Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON & GARY LINEKER CLASH OVER INVASION AS HORROR CRIME LEAVES BRITAIN ON BRINK

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Tommy Robinson lashes out at Gary Lineker over his radio silence over the crime which has shocked the nation as invading animals to his own country are now attacking and raping young English girls in town centres on an industrial scale. But this has become a red line for the British public, even as the crooked elite class, with sickening suicidal empathy, continue to gaslight us. Dan argues we must stop making excuses for Islamist Britain in the Digest. Then the Superstar Panel are here: Father Calvin Robinson – host of Reclaim the Media’s Fox and Father – and psychologist and broadcaster Emma Kenny – the woman behind the hit YouTube channel Emma Kenny true crime. PLUS: A leaked Nigel Farage gay joke goes viral in the latest bid to cancel the Reform UK leader. But Dan explains why it’s funny and will only help him in the polls. AND: Elon Musk reveals he cannot leave the house since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle goes to war with the Daily Mail as she uses US government agents to deliver a note to her father following the amputation of his leg in a hospital in the Philippines. We’ll team up with YouTube sensation According2Taz for all the royal latest. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Woodson. This is outspoken episode number 379. Breaking right now, Tommy Robinson lashes out at Gary Lineker over his radio silence about the crime which has rocked our nation to its very core as invading animals to his own country and our attacking and raping young English girls in town centres on an industrial scale. This doesn't matter what you are. This is my religion. No, never. Bollicks, bologics. No, no, no. It's our religion.

Bollocks. My religion. I do think what has come out this week after a deep state cover-up, though, is now a red line for the British public. Ignored by those who are supposed to represent and protect them. Ignored and abandoned. Thrown to the wolves in pursuit of some sick, multicultural experiment. which is being forced on our people. Allowing people to come into Britain on those boats

is directly endangering the safety of women and children in our country. I think it's disgusting. If you have to hide the truth from British people because the truth would risk them rioting, maybe you want to think long and hard about the obscene and treacherous policy choices that have got us to this point. Yet the crooked elite class with sickening suicidal empathy

continue to gaslight us. I think that we have to put all of this into perspective. And Patrick, I did find it offensive what you said a second ago about directly linking Islam to these crimes. I don't feel unsafe when I'm walking the streets of London. Yes, we have crime in London, just as any big city does. But is it really any worse than New York or Detroit or Chicago? My message to Donald Trump is, look after your own backyard.

before you start insulting hours. See, when it comes to the mayor of London, you would not be surprised to know I, of course, take a strongly different view and I think the mayor is doing an excellent job for the people of London. Why we must stop making excuses for Islamist Britain in my digest next.

Then the superstar panel are here. Father Calvin Robinson, host of Reclaim the Media's Fox and Father, and psychologist and broadcaster Emma Kenny, the woman behind the hit YouTube channel, Emma Kenny true crime. Also coming up on the show today, a leaked Nigel Farage gay joke goes viral and the latest bid to cancel the reform UK leader. I'll tell you why it's actually funny and we'll probably only help him in the polls. Katie Hopkins challenges the McCannes as Maddie's parents

go to war with the British media. Jerry McCann has just given a rare interview. We'll show you what he's said. And Megan Markle's battle with the Daily Mail. as she uses U.S. government agents to deliver a note to her father following the amputation of his leg in a hospital in the Philippines. Then, in the uncanceled after show on Substack, Prince Harry, plotting a rival royal court to Prince William. After getting Chabana Mahmood to review his security arrangements, we're going to team up with YouTube sensation.

According to Taz, for all the royal latest, you can come and join us over on Substack at www.outspoken.live after the main show. We'll also be revealing a brand new Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. How are your nominees for the worst Britain in the world today? You can vote, by the way, on the YouTube live chat. Hugh Edwards, nominated by Matt Cass, who says no doubt this scumbag is serious, a danger to children, and yet he thinks he'll be accepted back in the limelight. He should keep his head down, be a better person, and be very fecking thankful his pals kept him a free man.

Zara Sultanna nominated by Homeheart 63, who says screaming and shouting about the useful idiots who have chosen to go on a hunger strike for Palestine, how can anyone take this activist seriously? And Bonnie Blue, nominated by Emma Neal, who says she was arrested in Bali for promoting her bang bus and is allegedly looking at 15 years in a harsh jail. Okay, there are your nominees. Keep your votes coming in. Let me know what you think throughout the show. love hearing from you. I will read out some of the best comments at the end today. But now, let's go. Silence. Complete and utter silence. Gary Linneker, who you remember couldn't shut up, he could not shut up about the apparent human rights abuses against children in Gaza, has not said a word, not one word about the invading animals, to his own country who are now attacking and raping young English girls in town centres on an

industrial scale. Well, Tommy Robinson has today challenged the human rights hypocrite, writing, care to comment on this post? Gary Lineker? Of course, absolutely no response. That post revealed details of the crime which has shaken patriots up and down this country to our very core. But sadly, we know this is something that parents of virtually all girls fear because of the regularity of these atrocities. This one, though, has, I think, stuck and we're feeling it deep because of the deep state attempt to cover up the reality that two Afghan illegals who invaded our country on small boats, Jan Jochenzeb and Israel Nahazan. who both lied and said they were 17,

then brutally raped a British 15-year-old in a Leamington Park as she begged passers-bys for help. The footage we just saw from the Daily Mail shows these two crescents strutting around the same Midlands Park the next day without a care in the world. So this crime, which has horrified the nation, is totally ignored.

by the Linneka elite class. Do you know it didn't get one mention at PMQ's today? It isn't leading mainstream news bulletins. But Rupert Lowe of Restore Britain burst the bubble of the consensus of silence in one of the most powerful speeches I have heard in Parliament in recent years because of the horror of what he was describing

and the ignorance of our so-called leaders who refused to do anything about it. and its impact on our country is simply not understood in this Parliament, nor do most members even care. British people are genuinely scared. I am contacted by dozens and dozens of women who genuinely fear for their lives and they feel ignored by this place, ignored by those who are supposed to represent and protect them, ignored and abandoned, thrown to the wolves in pursuit of some sick, multicultural experiment

that is being forced on our people. You're going to rape me, the girl of pride, as she was dragged away. She screamed for help and begged not to be taken. One of the migrants gagged her with his hand. The Afghan men forced her to perform sex acts in a secluded area. She is heard screaming for help. She calls for her friends. She wants to go home.

She's pleading for help from passers by. Nunn came. Can you imagine her horror, her fear, her desperation? Think if it was your daughter. How would that make you feel? Honestly, think about that. Honestly, think about that. And as patriots, we do.

Nigel Farage followed up today with his own video. So a 15-year-old girl is raped by two young Afghan males, one age 16, one age 17, that have come into Britain by boat. The defence in court is they come from a different culture that doesn't recognise that women should be out free to walk the streets. I folks have been saying this for years, and the Conservative and Labour parties, allowing people to come into Britain on those boats,

is directly endangering the same. of women and children in our country. I think it's disgusting. I think we need change. And frankly, I think Starma and the rest of them haven't got the guts to stand up for you. His fellow Reform UK Manziah Yusuf made the point that the judge in this case

was actually more concerned about the impact of this crime on other illegals rather than the young English girls who are the actual victims. It's telling that the defence lawyer for the Afghan rapists pleaded with the judge not to release the identity of the rapist because he said doing so would risk social disorder. What does that tell you? What does that tell

you? If you have to hide the truth from British people because the truth would risk them rioting, maybe you want to think long and hard about the obscene and treacherous policy choices that have got us to this point. And a special mention to the judge who took the Afghan rapist to, task. Not for brutalising the poor victim, not for breaking into the country illegally. No. The judge scolded the Afghan rapist because he had betrayed other illegal migrants. Just think about that. According to him, the shame the rapist should feel for raping a 15-year-old girl is for letting down other illegal migrants. But Lawrence Fox wasn't having any of that from the Reform UK head of strategy, writing the same Zia Yusuf who tried to destroy Rupert Lowe's life for proposing

similar. That Zia Yusuf. Reform aren't going to change anything. Just fakers sat at the grown-up's table. Britain is being invaded. Our children are being raped. Words don't cut it anymore. And they don't. I agree. I mean, we are too far gone for words. But what is interesting to me is that I'm seeing our members of the elite class start to think, holy shit, what have we done? I mean, trust me, there is a crisis of confidence right now happening at James O'Brien's LBC, where his fellow presenters are starting to realize what their main man has created.

