Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON HITS BACK LIVE AT CHANNEL 4 DISPATCHES NIGEL FARAGE KELLY OSBOURNE & ABC AUSTRALIA

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

BREAKING RIGHT NOW: Tommy Robinson is standing by live to hit back after a despicable Channel 4 hit piece with the corrupted Hope Not Hate designed to shut down Unite the Kingdom and get him JAILED ov...er false claims of financial impropriety… Tommy visited the house of the Dispatches reporter Matt Shea after he refused to take his calls. Tommy will also respond to the latest MSM attacks on him from Kelly Osbourne at the NTAs and the Australian state broadcaster ABC libelling him. And we’ll ask him about newly released interview footage of Nigel Farage suggesting the BBC should deal with Danny Tommo’s people’s army the Patriot Platform. ALSO TODAY: Britain’s political prisoner Lucy Connolly SUES the Guardian over a disgusting false claim about her and UK Live presenter Mike Graham. She’ll be here live on the Superstar Panel alongside Reform UK’s George Madgwick who is their leader in Hampshire. PLUS: Sadiq Khan and Douglas Murray at war over the London Islamist Mayor’s plan to turn St Paul’s Cathedral into a drug-fuelled nightclub in the latest attack on Christianity. AND: Nadiya Hussain is slammed by Esther Krakue for boasting about cousin marriage because of her own parents. THEN IN THE ROYAL UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry blames King Charles over the new disaster besetting the Invictus Games. We’ll have all the latest with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. To watch in full, please subscribe at https://www.outspoken.live LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for new videos every day: https://youtube.com/@danwoottonoutspoken?si=-2BhmEbBSN1fyESS?sub_confirmation=1 ---------- Find the full audio show wherever you get your podcasts: Apple — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/dan-wootton-outspoken/id1762436723 Spotify — https://open.spotify.com/show/19Ltoneek2MSPL10CpSA1J?si=8f6d84e2db56448c ---------- Follow Dan on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@outspokendan Follow Dan on Twitter: https://x.com/danwootton Follow Dan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/danwootton/ Follow Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danwootton/?hl=en #DanWootton#DanWoottonOutspoken#news#outspoken#uknews Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooten. This is outspoken episode number 581. And breaking right now, Tommy Robinson is standing by live to hit back after a despicable Channel 4 hit piece with the corrupted Hope Not Hate Organisation designed to shut down Unite the Kingdom and get him jailed over false claims of financial impropriety. Tommy Robinson says he's going bankrupt, has no assets, and he can't. bank in the UK. He's claimed at least six times that he is debanked. So to check if Tommy Robinson's claim that no UK Banking Council process payments for him is true, I'm going to send him some money. One pound and it's gone through. Tommy visited the house of that dispatcher's reporter Matt Shea
Starting point is 00:00:53 after he refused to take his calls. Matt, come on, stop hiding. Come on, Matt, the rat. Stop hiding, mate. It's mad that you contacted me, but the minute you gave me the allegation, and I had an opportunity to go through those allegations. Not once. Have you answered your phone? Why not Matt? Let me give him Matt the pound back, yeah. Matt, in his documentary, transfers a pound into a bank account. So we'll give Matt back.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Here's your pound, Matt. All right, there's your pound. I want you saying, I owe you anything? Matt is a fraud, the dispatches deception. They've been here for five whole days. I was here yesterday from six in a month. morning till 10 at night. All we got movement on was of his wife. Tommy is also standing by to hit back at the latest MSM attacks on him from Kelly Osborne at the NTAs and the Australian
Starting point is 00:01:46 state broadcaster ABC, labeling him a Nazi. I don't know if my mom knows enough trans people to make a fair judgment on anything to do with that sort of thing. Whereas for me, that is my world. and to be born into a body that doesn't belong to you, I couldn't imagine anything worse. I thought this was all about Carl letting us know about important UK Nazis that he admired. Carl, was this just about the genes?
Starting point is 00:02:23 What if there are other Nazis overseas that I don't know about? Carl Stefanovic? Don't tell me it was all about the money? Oh, this is just tragic. And we'll ask him about newly released interview footage of Nigel Farad suggesting the BBC should deal with Danny Tomo's People's Army, the Patriot Platform. You should not be allowed to be masked up, balaclavid up, and go out and protest on the streets of our country. It is wrong at every level. So I deplore what is happening in Doberville.
Starting point is 00:02:53 So should the police go in and arrest people? What do? I mean, what should they do? They should be told they have to remove their face coverings. As simple as that. And if they don't, the police should act. Stand by Tommy Robinson, very angry about that. He was. will be joining us imminently. But also today, Britain's political prisoner, Lucy Connolly, sues the Guardian newspaper over a disgusting false claim about her and the UK live presenter, Mike Graham. She will be here on the superstar panel later alongside Reform UK's George Madgwick, who is their leader in Hampshire. But also breaking right now. Four people have been injured in a new London Stabathon. We've just been told that emergency
Starting point is 00:03:35 services were called to Bromley High Street in South London earlier this afternoon. Roads have been cordoned off and the High Street has been shut down as the four people have been rushed to hospital. It has been reported that there was a machete-wielding gang running through the area. We do not know yet if this is terror-related, but of course we are across this and we will bring you any relevant updates on this breaking news throughout today's show. Also on the way, Siddi Khan and Douglas Murray at war over the London Islamist plans to turn St. Paul's Cathedral into a drug-fueled nightclub in his latest attack on Christianity. Maybe he should be thinking about stopping the stabbings instead.
Starting point is 00:04:16 And Nadia Hussein, you know, from the Bake Off, she's been slammed by Esther Krakou for boasting about cousin marriage because of her own parents. There's also major breaking royal news. We're going to cover that over in the Royal Uncanceled Aftershow today because Prince Harry has blamed King Charles over this new disaster besetting. the Invictus games. It's also going to be one day early, the big reveal for the worst Britain in the world this week. This is where we put your union jackasses head to head. On Monday, it was Richard Tice on Tuesday, Mothan Ali. On Wednesday, Nigel Farage,
Starting point is 00:04:52 you can get voting right now in the posts tab on YouTube. So, big show, Tommy Robinson standing by. We're going to keep across this breaking news of the new London stabbing. Let's go. The mainstream media is not just an enemy of the people. It is fast becoming a prop of the deep state used to destroy the patriots attempting to save our disunited kingdom. So last week, Channel 4 News conspired with hard leftist eco-activists to try and see Nigel Farage be jailed and Reform UK damned as a criminal operation. This week, the Daily Mail and virtually every other so-called conservative outlet on the right, decided to smear Danny Tomo, despite his Patriot Platform People's Army protesting completely peacefully in Dover and Portsmouth against the invasion of our country.
Starting point is 00:05:50 And then last night, the Beast de Resistance, Channel 4's dispatchers tried to finish Tommy Robinson once and for all. This was it the left us had promised for the past three years. We have finally got him. The scourge of the political establishment and MSM will be done after this one primetime Channel 4 documentary. Problem is, Tommy Robinson is better at this game than they are. And his own documentary, the dispatcher's deception, blew their hit piece out the water. Now, I watched both documentaries in full.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Channel 4 worked on theirs with the scum, anti-British organisation Hope Not Hate for three years, but there was still no smoking gun. Tommy had just three days to prove them wrong. So what was this all about? Well, the dispatcher's leftist reporter Matt Shea had tried to claim that Tommy was somehow lying about being debanked. Robinson says he's going bankrupt, has no assets, and he can't bank in the UK. Why don't have cash in the car because we collected a demonstration the day before and I can't bank in the UK, you mucks. So I tried to donate to him to see if that's really the case.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Let me tell you something. I don't have a bank out and can't get one in England, but I'll be a bank out. been debanked by every single bank possible. Now, debanking is the terms some people use to describe when you can't access the banking system, usually because of the risk the bank thinks you pose. Some of Robbins's followers even cite this debanking as a reason for donating to him. I have donated this morning, mate, yeah, only 10 pangs, but yeah, I have, is it. And that's the only person I've ever donated to him in my life. I mean, the man's debanked, so the man has no, they took place, bank the banked case.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Now he's demonetized. He's got nothing. Tommy Robinson has a history of fraud and claims that he can't get a bank account when in fact he can. So how can his supporters trust what he says about the money that they give to him? To find out, watch Tommy Robinson, where's the money gone? Dispatches Channel 4 tonight at 10pm. So that was the moment, right? This was the big plug and they were so excited. But in his response, Tommy explains why Channel 4's language has been so intellectually dishonest.
Starting point is 00:08:11 In the allegations that dispatchers have put to me, they repeatedly use these words. It appears, we understand. It could, likely, reportedly, and can reasonably be inferred. What does that mean? That means they have no evidence, yeah? It means that they're going to cry and create smiths, and fabrications to push a narrative to you. And it means that they can't be sued by me.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Because what they're saying is, it appeared like that. It was likely that. It could have been that. They're not saying it's definitely that. So they're going to appear a whole load of smoke for you, the British public, using these words. Tommy even gets Donald Trump's defamation lawyer Robert Garson, who has reviewed the dispatcher's legal letter to Tommy to explain why this entire investigation by Channel Foreign Dispatchers
Starting point is 00:09:04 is a stitch up. I'm a barrister and an attorney in the United States. I'm called to the English and Welsh Bar. I'm also qualified and admitted to the bars of New York, Florida and D.C. I practice out of GS2 Law PLLC over in the United States, and I center my practice on intellectual property, intellectual property litigation, and issues like libel, for example, defamation, First Amendment, as would call it in the United States,
Starting point is 00:09:41 freedom of speech, from both the plaintiff and defense's perspective. But let me give you a few tricks of the trade that comes out of when reading all of these with a more practiced eye. When people use qualifiers, and when especially journalists use qualifiers, and they send you a letter which is under, because I've looked at this letter now that says private and confidential.
Starting point is 00:10:05 You and I both know that's not going to remain private and confidential because what they're going to say is, we sent this private and confidential letter to Stephen Yaxley-Lennam, and this is what we asked for, and this is what he didn't say in response. And Tommy's response is incredibly detailed, and one very dramatic scene he speaks to one of the women who participated in the Channel 4 hit piece.
Starting point is 00:10:28 This is Chloe, the daughter of his late friend who took his own life. and he challenged her claims directly before she folds. Hi, Chloe, how are you? I'm okay, thank you. How are you? I'm not bad, thank you, not bad. Just, obviously, I guess you've spoke to dispatches, Chloe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, do you remember, obviously, when your dad died, you're aware I'd on a crowd fund, right? No, I wasn't at all. I actually found out a couple months ago when somebody contacted me. Okay. Okay, well I've done it publicly all over my social media. I obviously shared your one.
