Dan Wootton Outspoken - THE END OF STARMER AS LABOUR PLOT FOR ISLAM VOTE & TO MAKE SHABANA MAHMOOD 1ST MUSLIM PM

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: The end of Slippery Starmer is near, after a catastrophic result in Wales as allies of rival Andy Burnham warn that time is running out. But the priority of this crooked and corrupt Labour government is to secure the Muslim vote as they fear the Greens under Zack Polanski, and Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana’s leftist mob are becoming the Islamist party of choice. But what a shock new video of Two Tier Keir and Labour’s pick to be the first Muslim Prime Minister in Shabana Mahmood didn’t reveal is that the women in burkas and hijabs were consigned to the corner of the room as the leader spoke to the men. Meanwhile, the UK’s media class remains as out of touch as ever. In his Digest, Dan uncovers the fight for the soul of Britain as the two party system is finally smashed forever. Then analysis from Connor Tomlinson, host of Tomlinson Talks on YouTube. PLUS: Fears that News UK will close Talk TV if Mike Graham is sacked for the Facebook post he insists he didn’t send, as Katie Hopkins weighs in and the suspended presenter speaks out for the first time since the news went public. AND: Michael Gove covers up a debate at The Spectator as a major free speech row breaks out. Why won’t he release the footage? THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle loses her tenth spin chief in just five years, as a Netflix veteran quits working for the bully girl Fake Duchess after just three months. We’ll have all the inside details on that, as she makes another cringe worthy public appearance as we team up with royal YouTube sensation According2Taz. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 34. Breaking today, the end of slippery Stama is near after a catastrophic result in Wales, as allies of rival Andy Burnham warn that time is running out. But the priority of this crooked and corrupt Labour government is to secure the Muslim vote, as they fear the Greens under Zach Polansky and Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultan has leftist mob are becoming the Islamist party of choice. I'm really pleased today that we are announcing a further £10 million to support our mosques on top of the support we've already put in. I'm pleased to say that. It is appalling that my community, the Muslim community, faces such appalling levels of hate

in the country that we love. And it is why I am here today to announce an additional £10 million pounds to protect Muslim communities across the UK. But what that video of two-tier care and Labour's picked to be the first Muslim Prime Minister in Shabana Mahmood didn't reveal is that the women in burqas and hijabs were consigned to the corner of the room as the leader of our country spoke only to the men. Meanwhile, the UK's media class remains as out of touch as ever. I think most British people are relatively pro-immigration in the abstract. I think most British people actually have been, when you consider how big the waves of immigration have been, particularly since COVID, you know, at one point nearing the sort of net migration of nearly a million.

It's actually extraordinary how sanguine and how accepting the British public overall are about immigrants and about immigration. The amount that we talk about anti-Semitism compared to the amount we talk about Islamophobia. Now, we shouldn't pit these two things against each other. sides of the same coin. And when people hate one minority community, they often hate all minority communities. Angie Rainer is back and this statement is the beginning, if you like, of the Rainer rebuild. There's plenty more fights in her yet as colleagues I, Rainer's return at some point to the top table. In my digest next, the fight for the soul of Britain as the two-party system is finally smashed forever. Then analysis from Connor Tomlinson, host of

Tomlinson talks on YouTube. Also coming up on the show today, fears that News UK will close Talk TV. If Mike Graham is sacked for the Facebook post, he insists he didn't send, as Katie Hopkins weighs in, and the suspended presenter speaks out for the first time, since the news went public,

I'll tell you what he's had to say. Michael Gove covers up a debate at the spectator as a major free speech rowl breaks out. Why won't he release the footage? And Orinda Corr claims King Charles, and Prince William have broken the law during an unhinged appearance on Channel 5 as the MSM pushed the Republican cause as the Royal Family's crisis deepens. Then, in the uncanceled after show on Substack, Megan Markle loses her 10th spin chief in just five years as a Netflix veteran quits

working for the bully girl fake Duchess after just three months. So we're going to have all the insight details on that and show you another cringeworthy public appearance that she has made overnight as we team up with Royal YouTube Sensation according to Tads. You can sign up to watch at www.w.combeen.com. Of course, because it is a Friday as well, at the end of the show, we will be revealing the worst Britain in the world today. Oh my goodness. I think we've already had something like 70,000 votes. So you can get voting right now. There are your nominees. Remember, these are taken from the union jackasses from across the week. So on Monday, it was Sarah Ferguson on Tuesday, Prince Andrew on Wednesday, Jess Phillips, and on Thursday,

Bush for shake, get voting. I'm going to read some of your best comments, or your most scathing comments out at the end of the show and reveal the worst Britain in the world this week. So do stay with us this Friday. But now, let's go. Slippery Stama is finished. It's now a matter of when, not if he is forced out as the worst British Prime Minister in history. Labor's implosion in Wales where a century of wins was finally overturned by the surging Welsh separatists and Reform UK just confirms what anyone's saying already no. But today I can reveal a plot is now underway to ensure that Stama is replaced by the first Muslim Prime Minister in British history with Shabana Mahmoud, the Home Secretary, now the favoured candidate. Indeed, Labour's biggest concern at the moment is

the fact they see the Muslim vote slipping away to the now. Islamist Populist Green Party under Zach Polanski, and this new mob being formed by Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana. So we're going to see many more stunts like this. I'm here today at the Peacehaven Mosque with the Prime Minister. The attack on this mosque a few weeks ago was an appalling crime, and I have met with those who were impacted that night and heard of the terror that they all felt. What is clear is this could have so easily led to an even more devastating outcome. It is appalling that my community, the Muslim community, faces such appalling levels of hate in the country that we love. And it is why I am here today

to announce an additional £10 million to protect Muslim communities across the UK, strengthening security at our places of worship, so we can practice our faith safely and without fear. I am proud of this country because of the rights that we have, the right to follow your conscience and the faith of your choosing, the right to live free from hatred and from fear, whoever you might be. But that right has to be defended. Violence directed at any faith or community is an attack on us all, and we must stand together in solidarity against those who seek to divide us. I'm so sorry that we're meeting in these circumstances because that was a horrific attack that will have impacted every single member of the community. We've just been talking

to some of the family members and getting a sense firsthand of the personal impact. I'm really pleased today that we are announcing a further £10 million to support our mosques on top of the support we've already put in. I'm pleased to say that. I'm sad to say it as well in a sense because I wish we didn't need to put in more security.

We shouldn't need to have security in places of worship and it's sad that we do. But that just reflects the responsibility on me, on the Home Secretary, to do everything we can to tackle hate crime. Okay, but let me tell you what's outrageous. That video that we just saw of Slippery Stama has been dodgily edited. And it didn't show the reality of what was taking place in that mosque. Stama, see there?

Look at that picture. He was actually speaking only to the men. Not how it looked in the video. And look in the corner. There are the women. in the hijabs and in the burqas. And he doesn't see anything wrong with this. Obviously, deep down he does, but Labour has decided its only hope is trying to secure the Muslim vote, which already slipped away to the sectarians at the last election.

That's why he slammed Tory rising star Katie Lamb at the same time for her very fair assertion that multiculturalism has failed. A conservative MP from the southeast, Katie Lamb, told ITV this week that in her view, Multiculturalism has not succeeded in this country. Do you agree with her? I can't tell you how much I disagree with her. I think that her approach where people who are lawfully in this country, who have been working in our communities,

perhaps in our schools, our hospitals, running businesses, our neighbours, people lawfully here. She wants to reach in and remove them from our country for cultural reasons, she says. That is how far the Conservative Party has sunk. Barath Roberts described the scenes as surreal, and then rightly surmised, he's terrified. Carl Benjamin summed it up this way. Please, please vote for Labour, Mr. Muslim.

And Nick Buckley said when you have spent decades telling a community that they have been persecuted, even though there is no evidence, eventually the community will believe these lies and feel persecuted. And Conor Tonneson, who is here very shortly, added, Muslims are recognising just how much Islam fatigue has set in among the British public, which means making excuses for Islam or splitting hairs between hypothetical, peaceful Muslims and Islamists. That will soon become an intellectual liability. Islam is the problem. It's not the only problem, but it is the most deadly threat to our civilisation. But in terms of politics, only the advanced UK leader Ben Habib was prepared to call out the seeds.

He posted on X in direct response to Mahmood. An inappropriate post from Shabana Mahmood, revealing her bias. Freedom of worship applies to everyone. To overtly identify as a Muslim and make the case for Muslims, but not people of other faiths, is wrong. Bear in mind, this is constitutionally and culturally a Christian country. The union flag is a Christian flag. As Home Secretary, you should reinforce our Christian roots and values. you have never once spoken of the importance of Christianity in the UK.

