actor with loads of money in the bank, and he was in Bethnal Green right now and going to Brit Lane right now, and he was the only white man there, he might
Starting point is 01:03:33 think and feel a little bit differently to how he does given his station in life at present. Very, very well put, Alex Phillips. And Father Calvin Br Bromson both stand by because in just one minute I'm going to show you the most grotesque video involving Meghan the Duchess of Sussex and Prince Harry I've ever seen. I actually think I'm not even exaggerating, I think this is the moment that King Charles should just say enough is enough as we reveal their plans to overshadow trooping the colour this summer. So don't go anywhere. I promise you, you're not going to want to miss this video. But first, the great thing about having you here on Outspoken is that you are awake to
Starting point is 01:04:16 the massive problems with the mainstream media and the disturbing reality that it's impossible to trust the fact checkers who try and dictate the narrative. Now given we love the news and want to stay informed but no longer believe so much of what the establishment gatekeepers tell us, it can leave us in quite a predicament, right? But I have the solution. It's called ground news and it's the best way to stay informed and cut through media bias and manipulative narratives so you can get the facts for yourself. I actually have it on my phone and in my bookmarks online because it's become so essential to my daily life. And you can see for yourself at ground.news slash outspoken.
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Starting point is 01:05:21 or right, illustrated by its biased distribution chart. Then if you scroll down you can see every headline about the story along with the political bias and ownership of the publication. Interestingly and promisingly, 32% of the sources in this case are independent. Now the left-wing media covered the story predictably with Wales online flagging her racial hatred tweet and the Daily Mirror going full on political propaganda with the headline Tory councillor's wife jailed for sending set fires to hotel, loser's appeal bid. But the coverage on the right-leaning outfits was actually far more accurate, with Guido
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Starting point is 01:06:37 If you're watching on YouTube or rumble to subscribe today and check this out today, you will get 40% off the same vantage plan that I use for unlimited access. So that's ground.news slash outspoken. But now back to the show. Breaking today, I've had enough. King Charles simply has to strip Prince Harry and Meghan Markle of their titles. Not only have they instigated this sick plan, sick and twisted plan, to steal all of the attention away from trooping the colour this summer, there is the release of a really unbecoming new video on Meghan Markle's Instagram page.
Starting point is 01:07:24 This, by the the way comes after a flurry of posts where she is monetizing her four-year-old daughter Lily with highly personal pictures of both Meghan and Harry. But now later on in the day after bombarding social media with all of these posts we get a video and this video will shock you not because it's anything particularly wrong, but because it is just so unbecoming for this couple who at one point were representative of the British royal family.
Starting point is 01:07:56 So Meg and Michael posted on this, four years ago today, this also happened. Both of our children were a week past their due dates. So when spicy food, all that walking and acupuncture didn't work, there was only one thing left to do. Something left to do that I think probably should have been kept private, but today, Megan has decided that she wants the whole world to see her husband and herself acting like this. We'll get reaction from my superstar panel, Alex Phillips and father Calvin Robinson.
