Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON POLITICS BOMBSHELL OVER ADVANCE UK AS BRITAIN'S MUMS ERUPT OVER MIGRANTS

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: Tommy Robinson's decision to join Advance UK is propelling the insurgent party towards the 30,000 self-imposed cap to register as a political party to challenge Reform UK. So why has ...the MSM decided Tommy’s major political move is a non-story even as they generate acres of coverage to his alleged train station assault? We're joined live by Advance UK leader Ben Habib. But first: Britain’s mums erupt in a pink protest after a shocking new state cover up bid to hide the fact that two Afghan illegals have been charged with the rape, kidnapping and attempted strangulation of a 13-year-old girl. In his Digest, Dan exposes how it was the hard left Antifa mob, encouraged by Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott, causing trouble at the weekend that was again ignored by the MSM. PLUS: Leftie horror as Bushra Sheik launches a mortifying attack on James Whale just minutes after his death is announced. AND: Narinder Kaur is booted off LBC after an on air clash with Nick Ferrari. But who’s right? We’ll show you what really happened. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry has moved to sensationally deny claims he punched Prince Andrew so hard he left him with a bleeding nose, so why did he not do the same when his propagandists accused King Charles and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, of sickening racism. We’ll team up with the Royal News Network to analyse the fallout from a bombshell new book. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is Outspoken Life episode number 284 and breaking today. Tommy Robinson has joined Advance UK with leader Ben Habib, who will be here alongside Charlie Downs of Restore Britain shortly, revealing it is propelling the Insurgent party towards that 30,000 self-imposed cap to register as an official political party and then challenge Reform UK.
Starting point is 00:00:33 He laughed about Rupert Lowe, he laughed about Ben Abib, you're irrelevant all of you because he knows there's no other party yeah so I know some people will be upset with this some reform supporters. Unfortunately, Nigel needs a shock and he needs to realise that there is another political option other than reform. And I see that as Ben Habeek. I see that as a advance UK. So why has the MSM decided Tommy's major political move is a non-story, even as they generate acres of coverage to his alleged train station assault. We will debate. But first, Britain's mums erupt in a pink protest after a shocking new state cover-up bid to hide the fact that two Afghan illegals have been charged with the rape, kidnapping and attempted strangulation of a 13 year old girl. The problem of ruling out!
Starting point is 00:01:49 The shaman and the Labour government. Oh, wasted. He's ruined this country. Ruined this country. Nobody in England likes giga-tar. In my digest next, I'll expose how it was the hard left Antifa mob encouraged by Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott causing trouble at the weekend that was again ignored by the MSM. Also coming up on the show today, lefty horror as Bushra Sheikh launches a mortifying attack on my friend James Whale just minutes after his death was announced. We'll pay tribute.undy Caw is booted off LBC after an on-air clash with Nick Ferrari,
Starting point is 00:02:29 but who's right? We'll show you what really happened. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack, Prince Harry has moved to sensationally deny claims. He punched Prince Andrew so hard, he left him with a bleedy nose. So why did he not do the same when his propagandist accused King Charles and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, of sickening racism, will team up with the Royal News Network to analyse the fallout from a bombshell new book. You can sign up to watch on Sudstack www.outspoken.live. It is the first revelation of the greatest Brit Britain and Union Jackass this week too.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Union Jackass winner chosen by you. You can vote right now on the live chat on YouTube. Here are your nominees today. Jeremy Corbyn put forward by Darren Donaldson for branding all protesters as far-right fascists. Piers Morgan nominated by Real McCas for calling Tommy Robinson a liar and being called out on this by Tommy on X that was on the Trigonometry podcast and Narenda Kaur nominated by It's Only Me 44 for getting kicked off Nick Ferrari's LBC show for her comments on the Southport riots. Get voting now, I will bring you the results and the
Starting point is 00:03:41 best comments from you at the end of today's show. But now, let's go! So it wasn't a far right conspiracy, after all, in the dead of the night this weekend, the illegals were transported into the luxury Britannia International Hotel, ready to deal drugs, terrorise the streets while delivering food badly for Uber Eats and Deliveroo, and most horrifically, continue the unrelenting sexual attacks on our young girls. the 1st of August. Would anybody like to speak to me? Now what happened next was even more extraordinary, with those legals immediately beginning work in our black economy including as delivery drivers. Look at this guys, tell me these ain't delivery drivers. Tell me these ain't delivery drivers. Tell me these ain't delivery drivers, guys.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Oh shit. There we go. Georgina, I'm modding you. Georgina, message something quickly. So I can see your name again. But despite shocking threats and smears from the authorities, Antifa and the mainstream media, the mums of London decided they were not going to let their resistance to the whole scale invasion of the United Kingdom and takeover of their local communities by people out to destroy the lives of their daughters, see them be silenced. Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner And I love Londoners
Starting point is 00:06:47 Thank you for the night Thank you for the night Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner And I love Londoners too Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner That I think of her wherever I go I fear the funny thing inside of me Just to see her there
Starting point is 00:07:24 Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner Now completely destroying the narrative of the MSM, there was even soon a conga line. The Oh Young Kunky! Oh Young Kunky! Oh Young Kunky! These men are straight, rah rah rah! Just brilliant. Indeed, I mean the only real negativity reserved for Sipri Starmer. You're saying you took care of Starmer and the Labour government? Oh, wasted. He's ruined this country. RUINED this country. Nobody in England likes Lear Starmer. And who could disagree with her? As our own Alex Phillips wrote to the Pink protesters, Dear wonderful women, I know who you are. You work bloody hard in your jobs and bloody hard for your families.
Starting point is 00:08:46 You are straight talking mothers and grandmothers ready to help anybody and give them a cup of tea, but also ready to give your own, a clip around the ear. You are the soul of this great nation and will fight to protect it. It's the women that win wars at the end of the day and you are ready to fight for your daughters and their daughters daughters. You are modern day suffragettes and we owe you a debt of gratitude for your steely determination but also your warmth and humour underneath that resolve. And bloody hell, have you been patient while the wankers of Whitehall have betrayed everything
Starting point is 00:09:21 you have built. Starmer has picked the wrong people to mess with because you ladies do not give up. It's not in your DNA. All power to your elbows you glorious ladies I and the rest of Britain bloody adore you. But of course none of that fits the narrative, does it? Because this weekend, the only violence actually came from the hard left Antifa mob in another part of London that was encouraged by scumbags like Diane Abbott and Narenda Kaur and Jeremy Corbyn. The fascists and the far right are on our streets. They've been defiling our mosques.
Starting point is 00:10:06 They're attacking desperate people who are refugees and asylum seekers within our community. There can only be one answer to this. We stand together, all of our communities. We stand together against all hate, be it anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, far-right racism or anything. We are a community united. And look what happened after that call from Corbyn. Illegals taunting patriots out the window. But it was the hooded hard left mob responsible for the trouble as they happily chanted slogans like,
Starting point is 00:10:40 All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards.
Starting point is 00:10:59 All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. All cops are bastards. FOOTBALL PLAYERS SHOUT OUT Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back! Get back!
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Starting point is 00:11:52 Get back! Can you move back please? Please move out of the way! I can't say it clearer! Pull them! So yes, that's the Be Kind left, right? That is the Be Kind left so horrified by their own behaviour that they will not show their faces. And I just want you to imagine if that behavior had come from the patriotic mums outside the hotel in Epine, outside the hotel in Canary Wharf, it would be leading every news bulletin in the country. You know that, I know that.
