Dan Wootton Outspoken - SOUTHPORT COVER UP GROWS AS MSM COVER UP AXEL RUDAKUBANA TRUTH–SHOULD FAMILY BE DEPORTED?

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 149. Hit the subscribe button on YouTube if you're watching there or on Rumble. Turn on the notification bells, then you'll be alerted to our new videos. Breaking right now, the UK's dissent continues with a Gambian serial rapist, the latest to spend two decades in our country, hurting women due to our soft touch approach. That's in stark contrast to Donald Trump showing the world how it can and must be done. So in my digest next, why the MSM continues to find excuses for Axel Rudik Obama's Islam extremism with Peter Hitchens now blaming an invented addiction to marijuana. Can you believe that? Then my superstar panel weigh in. Today, I'm joined by the conservative commentator Charlie Downs and Peter McIlvenna of the Hearts of Oak podcast. Also coming up on the show today, Reform UK tops the national polls as Kemi Badenoch bombs again.
Starting point is 00:01:14 So is it too late to save the Tories? And major developments in the witch hunts against Russell Brand and Noel Clarke. I'm going to bring you the latest on both of those stories, which I have been following closely. Then in the Uncancelled After Show, Piers Morgan threatens a boxing match with Hugh Grant and the Obama rumours grow. Remember, the Uncancelled After Show now broadcast exclusively daily and on demand on Substack. You can sign up www.outspoken.live. A monthly paid membership gets you access to the after show, my exclusive reporting and columns, our live chats on the Substack app. We have something very exciting planned with Claire Craig involving vaccines over the next few days, which I'll be telling you about. The most important thing though, is that you just sign up. You can do so completely for free www.outspoken.live. Just enter your email address
Starting point is 00:02:07 into the box. Now, I've got something I am very excited to talk to you about today. You might remember if you were with me on my GB News show, Dan Woodson Tonight, that one of the ways that I would keep you up until midnight to begin with, that was our very first show, or 11pm in the later months, was with my segment Greatest Britain Union Jackass, where my superstar panel would nominate from a whole selection of ghastly characters and I would choose the winner. Once I even made it my own mother, which was maybe a little bit selfish of me, but she really, really is totally incredible. But when I departed from GB News, they in their wisdom decided to keep the segment going because
Starting point is 00:03:00 I think it was a very successful thing. A lot of you used to say to me that it was the reason that you would stop going to bed because you just had to know who the winner was. They never really did it with the same enthusiasm though or the same love for the concept and when I exited GB News I made sure that I had the right to be able to continue it on my new venture and the great is, now that GB News has finally waved goodbye to Greatest Britain and Union Jackass, the format returns every day here on Outspoken, but with a little bit of a twist. And the great thing is, this puts the power in your hands if you are watching Outspoken Live. So what I'm going to do is choose the nominees put together by the Dan Wooten Outspoken Club on X. I will announce them right at the start
Starting point is 00:03:55 of the show, and then you can vote in our live chat exclusively on YouTube. I hope that makes sense. And I will announce the winner at the end of the show. So it is a reason for you to stay tuned. Do let me know, by the way, the reason for who you're voting for so that I can share the best comments at the end of the show. So without further ado, I hope that makes sense. I'm very, very excited about this. Today's Union Jackass nominees. Slippery Starmer, the Prime Minister, nominated by Mark for renaming HMS Agincourt to HMS Achilles, so not to offend the French. Nominee two, Rachel from Accounts, nominated by System LLB, just because she's crashed the economy, you know. And nomination three, Ed Miliband, nominated by Stevie
Starting point is 00:04:46 because of his Heathrow third runway U-turn. So get voting now. Do so in the YouTube live chat. The winner announced at the end of the show. I will also, at the end of the show, reveal today's greatest Britain as well. So excited to have GB and UJ back where it belongs. But now, let's go. The people who are prepared to be honest with you about the Southport massacre have said to hell with political correctness or a corrupted political and judicial process
Starting point is 00:05:24 designed to cover up the reality from you. And we have stated a simple truth. That simple truth being that Axel Rudikabana is a terrorist who converted to extreme Islam, had a copy of the Al-Qaeda training manual, was producing ricin in his revolting bedroom, and has been practicing the Muslim faith behind bars in Belmarsh. Quite a catalogue, right? But the MSM don't want to admit that simple truth. And what I've seen over the past week is actually sickening. Anything other than admitting the truth that is hiding in plain sight, let's blame, I don't know, Elon Musk instead, or Amazon and Jeff Bezos, or even Donald Trump. But even many MSM commentators, normally of sound mind,
Starting point is 00:06:14 are really grasping at straws. Like Peter Hitchens, this weekend on the Mail on Sunday, who actually said, these are his words, Rudacabana is not a terrorist any more than Paddington Bear is a terrorist. The idea is idiotic. He is plainly crazy, as are many of those who kill on our streets. What the hell? Well, it turns out Hitchens, despite criticizing sane people like me who know exactly what radicalized Rudy Cabana, he is actually attempting to politicize the most sickening of crimes himself by inventing a theory that Rudy Cabana was radicalized by marijuana. I'm totally opposed to the wacky backy, actually. I agree with Hitchens. It is a damaging gateway drug, and I have seen it destroy many lives. But he has zero evidence that this is the case here.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Yet he writes, Rudy Cabana became crazy around the age of 12 or 13 between being filmed dressed as Doctor Who, cheerful and normal, and becoming the blank-eyed, masked, mumbling grotesque which he now is. Rudy Cabana began to display anger issues and started to turn violent around the age of 13. That is usually the point that the children of Britain first encounter marijuana. Within a couple of years many of them are irreparably damaged and some are crazily violent. Now, again, that is simply not the case here. Ruda Khobana was radicalised by something altogether different.
