Dan Wootton Outspoken - STARMER SCANDAL BOMBSHELL: THE SUN WAS INVESTIGATING MARRIAGE JUST BEFORE IT ENDORSED HIM

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

Dan will reveal that The Sun was investigating Two Tier Keir’s marriage just months before the newspaper endorsed Labour Then a pre-election deal between News Corporation and the now-PM saw him agree to drop plans for part two of Leveson Inquiry Meanwhile, Isabel Oakeshott has provided further details about the Starmer Scandal and suggested she may release new information in the coming days. In his Digest, Dan will explain how the MSM cover up surrounding the true shape of Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s family and the state of his marriage is growing by the day. Then his guests – Jennifer Acuri and Lance Forman – weigh in. PLUS: Has the Stop Kemi campaign worked? AND: The secrets of Prince Harry’s UK visit with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wotton. This is Outspoken Live episode number 63. And please click to subscribe to this brand new independent news source and turn on the notification bell so you'll be alerted to our brand new live shows, uncancelled interviews and special royal episodes. Big news too, Outspoken now available as a podcast so you can listen to the show every weekday on the go wherever you are. Subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you happen to get your podcasts. And I've put some of the links in the show notes below. Today, the Starmer scandal MSM cover-up grows. I can reveal The Sun was investigating two tear-cares marriage just months before the newspaper endorsed Labour. Then a pre-election deal between

News Corporation and the Now PM saw him agree to drop plans for part two of the Leveson inquiry. This is becoming a big scandal. The MSM is ignoring it. I won't. Meanwhile, Isabel Oakeshott has provided further details about the Starmer scandal and suggested she may release new information in the coming days. And I know that there have been at least one or two occasions when publications have been close to revealing something, but they just haven't been able to, as we say in journalism, stand it up. Didn't really have the full evidence. So that's why there's nothing in the public domain. I do have a few more details and I may put some more in the public domain in coming days if it feels appropriate to do so. So in my digest, I will explain how the MSM cover

up surrounding the true shape of Prime Minister Keir Starmer's family and the state of his marriage is emerging by the day. Then my guests Jennifer Akuri and Lance Foreman weigh in. Also coming up on the show, has the Stop Kemi campaign worked? This is not a controversial statement, but thank you. Has the maternity route damaged you, Kemi? I don't know what maternity route you're talking about. I have given a statement and said that maternity pay is important. If people want to have a confected row, they are well within their rights to do that. Plus, our Royal Mastermind returns with the latest on Prince Harry's London visit. Angela Levin, she has all the secrets as usual.

Then in the Uncancelled After Show, much more royal news from Angela. And you can register to watch on our own website right now, www.outspoken.live. It is a safe space, free of censorship and your support at just £5 a month gives you 30 minutes of extra content every single weekday after the main show. Let's go. The MSM cover-up surrounding the true shape of Prime Minister Keir Starmer's family and the state of his marriage is growing by the day. After I revealed details of the story that Westminster journalists and insiders have been discussing for months in private yesterday while concealing details from their viewers and readers, there has been a flurry of new information.

So you remember I told you how Lord Ashcroft, the Tory pair and former Deputy Chairman of the party, had tried to reveal details of Starmer's big secret in his biography of both the Labour leader and his deputy, Angela Rayner? Well, just hours after my broadcast, he posted a personal message to Starmer on X, writing, To Keir Starmer, as you know, I'm updating your biography, Red Night, to be released next spring. It will address Labour's manifesto and promises after six months in office. I am struggling to keep up with all the revelations and would ask you to pause for a few weeks to let me catch up. Thank you. After that, I learned that The Sun, a newspaper that inexplicably endorsed Labour at the last

election, had been investigating Starmer's marriage in the months before they decided to back him. This is what a source at the newspaper has revealed to me. They said, We have been looking into the story that Lady Victoria Starmer was very unhappy and that the couple were effectively living separate lives. The rumours about why they had actually dated back many months. But it's very hard to get anything considered private over the line at a national newspaper these days, even with someone wanting to be prime minister. And in fairness, while we were looking into the rumours, which were widely accepted as fact within Westminster, there was no solid evidence. In the build-up to the election, the suggestion was Lady Victoria wasn't doing the doting wife routine because she was unhappy with care. She had made

it clear she didn't want to pose for the cameras. But what's interesting here is that when the disappearing Victoria narrative began to take hold during the election campaign, there was a sudden U-turn. So it started with that loved up Instagram post of the couple at a Taylor Swift concert. So I'm told Starmer's team had decided their explanation that his wife was helping their son study for his GCSEs, the same excuse used in the last week, by the way, as to why the family moved out of their home to Lord Ali's luxury penthouse, just wasn't flying. My son insider added, all of a sudden, she put on Lord Ali's dresses and was smiling sweetly for the camera. Everyone knew something had changed. The problem for The Sun, however, or maybe it's now departed associate editor and political columnist Trevor Kavanagh, because they have never forgotten Starmer's vengeance-fuelled persecution of the newspaper's journalist while he was director of public prosecutions.

Such an astonishing deal, which left executives at News Corporation torn for many weeks, was only secured after the editor Victoria Newton, who, to be frank, is a Starmer fangirl, received a cast-iron guarantee that any Labour government would not launch part two of the Leveson inquiry into the conduct of the British press. Starmer readily agreed to that request, which he later confirmed publicly in return for the Sun's front page endorsement. That was an obvious betrayal to the publication's anti-woke, working class readership. Now, no one, aside from top News Corporation executives, including Rebecca Brooks, knows the details of the exact conversations that went on. But once the endorsement was secured, it seemed impossible that The Sun would continue digging into Starmer's big secret. And this is the big problem. With an MSM that is controlled by billionaires and shady interests,

they will never put you first. The political journalist Isabel Oakeshott does though and she has revealed new information today on her brilliant independent sub stack which is called Inside the Right. And as long as they're not pretending to be something that they're not and I think that is the crunch of the problem for Sakhir Starmer. It'sr holl beth hwnnw o, a yw'n ei fod yn ei ddweud ei fod? A yw'n ei fod wedi'i ddangos ei hun i ni? Neu, a yw yna rhyw fath o ffraud yn digwydd yma? Ffraud yn cael ei ddefnyddio ar y cyflogwr ac nid yw wedi helpu ei hun gyda'r math hwnnw o ymdrech y byddai yn ei ffwrdd ei hun neu sw ei hun pan oedd yn ffaith ei fod yn ffilmio yn adeilad Lord Ali. Dwi'n credu, mae'n mynd i lawer o amser i'w gwneud yn debyg ei fod yn rhywbeth nad oedd.

