Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON HITS BACK AT NIGEL FARAGE'S GB NEWS ATTACK IN SHOCK MESSAGE FROM PRISON

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Go to https://surfshark.com/outspoken for an extra 4 months of Surfshark at an unbeatable price! Tommy Robinson has hit back at Nigel Farage’s GB News attack from behind bars, but his response is not what you might expect. Dan will reveal Tommy’s feelings in his Digest and why there is so much frustration Nigel hasn’t used Reform UK’s historic win to try and unite a fracturing right. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Host of the groundbreaking YouTube channel If This Is True Bernie Spofforth and Ann McElhinney of Unreported Story Society, the producer of a new filmed verbatim drama Trans on Trial based on the landmark case Mermaids vs The LGB Alliance. PLUS: Desperate Tories are considering a shock Boris Johnson SOS. AND: Tucker Carlson has called for Donald Trump to provide diplomatic asylum to Russell Brand. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Piers Morgan reveals Prince William would rather “shoot himself” than reconcile with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. We’ll analyse those explosive revelations and new royal reaction from Douglas Murray and Nigel Farage with our Royal Mastermind, Prince Harry’s biographer Angela Levin. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. No spit, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is Outspoken Live episode number 220. And breaking right now, Tommy Robinson has hit back at Nigel Farage's GB News attack from behind bars. But his response to this is not what you might expect. Well, I was confident that Rupert Lowe and the alt-right Tommy Robinson supporters on X, you know, weren't much of a benefit to us. I was confident about that. I was confident it was the right thing to do.

You know, I knew it would dent us in the short term, but no more than dent us. I'll reveal Tommy's response in my digest next and why there is so much frustration that Nigel hasn't used Reform UK's historic win to try and unite a fracturing right. Then my superstar panel weigh in. Today, businesswoman, host of the groundbreaking YouTube channel If This Is True, Bernie Spofforth, and Anne McElhenney of Unreported Story Society, the producer of a new filmed verbatim drama based on the landmark case of mermaids versus the LGB alliance, Trans on Trial. We're going to be talking much more about this later as well. Also coming up on the show today, desperate Tories are considering a shock Boris Johnson SOS.

Slippery Starmer's true colours over the Pakistani rape gangs have finally been exposed. This is going to horrify you. I'll tell you what he said. And Tucker Carlson has called for Donald Trump to provide diplomatic asylum to Russell Brand. I'll explain why. Then in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Piers Morgan reveals Prince William would rather shoot himself than reconcile with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. We'll analyse those explosive revelations and have new royal reaction from Douglas Murray and Nigel Farage with our royal mastermind Prince Harry's biographer Angela Levin. You can sign up to watch on Substack www.outspoken.live is the address. Plus, of course, at the end of the show, we will reveal today's greatest Britain and Union jackass every day.

They are chosen by you, the Outspoken family. And if you're watching live right now on YouTube, you can vote for today's Union jackass in the live chat. Here are your three nominees. The aforementioned Prince Harry, nominated by Comfy14552. And because he's the most entitled loser on the planet, hard to disagree. John Swinney, nominated by Darren Donaldson. That's the Scottish First Minister for the following quote, that he wants to make sure that the decent values of Scotland, which I cherish and treasure enormously,

are the values which prevail against the alien values that Nigel Farage is peddling. And Louise Haig, nominated by It's Only Me 44 for wanting income tax, VAT and national insurance increase to fight off reform. She is, of course, the axed transport secretary now trying to push slippery Starmer even further left, even further left. Isn't it hilarious? Leave me your comments too. I'll read out the best at the end of the show. But now let's go.

Oh, do you remember those heady days, those heady days of last July where we had so much hope in the Reform UK, famous five. There they were before that ego mad. Chairman Zia Youssef decided to report Rupert Lowe to the police as the party then tacked increasingly to the centre. But today at Parliament, a big moment, a surging reform returned to their original numbers with new Runcorn and Helsby MP Sarah Poochin now part of the gang. And look, I congratulate her and I guess we're all just meant to forget, right, that she's an ex-Tory, refugees welcome, pro-trans type of gal. Let's just push that to the back of mind. And I am happy for her. I really am. But I guess that happiness might have been easier

if Nigel Farage hadn't used GB News' VE Day coverage to go nuclear. Nuclear on his employer and chairman Yusuf. But also, and this is what I had an issue with, the rest of the so-called online right led by Rupert and Ben Habib. Just a few weeks ago, Nigel, with all of the furore around Rupert Lowe, people were saying, this is it, this is going to be, this isn't just a dent in the Reform Party, this is going to destroy the Reform Party. And over the weekend, people were saying, Rupert who? It doesn't appear to have made any sort of impact, this isn't just a dent in the Reform Party, this is going to destroy the Reform Party.

And over the weekend, people were saying, Rupert who? It doesn't appear to have made any sort of impact, despite the best efforts of Andrew Pearce with his journalistic expertise. Even though I work here, I'm going to be critical of GB News. GB News covered this story obsessively, as if it was some huge story. It's all his fault. And it was never a huge story. It was one person who had increasingly been heading in a different direction. And your mate, your chairman, made it a big story by calling in the police.

Well, he did do that. Do you think that was a good idea? I've got to challenge you. I'll pass on that. There we are. I'll pass on that. It was a bizarre decision by Zia Youssef to call in the police. But, you know, it was only ever going to be one person.

And the upshot of it, what it really tells you is that X is not the real world. Correct. Twitter as it was, no? Twitter as it was is not the real world. So, yeah, you know, when you get problems in life, the best thing is to confront them. Would you have him back now in the party? I don't think so. Ben Habib, is there a way back for Ben?

Over my dead body. Well, here it would be saying you didn't deserve your victory. Did you see it? I'm sorry, you get these small, very insignificant people... Say what you think, Nigel. ..who think they're more important than they are. They're frankly nothings. There you are.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't mind people sounding off. I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I never have done. As long as there's some fundamental underlying loyalty. And that's the one thing I demand. Small, insignificant, frankly nothings. Oh, my goodness.

But look, he can't describe Tommy Robinson as a small, insignificant, frankly nothing, can he? So instead, what Nigel Farage decided to do was attack Tommy Robinson and his supporters. And remember, this is at a time that Tommy Robinson remains locked up as a political prisoner at HMP Woodhull. I would hope that's all any politician on the right would want to talk about. But instead, Nigel dismissed Tommy and his supporters as alt-right.

Now, this is a term that the Daily Telegraph actually used against me a couple of weeks ago, which is outrageous because this is a term that actually means white nationalists. Listen. Were you confident, Nigel, all the time throughout that process that it was going to go that way? Of course. Well, I was confident that Rupert Lowe and the alt-right Tommy Robinson supporters on X, you know, weren't much of a benefit to us. I was confident about that. I was confident it was the right thing to do. You know, I knew it would dent us in the short term, but no more than dent

us. But, you know, I mean, look at the image of the party now. You know, we now have two very prominent women in the party. We have... Andrea Jenkins is the image of the party now. You know, we now have two very prominent women in the party. We have... Andrea Jenkins is the mayor of Lincoln. Andrea Jenkins and Sarah Pochin. So we have two prominent women now amongst the sort of top half a dozen team in the party. We have a chairman who's a very brilliant man, Zia Youssef.

Just try calling in the police. Do you know what? When you do as much as... It's all well and... It's easy for journalists. Just sit at the back of the room... You wouldn't have done it. You wouldn't have done it.

All you lot do. All you lot do is chuck bricks. You wouldn't have done it. When you're someone at the front line doing stuff, you do 100 things, you might get one wrong. Yes. You know? So, you've got to...

