Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON FREED AS LUCY CONNOLLY REMAINS LOCKED UP FOR TWEET & HER HUSBAND SPEAKS OUT

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

SHEATH UNDERWEAR - Get 20% off with the code OUTSPOKEN at checkout https://sheath.com The UK state keeps one of our political prisoners locked up into a 284 day stint in jail for a tweet while reluctantly agreeing to release another. But these barbaric sentences prove that there is no free speech in Britain, we are an authoritarian state and Slippery Starmer lied to JD Vance’s face in the Oval office. We’re going to have the coverage you simply will not get from the corrupt and crooked MSM on the cases of Tommy Robinson and Lucy Connolly today. We'll hear exclusively from Lucy's husband Raymond Connolly, the Conservative Councillor, and then our very special Superstar Panel: Ezra Levant, boss of Rebel News who flew from Canada to be at the High Court today, and the Editor of Conservative Woman, who has closely covered both cases, Kathy Gyngell. PLUS: David Starkey’s chilling message about the damage mass immigration the MSM simply will not allow you to hear. AND: A bloodbath at ITV. I worked at ITV Daytime for ten years and know the REAL story behind the decision today that effectively sees Lorraine and Loose Women axed - and Good Morning Britain subsumed into ITV News THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, have revealed they will never speak to Meghan Markle again. We’ll bring you the latest from our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live, episode number 230. Breaking right now, the UK state keeps one of our political prisoners locked up into a 248-day stint in jail for a tweet. Lucy Connolly, the wife of a conservative councillor, has had a bid to appeal against her 31-month prison sentence for inciting racial hatred online after those Southport attacks. That has been dismissed in the last few minutes by the Court of Appeal. While reluctantly, they've agreed to release another. Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is due to be released from prison within the next week.

He was jailed for 18 months for the civil offence of contempt of court. But both barbaric sentences prove that there is no free speech in Britain. We are an authoritarian state. And Slippery Starmer lied to J.D. Vance's face in the Oval Office. So we're going to have the coverage that you simply will not get from the corrupt and crooked MSM on the cases of Tommy Robinson and Lucy Connolly today. We'll hear exclusively from Lucy's loyal husband, Raymond Connolly, a Conservative councillor. Then our very special superstar panel, Ezra Levant, boss of Rebel News, who flew from Canada to be at the High Court today, and the editor of Conservative Woman, who has closely covered both cases, Cathy Gingell. Also coming up on the show today, David Starkey's chilling

message about the damage mass immigration is doing to the country that the MSM simply will not allow you to hear. And a bloodbath at ITV. I worked at ITV Daytime for 10 years and know the real story behind the decision today that effectively sees Lorraine and Loose Women axed and Good Morning Britain subsumed into ITV news. I will reveal all before the end of the show. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, have revealed they will never speak to Meghan Markle again. We'll bring you all the latest from our royal mastermind, Angela Levin. You can sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Before the end of the show, we will also reveal today's Greatest

Britain and Union Jackass. The nominees for Union Jack show, we will also reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. The nominees for Union Jackass, as chosen by you, can be voted for right now in our live chat on YouTube. And they are Gary Lineker, nominated by Mick Cass for his track record and saying he's stepping away when he was sacked. Lord Justice Holroyd, nominated by A. Webb. He is the judge who denied Lucy Connolly's appeal. And Nigel Nelson, nominated by Reid Weld for supporting people being imprisoned as political prisoners. And I'm going to show you exactly what he said in my digest right now. So it's a big day of breaking news. Let's go. The continued incarceration of Lucy Connolly, a distraught housewife and grieving mother who

posted on X impulsively after the Southport massacre, tapping into her own experience of seeing her 19-month-old son killed by the state, shames Britain. We are a two-tier authoritarian state where free speech is completely dependent on your political prisoner. Position. Sorry, but there are a lot of political prisons too that I'm going to be talking about today. We are a two-tier authoritarian state where independent journalism can be forced offline by the state after seven months in solitary confinement in the case of Tommy Robinson, who was finally freed today, but only after he deleted silence from the internet altogether. And both these cases make an absolute mockery of Slippery Starmer's blatant lie to J.D. Vance, the U.S. Vice President in the Oval Office,

claiming we have free speech in Britain. There have been infringements on free speech that actually affect not just the British, of course, what the British do in their own country is up to them, but also affect American technology companies and by extension American citizens. So that is something that we'll talk about today at lunch. We've had free speech for a very, very long time in the United Kingdom and it will last for a very, very long time. Certainly we wouldn't want to reach across US citizens and we don't and that's absolutely right. But in relation to free speech in the UK, I'm very proud of our.

Bullshit, Starmer, you are a disgusting liar. You demanded these insane sentences. You interfered in the judicial process to try and terrify the population into silence after the slaughter of three beautiful young girls at a Taylor Swift dance class by an Islamist. And now you are quite rightly being shamed across the globe. Let's just take this in for a moment. After Lucy learned the news this morning, she cried, along with the prison officers who were stunned at the decision because they too know the real Lucy. But she made clear that her tears were not for her, but for her daughter, whose suffering from their ongoing

separation cannot be put into words. After a campaign we started here on Outspoken many months ago to free Lucy Connolly and the other political prisoners who I haven't forgotten, by the way, the MSM has finally woken up to realise that this is a genuine story. Some breaking news to bring you now from the Court of Appeal and a woman called Lucy Connolly, who is the wife of a Conservative councillor from Northamptonshire, has lost an appeal to have her prison sentence of 31 months reduced. Lucy Connolly, who posted onto social media calling for the mass deportation of asylum seekers staying in a hotel following the Southport attack,

in which three young children were killed and many children injured, has lost that appeal to have her sentence reduced for the tweet that she put out on social media on X. Some breaking news now from the Court of Appeal and the wife of a Conservative councillor who had appealed against her 31-month prison sentence for inciting racial hatred online has had her appeal dismissed today. This is Lucy Connolly, who posted those comments after the Southport attacks in which three little girls were stabbed and died at a holiday club. She said to the Court of Appeal a few days ago that she had never intended to incite violence and she had been calling in July last year for mass deportation now and urged her

followers to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers after that nationwide unrest sparked by the stabbings in Southport. Well, Lucy Connolly from Northampton has today lost her bid against her prison sentence. Lucy Connolly, the wife of a Conservative councillor, has had a bid to appeal against her 31-month prison sentence for inciting racial hatred online after those Southport attacks. That has been dismissed in the last few minutes by the Court of Appeal. And, of course, within minutes, GB News had a lefty insisting that black is white. Lucy Connolly is not a political prisoner

and she deserves to stay behind bars when the BBC's prolific paedophile Hugh Edwards didn't spend a day in jail. Lucy Connolly is a political prisoner for words. Yes, she is. She's a criminal who was sent to jail for a reason. There is absolutely no justification or benefit to society of separating a mother from a child.

If you wanted to punish her, put a tag on her leg and make her go and work with a local mosque to learn about other cultures and people if that. If you wanted to punish her, put a tag on her leg and make her go and work with a local mosque to learn about other cultures and people, if that's what you wanted to do. Luckily, outside the Uniparty and legacy media, some brave figures are starting to join us and campaign on these issues, like the unshackled former Reform UK MP, Rupert Lowe.