But the war on the left for that Islam vote actually makes that impossible. As Kelly J Keen pointed out after watching Zach Polanski's exchange with the truly horrendous extremist, Medi Hassan, the Green Party is the party of Islam. That will be its main issue, then only issue, within a very short time. Watch. You have conservatives, and just in the last 48 hours, I think you've got, conservative MP, Paul Goodman, writing in the telegraph saying Islam has been a problem in Britain for a long time. You have Robert Generic, Britain should ban the burqa. You have Claire Coutinio,

I'm not sure for pronouncing her name wrong, shadow education sector, I believe she's saying political Islam is a growing problem in this country. Nick Timothy, conservative assistant whip, saying Islamism is now a big force in our society. We need to do something about it. How dangerous is that rhetoric towards Muslims in the UK? It's phenomenally dangerous. And Islamophobia is rife in our society. And I say this as a Jewish man. There's only been five Jewish leaders of a British political party in the last hundred years. So I obviously take anti-Semitism really seriously, but I think it can strike anyone who's paying attention for more than 30 seconds the amount that we talk about anti-Semitism compared to the amount we talk about Islamophobia. Now, we shouldn't

pick these two things against each other. They're two sides of the same coin. And when people hate one minority community, they often hate all minority communities. And I think the best work is when people stick together. But it's really clear to me that when I think particularly online of the people with Israeli flags in their profile or pro-Zionist kind of groups, they hate me more than they hate anyone. So we're in a battle, right, for the hearts and soul of our United Kingdom. I know you know it. But our media class remains chronically out of touch, like the fake news agents, literally lying and saying that Brits just love mass immigration. We just love it.

We love it despite having roundly opposed it for six decades. We sometimes have this narrative that somehow Britain is a kind of uniquely soft touch and that we are uniquely taking loads and loads of people. No, this is a continental-wide problem that probably requires continental-wide solutions, which might be one of the good reasons to, you know, if we were still in the room when much of this sort of the EU border policy is being discussed, but, you know, that's by the by now. But I think it is also true to say that even though it is a small number of people,

I think because, actually, I think most British people are relatively pro-immigration in the abstract. I think most British people actually have been, when you consider how big the waves of immigration have been, particularly since COVID, you know, at one point nearing the sort of net migration of nearly a million. It's actually extraordinary how sanguine and how accepting the British public overall are about immigrants and about immigration, which I think is precisely why. And Shabana Mahmood has made this argument herself, and I agree with her, it's precisely why irregular migration, which is not controlled, has to be a state, has to be seen to have a zero tolerance policy. Because I think the problem is, is that when you have that sense of lawlessness, that sense of lawlessness at the border, what it does is infect the debate on standard migration, on regular migration, on legal migration. And it metastasizes because you have, you know, bad, bad actors,

including people like Tommy Robinson and others, who then use the relatively small number for their own purposes, basically, to smear and demonise the much larger number. So I think that, you know... All I would say, though, is if you got rid of the small boats problem completely, you would not shut down Tommy Robinson. And I think that is the big mistake. And that is why the elite class want to shut down independent broadcasters,

because we are revealing the true cost. to our public services because of scenes like this involving migrants to our health system and remember these people shouldn't even be here in the first place we knew or anything like that

but this is what it is yeah so they are closing the facility today for the legal's to be seen they were due to have XR MRI scans and X-rays on Saturday when the process was taking place but that was postponed because of today they are having x-rays because it's been

reported that they are expected to have and many do have, they are pushing ahead of people on the waiting lists. Yeah, so how long have you been over here? How long have... One month? One month. Yeah. And where have you come from?

What country? What country? Yeah. My country? Yeah. What? Ethiopia. Ethiopia.

Oh, Ethiopia. Yeah. What about you, sir? Where? Ertria. Ertria. A Sofia? No, Ertria.

I can't understand what you're saying. What about you? Sudan. Sudan. Afghanistan and... Yeah. I can't... What's you do?

R3. Can you say? Near of Ethiopia. Ethiopia, yeah? Near Ethiopia. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and where have you come from, sir?

Sir. What country have you come from? Sudan. Sudan, yeah? Sorry about that. Yeah. So, um... Hello, my friend.

So what was your x-rays for today then? So what was you having the x-ray for today? What was you in the hospital for? Are they giving you paperwork? Have you got paperwork? No. Any of you's got paperwork from... So Labour knows it's finished because of scenes like that. But its hopes of staying in power now rest with a hard left alliance

between Corbyn and Sultana, the Greens, and separatist parties like the SNP and Plaid Cumbery, who you can see won the Carfully Welsh by-election in a massive blow, not just to Labour, but Reform UK too. So tactical voting by the left and some on the right, kept Farage from winning a seat that was very important to his momentum ahead of Welsh elections in May. It's Thursday, but 23rd of October. I'm in Carefilly. This is the by-election day for the Senate. It'll be the last by-election ahead of the big all-out elections next May. There's no doubt we fought a really big campaign.

But Plied are also fighting a big campaign. The Labour vote has been collapsing. And from all the opinion polls, they say we're just a couple of points. ahead. So the stakes today could not be higher. But I'm going to go and leave this campaign office and go and knock on doors and try and get some more voters to come out and vote for Clearpal. Didn't happen in the end. And Zia Yusuf was right, by the way, to point out the danger of the Welsh hardlifters who have of course received no scrutiny. He wrote, Placemory call themselves a nationalist party, thou not, thou open borders globalists, who don't have the Welsh people's interests at heart.

They see Wales as a dumping ground for the third world. They don't even believe illegal immigration exists. But Nigel today was honest. He admitted he thought he would win. Adding at the start of polling day, I thought that we would get 12,000 votes, and we did. I thought that number would be enough, but it wasn't. The total collapse of the Labour vote to Plied was to a party that people know well and to a popular local politician. The Senate elections next year are a two-horse race between Reform UK and Plied Comory. Now, as I said, some people on the right did vote for the hard left too to keep reform out, including Tories.

With loyal conservative Kevin Edgar revealing hearing some conservative voters in Carfley voted against reform good. If reform are going to slag off conservative voters, they're far less likely to lend their vote to you. Reform are not a serious party. It's all stunts, slogans and egos, no actual detailed policies. Dan Hodges argued the result is almost as bad for reform as Labor. writing Kaferli was a disaster for Kier Stama, but he's toast anyway. The real significance is the emergence of major anti-reform tactical voting.

We'll get lots of cheerleading from Nigel Farage and his supporters, but they lost by a pretty comfortable margin. Nadine Doris and David Bull did try to push back, though, on LBC. Watch. As a politician, you failed again. David, Bill, good morning. Oh, good morning, Nick. Don't be ridiculous. Of course, we're disappointed by that result.

But you're right. Look, if you look back four years ago, we got 1.7%. To get 36% is amazing, actually. An extraordinary journey. I actually think that's pretty unprecedented in modern British politics. I think just in terms of the other results, look at Labour. This is a tribally and traditional Labour part of the world. Now, Labour has ruled this part of the world for about 100 years.

More. More than that. They got 11%. That is derisory. The Tory is wiped out. down to 2%, they might as well pick up the ball and go home. Now, what we are seeing is actually, I think what the public is saying is we are sick and tired of the way the country is being run, Wales is being run, and what we want is to see a change.

And that is what we saw last night. It is a two-party race between Plyde and between us as well. They are abandoning Labour, they're abandoning the Tories. Plied is well-established in Wales. They've always had a percentage of the vote share. I'm not sure what their vote share increased by, but it is incredible that reform had 36% of the vote. Do not underestimate.

I hear you, I hear you, but all the projections were, all the projections and all the ideas coming out of reform was that it would be a reform victory yet again, albeit you performed well, but the party has come up short. There's no win, Nadine Doris. No, but it's Wales. So personally, I have never said that. I've never said that we would win in Wales.

And I know a lot of people didn't. not even sure that many people in reform thought that we would win in Wales. The objective was always, I believe, to do our very best, which we did. If we'd won, that was great, but to come second, I'd tell you, there will be no tears in reform today. The Conservative vote has gone from two, I'm so sorry, it was 17% last time out, and it's gone to 2% last night. What will be going on at Conservative Central Command? Nick, when I defected to reform, I was the first person to say the Tory party is dead. It's dead. And I think that figure

last night shows it's over. What is increasingly clear to me is that the left are not only going to use tactical voting, they are also going to use American-style anti for tactics to do anything to keep Farage from power. Threats like this are now becoming commonplace. Who do you vote for? No one who ever gets seen. Yeah. No one who ever gets in. Yeah.