And who happens to be a member of the ethnic minority? It's not that that's why he's there. I think the whole look at reform is very, very different. Yeah. Very know, so who happens to be a member of the ethnic minorities? Not that's why he's there. The whole look at reform is very, very different. Yeah. Very, very different. So, no, did we do the right thing over? No, you bet. Now, I can actually reveal that Tommy Robinson is devastated about Nigel's latest broadside, especially given his solitary predicament and the fact he endorsed Reform UK at the last election. Now, when I last saw him behind bars, this is before you had to sign an NDA or anything like that in December, he pleaded with Farage via me to stop bail-bailing him. And that remains his position today. Tommy Robinson simply cannot understand why Nigel Farage spends more time attacking him

and spreading false smears, like remember claiming on LBC he was violence against women, rather than attacking the real enemy, the hard left. Now Tommy's team also posted on this saying a new day and Nigel Farage decides to try and blacken Tommy Robinson's name on live TV. The F is this guy's problem. Rape gangs in the media again and he starts this yet again. Who's pulling the strings here? Never mistake protest votes against the failing uni party for actual confidence in leadership or policy. Boris made that mistake and it cost the conservatives dearly.

Starmer has made the same mistake. Stick to the issues people want addressing. Honour your promises made to your base. Nigel Farage, stick to that rather than perpetuating political platitudes on television to feed your ego. Our country is far more important than your self-aggrandisement or the Nigel Roadshow. Never lose sight of that. When people are forced to vote for syphilis, gonorrhea or the flu, people will vote for the flu because it's the lesser of the three contagions. Be better and do better by the British people. It's the very least you can do. A powerful message and one that I don't at all disagree with. By the way, there are other sound figures on the right too, who have been just as baffled by Nigel's decision to keep a row going

on the right, rather than try to use his historic video to bring us all together. So GB News host Nick Dixon, a colleague of Nigel Farage, remember, posted, reform achieved a great victory, but it's odd that they are now following the same diversity obsession as all the other parties, totally capitulating to the left's framing as if it's inevitable. And obviously the claim they did the right thing with Rupert Lowe is absurd. What about Harrison Pitt of the New Culture Forum, who added, Farage seems to be incapable of running counterfactuals. Reform are riding high because the uni party has never been held in such widespread contempt.

Does anyone seriously believe that they would be doing worse if they still had Rupert Lowe roaring on their behalf in the Commons and had chosen someone with the calibre of Ben Habib to stand for them and runcorn? If anything, reform would be doing better. They would have more people working in the increasingly influential digital ecosystem on site while still appearing to Telegraph readers. Most importantly, they would also be attracting more of the kind of talent they will need if they wish to avoid being total flops in government. Yeah, I love that. And I have to say what's been going on over this campaign made me long for our politicians in Britain to have the bravery of MAGA Republicans in the Trump era, because my God, we need it. So another example of this overnight.

I want you to take a look at how the administration responded to an obvious example of anti-white racism from the despicable congresswoman Ilhan Aman. more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. We should be profiling, monitoring and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men. Disgusting, but this is something that you can see happening here, right? With Keir Starmer and all of the anti-white rhetoric that he pushed using the Netflix anti-white piece of propaganda, adolescence. So completely unafraid, the vice president, the VP himself, J.D. Vance, the most senior figure fighting for free speech in the UK, by the way, posted, this isn't just sick, it's actually genocidal language. What a disgrace this person is. And I want to see that sort of bravery from Reform UK, which has its first chance when it unveils its blueprint in the next month to deport illegal immigrants. So by the way, that must include the 2 million who are already

here in the UK. But the real problem for those on the right desperate for Nigel to outline a bold Trump-style vision for saving Britain is that he literally has no competition. The desperate Tories, can you believe this, trying to bring back Boris Johnson? While Slippery Starmer himself cannot even act respectfully during a VE Day National Memorial. Just shut up, man. Shut up. That is not the moment. Queen Camilla was disgusted. As Stephen Barrett posted, how hard is it to sit still and show some respect to our fallen? So I have to say, I did love this meme.

I did love this meme. Look at that. He was probably asking the annoyed queen if she watched Adolescence on Netflix. Look, our politics is not serious or competitive at the moment. And I fear that is giving a window for Nigel Farage to continue moving to the centre ground. But to respond now, let me bring in today's superstar panel. And I am so excited to have on Outspoken for the first time, Anne Magalheny, and returning for the first time,

well, returning again, sorry, for another appearance, Bernie Spofforth of if this is true so bernie what did you make of tommy robinson saying it's almost like what uh do you remember what will smith said to chris rock at the uh oscars just before he he he punched him keep my wife's name out of your effing mouth and And I think that's how Tommy Robinson feels like, why are you attacking me? Like, what is the motivation behind this? Like, this was totally out of nowhere. You just throw in this alt-right smear on GB News. I think the problem that Nigel has got is that his hard work is mountainous in front of him because he's made some really big sweeping promises

and he has to keep some of those promises. And I just don't even know how he's going to do that. And Tommy Robinson is a really easy hit for him that he thinks because he wants to keep the media on side. He wants to stay in this central position so that he can get on the BBC, so he can get on Sky, which is bizarre to me, because if he's anything like Trump, he'll tell them he's not interested anyway, and just speak to the people who want to hear what he has to say. Tommy Robinson is a very divisive figure amongst some parts of the UK. Amongst others, he's had a lot to say that frankly has proved to be correct.

Also, it's incredibly unfair to kick a man consistently when he's in prison and in solitary confinement. I don't know if Tommy Robinson wrote that because it sounds very articulate to me, and I'm not sure if he's able to be that articulate, but somebody has written that for him. Yeah, no, definitely. That was written by his team, But the briefing that I received was via someone who has seen Tommy Robinson over the past few days and said specifically he just wants Nigel to stop slagging him off. And actually, he's in the Katie Hopkins position. Like, Tommy Robinson still actually believes that as it stands, Reform UK remains the best option for the United Kingdom. Now, why would Nigel purposefully want to goad him when that is his position? It's just weird to me. And goad his supporters, by the way, who number in the many millions.

Because he is it's almost like he's protesting too much, right? He's protesting too much. We know you don't want to be framed as alt-right, Nigel, but don't be worried about that. Nobody cares. No one knows what far-right is anymore anyway. In fact, I heard the other day that if you went to church, you were far-right. You know, it's a slur that is meaningless now.

Apparently, if you eat protein, you're now far-right. Exactly. So it's a meaningless slur that is meaningless now. Apparently if you eat protein, you're now far right. Exactly. So it's a meaningless slur. And it isn't useful to Nigel. I also agree that in order to get any kind of political revolution in this country, in order to tackle the quangos, the blob, the civil service that quite frankly run every government, then we need people to be very, very brave. And now's the time for Nigel to be brave and to say, I don't want to talk about Tommy Robinson. It's too easy to kick a man when he's down.

And I don't think he's right. I don't think he should. That's my issue. He wasn't even asked. The GB News presenters didn't even bring up Tommy Robinson. They don't talk about Tommy Robinson on GB News. They view him as too radioactive. So they don't ever try and bring him into the conversation. That's what's so interesting. It was like Nigel Farage almost offered up Tommy Robinson's head on a platter. It's like he's in solitary confinement for a piece of journalism.

He is a political prisoner. That is all you should be talking about in regards to Tommy Robinson at the moment. But look, I want to bring in Anne McElhenney, my new friend. We actually met, didn't we, Anne, just a few weeks ago for the first time on the Mark Stein Cruise, which was an incredible experience, wasn't it? Full of lots of freedom fighters. And we're going to be talking about your brilliant work at the Unreported Story Society later on in the show. But Anne, obviously, you know so much about the United Kingdom and Ireland. However, you are now based in Los Angeles. So what is it like for you looking over here, seeing what's happening compared to the bravery that you see in the MAGA movement?

