Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON ATTACKS "SCUM" STARMER, JESS PHILLIPS & OWEN JONES OVER LABOUR'S COVER UP

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Get 25% Off @goPure with code DAN at https://www.gopurebeauty.com/DAN #goPurepod Breaking today: Tommy Robinson has launched a furious attack on Slippery Starmer, Jess Phillips, Nick Lowles of Hope N...ot Hate and Owen Jones, as the UK’s Labour establishment have finally been exposed for the historic cover up of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. And all of a sudden GB News, which has banned Tommy from day one and seen its star presenters brand him a racist and white supremacist, now wants to talk about him. Dan's reaction to the devastating 197-page Casey report and the cover up of Britain’s rape gangs in a special Digest. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Alex Phillips of the That’s What She Said Substack and Emma Dunwell of the excellent independent news outlet Resistance GB. PLUS: A civil war at BBC Breakfast involving Naga Munchetty and Charlie Stayt, among a host of physical and verbal bullying claims on the crisis-plagued daytime news programme. AND: A very sad day here at Outspoken. We’ll mark the death of TV legend, the Queen of Clean and Dan's favourite Outspoken guest ever Kim Woodburn who has died after a short illness aged 83. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle gives her longest interview yet, demanding the truth be revealed about her in a 90-minute podcast with Kardashian ally Emma Greedee. But Dan says she should be careful what she wishes for. Our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin has watched this latest car crash so you don’t have to and we’ll bring you all the lowlights. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:23 get to the news today. Because breaking right now, Tommy Robinson has launched a furious attack on slippery star, Jess Phillips, Nick Lolls of hope not hate and Owen Jones. As the UK's labor establishment have finally been exposed for the historic coverup of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. historic cover-up of the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal. Livedly hoods, lost their reputations, smeared, attacked, violently attacked, imprisoned. So many people, all from start to finish, to cover up the dirty hands of politicians and police leaders who allowed this. They allowed it.
Starting point is 00:02:18 They covered it up. And all of a sudden GB News, which has banned Tommy Robinson from day one and seen at Star presenters brand him a racist and white supremacist, now seem to want to talk about him. The Guardian was at even worse. What they were saying was we think it's disgusting that people like Robinson and Mark Steen and the rest of them were all saying this kind of stuff. Right. So my reaction to the devastating 197 page Casey report and the cover-up of Britain's rape gangs in the digest. Then the superstar panel weigh in. Today Alex Phillips of That's What She Said on Substack and Emma Dunwell of the excellent independent news outlet Resistance GB.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Also coming up on the show today, a civil war at BBC Breakfast involving Naga Monchetti and Charlie State among a host of physical and verbal bullying claims on the crisis-plagued daytime news programme. And it's a very sad day here at Outspoken. We're gonna mark the death of TV legend the Queen of Clean and I have to say my favorite outspoken guest ever Kim Woodburn who has died after a short illness aged just 83. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack Meghan Markle gives her longest interview yet demanding the truth be revealed about her in a 90 minute podcast with Kardashian ally Emma Greedy. Angela Levin and I have watched this latest car crash so you don't have to. We will bring you all of the lowlights over on Substack www.outspoken.live register right now and join the Outspoken Revolution. Because we're back live it also means the return
Starting point is 00:04:18 of our Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. Your nominees for UJ today. Jess Phillips nominated by Karen Hanke for raising a smile and laugh when the KC report was being discussed. I'm going to show you that video in just one moment. Yvette Cooper nominated by the GRIFT report who says she should resign over the Pakistani grooming gang cover-up and them trying to blame the far right and now admitting it was a cover-up. And Emily Maitlis nominated by Trooper237 who says she owes Rupert Lowe a massive apology for calling him racist.
Starting point is 00:04:56 You could see the snaring anger pouring out of her. Vile. So three choices along a similar theme. You can vote right now in our live chat on YouTube. Leave me your comments too. I'm so happy to be back live. I will be reading out the best at the end of the show. So stick with us today, but now let's go. The 197 page KC report shames Britain. It exposes the Westminster establishment, the mainstream media, virtually every politician, the police, basically our entire squalid deep state. And while the findings are important and historic and have forced Stammer into this humiliating new turn, I will admit, having read the entire thing,
Starting point is 00:05:52 that I am still concerned. So there is not one mention of Tommy Robinson in the report, but where he is alluded to, it is under the pretense of bad actors who could use this ongoing scandal for what the report describes as clickbait. Now trust me, as someone who has covered the story in the independent media, there is nothing to be gained commercially from reporting on the Pakistani Muslim British rape gang Kathera, nothing at all. Big Tech actually does all it can to throttle any coverage of this subject. And this is a subject of course that has seen so many victims like Sammy Woodhouse and Samantha Smith and so many patriots like Tommy Robinson, Mark Stein and Katie Hopkins try to bring to the mainstream at great personal and commercial cost. Big Tech
Starting point is 00:06:48 doesn't want us talking about this okay. Now just this year, Slippery Stammer, our despicably evil Prime Minister claimed a national inquiry into the scandal and its cover-up would be jumping onto a far-right bandwagon. When politicians, and I mean politicians, who sat in government for many years, are casual about honesty, decency, truth and the rule of law, calling for inquiries because they want to jump on a bandwagon of the far right. I mean, I actually feel visceral anger watching that, I'm sure you do too. But if there's any positive to come out of this mess, it is that these scumbags have now been exposed for all time. We will never forget their lies, their cover-ups, all to protect their failed mass immigration project of bringing Islam to the United Kingdom. Like Owen Jones, who literally called this whole thing a lie. About vulnerable white girls being targeted by British Pakistani grooming gangs. Now that
Starting point is 00:08:08 is the sort of thing you would have expected to read in BNP leaflets and which not that long ago would actually have been condemned by Tory and Labour politicians alike but we are in 2023 in the worst possible timeline. It's not true. It's really important to make this very very clear. Or how about London's failed mayor, Sadiq Khan, who wouldn't even up until a few weeks ago, wouldn't even admit the existence of these rape gangs to his Tory rival, Susan Hall, who is quite rightly now claiming victory. Well, it turns out that this far-right bandwagon that I've been on for quite some time because I've been calling for a national inquiry on the rape gangs, turns out that there's a new person joined us in the form of our Prime Minister, Keir Starmer. So the big question for us in London is, is it kind of going to join us?
Starting point is 00:09:03 Because the last time I spoke to him, he didn't know what I was talking about. But then that's on there for you. But look, I have to be honest with you. I don't know if there is anyone more complicit in this evil than Jess Phillips, the parliamentary undersecretary of state for safeguarding and Violence Against Women and Girls who insisted, do you remember this, she insisted there was no need for a national inquiry. And do you know why she did that? Well I'll tell you, it's because she is so concerned about losing her parliamentary seat to an extreme Muslim candidate as very nearly happened last year at the general election.
Starting point is 00:09:45 And do you know what was particularly sick? Yesterday in parliament, she literally couldn't wipe the smug smirk off her face. I want not just to get to the truth about past failures, but also to make sure that we make the changes to protect children for the future as well. That includes changes in social services, it includes changes in policing and the police operation that I hope she would welcome to take action to put perpetrators behind bars, and also the action to gather proper ethnicity data which simply has not been gathered
Starting point is 00:10:26 properly before and where Louise Casey's report is very clear it is totally inadequate the data gathering that her government her previous government left behind so I hope she would agree to all of those being extremely important so that we can get stronger protection and truth. Sickening behaviour, sickening behaviour. What are you laughing at Jess Phillips? What is funny about this situation? I have to say though it wasn't quite as sickening as her appearance on Newsnight. Look people have turned a blind eye there There's no two, I'm not denying that. Including you? Absolutely not, May. I have never turned a blind eye. I never would shy away from calling a problem what it is.