Starting point is 00:11:11 You raised, I don't know, three and a half thousand pounds, right, for the funeral. Yeah. I done one originally on the day at our event after it died was to raise money for a headstone. But he didn't need a headstone. Obviously, you know why. He was cremated, right? Yes, he was. So no headstone.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Just for my point of view, that doesn't mean that I've robbed the money because that's what the dispatchers were alleged. I'm never saying you'd stolen the money at all. When they asked me, what do I think you'd done with it? I said, I don't know. I said, in all honesty, it would not surprise me. If you'd have given it Katie, it wouldn't. But that's why I done you.
Starting point is 00:11:57 But the most dramatic moment is when Tommy doorsteps, the dispatchers reporter Matt Shea, after he has spent five days locking himself inside his flat while refusing to take any of Tommy's calls. We're going in now, we've got entrance with our friends dressed as a delivery driver. We're going to question, Matt Schey,
Starting point is 00:12:19 about the lies they're about to tell. We've been staking him out for five days here. So he hasn't come out of the flat, actually. He's gone underground. We've got video footage of him twice coming out, but we need to ask him questions. Now I'd rather not be doing this, but he hasn't answered his phone all to me. I've been trying to bring him for weeks.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Can you see that? Yeah? Can you see it? Okay. Yeah. As I know, I've got a stupid privacy screen. Well, apparently he's up. All right, here we go.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Come on, Matt. He answers. I am trying with every effort to contact Matt, soy milk drinking, shay from dispatches, okay? Just so you can see. I'll tell him what, and he's not. Matt, just here to ask you some questions, mate. I want to ask you some questions about how much you paid Lauren Priddy to lie. We've seen the lights have turned on, mate, so we know you're in there.
Starting point is 00:13:20 We want to know how much you paid Lauren Prudy to lie. Why you didn't do your job? He then directly explained outside the reporter's door why the claim that there should be police investigation into his finances are actually crooked because of the withholding of key information. I've just read the newspaper article. Let me read it to you now, Matt. Former Director of Public Prosecution, Sir Max Hill,
Starting point is 00:13:46 says there is now sufficient evidence to justify opening a criminal probe into whether Lenin, Robinson, lied under oath during a 2002 high court hearing. Now, he believes that because you didn't give them all the evidence, did you? Did you? Matt, why didn't you? Max also warned that the former EDL leader's failure to pass on funds raised from public to a survivor, Why did you interview one survivor? If the public prosecutor would have known that there was five survivors, the other four all happy, all received money,
Starting point is 00:14:17 and that the one that went rogue and went missing, which we now know has been in cahoots with you and Antifa, then the public prosecutor wouldn't have come to this conclusion, would he, man? If you've done your job and gave him all the evidence, these lies that are now going out about me around the nation that have committed criminality, wouldn't have been possible, would they, Matt? Matt, come on. Stop hiding.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Come on, Matt, they're at. Stop hiding, mate. It's mad that you contacted me, but the minute you gave me the allegations and I had an opportunity to go through those allegations, not once have you answered your phone? Why not, Matt? Disgusting.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Journalists should want to speak to the people that they are trying to turn over, that they are trying to destroy, to find out of what they're doing is actually truthful. Now, Matt Shea's big, Bingo I've Got Him moment was when he claimed to have donated one pound to a Metro bank account watch. In June, a new website has launched asking his supporters to donate in crypto because supposedly no UK bank accounts will process payments for him. But we've been given by confidential sources details of a metro bank account in his real name, Mr. S. C. Lennon, which stands for Stephen Christopher Lennon, the name he,
Starting point is 00:15:36 uses on official legal documents. Now that bank account appears to have existed since at least November 2025 and in that time period he's claimed at least six times that he is debanked. So to check if Tommy Robinson's claim that no UK Bank Council process payments for him is true, I'm going to send him some money. So I've got his bank details up here. I'm going to send him one pound with the reference just checking. All details match. Would you look at that? that, one pound. And it's gone through. But Tommy didn't want that dude's one pound.
Starting point is 00:16:18 He actually returned it. Look. Let me give him Matt the pound back, yeah? Matt, in his documentary transfers a pound into a bank account. So we'll give Matt back. Here's your pound, Matt. All right, there's your pound. What's saying, I owe you anything?
Starting point is 00:16:38 Matt is a fraud. The dispatcher. deception, two skater to answer the question. You're a professional investigator. We've hired you many times. There's a few of you spotted up around here. How many days have been in it? We've been in just over five days.
Starting point is 00:16:52 What's his movement's been like? He's been hiding away, very kind of permanent behaviour. We've got footage of him once, twice? So, fished him once and eyes on in one at a time. Yeah. Is that normal? Not normal behaviour at all, no. He lives in these flats, so there's two entrances out.
Starting point is 00:17:08 The things we've had to do, yeah? Matt goes on about us raising money from the public. Yeah, we hire professionals who then we've had cameras there, and there's another entrance out that way. So we've got another lads working with your team who's there. They've been here for five whole days. I was here yesterday, from six in the morning till 10 at night. All we got movement on was his wife, his wife come out.
Starting point is 00:17:32 But yeah, and all of these things, people say, I haven't come here to intimidate that, you know? He hasn't answered the phone. You've seen it. He won't answer the phone. So all Tommy could do was send him this WhatsApp message. I posted your £1 under your door, Matt, Shea, invest at Wising. I don't want your money, thanks.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Yes, of course I have evidence to back up my claim. A plastic card that doesn't allow me to pay any direct debits, that doesn't allow me to use abroad, that won't allow me to borrow money, that doesn't allow for any overdrafts, isn't a bank account by definition, you Muppet. Hope you enjoyed your gotcha. Tommy's protégé, Danny Tomo, has backed his message. mentor today writing you lot proper thought you had something on him alongside this office meme, excuse me, and Tommy's loyal friend, Liam Tufts, wrote, can you see the pattern?
Starting point is 00:18:20 Every time the establishment tried to discredit Tommy Robinson, he always comes back with irrefutable proof that reinforces the fact that nobody can trust the mainstream media. But you can trust the independent media and that's why Tommy Robinson joins me now. Tommy, thank you so much for being here. Now, as you just saw, I went through both documentaries. I spent three hours last night because I wanted to be completely fair. I mean, who knew? Maybe Channel 4 was going to have some sort of smoking gun. So I sat through all of their documentary, all of yours. to me it is very clear that there was no smoking gun. But I just want to start with, I guess, the news in terms of what they wanted.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Has there been any contact or communication from the police? Is there any sign that there is going to be an investigation into this, especially given the way that you were able to, at the very end outside of his apartment, make clear that he had been very disdain dishonest in terms of what he had presented to the expert? Dan, I knew the whole time. As soon as I received their questions, I knew that what they were about to do
Starting point is 00:19:45 was try and paint an area of criminality to the public by deceiving them, by omitting facts that they haven't tried to find and purposely mislead the public and using a public prosecutor to do that. Now, all of this is to justify more criminal proceedings. Because whether they're successful or not, look, I walk into court on the night, 19th October, I was 17th October this month. I face 10 years in prison.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I've continuously faced court case after court case. Are we there? Yes, got you. Yeah, so if I, whether they're successful or not, it dranger, trying to fight it dranger, financially dranger. My next court case is costing over $100,000 to fight. And this is versus the daily mail. This is versus the daily mail.
Starting point is 00:20:32 You know what? which I was insane. They've just done it to Danny Tomlin. I've been criminally prosecuted for not even doing what they've done. All I'd done was told them I'm going to come and knock on their doors and ask them some questions with cameras.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Look what they've just done to him and his family. And I face criminal prosecutions in prison for nothing, for nothing. So, but yeah, I knew the whole time that's what they're edging towards. And if you look, it's hope not hate who we've been all the investigators. Well, I was about to say,
Starting point is 00:21:01 let's just pull this up. Let's just pull this up because this is very critical. Look at this in the credits. Specialist research, hope not hate. And then Nick Lolls, who is a corrupted man who you have exposed time and time again, posted this immediately after the documentary, writing The Dispatchez documentary is just the start. Next is the publication of a series of more in-depth pieces on Lenin's finances.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Then comes the campaign to get the authorities to investigate him fully. And he's called this The Gris. hope not hate. So Channel 4 is not even hiding the fact that they are now working with this hard leftist organisation, hope not hate, and that they are campaigning to get you locked up. I mean, to suggest that this is impartial journalism is nuts. It's a coordinated attack. It's coordinated. And it's not, it wasn't just dispatches. It's obviously hope not hate. It's not just hope not hate. It's the plants from the far right element. It's the plight. All of them in working. together on this. And I've known, Dan,
Starting point is 00:22:05 John Long, I've known about this. And I've got files like this. I've known. Three years I've known about this. Three years. Because dispatches went into the estate agent that sold my ex-wife's house. Three years ago. Now, when they went in there, so I looked up the bloke of the wedding, so my mate owns
Starting point is 00:22:21 the estate agent. So my mate rang me up and said, just had this guy in here. They're doing a documentary. They're investigating you. They're investigating Jenna. That was three years ago. So when I... That's your ex-wife, by the way, Jenna. Jenna's my ex-wife.
Starting point is 00:22:37 So for three years they've been investigating. What I find quite amusing is they've investigated me of three years with an open checkbook. To investigate every financial transaction, to investigate every link, to investigate everything. And that shit documentary is what they come up with. And I dismantled them in 72 bloody hours. Yeah? Do you know from... You made that in 72 hours?
Starting point is 00:22:58 They sent me the questions on the 26th. They give me to the first to... answer. So I received their allegations on the 26th, which is when I started gathering the evidence and working through it on the 26th. And I flew back to the UK and landed Saturday morning at quarter and then I put it together and I left the UK this morning. So three days we put that together. Do you know what else? Do you know, because I've been reading that they've all been Paul Bates, Dean of the Bricklayer, the traditional bricklayer. There's a whole group of them who have been talking about this. They've been talking about this documentary which is going to end.
Starting point is 00:23:33 me. And I've been waiting for it for a long time. So when you're reading all these things and you know who's conspiring together and you know it's hope not hate, you know, there's Muslim organisations operating with them, you know, all of this is coming together. So it is a concern, it is a worry. But when I got the messages through from them and I found out what they were saying and they had Lauren Pretty as a witness, well, I then thought, I covertly recorded that first meeting and I covertly recorded the first meeting because she was going to kill someone. So I thought, I need to be carefully, yeah? She's talking about murdering people. And I always need to be careful anyway.
