Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON RESPONDS TO NIGEL FARAGE ATTACK AS ROBERT JENRICK BACKS ISLAM JAIL TAKEOVER

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Get 25% Off @goPure with code DAN at https://www.gopurebeauty.com/DAN #goPurepod BREAKING TODAY: Tommy Robinson has responded to attacks on him by Nigel Farage and his response will surprise you. Meanwhile, Robert Jenrick has gone public to admit there is an Islamic gang epidemic in prisons, with Sharia courts, the worst inmates converting for protection and prison guards fearing offending Muslims. So is it time for the British establishment to apologise to Robinson who was damned as racist and far right, then locked up as a political prisoner, in part for propagating these ideas? Meanwhile, Reform UK, which is apparently Britain’s great hope, has failed in its promise to publish its mass deportation plan. Dan will analyse it all in his Digest next. PLUS: Major interventions on Britain’s political prisoner Lucy Connolly, as former Prime Minister Liz Truss speaks out and Daily Wire star Matt Walsh reveals why the US should drop the UK as an ally as a result of the case. AND: Ricky Gervais shames woke celebrities, just as Jade from Little Mix launches a deranged attack on JK Rowling for trying to protect women’s rights. Plus, Tom Daley and Stormzy decide the British empire is behind all of the world’s ills. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Prince Harry’s disgusting new low, as he does all he can to destabilise cancer-stricken King Charles. This time by investigating changing his Mountbatten-Windsor surname to become a Spencer. We’ll team up with the Royal News Network to analyse the bombshell news. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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episode number 239. I hope you had a wonderful weekend. Breaking today, Tommy Robinson has responded to attacks on him by Nigel Farage. His response may well shock you. Meanwhile, Robert Jenrick has gone public to admit there is an Islamic gang epidemic in prisons with Sharia courts, the worst inmates converting for protection and prison guards fearing offending Muslims. We have a major problem with Islamist gangs in our prisons. Through appeasement and weak leadership they've been able to take control of prison wings. There are reports of sharia courts enforced by floggings and beatings. All that comes as the MSM goes into meltdown over Jenrick taking over the narrative. I want to be disrespectful to you. You made it all about you. The

video was literally all about you. Well I don't, you say that but that's not what I said. It's you walking around tube stations confronting people. So to say that you didn't report what was said to you because you're saying you didn't want to make it all about you is disingenuous. So is it time for the British establishment to apologise to Tommy Robinson who was damned as racist and far-right then locked up as a political prisoner? And by the way, what does Tommy have to say about Nigel Farage now? His response will surprise you. I will show you in my digest next. Then we'll get analysis from Eric Kaufman, the University of Buckingham, author of Taboo,

How Making Race Sacred Produced a Cultural Revolution. We're also going to be hearing about some very exciting plans from Eric too. Also coming up on the show today, major interventions on Britain's political prisoner Lucy Connolly as former Prime Minister Liz Truss speaks out and Daily Wire star Walsh reveals why the US should drop the UK as an ally as a result of the case. Ricky Gervais shames woke celebrities like Jade from Little Mix who has launched a deranged attack on JK Rowling over the weekend for trying to protect women's rights and Tom Daley and Stormzy decide the British Empire is behind all of the world's ills. I'll reveal while thou wrong. Then in the uncancelled aftershow on

Substack, Prince Harry's disgusting you low as he does all he can to destabilise cancer-stricken King Charles, this time by investigating changing his Mount Batten Windsor surname to become a Spencer. I'm raging about this. I'm absolutely raging. I actually think this should be the opportunity now for King Charles to just be like, be done with you. Let's go to parliament.

Let's strip you of the titles. We'll be delighted to no longer have you as a Windsor Harry. So that we're going to be teaming up with the Royal News Network to analyze all of the titles, we'll be delighted to no longer have you as a Windsor Harry, so that we're going to be teaming up with the Royal News Network to analyse all of the weekend's bombshell royal news you can sign up to watch right now after the main show at www.outspoken.live. We'll also reveal the first Greatest Britain in Union jackass of the week at the end of the show and there have been a whole load of choices over the weekend. Your nominees are Greta Thunberg nominated by Boggy Wood for her pathetic display of virtue signaling as she sails into the sunset towards Gaza. Narenda Kerr nominated by Mison Masan because she doesn't believe things and just says what she thinks will

gain her traction and therefore money on eggs. This is because by the way she posted this should have been charged for tanking the economy, forcing everyone's mortgages and rents up and left the country a mess. Not only that, you've continued to fleece taxpayers for life by getting security and a salary for being a work experience PM. Stop defending racists that incite the killing of innocent people. And Susanna Reid. Well, I showed you a little bit of her with Robert Jenrick. I'm going to be talking about her more in the digest, nominated by AlComrade44, who says Susanna Reid is missing the point on purpose as ever in her interview with Robert Jenrick regarding Fair Dodgy. So if you're watching live on YouTube, you can vote in our live chat right now. I will announce the winner of Great Inspiration and Juni and Jackass at the end of the show

and share some of your best moments from the comment section. But now, let's go! The Overton window is changing so swiftly and dramatically on issues that you were previously derided as far right for talking about at all, and that the mainstream media just doesn't know how to catch up on as a result. So after years of claiming that Tommy Robinson, for example, is an extremist for highlighting the Islamist takeover of Britain's prisons,

the surging Tory shadow justice secretary secretary Robert Jenrick, who I think is doing a great job by the way, has now taken that on as an issue of his own. We have a major problem with Islamist gangs in our prisons. Through appeasement and weak leadership they've been able to take control of prison wings. There are reports of Sharia courts enforced by floggings and beatings. The Times reports that separation centres designed to contain the people capable of radicalisation are now being used as shelters from the people that they're targeting. Pedophiles and serial killers like Levi Belfield are converting to Islam for protection. Prison officers even say that sniffer dogs in the unit that contained the Manchester Arena plotter Hashim Abadi were

