Dan Wootton Outspoken - SHOCK THREAT TO NIGEL FARAGE FROM ILLEGAL ARRIVAL TO UK - HIS CLOSEST ADVISER SPEAKS OUT

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

A shocking threat to Nigel Farage from an illegal arrival, who claims to have entered the UK – and the authorities are, as usual, doing nothing. In his Digest, Dan reveals why Labour has accepted that the invasion of the UK via the Channel will continue for the entire term of Keir Starmer as Prime Minister. Then his special guest, Nigel Farage’s closest adviser for decades Gawain Towler, weighs in during the Uncancelled Interview. PLUS: The BBC forces bizarre apologies after covering up for Jimmy Savile and Huw Edwards AND: Royal Mastermind Angela Levin slams Meghan Markle for claiming she is most bullied woman in the world To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He is genuinely concerned for his safety. In my digest next, I reveal why Labour has accepted seemingly that the invasion of the UK via the channel will continue for the entire term of Keir Starmer as Prime Minister. Then my special guest, Nigel Farage's closest advisor for decades, Gawain Dowler, weighs in during the uncancelled interview. Also coming up today, the BBC forces bizarre apologies after covering up Jimmy Savile and Hugh Edwards like this from Strictly Come Dancing professional Katya Jones.

Shortly after our final couple has performed and you don't have too much longer to wait. Well done, Tess. Well done Tess. Well done, we're screaming at you. We should explain that is so far out of your comfort zone. Hi everybody. Hi everyone, it's Win and Cathy here. We just wanted to say we were just messing around in the auditorium on Saturday night and want to say sorry as a silly joke. Yeah, sorry. Okay, so let me get this straight. You're a paedophile at the BBC.

They're going to cover up for you. If you get touched up inappropriately on air, you are the one that has to issue a hostage video apology. Utterly nuts. And that's not all. There's much, much more madness involving Mrs Brown's boys and Greg Wallace too. Also on the way,

Royal mastermind Angela Levin slams Meghan Markle for claiming she is the most bullied woman in the world. Then in the uncancelled after show, much more actually from Angela Levin today, including whether Sarah Ferguson is attempting a comeback within the Royal family. You can register to watch on our own website www.outspoken.live. It is a safe space, just £5 a month for 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday. But now, let's go. Nigel Farage has been tracking the arrival to the UK of the illegal Afghan TikToker known only as Madapassa. He's the bloke with a Kalashnikov tattooed on his face who has wanted for crimes in Sweden and intended to arrive in the UK via France and Germany. On his face, a tattoo that looks like a Kalashnikov.

I would suggest to you that's a pretty aggressive symbol, not the kind of tattoo that most people get. Now you'll notice that the flag at the top of this social media clip that he's posted has France, where he is now, and there's a Union Jack. That tells you where he wants to get to so they're in a camp in northern France partying like crazy in very high spirits and basically this is going out on social media he's telling the world he's about to attempt an illegal crossing of the English channel and it's party time well breaking right now madapasa claims he is in the uk right now

this is a picture geo tagged that he posted on his tiktok account the home office though refused to confirm if that is the case but madapasa has made a direct and criminal threat about the Reform UK leader Farai. I come to England because I want to marry your sister. Don't talk about me more. The last video, that's not good my friend. You don't know me. I'm going to come to England. I'm going to... me i'm gonna come to england i'm gonna pop pop pop mother

possible you know there's mother posa every country know me when i am mother posa i'm tiktoker i'm not gang i'm not mafia i'm mafia. Now, having watched that disturbing video, Nigel posted on X, this illegal migrant has made a threat on my life and is now in the UK. He is the kind of person we are letting into our country. And this afternoon, Reform UK's Chief Whip, Lee Anderson, appeared on GB News to confirm Nigel is now seriously concerned about his safety as a result of this shocking threat. Clearly, Martin, one disturbed individual, this creature,

as I've seen in some of the TikTok videos he's been making, is, you know, basically, he's taking the mic, he's laughing at us. It wouldn't surprise me, actually, Martin, if he was in this country right now. I suppose we'll find out towards the end of the day where this bloke is, but it's very scary. I speak to Nigel nearly every day, as you're probably aware. He is genuinely concerned for his safety.

You've seen the security he has to have around him. What sort of country are we living in, Mark? And of course that is shocking, but there is a much bigger question at play here. Because our ludicrous decision to stay in the ECHR means that if Madapasa is here, no matter what crime he commits, the government is unable to deport him back to Afghanistan. This is what happens, Marty, when you've had successive weak governments who are not prepared to protect our borders and put the safety of British people first.

This creature, once he lands on our shores, he should be quickly arrested and deported the same day. And you know what? If he gets these lefty lawyers involved, if he claims human rights or anything like this, so what? Get rid of this creature. I do not want him in this country and neither does the vast majority of decent British citizens.

And yet, on Nigel's show last night, I had had a conversation, well, an argument, with a human rights lawyer who said, no, no, what we've got to do is get this guy to Britain and incarcerate him. He's out of concern. Why should taxpayers like you or I, or any of your constituents,

foot the prison bill for this bloke? He should be on the first flight out of it, Afghanistan, and take that lefty lawyer with him, mate. You know, this is part of the problem. They're making absolute fortunes, loads of money out of these people coming over here. Now, this story should be leading the MSM. But of course, unless migrants are dying in tragic accidents, they tend to ignore the invasion of the channel. We know Labour wants to pretend it's not going on altogether. I mean,

as Nigel puts it, instead they are quietly giving out six-year contracts worth £521 million for processing centres because Starmer has no intention of stopping the boats. But what is the MSM focused on? Well, James O'Brien. He continues to have meltdowns, including this morning, over Boris Brexit and, you guessed it, Nigel. He can't turn around and say, be like Profumo, squared. He can't turn around and accept the disgrace that he deserves any more than Nigel Farage can.

They soiled the national bed. And Wes Streeting says we all have to lie in it. First question, is that red-faced dude okay? Is there some sort of breakdown going on? Because maybe it's time for LBC to stage an intervention. But actually, the most hilarious MSN moment today, Sly news. You're not going to believe this.