I've just heard the news that Lucy Connolly is not going to be released from prison. This seems to be an extraordinary decision. A young mother with young children, with a family, being held in custody for an ill-advised tweet, which she deleted. So my view is, when is the legal system going to be driven by common sense? When is it going to look at logic? And when is it going to release Lucy Connolly? There's also the Brave Daily Telegraph columnist, Alison Pearson. We have launched a crowdfunder for Lucy, together with Democracy 3 and the great British public,

and actually so many of you from around the world, God bless you, have already raised £85,000, a figure that is rising every moment to help Lucy rebuild her life when she is finally released from this truly barbaric 31-month sentence. And I hope Katie Hopkins is right when she says Lucy Connolly will be the start of a storm to engulf our troubled United Kingdom and sweep away this dystopian regime. Katie posted, well done, Alison Pearson, well done, Dan Wooten, well done, decent people of Great Britain. You hang on in there, Lucy Connolly, lovely. You are not suffering in vain. The nation is watching.

The storm awaits. And when James McCafferty asked her, amen to that, Katie, and wouldn't it be great if enough was raised to prepare a case against this mysterious judge? Not sure if that's even possible under UK law, but it should be. Katie responded, no. Our restitution is not coming from the law or any of the institutions, but it is coming. The people are rising. And my God, we need to, as Toby Young of the Free Speech Union pointed out today, how can it be right for Lucy to have been condemned to spend more than two and a half years in jail for a single tweet when members of grooming gangs who plead guilty to the sexual exploitation of children get lower sentences? Lucy should be at home with her 12-year-old

daughter and husband not rotting in jail. Christian Calgi added, this is disgraceful. There are rapists and violent criminals walking free from court and a prison capacity crisis. This is purely politically motivated and a gross miscarriage of justice. And my friend and former colleague Colin Brazier put it perfectly, surmising, the continued incarceration of Lucy Connolly feels like another punctuation mark in the story of Britain's slide towards authoritarianism. Her ongoing punishment is out of all proportion with her crime and smacks of a state-sanctioned punishment beating. Now we're going to be joined in just one minute by Lucy Connolly's husband,

Raymond, for an exclusive interview. But before we are, I wanted to read out some of his very powerful statement today. Raymond wrote, Lucy's appeal was not upheld by the Court of Appeal. It feels shocking and unfair. The 284 days of separation have been very hard, particularly on our 12-year-old girl. Lucy posted one nasty tweet when she was upset and angry about three little girls who were brutally murdered in Southport. She realised the tweet was wrong and deleted it within four hours. That did not mean Lucy was a, quote, far-right thug, as Prime Minister Keir Starmer claimed.

My wife Lucy is a good person and not a racist. As a childminder, she took care of small children of African and Asian heritage. They loved Lucy as she loved them. My wife has paid a very high price for making a mistake and today the court has shown her no mercy. Lucy got more time in jail for one tweet than some paedophiles and domestic abusers get. I think the system wanted to make an example of Lucy so other people would be scared to say things about immigration. This is not the British way. Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood says she will release 40,000 prisoners, some of them dangerous men on tag. Lucy has not been allowed out on tag, and she has been denied leave to see our child who is struggling. Today, the court had the

opportunity to reduce her cruelly long and disproportionate sentence, but they refused. That feels like two-tier justice. The British people know all of this is not right. They have given an amazing £81,000 so far to Lucy's crowdfunder. Despite today's upsetting setback, Lucy gets courage from everyone's kind support. Lucy and me are so grateful to our fantastic legal team led by Adam King KC and to the Free Speech Union for their incredible support and to Democracy 3 who ran our crowdfunder free of charge. We also thank Alison Pearson of the Daily Telegraph and Dan Wooten of Outspoken. Thank you so much, Ray, for telling people about the real Lucy Connolly.

I also want to thank our family, our brilliant friends who rallied around, and the thousands of strangers who sent emails and cards of support since the nightmare began last July. We will continue to pursue every possible avenue to seek justice and to bring Lucy home to us. And Raymond Connolly, the author of that powerful statement, joins me now on the superstar panel alongside Ezra Levant, the boss of Rebel News, who flew from Canada to be at the High Court today for the Tommy Robinson decision, and the editor of Conservative

Woman, Cathy Gingell. Okay, Raymond, how did Lucy hear this news today and what sort of state was she in? Well, she rang me up and she she asked me did i hear any news and i said obviously i just spoke to adam and he told me um i hadn't gone our way and um she obviously she was upset uh annoyed and um but i said to her because look just calm down take it in and um i'll get back to you bring me up in about an hour and have a proper chat with you because obviously it would have been a bit not the stuff in order where it did. And there were some tears. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, through the day that happened because obviously the prison officers came and they were supporting her as well because they thought she was definitely going to be going and even the governor started running around sorting out stuff for Lucy um so the prison staff were really good and that kind of upset Lucy a little bit because some of them were a little bit you know independent and they kind of like really got involved with Lucy for the first time today and that probably just took Lucy over the edge a little bit and probably upset her a bit quite a bit And your daughter Raymond, did she know, was she

told that there was a possibility her mummy was going to be coming home? Well yeah, I said she kept asking me every day when there's mum getting a letter and I said well we'll just have to wait but obviously she's just left school at the moment and she's gone to her friend's house so I don't know how I'm going to tell her this but I'll speak to Lucy's mum and we'll see how we go about it.

And how are you coping? I was gutted. I walked the dog and I was a bit angry and I thought I didn't want to be that way. And I just started thinking about this journey, how it all started with, I mean, you know, I mean, I remember at Northampton and Lucy pleading guilty and the judge, Lucy was on video link, and the judge glared into Lucy, into the video screen and said, report to the prison officers and get on the prison ban

and do not be thinking that you won't be getting an empty sentence, which I found was strange because she was right next to the prison cell in a video room, so she weren't getting on the prison ban. But I thought, oh, who's she playing to? But then I went into the corridor and I went into the advocates chambers and I went in there and the advocates there and I said to him, he's always wig on and he's black gown.

And I said, what just happened just then? And he looked at me and just said, what do you expect when you've got a dictator running the country? And that's where the journey started and nine months later we're here again. She is a political prisoner without any doubt and there is huge fury, Raymond Connolly, today being addressed at Nigel Nelson of GB News, who claimed that your wife is not a political prisoner. I just want to show you what happened so that you can respond,

Raymond. Can you defend this judge's decision to keep Lucy Connolly's sentence, if people are just tuning in, at two and a half years for an angry social media post? Yes. I think that people have to understand that a crime committed online is the same as a crime committed in the real world. So do you think it's just as bad to punch someone in the face as it is to write, you can burn all these hotels down for all I care? Well, that's like saying, are robbery and burglary the same? No, they're not. If she had shouted that tweet out in the street, the same thing would have happened. And I do think that the sentence was harsh to make an example of her

and also to send the message... Too harsh? Well, I mean, not too harsh in the sense you were making an example of her. So it was an exemplary sentence, deliberately so. That's a political... That is literally lawful. No, it's a legal judgment, that. So the judge gave an exemplary sentence to send the message as a deterrent to other people tempted to do the same thing

raymond what would be your response to nigel nelson um obviously it's a it's a it's been a strange journey for me i felt lucy's sentence was very disproportionate to other people's but um you know what would i say to him as a lot of things that have happened on this nine months to the point as well as the governor at Lucia's prison, one of them, said that she doesn't want to speak to Lucia no more about her rattles, et cetera, because she's fed up of having to tell her no. So there's a lot of strange carry-ins on.