Starting point is 00:13:21 But because it was the hard left Jeremy Corbyn supported and T for scumbags, it is ignored by the MSM, the regime media. As Chris Rose put it, a striking difference at the Barbican Hotel in London. Concerned parents peacefully protesting against illegal migration, no face masks, far left agitators, military style balaclavas to hide their identity calling others Nazis. Can we talk about the far left problem? Vox Populi was on the scene and revealed the truth about the patriots who were there. There's been a roaring success, okay? The mainstream media and all the papers are going
Starting point is 00:14:00 to be talking about how big the anti-racist protesters were. But this is a community here. These here are people who live day to day and have to, they understand more than anyone else what that hotel been in there. This is the square that they can't use. Just behind there is the park that they can't use to the children because they're too scared. The community has got together and I love it. So it's been a roaring success. Yeah by the end of Sunday yesterday it was the Patriots who were actually punished by cops with in Tommy Robinson's words the decision to slap a section 42 order on the Britannia hotel. There's a section 42, section 42 in place of the 2001, you're causing distress or alarm to the residents of this hotel, yeah? You have to leave now and not return within 28 days to this area.
Starting point is 00:15:00 If you don't, it would be arrested, okay? So you're telling me that we're not allowed to come back and protest for 28 days because you're causing distress to the residents of this city? If you don't comply with that, you will be arrested. So you need to clear up. Now remember that was the scene where the patriotic pink protesting mums had been gathering, not the violent anti-futhugs. Although I should say the police did later clarify that they were targeting a specific group of protesters who
Starting point is 00:15:30 they said were targeting the illegals inside the hotel. But all weekend, all weekend long, there were examples up and down our great country of patriots expressing their fears for Britain in powerful democratic uprisings, while the hard left resorted to sickening violence designed to scupper free speech. As Douglas Carswell said, responding to these scenes in Manchester, centrist dads and Times columnists, it's not your country anymore. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Christian activist Young Bob will be horrified to know he was attacked by Islamists again. I'm putting him in prison. Why is he putting him in prison? They killed him.
Starting point is 00:16:26 They killed him. They killed him. What does it mean? Don't kill him. They say he's in prison. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:16:42 No, no, no. I will get it. I will get it! I will get it! I will get it! I will get it! I will get it! Come, come, come! Hey, hey!
Starting point is 00:17:03 Don't fight, you better come! And look, we know where the anger should really be boiling over in the United Kingdom, amongst mums and dads, truly horrified about the threat that this unrelenting invasion of our southern border is posing to our children. Just this weekend, two Afghan illegals, Ahmad Mulakil and Mohammed Kabeir were both charged in connection with the alleged rape of a 12 or potentially 13 year old girl, I'm not sure on that, in Nunezon, a quiet Warwickshire town. The Mail on Sunday revealed one of the men has also been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap. The girl now receiving specialist care. But I have no doubt her life will forever be changed. Despite the huge interest in the incident, sources told the Mail on Sunday
Starting point is 00:18:08 that the Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the illegal background of the two suspects and the fact that they were from Afghanistan for fear of quote, inflaming community tensions. As Colin Brazier put it, if true, this is staggering. And unfortunately it does appear to be true. With Reform's 19-year-old wonder kid George Finch, the leader of Warwickshire County Council, writing to the Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Constable of Warwickshire, demanding they disclose the immigration statuses of the two men charged. He wrote, as you will know, the alleged perpetrator is an asylum seeker who currently lives in housing of multiple occupancy. This has caused unease locally,
Starting point is 00:18:58 as residents have very easily been able to join the dots together and have concluded that this man is an asylum seeker. Residents of Warwickshire can see that they have not been told the full story. This is a gravely concerning development. If these accusations turn out to be true, it indicates that organised crime centring around the abuse of young girls is present in Warwickshire. This is unacceptable. In light of this development, I am calling on the Home Office to immediately remove and re-house all asylum seekers currently living in HMOs within Warwickshire. Our community has had enough of the Home Office breaking planning regulations to turn sections of local communities into
Starting point is 00:19:34 unrecognisable ghetto-like zones. Now, he's received criticism actually from the left for going much further at a press conference today with Farage. Watch this. It has to stop. A 13 year old girl has been raped by two asylum seekers. If I release this, I would be in contempt of court, and I cannot release this due to this phrase, community cohesion. That's the problem. They're trying to cover up the minority, the people that are coming over on boats illegally, and the people of Nuneaton are hurt. They've had enough, and that's why I'm urging all council leaders
Starting point is 00:20:26 from all parties to join me in campaigning to stop the housing of illegal immigrants in HMOs with Serco and the illegal immigrants in hotels. Well done for exposing the truth. Threatened, basically threatened and told the public do not deserve to know the truth. It is absolutely disgraceful. In fact, it has shades of the same mentality at local level that led to Rotherham and the huge shock, not just we as a country, but the international community who could not believe we'd sunk to those debts. Turning a blind eye, not telling the British public the truth. Now look what's so fascinating is all the left-wing media care about now is whether
Starting point is 00:21:12 George Finch the 19 year old council leader has potentially committed some type of contempt of court crime because this is how the left and the deep state and the establishment and the mainstream media work to cover up these very real stories. I'm actually glad that Nigel Farage defended him in that press conference. Now Charlie Downs of Restore Britain has actually gone one step further today, claiming Afghans do not belong in Britain because of a host of devastating statistics showing that they are 22 times more likely to be convicted of sexual assault than Brits, 11 times more likely to be convicted of drug offences, 11 times more likely to be convicted
Starting point is 00:21:58 of robbery, 6 times more likely to be convicted of violent offences, 6 times more likely to be convicted of violent offensives. Six times more likely to be convicted of possession of a weapon. And four times more likely to be convicted of theft. And Charlie Downs joins us now on the superstar panel alongside Advanced UK leader Ben Habib, whose party is celebrating after securing the membership at the weekend of Tommy Robinson. weekend of Tommy Robinson. And Ben Habib, we will talk much about your big coup and the big Tommy Robinson signing very shortly. But I do want to kick off with this incredible cover up Ben, of what feels like the Warwickshire
Starting point is 00:22:42 Council not learning any lessons, sorry, not the Warwickshire Council, the Warwickshire Council not learning any lessons, sorry, not the Warwickshire Council, the Warwickshire police and the Home Office not learning any lessons from the rape gang scandal and actually caring more about this so-called community cohesion, which doesn't exist, by deliberately piling the pressure on the mainstream media and Reform UK not to reveal the fact that the two men charged with this horrific rape and of course we have to say Ben as we always do yes this is going through the court process, yes they are innocent until proven guilty but why can't we know, why can't we know that these two men are Afghan illegals? I don't believe that that challenge is contempt of court at all.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Well it's straight out of the Southport playbook, isn't it? After Southport, we were told that the guy who stabbed one young girl 125 times before trying to behead her and stabbed the other two a similar number was actually a Welshman. We were told that by the prime minister. This cover-up effectively goes all the way to the top from the police force, through the criminal justice system, to the home secretary, to the prime minister. And the reason that they're covering it up is because it completely invalidates their ideology,
Starting point is 00:24:02 their fundamental belief that all of humanity should be allowed into the United Kingdom. And Charlie Downs is absolutely right to highlight the propensity of Afghans to commit various crimes over the propensity of normal British citizens. You know, if you go into a country which is effectively barbaric, a failed state that is Afghanistan, been at war for at least 22 years, actually it's never had peace, even before the last 22 year occupation by Western forces. You know, there was tribal warfare, it was occupied by the Russians before that, and it goes back 150 years of non-stop warfare and fail statism. If you bring people from a barbaric state into the United Kingdom, do you suddenly expect them to behave like a civilized individuals? Of course not, they're barbarians.