Starting point is 00:07:55 But we've had a week of this, a week of being gaslit by the dying MSM, like LBC. There's no evidence to suggest this man was a radical Islamist, for example. He looked at Al-Qaeda stuff, yes, true, but that's not quite the same as saying that he believed in a radical Islamist worldview. Well, the British Fashion Corporation doubling down last night on the fact that social media is to blame. Watch. Ministers say social media companies have a moral duty to take down harmful and illegal violent content in the wake of the Southport attacks last summer. Axel Rudukavana had watched
Starting point is 00:08:40 a huge amount of violent content online before he murdered three young girls. The Conservative leader, Kemi Badenoch, said what he'd been watching was evidence that he hadn't integrated into British society. And, of course, Rachel from Accounts, now joining the call for censorship. It's totally unacceptable the fact that the killer, before he went on to commit those horrific crimes, was able to access really easily on some of the online platforms
Starting point is 00:09:09 such hateful material. And those companies have got a moral responsibility to take that content down. And when someone in the MSM accidentally delivers a truth bomb, this is how they react. Look out in my mind. SM accidentally delivers a truth bomb, this is how they react. Look out in my mind. Had people done their job better in the last few years in relation to this man,
Starting point is 00:09:33 those girls would still be alive. So what's behind this mad approach? Well, Alex Phillips actually had a very reasonable theory that I wanted to share with you. She posted on X, Alex is super smart on this this actually. It's why none of the middle classes seem to give a damn about young migrant men loitering around outside a primary school filming little kids. As Alex puts it, yet again, the safety of little girls matters less than offending men with absolutely no claim to be in our nation. And we the people are fed up. Listen to this desperate call from a mother to a migrant hotel.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Hotel and Dean's Hangar. Yeah, are you guys aware that the asylum seekers that you guys have got in the hotel are down by the school taking photographs? Are they doing it right now? They're not right now, but they were about 9 o'clock this morning. 9 o'clock this morning? It's undermined the fact that the police have been contacted. We're aware currently.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Would you like to call the welfare team that like here um no that's okay if i don't actually deal with it is it is there just like any other people in your hotel or is it just the asylum seekers just in case we we're getting confused just okay all right then well we've reported it to the police and we'll just keep doing what we can but i Right, OK, do you have any kind of description? Just so I can tell the welfare team. Yeah, one of them was in an army jacket this morning. Army jacket? Yeah, they were in an army jacket. Obviously, they've all got beards, and there's, like, different ones every day, but... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah, so we kind of... My sister, I was late this morning on the school run, but my sister saw them at school drop-off time. When I was late, I turned up and saw them again, and I beat the horn and they they ran off with their hoods up and stuff so i just wanted to make you guys aware yeah no i mean our phone's been going crazy all morning i've been getting off because um oh bless you i'm aware of what's going on um all i can say is i've got phone numbers for the correct welfare teams and we
Starting point is 00:12:21 do have security here so you all the people who are worried about this can contact them. Obviously, I'm just on reception, so I can't actually do anything. But, yeah, we've not actually had a visit from the police yet. When I drove by this morning, it seemed like it was all just men in the hotel. Is there actually any women and children, or is it just men? No, there isn't any women and children. Oh, OK. Seems strange, isn't't it because they're all seeking asylum but they're not with their wives and children and stuff. No, no yeah, no, I know 100% I think it's the same over
Starting point is 00:12:58 the country but yeah. Okay, alright thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for helping. I really appreciate it. Yeah, no, no worries. It's all right. Cheers. Thank you. Thanks. Bye-bye. Doesn't that phone call just sum up the hopelessness of the situation that we all feel? And it gets worse. Our descent gets worse with the case of Ibo Jasser from Gambia who came to
Starting point is 00:13:28 Britain in 2004 on a six-month visa was accused of sexual assault in 2010 raped a vomiting woman in 2015 and got six years in prison but has taken the home office to court six times using taxpayers money claiming asylum on On leaving prison, he was held in a deportation centre to be sent back while he continued to use legal aid to claim he shouldn't be returned and has now received substantial compensation for oppressive treatment by the UK government. As Alex Phillips puts it, once again, the foreign rapist becomes the victim. Our descent into insanity isn't a future prospect. It's happened. And we've got to do something about it. Now, my superstar panel. and I'm delighted to welcome back Peter McIlvenna from the Hearts of Oak podcast and the conservative commentator Charlie Downs so Charlie look loads to pick up there but can we
Starting point is 00:14:39 start with Peter Hitchens who is attacking people like me, who say this is very obvious. People like Douglas Murray, who say Axel Rudi Cabana is 100% a terrorist, an Islamist. But he is trying to say that actually this is all down to marijuana. Oh, Charlie, just unmute yourself, please. Sorry about that. I was just saying that it's very interesting how since the sentencing of Axel Rudikabana, it's acted as a kind of political Rorschach test.
Starting point is 00:15:17 So as you said, we've seen the government come down on social media. They've said that there needs to be greater, more stringent checks on people seeking to buy what amounts to cutlery and kitchen utensils from the internet, which inevitably paves the way for digital ID, by the way.
Starting point is 00:15:31 We've seen Reform, and indeed yourself, Dan, come out and say that this was clearly terrorism. And we've seen Peter Hitchens come out and say that this was because of marijuana. Now, I think that pinning this case to any one thing is fundamentally too simplistic, because it's possible, actually, that it's a combination of all these things. It is quite possible that Rudy Cabana was socialized by spending radicalized rather by spending a lot of time on social media. It is possible that he was on marijuana and that had an impact on his kind of mental state.
Starting point is 00:16:00 It is possible that he was radicalized to radical Islam. I mean, there are rumors that he was attending a mosque when he was in custody awaiting to be sentenced. But what I would say in response to all of this is let's take it back one step further and ask the question, even if all of this stuff is true, none of that would be an issue if he wasn't in our country in the first place. Because this is the point. The Ruda Khobana family being in Britain is an outcome of government policy. The Rudi Kubana family claimed asylum here in 2002, which by the way, was eight years after the genocide in Rwanda. So it's not because of that. It's actually unclear at this stage why they were granted asylum. So there's questions to be asked there. But if they hadn't been, if our government didn't have this pathological addiction to, you know, so-called empathy to people from the most violent imaginable regions of the world, then they wouldn't have been here and this wouldn't have happened. So I think that that's really the level
Starting point is 00:16:55 at which the conversation needs to be happening. We need to be asking the questions of why we're allowing these people here in the first place, because if they weren't here, we wouldn't be having conversations about whether it's because of marijuana or social media or the fact that he could buy a knife of Amazon or Islam or anything else. Suicidal empathy, as Gad Saad quite rightly describes it. And actually, I want to dig deep into Axel Rudikubana's father in particular very shortly. But Peter, before we do that, can I just get your reaction to the MSM seemingly looking for every other solution to this problem other than the one which is obvious and which there is evidence for? Well, it was on Amazon that the Southport killer bought his knife. off to that Taylor Swift dance class.
Starting point is 00:18:07 He was not just sitting in the row directly behind Donald Trump. He is the guy that got on stage and did the Nazi salutes. So I am not given too hyperbole, but the aligning of these planets is at the very least notable. But what the hell can a British government do to rein them in? Because that is the fight that they've picked. Peter, your reaction? I'm shocked that LBC don't know what they can do to rein these people in.
