Dan Wootton Outspoken - SICK ISLAMIST PLOT TO BAN DOGS IN BRITAIN BACKED BY BBC AS SCOTT MILLS COVER UP DEEPENS

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

BREAKING TODAY: A double scandal hits the British Bashing Corporation, which should be immediately defunded and shut down for the good of the United Kingdom. First, the hard left BBC News is pushing Islamist anti-dog propaganda attempting to get Britain’s favourite pet BANNED as a result of Muslim hate, with even Andrew Neil now admitting that BBC News has a death wish and Ricky Gervais, Laurence Fox and Graham Linehan all hitting back. And the Corporation engulfed in a new underage sex scandal cover up, with confirmation that newly sacked Radio 2 breakfast show host Scott Mills WAS probed by police and interviewed under caution in 2018 regarding serious sex offences against a teenage boy aged under 16. Dan outlines the disgrace of the BBC and how the Islamist hard left is splitting from the pro-LGBT agenda Green party in his Digest. Then reaction from the Superstar Panel: Advance UK leader Ben Habib and conservative political commentator Sophie Corcoran. PLUS: Matt Goodwin destroys himself as even GB News turns on the Reform UK candidate after he admits to copying his controversial new book title from Douglas Murray. AND: Woke ITV management are plunged into a new crisis over the shocking bias of Good Morning Britain presenter Ed Balls. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William banishes Princess Beatrice and Eugenie from the Royal Family as he takes control of the monarchy from dying King Charles. The shocking inside story the MSM will not report with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Uh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any day now? Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm. Tap the banner to order your groceries online at voila.ca. Enjoy in-store prices without leaving your home. You'll find the same regular prices online as in-store.

Many promotions are available both in-store and online, though some may vary. When WestJet first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere, and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years.

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number four. And breaking today, a double scandal hits the British Bashing Corporation, which should be immediately defunded and shut down for the good of the United Kingdom. First, the hard-left BBC news pushing Islamist anti-dog propaganda, attempted to get Britain's favourite pet banned as a result of Muslim hate. One woman with the extreme fear of dogs told the BBC that she feels trapped.

and only goes out on special occasions due to the lack of dog-free zone. Even Andrew Neal now admits BBC News has a death wish after broadcasting that ludicrous so-called news story. And today, Ricky Jervais, Lawrence Fox and Graham Linehan, all hitting back. But also breaking right now, the corporation engulfed in a new underage sex scandal cover-up, with confirmation that newly sacked race,

Radio 2 Breakfast Show host, Scott Mills, was probed by police and interviewed under caution in 2018 regarding serious sex offences against a boy aged under 16. And BBC Radio 2's Breakfast Show presenter, Scott Mills, has been sacked following allegations about his personal conduct. Scott Mills was questioned under caution in 2018 over allegations of serious sexual offences against a teenage boy. Police say they investigated Scott Mills 10 years ago about allegations of sexual offences against a teenage boy. So once again, the BBC, which you know loves to cancel any conservative on the right,

is in the hopeless position of failing to hold itself to account and learning nothing from Jimmy Saville or Hugh Edwards. Thanks. It's a very painful episode. This is for anyone who knows Scott, and he's a very popular guy in this building. I didn't know any of the background here. Okay, well, everyone needs to know. Everyone's got to get talking because I also believe in Innocent

until proven guilty. So the disgrace of the BBC and how the Islamist hard left is now splitting from the pro-LGB agenda Green Party in my digest next. Then the superstar panel are here, Advance UK leader Ben Habib and Conservative political commentator Sophie Kekoren. Also coming up on the show today, Matt Goodwin destroys himself as even Ghib news turns on the reform UK candidate after he attempts to claim that he's copied his controversial new book title from Douglas Murray and that's okay it was always the plan and woke ITV management plunged into a new crisis over the shocking bias of good morning Britain presenter ed balls then a big royal uncanncled after show over on substate prince William has banished princesses beatrice and eugenie from the royal

family as he takes control of the monarchy from dying King Charles. We've got the shocking inside story, the MSM will not report with our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin. We'll also unveil a brand new Greatest Britain and Juni and Jackass before the end of the show. And today, I'm going head to head with Sophie and Ben Habib. Here are our nominations. I've gone for Ed Balls for shaming Good Morning Britain with his left wing propaganda. Sophie's gone for Matt Goodwin. for his latest book, which she says is littered with errors. It's not the fact he has made errors. It's the arrogance he has and the fact he's doubling down and trying to gaslight everyone, Sophie says. And Ben Habib has gone for Max Wilkinson. Now, he's going to feature in the Digest very shortly.

He is a British MP who said that X is a massive problem because it gives voices to those who criticise mass immigration. So three interesting choices for you today. Get voting. Keep your comments coming in during the show. I will share the best before we go today. But now, let's go. There's a reason why I call the BBC the British Bashing Corporation. Not only is this organisation responsible for shielding the country's most notorious paedophiles

and causing the death of Princess Diana. Crimes, by the way, that would have seen any private organisation shut down decades ago. It is now operating as a hard-left propagandist mob encouraging the Islamist takeover of the disunited kingdom. Nothing else explains why our public broadcaster is now engaging in a sciop to try and turn the British public against our favourite pet, the dog. Remember, there are 15.5 million pet dogs in the UK versus 13 million cats.

41% of households own a feline friend. And until the explosion of Islamism, those who were a little bit scared of canines would have been dismissed as a minority. Who we should ignore. But not any more, according to the BBC. Watch. Are we all becoming too dog-friendly from coffee shops, restaurants and retailers like IKEA, Zara and John Lewis? Dog-friendly spaces are becoming easy to come by. There are 13.5 million pet dogs in the UK and 36% of households own at least one dog.

But people who are allergic to dogs, all afraid of them, say that the rise of these dog-friendly spaces is a concern. One woman with the extreme fear of dogs told the BBC that she feels trapped and only goes out on special occasions due to the lack of dog-free zones. She's one of the many seeking support in online groups who offer advice on how to avoid them. But a coffee shop owner whose brand is underpinned by the dog says that they're part of the family. What do you think? Has it all gone a bit too far? No, no it hasn't. Piss off, we know what you're doing.

Now until now, no one has named that reporter. Indeed, do you know, he's not identified at all. In the BBC report or on the website. But Outspoken can reveal that is Terrell Edmund. who is on a BBC apprenticeship in Wales with no previous news experience. We know why he's doing this. And it is because of the Muslim dislike of dogs. And to omit that fact is clearly intellectually dishonest. As Basil the Great called out, the BBC says the UK needs to have less dogs. We all know why they are doing this.

It's blatantly obvious. country's top psychologist Emma Kenny added in Fury, I wish people would genuinely fuck off a great deal more. I've got three dogs. If you don't like dogs, then avoid the country's side and stay away from dog owners' homes. Dogs and cats, I have two of them too, are amazing for health and well-being and reduced stress. Dogs also aid exercise. Also, if you want to write a comment about why I'm wrong, then to save me time fuck off in advance.

Yeah, people are angry about this. I understand it. Star Daily Telegraph columnist Alison Pearson raised, Britain is a nation of animal lovers. If any minority promotes an idea that the country needs fewer dogs, the airport is that way. Actor James Dreyfus, he's a real dog lover. He barked,

what do you think? Has it all gone a bit too far? The only thing that's gone a bit too far is the BBC's. Fervent desire to convince us there are too many dog-friendly spaces. So here's what I think, if you really want my opinion, BBC, fuck off with your gas sliding. So much bad language you say, but people are mad. and campaigner Graham Linehan bemoaned,

this is one of the most disturbing things I've seen from the UK in a while. WTF is going on. From Adam Brooks, there is only one reason that we are seen antique dog propaganda pushed on us by the likes of the BBC or borough councils like Tower Hamlets. Certain demographics hate dogs. Well, tough shit. Britain has always been a nation of dog lovers. And even BBC supporter Andrew Neal, their former lead political, presenter added, BBC News clearly has a death wish. When reformed barrister Stephen Barrett

tried to defend the Islamist campaign against dogs by writing Muslims don't hate dogs, you are being told they do to make you hate Muslims. Lawrence Fox was typically outspoken, responded, I lived in Made Avale for two years with my pack of dogs. Trust me, they fucking hate dogs, a significant reason as to why I moved. Now, in this climate, with his impeccable comic timing, Ricky Jervais posted his new advertisement in London with the pledge, this annoys all the right people. And again, I apologise in advance for the language,

but it isn't the ad the ego. If you don't like dogs, you can fuck off. But this is not the start of the left's campaign against dogs. Even G.B. News has got into the act. We've got a problem. It's a lot about, yeah, it's a lot about the national parks and getting people out there and making national parks for everybody. And one of the problems is dogs. And actually, this isn't just about the fact that a lot of Muslims find dogs very difficult.