Starting point is 00:11:15 What? What? I mean, as even the left wing columnist, Dan Hodges, posted on X, this is staggering. Jess Phillips literally rejected Oldham Council's request for national support for their inquiry. That's how all this exploded. She literally criticized Katie Lamb for raising the ethnicity of the perpetrators. It's all a matter of public record. Of course on Newsnight she tried to blame Labour's favourite bogeyman, the non-existent far-right, oh and the former Prime Minister Liz Truss, who was forced from office in a deep state coup. Watch. You mentioned the Prime Minister, you will remember that he described the calls back
Starting point is 00:11:54 in January for a national enquiry as people jumping on a bandwagon of the far-right. When you reflect on that, was that wise? I think that what the Prime Minister was saying, this was in the wake of Elon Musk for Aurore, was that the Conservative politicians, Kemi Badenoch, the Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Philp, that he was saying they were jumping on the bandwagon of Elon Musk talking about on Twitter. I think it was actually
Starting point is 00:12:31 Liz Truss, she gets forgotten in this story, Liz Truss who started it and then Elon Musk carried it on, is that he was like where have you been? You've just been in government, you were the policing minister and the children's minister. Where have you been? And frankly, I didn't need... But was that a knee-jerk reaction simply because they are politicians on the right? No, I think it's because they're politicians
Starting point is 00:12:57 who had never cared and thought it was politically expedient. Oh my God. Now, Trost responded to that, good on her for doing so, saying I accused Jess Phillips of excusing Master Zlamas thugs, which she did, and of rejecting Oldham's calls for a government inquiry into grooming gangs, which she did. It was not a far right bandwagon, it was about holding her to account for her complete dereliction of duty. But it's not just political figures, because the MSM in Britain must never be trusted again.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Can you believe that Lewis Goodall has done a total 180? He's now trying to hold Labour politicians to account for that far-right smear on LBC. But it's pointless because he was part of it. Do you remember his treatment of the former Home Secretary, Suhaillah Braviman? You asserted that perpetrators of child-grooming gangs in the UK were almost all British Pakistani. Now you had to, that was chastised, wasn't it? Entirely rightly because it was a false claim. Well, I disagree with the ruling from Ipsos and subsequent reports and data has shown
Starting point is 00:14:13 that to be wrong. Lewis, what you're doing is you're zooming out, you're zooming out and you're looking at it from the broad umbrella. I put it to you again, you may say you disagree with it. What do you disagree about with the Ipsos claim that said that what you said about the clear majority of virtually all of grooming gangs being almost all British Pakistani when Ipsos said to you that what you said was significantly misleading and the Mail on Sunday had to actually put in a retraction of it. What do you disagree about? Right, so again, Louis, what you're doing is what you always do, which is why you've
Starting point is 00:14:42 got a lot. You've called it wrong on a lot of political issues in recent months and years. You're you're fixating on tone and I'm not fixating on tone, it's about facts. It's about facts. I've responded to your question about it. I disagree with the reeling. They've So do not try and take the high ground now, Lewis Goodall. And as ever, despite the Casey report making it abundantly clear, abundantly clear that Pakistani Asian men are the problem when it comes to this crime in the United Kingdom, Susanna Reid decided to return to her usual shtick of bashing white blokes. I just want to ask you specifically, you say most of this abuse is caused by or perpetrated by men of Pakistani origin. The figures that I have seen show that most of this child's
Starting point is 00:15:48 sexual abuse is actually committed by white perpetrators. But there is a disproportionate amount of abuse of this type committed by men of Pakistani origin. Are you taking issue with with that? Statistic when you say most is caused by men of Pakistani origin I just think we need to be careful with the terms here as well So so you might be referring to some police data from 20 I'm sitting at my way services. No, Susanna. No Look when you're looking at this in the round, if you're Tommy Robinson who we just saw there, who has literally been demonised and locked up for attempting to blow the whistle on this scandal
Starting point is 00:16:34 for I think over a decade and a half now, is it any wonder you're goddamn furious? I just hope that every person, you see Nick Loles, you see Owen Jones, you see Jess Phillips, Kirste Dahmer, the entire Labour establishment, that attacked every single person. So many people who lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods, lost their reputations, smeared, attacked, violently attacked, imprisoned.
Starting point is 00:17:03 So many people, all from start to finish, to cover up the dirty hands of politicians and police leaders who allowed this. They allowed it, they covered it up, and they come down like a tonne of bricks on anyone who tried to speak about it. And right now, those same people who acted in that way are trying to rewrite fucking history they're trying to rewrite
Starting point is 00:17:29 history as though they were on the side of the children you were on the side of the rapists Labour you were on the side of the rapists yes I'm angry and so should every single person in Britain be angry. Because you see all those traitors in Parliament, all of them sitting there in Parliament, they all knew what was happening. You see the entire mainstream media, every one of the journalists, they all knew what was happening. You see Andrew Norfolk, who won all the awards for exposing this, he knew what was happening. Every one of them knew what was happening. Every one of them knew what was
Starting point is 00:18:06 happening. They let it happen. They didn't care. In fact, right now they'd still be letting it happen. It would still be allowed to happen. If it wasn't for the people who stuck to the streets, if it wasn't for the survivors, if it wasn't for the whistleblowers, do not allow them to rewrite history. Any of them. Don't allow Labour politicians, don't allow the mainstream media, do not allow them to rewrite history, any of them. Don't allow Labour politicians, don't allow the mainstream media, don't allow any of them to rewrite history. Because every one of them had dirty hands.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Every single one of them, scum, the lot of you. And everyone, everything will be unveiled. Everything's coming out, everything. You see, when they do this national inquiry, do we trust them? Do you trust them? I'm gonna do my episode anyway, I'm gonna show you do this national inquiry, do we trust them? Do you trust them? I'm going to do my episode anyway. I'm going to show you Labour's involvement, but do you trust them? And you see if the truth comes out on this. Do you know how many of them need to go to jail? Police leaders, council leaders, politicians, all the way to the top. You see that filthy Labour
Starting point is 00:18:59 scumbag, Sean Davies, trying to rewrite history. It's like what are you doing? You can't rewrite history. You've all got dirty? You can't rewrite history. You've all got dirty hands. It's all coming out. There's going to be nowhere for you to hide. Nowhere. Now, of course we do not trust them. Tommy is right.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I understand his anger. I feel it today. You might be able to tell we are being led by scum. Now, Dominic Cummings knows how the swamp operates and I want to share with you what he's said about this. Important to register on the gangs, the government is refusing to authorise investigation of police, social workers etc who worked with the gangs, thus stopping the inquiry looking at the Whitehall cover-ups. There's obviously no justification for this other than continuing the cover-ups to maintain the old regime, but in doing this they are burying the
Starting point is 00:19:51 credibility of the old regime, not saving it. The old regime's loop is in the same state as David Cameron's when he walked onto a London hotel roof to rant about Turkey joining the EU 2016. hotel roof to rant about Turkey joining the EU 2016. And then on the failure of our media class, which you know is something that I've looked at closely, Dominic Cummings added, Remember what many MSM pundits were saying at Christmas? Fraser Nelson, UK integration story, a beacon of hope. Our streets are now safer than they have perhaps ever been. Our
Starting point is 00:20:26 immigrant population has almost doubled while our crime rate has halved. We seem to have attracted immigrants who by and large are prone to integrate and strengthen the social fabric. Ah yes Dominic Cummings said diversity is our strength, British values and if people in small boats were leaving Dover and risking death to reach Calais we'd have more cause to worry. The boats are actually a with British values. And if people in small boats were leaving Dover and risking death to reach Calais, we'd have more cause to worry. The boats are actually a sign of our success dummies. And then he pointed to Lewis Goodall who said in January, Far right thinking has become mainstream. Remember that the notion of ubiquitous Muslim grooming gangs has long been a trope of extremism despite little evidence.