So I totally disagree with that guy. She has absolutely been made an example of by the state, and it is very grim. OK, Raymond, stand by, because I want to bring Cathy Gingell and Ezra Leventon now. Cathy, where do we start with this? What does this decision say about the state of the United Kingdom? It says we've become a very unempathic, very censorious, very authoritarian and very cruel country.

Not all the inhabitants of it, but the peopleuston produced a report on women in prisons, which virtually advocated the abolition of women in prisons because of the terrible strain and difficulty women had had coping with imprisonment compared with men. has leftist progressivism and feminism gone then? We know women find it extraordinarily hard that the potential suicide rates are higher, that the separation from children is brutal and in nobody's interest, especially if a crime is not criminal, if the mother, the woman in prison is no threat to the community, which quite clearly Lucy wasn't. So at every level, this is sort of barbaric. I think Ezra mentioned in his report about Tommy this morning and his release about barriers Russia. But really, as you said in your start, this is where getting very like that. Any innate sense of decent justice seems to be rapidly disappearing from this country.

And Ezra, look, of course, we are going to talk about the good news regarding Tommy Robinson in just one moment. But how shocking is it for you to see Lucy Connolly remain behind bars for one tweet, which she deleted within hours. It doesn't sound like good law. And my sympathies go out to Lucy and to Raymond. I think that most Canadians and Americans would be very surprised to hear that. I think when J.D. Vance raised the matter of freedom of speech with Keir Starmer, I think that might have caught Keir Starmer off guard, but the actual surprise is to the rest of the world, because we all look to the United Kingdom as the home of Freedom of Speech, as the place where our civil liberties came from the Magna

Carta, from Ariel Pajitika and John Milton, and so many of the freedoms that have spread throughout the Anglosphere. And we look, well, what's happening to the mother country? I can't think of an analogy in North America of someone spending 31 months in prison because of a tweet that was quickly deleted. And sure, the tweet was rough around the edges, but it's just an astonishingly disproportionate punishment. No, it really was.

And Raymond, I think, I mean, look, we sat, didn't we, with Alison Pearson side by side in that courtroom last week and watched Lucy's emotional and powerful and very honest evidence. But I think, Raymond, probably the thing that I want to point out to people the most, because it really matters, is that Lucy posted that tweet on the actual day of the Southport Massacre. When you arrived home to your home, Raymond, she was barricaded in the house because she was so distraught about what had happened to those children. It took her back to that terrible moment when you lost your young son as a result of NHS neglect.

But what people are not missing, including the justices who made this despicable decision today, is that in the days after Raymond, as violence did erupt around the country. I mean, I call them so-called riots because they were definitely infiltrated and they were used by the state. But let's just put that to one side. When violence did erupt around the country, Lucy posted multiple times condemning it. She was not encouraging violence for a single second. And that has just been ignored by the judges. Oh, yeah, definitely. I, you know, I was trying to even see if I could get the phone back at one point from the police because I wanted that as evidence in many years to come.

But the police had destroyed the phone. So I never managed to get a new phone back over. But, yeah, I came home from work work I couldn't get in the house she was with all the kids um she was obviously very upset I didn't know it she'd done that tweet that evening until about eight days later when it all came upon on over the internet but um yeah she, she was pretty upset and pretty much scared. But, you know, it's just an awful time for her. So, Raymond, how many more months are you expecting Lucy to stay behind bars?

And what is the plan? Like, I know the Free Speech Union is supporting you. Is it possible to take this to the Supreme Court or will you just not have time? Well, we've got like, I think it's like three months it is. Lucy can apply for like, I think, other Rottles. But it just, you know, again again i go back to the political prisoner girls would put in for those rottles and um they'd get a response quite quickly back as well as lucy would have

to wait two sometimes three weeks before being told it's being rejected so that's when lucy thought why why is everything i do being delayed so that's when she started thinking uh and me as well as somebody else making that call um not the prison governors and the prison probation teams okay well look raymond you know we're going to stay in touch you know i've been with you on this since day one you've been incredibly brave. It's despicable, this decision today. But we've done our job in the sense that the world is talking about Lucy. And I know she was upset today. But when I spoke to her last week, the point that I made, and I know this can sometimes be a difficult thing to say, but there will be something positive to emerge from this case. While Britain has been shamed on the world

stage today because of the ongoing incarceration of Lucy Connolly, Tommy Robinson, Britain's other most famous political prisoner, was freed. He's not out of HMP Woodhill yet after seven months of truly barbaric solitary confinement as they try and destroy this man physically and mentally, but he will be within a week. Tommy Robinson's team posted a picture of him hugging his children, writing, we're happy to announce Tommy Robinson will be freed from prison within the week and coming him hugging his children, writing, we're happy to announce Tommy Robinson will be freed from prison within the week and coming home to his children. Thank you all for the continued support. It's kept him going in the darkest days. Now, of course, as is always the case, the mainstream media, they only mention Tommy Robinson when there's a court

case. That's it. So I don't trust at all they're reporting their version of events, which is why we have Ezra Levent of Rebel News, who is in court today, and Cathy Gingell, editor of Conservative Women, who has followed this case for many, many months.

But this is how the news did break in the past few hours. Very important breaking news. Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yatsey-Lennon, is due to be released from prison within the next week after his 18-month sentence for the civil offence of contempt of court was cut by four months at the High Court. That's a turn-up.

Very interesting. Just to remind you the details of that story, there was a film made by Tommy Robinson, which included, I think he voiced over, was a part of this film, which made allegations about a schoolboy in this country. And that film was banned for being untrue in relation to that story about that young boy. Tommy Robinson played it at a rally and he put it online and he was told by the court that he must not show this movie because of the defamatory allegations that it drew about this particular child. He did. He kept playing it, he kept playing it, he got put away for that.

Now, some people say the sentence was far too punitive because Tommy Robinson is a political figure and it was seen to be lawfare, justice that wasn't being served fairly because of who Tommy Robinson is and what he represents. So that is a very interesting turn of events. And, of course, he was kept in solitary confinement. The authorities argued for his own safety

because he would have been targeted by some other prisoners and there were serious concerns about his mental health. That's right. But Tommy Robinson's spokespeople have said consistently that they do not believe that he was in solitary confinement for his own safety, that he was really struggling in prison and that he wants to come out. Well, he will be out within the next week now after his 18-month sentence was reduced by four months at

the High Court. Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is due to be released from prison within the next week. He was jailed for 18 months for the civil offence of contempt of court and the sentence has been reduced by four months at the High Court. I want to bring you breaking news that's come in to us concerning Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who goes by the name of Tommy Robinson. He is due to be released from prison within the next week after his 18-month sentence for contempt of court

was reduced by four months at the High Court. Tom Robinson, who is a far-right activist, was jailed for 18 months in October of last year after admitting to 10 breaches of a High Court order for contempt. He's 42 and will be released from prison within the next week out of the High Court. But one man who I do trust to deliver the truth about what really happened in court is Ezra Levent, the boss of Rebel News, who flew from Canada to be at the High Court today. Ezra, thank you so much for being here on Outspoken. I know it's been a really long day, but so important you can tell our audience what really happened today. Sure. Tommy was present by a video link from the prison. It was a smallish courtroom, only about half a dozen members in the public gallery and a

