Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON BEHIND REFORM WAR AS RUPERT LOWE SUES NIGEL FARAGE & DOUGLAS MURRAY SPEAKS

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

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And breaking right now, Axed Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe is now threatening legal action against the party's underfire leader as he publishes an astonishing letter on Axe to Nigel Farage, publicly pleading to end the civil war and unite the party. But the right in Britain is now openly divided on the issue of mass deportations after the dispute was thrust into the public limelight. So in my digest next, I'll reveal why Douglas Murray is right to urge Nigel to listen to Rupert as Matt Goodwin finally speaks out too. Then a big revelation that it is Tommy Robinson who is really behind the split in the party as LBC continues their dishonest witch hunt. There's one that I disagree with is the way they've treated Tommy Robinson and I stood up for Tommy Robinson.

And I was I got three or four days before I decided to leave the party, a text from Richard Tice, who simply said, Howard, if you continue to support Tommy Robinson, you will be expelled. And this is supposed to be a party of free speech. You don't have to support Tommy Robinson. I have to say, why would you want to support this convicted criminal? I'm glad you think it's a laughing matter. He nearly prejudiced a trial. So I've got the perfect man to weigh in on this today on my superstar panel, the publisher of Rebel News, Ezra Levent, who is, of course, a longtime supporter of Tommy Robinson. Plus, joining Outspoken for the first time, brilliant to have him, freedom campaigner Montgomery Toms.

Also coming up on the show today, Christians storm the BBC over its despicable coverage of the atrocities against Christians throughout the continent and Africa. And of course, we'll reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass, those nominations coming up in just one moment. Then, in the uncancelled after show on Substack, oh my goodness, you're going to want to sign up for this one, folks. www.outspoken.live. The Clash returns for a special edition as, wait for it, Lady Colin Campbell goes head to head with Norinda Kerr. Trust me, this is going to be unmissable. I have

a feeling it's going to get very tense. Plus, Lady C is going to be covering today's breaking royal news. Did you see this in the past hour? Meghan Markle. Oh no, she's not going away, folks. There's a brand new show, Confessions of a Female Founder. So we'll get into all of it with Lady Colin Campbell. Your nominations, though, for Union Jackass, you can vote right now in the live chat on YouTube. Steve Bray, nominated by JHP for being a complete moron. And we know he is. We saw that fight with Lee Anderson yesterday. And he is just such a loser. Get a haircut.

Get a real job. Seriously. Karen Hanke has nominated the Brazilian government because the authorities are building a new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest, specifically for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. Utter madness. And nominated by Jane Kendrick, the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, for her despicable treatment of Katie Amess, this woman still refuses to give a public inquiry into the death, the murder, the terror attack that took from us David Amess, the incredible MP, by an Islamist extremist. It is a shameful decision. We'll also announce the greatest Britain at the end of the show too, but now let's go. Any delusion that the growing Reform UK civil war caused by the brutal axing

of Rupert Lowe, including a wholly unnecessary police report, would soon fade, well that's now gone. The right is divided, not just on the issue of the conduct of Nigel Farage, but on whether mass deportations are possible and necessary. With Douglas Murray today directly contradicting academic Matt Goodwin's position on this hot button issue. So I'll get to that very shortly. But before that, I think the great Yarmouth MP, a standout citizen with a clean record and a £35 million fortune who donates every penny he earns for being a Member of Parliament to charity causes, well, I think he was the wrong bloke to try and destroy using the cancel culture methods of the left. This hour, Rupert Lowe is plotting to sue Nigel Farage, but he has made one last ditch bid to get reform's messiah to see sense. This letter, an emotional open letter to Nigel has been posted on X, and in part, he writes, Nigel, my latest invitation for dinner with you did not receive a response,

but I am going to make one last effort. Our members deserve that. Without them, neither of us would be in Parliament. Their hard work, their efforts, their determination, that's what put us there. Not me, not you. Your real motive was to remove me because I dared to ask questions. I am trying one last time. But before that can happen, you must stop your malicious witch hunt. You personally have told outright lies about me on national television. I have undeniable evidence to prove this. I urge you to retract and apologize for those remarks today. I will not tolerate falsehoods and my legal team are working on it. The British public do not appreciate foul play. Egos must be parked to resolve this. I am trying to do that by reaching out again, but first you must stop your wicked assault on my character and reputation. It all must halt.

I hope to hear from you. If I don't, I'd like to put on record my thanks for what you did to deliver Brexit. Sadly, that legacy is being sullied by your appalling behaviour over the last week. I once considered you a friend. I no longer do, but there remains a better way to resolve this, Rupert. So the crux of this row now is over two issues. Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage's refusal to countenance mass deportations, despite it being one of Trump's most popular MAGA policies. And we know Farage's position on this is very clear because of this interview with Stephen Edgington. It's a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people. We simply can't do it. At the moment, it's a political impossibility. But is it your ambition? No. I'm not going to get dragged down the route of mass deportations or anything like that.

People are always going to come and go. And we are a country that's engaged in international trade. And we have relationships around the world through the Commonwealth, etc. But yeah, we have to aim at a balanced migration policy. But net zero still means hundreds of thousands of people coming into Britain, immigrants coming into Britain. Isn't that too many? It may well be, but we have to start somewhere. Trump says in America that he wants mass deportations. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment. Some estimates say the

number could even be in, you know, a million plus. So do you support deporting all of those people? It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do. In terms of the atmosphere in Britain, are you concerned that there is a rising level of anti-white hatred? I'm just concerned about a deeply divided society. But in deeply unwelcome news for Farage, Douglas Murray, one of Britain's most brilliant minds on the right, has rode in behind Rupert Lowe in a bombshell article in Today's Spectator. His words are important and I will read you the key part here. He writes, redress them. Donald Trump's electoral success in America comes substantially from his promise to deport illegals. He has installed a team of border enforcement agents who are performing this

task, beginning with removing violent criminals. The world is shifting fast. And if you do believe illegal migration is one of the principal threats to your country, then squishing onto the sofa and just watching seems a very 1990s option. So a big intervention there from Douglas Murray. And as Al Connor Tomlinson, he's going to be here tomorrow, surmised, Douglas Murray has the unique ability to make the world stop and listen. He's using that power today to tell Nigel Farage what he needs to hear, that Rupert Lowe is right. The mass deportation of the uncounted millions of foreign criminals currently in Britain is a sensible, necessary, perfectly legal and popular policy. But Team Nigel is also out in force, showing just how deep this divide within Reform UK has become. First, you've got the GB News MSM mob, led by Matt Goodwin and Carol Malone.