Starting point is 01:08:27 But first, oh my goodness, watch this. I've been pregnant for way too long. I tell the DJ turn it off. If she a baby mama, she gon' do that baby mama. She gon' put it on you, she gon' do that baby mama Work, she gon' put it on you, she gon' do that baby mama Drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, the door Yeah, I'm pregnant, but I got an ill flow Trying to make some money, buy some huggies from the store S to the T-A, double R-K to the E-I-S-H-A And I don't play, doing my way Prickle, but I'm still doing moves like Beyonce
Starting point is 01:09:16 Yeah, I said I'm pregnant, pregnant Give the child support and pay my rent, pay my rent Your opinion is irrelevant, irrelevant Cause I'm a baby mama, I can do just what I wanna turn out. If she a baby mama, she gon' do that baby mama. Work. She gon' put it on you, she gon' do that baby mama. Drop, drop, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, dropping there with her bump because she's so concerned about the fact that many people have got wise to the fact that it's probably not real, including Liz Jones in the Daily Mail who has said that she needs to come out publicly and actually prove that she did give
Starting point is 01:10:13 birth to those children. But put that to one side. This is gross and grim and deranged on every level. Prince Harry allowing a video like that so private to be put into the public domain to try and make some sort of point is equally awful. And what this shows now is that these two are actually not even on the D list, they are on the Z list. Every single project they have touched has turned to shit and this for me is a final straw because there is nothing royal about this. These two are now an international embarrassment for
Starting point is 01:10:51 the royal family and I really really do think that the time has come to strip the titles. Father Kelvin Robinson, Alex Phillips, please help me here. I mean, Father Kelvin, what was that about? I mean, we're meant to be classy!" ALICE I can't believe you made us watch that. ALICE I apologize! ALICE That was atrocious. That was so sad, isn't it? The first thing I thought when I saw it was, oh, she's trying to prove that she was pregnant. Because there have been all these rumors for so long that she didn't actually
Starting point is 01:11:23 give birth to those children. But it didn't even look like she was truly pregnant in the video. It was weird, the ball that she was holding while she was dancing. I've not seen any pregnant woman dancing in that way. Then again, I'm not really surrounded by women that would dance in that way. It was uncouth. It's not something I'd expect of a princess, but then again, she's not really a princess. she's married into the royal family. And well, you can put a lipstick on a pig, right? Alex Phillips? Yeah, what the hell is in that bump, half of Wembley Stadium?
Starting point is 01:11:55 Like, what is it? I don't know, I'm looking at that and I'm like, I don't, like what? How many babies did she have? It doesn't to me, actually. I never bought into the conspiracy theory that she was never pregnant, but looking at that,
Starting point is 01:12:08 I'm beginning to think that's some fat suit. She's borrowed from Hollywood. It just doesn't look normal, does it? But, I mean, look, she just wants to be a Kardashian, doesn't she? She just wants to be famous in any way possible. She wasn't a particularly good actress. You know, she opened those boxes on Deal or No Deal.
Starting point is 01:12:23 She had bit parts. She is just desperate for people to know her, admire her, like her, think she's beautiful, think she's fun, think she's cool, thinks her marriage is the best marriage in the world. Her husband's the best husband in the world. I mean, he looks like a gimp. What on earth is that? I mean, you know, I just, these, they don't really bother me. I'm just not interested in them, Frank. I'm just not interested in them. They don't want to sit around making dance videos and I'm just, let them get on with it. See, they bother me because they still have these titles. They bother me because they're still in the line of succession, even though they're not able to prove that she
Starting point is 01:12:58 actually gave birth to those children. They bother me because they use the HRH titles. Honestly, Father Kelvin, for me now, I think the pressure is just going to continue to ramp up when it comes to Charles. Like I understand what he's going through. I understand that in the final years of his life he doesn't want to take on this battle, but what he's going to leave it to William to deal with these two. It's very similar. But how much damage might they do, Alex, in the interim? Do you see what I mean? I just feel like you are Kardashians. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Why not father Calvin just put the bill to parliament now? Just strip them. Just strip them of their titles. I'm done. I'm done. If there's one thing you can count a Labour government for, it's for admonishing the royalty in any way. And the Conservatives would find this very, very difficult to relinquish both Harry and Meghan of their titles. The Labour party, I don't think they would. I think they would push this through without a problem. So if King Charles or Prince William do want this to happen, now is the time to make it happen of this next four years while there's still a Labour government in power. Yeah, indeed.
Starting point is 01:14:08 I mean, I just feel like Alex, it can't go on when we know that she's using the HRH title, which actually, by the way, breaks the Sandringham Summit. So is there not an argument, Alex, to say, okay, we know that you've broken that summit now, that's Andrew's summit rule now. So that can be the moment when we say something has to change. You know what, leave that sick king of ours alone. He's got, you know, he does his best. He's that boy's father after all, and he's trying to keep the peace. And like I said,
Starting point is 01:14:40 at some point, William's going to come in and we all know where William stands on this. And you know that the general public aren't so stupid that they look at Harry and Meghan and think that that's a reflection of the royal family. You know, in every single country when people are polled, they love William, they love Kate, they love the idea of the royals and they think those two are just jokes, which they are.