It is about people who do not know how to control their dogs. Why do Muslims find dogs difficult? Because a lot of, they don't have dogs as far. pets. They have dogs as... That shouldn't stop other people taking their dogs to the country because there are some people that you don't like a dog. But there are a lot of... As we know, and any country... There's a lot of very badly behind the dogs. See you next hour. No, that is not why there are religious reasons, but I don't care. I don't care.

It's not the point. We are a Christian country. And by the way, can I also make the point that this is not a good time for the BBC to be winding up the native population, as it appears they may have been involved in another massive sex. scandal cover-up with the corporation's own news service confirming today that Scott Mills was questioned by police over sex offences alleged to have been committed by a teenage boy under 16. Now Dapper laughs decided to take to the streets to pillory the corporation over both scandals in a way that only he could get away with. Hi, I'm Peter Fyle and today I'm reporting live for the state-funded Pido Factory, the BBC.

and we are going to be interviewing dogs. After the overwhelmingly positive response we got from this report yesterday that we put out to distract you from the fact that another one of our presenters, Scott Mills, has become a kiddie fiddler, we asked the very difficult question, have we become too dog friendly?

Is it time to get rid of dogs? And are there too many dogs taken over our public spaces? Well, today I've come to witness this dog invasion in person and interview some of these inconsiderate canines. Come on. Allo, mate.

Listen, do you don't mind me asking you a couple of questions, do you? Thank you for talking to us. Have you all not gone too far? Every public space, pubs, capture, everywhere. Are you all not trying to take over? Listen, the BBC report is clear. Dog-friendly spaces are taken over. Have you gone too far? Roads, parks, beaches, your poo is everywhere. Sometimes you have to laugh. But look, this is very serious, and there is now a political response to the Islamism that has been forced on our Christian country with Restore Britain leader Rupert posting if a foreigner doesn't want to live in our dog-loving country, I'll pay for their taxi to the airport myself.

We are a pro-dog political party. And that does seem to be working with the Surging Organization announcing Restore Britain is now the fourth largest political party in the country. We officially registered as a political party 10 days ago proper progress. Restore, as you know, is also campaigning against halal meat. As Kira Dis reveals that Tesco is the latest supermarket chain to have gone full halal, explaining it's not just a small section anymore, it's entire fridges and meat sections at the deli. They're totally ignoring that most of the country is against it, just for the money. Watch. Guys, I mean, Tesco is in cheating mill. So I just wanted to let you all know that we do have a halal section here as well.

So I'm going to get some chicken from here. So it's all halal and it's in Tesco's in Cheatham Hill. And we've got all this here. All this. So that's one fridge. Got another fridge here, which has got all the Shazzo. Zazan stuff in it. So this is all

allow. All of it. Yeah, Shazan is always cheaper as well than the other ones. So look at that. How much is that? A lot of peri, peri chicken, thighs, £5.20.

I think you get six in there. So burgers. You've got that bear as well. So yeah. Even leftist actor John Cleese has been backing Rupert Lowe. After this BBC clip versus Communist Ash, sarco, I'm sorry,

we don't need... No, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, let me finish, all right. The NHS exists to provide the best possible care to patients. Now, some of those patients will feel more comfortable speaking in their native language. I don't care. I have no interest in that. Well, fine, like... They should speak English.

They live in England, they should speak English. Doctors have taken oath to give whatever patient comes to their door the best possible quality of care. That is going to involve some translation services. When it comes to things like DEI, I'm sorry, you are picking the things to play to your base. I'm sorry.

It's a complete waste of money. Having seen that, Cleese posted how refreshing to have some straight speaking in answer to woke molly codding of people who refuse basic social responsibilities. If I was going to immigrate to a country, I'd learn their language as a first priority.

So as a response to all of this, Farage is now upping the ante, comparing our civilisation crisis to 1940 at the Reform UK-London campaign launch. I'm here to give leadership to this movement. I'm here to give you a voice. I'm here to urge you to please all yourselves, do your bit to stand up. This is, this is, this is 1940 all over again. The very existence of our nation, its culture, its identity is under threat. And I'm going to do my damnedest to stand up

and fight for it with everything I've got. And that sounds good and I get why people are clapping, but the problem is, as usual with Reform UK, it's rhetoric, yet the party has no plans to go all in, as it actually taxed to the centre left, with the Guardian of all places, reporting today that Reform Insiders fear links to extreme figures such as Andrew Tate will scare off voters. And it's this suicidal empathy from the right,

which is stopping us properly tackle the issues facing. the country. Like the OZempic failure himself, Harry Cole, of the son, obsessing with the ex-prime Minister Liz Truss over whether the heroic Tommy Robinson is going to be invited to the first CPG this year. And there'll be a big focus on immigration, Islamism, those type of concerns that the average person in Britain has about the direction of our country. And it's open to everyone? It's open to everyone. What, Tommy Robinson?

Well, I thought you were going to say are the news agents invited. They're probably not invited. They seem to have managed to get in here. What about Tommy Robinson, then? I'm not going through a list of people. Well, what about it? No, no, no, don't have a list.

Just, just Tommy. I'm not going through a list of people. I'm not going through a list of people. So I've been here, and I've been thinking out of in D.C. as well. And Tommy Robinson is considered a bit of a folk hero, a sort of free speech political prisoner. I know that's bullshit, you know that's bullshit and yet he's sort of being held up as his poster boy

it's just not true though well I'm not going to go through who's invited conference and who is an invited conference but what I want to believe it's one name because he's just like this is just the game that journalist play you go through a list of nates I promise I won't ask any of any if you tell you

I'm not getting into that I'm not getting into that Harry do you think he would be a help or a hindrance if you did come I'm not getting into that And I'm not somebody who is involved in electoral politics. I'm somebody who cares about the future of Britain. And I want the people who are interested in that coming to this conference. So that sounds like a cupier role.

You could ask me as many times as you like. I'm not getting into it. All right. Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. A gotcha question from Cole, who is more obsessed with bringing down Tommy Robinson than he is about trying to stop the Islamist take over of this country.

Indeed, because he works for the sun. He's not even allowed to talk about it. Then you've got another fake conservative, Ian Dale, obsessing with the new Tory leader, Kemi Badenock, about whether she should take action against Liz Truss for, as far as I can tell, just being completely sound. Wesley says, what do you think of the ex-prime minister Liz Truss

slugging off our country at the CPAC conference in Washington? Oh, has she done that? What'd she say? Apparently she has. Okay, what? Why don't you just get rid of her out of the party? Well, let's hear what she actually said. Liz Truss is a former prime minister, but she is no longer a member of parliament.

I'm thinking about members of parliament. That's where my primary responsibility is. If she has broken a rule of the Conservative Party, then yes, things can happen. But I don't just arbitrarily chuck people out. We have rules and regulations. I think people would want to know that if I did become Prime Minister, I wouldn't be starting a week of time. Tony Blair had a clause for moment. Do you not think that could be yours, where if you're trying to shake off all of the bad things from the past, that would signal that this is a new Conservative Party?

Actually, the new Conservative Party is here. Nigel Farage has been doing a lot of my spring cleaning for me. Liz Truss is not an MP. She doesn't even live in the country. She's an ex-P Prime Minister? That is true. She doesn't live in the country, really? Well, she's, well, well, she's, does she? Because I don't see her here.

She's always in the US. I assume she moved. Has she not? Not to my knowledge. Oh, okay. Well, maybe she does live here. It's just, it's pathetic. It's diversion.

Then you've got the worst fake conservative of them all. Rory Stewart. Incorrectly saying that those of us criticizing Islam are just racist when he should know that being Muslim is a faith. not an ethnicity or race watch. I think we've got to be very clear that this is basically racism. I mean, essentially, the AFD in Germany, or the far right in Britain, or all those people on social media

who are talking about Judeo-Christian values and saying, I've got nothing against people of color, I just don't like Islam. are basically racist. I mean, essentially, what they're trying to do is drive hundreds of thousands, millions of people out of their country. I mean, the AFD, some of their leadership are very clear about it. They talk about remigration. You're a Muslim, you're going to be shoved out of Germany. And it's the most amazing nonsense. This idea that somehow Islam itself is a kind of inherently bad religion,

and other religions are sort of inherently good, is completely demented. No, Rory Stewart, you are completely demented for trying to conflate a religion with a race. And actually, Gad SAD is owning you in the last hour. Look at this. Dare Rory Stewart, and this is the top Canadian academic, Islam is a codified set of beliefs. its adherence span many races and ethnicities, including very white, like Albanians, brown, Egyptian, black, Senegal and Asian, Indonesian, among others.