So what about reform? Do you like reform? Stamp, stamp, start. It's a fucking joke in it. I don't really know much about politics. I'm going to see the doctor soon, and soon it fits paper. I know where for hours and it's not probably going to take him out. Will you?

I thought about it. I worked at his house many years ago before he was famous. Yeah? When his name come up, I went back to the old company, dug out the paper, and it was him. He was walking around what I'm doing the point, and he's walking around like this. And I'm thinking, fuck me, he's watching everything. And I was out, I didn't drop by the workers, I said. When I suddenly realised, he wouldn't, he was looking at the stars, looking up at the sky.

So right now, Farage walks down to you, he says, let's have it, me and you, who wins? Who walks away. Oh, I would. You reckon? Oh, yeah. I don't know, I heard he can have it, though. Who? Farage.

I could do you, right? Could you? Yeah. Are you like X, X forces? I'd just smash you in the throat. What with? My hands. Oh, what?

And then you stopped breathing, didn't you? Hold on. That was good. I'm 84. Oh, no, I'm joking. Work it out. But yeah. I'll show you. Leave you gentlemen to your discussions. See you later.

See you later. Nice to meet you. But no, are you up for anything? Sure? Yep. Yep. Okay. See you later. It's not actually funny. It's a direct threat to life he should be arrested. But the regime media are a huge part of this problem. And they hadn't given up on a major curveball to keep Labour and power. That major curveball, according to Sly News's completely corrupted political editor, Beth Rigby, is the return of disgraced Angela Rainer. She posted, Angela Raina makes her first public appearance

since quitting high offers, her personal statement in the Commons, as much about her determination to fight on as a reflection to why she has to leave government, the comeback begins. She then posted this North Korean-style propaganda report. This was an honestly made mistake, but when you make a mistake, you take responsibility. Yeah.

Now, you might remember this story. There is no excuse not to pay taxes old, and I will do so. Angela Raina, the former Deputy Prime Minister, Deputy Labour Leader, and one of the most powerful women in British politics, sensationally forced to quit office over her tax affairs. Today she's back in the Commons to deliver her resignation speech to MPs, her supporters out in force, is she went back to her first principles.

I know the power of politics, Mr Speaker, to change lies because it changed my own. Okay, so let's take a step back. What went wrong for Raina? Well, look, in a nutshell, she had a complicated family arrangement on her family home in the North West, which she had effect put into a trust for her disabled son.

So when she bought a new place on the South Coast, she didn't think she needed to pay second home stamped you. that was wrong. It meant she underpaid her tax bill by about £40,000. But she told me it was an honest mistake in an interview that we did before she was forced to resign over breaking the ministerial code. Well, I made a mistake based upon the advice that I relied upon that I received at the time. People make mistakes, but I conducted myself in trying to do the right thing. And I hope that people can see that. Now, the Griff report analyzed Beth there, writing Beth Rigby, proving yet again,

she's a client journalist with this video she did for her mate, Angie. Yeah, she's calling her Angie. No one else calls her Angie, apart from Beth Rigby, hoping to help pave the way for her mate saying it was an honest mistake. This kind of, quote, journalist is an absolute disgrace trying to make light of Angela Rainer's tax dodging, hoping that a little time awake and forgive and forget, just like when Beth herself went away after breaking COVID rules, hoping we would forgive and forget. We didn't, and we won't, Biff, stop Shilling for your mate and act like a real journalist and get some bloody integrity. Everyone is actually cringing at your forning over that crook.

And it actually got worse. It actually got worse. Watch. And now, having quit high office, triggered a major cabinet reshuffle, as well as a deputy labour leadership race, Angie Rayner is back. And this statement is the beginning, if you like, of the Rainer rebuild. Despite the fierce criticism and the relentless lobbying from vested interests, I'm so proud, Mr Speaker, that within weeks our landmark employment rights bill will become law. And signalling, there is plenty more fight in her yet, as colleagues I reign as return at some point to the top table.

As tough as politics can be, it is nothing, nothing compared to what thousands of my constituents and this country face every single day. That bench or front bench, elected office is not about us, but about our chance to change the lives of others. And from wherever I sit on these benches, I will fight with everything I have to do exactly that. And now, Conor Thominson. Okay, Connor, so there's that election result overnight, and yeah, it's disastrous for Labor,

but it does show the power of the hard left in being able to unite and tactically block out Reform UK under a first-past-the-post system. But what is most fascinating to me is Labor's desperate bid to win back the Muslim vote. he saw it yesterday, these astonishing scenes of Kirstama sitting in that mosque. You know, he's meant to be a leftist, right? There he is, surrounded by only men, the women in the corner, conner, in their hijabs, in their burqas. And then there's this plot. And the plot is now very obvious amongst the Labour left for it to be Shibana Mahmood, who succeeds Kirstama and becomes the UK's first Muslim prime minister.

What's happening? Yeah, the women were just, they were just missing their dunce hats, Dan. I mean, I think Kirstarmer would be interested to know. Well, he'd be interested to know just how many verses in the Corona Hadiths say that hell is filled with women and that they are the perennial temperatures that have waylaid Muhammad on his path to total sanctification and therefore they are second-class citizens and their testimony should be weighed half that of a man's. We just don't do that in this country. We've never treated our women this way.

I recommend people read Alan McFarlane's book, The Origins of English Individualism, to see that the average age of marriage was in its 20s back as far as the middle ages. Women could own property under common law, and we've always had a sort of good respect between the sexes that just isn't present in the Muslim world, which has continued to practice its barbaric Bedouin tribe mentality since the 7th century to the present, and actually gives you sort of like supermerits if you decide to be a Salafist and live exactly as Muhammad did all the way back in the 600s. So I just think this is repugnant.

I think it's long overdue for our politicians to have the conversation as to whether or not Islam belongs in Britain whatsoever. Spoiler alert, no, categorically. You can't be a British Muslim. It's a contradiction in terms. And the first politician that has the courage to stand up and say that will not just be lauded despite the threat to their safety, but also they'll insulate themselves from the political liability

that Islam and supporting it has become because the British public are basically sick to the back teeth. of the aesthetic crimes, the actual crimes and the costs inflicted upon them by mass Muslim migration that they've always voted against in every election since 1974 and been punished with more migration as a result. And when eventually the dam does break because things just get undeniably awful with likely another terror attack which is looming, the first politician to put their head above the parapet and say this will win over popular support and all the people that have been running interference for it ever since will have some pretty black marks on their records that

They can't walk back. Well, that's what's so interesting, isn't it, Connor? Because it's not coming. That talk is not coming from Reform UK and from Nigel Farage, who have been very clear. And if anything, after this result last night, they're only going to tack further to the centre. So it's interesting, isn't it?

Seeing the Conservative Party finally actually talking like small C Conservatives, even though I think I'd struggle to ever vote for them again. I've been very, very open about that. And I didn't at the last election for very obvious reasons. But, you know, Katie Lamb, saying the previously unsayable, which is that multiculturalism has failed. What do you think is going to be the consequence of this by-election result, Connor, because the political class, the elite class are already saying, and this is what frustrates me so much. Well, reform, they're going to have to move further to the centre. It's like, my God, how further to the centre can they go?

A lot to address there, Dan. And I think Dean Doris is actually wrong, not for the first time, about whether or not there are no tears in reform about this result. Because I know quite a few the good eggs working in Reform HQ behind the scenes used to work in Welsh politics. And so this will sting for them a little bit because they feel like they know the battleground that this was a winnable place. When I spoke to a couple of them last year, they said that they were going to play it relatively safe with a Mingva's strategy to carry it across the line in local elections. And they said, well, when we've got whales out the way and won that, then we can afford to be a bit more bold. And I think this will, as you've said, encourage them to have a bit more of a softening effect on their approach, even though it's the opposite. In terms of being bolder to win England specifically, the Welsh and the Scottish elections are a bit of an anomaly because what you basically need to run there is not a national party.