called off for fear of offending Muslim terrorists. The public expect the government to act. It's time that they reclaimed control of our prisons. Now that new intervention from Jenrick, you could say inspired by the reviews from Tommy Robinson over years, comes as the legacy media starts to view the future Conservative leader as a threat, a real threat, given he's bypassed the usual MSM gatekeepers to go viral by exposing failed London Mercedes-Carnes fare dodgers on the tube. Now that increasingly deranged red-faced no-hopper on the Labour broadcasting company James O'Brien of course had to use Jenrick's moment in the spotlight to play the race card. Shoplifting, drugs in town centres, weird Turkish barber shops. What? Oh, he's doing so well. Weird Turkish barber shops. But

there was a lovely list there of things that get on everybody's nerves. Why would facial hair management get on anybody's nerves? I'm sure I've ever got people over there getting their beards trimmed. Oh, down with that sort of thing. He was doing so well, why does he have to bring also nationality anyway? There has been a proliferation of barber shops up and down the country that many people consider to be disproportionate to the amount of grooming that is necessary. As with the candy stores that you see on Oxford Street there are suggestions that it might involve some sort of money laundering but

you don't really get it with the candy stores because you can't stick the word Turkish in the phrase, you can't do the dog whistle, you can't actually try and make it about the ethnicity of the people responsible rather than the rather than the haribo that they're knocking out on an industrial scale in a shop that nobody seems to go into on Oxford Street in London. Over on Woke ITV's Good Morning Britain, lefty Susanna Reid did her best to talk generic down. I want to be disrespectful to you. You made it all about you. The video was literally

all about you. Well, I don't, you say that, but that's not what I've actually... It's you walking around tube stations confronting people. So to say that you didn't report what was said to you because you're saying you didn't want to make it all about you is disingenuous. Well, the Home Secretary's husband, Ed Balls, tried to do Yvette Cooper's bidding once more.

So it's a big national issue. Literally everyone you meet? Yeah, almost everyone. Literally everyone? I was literally in the green room just now on your show. Literally everyone you meet says they've seen a fair dodger. Literally everyone. When you say literally everyone, do you mean literally not everyone?

It's a turn of phrase, Ed. OK, fine, that's fine. Turn of phrase is entirely false. No, because actually, almost everyone I've spoken to has said this. Even somebody just now in the green room, one of your producers came up to me and said, thank you for doing the video. I've seen it myself. I think it is a massive national problem. You've seen it, Ed.

And it's bigger than this. Did you hear that at the end? So after all that ranting from Ed Balls trying to trap Robert Jenrick because he happened to use the word literally, did you hear Ed Balls at the end admit, I've seen it too? So even the haters have to admit that Jenrick is making an impact. So where does this leave Tommy Robinson for so long shunned by the political establishment? As Basil the Great pointed out on X over the weekend, the establishment owe Tommy Robinson a massive apology.

Robert Jenrick admits Islamic gang epidemic in prisons, sharia courts, worst inmates converting for protection, prison guards fear offending Muslims. Tommy has been saying this for decades and he's saying it again this weekend too in a new interview with Andrew Eborne over on Octopus TV. So, yeah, everyone has an email, everyone has a computer, you can have a kettle, I don't think everyone should have a kettle. I don't think everyone should have a kettle, because so many people get... I saw, you heard about what happened.

Yeah, but that's happening, I don't think people understand the level it's happening. In Woodhill, on the one day where there was an officer who was standing there headed, did you see that in the news? There was three officers attacked just that day. Now I spent not much time, I didn't walk from A to B, and obviously I was always asking questions at the staff. When I was going to walk from A to B and obviously I was always asking questions at the start. When I was getting walked from A to B in one certain day period a female officer had a nose broke, a male officer lost his teeth

and another officer was attacked with a boiling water. That's what I knew about just in my interactions of being walked from here to there listening to the radio. So there are, I don't think, I think when you see servicemen, I think servicemen should have a round of applause and people should shake their hands and thank you for them service. I now have to talk that opinion that that's what people need to do when they see prisoners. Now in that interview, Tommy also addressed this ongoing criticism that he is far right and racism while talking for the first time since leaving prison about those direct attacks that were made on him by the Reform UK leader Nigel Farage while he was behind bars.

I think they and they've managed successfully to tarnish me and make me toxic, which is now difficult for them because they can make you toxic so long as they can tell people how to think about me. But then now I have my own platform, thanks to Elon Must find a free speech platform, Vex, and now I can let people hear what I think and what I'm saying. So the misconception is I'm not far right, never have been, never will be. The actual genuine far right despises me, the genuine racist despises me, but what's become so weak is we've given the term to our rights to anyone who disagrees with the communist Marxist open border policies of globalism. Now Elon's been supported you very publicly, what would you

have to say to him? I'm forever grateful, I'm forever grateful that he has given opportunity for the people in this country to have a voice on both sides. It's not like he brought X and just get one side of political debate. It's for everyone, whereas before it was for one side and that's it. So I think I've said many times, Elon will be remembered, I think, in history as the man who saved free speech and in this country it's been eroded, it's been taken and the public have been fearful and they wanted you to think you're part of a fringe group, but you're not, you're the mainstream. The majority of

the British public want to defend British culture, want to celebrate identity, don't want to be made to feel ashamed of who they are, want their children to grow up in a safe and prosperous Britain, are against the Islamisation, against the rape gangs, against all these things, but they want you to feel alone, and you're not alone, you're not alone. But they were successful for a period through to their, through to the censorship. But I think those days are gone. And I'm quite happy and excited about what comes next for Britain. I think this shift in public opinion that people are seeing, you just saw it in Reform's recent election.

And I know there's been a lot that's gone on, certainly whilst I was in custody with regards to reform, Nigel Farage, I would just say that I want what's best for Britain. And I think Britain's primed for political revolution. That does not have to mean people attacking each other. I just want to make sure that the country is primed and the people are primed, they have their voice. Now Andrew Ebon then pushed him directly on Nigel Farage. His response may well surprise you. I've been asked about that who's on Tommy Robinson. Nigel mentioned Nigel Farage. Robinson. Nigel mentioned Nigel Farage. What's your kind of view of Nigel?

