Dan Wootton Outspoken - SOUTHPORT COVER UP EXPOSED IN COURT AS MSM STILL CENSOR THE TRUTH ABOUT AXEL RUDAKUBANA

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. Terrorist Axel Rudakubana is sentenced after ...a dramatic and emotional day in court, where the vermin acted like the evil he is, refusing families the peaceful conclusion they deserved to the July 29th murders at the Heart Space in Southport. But Dan will promise: “Today has been difficult, today has been heartbreaking. But I just want to say from the off that I will not be part of the cover up of the Southport Massacre on Outspoken. We must see evil in order to deal with evil.” In his Digest, Dan will then reveal the truth about why the establishment and MSM do not want the public to understand the reality of Southport. Afterwards his special guest Connor Tomlinson joins live. PLUS: One in 12 Londoners are revealed to be illegal migrants as the shocking invasion of the UK continues at pace. AND: Suella Braverman goes public, calling for an official deal or merger between the Conservatives and Reform UK. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle’s sister Samantha Markle joins Dan live as the fallout from Prince Harry’s decision to settle with Rupert Murdoch and LA disaster tourism outrage continues. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day:    / @danwoottonoutspoken   ---------- Today’s Sponsors: GROUND.NEWS - Go to https://ground.news/outspoken to see through media bias and stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. INCOGNI - Take back your personal data with Incogni! Use code OUTSPOKEN at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: http://incogni.com/outspoken SURFSHARK - Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra four months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price VERSO - https://buy.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. MANSCAPED - https://manscaped.com – get 20% off + free shipping with the code Outspoken. ---------- Dan Wootton Outspoken is fan funded through monthly and one-time donations: https://www.outspoken.live ---------- Join Dan's Substack community: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltone... ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan?... Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook:   / danwootton   Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/... #DanWootton #DanWoottonOutspoken #news #outspoken Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:26 understand that means there might be some details that are too difficult for some of you. I understand that but I believe we must see evil in order to be able to deal with evil. So breaking right now, the terrorist Axel Rudikabana has been sentenced to 52 years in prison after a dramatic and emotional day in court where this vermin acted like the evil bastard he is, refusing families the peaceful conclusion they deserved to the July 29th murders at the Heart Space in Southport. GB News admits to censoring the news, sly news, attempts to promote diversity propaganda even when the horrific details were emerging in court. So in my digest next, the truth about why the establishment and the MSM do not want the public to understand the reality of Southport. Then my special guest,
Starting point is 00:02:33 Connor Tomlinson, joins me live. Also coming up on the show today, one in 12 Londoners revealed to be illegal migrants as the shocking invasion of the UK continues at pace. And Suella Braverman goes public calling for an official deal or merger between the Conservatives and Reform UK as the battle between Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson turns uglier. It's going to be a difficult edition of the show today, but let's go. Sometimes a crime is so barbaric, so horrifying, so subhuman, that it has the ability to change a nation forever. The lives of B.B. King, L.C. Dot Stancombe and Alice de Silva Aguirre will not be in vain because they must not be in vain. As Brits, we cannot let this happen again. We will not let this happen again. No amount of cover-up from the government,
Starting point is 00:04:00 the Prime Minister, the police and the CPS will make us forget. No amount of censorship from the MSM, which continued in court today, will allow us to forget the horrors of the July 29th murders at the Hartspace in Southport as young girls gathered to celebrate Taylor Swift. The truth must prevail. The unimaginable trauma of that day well this is difficult but it must be imagined because otherwise we will allow our corrupt leaders to continue importing this type of horror into our once great united kingdom i truly believe that the dam burst after Southport. No longer were there those cries of don't look back and anger like after the Manchester Arena bombing. Instead, the anger was palpable. The fact Slippery Starmer and Calamity Cooper conspired with the Liverpool Police and CPS to keep the details hidden forever smashed a trust in this brand
Starting point is 00:05:06 new Labour government, which we know is not on the side of the people. So let me be very clear. Axel Rudikabana is a terrorist who was motivated by an extreme Islam ideology and has practiced his new faith openly behind bars in Balmarsh prison. He was in possession of an Al-Qaeda manual and had been producing ricin. To suggest there was no political motivation behind his act of terror is completely ludicrous. And I note Judge Goose in his sentence scene seemed to agree that this should have been considered a terrorist attack. And by the way, this is not a new form of terrorism. Lone wolf Islam extremists have been killing innocent Brits for years, but our elite class looks away. When it was David Amess murdered by an Islam terrorist as a result
Starting point is 00:06:07 of prevent failures, the establishment blamed hurty words on Twitter, targeted at politicians. With Axel Rudiger Barna, I feel like the MSM have found every possible motivation other than the real one. Most recently, misogyny. But blame has also been cast on Amazon, on social media, Elon Musk, and even Donald Trump. Anything to discuss, or I'd say actually anything not to discuss, what we all know is happening to our country thanks to invasion promoting an ideology that does not believe in our way of life even today even today sly news decided to spread its permanent message of diversity being our strength outside of court to give communities that confidence back that actually misinformation needs to be
Starting point is 00:07:07 tackled, that, you know, neighbours need to stand together and communities really need to come together. You know, diversity is a strength. It's not something that should be feared and actually we need to unite more in the aftermath of it. Then they blamed everything else. With the details that will come out once the hearing gets underway. But what we know so far is the big question about, you know, why wasn't he charged with an act of terrorism? And it's because he didn't fit the framework of terrorism. He didn't subscribe to a particular ideology.
Starting point is 00:07:45 What we know so far is that he was reading a wide range of materials, so you couldn't say that it was motivated by an ideology. But you talk about the thousands that are referred to prevent. How many of them have the same background as Rudolf Kahn? Young men, isolated, obsessed with violence. We know you have a problem with knife crime in this country. This is a whole area that is not being tackled by a particular organisation. It is not being seen as its own problem that needs to be addressed.