What you need to run there is an ethnically particular party, but that codes right wing rather than left wing. As my friend Carl Benjamin has long said, if you ran the Brave Heart Party in Scotland and positioned yourselves as Scottish Nationalists but also had the, and we're not rejoining the EU and we're kicking out all of the awful immigrants that are costing us loads of money,

you would win because the only reason the SMP is winning is because it has patriotic branding on the biscuit tin and then smuggles in gay race communism as its actual modus operandi. As far as the conservative sort of pantomiming patriotism, look, there are some good conservative MPs. Katie Lamb has been phenomenal and she doesn't have the baggage of the rest of her party

because she was only elected. in 2024, though she was working as a spad for some time of Dominic Cummings, and obviously Nadine has done her work in exposing that incestuous network, sort of gravitating amount of Michael Gove that destroyed the Conservative Party for 14 years. But the likes of Nick Timothy and even Robert Jenrick should be commended for their courage for saying that assimilation and integration has failed. It's probably not on the cards. Islam presents some unique challenges to Britain and the Boris Wave should be going home. But they need to go further because Robert Jenrick turned around and said in his

contentious but correct comments about Birmingham being a third world slum, and said, well, it's nothing to do with the color of your skin or your religion. Actually, it is, because unfortunately, people recreate the conditions of their homelands, either out of spite or out of habit, and if your culture is to dump rubbish in the streets, or if your religion is to sing the call to prayer five times a day and turn the suburbs of Birmingham into the streets of Lahore or Islamabad, Yeah, it does have to do with your religion and your culture, actually.

And so they need to get a stronger line on this if they want to persuade the public that they are able to clean up the mistakes that they themselves made. But I agree with you, dang, frankly, I think it's too big an ask. I think the Conservative Party is dead. And I think the people pulling the strings behind the scenes, no matter how good the things that some MPs are saying, are still wedded to that failed ideology of liberal multiculturalism that gave us can be bad knock on the Boris wave. They are, but I will support the individual conservative

of MPs because I think they are going to start shifting the Overton window. So the ones that I call out at the moment are Robert Jenric, Katie Lamb and Nick Timothy. Obviously, Suella Braverman as well and our friend Liz Trust too. Connor, what about the fake

newsagents? I've got to let you respond to them directly. You know, we just love mass immigration. Connor, apparently, we've loved it. We've always loved it. It's just the illegal migration that the British public have a problem with. No, it's just irregular, Dan. Remember, this is the sleight of hand they always use. They've

substituted illegal with irregular because what they want to do is actually continue battery farming all of these foreign rapists and criminals at our expense who have dumped their documents over the side of a dingy and probably created a veritable coral reef at the bottom of the channel at this point. What they want is them here. They just want them here with the appropriate documents. Because remember, replacement migration, all of the costs and crimes committed by people that never needed to be in this country in the first place is just tickety boo so long as they have passport that says they're as British as you and me. As far as the idea that we love migration, on the abstract level, no, Lewis actually has

this completely inverted and this is the misunderstanding that as well, Zach Polanski made in those clips. I think it's willfully misunderstanding by Zach Polanski who, bear in mind for people, changed his name to be more purposefully Jewish, probably to give his demented Islamo-Leftist politics some cover by saying, well, you can't attack me for opening the doors to Muslim anti-Semitism. I'm just as Jewish as anyone. Point being, we don't love immigration in the abstract because we don't love paying for loads of total layabouts from the third world to subsist in social housing, sponge off our benefits, and culturally terraform our home beyond

recognition. What some of us like is immigration in the particular, as in some of us have friends and family members who are of different ethnic extractions. Like, as an Englishman, I just sort of take people as I meet them. That is actually my temperament. I don't want to be talking about all of these problems with ethnicity and integration and multiculturalism all day every day. You know, I've met some nice African Christians. I've met some nice Pakistani and Indian Christians as a common denominator here. But that doesn't mean that these exceptions disprove rules, because otherwise their countries, if everyone in those countries acted like we did, would look like our country. But it doesn't.

doesn't. And so therefore, people don't like immigration in the abstract because of the dire consequences it has when it is practiced at scale. And so it is totally absurd to imply that people want the current state of affairs. Instead, people always voted against it and people will vote for whoever promises to reverse it. Breaking today, I can reveal fears within the crisis hit news UK station talk TV that it's going to be shut down altogether within months, if suspended presenter Mike Graham, overwhelmingly the most popular host on talk, does not return, is not allowed to return, which unfortunately is looking increasingly likely. Now, Mike has broken in silence posting late last night a picture of his fire and writing

Burning Down the House, which certainly seems to suggest. suggest he isn't expecting to return either. Katie Hopkins has supported him, however, posting on X. I am banned from all Murdoch media globally, so have no skin in the game. Mike Graham, his listeners love him, your channel needs him. Who gives a shit what he wrote on Facebook? Stop pandering to the special needs twats missing a spine. Thank you, Katie Hopkins. And one of the key contributors on the station has now spoken. out against the other star hosts for staying silent. I know all about that. Kate Hoey, posting on XI am disappointed that the other talk TV journalists have not spoken out and that

some have undertaken his show. If it can happen to Mike Graham, it can happen to any of them, where is the solidarity? And indeed, and this is one of the big problems on the British right. when one of our own go-down, even if it's one of our own colleagues, everyone else stays silent. It certainly happened to me when I went through something very similar at GB News. Ironically, the dude who ran so fast to take my show, Mark Dolan, was the only talk presenter who did tweet in support of Mike Graham, but he quickly deleted it. So, Sandy Tredgeon, right, I stand with strong figures like Dan. Wooden and Mike Graham. But then she said, so Mark Dolan has deleted his tweet in support of

Mike Graham. I suspect he may have been warned by his employers. If so, not a good look for Talk TV. Now, I want to be fair, because I feel like I've tried to be fair during this whole story, given that these are people who I know and on the whole have a great deal of respect for. And I have spoken to a lot of the current presenters at Talk, who's say that their silence is not a commentary on the fact that they don't want Mike Graham to return. It's the fact that they think it is much more likely that if they do stay silent at this point, he will return. I'm not sure I agree with that. By the way, if you don't know what has seen the station suspend the highest rated presenter. Let me just take you through the controversy.

see on Sunday night, this post ended up on Mike Graham's Facebook and Instagram. Compare and contrast. Tell me we're not fucked by multicultural bollocks. Why are we surrounded by non-white people just fuck off? Aide Ola Depot, the talk sport presenter, then wrote, just being sent that now deleted Instagram post from Mike Graham. I usually hold my tongue with most of the racist nonsense science here on social media, but this is beyond violent unacceptable from.

someone in the same building as me, same floor. He simply has to be taken off the air immediately by Talk TV, horrible man. So panic ensued behind the scenes, and an immediate investigation was launched by NewsUK, prompting Mike Graham's hostage video apology, where he then posted on Sunday night my Facebook was accessed and a vile message was posted on my page without my knowledge. It contained words that I would never write and an opinion I don't share. As soon as I found out, I immediately deleted the post. post and have taken steps to ensure my cyber security is enhanced. Obviously, I am mortified that

such a post could have gone out in my name and am now attempting to find out how it could have happened. I am equally very sorry for any distress it has caused to anyone. And at that point, Mike Graham went from hosting his show as normal on Monday to on Tuesday, his best mate Jeremy Kyle being there instead. Watch. Welcome back to Morning Glory. It's coming up to three minutes past six. It is Monday morning, the 20th of October. We're not down. We're going. We're still going. Yeah, it's called radio. You know, wind it up. Well, my friends, a very good morning. What is it? Honest to God, it's very early. It's Tuesday, the 21st of October. It's J.K. for M.G. Don't panic if you're waking up. The main man just having today away. But we are here.

very soon on talk. I nearly said dry, but it's actually morning glory. Cheers. Hey, very, very good morning to you. What is it Wednesday the 22nd of October, JK on morning glory till 10 o'clock. Thanks for tuning in. And you wouldn't believe it. Today, it was Mark Dolan who was filling in for Mike Graham. So, there you go. The same time of loyalty he showed me. What is interesting, though, and I say this, by the way, as a friend of Mike Graham, I think he's a great guy. But Mike has conducted some very unfortunate wars against people on our side over the past couple of years. And I don't think that's been good for him now. For example, the Lotus Eater's. And Mike previously wrote

of the Lotus Eater's team, specifically Bo Dade, I am a big shot, your nobody, have some respect you little twit, then maybe you can get in the queue. So Bo Dade has now responded and can you blame him saying Mike Graham is a big shot in the Dole Q. And there's also been a lot of concern about some of Mike Graham's earlier attempts to deny the fact that there is serious demographic change going on in the United Kingdom. A lot of it was spawned by this video. Can you tell me how somebody next door to you has been replaced by somebody else? Have you got a theory on that?