I don't know if Nigel's... I understand people's concern and fear. As I said, I was made into a toxic brand successfully and Nigel may be worried about that. My words would be Nigel, I'm not your enemy. I'm certainly not your enemy. And regardless of what's been said, I just think that the politics of trying people under the bus or feeling like you need to do that, you don't need to anymore. You don't need to anymore. Maybe Nigel's bought into the media perception of himself. Nigel, I've never met Nigel. I think people should be judged on not what the media are telling you. You should find out who people are for yourself. And that's something we should touch on last time we spoke about actually the liberation if you like of X as it's now called meant that you have a platform to say exactly what you want to say what Tommy Robinson wants to say. You may disagree with it but it's what you want to say

without it being edited. Without it being edited it's people who hear what I'm saying, not what they're saying I'm saying. So it's so easy to take headlines and clips and try and cause divide, or so many in the media have done that for years. So when people actually take in context what I'm saying, they realise, oh, he's not an extremist. He's actually quite a fair bloke, and a normal bloke. And yeah, I think that the country's ready

for serious change, and I've been waiting, many in Europe have been waiting to see this. I've watched populism. I watched it first start in India under Modi. I watched Brazil. Then we saw America with Trump. And we've seen other European nations, it's happening. We've just been waiting. Britain needs this.

And I've made it pretty clear, yeah, I want to play my part. I believe my skill and my part is to unite people in a fabulous cultural movement and also to use journalism. I didn't want to be a politician. I didn't want to be a politician. I didn't want to be involved in politics. I was quite happy that there's a political voice for people. We just want to make sure that voice is true. That's it. So I found that fascinating actually. I couldn't agree more that a whiff of revolution is in the air and the best way to save Britain is for the right to unite. So you will note there was no

attack back to Nigel Farage. Tommy Robinson didn't do that. Nigel has shifted the Overton Window too on the invasion of the United Kingdom via the southern border, which saw more terrorists, rapists and murderers imported into our country in record numbers again this weekend. Which is just absolutely horrifying. But of course, it is time, I think, for Nigel to accept that Reform UK is wrong to shut out anyone who has previously been branded far right when their biggest crime may have just been sharing the fares of a majority of Brits about the future of our once great United Kingdom.

The real enemy is the MSM. The MSM, working with the political establishment and working with nefarious forces like Antifa to try and destroy reform and Farage. Now I've got to show you this fascinating exchange. It happened in Scotland today. Nigel clashed with the left-wing legacy media there accusing the Scottish newspaper The Herald of leaking details of his press conference venue to enable Antifa protesters to gather outside. Andrew Leomouth, it seems that you're involved with this group of protesters outside. No.

Well it's funny isn't it that you that you come and your newspaper also met managers to have another one of your correspondence as a protest correspondence union more about this than we did that's not true at all night or sorry really absolutely not to be a good reporters in apricot and come on there and they're both here very good to report is going to have a look at it as well money in so many staff it must be remarkable

to carry on Have you No, if you say that I believe you I don't know that you do believe me but I didn't but And I don't know what's gonna ask you. Well, let's talk about the protest this location We'll only send to you guys. It wasn't put out in the public wires We didn't put it out to our membership and yet they knew so it came from one of you Well people were tweeting about Anyway, carry on. Sorry. Well, let's talk about the protest because I'm not entirely clear what you were accusing John Swinney of earlier

When you talked about him inciting her or his insightful language Well, what are you saying that he's putting you at risk or something was what's what use the racist word, didn't he? You know, despite the fact, as I've pointed out, we have many members from all communities, some of whom are in very senior positions within our party. According to the experts, we got more BAME, if you believe in all this, more BAME voters in the last general election than the democrats and we get even more this time we just want to live in a country where everybody is treated equally everybody is treated on merit regardless of race sexual preference or whatever else it may be and as for outside well you know who they are they're antifa um at least half of them wearing face coverings, which I don't think should be allowed, do you?

I just love that. Okay, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. I just love that. I love it. Vintage Nigel. Vintage Nigel. And so I think you now just have to imagine the power of a united movement on the right. To discuss this further, now it's time for the uncancelled interview. And I'm delighted to have with us for the first time great man Eric Kaufman. He is professor of politics at the University of Buckingham, author of Taboo, How Making Race Sacred Produced a Cultural Revolution. He is also Director of a new centre for non-woke social research. This is so cool. And his conference on Heterodox Social Science will bring together over 30 high profile speakers,

including Gad Saad and Matt Goodwin. So Eric, so good to have you on Outspoken for the first time today. We will speak much more about your new projects later in this show. But I'm interested to see what you think about this change that seems to be happening in the mainstream media with our political figures.

So obviously, we saw a few examples there. You've got Robert Jenrick being monstered by the woke on ITV for a clip that went so naturally viral over the weekend. You've got Tommy Robinson doing his thing in the independent media and then Nigel really deciding to take on the mainstream media in Scotland. Do you sense some sort of major change going on, Eric? Thanks, Dan. Yeah, I really do. And I think the way to think about this is across the West, woke ideas, which really seemed inevitable. They were rising in the 2010s, peaked with the George Floyd moment.

They seemed unstoppable. And then just in the last two, three years, we see politicians like AOC and Pete Buttigieg removing pronouns from their bios. We see companies cutting back on DEI, obviously Trump, DeSantis, and others going on the offensive. And now the accusation, for example, of racism just doesn't carry the same weight that it does anymore. Even the top newspapers are no longer talking about racism and white supremacy the way they used to in 2020, 2021. So we have a whole cancellations way down. We have a whole bunch of evidence that a lot of the oomph has kind of gone from this movement.

Doesn't mean that the true believers don't still truly believe and Britain isn't America, but still I just think they've lost confidence. And the point that I make in my Wall Street Journal article, for example, is that this isn't just about the last five or 10 years and turning back from a little detour on woke. President Trump, for example, has rescinded an executive order on affirmative action that is 60 years old, 1965. Legislation on what's called disparate impact law all around DEI, this idea of equal outcomes and emotional harm protection, 40, 50, 60-year-old

stuff is being rescinded. We're talking about a major, major transformation. And that's kind of the point I make is this isn't just about the last five to 10 years. This is the end of the road for something that's been going for 60. And we're going to start to see a much more questioning, I think, questioning attitude about this direction in the culture. Do you think there is a role in the future of politics or the culture in the culture. Will Barron Do you think there is a role in the future of politics or the culture in the United Kingdom for Tommy Robinson? Because you'll know that in the US he is very much accepted within right-wing circles, the independent media. He's been a guest on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox News, for example.