And I should say, by the way, Anne is very much, I guess, part of, well, I don't know if you'd describe yourself as part of it, but you were behind the movie, My Son Hunter, in which Lawrence Fox starred as Hunter Biden and Donald Trump was a big, big supporter of. Yes. Yeah. I mean, watching what's going on in the UK, I mean, I'm just, I suppose I'm kind of tired of having my heart broken by conservatives in the UK. I mean, I was a huge I just I loved I loved Boris. Right. I was all in. And I thought, wow, we have this moment. Right. He swept the boards. He owned everything. He owned the whole thing. And what did he do with it? And I think one of the things that's interesting is I think the electorate don't understand, or politicians don't understand that those votes that they receive,

it's not a lifetime thing. They get them loaned to them and it's a loan that's conditional on doing the work and Boris was such an almighty disappointment. And I have to say this recent development with Nigel Farage, I'm really, really disappointed. But I'm getting really tired of being disappointed.

And obviously we're feeling a little bit smug over here because we have Trump who's not disappointing us at all. But he did disappoint us the first time. Don't forget that. He never built the wall, right? So we can't get too smug, but things are looking rather good at the executive orders.

No, but I think he's learned so much, hasn't he, from the first administration. And how great to see J.D. Vance having the bravery to just call out the sick congresswoman and say, you're an anti-white racist. Like this language is genocidal. And I love that bravery because it is. It absolutely is. And why should we just accept anti-white racism? And that's my problem. I sometimes feel like Nigel is still falling into the old mainstream media tropes of things you sort of have to say so that people don't accuse you of being something.

And it's like, Nigel, they're still going to accuse you of being racist. They're still going to accuse you of being far right. They're never going to accept you of being racist. They're still going to accuse you of being far right. They're never going to accept you. Yeah. Yeah, you're never going to be part... You're never getting invited to the party, Nigel, whether you like it or not. So stop trying.

Because you don't want to be at the party. That's right. And that's exactly the same with Boris. That was exactly what Boris was like. You know, there was somehow this feeling of, you know, if I'm good, if I mention a bit of DEI, you know, like Nigel talking about this to women, you know what? Shut up about that already. You know, stop with that already.

You know, and this thing of, you know, and the other guy, you know, he's from an ethnic minority. Oh, God, shut up. We're so bored of that. People are. Does he realise? Exactly. Exactly. We love Andrea Jenkins, who, by the way, is being sworn in today, right now as the Lincolnshire mayor. We love her, not because she's a woman, but because she's an incredible politician who says exactly what the public think, who isn't afraid, who takes the mainstream media on. And in the case of illegal migrants has said, we're going to house them in tents because there has to be a deterrent. Now, that's why we love her. I don't give a damn that she's a woman. And it's like Sarah Pochin.

Sorry, just just saying I'm concerned because I'm like, well, you were all pro trans and you were all pro refugees. Welcome. So like, great that you're a woman. But if your positioning isn't right, then it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's like actually it's an interesting parallel with this, you know, conclave that's happening now in the Vatican. It's so interesting how it's just started today, I think. And so basically, what's really interesting is liberals, you know, look at the landscape there and think, and they're like, well, no one's going to vote for this black guy from Africa, you know, this Cardinal Sarah. And it's like, yeah, read the room. Everyone wants Cardinal Sarah to win and become the pope.

And no one notices that he's black. No one notices that he's from Africa. Maybe it's a bit of a bonus or whatever. But really, everyone is focused on what he's saying and that he's talking about traditional values. It's so interesting. Like it's like so all these. So all these racist conservatives, the guy that they really want, their preferred candidate for the Pope, is

this black guy from Africa. And that's because of what he says, what he represents, what he's going to bring to the Catholic Church. And it's exactly the same. So Nigel Farage doing this, oh God, mentioning this stuff, it's just it's cringeworthy. My stomach just churns.

And I've had pints, by the way, I've met Nigel Farage and have many, many pints, by the way. He's a great drinker as I, you know, and I appreciate that as an Irish person, you know. We're not all alcoholics, but we, you know, but we're getting there. And I just, you know, he was great fun and all of that. But this, this is disappointing.

And as I said, I'm really tired of having my heart broken by conservatives who just, who will, who end up with this same old, same old chat. Breaking right now, the desperate Conservative Party want to bring back Boris Johnson to take on Nigel Farage. This headline in Politico this morning, come back Boris, routed Tories pine for a winning formula. They say dire local election results leave some conservatives wondering if their former leader's magic could turn things around. But I'm dubious, to say the least. I was a huge supporter of Boris Johnson. I was desperate for him to get Brexit done. And I also believe that his defenestration was completely anti-democratic. If you are elected as Prime

Minister, you should be able to serve out your term. And it was the mainstream media that finished him off, just like they did with Liz Truss, working, of course, with the British deep state and establishment. However, Boris Johnson is not where we're at now. On Nut Zero, on mass immigration, on DEI, on woke. And even the Daily Telegraph, I was really struck that even the Daily Telegraph today had turned on their former columnist, writing, Mr. Johnson will insist he was hamstrung by the pandemic and its knock-on effects, but almost one million net migrants in a year, inflexible green policy and a record tax burden could not have looked less like taking back control, let alone uniting or levelling up.

Hence another change vote five years on, with Sir Keir promising a politics that treads more lightly on people's lives. Now, Boris himself has just really laughed off the criticism about the Boris wave, which was absolutely the opposite of what we wanted implemented post-Brexit. So I'll get analysis from my superstar panel, Bernie Spofforth and Anne McElhenney, in just one moment. But first, here's Boris himself doing a very poor job of justifying why he did not put an end to mass immigration into the country. In fact, he did quite the opposite.

Watch. I'm going to let you get away with this. You say... You must. No, I'm not. You must. I refuse. I'm sorry, you must get away with this. You say... You must. No, I'm not. You must. I refuse. I'm sorry, you must.

There's a different point. You say people wanted to take back control, and now, even to this day, we have tens of thousands of people coming to this country illegally on small boats. Right, but you're... Okay, good. How is that taking back control? I'm glad you said that. Where's the control? So, Constantine, what you've conceded, which is the most important point, is that we have legal control over the people who seek to apply to Columbia. Now, I accept that there were exceptional circumstances after Covid, which led

to what looked like some big numbers, but as I say, there were exceptional reasons for that. Now, because we control the numbers coming in legally, we can offset for that. And so we can get them right, right down, do whatever we want, have zero. Right? Actually, under Keir Starmer, thanks to his brilliant policy of persecuting anybody who's got an ounce of creativity in this country, people are fleeing Britain for the first time since the 1970s. They are. I mean, it's a miracle both of you are still here, frankly, given your talent and enterprise.

He's very good. Bernie, he's got the gift of the gab. There was so much to love about Boris Johnson, and I really did love him for a very long time. And on a personal level, I still think he's a charismatic, really interesting man who was very much let down by the fact he was the wrong leader for the COVID pandemic, just like Donald Trump was. However, Bernie, it's done. It's done.