So someone arises and they can't even attempt to tell us their birthday. We have to give them the birthday, the first of January. That seems incredible. So the elder of the two, who seems to have been the leader of the rape, will face being deported. But as Luke, Shanahan just explained, because the younger of the two that pleading guilty one day before turning 17 makes him one day too young to qualify. His barrister in court made the suggestion that would allow the younger of the rapists to make a life for himself in this country when he is eventually released.

I should tell you that counsel in both cases argued that the video should not be made of and it will not be made available to the public, and I understand that. I'd have no desire to see that. But also, they argued that it shouldn't be made known that they were asylum seekers who arrived from Afghanistan on a boat. Why don't we have the right to know that? But Ferrari is actually wrong about the video, because it doesn't show the rape. It shows the emotional aftermath. And I believe with the victim's permission, it is something we need to see. Remember, the reason we haven't been shown it is because of fears that we need. might riot. Another caller at James O'Brien's LBC, who no doubt is a fan of their main man,

tried to blame the white English girls themselves. Watch. You need to give more education on our young girls, because our young girls approach these foreign guys. So it's up to the girls. It's up to the girls to not approach people who they think might be foreign. Let's not get into a situation where we pull ourselves. and get ourselves into trouble. That's my point. But my other point is... There's a 15-year-old girl having a drinking vodka.

Yep, she's drinking vodka with her friend. She gets separated from her friend, and these two individuals take her off into woodland. That part is wrong. That I totally don't agree with you. So what's that girl meant to... And this is what this... Oh, God.

What is that girl meant to... No, don't laugh. You're despicable, man. No, no. Why are you blaming a... 15-year-old girl for her own rape. I'm not blaming her. Why are you asking her to take responsibility for her own sexual assault? What I'm saying, Tom, don't get me wrong here. What I'm saying is that we need to get ourselves out of these situations. She asked for help.

And this is the problem. This is what your station and James O'Brien have created. because I want to show you this other new video where a man accused of a crime says that his Islam faith operates above our British laws. Yes, you do. I buy my rule. Does it matter what you are?

Does it matter what you are? No, never. Bollocks, bologics. No, no, no, no, no, bologics. My religion, my religion, tell me. Are you in this country on a, um, like, you know, You're here permanently, are you? You're going to fucking back and all. You ain't fucking nonsense our kids. He actually lunged for the security's throat. We've been here three times

for him. Let's see who the embassy's in trouble with now then, eh? Leave well. Leave our kids alone. But that guy may have been caught. How many others aren't? And you can't argue with the statistics. say about rape and sexual crimes last year, 25%, a quarter of them, yes? You have this information, were carried out by foreign criminals, in effect, people coming into this country, yes. In 2024, yes, and that is, of course, just those crimes for which individuals were convicted, and we know that there are very low conviction rates, and that doesn't take into

account the real, the smaller end of that spectrum, actually, the sort of the heckling, the cat calling. One of the big issues we've got though is that truly bad actors like Jonathan Liz on the hard left are given a platform on GB News to obfuscate. This desperate bid for some reason involved bringing up church sex abuse scandals from the past. I think that we have to put all of this into perspective and Patrick I did find it offensive what you said a second ago about directly linking Islam to these crimes. Are we going to have an inquiry into the abuse of Catholic priests in which we try and establish a link between sort of paedophilia and the Catholic and the Catholic.

I'm not. I'm saying that I think we have to be consistent. Well, I'm saying that that would have been grossly offensive. If someone had said at the time of the paedophile priest scandal, It's a huge scandal. I don't think. Across the world. Yet again, a left is whose anger is at the language of patriots rather than the actual crimes being committed against young English girls.

Now, the Daily Express and the Daily Mail. Two newspapers finally woke up today. I would argue it was five years too late. But I do want to give credit to this powerful front page. from their star columnist Sarah Vine, who wrote, I don't care if I'm accused of scaremongering or worse. Facts are facts. A horror is unfolding before our very eyes and it is time to confront some hard truths.

I am perfectly aware that Britain has its fair share of homegrown predators, but men like Wayne Cousins who raped and murdered Sarah Everard are rightly, reviled, despised and harshly dealt with. I am also perfectly aware that there are plenty of of genuine asylum seekers who need our help and who if offered it become law abiding and productive members of our society. But that is not who we are talking about here, and a refusal to acknowledge that these scumbags exist is a big part of the problem. Indeed, in far too many cases, there seems to be an army of lawyers and bleeding heart liberals only too keen to excuse their actions,

or even unbelievably, to suggest that the victims were somehow deserving of their ordeal. She was underage drinking, she was out late at night, blah, blah, you know this story. In one case, defense lawyers claimed the accused had not been educated about the cultural differences between the UK and his native Afghanistan. In another case, lawyers claimed a Syrian perpetrator was suffering from severe and chronic post-traumatic stress disorder and that jailing him would amount to a violation of his human rights. All right. And what about the PTSD of the person he raped? In the latest case of the 15-year-old schoolgirl, the barrister representing the younger of the two-race, argued against his deportation on the grounds that he should be allowed to make a life for himself

in this country when he is eventually released. What? As a reward for having destroyed that of his victim? Unbelievable. How could he or she even countenance such a thing? As for the threat of jail, that's hardly a deterrent. Doing time in a British jail is the equivalent of an extended stay in a holiday camp for most of these men. If they are Muslim, even more so, since they get all sorts of special privileges and exemptions. Alex Phillips also wrote powerfully on this. Let me be absolutely clear, some of these men, coming from the Middle East as illegals, are doing so for sex.

They want to leave their countries where women wear hijabs and burqas. They want sex, sex with fair-haired women, sex with women who have no morals, sex with as many women as possible, sex with girls that look like the horn stars they pleasure themselves to. Sex with silly drunk girls who degrade themselves with alcohol. Sex with feral females who don't cover their bodies and may be taken as slaves. Sex with the daughters of evil Western men who deserve to see their girls abused. Sex with the hordes of girls who party and don't respect themselves. They regard these girls as whores. A candy shop, they get to come and raid in a way they couldn't back at home. These men

are rape tourists. They are. And that's why we keep making far too many excuses in Islamist Britain. I mean, look at this from the Daily Telegraph. A teacher banned from working with children after saying that Britain was a Christian country. And this came after these Islamic students were attempting to wash their feet in the sink of the school, which clearly is just not acceptable in a. our culture. The problem is that the man our elite class hate more than anyone else is one of the only men in the world who is actually prepared to call out what is happening not just here

in the United Kingdom, but across Europe and across all of the West. Step forward Donald Trump. But I hate what's happened to London and I hate what's happened to Paris. I hate when I see it. You know, sir, it's sometimes hard to tell when you say these things Do you intend to send kind of a message of tough love To our allies to push them to make reforms Or do you think that many of them are just weak And you don't really want to be allies with them?

I think they're weak But I also think that They want to be so politically correct I think they don't know what to do Europe doesn't know what to do They don't know what to do on trade either I mean I look at a lot of the trade situation that's going on over there. It's a little bit dangerous. But Europe,

they want to be politically correct, and it makes them weak. That's what makes them weak. It sounds like you want to see some pretty massive changes. Well, I think they should get the people out that came into the country illegally. I want to ask about NATO. You take a look at Sweden. So Sweden was known as the safest country in Europe, one of the safest countries in the world. Now it's known as very unsafe. Well, pretty unsafe. country. It's not even believable. It's a whole different country. Sweden. That blockbuster interview also saw him directly accuse London's Islamist Mayor Sadiq Khan watch.