Starting point is 00:21:08 And Cummings said for NBC Goodall the real story is not the gangs but the emergence of a common UK-US online right, making extremists until recently fringe politics mainstream and Britain conservatism. SW1 sensible mainstream 100% on brand. And then what about Nick Lowes of that stinking government funded charity Hope Not Hate, who has finally admitted the government is right to call an inquiry. But Stephen Wolf responded to him saying, this is about as low as a lefty grooming gang apologist will get to an apology. Nick Led calls to stigmatize as racist anyone who claimed that the paedophile and grooming gangs were a majority ethnic composition including from Tommy Robinson to Suala Braverman.
Starting point is 00:21:59 His organization contributed to the division in this country whilst parading as offering hope. Their hate for those who raised the issue is clear. Hope Not Hate should have all its government funding withdrawn, but don't hold your breath. I know we won't. But as ex-Coronation Street star Charlie Lawson revealed in his usual colourful language. Ordinary Brits are finally waking up. Jesus, you wouldn't fucking follow him to Marks and Spencer's would you? Anyway, he has finally seen the light, well he hasn't, he's been kicked up the fucking arse by some people in Westminster no doubt, and we are to have a national inquiry into the rape gangs and I don't care, they're not grooming gangs, the rape gangs, let's say it how how it is I don't give a shit what race they
Starting point is 00:22:48 are they're rape gangs and now the shit will hit the fan because hopefully Sammy Woodhouse and her friends and all the rest of those wonderful young ladies from grooming a national disgrace documentary will start speaking up again and we can get these people who started all these cover-ups and kept them going and listen I've no time for Dominic Cummings but at least he can have the balls to say it as it is. We're coming to get you all you councillors in Rochdale, Oldham, Blackburn, Birmingham everywhere you're gonna get your asses fucking kicked. Cheerio now. Now today's superstar panel. everywhere, you're gonna get your asses fucking kicked. Cheerio night.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Now today's superstar panel. And it is a pleasure to have her back, Alex Phillips of the That's What She Said substack and joining Outspoken for the first time, Emma Dunwell, the independent journalist of Resistance GB. So Alex, I mean, has our elite class finally been exposed? Yeah, they've definitely been exposed. And I think actually in the wake of the Casey report, I'm now beginning to think that the entire existence of the government is untenable. Now, I don't say that loosely, I don't say that in a blasé manner, because I despise the Labour Party, which I do.
Starting point is 00:24:08 But what we have seen is a safeguarding minister who said that having a national inquiry would be a far-right bandwagon, repeating the Prime Minister who said much the same thing. We know that all of these acts, by and large, were perpetrated in Labour-controlled councils. We know that labour-controlled councils themselves didn't want to do their own independent inquiries, only Oldham, which the safeguarding
Starting point is 00:24:30 minister then blocked. We also know the Labour Party have a rather strange relationship when it comes to Muslim criminality. There was the cover-up of what happened in Salzburg gaslighting the entire public that this was a terrorist offence of an Islamist. There's lots of history of things such as postal vote fraud within Muslim communities voting for the Labour Party. I could go on and on and on not answering the question on the burger. We had Lucy Powell on any questions. I mean the Labour Party now, it is very clear, every single time, have decided to appease or condone criminality within one particular community in the United Kingdom in order to garner their votes or because they're afraid of them. And when it comes to the safety and the protection
Starting point is 00:25:19 of little girls, can you imagine, other than actual genocide, killing genocide, any other crime that comes close to what happened to white girls at the hands of Muslim men? And they're doing it again, of course. They're saying, oh, it's British Pakistanis. No, actually, the Casey report pointed out there's asylum seekers, other foreign nationals, the common denominator. These men are from Muslim backgrounds, and the Labour Party still won't speak to that. They're still gaslighting us.
Starting point is 00:25:48 They're still trying to fiddle this inquiry. So nothing about their involvement, their local councillors, their ministers gets covered at all. They're going to make the inquiry a busted flush. They're still lying to us. They're still gaslighting us. I watched that interview with Jess Phillips on Newsnight. I saw her arrogance, little cocky defensive smile on those green benches and I thought this is the
Starting point is 00:26:09 biggest issue, this is the biggest issue in our recent history as a nation. What has been allowed to be perpetrated swept under the carpet and is still going on today and if we expect this government, the ones who seem to appease Muslim criminality to be the ones to finally have an open conversation and sort it out, it's not going to happen. So how, when this is the most despicable, disgusting crime, an issue of national importance, how can we have them sitting in number 10 Downing Street, sitting around the cabinet table and trust them to do something about it when all they've done is lie, cover up, gaslight and actually put people in prison, intimidate people for speaking out. This government's now untenable. This government has to go.
Starting point is 00:26:54 I couldn't agree more. I could not agree more. Emma Dunwell, so great to have you here. Do you share some of my concerns though? Because look, I read the whole report and it is incredibly powerful. And the fact is that time and again, time and again, our elite class have decided to literally cover up the ethnicity of these serial rapists because they're worried about community cohesion. However, I didn't like the fact that within the report they're still saying, but this could give rise to online clickbait. It's almost like the same sort of thing like slamming Tommy Robinson, slamming this invisible far right.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Well, yeah, Dan, I mean, first of all, thank you for having me on. The issue with the Grumman programs, there is no doubt that this has been covered up. But these girls have been betrayed on a systematic scale. We already know that Labour have essentially bought votes from certain demographics, and it's never been racist to recognise a statistic. Now we have those statistics in black and white so that they can no longer be denied, but we all knew it. And like you said, we were all branded as far right, jumping on a bandwagon.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And I think it's very telling that even when Tommy Robinson is alluded to within the report, they're still very careful to attribute any credit to him for the advocacy that he did around this. I mean, I was watching a Tim Paul video on this earlier today, and he said, you know, in the States, that's how everyone found out about it through Tommy Robinson. It wasn't through the mainstream media. They didn't care. And now that this report has come out, all of a sudden sudden they feel the need to cover their own backs, as always. And who's taking the brunt of what's gone wrong is the victims. I mean, even some of these victims have criminal records from when they were under the coercion of these gangs. I mean, Sammie Woodhouse even just said she's lost her legal battle to get her name cleared from those charges.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And it's just disgusting. The government does not care about these girls. Absolutely not. And it is only through people like Sammy Woodhouse, who were brave enough to risk so much actually in coming forward, that really did wake up the country to what has gone on. But I agree with you, there is a concern in that tone of the report, not wanting to acknowledge Toby Robinson, still tiptoeing around this invisible far right as if we've done something wrong. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, we have reported the truth you haven't so don't be worried
Starting point is 00:29:45 about our reaction it's your reaction it's the elite class reactions the mainstream media reaction which put all of these young women at risk for such a long time and it is a stain on society if you watched our interview on outspoken yesterday Alison Pearson now says it is the biggest scandal in British history. Developing right now, growing claims that GB News is preparing to change its editorial position on Tommy Robinson after the Casey report vindicated him over the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. Now this is of course a fascinating development given that loads of that channel presenters have for a long time described Tommy Robinson as a white supremacist, as racist, and indeed that coverage was even
Starting point is 00:30:40 continuing on the channel last night watch But then he'd also put something heinous on the back end of it. So it's quite easy to dismiss So I think a lot of people on the left didn't just see nutters like Tommy Heinous on it because I've not really seen anything that he said that you know was particularly wants to ban Islam, which is Tommy Robinson is objectively a racist Oh, come on. Tommy Robinson is objectively a racist man that hates most people. What do you say? What do you say that's racist? Oh, heinous things about all brown people. He calls all brown people perverts. How many brown mates? Oh, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:31:35 What? I mean, he works alongside, you know, brown people. I just don't understand. I know there's a lot of, you know, there's certainly a lot of, er... He doxed a 14 year old bram blad, accused him of heinous things that he hadn't done. That lad has to go into witness protection. Like, he's been heinous because he used to beat up police officers, he's done immigration fraud, you know, he nicked a load of money off his fundraising supporters. Woah, oh god. I think we're just straying into quite a dicey legal serotry here when it comes to something. Well seriously, that's not a good enough response from the presenter there because it's not
Starting point is 00:32:09 just dicey legal territory it's a full-on litany of lies and it is these lies that the mainstream media have used to cover up the Pakistani Muslim rape gang scandal by turning someone like Tommy Robinson into a false bogeyman. Now Tommy was clearly not happy about that segment. He posted on X, who is this lying twerp on GB News? And of course, GB News does remain a thorn in the side of Tommy. Its main presenters for many months have continued to propagate this myth about him being the bad guy of the piece, led of course by Nigel Farage. Watch. Mr Robinson, do what the hell you like. We are totally separate from that. If I was to embrace, as it looks like I was being urged to do, the sort of violent thuggish people like Robinson, that would do our party immense harm. And Farage is certainly not GB News' only presenter that feels this way. Here's Patrick Christie's.