Like the idea that we can have a nut zero pro-immigration leader back at the head of the Conservatives as some sort of solution to saving the country, I think is for the birds. Absolutely, Cami Badenoch has to go. She has been a disaster. I've been advocating for some time for Robert Jenrick to become leader of the Conservatives, not because I'll necessarily ever vote for the Conservatives again. I can't imagine doing that, but because I want the Overton window to shift on these issues that matter. I don't think they can ever shift under the Tories. I just honestly do not believe they can shift under the Tories. Boris was the most fantastic orator. I, like Anne, suffer from deep disappointment very often. And Boris was a huge disappointment to me, because he's an incredibly weak man. And they got hold of him. You know, all the policies that we find coming

into government pushed down by the UN, Boris said nothing against it. Under him, he doubled down on net zero. We had more migrants under Boris than we had ever had. The lockdowns were a disgrace. Under him, he brought in vaccine passports. So he allowed other people to make him an authoritarian because I don't think that's his natural home. I think his natural home is, I don't really have much detail, but I'm quite good at making speeches and I like to meet people, which allowed all of those quangos and all of those controlling civil servants within that enormous government of ours, which is just ridiculous. He allowed them to make the decisions for him. And because he doesn't like people to not like him, he did as

he was told. The Tories are utterly buried under Boris. No one will vote for that again. I'm not even sure they'll vote for Robert Jenrick, not because he isn't saying the right things, but because he doesn't have the guts within him to fight back against people in his ear all the time telling him what to do. I was interested today about Farage in that he put out a statement saying absolutely no way our councillors are not having DEI and climate change training yet we don't want our councillors indoctrinated day one as soon as they get into post. And I thought that was really interesting because I don't know if you remember, when Boris was elected, we all went, yay. And about a week later, we were all, where's Boris gone?

Yeah, I love this actually from Nigel Farage. Reform UK councillors are being instructed to take part in DEI and climate change training. Our new elected officials will do no such thing because we believe all people should be treated equally. And I thought that was absolutely the right approach, just like I thought it was the right approach yesterday for its chairman, Zia Youssef, to say, you will only be able to fly the Union Jack or the St. George's flag outside council buildings

under Reform UK leadership. Now, the problem is, Anne, though, we know desperate people, or shall we say desperate parties, do very desperate things. And look at this polling, which has been pointed out by The Sun today. Their political editor says one to liven up Tory hand-wringing this week. One in five Reform voters would come back to the Conservatives if Boris was leading instead of Kemi or Jenk. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I don't know where they're getting those numbers from. Maybe it's true, but it's the point that I was making earlier, basically, that, you know,

you don't own these votes. They're loaned out to you and people are loaned out for a period of time and they're hoping for the best. But I just can't imagine anyone, I don't see the Boris, I don't see a future with Boris. Although, you know, there's just so few impressive looking people around.

I mean, the thing with me and Boris, I have to say, and I know I'm sure you're sick in the face thinking about the whole COVID thing, but he was a liar. People saw him be a liar. He knew, you know, he wouldn't have had a party and risked his own life if he thought what he was saying was true. Right. It's basically the same as Gavin Newsom. And so everyone saw him to be a liar, that he lied to people.

And I just don't think you get over that. I just don't see how you get over that. I don't see that. No, I don't either. I don't. I really don't. I mean, this is how Politico reported it from their sort of Westminster bubble point of view. They said a conservative shadow minister said, at the moment, things are looking

pretty grim. The trouble is reform correctly identified the problems, but failed to identify the solutions. Most thoughtful conservatives recognize the battle is to reoccupy the post Brexit ground. But the issue is, and why I think this is going to be so difficult that at this point the conservative party are not prepared to say outside of robert jenrick and suela braverman we effed up we got everything wrong we destroyed the country by supercharging tony blair's immigration policies and actually when pradipatel was running for the Conservative Party leadership, she was the first out because the fact that she was still trying to justify this level of mass immigration that the public have been saying for six decades now is destroying our country

was somehow right. And that somehow we were all missing the point and somehow we were all stupid for not realizing that she was just bringing the right people into the country watch this we talk about immigration because it's such a a key touchstone for so many viewers listeners of gb news and that's why reform their one-in-one-out policy which you can discuss that if you want to so let me just stop you there do your viewers know the context as to why people are coming here they see the overall number they understand about hong kong they understand about ukraine that's great and so they should do they understand that to come to our country to work you actually have to be sponsored you pay for your visas and you actually a lot of these people are also high-rate taxpayers

so that context matters the other point to make as well though the points-based system gives the government of the day the levers yes points-based system came in it was inevitable with the pandemic that it would take time to stabilize and balance that has happened that has happened we are seeing figures go down those figures i can tell you because it's cyclical as well they'll go even further down that's an inevitability they will go down. But then we also have to ask ourselves, again, if you don't want so many people coming to work in our country, then there's a wider discussion to be had there.

I'm very pro having a labour market strategy. So, you know, I put that challenge to the government. Put a labour market strategy together. You know, reform the apprentice levy to ensure that Britishish youngsters are being skilled and trained to work across these sectors where the demand is will also challenge labor what are they going to do on people that actually are right now accessing in-work benefits and you know need to do much more with the welfare system it's a with all respect, you had 14 years to have that conversation, Bernie.

I don't care. We don't care anymore about the labour market. Seriously, just stop. It has to stop. It all has to stop. And we have to try and make these 2 million people leave. But it isn't stopping. No, there's a million a year. So today, well, the Labour Party is all very pleased with itself today because it's done the India trade deal. Now, we trade with India regardless, right? But we're going to do this big free trade deal because it gives slightly lower tariffs. And what we've had to give away that nobody in Parliament voted for, it was signed off by royal prerogative. You know how much I hate that system. What we've done is we've given Indian companies tax breaks to employ Indian people in Britain.

I mean, we've we've literally done that. So and the government says, oh, it's only a limited number of visas. No problem. Well, 100% because look at this. Sorry to to interrupt Benny, I'll let you come back. But look at this from James McMurdoch, the Reform UK MP, who says, absolutely shocking, Starmer's deal with India means Indian workers won't pay any national insurance, making them cheaper to hire than British workers. He's just rigged the job market against the British. I simply cannot believe what I'm seeing. Yeah, that's exactly what they've done. Now, what Labour will say is it's only a limited number of visas. But what I'm saying is it doesn't matter. Whilst we've got people sat on benefits

who could work, get off their arses and go and work. And don't tell me that the Indian people that we're bringing over are more qualified. No, they're not. We've got people coming out of universities armed with degrees that they're never going to be able to pay for because it's cheaper to hire an Indian worker now than it is to hire a British worker. So it isn't changing. No party is getting the message. We do have 2 million people here. We are never going to be able to remove them. We can't identify them. They won't tell us what country they come from. Our legal system will stop us deporting any of them. If you look at the figures today, it's all breaking everywhere, obviously on the grooming gangs. But we have not deported a single,

a single grooming gang convicted rapist since 2011. It's truly astonishing. It is truly astonishing. And the fact they are trying to sell this trade deal today as good news i think says it all breaking right now fury and disgust at slippery starmer who has decided to stand up for lucy powell and agree can you believe this agree that there is a weaponization going on of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, the biggest British scandal in modern history, the most despicable establishment and mainstream media cover-up. But apparently, this outburst from the leader of the House, Cabinet Minister Lucy Powell, is absolutely fine with our scumbag Prime Minister.

I don't know whether you saw the documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs. We want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Let's get that dog whistle out, shall we? Look, the councils, there were so many people who were so afraid for good can i just finish the point just for one minute point tim and then i'll bring in helen look there were so many people in local government in the authorities who for good reasons were worried about upsetting community tensions that those girls went undefended. Now, there were good reasons, but no one has still been brought to justice for that. So you tell me, Lucy,

that this isn't a culture in local government. It's just not true. When our leaders show us who they really are, believe them. And that is exactly what Number 10 Downing Street did today during an extraordinary off-camera briefing with reporters, which has been documented by The Sun's political editor, Harry Cole. Let me take you through it. A reporter asked, is that something, referring to the Lucy Powell discussion, the prime minister shares that people are weaponizing? Number 10, it's obviously disappointing for people to do so. Pushed on who it was that is scoring political points, the Prime Minister's spokesperson replied, I think any political point scoring on an issue such as this is disappointing.