He's supported by a lot of people who I would consider relatively mainstream right-wing figures, Jordan Peterson and Coulter. But in the UK, his name is almost toxic, it's radioactive in the mainstream. Can you see that changing? Well, look, I think he's had an impact, he's bringing attention to the grooming gangs issue, for example. Even if he himself isn't really the spokesman for this going forward, that's made an impact, right? So it may get through Robert Jenrick rather than Tommy. Now, I don't know, I can't say whether he's gonna be rehabilitated enough so that he might

wind up at number 10 one day as a guest, I don't know, but what I do know is that- Or as Prime Minister! Ha! Stranger things have happened, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm not fully aware of all of his personal history. I just think there might be some- too many ghosts there for the average Brit. But I do think that it's not to say that the things he's drawn attention to have not made an impact, which I think they have.

Yeah, it's very interesting. And then you've got Robert Jenrick, right, who I think is doing absolutely the right thing as an insurgent Tory. Like, I mean, Eric, I think we can both agree we were hugely let down by the Conservative Party on a whole load of issues, including woke, by the way, for the past 14 years. They didn't do what they promised us that they would. So I think it's going to be very, very difficult for that party to ever seek back the trust of the British public. So I start from that point. However, I'm loving what Jenrik is doing. I'm loving the fact that the mainstream media is so annoyed. I mean, could you see the snary nature of Susanna Reid there?

And it's almost like she just doesn't like the fact that he doesn't need to go on Wokai TV and Good Morning Britain anymore. That one video posted on Elon Musk's free speech platform X ricocheted around the world, has had millions and millions and millions of views, far more views than he would ever get by appearing on the legacy media. And that is something that I think old media figures like Susanna Reid can't get her head around. Yeah, I mean, however, he's also doing well on legacy media too. Yes he is. The question really, I think, is how does this shake out? Because reform has really got the momentum now.

Genrec is, of course, an insurgent, but within an established party that, of course, has lost a lot of trust because of the way they handled immigration and woken other issues. And I guess my worry is, I'm Canadian and in Canada, we had a reform party and the conservatives splitting the vote on the right for better part of 15 years and allowed essentially the left to come into power election after election. If reform voters don't trust the conservative brand

and won't vote for it, the question is, how do we avoid that Canadian situation? And I'm still not sure I see a way, an obvious way out of it. You know, a unite the right movement, you know, in Canada, it took three elections and I worry that it would take a few cycles before we see a generic led Tory party uniting the right, because a lot of reform voters probably won't trust them. I don't know what you think on this, I'd be interested. ALICE Yeah, I mean, oh god. I have so many mixed views.

I was very, very much behind what Reform UK were doing until they reported Rupert Lowe to the police, for hurty words. And for me, Eric, I'm not going to lie, it crossed a line of lawfare that I don't believe, especially a so-called conservative party, a right-wing party should do. So I was very disappointed by that. I mean, look, I was colleagues with Nigel Farage at GB News for three years. I think he's a good guy. I don't really blame him for what's going on.

But I'm also now concerned that Reform UK seems to be presenting itself as a party of the left as much as if it's a party of the right. So I think there's still years to go right before this election. And I'm not prepared to be one of these people at this point who says our only hope, our only hope is Reform UK. No, no, no. I think we need to have quite a lot of hope and quite a lot of different movements at the moment and see which one takes off and try and

shift the Overton window on a whole load of issues. Like, by the way, Rupert Lowe has done on the issue of mass deportation. So it's, it's not simple, but obviously I do agree with you that our first past the post system does make it really difficult if there are two main parties of the right but like surely we actually deserve a true party of the right like I'm really not keen on this whole thing from Reform UK at the moment, no we're not a party of the right, no I think what the UK desperately needs and deserves at the moment is a true small c conservative party of the right. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what happens over the next few years.

Breaking right now, there have been two major interventions on the case of the UK's political prisoner Lucy Connolly, who remains behind bars for one tweet on the night of the South Port massacre. Now, I'll come to Liz Truss, the former Prime Minister, and what she's had to say about this at CPAC in Hungary very shortly. But first, Matt Walsh, who is a major figure in the independent media in the US, behind two massive hit movies, Star of the Daily Wire and someone who I am so delighted has taken on this cause because as you know I started talking about Lucy Connolly here on Outspoken immediately after her sentencing and at that point her case was still considered radioactive, it hadn't gone international, no one in the mainstream media was prepared to talk about

her and through the campaigning that I have done with Alison Pearson of the Daily Telegraph, all of a sudden, this case is now international. And what's more, and what's so important about the work that Matt Walsh for the Daily Wire has done about this, is he is very much linking the incarceration of Lucy Connolly to the fact that it is just impossible for the United States of America, a country that believes in free speech, to truly be allies with slippery stama while this type of rubbish is going on. So I'm going to get more analysis on this in just a moment with Eric Kaufman, who is of course professor of politics at the University of Buckingham, author of Taboo, How Making

Race Sacred Produced a Cultural Revolution. But first, in just six seconds, Matt Walsh sums up why this case matters so much. So many other alleged liberal democracies across the West has become a left-wing dictatorship. There's no way around it. We are. We truly are. But before he really went into the story, he wanted viewers to imagine the worst possible tweet that could be said. Could any tweet be so bad as to get you locked up for over two years.

So I want you to picture the single worst tweet you can imagine. And I don't mean worst tweet as in an extremely dumb tweet. It's easy to think of one of those. I mean the worst tweet as in the kind of tweet that poses a threat to civilization as we know it. I mean the kind of tweet that merits the direct involvement of the president of the United States and the entire judicial system. I mean, the kind of tweet that judges will punish

far more severely than most federal crimes, including the following crimes that I will list. Crime number one, exposing yourself to a 13-year-old girl and then stalking her through the streets when she spots you, forcing the girl to bang on the doors of random apartments so that she can hide. Crime number two, publicly threatening to murder an infidel who dares to insult Mohammed.