Yes, it's on the ONS. No. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, I'm looking for actual evidence. You're telling me that people are being replaced. Can you tell me of any friends of yours who have been taken away and replaced? Do you know what the word replace means? It means taking something away and replacing it with something else.

Do you understand what that actually means? You have no evidence that anyone's being replaced, do you? And according to what these demographic experts are predicting. Oh, it's a prediction. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was a prediction. I thought you were telling me that people were actually acting. being replaced now?

Yeah, it's called the replacement plan. It's on the United States. Oh, right. So when does the plan kick in? When does it start? I think it started a while ago. Did it? Wow.

So you mean there's already loads of people that have been replaced in South End then? Yeah. Right, okay. So do you know anyone that's disappeared in South End? Because this is a great story now. I'm thinking that we should get into it. But, you know, Mike has been great

right up until last week on certain issues. Watch. Pakistani community and the F.A., says Anna, in Surrey. And Louise says, good morning, Mike. Louis from Itzsche, which Aston Villa might as well have put up a sign saying no Jews allowed. This is blatant anti-Semitism. I'm frankly ashamed of Aston Villa. I'm ashamed of Birmingham.

I'm ashamed of the police in Birmingham. These people have no business in our country. And this bloke, Ayub Khan, whoever he is, should go back to Pakistan and practice his anti-Semitism somewhere where people appreciate it because we certainly do not. And the thing is, of course, it is possible to still really respect someone as a broadcast. I mean, I think Mike is an incredible broadcaster. I listen to his show. You know, his show was the show that I would listen to on talk.

I haven't been listening since Mike has gone. But if you're someone like Tommy Robinson who Mike has attacked, you obviously feel differently about this story. And I understand there are two sides to it. So this was Tommy's response. Hold on. Mike, what's going on? For years, you've condemned me as a racist,

and you've just lost your job. Who's that? Mike, you know, some fat dude who does talk radio and talk TV. For years, all he ever does is use his platform, and every time he talks about me, he condemns me as that far right racist. He's got drunk, and he? He's got pissed up, posted loads of racist stuff.

His true feelings come out. You were masking. You were fucking, it's brilliant. Gordon. He's got time to exercise now. Do you want to drop of us, Mike? No, mate. Don't employ racists. And now Connor Tomlinson, who is here today, has had his own. Very similar running with Mike Graham. So just before I get Connor's response, let me just remind you what happened. This was a couple of years ago in a conversation about the World Economic Forum. And Connor posted directly to Mike. You couldn't be more wrong on this. Here's Peter Cardwell and I discussing the policy. plans for a global digital ID, a cashless society and a social credit system. World Economic Forum are as unaccountable and influential as the EU we should discuss sometime. So pretty reasonable, I would say, but Mike responded saying, Connor, listen and learn. You're a nobody.

No one cares what you think. You'll never debate me. You're not clever enough. Goodbye. And so Connor then published a direct message exchange between the pair, where he wrote, Evening, Mike, saw today's show in the clips that have stirred up a storm online, give Aaron a text earlier about this, gave Aaron a text earlier about this, that's his former producer. I spoke about the audio economy forum with Peter Cardwell a few weeks back. Could be useful to discern the kooky conspiracy theories from the actual bad policies they propose in a radio segment sometime, all the best, Connor. Mike replied, don't bother, mate. You're not qualified, and you'll never get anywhere

trying to belittle my arguments. Bye. And then when Connor was involved, in a bit of a back, in a bit of a toe-to-toe with Reform UK deputy leader, Richard Tice. Mike also weighed in, this was more recent, saying Tomlinson is a moron, ignore. So Conner Tomlinson joins me now. Connor, look, I've really tried to be fair on this story because I know what it's like to go through this type of cancellation. I know what it's like when your colleagues stay silent. I know what it's like when there's a pile on, when your, you know, livelihood is threatened. And pretty much here I'm with Katie Hopkins, right.

But I do also understand why there's a whole load of you lining up, saying, well, Mike didn't treat us particularly well. So what's your view on the story, given the context that I've just explained? The reason I haven't said anything about this, Dan, isn't just because I've been away for a little while. because Mike has me blocked, so he doesn't even come up on my feed anymore. But it's because, one, I don't want to be seen as doing our enemies bidding for them by dogpiling on him at a time where he is being axed. Two, I haven't wanted to comment because, well, beyond the idea that Mike's story saying his Facebook was hacked seems a little bit dubious, hey, maybe he could surprise us and as happened

when an ex-girlfriend broke into my Facebook account, he could produce the exact date and time and location of where the Facebook account was hacked. Because actually, if you, if meta provides you with the login locations if someone else has gotten into your account. So that would prove whether or not, of course, he was hacked. Otherwise, there could be the assumption as when he went after me late on a Wednesday night back in 2022,

that he's just had a bit too much to drink and sort of fat-thumbed it. So that's also possible. So that's the reason I didn't want to comment because obviously it's nebulous. about that. But the third reason I didn't want to comment was because be careful who you shit on from a great height. Because Mike had absolutely no reason to be rude to me way back when. He had no reason to hang on to that for two years and then chime in when Richard Tice decided to call my article predicting actually the exile of Rupert Lowe from the party about five months before it happened, garbage, twice. Mike had no reason to be rude to me in public or private.

And conspicuously, after that initial spat with Mike in 2022, I was then by. blacklisted by a talk producer and had to get another host to lift it because he was shocked that I had been blacklisted and said this isn't company policy. I don't know what's going on. No, I don't know if that was Mike. It could just well be. I said something very stupid the station didn't like. But ever since the blacklist has been lifted, I've been a pretty consistent regular on there and was just asked on earlier in the week. I just couldn't do the spot. So the reason that the lotus eaters have spoken out against Mike is because he's been disparaging against them. The reason I haven't spoken out in favor of Mike because he's been needlessly rude to me. And the reason that, Generally, people don't consider Mike one of ours, or on the right, as you've said, Dan, is because he's poo-poohed demographic replacement of the English, which is undeniably going on. Remember, that segment was in 2021, the same year the census proved, that London is now a third English, totally unacceptable, while at the same time having a completely different double standard for Israel, and saying, well, you know, anti-Semitism, that's a total nadir.

It's totally beyond the pale. We couldn't possibly do that. But if the English don't exist in their own country anymore, well, if you notice that, you're a racist. I'm happy to be quite consistent. to have the same standard for Israel as I am England, which is that if the Jews were to no longer be a demographic majority and in political power in Israel, it would no longer be Israel. Same thing with the English. And Mike Graham's consistent attempt to gatekeep concerns about demographics, about the undue influence of the world economic form on our politics, and to pull the ladder up after himself when some of us are just trying to say plain spoken truths on broadcast media means that he is, well, you might have him in high esteem, Dan, but frankly, I'm not going to cry any tears over him losing his job. No, and I do understand that. And as I say, I've tried to be fair on this because while I really personally do like Mike and love listening to him, I have been horrified by some of the attacks that he's launched on people like you

and people like Tommy Robinson and people like The Lotus Eater. So I'm trying to be really fair on this. I do think what's really bad, though, and remember I say this is someone who is there in 2020 is the civil war between talk TV and talk sport, which has gone. woke, right? So this was Talk Sport back in the BLM days, as we, on Talk Radio,

tried to actually have a sane conversation. They fully bought the narrative. Be able to help all those who don't understand the Black Lives Matter movement. If you're fired up about it and you shout back, well, all lives matter or white lives matter as well,

then please just stop for a second. Take a listen to this. Hopefully, it will help you. And so when I speak about the Civil War, Connor, it's actually the talk sport presenters and producers, not the talk radio or the talk TV presenters that are trying to force Mike out. And this was explained, I mean, I had already reported this, but it was explained very well to the Daily Express, who actually quoted an insider from Talk Sport, and it's worth me just reading out what they said, Connor, I'll get you to respond. So they said, it's like Civil

War has broken out on the shop floor. What the public don't understand is that Talk Sport and talk radio are very different channels in the same building on the same floor. At sport, we have people of all different colours working alongside each other peacefully. We're one big happy team and the bosses at News UK know that. But at Talk Radio, their agenda and output is highly charged to make migrants and minorities feel like the enemy. The fact that Mike Graham can post some of the trash he does normally and nobody in senior management has told him off before is a disgrace, but his Facebook posted is the last straw.

none of us at TalkSport want to work with him. Why would we want to work with a man who says to the things he says? In order for the talk radio presenters to get to their studio, they have to walk through the TalkSport section of the office and we don't want him there anymore. Just look at the presenter lineups at both stations and tell me you don't see the difference. We have big names like Darren Bent and Gabby Ublohor. Why should they have to share a workspace with Mike Graham after what he said? If Danny Morris, the head of both stations, protects his good friend Mike Graham,

there will be a civil war in this place. So, Connor, what the talk sport presenters are attempting to do is use this to essentially kill off talk. And I've got a bit of insight on that, Connor, because there are now real fears within talk that the manager will end up using Mike Graham's departure just to kill off the station altogether. Ratings are down 12% in the most recent radio figures they've now been overtaken by G. news, even on the radio airwaves. And they just don't want this type of hassle.