The government is focused on taking action to deliver justice for victims. The PM's interim press secretary was then asked who exactly is making these political points and there was no answer, simply I've got nothing to add. Which as Harry Cole says would imply the government does think the grooming gangs issue is being weaponised in some quarters, they just won't say where. Yet Powell was clear on Friday that simply bringing it up constitutes point scoring. Messy. Now, I am absolutely disgusted by this. So let me bring in my superstar panel, Anne McElhenney and Bernie Spofforth.

And look, I don't agree with Dominic Cummings on everything, right? On this, however, he got it spot on today. Good to have it officially confirmed that the Prime Minister and Number 10 do think that campaigning for a national inquiry to end the cover-ups on the rape gangs is weaponising racism. This is the same mentality that drove all the cover-ups for years and they're openly pushing it from the number 10 press office. Every voter in England should get the message about how much they hate us, and why they won't stop importing racists from the exact same tribes even now. And Anne, we know why they're taking this position. They are completely reliant on the Muslim vote, which means that they are unable to call out the most despicable crimes that have been imported into our country as a result of Islam. And it makes me sick.

Yeah, I mean, if they have an inquiry, the problem is if they have an inquiry, you know, all of this comes, you know, will come into spotlight. This will have to be all acknowledged. You know, that this huge population of people who were, this experiment that was done, this awful, horrible experiment, which we have the results of, that's the problem. That's the problem, that the grooming gangs inquiry, if they were to do it, if they were to do a national inquiry, would give the results of this experiment, which is a complete disaster. That you can't bring all these people from places where they think very, very, very, very differently about what it means to be a woman, what it means to be human, how we should treat people.

It's OK that you can just do that. You can just insert this massive population and it's going to work out just fine. I mean, these are profoundly, by the way, there's an incredible profound stupidity at the heart of all of this. How could anyone have ever thought that this would work out?

This absolutely ludicrous idea. Of course, it all started with multiculturalism. You know, we're all kind of the same. We're all kind of basically, we're all basically just the same. No, we're not even slightly the same. We're not even slightly the same. We're not even slightly the same. And it's just, it's horrible.

And at the centre of this are all these victims who are, it must be so heartbreaking, and we know some of those victims, to hear every day their leaders, the people in government, saying, nah, you know, nah. And by the way, that language, dog whistle, little trumpet. Oh my God, it's so appalling. And it's unbelievable that Keir Starmer would basically support that. It's frightening.

And I think we need to keep pushing. People need to keep pushing for a national inquiry because we haven't heard everything. And I think the point that you were making earlier, like the idea that since, what is it, 2011, no one has been deported who was found guilty in these crimes. And I don't know if you know, Dan, we actually filmed, we got an actor to film the summary from one of the judges in the Oxford case. And it is just, I mean, it's galling. And it's a little bit like the trans thing. One of the problems is people don't want to, it's so awful. And it's a little bit like the trans thing. One of the problems is people don't want to,

it's so awful. It's so bad. That's the problem. People want to look their ears. I don't want to know about that. I don't want to know about that because it's just too much. I'm too upset. No, you know what?

You need to get really upset because this is your sister. This is your daughter. This is your cousin. This is your grandchild. And it's still going on. That's the worst of it. It's still going on. At an endemic level.. Oh, it's still going on at an endemic level.

And I mean, we were on the Mark Stein cruise, weren't we, Anne, with two wonderful survivors, Sammy Smith, Samantha Smith and Sammy Woodhouse. Now, Sammy posted on this writing, are you surprised? Labour has turned a blind eye. I mean, it makes me feel sick. Labour has turned a blind eye to children being groomed, abused, raped, trafficked, tortured, criminalised, impregnated and murdered. And now everyone is insulted by her remarks. I've been hearing them for 26 years. And remember, Sammy is someone who lived through this. But Bernie Spofforth, you have pointed out quite brilliantly

by doing some serious research on this that the mainstream media are completely complicit in the cover-up, especially our so-called state broadcaster, the British Bashing Corporation. You posted a reminder. The BBC called children being repeatedly raped by gangs of men child prostitutes. Children cannot agree to sex.

They were being raped and then treated as a moral nuisance as if they were to blame. How could they do this to children? Shameful. And Bernie, this is the problem, isn't it? The mainstream media, that the state broadcaster is complicit in the cover-up? I think that Anne is completely right. The experiment has failed. But I think that the government, this current Labour government, and the previous governments tried to keep the lid on something because it isn't the communities that are perpetrating most of these crimes. I know there are lots of

white men involved. Everyone keeps telling me that. I know that. But if the truth comes out, as Anne said, the problem is how on earth do you deal with something so enormous? The magnitude is enormous. The cover up wasn't only just from the governments or the media. It was from teachers, social workers, authorities, councils, police officers. You're talking about thousands and thousands of people that would need to be interviewed, prosecuted, who by? They were all involved as well. So I don't think governments know where to start. And what they've tried to do for many years is amongst themselves, I can kind of hear the conversation, it's just a few girls, be fine. So that the girls become

collateral damage. And there were young boys involved as well, don't forget. It's just collateral damage for the good of the country. We cannot let this explode. And what happens with a pressure cooker, if you don't release the pressure, is that eventually it explodes bigger than you could possibly think. And I understand the truth is bad, but they have to let that truth come out now, because if they don't, if it comes out on its own, I think they're making the position much, much worse. And I don't know how any community can ever come back together when, as I say, social workers, police, people in the council, people in authorities, teachers and the government and the media called these children. They were just poor. They came from difficult backgrounds to just brush them all off as child prostitutes, you know, slappers. We don't need to do anything. Well, the public's had enough now because the public doesn't agree. I just don't know how they deal with it because it's too big.

Well, indeed. And obviously there has to be a real serious discussion about Islam in terms of this too. And Rupert Lowe, who, by the way, his rape gang inquiry crowdfund is now at 613,000, which is absolutely incredible, with 19,914 individuals donating. He posted on this yesterday, we need to start asking the really difficult questions. Why do men of these backgrounds have disproportionately higher offender rates? What is driving it? All reasons must be explored, social, cultural, and yes,

religious. Why are these communities not doing more to tackle the evil from within? I find it very difficult to believe that this mass rape has gone by virtually unnoticed. Why do Pakistani men believe it is acceptable to sexually torture white girls? Without understanding the motivation, we won't tackle the root cause. Difficult questions, the answers I suspect will be even harder to digest. It's a conversation that is becoming more and more necessary. And, and McElhenney, one of the reasons why I have supported Rupert Lowe and I was so devastated when he was booted out of Reform UK in those shocking circumstances was because he is prepared to have these discussions about Islam, whereas Nigel Farage has taken a very different position

and I believe we have to have the conversation. I think Rupert Lowe is completely right. We have to ask those questions. Yeah, but it's very, but it's very awkward. I mean, what, you know, what do you do? You know, you have this massive population of Muslims now in the United Kingdom, many of them, you know, quite a, quite a high proportion of them that are from places that have these cultures where they think it's OK to get to marry children, children, basically. You know, they think it's OK that women are second class, worse than second class citizens. What what do you do?

