Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON EXPOSES MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD FOR DECLARING TOTAL CONTROL & TAKEOVER OF UK

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Sadiq Khan’s Islamist takeover of Trafalgar Square has finally resulted in a genuine political debate about the Muslim bid for British domination, just as Tommy Robinson exposes ...the Muslim Brotherhood which has released a message for Ramadan openly declaring the goal of Islam is total control and takeover. Appeasement of Islamism is futile, as leftist Australian Prime Minister discovered as he visited the country’s biggest mosque only to be branded a putrid dog as he had to be escorted out by security. Something is now changing in the culture, with John Cleese challenging Humza Useless: Meanwhile in Birmingham, Islamist Akhmed Yakood has threatened the police with legal action after his arrest overnight. Dan tackles it all with his Superstar Panel: Kellie Jay Keen – who runs the original Adult Human Female Channel on YouTube, Peter C Barnes – host of Politics Unspun on YouTube and Substack – and Reverend Canon Father Phil Harris. PLUS: Narinder Kaur clashes with Ulrika Jonsson as Nadiya Hussain’s lie that she was axed from the BBC because of her Muslim faith is destroyed by Allison Pearson. AND: Reform UK axes Big Brother contestant George Gilbert from the party, simply because he was booted from the show by Woke ITV. He’ll be here to reveal what’s gone on. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle tries to shrug off her Netflix axing with an unhinged red carpet appearance overnight. We team up with Tom Sykes of The Royalist podcast for all the latest. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 451. Happy Friday to you. Breaking right now, Sadiq Khan's Islamist takeover of Trafalgar Square has finally resulted in a genuine political debate about the Muslim bid for British domination, just as Tommy Robinson exposes the Muslim Brotherhood for releasing a message for Ramadan, openly declaring the goal of Islam, is total control and takeover. He says, yet Labour are busy banning criticism of these weirdos rather than banning them. Watch. Taking over the country, officially England's over. Now we need to think strategically to dominate the entire world.
Starting point is 00:00:53 As we witness the rise of divisive movements seeking to pedal prejudice and spread hate, we're for an antidote to those ugly forces. But when Muslims pray, suddenly is domination. And here's the irony so thick you could choke on it. Islamic prayer is not an act of domination. It's an act of submission. And appeasement of Islamism is futile. As leftist Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese
Starting point is 00:01:23 visited the country's biggest mosque only to be branded a putrid dog as he had to be rushed out by security. Why is protecting him? Why is protecting him? Get him out of the dramatic rise in from a phlegic attacks. In essence, we have been unable to better lobby and advocate to government in regards the policy and legislation that directly impacts our community.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Why is it in here? Get him out of here. Something is now changing in the culture here, though, with John Cleese. challenging, Hums are useless. Writing, isn't the Islamic contention to kill all non-Muslims worth a dog whistle or has beheading of infidels being recently dropped from the Islamic agenda? Meanwhile, in Birmingham, Islamist Ahmed Yakub has threatened the local police with legal action after his arrest overnight. When we arrived at his protest, the West Finland's police arrested Ahmed Akim.
Starting point is 00:02:31 They arrested him deliberately outside. here because they are succumbing with the Zionist pressure. Scott Ritter, Chief Constable of Westminster, please. Please get your checkbook ready because the claim is coming. Remember that. Now, it's in this climate that the British right continues to be split on what it means to be British. I'm English.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I'm ethnically English, but I'm nationally, I'm British national. And I think it's a culture, it's a frame of mind. It's just the way you behave whether or not you're British and where you're born maybe. But I think you can become British. It's just an attitude. And Kelly J Keane, who you just saw there and runs the original adult human female channel on YouTube,
Starting point is 00:03:23 is here on today's superstar panel to react after the Digest alongside Peter C. Barnes, host of Politics Unspun on YouTube and Substack, and Alfred Reverend Cannon, Father Phil Harris. Now, Father Phil, he is recovering, of course, from major back surgery, but he thinks that these topics are just too important today, so he has come from his sickbed, and I'm very, very grateful to him for doing so. Also, coming up on today's show, Nerinda Kor clashes with Alrika Johnson, as Nadia Hussein's lie that she was from the BBC because her Muslim faith is destroyed by Alison Pearson. There is a new nightmare today for the British Royal Family as the police investigation into
Starting point is 00:04:06 Andrew Mountbatten Windsor is expected to expand into corruption allegations. And Reform UK, Axe's Big Brother contestant George Gilbert from the party simply because he was booted from the show by Woke ITV. Well, George Gilbert will be here to reveal what's really going on. then in the Royal Uncanceled After Show on Substack, we've got Tom Sykes of the Royalist podcast to reveal a shocking story. He is accusing Buckingham Palace of corruption over its decision to hire Riannon Mills from Sly News to run King Charles's PR operation. This is an astonishing story. We'll get into it all over on Substack. www. outspoken.live is the address. At the end of the show, we'll always
Starting point is 00:04:55 also reveal today's worst Britain in the world this week. This is when we put your union jackasses from across the week head to head on Monday. It was Ed Davy. On Tuesday, it was Zach Polanski. On Wednesday, it was Sidney Khan on Thursday. It was Pierce Morgan. You can vote right now in the posts tab on YouTube. Last time I checked, you were incredible. We have had over 60,000 votes. I will reveal the winner and your comments at the end of today's show. But now let's go. Okay, so thank you, Nick Timothy. Thank you, Nick Timothy, for correctly describing Sadiq Khan's Islamist takeover of Trafalgar Square as a display of domination that clearly should be banned. And I thank him because as a result of that intervention, the MSM has been forced to discuss
Starting point is 00:05:44 the elephant in the room that threatens the very survival of Britain. But this must just be the start of this conversation because, trust me, what is going on inside the mosques is just as important. As we've taken over the country officially, England's over. Allaha Akbar. Yeah, what are we lining up for? This is historical. This is historical.
Starting point is 00:06:09 I don't see this for Fajah. Guys, we went down a whole alleyway and there's still a man here. Indeed, as Tommy Robinson still shamefully banned from the MSM and derided by the political establishment, including Reform UK, pointed out, so the Muslim Brotherhood release a Ramadan message to all UK Muslims, open to all UK Muslims, openly declaring the goal of Islam is total control and takeover. Yet Labour are busy banning criticism of these weirdos rather than banning them. It's time to go care. Now, if you think Tommy Robinson is exaggerating about this Muslim Brotherhood video,
Starting point is 00:06:44 remember this Muslim Brotherhood is legal in the UK, even though it is banned throughout much of the Islamist Middle East. Just watch this video. What is our collective strategy? What is our vision for the world? project for world reform. At least that is what Da'a'a means. Now we need to think strategically to dominate the entire world
Starting point is 00:07:12 and we lay things in a strategic way and according to our beliefs. Allah, subhāsa'u'u'a'a has honoured this Ummah with a responsibility to carry the message of Islam to the whole world. We are in a transformative phase and the what is to come is going to be totally different from what we have left behind. Now, how long that transformative phase is, only Allah knows. So they are saying the quiet bit out loud now, yet Sadiq Khan wants us to believe his polyanarish take of Islamism.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Even though in his post-Ramadan message, he made clear his priority is to the Middle East. and not to London. Asalam alaikum and Eve Mavarak. I want to send my warmest wishes to everyone celebrating Eve. Eid al-Fithra marks the end of Ramadan a month of fasting, prayers, charity and reflection. Throughout Ramadan, we've seen incredible acts of kindness from our Muslim communities,
Starting point is 00:08:19 fundraising for those in need, caring for the vulnerable, and giving generously to the charitable causes, both in London and around the world. This Eid, our thoughts and prayers are of course with all those innocent civilians suffering because of war and violence in Iran, Sudan, Ukraine, Lebanon, Paza and the wider Middle East region. I know many Londoners right now will be fearing for the safety of family and loved ones. As a city, we stand with you in our hope that peace can prevail.