Those of the so-called online right, an amorphous online subculture of right-wingers who support policies like re-migration, the repatriation of migrants back to their countries of origin, who broadly support Rupert Lowe in this debate, are effectively claiming that Nigel Farage lacks ideological purity and that the Reform Party have become too soft on these cultural issues. While I don't want to be drawn into the personal dispute between Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe, which I know that many Reform voters, members and activists out there will find deeply unfortunate and regrettable. I do want to say a few things about this ideological rift, because I think that more than a few people out there might be losing touch with political reality. What some people online

are suddenly and conveniently forgetting is that at the last general election in 2024, Nigel Farage and the Reform Party were the only political party in Britain to call for the immediate deportation of dual nationals who had been convicted of raping and sexually assaulting British children. I do think they've suspended Lowe because Farage wants to make, no, Farage wants to make Reform a serious party. And he knows that some of the stuff that Rupert Lowe puts out like deporting mass deportation of all migrants

that is not a serious solution. And Farage has said, he's made very clear statements he said we must not isolate all of Islam, all Muslims, we must not condemn it all because he's trying to make reform a serious party.

Then we had Majid Nawaz who supports Nigel because he loves the fact there's a Muslim in Zia Youssef at the head of Reform UK. Rupert Lowe will not prosper. Ben Habib will not prosper in this endeavour. Good luck to them. Ben Habib's a good businessman. Maybe he should go back to business. Rupert Lowe, go back to farming. Your political days are over. Set up a new party, if you like. You probably lose your deposit. Perhaps join UKIP. But that's a dead end, too, which we suspect you know, which is why there's rumors you're going to set up your own party. Either way, it's over for you. There's no coming back from this. Nigel Farage will become the next prime minister of the United Kingdom. And the Reform Party's performance in this May's elections will outdo expectations.

And Zia Youssef will get the deserved credit as chairman of the Reform Party for that. It's over for you. But this issue is not going to go away quickly. Of particular concern to Nigel will be that his biggest ally in the world, the millionaire bad boy of Brexit, Aaron Banks, seemingly countered his position on mass deportations on X today. So Aaron wrote, anyone who comes to the UK legally should be back to the country of origin. If it's Afghanistan, then bad luck, don't come here. The millions that settled here legally because the Conservative Party encouraged mass immigration came legally and have a right to stay. We should deport the Conservative politicians who did it. Any person who arrived in the last 10 years involved in

serious crime should have their nationality revoked and be returned from the country of origin. Now, Ben Astin pushed him specifically on this, saying there are estimated to be as many as 1 million illegal migrant men in the UK. There will be tens or hundreds of thousands more by the time Farage is elected. Do you think reform should commit to deport these people? And Aaron Banks replied quite simply, yes, anyone who entered illegally should go. Otherwise, the law means nothing and more come. And that is a clear split now on the issue of mass deportations between Aaron Banks and Nigel Farage. Sadly, reform's solution at the moment to what is, I think, a genuine and important debate over the future of Britain

seems to be becoming more controlling, even trying to silence its members. LBC reported today Reform UK organisers and members threatened with dismissal if they speak to the media. And Reform's natural allies in the independent media space do see what's going on here. For example, Carl Benjamin of Lotus Eaters, who posted they are battening down the hatches in an attempt to weather the storm, further tyrannising their own membership over a row that simply didn't need to happen. And Mike Graham of Talk, who has been the best in the legacy media space on this issue, added, reform needs to bring their vote together, but it's obvious they won't. They care more about

the legacy media. And I do think that's a big problem because we are entering a new world. The narrative cannot be controlled anymore by the usual gatekeepers. Reform needs to embrace this moment, not run away from it. Now, the superstar panel. Both stars of the independent media, Ezra Levant, the publisher of Rebel News and the freedom fighter Montgomery Toms. So, Ezra, what do you make of the fact that Nigel Farage seems to be wanting to die on this hill of saying mass deportations out of the United Kingdom is not practical. But he's wrong. I mean, let's say there's a mid-sized jet that could have 250 people on it.

Could you have 10 flights a day from Heathrow to places around the world? Sure you could. That's a blip. So that's 2,500 people a day just with 10 flights, and then multiply that by 365 days a year. If my math is correct, just 10 flights a day is 750,000 people. That's huge. That's not undoable. And it's not just the deportations that are doable. It's the message they would send to the little boats crossing the English Channel, which is the same message that Trump has managed to project in America, which is we are going to such lengths to deport people that you better not even try to come. It's not just the deportations. It's the deterrence of more trafficking.

There are so many airports in the UK. London itself is such an air transport hub. Of course, in the US, they're also using military jets. But I think that you could sign a... Let me throw one more thing at you on this. Let's say that people would say, well, that's expensive. That's 500 pounds or 1,000 pounds per ticket, maybe. Yeah, well, compare that to the cost of subsidized housing, subsidized welfare. I know you have slightly different names for these things in the UK. Medical care, policing. I mean, there are so – and frankly, if you removed hundreds of thousands of illegals from the UK, that would reduce the cost of housing in some superheated markets.

Yep. Everything would be better in the UK if you had deportation look at sweden the scandinavian countries paying people a bounty to leave like paying them up to 10 000 pounds that sounds like a shocking amount of money but that is a fraction of what these folks cost the British taxpayer over the course of their lifetime. Montgomery Toms, where do you stand on the issue of mass deportation? Well, I've actually publicly not spoken about mass deportation or the immigration issue hugely. I've actually been quite patient, especially with reform. You know, I've been very, very mistrustful of kind of left and right politics and the mainstream sort of approach to the political system um but obviously of what happened in america and looking at at trump's stance especially on mass deportation has

got me thinking and a lot of other young people thinking about about these issues um my position is okay so i live in london um and i'm a young person who lives in london and worse than that i'm a young white person who lives in who went to university and had to deal with the sort of obsession with diversity and inclusion politics and why immigration is somehow really really favored in the uk as being a positive influence on our culture, which I never really thought I had to care about until, obviously, these kind of things were happening to me. You know, I go out into London and I really start to observe what mass migration means for the UK

and how someone like myself, who is quite a traditional English straight white male, which these days can obviously be a bit of a problem. What a terrible thing. A terrible thing, a straight white man. Goodness gracious me. You've got no hope. It's kind of got me thinking about these issues. Now, do I think that mass deportation is the answer? Quite honestly, I don't know if I'm in a position to be able to comment quite so specifically. But what is very saddening is the fact that a topic like this can be used to be able to comment quite so specifically but what is very saddening is the

fact that a topic like this can be used to be so divisive and as I said I've been biding my time reform and I've been very patiently taking a back seat and looking to see if Farage is kind of the answer to our problems and you know I don't believe that there is one person who's going to solve all of the UK's problems but the fact that this can't be debated in a sensible and amicable manner is very, very upsetting and very, very worrying. And I really like Rupert. I really like what he said. I really like especially I like his transparency at times. And the fact that this conflict has taken place more than anything, it's it's just'd say, disappointing, especially for those who were looking at reform as being the answer. Well, indeed, we need hope, don't we? We desperately need hope, Ezra Levant, because of the tyranny that has been unleashed by this socialist Labour government. Now, how significant an intervention do you think Douglas Murray is in the spectators today?