Starting point is 00:33:26 ...Tommy Robinson in this loose role as advisor on grooming gangs. A, what advice do you need on grooming gangs? B, do you want that advice coming from a man like Tommy Robinson? It's not a good look for the party whatsoever. Frankly, it's not a good look for society and I do really think this just demonstrates actually that there is an undercurrent, not this subtle level of racism That's been leveled at UKIP in the past. I think you could argue that this is now much more overt Or how about Camilla Tomane on ITVs this morning? Elon Musk doesn't quite seem to understand who Tommy Robinson is and what he represents
Starting point is 00:33:59 Which is a misunderstanding that is sometimes seen across the pond, you know Americans and Canadians thinking that Tommy Robinson is some kind of, you know, misunderstood folklore figure when in fact he's a convicted criminal and white supremacist who hasn't really done much in fact he's currently serving a sentence for contempt of court. Now describing Tommy Robinson as a white supremacist is completely outrageous and there is now a split within GME News because Michelle Jubre and Ben Leo, two of its other senior presenters, have now come out publicly and said that Tommy deserves an apology. And I think when I show you this interview, it's an iconic interview between Tommy Robinson and Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight in wait for
Starting point is 00:34:46 it, 2011. So what's that? 14 years, is that right? 14 years ago. It's impossible to disagree that he does deserve a groveling apology. Watch. The only one who's been murdered by a Muslim gang, you probably don't, I do, do you know only 15 year old girls that you know that you've grown up with that have been raped
Starting point is 00:35:09 or pimped, you don't, so I don't expect you to understand the issues. These are all personal issues of yours. Personal issues in towns and cities like mine that are happening and they're not happening with the Sikh community, they're not happening with the Jewish community. And indeed they're not happening with most Muslims. No they're happening within the Islamic community, that's what I'm saying, that it's an Islamic problem and when I'm just a simple person, so I'm just a normal person, but when I'm looking at I have to look for where this hatred is coming from. So are you seriously suggesting
Starting point is 00:35:34 there aren't white drug dealers and there aren't white gangs? Of course I'm not, no. Or Sikh gangs or any other kind of? No I'm not, but I'm saying some of these specific issues are coming from the Islamic community, community solely solely the islamic community terrorists wanting to blow us up constant hostile activities was our youth all these problems and from from sitting back there's got to be something is coming from it's a none of the other communities are spreading it so we're a symptom of the problem the english defense legal claiming the
Starting point is 00:36:00 community is spreading it actually what we're talking about here with yes exactly as you could talk about members of the white community doing all sorts of atrocious things you know not not not not 24 year old groups of 10 of them hanging around outside school gates you've never seen a white gang and purposely targeting never seen a white gang are we going to pretend that Muslim groups are not out there purposely targeting our youth and pimping them are we going to pretend it're not pretending white people aren't doing that? Not in the same manner, not in the same group. They're saying it's a cultural thing.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Now what Tommy Robinson is saying there is exactly what the Casey report is saying in 2025. So the first on air talent on GB News to break cover on this issue is Calvin McKenzie and I give him a lot of credit for this. So he initially posted on X a round of applause for the reviled Tommy Robinson and the banished Mark Stein as Home Secretary Yvette Cooper finally admits that every word they ever said about the rapes of hundreds and hundreds of white girls by Muslim men was true. Politicians on all sides should be totally ashamed of themselves for dismissing them as racists, as should every MSM journalist, mainly Guardian staff. A front page apology from the Guardian should be the minimum. A donation to the victims would be appropriate.
Starting point is 00:37:23 With the notable exception of the Times, none of the national media believed the girls. The Sun was terrible, preferring not to run the sexual abuse stories for fear it would chase away the advertisers. Another dreadful mistake by a bloody awful management." And then Calvin McKenzie, and again I congratulate him. Calvin's brave. I love him. Actually, I really, really do. He went on GB News and he told the truth about Tommy Robinson and Mark Stein. Watch. This is the shocking reality is the man that was 100% right on all this and was reviled by every single side of the political spectrum was Tommy Robinson, right? He was a low voice saying this is going on, this is going on. He said, yeah, there are aspects to him, I quite understand, not everybody's cup of tea, but a thousand miles, not particularly
Starting point is 00:38:14 mine. He was right about this. And the other one that was banished by it was the guy who used to be a presenter here. He made these points. The Guardian was at even worse. What they were saying was, we think it's disgusting that people like Robinson and Mark Steen and the rest of them were all saying this kind of stuff. Right? Good on Calvin McKenzie. You could see the horror on Jacob Rees-Mogg's face. And Samantha Smith, a survivor, also posted on this saying, this is going to upset some people but I really don't care.
Starting point is 00:38:45 GB News didn't expose the Pakistani Muslim grooming gang scandal. Broadcasters like Mark Stein were covering it decades ago. Survivors like Sammy Woodhouse were sharing their stories long before GB News interviewed them. Whistleblowers like Maggie Oliver were speaking out against institutional failings as they happened. GB News has done great work, but they came in at the 11th hour. They can't claim credit for the decades of groundwork laid by those before them and ignore the years of work by those who spoke out and suffered for their bravery long before GB News ever existed. So let me bring in my superstar panel, former GB News presenter, now independent, substack journalist Alex Phillips, and Emma Dunhill of
Starting point is 00:39:29 Resistance GB. So Alex Phillips, this is a difficult position now for GB News, isn't it? Ever since launch, and I'm sure you experienced the same thing as I did, there was this blanket ban and some of us would try to get around it, but there was an absolute decision made by management that Tommy Robinson would not be allowed on the channel. Now, since you've gone independent, you have interviewed Tommy Robinson. You have decided that he is an important part of this picture. And what seems quite clear to me is that there is some type of civil war developing within GB News,
Starting point is 00:40:07 because you've got Michelle Dewberry saying, look, we've got to apologise to this guy. But then you've got Nigel on the other hand saying, no, no, no, no, no, he comes nowhere near us. Yeah, well, Nigel's thinking about his route to number 10 and what's going to be political expedient as he needs to do. Unfortunately, politics is a rough and tumble game where very often if you want to build cohorts of voters, you've got to play by a set of rules that you don't believe in and don't agree with. And so I think that's what he's doing. He realizes if reform or he as an individual
Starting point is 00:40:36 ever turned around and endorsed Tommy Robinson, it would create for all way among mainstream media who still have an oppressive effect on votes and this sort of creating a sense of shame about something. So I think he's just being political. the people who are in the mainstream media , who still have an oppressive effect on votes and creating a sense of shame about something. He is just being political, whereas Michelle Gibby doesn't have that issue.