They set out to investigate the so-called far right in the UK that sparked the so-called riots after the Southport massacre. But guess what? They discovered it was actually all whipped up by foreign agitators. More brilliant work by you and the team this time, looking online about who was responsible for stirring up hatred with the riots. Yeah, exactly. We want to take a deep dive and look at especially Telegram,

the messaging app where a lot of these riots were sort of talked about and organised. I think what we were really surprised by is how many of these were not from the UK. So it looks like more than 10,000 groups went through all these messages. And it turns out the majority of these were not coming from the UK. They were abroad, effectively what you might call foreign interference. So no wonder, in the midst of this madness, ReformUK's poll ratings continue to climb by the day. Now it's time for the uncancelled interview. And I'm delighted today to be joined by Gawain Tala. He is a legend in Brexit circles, having worked for UKIP, the Brexit Party, and most recently Reform UK. Indeed,

up until just a few weeks ago, Gawain was the closest advisor to Nigel Farage. So Gawain, it's great to have you on Outspoken for the first time today. And we've got so much to talk about, I guess, in terms of the broader strategy for Reform UK and Nigel. But can I ask you first about this shocking, breaking news, this threat from the illegal Madda Passer, which the authorities don't seem to be taking all that seriously. They won't even say whether this guy is in the UK. But do you agree with Lee Anderson that Nigel's safety is at risk here? Clearly, it's at risk. Clearly. I mean, how could it not be?

You've got some chap who looks delightful is the sort of person you normally see popping up in a sort of mexican videos of coffee people who who are now being rescued from prison to make coffee and all the rest of it tattoos all over and that sort of uh threatening view but of course it's concerning. Anybody, anybody, whoever they are, who has a direct threat like that is going to be concerned. But I don't think I honestly, I don't think their home office are withholding information. I don't know. They've got the first idea. Yeah, I don't think they've got the first idea. But that's the issue, right? That's the issue. They've got no idea if he's here. Some of the people, We get these numbers of people arriving by boat.

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details. But I do not believe that every boat that lands on our shores is registered and recognized. Absolutely not. So I have no idea if the fellow's in the country. He claims to be in the country. But it is I think it's notable that his videos of himself in Sweden or France, I think, have him. The video is supposedly in Bournemouth, I believe, don't have him. If I was him and i was videoing and he seems to be um i don't think the most self-aware man in the world um i would have thought he'd been showing off his tick-tock prowess the fact that i destiny said everybody knows who he is well yes madapasa everybody knows who you is and i hope to goodness every law enforcement agency across europe knows exactly who you are mate um and uh maybe he can have some touch-up makeup

to cover up the AK-47 attached to his face. But that's pretty... I mean, even a kebab shop owner is going to recognise it and probably dob him into the police. I really well hope so. But no, of course you're going to be concerned. And it's not that Nigel hasn't had death threat before. It's not that Nigel doesn't have continual threat. his threat level is high. What are we commemorating these last day or two? The death of David Amos. Three years today. Three years today since he was shot. This is not... It is a horrific echo of what happened to Sir David. And of course, you're going to be concerned. But Nigel's been under death threats for years. This does not stop him doing what he believes is right, does not stop him speaking out in the way he feels is correct. And it does not stop him leading from

the front. It does not stop him highlighting these people. Now, whether we need Nigel Farage to highlight every single illegal migrant that turns up in this country, it seems to be the most effective way in getting the authorities to notice them. But that's an awfully big job for one man to do. So obviously he can't. But at the same time, it was Farage a few years ago who first brought the issue of these boats to the public domain. It was his work, his efforts to get down there to the coast,

to go into the channel, to film them coming across. In one case, to actually rescue people from the drink himself. This is... Somebody has to do it. Somebody has to do it. And he has the gumption and he has the resolve in a way that very few modern politicians do. But that does come with its threats. Gwaine, you've obviously been by Nigel's side for a long time.

Have you seen the threat level change as the world has changed i mean for example this is this is this is different this is different normally the threat comes from our own homegrown loons um the antifa types uh the radical greens and things of this sort. And frankly, that most of them in this country are not particularly scary. But in recent months, yes, that threat has got more serious. And I think it's coming from different groups of people. I mean, yes, it's no fun having a milkshake chucked at you. You never know what's in it.

A bit of cement chucked at you during the campaign. I wouldn't be at all surprised that someday I walk out of where I live and work and I get a face full of orange paint. Yeah, that's no fun. But these guys are of a different measure. We have many people across the border who have committed serious crimes. Do you remember the poor kid in Bournemouth who was murdered? Yes, Thomas Roberts.

And the fellow who murdered him was already being charged and convicted in the Balkans for murdering a couple of people with, guess what, a Kalashnikov. These people are amongst us and their ways are different from our ways. And so whilst one can face down, and there was a horrible business a good few years ago now where Nigel was having a Sunday lunch with his family and he was chased out the pub by some loony tunes. Yes, that was scary, but that was very different to what's going on now indeed indeed now look let's talk about the political situation gwen because something's happening right there's a tsunami coming and it

feels like the silenced majority are ready to burst are ready to do something different and actually desperate for change. So I want to hear what you think is possible. But the obvious question is, could Nigel Farage end up being prime minister of the UK by 2029? It's not impossible. I wouldn't say with our political system and our political construction and our constitution that it's likely. But it's not impossible. All sorts of things have to happen for that to happen.

But I think that the idea of being, even under these circumstances, being in government, if not necessary, the government, is entirely, in fact, getting to the point of being likely um people might say that the labor government is uh is is having a few uh trips and starts but i can live when i look across the front bench of the labour party i can't see i cannot see any improvements i cannot see talent bubbling up on the back benches. Oh, let's replace this useless minister with, oh my goodness, another useless one. They're not even extinct volcanoes

in Disraeli's famous phrase. They were never volcanoes in the first place. And that is the case. Now, with the Tory leadership, thank you very much for those pictures. That's very kind of you. And not one of them, by the way, has ever, has ever run a business.