Starting point is 00:24:55 If you bring barbarians to the UK, they will bring their barbaric behavior. But Starmer isn't prepared to face up to that because that would do away completely with the whole thesis of multiculturalism, mass immigration, and at the root of which we've been hijacked by the Human Rights Act, which informs us that all of humanity is absolutely equal. It doesn't matter where they come from, what their cultural norms are, whether they hold us in contempt, whether they're antithetical to our culture and our views and our values, it doesn't matter. Everyone's blooming equal under the Human Rights Act, and we better just, you know, just lump it. And that's the root cause of the problem. And unless we wake up to the fact that actually not everyone should be entitled to come to this country, that we have to preserve civil society, that we've got to preserve our people, our culture, our constitution and so on, and that we've got to make sure that to the extent that we have immigration, it's from people who are compatible
Starting point is 00:25:54 and understand our constitutional Christian roots and the way that we behave normally in this country. Unless we do that, there shouldn't be any immigration whatsoever. That's got to be the minimum bar, hasn't it? Jason Vale Indeed. And Charlie, are you saying a bit like the Trump travel ban, just we cannot take any Afghans whatsoever because these statistics are just destroying us? Charlie Pysh Why take the risk, Dan? Why take the risk, Dan? Why take the risk? I mean, it's time for us to actually have a conversation about, you know, essentially how we can actually draw judgments about groups of people on the
Starting point is 00:26:32 basis of statistics. Because if you have conversations with a lot of regime-aligned journalists, they will tell you, they will respond to that data that I presented with statements like, well, it's not all Afghans. Like we remember recently Ian Dale on LBC saying to that data that I presented with statements like, well, it's not all Afghans. Like we remember recently Ian Dale on LBC saying to that woman who called in that she was a dinosaur for suggesting that Afghans coming here would have a propensity towards sexual violence, which we know that they do. But actually, and he seemed to claim that those coming here were seeking to escape from the violence of their home country. But we know that that's not true, because those who come here are the ones who are committing these most heinous of crimes. So it's time, I think, for... I'm amazed at the moment by how quickly the discourse is
Starting point is 00:27:12 moving. I actually find it very encouraging. Because even two years ago, if you had said, you know, made the kinds of statements that a lot of people are now making in the mainstream about the fact that actually maybe we should be drawing value judgments about these cultures from these backwards countries, about how they have no place in Britain and how we can't begin to, you know, we can't even take, we can't take the risk of inviting even some of them here, because what benefit does it bring us? I mean, there's another aspect to this, I think, which Rupert Lowe, my colleague, has been raising recently, which is that a lot of those coming illegally, it's not just that they come from criminal, backwards, barbaric cultures, as Ben so rightly said. There is actually a conversation to be had here about the fact that these are very low IQ cultures. The average IQ in Afghanistan is 82, which is 20 points lower than the global
Starting point is 00:27:59 average. These are people who do not have, broadly speaking, statistically speaking, high levels of impulse control, high levels of understanding of second and third order consequences of their action. And so these are people that just shouldn't be in our country, it's as simple as that. Breaking today. Tommy Robinson's decision to join Advance UK has the party nearing its 30,000 stealing, which you'll remember Ben Habeib, its leader, has pledged to at that point pump in a six-figure sum and officially register Advance UK as a political party to take on Reform UK. Ben Habeib with us today, of course, we will hear from him about the latest efforts in just one moment.
Starting point is 00:28:47 But here are the extraordinary developments that all took place this weekend that the mainstream media decided to completely ignore. Tommy Robinson, the country's most famous political activist, who for a long time has said that he will join no political party, posted on X our future together I am joining advance UK I'm sick and tired of being politically homeless I am sick of the establishment lies of Nigel Farage I'm putting my faith in Ben Habib and his new political party. Ben Habib immediately replied writing thank you Tommy for joining and endorsing Advance UK. There are millions of politically homeless British citizens. Ever since the biggest vote in our history to leave the EU,
Starting point is 00:29:33 the political class has turned its back on us. The vote to leave was a vote for our country, our borders, our democracy and our laws. It was a vote against the globalist order. But we never really left the EU. Our borders remained dangerously wide open. Reform emerged, carrying the flame of hope for the silent majority. I helped light that flame. Sadly, reform has lost its way. It views with contempt swaths of law-abiding British citizens, denouncing them as, quote, that lot. We are all one lot, the British people.
Starting point is 00:30:07 It refused to recognize your imprisonment last year was politically motivated. It mattered not whether Farage liked or disliked you. He had to stand for the principle of free speech and equality under the law. Instead he sought favour with the establishment. Reform's recent politically motivated cynical attacks on Suala Braviman and Rupert Lowe were equally wrong. I knew some time ago, a new force is needed in British politics. Advanced UK is that force. The British people need no longer be politically homeless.
Starting point is 00:30:38 All British citizens are warmly welcomed to join our party. We will stand fearlessly for our nation, culture, freedoms, democracy and equality under the law. Tommy then released this video filmed at Westminster. What political option do we have in the UK? That's the question, yeah? And most people would say reform. Unfortunately, I don't see Nigel Farage as an option. I see Nigel Farage's speeches about preparing ourselves for the 2050 demographical change of Islamic community in this country and then we have to make peace with Islam. We don't, we need to stop that, that's my opinion. So as I look and I look at what political options there were, because I'm
Starting point is 00:31:34 politically homeless, there's no political party that I support. So as I'm looking I then saw Ben Habib. I like Ben Habib, I've watched him for many years. I believe he's loyal and principled and he's continually stood up for democracy and free speech He stood up for me at times, but then when I sat and looked and I saw Howard Cox many people stood up for me in reform They didn't know me. They didn't personally know me. They stood up for free speech and stood up for some of the work I've done highlighting Islamic extremist rape gangs. Yeah, and they lost their position They were kicked out of reform. Howard Cox was kicked out.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Many people were kicked out. If you speak against Islam, you're kicked out of reform. If you speak against transgenderism, you were kicked out of reform. How can you have a political party that we believe is gonna solve our problems that doesn't even believe in free speech? You can't.
Starting point is 00:32:19 And Nigel Farage's cousin when he comes, he does. He laughs. He also said that Nigel Farage now needs a shock to the system. He was sitting there, he laughed about Rupert Lowe, he laughed about Ben Habeib, you're irrelevant, all of you, because he knows there's no other party. So I know some people will be upset with this, some reform supporters, reform members. Unfortunately, Nigel needs a shock and he needs to realise that there is another political option other than reform. And I see that as Ben Habeib. I see that as Advance UK. I'm today joining Advance as a member. I've told many people I don't want
Starting point is 00:32:55 to be in politics. I don't want to be a politician. I want to run a cultural movement. I want to do my journalism. That's what I've always wanted to do. But I want there to be a political option for the movement. And I hope that would have been Nigel, you saw the appeals I made to reform. Please stop lying about us. Please stop. Just stop. Be the political party for the country. Be the political party that will stop immigration, that will do mass deportations. But time and time again Nigel's told us he's not going to do mass deportations.