Hence, when you say that it is racist to be wary of Islam, which race are you specifically referring to? Please use very simple words in your response so that I can follow your brilliant reply. Let's be honest about it. They just want to shut us up. Look at Max Wilkinson, the Liberal Democrat MP saying the quiet part out loud. Social media platforms like X are bad because they give ordinary British natives a voice to speak up. We obviously have social media, which is a massive problem at the moment for engagement.

I'm tempted to say, you know, how you make your voice heard as a citizen in 2025 in the UK, set up an ex account and start writing some sort of nativist content and it will go around the world really really quickly your voice will be heard as quickly as you want it to be not in a way that i would be comfortable with and i would just probably not aware that most people on the panel this evening would be comfortable with either and but that is a really easy way to get your voice heard get some content about you know how you think immigration's too high or immigration is the big thing that's tearing the country apart etc and that goes around the world because social media run by the world's richest man, X is now making sure that you can have your voice heard in a really easy way that you couldn't in the past.

That's chilling because it shows that the only way the left think they will win is by stopping us talking about shit like this. Shit like the growing split in the Islamist left Green Party as the coalition between the LGBT plus degenerates and Muslim extremists is already breaking down After these quite incongruous scenes of the Green Party leader, the tip whisperer himself, Zach Polanski, gyrating on stage with his new MP, Hannah Spencer, well, Ahmed Yacoub is making it clear today that the Islamist base want nothing to do with that. And make your own wind up about this. There are a couple of facts that I can give you three.

from the video. It's daylight. Daylight in Trafalgar Square and I am sure there are children in the crowd. This is something that I would want my children to be exposed to. This is not a private members club and it's not nighttime, it's daylight. So this is the Green Party leader and these are some of the things and some of the policies that I speak about, that we are against, that we cannot align with. People with children cannot align with. Remember that. We're screwed.

We're screwed because the BBC wants to ban dogs for people like him. Now, the superstar panel. Sophie Kekoren and Bin Habib with me. Ben, dogs, are they now under threat? What was this BBC piece about? This does feel like pro-Islamist propaganda creeping in because it's not the first time. Well, a lot of the...

Can you hear me? Yes, we can. A lot of the themes that you've covered this evening, this afternoon this evening, are linked. And many of them are linked to Islam. And I can categorically say being familiar with the religion that dogs are regarded as dirty in Islam. And you're not allowed to have a dog in your house, for example.

If you do own a dog, they're kept outside the house. What I found amusing about the story was that the BBC hung its hat on the concerns of one individual who had an irrational fear of dogs. So 15 million dogs would have to cease to have owners or owners of 15 million dogs would not be allowed to have their dogs. on the basis that one individual, the BBC had identified one individual who has a fear of dogs. And this is that whole liberal agenda which seeks to promote minority interests over and above into the detriment of the majority.

And that goes as far as the dog story is concerned. It goes as far as the halal meat story that you covered earlier is concerned. It goes to the heart of the transgender movement. It even actually touches on why. what they define is minor attracted children, what we define or we call pedophilia, is somehow legitimized, normalized. And they're all linked. All of this is linked.

Extreme liberalism, promoting the interests of people who are against our culture, against the way we basically live, against the majority interest in this country, being put over and above and to our detriment. The dog story, the halal story, the pillory. this guy Mills who was in the BBC, and that comedian who called them, he described the BBC's,

what did he call it? He gave them a name which included the word Peterfile. Peterfile. He said he was Peterfile reporting from the scene. But, you know, he's right. Look at the number of Peterfiles that have come out of the BBC. And it's part of them being hijacked by this liberal agenda.

But the one redeeming feature of the stories have revealed this evening, I thought was the Muslim guy Yakub calling out the Green Party. Now, for those of us who are into electoral politics, that is fantastic. We want the Green Party to split right down the flipping middle because they are uncomfortable bedfellows. They're all liberal lunatics, and they've adopted this pro-Islam thing because they see Islam as an ethnic minority, which it isn't,

as you've also rightly pointed out in this program. It's a religious belief in ideology, a way of life, a legal system, etc. But if we can see a split in the Green Party, then there is real hope in the electoral process for us to return a genuinely pro-British government that will represent the majority people's interest rather than taking the need to all the minority issues that you've rightly pointed out during the opening sequence of your programme. Indeed. And the one person who was... not up on that stage was the Greens deputy leader, Mofun Ali, who likes to shout Alu Akbar at the

drop of a hat and whose wife goes out in public in an e-cab with only her eyes showing like that. Sophie Kekoren, great to have you back. What on earth is this anti-dog propaganda all about on the BBC? I mean, like Ben said, they focused on one person of an irrational fear who quite honestly you should probably go and seek therapy because that is not some sort of normal level fear to have. But you're quite right about the Green Party because actually there was a story in the sun not too long ago that they are introducing dog licenses.

And I have no doubt at all that that is probably an idea to please their collection of degenerates that votes for that party in order to please the Muslim base that they're trying to get. But look, if we're going to start banning things because one person doesn't like them, I don't like people that don't like dogs. So I think we should ban them. Indeed. Now, Ben Habib, do you also pledge as the leader of Advance UK to protect dogs? Because this feels like it's been quite a popular policy from Restore Britain. Now your rival party on the right of British politics.

Friendly rivals on the right-hand side of politics. You will remember, Dan, on the 7th of February, when we revealed our first policy, which was our culture. You know, how we regarded the importance of underpinning all things British through the cultural prism, which isn't just about culture. It's not just about art, music, food and all the rest of it. There's a legislative side to culture, which is very, very important. And of course, you can see now with the move towards trying to ban dogs, how legislation can be used as a tool by those who want to change our culture. It would be, we haven't actually thought about, we have a college that makes policy. We haven't thought about how we would specifically treat dogs.

But what I will say is that dogs are at the heart of British culture. I think we are the biggest dog-owning nation in the world. And if anyone is going to come around and try for some stupid liberally reason or in order to protect the sensitivities of a minority religious belief in this country, which to ban dogs, we will absolutely stand against it. So much of what an incoming pro-British government is going to have to do is simply repeal law after law after law, going all the way back, as again, I'm sure you've heard me say in the past,

Dan, all the way back to the beginning of Tony Blair's premiership. We've got to get rid of everything. And if they bring a law in, somehow restricting dog ownership or the presence of dogs in public places, I can assure you that Advanced UK would reverse that law. Sophie, I do think, though, there is a serious issue with all of our political elites, with all of our MSM, by the way, on the conservative side, where we constantly focus on the wrong issues.

And that's why when I see people like Rory Stewart, people like Ian Dale, people like Harry Cole, obsessing over Liz Truss and Tommy Robinson as if they are the enemy, I just get so frustrated. It's like Liz Truss and Tommy Robinson are not the problem. Harry Cole. Yeah, and I agree with you. And it's actually just really bad politics. And I don't quite know where this sort of brand of politics comes from because it doesn't really make much electoral sense.

And it's actually the reason why I think the Tory party lost the last election. Because they spent, and it is actually probably, you know, a circumstance of the 2019 election. Because what happened in 2019 is that people who would never ever usually vote conservative gave a load of conservatives their votes, which then got this idea into political party's head that you can somehow, win over all of the people that will never vote for you. And that should be your focus because you'll always be able to rely on your own support.

So what they were then doing is they were turning their backs on the people who have always voted conservative, for example, and people who they could always rely on to support to try and pander to people who, with the exception of Brexit, would never, ever, ever consider voting for them in their lives. And they spent all of their time and attention trying to please these people that they were never going to please. And in the same sense, they betrayed all of the people who they were supposed to really be fighting for, and that's why they lost not only their core support and they also didn't gain any of the support, but they were supposed to lose.

So this idea from Brexit that you can win over this voter coalition from the left, that was a Brexit only thing. It is not a consistent rule, but for some reason politicians are trying to think it is a consistent rule and they're trying to pans to people who are never ever going to support them in their lives. And I don't know why they're doing it. 100%. And Ben Habib, I mean, Tommy Robinson is a member of your political party

of Advance UK. And The Sun, my former newspaper, is meant to be the champion of the working classes. Well, trust me, it was the working classes who showed up in their millions to the United Kingdom Rally, which you spoke at last October.

Why do you think the Sun and Harry Cole have there be in their bonnet about this man who actually is being welcomed and embraced in the United States of America as a hero, quite rightly. I mean, I have to say I was disappointed by Liz Truss there. He should have said that Tommy Robinson is welcome to come to CPAC. On what basis would Harry Cole or anyone seek to prevent Tommy Robinson from going there?