ton of lawyers as there always are. The solicitor general, that is the government, sent a lawyer, but he didn't really argue against Tommy's release. I'm not sure exactly why they were there other than the government is obviously obsessed with Tommy Robinson. Here's the thing. Remember, Tommy Robinson did not claim he didn't do the wrong thing. He pled guilty. He flew back from overseas to the UK to face his fate. What I think was shocking to him and so many others is how punitive the sentence was. Solitary confinement, confined to a cell 22 or 23 hours a day, no human interaction with other prisoners, just a treatment that goes beyond any norm. As you know, solitary confinement is used as a punishment for prisoners who are already in prison but committed another offense while in jail. How do you punish

someone already in jail? You put them in a box. You don't put a man in a box for seven months because, why? Because the prison authorities do not run Woodhill Prison. And most prisons in the UK have extreme problems with gangs, many of which are Islamic gangs, that would kill Tommy if they could. Well, they are. Let's just be honest. Woodhill is run by Muslim gangs. Yeah, in fact, a prison guard had their throat slashed last week. Exactly right. And to put Tommy there in the first place was absurd. And the prison is out of control. And the governor, who I understand just retired a few days ago, did not run the prison.

So she had to clear out a whole wing, letting those prisoners go back into the community so they could hold Tommy there. The whole thing is absurd. I think Tommy Robinson is the first journalist to be charged with contempt of court in almost a century, and certainly the first one to be jailed for that. And no other journalist has spent seven months in solitary for anything like it. I mean, Julian Assange, but he was accused of other violent crimes. It really is that magnitude. Here's my

point. And I listen carefully to the case of Lucy Connolly. And every week I see another case of someone praying peacefully and the police saying, what are you praying about? And it's just, maybe you're numb to it because you're Brits. So you're in the middle of it. It's like that old saying about the frog. If you throw a frog into hot water, it jumps right out. But if you slowly raise the temperature, the frog doesn't notice. Maybe you Brits, because you live here, you become desensitized to it. Oh, yeah. Another one of that.

Another non-climbing. I mean, we know, don't we, Cathy? We know. We know. I guess what's so horrifying, and Cathy, we were obviously in court a few weeks ago on this Tommy Robinson case. What's so horrifying, Cathy, and obviously we know a lot about the mainstream media, given our histories, it's horrifying to see the dishonest reporting of this case because that is all designed to keep the public accepting what is going on. I think there are two things. I think the mainstream media is extraordinarily biased and it's a mouthpiece for the government now, more than it has ever been. Even when the Conservatives have been, because there was a nominal thing that the Conservatives might be

a little right wing, which of course they're not. They're left progressives too. The MSM had some vestige of criticism left in, but they don't act as the force of state. They don't hold government to account. They're absolutely the mouthpiece. You could see it in the report clips that you've just shown on both Tommy and Lucy. Now compare that with the outside court piece that Esla Rosan posted this morning. Absolutely brilliant, classy piece of journalism, which none of our journalists seem to be capable of, or if they were, dare do. You, not counting you, Dan, but in the mainstream.

Now, I'm putting that up on The Conservative Woman tomorrow because that is an example of what proper court reporting should be. You will not see that tomorrow or tonight on BBC, on Sky, on ITV. It will be nowhere. But as well as that, I am afraid there's an element of truth in what Ezra says, our population has become very compliant. It's that there's silence everywhere. I think partly because they put effectively are putting people in the gallows, like and saying, this is what happens to you. If you so much as open your mouth to have any criticism of immigration, let alone you are not allowed to even criticizeise savagery if it's caused by an immigrant. Oh no, you mustn't say it's an immigrant who's caused the savagery. Yet we know statistically

that there's a high, high level of immigrant crimes. There are high, high level of people of non-British nationality who've conducted British crimes in our prisons. So the country has been silenced and people are, I'm afraid, a lot weak and compliant. People were appalled to find out that I was going to speak at a Tommy Robinson rally in defence of him. And the ones who weren't appalled said, oh, you're very brave, Cathy. So, you know, I'm afraid sometimes I think whether what's in the band of few, there's some term for it. Well, yeah, because think think it around the time that Lucy Connolly was arrested. Two brilliant outspoken regulars, Alison Pearson of the Daily Telegraph and the businesswoman Bernie Spofforth, who now runs the media enterprise. If this is true, they were also both visited by the police for tweets. So

the message that this government, and trust me, it's the government, this is all coming from our human rights lawyer at the top of this authoritarian regime. The message is zip it, keep it quiet. And it's terrifying. But Ezra, look, I wanted to ask you about the practicalities of tommy deciding to take down silence because when i was with him in hmp woodhill in december and of course that's a long time ago now and he's had visits from people like us banned over many many weeks i mean the treatment look with we we all know how terrible the treatment has been but But he was so clear to me, Ezra. He was like, I ain't taking this down. No way.

I don't give a damn that they're not going to let me out early. I am not taking it down. So do you know anything about the negotiations behind the scenes? Did people like you, other close friends, family members really lean on him to say, look, it's just not worth it. You've made your point. Or was this being driven by Tommy himself? Well, first of all, the judge, when he sentenced Tommy seven months ago, said, I'm going to make the sentence two parts. One is to punish you for what you've done. The other is, the judge said, coercive to try and compel you to take down the video.

So part one was no matter what, we're going to punish you. Part two was if you want out sooner, take it down. So that was the pathway that the judge had sort of telegraphed to Tommy seven months ago. Like you say, I haven't been able to get into Tommy because the prison governor had barred me after my first visit, even though I didn't do anything wrong. I don't really, to this day, know why I was barred. But I think that Tommy's mental state was declining. And who wouldn't? You put someone in a box 23 hours, 22, 23 hours a day, and then you play games with them.

Here's an example of one that just irks me. Tommy has teenage kids. The prison said, sure, you can phone them during the day only. Well, the kids are at school and they wouldn't let Tommy make phone calls outside of those hours because they needed staff to listen to the calls or whatever. So he was effectively barred from talking to his own kids. They listened in on the calls. They cut off calls. They cut off visitors, as you said. There's a whole host of small things.

They banned GB News from the prison TVs. That was the only channel Tommy could stomach. Those are small things, although when you're in a box for 22, 23 hours a day, maybe they're not so small. But I just think that um i don't know let me give me a quick anecdote i had a black cab like a like an old school cabbie today and i told them about the case and there's some wonderful british traits like stiff upper lip and assume the best about people, like some of my favorite things about the Brits,

how have they manifest themselves? The cabbie today said, oh, well, you know, I'm sure it's, I'm sure he's done something wrong. Maybe he'll think twice. We don't want speech that incites violence. Okay. He's right, but he's eliding, he's confusing, you know, hurtful words with actually inciting violence, which, of course, we would never. So here's a good guy, a regular cabbie, I'd maybe even call him a touch conservative. And he was, you know, that British, well, you know, I'm sure it's fine. The system is good. Like, I just, I feel like Brits don't have their guard up, because maybe it's too horrible to contemplate what's happening if there was a a wife of a politician in my country who was sentenced to 31 months in prison for a thoughtless

tweet that was up for four hours it i think it would be shocking i think hopkins says the storm is coming i hope she's right i certainly sense today real anger but i guess i also sense that fear and on that note ezra can you talk to me at all i mean i know obviously you haven't seen him because he hasn't been released yet oh to answer your earlier question yeah they did they did say tommy get out of there yeah you've made your point and i i mean, listen, before he went in, I said to the lad, I said, at that point, the video had been seen 50 million times. It was probably more than any other British documentary. I said, look, how about declare victory? I mean, 50 million. And he was adamant. And that's, let me say one quick thing about Tommy. In some ways, he would be

called irrational. Like it's irrational to voluntarily take so much punishment. The whole system is designed to deter people by saying, if you don't listen to court orders and I am going to take this punishment. And some people might even say, in a Christ-like way, I will suffer for the higher purpose and for my countrymen. And so the law doesn't really know what to do with someone like Tommy Robinson, because he's stubborn, and we need stubborn people to make change in the system. And he was the pointy edge of the spear. Now you have all sorts of other people talking about the issues. There was a long time there where really grooming gangs, you weren't allowed to talk about them. I mean, one or two journalists and deportation.