Starting point is 00:33:20 He doesn't care about the demographic change to our country. All the things you think he represents, he no longer does. He's bringing in the left. He's going to be more left-wing than conservatives. It's not with this country. And Tommy also made a point which I think is really fair, which is that every other country in Europe currently has a populist political voice. Every other country in Europe has a populist leader who's speaking for the people. We don't, unfortunately. So I'm joining Advanced UK. I'd advise you to join Advanced UK. Hopefully, if their membership soars, I think our movement of free speech and our movement needs a political
Starting point is 00:33:57 home. And the leader of Advanced UK, Ben Habeib, joins me on the Superstar panel today alongside Charlie Downs of Restore Britain. So Ben Habib, lots of questions to ask you about this. Had this been in the works for a while? Talk to me if there were any negotiations or was this a surprise to you as well? And is it true that Tommy's decision to join Advanced UK has pushed up your membership figures and you're now not far off that 30,000 ceiling. Well, I've got the screen open in front of me. It's something I monitor quite closely. And we've got 22,000 supporters now. So we're, you know, we're getting very close. We're getting very close. And I've been inundated with positive messages of support. A lot of those supporters came obviously before Tommy Robinson joined the party
Starting point is 00:34:49 and he made that video, but there's been a real crying need, I think, from those people who had put their faith in reform, including Tommy Robinson. Remember, Tommy Robinson directed people to vote for reform in the general election last year. He stayed true to reform even after Farage was denouncing him repeatedly on the airwaves, which we can return to if you wish. But eventually Farage just went too far and as Tommy Robinson correctly pointed out in his video, Farage is taking in the left, he's taking in the one nation, wet, remain voting Tories who brought this country to the difficult position in which we now find ourselves.
Starting point is 00:35:34 He's taking in Labour councillors, Liberal Democrat councillors. Today he had a chief spokesman for the police or something or the other, a new justice spokesman, and suggesting that transgender women, in other words, men, should be allowed to go in certain circumstances under a risk-assessed approach into women's prisons. Reform has completely lost its way. Farage doesn't, he doesn't care about the demographic change in this country.
Starting point is 00:36:03 He doesn't believe in deporting all illegal migrants who are here. He just he's lost the plot. And I've known for a long, long time that a new political force is needed. And Advance UK is that force. And we are going to reach that 30,000 target. Our application for the Electoral Commission is absolutely ready to go. The minute we hit that target, it's going in. And can I just also say...
Starting point is 00:36:28 And you put your six-figure sum in, and all of a sudden, you're a party that genuinely wants to challenge Reform UK and run by elections, et cetera, et cetera. We're going to challenge all the parties. We're going to challenge all the parties. We are here to set the narrative for the nation-state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
Starting point is 00:36:47 freedom of speech, democracy, and equality under the law. The four basic principles by which every single political party should be governed, but actually none of the main parties are, the conservatives have lost sight of democracy and what it means to be a nation-state. They're the ones, for example, who put a border down between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Farage couldn't care less about that border. He has said a united Ireland is inevitable. He shuts down free speech in his
Starting point is 00:37:14 own party. You're not allowed to say things with which he personally disagrees and you're rubbish and thrown out, is Rupert Lowe experience and others, dozens of other people have experienced. but low experience and others, dozens of other people have experienced. We need a party that will not bend, a party that won't be politically expedient, has a political philosophy in which it believes, stands its ground and then makes the case and delivers on the case for a proud, independent, prosperous United Kingdom. And the only way to do that is through the ballot box, and which is why
Starting point is 00:37:45 it has to be a political party. I wanted the 30,000 hurdle to test my own belief that there's a desire out there. But the fact that within five weeks, Dan, in five weeks, we've got to five times the membership of UKIP in five weeks. And these are paying supporters, aren't they? And that's a big difference between you and what you're doing in Advance UK and what Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana are doing, because they're talking about these huge numbers that they've got, but none of these people have actually put their money where their mouth is, which of course you need those funds for a political party. Can I just ask Ben, do you see a possibility of a future where Tommy Robinson runs for a parliamentary seat?
Starting point is 00:38:33 For example, lots of people have suggested, well, imagine if Tommy Robinson were to stand against Nigel Farage and Clapton, for example. Do you see that potentially happening? Have you had any discussions if he has any actual interest to run for Parliament? So, just a couple of things before I address that. To be absolutely clear, any British citizen on the electoral roll is welcome to join Advance UK. We are not policing our membership. Our membership effectively endorse our mission statement,
Starting point is 00:39:06 which is nation state freedom of speech, democracy and equality under the law when they join us. And as and when we make policies, which will be emerging over the coming months and years, as we make policies, they automatically endorse those by virtue of their membership. They endorse us, but we're not endorsing our members.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Our members are free to hold whatever views they wish to hold, by and large to say whatever they wish to say. We don't have any control over that, and we don't seek control over it, because that is democracy. If they're good enough to vote in this country, they're good enough to be members of our party. So I just want that completely clearly set out there. Tommy Robinson, I think in the first, in that video that you showed, actually said he doesn't want to be active in a political party.
Starting point is 00:39:53 He wants to be a journalist. He wants to be in a movement. And so I don't think there's any desire by him to be an MP or to stand in elections or to even be a member of our college, which is the kind of intellectual ballast through which we'll be making policies amongst other things. But of course, if he wished to, then he'd have to go through the process of applying in the normal way.
Starting point is 00:40:15 And unlike reform, it's not Farage who just decides or me who just decides who's going to stand and how it's all going to work and, you know, hand out the cushy seats to my mates. There is going to be a process through which applications are made. There'll be a panel and it will be, we've got proper checks and balances and processes in place. And there'll be, you know, a mechanism by which we judge all of that. Charlie, I wanted to ask you about how the mainstream media has just ignored this story. Because you will have seen they have gone tonto over the past week about this possibility that Tommy Robinson was responsible for an assault at St. Pancras station. Obviously we covered that in depth last week and there are two very clear sides to this story and Tommy is absolutely adamant that the CCTV
Starting point is 00:41:03 will back up what he's saying and that in fact it was a case of self-defense. But as Lauren Kimberly-Lund Farrow, the media commentator, pointed out on this story, mainstream report on the news that fits their agenda, because she says that when there was a man injured at the station, they went absolutely crazy. However, Tommy Robinson joins advance and the entire mainstream media hits mute. Not because it's not newsworthy, but because it's inconvenient. Like him or not, this is a major political move and story. The silence isn't accidental.