Ac rwy'n credu bod pobl yn teimlo'n ymddygiadol ychydig am hynny ac yn meddwl, wel, os yw'n ymdrech am hynny, beth arall yw'n ei gwneud? Felly, beth y gallaf ddweud yw, ac mae'n ymwneud â'r hyn a ddweud ar Mike, yw bod yna ddigon o adnoddau o ran y lles o'r teulu o'r cefnogion o'r teulu'r Starmers Secure. Ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn bwysig ar hyn o bryd i arbennig And I think it's important at this point to emphasise that really up until recently, it's hard to come up with a public interest defence for going any further on this. Isabel did shoot down internet rumours, however, that Starmer is gay. But nonetheless, some people have not seemed to have listened to it properly. I was not

saying that or implying that the Prime Minister is secretly gay. There's been an awful lot of that on social media, some of it pretty distasteful I have to say, and I was really quite clear when I was talking to Mike that that is not what I was suggesting. What I roeddwn i'n siarad â Mike nad yw hynny'n beth roeddwn i'n ei ddychrych. Roeddwn i'n dweud bod llawr oedd yna farn o bywyd prifatriaeth Sir Keir Starmer, farn o ddiffynol gwyrdd. Ac nid wyf wedi bod yn hoffi'r holl beth hwn lle mae llawer o gyfranogwyr a chyhoeddwyr sy'n yn y gwybod ac maent yn glwb da a dydyn nhw ddim yn dweud unrhyw un arall ac mae hollbwysig iawn. Yn ymwneud â'r ysgol, yn ymwneud â'r cymdeithaswyr yn y gwybod, ac maen nhw mewn clwb da, ac nid ydyn nhw'n dweud unrhyw beth arall. Ac mae'n eithaf cyffredinol.

Yn ymwneud â ni, yn ymwneud â ni, a chi ddim yn ymwybodol, a chi i ofyn cwestiynau ac ati. Felly mae fy nghymddygiad i bob amser yn rhoi pethau allan, os gallaf. Ond yn unig, mae yna gyfranogadau cyffwy cyfnod pan oedd y cyhoeddion wedi bod yn ymlaen i ddatblygu rhywbeth ond nid yw'n gallu, fel rydyn ni'n dweud yn y diwylliant, ddychmygu. Nid oedd gennym y cymaint o ddyluniad. Felly dyna pam nad oes rhywbeth yn y cymorthgell yn ystod ei gilydd. Nid oedd gen i'r holl ddawd. Felly, dyna pam nad oes unrhyw beth yn y cyfran cyhoeddus. Mae gen i ychydig mwy o adnoddau ac efallai y byddaf yn rhoi rhai mwy mewn y cyfran cyhoeddus yn y diwrnodau nesaf os ydy'n teimlo'n dderbynol i wneud hynny. with Starman. So I do understand there is the issue of lawfare, which is maybe putting some people off covering it.

But of course in reality this story is now only being discussed because Starmer has allowed his personal life to become fair game after accepting tens of thousands of pounds in donations from Lord Ali including for his wife's designer clothes and luxury accommodation for his teenage son to study for his GCSEs. No one gifts that sort of money for years for completely altruistic reasons. Now, I've been very honest with you about this story, and yesterday I did openly question whether it is any of our business if the Prime Minister has had an affair or what the real shape of his family is. Over 25,000 of you voted in my poll. The question being, does the public have a right to know about Prime Minister Keir Starmer's private life? The result was overwhelming. 86% of you say yes, just 14% of you say no.

And I think it's important, actually, that I share what some of the outspoken family had to say about this issue. So Teresa Pears wrote to me to say, After the way Labour carried on about the Conservatives and Boris Johnson's private life, yes, he deserves the same scrutiny and so does Angela Rayner. She's not exactly Snow White. Lena Soad said, He is a public figure. He represents the nation.

Therefore, we have a right to know what he's hiding. After all, he wants greater access to our private lives and greater control over us. That is a great point. Christine Wilkinson said, he wants to tell us how to heat our homes, what car to drive, whether we can smoke in a beer garden, what is in our bank account, how to spend our money or rather take what money we have. So yes, I think we do have a right to know things about his private life, especially if he is telling us one thing, but living an entirely different life. Chopo said the answer should be no, but Labour set the standards when in opposition, so tough. And I can't wait to see him squirm and listen to the laughable spin his party comes out with to limit the damage and Fiona P said only

and only when it affects the UK's well-being apart from that people shouldn't be sticking their nose in everyone's business and that means the Prime Minister as well but Lynn Green countered that by saying, if he has a secret that leaves him open to blackmail, then that could lead to corruption. Given his position in government, that could impact on the future financial situation in this country or it could jeopardise the security of this country. So the truth must be told.

So there you go. A wide range of views, but 86% of the outspoken audience saying, no, no, no, no, this story is in the public interest. I think what I can't stand most is the corrupt and captured MSM taking their readers and viewers for fools by constantly concealing information for political reasons. When as one of our viewers just said, they all considered Boris Johnson's personal life to be totally fair game. So let me put this question to the mainstream media. What is

different here? And now let me bring in today's outsider. And I'm absolutely delighted to be joined from the US today by the political strategist, social commentator and so much more, Jennifer Arcuri. Now, you will remember that Jennifer had her personal life dragged through the mud, as did Boris Johnson after allegations of an affair with the then London mayor. And Jennifer, I really wanted to speak to you on this today. It's so great to see you, by the way. But it makes me angry the fact that you were dragged through the mud. Boris Johnson was dragged through the mud.