But most European nations, they're decaying. They're decaying. You can imagine some leaders in Europe are a little freaked out by what your posture is. And European... No, they should be freaked out by what they're doing to. their countries. They're destroying their countries. Well, European Council President. And they're people I like. Look, they're people I like. I get along with them. You know that. But they can't let this happen.

And it gets to a point where you can't really correct it. There'll be a point, and it's very close to that point. And what will that mean? It will mean that they're no longer going to be strong nations. Does that mean they won't be allies anymore? Or they'll be, well, it depends. It depends. They'll change their ideology, obviously, because the people coming in have a totally different ideology.

but it's going to make them much weaker. They'll be much weaker and they'll be much different. And what will that mean for our relationship with that? Look at your mayor of London. He's a disaster. He's a disaster. He's got a totally different ideology of what he's supposed to have. And he gets elected because so many people have come in and they vote for him now.

Of course, that interview has caused the elite class morons like Kay Burley and Ian Dale to use their hatred of Trump to try and excuse Sidique Khan's destruction of London. This is one of the great places in the world and they're allowing people just to come in and unchecked, unvetted. I don't feel unsafe when I'm walking the streets of London. Yes, we have crime in London just as any big city does,

but is it really any worse than New York or Detroit or Chicago? My message to Donald Trump is look after your own backyard before you start insulting hours because London has its problems, But it is not this city racked with crime that you and your colleagues, J.D. Vance, being another one of them, try to make out an eye for one, I'm sick of it. You're a liar, Ian Dale. What you should be sick of, by the way, is the rapes and the murders and the terror in London. Not Donald Trump pointing out the rapes and the murders and the terror. Now, Yvette Cooper had to make this embarrassing defence of Khan.

strength and the strength and commitment to the support Ukraine and also strength to step up to the plate and to ensure that we are increasing our investment in defence and also making sure that we are doing our bit through the coalition of the willing as well as through investment in the military support and the energy infrastructure support that Ukraine needs and then obviously when it comes to the mayor of London, you would not be surprised to know. I, of course, take a strongly different view. And I think the mayor is doing an excellent job for the people of London. But they know that's not true. They know that's not true. And they know the Prime Minister's not doing a good job either. So the rats in labour are circling, slippery stammer. As anyone's saying

in the party acknowledges, he is finished as Prime Minister. Historical measures absolutely beyond unpopular. I think, you know, Ricketts is probably more popular than Kirstama at the moment. This is about political survival. People have in number 10 and otherwise have to look beyond factionalism. Do you want your biggest legacy to deliver a reform government? Is that what you want

your legacy to be? Because at the moment we have halved our poll rating since Election Day 2024. It was very much loveless anyway, but we are now currently on average around 18%. Those numbers historically are, you do not turn round those sorts of numbers. That is not going

to happen. And where the people like... You don't think they can come back for that? Not on to this, Prime Minister. No chance. He's the... Do you know the thing my brother said, actually, who watches the news but isn't quite political geeks like us? He said, the thing he always picks up on is no one likes him. Either people are ambivalent, because, again, people don't really know what Labour stands for at the moment. They certainly don't know what care stands for, and they see his authenticity shine through.

Or they go, I can't stand him. Nobody has like, oh, I really like him. I've never met anybody. Everybody hates him. And when you're in a position like that, you have to change the captain at the top, unfortunately. Yeah, so they are destroying our country, and all they care about is trying to save their own skin. So these political parlour games have seen the Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham now becoming the main rival to Red Angela Rainer. And today, he just admitted that he does want the top job. You can end the speculation today if you said, I don't want to be Prime Minister, but that's...

You choose not to do that. I mean, I'm not putting my name in those. in those surveys and, you know, kind of Westminster does what it does and I get often drawn in without, you know, being involved in it all. The temptation must be there. The thing is, though, it's not

my call either. You know, I'm not an MP. I can't stand in a leadership race. It's not for me. Clive Lewis mentioned other people in Westminster, wouldn't it, to decide and, you know, whether, I want to support the government. You know, I'm here to make a success of this Labour government. And I don't

know if people there think I have a could have a role in that in any capacity, and I mean in any capacity, when I say that, then of course, if the call came, I'm not going to, you know, just turn away from it. But I want the government to succeed. Oh, no, you don't. What a miss. What a total miss. But guess what the political class want to talk about? Guess what they want to talk about? Not the mass rape of English girls, not the collapse of this socialist government. No, they want to talk about the return of masks.

Watch. or someone you know has been hit by flu recently you're probably not surprised to hear hospitals across the country have been forced to declare critical incidents as cases saw so it's so bad it's been called the superflu and in what you could say it's a pretty unwelcome flashback to the covid pandemic days some schools are actually now locking down to try and stop the spread well brian guthrie is a head teacher at county londonderry school where more than 170 kids were off sick in one day Seriously, fuck off, you assholes. Never again. Never again are we going to go there. No way. Don't even think about it. But of course, people are already being told to stay at home. I just heard from one of my friends in Scotland who said that all in person work is now off, which is really not going to help our productivity. LBC's Ben Kentish, though, part of this loser metropolitan elite, actually blasted Kemi Badernock as stupid for saying she was traumatized by the memory of face nappies during COVID as she attacked Downing Street, encouraging people to get back into the habit of mask wearing. That LBC lunatic who we saw earlier Ian Dale replied saying, I'm buying more. This is what we're dealing with. This is what we're dealing with.

Seriously. Complete idiot. show. But I want to give the final word to Peter Blexley, who sums up in 53 seconds why it's this type of madness consigning slippery Stama to go down as the most unpopular prime minister ever. And look at Stama. He ducked the question. He absolutely ducked the question. He is such a coward of such monumental proportions that he will not speak. for Britain. And this is why there are chance at football matches

very derogatory about him. It's why people paint bridges with derogatory slogans about him. He is the most unpopular Prime Minister, I would suggest, that we have ever had because he will not stand up for Britain and the British.

He wants to appease everybody else and in his socialist manner he is leading this country down with what they call social mobility to make us all as skint as one another and destroy everything, whether it be the Christian faith or Victoria Sponge. Now, the superstar panel.

Emma Kenny and Father Calvin Ronson with me. Father Calvin, I mean, I've only slightly calmed down from this crime being revealed yesterday. I was sickened by the fact that for so long the deep state, the judiciary had been able to cover it all up. And the mainstream media was just describing these animals, these Afghan illegals, as two boys from Leamington. But it feels like Father Calvin, something has changed in the way that we are looking at these crimes now. And it doesn't matter in a way that it's being ignored by the mainstream media, that it's being ignored by

Gary Lineke because the British population are saying enough. Yeah, but what's going to happen with that? What are they going to do? I didn't know. Firstly, I didn't know there was a Lemington in Afghanistan, which is shocking to me. They're clearly not boys from Leamington. But, I mean, if they are found guilty of raping this young girl, they should be hanged and or deported. Those are the only two acceptable options. But nothing will happen because our judiciary is corrupt. Our establishment is corrupt. Doesn't matter how unhappy the British public get. Nothing is going to be done about it. We're going to continue to have our young girls groomed and raped and abused continuously until people are willing to take action.

I mean, Emma Kenny, you're obviously someone who has campaigned against sex abuse and all of its forms for so many years. But this case, the details were just horrified. Like, obviously every sex abuse case is horrifying, right? But I think it struck at something that we're all feeling a fear of our girls going out. But then also the fear of what's happening to our society, Emma, in that, There were other women who were in the vicinity and did not stop to help. And I've seen a lot of women criticize these people, Emma, but weirdly, I understand it because what do we tell our young girls and our women, if you're near trouble, run, get away, because

we don't want our moms and our sisters being stabbed to death either. So unfortunately, I think this is a crime which has almost summed up lots of assets. speaks in terms of the downfall of our society? Yeah, I mean, you've got the bystander interaction situation playing out where people just don't want to get involved. They think somebody else will do. You've also got a lot of the norms that are being created in society where you're not allowed to offend anyone and that we can't be nasty to anybody who's come potentially

from another country. And so you've got that bias playing out when people are thinking, well, can I intervene? Should I intervene? That's a big weight right now that's in our society. You say anything against illegal crossings. You say anything about people coming over and committing 20 times more sexual offences than somebody who, for example, is white or black British. That is something that is going to get your head cut off, basically, on social media. So the reality is that people are feeling oppressed with their views.