Starting point is 00:08:19 The focus has been so much on terrorism that this is being overlooked. Because he is a terrorist. Then Sly News revealed they would censor details from court as the cover-up goes on. It's worth pointing out that some of the detail heard in court that we won't be making public is out of sensitivity to the families. Yes, I mean, that's basically it. I mean, there's no need, really, and I think most people accept that, for us as broadcasters and our newspaper colleagues to dwell on the acute details of the injuries that were inflicted on such young victims.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Even GB News did the same. It is incredibly graphic, and we've taken the decision here on GB News did the same. girls and the two adults. Suffice to say, it was an absolutely horrific event that unfolded that, of course, we know resulted in the murders of those three young girls. Well, I'm sorry, I can't and I won't, because I repeat, evil needs to be seen to be believed. So today, Rudacabana shouted like a little baby in court. He was a coward till the end. He deserves to rot in hell for targeting the most vulnerable in society, young girls being looked after by lovely female teachers at a happy Taylor Swift dance
Starting point is 00:10:06 class. We learn today that children screamed as Rudy Cabana chased them around the room, attempting to behead them. One teacher managed to lock herself in the toilet with a young child. Others escaped with blood pouring from their bodies. Leanne Lucas, the dance class teacher who was stabbed herself, recalls the knife plunging into her back as she screamed to the children, run away, run away. One mother, the prosecutor revealed, who was waiting outside, managed to grab her daughter and get her into the car. Three other children also got into that vehicle, one of whom had a bleeding injury to her chest. However, Alice de Silva Aguirre collapsed by the side of the vehicle, badly injured. She later died. Elsie Stanko had at least 85 sharp force injuries and was pronounced dead at the scene.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Bibi King suffered at least 122 sharp force injuries. One survivor was stabbed 32 times. She was seen on CCTV being pulled back into the building by Rudy Cabana having almost escaped. The most significant wound to her back penetrated her diaphragm and kidney. One child needs antibiotics for the rest of her life after having her spleen removed. Another 10-year-old survivor suffered eight stab wounds. The father of one injured girl told the court, our daughter has not only experienced the most And Rudikabana simply celebrated. The court heard today, he said afterwards, I'm so glad those kids are dead. It makes me happy. I don't care. I'm fairly neutral. It's a good thing those children are dead. And Rudakabana, to our eternal shame, has actually never shied away
Starting point is 00:12:49 from his evil intentions. He was a terrorist hiding in plain sight who was allowed to kill. The prosecutor revealed in court that on October the 4th, 2019, 2019, nearly five years before the attack, that Rudi Cabana had contacted Childline and asked, what should I do if I want to kill somebody? He then brought a knife to school 10 times. That same month, he was asked why he had done so and he replied matter-of-factly to use it. I repeat, he was a terrorist hiding in plain sight who was allowed to kill. There were three referrals to prevent. In November 2019, one was made because the defendant had been researching school shootings during an information technology class. In February 2021, another referral made following reports that he had uploaded to Instagram two images of Colonel Gaddafi. And in April 2021, a referral made because he had been found researching the London Bridge terror attack.
Starting point is 00:14:13 The victim impact statements today were heartbreaking and tragic. Leanne, the hero dance teacher, read her own, saying there was a long period of time after the incident where I felt I had no trust in society. For Alice, Elsie, BB and the surviving girls, I'm surviving for you. A 14-year-old survivor told the court via video link, Give me a reason for what you did. Arming yourself with a weapon and stabbing children. I hope you spend the rest of your life knowing we think you're a coward. Alice's parents said we kept our hopes up every second during Alice's 14-hour fight.
Starting point is 00:15:08 But once she had lost her fight, we lost our lives. Our life went with her. He took us too. Six months of continuous pain and a lifetime sentence. That's what we got then and the life we live now. Our dream girl has been taken away in such a horrible, undeserving way that it shattered our souls. And I'll finish by sharing the words of Jenny Stancombe, the mother of murdered seven-year-old Elsie Dot Stancombe, which was read by the prosecutor saying the family had lost their best friend through an act of pure evil. And then Elsie's mum added, you deliberately chose that place, fully aware that there would
Starting point is 00:16:00 be no parents present, fully aware that those girls were vulnerable and unable to protect themselves. This was not an act of impulse, it was premeditated. You chose that place, that time, and those circumstances knowing that when we arrived, all we would see was the aftermath of the devastation caused. We were robbed of the opportunity to protect our girls. If we had been there, this would never have happened, and the outcome would have been vastly different. What you did was not only cruel and pure evil, it was the act of a coward. Now, let me bring in Connor Tomlinson. Connor, a 52-year sentence, but no death penalty, no whole life sentence because he was 17 years old at the time of the terrorist attack, and I will call it that.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Is that really good enough? No, the prospect that this monster, who is incapable of remorse and relished in the murder of three children and the attempted murder of many more prospect they can get out even age 70 is an injustice to the families because those grieving parents they will grow old their children will not but they will grow old paying taxes and abiding by the law, while this man is housed with bed and board, and he can consort with all sorts of other freaks inside the walls of whatever dark oubliette that is not torturous enough for him that they decide to
Starting point is 00:17:57 house him in. I think it's an injustice visited on the families that he is even still alive and they must pay for it, and that's why i've seen calls by rupert lowe lee anderson and even swilla braveman reconsidering her anti-death penalty position to return the death penalty and give it to riddick bacana um i think if there was ever a worthy candidate it's him and i've seen people suggest that reform get on promoting the idea of a vote in parliament on it because we used to have an annual referendum on return of the death penalty and we scrapped it because every MP voted no pretty much every single time despite a large portion of the public supporting the death penalty for terrorists. I think it was 64% the last time it was polled and I think that around this time support will surge
Starting point is 00:18:41 for that. If you don't mind Dan I'd like to pick up on some points in your opening monologue, which was fantastically detailed. So I think there's some extra details here that people might be interested in regarding Rudy Buchanan's motive and the villains of the story. So as for his motive, obviously we have the allegation that he was attending mosque in
Starting point is 00:18:59 Belmarsh prison and he seems to have a fixation on Al-Qaeda and ISIS having ISIS materials downloaded on his personal tablet and the third prevent referral being related to ISIS he was looking up how to make uh self-driving car bombs according to an ISIS manual so that was quite interesting and also he was looking at the 2024 Sydney church stabbing uh perpetrated by a suspected Islamist but we're not sure about the exact identity because that man was also under the age and hasn't had his identity disclosed yet however i think the motivation here