Starting point is 00:24:05 So then I was ringing up to check where our footage is to say, have we got the covert recordings? Because I know this is just nonsense. I know it's lies. But if you think about this, Dan, if Elon Musk didn't buy X, one point, if he didn't, and I didn't have those covert recordings, the whole country would have just been told
Starting point is 00:24:23 that I have destroyed, intimidated, and terrorised a grooming rape survivor, that I have robbed funeral money of my best, best mate, yeah, that I have robbed Peter Lynch's money, all of these lies coupled on a mainstream broadcaster. This is where they used to have this power, the mainstream, and luckily I had the covert recordings, luckily I could disprove them, and luckily my documentary is currently on two and a half million views. I'd love to know how many dispatches is wrong, because it's not going to be on that many. Certainly not. But it's caused a whole load of stress. I'd like to thank my team who worked through the night
Starting point is 00:25:00 for three days. We all did. Well, it was incredible. It was an incredible production. I mean, this is honestly, I know you're talking about launching the biggest citizen journalism operation in the world. And this is actually a great example of how we can do things in the independent media in a nimble manner without all of the millions of pounds that Channel 4 has. And let me tell you, it was much more interesting in your documentary. You mentioned Peter Lynch, Tommy. I think it's important that I speak here because you know that I am in touch with Peter Lynch's family. and they are very nervous. You understand how nervous they are and how nervous they have been because of the attacks. It wasn't just Peter Lynch, who was imprisoned. Of course, it was Peter Lynch's son as well. But I can tell you they were watching the documentary and again insisted to me last night that it was the family decision not to take the money because they were desperate to try and protect the reputation of their father. And their belief, Tom, and you can say this is fair or not,
Starting point is 00:26:05 but we know how the mainstream media operates. Their belief was that if they were linked, if Peter was directly linked to you, he would get a much harder time from the authority. So I think it was disgusting that Channel 4 brought it up. And of course you had Sammy Woodhouse confirming in the documentary that she had visited the family of Peter Lynch as well.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Well, I'm sorry that the Lynch family have had to see anything even discussed about him. I'm sorry that I've had to count with it. I'm sorry, yeah? I didn't want to, and I fully understand, look, I don't hold any view. I fully understand that whilst there are other someone's in jail and just the family in general, to be associated with me is dangerous, damaging, because of what the media will do. And not just that, because of the Muslim population and many in the Muslim, within the Islamic community.
Starting point is 00:26:51 So, yeah, I fully understand. And that, again, I'm just, I'm sorry, do you know what the maddest thing here is? I contacted Matt Shea with all the covert recordings to prove that that girl was lying. Yeah? They know she's lying, but I give them them proof. And I asked them, I'll send her the voice. Which one? Because there's a few.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Lauren Pretty. Lauren Pretty. And I sent in the messages saying, just don't do this. Because if you do this, I'm going to have to release everything. And it's not going to be good for her. It's not, it's not going to be good for her. Oh, they don't care about that.
Starting point is 00:27:22 They don't give a damn about that. But they have to. She's cannon fodder to them. I actually sent them their own guidelines to say, you have a duty of care for vulnerable people involved in your documentary and you should not be doing this. And I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. So if you tell me that you're taking her out of your documentary, I need to involve all the videos of evidence that I have that absolutely discredit what she's saying, that absolutely
Starting point is 00:27:48 embarrass what she's saying. I don't want to do it. And then I wasn't aware it was Lauren Southern. Now, I don't know if you remember, again, this is insane. Lawrence Southern, when I exposed panorrama, I recorded Lauren Southern, which she was very unhappy about. I recorded Lauren Southern saying that she was fully aware that while George and Canaan were working for her, that's my old two employees, that they were regularly meeting with Hope Not Hayne. She then confirms that she met with Hope Not Hayne. Now, I recorded that. Now, at the time, you have to understand that Lauren Southern's whole base was ethno-nationalists across Europe, across the world.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Her whole support base was ethno-nationalist, yeah? and who hope not hate are at war with the whole time. So I exposed her. She went missing after that documentary. She was never heard from again. Then she's tried coming back a couple of times. The week she wrote her book, she's coming out with all these outrageous stories.
Starting point is 00:28:46 She's used, do you know, she done an agreement? She done an agreement with Home Not Hate, which is when she come out against me. I done a documentary to expose Home Not Hate. Two weeks before my documentary, Lauren Southern, come out, and done a detailed TV interview, absolutely attacking me. Now, she's done an agreement because she couldn't get in America and she couldn't get in Australia.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And that's where she wanted to be. She's done an agreement to get, because they had her labelled as a far right extremist. She'd done an agreement to get a letter from home or hate that she's not a far right extremist and she's working with anti-racist organizations, blah, blah, blah, to get her into America and to get her visas. That's what she done, yeah?
Starting point is 00:29:23 So if I'd have known that, I'd have put all those facts and evidence in my, documentary to expose her and why she's doing it. So each one of these people, there's a reason why they're doing it. So I just think... What I found nuts, Tommy, is that at the end of the documentary, I just want you to explain this, we obviously just saw those critical moments from dispatches' deception when you show up at the home of Matt Shea.
Starting point is 00:29:47 But why had he been ghosting you? For how long had he stopped taking your calls? because in the documentary in the Channel 4 documentary, they make it look as if they are desperate to talk to you and he's been trying to call you and they play the voice notes that you sent to him threatening a declaration of war. But there's no explanation at all.
Starting point is 00:30:10 There's nothing to show that he was trying to stop speaking to you. From the minute they gave me the allegations, he cut all contacts. So I didn't know what they were wanted to ask me. I didn't know what the question. I tried to get that out of him on the phone. And then when he sent me all the questions, at that point, that's when I can disprove it. That's when I can say, well, that's a lie, that's a lie, that's a lie. So from that point on, he hasn't, he didn't answer his phone once. So from the 26th,
Starting point is 00:30:37 when they sent me their allegations, and I was able to read actually what they're saying, from that point on, he hasn't answered his phone once, and I've tried him so many times, so many times. So then, as you say, I was forced to try and find him, which we did find him, through private investigators. So he found him. And he locked himself in the house. Yeah, yeah. He didn't come out of his house.
Starting point is 00:31:02 For five days, for five days? Because he was too scared of facing you. Is that what your understanding is? They know my MO. They know I'm going to question him. They knew that by the messages I started sending them. So I sent him messages going, eh, eh.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Like, every point he made, I sent a video. I said, Matt, this ain't good, mate, because I've got all the fucking receipts. I'm laughing. So when I'm sending him, I'm saying, you've got no idea how ridiculous you're going to look.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Like, for example, the thing that they used, the public prosecutor, they use the fact that my ex-wife receives money from the publishing company of the book, and what they're implying to the public
Starting point is 00:31:41 is that's me hiding my book money. I have a contracted agreement with that publisher. But Jenna has her own contracted agreement because she works for him, full bloody time. That's who she works for. that company, yeah?
Starting point is 00:31:54 So she does all their stuff, which you got the interview from Danny Lockwood. But he just wouldn't answer his phone. He wouldn't answer his phone once from that point. He'd listen to messages. So the clip I showed you, I'll send you the full clip, because I show me ringing him, not answering,
Starting point is 00:32:10 then I send a voice note, it blew ticks. He listens to it, then I ring him again. And I say, man, you need to answer your phone. You can't give me allegations and not let me answer it, which is what you've done. So all I could do
Starting point is 00:32:22 was giving written allegations, but the questions I wanted to ask him is why I was trying to ask him at a door. Why haven't you done your job? Why didn't you interview the other four girls? Why didn't you interview Bombers' misses when his daughter I told you? You've took situations and you've spun them. Why haven't you looked at any of the other evidence? Why haven't you spoke to Sammy Woodhouse? Why haven't you spoke to Peter Lynch's wife? You could, because you haven't, once you've got the story you want from plants and infiltrators into the movement, like whatever his name was, um, the clown, I forget, like the fellow who sat there saying, I took Peter Lynch's money, then they don't want to find the truth.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Because if they go and interview Peter Lynch's family and they say, no, we refuse it, then they can't run with that new story, can they? So they can't. So to prevent them being able to give the public two sides of the story or give them the evidence, they just took little half-truths, put a load of smoke around them, admitted certain evidence, and then created an entire documentary. Like the lawyer, the other thing you didn't,
Starting point is 00:33:22 get in there, is I went, which I was a bit frustrated, but I know what the team were doing. Before I got on my airplane, yesterday morning, I went into Metro Bank. And I videoed the Metro Bank employee asking him, how much money's in that account? When was the last time money was in that account? He said, no money's gone in for four months. I said, okay, he goes, a month before that, there was £5.50. Month for that, it was £25. But he's making out that I've got this UK account where I'm hiding loads of money or so. It's a basic bank account, basically a children's bank account. You can't have direct debits,
Starting point is 00:33:53 you can't use the card aboard, you can't do anything. You can't do anything, yeah? And even when I'm reading Lauren Southern stuff, I have a limit at $2.50 a day on my bank account. On what can withdraw from a cash point? She's saying, I saw him withdraw thousands in cash at a time. It's like, you're just lying.
Starting point is 00:34:10 You're lying, Lauren. You know what I mean? You're lying, but, oh, you've got that video there, yeah. That's a video of the bank dude. So, but that didn't make it to a documentary, but I got that at the morning. while we're trying to cut and edit all together. There were still a few other bits as well.
Starting point is 00:34:23 If I'd have had more time, oh man, I'd have finished them. That's not because you're trying to do this. They've had three years. You've had three days. And that's the crazy thing about how these documentaries work. Now, Tommy, they weren't really hiding, though, what they were trying to do in the documentary. I think it's important that we talk about the wider point.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Yes, they want to jail you, but it is also very clear that they want to discourage patriots from donating to Unite the Kingdom because Unite the Kingdom and especially the Unite the Kingdom rallies are now such a threat that they want people to believe that when they are donating to, for example, raise for the sound system
Starting point is 00:35:01 or the security or whatever it happens to be at an event like this, which is in a very expensive event, that actually this money is going into your pocket. So can you just reassure people that the fundraising for Unite the Kingdom was legitimate and that the Patriots who are putting you know, five or 10 pounds in their pocket to pay for that event are actually not having
Starting point is 00:35:24 their funds misused. They've tried to attack me, slander me, demonised me, haven't worked, yeah? They've imprisoned us. It hasn't worked. They're now looking at how do we stop him? How do we stop what they're doing? We stop the money, yeah? They know that we rely on donations.