I was up in Runcorn a couple of weeks ago. You know, the Reform UK platform frees immigration, stop the boats oh my heavens i remember it wasn't that long ago when reform wouldn't say that kind of thing out loud i mean he shifted the overton window without without any doubt but the big question ezra is what now what is the plan because of course there are all of these other attempts by the British deep state to put Tommy back in jail. Like, he knows that he is going to be targeted. So he already is. Of course.

Exactly. So what now? How is he going to stay out of jail? What is the plan now? Well, I mean, I think he's got to be extremely careful because the state has an enormous amount of resources hunting him. And sometimes he doesn't even have to do anything wrong for them to hunt them. Remember when he attended the march against anti-Semitism about a year ago, a year and a half ago? I was there, by the way, and I bumped into him. I didn't know he was going to be there. I literally bumped into him by accident.

I was thrilled that he was there because, you know, I'm a Jew myself. I'm sympathetic to Israel. I was delighted to have him there. Just by being there, someone complained about him, and he was banned from London for months. So it's not as if he was doing anything wrong. So many of the things that Tommy does, it's like Lavrentiy Beria, the old Soviet secret policeman, who says, show me the man, I'll find you the crime.

I hate to say it, but I think we're getting to the point where I don't know if Tommy Robinson can even get a fair trial in this country. And if the law doesn't get him, the outlaws might get him. You know, there's something called an Osmond warning. It's the name of a case where, I won't explain where the name comes from, but if police have actionable intelligence that you were about to be attacked, they have to physically come to you and hand you a piece of paper called an Osmond warning detailing the threat to your life. Tommy's received, I think, 11 or 12 of these.

Some of these people have been arrested, tried, convicted, and jailed. Like, actual terrorist schemes, that's probably more terrorist schemes to get him than 99% of MPs and cabinet ministers. I would say only the prime minister himself has perhaps had 11 attempts on his life. So if the law doesn't get him, the outlaws will, I don't know if this is a safe country for him. And, you know, it may be. Do you think he will stay or is there the possibility of seeking asylum, for example, in the US? Well, I mean, I'm not that intimately familiar with his personal life. I know he was spending some time in Spain and I think it's dangerous for him in the UK.

And I don't know. I mean, I think that America, many of these problems are not as acute. And I think they're dealing with them. They're dealing with some of these problems of anti-Semitism, radical Islam, mass immigration. So maybe they're a step ahead of the UK that way. I don't know. Listen, I haven't had a chance to have a personal heart- heart with him in months because the prison won't let me in. Hopefully this week, I'll have a chance to catch up with him. And one of the things I'm worried about is, as you may know,

is his family. I mean, I don't mean to be dark, but there is a chance that Tommy's life will not end naturally. And planning for that and trying to avoid that, that but preparing, you know, to take care of the kids, that is something that's on my mind. And I know it's on Tommy's mind as well. It's terrible. It's terrible that a Brit cannot feel safe in his own country, either from the law or from bandits. And that's, that's the state of things right now. I don't mean this, I love the United Kingdom. That's why it's so strange to me these things are happening. It's chilling.

And look, I know Kathy will agree with me. We are so grateful, Ezra, for people like you who do care enough about the United Kingdom to raise the alarm. I mean, in some ways I find it so sad when I see major American commentators who I really respect, for example, even today, like Tim Pool saying, F the United Kingdom. Then I think about what's going on and it's like, I get it. I understand it. It is so disturbing. And so that's, I guess, where we find ourselves. But it is a very, very worrying state. Breaking right now, David Starkey has faced a major backlash for saying, I think completely correctly, by the way, that the English native population is at threat of cancellation. This comes as a new poll reveals that 44% of all British people, by the way, it was reported wrongly in the MSM that this was just white

British people. No, no, no. It's all British people agree with Slippery Starmer and say that they do feel like strangers in their own country. Now, you can look at the macro and the micro of this, and I would argue the micro is this decision by Gregg's, Britain's favourite bakery, to say that it's going to remove all its cold sandwiches and bottled drinks from its self-service fridges. They're going to start putting them behind the counters because of efforts to curb shoplifting. As Chris Rose said, Britain is descending into an uncivilised, low-trust society. It is tragic.

So I will show you, by the way, some of these shocking antics going on at Gregg's. But before that that here's what david starkey had to say about the changes that he believes are being forced on the english native population we'll watch this then we'll get analysis from ezra levant of rebel news and kathy gingell of Conservative Women. We have decided, in theory at any rate, that what makes you native isn't being born here, isn't ancestry, isn't cultural emotion,

isn't that sense of standing in the footsteps of others, extraordinary feeling? That if you are, I think, a native and you stand in Westminster Abbey at one extreme or a country churchyard at the other, you know hundreds of people like you have stood there before from generation to generation, which decided none of that actually matters and that, merely a declaration, a piece of paper, a statement of citizenship. And it's this that the left is so outraged about. Its entire world view has been undercut. The idea that words take precedence over everything. Remember, the left and the soft right is basically a magical exercise. It believes that words, mere words, change things. This is why cancellation has become so important. The mere uttering of the slightest wrong phrase, saying a coloured person rather than a person of colour, was sufficient to destroy people's career.

It's exactly this. Cathy Gingell, is David Starkey right that the English native population is being almost wiped out in terms of its existence as a group of people by the establishment? Well, it's being wiped out in different ways. It's being wiped out because the white population is fundamentally being accused of xenophobia as soon as it criticizes anything like mass immigration and the things that we've talked about, or uses the words as Lucy Connolly did, words that actually quite a lot of people would have been quite sort of sympathetic with. I was certainly incredibly alarmed and dismayed when I heard of this barbaric, brutal massacre of the children in Southport.

It's made me very alarmed for young children in this society. But to say that, as I say that now, I will be accused of being xenophobic. And of course, it is mainly white British people who are going to make that judgment. There may be others, too. There's certainly older immigrant generations who are extremely worried about exactly the same thing, who have integrated, want to integrate. But yes, and then there's simply the demographics. I mean, I think London, it's now we're a white minority in London. I walk in parts of London and I feel it's not my country any longer. OK, I'm my age. I'm into my seventh decade, I think, which is horrible. I refuse to believe it, Cathy. You look far too good for that.