Yeah, Dan, but if this were Kevin or Julia or Alex or Ian or Peter Carver or anyone else has treated me with any courtesy, I'll be a lot more sympathetic. Or if it were anyone who's been consistent on this issue, I'd be sympathetic. Because those may not remember who weren't avid listeners of talk radio back in the day. But my first segment on talk was actually with Kevin O'Sullivan's, what landed me in my original Tomlinson talk segment on the station. And it was talking about the fact that the FAA we're going to continue taking the knee in football for BLM in 2021. And we spoke about the assertity of it and how that taking the knee is a gesture of fealty. It shows your subservience. And you should only, as Dominic Rab actually once said pretty well,

take the knee for your king, your country or your wife. And so if you're taking the knee to black people as a whole, it's saying, I'm white, I'm guilty, I'm racist, therefore to have power over me. Mike Graham, though, Mike Graham after the, I think it was the Euros that year, final, when Saka missed the penalty, and lots of messages came out apparently on Instagram, making unfavourable comparisons to monkeys and quite racist comments, which often turned out to be from Russia and Saudi Arabia, by the way. Mike Graham went on the radio the next day and said, yeah, you know what? Anyone who's found to be guilty of this should have their identity put out there should be thrown in prison for making racist statements. We don't want racists in this country,

but bye. Mike, you total moron, you said that people should be locked up for comments that the ruling regime find to be racist. Well, now you're on the receiving end of accusations of racism, you can't cry foul. You should never have tried to cancel people in the first place, and now it's come back and bit you in the ass. So, yeah, I wouldn't be in favor, of course, of people using this situation to cynically exploit it and shut down talk, because I like appearing on talk and I like the people that appear on talk, and I think it's an important station to have, Dan. But if they get shout down over this, you know who's to blame? Mike Graham.

breaking right now an astonishing cover-up at the spectator as its left-wing new editor Michael Gove yes that Michael Gove Mr Lockdown Michael Gove refuses to release the footage of a debate between Connor Tomlinson, host of Tomlinson talks on YouTube who will be here very shortly to reveal what's really going on with this, and Catherine Berblecich, the head of the Michaela School. And this debate was moderated by Michael Gove himself

after he lobbied for it to happen. So let me take you through the story and reveal how we got here in the first place. Connor revealed on X. I filmed a debate today about immigration, integration, British identity with Catherine Berbel Singh and Michael Gove. It will be out by Friday. As promised by Gove, it will not be edited. Nothing I said will be censored. I think you're all really going to enjoy it. Now, when I saw that post, and I'd been at CPAC in Australia with Conner before this debate,

and I thought, God, Gove's going to be monstered here and he doesn't know what he's getting into. And sure enough, when I saw that post, I thought, Connor clearly has suspicions that Gove doesn't want this to go public. And sure enough, that's exactly what then transpired. Conner later posted important update. I filmed an immigration debate with Michael Gove and Catherine Berbel Singh last month. Gove has banned the footage from being released. I've been told by spectator's staff it's because of decisions made by the senior editors. I thought it was a great discussion. I said my views, Catherine said hers, Gove said his, both Catherine and I want this released. Why not let the audience decide. And then he revealed a preview of the contents of the debate. Gove began the debate by

describing me as provocative and asked if I was unnerved by the Michaela School's success. I asked Gove why his government let millions of immigrants in when we voted against it. I asked Gove while he has a double standard for England, multicultural liberal and Israel nationalist. We argued whether any faith other than Christian or ethnicity beside British should be allowed in government or the civil service. Gove said I occupy a very narrow space. on the fringe of politics. I said, I am as much a product of his 14 years in government as Catherine's school. Catherine and I debated what multiculturalism means and whether integration will ever succeed. She agreed with me that Gove's version of British values is useless.

Catherine said her school is as Christian as you can get without actually being Christian. I disagreed and said the families and religions of the students will have more influence over their lives than her well-intentioned efforts. I agreed to visit the Michaela's school. Michael offered to come with us and film it for The Spectator. Gove ended the recording, can you believe this, by saying, we at the Spectator, believe in free speech? Apparently not. The debate was scheduled because I wrote a piece in the critic

after the now in England conference arguing against Robert Toom's comments that the Michaela School allows Muslim girls to learn to be English. Now, what's very fascinating is when you look through how the debate was actually set up, is that it was Gove who really was pressing for this and after the debate was filmed Gove actually emailed

both Connor and Catherine making it clear that he was planning a clever up he wrote Dear Connor and Catherine thank you both for coming into the studio for our conversation I appreciate both of you taking the time

as I'm sure you appreciate it's my responsibility as editor to decide on and take responsibility for material that appears in the Spectator. I'm reviewing the broadcast at the moment and I hope you can bear with me before I can update you further with every good wish. So Connor knew what was happening. He knew what was coming. And he very quickly replied back to Michael Gove, saying, Michael, I appreciate the update it as I have lots of friends looking forward to watching this when it comes out. It was a robust discussion. I'm sure spectator viewers will tear me to shreds in the comments. Catherine and I

were saying we both enjoyed it on the walk back to Westminster Station. I will make good on accepting the offer to visit the school when we can arrange it. Megan also said I could upload the footage to my own YouTube channel a week after the Spectator has released it, given I originally set up the conversation between myself and Catherine just for my YouTube before you requested to moderate it. I'm off on my delayed honeymoon as of Sunday, so if I could get a link to a Google drive or Dropbox just to schedule the upload before I go, that would be much appreciated. If there are any editorial reservations about posting the footage, I would ask that it be

considered that I did set this conversation up prior to allowing the Spectator to post it, that I cut short a working trip to Australia and flew back for 24 hours the day prior so we could film it and that I didn't ask to be paid for expenses to be covered. It's all because I thought it would be worthwhile and it was. I think it is an important conversation. I'm very glad we had it, no matter the reception to what I said online. It was great fun intellectually robust and made me think on the spot. It covered the topics at the political fault line right now given the contents of Labor Party conference. You signed off the recording with your commitment to free speech and discourse, I would hope we can all honour that in good faith, both during and after the

debate. If it doesn't meet spectator expectations, for whatever reason, I would ask to at least have our agreement on it. And I be given the footage to upload to YouTube. But I would hope that you see the value in it as much as Catherine and I did. I think the audience will respect your willingness to have me on and grill me about our disagreements after our exchange on X. regards Conor Tomlinson. But of course, now there is a major cover-up going on. The footage has not been released. For all we know, it may have been destroyed.

And Connor Tomlinson is quite rightly, I think, completely furious about this, saying the integrity of the debate matters more than whatever the public perception is. I'll be criticised for what I said. I don't care. Release the full. Let the people decide. And Connor Tomlinson joins me now. So Connor, this is quite clearly a cover-up

by Michael Gove. Quite clearly you destroyed him in that debate because how on earth can he justify the Boris Wave and the mass immigration that took place over his time in government? You know, when he was in the cabinet, when he could have made a real difference. But what are you going to do about this because the spectator clearly owned this footage and they don't want to release it. I mean, I'm desperate to see it. This stinks of a cover-up, but is there anything you can do to secure this footage? So it's a fair bit to go through there, Dan. First of all, I must make it clear.

I don't know why Gove hasn't released this. The speculation can be left to the public based on the excerpts that I was able to recall and quote in my initial posts on X there. And judging by the response to that post, which garnered well over half a million views and lots of people, including yourself, Carl Benjamin, there's trust, etc., calling for the footage to be released. There's clearly a public interest in it being out there.