Starting point is 00:18:44 That does blow me away, that level of stupidity. I'm shocked that LBC don't know what they can do to rein these people in. That does blow me away, that level of stupidity and level of ignorance. But they talked about Amazon. And I'm curious because we talk about Islam as a religion and Islamism as some political ideology. No one knows when exactly that came from because we see right at the beginning of Islam, we see varying levels of violence and spread by the sword and that is right in the root of Islam.
Starting point is 00:19:16 So if we're going to talk about Amazon, I should talk about Amazonism as some offshoot of Amazon that's nothing to do with Amazon but is a twisted form Amazonism as some offshoot of Amazon. It's nothing to do with Amazon, but is a twisted form of the wonderful shopping experience that we have on Amazon. I kind of hate it the way we label some areas one way and refuse to label other areas another way.
Starting point is 00:19:41 So I think we should have the same conversations across the board. If Amazon is the problem because that's a shopping channel, then maybe Islam is also an issue and we need to have Islam on the table. But of course, you can't have that conversation.
Starting point is 00:19:56 And of course, the concerning issue that Rudy Cabana was going to court and he had said that he was going to plead innocent. Suddenly he pleads guilty. What does that mean? It means we don't have a trial. It means the evidence, whatever the police,
Starting point is 00:20:18 the police aren't always very good at collecting evidence and the CPS aren't always very good either, but whatever that was they were collecting that would have fitted together in terms of a legal defence or attack on Rudy Cabana. We're no longer going to see that because that simple declaration of guilty means that's all brushed aside.
Starting point is 00:20:42 And I think that if we are willing to pay the money to the grooming gang rapists to appeal their sentences, of which two million was given to the Rochdale Nine, for instance, and on and on, and you've referred to some of the money that goes to these individuals, Dan, then I think some of that money can be spent to actually have a trial. And let's find out what the reason was that this individual carried out this attack. Was it because he was a loner? Was it because he had had a spliff? Was it because he attended his local mosque? What is it? But the problem is we will never know because that has been shut down. And to me, that is the biggest travesty. The public will never know why this happened.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Breaking right now, growing concern over Axel Rudicabana's father and whether the family should have been in the country at all. So Peter Lloyd, who's done a lot of work on this, has said this is the father of Axel Rudikubana. He stopped his son committing jihad at a local school just one week before the Southport atrocity, yet he didn't alert the UK authorities. Now the entire family have been rehoused at the taxpayer's expense and are in hiding. He goes on to say, there's no way Axel Rudikabana's parents didn't know he was planning jihad. Their house was littered with weapons of terror, including arrows, ricin and blades, all on full display. They effing knew all of them.
Starting point is 00:22:22 And certainly looking at Axel Rudikabana's bedroom, it is hard to believe that your son was not plotting something absolutely appalling. Conor Tomlinson, who was here on Outspoken discussing this last week, has done a bit more work over the weekend, writing that the BBC have confirmed that Axel Rudicabana's father did not report his son to the police after stopping him from travelling to his former school a week before the Southport murders. Rudicabana planned to stab school pupils on the last day of term. Asked about the incident, a spokesperson for Lancashire Constabulary, in whose area the
Starting point is 00:23:01 Rudicabana family lived, said this wasn't reported to the Lancashire police. Merseyside police, who are still carrying out an investigation, said they could not comment. And Connor asks, why did his parents not hand their son over to the police and save the lives of those girls? They repaid the kindness shown to them by Britain in granting them asylum eight years after the Rwandan genocide by bringing up a killer. And it does feel like maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media are turning their attention to Rudy Cabana's father. However, Charlie Downs, it's quite shocking, isn't it, that there hasn't been much, much more focus on this, much, much more focus on why Ruta Gabbana's family was in the country in the first place, the family's connection to the Rwandan regime, exactly what the family had done to report their
Starting point is 00:24:00 son to authorities. We know the police had been there numerous times, but was that good enough? And I guess it also raises the question now, Charlie, should the family be allowed to stay or do we need to deport them to Rwanda? It's funny, isn't it, Dan? I remember distinctly during the election, on a number of occasions, Keir Starmer spoke of the virtue of
Starting point is 00:24:25 transparency and said that he would be a bringer of transparency. But this entire story from top to bottom has been, has had, you know, it stinks to high heaven. Why don't we know more about, you know, about the family, about the circumstances under which they were allowed to come into and settle in our country? I mean, there are various unproven, I should say, reports that suggest one, perhaps that Rilkebaena's family was in some way involved or associated with the genocide in Rwanda. There are unconfirmed reports that Keir Starmer himself may have had something to do with them being settled in the UK when he was a human rights lawyer. You know, and the fact that the government seems intent on just keeping their mouths shut and not actually giving the public any information
Starting point is 00:25:08 about this, it leads us to speculate. It leads us to ask, well, this is all very weird. The way that this case has been treated seems uniquely, I mean, there seems to be a unique level of fear in the government itself about information getting out. So you have to ask, well, who actually is implicated in this? Who is perhaps now currently in a position of power is implicated in this family being here? And just on the topic of them being deported now, I mean, I find it impossible to believe that the parents didn't have some idea of what's going on,
Starting point is 00:25:40 especially if you're living in a house with somebody. You know your children, you know what they get up to. Even if you don't know for sure, you can get an idea, you can look at the pictures of the, you know, the squalid conditions that they were living in. And as you say, the items strewn across the house, you know, the parents would have an idea. And yet nothing was done. So I think that certainly grounds at the very least for some kind of prosecution, because let's not forget that Rudy Cabana was 17 years old when he carried out the attack.
Starting point is 00:26:05 He was still legally a child and therefore the responsibility should indeed fall to the parents. This is something I think that needs to be, you know, it needs to be a far more wide conversation when it comes to crime of this nature in general, because obviously let's not forget that kids are getting stabbed on the streets of London every week, you know, every other day at this point by other kids, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:23 these are minors who are stabbing each other to death on the streets of England. And it always, you know, every other day at this point by other kids. You know, these are minors who are stabbing each other to death on the streets of England. And it always, you know, the parents have to be part of that equation. There has to be a conversation about the absolute dereliction of duty that parents in this country are kind of giving to raise people like this. It's ridiculous. But, you know, somehow I don't think this conversation is going to happen in the mainstream. No, I mean, so much to pick up on there. Obviously, the fact that he was 17 years old, living at home, meant that he was unable to receive a whole life sentence. So absolutely, the family's action should be part of it. Peter McIlvenna, one of the issues that I've got is the mainstream media just doesn't seem
Starting point is 00:27:03 to want to report on the parents at all. Again, they hide behind contempt of court, but absolutely not. No charges have been brought against the parents. Surely it is our job to do all of the investigation into why this apparently angelic choir boy was radicalised. And the parents are a big part of that. It's weirdly over one day become changes from an angelic choir boy, as you can see on the right, to a psychopathic killer on the left with no reason why he has done it.