Starting point is 00:08:50 In difficult times, I've drawn strength from the decency and softness of London's communities who never failed to bring light and hope to us all. to be a mayor of such an outward-looking and open-hearted city. We're the first city in the Western world to host a Ramadan lights display. And over the years we've hosted Ifthars are historic sites across London, including St Paul's Cathedral, Tile Bridge, the Royal Albert Hall and right here in Travaga Square. As we witness the rise of divisive movements seeking to pedal prejudice
Starting point is 00:09:19 and spread hate, we're for an antidote to those ugly forces. Spread hate, oh yeah. Because there's no hate, Saddik, is there, when it comes to Islam. Islam? No hate at all. Even to the non-Muslim leaders who have given into Muslim extremism with the type of suicidal empathy that is destroying the West. As advanced UK leader Ben Habib put it in response, he sends out a celebratory message with comments switched off. This man is gaslighting the British people. Trafalgar Square was not a peaceful gathering to pray. It was a show of strength. From Lawrence Fox, it has to be said not so politely. Please fuck off. And when you have finished
Starting point is 00:09:57 fucking off, please continue to fuck off for a good distance until you find a place to live which treat women like property and despises free speech. But still the capitulation to Islam goes on with posts from slippery Stama, celebrating the end of Ramadan and the king as well. Yep. Not to mention, this to co-curlingly awful video from Scotland's First Minister John Swinney, who is also desperate to secure the Muslim vote. Asalam al-Aqum. As the holy month of Ramadan comes to close, I want to extend my warmest wishes to everyone celebrating Ed al-Fithar.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Ramadan is a month of deep reflection, self-discipline and spiritual renewal. It is a time when families and communities come together to break fast, to pray and to support those who need it most. The dedication shown throughout the month in charity, kindness, and patience is truly inspiring.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Oh, is it? Is it, sweetie? Okay, maybe we should just check in with the Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanesee and see if he still thinks it's a good idea to completely capitulate to a Muslim mob, which the left-wing Aussie leader has despicably done. Yet on a visit overnight, to that country's biggest mosque
Starting point is 00:11:18 to celebrate the end of the inspiring Ramadan, he ended up being called a putrid dog. and had to be ushered out by security. As Dr Maloof reported soon after leaving the mosque, where he had just been threatened, the Australian Prime Minister was heckled and called a dirty dog and a pig. He wanted to show solidarity with the Muslim community
Starting point is 00:11:41 and almost got lynched. You can never appease these people. I want to show you what happened to Anthony Albanese so you can judge for yourself. Watch. Come on you! Why is protecting him? Why is protecting him? Peter Thierth, talk.
Starting point is 00:12:18 How are you here? What are you going to do it? Hey, Bill! Bill! All right, get up me. And the dramatic rise in some of the fighting attacks. In essence, we have been unable to better lobby and advocate a government in regards to policy and legislation that directly impacts out community.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Why do you get him out of here? Get him out of here. Get him out of here. He's a foot of the government. He's right. And they're still having to respect. We'll be going to respect us. You want to get him out here.
Starting point is 00:12:53 You got to strike. He's out. You'll get him. Sit down. And they still haven't apologized. It's his government. But we won't expect to try. Don't bring him here.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It's not the time. It's not the time. It's government. They pulled them and they were praying. We don't want politicians, brother. We're here, that's haying. We're praying. We're playing.
Starting point is 00:13:22 We've got politicians. We've policies our side. So you'd think that might be a moment for Albanesey to wake up, right? But no, quite the opposite. Can you believe this? He tried to pretend that the whole thing just hadn't happened at all. I've seen some of those reports and they're just simply not accurate. There were 30,000 people plus at Lentba this morning, overwhelmingly.
Starting point is 00:13:49 The reception was incredibly positive. I walked through the crowd to the mosque and not a single person, heckler. There were a couple of hecklers inside they were dealt with. Asa we have a chitou. Contrary to what's been suggested, no one has been. was rushed out, we just sat there, it was dealt with. Allahaqabha, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah. It was dealt with by the community themselves,
Starting point is 00:14:31 because overwhelmingly they did not want that to occur. This is a... He will be about respect us! He won't be one at me! And I thank very much the invitation. It was about respect for a very important day, for the Muslim community there. I thank them for the very warm reception that was a just astonishing right, but the fear from political leaders now all across the world about
Starting point is 00:15:04 annoying Muslims is apparent in part because of a far more radical approach being led against critics that can be seen in the latest comments from humza useless the failed Muslim ex-first Minister of Scotland, who believes that Nick Timothy should now be banished from public life forever for what he describes as rabid anti-Muslim hate watch. When Muslims pray in Trafalgar Square, a senior Tory calls it domination. But when everybody else celebrates, it's called diversity. So let's call this what it is. It's anti-Muslim hatred dressed up as political.
Starting point is 00:15:46 political commentary. Nick Timothy, a shadow cabinet minister, not some anonymous internet troll, looked at Muslims gathering for open iftar in Trafalgar Square and he called their prayer an act of domination. That's not subtle, it's not nuanced, it's not a debate about public space, this is a rabid anti-Muslim dog whistle. Because apparently a Hanukkah on Trafalgar Square is fine. Christian prayer in Trafalgar Square is fine. Vasaki, Dvali, public celebrations of virtually every kind are all apparently part of our rich national life. But when Muslims pray, suddenly is domination. And here's the irony so thick you could choke on it.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Islamic prayer is not an act of domination. It's an act of submission. At least there are now some leftists, even former national treasures like John Cleese, who are starting to fight back against that nonsense. Cleese directly replied to Yusuf, but doesn't the Islamic intention to kill all non-Muslims worth a dog whistle, or has beheading of infidels been recently dropped from the Islamic agenda?
Starting point is 00:17:02 He added to Saeedivazi. What I like about Davali, Hanukkah and Easter celebrations is that there is very little talk of beheading. And he went on, is singling out Muslims for criticism connected with their stated intention of killing people who aren't Muslims, other religions don't threaten death to people who disagree with them? This may explain why the other religions are happily accepted as part of multiculturalism. Now, Yusuf did reply, writing John,
Starting point is 00:17:35 You made a career mocking the ignorant. It's sad to see you are now joining their ranks. Islam does not teach Muslims to kill all non-Muslims. in fact the Quran explicitly commands kindness and justice towards those of other faiths. Can you please go back to being funny? Now, there are many Muslims who understand that what Khan did in London was wrong and all about expressing domination over the native Christian population. I'm Muslims. I love my religion.
Starting point is 00:18:11 But Nick is the chap who made the comment. He's actually, he's not wrong. You shouldn't have arranged an event. It was unnecessary. You shouldn't? No. Why? Just with a normal night of the fasting month.
Starting point is 00:18:24 You shouldn't be out in the public. You spent every time we should be in the mosques and not just being there because the mayor's coming. When I heard the brother Zaid, his coming makes me feel a little bit comfortable because he's right. So I don't agree with the acts of praying in public because it doesn't make any sense to us
Starting point is 00:18:43 as a Muslim. Big mosque to practice the prayer. If you want to go and do events for Ifhtar or Eid Iftar, I understand that it's not a problem. Whatever you want to do, it's fine. But just to practice the prayer on the street, there is nothing on even the Islam, on the religion itself that says you can even go and practice it. Unless it's like you have to. For example, if you're traveling, you don't have anywhere to pray, then you can. But the problem is that extremists.
Starting point is 00:19:13 are everywhere now. After the arrest of the Islamist lawyer Akhmed Yacoub last night, allegedly for burning an Israeli flag something that isn't a crime in the UK itself, Tommy Robinson posted one of the Kavanaugh morning inbreds was apparently arrested this evening and the rest didn't take it well, ironically using their democratic right to do this in the UK. So here's what went down in Birmingham. Arrived on his protest. The West Finland's police arrested Ahmed Akhub. They're arrested in deliberately outside here because they are succumbing with a Zionist pressure. They knew where he works.