And in seeking to prevent him from going there, actually what Harry Cole is confirming is that there is a clampdown on free speech. You know, this man, as you rightly point out, Dan, motivated millions of people to make their way to London, millions of people to listen, and probably a million people to make their way to London, many of whom couldn't even make it into London because the crowd was so thick. This man has a mandate from the British working class. And until our politicians wake up to the fact that he has a mandate, he's not into electoral politics. He's not going to stand for office. He doesn't want to do that. He wants to be someone who

makes the arguments, reveals illnesses in our society and so on. He wants to be a member of the Commentariat. But unless and until people recognize the mandate that he has, our political class is not going to be in touch with where the people are. There isn't a single politician, including Rupert Lowe, who would be able to motivate so many millions of people in the way that Tommy Robinson did on the 13th of September. Certainly Kirstarmer can't, Kemi Badenok can't, Farage doesn't get close,

Even Boris Johnson at his peak wouldn't have got that many people out there. So there has to be a recognition from Harry Cole, Liss Trust and others that there is a man who speaks for three, four, maybe five million people in this country and he has a mandate. And instead of trying to shut him down, they should allow him to speak in the way that the Americans welcomed him into their country. I don't know if we're going to be talking about Tommy Robinson again because I had him down as one of your categories, you know,

so I don't want to steal my own thunder by going early. But the Americans welcome him because they recognize the mandate he has, and he has a right to speak. And I think Farage, Rupert Lowe, myself and others on the right-hand side of British politics, Kemi Bad Knock, and Kemi's actually been recently quite good on Tommy Robinson, but all of us to just say, this man has the right to speak, and he should be welcome in all debates. It doesn't matter whether you dislike him.

That's irrelevant. And by the way, Harry Cole is completely wrong when he says that Tommy Robinson was not imprisoned because he was a political prisoner. Of course he was imprisoned because of his political views. The way that that civil case against him went from being a civil case into effectively a criminal one, put there by the venomous hermer, the attorney general who is a political appointment, a criminal case, and then incarcerating, Tommy Robinson as a result of it. What the hell else is that? If not politics interfering in the

judicial system and putting a man behind bars. And we've got to be brave enough to say it. And I don't say it because I'm a Tommy Robinson fan. My views of Tommy Robinson as an individual irrelevant. What I recognize is a man who's got the voice for the British people and a man who has been politically targeted. And this country will not be saved until politicians recognize it and are brave enough to say it. Very good point. Very good point. And maybe stand by Tommy Robinson might be winning one of our goals before the end of this show. Breaking right now, I told you this was going to get dark. I told you that there were very shocking allegations swirling. And of course, we now have confirmation in the past 24 hours

that Scott Mills was probed by police in 2016 and then interviewed. two years later about serious sexual offences against a boy. Not a teenager, as the Daily Mirror tried to say last night, but a boy of under 16 years old. Now this is a very difficult story for a hell of a lot of people, including those of us who absolutely believe in the right to be innocent until proven guilty. But it raises extraordinary questions about what the BBC knew and when. Was this another cover-up?

And why now are they having to leave it to their own corrupted news organisation to try unsuccessfully to reveal the truth about what's really going on with this underage sex scandal? Watch. The show presenter, Scott Mills has been sacked following allegations

about his personal conduct. The BBC has confirmed his departure but said it wouldn't comment on individual matters. Scott Mills has been approached for comment. Now, the former BBC presenter's Scott Mills was questioned under caution in 2018 over allegations of serious sexual offences against a teenage boy

between 1997 and the year 2000. The Metropolitan Police has released a statement saying that a man in his 40s was investigated a decade ago but that no charges were brought. Police say they investigated Scott Mills 10 years ago about allegations of sexual offences against a teenage boy, but prosecutors decided not to bring charges. And I know there are two very passionate views on this story, and we will cover all sides of this today. Of course, it has now been 48 hours, and we have heard nothing from Mills, no denial from Mills.

But here was the BBC confirmation that police were investigating him, their star DJ, until yesterday for sexual offences against an under 16-year-old. That came just as the Daily Mail suggested that the new complainant may have come forward as a result of Channel 5's drama on Hugh Edwards and how the BBC dealt with the Hugh. Hugh Edwards' situation. Now, Jeremy Vine has been one of the few Radio 2 presenters to raise his head above the parapet, talking about the story on air today, but with a tone, I would argue, quite different to the type of passionate cancellation and rubbing their hands of glee that comes when the BBC is trying to see someone like Russell Brand or Lawrence Fox have their reputation destroyed. Watch. If Scott was in a relationship with an underage boy, big if.

Big speculation. Well, except the Meta said they questioned him about that. And if it started in 1997, then that was not when Scott was at Radio 1. Correct. Correct. He joined Radio 1 in 1998. Okay. I think that's all we have for you at the moment. but tell us when you have more. I will. Thank you very much indeed.

Katie Razzle, Culture and Media Editor for BBC News. It's a very painful episode. This is for anyone who knows Scott and he's a very popular guy in this building. I didn't know any of the background here. When the acknowledgement of potential victims came up, Vine insisted that there had been no crime. Listen.

My heart, my grief, my pain is for him and also for any victim of any crime and their family and everybody involved in this. We don't. And when you say crime, the whole point is there wasn't a crime. And that's where this gets difficult. Yes. Because the MET had been over it and there's no crime. The CPS looked at it.

So therefore we are dealing with something you would call misbehavior. Yes. You can get fired for misbehavior. Yeah, absolutely. So the reality is, of course, that we don't know. But we don't know because Scott Mills and the BBC. are not telling us, and that position cannot hold. As the Daily Mail has reported in the past few hours, the BBC is refusing to say why Mills was sacked other than it was related to his personal conduct.

The corporation is now under pressure to explain what they knew about Mills's brush with police and when. A sources claim that the Director General at the time of the police probe, Tony Hall, did not know about the allegations. Two sources have said that within the BBC, it is being claimed that the complainant may have gone to the corporation due to the huge publicity surrounding Martin Clunes as Hugh Edwards, which aired on Channel 5 last week. One BBC executive in London told the Daily Mail today that there's a real belief amongst bosses at the corporation that the timing of Mills sacking and the Edwards drama was not a coincidence. The Hugh Edwards drama showed that there could be a reckoning, they said. Former police officer turned investigative journalist Mark Williams Thomas has said that

the police sources have confirmed to him that Scott Mills was interviewed by the Met in 2018 in a spin-off investigation from Operation Utre. He said the police were swamped with allegations post-Saville and as a result it led to high-profile stars being named by complainants. One of these was Scott Mills. He wasn't charged but was allowed to continue working. Now it was the daily mirror that first broke the story and they were the only ones to actually receive

an on-the-record statement from the Metropolitan Police which only referred to a teenager. not to someone under 16 years old. That, to me, is problematic because, of course, it's a very different story. It's a very different story, and it shows whether there is illegality or not. Of course, the mainstream media having a real problem with this story, too, as the presenters know this man, like Jeremy Kyle on Talk TV. Ready to do Breakfast DJ Acts for Personal Conduct.

This is Scott Mills, complained over here. historic relationship. Last show was on the day of the Hugh TV drama, not interested. Booted out at the weekend. The thing that everybody is saying this morning, and I'm not going to get person, I've met Scott Mills, I know Scott Mills, but absolute chaos. How many more rotten apples are there at the BBC? And, you know, you can look at this both ways, Pete. You can go that there is an undercurrent at that organisation of people who are very, very quick to pass judgment on anybody and everything. They've got their ideology politically.

They think they're the best. No, no, no. He was investigated by police in 2016, say the reports over serious sex offences against a teenage boy. Now, I'm just going to say this without upsetting anybody, 03-4,000-4-9-1,000. If he was at that moment

investigated, and the police did not, Pete, think there were enough details to go forward with the prosecution, why 10 years later, the BBC, for whom he's worked for 20 years. A and one, why didn't they know about this before? And B and two, is it not ironic that Tim David, the director general on his very last day in office

decided to sack Scott Mills. That's not me sticking up for Scott Mills in any way. It's just saying, is this playing to some sort of narrative, last day in the job, new regime? But there are those who are absolutely sticking up for Scott Mills because of the fact that this underage child sex investigation was handed by the police. to the CPS and then the CPS decided not to press charges.

Dan Hodges, the Labour columnist at the mail on Sunday, there may be other facts to come out. But if, as currently being reported, Scott Mills really has been sacked because of an offence that was allegedly committed 30 years ago and that failed to even meet the basic evidential threshold for a prosecution, then that's insane. Harvey Proctor, good friend of this show, who you know had his life ruined on false allegations, said, I am deeply concerned by the Scott Mills story following his sacking. Mills was allegedly investigated by the Metropolitan Police with a file handed to the CPS who decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute. If an individual can be investigated, cleared of prosecution

due to insufficient evidence and still face professional ruin, then we are entering dangerous territory. Institutions must be very careful not to substitute due process with reputational expediency. Justice cannot operate on suspicion alone, nor can fairness be preserved of allegations untested in a court of law are treated as proof. We must ask ourselves, are we upholding justice or quietly dismantling it? Now, that was an argument that Anne Whittaker put to Jeremy Vine awkwardly, the BBC presenter, but on his Channel 5 show earlier today. He's innocent until proved guilty.