Starting point is 00:19:32 is also bound up with anti-white racism and i think that's a very uncomfortable conversation for the ruling class to have but found in his possession in his home were the following books a place under heaven uh amir indian torture and cultural violence the mao mao war british his home were the following books. A Place Under Heaven, Amerindian Torture and Cultural Violence, The Mau Mau War, British Counterinsurgency in Colonial Kenya, Death and Survival During the 1994 Genocide in Rwanda, I wonder if there's any family ties there, Examination of Punishments Dealt to Slave Rebels in Two 18th Century British Plantation Societies, and Before the Poison Had Been Far Spread, about 18th century British plantations in Antigua and South Carolina so it seems like he was nursing a particular ethnic
Starting point is 00:20:09 hatred for the English here for colonial expeditions in Africa and I must wonder whether or not his school curriculum encouraged that anti-white racism given the materials that are shared with children at this time and we know that this was the case and shared with children at this time. And we know that this was the case and shared with school children before people decide to blame his attempt to bring in a knife to revenge himself on alleged bullies, on some sort of bigotry by his classmates. His classmates have reported
Starting point is 00:20:35 that he called for white genocide during a football match. And one official who dealt with his case while he got constant referrals to prevent and the police said he was absolutely obsessed with genocides. He can name every genocide in history and how many people were killed rwanda genghis khan hitler it's all he wanted to talk about so this brings me to the two villains in the story first of all is prevent now you said this time there are no don't look
Starting point is 00:20:58 back in anger narratives for those who don't know i would urge they read my reporting on this. Don't Look Back in Anger was a slogan concocted by the Home Office while the bodies of the Manchester Arena bombing children were still warm directs the media response to contain the public outrage, particularly about Islam, because there is a 700 strong Muslim activist network running the Home Office, and they have an outsized amount of influence over Raikou. And Raikou is the parent body of Prevent. Of course, he was referred to Prevent three times, and Prevent thought that he didn't meet the criteria for terrorism, because he didn't have a clearly defined ideology, and he was just obsessed with nebulous violence. Now, this has become the majority of Prevent referrals. It's about 50%, according to William Shawcross's report. And this is because after a long and successful campaign by jihadist group, now prescribed, Hizb ut-Tahir, the Home Office has refused to focus on Islamist extremism, and Islamist extremism has now dropped below far-right extremism. Far-right, by the way, per the list of far-right texts
Starting point is 00:22:10 they were found to be looking at, includes Douglas Murray, Peter Hitchens, and George Orwell's 1984. Jacob Rees-Mogg. Exactly, yes. They actually investigated him as a minister. Yeah, well, I spoke to a home office, former civil servant, I think it was Department of Trade, who was investigated by Prevent for having a picture of Jacob Rees-Mogg in his office while working for the government at the time. So you can tell
Starting point is 00:22:33 where they've got their priorities straight. And what's interesting is members of this home office Islamic network, members of Prevent, did a seminar in early 2024, I think it was January, after the Shawcross report, and they said that Shawcross was completely non-credible because he would call anyone who isn't looking at Islamism myopically woke. And then this particular one civil servant said that Prevent is systemically racist or inherently racist because it focuses on Islamist extremism. And then later on, when an ISIS video played in the seminar, she pointed at one of the ISIS fighters and said, I know him, he went to my school. So these are the kind of people that are setting the priorities for Prevent. This was published in The Spectator, by the way, so this is all official information. So the other villain
Starting point is 00:23:16 in this story, as well, as we've mentioned, Rudi Bukhara had a 1% attendance rate to the subsequent school after he was kicked out for his original one for bringing a knife 10 times. He was stopped a week before the actual massacre by his dad from committing another massacre at his old school. The real villains in the story are the parents. His parents were given asylum in Britain eight years, curiously, after the Rwandan genocide. We don't know by who or for what reason. I'd love to see that information published, because I think we deserve to know who made that decision. And they decided to repay the generosity of our excellent country by bringing up Rudolf O'Connor with such neglect that he was a constant truant, a violent criminal, an enthusiast of terrorism, and eventually a deranged and gleeful murderer. And currently his parents are being housed at taxpayer expense in a secure location. I think they should be deported immediately. I think they should be stripped of the British citizenship. And I think they should
Starting point is 00:24:15 be returned to Rwanda where they actually have, according to the Daily Mail, diplomatic ties with the ruling Kagame regime. So I think we could probably broker that deal. But I wouldn't hold my breath for Keir Starmer doing it because he's covered up this story at every single stage. Absolutely. And there's been no focus, by the way, on Axel Rudikabana's father's links with the former Rwandan regime, which is clearly a significant part of the story and connor you have written uh for ayan hirsi ali's courage media on this what radicalized rudy cabana and i think it is fascinating i think you're completely right to say that the mainstream media are looking away from those obvious points and those obvious points are yes anti-white racism and yes also uh a an islam extremism motive but what was so shocking today and we'll take a look at a clip
Starting point is 00:25:18 that that you pointed out on x but i want you to set it up first, is that the mainstream media that had already admitted that they were going to censor the trial decided to bring on the executive from the Liverpool Muslim Council to say what? Yes, this was Talhid Islam, a name that almost feels like a sick joke, a man that they brought on during the Southport riots to say that, oh, I'm so fearful of the broader South Cork community now because they might be Islamophobic because, of course, Muslims are the talking about terrorism when this is really just about male violence against women? And then he went on to say, of all days, this diversity is our strength. Well, let's have a look at that, Connor. I mean, it's hard to believe that this interview took place as the evidence was being delivered inside the Liverpool Crown Court. But look at this. It did happen. He's that confidence back that actually misinformation needs to be tackled,
Starting point is 00:26:34 that, you know, neighbours need to stand together and communities really need to come together. You know, diversity is a strength. It's not something that should be feared. And actually, we need to unite more. So it's all the same stuff, Connor. Yeah, it's not to be feared. Tell that to Elsie, Alice and Bebe. Bebe was decapitated, by the way.
Starting point is 00:26:57 So this is just the most grotesque. But he wasn't finished. But he wasn't finished there, Connor, because you actually discovered another clip of this madness. And by the way, this was even after people had pointed out to Sly News, what the hell are you doing giving this guy a platform today? Watch this. And you raised it before we began speaking here live on air
Starting point is 00:27:23 that this was an act of violence against girls, girls and young women. And that needs to be talked about more, because we talk about, was this terrorism, was this not terrorism? This was violence against women and girls, which in the main, and we talk about it so much here on Sky News, needs to be taken more seriously. It does, and I feel that it's not being talked about enough.
Starting point is 00:27:47 He did target a girls' dance class, and we hear more and more in the media about violence against women and this perpetuation of violence against women. And why aren't we having serious discussions about that? Like you're saying, you know, we're talking about... Why does it have to be classed as terrorism for it to be dealt with appropriately?