Crime number three, sexually assaulting a 12-year-old. And then crime number four, domestic abuse, including physical abuse over a three-year period. Now these are all very serious crimes, but again, in our little experiment, these offenses pale in comparison to your tweet of 280 characters or less. Your single tweet will do more damage than any of those atrocious crimes. Now Matt Walsh, who's a very smart guy, then came up with a tweet that he thought would

be worth that punishment. Watch. Now the problem you may be running into is that it would seem literally no tweet could possibly ever be that bad or destructive. And that's true unless maybe it's a tweet that, say, discloses America's nuclear launch codes along with instructions about how to launch the nukes. I mean, that might rise to launch the nukes. I mean, that might rise to the level we're discussing.

But if that's the kind of tweet you're imagining, then you didn't quite nail it. Because thanks to our alleged allies in the United Kingdom, we have the definitive answer to this thought experiment. So here is the tweet that, according to the UK justice system, is so unthinkable and so barbaric that it is worse than assaulting a child. Now, we all know that tweet, right? We've all seen it. Most of us think, it wasn't a great tweet, but it certainly didn't cause any violence.

I mean, it was deleted after a few hours. And Matt Walsh is actually very, very clear that Lucy Connolly did not incite violence at all. ... and stalking children. It's one of the worst things you can say out loud or post on social media. It's basically a nuclear bomb in tweet format. Now you might be thinking to yourself, that's it? I mean, by the standards of social media, it's extremely tame. She's not even directly calling for anyone to commit acts of violence. There's no direct incitement here. She's saying she wouldn't care if other people committed acts of violence.

Now every day, by contrast, there are about 10 million posts that directly threaten other people in very specific terms. Ask me how I know. So how exactly is this one post such a big problem? And when you consider the context of the post, that question becomes even more difficult to answer. Well, of course. And the context of the Southport massacre is really impossible.

And I understand why it's impossible for Americans to understand. This obviously was a very big story. We've talked about it several times on the show. Once again, here's what the killer looked like. You can see him there. It's nightmare fuel, as you can see. This photo alone is grounds for the immediate deportation of this individual along with everyone related to him.

But even before this attack, there were about a million other grounds for deportation. When you look into this story, it was a very preventable act of terrorism. Now, for one thing, the killer had repeatedly been referred to counterterrorism investigators in the years prior to this murder spree at the dance studio He was threatening people left and right So after learning all of the details of the crime and we know that the Southport massacre Completely horrified us as a country and touched the world Matt Walsh

Does not actually blame Lucy Connolly for what she said at all. It also wasn't surprising that she'd talk about burning various migrant encampments inside the UK, whether or not so-called asylum seekers and government officials were inside them. And that's because when people witness the brutal execution of small children inside their own country at the hands of foreign nationals who have no business being anywhere near their country, they're liable to become upset. They're liable to wonder why they even have a government if it can't keep them safe from Rwandan migrants,

particularly Rwandan migrants who have been unstable and dangerous for many years. And Mark Mollich then summed up what the jailing of this political prisoner actually says about the dire state of our United Kingdom. To be clear, Lucy Connolly was not threatening to commit any act of violence. She wasn't saying that she was about to go out and torch a migrant hotel or kill any politician, nor did she tell anybody else to do it. There was no imminent threat of violence. She was expressing frustration as she has every right to do in a free country. But the UK is not a free country, which is why Lucy Connolly, for the crime of sending that one tweet, was just sentenced to two and a half years in prison.

Two and a half years in prison for that tweet. Now you may have heard about this case, especially now that the Trump administration says that it's monitoring, quote unquote, the situation. It's also been picked up by a few different outlets. But to really understand how pathological and disturbing this prosecution is, you need to see some of the details behind Lucy Connolly's appeal, which was just rejected by a panel of three judges. So Eric Kaufman, Matt Walsh says quite clearly the Lucy Connolly imprisonment shows that

the UK is not a free country. Do you agree? Yes, I do agree. I think there's a big problem here with the law, but not so much the law as how it's interpreted through quangos and various arm's length bodies like the Crown Prosecution Service, which first of all advised, first of all took on this case, secondly, somehow advised Lucy Connolly to plead guilty and it's because she pled guilty, and this is one of the reasons

it's very difficult to change this verdict. Once you've got that guilty plea in, legally and technically, it's snookered her in a way. But that implicates the British deep state, if you like, the swamp, whatever you wanna call it, the CPS is involved, which is a known very woke arm of the state. All of these bureaucratic bodies are thoroughly permeated

with activism, DEI, that are warping the operation of the government. And even if Stammer actually personally didn't want to see Connolly behind bars, the fact that all this power has been kind of delegated out to these bodies, which are unaccountable, means that it's not possible for politicians to easily get control. You have to unpick all of the legislation that's created these bodies, wind them up and essentially make them accountable to parliament. Without that, we're not gonna get sanity.

Even if you say, you know, non-crime hate incidents can be barred and they can still occur. Police departments may still investigate these things. So I think it's the way in which the tentacles, the kind of grievance industrial complex tentacles have kind of insinuated themselves into the deep state, the blob, that needs a wholesale reform.

The Tories, when they were in government, did very little to bring back the powers. Well, indeed. And it's interesting you talk about the Tories here, because I absolutely do embrace the intervention from Boris Johnson last week and now Liz Truss. So we've got two former prime ministers, but I want to show you what Liz Truss had to say, by the way, at CPAC in Hungary. I think we can say with Truss, well, she didn't really get a chance to change all of this, but certainly there's an irony, isn't there, there with Boris, because a lot of these laws that

I used, like the non-crime hate incidents, were introduced during the Tories time and power. But this is what Liz Truss had to say. Watch this and I'll get you to react off the back, Eric. It used to be the case that people would flee Eastern Europe to go to countries like Britain where there was freedom, where there was free speech, where there was free enterprise. Now people are being locked up in Britain for speaking out in public. Lucy Connolly was sentenced to 31 months in jail for posting on X, even though she deleted the post four hours later.