Starting point is 00:41:42 It's censorship. When the truth doesn't serve their narrative, they bury it. Charlie? Yeah, well, I mean, I've long maintained that Tommy Robinson, I think a lot of people get Tommy Robinson wrong, because I, what I view him as, is basically as a manifestation, a symptom of a far more fundamental issue, which is basically white working class anguish over immigration and Islam. And all the while those causes, those fundamental causes go unaddressed. You're going to see Tommy Robinson's, you know, continue to exist. And actually, they will probably become more and more radical as things continue to get worse. But on the other side of
Starting point is 00:42:18 that, Robinson has also served as a useful tool for the establishment for the entire entirety of his career really. Because to a certain extent, he's made it easy for the mainstream to present authentic concerns about immigration and Islam as being the domain of a kind of, you know, essentially what a lot of people would view as a kind of thuggish working class kind of perspective. Now, I think that's completely unfair because I think that it's totally reasonable and totally understandable and totally moral actually to have concerns about immigration and Islam. But it's been the domain of the Tommy Robinsons
Starting point is 00:42:53 of this world more or less for my entire life. And this is why I, you know, this is what I wonder, Ben, about your strategy, about whether it will potentially his involvement might alienate more people than it will attract because from an electoral strategy perspective I feel like you know I think about people in my own life who are not particularly political who if you name you if you mention the name Tommy Robinson to them they'd probably recoil in fear and I'm not saying that that's
Starting point is 00:43:19 a justified thing at all because again I think Tommy Robinson do you want to come back on that many things yeah I mean I think that it comes down fundamentally to freedom of political association, which, by the way, under the European Convention of Human Rights is a human right. And as I said, we are not going to police people who join our party. Why would we throw out someone from the party if they're a British citizen and can vote? That would be politically daft. We can police our own executive, we can police our MPs when we get them, we can police our councillors and we will ensure that we come up with policies which won't result hopefully in violence on the streets because we will address the concerns of the British people and we will settle the British people. But the party needs to be judged by
Starting point is 00:44:10 its representatives and its executives and its policies and mission statement. It cannot be judged and nor should it be judged by its membership and nor should the party judge its membership. The membership are members of the electorate. They are free to be, hold whatever views they wish to hold, that is their entitlement. And it's not for us to dictate to it. And I think we need to be brave in this country and stand up for freedom of speech
Starting point is 00:44:41 and not be cowed by the mainstream media or the commentary act or the received ideological so-called wisdom of the last 30 years of governance, which has basically played that tune, which is if you disagree with multiculturalism, disagree with mass immigration, you're done. Indeed. But see, I might take the slightly different point of view to Charlie, which is going even one step further, I guess, Ben, from where you're at, which is, I would argue to you, isn't that almost underestimating what it means to have Tommy Robinson as a member of your party? I mean, what is going to be arranged in September, unless the authorities
Starting point is 00:45:19 are able to use this potential assault to shut it down is going to be a truly seismic event in British culture. You look at all of the people flying in around the world for the United Kingdom free speech rally, that is going to be a really significant moment. Don't you actually want to be saying, we've got Tommy Robinson in this party? If you're a Tommy Robinson supporter, sign up. Isn't that what's going to get Advance UK starting to register, for example, in the political polls, which is important if you do want to be able to show to the mainstream media, look, we're getting momentum here. That's to Charlie, I think, isn't it? Now to you, Ben. Oh, to me. Well, I think, isn't it? And now to you, Ben.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Oh, to me. Well, I mean, we've got to be brave. We can't be cowed. We must stand up and call it as it is. There are millions of people, as evidenced by the membership that's gone up over the weekend, who wish to be represented in politics. Reform doesn't represent them. These people are worried about the rate of demographic change. They're worried about mass immigration. They stand against multiculturalism. They don't believe that by self-identifying as a
Starting point is 00:46:36 woman you suddenly become a woman. They don't believe that British culture should be set aside. They believe in the Christian constitutional roots of the country. They see the country as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They're proud of the Union flag. There is no party in mainstream politics representing those basic functions. And so any impediment to our being able to prosecute and promote our mission is an impediment that I will ignore and I will push aside. I'm not going to be cowed. I'm not going to be held back just because there might be someone giving me a disapproval, tut-tut.
Starting point is 00:47:13 I know it's absolutely right that if you're a member of the electorate, you should have freedom of political association. I know it's absolutely right that our mission statement is upheld and delivered for the British people. I know it's absolutely right that our mission statement is upheld and delivered for the British people. I know it's absolutely right that we have to stand up to the global liberal order and return some understanding of what it means to be the United Kingdom. All these things we stand for are absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:47:36 So I'm not going to be cowed by the BBC Sky News or indeed, Dan, may I say, journalists who are ostensibly on our side of the fence, who suddenly throw their hands up in horror because Tommy Robinson has joined the party. I'm not going to be cowed. No way. He's a member of the party. Any British citizen, member of the electorate, is welcome to join our party. And it will be absolutely the end of democracy in this country if advance UK takes the knee now, because everyone else has, including Farage. Good. And I think that is the right approach to take. I really do. And I feel
Starting point is 00:48:12 like the game is changing here. And eventually, the mainstream media will have to catch up. So it's going to be absolutely fascinating. But I would say use that support from the Tommy Robinson base because what Advance UK needs to do now is start showing up in some of those polls to make it clear there is a realistic alternative to Reform UK because a lot going on with Reform UK is leaving people gobsmacked at the moment. Like how on earth would they be in a position where they were starting to say, yes we believe that in some cases it is appropriate for trans people, so men, right, men, biological men, to be housed in women's prison. That one just blew me away today. But this is the problem, when you take on the establishment into your party very often you do take on many of their worldviews Breaking today the death of a true radio legend
Starting point is 00:49:15 My friend James whale passed away this morning After a vigorous battle with cancer my god He defied the odds. But of course, in his death, and I'm going to be honest about this, and this is why I'm covering it today, James would have loved this. James would have loved the fact that it's his death that has been able to bring out the worst of the hard left in this country, the be kind left in this country. So of course as you'd expect, all of the usual tributes poured in, and my god they were deserved. Piers Morgan posted RAP James, one of Britain's all time great radio talk show
Starting point is 00:49:56 hosts and a fantastic bloke. Nigel Farage posted James Whale was a broadcasting pioneer, legend and the king of late-night talk radio, but most importantly he was a friend who will be missed. But amongst all of that, the former apprentice contestant, a woman who regularly appeared on GB News until relatively recently, Bush Reshakek showed the true colours of the left in this country. Literally minutes after James Whale's death was announced by Talk TV, and we'll bring you that announcement in just a few moments, Bush Roshayk posted, just because he's dead now doesn't take away all the racism and anti-muslim hate is spewed. Good riddance. He was horrible. God will deal with him.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Now I replied to Bushra and I was like, honestly Bushra, that is an example of the Be Kind Left striking again, but guess what? James would actually have loved this response because James always wanted to cause trouble. He always wanted to cause debate. You have played into his hands, my love. And she said, I'm not kind about bigots, Dan, even if they're dead. Now, some may find it unsavoury, but I should be entitled to my opinion about a person. At least I don't pretend. He cheered on dead children for months. I cannot find empathy for that. To my superstar panel, Charlie Downs and Ben Habib. Charlie, wow. Obviously I do want to pay tribute properly to James and we will do in just one
Starting point is 00:51:42 second, but isn't this a sort of hijab off moment, right? The true colours of the hard left show up in all of their glory here. This is about true destruction, that's what Bushra Shakes wants. Yeah, I mean it's a despicable thing to say. I think I may have met James Well once, but I didn't know him at all. But he's a very well- man among people who I know. But I, to be honest, at this point, I don't think that there's any secret about the true nature of the left represented by people like Bush Roshach and also Narenda Kowal, who I think we're going to talk about later on in the show. Like these are people who are driven by hatred, like they're driven by hatred of
Starting point is 00:52:18 Britain, they're driven by hatred of the West, they're driven by hatred of Christianity. And so anything that in their view represents those things, they hate. And I think James Wales, to a certain extent, certainly in the view of Ms. Shake there, clearly represented those things. So it's no surprise that they do have this very vitriolic and nasty tone about them. But I think when somebody tells you who they are, you should believe them. These are not the Be Kind Left. These are loathsome, horrible, nasty people. Toby
Starting point is 00:52:48 100%. And that's why I do just want to take this moment, because by the way, if this was someone on the right talking about someone on the left, they would be immediately cancelled. But again, you know the mainstream media will ignore this. But Ben Habib, this went even further because Paula London, who's a GB News contributor, responded to Bush for shake, and Bush responded saying, she wants to physically fight me because I couldn't give two shits that a horrible genocide supporting broadcaster who referred to me as a jihadi is now dead. Cry Paula, cry free speech darling. Paula replied saying, I would destroy you bitch. Now, as I say then, the reason I'm talking about this is because I know James Whale would love this, right? James Whale would love this. He would be saying, this is brilliant. This
Starting point is 00:53:28 is so great that my death has sparked this type of reaction. And actually, it really is a moment, I think, where we see what the likes of Bushra Sheikh are really about. So I said I heard the sad death of James Whale Well in a as I was getting ready to come on your show because I was in a meeting before the show and I haven't had a chance to say anything about it but I'm obviously very very saddened by his death. He was a man who had no qualms about calling anyone out on his show and he often called people out on what you might argue was his side of the debate. If they said something he disagreed with, he would absolutely go for the jugular.