Starting point is 00:35:42 And they're right in what they're saying because their smears and their campaigns have been successful. And it must be boring for the people who are on our database who are continually saying, can you help us, can you help us? We've got now a £5,800 bill, because we didn't expect the bill for private investigators for five days, 25 hours a day, we've got $5,800 bill. So we have these bills that we need help paying. We don't have no massive donors.
Starting point is 00:36:07 We're not a corporation. We're by the people for the people. Now what, and when we put on events that would have made the establishment shit themselves, that bring millions into our capital city that have just, J.D. Vance, from America, the vice president, lending his support. The vice president, lending his support afterwards. These are monumental moments for the British state. It's embarrassing and they're worried, yeah. So what can they do? They have to, through any means, discredit, an attempt to convince people not to support us. Now, I've had an attack
Starting point is 00:36:40 since September 13th. That's when the whole work for Israel paid by Israel Mossad. That was their attack. So I go through and literally under comments, they're all, they're all bots. And there's a constant bot attack under any of my videos and anything I'm saying to say I worked for Israel and there was not one claim, to clarify, there was not one claim in the documentary by Channel 4 that you had taken Israeli money. What's there? Do you know, I was funny, Dan? So I hope my hate on this. When I went bankrupt in 2021, I went bankrupt and I was nine months into the bankruptcy and it gets, it gets discarded after 12 months. And Hope Not Hayt come in and took over the bankruptcy,
Starting point is 00:37:21 privately funded £200,000 to further investigate. So Hope Not Hayt had every bank account I've had. They had every bit of my detailed finances. There's nothing. Yeah? That's what I said to Matt. I don't know if they played the recording. I haven't watched their documentary yet because I was on a fly.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Don't know. I haven't watched it. I've done it. When I sent him the voice note, I said, Matt, where are the fucking millions, man, you're implying I've got millions. Where are they? You do hear that.
Starting point is 00:37:51 And Dan, I'm going back now when I'm back in the UK. How are you? I've got court fees, £180,000. Wow. I've got all these fees again. And that they come, they're still on me from the silence case. So when I played the film silence, they give me 18 months. The day I walked out of jail, which is only just over a year ago,
Starting point is 00:38:09 they handed me £180,000. So when you will be returning to the United Kingdom, just to clarify that, you are going to, to be declared bankrupt again. Yes. So there are no hidden millions, that's what you're saying. There are no hidden bloody millions.
Starting point is 00:38:22 And again, when I go bankrupt, you have the biggest investigation that goes through everything. They had me on oath. Do you have assets? Do you have hidden financial agreements for anything hidden? And you have to answer on oath.
Starting point is 00:38:36 We go jail. So I've gone through it all. I'm about to do it again. There's no hidden millions. There's no millions coming from Israel. When people donate, it doesn't come to me. It goes to the company that I work for.
Starting point is 00:38:49 I work for a company with six, seven full-time employees, and we manage our pages, we manage our journalism. We're about to, Dan, just sneak peek. We're about to launch a new media network, which is entirely citizen journalists-led. I'm so excited about it. And only citizen journalists, and it's about bringing all of those hard-working people
Starting point is 00:39:12 outside hotels, making mini-documentaries. It's about bringing them all together to rival any media network in the world. We will be there before you. We will be on the streets at the demonstrations that you're not at, and we will have access to the public that you don't have.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Because when you turn up, they hate you. When we turn up, they'll embrace us. And we know we're there to be there. We saw that in Portsmouth. And actually, we saw that in the Channel 4 documentary last night because you didn't see it, Tommy, yet. actually there are a lot of patriots at Unite the Kingdom who find out that Matt Shea is working for Channel 4 and they will not speak to him. Now, Tommy, there are a couple of other big things that have been going on involving you over the past couple of days.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Now, I imagine you probably haven't seen a lot of this given you've been so hard at work on the dispatcher's expose. So I want to talk you through them and get your reaction. there was a big cultural moment at the National Television Awards. Have you heard about the National Television Awards, Tommy? This is like the big ITV. So it's the big ITV awards. You know, Holly Willoughby presents. Anton Decker always there, very, very mainstream.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Politics are usually kept out of it. But Kelly Osborne was there. And on the red carpet, a leftist organization, LGBTQ organization, wanted to get her effectively to turn on her own mother and slam you. I saw it. I saw the clip. Yeah, so in case people haven't, this is the awkward exchange.
Starting point is 00:40:48 She said she supported the Tommy Robinson March. The who? The Tommy Robinson March. I don't agree. I don't agree with her. I don't agree with her. There's one thing that I can say that I don't agree with her.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Yeah. It's hard because I love my mom. I also have to understand she's entitled to her own opinions as well. and it's really hard when it comes to politics and things like that. I mean, Tommy, that broke my heart. Kelly Osbourne is clearly not well at the moment, grieving the loss of her father.
Starting point is 00:41:18 And those scum try and force her into slamming her own mother. Sadly, she did, but you could tell she didn't really want to. And this is all because Sharon Osborne said that she wanted to attend and support Unite the Kingdom. What did you make of that clip? How did you feel about it? It's not fair. because what it's doing, and she's obviously worried and rightfully so,
Starting point is 00:41:42 because she watched her mum. They try and cancelled her mum because of what she said. Now, so I don't feel anything. And I understand, I've told people myself, Dan, yeah, just hang me, buff. When things have been going on, like a business that I go to was regularly contacted and under attack, I said, just hang me, say, hate me, whatever you need to say to get yourself away from this. If it's affecting your family, just throw me under the bus.
Starting point is 00:42:05 I don't care, yeah? I don't care. because I understand the pressure. So when they're asking her that question, she has to jump to a defence. She has to, sorry, my phone keeps, that's Lawrence Foxxring me. He can wait.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Yeah, Lawrence, I've just read buttoned him. Sorry, Lawrence. So, but yeah, I get, I don't think it's fair the situation they put her in. They're trying to get her to turn against her mum. I felt bad with what they were doing to her mum, but also when her mum spoke out,
Starting point is 00:42:36 and I don't know if you saw Duncan Bannetine, this week. This is a shift in culture. This is a shift in the open window that celebrities are now speaking. Because for 30 years, none of them dare even speak. Now, unfortunately, I'd say watching Kelly Osborne, I don't know what she believes. Even if she was sympathetic to her mother or to me in any way, she can't say that. She'd be ended. She'd be ended. So I don't blame her. I don't blame her if it's one way or the other, yeah? People who don't support me or agree with me, I usually find don't know enough about me. They've been lied to.
Starting point is 00:43:17 They've watched something like dispatches last night. There was something more disgusting, though, Tommy, where I don't think you can excuse the person involved at all. This is the state broadcaster of Australia, right? He's called him an answer. Governments. He's calling me an answer. Yeah, literally calling you an answer. pop up on my phone, literally just two minutes.
Starting point is 00:43:37 We'll watch the full thing now. It's not long. It is just to set it up, by the way. This is about Carl Stefanovic, huge Australian TV star, lost his mainstream media career because he dared to interview you on his new podcast in London. That's why they're interested in this.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Look. Now some sad news for you. Yes, some of you will have already noticed, but unfortunately, Carl Stefanovic doesn't seem to be putting any of his podcast. anymore. It hasn't coming out for the last two weeks. This does also coincide
Starting point is 00:44:18 with the running out of his advertising deal with Ringers Western country clothing. Hang in a second. Are you telling me that this was just about making us try to buy a particular band of jeans? I thought this was all about Carl letting us know about important
Starting point is 00:44:36 UK Nazis that he admired. Carl, was this just about the jeans? What if there are other Nazis overseas that I don't know about? Karl Stefanovic? Don't tell me it was all about the money. Oh, this is just tragic. Tragic news. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:44:55 To see the death of this podcasting empire that burn bright for a short period of time. I mean, this is the state broadcaster in Australia, literally referring to you as an Nazi. Telling the whole of Australia, I'm a Nazi. Yeah. I haven't seen that. I just saw, literally before I was getting on with you, I saw Avi Yemeni pop up on my phone saying ABC have just called you a Nazi. So that must have just happened, is it?
Starting point is 00:45:19 I'm guessing. Happened overnight. I should sue them. I should, I should sue them. Again, it's finding, we struggle to find a defamation lawyer. I can find criminal lawyers, but I've struggled all the time to find a defamation lawyer that will represent us. Even my last two wrongful arrests.
Starting point is 00:45:36 You know, my last two wrongful arrests, proven in court as unlawful, illegal, both judges politically motivated, shouldn't have happened. It was disgraceful. The police went against their own rules, which is a guaranteed success for an unfair arrest, illegal arrest. And when I'm ringing all the solicitors, none of them represent me. Men, no. Then, Tommy, I really need to speak to you about Nigel Farage
Starting point is 00:46:00 because after the first action in Dover by the Patriot platform at the weekend, Nigel immediately came out and described them as disgusting in an interview with GB News. He then U-turned on the Sunday and tried to say, oh, no, no, no, these people in Portsmouth, also all organised by Danny Tomo, your sort of protégé, were all different. They were all fine for some reason. In other words, someone had a word in his air and saying, these are your party supporters that you're slacking off.
Starting point is 00:46:34 But now the BBC has released new footage. from Nigel, this is just out, yet again, slamming the protesters and suggesting that the police should take action and arrest them if they don't remove their balaclavas. Watch this. Speak, there are seemingly hundreds of protesters at the court of Dover, masked men dressed in black. It appears from what we know to be an anti-migration protest, but we don't have very much detail.
Starting point is 00:47:00 But I wonder, what is your response to what we know so far? What should the authorities do? Should they go and clear the port? How should they handle it? Do you know, I remember an event in Cornwall last year where Antifa turned up, masked, and physically hurt some members of the public having him to hear me speak. I don't care whether you're Antifa. I don't care whether you're some group protesting about migrants in a channel.
Starting point is 00:47:27 You should not be allowed to be masked up, Balaclavada, and go out and protest on the streets of our country. It is wrong at every level. So I deplore what is happening in Dublin. So should the police go in and arrest people? I mean, what should they do? They should be told they have to remove their face coverings. As simple as that. If they don't, the police should act.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Now, when you first saw Nigel Farage, you simply posted two words on ex, Tommy, if reform. Rupert Lowe has obviously come out in support of the Patriot platform. How do you feel about this new interview with Farage? Nigel can't read the room. Nigel, Nigel is that far out of touch of the people who have been voting for reform.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Every time he says something, I think, do you not understand who support you? And why they're supporting you? And if you read, and everyone's supporting the men in Dover? Do you know why they're supporting men in Dover? Because we're sick to death.