But I can't believe this. When I first heard allegations about his personal conduct, I assumed that was, you know, something very recent or something that was, you know, something that was, even ongoing. Instead of which, it transpires that it goes back to 1997. It was investigated in 2016, and there wasn't sufficient evidence to proceed. Now, that makes the man innocent. And why now, in 2006, he should be sacked, which is like the BBC proclaiming guilt?

I do not know. Well, there are some things that you can be fired for that are not illegal. So we start with that as a starting point. You get fired for the fact that you've been investigated. I'm just saying as an example would be, let's say, bullying behaviour in the office. Okay, so there are, it's not necessarily necessary for you to break the law to lose your job.

But I'm hearing... They've given that as the reason. I'm not disagreeing with you. To my superstar panel, Ben Habib and Sophie Kekoran, Sophie Kekoran, this could be cleared up immediately. This could be cleared up immediately by the BBC. an organisation which we fund and they are trying to cover this up again.

And Sophie, you know how much I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But the problem is the BBC is making this very, very difficult. What are they trying to hide? Why are they not telling us more? Yeah, and you rightly said there are two sides to this and we're going to cover both sides of it. But in order to find out really what side is potentially the right side to take,

the BBC needs to come out and deliver the evidence. If they have no evidence and for some reason they're digging up an old police investigation and there has been no further people coming forward, there's been no further evidence, then you have to question why on earth are they sacking him for this? I mean, you've had your own experiences of people making up malicious rumours about you and your brand was damaged for no good reason. And that did you some reputational harm that impacted your career, which ultimately wasn't fair. We, of course, wouldn't want to see the same situation happen to Scott Mills.

But also, I have a question that, you know, if they did know this, how long have they known it for? Why are they not telling us a truth? And also, why is it always the fact that people like Ben Fabi, for example, you've been cancelled off of GB News for quite literally not wanting to support reform? Dan, you got cancelled off of GB News because you didn't challenge Lawrence Fox saying that he wants to shag somebody. Or didn't want to? Sorry, yeah, didn't want to. These sorts of degenerates seem to have a very, very long-lasting careers in the media. And I just don't understand how.

How can people like you and I and almost people. Why are some people protected? Why is there a cone of silence around some people? Whereas you say, there is just a vicious desire to try and cancel others. And certainly, Ben Habib, I do think that Scott Mills needs to speak here too. Do you know what I mean? A lot of the responsibility is on here, Ben Habib, and he's been silent since 2018.

And I would argue that silence is not looking good at the moment. No, it isn't. But am I not right in saying, Dan, that the Met are investigating him again? So it is... Well, we don't think so at this point. I mean, look, my suspicion, but this is a suspicion, is that given the timing of the Hugh Edwards' drama, that this accuser or claimant has probably...

gone to the BBC again, but we don't know that. And we don't know if the police are going to reopen any investigation. I mean, they did hand their file of evidence to the CPS. And it was the CPS that decided not to press charges. So in the eyes of the law, Ben Habib, Scott Mills is an innocent man at this point. Well, if that is the case, and given that these allegations have been around for a long time, then I think the way Anne described the position, she is a very wise, I just came to say something which you probably can't say nowadays. She's a very wise late. No, she's a very wise old bird.

She is. She knows what she's talking about. I don't think she'd be offended by that at all. And, you know, absolutely, there is a lower bar to sack people from an organization than there is to bring them into a court of law and prosecute them with all that goes with the prosecution. But if this is something that is as old as it seems to be, and if the Met is still not investigating it, and it's something the BBC is known about for a very long time, then it cannot be justifiable grounds to sack him. Having said all of that, I do just want to make the point

that there seems to be a preparedness in institutions like the BBC and the judiciary, our police, social services, NHS and everything else, that is prepared to have a level of tolerance of paedophilia, which I think is completely wrong. And I think it comes out. This has got nothing to do with Scott Mills. I'm just saying this is a generic point. It seems to come out of this DEI, progressive discrimination for all things of a minority interest. And it's wrong. And we mustn't accept it. The rape gangs wouldn't have got away with it if paedophilia was regarded entirely as repugnant. I know that there were fears of being class is a racist, but one's own duty of care and concern for these underage girls, these

girls who were raped by the rape gangs, would have trumped everything else if Peter Phileas was regarded as repugnant. I have been in taxi cabs, or I've been in one taxi cab, I should say, where the taxi driver was described, as many years ago, was describing to me how he didn't think it was wrong if men were attracted to children. And I find that repugnant. Yeah, and we come to that cultural issue again, don't we? It's that cultural issue. Although not in the case of everyone, because this is fascinating. This has just emerged in the past few minutes.

Hugh Edwards himself now appears to have liked a social media post about the stressful situation being faced by Scott Mills. Lawrence Fox has fired up on this saying Hugh Edwards had category A, the most depraved images of children in his possession. Children as young as eight, I believe. castration is the appropriate sentence for that crime. It seems he hasn't learned a thing from his non-punishment. Surprise, surprise. And Sophie, this is the post. I've just found the post on LinkedIn.

And it was written by someone called Lauren Beechi, who describes herself as a leading celebrity crisis management expert. And she wrote, the more extreme interpretations tend to travel faster and very quickly speculation becomes more damaging than the statement itself. For the individual, that is an atrocious position to be it. losing your job is stressful enough, losing it publicly, while people try to work out what you may have done is another level entirely. At the same time, he may not be free to say much either.

And that is the part people often miss. The silence is not always avoidance. It is often constraint. But in the gap between what can be said and what people want to know, the narrative really waits for permission. But that doesn't apply to Hugh Edwards, Sophie, where the crime was actually paedophilia. So I think that is a bizarre move Hugh Edwards deciding to get involved in this one. I mean, that man just doesn't know where to shut up, does he? I mean, he just keeps digging himself further and further and further.

But, you know, Ben is right. There is a tolerance for degeneracy. And, like, I put myself in that position. And look, I'm not going to trash anyone like Jeremy Beiner, anyone like that. But if you're working with this person, it's the same people that works alongside Hugh Edwards. You must have heard, you must hear rumors. you must have an idea. I mean, we've all worked in media.

We know these people can't shut them out, right? So there's no way that these people didn't hear any sort of rumors or anything like that. I mean, people that work in media are the biggest gossips in the world. And if I heard someone and one of my colleagues was accused of such a thing, I would, A, want to be finding out and B, if I found out that there was any sort of truth. But I wouldn't want to be in a million miles of that human being. I would not look at them. I would not have anything to do with them if such allegations have taken place.

Well, they've all denied it. They've all denied knowing, all of them, all of the people at the wedding, all of them have denied knowing anything about it. But I found it fascinating that not one of them has spoken up publicly in support of Scott Mills. The Matt GBT drama is far from over for Mr Goodwin. As those across the political spectrum continue to relish in the academic turn GB News presenter's destructive downfall after a disastrous on-air. debate on his own channel with the left-wing commentator Andy 12s. After 12's claims that Goodwin's new book, Suicide of a Nation, contain numerous errors as a result of using AI.

Miriam Cates, as I say, Goodwin's co-hosts, moderated, and it really didn't go at all well for Reform UK's losing Gorton and Denton candidate. There are lots of quotes from people that Matt says they said, which they just didn't said. They didn't say. He accused me in the Daily Mail of focusing on Latin interpretations in Cicero. So let's get away from the late Roman Republic. Let's look at Sir Roger Scruton, who you said was one of your biggest influences in the New Culture Forum you did on this book tour.

You said that Scruton warned, a society that cannot distinguish its friends from its enemies, or that extends hospitality to those who despise its way of life, is a society that has lost the instinct for survival. Scruton never said that. In the Daily Mail article, you wrote, you said it was probably from the Heritage Foundation. It was in the Daily Mail all the times. He said it was probably from his Heritage Foundation lecture. I read the transcript of that lecture right after he said that.

He did not say it there. That is one contemporary scholar who was written hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of things and probably said things like that. But you didn't quote him correctly. It's the same for Anthony Smith. It's the same for Friedrich Hayek. It's the same for James Burnham. It's the same for Walker Connor.