Starting point is 00:40:58 The problem is GB news is run by an Australian who doesn't necessarily understand this country or the history of it. They are constantly trying to chase where the viewers are. When the Overton window shifts, they want to run after it as if they've always been there at the crest of the wave rather than waiting to see in which direction the wind's going to blow. And I partially understand this as a broadcast of being concerned about the regulator off-com equally being attacked and demonized and having embargoes and campaigns against advertising
Starting point is 00:41:23 because that loses you money. So, you know, both people, whether it's GB News or Nigel Farage, have their own reason, they have their own skin in the game, to be a little bit lily-livered over this issue. And I appreciate there are lots of people up and down the country, probably in positions of authority, who quietly around the dinner table say, I actually really like Tommy Robinson, but would dare not breathe those words out loud in public because such a brilliant job has been done to, as you said, turn him into the bogeyman. It's a distraction technique.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Oh, look over here. Here's a massive racist. Here's a criminal. Here's a monster. Look at this man. Isn't he bad? Which means don't look at what he's pointing at. And they've done this now for decades.
Starting point is 00:41:59 And especially that interview of Jeremy Paxman was just astonishing. You know, it's like, back in a time catch, and they're going, oh my goodness me, if he said that today, everyone would be venerating him as a hero, the working class whistleblower who was pointing out something that was so disgusting and so dangerous,
Starting point is 00:42:16 but he was massively ahead of his time. And I realized in speaking to him that this was a really important person to speak to, a social phenomenon. I wanted to find out who the man was, his motivations, his background. I wanted to look into the history of the EDL. Were they really the sort of violent, criminal, thuggish entity that they were portrayed as being?
Starting point is 00:42:35 I looked through lots of videos and footage of their rallies and demos and couldn't really see much to that effect other than what looks like, what looks like pure unbridled classism and the ease with which the establishments were able to point at, you know, good old working class men up and down the country and label them as monstrous skinheads, ignorant, you know, illiterate, unseemly, immoral scumbags. And this is what they do. And that's what they did to the victims as well. Let's be fair. This is what they also did to the white working-class girls who these Muslim men were systemically abusing. They decided that the girls weren't worth it. They're working-class, they get themselves into trouble. Oh well, they go off of these men we may as well consider them
Starting point is 00:43:15 prostitutes but let's protect the men. It's been an absolute atrocity, it's disgusting. We live in a world sadly in the United Kingdom, and I don't know how this has come to pass where people who do want to whistle-blow people who do want to speak out and Really feel that there's too much for them to lose and Tommy Robinson was making that point in his own video today on social media Saying what about all the people who have lost jobs who have been ostracized? Prison and now all of a sudden you've got these renal and vain Politicians jumping up and they're going I said it I always believed it well I always thought this I've always wanted to
Starting point is 00:43:50 talk out about this oh it wasn't me looking the other way and we know we know that so many people on so many issues when it comes to either taking the easy road of protecting myself whatever the cost to somebody else whatever the atrocity taking place actually take the easy road people look at what happened in Nazi Germany and say how on earth did so themself, whatever the cost to somebody else, whatever the atrocity taking place, actually take the easy road. People look at what happened in Nazi Germany and say, how on earth did so many members of the population just go along with this? Because they were scared. They were scared of being reported. They were scared of losing their employment. They were scared of being sent to Coventry and banished from their social circles. They were afraid
Starting point is 00:44:22 of being punished by the state, by the regime. And so they decided that actually it was better to go along with it and turn a blind eye to the fact that millions of Jews were being massacred. Now, I'm not saying that this is the same apples and pears it may be, but you equally have plenty of people in the public, whether they held public official positions,
Starting point is 00:44:44 whether they're in mainstream media, whether they're politicians, whether they're school teachers, whether they're doctors or nurses or just neighbours or milkmen. There were plenty of people who willfully decided to turn a blind eye to what was going on because it was easier for them, for them to fit in, for their livelihoods, for their security. A lot of people drank the Kool-Aid, maybe I'm being too harsh, and maybe a lot of people just didn't realize and needed a report, an official report to come out before their eyes were open and the scales fell away. No, because there have been so many. And they hide behind the report.
Starting point is 00:45:18 And then nothing changed. Nothing changed. And Emma Dunwell, I want to ask you about Katie Hopkins as well because there's been a lot of discussion over the last couple of days that she deserves an apology too. I mean Basil the Great put this out on X and then Katie actually joined in saying just waiting on my apology for your threats of arrest Greater Manchester Police and you Simon Dok, you are a serpent indeed. And again, that was simply because she publicly, I think she was at the Sun newspaper at the time,
Starting point is 00:45:55 linked the rape gang scandal specifically with Pakistani Muslim men. So does Katie Hopkins actually deserve an apology too? She absolutely does. I think Katie Hopkins is one of those people who's always been outspoken on these topics, and has never apologized for it. And that's what people want. That's what people need, especially when our own politicians are doing the best that they can to cover everything up. Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson, they both deserve a massive apology. It's absolutely disgusting the way they've been treated. I mean, you only have to look at more severe cases, I
Starting point is 00:46:34 would argue like Peter Lynch, where he actually passed away in prison. I mean, it's just awful for holding a placard. Lucy Connolly right now is a mother taken away from her family for a tweet and we have domestic abusers, we have rapists, we have paedophiles just being let out to make room in the prisons for all these far-right thugs. It's an absolute joke. I mean just right down to the age of consent in UK legislation, it says that a girl between the ages of 13 to 15, it's not automatically classed as rape and they will explore if she consented or if she was in love with them. I mean these are children. If we're arguing against legislation that literally argues the fact that a child can consent that goes against our own
Starting point is 00:47:18 age of consent laws, where can you win? People have no option but to turn to the likes of Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins because they actually say it how it is. Totally. Well, look, we've just got Starmer now responding on GB News to its political editor Chris Hope on whether he regrets ever describing this as a far right bandwagon. I don't think we're going to get a straight answer, but this is the first time I've seen this. When you said to me in January in that hospital, you said it's a far right bandwagon if you're calling for national inquiry. I know you're talking about politicians, but a lot of GB
Starting point is 00:47:59 news viewers and listeners were also concerned that they felt you were calling them far right. Would you perhaps regret that remark? Well, I wasn't calling them far right. I think you may have been in the room. Yes, I was. I said expressly, politicians and I mean politicians, and I was expressly calling out politicians who had been in office and done nothing, and it was them that I was criticising. This is not a far right issue is it? No, no, no, and I was certainly on criticising your view, isn't it? But I think if you look at what I said, and I know you have done carefully