Starting point is 00:28:06 Exactly. Why are we talking about terrorism and extremism all the time? Why aren't we talking about why was a girl's dance class targeted? Why are women being targeted? And why are some of the most violent acts being committed against women across all communities? And that discussion doesn't seem to be being had at the moment. And it's worrying that this is being allowed to just play out in a way that isn't getting to the fundamentals of what happened. That's who he targeted.
Starting point is 00:28:37 And it needs to be talked about openly and hard questions. Oh, Connor, why on earth are we talking about extremism? Why on earth are we talking about terrorism? I mean, to give a man like that the platform on a day like this, I'm sorry, it shows how corrupted our media have become. I've been so furious watching all of the reports on the British Fashion Corporation as well saying, oh, no, there was absolutely no sign of motive. How utterly ridiculous. There was just as much
Starting point is 00:29:10 of a motive as the guy who murdered Joe Cox in a cold-blooded terrorist attack who had white supremacy material on his phone. Now, for good reason. No one in the mainstream media had a moment's doubt about describing him as a white supremacist. So why the hell do they have a moment's doubt describing Axel Rudikabana as an Islam extremist? He had converted quite clearly. I think the moment of doubt is purposeful. This reeks again of Raikou's controlled spontaneity, because any time there is a terror attack, for example, the 2017 London Bridge attack that Ruda Pekana became fixated on, they bust out 100 imams to the site to read off a declaration that's had nothing to do with the
Starting point is 00:29:55 religion of peace. And so I think this is inviting a community leader on to do what my friend Ayaan Hussayali would call dawah, which is the advancement of Islam as an ideology by inserting themselves into tragedies and purporting to speak on behalf of the broader community and say, well, to prevent this from happening in future, you have to accede to our demands, which is bringing the community together, fighting Islamophobia, et cetera. And this is a classic case, a disgusting case, of distracting via second-order issues.
Starting point is 00:30:29 This is why newspapers have been trying to call him the Amazon killer, as if Jeff Bezos is at fault, as if a knife appeared through the internet, like the blade in Macbeth, settled in Rudolf Cabana's hands and compelled him to stab children. They've been trying to say it's online harms, as they did with David Amos's murder, when purportedly his friends, MPs, got up the next day and didn't blame the Islamist
Starting point is 00:30:51 extremist Ali Harbi Ali, who again, Prevent failed to stop, failed to follow up after one meeting. Instead, they decided David's law should be passed, cracking down on mean tweets as if he'd been killed by an email. And we're seeing the exact same thing go on here. And now they want to move it onto the safer ground of, well, it's just men versus women. And it feeds into the contemptible, man-hating feminist ideology of the likes of Yvette Cooper and Jess Phillips,
Starting point is 00:31:14 who constantly would prefer to demonize all men because if they were to talk about which men are more likely to commit these heinous crimes against women, well, it would be very uncomfortable for their politically correct multicultural narrative now, wouldn't it? Indeed it would. Indeed it would. Breaking right now, the political fallout from the Southport massacre and Axel Rudikabana's 52-year sentence grows by the hour.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, who in fairness was one of the politicians, actually one of the only politicians brave enough to question the cover-up right back last July, is on the attack versus the Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner. He posts on X, I questioned whether the Southport attacker was known to authorities and linked to terrorism. Our deputy prime minister accused me of stoking up conspiracy theories. The time has come for Angela Rayner to apologise. And of course, it wasn't just Angela Rayner. It was Good Morning Britain. It was LBC. It was all of them. But I think perhaps this is the most egregious example from her.
Starting point is 00:32:33 She can find footage of me taking Nigel Farage on about that poster that he did that time, you know, trying to stir up. With the row of people behind him. With the row of people trying to stir up problems and troubles. No, he wasn't, it's true. And he's an MP now. And that is the point, really. As a member of Parliament, he must understand that you have a level of responsibility. You're a community leader.
Starting point is 00:32:48 You're elected to represent your constituency. And therefore, you have a level of responsibility with that. And it's not to stoke up what conspiracy theories or what you think might have happened or lean into what you think. Actually, there's a responsibility to say the police are doing a difficult job. Local authorities,
Starting point is 00:33:07 all of the services that are on the ground, we want to establish facts as soon as possible. Conspiracy theories. Well, Angela Love, if they were conspiracy theories, then you had a duty to come out and say, actually, a lot of the stuff that I'm being reading online
Starting point is 00:33:22 isn't true. Here are the facts. And Nigel Farage definitely agrees with Darren Grimes on that. In his letter to Angela Rayner, he has said, I'm writing to ask you to apologise, not to me, but to the millions of Britons that you deliberately misled in choosing such an inappropriate moment to spread misinformation. By choosing to make such nakedly political points at a time of national vulnerability,
Starting point is 00:33:49 you undoubtedly contribute to the civil unrest that ensued. As Deputy Prime Minister of this country, you have a duty to respond responsibly and not ironically create fake news by criticising others for stirring up fake news when they have done no such thing i've no doubt that you would like to take this opportunity to correct the record conor tomlinson of tomlinson talks on lotus eaters and the deprogrammed podcast with the new culture forum your reaction to this growing southport cover-up row between Nigel Farage and Angela Rayner? Could you imagine if we didn't have the five reform MPs that we've got and this horrific act had happened?