Starting point is 00:48:23 They're supporting Danny and the tactics. And do you know what? Danny has been proven 100% right why all those men covered their face this week. And you can see it. What Nigel are? I just saying, it's all very well from your ivory tower, Nigel.
Starting point is 00:48:37 You don't have to go back and live amongst these Islamic ghetto gangs, yeah? Some of those men do. Some of those men will have to walk out of their house and be surrounded by heroin dealing, pimping Muslim gangs, yeah? And they'll be in danger. That's maybe why they're covering their face, Nigel. They're not all protected with big gates of their houses, and they don't all live in secluded little beautiful errands.
Starting point is 00:48:58 That's not it. So these men will be affected. Not just that, you can lose your job. We've seen NHS workers losing their own. job for saying anything about immigration, let alone go into a protest against it. You lose your job. We don't have free speech, don't have freedom of assembly, all the big corporations you get kicked out of and you lose your job. Not just that, as has now been proven, you're targeted, not by little left-wing anti-fascist or extremist groups. You're not targeted by them. You're
Starting point is 00:49:25 targeted by the weapon of the state, the mainstream media. What they've just done to Danny Tomo's mum. And that has proved all of it. It absolutely has proven this is why they covered their face. You didn't just put Danny Tomo's mum's name and a name and where she lives in the paper. You give the location a name of his brother and where he works, as well as his sister. Innocent family members got nothing to do with Danny Tomi's politics, got nothing to do with what he's doing, his actions, and you have endangered them. You put a target on them like you do to everyone. So you wanted, by naming where he works, that is done by the paper, so people then. on the left,
Starting point is 00:50:01 given the locations to contact his work, to harass his work, to make his brother lose his job. And I rang Danny, and I said, Danny, because I've had this, but mate,
Starting point is 00:50:12 and I don't know if I would like me saying this, he was breaking down. Yeah? I said, bro, let me tell you. And his mum's crying, his eyes out, she's terrified, all of this is going on.
Starting point is 00:50:23 The whole family. I said, Danny, they've done this to me when I started the English defence. They went for all of the family, yeah? They went for the ex-wife family. They raided houses.
Starting point is 00:50:34 They done my cousin. They done my mum and dad. They done all this. Now, the reason for that is that all of your family are turning on you. All of them are crying and begging you to stop. All of this is about putting pressure. And you see right now, Dan, if your brother's arguing with you, and your sister's arguing with you, and your mum's arguing with you,
Starting point is 00:50:52 you're giving them exactly what they want is, yeah, if they are. But I get it because they've terrified them. They've terrified them. Now this is targeting by the establishment media, which is exactly what they've done to me after the Southport Ryers. They travelled over, made me the front pageant story, and photographed my ex-wife. Do you know dispatches put a picture of my ex-wife on TV last night?
Starting point is 00:51:15 Dispatches, there's no pictures of my ex-wife. She has lots of threats, Osmond warnings, to attack her with acid. And you, as a mainstream media, go out and sick photos of her. That she doesn't put out of herself. She's not live on social media with an open account. She's never photographed herself. She's never turned up at one political rally. She's never involved herself in any politics.
Starting point is 00:51:35 She's tried to keep herself out of it. Because again, it's my politics. It's not hurts. But that's what they do. They go for your weak spot, for your Achilles Hill. What's your Achilles Hill? Your family. That's what they're doing. So Nigel Fry's been proven wrong again, proven out of touch with everyone.
Starting point is 00:51:48 And do you know what it is? He looks down on us. That's the reality. When I say us, I mean working class Britain, you don't give a fuck. So when he sees working class men, he's looking down his nose. So that's why he was so quick to use the word
Starting point is 00:52:01 they're disgusting. That's a pretty strong word. You're not calling Muslims. You're not calling Muslims disgusting. You're not calling any of them disgusting. When they wore balaclavas five months ago walking through Tower Hamlets, hundreds and hundreds of them,
Starting point is 00:52:16 I didn't hear Nigel piping up then. I haven't heard Nigel say a word right now about what the Daily Mail has just done to Danny Tomo. Nigel don't care. He only spoke about debanking when it affected him. we were debanked my first account was closed in 2009 when I started the defense league and we've publicly gone about this but nigel's never spoke up for anyone Nigel speaks up for Nigel that's it and and obviously he realized within 12 hours of
Starting point is 00:52:42 making those comments that it was backfiring because all his own supporters are angry because they're supporting the men in the balaclavas and they understand why they're wearing balaclavas and there's a civil war within the party now totally peaceful demonstration So it's one word, what Nigel could have said and should have said, look, it looks medicine. It doesn't really look great, yeah? So I don't agree with the image that it's putting out, but I do understand the frustrations of these men. Now, when you think about it, these men are angry and they don't want to resort to violence.
Starting point is 00:53:13 And they're trying to get the authorities to bloody listen, listen to us, do something, change it, because violence is coming. So these are warnings. That is a coordinated, organised warning. Do something. Because men are getting angry across this country and we want you... We've been ignored for 20, 30 years in the ballot box.
Starting point is 00:53:35 People have voted to reduce migration and they've just ignored it. I would argue the Patriots have been ignored for 60 years, actually. I mean, they've been ignored since Enoch Powell when it comes to mass immigration. And Tommy, just finally, I want to ask you about Danny Tomo because a couple of interesting things that you will have seen. Immediately the mainstream media link him to you as a way to destroy him, deride him.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Obviously, he is your prologé in some ways, but are you pulling the strings? Are you involved in the Patriot platform? Is this something that you support from a distance? What's your actual involvement and relationship now with Danny? what he's doing. Is it informal? Is it a friendship? Are you involved?
Starting point is 00:54:25 Danny's my friend. Danny's my friends. And I'd say, I'll now say at present, I'm a fan of Danny. I'm a fan of Danny. So, Danny can see that what Danny's doing is needed. So two things are needed. United Kingdom's needed. What Danny's doing is needed.
Starting point is 00:54:44 They're both totally separate. Totally separate. We want to hold cultural events, family events, but there needs to be a mobilisation of men. That's had to happen. That has to happen. Men need to get organised in their towns and their cities and they try and throw all this stuff at Danny. And again, it's not going to work.
Starting point is 00:55:03 People don't care what the media are saying. People don't care. And I didn't think Danny could pull off what he pulled off. So obviously, look, Danny's my mate. I know what they were doing and I know all the meetings that are going on. But I didn't think Danny could pull it off. I said, because I thought the police would raid him the night before. So when we had the English Defence League,
Starting point is 00:55:21 50 of us got in the back of a lute with Balaclavers on. When we got on the M25, and we were setting up EDL hit squad, which was, we were going to go into Peter Fowl's houses, groomers, and we were going to warn them, and we were going to say to him,
Starting point is 00:55:35 that seven days to vacate the property, you've got three spare bedrooms, it's a 1.2 million pound house, and British people need that house, not your terrorist family. That was our plan. But when we got on the M25, they shut the M25,
Starting point is 00:55:46 and when the back of the van opened, we all had big dots of us. So they come, we didn't have weapons, we weren't going to go for violence, we were going to give a warning to Abu Hamza, to Abu Hamza and the terrorists saying, you're not being left alone anymore, yeah? At the time, I'm glad we didn't get there in hindsight and at the time. But Danny, what Danny's doing is organized, very, very disciplined.
Starting point is 00:56:08 In fact, I've done a sit-down, exclusive interview with Danny about all of this, which goes out tomorrow. On your channel. On my channel, yeah. Brilliant. What people need to understand, just what need to understand. Because I'm speaking to Danny a whole time before it. Bring your prison bag, rough.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Get a prison bag packed. Get your pants packed. Get your socks packed. In case your kids could buy when you walk out of the house. Because it's coming, right? So I'm saying, understand what's coming.
Starting point is 00:56:32 And he's, like, when this was all hit with a daily mail, he's on the phone to me saying, I don't know how you fucking dealt with it. I don't know how you deal with this. I don't know how you've got. But Danny knew full well. So when you look at someone doing something,
Starting point is 00:56:43 which I am, you have to give a level of respect that each of those men know there's a risk. They're men that are turned up there are ordinary, hardworking British men who are willing to sacrifice and take a risk. They're willing to, as is Danny.
Starting point is 00:57:00 So there's no glory in this. Danny, I'm talking to him every day. Danny's not making loads of money out of this. Yeah? And his whole family in unity is being fucking destroyed from it. So I look at some people, and people are always quick to criticize, but they're criticized why,
Starting point is 00:57:16 well, they're doing nothing. It's like, look, men are angry, they're frustrated, and they're trying to find a way to push that message and in a peaceful manner. So I congratulate Danny on the work he's done, on the commitment he's done, and I look forward to what's coming. Amazing. So you do.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Tommy. Your YouTube is the place to be then, because at Tommy Robinson's YouTube, you can watch the dispatcher's deception in full now. It is absolutely brilliant. cannot believe your team put it together in three days. Congratulations to the guys at Urban Scoop because it is an amazing, amazing production. I was completely captivated, even though I was watching at something like 1.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:57:59 And of course, you will be dropping that big interview, exclusive interview with Danny Tomo, too. But really, really appreciate the time today, Tommy. Thank you so much. Thanks, Sam. People are good work, mate. Cheers, bro. Bye-bye. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:58:11 And now the superstar panel. The enemies lurking in the mainstream media and political establishment. want to distract you from the erosion of this nation's culture as London's Islamist mayor turns the iconic and Christian St. Paul's Cathedral into a drug-fueled nightclub. But before we get to that latest cultural atrocity, we can see this madness across our disunited kingdom as Cardiff Council flew the Pakistan flag on Cardiff Castle of all places in what increasingly looks like a conquered country. Watch this.
Starting point is 00:59:13 And then you've got Labor's suicidal empath, Stella Creasy. You know, she likes to say, oh, I'm a feminist, but is prepared to sit with a group of Pakistani Muslim men promoting themselves by having this procession through East London for Muhammad's birthday, a march where I saw no woman, did you? I'm just looking? No. Didn't say any, neither did G.B. News star Dawn Nason, who pointed out lovely to see so many women enjoying the birthday party,
Starting point is 01:00:19 to which Stella replied, Hi, Dawn. They made this video just for people like you. But Reform UK's Nadine Dories noted why are they hiding their faces. Stella is that the Waltham Stowe you want to represent, one where women are forced to cover up and have the status of second-class citizens. Viv Turner added, the UK is lost. Here is an MP who claims to be a feminist, who whooping with young women, possibly teenagers,
Starting point is 01:00:51 who have to cover up their hair and faces. We have accepted the suppression of women far too readily. But Greasy doubled down, and I just want you here that the main thing to do is look at the room. Look at the Islamists in the room as she speaks. Now, it is now 46 years that we, We have been proudly, proudly celebrating Miladynabille in Walsam Stowe. And today, I venture, has been the best march that we have done in 40.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I've only been for 20 of them, so I might have missed something. With Remarkhouse Ward, that's what. Always with the Frickshaw. But this is really important. We could not do this without the hard work of everybody involved in organising the march. May I pay tribute to all the people who've worked to put this together. Thank you also for logistics. See the Islamist man?