Starting point is 00:19:51 They knew where he lives when they chose here to arrest him. But remember something, there is not only one Akhmeda Kube, there are hundreds of Akhmeda Kube. Atmanyakub is a Peribatiqqqqa police tension. We will after this, but immediately outside Perrybar. Westfielders leave to be aligned. You are not dealing with your dog and type on the middle trial. Look at these barbaric people, blasting their music,
Starting point is 00:20:20 on charge them, on the most sacred day in a slayer. These are the people who are high service for doing this. We will stand by a prayer at you, and remember, there's not only one out without you, there are hundreds of us. Three, three, three, three. And we know there are. And after threat of legal action from Yakub,
Starting point is 00:20:44 the authorities appear to have immediately capitulated. Your evil deeds, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is what you get for all your evil deeds. Illegal, unlawful arrest. They arrested me at the protest. And in front of public, I'm a public figure. They didn't caution me. It was an illegal arrest.
Starting point is 00:21:08 They shoved me in the back of the way. in front of all you people and there was many more watching as well. And then we came here and we made representation, my legal team made representation that the case was so weak that we cannot have an interview. After that, they tried to put illegal bail conditions on me not to go to hospital street and not to go to Imam Raza Cultural Center. So again, we made representations to them
Starting point is 00:21:33 that this is against my human right to protest and my human right of religion. And then they removed them. Next up, Scott Ritter, Chief Constable of West Middons, please. Please get your checkbook ready because the claim is coming. Remember that. Now remember Yacob was the bloke who initially defended the Manchester Airport Muslim thugs and suggested fellow Islamists should arm themselves with baseball bats in Birmingham,
Starting point is 00:21:59 something I challenged him on during last week's special episode of The Clash here on Outspoken. I mean, the last I saw Ahmed of you was the Maccabee. FC Tel Aviv game, right, in Birmingham, and you had a baseball bat on TikTok and were suggesting that your fellow Muslims should maybe put it in your car. So I've seen quite a lot of encouraging of violence from you, Ahmed. You need to get your facts right because that video was not on the same day as the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. I am a lawyer. That video was simply in an informative video. for clients. Yeah, nothing to do with the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. Oh, you're being disingenuous there, aren't you?
Starting point is 00:22:46 Oh, no. Look, I'm not afraid of you. I don't need to lie to you. I'm not afraid of you. You only lie if you're afraid of someone. We only fear Allah. We don't fear anything else. That's what you need to understand. I would not be here trying to lie to you because I don't fear you. Well, I'm afraid of you, Yakub, and I'm afraid of what you were bringing to the United Kingdom. There is a big test coming up for Reform UK on this issue. As Chief Whip, Lee Anderson, posted Islamophobia, there is no such thing. It's a made-up word often used by Labour politicians to help keep their safe seats. News flash, the Greens are on to you.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Now, I agree with that position. It was praised by Lawrence Fox, who said, Good on Lee for mainstreaming what Tommy Robinson was brave enough to say years before the parapet was safe enough to pop your head above. Britain has a problem with Islam. Islamic culture is antithetical to Western culture. Allah's cry bullies won't triumph this time. But now the party, this is Reform UK, is being urged to sack candidates in Scotland. For ludicrous reasons, like one called Humza Yusuf, or useless as I call him an Islamist moron,
Starting point is 00:23:59 and not British, another posted on X in support of Tommy Robinson. So this is Sengarberusford, who the MSMSA made a series of public posts that her political opponents called appalling. So this is what she said, and this is what Reform UK is now under pressure to take action over. She sent a message saying, behind you all the way to Tommy after he posted about Unite the Kingdom. She sent a thumbs up emoji to him and said, give me a thumbs up and retweet if you stand with Tommy Robinson. She also replied yes to a post that said, do you agree with what Tommy Robinson says? She also replied yes to a post that read, was he not Powell, right? Now, what's so disturbing about that is that rather than Reform UK saying she's done absolutely nothing wrong,
Starting point is 00:24:53 instead, they have now briefed to the mainstream media that Beresford does not still hold those views. and added that everyone is entitled to a past. They said Beresford has a lot to offer as a really down-to-earth businesswoman and mum. But the hysteria and mainstream politics around this is there. Scottish Labour leader, Anna Asawa, called the comments of poorly, and said Beresford is totally unfit for public office. Useless added on the other candidate, astonished and gobsmack that a bunch of reformed Scottish candidates
Starting point is 00:25:26 are racist, anti-Muslim bigots. And this is going to be the 10-Muslim bigots. And this is going to be the test, you see, for Reform UK, because Rupert Lowe of Restore Britain has made it clear that he doesn't care about this gaslighting anymore. Posting overnight, Britain is not an Islamic country yet. We should not change our way of life to accommodate practices that have no place in any civilised society. Sharia law, the burqa, halal, sort, cousin marriage, and more.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Britain is a Christian country, and under a Restore Britain government, it would remain that way. None of this is controversial. none of this should generate hysteria, but of course it will. If a Muslim wants to live under Shari Lord, there are many countries to choose from. I wish them well on their travels, but this is Britain, and we have already tolerated the intolerable for too long. That must end. There is finally a political party that has the courage to unapologetically stand up and defend the British way of life, one that is absolutely rooted in Christianity. Indeed, as Kelly J. Kean recently told Liam Tufts on his brilliant The Dozen podcast, there actually is no difference between Islamists and Muslims.
Starting point is 00:26:33 What's the biggest threat to women? Leftism or Islamism? Islamism, by a country mile. But the left is going to open the door and welcome the Islamists in. And when I say Islamists, I mean Muslims. I mean, I think it's Islam, Islamism, Muslimism. I They're all the same thing. They're all the same ideology. I don't think there's a difference between Islamism and Islam and Muslim. I think they're all the same. Now that's it.
Starting point is 00:27:07 In that controversial interview, Kelly J did upset many restore Britain supporters by suggesting that anyone can become British. Is there any parts of right-wing politics that you don't agree with? Yes, there is. There's this new kind of, if you're not white and Christian, you're not. British, I find that quite objectionable. As though, any of my kids could marry someone who isn't white, like my husband's white, so my kids are white, and all our ancestors are white.
Starting point is 00:27:35 But I can't think for a moment that I would go on when my grandchild's mixed race, therefore, not really British. I just can't get on board the colour of that. And people have talked about it a lot. Like, I'm English. I'm ethnically English, but I'm nationally, I'm British national. And I think it's a culture, it's a culture, frame of mind, it's, you know, it's just the way you behave, whether or not you're British and where
Starting point is 00:28:02 you're born maybe, but I think you can, I think you can become British. It's just an attitude. And Kelly J. King joins us now on the superstar panel alongside Peter C. Barnes and Reverend Cannon, Father Phil Harris. So great to have all of you on this day where finally the conversation about extreme, Islam and Islam and Muslims and the whole thing has finally gone mainstream. Yet we've all been having this conversation, of course, for months and months and months. But Kelly Jane, given Kelly Jay, given this is the first time you've been on since that Liam Tuff's interview which dropped when I was away last week, I wanted to talk to you about some of the firestorm around it, because from what I can understand, the criticism seems to be, obviously you became such a beloved figure
Starting point is 00:28:56 on the right, given your very intransigent position in regards to the trans debate, right? Biologically, a woman is a woman, and there's absolutely no wriggle room around that. And what people are saying is, why don't you feel the same when it comes to what it means to be British or English? Well, I hadn't realized quite the explosive landmine I was stepping on, but I'm really glad I get it got me, it gave me a really good opportunity to, A, see where some people are. And I must say, I found some of the comments deeply unpleasant. I don't know how many times I was accused, and I use that word quite purposely of being Jewish. it was really quite disgusting some of the response.
Starting point is 00:29:50 However, I think the ethno-nationalists, I think, are very injured people who have been consistently told they're at the top of some privilege pile and they don't feel it, and quite rightly because they're not. And I think DEI policies have really killed some of their hope. And I think, you know, I totally understand the position. in many ways I agree with it. I just think that we have had a difference between what it means to be British
Starting point is 00:30:21 and what it means to be English. For me, English means ethnically English, like English by blood. And British doesn't quite mean that. I mean, look, we went and stuck our flag all over the world and called people British. Now, we might have put subject on the end of it or citizen on the end of it. But, yeah, I just can't get on. So to clarify, you're very very important. very clear on English.