And Calvin's right. The problem you've got there is there is so much of an entrenched belief system now within our society that you are absolutely offending the world around you if you dare to speak out about these things. that it's playing into this system where kids can get raped and nobody just anything about it. And I was working with kids from the original grooming gangs. You know, we're going back a very long time now. We're going back two decades. And the truth is, I still have contact with some of them. And the impact from being ignored, the impact from being made to feel that they were the problem,

they were the ones who created it because they dared to hang out in that situation or they came from a vulnerable home. They were the problem. It's victim blaming. That was very much embedded and entrenched them. And we're dealing with the same particular minority groups that are causing these issues now. And when you think about, particularly from Afghanistan, for example, we've got the actual male patriarchy existing there, the Taliban in charge, women are second class citizens. So why are we surprised that when people come here, they just see any white girl in particular, although this is affected to seek girls heavily as well.

We actually see that they just see them as right for the picking and no one's going to help. Because you know what, that's what 20 years of history, his daughters. Nobody did. And look at that man in that video in The Digest who actually argues to those British women. No, my Islamic faith bypasses your British laws. That is actually what they believe. Father Calvin Robinson, I really think Tommy Robinson was right to call out Linneka today. I describe it as the Linneker elite class. I mean, Calvin, we. heard from him on a daily basis when it came to Gaza, okay, and the human rights atrocities that he claimed to are going on in Gaza. It was constant. It was consistent. We never, ever hear

him stand up for white English girls being raped on an industrial scale, Father Calvin, presumably because it doesn't fit his political ideology. Yeah, I mean, the woke religion has a certain and set of values. And one of those values is diversity, inclusion and equality. And so they're never going to speak out against anything that undermines that. And speaking out against screaming gangs or against illegal immigrants raping British girls does undermine that because it proves the point that diversity is not our strength. It actually weakens us and hurts us quite literally. But the problem is, I don't know why the right keeps doing this, pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. The left do not care about their hypocrisy. They have their belief structure and they don't

care that we don't share it. We care about what's good versus what's evil. They care about what makes them look good versus what makes them look bad. That's it. We can point all day and say Gary Nicky, you don't talk about this, that. He doesn't care. Emmy, you agree? Yeah, I think it's really sad, but it's really true. I think that some people see themselves as politically superior in their perspective and anything that infringes on that reality, i.e. common sense, logic, facts, isn't going to get heard. So I'm afraid it is now just about people who are central to right, fighting really hard to refuse for this to carry on.

And until that happens, until we loudly revolt against this system and actually do something practical about this, I think the chances are this is going to continue and become more entrenched and more problematic because we're seeing that day in and day out. And in Bolton, not far away from where I was brought up at the weekend, another man's been arrested for the rape of two teenage girls. similar situation. Haven't been found guilty yet, but strong likelihood they will be. And this is a day-in-day-out situation now. And the problem that I've got is that we've done so much damage in making people feel that you can't call this out. We've done so much damage saying that

you're racist. If you, for example, say, well, I don't actually want people illegally coming over and actually from cultures that are not the same as the Western culture that they need to become part of and they're not willing to become part of, that is deeply problematic because it means that you've created this silence of so many who are festering with that feeling, but not knowing where to go with it. And until we have strong leadership who can take us to that place, Calvin's right. They don't care. And nothing's going to change. What the elite class do care about is trying to prove that Nigel Farage is some sort of anti-Semitic, degenerate who should have absolutely no role in public life. And they're not

giving up on their mission. And so in a desperate bit to slander the Reform UK leader, they are now claiming that he is homophobic because of a joke that he made at a wedding, which is going viral. So this is a leaked video of him delivering a best man's speech at his brother's wedding, back in 2021, where he makes a joke using the word fag. Watch. Because I'd like to begin with a comment on the housekeeping. Now, as far as the smokers here are concerned, it's been the good news, bad news story. Because the bad news was, we weren't allowed to smoke until the coffee was served. But the good news, folks, for those of you the smokers, is we were far better off here

than if we'd been at Michael Barrymore's house. Because there, they removed all the ashtrays on the basis, but now they chuck all the fags in the pool. Now, look, it's 2001. You remember what had just happened. The 31-year-old Stuart Lubbock had been found dead. in Michael Barrymore's swimming pool after an all-night party. And guess what?

As a gay man, I find that funny. It's funny. It's actually shock horror, the type of joke that I would make myself, Emma Kenny. Yet the lefties believe this is the way to silence Farage. You know, first let's talk about what he did at school 49 years ago. Now let's dig up a so-called anti-gay joke that he made in 2001. one. Farage isn't anti-gay, by the way. He doesn't give a damn about your sexuality. It's just not something he cares about. I mean, I think the beauty of people like Ricky Javis, for example,

is that he makes it clear that you should be allowed to be offensive. You should be allowed to make jokes. And the reality is because most adults, most children can deal with the fact that off is about making your laugh. It's not about personally indicting it against anyone's sexuality belief system and so on and so forth. My son actually heard about this. He's 23. eldest boy and he said to me, my God, mum, I'm glad that they haven't got any jokes of mine from school and from my friends as well because at the end of the day, boys and girls, they have fun when they're younger, the same when you're young women and young men, you stick with your mates, you have a laugh, you say things sometimes that other people would find highly offensive,

but you know your context, you know your audience, you know your friendship group. It doesn't mean you hate anyone, I dislike anyone. It just means you like making people laugh. And you know what? Being a bit offensive and comedic makes people laugh. And in a world where, my goodness, we do need more laughter, that should be part and parts of our society. And I think it's important that people like you, who come from the gay community, actually acknowledge that you have a backbone and capacity to be able to be laughed at and laughed with. I'm the same as a woman. Believe me, I grew up with a lot of jokes about women not being able to drive. Did it stop me driving or bother me? No, because I have a backbone where humor is concerned. And I think we've

lost that massively in the UK. And this is 2001. This was 300 years ago on the woke nonsense time frame. a millennia away from what life used to be. So you cannot judge him from his past in his present anyway. I know, but it actually makes me want to go back there, Father Calvin Robinson. It wants me desperately to go back to that pre-woke error. We're making a double entendre actually was something that would get you a few like little nods and winks. That was funny for us.

I mean, you saw Rod Stewart. He seemed to be there at the wedding, laughing along. I mean, did you see any problem with that? joke? Do you think it's at all relevant now? I thought it was hilarious. In fact, that's of Nigel Farage that I could probably vote for. And the Nigel Farage was he today, I could not vote for. I like a guy that can just tell a joke, not care if someone finds it offensive. It's part of how we heal through things. And don't forget, at the time that he made that joke, the situation had just happened. So it was a tense situation. And that's how you break the ice. And that's how

you kind of bring about a bit of normality. It's good for the human soul to laugh at dark situation. It's a very British thing as well. So I appreciate someone who can do that. But then the Nigel Farage of today is too concerned about being politically correct and being liked by the media and not saying anything offensive and all of that. Like if he ditched all of that and started saying, yeah, yeah, in Barrymore's House, they've got rid of all the ashtrays because they throw the facts in the pool. Like, yes, that's the fraud we want to see, actually.

Someone who could be real and actually have a sense of humor and not be too concerned about image. Yeah, well, I'm a bit disappointed because I thought Kenny Badenock, actually been doing well over the last couple of weeks. But today she sat down for an interview with Jeremy Kyle and said that Farage should apologize over these claims of racism. Now, Basil the Great disagrees. He says it's amazing that people only want apologies for these things now that he's sitting first in the polls 50 years later. Never apologize to the mob. And that final line is something actually that I now sign up for. Never apologize to the mob. It never ever works. Yes, you did. You did. Well, I gave my apology to the mob, didn't I? And it didn't save me. It never does. People force you into it. It makes them feel good. It makes them feel superior because they've had power over you and they put you in a position of submission. But they don't forgive you. They don't believe in forgiveness. They actually then use it as, oh, he apologized. He's really done something wrong. But let me just show you what Kemi Badenok has said about this.