Because he's not rabble rousing. He's not trying to get involved in this personal warfare between Rupert Lowe and Nigel Farage. He's just saying, if you want to replace the Conservative Party, you're going to have to have a better policy than what they did. I love Douglas Murray. party you're gonna have to have a better policy than what they did i love douglas murray he's so bright and if i'm using the word right he's just a little bit posh and he talks about that sometimes he says if you look and sound like douglas murray you can say things that you can't say if you look and sound like tommy robinson i mean I mean, Douglas Murray has a formal education. He speaks with a received pronunciation. I mean, he's just got that certain fancy English about him.

And so I don't think Douglas Murray is really going to resonate with working-class Brits, but it's sort of a scolding of the more fancy political elite that, look, you're going to miss the boat here. Hey, Dan, can I tell you a really quick story? Please. You know where I was last 4th of July? Now, I'm a Canadian.

In America, 4th of July is their big Independence Day holiday. I spent the 4th of July last year in Clacton-on-Sea. I went to Nigel Farage's home turf on his election night, and I didn't know what I was getting in for, because I didn't know that you Brits all meet together in one room. All the ballots are there. They're all verified, and they're all the party. It's sort of wonderful, but it didn't end until 4 a.m.,

because every ballot was counted and checked by hand, and all the scrutineers. I loved every moment of it. But I was there for eight hours. And you know what I did for eight hours, Dan? What? I talked to everybody. Yes.

Or more to the point, everybody talked to me. Yes. Everybody in Nigel Farage's team. Because Tommy Robinson had just come back from Canada. And I don't know if you remember, Dan. Yes. When Tommy came to Canada to do a speaking tour, he was arrested in Canada and we had to get him out of jail. It was a whole thing. So that was fresh on the mind of some Brits. So when I was there in Clacton-on-Sea, all these Reform UK

people recognized me and wanted to talk to me. I talked to dozens. And here's my point of telling you that story. I spent eight hours with the Roar Forum UK team right in Nigel Farage's heartland. Every single one of them was a Tommy aficionado. They were asking me about him. And how did this happen? And is he okay? They were following him so intensely and then it was like at around 2 a.m or whatever when Nigel Farage pulled up in the in the big um SUV and came out well then all the local reform officials who were chatting with me they sort of did up their suit jacket a bit and then they were

um you know they weren't talking about Tommyy anymore they were hanging out with the big boss nigel my point dan is that if you ask your ordinary reform uk member i'm talking grassroots i'm talking working class i'm talking about the people hillary clinton would call deplorables you know what i mean oh yes the forgotten people morrissey in one of his, would call him nobody's nothing. The people that have been forgotten by Tommy is fighting against unlimited immigration for freedom of speech. And he's talking about the rape gangs when others lack the courage to do so. So they don't love everything about Tommy, but they love those things. And I saw it with my own eyes in Nigel Farage's backyard. So when he disparages Tommy or has a civil war in his own party over Tommy, I can tell you

he's not just shooting at Tommy Robinson. He's shooting at every single one of the people I met that day in Clacton-on-Sea. Absolutely fascinating. Fascinating insight, actually, into why this row, I think, goes to the very heart and soul of what the Reform UK party will be. Breaking right now, the Daily Mail has claimed that the secret row going on inside Reform UK is specifically over the party's position on Tommy Robinson. So let me take you through this article from the columnist Dan Hodges. No fan of Tommy Robinson or Reform UK, it has to be said. However, very, very well sourced on this matter. He writes, adopting ever more extreme stances or force them out. Lowe is simply their useful idiot. Yet there is no prospect of them succeeding, for the very simple reason that the voters won't

allow it. Reform are currently leading the Tories and closely challenging Labour in the national polls, averaging around 23% of the vote. Their support has taken a hit as a result of Farage's unwise dalliance with Donald Trump. But disillusionment with the main two parties is still raw and reform remain on course to make major gains in the local elections. Those gains will mean nothing if the extremists attempting to dislodge or neuter Farage are successful. Britain knows the difference between those who reflect legitimate anger at the collapse of our borders and those who want to use that collapse to prosecute their divisive agenda. They know that Islamic extremism, not Muslims, is the enemy, and they can clearly see football hooligan Tommy Robinson for what he is.

So two things will happen. Either Nigel Farage will win his fight with Rupert Lowe and Anas-e-Kahn will again descend for reform or Farage will walk away and reconstitute his party elsewhere, just as he reconstituted his other political vehicles. So let me bring in my superstar panel, Montgomery, Toms and Ezra Levent, publisher of Rebel News, a close ally of Tommy Robinson. Of course, this is the mainstream media position, which is that Tommy Robinson is evil. However, I think the Daily Mail is actually right on this one.

Ezra, Tommy Robinson is at the heart of this row. Nigel Farage, for whatever reason, cannot bring himself to embrace your guy, a guy who you've supported for a long time, at all. And I don't think he should embrace Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson is tough to embrace, especially for a political party that's trying to win a majority. And by the way, I really admire Nigel Farage. I credit him for Brexit when no one thought it was possible. And his battle against Coutts, that fancy bank that debanked him and thousands of others. I actually think that was very principled and brave, actually. I think that maybe Nigel Farage, because of the size of his reputation and the fact that he's known for Brexit and other things besides just Islam, maybe Nigel is the only one who can beat the establishment parties. But as you – I think the whole theme of our show today is what does it profit you if you win but you in the end stand for nothing?

I think he's got to stand i think he can show a little more courage and donald i mean look america is different i know and trump is one of a kind i know but i think that actually if nigel farage would show more boldness i think he would get more support he's terrified of being labeled far right i know that in america at least that kind of name calling cancel culture has sort of been spent yes i don't think it works as much anymore i don't know about the uk i just wish i think nigel i don't know if i admire rupert law i love him i just don't know if he's got the name and the reputation and the horsepower and the connections. And he's not a household name like Nigel. Tommy Robinson shines a light on things that others don't.

It doesn't mean Tommy should be an MP. It means we should protect Tommy's civil rights, and I think we should listen to some of the things he says. I think this – I just wish it could be patched up. I hate to see these men quarrel, but at the end of the day, if I'm being a pragmatist, I think only Nigel can win. Okay, that's really interesting, actually. Montgomery Toms, where do you stand on the issue of whether Reform UK should embrace or support Tommy Robinson? Or actually, are they wise to say, no, we don't want to be labelled far right, so we've got to keep our distance from this guy?

Well, look, the people want to be listened to. And I think that this is really, really, really important, especially for reform as a growing party, because ultimately, over the past four or five years specifically, I think we can all agree that we have seen some bizarre attacks on kind of democracy and mass authoritarianism and lockdowns and jab mandates and all of these crazy things. And there's a lot of people who have shifted from kind of resisting that level of authoritarianism who are now in support and looking at reform kind of for answers.