So I would say that I might wonder whether or not Gove was unhappy with his performance or said something that he thought he shouldn't have, especially when Catherine and I, turns out, agreed on a lot more she was expecting. We actually came into the debate. Catherine, I hope she doesn't take offence me saying this, she was a bit highly strong and she wondered whether or not at the outset that I was calling for her deportation just because she's not ethnically English. And I said, no, I don't take that position. I'm not that unfair, I would say. I think we have a system of national tribalism where we let our friends stay and we make our enemies leave. And she was actually convinced

by that particular line of argument, whereas Michael Gove was not. Hence why she said that Michael Gove's version of British values is basically bollocks. So I do wonder whether or not Gove's debate performance or his fear that his inability to answer my questions sufficiently on things like Raiku or integration or why a number of conservative politicians that he advocated were championing, importing many people that they share an ethnic background with like Pretty Patel and Rishi Sunak. I wonder if, in fact, he felt that he didn't answer. those questions sufficiently and he would have been shellacked by the spectator viewers in the comments because his appointment as editor has been met with mixed receptions, let's put it that way, especially considering he endorsed Kamala Harris as the first thing he did as spectator editor. Regarding whether or not the spectator owned the footage, technically the only agreement we had in writing,

because I didn't sign a single contract, was that I would be provided the footage as a condition for me of participating. Allow me to make it very, very clear. If I have knew that the footage would not be released by the spectator and would not be provided to me as was written and as was agreed before participating in the debate, I would not have done it. I would have simply reverted to my original plan that I organized privately with Catherine Berble Singh on the 6th and 7th of July to just book out the studio I used to use for my show and sit down with her with multiple cameras and just discuss. It was Michael Gover actually got wind of this, presumably because Catherine mentioned it to him

in an offhand comment and asked to act as umpire, thereby making himself fair game for criticism by participating in the debate. If I knew Gove or anyone at the spectator would block this from release, I would never have allowed the spectator to do it in the first place. Bear in mind, I could have, considering I have a decent audience on YouTube and I am monetized, pocketed all the proceeds from any of the views here. But I also agreed to allow them to have a seven-day exclusivity window to make all of the money off of presumably the monetized video that they would have had up first and didn't ask to be paid. or compensated because, gauging by the public interest, I thought it would be important to have this

conversation. So, is there anything I can do about this? Allow me to say that I am exploring all possible avenues, and if legal action is required to procure this footage and to uphold the end of the agreement on the spectator side that we agreed prior to filming it, I am willing to pursue it. Currently exploring the prospects. Good. Because what makes me sick, Connor, and I know you said, look, it's had huge engagement on X and yes, those of us in the alternative media space have spoken out about this. But what makes me sick, Connor, and this is what people need to realize, is that the tentacles of Gove and his gatekeepers like Paul Marshall, they run through so many organizations like unheard and G.B. News and connections at the Daily Telegraph. And so what that

means is there are so many people who should be horrified by this and who should be speaking out against this, but they're not because there is such a weakness. There is such a fundamental weakness on the right of British politics and the right of the British media. And it does make me sick. It honestly does. Like this is just, to me, such a scandal and something that should be being covered on GB News and talk TV and written about in the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail. But of course it's not because so many of those people are compromised and they're compromised because of where they get their money from and it does make me sick and the thing is gover's not an appropriate editor for the spectator he was never an appropriate editor for the spectator this is a guy who's on the

left who has been wrong on so many fronts and as you say the first decision that he made as editor of the spectator was to endorse carmala harris i mean how utterly utterly appalling and i just say to everyone think about this. Speak out against this. Don't be so gutless. But unfortunately when it comes to people's pocket books and when it comes to the fact that they need those

commissions from the spectator because it's still viewed as this highly influential magazine, they say nothing. I mean come on like Douglas Murray Rod Little, they will be horrified by this type of censorship. Well I do know

some people who write for the Spectator, who I spoke to about this, and they were annoyed about this, but I think for reasons of wanting to continue to be published by The Spectator, they didn't say anything about it. And look, I understand it. I actually have no personal beef with people that work at The Spectator. As far as I know, I can only lay the blame on Gove here, because he has final editorial say, according to his own email. Everyone I corresponded with during the process of trying to get answers from Gove, trying to squeeze blood from a stone, metaphorically speaking,

because he didn't even respond to Catherine Burbill-Sing's email that she sent to him, despite them being friends. Everyone I corresponded within this stead was very courteous, so I don't wish to disparate a spectator as an outlet. It's just being currently misled. There's the thing. Of course there are. But they have an editor who clearly does not believe in free speech.

Can I give one prominent example that I haven't publicized yet, please, Dan? Please. I have friends that work at the Free Speech Union. And so, as a member of the Free Speech Union, because we all pretty much are at this point, because we'll have free speech insurance. I mean, after all, the reason this entire debate came about is because Pete North, the man who was arrested in the dead of night for an anti-Hamas meme, actually tweeted my article about the now in England conference, and he got into a back and forth in Berbilsing, prompting me to speak to Catherine.

I asked the Free Speech Union if they would intervene in this, because clearly it's a matter of free speech. Gove said he's committed to free speech. It's one of the oldest and premier outlets on the right. for which, obviously, Toby Young, the head of the Free Speech Union, writes, and I was told this one isn't for us. Terrible, but can I just say, I am not at all surprised. And it's not something I've spoken about before, mainly because I think, on the whole, the Free Speech Union is such a force for good. Yes.

But unfortunately, when it comes to the media, and I know this through my own prison, when myself and Father Calvin Robinson and Lawrence Fox went through what we did at GB News, which I believe was an issue of free speech, certainly the free speech union, shall we say, knows what side its bread is buttered on. And so that's all I'm going to say. I think the free speech union does a very, very good job, but that's terrible that they're not taking up the case here because this is so clearly a matter of free speech. So, Michael Gove, release the footage.

Just release the footage. What are you afraid of? What the hell are you afraid of? Let us make our own decision. Okay? Seriously. You're a government minister. For God's sake.

Are you that scared of being destroyed by Connor Tomlinson? Well, I think the answer to that is yes, unless we see the tapes. Developing today, the hard. attempt to use the growing royal family scandal involving Prince Andrew to bring down the British monarchy. And the mainstream media is allowing them to do so. So the playbook was revealed by the hard left head of Jeremy Corbyn's new Islamist party, Zara Sultanah, who wrote, don't just abolish Prince Andrews' titles abolish the monarchy. And the mainstream media who, quite extraordinarily,

continued to give the hard, hard left anti-white racist Norinda Corp, a platform, despite banning virtually anyone from the right to appear, was allowed to go on the Vanessa Feltz show and claim that King Charles and Prince William have broken the law. Watch. Let's be honest, what's the king done? He's done nothing. He's uninvited him at Christmas.

That's it. The fact is, there needs to be a full criminal investigation into the whole royal family. Who paid off the 12 million? They've silenced... It's not a criminal act to have paid off the 12 million. No, you've silenced a victim of sexual abuse. But it's not a criminal act to do that.

You know, you can't... But you cannot make sweeping allegations about things that you don't know. that you don't know anything about. My point to do anything, if he doesn't think he did anything wrong. The monarchy is an institution of this country. We can't have a country that is against child abuse and sex trafficking. But at the same time, a monarchy that things are above the law.

They are not above the law. They are complicit. They did pay off 12 million. We need to know who paid that off. We need to know what the king knew. He could be a witness to criminality. We need to know what William knew. All they're bothered about is protecting their image.

We need to protect victims of abuse. This is so important because we're not a democracy otherwise. How can we call ourselves a democracy? If he is involved, if he's not involved, but surely there needs to be some questioning. He refused to go to America and be questioned by the FBI. Now, that's outrageous. Now, the police are saying they're getting involved

because he used taxpayers-funded money to find out social security. Yes, fine. So that's Texas. There's a lot there, Vanessa. Yeah, but just because you decree that something's against the law doesn't mean it is against the law, Narinda, and certainly the whole point of all the machinations and manoeuvres have been to somehow

keep him outside that scrutiny. But what about accountability? Well, what about accountability? I mean, that's an excellent question. Conner Tonnenson, host of Tonneson talks on YouTube with me now. Connor, look, this is why I've tried to cover the Prince Andrews story in recent weeks without hysteria. Because I absolutely knew what the dishonest, hard leftists were going to do with the same. story. I knew what the mainstream media were going to do with the story, eventually turn it into attempt to put republicanism back on the table to try and bring down the British monarchy. And I think we saw a great example of it there with Narenda Kaur repeating her assertion without any backup whatsoever that there is potentially criminality here from King Charles and Prince William. I mean,

we don't even know, Connor, that there is actually criminality with Prince Andrew. And I don't say that, By the way, to defend the actions of the Duke of York no longer using the title, because I don't. I've never defended his actions, right? I was at news of the world back in 2011 when we were the first to reveal the picture of him with Jeffrey Epstein in Central Park. But what I have always tried to do in the story is bring in the facts and the fact that there are two sides to the story, the fact that Virginia Dufre is not a credible character that she has lied multiple times about multiple people,

including Alan Dershowitz, by the way, the top US lawyer who she had to withdraw a claim against, and that she's even being sued, and her estate is now being sued, by another one of Epstein's victims who she lied about. Now, again, I stress, that is not to say that Prince Andrew didn't lie. His conduct was absolutely appalling.