Starting point is 00:30:47 So you accept that English is an ethnicity, but you're talking more about the idea of being a British citizen. Yeah, and I also think, look, if we want to operate as a nation, I think we need to have some conversations about what is the level of immigration that we have in this country that when it becomes harmful? And I think we'd say at the moment we probably are very much at harmful levels. And what sort of immigration do we want? Well, we don't want low-skilled people who hate this country
Starting point is 00:31:16 coming in, flooding this country, and like some of the people that you've just shown, wanting to take over. Of course we don't want that. It's not compatible at all. But we do want a collective idea of people that are a nation with shared cultural values and beliefs. And I think that is possible.
Starting point is 00:31:36 I don't necessarily think Islam can be part of that. But otherwise, you know, I do, there's plenty of people that I'm sure we all. all know that we feel are very much part of our country. Father Phil or Peter C. Barnes, do either of you disagree with Kelly's position? I have to admit, I'm with Kelly on this one. I find a lot of this debate very uncomfortable. I think you're very right to say that it's an accusation of being Jewish is very common now. That is very disturbing and should be stamped out. And I would hope that Rupert and Ben and all the leaders of the movement now,
Starting point is 00:32:13 are very clear on this because it will come back to sting if you want to be very brass tacks about it. For me, I always go by the old Tennyson quote that you're born a man by luck, but you're born British by the grace of God. And I always think that's a good way to think about it. You know, we live in a very unique place and it's a very good place to live.
Starting point is 00:32:31 And I think if we can find something that bans us altogether, I think that's good enough for me, in my opinion. I don't really think it's a race thing or an ethnicity thing. Sure, historically and all the rest of it. But it's 2026. It's not 1066. Yeah, I mean, I think, Father Phil, the issue, though, is that for such a long time, we as English people, have been gaslit and effectively told that we don't exist.
Starting point is 00:32:58 And that's why there is this increasing sensitivity. And by the way, still people in power, Phil, say that we don't exist. Like Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, just a couple of weeks ago. saying that, no, it's not an ethnicity being English. And you just know, Father Phil, that no one says that about the Japanese or the Nigerians or the Jamaicans, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We're at a stage, aren't we done, where, you know, it's okay to be anything but English or Jewish. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:34 And it's the use the right word there, which is we've been gaslit. And it's an uncomfortable conversation. but ultimately we're in this place now where I heard a joke the the in fact earlier today where someone said and the and they were telling a joke about you know an Englishman a Welshman and we know how those jokes go and they actually said and as was there right the Englishman went first and you know and there was you know just like loads and loads of laughter and he said and that's because actually E comes before W. which recovered the situation. The reality is that it's no longer acceptable to be English. It's no longer to be acceptable to be white English. It's something that is a real problem. Now, what then happens is there becomes a pushback from people who are going, actually, this is my identity, this is who I am. And, you know, people are going, well, how do I react to all of this? because I was born in England.
Starting point is 00:34:44 My inheritance and my family are English and they've gone back years, but now we have overlords that are telling us that we have no rights and we have no reason to be here. But again, you can be any other nationality apart from being English. And we are in incredibly strange, incredibly difficult, in incredibly fractious times. and the term gaslighting, we are literally being gaslit and people do want to seemingly do away with this Englishness
Starting point is 00:35:17 that people identify with, like me who was born here, my, I go back, you know, generations on generations, my family fought in two world wars, you know, and yet all of a sudden I'm a stranger, and there are so many people who are feeling that right now, Dan. Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because my story is sort of unique, but on the other side, which is that I wasn't born here, but I am absolutely English by blood, if not by birth. I was obviously born in, well,
Starting point is 00:35:51 what was a British colony, New Zealand, but my parents, English-born and ethnically English. I think the Douglas Murray line on this is quite good, which is that, of course ethnicity matters, Of course it matters. Of course white ethnicity is very important and must not be erased. But it's not everything. And there are some people in the debate who want to make it everything. And that's where we get into these worrying times. We're all being gaslit by high profile figures over their Muslim faith. And I think the Nadia Hussein victimhood story could not sum up that any better. This is a woman. And I'm just going to be totally frank with you about this, who found fame and received all of her success because she was a Muslim, because she had a Muslim headdress. That is why the British Passion Corporation,
Starting point is 00:36:47 the BBC loved her, gave her all of these own shows. And yet now, because she has had a personal and professional failure, she is trying to gaslight us all by saying that her success was nothing to do with being Muslim, but her failure now. is everything to do with it. And I'm glad to see people blow the whistle on this.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I mean, I did it a couple of weeks ago, but a massive row has now broken out in part because Alison Pearson has just written the most amazing column for the Daily Telegraph saying if Nadia Hussein thinks she suffered from BBC discrimination, she should try being a white man. And I will go into her argument in just one moment.
Starting point is 00:37:30 But you can imagine what's happened. Orika Johnson has said what I think, which is that, no, you're just a bit shit. We're bored of you now, Nadia. I mean, indeed, Orika Johnson even says that her experience with Nadia Hussein was that she was rude to her. And of course, after this column, the race baiters immediately pop up and start saying that this is as a result of some type of far right proposition. I'll give you an example, Narenda Korn.
Starting point is 00:38:10 So Yulrika Johnson has become the latest to come forward and attack Nadi Hussein and say, nothing to do with the fact that you're Muslim, shut your cake out and be thankful. Now, what's the difference between the far right and Eureka Johnson right now? Nothing much. Sorry to say Eureka,
Starting point is 00:38:27 because at a time of heightened racism and Islamophobia in this country, what did you do to help matters? Nothing. you actually did was stir it up. You got that petrol, chugged it on the fire, and stirred that pot. Because what you could have said was, okay, I hear you, but it's a hard industry. Me, myself, I'm an ex-reality TV contestant.
Starting point is 00:38:51 Perhaps you've got a point, because look, I do look, and think actually it was very lucky. Most reality TV contestants get nothing. You're back to your day job. I know that from experience. but I wouldn't speak and dismiss a brown woman's concerns in the TV industry. I'd listen, accept and give us some sympathy, but you didn't do that, Eureka. You just went in for the kill and it was unsisterly, unacceptable and pretty low. I'd love to say it was disappointed coming from you, but probably a bit expected.
Starting point is 00:39:26 No, it wasn't. Okay. Can we just all acknowledge that, We are now in mad times when Arenda Kaur says that Alrika Johnson is part of the far right for saying, no, Nadiah, who said, you didn't lose your jobs because you were Muslim, you got your jobs because you're Muslims, she's just stating a fact. Anyway, Alison Pearson is just amazing on this. Writing in the Daily Telegraph, TV is a ratings game.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Don't fall for that on-screen, Chami Bonamy. There is very little sentimentality, let alone loyalty. if a performer isn't delivering the goods. This point appears to have been lost on Nadia Hussein, who was lucky enough to win the Great British Bake Off back in 2015. Although she was not the best baker, Nadia had huge charm, was possessed of a guileless sweetness
Starting point is 00:40:17 and a range of funny and daring facial expressions. She was also a Muslim who covered her hair. That novelty value, remarkably few Muslim women participate, or perhaps allowed to participate in public life, was undoubtedly a big part of her success. TV bosses love diversity, and viewers were pleased, I think, to meet this friendly face from a community that can often be regarded with suspicion. Since her victory, the British Bangladeshi from Leeds,
Starting point is 00:40:41 who has an arranged marriage, forged an incredibly lucrative career, hosting TV programs for the BBC, The Chronicles of Nadia, Nadia's British Food Adventure, the big family cooking showdown, and Nadia's family favourites, as well as publishing sundry tie-in cookbooks and occasionally presenting ITVs loose woman. Her status as national treasure appeared to be sealed when she was chosen to bake a cake for Elizabeth II's 90th birthday. However, for some time, I doubted that Nadia was actually as popular as her profile would suggest, or as Nadia herself seemed to think, her on-screen presence became brittler and less sunny. During a decade on TV, she was said to her master fortune in excess of 3.5 million pounds.