I've worked with Nigel Farage. There's been lots of allegations about him in the last few weeks. Some would say the establishment are coming for him. Do you fundamentally believe that Nigel Farage is a racist, can we better not? Well, he's never said anything racist to me, but a lot of people are coming out saying he did say those things. He should just apologise. If he just said, you know, I was a kid, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. It was wrong.

People shouldn't speak like that. This would all have gone away. And that's the problem. It's not that he's racist, that he doesn't care. I think as a serious politician, if you want to run the country, you should care about how the words you say impact people. Doesn't mean that you shouldn't say anything. Sticking up for Nigel for us, because I'm happy to be here with you.

But do we get to a point where I'm going to say, again, I'm 60? I can't bloody remember what I had for breakfast yesterday, let alone what I said 45 years ago. Interesting is it's not one or two people. They've got 20 people. So it's a lot of people. Whether he remembers or not, he didn't deny it. He said, well, actually he wasn't trying to hurt people.

Nigel's a big boy. You should just stand up. put on his big boy pants and just say, do you know what? I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. The fact that he doesn't want to do that is a bit strange to me. That's what I would have done. Psychologically, does it show a weakness if Nigel Farage apologises? Is it the right thing to do? Because he has come close to sort of acknowledging in a couple of his public statements that maybe some of the things that he did at school were a little bit boorish. Maybe he regretted it. But I think because he realizes there is this political witch hunt,

he hasn't quite gone in and said, look, I was wrong and apologised. Like psychologically, where do you think this leaves him? I mean, in life, I think it's good to take responsibility and accountability, of course, when you feel you've done something wrong, but intent is always a thing that matters. I don't think that he intended to harm anyone,

intended to cause any disrespect to anyone. No, he's stressed that. He's always said no racist and him. And if he's going to do that, well, I want every single person, who's ever told an English, Irish and Scotsman joke to come out and apologise whole heart to the Irish because let me tell you, when I grew up,

that was just the norm, right? You don't hear loads of Irish people coming out and saying when I was at school, this particular joke made me feel sad because people understand that intent is what matters. The truth is, I don't think you should apologise because, first of all, it's not clear that he absolutely said these things.

When it comes down to that particular video, he was saying it as a joke. He wasn't saying, I believe that gay people are lesser beings, of course he doesn't believe that. That would be a ludicrous suggestion. And if he does apologize, what is the apologising for, a cultural land state that was completely different 25 years ago? Well, we're all in trouble because every single one of us, 25 years ago, would speak more openly about the way that we feel because we hadn't been crushed by the new norm, which is basically to steal your sense of humour, to oppress your own thoughts, and to make yourself

censor everything you do before you dare to have a conversation with the human being. that's where we've arrived. I don't really think anyone should want to apologize for who they used to be before all of this craziness hit our shores and hits ourselves, you know? No, very true. I think that's very true.

And personally, my advice to Nigel is do not apologize because they're trying to coax you into that. They're trying to give you a sort of false sense of security. Oh, it'll just be over, Nigel. If you apologize, we'll accept your apology and move on. No, they won't. No, they won't.

you'll apologize and they'll immediately jump on you and say, oh my goodness, what else can we get you to apologize for? Breaking today, Jerry McCann is back. Signing a letter alongside Caroline Flack's mother, Christine Flack, and other high-profile victims of abuses by the British press, challenging the fact that Slippery Stama and his Labor government promised to launch Levison 2 and then in a stitch-up with Rupert Murdoch dropped that plan. Now, as you'll know, the McCann's very much split public opinion.

And people and I understand this feel incredibly strongly on both sides of the argument. So I will show you both sides today. First, this is what Jerry McCann has said in a brand new interview with the British Bashing Corporation, the first time that he has spoken publicly about the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeline McCann after, and we do always have to remember this. Jerry and Kate left her at home on her own with the young twins to go for a dinner at a tapas restaurant. This is what he said about it to the BBC. Headlines and the hounding and the abuses damage people's lives.

people kill themselves because of what's happened to them people lose their livelihoods, relationships are irrevocably damaged there's damage in many, many fronts. What toll has it taken on you and your family? It took a huge toll and obviously we had sustained interest and misleading headlines for 15 months or more that forced us to take legal action to stop it

but no one wants to go to court you don't want these things happening we're fortunate we survived and I do mean that we survived we are lucky we survived we had tremendous support but I can promise you there were times

where I felt like I was drowning and it was the media primarily not the situation we were in being declared der Guido we knew the legal process it was what was happening and the way things were being portrayed, where you were being suffocated and buried, and it felt like there wasn't a way out.

But Katie Hopkins, you'll know, has been a long-time critic of the McCanns. She says when she was working for Rupert Murdoch's son newspaper, she was actually banned from publishing anything about them. She has not accepted his public positioning in this new letter, which I'll come to shortly today. Watch what she's had to say. In other news, Jerry McCann, father of Maddie McCann, the missing girl, he says that press intrusion ruined his family's life and wants the Leverson inquiry phase two to be reinstated.

He said that Papps and photographers leaning in on the car windows traumatised his two-year-olds. I mean, I don't know, Jerry, but I would have thought for any of your children that being left alone in the dark, in a foreign country while you bugger off out for tapas with your poshious. mates would be equally traumatising. But then who am I to say? And Murdoch always told me I was not allowed to talk about you. So here is the hacked-off letter that Kate and Jerry McCann have signed alongside other individuals who have been victims of press intrusion, including Christine Flack, the mother of Caroline Flack and Chris Hune. They write, we are individuals who have experienced phone hacking and other press abuses firsthand. 13 years after the level,

Jefferson report was published, its recommendations have been ignored. There has been no accountability and the public remains unprotected. No individual or family should have to suffer the kinds of distress and trauma that we have endured. Yet every day, more people are affected by the unethical and sometimes illegal behavior of an industry which remains above the law. In line with your own and the culture sectaries past statements about the importance of listening to victims, we ask that you make the time to hear in person, our experiences and our views on state of media accountability today. Despite the industry's history of illegality, corruption and misconduct, the same publishers remain members of Ipso, a body they control. As Leveson warned,

the press continued to mark their own homework. These publishers insist that everything has changed since Leveson published his report. We can testify that it hasn't. Worse, many of these publishers have shown no genuine regret, no sincere engagement with Parliament or the public, and no good faith effort to implement Leverson's recommendations. Instead, they have lobbied, delayed, and used their influence to shield themselves from scrutiny. Meanwhile, we, the victims, continue to seek justice and genuine change. This is not an attack on journalism. It is a defence of ethical and professional standards in journalism, the kind that holds power to account,

not the kind that abuses it with impunity. We understand from our previous meeting with the Culture Secretary that there is a standing request to meet with you, which has been made on our behalf. We reiterate that request today and hope you will agree. We understand that you recently had time to meet News Corporation Chairman Lachlan Murdoch. We hope you will now meet with some of the British citizens whose lives have been upended by the illegal practices and abuses associated with his company. Now, let me bring in my superstar paneler McKinney and Father Calvin Robinson. My position on this is quite interesting maybe to you and also nuanced because I obviously had a long history in tabloid newspapers, worked for the,

Murdox for over a decade and actually gave evidence to the Leveson Inquiry. However, I am also disgusted by the illegality that went on within those companies. And you can go back and you can read my witness statement to the Leveson Inquiry. I never hacked a phone. I never used a private investigator. I never did anything illegal in my journalistic pursuit. And I do believe that was discussed. And I think it should have been dealt with by the law. I have an issue, however, with the idea of regulation, because regulation does censor journalism. Of course it does. But Father Calvin Robinson, can we start with the McCanns themselves? Because I do appreciate that this is a story that divides a lot of people.