Starting point is 00:34:34 Who would be talking about it? Kemi Badenoch decided not to make a question at all during the last PMU. It's disgraceful. It's a complete missed open goal. It's almost like a complacency has descended on all politicians as if a small aspect of the schools bill is somehow more important than well we know the fact that kirsten armor would have known about the possession of the al-qaeda
Starting point is 00:35:00 manual and likely the rice in almost immediately after the search on the 29th and then would have known about the charges terror charges brought by the crown prosecution service two weeks before they were actually announced so yes he did conspire in a cover-up and that entire time continued to call people far right and remember Nigel who's acted unimpeachably throughout this entire thing frankly Nigel was having it pinned on him just for raising the question that we didn't know all there was to know about this so-called quiet Welsh choir boy. And they were trying to call it the Farage riots. State stooges like James O'Brien were trying to have him censored and locked up as somehow complicit for inciting violence when he did nothing but simply rage completely legitimate and it turns out accurate questions though i wouldn't hold my breath for a reply from angela reyna because i think this is the reason an inquiry has been launched they are
Starting point is 00:35:56 hoping that an inquiry drags out and drip feeds the release of information to the extent that public outrage dies down it passes into memory and apathy sets in and by the time that any calls for resignations can reach their fever pitch well labor's got most of its legislative agenda done anyway and so it's just the changing of the guard and business as usual i think frankly reform should really put the screws on here and whether he gets shut down, censored by Sir Lindsay Hoyle or not, makes us think about this in Parliament. Exactly. Take it to Parliament now, because so far, I agree, he's been completely brilliant on this issue. And obviously, we've criticised Nigel on some things for maybe not going hard enough. But on this issue,
Starting point is 00:36:39 he has been brilliant. And he is keeping up the pressure on social media specifically towards this ludicrous diversion of trying to blame Amazon. Watch this and I'll get you to react off the bat, Connor. So Bassan says it's the Amazon killer because the 17 year old Axelar bought the knife online through Amazon. This is utter nonsense. Every kitchen drawer has half a dozen weapons that could be used for mass murder. The government are saying they're bringing tough legislation. This is all a cover for the fact that I was right last July when I said that I suspected this man was known to the authorities. He was. Prevent the anti-terrorism group didn't do their job. The truth was denied from us. The police were told they couldn't tell us
Starting point is 00:37:26 about the man's background. Now we learn even the Conservative Party front bench knew the truth. No one was told, despite on previous occasions us all knowing whether the person had been known to the authorities. This murderer is a terrorist, even if Keir Starmer won't call him it.
Starting point is 00:37:43 And frankly, what we're seeing is one of the biggest cover ups in the history of our country. We're living in two tier Britain. It's a disgrace. I'm going to fight against it hard. And I just say to that, Connor, I just say here, here, literally good work. Thank God we have reform in Parliament. I completely agree with you. Very much so. It's very important to notice that housewives boy scouts and seeks don't go on mass stabbing sprees despite having a bladed article to hand at all times and this attempt to pin it on bezos i mean frankly i think bezos should look
Starting point is 00:38:15 for legal action against the sun for this because amazon are not responsible because these types of weapons alcohol etc do actually have age verification checks on their website so yet again this isn't the fault, which, of course, Keir Starmer would like to pin it on as the pretext to censor it. We already saw how he was trying, and Morgan McSweeney, his chief of staff at the foundation he created, the Center for Countering Digital Hate, were trying to shut down Elon Musk X during the American election. He obviously wants to do this, but the real villain is not Jeff Bezos. It's, again, Axel Rudabacana's parents. Because how did Rudabacana buy the knife? How did he bypass the age verification? Whose debit or credit card did he use?
Starting point is 00:38:54 Their negligence got these children killed, and yet again, they should be deported. And should there be other criminal charges, potentially? Because, again, what I hate in this case is the complete cone of silence. I mean, let's just assume, Connor, let's assume his parents were the good guys here and they had reported him to the police multiple times. I mean, we know the police were at his house at least five times. Then tell us, tell us, if these parents were actually heroes of the piece in some way tell us if not as you say deport them but it's not just labor going completely mad over this the mainstream media are
Starting point is 00:39:33 doing everything possible to try and somehow now pin this on elon musk and donald trump uh james i think he's actually more deranged than ever. I really worry about what he's drinking. But have a look at this, Connor. I'll get your reaction. It was on Amazon that the Southport killer bought his knife. Amazon, of course, is owned by Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos was sitting in the row behind Donald Trump
Starting point is 00:40:04 at the latter's inauguration. The man who owns the platform that still hosts and holds the footage that the Southport Killer looked before he set off to that Taylor Swift dance class, he was not just sitting in the row directly behind Donald Trump. He is the guy that got on stage and did the Nazi salutes. So I am not given too hyperbole, but the aligning of these planets is at the very least notable. But what the hell can a British government do to rein them in? Because that is the fight that they've picked. I mean, Connor, I mean, it's clearly ludicrous,
Starting point is 00:40:54 but can you decode that or dismantle it in any way? He's either insane or the most disingenuous, disgusting liar on the planet. It's the latter. It's the latter. It's the latter. It's definitely the latter. Either way, I think he should be in a padded cell rather than a radio studio. I think his dwindling listenership will put him there.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Anyway, it's very circuitous to try to connect Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump with a deranged second-generation Rwandan who was clearly inspired by anti-white hatred and Islamist material. I think O'Brien is just trying to use the deaths of these girls to make a circuitous political point. And I think that makes him one of the most craven, disgusting opportunists imaginable. Yes, hear, hear. I could not have put it better myself. That is absolutely true.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Breaking right now, the, let's be honest about it, the despicable invasion of our country, the destruction of our capital city gets worse by the day, but it's so difficult for us to find out much about it. However, the Daily Telegraph has worked out that one in 12 folk in London, at least, is now an illegal immigrant. Nigel Farage posted on this, Sir Kirstam and Sir Sadiq Khan will continue to change our capital city forever. I would argue that is the understatement of the year. Let me take you through some of this Daily Telegraph article because it's fascinating how they have actually been able to discover this
Starting point is 00:42:30 information. So they say London is home to as many as 585,000 illegal migrants, equivalent to 1 in 12 of the city's population. That is according to a previously confidential report. So they say there is no official figures on the scale of the problem provided by the Home Office, but the new estimate has actually emerged. This is fascinating. In a study commissioned by Thames Water and obtained by The Telegraph under freedom of information style laws for the environment, in total there are estimated to be more than 1 million illegal migrants in the UK, with 60% of those in the environment. In total, there are estimated to be more than 1 million illegal migrants in the UK, with 60% of those in the capital. The report suggests most illegal
Starting point is 00:43:11 migrants arrived in the UK on work, study or visitor visas and then overstayed. Migration experts suggested that the figures could be an underestimate, as some of the underlying data dates from 2017, before the surge in migrants crossing the Channel. And that continues, by the way, with the Home Office confirming that 1,000 migrants had crossed so far this year, following the 38,816 in 2024. Of course, that's what we know about it. But let's just lay out the figures. They are astonishing. For the whole of London, there is a range in terms of illegal migrants of up to 585,533. But when other areas outside of London, such as Henley, Guildford, Reading, Swindon and Newbury are included, those numbers rise to 623,000. Connor Tomlinson, I mean, look,
Starting point is 00:44:08 I know we're not shocked. In fact, I think the numbers, and I'll be honest about this, I think they are a gross underestimation. However, it's stark, isn't it? It's absolutely stark to think one in 12 in London are here illegally. That means if you're on a tube carriage and you look around, probably 10 to 15 of the people should not be there, should not be receiving free healthcare, should not be taking your houses. It is astonishing. Yes, I think we can make an educated guess and say this is a woeful underestimation. And I must say Sam Ashworth-Haynes and Charles Hymas did a great job getting this data. Yes, indeed. small boat channel crossings. I think there's about 150,000 of those recorded now, so more slipped through the net. And that was before the Boris wave of 2021 to 2024, record net migration, about 86% of which was from the third world. Only 5% every year is a net taxpayer contributor.