And last week, she tried to appeal to be let out of jail early for good behaviour. Now Britain's jails are full, and rapists, paedophiles are being let out of jail early, but not Lucy Connolly, because the system want to make an example of her. Zlishtra Swai? She's right, but I think, you know, in order to fix this, it requires, you know, something like we're seeing with the Trump administration where you have a long set of policies, you come in on day one with a plan and you execute it.

And your point being the Tories didn't do that. In fact, the Tories created this situation. Yeah, they made speeches. You know, they're good. It's good. You have to have the words as well as the actions. We saw words. We saw words from Kemi, which were good words. We saw even some attempts to, for

example, deal with indoctrination in schools. Nadim Zahawi issued some guidance around political indoctrination in schools, but that was such baggy guidance, for example, there was no follow-through. It meant the schools could continue to teach critical race and gender ideology, which they are doing roughly eight in 10, a survey that I conducted, roughly eight in 10 British secondary school students will have encountered at least one critical race or gender concept. So they did nothing concrete. This requires rooting the stuff out, rooting branch, and that will also require unpicking the powers of a lot of bodies being very sort of prescriptive. You know, you can't do DEI, you can't do diversity, you know, radical critical race theory, diversity training in your organization, you know, even Stonewall saying, you know, Stonewall can't be in the government, but actually there was very

little follow through. Stonewall remained in many departments for a long time. So it wasn't important enough as an issue for the Tories to go after it in a way that a DeSantis would have gone after it. That has to change. We need to have a government that's serious. It didn't seem like the Tories cared about woke in government as an issue. And so this is why we see something like this, the prosecutions, door knockings,

you know, the pride police cars and buses and whatever. I mean, that is because you have no follow through. You had no follow through from the Tories and justifiably people got annoyed. And this is one of the reasons they've been punished. Yeah, indeed. I think another real issue, Eric, in the United Kingdom that the United States don't have is the oversized role that the British Bashing Corporation, as I call it, the BBC, play in pushing effectively state propaganda. So there was one example that related to Lucy Connolly. This was from the show on Friday night, I believe, and it featured the Labour peer Aisha Hazarika talking about the Lucy Connolly case. Watch this. The despicable racist things which she had tweeted on a regular basis, that is fine,

that is her right. She might hate people like me, a Muslim person like me, the colour of my skin, she might hate that, that is her right. But when she goes and says to go and burn down hotels where people like me, brown skinned people or anyone else might be, that's where she crosses the line. And even he was acknowledging, you can say your hateful, horrible things, but if you then go when we are in the middle of like a tinderbox situation where half the country is about to erupt into violence and you literally incite violence as people are committing acts of violence. I don't understand why people are so kind of confused about this case. And America has just lost its mind. Like, the idea that this country is not a

free country is completely and utterly ludicrous. That woman was inciting violence. She is free to think her horrible racist thoughts, that is fine. What she isn't allowed to do is go and incite. Now, Anna Island from the Dan Wharton Outspoken Club on X posted on that, Eric, the twisting of context, the gaslighting, the lies, the cover-ups. The BBC has become a disgrace. And the thing is, you know, they always talk about misinformation and disinformation, Eric. Well, what Aisha Hazarika was able to just broadcast with no pushback on the BBC was far more than that. It was a total lie. Like she said, Lucy Connolly directly incited violence. She didn't actually. And by the way, I sat in the Royal courts of justice for the Court Appeal. So I've listened, I've read all of the documentation.

And if you actually look at the sequence scene of her posts on X, right, she deleted this post after hours on the night of the Southport massacre. The riots or the so-called riots started days later. And at that point, Lucy Connolly sent a succession of tweets, opposing the violence, speaking out against the riots. And this was all before there was any police interest in her original tweet, which only came to light because of a left-wing campaign days after. So Aisha Hazarika has not only got the sequence of events wrong, she's also despicable for accusing Lucy Connolly of being a racist. Again, if you look at the court documentation, Lucy Connolly was a childminder for a number

of children from different ethnic groups and their parents provided character witnesses for her, including one of them, Eric, who Lucy was actually helping to obtain British citizenship. So the problem is you can talk about the tweet, absolutely, but you can understand that we've got the British Bashing Corporation there just spreading total lies about the case and no one calls them out for it. Yeah, I mean, the big problem is one thing to have somebody on that side of the debate, but when you have nobody on the other side of the debate, then I think you're not fulfilling your mission as a broadcaster. This is the problem. It's not so much what is said as what's omitted. And so for example, I mean, we now have a case where you have this Irish rap band

where they say, you know, kill your local MP, right? What is the standard we're dealing with here? I mean, are we going to see them in jail for 31 months? I don't think so. There's no question that there is some level at which if you say, go and kill this person now and you incite a bunch of people, then that reaches a certain standard. This is all about saying, what is the standard that needs to be reached? In this case, it's clearly well below. You have to demonstrate and prove the connection, right? You can't just make an assertion.

Like if, for example, someone says Tory scum, like Angela Rayner, does that mean that someone's gonna go out and kill a Tory MP? And we know Tory MPs have been killed, David Amos, but we're not going to throw Angela Rayner in jail for that. So it's all about where is the standard. And I think this Lucy Connolly case,

her words are well below the standard in a free society. We accept, look, this is the point is in a free society, we expect that we accept that speech has unintended many consequences. It's like the butterfly wing on the other side of the world could lead to a chain of events that could lead to somebody being killed. Sorry, in a free society, we accept that.