Starting point is 01:01:53 She knew that women like that about the road closures in Woodham Stone. To have somebody else in charge today is wonderful. I've got to go so efficiently. No women again. No women again, apart from the police in the room. So she knew that folk like me were going to be looking at that. And so she actually boasted. She boasted, she sneered in our face, and she did that revolting thing as the 25th anniversary of 9-11 comes around.
Starting point is 01:02:23 That revolting thing of claiming that Islam is the religion of peace, love and harmony. There is a serious point to make today, which is about why it matters to us as a community, not just to live alongside each other, but to live well with each other. This time last year when I spoke at this event, the speech I made was picked up by the right-wing media and seen as part of some conspiracy. So let me say this loudly and clearly for those who watch. We are proud in Wolfram Stowe of our diversity. We are proud to live together. We know that the message of Islam is peace and love.
Starting point is 01:03:02 And on the streets today, when you heard that ringing out, you saw the community rise together. And we will keep rising together. to sell those people who say that we must be divided by religion because we have different views and different opinions that we cannot live well together to come to Walthamstow and see for themselves the truth of what it looks like to truly share the message of harmony and love
Starting point is 01:03:25 that our religions bring to us because you are no advocate for any religion if you do not live the values that it teaches you. Do not lecture me. There was no peace and love with the women being covered up And our Christian building's now been systematically invaded with London's Islamist Mers' Mercedes-Kahn, turning St. Paul's Cathedral into a drug-fueled rave hall as he boasted fabric. That's the nightclub shut down over drug offences at one point.
Starting point is 01:03:54 St. Paul's Cathedral, name a more iconic duo. Bringing together these two institutions will create a one-of-a-kind experience pairing world-class music with one of our most special landmarks. But Turner, Bev Turner, was added again, in Outkarn's hypocrisy. Correct me if I'm wrong, she said, but I doubt there is a single mosque in the UK that would allow this.
Starting point is 01:04:13 The brilliant Douglas Murray chimed in. London Central Mosque is also an iconic venue. When is the Rave? And that got me thinking, so I replied actually to Douglas, let's make it a gay club night. Kelly J Keane was in on that too. G.Y is doing a residency at London Central Mosque. And Robbie Travers added,
Starting point is 01:04:32 what entrance to the mosque will the trans women and drag queens use at the rave? But there is a serious point to all of this, of course, UKIP leader Nick Tenconi writing, there is nothing iconic about defiling a cathedral and turning it into a nightclub. St. Paul's Cathedral is a house of God, not a landmark. The cathedral was built to worship God almighty.
Starting point is 01:04:51 For centuries, Christians have attended St. Paul's to pray, repent, mourn, give thanks, and to worship God. Not only that, but the cathedral is also a site where Christians are laid to rest, including British heroes, Admiral Horatio Nelson, and the Duke of Wellington. Now we see Sadiq Khan a static, a house of God be desecrated and delighted that it is in some twisted way a cultural achievement.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Will Sadiq can't be hosted in a nightclub in a mosque? We must end the cultural vandalism of our faith and our nation. And I'm delighted to bring in the superstar panel now. Counselor George Madgwick, he is the leader of the former UK group on the Hampshire County Council. He has gone viral for attending those Patriot. platform protests over the weekend. Indeed. And Britain's on one political prisoner, Lucy Connolly, too.
Starting point is 01:05:43 So great to have you both here. George, look, it's very interesting, isn't it, when you see the political establishment so quick to slam the Patriots in Dover and Portsmouth over the weekend, while seemingly ignoring, constantly ignoring so many of the negativities of the Islamist faith. Yeah, I mean, I was furious the other night when I heard that Labor labeled the people in Portsmouth thugs. I just thought it was so wildly unacceptable. As you said in your preamble there, I was all over the place on Sunday evening. I got there at four o'clock. It was just
Starting point is 01:06:26 literally outside my house. And I was there till three in the morning. And let me tell you, Dan, it was so far from thuggery and intimidatory behavior. I, I just couldn't believe it come out of Labor's mouth. I really couldn't. You know, it was just a bare-faced lie. And I think that... Was your leader Nigel Farage wrong to call them disgusting? The protesters disgusting on the first day?
Starting point is 01:06:46 Well, I think, you know, Dover and Portsmouth are entirely separate. I believe he called the Balaclav or the situation, the Balaclavas. He viewed that as disgusting. Listen, what I will say, Dan, is that I'm a little bit nuanced about the situation. If you ask me a couple of days ago, my opinion has changed. when I was reporting live from Portsmouth for a couple of news networks, I was actually surrounded by a number of people in Balaclavas. And when my interview finished, they did approach me in quite an aggressive manner because of the words that Nigel said. And I understand why wearing Balaclavas is intimidating to people that they probably don't intend it to give anxiety to. But then you look at, as I say, what happened to Danny Tomo's family. And it makes you second guess that stance. So, At the moment, to be honest with you, I'm in a period of educating myself. No, I'm glad you're prepared to be nuanced about it because I think that nuance is actually really important.
Starting point is 01:07:44 I mean, I watched your interview on The Daily Tea. I guess the only thing that surprised me is you seem to take it as like a boast as a good thing. I spoke about it on the show, actually. I played the clip that these protesters, these Patriot Platform members were telling you, oh, we're not voting for Reform UK. We're voting for Restore Britain. Now, you viewed that as a positive thing. And I think this is where your party is at a little bit.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Like Richard and Nigel think, well, this is good because it sort of distances us from that lot. You know, that's what Richard Ties called the Tommy Robinson supporters. Whereas I look at it, George, it's like, oh, my God, you guys need to get these people. You know, these are patriots. These are good human beings. And you need them to vote for Reform UK.
Starting point is 01:08:26 So I just don't think reform has got the messaging right. around this. Do you understand where I'm coming from? I was speaking to people on the night. And look, you know, the one thing is clear is that however it happens, in whatever methodology it happens and whatever middle ground we find, the right-leaning side of politics has got to unite in some capacity. Now, whether that's through organised voting or however it is, we have to, because otherwise, at this next general election, heaven forbid, we could end up having a Labour minority government propped up by Greens and having Greens in power. And that should be terrifying for us.
Starting point is 01:09:01 all. So we've got to stop this, and you've probably seen yourself down, this toxic environment online where we kind of battle and attack one another. We need to understand that we're all kind of slightly on the same path. We all believe in the same things. We all love our country and see the desecration of our country in different forms. I mean, I'm in Portsmouth. We're the home of migration. We've got 800 migrants living in this city, which is more than anywhere in Hampshire combined. I know it too well. You've been invaded. We've got hotels. Yeah, we've got hotels here. we literally had a Iraqi foreign national arrested and charged last week for the rape of a 14 year old boy. Obviously that investigation is pending so we won't discuss it.
Starting point is 01:09:36 But I know it all too well. It's absolutely horrifying. It's horrendous. And what we need to do is on our side of politics is we just need to somehow stop arguing with one another and somehow find a method of moving forward. I agree with that. And I agree with all of the work you're doing locally. But let me bring Lucy Connolly in.
Starting point is 01:09:56 Lucy, can you understand what I'm saying and what Tommy Robinson also had to say to me, which is that he doesn't think Nigel Farage has really got the tone right around all of this by sort of describing the protesters as disgusting. Richard Tice said they were a militia. Our lovely superstar panelist, George, said, oh, don't worry. They're all restored Britain supporters. It's like, I think you need these guys. You know?
Starting point is 01:10:29 Yeah, I kind of see all sides to it. And I do agree with the George. You know, I would be, I hadn't, if I hadn't seen those protests and the fact that they were peaceful, and I didn't know that there'd been no arrests, and I didn't know what they were about, I would have instantly slammed a grief of guys rocking up in all black wearing black balaclavas.
Starting point is 01:10:51 Let's not pretend that, you know, historically, balaclavas face coverings aren't worn, you know, to try and intimidate. date people because they are. But equally, I'm totally on board with the fact that these guys are just trying to, you know, protect their country, protect their families. It was peaceful. And I do completely appreciate that, you know, if they are recognised, we know damn well that there was a good chance that they will lose their jobs and their livelihoods and not be able to feed their families and pay their mortgage next week. We know full well that the left is being banging on, you know,
Starting point is 01:11:25 the company's doors that they work for telling them they should be sacked, etc, etc. That happens. It happens every day. That's a real, you know, problem we have in the UK right now. So I can completely understand and empathise with the fact that they went there in those face coverings. Yeah, totally. I mean, George, I guess the one area where I would sort of say, at least Reform UK is having some consistency. And I do value the consistency is that Nigel Farage has also now come out and said, okay, he wants Balaclavs, but he also wants the hijab band, you know, Muslim-faced coverings bands, because it was interesting. I saw this metropolitan
Starting point is 01:12:02 police deputy today come out on Times radio and start talking about how sinister it was. And I just posted, the mask wearing is sinister for the native white patriots, but it's completely fine when it involves the total subjugation of Muslim women. Does the Met Police not understand we are over this hypocritical bullshit, like Dunn? And I do think that is an issue.
Starting point is 01:12:24 If you were going to say it's completely fine for Muslim women to walk around like that, seriously, and yet it's not okay for a patriot to cover up their face because they know that there is facial recognition going on, then I think that is hypocrisy. So at least, I guess, reform has the position of being consistent. I will at least give you that, George. Yeah, I mean, you're right. It would be hypocritical to say anything otherwise. I mean, I've been quite firm on this for years.
Starting point is 01:12:54 My position on it is not changed and never will change on it. I think that it's a disgrace in my opinion to be able to do that. I mean, I saw with my own eyes as well, block voting in a polling station and an interesting... Really? What happened? Yeah, well, I saw cars literally turn up. This was in Slough. It was in By-elect and in Slough in a couple of months ago. And a call was made out and they said, oh, we're looking like we're going to lose this.