Starting point is 01:14:58 It's gone beyond the, when they were making accusations about the royal family being racist and abusive, that was dangerous, that was dangerous. That was a problem. At that point, after that Oprah interview, I think the royal family should have said, no more, they shouldn't really be using HRH and stuff anyway, should they? But that was the point to me, that you're actively trying to harm the head of state of the United Kingdom, and of Canada, and Australia, and of New Zealand, and of Jamaica and of Antigua and you know many other countries in the world and the head of the Commonwealth you're actively trying to destroy that. And then this is just like oh they're just burks aren't they, let them get off that don't care.
Starting point is 01:15:37 No I do understand the point that you're making Alex although I think it would actually be the most popular political decision a government could make right now, actually saying, yep, we're gonna Don't let that whole thing do it. Leave him alone. He ain't got long left and he doesn't want to have a massive blow up. That is absolutely it. That's why that is complete. I mean, you are completely right that that is that is why. But then I also think they do such petty and pathetic things. And this was the latest. So it was just announced yesterday, leaked to Megan's favourite magazine, People in the US, Megan Michael to be honoured at LA's Natural History Museum Gala. The Duchess of Sussex will take the stage at the Natural History Museum's Night of Wonder Gala. This is on the 14th of June at Los Natural History Museums of Los Angeles and the garden themed event highlights
Starting point is 01:16:28 the Duchess of Sussex's work empowering women and underserved communities. Meghan and Prince Harry is stepping out more building connections in Los Angeles, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's one of those typical Hollywood events. But, and this is the big but it's the day of trooping the color and this is what the Daily Mail now refers to as Sussex distraction techniques which is every single time there is a major event in the royal calendar or there is something that King Charles is trying to draw attention to or Prince William is trying to draw attention to they will do their absolute best is trying to draw attention to, they will do their absolute best to distract from it, to take away the attention from it. And again, I just feel like that's so wrong because Father Calvin, you know that they will do something on that night to steal the attention from
Starting point is 01:17:19 Trooping the Colour. You just know it. And if they had any respect, they would do it on one of the multiple other Saturdays across the summer where the Royal Family are not doing anything. Indeed, but the problem is they don't realise how irrelevant they are. Trooping of the Colour is one of the greatest moments in the British calendar. I was very fortunate enough to have been invited once to the Queen's birthday actually, and we were in the palace for the Trooping of the Colour. It's probably the highlight of my life. It was a wonderful experience. The whole of the country is looking towards booking and palace on the tripping of color. Nobody cares that Megan's being honored by by who again for what exactly?
Starting point is 01:17:53 Well, actually, I've got I've got some juice on this because they friends like what the hell like what is she being honored for? Why how has this happened? And Rami Lard sauce who's doing some brilliant work on X, found out, for those wondering why Ms. Markle has been honoured, her long-time attorney, Rick Ginnau, is the co-chair of the gala, according to Taz posted. Oh, well, this makes sense.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Meghan's latest accolade has her long-term business lawyer on the board. It doesn't take a genius to work out why Meghan has been honoured again on the same day as Trooping the Colour, the King's official birthday. How utterly predictable. And I guess it was totally predictable, Alex Phillips, but at the same time, you know, you know where I'm at. Yeah, they try and hang off a news hook, don't they? They won't get in the press unless, you know, all the pictures that are going to be of Kate looking wonderful, the three young prince and princesses, you know, princes and princess there, all the lovely photos of going to be of Kate looking wonderful, the three young princes and princesses there, all the lovely photos of our royal family. They're like, oh, we've got to get
Starting point is 01:18:50 in there. We've got to, that's a great opportunity. We're also doing, who cares? I mean, you know, like he said, what is she being honoured for? What's she done? I don't know what she's done. She bought a cookbook with people from Grenfell Tower, it's the only thing I can think of. Otherwise, she just likes to walk around as a massive narcissist. And I just wish, you know, I wish the UK press just in the air, we can't be bothered printing stories about them anymore because they're just not that interesting.