But something that we should not lose sight of is the fact that the people, especially in the UK, are meant to be at the heart of democracy. That's the whole nature of democracy. The people's voices are listened to. So if reform support base, or let's not even say reform support base, just the people in general, are looking for a conversation and an endorsement of debate not to say i'm going to take a position on endorsing tommy robertson but to say but let's have a public open proper discussion and invite the likes of rupert lowe for example to have that kind of conversation and that should be welcomed and i think it's incredibly stupid and foolish to to not open up the possibility of that well of conversation.

Well, of course, because one of the huge issues here, and actually I love the way that Ezra puts it, because it's not about necessarily embracing Tommy Robinson, saying that everything he does is great and that he should be a member of reform. And Tommy has confirmed personally to me, by the way, that he doesn't want to be a member of reform. He just wants reform to stop attacking him. But the problem for me is a question of demonization.

And it's the mainstream media that have demonized Tommy Robinson for a very long time. Remember, I worked in the British mainstream media for 20 years. I know it's impossible to talk about Tommy Robinson in the mainstream media if you want to keep your job. You're just not allowed to do it. And we saw a really great example about this on LBC, left-wing station these days, but a right-wing host at breakfast time, Nick Ferrari. And when he was interviewing Howard Cox today, now Howard Cox is a great guy, Fairfuel campaigner, recently thrust out of Reform UK specifically for his support of Tommy Robinson on this show which can I say was measured and balanced and was saying look we've just got to be careful we don't have political prisoners but still he was gone and the moment he raises Tommy Robinson look at how Nick Ferrari turns. Actually, what we're seeing is a

dictatorship. It's nothing less than a dictatorship. You are thrown under the bus if you criticise anything. And I'm one of those people who have been thrown under the bus, along with people like Ben Habib and now Rupert Lowe. Why were you thrown under the bus, Mr Cox? What was your, quote, crime? Well, I agree with most of Reform UK's policies. That's why I stood for them, no problem at all. But there's one that I disagree with, and it's the way they've treated Tommy Robinson. And I stood up for Tommy Robinson, and I got, three or four days before I decided to leave the party, a text from Richard Tice, who simply said,

Howard, if you continue to support Tommy Robinson, you will be expelled. And this is supposed to be a party of free speech. You don't have to support Tommy Robinson. I have to say, why would you want to support this convicted criminal? I'm glad you think it's a laughing matter. He nearly prejudiced a trial.

Yes, but we can go on and talk about Tommy Robinson. Well, let's not, because that probably is a laughing matter. He nearly prejudiced a trial. Yes, but we can go on and talk about... Well, let's not, because that probably is a separate conversation. So you're saying you're not allowed to express individual views within the top ranks of reform. Is that what you're saying, Mr Cox? You'd better stay with that conversation. That's exactly right, Nick. And I along, my inbox is flooded with people from branches right across the country, reform branches,

chairmen have been thrown out, pushed out. In fact, whole complete reform parties have been thrown out. Take Amber Valley, for example. They've now set up, the Amber Valley ex-reformers, have now set up an independence group. But Ezra Levin, isn't that so instructive, that whole dialogue? So Nick Ferrari immediately feels that he has to say, Tommy Robinson, terrible, terrible man, prejudice to trial.

When Howard Cox actually wants to have an intelligent discussion about the truth of the situation and about the fact that it's nuanced, he immediately gets told to move on. We're just not even going to have the conversation. And unfortunately, that is so representative of virtually all of the British mainstream media. It's basically like Tommy Robinson is the worst person in the world, or we're just going to ignore him altogether. You know, if that standard that Richard Tyson imposed there were to be imposed on the Reform UK team in Clacton-on-Sea, 90% of the people would be gone.

I'm just saying they're all Tommy fans. Now, they're wise. I think there's a common sense of the common man in Clacton-on-Sea. Nigel Farage's team aren't going around leaving with Tommy. And it's correct what Nick Ferrari says. He is a convicted criminal. So was Martin Luther King Jr., by the way. So was Nelson Mandela.

I'm not comparing Tommy to those saintly figures, but I'm saying that is not necessarily a disqualification. And in fact, can I, if we've got the time, I'd like to tell a 60-second anecdote about that allegation that Nick Ferrari made about Tommy Robinson almost scuppering a trial. You heard him say it. He almost upended a rape gang trial. Almost, almost. That's not quite true. The trial was over. The jury had rendered its verdict. It was judgment day.

So the jury was done. All that was happening is that the accused rapists were coming into court with their prison bags. They would find out the verdict. And, in fact, they were found guilty and were sent away. And all Tommy was doing was standing on the steps of the court, asking them as they walked into the court, how do you feel about your chances today? How do you feel about your verdict today? That's literally all he asked.

So to say that that action, after a trial was concluded on verdict day, almost upended a trial is factually false. And I just want to say that because I've heard that same Nick Ferrari line again and again. It's used all the time. Look, let me just say one thing about Tommy Robinson. He's not running for office. He's not looking to be endorsed by Nigel Farage. Why can't Nigel Farage or Rupert Lowe or any of these people, when asked,

what do you feel about Tommy Robinson, say, look, he's not someone we would want to run for our party for a number of reasons. But even if we disagree him on A, B, and C, we can still be worried about the issues he exposes. A sign pointing the way to Tipperary doesn't have to go to Tipperary itself. The sign, you know, that's not a great analogy, but my point is the person pointing out the flaws in society doesn't have to be perfect himself is there something we can learn from everyone and in tommy's case there is and by the way keir starmer was bloody lucky that jd vance didn't bring up tommy's uh i was so gutted it well i keir starmer should consider himself lucky imprisoned in solitary confinement. Well, Keir Starmer should consider himself lucky because I know that a lot of people in Trump's circle are on that.

And why would that have been an embarrassing moment for Keir Starmer? Because it is so outlandish. And by the way, I think Nigel even said it when he was coming up the escalator at some event. I think he was scrummed on this.

And he did say that the he did solitary confinement was a bit excessive so i i think that this is an all or nothingness here that you don't need you can say look tommy robinson has a lot of flaws um but there are some things he points out that i think should be taken in consideration by polite company uh by by people in the judiciary, by people in parliament. And we don't have to agree with everything Tommy says or does to realize he's unearthed some important issues. Why not say that?

I say that. I've never in my life said Tommy's an angel. I know about a lot of his shenanigans and he's a rough customer, partly because of the path he's been forced to take, partly because of the, like he really has been treated as an enemy of the state. It's miraculous that he's been forced to take, partly because of the, like, he really has been treated as an enemy of the state.