There are just basic quotes that were never said by these people. And I just don't think it's right to support your argument with false quotes. And then this is how Goodwin proved his. his book was not written by AI. What you have been suggesting for much of this week is that I haven't just used AI as a research tool to quote you. You said AI has basically written large parts of this book and much of it. So last night, I found myself in the curious position of uploading my entire manuscript to about five AI detection sites. Now let's start with the best one in the world, zero GPT.

advanced detector that we have. Here's what it said. We are highly confident this book is human content. 2.2% of this book is based on artificial intelligence. The average, for books, by the way, is 10%. And as you will know, AI detection software overstates the level of AI. You've called me Matt GPT. I ran it through chat GPT. Do you want to know what chat GPT says? What did chat GPD? It said, this does not read like an AI written book. There is no credible evidence this book was written by AI. In fact, no, let me finish because this is important. This is about integrity.

In fact, the dominant signals in this book point the other way. There's pro-human authorship. There's emotionally driven language. There's escalating rhetoric. There's signature voice writing. There's long-range argument structure. There's intentional narrative control. You have deliberately misled people this week by taking some historical quotations.

Where are the quotes from? Historical quotations which are mismatchezing. Tell me where the quote is from. Just one of them. To imply that I have written this book based highly... Oh, I'm cringing, but I'm loving it. Things got even worse, though. As Goodwin set himself up to fail,

by not being able to name the world's leading demographers, he claims reviewed the claims in his book. Did this book get peer-reviewed? Was it reviewed by anyone at all? If you really want to know... All of the demographic projections in this book about... We're talking about the quotes, Matthew. We're talking about the quotes that you made up.

Let me ask me, is this book... Miriam, can I answer it? You asked me, is this book... Where are the quotes from? You asked me, has this book been peer-reviewed by experts? Sure. Every single demographic projection in this book was reviewed by some of the world's leading demographers. Name them.

Name them, Matthew. Or do you need to get on chat GPT to find the world's leading demogos? Andy, Andy, Andy, you've never done a peer-reviewed academic article. Per review is anonymous. He's not answering the question. And then you notice. and angry with Miriam Cates, because I guess he thought that his GB News presenting colleagues should let him off the hook.

Where are any of these quotes from? Where are any of them from? You started your opening statement with the fact that you've written this book because nobody is telling the truth. Do you not therefore think it's important that things like quotes from famous figures of history are truthful? If there are historical quotations in here that are imperfect, there's a couple, they will be corrected. Why weren't they corrected before it went to

publish? I've answered your question. Now, I remember every. Goodwin was participating in this debate at 6pm at night. His own show was at 8pm tonight, but he tried to suggest that he was in somehow participating in what he thought was

an unfair process. Watch. Have you misunderstood the EAL data? Does the EAL data, the English is an additional speak of other languages, does it tell us that children don't speak English, or is it just that they are exposed to other languages because they are two very different things. No, I understand what the debate

is about. This book is about what does it take? But what's the answer to that question, specifically? Do you think you've misunderstood that definition? No, I don't think I've misunderstood that definition. This book, I'm on purpose? Right, let him answer. That's worse. It feels like I'm debating two people rather than one. Just because you're in the wrong, Matthew. That's why. Andy, I am just trying to get specific answers to the specific things. Am I actually allowed to speak? You are. Go for it. Right, because, you know, I'm all for fair debate. The common consensus across the political fold is that Goodwin lost. He lost badly, he fell flat on his face. Not one reform UK figure has spoken publicly for him. Lots have spoken privately against him.

The attempt to release a book as a strategy to resurrect himself from the by-election defeat has actually resulted in his reputation eroding even faster. Now, of course there are bad actors on the lift who are latching onto this scandal, like the fake news agents. And that's why I reckon Reform UK will soon cut him loose. Watch this. A decade ago, we would invite him onto the BBC, onto Newsnight. He would be this sort of respected academic. He was somebody who we trusted with poll numbers.

You expect an academic to be getting their facts right and their numbers right and their polling right. and you expect them there to be a weight of sort of academic research and what they were doing. I mean, we never questioned at the time the things that are now becoming much more obvious, which is that, you know, he makes up numbers, he makes up facts. He got into a big row with Medi Hassan a few years ago

because he was talking about the percentage of foreigners that were living in London housing, I think it was. And Medi Hassan, who is just a commentator, had to put him right. Now you've got a guy who's been writing to the spectator, Andy Twiles, who's just a commentator who has to put him right. What kind of academic were we dealing with all those years ago who clearly has no kind of love for or basis in fact or truth? I think why this is so interesting politically is that, look, Reform selected him for the Gorton and Denton by-election. He obviously wanted a political career.

He was disappointed not to win the seat. And I think that what reform were hoping was that he would be. be some intellectual underpinning for some of what they're saying, that they had some, you know, a brains trust behind their politics and politicians. And he was kind of considered an attractive addition to that. And yet now, his intellectual credibility, he's an embarrassment to reform. He's an embarrassment to reform. I mean, that's, that's quite an honour, isn't it? Yeah, it isn't, it's quite, it's quite an honour. I mean, after Gordon and Denton, you know, you know, Matt Goodwin was known as Matt Badloos rather than Goodwin. And now,

He's Matt GPT. Neither are great places to be. Goodwin wasn't happy about that either. He responded, the news agents asked me to debate the book, email below. I said I was up for it this week. They then decided to have the debate without me in the room. I wonder why they do not want to debate the demographic trends I set out in suicide of a nation. So in a new attempt to protect his dwindling legacy,

Goodwin wrote a piece for the spectator titled A-I didn't write my... book. He said it's been a rather unusual month. In the last four weeks, I've gone from being renamed Matt Bad Loss to Matt GPP on the basis my many critics claims that parts of my new book were written, not by me, but artificial intelligence. While even I accept that my new moniker of Matt GPT is amusing, prompting even my mother to call and ask what's chat ChiPT, unfortunately for my critics, the underlying claim is categorically untrue. Then I noted some real diversionary So on March 17th, he says he released the trailer for the book Suicide of a Nation, Immigration, Islam Identity, which was soon watched by half a million people. The title is a deliberate reference

to Arthur Cost of Suicide of a Nation, a collection of left-wing essays published in 1963, and the subtitle of Douglas Murray's excellent book, The Strange Death of Europe. You'll see there, that's because Murray's was Immigration Identity Islam, Goodwin's, Immigration Islam Identity. Now, this seems to be an argument that he is only making now. Do you see what I mean? Now that he's being criticised for copying Douglas Murray's book, he's trying to say that it was a deliberate reference. He also criticised the Restore Britain and Advance UK supporters who are all over him,

saying at this point, the only criticism ironically came from the ultra-right wing where an assortment of increasingly extreme young men began to criticise the book for being too soft. I thought given that I used the book to call for an immediate end to mass immigration nexus from the European Convention on Human Rights, the deportation of illegal migrants and foreign criminals and a reversal of the Boris wave, which brought millions of low-wage non-European migrants into Britain

with no democratic consent whatever, that it would be enough. He then admits to a whole load of mistakes. and misquotes and terrible facts. Resulting in conservative commentator, I'll be our Mancona to respond. Whoever is telling Matt, all this is a good idea, clearly hates him. It is worse to admit that your very poorly research book was in fact 100% your work. AI is actually quite a good excuse for this mistake.

Matt, there is no love lost between us, so I hope you can trust me when I say this because it is not in my interest to give you any friendly advice. it is to your benefit that you did not do an interview for the news agents about your book. I still have no idea why you agreed to the debate on G.B. News with Merriam, Kates, and Andy 12s. Even I felt sorry for you. It is nice that you have got some book sales, but you really should not be trying to defend suicide of a nation on the airwaves again. Just leave it. Collect your coins.

You've not used to publisher, so that's more for you. Publish the corrected version you promised us in the debate on Friday and move on. Treat yourself to a nice holiday. or something. And of course, Restore Britain's supporters like Charlie Downs, who Goodwin has been attacking, left, right and centre have used this story, repeating Goodwin's quote about them and posting it in regards to his debate. But Goodwin replied saying, I stand by every word. I feel sorry for you all. You've made terrible decisions. Five years from now, you'll see. Bookmark this tweet. but Rupert Lowe posted Goodwin made unpleasant and quite sinister rare threats to the young men backing

Restore Britain. I would heavily suggest he focuses on his own output or at least upgrade his A-I subscriptions. So, Sophie Cacoran, Ben Habib, this seems to be one of those cases, Ben, where the right and the left are united. What did you make of Goodwin's appearance, Ben? And do you think this book is dodgy and will Reform UK now cut them loose? You know what they're like. Well, if you read phonetically the title he gave his own essay and The Spectator, I think it was AI didn't write my book. Well, if you read AI phonetically, it's I didn't write my book, which I think is quite amusing. Another slip-up from someone who really ought to be a better word smith. But, you know,