Starting point is 00:54:07 And I think if Bush R. Shape was now in his studio, he would absolutely go for her jugular, which is why I'm smiling, because I can just imagine the way he would treat her. She would get like five seconds of dispense, you know, he'd dispense with her in five seconds. It would be over and done, you know, he dispensed with her in five seconds, it would be over and done, you know, instantly. He was a man with a very capable sharp tongue. And Bush O'Shaik has completely revealed herself. She's quite vitriolic. Narenda Kaur, we're going
Starting point is 00:54:37 to talk about her later, I think she's slightly different. She's a Sikh. And I puzzle over Narenda sometimes. Bush O'Shaik is, you knowra Sheikh is quite a difficult woman, I think. Oh, God, that's for sure. That is absolutely for sure. I like this from Red Lip Riots, who said, Bushra Sheikh just danced on James Whale's grave, spitting bile before the man's even cold. And this is the Be Kind left in all its glory. Mask off, venom out.
Starting point is 00:55:07 A man fights, cancel with courage, entertains millions, leaves the legacy of free speech and fearless radio and she sneers. Good riddance. Imagine tweeting that about anyone from her own political tribe. She'd demand sackings, bans, hate crime investigations. But Mocking the Dead is apparently fine if they weren't on her team. That's who they are. Moral vacuums wrapped in slogans. Bush was finished, sponsors media at any party giving her a platformer now choosing to own her venom. James Whale didn't need her approval to matter, he was a giant. She's a footnote of hate who just torched her own reputation for a dopamine hit, the public will remember. And I was thinking a lot about James this afternoon when I heard this news, and when
Starting point is 00:55:53 I saw Bush's response, that's why I decided to include it in our coverage, because I know that's what he would have been telling me to do. Personally, James was an absolute hero to me and a real mentor, actually. So from the first moment that I was in the talk radio studio and I originally was hosting, I think it was the 4pm to 7pm show on a Friday, the drive time show on a Friday and James would follow me from 7pm onwards. And my god, he was like the biggest champion of me. And it was incredible because here was this legend, the guy who literally invented the format in this country. And unlike so many people in broadcasting, who never want to see young people come through, who never want to see other people succeed because they view
Starting point is 00:56:45 it as a threat to their own position. James was the total opposite with me. He gave me advice constantly. He talked about the way that I would cover things on my show. He listened to me. He actually listened to my shows in order to critique what I was doing and say, damn, that was really good. That was bad. I love that. Honestly, it meant the world to me. And so there was an on air James and there was the off air James, but the on air James was always about the punch up, always about the fight. And what people have to remember, because a lot of people have said to me today, but damn, James was awful on the vaccines, for example, and during COVID.
Starting point is 00:57:22 And trust me, I totally disagreed with virtually all of his positions. Very often, this was a guy who, unlike me, would take a contrarian position simply to spark debate. Because very often for James, the art was in the debate rather than in the argument itself. But he was a hero to me. I absolutely adored him. When I was cancelled and went through all of that, you know, it's amazing how many people who were there for you in the past just walk away, but never James Whale. And it was such an honour actually to be at his investiture alongside the people from Talk Radio where he was celebrating. I remember saying that day when I was in that room surrounded by some of the most bonkers and crazy people from the words
Starting point is 00:58:11 of politics and entertainment, we won't have another gathering like this because James is one of those legends, true legends, who brought people from completely across the spectrum. brought people from completely across the spectrum. Now, this is how the news was announced today on his home station, Talk TV. Yeah, sorry to cut that last interview somewhat short, but I have some breaking news, and that is this. With great regret, we bring you the heartbreaking news that our very own James Weil has passed
Starting point is 00:58:47 after his terminal cancer battle. He was 74 years old. James Weil began his career way back in 1975 when he pioneered the late-night phoneme. In his time, he hosted numerous shows for ITV, the BBC, finally ending up with us here at Talk Radio in 2016. Talk to Mike Graham brings you this, a moving tribute to the broadcasting legend that is, that was, James Whale. Broadcaster James Whale, MBE, has died aged 74. James began his remarkable career in the early 1970s when he pioneered a new kind of radio in Britain, the late night shock jock phone in.
Starting point is 00:59:27 By the late 1980s, the James Whale radio show had become a cultural phenomenon, broadcasting every weekend on ITV. He attracted millions of viewers, making him a household name. Ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy The Saw Doctors! James would go on to host a variety of programmes for ITV, Sky and the BBC before finding a new audience with Talk Radio, all the while continuing to make headlines during his appearance on Celebrity Big Brother. In 2006, after surviving kidney cancer, James launched Kidney Cancer UK,
Starting point is 01:00:00 raising hundreds of thousands of pounds. The problems with all cancers is nobody bothers to get checked. And if you get checked early, then you will actually have a much better outcome. But people don't do that. In 2024, James was awarded an MBE in the New Year Honours, recognising his extraordinary contribution to broadcast and charity. If I have a few more months, that will be great.
Starting point is 01:00:23 If I have until next Christmas or this coming Christmas, it will be nice, wouldn't it? But if I die tomorrow, I've had an amazing time and I married an amazing lady. James Well broke the rules, he shaped the airwaves and did it all on his own terms. For millions, James wasn't just a broadcaster. He was a companion, a provocateur
Starting point is 01:00:44 and a good friend that we'll all never forget. God bless you, James. We'll miss you. And then it got even more emotional because TORC broadcast for the first time a final message that James had recorded from beyond the grave. And before James passed, he recorded this, his final goodbye. I'm in the hospice. And I probably won't be here next week. I'm fine. I've got so many drugs in me. I can't feel a thing. What I wanted to say really was,
Starting point is 01:01:26 a lot of people get very upset when someone is going to die. I'm the person who's going to die, and I'm quite relaxed about it, aren't I? You haven't come to terms with it brilliantly. You find it more difficult? I do find it quite difficult. And the hardest bit is when people are sending you such lovely messages, you know, some voice notes and little messages saying how important you've been in their lives and everything.
Starting point is 01:01:59 And it's just thank you for those messages. It's really quite moving. Well, we end up crying quite a lot. They make us cry, but in a good way. Yeah, you... I have no pain from this voice. It just won't work. And it's such a shame for you, because obviously your voice is your thing. Yeah. But the sun is shining.
Starting point is 01:02:33 And I'm kind of going through my life, if you like. And I'm very upset and worried about Nadine. Oh, don't worry about me. We've been having some lovely time reminiscing about all the lovely things we've done, haven't we? We've had a good time together, haven't we? The best. I love you. I love you too.
Starting point is 01:02:50 I love you too. Shall we sign off on the podcast? Thank you for being a listener. I hope it helps in some way. And who knows what's next? So I can only say au revoir. Yes, that's very good. Au re revoir not goodbye. Bye bye guys. Really special and Nadine a very special woman actually who came into James's life after the death of his first wife also from cancer. Nigel Farage was the first to pay tribute live on Torque.
Starting point is 01:03:28 But James, James genuinely was a broadcasting pioneer, a broadcasting legend, the king of late night phone-ins. I mean, and you mentioned the word comedic a moment ago. I mean, he would often take a position that was entirely contrary to what he really believed in, just for the sake of public debate. And if you think about that in the broader context of what freedom, democracy, society is all about, James was completely a part of it.