I mean, I'm already looking in our live chat, Father Calvin, and there are a lot of people who think that Kate and Jerry should have gone to jail for neglect of their child, for leaving Madeline in that apartment. and, of course, many believe that they were involved in some way, something that, of course, they have always denied. But Father Calvin, what they did in those early days after Madeline McCann's investigation was use the media, constantly, consistently. They appeared in the media.

They wrote books. They gave interviews. They raised money. And they did it all because they wanted Madeline McCann to become the most famous missing person in the world. She did in an attempt to try and see. her discovered, found. That obviously never happened, and they look back with some regret. But do you agree with Katie Hopkins, or do you agree with Jerry McCann here? I think somewhere in the middle. I think, you know, no one's perfect and no parents are perfect,

certainly. And so were they wrong in leaving their young children alone to go for dinner? Of course they were. Is it the worst thing in the world? No, but it did turn out to be the worst thing in the world. The consequences of that action, unfortunately. But are they entirely to blame? Of course not. It's the disgusting person who ever took the baby in the first, or the child Madeline in the first place. But yes, of course, as a parent, you'd want to use the media as best you possibly could to find your daughter if she's been abducted. Of course you would. But that does it mean you're giving them free reign to take over your life? And I can absolutely see how horrible it must have been for them the constant barragement of media attention, especially

from the tabloid media. No one deserves that. And these, let's not forget, they were never proven guilty of anything. And so they committed no crime. They weren't the bad guys in this situation. I mean, people can speculate if they want, but the facts that we have in front of us are that they weren't the bad guys. So they didn't deserve the amount of negative attention that they got. That must have an impact on the rest of their family. Emma, Kenny, where do you stand on this? And is Katie Hopkins right to criticise the McCanns? I think Katie's got a right to her opinions.

I disagree. I think that Calvin and me are aligned in our viewpoint. And I know that people get angry with me, because I obviously run a crime channel. I'm very hard on abusers and killers. But when it comes down to this, I know that the reason I believe that they're innocent is because they went out of their way.

As you said, to keep her name in the press all these years at a detriment to their own psychological well-being because they've been convicted in the public square of being parents who are neglectful, of being accused of killing their own daughter. So to actually have to travel that path is something that I would never have chose to travel. It is a horrific situation to find themselves in.

Their regret must be enormous. They paid the ultimate price. They paid the future with their child as their prize. And I think that that balance that Calvin brought in then about, yes, the press need to be able to investigate and absolutely the press need to be able to tell the stories. and that can be really helpful. But there has to be integrity.

There have to be authenticity and honesty. Otherwise, we're talking about practices that are so bad that they can, as you know, personally, cause people to take their own lives. Well, I'm seeing it with people close to me right now. I'm not going to name him, but I'm sure a lot of people could guess someone right now who I think could end up doing that. And it is because of absolute abuses from the. press. So I'm not someone that is just going to stick up and defend the media at all times. I'm not

going to do that, even though I do have a long history working in the mainstream media. And I mean, Emma, it's interesting, isn't it? Because I know you felt so strongly about the death of Caroline Flack, as did I. And Christine Flack is one of the signatories to this letter. And I watched the Disney Plus documentary that she made recently. And I copped a lot of unfair flag. at the time because I was working at the sun, but what people didn't realize is that actually I had a close relationship with Caroline and I was on holiday when they published that truly despicable front page picture, which Christine Flack now says, potentially contributed to Caroline's death. But again, it's complicated, isn't it? It's a complicated one because

Caroline actually had a lot of really strong relationships with people. me, I mean, even in the days before she died, we were still in a lot of communication, and she was talking to me about the fact that she was desperate to give an interview, actually, to me, so that she could put her side of the story. And of course, Emma, her legal team had told her not to do that. And I just think back, thinking, God, she should have just done it. She should have just, do you know what I mean? She should have just done it because she's dead. You know, there was nothing to lose, given she lost her life. Absolutely. I mean, ironically, I just lost my own.

own father before this to suicide was really triggered and me and you kind of got connected because I was annoyed with you and put a tweet out that I did withdraw when you got in contact with me because I felt like right I've got somebody to blame for some of this and that kind of created a really nice allegiance and alliance between us but nonetheless began because of that story I still feel absolutely enraged by the way that she was treated it's not just her there are so many examples of this because you have no idea the impact of going from being popular and being a sweetheart of the press to suddenly being this absolute pariah and being worried about your entire life just crumbling in front of your eyes to have things taken from you without the full

story and full picture being actually told to the point where you think that you're going to end up potentially in prison i cannot even begin to conceive of how that girl because she felt like a girl even though she was 14 she felt like a girl you know we got used to her throughout those ages growing up. And she was suddenly destabilized on every single level and every single sense. And of course, at the end of the day, she would have taken advice of people who were meant to give her the right advice. But the truth is, sometimes I think, still even today, we deny our own intuition and our own instinct. And we listen to those around us who are more concerned about keeping their own positions and their own livelihood than they are about helping us with ours.

So it's a really powerful lesson there. And I think that it's great that they've got together to have that conversation. I do think more needs to be done about this. And I still feel really sorry for you because to carry the trauma of feeling like you could have done something to protect her and to prevent that outcome, I think that's such a burden, even though you're not responsible. It's something you must spend a lot of time thinking about because maybe that would have made it difference and you were never given the chance to. Yeah, no, it was absolutely horrible. And then her ex-fiance who actually features in the documentary, not in a positive way,

I'm glad some of the truth about him has emerged. And I'm not talking about her boyfriend at the end of her life, but another guy who I'm not going to name because he just wants publicity. He just wants fame at any cost. And he actually ended up going to jail for a number of threats that he had made against me. But what was actually in some ways quite positive about that is that I shared with the judge in his case, the communication. between Caroline and myself, and he was able to, in court, actually say, Dan and Caroline were friends, I've seen the communication. In some ways, that was a bit of a relief for me, because at least, you know,

that sort of lie was disproven in court. But it is terrible. And I think that is one other thing that I would say just about this whole argument about press regulation. The horse is bolted. Guys, I honestly mean that it's like the press is dying. It's dead. You know, it is social media now where these lies can be spread and where these narratives

are said. But if you try and regulate that, what you're actually doing is taking away free speech. And I think that's why this is a really fine line. And I do not believe further regulation is the answer. I really don't. Developing today, Megan Markle's growing row with the Daily Mail over a letter that she claims to has delivered to her father in hospital, even though a report of the male, a woman called Caroline Graham, who is also friends with Thomas Markle, has been by his bedside when his daughter has refused to travel to the Philippines. Now, you remember, Thomas Michael has actually had his left leg amputated as a result of a terrible blood clot. And this has been a story which has been very difficult for Megan to, I guess, deal with, given her Christmas special, which came out on the same day, was all about family and

loving one's family and the memories of nostalgic Christmases. She hadn't spoken to her father since 2018, of course, when he sold those pictures or set up pictures with the paparazzi before her wedding to Prince Harry. But the son reported this today as Meg's Olive Branch, writing that she had sent a written letter to her stricken dad Thomas, but confirmed that she would not go and visit him in hospital. That's despite the fact Thomas has appealed to see his daughter one more time before he dies. Their royal editor Matt Wilkinson reported Megan Markle has sent a written letter to her estranged dad Thomas after he had his leg amputated during life-saving surgery. The Olive Branch letter was delivered into Thomas's hands

by reliable and trusted contacts, but the Duchess of Sussex, who has not spoken to her father since 2018, will not fly out to visit him in hospital herself. And then Tom Sykes of the Royalist substack has a spokesperson quote from the Duchess that attacks directly the Daily Mail and its reporter, and it's reported Caroline Graham. They say, given that a Daily Mail reporter has remained at her father's bedside throughout, broadcasting each interaction and breaching clear ethical boundaries, it has been exceedingly difficult for the Duchess to contact her father privately, despite her efforts over the past several days. With the support of reliable and trusted context, her correspondence is now safely in his hands. But Tom Sykes added, somehow we feel her letter may not remain private for long. I do feel there's a real irony with the story, though, which Megan is now choosing to play out publicly, while at the same time sending these emails punting her Christmas products.