So leaving that aside, my biggest problem with Matt Goodwin is I think he's a fraud. He's a political, philosophical fraud. He used to write articles alongside hope not hate, attacking people on the right-hand side of politics. He regards people like myself and Rupert Lowe in his own article that he just wrote in The Spectator, is extreme far-right, which is effectively denouncing us in those three words. And he is not someone that we can trust. I remember when Rupert Lowe was thrown out of reform, I was invited on, I did it down the line with Matthew Goodwin,

and I said that I would stand on principle and that reform was not standing on principle. And it's a time, the time for political expediency is gone. Reform has to stick by the high ground that this country needs in order to save it. And he kept saying to me during that debate I had with him that reforms, the only show, in town because it's got political momentum. And he couldn't understand that actually principle

is more important than political momentum. For him, it's all about being in the right place at the right time. So did AI write that book for him or not? I don't know. But he is a political expedient. He's not someone who can be trusted given his political shifts in the past. And to get all those quotes so fundamentally wrong, people like Roger Scruton, who, um, um, a famous for what they said. And if you were to use AI, you should even get the right quote from AI. You know, to get all of that wrong,

suggest to me, like so many things Matt Goodwin has done in the past, it's not actually factually accurate. Sophie Kekoren, are you a Matt Goodwin supporter or detractor? Well, I've never really been one of his detractors, obviously. I'm not really in Restore Britain, so I don't really have this problem that they have. But on this issue, I would consider myself,

to be attracted it, not because he's made a mistake or his use day or whatever, but it's because he's gaslighting everybody to pretend that he hasn't. I mean, he's telling everybody that people are attacking his book because they don't agree with the content. I absolutely agree with the message that he's trying to put across about suicide of a nation and the demographic replacement that we are facing. The fact of the matter is, is it strawn with errors? He's clearly or allegedly used AI. I mean, if you have to write an article saying that AI didn't write your book, there's probably high chance that AI did write your book. It's like saying, you know, if you're an actual woman,

you don't have to tell people that you're a woman. It's that kind of concept. But also, it's the fact that he's gaslighting everyone else into believing that he has done nothing wrong and that people were just attacking him politically. We're not doing that at all. He sent his bully boys, his reformed low IQ bully boys, after Miriam Kate, who was just simply doing her job.

He lost because he was terrible at it. And I think that it is a bit of a fraud. If he's coming out here now and saying, oh, well, I'm going to correct the book, then he ought to give every single person that bought that book the 12,000 copies that he's a legend who sold a refund, or he ought to send them a new proper copy for free. Otherwise, he's ripping these people off in actual fashion. And what reform does actually quite highly. They do rip people off. They rip off their members. So to be fair, I'm surprised they're not, you know, celebrating that good thing is.

I just can't see him staying as part of Reform UK, Ben, Habib. Can you? Because how telling that not one figure within the party has spoken out in support of him. Indeed, the only senior figure within the party to speak publicly on this is Tim Montgomery, who has completely trashed him and called for an investigation into Goodwin and compared him to Rachel Reeves and said that he's going to be like reforms Rachel Reeves and not in good one. Reform is very, very prickly. You know, one of the issues I've got with reform is if you put a foot out of place, even if it's inadvertent, chuck you out of the party, no matter how capable you are, how sound you are in your views, all that you've done. If you put one little foot wrong, like Rupert Lowe, who said things in

speeches which Farage's thought was too extreme, you get thrown out. And you don't just get thrown out. By the way, you get vilified on the way out. And the fact that reform has been quiet absolutely suggests that he's going to be thrown out and wait for the, wait for the fireworks. when that happens, it's going to be worth watching. He hasn't really left himself much wriggle room, though. It's not like he can go begging, restore Britain to join now. So that's the thing. Matt Goodwin has made himself very, very vulnerable.

There is only one path for him now. I have a feeling that a lot of people within Reform UK are agreeing with Tim Montgomery on this. Breaking today, massive crisis talks at Woke ITV over Ed Balls and whether it is possible for him to stay the marquee host, or at least the marquee male host, of its flagship breakfast news show, Good Morning Britain, given his political connections to Yvette Cooper and the fact that he almost finds it impossible not to use them on air. Huge concerns with the ITV head of news, Andrew Dagnall, growing worried about the fact that Balls also appeared to express anti-Semitic sentiments during an interview with Dove Foreman. Let me tell Mr. Dagnall and all of the executives at Woke ITV, of course Ed Balls should not be hosting your breakfast news show when he is simply a a propagandist for the government. And so too, by the way, is Susanna Reid, the other left-wing presenter. So you knew that this was a problem.

You allowed Ed Balls to even interview his own wife, the Home Secretary at the time, Yvette Cooper. So I have zero sympathy for you now trying to say, oh, we've given him a tough word. This is on you. And as the Daily Mail has reported, ITV is us. for trouble. What's so funny though is that Ed's getting up from both directions and he deserves

that right? Because Yvette Cooper not happy about the fact that his job is putting her in a difficult political position. Somehow pretty sure she likes the paycheck though. So maybe Yvette better not moan all too much. Let me get into this reporting from the Daily Mail and their show visitor Katie Hind who writes, inside the meeting rooms of ITV's plush London headquarters, bosses have agonised all week over the Ed problem. For Ed Balls, the lefty former Labour shadow chancellor and host of Good Morning Britain has caused yet another headache for the show's hierarchy. The TV host is in hot water following his interview with a Jewish anti-Semitism campaigner that last Monday that ended in the host being accused of anti-Semitism and which attracted a large

number of complaints. I am told that Red Ed, as he is nicknamed in the corridors of ITV, White City HQ was summoned upstairs to be told by bosses that his questioning was, quote, not the right tone. The GMB Anger had been interviewing Jewish author Dove Foreman following the anti-Semitic arson attack on a Jewish charity's ambulance fleet last week. During the live exchange, Balls asked Foreman, who was standing at the scene in Golders Green with emergency vehicles behind and whether he would condemn similar intolerance against Muslim people. Ball said, and Dove, when you see last week the Shadow Justice Secretary, Nick Timothy, singling out the Mayor of London, Sertit come for praying in Trafalgar Square in a Muslim group and saying that is wrong

and shouldn't happen. Isn't that the kind of intolerance and divisiveness, which is causing problems? In the Jewish community right now, do you condemn that as well? For 22-year-old foreman, very smart guy, he works for Robert Generic. There was no equivalence between an arson attacking criticism of mass praying in a public space. And the dressing down by Bosses balls whose wife is Foreign Secretary, Yvette Cooper, was warned to stop being a politician and concentrate on being a TV presenter. Sources tell me the affair has exasperated ITV's director of news, Andrew Dagnall, who had already been watching balls like a hawk to ensure there is no political bias in his interview. He hasn't been watching very closely then, because there is in virtually every political interview he conducts.

He was so concerned by the presenter's remarks that he and GMB editor, Daniel Robinson, held a meeting with Karen Newman, vice president of the Jewish Board of Deputies, alongside other Jewish community leaders. I'm told that the meeting was both heated and constructive. One source in the room said my impression is that, Ed forgot he was interviewing foreman about Golders Green, and for one moment placed him alongside those politicians who were the previous week calling for Muslim Ramadan prayers to be banned. You just can't show any political bias if you were a presenter.

It's asking for trouble. A source said Ed agreed that his interview didn't hit the right tone. There is a climate of intolerance to minority religions, and Ed accepted that he carried out the interview in a clumsy way. But the source added, to be fair to Ed, it was a breaking news story, and Dove had only been booked that morning, so there wasn't long for the presenters to get their heads around at all. Instead of concentrating solely on speaking to a young Jewish man and getting his thoughts and concerns about the hideous anti-Semitic attack to rock the community, it was as though Ed had other

issues that he wanted to put to Foreman. An ITV source confirmed that Balls had now been worn from the very highest level that he must stop using the GMB role as his political hobby horse. Meanwhile, sources say that Ball's role on the show has caused ractions in the Bull's Cooper household. I'm told that his wife of 27 years was left unimpressed with her husband's performance last week because any controversy around him inevitably rubs off on her. It is not the first controversy, of course, because he was able to interview his wife on the show surrounding the South Port riots. He's also been accused of bullying or speaking over guests during clashes with reform UK figures including Richard Tice and Nigel Farage. I mean, seriously,

this is such a joke. This is such a... joke. What on earth are ITV thinking? To my superstar panel, Ben Habib and Sophie Kikoran, Sophie, it's like they know the answer. He is totally biased. He is totally crooked as a presenter. This would never be allowed to happen with a right winger in any circumstances. So the fact is, it's totally rank. It's what we expect from Wokai TV. And at the end of the day, so if this is why no one watches the crap that they put out anymore. To be fair, Dan, I think I've got to disagree with you that no one would do this as a right wingar. We literally have Gibi News, which is quite literally reform TV.