I don't give a damn what you were doing consensually, if I'm completely honest. I don't give a damn but you had every single detail splashed all over the newspapers covered in tv documentaries and does this not just expose the complete rank hypocrisy from our mainstream media absolutely and what do you think is going on well i i hi can you hear me okay? Yes, can hear you loud and clear. You go, Jennifer.

All right, perfect. So, you know, I guess when they came to the story of me, you know, they had to contrive and manufacture a complete scandal. It was absolutely ridiculous. And, you know, they had to hunt me down across two countries, five states. And when I didn't speak, they wrote quotes as me trying to, you know, manufacture something that didn't exist. Johnson, and yet introduced me to the public as some bimbo on the side that tried to run off with taxpayer dollars. It's absolutely absurd what they write. And so for everyone now that still questions, why do I speak out the way I do? You know, what's my agenda? Well, I was introduced to the public in a complete garbage dump story, cringe news headlines, absolute lies and deceptions.

And I found it appalling that they decided to speak for me. They decided to discredit and debunk me and introduce me to the public as somebody I wasn't. So now, of course, I'm going to speak out. And of course, I'm going to call the hypocrisy on this. You know, what is it that's so, you know, worth hiding? Why are they creating such, you know, a muster around this? Is this another manufactured story, you know, or is there something more here? And as I said to you earlier, I believe there's definitely something very sinister going on, which is why I think whoever does have this story will wait till the opportune moment to make sure that they do the most damage because it's inevitable. It will come out, you know, whatever this is. So you think something sinister is going on, Jennifer? Why do you feel that?

I mean, I think you're right. I mean, I just look. Boris Johnson is is annoying. He's a headache. He's emotionally weak. He's easy to be controlled and can absolutely be compromised, just like the rest of them. And as you mentioned earlier, this point on blackmail, you know, the leverage behind closed doors that can equally lead to corruption. And I think here Starmer is just as equally guilty and, you know, has a legacy, you know, of these kind of whispers and kind of dodgy deal. I mean, a lot of the stuff he's done is very questionable. I mean, there's he's got an entire legacy of it. And so I think it's it's only natural, the public questions. Who is this guy really? What is there that is so damning that can't be spoken about? Because I'll tell you, they really went the extra mile. And this is not to defend Boris Johnson and his craziness, but they went out of their way to destroy my character.

That was an assassination attempt, which is why I feel like I can't stay quiet. I'm going to continue to speak out because people deserve the truth. I completely agree. I completely agree. And they did absolutely not stop until Boris Johnson was destroyed and out of power and

unfortunately for you Jennifer you were just viewed as collateral damage by the mainstream media and why this is so serious and I think it is really important that we contextualize this Jennifer because we are very aligned when it comes to what's happening in terms of the globalists who are trying to take away sovereignty from countries like the UK and the US. And why this is so serious is that we saw during the pandemic just how dangerous that can be. Now, if Starmer is working in lockstep with the mainstream media, which has a globalist agenda, then he's not putting the country first. It matters. His relationships with the media matters. And if he feels like he has to keep them on side at all times so that they don't drop a bomb about his personal life, then I'm sorry he is conflicted

as prime minister. Absolutely. And he's already told the public who he serves. Devils. His interest is not in the people. I mean, this man is, how many ways can a guy be sold? I mean, and you see the infiltration. He's not the only one. And that's why people who scream, oh, it's the Tories. Oh, it's labor. I mean, it doesn't matter. They've infiltrated both sides and they're able to keep these men under control like little puppets on a string. So it is, it is now so in the public's face, you know, they can't hide it anymore. And the public are now naturally asking questions. What is going on? Why is it that every single politician lies to get into this position of power, and then they

have to stay, you know, loyal to the puppet masters with whom they serve, because their legacy and hidden history is so tarnishing, so bad. You know, is it just coincidence that every single one of these guys has got, you know, mega skeletons in their closet? I mean, how many times do we have to keep seeing these dirty, you know, politicians come out and try to, you know, keep their dirty laundry under wraps. Why is that? And meanwhile, with both of us, we know how false allegations can be used to try and destroy someone's reputation too. So this is why it's so difficult.

But if you look at Keir Starmer, for example, on the plane when he was traveling to Washington, D.C., that is a man who is in bed, not literally, but metaphorically with the mainstream media. They are his mates. So they are all looking after the same master, aren't they? Well, I think that they will serve whom controls them behind the scenes. So the media has to keep things under wraps and under control. So they'll keep, I mean, Boris Johnson got equally, it was attacked, you know, for being the Teflon guy that everything, you know, that he had this way with the media. And eventually it came, it came for him. And so I think it's only a matter of time here. He can play best mates with all the media for as long as it takes. But I think, you know, people like you and everybody else that has an audience that is speaking out, you know, inevitably, we will get to the bottom of this. We're going to find out, I mean, how many secrets can they hide from leader after leader after

leader? And there is a point there of the blackmail. I don't think anybody really cares about whether he's gay. And I don't, you know, the idea of another scandal, you know, with a secret lover or something. I, you know, I think Isabel was right to point out that that's not necessarily the big shock here. There's that's why I mentioned the sinister. There's something else that petrifies them, that keeps this story and this man's skeleton so under lock, you know, in a compartment. And only eventually that key will open that and then those will, you know, come out and ultimately hang him. I mean, how long will it be before he resigns or he's overthrown and told to leave? That's my question. Which means the globalists maintain control, don't they? And that is what