Just like we accept, look, we take a risk when we walk out our front door, we don't lock down society with every flu virus. Yes, we accept a certain amount of danger. You're not limited to two miles an hour as a speed limit. Likewise, the price of a free society is you allow a very large amount of free speech to reach a standard where you actually convict

that has to be proven that there is an effect. And clearly in this case, that proof isn't there. So it's well below the standard, shouldn't have been, should not have been prosecuted. But that's a very clear argument. You should have had somebody on BBC making it. The fact they didn't have that tells you a lot. Was this the weekend that celebrity wokery finally died? I'm going to show you the massive pushback being faced by Jade Thirlwall, a member of the group Little Mix, going on stage

and getting thousands of people to chant F-U to JK Rowling for simply standing up for women's rights and the complete ludicrous response to Greta Thunberg's little voyage to Gaza with a whole load of fellow queers who will probably get thrown off buildings if they actually do truly try to live in Palestine. But the person who has burst their bubble is I think the guy who hopefully will claim back sanity in Hollywood. This weekend the brilliant Ricky Gervais, a comedian who has always prized free speech above anything else, who has always fought against wokery and who has always been prepared to deliver some home truths to those privileged Hollywood losers, was awarded his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. His ceremony was attended by some of

the most powerful people in Hollywood, including Ted Sarandos, the boss of Netflix. the boss of Netflix. And on stage, Ricky Gervais made it clear that he thinks they see changes coming. Now we're going to analyze this in just one moment with Eric Kaufman, Professor of Politics at the University of Buckingham, who is also a director of a new center for non-woke social research.

So he's all across this subject. But first, let's listen to these incredibly wise words from Ricky Gervais. For a minute, thank you so much for this honour. It's a genuine thrill to be part of such an exclusive club. And just looking around earlier at all the other stars, absolute icons, you know, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Fatty R. Buckle. Thank you to the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce for this, genuinely, it's extraordinary. I am humbled to have my name etched on this legendary walk of fame, a place that celebrates

the dreamers and doers of the industry. I'd love to claim that it was due to my unrivaled genius, but truth be told, it's a cocktail of luck, persistence and a little bit of pushing against the tide. Do you know what I mean? You know, you've got to polarise, I think. You need to know that if you're doing anything of any worth, as many people hate you as love you. But the ones that hate you, they shouldn't affect you. The ones that love you they buy your house you know i mean they're the so i'd like to thank them um and we've had a few weird years of council culture people telling you what you can and can't laugh at or talk about but we pushed back and we won

until the next time um and there will be a next time. I mean, look, Eric Kalpen, firstly, I couldn't love Ricky Gervais anymore. Right. I actually think he has been alongside JK Rowling, probably the most important pop culture figure of a generation because he is way too powerful to cancel. And he is almost single-handedly claiming back the rights of comedians, which has been so important. But what do you make of what he said there, that actually, for the moment, we've won? Do you really believe that? Do you really feel like the anti-woke free speech crowd has won in Hollywood?

Because I could show a whole load of examples that prove that's not true. I think it's more of a battle. I think in the US the battle is going better because the political wins are more favourable and it's right in the crosshairs of the administration. And there's a lot of state level activity too. But I think in Britain, in Canada, where I'm from originally, there isn't anywhere near the level of success that we see in the US. I'm hopeful it'll

come. It's interesting you raised this because we have a course on Wednesday, Gad Saad and Matt Goodwin and Baccio and Gar Sargaard are gonna be debating this question of the end of woke here in London. So then this is something I'm very excited to host. I think there are currents moving in different directions. Yes, we see the number of people canceled is down. The number of times that New York Times and major newspapers use terms like white supremacy

and racism is down. DEI in the US has been rolled back, universities in the US, again, are declaring themselves politically neutral instead of, you know, spouting the latest progressive slogan. But that's in a climate where the political right has really taken steps to essentially beat back this ideology. In Britain and in Canada and Australia and other places,

it's much less advanced and therefore, woke has a lot more yardage to run. The other thing I would say is that there are other indicators, for example, you know, if you look at progressive spaces, whether that be blue sky, whether that be the Democratic National Committee. They're doubling down.

In the universities, they're trying to rebrand DEI as the Office of Community Belonging and something a bit more anonymous, which is still progress, but it shows there's a lot of resistance still amongst the true believers. So I don't think the true believers have changed, but I do think some of the influential senior liberal elites, you know, the newspaper editors,

university presidents, corporate leaders, like Zuckerberg and Musk and Bezos and these people, they have changed. And I think that's very important, but I don't think this war is over. And again, you know, people said political correctness was done in 1991. And actually it roared back with a passion in the 2010s.

Now I think it is the 2010s great awakening was a bit different because this really went off campus into the newspapers, into social media in a much bigger way than it did in the late 80s, early 90s, which I can still remember. And so I think they've exposed their cards and staked a lot more in the Great Awakening. And the backlash against that has actually started deciding elections. I think the stakes are just much higher

and I'm not sure that it's gonna be possible for woke to sort of present itself as new, even 20 years from now. I just think this is such a part now of the culture, the antidote is building. And so I guess I think, you know, I don't think woke will because there are still some horrible examples, right? And I wanted to show you one over the weekend, which I found really, truly upsetting, right? So there is what would have previously been described as a big gay festival in London, but it's now uses this awful term LGBTQI, you know, all of that weird stuff. And Jade Thirlwall, who was a member of the girl group Little Mix, went up on stage. Now, I've always thought she's a very nice person, but she's very much to the hard left of politics. She went up on stage and left a foul-mouthed chant against a whole load of people, but including JK Rowling. And I just sort of feel like you're a female pop star JK Rowling is standing up for women and you're doing this to her and

shame on all of the crowd that just cheered along watch this. Fuck you! Transformed! Fuck you! Take care, Roland! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! like they think they're the kind ones. They really do believe that. But yes, and that is depressing. And in their spaces, they still, they're all true believers. But if we look at public opinion of the under 25s on, for example, single sex washrooms, should there be male and female washrooms, or should they all be unisex, which is the trans position.