I received this one overnight, a guide to thoughtful gifting. Megan says, finding the right gift for that special someone should spark a little joy, maybe even whimsy. Oh, we're fans of the word. Each of our gift boxes was thoughtfully curated to make gifting easier, more personal and who are worthy. Whether you're thanking a teacher, surprising a friend, or treating someone who makes your life sweeter, these gift-ready boxes, bring beauty to the recipient and ease for you. But it's very difficult to view Megan as some type of healer and gift giver given her treatment of her. father. And remember, she used to have a very close relationship with this man before she met

Prince Harry. He raised her throughout her teenagers. And this is what she said on stage about him, having become a star of the TV show suit. We need more men like that. Just as we need more men like my father who championed my 11-year-old self to stand up for. for what is right. So let me bring my superstar panel in on this. Father Calvin Robinson is the co-host of Reclaim the Media's Fox and Father. Emma Kenny is a psychologist and the presenter of Emma Kenny True Crime on YouTube. So Father Calvin, I've actually heard from Markle family sources today who say they don't even know for sure that this letter has been delivered to Thomas.

It apparently seems like Megan used U.S. government. agents from the embassy in the Philippines to travel to Kibo to the hospital in order to deliver this note. Of course, she could have picked up the phone, Father Calvin. She didn't need to brief the media at all. That's what got her into this mess in the first place because on Friday she'd said she'd reached out to her father when indeed it appeared that she'd sent an email to an account that had been dormant for five years. Her team, Calvin, had previously briefed me that her father was dead to her. So it feels like she's been forced into this because of the negative publicity and she doesn't really want to have this communication. She doesn't really want to see him

because she could literally pick up the phone if that's what she chose to do. Maybe she doesn't really want to, but I think her actually doing it is the good thing. If she is reaching out to her father at the end of his life, that's the good thing. I think we should celebrate and support that. She doesn't seem like a particularly good person. So she does seem to need encouragement to do good things, I think, rather than criticizing her for actually taking some initiative finally, we should be like, you know, well done. What about what she's saying about this Daily Mail reporter, Father Calvin? Because I think it's a little bit unfair on Caroline Graham. I mean, look, I'm a journalist, right? And I used

to work for tabloid newspapers. But during my time in journalism, I would sometimes form genuine friendships with the people who I was writing about. And in some ways, if you are a subject of press intrusion, it is important to have someone that you can trust to deliver the message that you want to the world. And over the past few years, this relationship that has developed between Caroline Graham and Thomas Michael is a genuine friendship. When he was going to hospital to have his leg amputated, he text messages to her and said, please come. And she has written a piece for the mail suggesting that she views him as a father figure. So is it fair for Megan to sort of say, oh, this is really ethically dodgy for the Daily Mail to have a reporter in my father's

hospital room if indeed this is a true friendship? The lines are blurred, aren't they? It's very difficult and obviously personal relationships come into it. But the professional relationship is that she's a journalist and he is a story, potential story. So Megan does have... So he's one of the biggest stories in the world right now and she is getting a lot of, you know, copy out of him. Right. So Megan does have a leg to stand on with this in that it's fair for her to say she feels it's inappropriate

for a journalist to be there in her father's hospital room and such. But from Thomas Markle's perspective, if he has formed a genuine friendship and he feels that she is a friend and not just leaching off him, which some journalists will pretend to be a friend in order to get stories. True. But if it is a genuine friendship, then fair play to him. But without Megan and Thomas actually having a genuine conversation and genuine relationship themselves, it's hard for them to see each other's perspective. So that's the thing we should all be praying for.

That daughter and father can be reunited and that bond can be rekindled and they can come back together and that can be a good thing. I mean, look, all I will say is that I think there is real hypocrisy on the part of Megan Markle criticizing her father for having a relationship with a journalist who he might make some money off at times. I mean, I don't know that. A lot of times actually he said that the mail has never paid him, right? He just wants his message across. But remember, Megan Markle took big time deals with Netflix to do the dirty on her own family, to tell all on her father, to tell all on her sister. Harry took all of that money to write spare. But Emma Kenny, you're obviously one of Britain's top psychologists. And I want to talk to you about this

from a psychological perspective. Because, of course, there will be a lot of people watching, like me, who have such a close relationship with their own dad and can just never imagine this. Like, I could just never imagine something happening to my dad, my dad being alive and me checking with the hospital to see if he was telling a lie and briefing the media about what I was going to do

rather than literally just getting on a plane and being there by my dad's side. However, I do know that there are a lot of people who have much more complex family relationships, and some do make a decision, like the decision that Megan Markle made back all of those years ago. And by the way, I know that she made that decision because her courtiers told me directly when I was reporting on her at the time, told me directly her relationship with her father is over for good in her eyes. He is now dead to her. And this is a growing trend. I mean, we've even seen Oprah Winfrey host quite a bizarre show recently

with a whole load of people who are very proud about ghosting their own family members. Now, look, I'm a family guy. I find that so difficult, right? I find that really, really difficult. But do you have sympathy for Megan in this occasion? I have sympathy with anybody who feels like there's a massive breach of trust in the family. And that's caused such a fracture that the... way back feels almost impossible. Equally, though, I'm a big believer in forgiveness and acceptance,

and that's not to say that there are always roads back. For example, if you've been abused by someone in your family, if you've dealt with toxicity constantly where you've been instantly dealt with the slings and arrows constantly being affected and impacted, yeah, I get why you breach that relationship, you let it go. And I think that's really positive. But for the most part, it's just about a culmination of feelings and fear and anxiety and anger and rage that all come to the surface to a point where you think, I just want people to say that I'm right. And if I'm not right, then I'm not going to do this anymore. And actually, it's when you let that go. It's when you say to yourself, like, what do I want to achieve it? So he's going to die.

He's older. So certainly his time on this earth is going to be minor compared to what it used to be. She's lost many years of that. I guess this moment of coming to a sense where she thinks, yeah, I am actually dealing now with his final days, the winter of his life. And the fact that she's reaching out and extending that olive branch, that's really important. And no matter what people think about Meg and Markle, I would not want to trade places with someone like that. I would not want her life for a second. It doesn't matter how rich they are. I think it's so complex. It's gone from being something that was relatively simple, challenging, being a celebrity, but relatively simple, to now just being interwoven with everybody's different opinion of her, some good, some bad,

some not bothered. But for the most part right now, it's about her trusting that what she says to her father isn't going to be put before my eyes in your eyes before they have a chance to actually do something important, which is to figure out what next, whether that's not connecting again or whether it's starting to build that bridge, as Calvin said. That's what's key. And I would hate it if there was a journalist sat by my dad's bed actually deciding what's going to happen next, because that worries me, just as a human being hearing it, let alone being Megan Merkel and thinking, what next if I send this or if this person gets hold of this information, that is going to disturb anyone with the brain cell.

But what about the fact that at the moment she's still selling all of these Christmas products? She's got her Netflix television special where she's talking all about how nostalgic Christmas is and how it's all about family. That feels pretty hard to square with her public posture on her own dad. I suppose you've just got the professional versus the personal, haven't you? And I think that when you've got so used to putting a mask on, and most of us have done it, when we've worked in TV and when we've worked in the media as you have and Calvin has,

you get used to just putting your mask on, what am I selling, how am I making my cash, how am I getting the money in for the kids? That versus how do I actually feel? You rarely see how somebody feels when they're on TV. You don't know what kind of crisis is going on behind their eyes. You just see them performing, because it is performative, that's the reality. You don't know what's happening right now that's going on behind me. You don't know because I'm not telling you.

And that's the same for everybody's stories, some good, some bad. Yeah, and I think that applies for Thomas Markle too. And one of the reasons, by the way, that I think Caroline Graham, the Daily Mail journalist, is there is because remember Thomas Michael lost his voice effectively. He lost his ability to speak in a stroke a couple of years ago. And this was a stroke that nearly took his life and Megan never contacted him there. And it was actually Hans, one of the very good royal, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, social media posters on X, who tracked down my 2021 interview with Thomas. This is just before

his stroke. And she said it really highlights how everything he warned about has unfolded exactly as he predicted. She added, as a concerned father, he wasn't attacking. He was trying to caution them, even Harry, about the path they were choosing. And I think because Thomas has lost his voice in recent years. It is worth just taking a look at what he told me back in 2021. Did you know that Megan had briefed Jason Canalf to include information in that book, despite denials from both her and Scobie, that they were in cahoots together? I was sure that she had a lot to do with that book, that it wasn't just Jason Scooby or Scobie.