they want. Because we have now seen three, well, we saw both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, democratically elected prime ministers, deposed by globalists. And I guess maybe they are waiting to see how Starmer goes before they press the button and say, we're ejecting you next. But Jennifer, can I just talk about the toll of what happens to you when the mainstream media turns? I mean, I know exactly what it's like, but you've also gone through that. How did it impact your life? Well, I think, you know, where it really hit was my business. I mean, you know, it cost me an acquisition. They made up false allegations about my company and what we were deserving of. They also told the public we received a grant we never received and then, you know, failed to mention that they actually wanted to fund us because we were very good at placing people into cybersecurity positions. So I, you know,

was running a very successful company. And I think that threatened them. You know, the fact that I was able to, you know, come over to the UK and meet not just Boris Johnson, but across the board from Cheltenham on down, Metropolitan Police, National Crimes Agency, all these people from all the parties, they all spoke at my events. And they were, you know, I was invited across the board to establishment events, palace parties, you know, all the little after groupie parties they go, you know, they have at conferences. I mean, I saw it all. And I think that really threatened the establishment because I wasn't controlled. In fact, one of the things that civil servants often moaned about was that I never went up their food chain. I didn't play by their, you know, traditional rules of asking permission. I was often very flamboyant. And, you know, when I

was pushing my events or building something, you know, I got a lot of people involved and got a lot of attention and they didn't like that. Naturally, Boris Johnson wanted to be involved. You know, I did a lot of good in the UK tech scene. So that really took its toll because I don't like being the pariah. I actually did a lot for the UK and raised a lot of funding and brought a lot of investment over with the work that I did with London and Partners. And they fried London and Partners like they were guilty for giving me some kind of favoritism. They failed to mention how my events brought in so many reviews and interests. And we were at the Houses of Parliament. We were at BAFTA. You know, I was

able to get access to things because a lot of people liked the work I did. And they gave it all to Boris Johnson, like he had anything to do with any of that. So exactly. So what happens in a situation like that, and I experienced the same thing, is you are thrust out of the mainstream. You're effectively cancelled. But I guess what is positive, Jennifer, is that compared to five, ten years ago, we maintain a voice. The public are waking up. They know that they can't trust what's in the mainstream media. And there is the chance for genuine change here because people like me, people like you, we will hold Starmer to account. But also, and this is as critical, we will hold the mainstream media to account because they are the bad actors in this. And very often they are behind the conspiracies that go on. We hold a power to account. We're no longer afraid of that power. When those bullies come out and

they want to silence you with their lawsuits because they can run stories in the evening standard and get everybody to call you and try to get you fearful enough, we stand our ground. We never give in and never give up. And that's what you do when these bullies come at you. You stand up. You don't go away and cry. I mean, I get accused for having my 15 minutes of fame. What am I still doing here? No, the media had their 15 minutes of fame. They ran their stories. They were all a bunch of garbage. This girl's going to continue to speak out. I know all the corruption. I've seen it firsthand. I was at their parties. I went to their events. I met these men. I know how they work. So like you, I'm going to be able and I'm going to be proud in it to speak out as long as I can. I want to come back to the UK. I don't want to be threatened with being arrested, you know, and thrown in jail. I don't want to be hunted down by Sadiq Khan, who ultimately was behind this ridiculous time story, Once Upon a Time. I mean, all these kind of rumors and things, this vengefulness, this was all threatened

insecurities. I find these people so low. They're bottom feeders. Enough of this. They can't even stand up to the flow. Totally. And you cannot let yourself be canceled. That's fundamentally what it's about. And that's exactly a decision that I had to make over the past year. Just finally, Jennifer, Boris Johnson's book is coming out, I think, at the weekend or in the next few days. It's currently being serialised by the Daily Mail. Are you concerned at all? Have you had any heads up? Have you heard from him? Or are you expecting not to be covered in the book? I mean, look, I don't actually believe that man that I knew is the same man that's still around. So I'm not sure what exactly is going to be allowed to be covered or written about.

I'm still waiting for that Shakespeare book that he was meant to write years back. But I think the timing of the book is really what's interesting here, whether I'm in it, whatever, it's irrelevant. But, you know, and I think because I believe that he is going to be brought back at some point. He's got another role to play in this for his due diligence on this global stage. And again, following that globalist record, they'll pull him out, bring him off stage left, I said, you know, I always talk about and they'll bring them back. And I think that's what that book is doing is this kind of resurrection, you know, bringing him back into the public eye. You know, we whitewashed his sins, we we called out all his

errors for that series that came out last year, you know, in the spring, the rise and fall of Boris Johnson that ran. And, you know, everybody talked about, you know, what he did wrong. So we've all acknowledged it. Now we're going to get his book where it brings him back into the public. So expect more of that, man. That's all I'm saying. I mean, the timing of this book release amongst all these rumors about here, I mean, nothing's impossible. Nothing's off the table. That's, that's kind of how these rumors about here. I mean, nothing's impossible. Nothing's off the table. That's kind of how I feel about it. No, I think you're completely right. And Jennifer, look, we've got to keep on calling out this hypocrisy. The MSM tried to destroy you.

They tried to destroy me. But actually, we fight on and we fight on independently because now we can call out what we see this corruption so it's absolutely brilliant to have you on outspoken today thank you very much for all that you do keep going we're gonna we're gonna beat them thank you jennifer god i hope so we will and now time for today's uncancelled interview and i'm absolutely delighted to be joined by former london mep entrepreneur businessman extraordinaire you know foreman salmon right best in the country but critically conservative party supporter who has just decided to back Kemi Badenoch. So we'll talk about what went down at Tory party conference in just one moment.