But even people say, oh, you're old. You haven't adapted. You haven't grown up in it. But no, I mean, I have to say, if I'd wanted to go and live in the Middle East, I would go and live in the Middle East and not find it on the Uxbridge Road or in East London or in Tower Hamlets. Of course, we don't even have English names. That makes me racist. I'm not racist.

There are certain aspects of an imposition of a culture on my culture that I find very alarming because fundamentally so much of it is anti-democratic and it's so regressive in terms of women and in terms of fundamental rights or indeed these fundamentals, freedom of speech. So, yes, of course, David Starkey's right. And I mean, we saw today the inauguration of the Rotherham Mayor. I mean, a very dutiful looking woman sitting there with her veil on. And as I tweeted, I could only see three women in that picture. I don't think I could see any white Brits at all. I mean, maybe there aren't any white Brits living back in Rotherham, but only three of the women were without veils.

Well, to me, I've never been a feminist, but I've always been a believer in female equality. What does that say about modern British womanhood? To me, it's horrifying, absolutely horrifying, because the veil is a symbol of submission. What has happened? So, yes, David Starkey is right israel levant is david starkey correct yeah one of the things professor starkey talks about is a high trust society and and that comes from centuries of communal thinking and i mean look at the word nation. It comes from the root word to be born there, natal. And you can't just bring massive numbers of people over.

They will not integrate. And I have begun using the phrase indigenous British people or indigenous Irish people because it's true. And every other ethnic group around the world that National Geographic has told us about, you know, indigenous people in the Brazilian rainforest, indigenous people, you know, in the plains of North America. How about the see this happening in the third world or in Asian countries or African countries. The people come and destroy their culture or water it down or replace it. It's a unique phenomenon in the West. And I think it's being piped into different countries without the consent of the governed. I have never seen a referendum or even an election in France, UK, Canada, on the issue of mass immigration. Donald Trump made it an issue and won. And Najaf Raj may have been on that issue too. But for 60 years, or 60, because obviously, you know, there's all of this negativity in

the mainstream media that has shrouded Enoch Powell and the rivers of blood speech. But actually, if you go back and you look at the polling, even 60 years ago, two thirds of Brits totally agreed with Enoch Powell. And we have been ignored when it comes to mass immigration for six decades, ushering in the nightmare that Enoch Powell warned about. But look, I want to look at the micro now. I mentioned Greggs. This matters. Ezra, do you know about Greggs, by the way? Of course, as you can see, you don't get a body like this without knowing about Greggs. So look at what is now going on every single day at virtually every Greggs up and down the country. It's one of Britain's high street institutions,

but now even Gregg's has become a hotbed of shoplifting. A Sun investigation today lays bare the full extent of how branches of the beloved bakery chain are being ransacked every day by Britain's marauding... And Conservative MP Matt Vickers, who's actually doing some really good work, is taking on this issue. I love Gregg's. That's why I'm devastated by the news today that because of prolific shoplifters, because shoplifting is through the roof, Greggs have made a decision to lock behind their counter

their sandwiches, their soft drinks, maybe even their multi-buy sausage rolls to tackle it. Horrendous situation. That's why we put forward an amendment to the crime and policing bill that would have seen prolific shoplifters forced to face a ban, a tag or a curfew. It's a really sad sign for Greggs. It's a really sad sign for high streets across the country. These people need to face consequences for their actions. Stop stealing our sausage rolls. But Cathy, this is just evidence, isn't it, of a low-trust society? It's evidence of decriminalisation by our, again, wonderful judiciary and police establishments, the people who run them, decriminalisation of shoplifting, along with decriminalisation of stabbing, which are both massively on the rise.

So while we incarcerate people like Lucy and Tommy, we are letting thousands and thousands of people go without sanction, without comeback on stealing and stabbing. And people are scared again. I was in a boots actually two years ago towards the end of lockdown, I seem to remember. And I saw a chap came in with a hood and just swept the shelf clear. And I shouted, stop, stop, stop. And there was a security guard standing there. And I said, tell, what are you doing? And he said, oh, I'm not allowed. My compliance doesn't allow me. I've been told that I can't interfere with a shoplifter. So we've got a complete breakdowngo hero. I mean, that's why you think how amazing the brave people were at Southport.

But mainly, people won't do this. And it is all to do, there's a great theory in America about, oh, it's what's it called? Windowless crimes? I'm trying to remember. Broken windows theory, yeah. Yes, if you don't hit the small crime, your society runs out of...

Well, it's how Rudy Giuliani turned around New York, wasn't it? And it feels like, I mean, look, can London be saved? It's not just London, obviously, what's happening at Gregg's, but I mean, it does seem to be the epicentre of a lot of this. London has to want to be saved too. And some of the systems in place, I believe the security guard that they were told don't interfere, you could get hurt, someone stealing a few hundred dollars, no point getting wounded, or God forbid worse, that could cost thousands and tens of thousands. So I believe that the system permits it and people game the system.

Back in Canada, there's so many foreign students. There's a million people who claim to be foreign students. And they've discovered that Canadian niceness has set up things called food banks, where if you're hungry and poor, you come and get free food. And many of these foreign students say, oh, free food. That's stupid. Let's go get it. That's what happens when people from a low-trust society come to a high-trust society. They just run rampant. But everyone has to agree that we're not going to tolerate that.

You're so right to say the Rudy Giuliani approach of broken windows, as in crack down on the little things, but you need the buy-in of everybody. And I remember hearing one of the Giuliani staffers talk about it, how sometimes it was just one or two or three gang members that would terrify an entire city block. Hundreds of people would live in fear of one or two or three guys that if you ever swept them off the street, you would liberate hundreds. And I think that London is not too far gone to be saved but with santa can and and kirstarmer and i mean is it really going to be or or i mean i i saw him the other day talking about someone who was pooping in like an encampment and talked about how glorious

refugees are for the UK. If you forgive and tolerate and subsidize every malady, of course, you're going to have this descent into decline. Yeah, it's very, very disturbing. Yeah, I know some of those images that you're talking about, Ezra. They're not pretty. But look, do stand by Ezra Levant and Cathy Gingell because in just one minute, there has been a bloodbath at ITV today. This, folks, is the beginning of the end of the mainstream media in the United Kingdom. I actually think it's a day to be celebrated. I'll go into the

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have its own staff and it will effectively be run by Tom Bradby's outfit out of Grey's Inn Road. And this is just the beginning. Look, there were tears today. 312 staff, I'm told, put at risk of redundancy. And while no one wants to see anyone lose their job, unfortunately, Woke ITV has had this coming for a very, very long time, but they haven't listened. And from my experience working at that company over a long period of time, the bosses have a disdain of their audience. They look down on the working classes. They even use nicknames sometimes to talk about the people who watch their shows. And thank God, with the independent media space, there is now an alternative to the gatekeepers at ITV constantly trying to tell us what to think. But look, I've got some fascinating insight into what's really gone on at WOKI TV with

these decisions. Because as you know, I was there for a very long time. I know the personalities involved. And you know, sometimes they say, be good to the people on the way up. Because when you're on the way down, those people will remember if you treated them nicely or not. And for Lorraine Kelly, that's just become a comment that she should have listened to. ITV's new boss of news and the person who is behind this absolute bloodbath is a guy called Andrew Dagnall who used to run ITV News and has since joined ITV Daytime. Now, when I was working with Lorraine Kelly all of those years ago, and I was friends with both of these characters, obviously, since my cancellation, they didn't want a bar of me.