Not one. No. I suppose you could say that Starmer ran a department. That's something in the sense of the CPA. Yeah, without money, though. Well, yeah, but at the same time, he has had hopefully some admin skills, but it doesn't seem to be showing just now.

But the Tories, I think, I don't think whoever wins the Tory leadership is going to lead the Tories into the next general election. And they, too, are swimming with talent. Yes, I mean, dare I say that sort of comment is very easy to say, very, very hard to do. I think that I don't think it's believable i don't think the idea that he can kick a million where's where's he going to send them it's all very well saying this mad a passer chap should be sent back to afghanistan what the talib are going to take him really where are we going to send him it is we should not be allowing a single person across the channel we should be able to we should be able to be tracking them and stopping them.

We should be able to be droning the channel and spotting these people with early warnings and all the rest of it. Frankly, one of the great things about this country, and it's good fortune and luck on our part, is the English Channel. We don't have land borders for people across except the Irish one.

And it shouldn't be beyond the wits of ourselves to be able to stop anybody coming in. Anybody who travels here in a legal fashion should never be given right to stay. It doesn't matter what if they come illegally, then they do not stay. And we send them back to France I'm sorry to say um but not a single person should be able to touch foot on our ground on our beaches on our territory and stay if they have come illegally if they come through the legal routes then we go through this Island process and et cetera et cetera et cetera now you have arguments about the ECHR. Yes, of course. As long as we retain our own good sense and our own sense of liberties, which we have had for hundreds of years, by the way, we don't need some Jim Crack European construction to give us defensible rights. mile. But the fact is, is that we should make it absolutely clear that not a single person

who comes in through the seaborne route illegally ever stays ever again. And if you want to stop the boats, making that absolutely clear and acting upon it, will stop the boats in a very short period of time because who's going to bother spending six grand getting in a dangerous boat when they know absolutely that if they're picked up they will be taken back every single time so there's tragic deaths will stop yep and it's how tony abbott stopped the boats in Australia as well. But look, I just want to dig a little deeper into those comments you made in regards to Robert Jenrick's claim that he would deport a million people. You know, mass deportations he believes in. Now, Nigel has been criticized in recent weeks for saying that that is unrealistic. And a lot of the Reform UK base, very disappointed about that because they feel that mass deportation is necessary.

I think a lot of the Reform base would be delighted, delighted if we were to instantly repatriate a million illegal migrants from this country. But to make a promise like that without having the practical ability to do so, without having somewhere to send them, without knowing where they are, because most of these people, we haven't the first idea where they are, I think is almost irresponsible politics. Yes, that should be an ambition. But this idea that just no problem. No, it's a huge problem. There are massive practical difficulties and to just sort of wave it as a promise I think is irresponsible.

Deeply irresponsible. An ambition? Yes. A promise? No. Nigel is talking much more about Jenrick though than Kemi Badenoch, who I'll come on to in one second. Do you think he feels more threatened by Jenrick? Because it's very clear

that Jenrick is trying to outflank Nigel on the right. I mean, he's been open about the fact he wants to retire Nigel. Yes, well, good luck with that, Jenrick. Many people try to retire Nigel. It's never quite happened yet, has it? And the idea that somebody who suddenly, poof, had this great idea

that he didn't think immigration was such a good idea two years ago, whereas Farage has fought this fight and stopped and stood on this stood on this beach head for an awfully long time I'm sorry that a slightly uh opaque character with uh with wavy arms and uh and a rapidly slimming belly is not going to threaten Farage on this territory. But I suppose one of the good things is it brings the overturn window across to where we stand. But in the end, are you going to vote for somebody who you don't know actually means it? Yes, he wrote an interesting paper with Neil O'Brien. That's true. But I suspect Neil did most of the work. I just guessed that. But I don't think people think that Jenrick is authentic. I think he has seen where the centre of public opinion lies and is chasing that. I don't think it actually

is genuine. I just don't. And I don't think other people will too. I also feel that the Tory party, at least the parliamentary Tory party, are deeply uncomfortable with both characters in the final two. But they are where they are. But I think that there will be a great deal of difficulty for either of them to unite. They always talk about uniting the right.

Good luck with that, chaps. Well, at the end of the day, though, there's huge numbers within the Conservative Party, though, in terms of MPs who actually are not even on the right. And that is the issue. I've always said that from the reformist perspective, I'd take about 2% to three percent of their peers, five to 10 percent of their MPs, about 20 percent of their councillors and about 80 percent of their membership. That is the pyramid that interests me.

I don't own about 90 percent of their voters. And I think that that is the pyramid. But the rest of them can go hang. I really am not interested in them Okay, Kemi Badenoch has overnight received the endorsement of Turning Point UK, now this surprised a lot of people including Maya Toosey

who posted, Kemi is against mass deportation, she won't commit to leaving ECHR, she bragged about campaigning for more migration as MP and finally she insulted Reform UK voters implying they didn't know what they voted for, but I'll just show you bragged about campaigning for more migration as MP, and finally she insulted Reform UK voters, implying they didn't know what they voted for. But I'll just show you the video that Turning Point UK has released to endorse Kim and I'll get you to react off the bat.

We don't think that a culture that thinks gay people should be stoned is as valid as ours. We do not want to see teachers teaching their white pupils about white privilege and inherited racial guilt. People should not be made to feel guilty for questioning levels of immigration, legal or illegal, if it is changing the place they know and love. If people don't want their taxes to pay for foreign criminals to be in our jails or on our streets, those criminals should be removed. So is Kemi all talk, Gwaine? No, but I think she's brittle. I mean, yes, it's a little bit like the Bible or something

of this sort. Whatever you want to believe, you can find a few verses in it that support you. Like many, many things. I mean, she is the stop clock thing. Yes, she's right on a subject. She fights the culture war very effectively. And of course course being who she is uh it causes a certain amount of kittens on the other side of the argument because they can't point at her and go oh no no she's a black woman we can't say that um so it does provide discomfort but she's also been on the record for supporting far greater uh legal immigration for far greater things this sort um and i i think that she has more ideology than generic but i also think that she is somebody who will enormously i mean i think generic is is dicey but the tory uh parliamentary party are no great fans of camera yes they've on