Actually, I prefer calling him Scooby. Let's go with that. I hope that God he's not writing the book for Harry. I'm worried that Harry is going to harm his family. You have to understand the way I feel right now is that Harry and Megan have harmed so many people. people and so many. They've harmed the entire royal family. They've harmed my family. They've harmed Doria's family. They've harmed the English people. They've gone out of their way

to harm people. It makes no sense. The other thing is like Oprah Winfrey. They made Oprah Winfrey look like a fool. They lied to her about 13 times. Thomas, do you think there's anything sexist about the term Mexico? No, I did not. And here again, I defer to Harry's ignorance. And I mean, I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he was dropped on his head as a baby or something, but the bottom line is everything.

He comes out of his mouth is always kind of stupid. Your daughter, Thomas, is also communicating with US. with U.S. senators, introducing herself as the Duchess of Sussex and campaigning for paid parental leave. What did you make of that? Well, I think it's ridiculous for her to be doing that. And, you know, I'm certainly in favor of the paid parental leave, but I think she should be, if she's really interested in doing that, she should be out making speeches on her own. and Megan don't seem to tell the truth. Does your daughter have the capacity to lie?

Well, never quite as much as she is now or has been now. Every day there's a new lie. It's become a joke. It's turning into a joke among all the papers. Well, you know as well as I do. You see them. And that is the problem, isn't it, Emma Kenny? I don't really think the public. but trust what Megan Markle says anymore because there have been so many lies. Yeah, but I also equally in that situation, if my dad was on television doing that and having that conversation, I would really struggle, you know, just as a human being. So I'm not saying that she hasn't got her blame. She has got her blame, but he has equally.

And with respect, again, when you are having conversations that are really challenging on TV, sometimes you might say things that are not completely true because you're just trying to protect in that moment reality. You don't want the world to know about it. So you might say something. You might not be the consummate professional and tell the whole truth. I'm not trying to be over-forgiving of the mistakes that Shill have made and the Harry have made. I'm just saying that they're just entire human beings.

And I find sometimes our desire to just pull them down based on what we know is something that I try to avoid because I've just worked therapeutically with so many people who are amazing and incredible, but they're also deeply flawed. And that's what makes them as human as me, that I'm also deeply flawed. Yeah, and I guess Father Calvin, Thomas Markle, saying that Harry may have been dropped on his head as a baby. Certainly, certainly a bit of an FU to his son-in-law, but I guess you could have argued at that point, Father Calvin, he had to put up with Megan and Harry trashing him on international TV on Netflix. Yeah, I agree with everything that Emma just said. I think she put it very, very well. because we are all fallen. We're all sinners. None of us are perfect.

And the thing I've disliked about all of this is the back and forth of it. I just wish they'd sit down. Their family. Totally. Totally. I don't think Thomas has ever had a proper conversation with Harry. No.

They have never met. They have never met. It's so sad. But I actually do think that is down to Harry. I do. I mean, this is a guy who was in a little village in Mexico. Harry should have gone. He should have asked for his permission.

And then probably none of this would have happened. But I'm not going to be a hypocrite. I mean, I've always said that I think Megan should be in touch with her father. So if she actually is in genuine contact with her, I will give her credit for that. Just like I remember the two days before the late Queen Elizabeth II had died, and Harry was in the United Kingdom and refused to go and see her at Balmoral. And I remember being on GV News that night and saying, just go, just go and see her. Just go and see her.

I was going on a show that night, I remember. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, so it, look, it is a messy situation, but I think Thomas Markle is a good man. That's my fundamental here. He is a good man because I think back to what he did for Megan as a child, the way that she praised him so wholesomely when she was in her pre-Hary existence. You know, he paid for everything. He took her to everything. He put her through university.

He was a solo dad when Doria Raglan wasn't there for her teenage years. I think, and I've got to know him a little bit, I've got to know the family a little bit, the Michael family a little bit, and some people find them a bit brash, but I love that. I love that about them. I think Megan probably found them a little bit too brash. But actually, to me, fundamentally he's a good man. He's just lost his leg. He has one final wish in life, which is to reconcile with his daughter and meet his grandchildren. I think we can at least end on a note of agreement that she should allow him that. She shall allow him that. But look, fascinating discussion. Really, really good to have it.

Emma Kenny is, of course, one of the country's top psychologists and also the host of the brilliant Emma Kenny True Crime Must Watch Channel on YouTube. And Father Calvin Robinson, of course, hosts Fox and Father alongside Lawrence Fox on Reclaim the Media. Thank you both so much. And thank you for your super chats today, by the way. Emma will like this. Alex Marminson. Emma is surely too young to have a 23-year-old son, but the crazy thing is Emma also has two very, very young children as well. So, yeah, she is far too young to have a 23-year-old.

And Alex says, remember during 2020 and 2021, Starmole was pushing for harder, more draconian and longer lockdown measures. No surprise that he's pushing for masks again. That's completely right. And Derry Durow says, well said, dad, I never followed arrows or wore a mask then, why would I now? In terms of the overall state of the United Kingdom, Aldor F.C. says Scotland, Glasgow is in trouble nowadays with many kids not speaking English for fuck's sake. Don Shaq says women in the UK should be allowed by law to carry pepper spray at the

very least. Salarian Unlimited says the aftermath of crime should be available to view wherever possible with permission if it starts riots, as the defence barrister said, then it must be truly appalling. Veracity, J6 case, his Starma will be doing a Boris, partying without a care in the world while telling us to cover up and stay home. Darren Palmer on Bonnie Blue, who has just been arrested, said, I hope Bonnie Blue don't get 15 years. I book the bang bus when it's coming to Brighton. And on another lighthearted note, on this Nigel Farage gay joke, Anna Rose Tarot, she's got her own. She says, how do you know you have been burgled by a gay? Your house is tidy and there is a keesh in the oven.

Loll, the only joke. I can remember. That is brilliant. And actually very close to the truth as well. Okay, a reminder of your union jackass nominees, Hugh Edwards. Nominated by Matt Cass, who says no doubt this scumbag is serious, a danger to children, and yet he thinks he'll be accepted back into the limelight. Zara Solana nominated by Homeheart 63 for screaming and shal shawl.

about the useful idiots who have chosen to go on a hunger strike for Palestine and the aforementioned Bonnie Blue, nominated by Eminel for being arrested in Bali for promoting her bang bus, now allegedly looking at 15 years in a harsh jail. And your results are in. And third position with just 16 percent, you must be loving Bonnie Blue. You must want her out on the streets again. The runner-up with 32% of the vote, Zara Solana. But today's Union Jackass, with 52% of your vote, it is the BBC Pido now on the comeback trail, Q. Edwards. And today's Greatest Britain, nominated by Kiera. It's Alla Minnie Hain, the Essex pink lady for her relentless hard work and commitment to protecting the women and girls of our country. And I couldn't agree more. Absolutely love Alla Minne Hain. And I'm very excited to reveal that alongside the other pink lady, Sarah White, she will be a part of our special,

live shows revealing the worst of 20, 25 at the end of the year. And by the way, I just have to show you, we had a wonderful night last night at the Trigonometry Christmas party. And I want to thank Constantine Kisson and Francis Foster, who put together just the best bunch of independent thinkers. I love Trigonometry, been on the show since it's very early days. And then it was one of the platforms that gave me a voice following my cancellation, my decision to go independent and behind the scenes. Constantine, in particular, was a huge help to me as well. But honestly, look at these incredible people that trigonometry got together last night. Kevin Spacey, the Oscar winner was there, and I managed to introduce Kevin Spacey to

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