Starting point is 00:45:17 We know lots of them come over on student visas as deliveroo visas and don't finish their useless degrees and disappear into the low paid gig economy. We know, for example, from a study that Miriam Cates did in Parliament of health and social care visas that of 70,000 issued in a period in 2022 to 2023, only 11,000 vacancies were filled. So people come over on false pretenses, disappear into the system, and there's no follow-up. And we know that these cultures are highly ethnically nepotistic, don't value honesty the same way that Christian and Jewish cultures do, and so this means they are more likely to cheat the system if they can get away with it. So I think that this is at least double. I'm going to wager that it is going to be
Starting point is 00:45:57 at least double, and you can tell by just walking around London and seeing how stiflingly unpleasant and full it is, filthy and unrecognisable. And it is very depressing to have lived here all my life. I replied to Farage on Twitter when he put this. I've, I've born in London, raised here. This is the worst it's been since the 2011 riots. And that was a proper flashpoint salient moment for me for being interested in politics because they came right up near my road. And now areas of London, because of just the way the inhabitants treat it, look like they've never recovered from those riots and were never cleaned and rebuilt in the first place. And it's a great tragedy what has been inflicted on our city by successive Conservative and Labour governments and demented mayor, now sir Sadiq Khan. Do you think it's going to be too late? And I note that in your reply to Nigel Farage,
Starting point is 00:46:54 which I think we can have a look at here, this is why you are advocating and trying to push him, and I think you're completely right to do this, back towards the concept of mass deportations. And you say here, only the mass deportation of these foreign criminals will fix the situation. It's a sensible, necessary solution. Well, it's just a basic upholding of the rule of law because you cannot have a criminal underclass existing as vagrants without citizenship in your country, but to be net taxpayer recipients and disparage the culture of the place. a number of strangers outnumber the homeowners and that we're getting dangerously close to that ratio. It's already unpleasant as it is. And so the clip I included there was Rupert Lowe on Peter Whittle's show on the New Culture Forum supporting exactly that. I spoke about the necessity to mass deport the minimum 1.2 million foreign criminals in Britain to uphold the rule
Starting point is 00:48:00 of law. Nigel himself on election day on July the 4th, 2024, tweeted that we will deport all illegal immigrants in Britain. He's since slightly retreated from that position in interviews with Winston Marshall and Stephen Edgington. So we're a bit unclear on that. But Rupert Lowe makes his position very clear. He said he fully expects there's more than 1.2 million and that they all have to be sent home anyway. Rupert has repeatedly tweeted out for the need for mass deportations and I will always echo and praise his calls. And so I think that reform have the world to gain, as proven by Donald
Starting point is 00:48:32 Trump's successful win of the popular vote over America, by promising to uphold the rule of law, by promising to deport all foreign criminals currently residing in Britain. And I think Rupert Lowe's rising popularity proves that it's not just popular among their base, but it's also going to win over a lot of voters as this problem gets
Starting point is 00:48:50 continually worse under a Labour government. And Connor, I was very jealous because you were over in DC for the inauguration. I'm fascinated to know what the view on the ground there was about the UK, about the political situation. Every American politico I spoke to regarded the UK as if the motherland has been lost. They look towards us with great affinity. Of course, they joke about us being redcoats and chucking tea in the harbour. But America was founded by Englishmen on the ideals of Englishmen. It's why they thought they were so self-evident. Their First Amendment existed to stop the denominational Christian wars from the homeland that Puritan settlers fled on the Mayflower. So it's bound up with Englishness, Britishness more broadly, of course. And so they see what's
Starting point is 00:49:42 happening to us as the Iron Curtain descendsends around us as we are the only despotically left-wing government in a europe that is abandoning those suicidal policies and an america where trumpism is in the ascendance i mean in all of my visits in the last few years i didn't see one MAGA hat during washington walking around washington dc people are now wearing them in airports. They're walking down the street in them. They're smiling at one another in them. It's like a new and renewed confidence to step out of the political closet has happened. Like many political people, I sort of poll my taxi drivers.
Starting point is 00:50:19 And when I spoke to all the Uber drivers that I used during my time there, they were all immigrants. They were all Trump voters. I eventually coaxed it out of them with a preface of, well, I might offend you by saying this, and the reasons they cited were Biden crashed the economy. Biden got us into more foreign wars and Trump started none. And I came over legally. All these illegals are jumping the queue.
Starting point is 00:50:38 And so like it or lump it, they've got to go back. And so Trumpism is very popular. It's sensible. And it has been made necessary because of the dire conditions that Biden put America in. And I think much like when an America sneezes, Europe catches a cold. I think some of those policies will cross-pollinate over the pond to us. And eventually, I think reform will feel emboldened enough to adopt them. I look forward to the day that they do.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Bring it on. And in fact, Connor, stand by, because in just one minute, I want to talk to you about this new call from Suella Brabham, who was obviously in Washington, DC, meeting up with Nigel Farage, this new call to unite the right with an official pact, or perhaps even a merger between Reform UK and the Conservative Party. I'll tell you what she said, plus more on this big fallout, it's getting worse, folks, between Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage. But first, the reason you're watching this show is because you know that these days it's almost impossible to trust the mainstream media
Starting point is 00:51:42 or the so-called fact-checkers who claim to patrol social media. And I mean, that's for a very good reason, given what we've seen today with the Southport massacre, or Brexit, or COVID, or the demonisation of Donald Trump. So I have the solution. Today's sponsor, Ground News, created by a former NASA engineer to provide you with the only safe way to consume the headlines. Go to ground.news.com to check it out for yourself. But I want to actually show you, the best thing to do here is show you this incredible website and app in action. So what we're going to do is take the recent story of Elon Musk's fallout with Nigel Farage over Tommy Robinson, which the left-wing legacy media tried to whip up to destroy all three men. And you can see very clearly on Ground News, which collates the 230 sources all
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Starting point is 00:55:12 She insisted the formula to beat Labour involved the Tories and reform working together. And this is what she said. She said, I like Nigel Farage before stressing there isn't enough space in British politics for two conservative parties. She added, we do need to unite the right. We need to come to some kind of accommodation. I don't know what the precise form looks like, whether that is a merger, whether that is a coalition, whether that is a supply and confidence agreement, whether that is a non-aggression pact. I don't know what it looks like. In general, I am in favour of unifying the right. Now, perhaps it's not a surprise she says this, given Reform's membership has now surpassed the Tories. And her own husband, a really great guy, Raoul Braverman, has also joined Reform UK.