It's miraculous that he's still keeping going. Well, exactly. It's like Katie Hopkins as well, isn't it? It's like if you try and destroy someone, then of course you push them into having to live in quite an extreme way. Montgomery Toms, I know that you really became politically engaged over the course of the pandemic when you saw the dishonesty from the mainstream media do you

feel like they are also dishonest when it comes to the way that they cover the tommy robinson case what are they honest about i mean the mainstream media you know is a tool to manipulate and convince the general public of anything which is on the current agenda isn't it um i mean i think one thing that's super important and i know i might sound like a broken record but it is debate um and one thing we mustn't adopt is there's nothing there's everything wrong with saying oh i hold these politics or maybe more right-wing politics and maybe you agree with that or disagree with that. But if you adopt the same mentality that the kind of far left adopt of not being able to

debate and being incredibly emotional and not capable of hashing out difficult ideas, then there is no future for politics or progression, especially in the UK. And I think that that's something we need to be really sensitive about is having conversations which are difficult. And if reform don't come forward and have that kind of conversation, then there's going to be a real problem. And I remember when Tice came out after one of the Tommy rallies and said that he doesn't endorse Tommy Robinson. And I was really, really shocked because it's really easy to word things carefully and be nuanced and say, look, no, I don't endorse the whole of Tommy Robinson, but there could be something he's got to say, which is useful,

and that the British public wants to be discussed publicly. Unless that happens, that's really, really concerning. Yes. And when it comes to the Muslim rape gangs, Nigel Farage this week tried to claim credit, saying he had fought against the rape gangs for over a decade. Now, we had two interesting responses from women who I respect highly. First, Sammy Woodhouse, who's working for you, Ezra, at the moment at Rebel News. Please explain to us what it is you've done to fight for over a decade, Nigel. I offered to work with your party for free and no one was interested. The only person in the party that ever reached out to myself was Rupert

Lowe. And Samantha Smith, another survivor of the rape gang, said, no, you haven't, Nigel. You only started fighting Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs when it became politically convenient for you. Don't you dare try to claim credit for the decades of work done by survivors while you sat in willful ignorance like the rest of the political elite. And Ezra, I have huge respect for both Samantha Smith and Sammy Woodhouse, and I found those responses to Farage really visceral, actually. I don't know where Sammy and Samantha get their courage. It's amazing to me. We're delighted to have Sammy Woodhouse working with Rebel News. She has such moral authority. And I agree with her. Every once in a while, the establishment goes through a performance to say how much they care. And then they hit this news button. And I don't know if you have time for a quick anecdote. But when Tommy Robinson worked for Rebel News, there was a case of Chelsea Wright from Sunderland. And she was a young woman, went to a bar, and next thing she knows, she wakes up

in a house with five migrant men, half naked. She breaks her way out, screaming in the streets. The police come, take her, do a rape test, two different DNA samples. But the five migrant man inside are let go. No one's charged. And the police and the Crown Prosecution refused to prosecute. It's even worse. We tried to hire a lawyer to represent Chelsea and the law firm took it. She's a rape victim. And the day later, the law firm wrote us a letter saying we had a meeting, and for reputational reasons, we will not take Chelsea's case. What?

She's just an ordinary person. fancy pants downtown big city law firm with all the wigs so grand wouldn't take her case because they were worried about being seen to oppose muslim migrants they wouldn't take a rape victim's case that's that's crazy the establishment in the uk is there anything different now and when Rotherham happened and was first discussed and frankly it was Sammy Woodhouse who blew the whistle on that what's changed can you tell me what's changed are you telling me there's no more rape gangs are you telling me that there's no more aversion to prosecuting them or defending these victims the fear of being called racist that's what is animating Nigel if you read the inquiry into Rotherham and if you do a word search for the word racist again and again social workers doctors

police everyone when they're asked why the hell didn't you say something they say every time we were afraid of being called racist that is what is holding Nigel Farage back and half of the British elite. So true. So true. But people have to be bold and have to be brave. And congratulations for Sammy Woodhouse and Samantha Smith for all of the work they have done. Breaking right now, growing fury at the British bashing corporation over its refusal to properly cover the persecution of Christians the world over, which in recent days and weeks includes the beheading of Christians. Two major developments on this today. First, a big protest outside BBC headquarters led by the Disciples of Christ organisation and Nick Tencone of the UKIP party. Watch some of it.

BBC traitors, cowards, they just lie. BBC traitors, cowards, they just lie. BBC traitors, cowards, they just lie. BBC, Dredges, Cowards, they just lie. Plus, Douglas Murray has weighed in on a new direct address. I'll get analysis from Ezra Levant of Rebel News and the independent journalist and commentator Montgomery Toms. But first, have a look at what Douglas had to say. That is the situation of the persecuted Christian churches, particularly in the Middle East and in Africa. In recent weeks, in one incident alone in Congo, 70 Christians were abducted and beheaded by Islamist militia. That's just on one occasion.

In more recent days, in Syria, the ancient Christian churches of that country have once again been under attack. It turns out that the Islamists who now run Syria aren't that great or greatly concerned about protecting Christian minorities and who could have seen that coming. But the real question about all this, which I hear from many people, including many readers, is why is there so little attention to this? Why is there so little news or reaction to atrocities like those I just described?

Israel Event, the publisher of Rebel News, we have seen the most revolting anti-Semitism from the BBC. I call them the British Bashing Corporation over the past two years. But they're also now openly Christian as well. Can you answer Douglas Murray's question at all? Do you understand why the mainstream media are so reluctant to cover these atrocities against Christians the world over? I think it goes to what I said a moment ago. It's because the perpetrators in those cases are politically correct, protected categories. You know, Majid Nawaz, who's a Pakistani British Muslim man himself, I remember when he went on LBC a few years ago and said, the reason Tommy Robinson is talking

about the rape gangs is because every other white man is afraid to. And he said, I'm Pakistani Muslim, so I'm not afraid to say it. Eighty percent plus of the rapists are Pakistani Muslim. And the vast majority of the victims are indigenous, white, Christian British girls. So it's the perfect storm. You have an untouchable group of people who committed the atrocities, and you have a nobody's nothing demographic who were the victim of the atrocities. And Majid Nawaz had the ability to say that because you're not going to call him Islamophobic or racist. Same thing here. These Christians being slaughtered in Iraq,

who is doing the slaughtering? Because it is this, you know, revived Al-qaeda group in syria they're getting a pass and a lot of the the slaughter in africa is from boko haram or other islamist terrorist groups there look people are afraid of saying it they would rather listen if you would imagine a whole city that would allow 1400 of its girls to be raped rather than to say an unkind word. There's something wonderful about the British sense of restraint and generosity and fair play and politeness. But every once in a while, you know, I think, you know, I think Britain has to stand up and be a lion every once in a while. My favorite poet after Shakespeare is, oh my God, I just forgot his name. How can he be my favorite poet if I forgot his name?

He wrote The Man Who Would Be King. He wrote When the English Began to Hate. Do you know that poem? Let me read it to you just for a first line. Kipling. Do you mean Kipling? It's by Kipling. I for a first line. Kipling. Do you mean Kipling? It's by Kipling. I can't believe I forgot Kipling.