Starting point is 00:41:34 She didn't see it that way, though, when the BBC failed to commission any more of her shows. Indeed, she said, it's really difficult. As a Muslim woman, I work in an industry that doesn't always support people like me. But as Alison goes on to say, hmm, will you tell her or shall I? Unsurprisingly, Nadia's moaning has gone very badly.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Orrika pointed out that Hussein's recipes were a bit dull and she was tricky to work with, writing in the sun I met her years ago in a green room ahead of some daytime TV show and I was thrilled because my daughters and I had prayed for her to win. Bake off. I was disappointed to find her quite dismissive with a seeming sense of entitlement about her, a word to the fame hungry and influence of today who might one day be doing a mundane job and the next suddenly be in the limelight. No one is entitled to fame and most are lucky. if it lasts longer than five minutes. Alison Pearson adds, having done so well as a Muslim woman, there was an irony. In Nadia suddenly claiming she was the victim of discrimination on account of her colour and religion. Hang on a minute. Mary Berry earned her spurs over many, many years. In the Galley Kitchen of Life before a wonderful and richly deserved late-blooming TV career. If you are white and well-spoken like Mary, you are more likely to run into discrimination at the BBC. than Nadia Hussein. As for being a posh white bloke, your best chance is to affect a kind of estuary
Starting point is 00:43:05 matiness like Joe Swift-on Gardner's world. A huge percentage of BBC presenters and nearly all news readers and reporters are privately or selectively educated, but they do their best to keep that a secret. It's the white middle and working classes who miss out an opportunity just because they're the beneficiaries of white privilege, don't you know? No wonder ethnic minorities believe the BBC reflects their lives more than white viewers do. In its latest annual report, Offcom found that 60% of minority ethnic respondents agreed that the BBC reflects the lives of people like me. That's compared to just 50% of white people surveyed. By contrast, more than a fifth of white viewers responded negatively to the statement compared to just 11% for minorities.
Starting point is 00:43:46 After an average evening of viewing, you could easily conclude that all senior white British female police officers are married to Asian or black husbands, unless the women detective is black, in which case she will also have a non-white husband. on the rare occasion that her husband is white, it's odds on, he's a cheating bastard who is working for the bad ease. So, next time Nadia Hussein complains that she is a victim of fake inclusivity of a box that has been ticked, spare a thought for Nigel from Seven Oaks, who makes a mean Victoria Sponge, but whose only chance of appearing on BBC One is if he shows his late grandfather's medals
Starting point is 00:44:22 on the Antiques Roadshow. To my superstar panel, Kelly, Jay Keene, Reverend, canon father Phil Harris and Peter C. Burns. Peter, Alison's got this totally spot on, hasn't she? And Nadia's victimhood and specifically blaming her downfall on being Muslim is a joke. Oh yeah, I was on when we discussed this the last time. And I said it's entitlement, it's narcissism and it should just be ignored. I mean, the fact that I've, they're in the cause comments were just obscene.
Starting point is 00:44:58 I love how she said, oh, she dismissed her a brown sister, but she was quite happy to dismiss a white sister, by the way. I mean, we didn't see the double standard there, did we? I mean, it's just grifting, it's unseemly, and it's just grubby. It just makes everybody look like an idiot. There are one thing that most women at the BBC could actually band together over, and that's sexism, ages, I'm sorry. Ages about the BBC is a huge problem.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Most women get to the age of about 50, and then they disappear off the BBC, unless you're one or two. That is a big problem. They're not really interested in that one because it's not the race card. That's what it's always about. It's always the race card. And it's just, I hope it's dying out.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I hope all this kind of nonsense is going away. But unfortunately, I'm not 100% convinced because I always say that these institutions are like a wounded animal. They're like a, the more vicious now than they ever will be because the power is slipping away and we're going to get even more obscene lunatics running around. A friend of mine calls this,
Starting point is 00:45:56 the clown decade. I think it's now insulting to clowns. Yes. I mean, Father Phil Harris, you have Narenda Kaur trying to say that Rieka Johnson is part of the far right. When are we going to just say enough? So as you alluded to at the beginning of the show, Dan, I've been kind of in my sit bed and literally in my sick bed and I'm having great difficulty with my spine. So what I've actually done is been reading things and looking at things and not commentating too much. And I'm just, Peter just used the word grubby. This all feels grubby. You cannot believe, you know, Narinda, race baiting, she's just got a degree, you know, she's not just got, you know, an undergraduate, she's not got a master, she's got a doctorate in race baiting.
Starting point is 00:46:54 She really is horrendous. And then to actually kind of come out and go, you know, this is what Ulrika's about, I just, I am utterly astounded. And the phrase stop the world I want to get off. Yeah, certainly kind of springs to mind at times because this is, I just can't believe the times that we're living in. And some of these people that have a voice. And Peter's just absolutely right. You know, I'm for righteousness. And he's talked about ageism on the BBC, you know, particularly with women.
Starting point is 00:47:29 They just disappear. And he's absolutely right in highlighting that. You know, that's the problems. You know, but this victim mentality, what is the age that we're living in? And actually, I think it comes because we've lost our compasses. Our compasses no longer point truth, true north. And the reason for that is we've lost all idea of what moral standards are. and what it is to be right and righteous and actually care for our neighbours,
Starting point is 00:48:00 what we're actually doing is scoring points and trying to score points. And it is just as Peter said, grubby, just utterly grubby. Kelly Jakin, do you feel that Nadia Hussein's, I guess, loss of these shows at the BBC was anything to do with her Muslim faith? No. No. I think the only reason she won Bake Off was because she was Muslim. I mean, that cake that she made for the Queen was an embarrassment. I will confess, I've never watched her. I did like her. I thought she seemed like a very lovely woman when she won that program, but I'm not really too familiar with her. Mainly, I know of some of the things she's done through Gogglebox. And what it seemed is she did terrible cookery. And she put weird. things in like English breakfast and so I think she probably
Starting point is 00:48:58 had a career that was about nine years and nine months too long and if you're saying it was ten years. Sorry, can I just make it just a couple of quick questions I just thought about what Naurinda actually said there. She said about a heightened time of anti-Muslim rhetoric.
Starting point is 00:49:15 In other words, you know, gaslight, you know, you've got to cover over it because it's not anti-Muslim hate, it's talking the truth. That is they don't like that that's sorry that was just popped into bed and also there's comment about mary berry she rose to prominence at a time where women were treated worse than they are now by society she was able to climb to the top of a very competitive industry at a time where women weren't even represented to the degree they are now to somehow diminish that as always because she was
Starting point is 00:49:44 posh i'm sorry i said insulting that is genuinely insulting there's a lot of very powerful and very kind of you know, women we should look up to who kind of lead led the way in a lot of this stuff. And Narenda and, you know, Nadia tearing these people down, nothing more than narcissism and ego. I just think it's, oh, yeah, sorry, this story has really got under my skin, actually. Yeah, totally. I think people are just so angry about it for very good reason, because deep down, we all know that a big part of Nadia Hussein's success. I'm not even saying all of it, but a big part of her success was the fact that she was, was in. we can all see that there is a ridiculous bid for over diversity on all of these mainstream TV
Starting point is 00:50:30 channels and we're done with it. We're totally sick of it. Breaking right now, disastrous news for King Charles as the Andrew Mountbatten-Wins a police investigation is widened, meaning that it is increasingly likely that his wayward brother will face more. investigations, more arrests, possibly even more trials. This news fascinating, of course, because you will remember for years and years and years, all of our major police forces, including the Metropolitan Police said nothing to see here, folks, nothing to even investigate, just move on. Yet now, in light of the increased pressure over the Jeffrey Epstein revelations, they finally seem to have woken up to the fact that they do have to seriously look into what was going on.
Starting point is 00:51:27 So this is the Establishing newspaper The Times, which has revealed that the Andrew Police investigation may now expand into corruption offenses. Let me take you through the key reporting on this. They write that it will likely widen beyond the offense of misconduct in public office. They say Andrew is set to be investigated over other potential corruption offences on top of a scoping inquiry into alleged sex trafficking. That is according to police sources. And remember, police sources do not often brief to the newspapers here in the United Kingdom. You will remember he was arrested last month on suspicion of misconduct and public office relating to his time as a government trade envoy when he allegedly passed information to Epstein. But detectives at Thames Valley Police now.