Starting point is 00:55:58 And there they both were with Nigel Farage in Washington, DC. So look, Conor, I guess you're probably like me, I assume anyway, in thinking, oh, Suella, come on, you're such a good woman. Just get out. Just get out. Have the balls. Have the bravery to just leave. But I have had private conversations with her about this, Conor.
Starting point is 00:56:16 I'm sure she won't mind me saying this. You know, the Conservative Party is in her blood. It's something she feels incredibly... Leaving is not such a simple option, guess is what i'm saying yes again i won't leak private conversations i actually ran into suella while i was out there so it was very nice to see her again similar sentiment was expressed she's not the sort of person to just jump ship without um good, let's put it. And she does have plenty of friends in reform, and she's always stood firm on the fact, as I have, that the Conservatives persecuting Lee Anderson and kicking him out of the party for making obvious statements about
Starting point is 00:56:56 Sadiq Khan's Islamist sympathetic career as a human rights lawyer was a great big mistake. And so, hey, maybe the teal waters look quite nice this time of year. I do caution against the idea of a conservative reform merger, though, at least under the jurisdiction of Kemi Badenoch, who has decided, rather than address her own unpopularity and inability to capitalise on obvious political opportunities to complain let's say privately but then it got leaked anyway so purposefully about Liz Truss making noise about the fact that she was cooed out by the banks and the deep state I have it on good authority that Bad Knock is not going to get what she wants in terms of shutting Liz up Liz has a tendency to
Starting point is 00:57:42 make headlines I think if Badnock has that very contemptuous perspective towards the exact types of people that reform should be embracing, it's unlikely that the Conservatives are going to be merging at this time. And frankly, I think it would behoove reform to take a large amount of Conservative refugees anyway. I can name probably about
Starting point is 00:57:59 five good MPs, Suella being one of them, that I think would be an asset for reform to take in. But if reform were to take in, for example, Priti Patel, the architect of the immigration policy, which would have immiserated this country and who remains unapologetic about it, I think it would be disastrous for them because they're trying to present as a non-establishment alternative to the Uniparty, which has wrecked this country. And so they need to avoid becoming a conservative refugee camp in order to build a broad and credible coalition in order to set the country on the right track. And I do think Suello would be a good member of
Starting point is 00:58:34 that. I just don't see her defecting anytime soon. No, not at this point. Then, of course, Connor, you've got the other big debate on the right that's going on. And this actually concerns the positioning of Reform UK and the fact that Elon Musk has pulled his support for Nigel Farage's leadership because of Nigel's position on Tommy Robinson. And what we don't know at this point is how much that's impacted Donald Trump's support of Nigel Farage. It is interesting though, isn't it? He wasn't actually there at the inauguration. He didn't get the invite into the US Capitol. He would have been there, I should stress, if it was outside, when there were a whole load more people who were going to be able to go. But the first signs of
Starting point is 00:59:21 this split actually potentially doing Nigel some real damage in Trump world. So this is Brian Lanza, big time Trump guy. He was a senior advisor for this most recent campaign, deputy communications director for Trump right back in 2016. So this guy knows Trump really, really well. He went on the Robert Peston show on Wokai TV last night and made it pretty clear that Donald is going to side with Elon over Farage. Have a look at what he had to say and I'll get your reaction off the back. Elon Musk massively criticised Nigel Farage, said he wasn't fit to lead the Reform Party. Do you think that that will influence Trump? Do you think Trump will be less friendly to Farage now?
Starting point is 01:00:07 Listen, I think Trump's friendly to a lot of people, a lot of heads, a lot of world leaders, a lot of politicians. That's what makes everybody uncomfortable. So he'll continue to be friendly with Farage. But would that have... Does he listen to Musk? Would that have damaged, in a sense, you know, the president's view of Farage? I believe so. I mean, listen, what I've learned over the years
Starting point is 01:00:26 as President Trump is that he put us a lot of weight in people who've created things, disruptive people who've created things. And there's nobody in the world today that's the most disruptive risk who's created wealth than Elon Musk's. So he's going to listen to what Elon has to say in these things, and it's going to have an impact.
Starting point is 01:00:40 It's going to matter. I mean, Nigel Farage is a much smaller person today in Donald Trump's eyes than he was two weeks ago as a result of Elon's tweet and engagement on this issue. Interesting, Conor Tomlinson. What do you make of it? I would be surprised if Trump were to burn a near decade long friendship over a little bit of a falling out between Musk and Farage. I will say that what Trump should be prioritizing to reform's benefit is franchising MAGA. Now, MAGA is an incredibly popular mainstream movement, which has fantastic policies and hit the ground running on day one, keeping all of his promises
Starting point is 01:01:25 and making real lasting and substantial legislative change. And that's exactly what we need to come in the UK. We need to repeal lots of laws on the books. We need to disband the horrendous civil service. We've already discussed Riku and the propaganda department of the Home Office. They need to go on day one. Otherwise, the agenda will be frustrated. We need to deport foreign criminals. We need to get fracking and get energy bills down and the like. Trump is doing all those things. And he's also doing it with the mandate of the American electorate. And so what he should be doing is assisting populist national parties like the AfD in Germany, National Rally in France, Reform UK, despite Nigel's uncomfortableness with some of those European parties,
Starting point is 01:02:09 Trump should be fashioning them in his image to their benefit. And so, look, I can't pretend to know behind the scenes conversations that may or may not have been had while they were out in D.C. together. But I do think that over the long term, especially considering Musk himself once disparaged Trump and is now a close confidant, that relationships between Musk and Farah should be rebuilt. I would anticipate that Trump and Farah are still friends and there should be a cross-pollination between the parties and political strategies to get reform on the right track to be the party that we in Britain need. It's interesting. Jeremy Kyle on Talk TV actually asked Nigel directly in regards to Musk and if they'd met up when he was out there for the inauguration.