the other week they voted for her but i think think that was a screw-up with the numbers by Grant Shapps or anything else. But I suspect they have been used to her, or at least we believe her, to have briefed heavily against individuals. And her as a leader, I cannot see there be any trust at all. But I find it entertaining

that Turning Point have supported her because, yes, as I say, you can pick and choose a few choice phrases. And she's a good dispatch box performer on housing the other week. She was excellent and ripped Labour a new one when it comes to that. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But I think there are plenty of question marks over about how she approaches personal relations. And I think there are equally question marks over um about how she approaches personal relations uh and I think there are equally question marks about how she approaches significant parts of what might have say our traditional right of center viewpoints so yes I know for example she's been very personally rude to Nigel in the past which which is an interesting thing. By contrast... Politics, yeah. Let's not worry about people being

personally rude in politics. It's a little bit like the famous Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch, where they all scream at each other and one curls over dead. Oh, we're greatly missed. Politics is, to a certain extent, performance, and we have to accept it as such.

Ruderies across the dispatch box and drinks in a stranger's bar. I don't think we should get too worked up about that. I just don't think that's... Okay. That's sort of... By contrast, though,

Jenrick has said that he'll make Jacob Rees-Mogg chairman of the Conservative Party. Now, the reason that that's significant is Rees-Mogg has been on the record saying he wants a deal with Reform UK. I mean, in his ideal world, he wants Farage and Richard Tice and Lee Anderson in the Conservative Party. I presume you're going to say that there's no chance of any sort of merge or of Nigel joining the Conservative Party. But don't you think to win the next election,

there at least has to be a deal, some sort of electoral pact between the Conservatives and Reform UK? No, I don't. I really don't. I think that right now, we see the Labour's poll rating drop quite rapidly. Most of that is going to reform. And I think that we are a long, long way away

from Labour being anything other than the party of government. We've got another four and a half years at least. And so I think talk like that is irrelevant. You know, the first time I met Jacob was... Oh, golly. First time I met Jacob was, oh, golly. First time I met Jacob was about 15 years ago, 12 years ago. And he was saying exactly the same thing then. Oh, oh, but UKIP should just join us.

We should reunite the right and all the rest of it. Just there, there, there. Keep quiet and let us professionals take to it. He would take, of course, he'd take Nigel. Nigel's the most charismatic politician in the House, the most experienced politician in the House, of course he'd take Nigel. Nigel's the most charismatic politician in the House, the most experienced politician in the House. Of course he'd want him. But why would Nigel want the broken, dissatisfied, dysfunctional Tory party attached to him? Why? Why would you tie your speedboat to that sinking tug? It may be bigger. It may have more displacement. It may have more crew right now,

but it's sinking. Why would he touch it? So, Gwaine, what really happened before the election? Because I know you were there. I know that you were very involved in all of the conversations because people like me were despondent when Nigel said he wasn't going to run.

So what happened and what changed? Because I'm told you were very significant in terms of getting him to change his mind. I wouldn't give myself that sort of credit whatsoever. No, I was there. I wouldn't say I was significant. No, I went with him after he made that announcement saying he was not going to stand. And the infamous comments about spending time in Claxton on Friday evening and the fact that he was living a much more comfortable life.

He was having fun on the TV. He was allowed to travel anywhere in the world. He was allowed to earn money. He was allowed to enjoy himself without people like Matt Apasa making death threats to him. It was a much more comfortable, much easier life. And he felt, looking at the timescale, that it would be very, very hard indeed to make the breakthrough that he wanted to make, to get through it. But in the week after he made

that announcement, he was out campaigning. He was out campaigning uh supporting richard tice in skegness supporting leanderson in nashville and i watched the conversations where people were coming up to him saying thank you nigel for campaigning thank you nigel for being here but i followed you for 20 years why are you letting us down and that sense of duty that sense of honor is what carried him through yeah well i understand because i felt let down i saw his face i saw his face i didn't really discuss it with him i wouldn't pretend i did but i saw this i can only describe it as a sense of duty and to a certain extent it was a sense of frustrated duty yes i'm going to have

to do this despite all the downsides despite everything all that nothing changed with how he was thinking a week before no change was made in in the difficulty of it in the change to his life into the reduction in income and the reduction of liberty and freedom for himself and his family. No change there at all. What changed was him being face-to-face with ordinary people, coming up to him and saying, don't let us down. Please don't let us down.

We need you. And that is what made the difference. He's an ambitious man, though, isn't he? And he wouldn't be doing this, Gwaine, and you and I both know this if he didn't think that he did have a chance of entering number 10. i think his ambition has always been it's been a mix of course he's a politician he has personal ambition of course he does but if you think of his 20 years in european politics and fighting it, that ambition meant that he had his mortgage, he's thrice mortgaged his house and was driving a broken down Volvo estate whose rusted holes were covered and keep the pound stickers.

It wasn't a very lucrative thing. If ambition was about personal wealth and influence and friends with Trump and all the rest of it, he could do that just as well by not being an MP. So his ambition, he's always said, and there is truth in it, there are two sorts of people in politics, those who want to do and those who want to be. He's never really wanted to be. And his being is more about what he can do than what he can do for himself. And that has always been the case. If he wanted to do stuff for himself, he wouldn't have stood as an MP this time. He wouldn't have stood for Parliament. He'd be much richer, much safer, much happier. But that sense of duty won through. And here we are.

Is he bruised by how hated he is by the establishment? 20 years ago, when he first discussed employing me, it was a case of, you know, if we get away with this, we'll never be forgiven. Yeah. We've always known it. Yes, but the bruises, the scars have got scars, and those scars have got scars on top of them.

We know. But we also know that what we're doing and what we have been fighting for and what we are trying to achieve for this country is something that whilst our own personal in my case my own family might be annoyed with me for for being a domestic disaster I hope my great-grandchildren will say well it was worth doing yes indeed what about Nigel the man because you've spent more time with him Gw, than virtually any other person on the planet. I had the privilege of working with Nigel for a short period of time, about three years at GB News.