Starting point is 00:27:39 But, I mean, Charlie is right that we have opened ourselves up and we have welcomed people in. And yet there is no expectation or requirement I mean, Charlie is right that we have opened ourselves up and we have welcomed people in. And yet there is no expectation or requirement to integrate into British society. And my big concern is whenever you bring over cultures where it's maybe a shame and honour culture, that actually if something is going wrong within that part of society, within that culture, within that ghetto, and you look at London, and I'm sure it's the same for major cities across the UK, we live in a ghetto-wide society.
Starting point is 00:28:16 There is zero integration, and successive governments have allowed that to happen, which means that the police and local authorities have little input, little access, little understanding of what is happening in those closed communities. Is that a part to play? Because to me, if something is going wrong, then you actually have a duty, a sense of responsibility to report it to the police. Even if that is a loved one, you must do your duty. But if we are bringing people into this country who have no duty, who have no responsibility to this country, then why shouldn't they just deny everything and cover things up? Because they don't feel part of this country. They're here maybe for a while. They've got protection. But actually, they're not married to this country. They're not part of this nation. They don't have an identity here.
Starting point is 00:29:07 And that is my concern. The values that I was brought up in, that it is fairness. It is actually if you see something wrong, you should stand up for the underdog. That you need actually to go to the police if you see something wrong. You've got a responsibility as a citizen. And we are moving towards importing huge amounts of people who don't have that same understanding as a citizen. And again, that conversation will not be had if we are talking about,
Starting point is 00:29:36 well, it's because someone smoked some marijuana. Literally, is that the issue we face? No, it is integration. It is cultures living side by side in silos, in ghettos. And they have no understanding what it means to be in this country. Many people don't speak English. Therefore, they don't even have access to the parts of this nation, to the police, to the legal system.
Starting point is 00:30:01 They don't even read the media. Therefore, they're utterly isolated. And that happens with many of the women who come over, many of the wives. And it seems, though, that the children are also part of that ghetto. But again, we will never know, because this government have refused to let us have a proper trial. But Charlie, what we do know is that there has been
Starting point is 00:30:24 absolutely no apology from these parents. There has been no explanation from the Rudacabana family. And from all of my research, what I can certainly tell is that this is a family that was treated very well by this country. Rudacabana's younger brother, I'm not going to use the picture of him, I don't think that's fair, but he is disabled. And the British public raised a huge amount of money to help with his disability. I imagine he will have got a huge amount of treatment from the NHS. At the very least, I expect an apology from the Rudacabanas, and I expect an explanation. And by the way, that's at the very least, because to be honest, there may well need to be criminal charges. But isn't it fascinating that we have heard
Starting point is 00:31:18 not a peep, and apparently the family are now on hiding again at taxpayers expense. Let's just be completely charitable for one moment here. Let's assume that the Rudi Kuban family wants to make an apology and wants to come out and disavow the actions of their son and apologise personally to all of the families and the dozens of people, hundreds, thousands of people, millions of people even, that have been affected by this incident. Let's assume they do want to do that. Do we really think this government would allow that? I really don't. I think that this culture of censorship and silencing that has come to characterise Keir Starmer's tenure, I don't think it would allow the family to come out and say anything
Starting point is 00:32:00 because I think they want this to all just go away. I think that they want it to be forgotten about. You know, the news cycle now has moved on and they like it that way. Rudy Cabana's in prison. He's going to be there for at least 52 years. And that's kind of it. And I really think that it's in their interest
Starting point is 00:32:16 that something isn't said. And that I think is really, really depressing in and of itself. But, you know. It is. And of course, so much of this is about the mainstream media guys because look at this uh report about the terrible rape gang in scotland and by the way
Starting point is 00:32:33 i want every single one of the scumbags absolute scumbags in this photo to rot in hell. And let me say that very clearly, first of all. However, I do think it is very interesting, Charlie, that all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the BBC, the British bashing corporation seems to be very interested in covering this particular rape gang as breaking news, having ignored all of the other rape gangs. What's the difference, Charlie? Do they think we're stupid? Well, the whole two-tier thing goes around and I think it's become a little bit of a sensationalised label.
Starting point is 00:33:18 But it's very clear that there is a double standard across the various arms of the power structure that governs Britain. And that doesn't just begin and end with the kind of public facing elected element of government in the commons. That is everything from the civil service to the education system, to the media itself. It doesn't want to admit that the project of multiculturalism has not only failed, but has pretty much destroyed a lot of the social fabric of this country. And so when there is an opportunity to point the finger at a group of white people, quite frankly, a lot of the social fabric of this country. And so when there is an opportunity to point the finger at a group of white people, quite frankly, who are doing the same things,
Starting point is 00:33:50 then they will quite gladly do that. Because to even broach the notion, to even, you know, concede the idea that there are qualitative differences between different groups of people and different cultures is to admit tacitly that multiculturalism was a stupid idea to begin with. Because if we do admit that there are regions of the world, peoples, religions, ideologies, etc., that make places worse when they are allowed to proliferate, then the whole project, the whole notion of bringing in everybody from every corner of the world
Starting point is 00:34:23 is revealed to be a completely, you know, destructive idea. And so, you know, when an excuse does come around to point the finger at some people who are indigenous to this country, I think they will quite happily take it because, you know, that essentially serves to reinforce their narrative. So much easier, isn't it? But look, the great thing is, Peter, we have the independent media. We have social media. Look at this post from Paul Thorpe, which has gone viral over the weekend. I think it made a really fundamentally important point. He wrote, this must never be allowed to go away. After spending seconds in Southport for a photo opportunity, the PM scurried off to attend a party.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Serena Kennedy then misled the public. This is misconduct. This is unacceptable. They should both resign. But perhaps the most striking thing there, Peter, is just a reminder that at that moment, she knew and he knew. And they misled us.
Starting point is 00:35:23 But Keir Stomer looks so sad there. He looks so serious. He's really hurting. And Paul Thorpe does an excellent job. He was on with me a week ago on Hearts Evoked, just to plug that. But you're right that whenever I look at the rape charges and rape sentencing. In Bradford,
Starting point is 00:35:46 on the 17th it was, so 10 days ago, there was a group of men, nine men in Keighley, and one of them was sentenced to three years for rape. Another one was sentenced to 11 years for nine cases of rape.