Starting point is 00:52:19 understood to be widening their investigation beyond the single offence, for which it can be difficult to mount a prosecution. That's to ensure all bases are covered. A police source said the legal bar for misconduct and public office is high. There was always an issue over whether he was actually a public official at the time, whether he actually signed any papers. It's not surprising that they are having to look at broader offences. Any further police interviews are expected to be by appointment and any charging decisions are expected to take the best part of a year. Sir Mark Rowley, the Met Commissioner, has visited Washington to try to press the US authorities to expediate the release of unredacted exchanges in the files,
Starting point is 00:53:01 and revealed Mandelson is under investigation over an email. He sent about a 500 billion euro pay out of the Eurozone while he was serving as business secretary. So key information there, but this is really bad news for the British Royal Family and for the king, who remember, could even be forced to abdicate if Andrew's alleged misdeeds make it to trial and he decides that he needs his elder brother to give evidence in his defence. To my superstar panel, Reverend Cannon, Father Phil Harris, Kelly J Keene and Peter C. Barnes. Peter, this is a widening crisis for the British royal family. sure there can be a lot of anger that the police covered all of this up for such a long time,
Starting point is 00:53:51 as did the British royal family. But the fact that now there seem to be investigations widening on multiple fronts does make it more likely that Andrew could end up in court, could face jail, which explode so many issues, doesn't it? The fact he's in the line of succession still, that we're still paying or the king is still paying for him to live in this house. What do you make of this briefing today to the Times? Oh, Peter, we just can't hear you. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Basically, in my opinion, I think this is going to rock the House of Windsor. I think, in my opinion, the King should abdicate now, if I'm being honest, I think he's got to go. Because this is a stench. This is a kind of, the lingers in the air, and it's going to follow them around for the rest of their lives, I'm afraid. And we can't have that at the top of the British state. You just can't. They need to go, and they need to sort this out, and William should take over. I think he's been able to keep relatively clean. But I will say, I found it interesting that they went down this kind of legal path,
Starting point is 00:54:57 the police within their investigation originally, because even I could have told you, it's very difficult to get anybody on these kind of charges, let alone somebody who has kind of had a job but didn't have a job. Or, you know, it was a bit ridiculous. But I do think they were reacting to a lot of pressure, actually, from the public, who have had enough of this guy getting away with it. I think one of the things that was always irritated me, actually,
Starting point is 00:55:19 was Charles took away Parliament's right to strip him of the titles. Because I think that was the people actually stripping them away from him. I think that was our kind of, you know, we'll take our pound of flesh kind of moment. And I think that was a real shame actually, because, you know, it's our name that he was running around the world, doing all these dodgy deals with all these dodgy people that everybody knew was dodgy.
Starting point is 00:55:42 But apparently it was perfectly fine. That, I mean, come on, we have to grow up. This nation is a child at times. but it's got to stop. Father Phil, there seems to be no intention from the king of abdicating. Can he hang on through this? Well, there isn't a constitutional allowance for an abdication. That's the problem. We are, you know, the constitutional monarchy that we actually have, it's a job for life. And so this whole thing is an utter disaster. So many people are looking at it. for the king to do something right now over Parliament,
Starting point is 00:56:24 over the horrible law that's just gone or about to go through that was just passed by the Lord's. And where is the king and what's the king actually doing? The king now is in a terrible place because we're on unprecedented ground. And Andrew has just over the years has been this unmitigated disaster for the monarchy. He, you know, clearly corrupt, you know, who knows what's gone on in, in private circles,
Starting point is 00:56:57 and that's not for me to cast aspersions. What I actually know is the monarchy is in trouble, and I don't know what the way through is for his majesty. You know, there isn't the room to abdicate, as has been suggested, but by the same token, and the king is clearly very poorly at the moment. But, you know, the nation is crying out for the, the king to do something because there are so many facets of the monarchy that are wrong, you know, and the offices that he has as head of state, as the supreme governor of the state church, all of the things are just wrong. And the fact that he could end up in court, you know, testifying against his younger brother.
Starting point is 00:57:42 I mean, see, it's just unthinkable. We are in times that you could not even begin to imagine. in and who knows what her majesty thinks or would think in this kind of context that we're in. It's horrendous, it's horrible. You know, Andrew is an embarrassment. I agree again with Peter that the nation tried to have its day and was denied the opportunity of having its day. Where this goes, I don't know. What I do know is we need the king to show up.
Starting point is 00:58:15 We need, you know, Buckingham Palace to show up in so many situations that are going on in the nation's life right now because we are in trouble and we certainly don't need a monarch that's applauded in Islam in the state that we're in at the moment. Which is exactly what he did this week. Which is exactly...
Starting point is 00:58:33 With the Nigerian state visit, where he decided to host this brilliant function, you know, which the late queen had obviously hosted state dinners for her entire reign, yet the king decides to host one in the middle of Ramadan, meaning that there were prayer rooms at Windsor Castle as a result.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Meat wasn't served. They didn't eat until a particular time. There was no alcohol. I mean, Kelly Jay, it's very difficult, isn't it, to defend the king in this situation? It's very difficult to defend him on any level as being our king. I mean, he doesn't feel like my king at all. I don't know whether he is.
Starting point is 00:59:17 going to single-handedly destroy the monarchy with his lack of action over his brother. And I think what we have to remember is Andrew's always been an unlikable, despicable human. But he fraternised with a man who raped children. Like, it's not like he wrote a bad check back in the 80s and someone couldn't cash it. He literally associated with people accused of
Starting point is 00:59:45 being found guilty of being paedophiles on an island that was renowned for this sort of this greatest scandal of our time of trafficked children. So, I mean, if that's not a reason to loathe anybody who's not taking that seriously, I mean, how more, I can't think of something more serious than raping a child. And so it should spell the end of the monarchy unless they act like, urgently, really. Kelly Jarrett did have to ask you about this other scandal involving King Charles this week. I imagine it's red rag to a bull when it comes to you though.
Starting point is 01:00:25 But here we go. His youth charity cancelled a boxing course for disadvantaged girls instead of banning biological males. Now this is a course run by Nicola Adams, the boxer, who seems to be a great woman actually seems to very much believe in the need for biological sex in sport. So too, by the way, does Catherine, the Princes of Wales, she believes in that as well. But this is the reporting. The King's flagship youth charity decided to cancel a fitness course for disadvantaged girls instead of preventing biological males from attending.
Starting point is 01:01:02 The King's Trust was due to run a get started with boxing and fitness course for women, aged 16 to 25. and apparently was open to female identifying or presenting people. So a concerned parent contacted King Charles's charity to raise safeguarding concerns, including that this could have allowed a 25-year-old biological male to punch teenage girls. But instead of limiting the course to biological women only, as the parent had requested, the King's Trust instead decided to withdraw it as an offer to young people. Women's rights groups have responded with fury and demanded the King's charity reinstate the course so that disadvantaged young women and girls can benefit from it.
Starting point is 01:01:46 The Boxer's course was originally launched by King's Trust Ambassador and Olympic gold medalist Nicolaar Adams, who has spoken in favour of protecting women's sports for biological females. And indeed, if I just show you this moment from Catherine the other day, Kelly Jade, this was very much taken. It was at a function with the English women's rugby team. And she made it clear that she would not be happy to be tackled by George. And even though she was supportive of Charlotte doing rugby, it was very much taken as Catherine saying, no, we need to have sport for biological women. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:02:23 It's a great thing. Actually, they shouldn't necessarily need to be able to put them in particular. There's two, I mean. Obviously, as they get physically stronger, George, now I think they're at home. I do not want to get a tackle point by George. But no, after it's like an age and then you're going to go. And then you're going to start.
Starting point is 01:02:58 So Kelly J, this seems to be a massive misstep by King Charles's charity. Well, I think the charity sector is full of these types. these cowards that are happy to take a lot of money. I recently went to an event where I challenged a woman running a women's center, about including men. And so I think the charity sector is full of these very comfortable women, often women, I'm afraid, lads, who are happy to take the money
Starting point is 01:03:29 and not really serve the people they're supposed to. And then when you complain to the charity sector, they've got no teeth, you might have a little bit of a process where you feel you might get somewhere and it won't go anywhere and everyone will have some sort of lessons learned. So until we start punishing these sorts of groups for taking this stance and not adhering to the Equality Act, we're just going to get more of this. And these are often over-privileged brats who get these cushy jobs in the charity sector.