Starting point is 01:02:54 They hadn't. But then, and this has sparked a big reaction from Tommy Robinson, which I'll show you in just one moment, but then Nigel went to attacking Tommy Robinson again. So watch this. We desperately tried to get together to have a meeting. It didn't quite make it happen, but we're on good speaking terms. We have a different point of view.
Starting point is 01:03:15 He views Tommy Robinson as a different light to me. He's even going to help fund some of his legal expenses. Fine, do what you want, Elon. That's great. The issue is that I you know, I have never wanted... There is a genuine far right, okay? They're very, very small in number, but I've never, ever wanted them to be part of this political party. And I've never thought Tommy Robertson is someone that I should open my arms up to and embrace. So, fine, some people see him as a hero for standing up and talking about grooming gangs.
Starting point is 01:03:47 I just don't think he's right for me politically. And I think we've sort of reached a point where Elon and I now understand each other on that. Tommy Robinson not happy on his official account. Tommy isn't looking for validation or for an endorsement from you, Nigel Farage. He doesn't want to and never has asked to join your party, despite your insistence on inferring he does. Oh, and stop effing lying about him, you tedious little toad. Not one apology for falsely claiming Tommy had convictions for violence against women. And of course, Connor, what we do know now is that Tommy Robinson
Starting point is 01:04:23 is having his legal case funded by Elon Musk. So this is becoming a more formal relationship. What do you make of Nigel's comments, but also the response from Tommy Robinson? So I'm going to try and steel man what I think reform is doing here and then critique it because I don't agree with the strategy. I think they've made the electoral calculation that your average, let's say, less online voter who doesn't know the nuances of Tommy Robinson's positions being essentially indistinguishable from Douglas Murray, and that he's a civic nationalist who's a big fan of Israel and just doesn't like radical Islam. I think people that see Tommy Robinson as synonymous with far right will be put off
Starting point is 01:05:06 if Nigel doesn't constantly disavow him. And so they think they have a larger vote share to win by disavowing Tommy Robinson than the vote share that they might lose by upsetting their base, which until very recently, the Venn diagram between those attending the Unite the Kingdom rally and reform supporters was a circle.
Starting point is 01:05:27 They were one and the same. I think that strategy is misguided only because you don't need to bring up Tommy Robinson as a boogeyman on behalf of a hostile media who will hate you anyway. Because Nigel, at the moment, is bringing Tommy Robinson up of his own volition. He didn't need to actually mention him in relation to Musk there, unless Jeremy Kyle would have pressed him, for example. He didn't need to invoke the term far right, which then legitimates the narrative that the very hostile press will also level at him.
Starting point is 01:05:56 Because if you use their terminology, you're buttressing their worldview and their worldview would rather see you dead than victorious, Nigel. I very much like to see him victorious at this stage. And so all Nigel needs to do is, again, take the Douglas Murray line on this thing. All you need to say is the issues that made Tommy Robinson possible are only there because the British public have been betrayed by a political and immediate establishment that has lied about mass immigration and multiculturalism. Reform has inherited this mess and we will clean it up and tommy robinson will no longer be necessary and i think frankly
Starting point is 01:06:29 robinson himself would quite like to go back to a quiet life after his various stints of being in prison with the country fixed in a fit state than be the topic of constant media scrutiny well he certainly doesn't have a wider strategy. Yeah, he certainly doesn't want to be part of a political movement. He has made that abundantly clear. He wants to continue a cultural movement. So I think, yeah, I think personally, I think Nigel could have played it differently,
Starting point is 01:07:01 but I do understand that it is a difficult position to be in. But Connor Tomlinson, so brilliant to have you very excited that we're going to have you as part of the Outspoken family throughout 2025 but a sad day obviously. And just looking at our poll today, and I'm really glad actually that you've broadly agreed with me on this. Should the MSM censor the horrific open court details about the Southport massacre? 87% of you say no, just 13% of you say yes. And I know a lot of that content was really difficult but my view is that we have to talk about it and i've been interested to see what you've had to say throughout the course of this this special show uh from barfly voices every pmqs should be said to care that he is complicit and should be classed as an accomplice
Starting point is 01:08:05 to murder. Al B says, thank goodness for channels like this where we can get the truth. The UK seems to be what they tell us it's like in North Korea. Protect British Culture wrote, I find it impossible to believe his parents, especially his father, did not have any knowledge of their son's own intentions. And again, I repeat about that, we need to know. Why is there total silence around what the parents knew? I find that completely bizarre. Gary Mundin sums it up just very, very simply, two words of massive importance. Starmer knew. And yes, he did know.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Jack said these were little girls, not women. And we all know why he did it. He's in jail going to mosque and his prayer sessions and he's got a job already. It's because of the ideology he follows. And Diane says, I now believe my own country treats me as racist. It is obvious that everyone other than the true British born people have all the rights and help time to stand up for our freedom. So lots of anger from you, but I am glad because I wasn't sure how you would feel about me sharing those more difficult details from court. Obviously, you know, Sly News and GB News decided to censor them today.
Starting point is 01:09:34 So I'm glad that 87% of you backed my decision to do so. My view is that to understand evil, we have to know about evil. And I don't like this censorship state. What is the idea with the UK becoming some sort of censorship state? Everything's censored now. Even open court is now censored. And that's not how our society is meant to work. Of course, it is your choice if the details are too difficult and you want to switch off. And I've seen lots of people saying that today. People who I respect, like Adam Brooks, as a father, he just said, I cannot listen to this. That is fine. That is a personal choice, but I don't believe it should be the establishment
Starting point is 01:10:12 or the mainstream media who are making that decision to censor it. Oh, but anyway, what a difficult day. What a difficult day. Thank you so much for your company. Of course, back tomorrow, there'll be much more fallout about this. But we do have an uncancelled after show. We're going to change the pace. I think we need to. We need to change the pace. I'm very delighted that I have Samantha Markle, my good friend, the sister of the Duchess of Sussex joining me because, of course, there's been a whole load of fallout in the royal world. So at this stage, as usual, we're going to come off YouTube and rumble. We move to Substack. Come and join my Substack. I've already released a Substack today on the Southport result. You would have got it immediately in your inbox if you are signed up and you can sign up completely for free.
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