That to be expected from people who work at WOKI TV. But I remember a story of something that went down between Lorraine and Andrew Dagnall, where he pledged that he would seek revenge on Lorraine Kelly and one day ruin her career. Today, he put that into practice. It was when Lorraine was interviewing Amanda Knox, you know, the American woman who was falsely accused of the murder of Meredith Kircher. And this was quite a big exclusive at the time. And Andrew Dagnall had the cheek, he had the cheek to say to Lorraine,

can you please just speak a little bit slowly when you're interviewing Amanda Knox? Because I'm very worried that she's not going to understand your broad Scottish accent. Well, Lorraine, she hit the roof. She was absolutely furious and ropeable. How dare this young producer tell me this veteran who's been interviewing people for decades with my broad Scottish accent to speak slowly. She was absolutely furious about it. And a feud between the pair ensued over many years. Well, of course, when Andrew Dagnall got this new job at ITV, what was the first decision he made to axe Lorraine Kelly for 22 weeks of the year and to slash her show from 60 minutes to 30 minutes and at the same time get rid of her production team altogether. So there is a lesson

in that, isn't there? Let me bring in my superstar panel now, Ezra Levent. He is the boss of Rebel News and Cathy Gingell of Conservative Woman, who, Cathy, look, I guess we should explain to people, shouldn't we? You have a long heritage, really, via your late great hubby. You've got to understand, I was working with Lorraine Kelly in the early 1980s. I hate to do this to her, but I don't mind doing it to myself. And when I first met her, she was a TVAM reporter, Scottish reporter for TVAM. And with her broad Scottish accent, she was bravely reporting off North Sea oil rigs and wherever the weather was the worst in Scotland. And the reason that my late husband, Bruce Gingell, who was the boss of TVAM then, gave her the front woman top job post Dan Diamond was because he said any woman who can report like that on a North Sea oil rig with a forced God knows what gale blowing her hair over her face and not be discombobulated and get it all out and tell us what's happening.

He said she deserves the top spot. And he's been proved right. I mean, you know, she's had a fantastic career. I have to admit, I haven't watched Loose Women. It's not my cup of tea. ITV's been on the out, I agree with you, for a long time. I think all these shows are very, they've outlived their time in the modern age. But nobody can say that she hasn't had a terrific career and she's not a very talented broadcaster.

No, and you could argue that this is brutal treatment of someone who has given decades working for a company like Wokai TV. Look, I think one of the big issues was the pandemic because Wokai TV became such a malevolent force in terms of driving lockdowns for such a long time. But then it was also actually to do with woke politics. And Ezra, I mean, as I say, I've got personal experience with this. When I left ITV in 2019, one of the reasons was because I was told that I was unable to report honestly on Meghan Markle, which is what I was doing at the time. I was just reporting what was going on right within the royal family, but there was this huge amount of very, very nasty stuff that was going on. And I reported honestly, but Tom Bradby, who's effectively the editor of ITV News, even though he's only the presenter,

is very good friends with Prince Harry and Meghan. And he was trying to control the output. So we saw that Piers Morgan got axed after that infamous Oprah Winfrey interview between Meghan and Harry, where Piers Morgan said, I don't believe a word that this woman is saying. So they were going down this woke path. And then in recent years, Ezra, it's happened on steroids. So for example, look at this. There's a loose women panel now remembering in the united kingdom i think we're something like you know uh four percent black as a wide population there's a loose women panel of all black female panelists but ezra it's an absolute outrage if there is a panel of all white women and the audience don't like this type of identity politics being shoved down their throat. I don't watch these shows. I live in Canada. Our news is different. I do follow many of these

different Twitter accounts, though. But, you know, the old media is giving way to the new. And I think that theoretically, everyone could be a journalist. I mean, not everyone's going to be a good journalist or a thoughtful one or a clever one or a popular one. But these days, news gathering is disaggregated. It's diffused. And I think that makes for better. I think that's more democratic. I love citizen journalists. And I'm excited to see how well your show is doing, Dan. Thank you so much. Well, look, I am also excited, to be honest, because, Cathy, you know how ITV has operated for so many years, it's like the big US broadcasters, which are struggling, CBS, NBC, ABC, because they have hundreds and hundreds of staff. And these staff members are gatekeepers. They're people who write scripts, who control what presenters are going to say. In this independent space, I don't have any of that. I don't need any of that. I don't want any of that. When I used to be presenting a 10-minute segment on The Lorraine Kelly Show, there'd be about six producers

attempting to script and control every single word that I said. I think people are sick of that type of broadcasting. They don't want it anymore. They've absolutely embraced the independent media revolution. They have absolutely embraced major independent broadcasters in the US like Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson, who I would argue are more influential, certainly in the case of Tucker and Megyn, more influential outside of Fox News than they were within it. And Ezra, thank you for saying so. And I will just blow my own trumpet for one moment. Outspoken just last week in the first ever top 100 podcast chart that YouTube has put together. And by the way, this is

just with American audiences. So only with American audiences, Joe Rogan experience, as you would expect, is number one. But Outspoken was in there as well in the top 100. So Kathy, I guess the point being, right, if you look at where people are watching their content now, so much of it is online on YouTube, on X, people can link it up to their TVs. And what's so fascinating, Kathy, is no one wants to watch ITV on YouTube. No one's watching the ITV podcasts or the LBC podcast. But what's really distressing is, I mean, first of all, it's astonishing that they failed to adapt to what they knew from the late 90s was going to be a massive fragmentation of the media market with everyone having a laptop, then later on everybody having the iPhones. And there was this going to be people who knew, knew there was going to be this great fragmentation of communication across a much broader span of media. The mainstream broadcasters like BBC, ITV, Sky, they simply haven't adapted because they've had a monopoly over airtime.

And this is what's so wrong. And in the case of the BBC, they have a monopoly with our licence fee. Now, we are all still, I haven't watched any of these networks for as long as I haven't had a licence fee, which is several years now. I did that to vote with my feet against this. And, but so in a way, what the real thing, congratulations for you two for beating up through this. There's really a ceiling to crack through on this if you're in social media and being independent as a journalist like you are or like Ezra is because the money is still being held by those major broadcasters and as you say even though there's a declining audience they are the gatekeepers so you get, you would always get when I worked on Weekend World on ITV years ago, the big thing was that the Weekend World programme was designed to get the headline in The Times the next morning. And it invariably did.

Bram Walden's show on Monday morning. So even then there was this sort of, how do you call it, embrace between politics and the media, which of course, the Joe Rogans, Tucker Carlsons and you have chucked up into the air, thankfully. But it's still got quite a grip and it's still quite a battle to break it. And people have got to stop paying their license fee and not exactly and as i'm always saying kathy stop paying your license fee put that money and support your favorite independent journalist support conservative women support rebel news if you want to support outspoken that's great too what i'm yeah so we're demonetized. I'm sure I don't know whether Rebel News is demonetized. So I cannot advertise. I mean, Google ads will will not. And you and that has an impact on other advertisers.