I was just thinking, am I correct? You know what? I'm the biggest Kipling fan around. I can't believe I just missed it. Can I read to you two stanzas? Please, please. This is Kipling about 120 years ago. It was not part of their blood.

It came to them very late, with long arrears to made good, when the English began to hate. They were not easily moved. They were icy willing to wait till every count should be proved, ere the English began to hate. Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither sign nor show when the English began to hate.

I'm almost done, Dan. It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud when the English began to hate. I'm almost done, Dan. It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud when the English began to hate. Last stanza. It was not suddenly bred. It will not swiftly abate through the chill years ahead when time shall count from the date that the English began to hate. I think what Kipling is saying there is the British are not a hateful people. They're slow to hate. They're peaceful and happy and kind and they give their fair play and they give people the benefit of the doubt. But if you rape all their women and if you take advantage of their

country and destroy it, maybe the British, well, I don't know, it's been 120 years since kipling wrote this and maybe the british are still not roused i don't want the british to hate i don't want a hateful britain i would hate to see such a thing but but how far can you push the british how much punishment can you mete out to indigenous people especially people in the north especially working class people you know tommy robinson is a symptom as much as anything as not as as much you know was pointed out because others are not up to the task others have stood down you would not have a tommy robinson if others were doing their duty political duty police duty doctor's duty journalistic duty tommy Tommy Robinson is a symptom of an establishment class that hit the snooze button.

Lifeguard, sleeping, girl drowning. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, that was beautiful. Beautifully put. Lovely to hear that. Just want to go back, Montgomery, to this BBC protest. protest because uh they explained the disciples of christ explained on x that they crashed a bbc staff party where they gorged themselves on our money these journalists are celebrating

their promotion of islamist propaganda and anti-christian bias we say no more boycott the bbc and we have some footage actually of that moment at the headquarters where they did end up having to put the shutters down. Communist scum off our streets! Communist scum off our streets! You pay for this, the taxpayer. You, the taxpayer, are the customer. You pay for this. Central London gorging themselves at the taxpayer expense. Shame on the BBC. Shame on the BBC. Shame on the BBC. Look at them having a lavish party in there on our money shame on you shame on you shame on you and then at the same protest nick marcel tanc, the leader of UKIP, actually called on David Lamy, the foreign secretary, to be deported. He posted on X, David Lamy is a second generation migrant who is publicly identified as Caribbean, not British, and demanded he be paid reparations.

While serving as foreign secretary, Lamy has lifted sanctions on the terrorist regime in Syria and sent 50 million pounds to the Islamist nation who are currently genociding Christians. By his own words and actions, Lamy has shown he's not British UKIP would deport traitor Lamy. And he also had this to say on that at the protest. Top tip, David Lamy, who knows who David Lamy is? He's our foreign secretary. Guess who lifted all sanctions against syria recently david lammy you are a traitor and we will be sending you home you don't identify as british you are here to subvert british culture you lifted sanctions on syria you call yourself a christian

you're going home montgomery tom's your take on all of this well i mean the bbc what can i say you mentioned obviously previously my i was my my campaigning was born out of kind of lockdowns and how i thought there was severe amount of uh disinformation um it's funny i use that term but right back at you bbc uh the bbc is an absolute joke i I would encourage anyone of course to not pay a TV licence. But one thing which is important about kind of demonstrating as well and protests like this, because I remember seeing this footage, it is about holding the BBC to account as the people. I don't think we should be looking at anyone to do that job for us. I mean I'm a Christian and when it comes to Christians taking responsibility for

defending British values, and even if you're not a Christian, but just a cultural Christian who appreciates British culture as it is, you know, you have a responsibility to fight back against the kind of mocking and cover up of where we come from and what we stand for. And whilst, as British people, we are very polite, there is a certain red line that we should not... Sorry, there's a certain red line that has been crossed. And the Church of England... And do you know what? I've been in search of a good quality church in England, in London, and I've really struggled because I haven't found one church which reflects very, very traditional Christian values. And, you know, there are churches that are flying Ukraine flags or an LGBTQIA so forth alphabet flag. And it's just

incredibly frustrating. So my take on it is that, first of all, the BBC should just be defunded as a whole, but also Christians or cultural Christians or just members of the British public should be taking the BBC on, removing their TV licence and rejecting mainstream media as a whole because it is a toxic enterprise which does not represent the true identity of british culture and also the people in general fascinating stuff stand by montgomery toms and israel event because in just one minute uh i'm gonna ask israel what he knows about this potential envoy to America for Tommy Robinson, where a whole load of high profile people have been asked, including folk like former Prime Minister Liz Truss, to meet with J.D. Vance. So we'll get the latest on that from Ezra Levant in just one minute. But first, you know how often I talk about the need for free speech to be protected? Well, I've been thinking increasingly of the need for personal protection too, from snoopers, bad actors, and hackers online. I'm delighted to tell you I have now found the fail-safe solution.

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concerns about Tommy Robinson behind bars at HMP Woodhill. Ezra Levant, the publisher of Rebel News, and Jordan Peterson on his Daily Wire podcast recently admitted the fact that they are even concerned he could die while incarcerated. I'm delighted to say Ezra rejoins me now alongside Montgomery Toms on my superstar panel. And Ezra, there is growing talk from the likes of businessman Paul Thorpe of a major delegation going to Washington, D.C. to try and get time with the U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance to directly put the case of Tommy Robinson to the Trump administration. Do you have any knowledge or update on where things are at there? I actually don't. And I'm sorry, I can't be of assistance. But I know that a lot of people who are, let's say, Trump adjacent, care about Tommy's case. There's a young lady who works for Urban Scoop, which is Tommy's

company. Her name is Ms. Richter. And I saw her attend some American conservative functions, ones called CPAC, for example. And she scrummed anyone she could find asking them about Tommy. So, and almost everyone in the U. the US knew what she was talking about. And, you know, you could argue how close to the center of the Oval Office these different people are. But Steve Bannon, for example, I mean, he's fairly influential. And, and I think Tommy is becoming an American story, not just a UK story. And course, the most dramatic example of this is Elon Musk, who on New Year's Day tweeted, free Tommy Robinson. And by my guess, I think he made dozens of tweets about Tommy.

And by the way, further to our earlier conversation, Elon Musk acknowledged that Tommy did admit to contempt of court. Yeah. But why is he in solitary confinement for nine months? That's the problem that the U.K. has. I don't think anyone in America, including people who want to land a punch on Keir Starmer, I don't think anyone would say you're allowed to violate a court order with impunity. And Tommy pled guilty to that, by the way. But nine months in solitary, 21 hours a day in a locked cell, your visits being cut off.