He's actually a very loyal guy, isn't he? What do you think the public don't know about the real Nigel? I would say not a great deal. He is a bit WYSIWYG. What you see is what you get. The bloke in the pub, the bloke at home, the bloke on TV, the bloke in these film studios, and so on and so forth. There's very little difference between one and another. I think privately he's possibly more thoughtful than you might assume. He certainly wears his learning lightly. He reads, he does understand. He has a huge historical hinterland of interest that has gone on. Before he got into politics, he was taking tours with Richard Holmes into the trenches of Flanders and Northern France.

He took tours to that. He has deep, deep knowledge of a wide range of things. And that is often worn very lightly in his public persona. But I would say beyond a level of thoughtfulness that you might not know, and you mentioned his loyalty, the fact that I'm still around and still I saw him today, despite the fact I was fired only two weeks ago or three weeks ago, that level of loyalty, it goes both ways. And he feels that way towards the people he's worked with over the years. He feels that way for the people who supported him. But it does go both ways.

I don't think somebody can demand loyalty without giving it back. And he certainly does. And so are you disappointed not to still be with him at Reform UK? I wouldn't be talking to you if I was still at Reform. No, of course you're delighted you're unleashed. No, the point is, I've spent an awful lot of time there. I think that some of the processes that the party is trying to put together in order to be in a position to win that election that you're talking about in order position to win the elections in wales and or do well in the elections in wales and scotland coming up and the councils and to build that that bandwagon build that momentum to go into the next general election um there are there are ways and

means and uh if we have a if we have a chairman and a party that wishes to prosecute us in a different way, then so be it. I don't have a big issue with this. It seems to me that's absolutely fair. I'm definitely on side, but I'm just not inside these days. And that's I'm comfortable with. I retain my friendships. I retain my loyalties. And as you can probably gather, I'm not somebody who has a great deal of problems with this. I see myself, and I asked Nigel after I was fired, I asked him if he could give me a letter of mark. I see myself as a privateer, a pirate on the behalf of this country.

Yes, go and sink ships, but don't sink ours, I think was the general approach. And that's exactly the way I plan to go. Nigel remains someone who isn't necessarily personally particularly engaged with social media a sensation on social media which is a really interesting thing so this is his latest uh which i think is one of the best attempts at summing up the madness of labor blocking elon musk from attending this investment summit this week. Huge investment summit going on with the Labour government and businesses from all over the world. But they're all big corporates.

They don't really invite entrepreneurs. And the one man they haven't invited is the world's most amazing guy, Elon Musk. Whether it's buying this platform, whether it's, I mean, the incredible space missions that he's going on, whether it's his cars, whatever it is. If there's anybody who is the world's greatest entrepreneur who should have been invited to this summit, it's Elon Musk. But Labour don't like him. Do you know why? Because he believes in free speech.

Well, we can't have that now, can we? He's a social media sensation, Gwaine. Maybe the most unlikely TikTok sensation. I'm trying to think when he first got a little insight into the working methods, not that long ago. He was the first British politician to understand the power of YouTube and things of this sort. But say I was in Brussels and he was down in Strasbourg and I'd write a press release. I would email that press release from Brussels to Strasbourg

where his office there would print it out and he would scribble edits I'd write a press release. I would email that press release from Brussels to Strasbourg, where his office there would print it out and he would scribble edits and fax it to me. And then I would do the edits and send it out as a press release. This is not somebody who, but I don't think he's ever turned a computer on in his life, but he understands how it works. I drive a car. I'm not a mechanic. I don't need to know how the engine works in order to get from A to B. And you don't need to know the nitty gritty of how do you post a TikTok or how do you, whatever it is, to understand how it works and how to engage with it and how to engage with the public. This is a mistake. You don't have to um this is a mistake you don't have to you don't as i say you don't have been engineered to drive a car no indeed a fascinating insight into nigel

forage stand by gwen though because what the hell is going on at the bbc the broadcaster that spent decades covering up for jimmy saville hugh edwards Hugh Edwards and Martin Bashir all of a sudden claims to have some morals. But now they're forcing all of their so-called stars to apologise for what seems to me making jokes. So today, reported in the Daily Telegraph, the BBC suspended work on Mrs Brown's Boys, its massive comedy, after its star Brendan O'Carroll made a racist joke on set. Working on the sitcom's Christmas special was paused following complaints by cast and crew members after the comedian is understood to have used an offensive term during a read-through. Now he issued a hostage video apology telling the Daily Mirror which first

broke the story. At a read-through of the Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special, there was a clumsy attempt at a joke where a racial term was implied. It backfired and caused fence, which I deeply regret, and for now which I have apologised. Then we move on to the bizarre case of Strictly Come Dancing, which has been mired in all sorts of scandal over the past few weeks. And over the weekend, the Welsh opera singer Wynne Evans and Katya Jones were made to give a hostage video apology by BBC bosses after these on-screen events. What?

Shortly after our final couple has performed and you don't have too much longer to wait. Well done, Tess. Well done. We're screaming at you. We should explain that is so far out of your comfort zone. Hi, everybody. Hi, everyone.

It's Winnie and Cathy here. We just wanted to say we were just messing around in the auditorium on Saturday night and want to say sorry. It was a silly joke. Yeah. Sorry. And then the BBC insisted that Katya, the woman there, that she really was right to apologise after being touched up on live TV. I need to make something crystal clear. The hand incident that happened on Saturday night was an inside, a very silly, very silly inside joke between Wynne and I. So even the idea that it made me feel uncomfortable or offended me in any way is complete nonsense. It's quite absurd, actually.