Starting point is 00:36:04 We simply are failing to address these evils in our society. And we have a judicial system that seems to disregard one of the most callous, one of the most evil parts of society,
Starting point is 00:36:17 which is rape. And that's why only 1.5% of all the allegations that are made by women actually end up in a prosecution. And either Keir Starmer, along with every concerted government, is saying 98.5% of women are lying, or else they're saying we simply do not care
Starting point is 00:36:33 because they could put in the resources to tackle this. And it is a failure of putting the resources where it matters. We have only limited resources, but our governments decide that there are certain crimes that actually are serious and ones that are not. And whether it's an online post,
Starting point is 00:36:52 that is a serious one. If it's rape, then actually that's less serious. And if it's a murder, we'll never find out. And it is sickening that it is all for a photo op um that they turn up for the picture and then disappear and long gone are the days where we had politicians actually had conviction
Starting point is 00:37:13 and it is now about publicity it is all about the news cycle is all about getting your picture in and moving on and sadly that's where we are as a society breaking right now reform uk now top of the national poll average this is a bit of history in the making folks and of course rupert low who some people within trump world believe el Musk is backing to potentially replace Nigel Farage before the next election as leader, has said that this country needs to unleash a wave of punishment measures similar to what Trump just did to Colombia over the weekend. He said, this is the way we must follow, starting with the £133 million going to Pakistan and foreign aid, use that to get foreign rapists and criminals out of our country. So Charlie Downs, this reform UK poll surge is not a surprise in lots of ways. I mean, I certainly predicted it even before the last election.
Starting point is 00:38:29 There was always going to be so much unhappiness about the reality of a socialist hellscape being unleashed by slippery Starmer. However, what's very interesting is this idea that actually Reform UK could sweep this thing. What do you make of it? And also, do you think there are potentially some tensions growing between Farage and Rupert Lowe? Well, there's a number of things to say here. First of all, I agree. I'm not surprised that Reform are absolutely, you know, storming ahead in the polls, because they're really the only, you know, non-establishment option that ising ahead in the polls, because they're really the only, you know, non-establishment option that is actually viable in British politics, because you look at the state of the Conservative Party, and their leadership, and their lack of direction, and their lack of energy and enthusiasm, lack of anything concrete, really. And it's no surprise that people are
Starting point is 00:39:19 flocking to reform. With that being said, you know, I'm a member of the party, I have supported the party for a number of years, which is not to say I haven't been said, you know, I'm a member of the party. I have supported the party for a number of years, which is not to say I haven't been critical of the party, because I think that it is the duty of the party's biggest supporters to point out where they're going wrong. I do think that there needs to be now a conversation about reform transitioning from being a populist party into a party of government. And I'm sure those conversations are happening on the inside. I actually published a video today, which I would encourage viewers to go and watch, talking about the problem with populism, because populism, you know, it's a very effective
Starting point is 00:39:51 rhetorical technique. It's very effective to give the crowd what it wants and to kind of gin them up and all the rest of it. But if that's not followed up with real substantive policy and action, as we're seeing from the Trump administration, then that kind of doesn't really mean anything. So I think that there is a real appetite now for some real some real meat, some real substance from reform, which I'm sure we will get. But until we can hope until the Conservative Party gets its act together, I think we are going to see reform continue to grow. And I think that's great because I think we need to break this kind of two party system that we've had, because there's really a head's breadth that separates the Labour and Conservative parties. I mean, it's just been since Labour took office, a continuation of the same project, the same style of governance,
Starting point is 00:40:32 the same ideas about what good governance looks like. So yeah, I think Britain's ready for something different. And can I just say, can I just say, Charlie, I would be very happy to have Nigel Farage as Prime Minister and Rupert Lowe as home secretary, for example. That would work fine for me, actually. So I think it's important that the party does stay united. But what I do like about Rupert is he is a man of action. And you're right, action here is very important. Now, you raise the prospect of the conservative party being finished certainly Kemi Badenoch has not made an impact I thought she was going to be useless she has been useless there was incredibly embarrassing moment over the weekend where she was asked about why she picked this
Starting point is 00:41:19 battle with Nigel Farage and Reform UK over their membership numbers. Peter McElvina, I'll get you to respond, but first, can we just have a look at Kemi yet again having a car crash moment in the MSM? You accused the Reform Party of exaggerating their membership numbers. How many members does the Conservative Party have now? We do not release our membership numbers. I know what they are. Well, why not?
Starting point is 00:41:44 Because you were happy to have a go at Nigel Farage saying that he had artificially inflated his and then Reform UK took people in to go and look at how many members they have. Wouldn't it make people feel reassured if you were willing to be transparent about your own membership? It's really important that we focus on the things that matter. I made a comment on Boxing Day. It does, but it doesn't matter to people out there. I've been travelling around the country. I was in Devon on Friday. I've been in the Midlands. People are crying out for help. They tell me that they are struggling.
Starting point is 00:42:10 They're not interested in the Westminster bubble gossip of who has more members. I made a comment on Boxing Day and I went back to my Christmas and I actually found it quite funny, the number of people who were spending time on that. Most people were spending time with their families. That's what was important to me. But, Peter, she started it. time on that. Most people are spending time with their families. That's what was important to me.
Starting point is 00:42:26 But Peter, she started it! Look, I remember when I worked in City Hall with the UKIP team there and Kemi did impress me with what she, with her work in City Hall. She was opinionated. She knew
Starting point is 00:42:42 what she stood for, had convictions. That's something that I certainly missed in British politics. So I thought it was really positive whenever she was dropped in that safe seat in Parliament. And I was expecting a lot more. So maybe I had more hope for her, Dan, than you did. But you're right. Don't pick a fight you're not willing to back up. And to attack Nigel and to refuse to back up your corner on figures is horrendous.
Starting point is 00:43:09 And I don't know whether she has got bad advisors. I mean, if you do not make your position in the first 100 days, then you're lost. And as good as I wish Kemi may be, I think she is much more within her. But she's failed. She's passed her 100 days. And that means that she hasn't dissed herself from other failures of 14 years off Tory rule. And she hasn't given an alternative to Keir Starmer. And that's why reform have swooped in. And reform have had a really easy route. Nigel's done exceptionally well, of course, in building reform to where it currently is. But all they've had to say is we are slightly better's the FPU, that's what they have all said in Europe.