By the way, they turned off GB News in the prison. Did you hear about that? Oh, I did. The one channel that Tommy liked. I mean, just crazy weird stuff. Taking his son off his phone call yes there's so many like all these things are punitive and petty and that's i think what really pricks the conscience of americans and americans and canadians look up to the uk as the place where freedom of speech was really born and fought for. And Keir Starmer said to Trump in Vance's face,

oh, no, we really value free speech. Really? Really? Are you sure you do? Because every single day there's proof of these antisocial orders and cops coming around because of a Facebook post. I don't know. I don't know. So I don't know about this delegation you're talking about, but it wouldn't shock me if they had some sort of interaction, not with Trump himself and maybe not even with J.D. Vance.

But, you know, if I were the British government, I would have some sort of a plan on what to say and do if the dam breaks here. I mean, it's something for Elon Musk to tweet. Imagine if Trump tweeted something. I don't think he would. I don't think he would. But if J.D. Vance got into a sparring match with, you know, David Lammy over it or boy, the fireworks. I know.

I mean, I'm desperate for that to happen for obvious reasons. Now, Ezra, for folk who don't know, you have a long history with Tommy Robinson. He even worked for you at Rebel News at one point. I think you found that a little bit difficult. However, you have since supported him financially, emotionally. You have funded lots of his legal cases. So was it a real relief for you when Elon Musk came in and said, actually, he was going to take some of that brunt and actually agree to bankroll, sorry, at least, I think, two of the current legal cases that Tommy's facing? Yeah, I'm happy to talk about this, because it's already in the public domain. And it was not so much a relief, but an amazement. I was

struck by the generosity of Elon Musk, that he doesn't just talk the talk, he puts his own skin in the game. And it really happened and uh his generosity he can't i mean i was just blown away when was the last time you ever saw anyone doing that and and i know he's done that for other people in other jurisdictions as well uh he's put a lot of his own wealth at risk by being so political there's there's people who wish him harm um you know half the uk cabinet has talked about arresting him or grilling him or summoning him to parliament uh other countries too from germany to poland to ukraine even though he's helping ukraine with starlink no i i guess

my number one feeling was amazement gratitude and excitement that such an influential man at the heart of the U.S. economy and the heart of the U.S. government is on Tommy's side. So it really, you know, as the kids say, it white-pilled me. And how did it happen? Maybe we're going to make it after all. How did it happen? Can you talk at all about it? You know, forgive me, I want to keep that confidential

because I don't want to lose anyone's trust by telling tales out of school. And then the other day you appear on Jordan Peterson's highly successful Daily Wire podcast. Last time I checked, you know, this particular episode has over a million views on YouTube alone. And this was almost serving as another reminder to Elon Musk. Don't forget. And this is where you and Jordan Peterson both expressed your very real fears that Tommy Robinson could be killed or die behind bars. And you actually revealed, Ezra, and I don't know if you could go into a little bit more detail about it, but that you have had a conversation with Tommy personally about that

actually happening. And it's a very real fear that you both share. Yeah. I mean, Tommy hasn't worked for me in a number of years, and I'm not even sure if he worked for me when he worked for me. I don't think Tommy ever has a boss. He doesn't work for someone else. Yeah. I mean, it was quite an experience. He's lightning in a bottle. I don't think he's meant to work in a corporation or for a boss, but we're still friends. And I remember when he was put in prison for that court where he was asking the rape gangs, how do you feel about your verdict today? They put him in the hole.

They put him in solitary back then. And he couldn't eat food from the prison cafeteria because it was made by the prison gangs, which was an Islamist gang. One of the ways to survive in prison is to join a gang for protection. You join these Muslim gangs by converting. So they run the kitchen. And Tommy's not in the general population where you slide your tray down the cafeteria and someone scoops some stew in your plate. They have a special meal that saysy's name and it goes to his cell so he couldn't eat food made in the in the prison he had to buy a tin of tuna at one a day he lost 40 pounds in prison he almost died psychologically physically and that's what i'm worried about here is i think

he's getting enough food i think i don't know i haven't been allowed in to visit well he see he has lost well from what I'm hearing, Ezra, he's lost a huge amount of weight. When I saw him in December, he was only eating tinned tuna, and on visits he was able to eat the crisps and that sort of thing. And I think sometimes now they have stopped him being able to purchase And he's a civil prisoner. He shouldn't even be in that prison to begin with.

And solitary confinement is where you put people in prison who then commit a crime in prison. How do you punish a murderer who gets in a fight in prison? You put them in solitary for 72 hours to cool them off. You don't put a civil prisoner in solitary for nine months. That's a form of torture. Now, I got some news for you, Dan. I'm going to break this news today because I don't think this is a secret but i haven't seen it reported anywhere dan

next thursday the 20th and i'm pretty sure this is a public fact so i hope i'm not scooping anybody although it is your scoop dan um thank you there will be an emergency hearing at the high court in the royal courts of justice at the Strand in the morning to talk about the urgency of Tommy's prison situation. Wow. And there will be an outstanding King's counsel on his feet making the case before a judge to intervene in how HMP Woodhill is handling Tommy. I won't go any further than that. The reason I feel confident saying this is because I believe it is a public fact. I just haven't seen it published anywhere. And is this one of the cases that Elon Musk is supporting? Yes. Wow. Okay. So Elon Musk is supporting two cases. And again, I say this because it's in the public domain.

One of them is the bogus charges under the Terrorism Act. You know the Terrorism Act in the UK? They can pick anyone up. Anyone. Foreign or national. At any port of entry or exit. Grill you for six hours and you don't have the right to remain silent. It's astonishing.

And they can actually demand the PIN for your cell phone password. And they demanded that of Tommy. He your cell phone password. And they demanded that of Tommy. He said, no, I have confidential and privileged things in there. As a journalist, you can't give it up. And he is an independent journalist. You know, you don't need to work for a mainstream media organization as people like you, Montgomery Toms, prove. How do you feel about the treatment of Tommy behind bars? And do you feel that he is a political prisoner? Well, it makes me very suspicious because really it's like there's a conscious attack to slander Tommy

and sort of disrupt his title and name. But obviously that's been happening for quite some time now, but it's like they don't really want to stop um you know without going too too far away from your point i think you can even link this and and look at the the case with the tate brothers similar thing there a lack of well complete bias in the news and not interested at all in looking at any alternative sort of viewpoints um and then of course in the mainstream media and the bbc and so forth you know not interested in exploring that either do i think you know that there is something to be looked into here and debated 100 yes um and i don't think that tommy's you know so-called crime warrants this kind of treatment and if the fact he is getting this kind of treatment based on the

so-called crime he's committed it raises instant instant alarm bells because Tommy, this has already been mentioned, I think is a symptom of something, a symptom of the British people. And if you can take down Tommy, then you can dishearten and disrupt the hope of many, many English, British citizens who thought there was potentially a gateway to a little bit of hope after we've seen such a miserable climate for the past four or five years. Very good point. Can I just, Ezra, just finally, I've just got a comment in the live chat, and I think this is worth putting to you because this is the feeling of some folk in regards to Tommy. So John Knox says, Tommy has been in prison for stupid reasons before and will land himself back in prison in the future.