How I mean, how does this get resolved? I actually I mean, I don't have the answers, but it certainly doesn't help by covering things up. That's that certainly doesn't help. And I think what Rupert Lowe is doing by collecting this money is marvellous, but it shouldn't have to be. It shouldn't have to be. The government, you know, should be doing this. It should be statutory. People should be forced to give evidence, you know, under oath. You know, it should have that kind of power behind it. And having it more independent is certainly not ideal. But this is not going away.

As we've said, these stories are still happening all over the United Kingdom. And it's so frightening that these vulnerable children, children who have very unsatisfactory family life and the people who are making the decision, the people who are living the life and calling this a little trumpet, the people who are living the life and, you know, calling this a trumpet, a little trumpet. Those those people, you know, live in nice houses, have very nice middle class lives.

You know, everyone gets on. Everyone is respectful of everyone else. They're so removed. They're so removed from the kind of chaotic lives that so many people live. And they never asked for that. Children who are born into chaotic lives in families where whatever variety of dysfunction is available. Nobody asked for that. Those children are completely innocent. And then they get preyed on. Then they get spotted. They get spotted by these

guys. And that's what we know. And it's just horrific that the government would support that way, that dismissive way of talking about them. Of course, it is horrible. It is. But Bernie, is it not an issue that Nigel Farage, for example, has said, well, we need the Muslim vote, that that is the only way we're going to win, because that might mean he's not prepared to have the required conversations? I don't think he will. I don't think anyone will.

And I think Rupert will try. But nobody can be compelled unless it's a statutory national inquiry. You know, you've got Sadiq Khan saying, no, it's okay. London doesn't even need its own inquiry. Why? Nothing like this happens in London, really. I don't think anyone will. I think he doesn't even acknowledge Sadiq Khan does not even acknowledge what grooming gangs are, let alone suggest they're in London. And trust me, trust me, there are Pakistani Muslim rape gangs all over London? Yeah, there must be. It must be all over the country. But I honestly believe the problem is so big that the governments and the authorities think

eventually it will go away. Now, it won't. It won't go away. But I don't know that Rupert's inquiry can compel people to give evidence. It can't. And I think Nigel Farage will take the easy route because he doesn't want to upset the voting base either. It's insane. It's insane. And we just don't have a Trump. We don't have a Trump. We desperately need one. I don't know where that person comes from.

But we do not have somebody who says, that's wrong. I don't care what the fallout is. I'm going to fix it. 100%. And also, let's just remember that America doesn't have anywhere near the issue that we do in terms of Islam. Okay, do stand by. Bernie Spofforth and Anne Matalheny. So much more coming up. Tucker Carlson, this is huge, has called on Donald Trump to issue diplomatic immunity asylum effectively to Russell Brand in order for him to escape the lawfare that he is currently having to deal with

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Then he criticised the government for using COVID to turn the UK into a totalitarian state. The accolades abruptly stopped. A government TV station accused Brand of committing sex crimes against anonymous women they refused to name. Government officials called for his opinions to be scrubbed from the internet. Last month, British prosecutors charged Brand with rape and sexual assault. None of the charges are backed by hard evidence. All of them supposedly took place more than 20 years ago, one of them in the 1990s. The entire case is transparently politically absurd, a near identical replay of the fake rape charges authorities brought against Julian Assange 15 years ago. Russell Brand, whose youngest child is barely a year old, now faces life in prison. He has no shot at a fair trial because Britain is no longer a free country. Over the last few years,

millions of foreigners have applied for asylum in the United States. Russell Brand deserves it. Say a prayer that the Trump administration comes to his rescue. Let me bring in my superstar panel now. Bernie Spofforth is the host of the groundbreaking YouTube channel, If This Is True. And Anne McElhenney is of Unreported Story Society, the producer of a new filmed verbatim drama based on the landmark case of mermaids versus the lgb alliance and why supporters of transitioning children are on the back foot but they're not gone yet and we will be talking about trans on trial very shortly but ann what do you make of the suggestion that donald that Donald Trump should offer asylum to Russell Brand, who is facing these rape charges in the United Kingdom.

I should say, Anne, because we don't have any type of free speech here. We don't have any type of First Amendment. I can't go into talking about the details of the case in any way. But let's just talk about it as a hypothetical. Russell Brand, does he deserve political asylum? Is this something that the US administration under Trump could do to continue to put pressure on the Starmer administration over free speech? You know, it's tricky. And by the way, don't forget, as you mentioned, I was in court every day of the Harvey Weinstein trial in New York. And so that's that's my insight into this.

I don't know anything about the about the Russell Brand case, so I can't really speak to any kind of details there. But I don't like the smell of what you just said, by the way, and the fact that there's no details available. But, you know, I wouldn't say that America is the safest place for somebody who, you know, who the mob are after. Look what happened to Harvey Weinstein. The Me Too movement went after him. I was in court every day and two women put him in prison for the rest of his life. Now, obviously, there's an appeal process going on right now. But I cannot tell you how ludicrous and I can say this, how ludicrous it is that Harvey Weinstein is spending one day in prison, by the way. And he is scum.

I wouldn't want anyone I love or care about to have anything to do with him. But he didn't rape anyone. He didn't assault anyone. And I was there in court every day. And I can tell you that I was very, very shocked by what happened. So I'm not sure that Russell Brand... And that is absolutely fascinating, by the way, because this has become quite a political hot potato in recent months, given Candace Owens has expressed her support for Harvey Weinstein. Now, I am completely with the pair of you, by the way. Harvey Weinstein is a pig. I met him in my former life. He treated me like a piece of dirt. He's not the

type of guy that you want to say a good thing about. But you sat in trial every day. Candace Owens has looked at this case in depth, in depth. And you both say, revolting pig of a man, but he's not guilty. He's just not guilty. Well, here's what I always say to people, because people are really shocked by this. Here's what I say to people. Imagine if you got assaulted or raped. Would you, in the case of one of the women, would you come downstairs from the hotel room

where this happened and ask the guy who had flown you in, a different guy, a friend, who had flown you into New York, would you say to the friend, I need to change my ticket because I want to stay in New York because Harvey has his birthday coming up. Would you do that? Would you write hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of emails to this rapist saying you're just great? Yesterday was fabulous. By the way, can I get a membership to the Soho House?

Oh, could I go to that premiere, by the way, in Cannes? Oh, by the way, you know what? You mean more to me than my father. Would you have consensual sex with that rapist assault, sexual assaulter for, you know, many, many me to London, by the way? Please, could you fly me to London? Get to London. This is after the rape. Get to London and then say, oh, get in touch with Harvey Weinstein's office and say to them, oh, I've just worked out that Harvey's going to be in London. Can you change my tickets?

I'm here when he's here. Does any of that sound even slightly reasonable? Would you write to your rapist, by the way, my favorite, by the way, my absolute favorite is, would you write to your rapist and say, I'd really like you to meet my mother? It's nuts. Does any of that make sense? People will not believe you.

People will not believe you. This is the shocking thing because the mainstream media, just like with Russell Brand, decided Harvey Weinstein has to fall yeah he's our fall guy we'll make him our fall guy we've seen this time and time again by the way including with prince andrew and glaine maxwell and the problem is yes if you speak up for these people which i will and i know you will people try and say that you are defending the indefensible no what we're doing is pointing out that there can be bad people who are still set up by the establishment, the deep state, and the mainstream media.

Now, Bernie, can I ask you about the Russell Brand case? Because there are so many parallels, aren't there? And again, let's talk about it generally, Bernie, but come on. It's virtually impossible to see how the guy gets a fair trial in the US. What do you make of Tucker Carlson calling on Donald Trump to provide him with political asylum in the US? So I find this really tricky because I'm a huge believer in democracy and in the right to a trial of your peers. Right. I'm a big of your peers. Right. I'm a big fan of that.