Starting point is 00:44:05 And he backed off and said, no, no, that's not part of it. And whenever he was asked about Islam and that clash, how Islam treat women is horrendous, is disgusting. And we let Sharia courts operate in the UK. We let Sharia councils, Sharia finance, all of that happens. And the treatment of women is horrendous. And he was asked about that as he doesn't want to make an enemy of Islam
Starting point is 00:44:28 meaning he doesn't want to speak truth and isn't willing to stand on his feet and what it means to be British and have British values backed by a Christian Judeo underpinning. So I think Reform are aware they are not necessarily
Starting point is 00:44:43 because of their great policies, but they're there because of a weak Conservative Party. And we've got over four years to run. It's irrelevant who leads Labour because if Keir Starmer isn't there, well, we'll have David Lammy, Angela Rayner, and we'll just go from bad to worse. But that's irrelevant because they have got a majority. Or even worse, Sadiq Khan. And look, this really is clown world what is going on with him.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Susan Hall, who ran against Khan as the conservative candidate for the mayoralty, has really been putting him under fire over his total refusal to even acknowledge, even acknowledge the possibility that there are Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in London, which let me assure you, there are. She tried again this week. His response will disgust you. Watch this. Since last week, somebody has actually explained to you what a grooming gang is and how horrific they are. So since somebody now must have told you exactly what they are, are you going to ask that some money is ring-fenced to actually look into that in London? So the next time I ask you about grooming gangs, you can tell me what the Metropolitan Police are doing
Starting point is 00:46:00 about them. Well firstly, it's really important when you have a conversation of this nature you think about the victims of child sexual exploitation. I'm on a clock can you just give the answer will you? Will you make sure some money is ring-fenced to look at this grooming gang problem we have? Yes or no? I'm really surprised that the member doesn't know how operational independence works in our police service in this country. You should never be surprised, Mr Mayor. You're not going to answer. Thank you, Chairman. Just disgusting.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Just utterly appalling, Peter. And I remember when we were in City Hall, we put forward an FOI to every police force across the country and actually to every council in London to ask them about grooming gangs and whether that was an issue for them, whether they have had any engagement, whether there are any
Starting point is 00:46:52 prosecutions and every single one of them says no we have not happening in our borough. Now to say this not happening in every borough in London, 26 boroughs and they don't have a single issue of grooming gangs. I can't accept that. That has to be a lie.
Starting point is 00:47:09 And the anger that Sadiq Khan riles up within me, I have to contain myself because he is despicable. The individual who is supposed to care for Londoners, all he cares about is his DEI policies and is not worried about rape, about knife culture, about gang culture. He actually ignores all of that. And Susan Hall's question was absolutely normal. Put some money ring fence and he refuses to even consider. Well, last week he refused to even
Starting point is 00:47:37 acknowledge what they are. And Charlie, actually just before I get you to weigh in on this, continuing the clown world this weekend was the left-wing commentator, Norinda Kerr. Now, you'll remember that it emerged in these shocking leaked figures from Thames Water that at least one in 12 folk in London are an illegal immigrant. Narendra went to a pub, right? Had a look around and decided that the fact that she could only see white faces, although tellingly, she didn't actually prove that there were only white faces in this pub.
Starting point is 00:48:14 We meant to take her word for it, but that proved that there were just no illegals in London at all. Charlie, have a watch of this and I'll get your response. So I am in a pub in north london it's packed and it's just clear to me my husband that we are the only people of color in this pub which is fine that no one's back and i live but the point being this whole um what the telegraph put out this report that one in 12 in london, I'm in London, I live here, and we're in a pub and it's packed
Starting point is 00:48:46 and everyone in here is white. So, happy London. Charlie, so just no issue, no issue whatsoever because Narendra claims she's in a pub with white people. Yeah, I would cautiously suggest that the asylum seekers, so-called, that come across the channel aren't hanging around in, you know, in the king's head and having a pint of ale. Right. The pub is a distinctly English institution full of distinctly English people for the most part. So, I mean, obviously, this is deeply dishonest. But that clip of Sadiq Khan and Susan Hall going back and forth.
Starting point is 00:49:22 I mean, Peter, I agree with you. I just can't stand the man. I actually was involved in an independent mayor of London campaign last year. It was a lot of fun. And I met Sadiq Khan very briefly. But he is just such an unpleasant individual. Although I've got to say, I mean, Susan Hall was the Conservative candidate for mayor of London last year. And I mean, where was where was this Susan Hall? I mean, she was astonishingly weak when she was going up against Khan on the campaign trail. But now, I mean, she's given it both barrels. It's actually quite impressive and commendable to see. But, you know, I mean, I think every now and then in public life, there are these figures that emerge that kind of they embody a certain aspect of the current sort of political or cultural paradigm that we live in. And Sadiq Khan is one such figure. He will be remembered as being a kind of totemic figure when this period of history is reported in 200, 300 years time, because he embodies almost everything that's wrong with Britain in the 21st century. He is an immigrant. He is someone who is here as a guest. He is here
Starting point is 00:50:24 because of the good nature of the British people who have seen fit to allow in an enormous number of people from all over the world. And what does he do with that generosity? Well, he decries British and English identity. He suggests that the British are not a people at all and that Britishness is simply an idea. It's simply a set of values. He says that, you know, diversity, so-called, is what makes London great and is not. I mean, you know, let's say, for example, the hundreds, thousands of years of history of people who broke their backs working to build up that city and the culture in it. He, you know, this is to mention nothing of the rates of murder and rape and burglary and assault that go uninvestigated under his watch in London. The Metropolitan Police is not fit for purpose anymore. London is an astonishingly dangerous city.
Starting point is 00:51:13 It's not somewhere that I would want to live. I'm fortunate enough to not live there. It's not somewhere that I'd want to raise a family. It's not somewhere that I'd want my, you know, my fiance walking by herself at night. And that's all because of his mismanagement. Totally. Totally. Absolutely. He has single-handedly destroyed the world's greatest city.