Starting point is 01:04:00 When he was serious, of course, he really passionately believed in things, and he was grounded in very, very good values. But I first met him in the late 1990s and the first time I met him I went in to do a 10 o'clock till 10.30, let's get my newspaper headlines type thing and I finished up staying on with him till 1am and I thought how the hell am I going to get home and James gave me a lift and he became a good friend over the years. Somebody who I just thoroughly enjoyed being with, somebody who loved life.
Starting point is 01:04:30 Absolutely. And I have to say, my final conversation with James, what was so fascinating was his interest in the media landscape. So it was absolutely fascinating what was happening in this independent space actually in this space on YouTube and what I was doing without spoken. And it was really sad actually because you could see his mind worrying over and thinking, oh God, I would have loved to have done that. And so he was a man who always had his finger on the pulse of the development in the media. But I wanted to end this tribute with James's own words to trigonometry, because
Starting point is 01:05:07 I do think it's a reminder. Things are pretty dark at the moment in the United Kingdom, but it is a reminder in a way, in a manner that only James Whale could deliver about why sometimes we have to focus on what matters. James Whale- Feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for children who are born with cancer. Feel sorry for the young 20-year-olds who one of the parents of young children suddenly finds they've got cancer and they're not going to live very long. I mean, I'm lucky. I've had a good life.
Starting point is 01:05:39 I've made it 70 over 70, heading to 80. But just think of those people you guys I don't know whether you're married or not or with each other I don't really care but imagine if one of you gets it and you've got a responsibility of looking after other people at a reasonably young age in many ways I think I'm really thankful about this I've made old age and loads of people don't and what people don't and What people don't understand all this rioting in the streets and kicking off about stupid things guys. You're all gonna die
Starting point is 01:06:14 So rather than Complaining that way that doesn't really achieve anything It'll quiet and down and then they'll probably still go on for another 10 years and then flare up again it'll quieten down and then they'll probably still go on for another 10 years and then flare up again. Think of a better ways of sorting out our problems. We've never done that as a race have we? You know we've always resorted to violence when we get to a certain stage and it doesn't work. Breaking today, a major row between Norinda Kaur, the hard left activist and LBC's breakfast host Nick Ferrari over comments she made on his show, which resulted in him abruptly ending the interview. So let me take you through the context.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Narenda, one of these hard left flame throwers to turn up to the Thistle Hotel in London's hard left Islington at the weekend after encouragement from the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott and Evening the Morning Star, and Even the Morning Star, which clearly, by the way, was pushing Antifa and the hard left to cause trouble and provide a violent counter demonstration to the peaceful, patriotic, local protesters who were saying, I'm sorry, we simply cannot have our young
Starting point is 01:07:46 women being attacked by illegals in these hotels. Watch Narinder looking for attention at the event. Hey, I am in the centre outside the Thistle Hotel and there is hundreds of people here welcoming and making the refugees in that hotel feel that they're welcoming over there. A tiny little crowd of fascists and racists looking over, sad and with no vibe, talking to themselves and... Refugees are welcoming in. And this was a grift, I'm going to be honest with you, this was a grift from Narenda because she then made another video in order to get more attention naming Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage and even myself.
Starting point is 01:08:37 So as I leave here today, that's the hotel I live at, this hotel, and some of the refugees actually came out to the window, can you imagine how scared they must have been feeling? And they came out and did like heart gestures to say thank you. And it reminded me, coming to this stand-up against racism event, that actually Britain and the majority of British people are about tolerance, and that's what British values are about.
Starting point is 01:09:01 Tolerance, respecting each other, and stamping out hate and racism and fascism. And I'm proud to be British today, having come here today. I'm proud that we are not a nation of hateful, nasty, divisive people. Where was Tommy? Where was Farroj? Where were you, Donald and the rest of you? Where were you? Put your money where your mouth is. I mean, that's absolutely astonishing to me because if you looked at these hard-left Antifa protesters outside that hotel, they were describing the police as
Starting point is 01:09:33 bastards, there were violent confrontations, they were so embarrassed about their actions that the vast majority of them were not prepared to show their face to the police because they were covered in masks and balaclavas and so there was absolutely nothing for this mob to be proud of. But then Narenda Kaur agreed to appear with Nick Ferrari on LBC and things got heated. This was how she put it. I was cut off from LBC Midpoint because how dare I make the point that the ethnicity of the driver who drove into the
Starting point is 01:10:10 football parade in Liverpool had to be revealed immediately in order to stop any riots that would have occurred had he been brown or black. Yet he was talking about the ethnicity of the men accused of rape. Both are. And by the way, Nick Ferrari, my surname isn't hard to pronounce, it's just CORE, not KUWAR. So here's the confrontation. Back to those awful riots of last year, would you accept they were fuelled by a lack of information, a belief that the person involved was an asylum seeker who had come over on dinghy? Would you accept that? No, I wouldn't accept that. what I would accept is that there's been
Starting point is 01:10:46 a massive amount of misinformation fueled those rights and arinda scapegoating scapegoating asylum seekers information misinformation but given that is very dangerous precisely so let's right please let's not let's not give out misinformation then and then we would know that the person behind those horrific attacks on those girls at the dance class was British-born. Nothing to do. So if we had information like that, you will prevent riots. No, you got the rights at that because you were given misinformation that he was a Muslim,
Starting point is 01:11:19 a legal immigrant. I know, and if we'd had the truth, it wouldn't have happened. No, because actually you give the truth now and you still have these demonstrations up and down the country and actually it's not locals. A lot of these protests have British First, EDL, neo-Nazi. Oh yes, I agree. They're not local groups. So and they've been found, this is found to be true. Why are they all wrong? Okay Nick, so when we have the Liverpool... But why are they all wrong, Narenda? we have the Liverpool... But why are they all wrong Narinda? No because even if they did give the information you would still have rights.
Starting point is 01:11:50 We will end it there, that's going before the courts. We're gonna have to end there Narinda. Thank you Narinda Cowher, you're a broadcaster and social commentator. I'm sorry but you cannot get into live cases. I'm grateful for your time. Let's get to the headlines. And Narinda of course viewed her dumping as some type of conspiracy. So I've just been cut off by Nick Ferrori midpoint because I was making a good point because apparently how dare I bring up a life case. We were talking about the alleged cover-up of the ethnicity of perpetrators of crime. So for example, the two men who have been charged with the rape of a poor 12 year old girl,
Starting point is 01:12:28 why that was covered up. And I mentioned last year's race riot, when you tell people the perpetrator is an asylum seeker, brown or black, you will immediately get rights because of the misinformation being spread and the hate towards asylum seekers. And I said for example the Liverpool driver that drove into those crowds of people at the
Starting point is 01:12:49 football parade in Liverpool, I said immediately that to say he was white in order to avoid riots because suddenly silence, no one did a thing at the minute they found out he was white. It was silence, no one cared but had he been brown or black, there would have been riots. So there's a reason why the police or the authorities have to sometimes hide this, because there's obviously a racist undertone here, and you can't deny it. But my point being, he's talking about a live case of two Afghan men who have been charged. Mine was a live case, so how can he talk about it? And I couldn't. It just doesn't make sense. I mean, honestly, genuinely tell me below why he was allowed to talk about the Afghan case, but I wasn't about the Liverpool case.