He never learns. What would be your response to that? There's a grain of truth to it. But you know the old saying by Lavrentiy Beria of the predecessor of the KGB, show me the man, I'll find you the crime. The way the British government has inspected everything, they've thrown the book at him. That terrorism arrest that I just mentioned, that's BS. Theoretically, they could do it to anyone in the world. But why

is it that they always do that to Tommy? I have witnessed half a dozen attempts at lawfare against Tommy, and I've never seen it against anyone else. Perhaps Julian Assange is the only other case that is comparable. If the state decides that they're going to come for you in the United Kingdom, they will. I suppose that's a risk with any judiciary. So I would say to Mr. Knox, yeah, there's some truth to it. The lad could perhaps be a little more careful, but Tommy's lightning in a bottle.

It's his nature. And it's, you know, it's a double-edged sword. There's pros and cons to him like anyone else. But what makes him so amazing is I truly believe there's a selflessness there. I sat in the court, Dan, and the judge said to him, if you take down that video from your Twitter feed, I will knock months off your prison term. Will you do it?

I would have done that. I would have spent time with my family. I would have said, let me do a victory lap. I put the, Tommy said no. He had the maximum sentence meted out against him. I'm sorry, that's Christ-like sacrifice of yourself. I'm not saying Tommy is a saint, but that one act of sacrificing his own freedom and his health, mental and physical, to make a point for freedom of speech, I'm sorry, that's one in a thousand people who would do that. Would you do that? Would you serve more time in solitary to stand on principle? That's why I love Tommy Robinson. Every once in a while, that guy is the hero that Britain needs.

And I accept that he's a rapscallion and a ragamuffin and a troublemaker i accept all that so what my heroes be perfect find me a better man and i'll cheer for him in the meantime it's tommy give me 30 seconds on one more point you talked about jordan peterson why would jordan peterson a man of such standing in america consort with such a ruffian. Why would Elon Musk? And the answer to that, Dan, is they're not part of the UK peer pressure class system. Everyone says they're not part of the same thing that caused that law firm to write the letter to me saying we're not going to defend the rape victim because of our reputation. The reason

why Americans and Canadians and foreigners find it easier to support Tommy is because we're not part of the, uh-oh, are they going to call me far right that's going on in Nigel Farage's head. Everything ties together because Brits are suffering under peer pressure. How does that peer pressure touch Jordan Peterson? It doesn't. How does it touch me here in Canada? It doesn't. That's the quirk here. That's why foreigners sometimes can see things more clearly in the UK than it can see about itself. That's my observation.

Totally. No, and thank goodness we have you at Rebel News because you've helped us so much during the pandemic. And now with the Tommy Robinson case, and of with uh the muslim rape gangs as well so ezra levant the publisher of rebel news you know i'm a massive fan of rebel news i recommend everyone follows and supports and montgomery toms a new voice in the independent british media who you can also subscribe to on youtube such a pleasure to have you both on the superstar panel today. Lots of comments coming through from you. Actually, it's been a fascinating show. And Stuart Grace wrote early on the whole idea of Nigel Farage and mass deportation. Sorry, Nigel, but deportation is

an absolute must. No negotiation on that matter. In my opinion opinion the illegals and criminals have to go uh lewis side bottom wrote hopefully the ousting of rupert low never goes away it is not so much about rupert low being ousted it is the baseless false accusations which have been used by nigel farage to silence him mr raw said douglas murray should team up with Rupert Lowe to kill the game. The thing is, and this is why I have so much respect for Douglas Murray, he doesn't want to be a politician. He's like me. We just want the best for this country. And I'm going to talk tomorrow, actually, with Conor Tomlinson. It's very telling, some of the people who are keeping quiet on this whole thing. Steve Wells says, Dan, I will never vote for a form. Well, dictator Nigel is there.

Who does he and his chairman think they are? They appear to be changing the story regarding a good man like Rupert Lowe, a man with morals. However, not everyone agrees, of course. And I understand that because John Knox says we only have five years at best to save the UK. We might not even have that much time before social unrest and civil war. Reform UK is the last chance for the UK. The alternative is to leave quickly. So I understand the division. I totally get it because of course we hoped that Reform UK would be the great hope at saving our United Kingdom. I just would argue that the past week doesn't exactly bode all too well in that respect.

Okay, Greatest Britain Union Jackass time. Three nominees for Union Jackass as ever from you. Steve Bray, nominated by JHP for just being a moron and that ludicrous clash with Lee Anderson yesterday. Karen Hanke nominated the Brazilian government who are building a new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest for the COP30 climate summit. Can you believe it?

And Jane Kendrick nominated Yvette Cooper for the treatment of Katie Amess and her refusal to grant the Amess family, and especially the wonderful Katie Amess, a public inquiry into the murder and the terrorist attack that led to the death of David Amess. The results are in. 18% of you going for the Brazilian government. 31% of you voting for that moron, Steve Bray. But today's union jackass is Yvette Cooper. And this now means we have quite a clash going on to be named the worst Britain in the world this week. So what I do is I put this up in my posts section straight after the main show. And what we do is we take the union jackasses from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

They go head to head to be named the worst Britain in the world at the end of tomorrow's show. This is really interesting because you've got three Labour socialists destroying our country. Yvette Cooper today, Angela Rayner Wednesday, David Lammy Tuesday. But Union Jack has on Monday, Wazir Yusuf, the chairman of Reform UK. He's up against the Labour mob. Who are you going to go for? It's up to you. We always get tens of thousands of votes for the worst Britain in the world this week. I'm really, really fascinated to see. Today's Greatest Britain is Enoch Burke, nominated by Anna Island. This is the Irish teacher, Christian. He stood up for trans, against the trans activist policies in Ireland and was jailed. Some suggestion that Trump is going to give him asylum for religious persecution in the US. Enoch Burke's family have travelled to Washington and there is speculation that that

could happen. So congratulations to him. Now, I'm very excited. I think I'm braced for this, though. You don't want to miss today's Uncancelled After show on Substack. www.outspoken.live. Lady Colin Campbell is going head to head with Norinda Kerr over this whole issue of Meghan Markle and whether the criticism of her show, With Love, Meghan, is as a result of racism. www.outspoken.live is the address. So at this stage, we come off YouTube and Rumble, we move to our own platform to continue the conversation in the uncancelled after show, www.outspoken.live. Paid subscribers are going to get access to this incredible clash. So I would love you to join.

I'm a bit nervous. I think it's about to get very spicy, folks. Back tomorrow, 5 p.m. UK time, 1 p.m. Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific. Just slightly different timing for the Eastern Pacific time zones while we have the difference in the daylight saving time between the UK and the US. Isn't that annoying? Why don't we do it all at the same time? Don't get that.

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