Starting point is 00:48:33 and you'll have listened to it, are very, very explicit, because there's one thing that I find frustrating, it's politicians who had the opportunity in power to do something about it and did absolutely nothing. Now claiming, late to the issue, that the only ones that have ever raised the issue, I've been raising this issue for 15 years, I'm really glad that I'm the Prime Minister that's actually now put in place a national inquiry, something which wasn't done well. Well, we're load of nonsense.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Oh my god, I was the only one I'd been calling this at for 15 years. When? When were you doing that? Oh, I'm so proud I'm the politician who's going to be the first person to have a national inquiry. You didn't want it. You said it was far like bandwagon. This man is a gas lighter. What I hate so much about him and Jess Phillips they don't admit a mistake but what they do is they call the rest of us names they demean us they they silence us they intimidate us and then when they suddenly find that they've been caught with their pants down they tell them I didn't do that oh no I've always thought this these people are disgusting this is why this government has to go because they're
Starting point is 00:49:43 still lying they're still maneuver. They're still maneuvering. They're still gaslighting. They have to go. Yep, totally. And look, just an indication of how widespread this is. We've got a super chat in during this conversation from Catherine, I won't read her last name, who says, Emma, I was locked in a taxi
Starting point is 00:50:03 by a Pakistani Muslim man. I had to fight my way out. I found out he was out on bail for raping a woman and sexually assaulting another. I contacted the police and they were useless. And the police have a lot of blood on their hands in this whole issue, don't they as well well? Emma as much as that is horrifying to realise. Absolutely, I mean there are cases of girls who have been trafficked, abused, raped and then simply sent back to them afterwards because they were they were drunk or disorderly and they were cautioned with child prostitution. This is just absolutely abhorrent. It will forever be a stain on our country's history. And I agree with Alex,
Starting point is 00:50:54 the only way that this will ever be, even begin to be solved is with a complete revamp of the people in power. I mean, if I remember rightly, Keir Starmer put a three-line whip on the decision with the Child Safety Act, which included a national inquiry. So he never wanted an inquiry to happen,
Starting point is 00:51:18 none of them did, because they were all importing votes. 100%. And we will not forget, we must not forget. And I think Alex is right to say that actually this government has lost its authority to lead this country and that could, I think, prove pretty devastating for the state of the United Kingdom in the months and hopefully not years to come. Breaking today, a civil war on the BBC Breakfast program with its two presenters Naga Munchesi and Charlie Seat at each other's throats. Now this is becoming a real issue for the corporation, the British Bashing Corporation as I call it, given this is a news department that has been scandal-ridden in recent years.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Hugh Edwards, ring any bells? But here's the report from the Sun newspaper today. BBC breaking point toxic feud destroying BBC breakfast exposed with bullying probe tip of the iceberg and Naga Monchetti at her wits end. The newspaper reports that the toxic feud ripping apart BBC breakfast can today be exposed in full after The Sun revealed the show was facing a bullying probe. Tension between presenters Naga Munchetti and Charlize State are threatening to combust over opposing views behind the scenes and workers feel uneasy around the program's draconian boss Richard Frediani if they are not in his clique with Naga at her wits end over allegations of toxicity. Now it's even been claimed that this producer
Starting point is 00:53:11 physically shook a lower ranking female editor with a complaint upheld after a BBC investigation. The source has told The Sun, the probe into Freddie's bullying is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to BBC Breakfast. In reality, the smiles on the red sofa mask growing tension and an increasingly toxic culture driven from the top down, with its unwitting presenters at the heart. Naga is incredibly approachable and friendly to everyone on set, Charlie is very professional and tries to disengage from any politics. But some stars like Sally Nugent are loved by Freddie, whereas others like Naga and Charlie are not. And I mean, let's be honest about this. The toxic nature of the show is hardly a surprise.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I mean, the exchanges between Naga Munchetty and Charlie State have literally made it clear that these two are the breakfast presenting team that hate each other the most since Susanna Reid and Piers Morgan watch. They tried to race against there. It reminds me slightly of when Mike Bushell endeavoured to take on a real race, a 60 meter indoor sprint race. And over 60 meters, I remember it vividly, Mike, good luck to him, tried,
Starting point is 00:54:31 and these were proper athletes and it was a proper race. And about 20 meters in, they were so far ahead of him because you just don't see ordinary people against those super humans very often Yeah, they kind of race against each other. So it doesn't look that it looks even. Yeah Well would have been fun, Sarah I mean, okay
Starting point is 00:54:55 Alex Phillips They despise each other. Okay, clearly they don't like sharing that sofa. It's interesting though, isn't it in television? It doesn't always mean, and I'd love to hear your personal experiences Alex, but it doesn't always mean that it's not a good presenting combination because for example Andrew Pearce and Bev Turner at the moment on GB News in the morning, they despise each other it makes for really good viewing. Same thing with Pearce Morgan and Susanna Reid, same thing in the past you remember with Eamonn Holmes and Anthea Turner dating back all of that time. So you don't necessarily have to be Richard and Judy on the sofa to make good telly, but what's
Starting point is 00:55:35 quite interesting about this for the BBC is I thought they had cleaned up their act, Alex, and it seems like it's out of control at Manchester with these claims of physical altercations and bitch fights behind the scenes. Actually, it was really fascinating. So first of all, disclaimer, I have had two co-hosts in my career as a TV presenter. One was Simon McCoy, who I love to the ends of the earth. I adored presenting with him. We became very firm friends. And the other was Kevin O'Sullivan. And likewise, he's one of my favourite human beings on this planet. We actually miss presenting together and would like to start doing that again. So not for me, this sort of bad chemistry
Starting point is 00:56:11 with a television husband, but here's an interesting factoid for you. Back in 2016, I was speaking to a very good friend of mine who I will not name, who was a senior producer at BBC Breakfast, 2016. So we're talking almost 10 years ago. She'd come to stay with me. And I said, what's it like at the Beeb?
Starting point is 00:56:31 Because I'd worked at the Beeb before and personally never enjoyed it. And she said, you've got no idea, the bullying, the toxicity, the fights, the divisions, the cliques. And she said, back then, 10 years ago, she was telling me how horrific and terrible the atmosphere at BBC Breakfast was.
Starting point is 00:56:49 So when I read this report today I thought to myself well that doesn't actually surprise me. When it comes to Freddie Arnie I have actually met Richard Freddie Arnie at one point in my life. He interviewed me for a job at I think it was ITV, which must have been about 20 years ago or something now. Needless to say, I didn't actually get the job. His loss. His loss.