But first, Lance Foreman, so brilliant to have you on Outspoken for the first time. Obviously, lots being revealed at the moment in terms of this mainstream media cover up of Keir Starmer's Big Secret. I wanted to know how you felt about it, Lance, as a big supporter of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, because it feels like the MSM did absolutely everything to drum those two out of power, yet they're going to do everything to keep Keir Starmer in power. Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me on, Dan. It's an honour. So thank you, I really appreciate it. Look, I think at the end of the day,

people don't really care about the secret, whatever it is, and who knows what the secret is. Maybe it's that he actually is a real-life robot, because we think he is. It's impossible. What they care about is the hypocrisy, exactly as you're saying it. It's impossible. No one really cares. What they care about is the hypocrisy. Exactly. You know, as you're saying it, it's the hypocrisy that Starmer and the Labour Party just bang on and on and on.

And they never let Boris get away with anything, you know, as a free whatever. His curtains, his wallpaper, whatever it was, you know, they just went on and on about this the whole time. And it was just, you know, a real distraction from what he should have been doing, which was running the country. Actually, you need a strong opposition if you want to have a strong government. And, you know, a strong opposition isn't one that keeps talking about curtains,

unless hopefully it'll be their own curtain soon. So, you know, it was, I think that's what is really upsetting people now, the fact that, you know, it's all come back to haunt Keir Starmer and he's trying to say that, oh, this is nothing, it doesn't really matter. Well, it sort of does matter because that's the game you were playing. I completely agree. I completely agree. I mean, Lance, you were very despondent, weren't you, as you saw Boris brought down over so little?

And I know you supported Liz Truss as well. And while there is maybe more debate about Truss, I certainly believe the establishment and the mainstream media were never going to let her succeed either, because she wasn't the person who they wanted to win. Well, that's absolutely right. You know, I actually think she, to this day, I'm absolutely, totally convinced she had the right policies. She didn't sell them brilliantly, to be fair. And, you know, she was, her presentational skills were certainly lacking.

People say that she rushed it. I don't think that's fair comment at all, because if you remember, those summer hustings just went on and on and on. She had explained everything she was planning to do. But the fact of the matter is the globalists, the mainstream media, they just didn't like the shift to the right, to free market capitalism, more deregulation, anti-net zero. So it cahoots with Labour, just relentlessly attacked her, and were very fortunate in some respects that this crisis in the financial industry and pensions, the LDI crisis, I'm not going to go into the details of it now. I do understand it. Most people don't understand it. You say LDI and they don't even know what it stands for. But that happened the day after her budget and it caused a massive sort of dysfunction in the financial industry.

And everybody, of course, blamed the budget when actually the day after the budget, all of the, well, not all of, but certainly a lot of the newspapers, you know, the Mail, the Express and so on and so forth were all saying, you know, their front page headlines were at last a Tory budget. Oh, yeah. So she was doing the right thing,

but they were out to get her. She was. And they won because unfortunately she wasn't strong enough i i spoke to her afterwards and i said to her you know liz when you know when when your civil servants locked you in the room and uh and said to you you know you've got to sack your chancellor you've got to reverse everything you've just done and so on i said why did you do it why did did you just not say, well, can I phone a friend? And, you know, there were loads of supporters like me that would have said to you, no, don't do that. Tell them the lady's not returning and just stick to your guns. But she said, and I suppose it's true, and this is a problem that we have to some extent now,

I think, with the new leadership election. She said that her colleagues weren't supporting her. Party members might have been, but too many of the Conservative MPs aren't really true Conservatives, which is, as I say, it's an ongoing challenge. Oh, it really is. And I do want to talk about the Tory leadership contest momentarily. But just before we get there, Lance, I'm fascinated to know what you think about Starmer's relationship with Lord Ali. And I'm obviously not talking about an inappropriate relationship romantically. That absolutely isn't what the secret is. I'm talking about the financial relationship that has gone on. Isn't it very odd that someone who is so big on being a socialist, someone that has a gold-plated pension from his time as director of public prosecutions, someone who has a fortune of over 10 million pounds,

is getting a multi-millionaire TV executive to buy his wife's clothing, to buy his glasses, and then isn't adequately declaring it. I mean, this goes against everything, doesn't it, that Labour claimed they were going to be in government? Well, the fact of the matter is they're actually not real socialists. They're champagne socialists. And that is basically, you know, that is a party of hypocrites. And, you know, everybody can see it now. And I think some people that might have voted for him, I mean, a lot of people didn't vote for him, they just stayed at home, which was why, despite his huge majority, he got one of the smallest, you know, it's one of the smallest

voter turnouts in modern history. But, you know, you have to ask a question, why do people give gifts? And, you know, not everybody gives a gift because they're trying to bribe somebody. I mean, some people genuinely give gifts because they want to thank somebody, you know, for what they've done. People give gifts for all sorts of reasons. They might give a gift because, you know, you give gifts because you want somebody to get better. We all want Keir to get better. We're not all going to give him gifts. But, you know, why did, you know, the question is, why did Lord Ali give all these gifts? And also you have to put into perspective,

you know, we talk about a £2,000 suit that he might have given Keir Starmer. Now that may sound like a huge amount of money, you know, hugely expensive suit, but Lord Ali apparently is worth about £200 million. So it's actually peanuts to him. I mean, if your net wealth amounted to 100,000 pounds, let's say, it would be like the equivalent of buying somebody a one-pound suit. So in terms of his perception of value, it's not very much. And it's not the gift that worries me because, as I say, people do give gifts for whatever reasons.

My bigger concern actually is who is Lord Ali? You know, we've heard recently in the media that he's been having meetings with the president of Syria, Bashar. Now, this comes after a very difficult couple of days for Ms. Badenoch, who was the favourite. Originally, Nigel Farage had written about her over the weekend. Kemi Badenoch has spent weeks positioning herself as tough on immigration. But in 2018, she campaigned in Parliament to increase legal migration and was

the biggest champion for students bringing independence. I don't believe a word that she says on anything. But Kemi has responded to Nigel today saying, I prefer Nigel's earlier work. He used to talk about me as the only one with conviction to tackle illegal and legal immigration, but since seeing me as the next conservative leader and a threat to winning back reform voters, he's stopped doing so. Oh, well. And as ever, the mainstream media, well, they just see blood in the water, don't they? Here's Emily Maitlis first up going for Kemi today. This is not a controversial statement, but thank you. Has the maternity row damaged you, Kemi?