Starting point is 01:13:16 Within 15 minutes, there was cars turn up, literally cars turn up of people. in hijab and otherware. Muslim people you're talking about. Yes, yeah, absolutely. And they, you know, shook the hand of the man before they went inside and went in there. And, you know, the pole station clerk did clock it very quickly and did make note of it and kind of stop it.
Starting point is 01:13:37 But the intention was still there. It still happened. And they were having conversations prior to going into the polling booth. So, and it's one of those things where you don't know who is behind there. You don't know who's behind there, you know. And we saw it in Gorton and Denton. and remember, you know, that was just pushed shoved under the carpet. Like there was all of this evidence of family voting on the night.
Starting point is 01:14:00 And Nigel made a big thing about it. But then of course, immediately it's like, oh, no, nothing to see here. It was all an exaggeration. It's appalling. And it is something we absolutely have to deal with. But I guess all I'm wanting for is consistency. And I guess at least there is the consistency from Reform UK saying, okay, we want to ban the bala club or we also want to ban the hijab.
Starting point is 01:14:18 That is consistency. but I do stand by the fact that Reform UK should want the Patriot platform voting for them. These people are not disgusting. I said to Kemi Badenok too on X earlier in the week, they're not thugs. I say to Nigel Farage, they're not disgusting. I say to Richard Tice, they're not a militia. These are people who you need if you want to be in government. Breaking today, Britain's political prisoner Lucy Connolly to launch legal action against the Guardian newspaper,
Starting point is 01:14:48 but those disgusting leftists there after a slur involving Mike Graham. She posted on X, lawyer up, Guardian. Unless you correct the nonsense you write about me and issue me with an apology, you will be hearing from my lawyers. I'm sick to death of the MSM and the lies they peddle. You destroy lives and think nothing of it. I did go to jail for a tweet,
Starting point is 01:15:12 and I called for nothing. Now Lucy's going to be here imminently to explain exactly why what the Guardian is doing is wrong here. But she has received support from Mike Graham, who added good on you, Lucy. They hate us and they hate our common sense, solidarity, darling. So how did we get to this point? Okay, let me explain.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Mike Graham, and you know I've been very supportive of him doing this, ever since he left talk TV, has become one of the independent media sensations, and he has now transitioned his channel, Mike Graham, which was very successful, into a wider network called UK Live. And one of the signings on that channel is Liz Trust. And you know the Guardian completely despise Liz Trust. So this is how they wrote in a totally mocking and sneering sense about this major launch, describing it as the channel of a broadcaster famous for a grow concrete exchange.
Starting point is 01:16:08 Now, I actually think this is one of Mike Graham's greatest moments, right? He loves, he loves this moment. And so let's enjoy it. it morning Mike oh hello what you glued to Cameron uh just your screen unfortunately unfortunately what do you do for a living Cameron I'm a carpenter a carpenter right so how safe is that for the climate well I work with timber which is a much more sustainable material rather than concrete I also work with trees that have been cut down then don't you it's a sustainable building practice how is it sustainable if you're killing trees
Starting point is 01:16:50 Because it's regenerative, you can grow trees. Right. Well, you can grow all sorts of things, can't you? Well, you can't grow concrete. You can. See you, Cameron. Cheerio. That was Cameron.
Starting point is 01:17:10 He grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them. Brilliant. Marvelous. I don't think I ever want to talk to any of those people. So good. But of course, for The Guardian, that's all that matters. Mike Graham is concrete man. You know, it doesn't matter that he's built up this hugely successful channel,
Starting point is 01:17:26 after leaving Talk TV in terrible circumstances. They are also very staring about Liz Truss, of course. In this article, they said her podcast episodes hosted on YouTube, often received fewer than 4,000 views each, which is understood to be below the amount generally needed to monetise a video. Now, Trust, they write, is relaunching her podcast and joining the former Talk TV host Mike Graham's YouTube channel, UK Live, where she will be live streaming twice a week.
Starting point is 01:17:49 And this was the launch of her show on Mike Graham's channel this week. Welcome to the Liz Trust Show. Today I'm joined by Rafe Heidel Mankew, a historian to talk about the British Empire. Rafe, we've heard this week that the United Nations is demanding not any reparations for the alleged crimes of the British Empire, but also that we erect statues of African leaders in Britain. What's your response to that? Well, I think they should take a very long walk on a very short pier. I completely agree with you about the mine-line influence of Tony Blair and the takeover he achieved of the institutions, which wasn't reversed under the Conservative government.
Starting point is 01:18:33 But don't you think the rock goes back longer than that? I think it goes back to the predecessor of the United Nations, the League of Nations. And British politicians at the time in the early 20th century were spending their time worrying about international cooperation rather than the condition of British citizens. I think this has been a disease of the British elite for a very long time.
Starting point is 01:18:58 But I'll tell you what The Guardian wants to do. It wants to shut down us, right? All of us who now don't have our strings pulled by the mainstream media, because the article goes on to say, the rise of YouTube has created a home for those shunned by mainstream outlets, but its growth has also, in effect,
Starting point is 01:19:16 created a whole world of broadcasting outside of the regulated world. of mainstream TV. And it quotes Chris Bennett Vlava, who was Offcom's founding director of standards, so clearly a woke leftist, saying since Offcom took over broadcast regulation in 2003, the way we watched television has changed beyond recognition. We now have a huge range of content that looks and feels like television. Hmm, wonder what they mean. And is often available on the same television set, but isn't subject to the same standards. Viewers may have no idea whether what they are watching is regulated by offcom or not,
Starting point is 01:19:50 and these regulatory grey areas are only likely to grow. Please, please, people are going to be okay. Then they came to this slur on Lucy Connolly, and they were referring to this interview, actually, take a look. The thing is, Mike, how many times can one person apologise? I apologised at the time. I took the tweet down of my own accord without anyone telling me to once I'd calm down. I've always accepted that it was the wrong thing to say.
Starting point is 01:20:23 I've always accepted it wasn't my finest moment. I've apologised to Lumpur in the face. I'm not apologising anymore. I did my time. You know, this is what people fail to understand. I did 12.4 months in prison and I'm now on probation for the next, you know, 12 point whatever. I've done my time. You know, I paid the price for what, you know, for some words that I wrote higher price than, you know, what people vaping children and such like do.
Starting point is 01:20:50 So I'm not apologising anymore. I've said I'm sorry. You know, I could give some people a kidney and it still wouldn't be enough. So I'm just getting on with my life now. And I'm hoping that I'm able to make some positive change with the voice that I now have found myself. And then The Guardian said on that, another is an interview with Lucy Connolly in which she complained she was jailed for a tweet. Lucy was sent to prison in 2024 for stirring up racial hatred against asylum seekers in a post in which she called for asylum hotels. to be burned down.
Starting point is 01:21:21 And Lucy Connolly joins me on the superstar panel alongside Reform UK's George Madgwick. Lucy, sue their ass. Sue their ass. I think they think that I can't come for them
Starting point is 01:21:33 because I can't afford it. And you know what? Crowdfund. I can't. Do you know how many messages of support I've had, Dan, saying crowd fund, crowd fund, I'll support, I'll support.
Starting point is 01:21:44 I'm not allowing these people to get away with this any longer. Ray said to me earlier, why can't they just leave you alone the likes of the Guardian? Why, what's their beef of you now? You know, that interview that you just showed was back in January, I probably haven't been on Liz's
Starting point is 01:21:59 show for about two months now. Not that I'm not team Mike and team Liz because I very much am. You know, I get on very well with both of them and I, you know, I support their views. You know, they have similar views to mine and I am not ashamed to say that because you know why we're all entitled to our views and our
Starting point is 01:22:16 opinions and you shouldn't be allowed to libel somebody or, or defame, you know, defame somebody's character, that's the word, because you don't like their political opinions. You're a news paper, news. And they claim to be regulated. So just explain Lucy, because some people will be not aware of the distinction. Can you just explain how they have liable to you?
Starting point is 01:22:42 So the first thing that said, I called for the burning down. I called for nothing. hyperbole for all I care. I did not instruct anybody to do anything. I was not sent to prison for stirring at racial hatred. The actual charge was the words that I wrote could have or was likely to stir at racial hatred. And thirdly, not one mention of the word asylum is in that tweet.
Starting point is 01:23:12 100%. So why are you even putting that in there? You know, we all know that I was talking about illegal immigrants, not regular, you know, real refugees and asylum seekers. There is a big difference between those and economic migrants. Most of them aren't that anyway. But look, you know, I sat in your high court case and listened to your team quite clearly lay out in court without any argument from the prosecution that there was absolutely. no correlation between your posts that was deleted in hours with any violence whatsoever. It caused nothing.
Starting point is 01:23:55 There was zero causation. We know that you were made an example of. But George, when you see The Guardian, which is a newspaper, by the way, that has never made money. You know, it's a charitable trust. Now trying to clearly take down the independent media, George. You just know they're terrified, don't you? And actually, the reason, I mean, Lucy says, why can't they just leave me alone?
Starting point is 01:24:22 Well, I think the reason they're not going to leave Lucy Connolly alone is because they know that she is building up a huge following of ordinary patriots who are fed up, completely fed up with our free speech being taken away when we simply say what the vast majority of the country is thinking. We have to do anything and everything we can to hold the main, mainstream media and regulated media to account wherever possible and I'd entirely support Lucy's action towards The Guardian. You know, a lot of us on this side of politics are victim of absolute
Starting point is 01:24:54 trash that's written in these newspapers, if you want to call them that. You know, just a couple of months ago, I had an incident with a paper that did a similar thing to me. They wrote absolute rubbish and I thought, you know, this is enough. I went to the Ombudsman and they actually had to write a retraction apology. You know, I thought enough is enough. So I didn't sue them for money, but, you know, I did hold them to the account and they did have to apologize. But this is the thing that we are getting on this side of politics and independent news agencies and companies like yourself Dan are getting.
Starting point is 01:25:20 We're getting attacks and they're trying to discredit us. They're trying to make our word not have any value or any meaning. But people are waking up to this now. But of course they're terrified. Of course they're terrified. Their companies are going to go down the pan and they are going down the pan as time goes on.
Starting point is 01:25:35 And I think the sooner that happens, the better. It really is. And by the way, congratulations to Mike Graham for what he is doing. with UK Live and bringing in all of these people, I hope it is a huge, huge success. The Bake-off star Nadia Hussein, who now claims that the British Passion Corporation is racist,
Starting point is 01:26:03 even though it gave her her entire career in large part because she wore a face covering, or a hit covering, whatever it's called, is now trying to normalise first cousin marriage. And finally, someone has had the balls to call it out. That woman is Esther Cracu. A conservative commentator, she was actually someone who used to appear on my G.B. News show.