And now Greg Wallace is apologizing for a joke that he made six years ago. Here's the report from The Sun. Greg Wallace's future on MasterChef was under fire last night. Ago. Here's the report from The Sun. of being rude and insulting to women on a different show in 2023. Last week, the BBC pledged to clean up bad behaviour, but an insider questioned why Wallace was allowed to stay on the flagship cookery show despite allegations about his conduct. The BBC will now face fresh questions as to why the 59-year-old was kept on despite its vow to clean up its workplace culture after a string of scandals. Insiders told The Sun concerns were raised about his behavior six years ago when he was accused of making inappropriate sexual comments to a female

staffer on BBC game show Impossible Celebrities. He was hauled into a meeting after claims he boasted about his sex life and took off his top in front of the woman, mortifying members of the production team. Wallace was then hit by allegations last year that he spoke to women in a derogatory manner while filming BBC's Inside the F***ing Room. Six years ago he made a joke and took his top off. Wallace has actually refused to back down though, insisting he never said anything sexual out of respect for his wife of 12 years. But seriously, what is insane about this to me is that the BBC, an organisation that covered up for paedophiles like Jimmy Savile, and they're not so distant past. Hugh Edwards, very, very recently, is now so captured by offence, culture and wokery that we have these constant apologies, which are actually meaningless, aren't they?

I will admit that I don't watch any of these shows i didn't me either mrs brown's boys i never watched it i'm fascinated by that one because he there's an implied he didn't actually say something that was bad he implied something i don't understand um i think the thin skidness of all this has has baffles me um you've got a couple of and it's the classic hurty words hurty acts hurty acts are covered up hurty words we can deal with and in the case of the strictly uh stuff as far as again not a program i've ever stuff, as far as I know, again, not a programme I've ever watched. But as far as I understand, Wynne Jones, or Davis, sorry, his most famous persona is a slightly buffoonish character. And to me, it was those two doing a buffoonish thing. You notice the next second she's holding his hand without any discomfort at all.

And there's this ha-ha stuff in the background. To me, it's clearly, okay, from a casual observer, you go, whoop, and point the finger and go, look at that. But if she says she's happy, that surely should be the end of it. End, period. I'm not 100 sure i think the first one was a hostage video i think the second one is for goodness sake take my word for it just

a lot of you go away i'm a mate um and we were joking about just take my word for it so i think that one could be squared away and it plays to his persona and all the rest of it as that slightly buffooning go compare man um greg wallace i guess again these are hurty words are serious hurty acts can be covered up and i think that's that is a problem across um i you've suffered it yourself to a certain extent and other people have um and there has been a there is a culture of easy stuff can be jumped on hard stuff we pretend doesn't happen yeah and there's a culture of which it's the same it's the same as policing the tweets and not the streets real crime's tough so let's go chasing chasing somebody who said something slightly off colour at 2 o'clock on a Saturday morning. It seems to me that the focus of society,

driven by the media, sadly, is the facile and the thinned crust at the top of things rather than actually digging into some of the nasty stuff that happens beneath. It's hard. Because the problem is that if you were working at the BBC now, you would feel that you couldn't make a joke. I mean, that is literally where we're at. But the BBC has actually been responsible for some terrible things. I mean, Gwen, they were obviously for years and years and years so anti-Brexit and were so desperate to do down anyone who voted to leave as some sort of racist. And of course, they had lots of egg on their face, which they admitted after the vote.

But you obviously had to deal with them a lot and Nigel would still appear on the BBC a lot. So what's your personal view of the BBC? I think it's a mistake to... I do think it's a mistake to say the BBC. The BBC is a greater empire than the British Empire ever was. There are so many different aspects of it, so many different programmes, so many different channels. So I think to say the BBC is a mistake. I think there are certain programmes where that was true and other programmes where it's not.

Sadly, local radio is being put to the sword at present, but local radio is always a lot fairer uh than national certain aspects of national uh national news um i think right now they've got uh an excellent political editor i've known very well and i've no idea how he votes but i've been drunk with him on numerous occasions um so i think the it is i think it's wrong to say um that the bbc is biased or a bb like that. But I do think light entertainment and comedy are very much that way inclined and be that dramatic comedy sitcoms and all the rest of it, or the sort of, aren't we terribly clever? We got a starred third at Cambridge and we spent our time in the footlights and went to Edinburgh and now got a slot on the BBC

comedy shows. That lot, gosh, they think it's funny. Nigel Farage, he's just like some nasty German. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, aren't we witty? It's boring. It's dull. It's predictable. And it's no

longer any fun. Well, Joe Brand joked about throwing battery acid over nigel farage yeah and she wasn't uh you know she wasn't sanctioned at all i i actually had to uh fix my waistcoat because i was laughing so hard when she said that i me and thousands of other people around the country uh peels of last appeals now it's just tedious um should it be censored no because they show themselves for what they are and frankly if they're laughing if they're if they're singing to their in ever decreasing circles of audience let them do so i wish they weren't paid by the uh by the license fee payer to do so but i wouldn't stop

them i mean they're quite they are not funny they are laughable yeah but that is my issue with it that we are paying for it we are paying for that other than that but i mean if they want to do it i mean crack on i i it's it really is when you've Chappie with a tattoo on his face, making serious threats, that's serious. Some has-been-past-it comic on a late-night programme. Frankly, meh. Don't care. Well, Gwyn Twala, it's brilliant to have you back in the game, back in the independent media space, because I hope and think that is where the revolution is going to come from over the next few years.

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for her bullying, which has never been released to the public. This is the same Meghan Markle who has just recently been accused by The Hollywood Reporter of bullying staff. They've spoken to 12 former staff members who describe her as a dictator in high heels. I mean, surely, Angela, this is a new low. It's very low and it's very unpleasant, actually, because she was talking to a group of young girls from the age of four to 13. Now, can you imagine telling them something like that? First of all, they would be terrified. They would be scared. They wouldn't know what on earth to say to her. They wouldn't be able to sort of swallow it. It was just the most extraordinary thing. That is not the way to get people to like you she's an adult and she should know that in any case she was there it was um a digital wellness program which um

archwell foundation was paying for and so she was there you know in a right to help these children um instead of it she must have sort of scared the living daylights out of them. And then she goes on and adds that it was really worse when she was pregnant with either of her children. What are they expected to say? They're not doctors, they're not psychologists, they're little people. And they must have been very very scared i mean you can have nightmares over that when somebody tells you these things they're just enormous um so i think the only thing about it was some sort of manipulating of people who she doesn't know um and perhaps she feels that that's the way they can talk to her and she they will her. This is telling the poor girl who's being