Starting point is 00:57:11 His loss. Yeah, he phoned me up afterwards and said, I thought you were a little bit too cautious. I'd have liked you to be a bit more punchy in that interview. And it's funny, that bit of life advice, I kept hold of because look at me now, I don't hold back, do I? So thank you. I'd like to thank the man because he actually gave me a brilliant piece of career advice, which I've remembered to this day. But no, I have heard long, long, for a long, long time that BBC Breakfast is an absolute viper's nest. Fascinating. Emma Dunwell, I mean, don't you think that this is just completely a ticking time bomb for the BBC? I mean, we were told that after the Hugh Edwards debacle, after that cover-up
Starting point is 00:57:53 where the man who announced the death of the late Queen Elizabeth II on air was actually a paedophile and lots of people at the BBC knew about his behaviour and did nothing, we were told that there was meant to be a total clean act coming in and yet this all seems to be unraveling on BBC Breakfast. Well this is just the mainstream media in a nutshell, isn't it? It wasn't too long ago that it was coming out in the news that they'd broken their own editorial guidelines over 1500 times. So, you know, convicted paedophiles as hosts and bullying behind closed doors, I suppose, shouldn't
Starting point is 00:58:31 really be a surprise to anyone. Yeah, this is what this is what you don't find usually within citizen journalism, which is why the Overton window is shifted because people feel like they're watching and interacting with people that they can trust. They will actually give them the truth that are hopefully not horrible people behind closed doors and the BBC just time and time again keep proving themselves as examples of very dysfunctional professional settings or unprofessional settings I guess I should say. And lying to the viewers about the truth. I mean, Alex Phillips, Emma makes a point, doesn't she? Like, isn't the whole point of where we're heading in our media landscape right? Like total authenticity. So actually, you can't really pretend to be something you're
Starting point is 00:59:20 not now because people see through it immediately. And I think whether, you know, Nanga Monchetti and Charlie State are nice people or not, like it's bloody obvious they can't stand each other. So faking it doesn't work. Yeah, no, I think to some degree, Emma's got a very good point, but a lot of presenting, I'm afraid, is faking it, isn't it? Otherwise, you know, I'd sit there for three hours
Starting point is 00:59:43 doing a show on tour, can I pick my nose scratch? I do scratch a lot on there, cause I'm an it is faking it, isn't it? Otherwise, I'd sit there for three hours doing a show on tour, can I pick my nose scratch? Or I do scratch a lot on air, because I'm an itchy person. I can't, you know, shovel like, you know, fork scratches into my mouth with a pint of cider. You know, there is like an artifice to presentation, okay? There is an artifice to working in the electric media, even now, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm nicely framed up,
Starting point is 01:00:03 and I'm not sort of doing the things I just listed above. It would be rather uncouth. And so similarly, if you've got two co-hosts, you decide they don't like each other, you don't actually expect them to start, you know, pulling each other's hair out live on TV. But at the same time, if it had been reported that the atmosphere was so toxic
Starting point is 01:00:19 and so bad at BBC Breakfast 10 years ago, you've got to wonder why on earth changes hadn't been made to improve the situation. And I think part of the problem is at the BBC, that there's such an embedded culture of right honoree, of wokeism, of lefty liberal media, that if you happen to be somebody who didn't subscribe to that, you're better, better blimmin well not confess to it, hide your light under a bushel and stay shtum or you're going to find yourself osprecised. It's interesting because, you know, someone like Simon McCoy was a beloved BBC presenter for so long, and all of a sudden he pops out the other side and is like, wow, you're a Brexiteer, who knew? Whereas I think
Starting point is 01:00:56 what helps, you know, when I was at GB News and, and now I'm at Talk, and Talk is a wonderful place to work, frankly. I love all my colleagues there. We all are genuinely a very, very happy family. But what helps is why in large, we all sing from the same hymn sheet. We're fighting the same campaigns. We believe in the same things. And it isn't this sort of, you know, big bureaucratic behemoth, you know,
Starting point is 01:01:17 overstaffed, over-resourced that the BBC is, which has this ridiculous mindset, which I imagine a lot of people at the BBC is, which has this ridiculous mindset, which I imagine a lot of people at the BBC happily subscribe to, but there must be individuals who pull in the opposite direction. Yeah, it really is. And Emma, I'm fascinated by the work that you're doing at Resistance GB, because for folk who don't know, this is a truly independent news outlet. Well, I say new, you've been going for quite a few years now, big interviews with a lot of people who the mainstream media or a lot of topics the mainstream media just won't touch. Well, yeah, I mean, we cover anything freedom
Starting point is 01:01:59 based really, we've covered anything from the farmers rallies contesting against inheritance tax and specifically around these kinds of issues and regarding freedom of speech. One of my favourite conversations I'll admit is Howard Cox because he's just absolutely lovely. But you know we spoke about his expulsion from the Reform Party for speaking out about Tommy Robinson. The shift from mainstream media to independent journalism is so needed because there are people in positions of power or who used to be in positions of power who have been cast out for having the same views as the general populace and it allows us to feel connected again to people who could once again one day be in power and
Starting point is 01:02:46 re-establishes that trust that no one has in the government at the moment. Jason Vale And of course also not regulated by the off communist which is such an important thing because it's why you get that total faux balance and all of that very annoying stuff. So no, I think Resistance TV is doing brilliant work. And of course, Alex Phillips, you can also find on Substack, that's what she said. It was actually a very sad day for us here at Outspoken because we lost a legend, a TV legend,
Starting point is 01:03:18 one of my favorite guests ever. We're gonna be paying tribute to Kim Woodburn in just one moment in a way that she would approve of, right? So we're going to celebrate some of her wildest, most crazy moments. And as I say, if you knew Kim Woodburn, you knew that this is exactly how she would want to go out. So we're gonna do that in just one minute. Don't go anywhere. But first, if you're anything like me,
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Starting point is 01:06:24 me personally, my all-time favourite guest on every and for me personally my all-time favorite guest on every show I've worked on. I mean I have literally worked with Kim Woodburn through my time at ITV Daytime appearing on Big Brother together then at Talk Radio, GB News and Latterley where she gave what has turned out to be her final interview on Outspoken, which you can watch on our YouTube channel right now. But the reason that Kim Woodburn was so special right, was because she was a cleaner who found fame late in life and never forgot her working class roots, never forgot that she used to spend eight hours a day as she would put it
Starting point is 01:07:05 cleaning loose, cleaning bathrooms, sometimes for very rich people. And as a result, she had absolutely no time for the prissiness, the diva behavior, and the duplicity of the TV industry. And that's why I loved Kim, right? Because she would call a spade a spade. She would call out the fellow celebrities, whether it be Phillips Gofield or Holly Willoughby. And so when I was working at the Sun's Bizarre column, that's the big showbiz column in the Sun, and I was the editor there for a number of years, I wasn't able to attend the National Television Awards one year. And I thought, oh my my goodness let's do something different, let's do something wild, let's send Kim Woodburn to the NTA red carpet to terrorize the celebrities and as you can imagine it went viral for all the right reasons.
Starting point is 01:08:01 Watch. right reasons. the loose women. Oh not Colleen Nolan, don't tell me she's coming in here. Thank God. Oh ladies come to me now. Oh chicken-lipped little s***. Bazaar dear. Who? Bazaar. Look at me noo. So common. Try and get Peter on there. Oh darling. Oh, Godin. I'm older than Todd Pisa. You're looking as a handsome debonair yourself. Isn't she nice? That's a gorgeous suit. Thank you. Well, I'm nice all you not wanted.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Get out of my way. I'm speaking. You've been in shock too long. You're a greedy pig. Come here. Now, what is it with you and Gemma? Would you like me to end up with her? No.
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Starting point is 01:09:32 You see when you're as posh as Gemma Collins and you work in TOWIE you... You don't speak to the likes of me. Obav no. Just hilarious. Honestly so many of the celebrities just saw Kim and ran because they knew. They knew you couldn't mess with that sharp tongue. And it was a couple of her appearances on GB News that many of you have pointed out to me today were your favourite moments. You've sent in a whole load of them. So I chose two.
Starting point is 01:10:04 The first was Kim Woodburn on Carol Vorderman. Well, Carol Vorderman, she's gone, man. She's nutty, dear, isn't she? I mean, by God, she took- What happened to her? She used to be quite nice. She walks in front of you, just like a bum's two pig spiting in a sack.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Kim! It's not about the size like a bum's two big spiky and a sack. It's not about the size of a person's bottom. Well you've got to admit she's always talking about that Jenny but look fascinating debate. Sorry about the tech issues I feel like I'm on a ship. And if you're not prepared to tell the truth come on. Oh god they wouldn't do that on GB News these days. And then this was the one that captured the imagination and left me genuinely gobsmacked. Kim Woodburn on Holly Willoughby.