Starting point is 00:51:33 I was walking down Oxford Street in London on Saturday and all I could think was, it just feels like I'm about to be mugged or be stabbed. In all seriousness, that is how you feel now because London is just such a hellhole and it is so unsafe and that is literally down to one man boris johnson did a good job as london mayor but look charlie and peter stand by big developments on two of these witch hunts that's my description me too witch hunts against russell brand and noel Huge bombshell in the Noel Clark case versus The Guardian. And Russell Brand has spoken out for the first time in a very, very long time about the investigation into him. those things straight after this in just one moment. So don't go anywhere. But first, I know the reason you're watching this show is because you know that these days it's almost impossible
Starting point is 00:52:29 to trust the mainstream media or the so-called fact checkers who claim to patrol social media. And there's a very good reason for that, right? Think about it. Brexit, COVID, Donald Trump, they got it all wrong. So I've got the solution. Today's sponsor, Ground News, is the only safe way to consume the headlines. And you can go to ground.news forward slash outspoken to check it out for yourself. But what I want to actually do is show you this website and app in action. So let's look at the recent story about Elon Musk falling out with Nigel Farage. It was over Tommy Robinson, of course, and the legacy media wanted to whip up the story to destroy all three men. But you can see here on Ground News that they have collated the 230 sources in one place. Then it instantly
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Starting point is 00:55:45 of these stories. When it came to Noel Clarke, The Guardian launched simply a witch hunt against him. It was based on no real evidence, but it totally destroyed his career. And I've got to know Noel, and I know that what was claimed was completely untrue and unfair. So I'm going to come to that big revelation shortly. But first, Russell Brand has spoken in some detail on his own platform for the first time since it emerged that the so-called claims against him were to be handed to the CPS. Now you'll remember Channel 4 and the Times worked in conjunction with the Metropolitan Police to hunt high and low for any woman who was prepared to say Russell Brandt had done something wrong to them. Now as he points out there was a real motivation behind this and I think it is worth hearing from Russell directly.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Watch. For years, my promiscuity was exploitative. As a famous rich dude, sleeping around, having sex in bathrooms, sleeping with multiple people at once, using the fact that I had massive access to having sex with strangers and was doing it, that's pretty crazy and excessive. And there's no question that that is sinful, broken behaviour that hurts people.
Starting point is 00:57:10 And I beg for forgiveness, and I'm given forgiveness, and I beg for salvation. But what happened in this weird liminal space is that behaviour got metastasised and reformed retrospectively into criminal conduct by competing media companies, working with groups like Logically and Crisp, working with legacy media companies,
Starting point is 00:57:31 collaborating in an unprecedented way in order to go back to, for years and years, talk to people like, have you got a story about Russell Brand? What about that? Well, other people have bravely come forward. What if we shift that? What if we shift this a little bit? What if we tweak that? Now it goes from this a little bit? What if we tweak that?
Starting point is 00:57:45 Now it goes from instead of being a heel and a fool and greedy and in some aspects of the code, a playboy, a womanizer, a gadabout, a player. Suddenly it was reformed into, no, this guy's not like all those other famous womanizers that we know are out there that sometimes have to put out injunctions, that sometimes have to pay lawyers a lot of money to keep stories quiet.
Starting point is 00:58:10 No, you're in this different category here, all of a sudden, of the most appalling criminals known. All the while, in my country now, there's this explosion that there are actual grooming gangs that are raping and abusing little girls and young women at an almost institutional and inconceivable level and it appears that the media and government have repressed and ignored those stories for reasons that I find difficult to understand but they're sort of a loose way of describing it. Peter McIlvenna and Charlie Downs join me now. Peter Russell has a real argument here, doesn't he? Because the mainstream media covered these allegations
Starting point is 00:58:56 against him far more than they ever did the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. It was a witch hunt. He absolutely was not a perfect man. He has admitted that. However, his behavior, as far as I could tell, was certainly not criminal. Obviously, it will be tested in court, but he has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But at the time of these actions, the mainstream media was celebrating him. He was a Lothario. He was the son's shagger of the year. I'm really conflated over Russell Brand. I really am. And I hope and pray that his conversion, his change is true.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I hope he has left that lifestyle behind. And I do hope he's a Christian because his level of profile can be a very positive thing for society and not what he used that for before. So we can all change. Look, as a Christian, that's the Christian message that you can change. No matter what your past is, you can leave that behind and you can be a new person in Christ. So I hope, really hope that's true. But I kind of can't get away from remembering who he was like and what he was like and really not liking him as an individual. That could be because he was on the different side of the political spectrum.
Starting point is 01:00:26 But even if what he didn't do was illegal, you kind of, if that's how you're going to live, then you can't complain when that comes back at you. I mean, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. And if that is your lifestyle, if anything goes of utter perversion, then you cannot complain if that comes back to haunt you. So I don't know whether
Starting point is 01:00:46 he will have to pay a price for that because it doesn't matter if you have changed individually, if you've turned over a new leaf, you still have to make recompense and you still have to do right for what you've done in the past and you can't run away from that.
Starting point is 01:01:04 But you're right, the media have targeted him in a way that others have not been targeted because he's high profile. He sells papers. And this is all about publicity for the media. And it is not about justice. So I'm really torn. I really am.
Starting point is 01:01:18 And as much as I don't believe that his new conversion is true, I hope I am proved wrong. Charlie, what is interesting when it comes to Brand, though, is that it's indisputable that the mainstream media only targeted him once he was questioning the COVID narrative, once he was questioning the Ukraine narrative, once he was questioning the big pharma narrative. I mean, that is a fact. Before that, he was questioning the Ukraine narrative, once he was questioning the big pharma narrative. I mean, that is a fact.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Before that, he was their hero. When he was supporting Ed Miliband and Owen Jones, they loved the guy. I actually think there is a real lesson in this story because like Peter, I too am somewhat sceptical of brand. I'm not given to sort of giving entertainment industry types the benefit of the doubt, quite frankly. And as much as the kind of Me Too stuff has absolutely in the past been used to defame and destroy the lives of men who are completely innocent. I mean, I think of the case, for example, of Emma Sulkowicz, the so-called mattress girl. I don't know if you remember that about 10 years ago, this girl ran a sustained campaign against this guy that she was
Starting point is 01:02:27 just annoyed with because he wouldn't be her boyfriend. And certainly the Noel Clarke case that we're going to come to shortly. Indeed. That is absolutely a witch hunt. But with that being said, I mean, there are still legitimate cases in the entertainment industry in particular of just the exploitation and assault of the most gruesome type um and i think that what this tells us is that our leaders political cultural etc our thought leaders shouldn't be people who are compromised and i think that this is something that's only going to become more and more evident as time goes by as real dissident radical movements continue to emerge, certainly in Britain. I think we need leaders who are genuinely, morally, personally sound, you know, and I don't think that's too much to ask for. But with that being said, I mean, you know, as well as I do, Dan,
Starting point is 01:03:16 the culture in the media and political industries, the drugs, the sex, the parties, all of it. I mean, it's a disgusting, dirty hive of scum and villainy. And I think that's concerning because it does mean that figures like Russell Brand, who has legitimately spoken the truth, as you said, when it comes to things like the COVID narrative, is so easily taken down or attacked or otherwise compromised. And I think that, you know, there's a lesson there. No, indeed. Indeed, there is. I just think the targeting of brand was totally political. And that was very transparent because other people who have got away with that in. Trust me, they are going to end up paying Noel Clarke a lot of money. Look at this revelation from the Mail on Sunday at the weekend. A woman the Guardian newspaper alleges was groped by actor Noel Clarke has denied being assaulted by him in
Starting point is 01:04:14 evidence given on his behalf for a libel trial. So the Guardian didn't get this one right. And the problem is, and again, Peter, we'll go through all of this evidence much closer to the time. However, the Guardian were so desperate to try and cancel Noel Clarke that what it meant is very often these allegations simply didn't happen. And how embarrassing for them, how mortifying for them that a woman who they claimed was groped by Noel Clarke is going to be giving evidence on Noel Clarke's behalf saying, sorry, didn't happen. And this is why you have to be careful with trial by media. It is the danger of rushing to be an exclusive to get there first. And if you're wrong, these organisations, these media outlets, they can publish an apology on page 30
Starting point is 01:05:09 that no one will ever see. And they have deeper pockets than individuals and therefore they can fight that through the legal system. So it's not a level playing field. And this is all, whenever our government
Starting point is 01:05:21 talks about misinformation online, they don't talk and point the figure at the legacy media who really participate in misinformation to the nth degree just to sell papers. It's about advertising. And there's very little constraints on them. It's normally a slap over the wrist. And these organisations, these media outlets,
Starting point is 01:05:42 can afford to pay some legal costs because they make up their money elsewhere. So there's no incentive for them to speak truth. The only incentive for them is publicity and sales and clicks. That is their incentive. So it is infuriating whenever the government point the finger at alternative media and social media as the problem.