And so I don't have the money to have a marketing director to find my own advertisers. You've done really well on that, Dan. I think there's a couple of things to say there, though, because Ezra, I've been very lucky that my launch has coincided with the second MAGA revolution, which thank God, and I genuinely say thank God for Donald Trump every day, because what it's meant is that he has been able to crack down on what was becoming the most shocking form of censorship on big tech i mean it was impossible i mean i was censored all the time over the pandemic for such simple things even like talking about the lab leak for example and dan bongino who is now second in command at the fbi for god's sake he wasn't just demonetized. He was actually removed by

Google altogether for simply saying that masks did not work. So look, Ezra, it's not to say that there are not challenges in the independent space. But as it stands, I think Trump has done a great thing because all of a sudden big tech does seem to be embracing free speech and also that is really sensible because youtube is getting so much of the advertising money now ezra because they're not just servicing 50 of the population like the legacy media is the democrats in the u.s they're servicing everyone yeah you know what mark zuckerberg had a kind of a conversion it's a come to mama moment a come to trump moment he just he said he was going to lay off 40 000 fact checkers censors i didn't know they had 40 000 censors at facebook that's insane to me and they were

going to make certain changes about particular issues that you just described. And he said in his statement, Mark Zuckerberg, this is my favorite part. He said he's going to do that in America, but also around the world with the help of the State Department. He was very clear that he wanted to have this free speech as a global theme for Facebook, but he needed Donald Trump's help for that. And think about it. These multinational tech companies, whenever they operate in a country, they have to follow that country's laws. So for example, Pakistan, all the time, censors tweets or whatever in that country that touch on religious or cultural things. And if Twitter doesn't like it, if Facebook doesn't like it, they don't have to operate there. But that puts Facebook at a disadvantage to every, you know, 200 countries in the world. Unless America is there to say, whoa, Brazil, why are you censoring Twitter?

Why are you censoring France? Why are you censoring? So if Donald Trump and J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio help, this can be a blessing to the whole world. Only America has the First Amendment, and the rest of us suffer by the lack of it. But if Trump can push that freedom out through the veins of the Internet by using Twitter and Facebook, et cetera, he can make all of us a little bit freer. And, of course, Elon Musk deserves the most credit for it. Twitter not only uses free speech, but I think you know, Dan, that they have an

anti-retaliation force at Twitter, that if anyone's fired or gets in trouble for tweets, Twitter will help them. It's not a secret. I'm not revealing anything to tell you that Tommy Robinson's two recent cases were paid for by Elon Musk'sk's good on him and also x and its government uh affairs department did also come out in support of lucy connelly which really warmed my heart because obviously elon musk has been much more quiet on these things while he's been running doge and part of the u.s administration i actually think and and there are signs of this today, by the way, that Elon Musk is increasingly backing away from his formal role in the administration. I actually think in some ways, Elon Musk is a more powerful force outside

government. Do you know what I mean? Really able to call out and bring attention to these cases without being worried. Yeah. Well, I just hope that he takes on the online safety people of calm in this country because because this is an absolute disaster. It's a brief speech. And again, you know, this is the censorship is very government driven. And I think in a way, even under the sort of Biden administration, it was people thought Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, all these things were the origin of the censorship. Well, to a large extent that they were running at the command. It's extraordinary running at the command of governments. The UK government was going over advising on censorship with America.

And we MPs were pushing for this of all political parties, pushing for our online safety bill. Now Ofcom is threatening to not allow MPs to be presenters. And, you know, this would be seen as a direct attack on Farage, I imagine, to stop him broadcasting in the next few years to run up the next election. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. There are massive battles to fight. There are. And this is why it was so frustrating, Cathy, in an argument for another day, but we've had it many times, that GB News was so wrong for capitulating to the off-communist mob immediately when it came to Mark

Stein, then myself, then Lawrence Fox. But look, what a fabulous superstar panel on a big day of breaking news. Ezra Levent, love your work, love everything Rebel News does, but especially love that you just decided to be at the scene today. It's so good to have you in the United Kingdom. Kathy Gingell, you know I love everything that you do at Conservative Woman. You are a true freedom fighter and always brilliant to have you on Outspoken too, so thank you both so much.

And it is just so funny, by the way, when I'm thinking about woke ITV and how all of this operates because I was talking about this guy who hated Lorraine Kelly, Andrew Dagnall. And how he had this absolute desire to bring down Lorraine Kelly. Which he has obviously managed to do today. What's so amusing is that he's a guy who is very, very middle class, right?

Born in London, rich parents, all of that type of thing. But he is part Iranian. And he always would joke that he was able to use woke ITV's diversity policies to allow him to move up the system quicker. And it's like, this is why these organizations are eating themselves. And this is why, I'm sorry, I don't at all feel sad about what's happened to wokai tv today as soon as you start taking your viewers for granted you're finished and you deserve to be finished as soon as you think that you should be delivering a brand of politics to your viewers because they're too stupid to believe what's actually

right, and we saw that, by the way, with the way that Wokai TV covered stories such as Brexit, then it's over. And as I say, this is the beginning of the end, because what you're going to see now on Good Morning Britain, for example, is a glut of the most awful, awful activist journalists who don't do journalism but do politics, like Paul Brand. They will end up taking over Good Morning Britain. So trust me, this is the beginning of the end. Those big brands are out. ITV is going to be finished and we should celebrate it because this has been a really famous broadcaster in the past. But if you look at their track record over the past five years, it has been a negative one. So there you go. I just have to tell it like it is. OK, your feedback today. Gosh, lots of it. JF wrote, Starmer just can't help putting more nails in his political career.

From Julie Cole, Rupert Lowe, the only politician actively helping Lucy. His ex tweet, I have written to the secretary of state for justice about Lucy Connolly. Good on you. D Savage says it's all deliberate. Anyone who thinks we live in a democratic country needs to educate themselves more. JP Gordon says, God bless Lucy. The NHS refused basic OBS on her 18-month-old son who died in agony of liver failure.

There were rumours GPs were on site at hotels for migrants. Marie says, stay silent or go to prison. Jackie Cage says, where I live lots of people rob Greggs. They walk in there and walk out with lots of things. The poor staff can't stop them and have they have been told not to as the scum can get violent. So I mean it is really just a shocking, shocking state of affairs. Now it's time to reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. A reminder of your three Union Jackass nominees. Gary Lineker, nominated by Mick Cass for his track record and saying he's stepping away when he was sacked. Lord Justice Holroyd,

nominated by A Webb. He is the judge, of course, who denied Lucy Connolly's appeal. And Nigel Nelson, nominated by Reid Weld because he supported people being imprisoned as political prisoners and we played you that exchange on GB News earlier in the show but actually most of you are feeling pretty fond of Nigel Nelson just eight percent of you going for him 14 percent voting for Gary Lineker but But today's union jackass, by an overwhelming margin, Lord Holroyd for denying Lucy Connolly's appeal. On the positive side, though, today's Greatest Britain, nominated by Big Mama Booth, is Tommy Robinson.

And she said, political prisoner who is just standing up for normal folk and being exactly that, normal. Thank you so much for being here today. We're not going anywhere though, because coming up in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Prince William and Catherine, the princes of Wales have revealed they will never speak to Meghan Markle again. We'll bring you the latest from our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. So please do sign up at www.outspoken.live. For all of the reasons, by the way, that I spoke about in the previous segment, it is very important that we are protected from big tech cancellation. And you can do so by supporting me at Substack. And by the way, you can sign up completely for free www.outspoken.live. There is

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