You are simply not allowed to criticise that political party whatsoever. So it does appear on the right. You know, GB, good morning, Britain. I don't think he was being anti-Semitic in terms of that's what he wanted to do it. It came across that way. But I think he was just trying to attack Dove Foreman because he works for Robert Jemrick. Because he just can't get this politicalness outside of his head. But part of that article, again, did say, you know, they've been given the right wing a really hard time.

You know, people like Nigel Farage for etc. Well, they've got Reform TV that gives them 0% of a hard time and doesn't let any sort of opposition on there. And in actual fact, denigrates any single right wing opposition of Reform UK. So it swings and roundabouts on that part. But yes, with I TV, they should never have Ed Boers as a presenter. I was actually on Good Morning Britain once with Ed Boers. And he was just, he just didn't know what he was doing. You know, the second, I think they had to do like an interview.

in Westminster so they were away from the Orsacute and he quite literally couldn't get a word out. He had no idea what he did. He's not a TV presenter and he's not even good. And no, Sophie, you make a very, very good point about GB News, of course. I guess what I was saying is that there is no way that a right-wing presenter who had political connections would be allowed to thrive on any of the mainstream channels. Absolutely fair cop that on GB News they do. But you know that I also have problems because I don't.

don't think GBN you should be operating as a partisan outfit for one party and banning figures like Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe either. So, so, so, so that was my point in regards to that. Ben Habib, what do you think about Ed Balls? I mean, surely ITV bosses could take action very easily by saying, well, three chances and you're gone, mate. Yeah, I mean, Ed Balls is a very low caliber without wishing to sound patronising. He's a very low caliber individual. And I would I wouldn't have him presenting anything. I'm not 100% certain that Sophie's right, that there isn't an anti-Semitic undertone to this.

No doubt he was attacking because of the reform connection. But there is a kind of legitimizing of anti-Semitism taking place in the United Kingdom in a way that I haven't seen during my lifetime. There's always been a minority of people who felt able. It may have perhaps been more people who felt it, there's been a minority of people who felt able to say kind of anti-Semitic things in public fora and on television shows and so on. But it seems to be becoming bigger and bolder. And there's no doubt that it's linked to the more muscular assertion of Islam in our country. Antisemitism.

I see the Iran War, for example, being described in anti-Semitic terms. This is a Zionist Jewish conspiracy, this war against Iran. And using that is an excuse to attack Israel, attack Jews, have a go at them. And I find this repugnant. I find this really awful. You know, there are only a quarter of a million Jews in the United Kingdom. This is not a threatening group of people. They retire amongst themselves. And someone like Ed Balls should know better. It's not Islam, which is a muscular, assertive religion. with 5 million adherence in this country that it's on its front foot.

It doesn't need protection. There is a group of people in this country who do need protection and they are the Jewish community, a quarter of a million of them, who don't come out and prosely and proselytize, who don't muscularly force themselves on other people

and they are continually attacked. Labor doesn't give a damn about them because they're just doing everything to protect the Muslim vote. Interesting, looking at the live chat, Daniel Ulster says, Ranver Singh is a late. plant and of course this is the issue like all of those presenters are in some ways pretty

lefty now sophy korek you have some big news and uh i think this is absolutely brilliant i'm interested to know what ben habib thinks about it too but you're suing the bar council for their anti-white scheme can you explain what's going on because i know you're also crowdfunding for this sophy uh yeah so a while ago the barbubes Council a long term with the 1,000 black interns, I think it's 10,000 black interns program, had an internship where you could only apply for it if you were black or of black heritage. Shocking. And I thought, you know, it's racist.

It's racist. And I've decided that this sort of nonsense has gone on for too long. It is not just a scheme. It's GCHQ. It's the BBC. It's MI6. It's everybody. And I've just graduated for uni and I was looking for a graduate job.

I'm very happy that I work in a hospitalist now. I enjoy the industry. But nonetheless, every single internship or way of getting experience was through these schemes. And look, I'm from a very working class background. I was born two months early, which meant that I was basically born partially deaf, which got fixed when I was 10 years old. I grew up with epilepsy. I'm dyslexic. I have ADHD.

I went to a school in special measures. You know, I'm not somebody who has ever, you know, been massively disarmined. You went born with a silver spoon in your mouth because you happened to be white. Exactly. But all of these things, none of them count for anything, just because I'm. white, whereas I think it's utterly preposterous to suggest that a person who is black, who does not

have any of these barriers that I have had in my life, is somehow less advantaged than I am just because they happen to be black. I mean, it's nonsense. Ben, it's disgusting, isn't it? I'm sorry of it. Sophie, you know, I think it's admirable that you're taking them to court. Well done.

If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know. But it is disgusting. But this also comes, I discussed earlier in the program, how legislation is undermined, our culture. Now, our culture is not prejudice. Our culture couldn't care less about the colour of someone's skin. What our culture cares about principally and should legitimately care about is meritocracy. We must discriminate on people's ability to do their job. And Sophie makes a very, very powerful point. She mentioned a whole string of public institutions,

which are recruiting people. GCHQ was one of the ones she named. She could also name the the RAF, the Navy, in the Army, who are recruiting people based on their skin color. The surest way to make sure that we are incapable of defending ourselves in this country is by filling the ranks of our armed forces with people who are incapable of fighting. And we've got to go back to meritocracy. We've got to get rid of all this immutable characteristics, prejudice out of our system. Get rid of DEI. Everyone must compete on a level playing field.

Indeed. And Sophie, how can people get involved? Well, at the moment, I'm doing a crowd funder. I mean, I'm trying to take on most of the burden myself by working an unhinged amount of hours. I'm literally about to go to work in about 20 minutes after this. But I do have a crowd funder for it. It will be on my Twitter and I'll also send Dan the link. But this is a fight for fairness. It's a fight for meritocracy.

This is something that's gone away too long and politicians haven't dealt with it. So now I'm going to do it myself. Good on you. Good on you. Well, look, stand by you too, because we're about to reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. But first, just a bit of feedback coming and thank you for the Super Chat 14 Barber who says another BBC scandal. Defunded, aim high, vote low, but low spelled with an E, presumably responding to, referring to Rupert Lowe. On the BBC thing, Range Rover 63 says

Dan, the BBC are getting worse and worse, deliberate gaslighting. This is a result of their Islamist attempt to get dogs banned. David Bedwell, says the BBC shouldn't be doing this. If you don't like dogs move, we need to stop pandering. And Tim OGB says, Farage is very clever. He speaks in a way that makes people think he is talking about what they believe in, but actually could be talking about the opposite. It's deliberately vague. Okay, a reminder of your GB and UJ nominees. So, I nominated Ed Balls for what we have just discussed in regards to Good Morning Britain. Sophie Kekoran went for Matt Good for his latest book littered with errors and alleged AI uses.

And Ben Habib went for Max Wilkinson, the British MP who said that X is a massive problem because, you know, it gives ordinary people a voice. Who would want that? In third position, it is Matt Wilkinson and Ben Habee with 18% of the vote. The runner are Matt Goodwin with 31% of the vote. But look, I have to say, guys, I'm sorry, I'm the winner today.

51% of you went for Ed Balls, which surely means ITV must. now sack him. But look, Ben, you are nominating our greatest Britain today. Who have you gone for? So I've done it really for the success, the dramatic change in this individual's life within a period of a year. Last year, Tommy Robinson was in solitary confinement with his physical being threatened. This year, he not only got a visa to the United States of America, which has been problematic for him in the past, but he's been received by the Trump administration into the State Department, which is effectively their foreign office where they receive dignitaries, people whom they regard

highly coming into the country from foreign places. He has been legitimized and proven to have the worth of, be worthy enough to get this phenomenal invitation from the Trump administration. And it is only in this country where he still continues to be vilified by the mainstream and everyone else. But I think at any measure, even the extreme far-left lunatics have to accept that someone who's gone from solitary confinement with his physical being threatened, not being allowed into the United States to being entertained in the State Department, like a foreign dignitary, is one hell of a turnaround. And so you've got to nominate Tommy Robinson for that. Amazing choice. Thank you so much to Ben Habib, who is, of course, the leader of advance

UK and Sophie could Corrin and you can find her crowd fund on her ex account but she will send me the link to put in the description to the show as well. Okay, we're moving over to Substack. Now there's big royal news. King Charles giving up control really of the British Royal Family's Prince William. This is huge. So we're going to discuss it over on substack www. www. outspoken.com. Angela Levin with me today. But I will be back with you live tomorrow. 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific, hit subscribe on Substack and YouTube. Turn on the notification bell. And also we are available as a podcast too. So I would love you to subscribe to the audio version on Apple Podcasts. We're also available as a video version, a video podcast on Spotify

that you can listen to, just whichever you prefer. Totally free to subscribe. In fact, you can find us on any podcast platform. All I ask is that you please do rate and review. Most importantly, though remember, I promise to keep fighting for you.