And if I have to sit here and say. And by the way, Graham says he wants to face a jury. Right. I should just point that out. He says I'm innocent and I want to go on trial so that I can prove my innocence. Sorry, I just thought that was worth saying.

Okay. So when this all first came up, I said the same thing and I said it on X. I said a trial by media and a trial by jury is not trial, right? It isn't. And it's wrong. And I don't believe you should do that. I absolutely support Russell Brand if he's going to go to court, because we've just been talking about grooming gangs. We've just been talking about young girls who were not heard and were not listened to. We can't choose what young girls we listen to, right?

It happened in the 90s. The grooming gangs happened in the 90s. We don't know what girls are telling the truth. We don't know which ones are digging for some gold jewelry. We just don't know. So we have to trust. We have to trust that our legal system will work. If we don't, if our legal system doesn't work, then we have nothing. And this country is over.

But Bernie, I don't trust him anymore. I don't trust him anymore. I understand that. I don't. And I've had lawfare against me. I understand that. I understand that. But Russell is right. But I believe that Russell is right. However, what I would say is if Donald Trump wants to give asylum to Tommy Robinson, he should. He should now give asylum to Tommy Robinson because he's had his trial. It was a civil case. He's now a political prisoner being treated unbelievably badly. He should leave the country. But Russell, I think you should go and do it. And I know that you don't trust the system, Dan faith, we have no faith in the justice of this country at all, then we have no country left. It's over.

Can I just say that? Can I just mention that I was also in court. Just maybe this maybe this will reassure you slightly. I was in court also every day in London for Kevin Spacey's trial. And I have to say that jury were absolutely fabulous. And but but but what Kevin Spacey was very, very lucky. So Kevin Spacey and we've also got a podcast, a very long podcast on Kevin, the Kevin Spacey trial unfiltered. I highly recommend it. It's unbelievable. What was really interesting about Kevin Spacey was Kevin Spacey is a hoarder.

He keeps everything. And because of that, he was able to defend himself. Because the big problem is, how do you defend yourself about something that happened 20 years ago? Do you know where you were? Where were you on January the 3rd, you know, 1995? Like no one has any idea. And by the way, this is a lot of this would be before the Internet if you're talking about the 90s. So people, there's no record of anything. So people say stuff and it's like, how do you, how can you ever work out? Were you there or whatever? But I have to say in the Kevin Spacey case, and I don't know if all of the listeners would know this, but it's really just incredible.

Kevin Spacey's life, like basically his career is over. He's finished. He has been exonerated in every court that he has turned up at. Yeah. Every last time. And in London, it was spectacular. And we stood there. I stood right beside him, like looking at him. He was in the, you know, with the police surrounding him, you know, in the dock.

And they were like, and there was, I think, in the end, like something like 11 counts. Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. And he was crying. I mean, it was extraordinary. And in that case, obviously, we all guilty. And he was crying. I mean, it was extraordinary. And in that case, obviously, we all came outside and he was obviously thanking and he went around and was allowed,

they gave him the ability to go in and talk to the jurors afterwards and thank them. But they were like, you know, I just, I looked at them and I thought, this is exactly what, you know, what you're talking about.

This is the beautiful system when it works beautifully. But I also should mention that I was in every day of the court case of Mark Stein in Washington, D.C., where something very different happened

and where it was very, very political and the result was ludicrous and didn't represent what the evidence that had been presented was. So this is a massive problem.

And that's why calling out, like this is why what we did with Weinstein, because sometimes I'm thinking people, you know, I'm conservative and people are like why would you spend all this money you know, exposing

this Harvey Weinstein thing and the reason is because today it's Harvey Weinstein and tomorrow it's your son, tomorrow it's your brother, tomorrow it's your sister you know, who's going to be in the dark, so we all have to defend Weinstein against what happened to him because it's so wrong and I wanted to mention just one thing about the Weinstein thing because you were talking about the mainstream media and it's a brilliant it's an image I have in my head.

And it's so disturbing. In the Weinstein case in New York, we got up every morning at three o'clock to line up outside in the freezing cold because there was a huge, huge media interest. And when we get into the court and everyone had their laptops, so there'd be this noise, you know, this like, it's a kind of a little noise, right, of all the laptops going crazy, right, while the prosecution were questioning witnesses. Then the defence would come up to speak to the same witnesses and make a linger,

like an unbelievable point. And this is what happened. All the hands were taken away. All the hands were lifted. The noise stopped. You suddenly heard complete silence and you're thinking, oh my God, this is so scary.

So the people outside didn't know, didn't get to hear these incredible pieces of evidence, these unbelievable pieces of evidence. They didn't get to hear them. And that's very, very disturbing. And it had an awful effect on me. And I just suddenly thought, God, how scary is this?

You're completely right. And I mean, I was just in court at the High Court the other day for Tommy Robinson's latest trial. And it was exactly the same thing. Exactly the same thing. And if I hadn't been there, then there was a lot that simply would not have been reported from that case. And when it comes to Kevin Spacey, by the way, what shocks me so much is that even when he had been found not guilty in these two trials on both sides of the Atlantic, the mainstream media still wasn't finished. And actually, I do point people to my right of reply interview with with kevin spacey this was the first time he had actually spoken publicly he did so after channel four came for him with a host of new allegations and what is amazing in this interview and i I mean, we went on for, I think, about one hour, 38 minutes. And you're so right, Anne.

He was just able to point by point by point take it all down. And this is why some people will be saying, why are you talking about this? Why are you defending these people? And your point is so right, Anne. This could be your son we have to stop lawfare against famous people just because they're either considered undesirable from a uh maybe aesthetic point of view if you're talking about harvey weinstein maybe from a political point of view if you're talking about russell brand and and the transition of russell brand

but that doesn't matter we cannot have this type of media mainstream media driven justice it doesn't work but i want to talk about the brilliant work uh that you do with your unreported society and specifically trans on trial which is your new piece of work. Now, before you explain, this is the incredible case, by the way, the incredible case between the LGB Alliance and Mermaids. We've got just a little bit of it. And this was the moment in court when J.K. Rowling was raised. transphobic bigots again it it's a misrepresentation and i can only explain it by saying people didn't want to engage in the ideas that we're putting forward so they called us names instead. And you may have seen lots and lots and lots of people are constantly called transphobic, transphobe, bigot. It often happens on social media. We only

have to look at JK Rowling and the torrent of abuse she received for expressing ideas that are similar to ours. So there it is, Anne, Trans on Trial and the Unreported Story Society has documented this landmark case. Tell me all about it. Yeah, and as you say, it was a landmark case. And what's really interesting about the trans fight in the UK versus the trans fight, for example, in the US, it's very, very interesting. The fight was led by progressive lesbians in the UK, and. It's very, very interesting. The fight was led by progressive lesbians in the UK, and they have been very, very successful. And really at the heart of it, I think when I say heart, actually, I mean really at the heart of it, at the cutting edge, at the poignant

end of this, is lesbians looking back, and these are older lesbians who are very successful, have lived fabulous lives and navigated all kinds of things. For them to look back and realise that if they had, if they were, you know, young and growing up now and they were in schools, feeling awkward, feeling a little bit, you know, same sex attraction, you know, whatever, but being confused and not sure. They said for sure. And actually, there's an amazing speech at the very end of the play with Kate Harrison. It's like, and she starts crying. And she talks about basically transing away the gay, you know, where now what teachers would do is,

you know what, you're not gay. It's not that. Actually, what you are is you were born in the wrong body. And Kate Harrison very emotionally talks about, there is no doubt, she said, I would have been put on hormones, on puberty blockers and on a very, very fast track down into surgery and into a destroyed life. And instead of that, she's a happy lesbian. She is living a lovely life and has had a lovely relationship, you know, and all of that. And so what they're doing is they're protecting children from this extraordinary evil. And what's really,