I don't know what maternity row you're talking about. I have given a statement and said that maternity pay is important. If people want to have a confected row, they are well within their rights to do that. But I am having a serious conversation in this party about the existential crisis that faces us. Who's confecting it? Well, you tell me. You're the one who's asking the question. Do you think there wasn't a row?

What I'm saying right now is that we need to get serious. We need to be able to talk about things. We shouldn't be worried about having disagreements, but we also shouldn't make stuff up. And what I'm most keen to ensure is that we have an honest debate. What was made up? A serious and honest debate. Just clarify, what was made up? Thank you so much.

Thank you. I've answered enough. And the BBC went for it as well. Are you too gaffe-prone? I've never had a gaffe. I'm a good communicator. I'm somebody who has worked in all sorts of different places before going into politics, so I've got a strong hinterland, and I think that I would bring people together. All of the people who worked with me are in the department as ministers. They're all on my team because they know that I'm a good leader and I would do a good job.

You say you bring people together. You are known for culture war issues. That divides people, doesn't it? Well, what people call culture war issues, I call looking after people. I call women's rights. I call speaking the truth. You can't just label something as culture wars and say we're not going to talk about it.

As a politician, I need to use my voice in a way that protects those who need protection, that speaks for my constituents, and that's what I'm doing. We can't just label it culture wars. And one more question. Are you too gaffe-prone to become leader, to become Prime Minister? Are you too gaffe-prone to become leader, Prime Minister? I've never had a gaffe. The truth is not gaffe. Yesterday, maternity pay? I was not talking about maternity pay, but this is one of the things that I am going to change. But you weren't careful enough with your words, were you?

I was answering a different question. And this is one of the things that I think is really important. That if we want politicians, to be honest, if we want to understand what they are doing, we can't jump in and keep clipping things and trying to pile on them on social media. I'm not scared of that. That's not going to stop me. I will speak the truth.

Maternity pay stays the same? Of course. I'm not scared of that. That's not going to stop me. I will speak the truth. The return is supposed to stay the same. Of course, of course. This is not something that any party is talking about. So Lance, just at the moment that the mainstream media, Lance Forman, are coming for Kemi Badenoch, you go to conference, you've posted a great picture of you two together, and you say, Kemi is the woman I want to be leader of the Conservative Party. So what made you make that decision? And what do you make of the mainstream media witch hunt against her?

Look, Dan, I like all the candidates, actually, and it's taken me a while to make up my mind. And one of the reasons I went to the party conference is that i you know i wanted to hear from them and you know hear from you know them directly from the horse's mouth you know what they have to say how they said it and i i came to the conclusion having done that that hemi is the one she has she's she's very intelligent she's very articulate, and most importantly, she speaks her mind. You know, we've had far too many years in both parties, not just the Conservative Party and Labour Party, of sort of management-style politicians, focus group politicians, who go out there, see what they think the voters want to hear,

and then they say, well, we'll deliver that, and, you know, we'll be the best people at managing that. That is not leadership. Leadership is having a set of principles, a philosophy that you you are committed to and firmly believe in, which you can then sell to the voters and build policies around that. So people understand where you're heading and where you're going and why you're around that. So people understand where you're heading and where you're going and why you're doing that. And Kemi for me is the only one that believes strongly in that.

She's talking about principles more than policies and the Tory party needs to do that now. It needs to, her motto or campaign slogan is renewal. That is what the Conservatives need to do that now. It needs to, you know, her motto or campaign slogan is renewal. That is what the Conservatives need to do. They need to renew and they need to actually explain to people what they believe in. Also, Kemi is, you know, so many politicians in recent years have all been, they've been lawyers. Here's a lawyer. You know, what do they train you in when you're a lawyer? They train you to basically put an argument forward that you don't necessarily believe in.

That's what lawyers do. They're very good at making arguments, but they don't necessarily believe in anything. She was, Kemi was an engineer. Engineers are problem solvers. Like Margaret Thatcher was a chemist, problem solvers. They come at challenges and problems from a very, problem solvers. You know, they come at challenges and problems from a very, very different perspective. And, you know, the more I heard Kemi speak,

you know, and also this idea that you don't all have to agree, that you can disagree with somebody respectfully and say, look, you know, you may have a good, you know, a good idea, a valid viewpoint, but this is what I'm going to do. And this is how I think we should do things. And people can make a choice.

But I think that clarity is something that she's doing that the others aren't. What about people who say, Lance, that she's not loyal? And the incident I'm going to refer to is that over the weekend at conference, she said her saddest moment was when she had to turn on boris johnson but you remember the text messages emerged with her actually luxuriating in getting rid of boris johnson and saying oh yeah yeah you've got to get rid of him too you've got to resign that didn't seem very loyal to me you know loyalty is is a very important uh quality um but it also you know there is sometimes a price to be paid for loyalty you know that i was a huge boris supporter

i know you were i i you know i i had left the Conservatives, joined the Brexit Party. When Boris came in after Theresa May had resigned, I moved straight back to the Conservative Party because I was a huge supporter of Boris. But as time went on, I became less and less convinced with what a lot of Boris was standing for. He was all the sort of net zero stuff. It was completely nonsensical in my view.

You know, he had, you know, he has, again, great qualities. His communication skills, incredible. His charisma, incredible. But I don't think his, you know, economic policies were strong. And I would say the net zero, I completely disagree with. And sometimes you have to make a judgment. And sometimes you say the net zero, I completely disagree with. And sometimes you have to make a judgment. And sometimes you might have to move away. And, you know, maybe Kemi has sort of decided that she now needs to move on. We've done the Boris thing, but we now have to sort of

move on to something else. And the party, you know, Nigel described the party very well. He said they're a broad church without a religion. That's a very fair comment. You can't have people in the party that support net zero and other people in the party that believe that fracking is the answer. The party has to decide what it believes in, because if you don't know what you believe in, it's very hard to sell that to the electorate. Well, she's very lucky to get your backing. Lance Foreman, one of our top business people.