Starting point is 01:06:04 Actually, often the problem is in the legacy media. Very good point. Very good point, Peter. Charlie, let me just take you through just a couple of the specifics here because it truly is astonishing, right? So in legal papers that were filed by the Guardian newspaper, it is alleged that a woman called Freya, but that wasn't her real name, was assaulted by Clark at a wrap party for the film The Knot in 2012. The newspaper claimed Clark went up alongside her and groped her from behind through her dress in between her legs without her consent. But during this pre-trial hearing, which was at the High Court last week,
Starting point is 01:06:43 Clark's legal team said Freya was one of three people who feature in the Guardian's defense who are actually giving evidence in support of Clarke. So the other two are an actor who is alleged to have sent Clarke a sex video that Clarke is alleged to have shown a female actress and an actress who was said to have been directed by Clarke to kiss a fellow actress. And the thing is, Charlie, and again, much more of this will come out in court, and I have followed this case very, very closely, but it was the Guardian's absolute desperate desire to cancel Noel Clarke that meant that they engaged in a witch hunt rather than following the truth. You know, the police didn't even look at this, that there was nothing there,
Starting point is 01:07:23 and Noel Clarke still cannot work today because the woke entertainment industry has cancelled him now this was a guy who used to be a hero of the left he was pretty much outside of of idris elba held up as the most famous black actor in britain a working class kid done good so I just think these trials by media have to stop. I agree. I think the trial by media thing is a travesty. And I think what we forget, by the way, is that, you know, you go on the Guardian's website and you'll immediately be harassed to donate to them. Whenever you go on there, it's, oh, we're completely funded by our readers, send us a fiver, et cetera, so that we can keep fighting the good fight for you um people don't realize that the guardian has a trust fund of
Starting point is 01:08:09 billions of pounds behind them they are a state adjacent media outlet read by all of the most powerful people in britain so they're not going anywhere they might as well be they are effectively structurally exactly the same as the bbc they are a mouthpiece of the state so this needs to be thought of as being an arm of the state going after a ordinary citizen. Now, with that being said, again, I'm not sort of I'm not prepared to to give entertainment industry people the benefit of the doubt. I'm perfectly prepared to believe that this guy is innocent because, you know, by the sounds of this case, they've really made a hash of it. He's raised his, I think he's suing them for defamation for
Starting point is 01:08:47 two to seven million pounds, which I mean, to you and me, that's a hell of a figure. But to the Guardian, that's a drop in the bucket, unfortunately. And I think that really is the lesson that we need to take away here is that these organisations like the Guardian, it's actually very difficult to hold them to account when they do things like this, because they have so much money, power, connections behind them, that it's to take them down and to truly do damage to them, despite the fact that they have a waning readership, is actually very difficult. Which then, you know, I think brings us back to the importance of alternative media. And this is something that, you know, something I, this is something the three of us here today all are contributing to um you know we are building this alternative infrastructure for people to actually get real information and actual truth that hasn't gone through hasn't passed through the filter of kind
Starting point is 01:09:34 of state censorship ultimately very very good point and obviously everyone should follow charlie downs on x because you are doing great work there, Charlie, in the independent media space. But we love having you part of Outspoken too. And thank you so much to Peter McElvenna, our fabulous superstar panel today. But this is very exciting. This is very exciting. If you've just tuned in at the start of the show,
Starting point is 01:10:02 I revealed that I am bringing back Greatest Britain and Union Jackass every single day. So you've got to hang around to the end of the show to see who the winners are. Of course, the nominees for our very first edition, dominated by the Labour Party. Sipri Starmer, dominated by Mark because he has renamed HMS Agincourt to HMS Achilles, so not to offend the French. Rachel Reeves, nominated by 11B for Cracking the Economy. And Ed Miliband, nominated by Stevie for that Heathrow third runway U-turn. But guys, the first vote was overwhelming.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Perhaps this one wasn't too difficult. 10% of you going for Rachel Reeves, 17% of you going for Mad Miliband, but 73% for our very first union jackass here on Outspoken. Of course, it's got to be Keir Starmer. And today's Greatest Britain, only one choice. The surviving Auschwitz heroes. 80 years since that death camp was liberated. I just always find it so sad to think that we are losing the greatest generation and you would have seen king charles there with some of those surviving archwish heroes and we will be discussing in our uncancelled after show with the royal news network in just a moment exactly what went down. But lots to
Starting point is 01:11:46 discuss today though as well. We're going to do it over on Substack of course. Piers Morgan has threatened a boxing match with Hugh Grant over the Prince Harry court case and those Obama rumors grow. So you know it's very important to me that we have a safe space not patrolled by big tech. So we're going to do the after show. We stream it live daily and on demand on Substack. Just visit www.outspoken.live. Enter your email address. Click subscribe. You can do so completely for free.
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