Starting point is 01:19:13 I don't find them interesting, but clearly people out there do find them interesting, which is why they get coverage. People love to hate, you know? So, oh God, we have to look at that again, Dan. I can't take my eyes off it. What, it's gotta come out with that bulge? What is it? I think he's embarrassed. Do you notice she's loving the limelight? She's loving the camera
Starting point is 01:19:36 on her. He's really not. I think he's embarrassed by the whole thing. Yeah, he sort of goes along with this, but come on, Father Kelvin, like he's cucked. He's pathetic. Like he's not acting like a real man. I'm sorry. Do you think that word is very rude? You know what I'm saying? Emasculated, emasculated. Is that more appropriate? Yeah. He is acting very feminine. He is just going along with whatever she, but that's been the whole story from the beginning, isn't it? That he's gone along with her the entire way. This is part of the problem. If he had stood up to her as a man and said, no, this is my family, this is my country, how dare you?
Starting point is 01:20:10 Then maybe it would have been an entirely different story, but he doesn't have that in him, does he? Yeah, well, look, the great thing about this video, I mean, as I say, it's literally just been released while we're on air. So we are reacting live in real time with you. But from everything that I'm seeing on social media and from all of the messages that I'm receiving, it's actually folks saying,
Starting point is 01:20:30 oh, like, I didn't necessarily buy what you were saying before on this Dan, but like, that's not a real bump. So actually, I think maybe it's just completely backfired on these two. But anyway, Alex Phillips, Father Carlton Robinson, so brilliant to have you together today on the Superstar panel. Really, really appreciate it and have a wonderful week. We will speak next week. Lots of feedback coming in from you, of course, on the big story of the day, the mass deportation issue. And Helen O'Dee, who's been a member for six months, by the way. Thank you so much for being part of Outspoken, writes, I remember Rupert Lowe being absolutely savaged over
Starting point is 01:21:11 the mass deportation thing until they all figured out that's where the public are and have been. And in terms of, oh, this is interesting. We're going to talk about this more tomorrow, the Burka ban, Reform UK and Sarah Pochon asking the prime minister whether the Burka should be banned today. Mr. Arawar said, I think she didn't consult with Youssef and Farage before asking this question. On the whole issue of demographic change,
Starting point is 01:21:39 Andrew Law writes, there are areas in Blackburn, Rochdale, Oldham, Burnley that are 95% Asian, that's from the 2021 census. And on Tommy Robinson, Helen Shepard writes, I watched Silence and that told me all I need to know about the sort of person Tommy is, he is the biggest patriot in this country and I support him. Amazing feedback as ever. Thank you so much for being part of our live chat. And of course, I love getting your feedback in the comments section too.
Starting point is 01:22:12 Now time to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass. Your Union Jackass nominees, Lindsay Hoyle nominated by Mother Clanger, Long Hall Hoyle she says for taking three private jets while in the Caribbean at a cost of £5,500. Lord Herman, the attorney general nominated by Dottie Spot, refused to review unjuliennian sentences given to a rapist, a paedophile and a terrorist fundraiser despite signing off on the prosecution of Lucy Connolly. And Jess Phillips, nominated by Andrew Lightfoot for being too faced regarding the rape gangs. And, wow, this is interesting.
Starting point is 01:22:48 Lindsay Hoyle, in third place with 17% of the vote. Jess Phillips, the runner-up, but only with 23% of the vote, meaning today's runaway, Union Jackass. That terrible, terrible attorney general that the United Kingdom does not deserve, Keir Starmer's best friend, Lord Herma. And today's greatest Britishman, this is so funny, this is so funny. Did you see this earlier? Rachel Reeves, Rachel from Accounts giving a press conference and this man summed up the mood of the nation. So Mick Cass of the Dan Morton Outspoken Club on X made this nomination. He said the exasperated man behind Rachel Reeves, he didn't utter one word, but this workers body language spoke for the rest of
Starting point is 01:23:36 us Brits who are fed up of this Labour government's utter failure after failure. Okay, we've got loads to discuss don't we in the uncancelled after show on Substance to failure after failure.

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