It's so brilliant to have you on Outspoken today. And as I say, Foreman Salmon, oh my goodness, it's so good. So I recommend everyone goes and buys it. Thank you, Lance. Now, Angela Levin, she is up in just one moment with all of the secrets of Prince Harry's London visit. But first, hot flashes, sleepless nights, weight gain, joint pain. I know a lot of you are dealing with or have dealt with these symptoms, especially the women in the outspoken family. Now, obviously, I haven't experienced menopause firsthand, but I've heard from so many of you about the challenges that come with it.

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He didn't see his cancer-stricken father, King Charles. He didn't see his cancer-stricken sister-in-law, Kate Middleton. Sorry, Princess Princess Catherine I've got to get it right Catherine the Princess of Wales but he did attend the Well Child Awards where he tried to bring back some of the old Harry energy on stage so Angela I'm going to show you a couple of clips of him because you're obviously Prince Harry's biography you spent a long time with him I just wonder have we got a little bit of the old cheeky Harry back? Have a look at this. Is everyone having a good time?

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at home. And he also had his hands full with this adorable child. George! We are literally in the same kitchen! No, don't! This is what you did before! There is no big deal! Wow! It was terrible! Draws can't fly! Draws can't fly!

Baba, you're the maker, aren't you? Watch this! Don't apologise, I love it! honest, I can't look at Harry in the old way after everything he's done. I just can't. But do you feel he's got his spark back? He's always loved that charity. He was a patron for 15 years. And I think it was wonderful for him to feel that he was back where he belonged.

And I agree with you in one way, but I also think that even if we feel or see or hear a glimpse of change, that might actually get him going in a different direction and give him confidence. Because when he first came over and he was in New York and doing Diana Awards, his late mother award, he was incredibly nervy. He was twitching and he was moving about

and he had absolutely no confidence and I took that as an understanding of the fact that he's been so used to be bossed around by Megan move now go backwards get out of my way that it was very difficult for him but I think with this this was natural Harry, not many, Ros, would go running after and pick things up and throw them gently and make it a game. And I thought that actually it's very fair to be positive about him and see if he will feel that he wants to draw that out more and not be in the background so much.

Yes, indeed. He was only in the UK for such a short time though angela and the fact that he didn't see his father didn't see william didn't see katherine now i know some people have been saying that it's actually queen camilla stopping harry from seeing his father. You're also Queen Camilla's biographer. Is that correct? Oh, it's absolute nonsense. First of all, she had never interferes with what he wants to do. She always said that she's not going to try

and be a queen and do his sort of job, do his work, tell him what to do. She doesn't have charities that he could do. Her charities are very sort of for women, you know, and they're not sort of to do with tropical water or anything else like that. She just keeps herself in her own so she can do that. And she also loves him and wants him to get on with what he feels is right. Now, the thing is, King Charles has to relax and be quiet and make sure that he's strong enough to go to Australia in a few weeks time. And if Harry went to see him,

he's staying up in Scotland for I think a bit longer than they usually do. But that's very good. He is working gently there. But he has to look after himself. He's still getting treatment. And it would be dreadful if Harry came in, lost his temper, and he felt unwell. So that's one reason why it makes a lot of sense. Also, I should just say about the Queen that she never told Charles how to bring up his

children. She just said that it was up to him and she was very easy. She doesn't hold grievances to people, and especially not teenagers. She always thinks they'll get over it. So I don't believe any of that. And I think it's very cruel. She had enough of that when Diana and Charles parted and people were calling her terrible names. And she just stood there. She didn't complain. You'll never hear her saying it's not fair. They've been treated badly. She just waited. And I think she wouldn't do that. I know she wouldn't do that with Harry. And the other thing is that he won't go and see, he won't be allowed to go and see William. William doesn't want to talk to him.

He's very busy. We can see that. And also he's not going to let him anywhere near Catherine because you can't trust him. And he could sell off what he actually learns from her. He could make her more ill. The way she's keeping is calm and not doing too much and looking after herself, probably in a much more determined way than she would. She's not running or trying to race you at anything at all. And I think that that's absolutely right. I think

I mentioned before that he told, Harry told William that he wanted to help bring up the two younger children, because they would be spare. And William said, you know, don't be ridiculous, they're my children. He said, No, I'm going to stick to that. And I'm going to try and do it. So what do you think you would do if somebody came up like that? You just say, well, I'm not letting him near Heather House at all. And so it all makes sense. It's common sense. It's not drama. It's just common sense. It's how at this stage, things happen. And he's going off to Africa. So he's doing a very, very quick roundabout. And I think it's wrong if he just gives 10, 15 minutes to talk to anybody within the royal family when you can't really talk properly. And for a lot, you know, he needs to be there for a week at least to try and be,

to try and work something out, not a quick snap and then run off. So why does Harry actually want to spend more time in London then? Because he's not tight with his old mates. Most of them were erased from the picture once Meghan came on the scene. So he's not seen as family. So why does he want to be in London more? Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? I don't know.

I think sometimes that he wants to gather some material so he can sell it and make some money out of it. I think other times he's fed up with Meghan. I think other times he's worrying that if she comes to London, then she could, or anywhere really in the UK, she could have acid thrown over her. Or he just is lonely and wants to see them. So I've been trying to work out which one it is and I can't at all.

And likewise, Meghan, you know, she might say, I'm fed up with him. I need him out of the way. She might feel that she now is so globally important that she doesn't need Harry at all. And she's often dumped people if she feels that they're no use. She might, this might be a test. This might be the beginning of the breakup of their marriage. Also, they might think that it's actually, let's both go our own way and come back and see how we've got on. So I don't think Meghan would take that nice, kind attitude. But I do think we can't know really yet.