Starting point is 01:04:00 So we'll have more and more of this. But, you know, the King's Trust is totally sure. shameful. But that goes along with the rest of him. Let's just have Queen Catherine and be done with it. Exactly. Queen Catherine, I think we're all holding out for that. We are all holding out for that.
Starting point is 01:04:18 And of course she understands. She understands why we need a single six faces because she's a mother, right? Who's got a young girl who she doesn't want being totaled by some bloke pretending to be a woman. Breaking right now, Reform UK has axed a Big Brother star who was booted out of the TV house by Woke ITV
Starting point is 01:04:46 in the latest scandal engulfing Nigel Farage's party, where let's just be honest about it, they tend to run away from anyone who is mired and even the slightest hint of controversy. So this is George Gilbert, who you might remember had made a number of controversial statements in the House and was very open about the fact that he was a Reform UK supporter and member. But this week, and George will be here shortly, by the way, for his first interview on this, but this week he revealed the news on X, writing, well, that's it then. Reform UK have revoked my membership. Rupert Lowe and Elon Musk will write about them.
Starting point is 01:05:29 having been a member since before even Farage was leader. I have attended Christmas functions with Lee Anderson. I fought their corner in public debates and I even traveled to give a hand in their successful by-election campaign all after Big Brother. And now they decide to betray me like this over nothing more than alleged comments. Let's not forget that this is the party of Nigel Farage, who engaged in anti-Semitic bullying when he was similar age to me. Dia Yusuf, who liked to tweet about Robert Jenric calling him a traitorous Zogbot with a Jewish
Starting point is 01:05:57 white and family. Lee Anderson, who claimed there's no such thing as Islamophobia, when it's little old me, though, they show you the door. So much for being the party of free speech, two-tier reform. Previously, I saw a quiet virtue and standing by the leader, even if you disagree with them at times, but loyalty is a two-way street, and now I see the wood for the trees. Reform doesn't give a toss about its members, and they will throw you under the bus, given half a chance, too. I am not the first victim of their disgusting disloyalty, and I won't be the last. He published the letter, by the way, from Reform UK. This is from the head of Reform UK, at least their general secretary Tom Waterhouse.
Starting point is 01:06:42 And it read, and this is what actually disturbed me most about this whole story, because they haven't done their own investigation. They're literally just doing it because of the bad publicity from ITV. Dear George, I'm writing to inform you of the party's decision to revoke your membership of Reform UK. under the Constitution membership of the party can be revoked if a person engages in behaviour, which in the discretion of the party chairman, that's David Bull, brings the party into disrepute. The reason for your membership being revoked is you were removed from reality TV show Big Brother after making offensive comments which could be interpreted as being anti-Semitic.
Starting point is 01:07:12 This was reported by many media outlets, including the BBC and the Sun. ITV did not air the comments which led to your removal because they were contrary to broadcast standards, which underlines the unacceptable nature. Reform UK does not wish to be associated with your comments and therefore the decision has been taken to revoke your membership. Any person whose membership is revoked under Article 4.8 may appeal that decision within 14 days if we have not heard from you in that time the party will consider the matter closed. And George then published this viral video. Vote for the Greens on May the 7th at the council elections. And trust me, even I never thought I'd be saying that.
Starting point is 01:07:51 It feels so naughty. But it's true, because Reform UK, I'm telling you, it's merely an establishment Trojan horse there to conciliate us inaction, into thinking, oh, it's all sunshine and roses because Nigel's at the helm. Not true. All right?
Starting point is 01:08:09 Don't play the game. Don't fall for it. And George Gilbert joins us now, alongside our superstar panel, Kelly J Keane, Reverend Cannon, Father Phil Harris, and Peter C. Barnes. George, it was all going so well, and then you said vote for the Greens. And I'm like, what on earth are you talking about? This is a predicament we're in, right? I, the natural next stop
Starting point is 01:08:37 for me as somebody on the right with right-leaning views would be Restore Britain, right? But what do we do if we can't vote for Restore Britain on May the 7th at the council elections? If those are a restore candidate being fielded across the nation, included in my personal division, of course, fill your boots, vote for them. However, there's not. So what's the next best thing to just give reform our vote? Give them the momentum? No, I disagree. I think we should vote for reform's biggest contender in my division that happens to be an independent slash green candidate. So I think in order to break down this reform machine, we need to. We need to. to vote for their biggest contender. We must do whatever it takes in order to stunt reform's momentum. And this is the best way to go about it. I know it sounds a bit too low-y.
Starting point is 01:09:26 But I mean, you're actually offering to campaign for the Green Party? This isn't because I support the Greens. This is because I support Restore, believe it or not. It's just, I think this is the best way to go about breaking down this reformed turquoise wall that they will construct in May. And if you disagree, how best do we,
Starting point is 01:09:47 support, restore if we can't vote for them. Go on. What do you think? Well, I mean, when it comes to restore, I actually don't think the party should be running at these elections. They're not ready to do that. And there's huge momentum. I totally don't think that the answer to that, though, is voting for the worst candidate just because they're most likely to be voted for by more people. I think everyone should do their own due diligence in their own area and vote for the person who will do the best job. And I think that's where your argument is somewhat undermined because I think voting for the green. I mean, the Green Party are evil. You know, they are actually evil. And I do not think it's right to vote
Starting point is 01:10:37 for a party that, for example, wants to encourage an Islamist takeover of this country, wants to legalize drugs, is degenerate. I obviously understand the point that you'll make. key. But I don't believe voting for the Greens is the way forward. But look, let me bring in Peter C. Barnes on this because, Peter, you're a big critic of Reform UK. Just a little. This is so typical, isn't it, of reform? Like, we're just getting rid of you. We're just getting rid of you. Like, we're not going to do our own research into these comments. We're not going to look into why ITV didn't broadcast them. Like George and I discussed this at the time, he did the first interview here after his exit from Big Brother, he was very honest about what he said.
Starting point is 01:11:19 I think ITV could absolutely have broadcast the comments without getting into trouble. And this is the big problem that so many of us have with Reform UK. They just turn on people no matter what they've done. And very often it's for saying something, which is what like Nigel Farage has said or Leandison has said. Oh, yeah, I'm just so glad that everybody's waking up to what I've been pointing out for the last three, four years now. I mean, this is the bit I'm rather enjoying. It's rather kind of come to Jesus moment of everybody.
Starting point is 01:11:50 But the reality is, I go back to the Sarah Pochin talk TV interview, which is always she made those comments about not seeing white people on TV. I would remind people at the same time as that, there was a number of councillors that were dropped as reform members, and a lot of people have been denied the chance to stand as candidates for reform, on saying what I would say is probably less worse things than that. It was always been a two-tier system. And it's, again, it's because it's a party that is panicking.
Starting point is 01:12:22 It has no idea what it's doing. George is perfectly right. This meteoric rise is out of control. And they don't know how to kind of get it back on track anymore. Because it's always just been the Nigel show. And unfortunately, we pull back the curtain and all is it's cracked up to be. I have to admit, I'm rather enjoying a lot of this because, you know, it's nice to be validated. But I do think you're actually right there, Dan.
Starting point is 01:12:47 I'm maybe not voted for the Greens. Because like you said, I don't want to give them actually reform a way to kind of bat away actual criticism. Other they'll say, oh, wait, we've got to focus on the Islamist thing. That's what they do. I mean, let's be real. There was a load of problems at that by-election for Reform UK. And they just sort of latched on to the family voting thing, rightly or wrongly. But there was a whole host of issues.
Starting point is 01:13:10 I mean, Dr. David Bull, saying they ran an honest campaign. They went to the high court. What campaign is a good campaign if you end up in court? I do them for a living. That's not a good campaign. Yeah, I mean, Kelly J. Keen, look, this is a really interesting one because, of course, I do think that reform is going to have a massive, massive local election campaign, massive Scottish election, massive Welsh election.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Now, the fear from people on the right, like George, who support Restore Britain, is that it almost means that reform becomes. inevitable and that it's going to be very hard to stop their march and their momentum. But I'm not really sure that's the case. Like, local elections are important, but they also don't change anything. And there's a long time before a general election. I don't know if I agree, actually. I think local politics is really quite involved in people's everyday lives.