Starting point is 01:13:33 To my superstar panel now, Ben Habib, the leader of Advanced UK and Charlie Downs of Restore Britain. I mean, Charlie, look, I obviously totally disagree with all of Narenda's talk of that disgusting Antifa violence. Jeremy Corbyn encouraged it at the weekend being anything other than revolting. Certainly not a great example of what it means to be British. However, I do think there is a bit of a hypocrisy that goes on with mainstream media presenters like Nick Ferrari, who are at times hiding behind these contempt of court laws in order to avoid difficult conversations. Yeah, no, I think that's probably true then. I've been on LBC a number of times myself, and they are, let's just say, not the most honest broadcasters. But I do
Starting point is 01:14:25 think there is a larger issue here, which I think is interesting, that there's a number of layers to, which is that these organizations that Narenda Kaur was associating with and marching with in that video, like Stand Up to Racism, for example, these are not like grassroots activist organizations. These are not organic protests. These organizations in many cases, like for example, Stamps Racism, literally receive state funding. Stamps Racism has received hundreds of thousands of pounds from, for example, Bristol Council. It's essentially an arm of the state. And so when you see them deployed at these anti asylum seeker, anti migrant hotel demonstrations, what that is, is the state deploying
Starting point is 01:15:03 its foot soldiers. This is not some organic counter protest. And I think another thing that all of this shows is that the left do not care, as they claim to, they do not care about the working class, they do not care about vulnerable people. What they're actually motivated by is hatred. They're motivated by hatred of Britain, they're motivated by hatred of England. And actually, I think they're motivated by hatred of white people, because that's the thing that seems to unite so many of these people. They just seem to hate everything that the West represents and so you know when you you can't engage honestly with these people because they're not prepared to engage honestly with us. Like Narenda Kaur for example is such a dishonest actor
Starting point is 01:15:37 you know and she uses such dishonest tactics that you can't meet her on a level playing field and so the right response to these people is to not give them the attention they deserve, or rather not give them the attention that they don't deserve, and just dismiss them as essentially mouthpieces of the state, mouthpieces of the regime, that just simply don't represent the interests of anybody apart from those currently in power. Ben, I guess the problem is that so often we see the mainstream media allow people like Narendra Kaur, like Diane Abbott, like Jeremy Corbyn to paint themselves as the good guys, when quite clearly the footage that we saw at the weekend proved to be anything
Starting point is 01:16:19 but. Well, that's the point. And the way they claim the moral high ground by using words like they stand for anti-racism, as if challenging people who've broken into your country illegally is somehow makes you a racist. I'm half Pakistani. My dad is Pakistani. And I'm absolutely appalled by the inability of our state to police our borders and to deter dinghies coming to this country. I'm appalled by the sights of illegal migrants who are criminals by virtue of the fact that they've broken into the country being given four-star treatment, literally. I'm appalled by it and there's nothing racist or xenophobic about wishing to stop it. It must be stopped.
Starting point is 01:17:05 You can't be a nation state if you don't have borders. It's fundamental. Borders are fundamental for the existence of a country. But of course it's the liberal global order that sees, I think this is the kindest interpretation of their motives. They see prosperity for the world as the aim for which they should be going. And in order to deliver prosperity for the world as their, you know, the aim for which they should be going. And in order to deliver prosperity for the world, they need to stand against nation states,
Starting point is 01:17:32 because how do you give all these immigrants and the 7.7 billion people across the world the ability to improve their lot if you don't drag down Western civilization at the same time? That's effectively the agenda that's being delivered. That's the agenda pursuant to which this country's been governed for the last 30 years, which is why just without wishing to bring it back to advanced UK, but our first- Go on, do it. ...statement in our... We have four elements, as I've mentioned, to our mission statement,
Starting point is 01:18:00 the first of which is the nation state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Now you'd think that's a statement of the bloomin' obvious, but it isn't because people who set aside our borders do away with the nation state and we've got to fight for the reinstitution of our borders so that we can be a country, literally, so we can just be a country. Ben Havie, leader of Advance UK, Charlie Downs, who is part of Restore Britain. Thank you so much for being here on today's Superstar panel. Really great stuff. And thank you for your company all day too.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Have to say thank you to some of you for Superchats. Leslie B, Cindy Lu, Radio Gaga 8391, and Alex Marmon as well. And Alex Marmon says, the nobody who wrote a nasty message about James Well, should be a contender for Union Jackass. She showed her true colors and people won't forget. Now that is obviously in reference to Bush Rashaik. And do you know what, Alex?
Starting point is 01:18:58 We were a little bit too late for today, but I'm gonna take this as a nomination for tomorrow because Bush reshape my god she deserves to be nominated I couldn't agree more. Lots of you weighing in though on the debate in regards to Advance UK and whether Tommy Robinson has made a mistake going into this political arena and taking on Reform UK. So Emma Carpenter writes, Advance UK is totally pointless, everyone knows this waste of time. They're just to try and annoy Farage. It won't work. No one knows about
Starting point is 01:19:32 Ben or cares for his aggressive arrogance, waste of time. Annie H says Reform isn't even a party. It's a business with Zia Youssef Mohammed owning half. So she's on the other side of this. Zia Youssef Mohammed owning half, so she's on the other side of this. Baron Tor Munda says, if a general election was held tomorrow, I would vote Reform as I want Labour out. However, Advance UK is my number one choice, and I hope they will grow in time for the general election. I get that. You've got to be strategic, don't you?
Starting point is 01:19:59 And Parenting Skills says Reform UK is the only party in a position to get elected in 2029. I'm very disappointed with Tommy and Ben Habib. I probably won't go to Tommy's rally. Next rally next month now. Although Private Jose, last super chat of the day, B32 says please everyone sign up to Advance UK. It is only £10. So there you go. Split opinion on that. Time now to reveal today's greatest Britain in uni in Jackass though today's nominees for Jackass. Jeremy Corbyn put forward by Darren Donaldson for branding all protesters as far-right fascists. Piers Morgan nominated by Real McCast for calling Tommy Robinson a liar and being called out on this by Tommy on
Starting point is 01:20:38 X. We were going to cover this story today but because of the news of James Wales death we've delayed it until tomorrow but we will come back to that story tomorrow. And Narenda Kaur, nominated by It's Only Me 44 for getting kicked off Nick Ferrari's Albie C-Show for her comments on the Southport riot. And it was close today in third position with 25% of the vote Piers Morgan, the runner up with 32% of the vote, Jeremy Corbyn. But today's Union Jackass, the worst Britain in the world today with 42% of your vote, it's Narenda Kaur. And of course, there can only be one greatest Britain today. This was my nomination, James Whale. You good man, you, the legend of talk radio, the man who bought the talk genre to this country.
Starting point is 01:21:28 That was when I was with all my former friends from, well, my current friends, but my former colleagues from talk radio, Julie Harley Brewer, David Bull, Ian Collins, Kevin O'Sullivan, Alex Phillips, Mike Graham, Jeremy Kyle. And we had such a wonderful night celebrating James Whale after his investiture. And as I say, it was just amazing to see all of these people in the same room that usually I don't think we'll ever see together again in that way. Because James Whale was one of those genuine originals who bridged the divide between news and politics and radio and entertainment and even though unfortunately today's news has been long expected it still certainly hit me like a hammer blow and I'm sure many of you feel the same I know Karen Hanke and the Dan
Starting point is 01:22:20 Wooten Outspoken Club on X was saying she was watching James's final message earlier and just sobbing, just sobbing. So all of my love to Nadine and to all of the colleagues and supporters of James Whale but he puts a smile on my face as well and I'll never forget him, I'll never forget what he did for me and for my career. Okay we're moving to Substack now to team up with the Royal News Network for all of the news out of Buckingham Palace. www.outspoken.live is the address if you do want to sign up. But we will be back with you live tomorrow, 5pm UK time, midday Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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