But I fear, Connor, that what is happening now with this story is that the facts don't matter at all. And there is a hysterical march by the left and by the mainstream media, which will end up in the Republican movement being empowered. Where do you stand on all of this? Well, you're a royalist, Dan, and I'm a monarchist, so I think we're both frustrated by this.

I think the main problem here lies with the royal family itself in that they haven't comported themselves in such a way that wins favor with the public. Narinda Kaur represents a particularly resentful faction of race communists. Aras Sultan has been doing the same thing on X in the last few days. She was told to go to Qatar and also lobby for the abolition of monarchy there. And she goes, you idiot, I'm a Republican because she's a global race communist. So I'll do that everywhere safely with parliamentary privilege sat behind her phone.

Of course, so as far as the royal family manufacturing consent for these types of racial grievance mongers who hate literally everything about Britain's history and wants to tear down all of our institutions, they probably shouldn't allow Prince Andrew to creep around with the dark cloud that he has the institution itself. He should just be basically excommunicated in every way possible. And then King Charles should stop trying to appease these hostile client groups by constantly speaking in Arabic and wishing everyone a happy Ramadan. All he's doing is trying to play umpire between the two groups, one that is more likely to support him, which is the English, wider British people for whom they recognise England must always have a king

and therefore the institution is filled with some sort of reverence, they feel a great sentiment towards the pomp and ceremony of both the coronation and the Queen's funeral, and also he's trying to modernise the monarchy to make it multicultural and defend all faiths and appease all of the various hostile client groups that have been imported into Britain's major cities and now are given a platform, thanks to off-com regulation, to agitate for the monarchy's abolition and are paid handsomely to do so. And I think the crown just needs to double down on taking the side of its own people who want to see the institution both remain and restored to its former glory. Otherwise, I think it's one last comment, if I may, I think it's

pretty conspicuous that you can, if you are of a certain political persuasion, of a certain ethnic extraction, of a certain set of religions from the Indian subcontinent, that you can sit there and make up any allegation about anyone, whether it's calling folks like me and you, racist or whether it's accusing sitting monarchs of criminality and face absolutely no consequences or repercussions for your career for doing so. 100%. Totally. And, you know, I'm a free speech, well, pretty close to a free speech absolutist, really.

So I'm not calling for her to be de-platformed or the off-communist to investigate. But you just know, you just know if this role was reversed, Connor, there would be complete and utter outrage. What do you make of the king and the Pope? Because of course, there are traditionalists within the Church of England who say, actually, this was yet another great religious betrayal by the monarch who has seemed to care about Ramadan more than Easter and is now praying with the Pope. I mean, I'm Catholic myself, so I'm very interested in it. But it just is odd, isn't it, that Charles does seem to want big stunts involving other faiths.

Yeah, I think, given I'm also Catholic, Dan, we're a bit biased here. However, I'm actually more frustrated probably than the Anglicans are that the king is praying with a Catholic. I think that, you know, they should get their own house in order given the new Archbishop of Canterbury is, she's literally declared herself subversive and also is a woman, so pretty bad. and the last Archbishop of Canterbury, when he wasn't borderline running interference for child predators within the church, was yet again wishing people happy Ramadan more than he was doing his Easter sermon. So I think the Anglican Church has his own problems. But rather than just saying, you know, rather than just saying, I want the monarchy to be Catholic, which would be nice.

You know, I don't recognise the legitimacy of Henry the 8th's divorce court. I'd quite like the Catholic Church to be Catholic as well, because have you seen what Pope Louis has been saying recently. He's been praying over a block of ice like it's some kind of pagan cabala. And also he's been complaining about the Trump administration's approach to immigration. saying, according to some vague piece of Catholic social teaching that he's pulled out of his backside, that you don't get to have a country anymore because multiple people from around the third world wants a job opportunity, which means they're just going to take from America's dwindling largesse. So I would rather he stuck to the Gospels, stuck to the Bible, recognized that the first, frankly, definable nation was Israel that established itself as a nation within the landmass of Egypt.

And so, therefore, countries come from peoples, and peoples have the right to determine what other tribes they will allow within their own borders, and therefore we don't have to throw our borders open and subject our historical and all of our traditions and our religion to complete replacement by hostile foreigners who don't like us very much. And speaking of hostile foreigners who don't like us very much, if I may finish on one final point, Dan, I'm not a free speech absolutist.

I actually believe in only extending the principles of the Englishman's liberty to speak his mind and say what he please to people who also believe in that. And you're right, if it were, the shoe wear on the other, a foot, Narindicoor will be calling for us to not just be de-platformed, but imprisoned. And so clearly, she doesn't believe in free speech. And so if we were in a game of Monopoly and she was stealing from the bank, I wouldn't let her continue to pass go.

I wouldn't give her a get-out-jail-free card. I tell her to leave the game. And so if she were to be de-platformed for making these, well, what could be defamatory and false statements about the royal family, yet again, wouldn't shed a tear. It is interesting, isn't it? For me, I just want consistency. And that's the thing. There is no consistency.

see there is no free speech for people like us as your battle with Michael Gove proves. But keep us across it, Connor, and we'll keep following you on X. But of course, to watch, hopefully that debate at some point, you're going to have to subscribe to the brilliant Tomlinson Talks, which is Connor's show on YouTube. Connor, thank you so much. We will speak next week. And now it's time to reveal the worst Britain in the world this week.

week, a reminder of your nominees. These are taken from our union jackassers from across the week. On Monday, for very obvious reasons, it was Sarah Ferguson, the former Duchess of York. On Tuesday, it was Prince Andrew for very similar reasons. On Wednesday, Jess Phillips for her extraordinary handling of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang inquiry and the cause for her to quit. And on Thursday, Bushra Sheikh for really ignoring lots of other conflicts in the the world which don't fit her political narrative. So I want to get to some of your feedback. Amanda Orr wrote what Chess Phillips has said. And the way she has lied in Parliament is so abhorrent and absolutely unforgivable. Much respect to the survivors of the rape gangs for standing up

and resigning. They've been through enough, which I can't even begin to imagine. They deserve nothing but 100% justice and they need to be listened to and heard. Dave O. 6368 said, I have all always said that Sarah Ferguson as an ex-wife of Andrew had stayed on the scene because she has always known what he's been up to. Nearly every divorced couple go their own way. The royal family had been a meal ticket for her from day one. The king should allow his brother to face justice, but he won't because this could bring their complete downfall. And Susan Young 6331 said the very fact that Fergie has not been utterly horrified and repelled by Andrew's unsavory, perhaps illegal sex exploits and appetites, all while raising two young daughters, a woman who couldn't

even recognize the disgusting criminality of Epstein and brought her adult daughters to visit him when he was released from prison, who basically bowed and scraped him because she was indebted to him, shows her incredible intolerance for the intolerable. I used, sorry, incredible tolerance for the intolerable. I used to think that for all her financial ineptitude and her indiscretion, she was still a good mum, I have completely changed her mind. She and Andrew were terrible parents, and it's a wonder these girls have turned out as well as they seem to have. So all of that said, I place Andrew at the top of the list with Fergie sharing the honours. As public figures, they have to be held to a higher standard and certainly no longer deserve any titles, honours or real estate afforded them by

virtue of being a member of the royal family. This drama is going to have a profound impact on the institution. They need to get their passports in order, pack up the teddy bears, and go and live. in exile. JGC says wherever Andrew is on the list, I'd take something major to top him. King Charles has shown weakness time and again, not telling Andrew to do one and stripping his titles, he should set aside for William now. So very, very strong views from you, which I expected. Let's go to the results.

In fourth position with 3% of the vote, Sarah Ferguson. In third position, with 13% of the vote, Bushra Shake. The runner-up with 35% of the vote, Prince Andrew, but the worst Britain in the world this week, taking 50% of your vote, Jess Phillips, the safeguarding minister for her appalling handling of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. And we always knew with her in charge it was going to be a cover-up because look at her seat, look at her seat. she knows she's probably going to lose her seat at the next election because of the Muslim vote,

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