Starting point is 01:14:11 So, for example, my council, they decide whether or not there's single-sex spaces throughout every single council-run facility. So I think actually they can be really, really important. Giving the Greens any more momentum whatsoever is disastrous. I think we should all be very fair-warned. I think they're very, very, very dangerous. So I wouldn't be lending them my vote. I think if you don't like the candidates on the paper, don't vote for them, but... Rewin the ballot paper. Sorry to interrupt Kelly, but ruin the ballot paper. It's still counted. I say this all the time. Go in, write off. reform need to do better.
Starting point is 01:14:45 It gets locked. It gets registered as a protest ballot. In Ireland, they had a very successful campaign over it to highlight so many of the issues that they face over there. But I will say, though, the big problem of reform have is foregone conclusion. It's actually a lot of people
Starting point is 01:15:02 won't turn out to vote for reform because they think they're already going to win. They have a huge problem of getting people to the polling stations. A big problem there. Can I just say, though, if reform doesn't win, will, like in the next general election, we'll have a green Labour alliance.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Yes. We want to bet the house on restore. If Restore don't make it in 20209, I think it's over. I really do think we've got one shot at this, and therefore we must do whatever it takes to make sure Restore win. Otherwise, there's no point.
Starting point is 01:15:35 Reform won't. Conservatives won't. Greens won't. So actually, we need to reform the most damage, because they are our biggest threat. Restore are not going to win. It's great that Restore in the conversation. I think it's really good during the conversation.
Starting point is 01:15:50 I think they might shift the Overton window and I think we'll have conversations that we really need to have as a country. Why won't they win? Well, because I've encountered lots of supporters over the last week and I can say it's not pretty at all. And I think that's... We'd have said that three years ago about reform.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Pardon? You would have said that three years ago about reform. So three years is a long time. I do believe it's possible. I wouldn't have said that. I will say it's a guy who does this for a living. No, I don't think they're going to win, but you have to define what winning is.
Starting point is 01:16:18 I said this about Advance UK. You just have to hold one or two seats. That is power. That's real power in what's going to be the most fragmented election. We've ever seen. That is what they need to go for. This is one of those all bits are off elections.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Sorry, Father Phil, come in. Who are you agreeing with here? Kelly or George? I've got a real problem. So I don't think that someone being cancelled without due diligence is a good thing. No, terrible thing. Let's be completely clear about that.
Starting point is 01:16:47 We need to show due diligence. However, I see this as being a stepping stone and my message is always about righteousness. I would not be voting for some, against someone because they've aggrieved me. We've got to be bigger than that. And I really need to make that clear. I don't like this cancellation thing.
Starting point is 01:17:11 because of alleged or whatever due due diligence, work it through. We're going to be, I would suspect, at the next election, in a scenario where, and I agree with Peter that there is a complacency thing and people might not go out to vote because they think that reform are going to do it and that's a danger for reform. That said and done, what we actually need is rid of conservatives and labour big time. and I suspect that what we are going, given the fact that we've just been massively lied to
Starting point is 01:17:45 for X amount of years and we've been lied to in the recent parliament. That's my standpoint there. People have been dishonest and I can't stand dishonesty. And George, can I... That said and done. Sorry, Phil. That said and done.
Starting point is 01:17:59 We're in a scenario where the next parliament is going to be partly to reset. Kelly is correct. If we are not careful, we're going to end up with an evil alliance. And what we need to see is the next election as a stepping stone to correcting normality in Westminster. And, you know, I just hope and pray that people can start behaving with some integrity, which we're not seeing at the moment. And I really am crying out for honesty, righteousness and integrity and truth.
Starting point is 01:18:34 and so I see this next election. I agree with Kelly also that the local elections are really, really important. We talk around subjects of what's happening in Birmingham and it's horrendous here. And we need to see the whole narrative. And by the way, to clarify, what I was not saying that the local elections are not important in terms of it's important who wins because they obviously make changes on the ground. The point that I was making is that just because some particular party has a very successful local election result doesn't necessarily mean that it impacts the general election. Like we've seen that in loads of examples with, for example, you know, the European elections that took place just before Boris Johnson completely swept the board. You know, and the Tories went from something like, you know, 8% of the vote to 40% of the vote.
Starting point is 01:19:32 Can I just check? Reform UK did no checks with you whatsoever about what happened in Big Brother that literally the first you heard was this letter that you received booting you out of the party. They never gave you a chance to explain what happened or to put your case. That's correct. They gave me no chance whatsoever to explain myself or even clarify what the allegations were. This came after I applied to be a council candidate for them actually because I have parish council experience in my local area. So naturally the next rung of the ladder would be to run as a county councillor. So I thought what better thing to do than to support the party to which I've been a member since 2022.
Starting point is 01:20:18 That's before Nigel was even leader or before they had an MP. I'm one of the day once. I've been there since the infancy. So I wanted to just try and make a positive difference to my local area, make my corner of the world a better place. To do that, I'm a counsellor. my application off and not only did they decline my application, if they declined it and kept me on as a member, then I'd have more sympathy, but to just revoke me like that with no forewarning,
Starting point is 01:20:44 nothing is disgusting. And honestly, that's why I know that such a cabinet like reform, under their auspices of this such nefarious behaviour, I know that the real change this country requires will not be instigated. Because I totally agree that there is a difference between you being allowed to stand as a candidate. That is something that is more in the right of the party to make a decision on. But to actually boot you out to say we don't even want you as a member, I mean, that's just what I don't like. But look, fascinating conversation, George Gilbert, who of course now has his own YouTube channel to continue his political campaigning, hopefully not for the Greens for too much longer.
Starting point is 01:21:32 Kelly J. Keane, who runs the original Let Women Speak channel on YouTube. Reverend Cannon Father Phil Harris, who has come out of his sickbed, and I very, very much appreciate that for the special appearance today. And Peter C. Barnes, who has his own politics, unspun, brilliant YouTube and Substack. My superstar panel, thank you all. Now, we're going to reveal the worst Britain in the world today in just one moment. This is when we take your union jackasses from across the week and put them head to head. A reminder that this week, Ed Davy won the Union Jackass on Monday.
Starting point is 01:22:12 It was Zach Polansky, the Tit Whispera, as I call him on Tuesday, Cahn, because of the Trafalgar Square stunt on Wednesday. And Pearzmorgan for walking off his own show uncensored on Thursday. So many comments coming in from you. Humphrey, 497, 6 is watching Pears Morgan getting. triggered was absolutely glorious. But J.M.J.M. says, leave Peas alone. He's such a great laugh and very switched on. Kiwi Kate, one, two, three, says Kahn would be the worst hypocrite.
Starting point is 01:22:41 He's the commissioner of police, but he can't, but he can allow a call to prayer in the center of London, but gets a lady arrested for silently praying in the street, indeed. Christine Laisal says, I really can't stand any of them, so it's a difficult one to pick. That said, Sadiq, she's called small dick, but spelt with a deep. I. See what you did there. Upwinds it every time for me. From Magnus Blomquist,
Starting point is 01:23:06 the average Londoner must be insane for voting can for mayor and astro zombie calls him the mayor of gas lighting. Okay, the results are in. We've had well over 60,000 votes. Thank you so much for that. And in fourth position with 3% of the vote, Ed Davy, in third position with 6% of the vote, Piers Morgan the runner up with 16% of the vote, Zach Pallanski. But in the week, where he boasted about
Starting point is 01:23:35 an Islamist takeover of Trafalgar Square, the worst Britain in the world, is Sadiq Khan with 75% of your vote. Okay, thank you so much for your company all week. We're not done though. We're moving over to Substack now for the Royal Uncanceled After Show, Tom Sykes standing by major new corruption scandal about a sly news reporter being hired by King Charles. This is really fascinating. We're going to to get into that with Tom over on Substack at www. www. outspoken. So at this stage we come off YouTube, we move over to Substack.
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