Starting point is 01:10:59 But Kim, Holly Willoughby is saying that she wants to come back and launch this new show next Monday. Should she not be given the chance to do that? I'll bet she does, my love. That little bitch. I'll bet she does, darling. Kim, why would you say that? What's Holly done wrong? What's Holly done wrong? In all the years she's been on that show, she's never taken part. All we hear is, Oh Philip, oh Philip.
Starting point is 01:11:27 Yes, but she wants to take charge now, Kim. She thinks this is her moment. She a. didn't have better time to take a big salary. Get shot at that little impy, wimpy little woman. She will not be missed. And look, during my last interview with Kim, she spoke about why she couldn't put up with that celebrity presence. I'm a kind person. You know what, my love? But I tell it like it is because what's the point of doing anything else?
Starting point is 01:12:02 Let's stop falsifying and lying and covering things we know should be exposed. Stop! So true. And that was Kim Woodburn's last interview. She died aged 83 after a short illness. Her husband is distraught, devastated. They were such a tight couple for so many years and I'm personally devastated because I feel like we're losing these legends of the
Starting point is 01:12:35 entertainment industry and Kim Woodburn was a legend she was iconic right. Let me bring back my superstar panel Emma Dunwell and Alex Phillips. Alex the thing is right Kim's story was genuinely inspirational like she was the first person alongside Aggie you know it was Kim and Aggie on How Clean Is Your House the channel four show who became famous because she was a cleaner and that's what was so cool about it. Yeah, and you know, I always like it when you've got these sort of people who by force of character, by having some sort of energy,
Starting point is 01:13:14 despite where they come from, just steal the nation's hearts. And you're right, there's not enough people like that. I mean, look, I'm the sort of person, quite frankly, I much prefer going down to a Wetherspoons and a private members club because I was brought up in Gloucester. Mostly I worked in the nightclubs and bars and pubs of Gloucester. And when I moved to London, what I found was a bit of a culture shock because a lot of people in London are frankly assholes.
Starting point is 01:13:36 You know, they don't like talking, they don't like gossiping, they're pretentious, they don't actually show their true self. They hold on to these sort of popular trendy ideologies. And I can't get on board with them. I always say that the wonderful thing about the working class is because they haven't lived a sheltered existence, they see the world exactly as it is because there's nothing constraining their view.
Starting point is 01:13:58 And I find myself far more drawn to members of the working class than hoity-toity, hair flicky, pretentious, you know, lefty metropolitan liberals. That's just me, you know, that's, that's my cohort. And I'm pretty sure that actually Kim and I would have had a brilliant old time down the pub. Oh my God, you would have. You absolutely would have. She was a riot. That was the thing. She was so fun. And Emma Dunmore, what she always used to say to me, she's like, Dan, I will
Starting point is 01:14:25 tell you the truth. No one else will. Because I'm in my 80s. I've earned more money than I ever believed was possible. You know, I was a cleaner for most of my life. So I never ever thought that I would have this money. And so I don't need to be on TV. I'm not trying to make friends with anyone. And what was so incredible in recent years, Emma, she became such a gay icon and so popular amongst young people that she was like a massive hit on the app Cameo where people like Nigel Farage are really popular too because people just were desperate for Kim to make them a message where sometimes she'd be a little bit rude to them. And again, I've had so many people send me their Kim Woodburn messages today, and they say anytime
Starting point is 01:15:12 that I'm feeling down, I always put this message on and it reminded me of Kim and I thought, oh, that's what a lovely crazy legacy. Well, again, I mean, these are the kinds of people that the public wants to connect with. These are the people that make them feel seen and make them feel heard. I mean, I don't know too much about Kim other than I watched her on Big Brother and she was always on the TV when I was little because my nan absolutely loved her. My mom was a cleaner, so I completely identify with the whole people don't people don't identify with the hoity-toity it's basically just echoing what what alex said people want relatability people want
Starting point is 01:15:54 someone that they can say you know yeah i feel like i'd be able to sit down and have a cup of with you because that's what people want and kim strikes me as a type of person that even before all the the fame and everything after she she even before all the fame and everything, after she she'd made all the money and everything like that, she would still have said exactly how it is. And that is why people liked her. That's why people loved her. Absolutely. Well, I loved her. These are her favourite pictures that we're showing by the way, because the one thing Kim would have hated because the one thing Kim would have hated was if I used a shot that she wasn't happy with. So very happy to announce that Kim Woodburn
Starting point is 01:16:32 is today's greatest Briton, nominated by our very own Darren Donaldson of the Dan Woodson Outspoken Club on X. He is such a fan of Kim and is so upset about this. He wrote, the best reality TV queen was also a fan of Kim and is so upset about this. He wrote, the best reality TV queen was also a part of the outspoken family and one of a kind. We will miss her humor, wit and way of words that only she could get away with. Wonderfully put. Alex Phillips, Emma Dunwell, thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:17:02 And lots more feedback coming in from you on the big issue of the day, which is of course the rape gang scandal cover-up and specifically Tommy Robinson's involvement in it. Thank you Arbiter for the super chat. He writes, care the traitor Stammer to protect his party himself and the rapist over our children. Do not
Starting point is 01:17:27 forgive or forget, don't let him rewrite history, he has as much honesty as a stone has blood. Traxman said this is in regards to our Union Jackass nominees, yes, Phillips, Emily Maitlis, and Yvette Cooper. All three should be accountable, and everyone who was involved in their cover-up, and Tommy Robinson should be given an OBE for bringing this to the public eye. Jenny Chilton wrote,
Starting point is 01:18:00 "'Tommy has every right to be angry. "'He and Maggie Oliver have been on it for decades. We won't let them rewrite history. Tommy. Jack Spring says, the inquiry may be happening now, but the state will still cover up, defer, marginalise, and try to wear down and drag out. Kath Lissenden said, Stacey Dooley,
Starting point is 01:18:24 now lefty lovey of the BBC did a very interesting documentary in Lusia many years ago she went to school with Tommy she wouldn't make that documentary now she wouldn't have a career. I didn't know that actually I'll have a look at that. And child Paul on this whole civil war within GB News over Tommy Robinson says GB News could have been proud that one of their presenters did much to highlight this Mr Mark Stein but sadly they sacked him and now no glory. So a reminder of those Union Jackass nominees Jess Phillips nominated by Karen Hanke for raising a smile and laugh when the
Starting point is 01:19:01 Casey report was being discussed. Yvette Cooper nominated by the GRIFT report because of the Pakistani grooming gang cover-up and trying to blame the quote far right. And Emily Maitlis nominated by Trooper237 who says she owes Rupert Lowe a massive apology for calling him racist. You could see the snaring anger pouring out of her vial. And in third position with 14% of your vote today, Emily Maitlis, the runner up with 27% of the vote, Yvette Cooper, but today's Union Jackass after that disgusting and actually I believe downright evil appearance in the House of Commons yesterday Jess Phillips she should resign she should resign or be sacked Now we're going to move to substack for the uncancelled after show with Angela Levin
Starting point is 01:19:59 because Meghan Markle has given her longest interview yet demanding the truth be revealed about her in a 90 minute podcast with Kardashian ally Emma Greeday. Let me tell you, she should be careful what she wishes for. So our Royal Mouserman Angela Levin and I have watched this latest car crash so you don't have to. We will bring you all of the lowlights. So please do come and join us at Substack. We're going to have so much fun with this one www.outspoken.live is the address. But it is great to be back live with you. I've missed you the past week so we're back tomorrow 5pm UK time midday eastern 9am pacific hit subscribe if you're watching on youtube and rumble just turn on the notification bell make sure you turn it to be alerted to all new videos because then you will literally get an
Starting point is 01:20:46 alert when we're next on. So I'll see you tomorrow but most importantly I promise to keep fighting for you.

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