They're certainly going in different professional directions now. They have their own projects. And as you say, Harry has immediately gone to South Africa so that's the third continent in a week another visit somewhere without Meghan is this all professional is this all about separating their brands professionally well I don't know it might be doing that personally couldn't it be the other thing that I worry about are his children. He's supposed to adore his children. He feels that he's very worried about them and he wants to look after them.

And he does go away a lot. And I think that's very sad for them. They don't see their grandparents. They don't see aunts, uncles, cousins. You never get a glimpse of the children. I think that's something that he should take on board if he wants to be so careful about children and what they're doing and they shouldn't look at anything that could ruin their lives

and all that sort of thing. He must also show us that he's also looking after his own children a lot. He's supposed to love them a lot. And I think to go away for 10 days when you've got very small three and five children, aged children, that, you know, they worry. It seems a very, very long time. They don't have a clock they can look at.

It does seem a long time. So I hope he goes there, does well, and then comes back and spends some time with them. It's just odd, isn't it? It feels a very long time since Megan said, oh, we're just like salt and pepper. It doesn't work if we're apart. Whereas now it only seems to work if they are apart.

Yes. It's a silly thing to say, isn't it? I've always wondered who is the salt and who is the pepper. I don't know which one of them it is, but there's no point saying that. And I don't think relationships are terrific if you are stuck with each other and not your own within the relationship, yourself relationship. Yeah, indeed. It is a very odd one. So do you feel like the London visit was a success, Angela?

I think it was a success for him because he hasn't been there for a while and it's something that he's loved for 15 years. He hasn't missed one for a long time. And he does feel for the parents there. And he's very patient and delicate with children who have terrible illness. And I think that's very important. I mean, a lot of people, they see children that are deranged or looking very, very ill. They don't know what to say to them and how to say it. But he's very natural

like that the same as the um uh when he goes to africa with the children who are in the um place where their parents had um uh very sort of difficult diseases he would be very nice to them he would walk with them and dance with them and jump with them and play with them. So he's got a really loving side for children. how can I believe that this compassion from Harry is genuine when he has shown such a lack of compassion to his own flesh and blood and we remember it was two years ago that he was in the country for the well child awards and that was when the queen was quite literally on her deathbed and I went on GB news after she had pulled out of the Privy Council meeting, which was just the day before she died, and said to Harry, just get up there. Just forget anything. Just go to Balmoral. See your grandmother. And I feel like it's the same thing on this trip. Okay, I totally understand about William and

Catherine. They don't want Harry anywhere near them. And I get that that and maybe Charles doesn't want it either but I just think I cannot believe you're a compassionate man when you are in the country and you will not even see your own cancer-stricken father who by the way we have to remember Angela despite Harry's briefing which was completely incorrect from his team in the US, Charles had offered Harry accommodation at Buckingham Palace, no less. Well, he's got a huge resentment for his father and for William and for anyone who said anything negative about Meghan. This is another part of him. This is a sort of passionate love affair that he fell for

her in one minute. I think he smelt his mother's perfume on her and thought that's it. And I think that has a different way of exposing itself from your parents. I mean, people can really, really be nasty to their parents. And that has to be sorted out with a proper conversation but Megan shouldn't be part of that I think he's scared you see that she will um dislike what he's saying and so therefore um all that I think when anyway relationships you get somebody who brings out the best in you yet someone brings out the worst in you I think someone wrings out the worst in you. I think she's brought out the worst in him, and I think it's appalling that his behaviour has been so bad. And he's got to completely change all that.

But he's got to start somewhere, hasn't he? It's very, very hard, and I think it would take a long time because there's Meghan standing there looking over him. Now she hasn't got to last 10 days, she hasn't been holding his hand and his arm, so he can't move more than a few inches. So, you know, perhaps he'll work on that one. But he has taken what she wants and he's done what she wants and he's done it ever since they left being the working royals and uh he's he's

very wrong for that but i do think that love in the sort of passionate way is very different from loving a parent which is very deep profound and it lasts a long time yeah nothing should come between that nothing should come between that angela boris johnson in his new autobiography unleashed has spoken in quite a lot of detail about his last meeting with queen elizabeth ii this has attracted some controversy angela because chris shear pie tv's royal editor who just despises boris despises everything Boris does, is utterly furious that Boris revealed that the late Queen had bone cancer. But

look, I mean, I think most people know that by now. I actually thought it was a really lovely, touching tribute. Did you? I did, actually. I thought he'd done it very well. I mean, the way he talked to Harry, you know, the Downing Street and Buckingham Palace

asked him to speak to Harry because they didn't want him to go. They pleaded with him. Oh, to stop Brexit, yes. Oh, he did. There were no aides. And he said, you know, don't go, you can do wonderful things. And he had this marvellous opportunity of really helping and going to the Commonwealth and all that. And he said that, what was it?

He had madly pep talk, and it was absolutely a waste of time because he wouldn't listen at all. He didn't want to know. And the next day he went off to join megan in canada but when he talked to her this lovely thing you probably read it of course um he she offered him two things that he should remember um and the first one was that um if he saw any bird in the garden that he was scared about, that he should always say, hello, give the date, and then, well, that's it. And that should be something that would help him, especially magpies.

And the other thing he said said that he should talk emotionally. He should say what he wanted and not be scared about doing that. And you think that this wonderful woman in her 90s, feeling very, very ill, she died very soon after that, wanted to stay there until she'd done her duty with Boris and give him a little bit of information of what she thought was very well. And I thought the magpie one was absolutely lovely because she felt nervous about one magpie in the garden. And so I think it will help thousands of us.

Yeah, it was a lovely insight actually from Boris Johnson into the final days of the late great Queen Elizabeth II. The great Angela Levin, can you stand by please because coming up next in the uncancelled after show much, much more royal news and you know it's very important to me that we have a safe space not patrolled big tech, where censorship and control runs deep. So that's why I've launched

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