treated so badly role, isn't it? And she should know that that's not what you do with small children. You wonder then, actually, frankly, what she does with her own children must be a very strange way of bringing them up and a very strange way of helping children in that age anyway. I mean, if she wanted to talk like that, she could actually say someone who was, you know, in their 20s or 30s, and then they could discuss these things if they wanted to. Little children, absolutely awful. Indeed. And of course, once this backfired on Meghan professionally, as ever, the lies start coming, Angela,

because this story was actually revealed by Larissa May, who is the founder of Hashtag Half the Story. And she told Vanity Fair, and remember Vanity Fair is a magazine that is completely slavishly loyal to Harry and Meghan. And she said, we did an activity where we talked through a bunch of scenarios and Meghan talked about being one of the most bullied people in the world. So it was very clear. There's no ambiguity there. That's what Larissa May said.

She's an ally of Meghan Markle. But of course, immediately, Meghan's allies try and tell the New York Post, oh, no, no, no, she's got it wrong. She didn't say this. Just stand by your words and stop throwing your allies under the bus. Yes, it's very wrong of these magazines to actually follow somebody who is being appalling and actually is saying lies. Who's a proven liar. The thing is that she should surely know the difference between being disliked and being bullied.

I think she's very disliked. I don't know if she's ever been bullied, actually. It's a very different thing. She might have been bullied, but I think that what's the trouble with her is a lot of people don't like her because they don't like her lies. They don't like how she's been talking about the royal family when she was given so much. And it's very strange that she can't actually see the huge difference between those two things. Oh, it's awful. It's absolutely awful. And the thing is, Angela, we all liked Meghan when she first entered the royal family, or even if we didn't like her, we were prepared to give her a

chance. And actually- I liked her. I liked her. I was very, very pleased for Harry's sake that he had found someone he loved, someone who could cope with being in the spotlight. And I thought that, you know, she was very beautiful and that at last he'll be happy with her and have children and do all the things he wanted. So I was on the right side of all this, but I soon realized that it's a very, very different person from

what you think of initially. And I think that's much more visual now than it was when she was very, very keen to actually get the marriage done. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. And the thing is, though, it's almost like gaslighting the world, isn't it? When she tries to say she was the most bullied person in the world, because hear me out on this, Angela. No one was disliking her or bullying her until we all learned about what she was doing to the staff members at Buckingham Palace, what she was doing to Prince Harry in terms of dominating him and controlling him and taking away his confidence, what she was doing in terms of being awful

to Catherine, the Princess of Wales, what she was doing in terms of talking to the staff members incredibly rudely, even a gardener at Windsor Castle so badly that the late Queen felt she had to get involved, that the late Queen had to call Prince Harry and say, your wife can't keep treating people like this. I mean, there was story after story after story. And actually, Angela, a couple of times people may have thought, okay, we'll give her the benefit of the doubt because she's from Hollywood. She

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fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over deliver. Yes, but the thing is for me as well, when she was interviewed by Oprah Winfrey, you know, it was the thing I saw overnight because I was supposed to talk about it immediately it finished. And I thought it would be a bit boring, really, to be honest with you. But I was astonished by the things she was saying. The lies coming out one after the other and you can't believe them. And you think, how dare she say this about the royal family? How dare she say this about her wedding and get the Archbishop into terrible trouble?

I mean, it was just astonishing. It was one thing after the other. And then you think there's something very, very wrong here. I mean, why is she doing this? She's got everything she wants, especially Harry. And to behave in that sort of negative way, demanding way, spiteful way, is something you don't forget. That's how you see somebody.

No, indeed. But it's just such gaslighting behavior, isn't it, to say, oh, no, I'm not the bully. I'm not the bully, despite the fact that actually there are about 40 people who have accused you of bullying over the course of the career but no no no i'm not the bully but i'm bullied i'm the most bullied woman in the world i mean it's just quite an extraordinary uh tack to take but frankly that's not something to be proud of is it i mean you need to keep quiet about that because you must think there's something very wrong with you that that's what people feel like. I mean, apart from getting it wrong about bullying and not being liked.

I mean, how could you say that? Resent yourself. Well, I'm being the most bullied woman in the world. Is that something you want to achieve? I mean, of course, it's nonsense to feel like that. And how does she even know, Angela? Because this is the other thing, thing you know her inconsistencies are so significant because how does she even know given that she's the one who always claims

and i know this to be a lie but she says it angela oh i don't look at social media i don't read any of the reports in the press about me because i don't want to see any of this stuff. So how do you know you're bullied, Megan? Where is this coming from? I mean, her inconsistencies are all over the place. Yes. I mean, that is ridiculous, isn't it? Because she's made it very clear any meeting with women that she's had, any meeting with anybody she's had, she makes it clear

that she doesn't get involved with that. It's too low for her. She doesn't want to be involved in that sort of thing. Then how does she find out? I mean, how does she find out in the world? We're not talking about, you know, just London. It's just a world. And this goes through her that she's always talking about global, global, global, global.

I mean, she can't know that much about it. She couldn't get that in a day of looking at everything everybody's saying around the world is about you. But this is the problem. It's me, me, me again, isn't it? Even if it's nasty, even if you hate hearing it, I think she just leaves it and moves on to the next thing. But how can you say that about people? It just makes absolutely no sense. So no sense whatsoever. And Angela, you think the timing of this bizarre intervention from Meghan may have been deliberate against Catherine?