Starting point is 01:26:36 She has now become a regular on Piers Morgan. And after learning of the boast by Hussein, which seems to be connected to the fact that her parents were cousins, And so clearly that means that everyone should just go and marry their cousins. And Esther just says enough. Enough. This is gross. And we have to stop normalising this. Watch.
Starting point is 01:27:04 But my parents are cousins. So they all lived in one house. My dad, my mum, all lived in one house. And then they went back to Bangladesh. And that's where my parents got married. And then they moved back and then lived together. It was so odd. This is interesting.
Starting point is 01:27:17 Yeah. But I would imagine, though, being cousins, that's not culturally, that's not distinct. No, no. That's very common. Totally common. Like, really common. Okay, this is gross. She's just basically admitted to being inbred.
Starting point is 01:27:29 Can we not normalize this, please? Cousin marriage is gross. It's not normal. There are 8 billion people on the planet. You don't need to be marrying your cousin. The children of cousin marriages are linked to high levels of congenital illnesses. It's costing the NHS a fortune. It is not British or Western.
Starting point is 01:27:45 And it is gross. Stop it. Stop it now. To the superstar panel, Lucy Connolly and Reform UK's George Madgewick. Now, George, Reform UK has said, or senior figures within Reform UK, including Zia Yusuf, who is Muslim, have said that you will ban cousin marriage. Do you have an issue with a mainstream celebrity like Nadia Hussein attempting to normalise this? I think banning it is the most common-sense policy you could take on this, unfortunately. It's just, look, it doesn't.
Starting point is 01:28:17 doesn't come into Western values whatsoever. And look, forget politics for a second. Let's look at the medical records. The medical history and the stats prove that this causes significant birth defects. It causes brain issues. It causes so many different issues that we have to deal with. And it costs our NHS a fortune. You know, morally it's horrendous.
Starting point is 01:28:38 But, you know, taking away the moral standpoint, just for the birth defects and the healthcare problems that we have from it and the financial problems we have from it, It's wrong on all levels. And I entirely support reform stance and this. This is something we hopefully will do within our first hundred days. I mean, it's so crazy, Lucy, that it is legal in 2026, isn't it? They, they, you know, if you're a dog breeding, you're not allowed to breed two dogs that are related. But, you know, two people can can have children that are cousins and all related.
Starting point is 01:29:09 I mean, I just, I just, on a personal level, I find it really gives me like the ick because I, I, I, I grew up quite close with all my cousins. Now, imagine like marrying one and having a child with one. I'm just like that. That's just not okay. No, it's really not. And one of the problems that I have is that Nadia Hussein is one of those people who is so quick to call racism on anything.
Starting point is 01:29:37 And no doubt she'll now be calling us that. Maybe with Esther Krakou, it's a little bit harder. because Esther Kraku is a black woman. But remember, Nadia Hussein is someone who really found fame because she was a Muslim baker, right? Like, that was her whole thing. And then when she'd done her dash and had all of these primetime TV shows
Starting point is 01:30:02 and all of a sudden she was axed because the ratings were lower and people were a little bit bored of her, she immediately tried to accuse the BBC, George, of being racist. I get, and I am getting so tired and bored of the racism tagline just being given to all of us for any reason for anything without any conversational nuance. And I think people on our side of politics that criticise this have also become immune to it. I mean, I literally don't bat an eyelid when someone calls me a racist now. I think we know what we are. And I think it's a really lazy term from that left wing of politics to do so.
Starting point is 01:30:41 you know, with her case, Narding's case in prime example, you know, she was a household name. You're right. She absolutely was a household name. They gave her a platform. They gave her a voice. And the way that she was talking about it in that interview on that podcast was so
Starting point is 01:30:54 blasé, like it was so normalized, like it was so accepting. And the presenter didn't even challenge it. You know, maybe his job is not there to challenge it. But I think that if he's doing a podcast in London, which is where that podcast is films and he's in this country,
Starting point is 01:31:08 he should push back on that and challenge it because it simply is just, not right. It really isn't right. We need to not normalise this in any capacity. Well, no, indeed. And isn't it an example, Lucy, of how multiculturalism has failed? And if people refuse to call out that failure because they are scared of being accused of something, then actually this becomes a vicious circle. Absolutely. And there's nothing wrong. There's nothing racist or wrong with the saying, this is the UK. We're a Western Christian country. These are our values and these are our rules.
Starting point is 01:31:39 if you wish to come and live here and contribute to our society, you're most welcome. But please respect our wishes and our, you know, and our rules. We do not allow first cousin cousin marriage, second cousin marriage in this country. And that's for medical reasons. Like we say, you know, you have children with birth defects and stuff, which is really awful. And like, you know, you might not care that you're going to produce a child with, you know, wrong, the wrong chromosomes and birth defects and goodness knows what else. but actually you also cost in the NHS. Goodness knows how much a year with all this.
Starting point is 01:32:14 It's so selfish. It's so selfish to, you know, to think that you can just pop out a baby and not be bothered if it's, you know, not a healthy child. Why would you want to do that? You know, and it's perfectly okay to say that because there was a medical reason why we say this shouldn't be happening. You know, and like in the UK, it is not normal. It's not seen as normal to marry your cousins or sleep, you know, have sex for your cousins. it's actually really frowned upon and, you know, my belief is rightly so. And again, that's not racist. That's our culture. That's our beliefs. Just as if you went to live in a Muslim country,
Starting point is 01:32:50 you would be expected to respect their culture and their religion and rightly so. What's the difference? Why is it, you know, not okay for us to say, if you come here, you respect our rules and our culture, but it's okay for, you know, how many church of England's are built on a corner of a Muslim country? Well, indeed, indeed. And this is the problem, isn't it? We do have to start standing up for our own culture. We should have done that in the beginning. Totally. Totally. And actually in this case, it's incredibly dangerous. Lucy Connolly, George Madgwick. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:33:25 There is lots of feedback coming in, by the way, in regards to our exclusive interview with Tommy Robinson and this Channel 4 attempt to bring him down. Susan Litherland, 698, says they want to destroy Tommy, they want him in prison. We all have to stand shoulder to shoulder. We love Tommy Robinson, Ricky Herbert. On the Hope Not Hate involvement in this investigation says, what an aim for such a hateful organization. Adair-Ez-Farci, 1882, says the left have gone fully satanic. It's no longer left versus right. It's good versus evil now.
Starting point is 01:34:03 the line has been clearly drawn. Choose your side. There is only one winner. Say your non says it is very sad that so many people are happy to work against the well-being of the British people, happy to work for the evil globalists, hope not hate a traitors, the MSM, are traitors. Beti Boohoo TV says they don't investigate anything properly and just want to set innocent people up. They shape the entire narrative around a pack of lies, which means their judgment is flawed throughout. And Packwood, N2J says you tell them Tommy and Channel 4, they just don't like how popular you are, you are a normal person speaking the truth, and Spuds 321 came up with a great idea, the Patriots platform he says needs to dress in burkers and bin bag cloaks. And we've got two polls running concurrently today. First I asked, which is the worst MSM outlet? Is it Channel 4 going after Tommy, the Daily Mail, going after Danny Tomo, or the Guardian. going after Lucy Connolly, 11% of you say The Guardian, 36% of you say the Daily Mail, but 52% of you are green. The worst MSM outlet this week in the UK is Channel 4. Now we're going to reveal the worst Britain in the world this week.
Starting point is 01:35:18 It is where we put your union jackass winners head to head. And there was a real theme running through this week's selections, well, especially with the two Reform UK. Members on Monday, Richard Tice was chosen for describing those protesters in Dover and Portsmouth over the weekend as a militia. And on Wednesday it was Nigel Farage for describing said protesters as disgusting. But the Tuesday nominee Mothan Ali, the deputy leader of the Greens, was called out for his rank hypocrisy for wanting landlords banned while being a landlord himself. And the results are in, let me tell you, over 30,000 of you have voted and it wasn't even close.
Starting point is 01:36:01 In third position with 4% of the vote, Richard Tice, the runner-up with 15% of the vote, excuse me, Nigel Farage, for the worst Britain in the world this week with a whopping 82% of your vote, the Green Party deputy leader, Mothan Ali. Okay, now, I am actually away tomorrow and Monday. I'm going to a wedding. But the great news is we have two of the best episodes. of the clash ever coming up. On Monday it is based in Buzzi versus Anaslamas, but tomorrow we put two former conservative friends in Connor Tomlinson and Albi Amankona head to head on race,
Starting point is 01:36:47 the Notting Hill Carnival, Jason Arday, and on the 25th anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, that issue too. Take a look at this special preview and you can judge for yourself whether they're able to rekindle their broken friendship on the show. Tomorrow, watch. You seem to be suggesting his view and his reason for cutting you off was in some ways connected to your race. I just said as his views became more hardline, we stopped talking. Dan's original question was,
Starting point is 01:37:21 Did I think you accuse me of racism? I don't care. If you thought we'd stopped talking for a reason, then you could have just texted me and not made a show of it on social media. If I wanted to call someone racist, I'd call them racist and you know I'm not scared of doing that. Carnival, you said it's British cultural. It's not. It's foreign cultural event. It's Caribbean. It is called the Notting Hill Carnival.
Starting point is 01:37:41 Connor seems to think the only people that can call events British are people that look like here. You wrote this. The Jason Arde Fars is an embarrassment to Black Britain. You are paraphrasing my position of Jason Arde when actually it was consistent throughout. Well, I've literally raised your own words out. I do not have sympathy for Jason Arden because he got himself in that position. He was an utter fraud, a congenital liar. I get the need for tight airport security. However, we could not allow people into the country from the nations that reliably commit these kinds of attacks. Your core argument seems to be, if we get rid of Muslims in Britain,
Starting point is 01:38:18 we are no longer at risk from a 9-11 style territory. There has been an Islamist takeover of the disunited kingdom. I don't think there's been an Islamist takeover. I think we were at risk every single day. very special edition of The Clash tomorrow as Connor Tomlinson and Albi Amman Kona go head to head. Do make sure you are with us. 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe. Turn on the notification bell.
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Starting point is 01:39:12 How shameful can they get? Well, P. Diner, Royal YouTube Sensation, joining us for that. Over on substack at www. outspoken.org. But as I say, I am off until Tuesday, but we have these very special clash episodes coming up.
Starting point is 01:39:31 I promise you, you're going to love them. Pray for me that there's no major breaking news. If not, I'll see it before then. Otherwise, we're back live on Tuesday. Thank you so much for your company this week. Most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.

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