I mean, it's bizarre. One of the problems with the trans thing, again, a little bit like the grooming gangs, is it's so disturbing, people want to run away from it. And in some ways, this is, I think, one of the benefits of the play, is that it's a great entryway into the whole argument because it's kind of funny. And the reason it's funny, and it's totally verbatim

from what was said at this court case, where the mermaids were suing, by the way, basically going after, going to the Charities Commission, wanting LGB Alliance to lose their charitable status because of the fact that they were critical, very critical of the trans movement. And what you have here is so, so important is to like almost for the first time, having those people who think it's OK to trans children, having them kind of explain it, you know, ask difficult questions under oath and ask to explain themselves. And they come across as insane, as lunatic, as ludicrous. And it's really, really funny. It's like a pantomime because they're contorting themselves with language because there's no way that you can't mix. This is not there's no language that that fits this insanity. And so it's really it's a massive exposure. And it wasn't what they expected.

It wasn't what mermaids expected, but it's exactly what they got. And of course, LGB lions had a resounding victory, which I think telegraphed what then has just happened in the Supreme Court. So it was incredibly important. And these women are really, really fabulous. They are. And Bernie, this was the problem. There was this overreach for such a long time. And actually, what a lot of folk don't realise is that the trans movement at its core is actually so homophobic because anne says what you're actually doing is is telling young lesbian women oh you must be a man or young gay boys oh you must be a girl and putting them through hell as a result

and and that's exactly what happens with extremism, because in the middle, somewhere lost in all of this, you have lots of young people, perhaps, you know, I personally know a couple of very young people who have decided they are trans. And, you know, they have varying backgrounds, but the common background is that they were bullied, didn't fit in very well. So they didn't want to play football with the boys because they were a bit bullied. Maybe they'll end up as gay. I don't know. That's their choice in the end. So they hung out with the girls and then trans became the fashionable thing to do or the safer thing to do. And the problem with that is you can give children and young people

lots of time to grow up and develop on their own. But this pervasive bullying has come downstream from people who are extreme. You've got the camp of men who are fetishists. And yes, I have been on Protect the Dolls and had a look. It's literally terrifying. I am frightened of these people. And then you have the trans people who've lived their lives for many, many years. They don't want any of this nonsense. They've never been a problem in society. Their names are completely muddied, their histories, their stories, their whole reality is completely muddied by these activists and this pervasive bullying from, as you say, people who could actually just be extremely homophobic.

It's awful, it's awful, and I feel really sorry for so many of those young people. And it's despicable, despicable to put them on a medical pathway. In any case at all, it should never happen. And I'm worried as well about the therapy that they're being given. I don't know if you've seen, Anne, but I've been reading a few cases where children, you know, young teenagers have been taken to therapists who just affirm the fact that they are a different sex. Why would you do that? Yeah. And what's and what's really interesting. I mean, it's it's it's very dark.

The whole thing is very dark. But what about anyone who's very interested in this issue? And we haven't got time definitely on this show to do this. Look at look up who John Money was. Dr. John Money who started this whole thing. His story, the story of what he did to those little twins, those Canadian boys, is

so horrific. Both of the boys are dead now. It is absolutely horrific. But guess what? And I literally have just interviewed somebody about this issue the other day. Dr. John Money is not disgraced in the medical profession. In fact, he's lauded. He's continually continued. And he he sexually abused those boys for all of the years that they would would go there.

The whole story is just nightmarish. Look it up. It's it's it's available online. But I mean, it's just horrific. And what and what they're doing, as you say, like and what's really awful is in schools, there are these curricula. I mean, this is something I would love to get to the very heart of these curricula that are being created by these outside groups, groups like Mermaids, by the way. In Ireland, there's a group called Tenny. These groups are everywhere here in America, it's Planned Parenthood. Create these curricula, which are then disseminated through the public school system and teach absolute lies to children. That there's 48 or 78. I don't know what the number is now of genders that you're not, you know, that that your sexism is not immutable. You know, this complete it's complete madness and it's taught in schools. And, you know, you're you're sending children out into a school

system where you know you're meant to you're meant to respect the teacher but the teacher now is teaching absolute insanity and t and parents have got to get very involved parents have got to find out what's being taught um and they can't in this country go nuts they can't in this country. They can't in this country. And don't forget, most of those educational briefings now are coming from the UN. And those outside third party suppliersvasive nonsense, in many cases, through countries all over the world. I mean, how do you possibly keep control of a class where five or six of the little girls have decided they're cats? How do you do that? You can't, it's absolutely not. Oh, look, such a pleasure to have both of you today but trans on trial the filmed verbatim play it's absolutely fascinating it is a historic document but also quite entertaining for all of the reasons that ann discusses can be watched at www.transontrial.com. And it is, of course, a project of the Unreported Story Society.

So Anne McElhenney, please come back. It's been so brilliant to have you on Outspoken for the first time today. And Bernie Spofforth, who is behind the groundbreaking YouTube channel. If this is true, you can subscribe to If This Is True on YouTube for so much more of this. Love having you both. Thank you very, very much. Lots of comments coming in today on Farage versus Tommy Robinson, as you would expect. Timo UK said, remember that Farage left UKIP when Tommy joined.

I think Farage is secretly a bit jealous of the following Tommy has at his public rallies. And you're not the first to say that because, my God, there's going to be one hell of a rally following Tommy's release. Joanne O'Keefe says Farage can't help himself where Tommy is concerned about time he's zipped it. And Lynn Scarpet says Farage needs to be careful. People expect results and I dread to think what could happen if they come up short. Now it's time to reveal today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass. Let me remind

you of the Union Jackass nominees. Prince Harry, nominated by Comfy14552 because he's the most entitled loser on the planet. John Swinney, the Scottish First Minister, nominated by Darren Donaldson for the following quote. He said he wants to make sure that the decent values of Scotland, which I cherish and treasure enormously, are the values which prevail against the alien values that Nigel Farage is peddling. And the Labour MP Louise Haig, nominated by It's Only Me 44 for wanting income tax, VAT and national insurance increase to fight off Reform UK. And this was a good one today with 15% of the vote in third place, the Scottish First Minister John Swinney. In the runner-up position with 32% of your vote, Louise Haig, the ex-Transport Secretary. But with 53% of the vote, your union jackass for that terrible BBC

interview, Prince Harry. And the greatest Briton has connected to this in an odd little way. It's actually Prince George, nominated by Panda maniac 54 for having a bit of fun and rolling his eyes at his brother prince george during the ve day celebration oh my goodness this was so hilarious if you haven't seen it let's just take a little watch prince george honestly if looks could kill so there you see george swishes back his hair in the wind. Prince Louis mocks him. And oh my God, George was so unhappy about it. Prince Louis, he's a character, folks. He is a character.

He's going to have a big future. We'll be talking about him for many decades to come, I do believe. But coming up on the uncancelled after show, Angela Levin, our royal mastermind is on deck because Meghan Markle, oh my goodness, has been a brand new stunt to try and push Prince Harry out of the headlines as a result of his disastrous BBC interview. We're going to be going through it all on Substack, www.outspoken.live. I have big revelations. Piers Morgan has big revelations. Angela has big revelations. You don't want to miss this one. We're also going to hear from Nigel Farage and Douglas Murray on this too. www.outspoken.live is where you sign up. We are back though tomorrow, 5pm UK time live, midday Eastern,

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