Well, I mean, the number of times that she comes out with something when either William or Catherine or King Charles, anybody is doing something. Out she comes half an hour before or just afterwards and shows what she wants to say. She's done that with so many times and people are very used to it now and they recognize it and they think it's absolutely spiteful, unkind, not necessary. You know, there's plenty of time, but she actually wants to

spoil it and take the spotlight away. And that's what happened this time with Catherine, who's just come out of being all her cancer issues and she suddenly decided without not much time that she would go to with William to Southport and he was going there already and she wanted to speak to the three set of parents who lost their children. They were knifed by an 18-year-old and they were killed and 10 were wounded. And she did say before she was out on this case, she said that as soon as she feels well, she wants to help people,. It's very, very important to her. And because the children were six, seven, and nine, very similar to her and William's children,

so you can feel that very strongly, how awful the parents must feel. And she went around there, and if you watched her, how she was talking to them, you could actually tell that it was all about asking them. It was all about finding out how they felt, what was most difficult for them. I mean, everything was difficult, but she was asking in a very nice way. It wasn't, this is a giving thing that she's done.

It's not someone who's taking away because they want to be astonishing to people. And afterwards, when they left, she decided to rush back, which she did, and she gave a hug to everyone who had been there helping get the children and sorting things out. And I think that that must have been the best thing that ever happened to them for in months. She's generally loving and she's generally caring.

And you can see it on her face and her gestures and everything. Well, Angela, I just think what a contrast. Yes. If you contrast two particular scenes, so you have Catherine in Southport, as you say, spending so much time. By the way, not with the cameras there. She spent half an hour with each family of the victims who died

with no cameras. The family stayed privately with Catherine. Contrast that to Meghan a few days beforehand on the red carpet where she almost used children at that event for an LA hospital as a prop and she was with them for a matter of a few seconds in order to get some good publicity out of it. I just thought the two appearances contrasted so significantly. Yes. And I think this is what really upsets Meghan because she can't work out how to get it right

because it's not in her, frankly. Some people find her good qualities, but those are not she can't actually let someone else be the main part of what she wants to do it has to be her you see it all the time whereas Catherine she really really cares and she feels that her role is to take advantage of her position and help other people as much as she can. And she's the sort of person, if she gives you a hug or she talks to you gently and asks you about yourself, who we can see. People want to tell her. Little children run up and hang around her legs. They feel that she's just lovely. You don't have to tell them to do that. They're just around. It's very interesting to see. And parents feel relaxed with her and that they can actually trust her.

I think it's a wonderful thing that she's got. And it's wonderful for William, helped him develop into a wonderful father and husband because his own background and family, it was very difficult for it to be happy and relaxed. But she's just one of those people where you feel very, very happy with her. Now, the big royal event that we're waiting for Angela this week is King Charles pausing his cancer treatment so this is really significant to visit Australia it's a long trip he's also

going to be attending Samoa as well but what is so shocking is that the Australian Republican movement are just treating him appallingly. Six premiers refusing to visit him. I mean, the damn Prime Minister of Australia, Anthony Albanese, is an avowed Republican. And to me, Angela, look, of course, Charles has made it clear Australia has self-determination. It is up

for the people of Australia to decide whether they want to be a Republican or not. Completely get that. But isn't it quite crass, given this has been referred to as a farewell tour from Charles to Australia, given the state of his health, that they're being so political and really actually, it feels to me,

trying to humiliate the King? I didn't know it was called that. I mean, I think that's a terrible thing to call, to end something when he's actually still alive and he's still working. I can't believe that that's what they called it. I mean, it's disgusting, isn't it? Well, the good thing about it is... I think that's the media, in fairness.

That's the media rather than the premiers themselves. But still... Okay. Still, it's very unpleasant. The good thing is, is that people like him enormously. I mean, one in four are absolutely delighted he's coming. And I've had quite a few people asking me, you know, we're so excited. We haven't seen him for a long time.

We're so excited. It's rather the public like the king, but the people who work for the country don't. And I think if you don't like somebody, you know, just be polite. And I think that anyone, the invites went out last May, and I think you could actually make a, you know, half an hour, an hour time to actually speak to him. Be polite. It's so rude.

Angela, he is the head of state. Yes. I mean, it's so appalling. Yes, it is, actually. It makes you feel very unhappy for him because he has been ill. He is stopping his treatment so that he can do as much as possible. They're going to do 10 visits a day between them. I think they're going to split a lot with the Queen, Camilla,

and King Charles so they can get in as much as possible. And they'll be traveling 30,000 miles in about nine days. And I think that's really demanding. Yes, it is. It's a taxi and flight. This he wants to do because he loves australia he was there when he was a teenager and was feeling a bit lost in the uk and um he loved it he went for long walks and he was found that he could spend time himself and he could be friendly

with people and he he's loved um uh being in australia and he's very grateful that the queen was always welcomed there the late queen and that they helped us in the war world war one and world war two i mean they've been with they've been really our allies and if things have moved on so they don't actually want him to be in charge. Although at the moment he doesn't tell people what to do. He's just there. I think that he should be treated with dignity and good manners. I mean, it's very, very bad manners, isn't it?

Oh, it is. It's terrible. Shame on the politicians that will not go and greet the head of state of your country when actually, yeah, sure, you've got a Republican prime minister, but there's still no of the royal family let's get rid of the monarchy it's not so simple it is not simple because when australia had the referendum i think it was in the year 2000 or around that time they couldn't work out who was going to replace the king and actually i think what's going to happen is charles will be veryified, people will see how ill he is and there will be a wave of goodwill towards him in terms of the public and that's why he is so desperate to make this trip. Yes, but he doesn't mind if they become as independent as they like. He's not there because that's how life changes

and he hasn't stopped anybody doing that. What he would like is for them to be a member of the Commonwealth. And when they meet once a year, and there's 56 independent nations that get together and chat about how things can be done and helping each other. So it has a very positive way. And I think that that's, you know a very good compromise and the fact that you just sort of turn your back is shocking i mean even starmer our prime minister who's against the monarchy or certainly has been has been polite to the king he very much has seen him laughing with him and he um he's actually had the good manners to do the right thing at the right time i mean i'm not a follower of his but at least he

had some good manners and i think they'll look ridiculous the ones who don't because i think there'll be so many people there to cheer him on because he's come a long way and he's been a pal for a long time. He's been there 15 times, been to Australia 15 times, so he really does like it. And they're looked like wimps. That's what I hope anyway. Indeed, indeed, indeed. Oh, look at him look at him he looks so lovely look uh angela don't go anywhere because you've got much more coming up including the

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