In Britain, for example, only 20% of young people supported separate male and female washrooms only in 2022. That's gone up to 50%. 30 points increase in the number of young people who say, no, we want separate male and female washrooms, not just these unisex washrooms. They've turned against, you know, natal males and women's sports. Again, so despite that picture, in the greater scheme of public opinion, they're losing. And that's my only point. I'm not saying that every space

is going to be claimed by sanity, but I think for every one of those pictures you have, you know, again politicians dropping pronouns from their bios. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I guess pop stars are maybe sometimes the last to feel the force of this because they don't need to. I've got to ask you about Greta Thunberg, to Link Lauren posted this week. I'm sorry, I've got to. It's funny. We can view this as funny because I quite like Link Lauren's taken it. He said, this little lesbian just hitches herself to every social movement for clout.

It's almost like performance art. And I was sort of thinking maybe it is because I'll show you that firstly, she's at this pro-Palestinian or pro-Hamas protest Then she's actually Got on a yacht She's heading to Palestine with a whole load of fellow queers for Palestine type folk who as I've said would be thrown off the roofs and and killed if if they Brought their sexuality to most Hamas run areas. Look at this. Show me what democracy looks like Show me what democracy looks like Show me what the people look like

And then he's on the little yacht I am currently standing on the Madeleine the ship that on Sunday June 1st will attempt to again sail towards Gaza and to try to break the siege and open up a humanitarian corridor by delivering aid like food and medical supplies. The last time we attempted this about a month ago the both conscience that we were about to board just a couple of hours before we were about to board just a couple of

hours before we were planning to board and set sail it got bombed twice and all evidence suggests that it was Israel who did it oh my god so now we are here in Catania outside of Sicily to try to continue our mission to try again because currently we are watching a systematic starvation of 2 million people, a live stream genocide, and the world's silence is deadly. That is why we have to keep trying everything we can, even if the odds are against us, to try to protest and do everything we can to stand against Israel's atrocities and war crimes and to support and stand in solidarity

with the people of Palestine. So keep your eyes on deck, continue flooding the streets, organize, boycott, and do everything in your power to stand for Palestine. So Eric, what is this link between woke celebrities who used to be all about climate change and now support Palestine? Where's the link there? How's this happened? Well the link is, first of all these are important symbols for the contemporary left, right? But essentially there's a core there, and the environment thing is only partially involved, which is around oppressed groups, and there's oppressor-oppressed. So this view of, you know,

you have white settlers and the colonized indigenous population. So this idea of settler colonialism is very important for Wokary because remember what Wokary is? It's the making sacred of historically marginalized race, gender, sexual identity groups. The sacred group is the colonized and the demon is the settler. Now in the US, this comes from the US where the whites would be the settlers and you would have indigenous people as the colonized. Taking that, transposing it to Israel-Palestine becomes the Jews as the settlers and the Palestinians as the oppressed indigenous. That's the paradigm, the race paradigm. Again, race is sacred. If these two groups looked identical, there would be no interest from Thunberg or the left.

But the fact that one is somewhat darker than the other, although even that is not always the case, is enough to make this a cause celebra. Now, you have this what's called intersectional approach where if you're worried about trans, you've got to be worried about race, which means you've got to be worried about Palestine. You can't just do one, you've got to do them all. The environment thing is a little bit outside my definition of woke, except insofar as the argument is climate change harms people in the developing world who are not white and it's harm, the people doing the harm are the white people. So that is the way in which the environment issue becomes racialized and therefore becomes woke. In and of itself, if you were just in favor of, you know, solar energy or nuclear power, that in itself isn't woke. But once you bring in this climate justice perspective,

it then becomes woke. I think that's the way to understand this. It's the oppressor oppressed people of color thing, you know, whites against people of color, settler colonial. That's how we understand this. Yeah, indeed. Oh my god, I just had to show you this headline that Leo Kers found over the weekend. I actually couldn't believe it was true. I think it is true. He said ultimate left-wing media headline and it's in the Independent, how climate change is hitting vulnerable Indonesian trans sex workers.

Nearly 93% of respondents saw decreased income during the rainy season. I thought, yep, okay, we've still got a woke media out there. Eric Kaufman, do stand by because two other examples of celebrity wokery and the fact that Tom Daley and Stormzy are both blaming the British Empire for all the ills in the world. We'll get into that in just one minute so don't go anywhere. But first, if you're anything like me, you've spent so much time trying to find the perfect skincare treatments for your face only to realise you've been neglecting the skin on your neck.

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it was after watching Outspoken. But now back to the show. was after watching Outspoken. But now back to the show. Okay, Tom Daley. We need to talk about Tom Daley because I don't think there is a celebrity in the United Kingdom who is more boring than Tom Daley. This is a guy who has had a privileged dream career for being a diver prancing around in his speedos, but yet is so determined to play the victim that he has said that it makes him feel sick, that he is British, that he feels so dark about his relationship with Britain, that he now has a twisted sense of what it means to be British and that he now feels helpless to be British. He is also a guy, a gay guy, who has jumped all over the trans issue even though it means

that his fellow female divers will be disadvantaged. And now, in a brand new interview with Sly News, Tom Daley is not only saying that he has body confidence issues, this is despite the fact he prances around in speedos every single day, but that he believes minorities like him in this invisible LGBTQIA plus community are now at risk because of the political movement happening in society, the anti-woke movement. Now he has no evidence to back this up. He is literally spouting his woke nonsense as usual and I am sick of it. I am ready to call it out. Because as I say, this is not a guy

who has faced a challenge in his life. And this is a man who is so determined to jump on the victimhood narrative because it makes him cash and gets him in the woke media. That is it. We'll get analysis then from Eric Kaufman, the professor of politics at the University of Buckingham, author of Debu, How Making Race Sacred Produced a Cultural Revolution. But first, please get annoyed as you watch Tom Daley propagate this trans narrative on Sly. Scary in some parts of the world how the rights of LGBT people are kind of being reversed

or they're being dangerously threatened and I think it's something that again, it's where minorities have to come together for the greater good because it is it is scary and I think it's you know you may see someone else's rights going away and I think it's important that everybody with especially minorities come together because it won't just be one group that gets targeted once one group has been targeted it will move on to the next and the next and the next so it's, I think the most important thing is staying visible. You know, I think lots of people ask, you know, what can you do to be an activist? What can you do to be an advocate? And I think it's, you know, being truly and authentically

yourself, because as long as you're happy, your friends and family are happy, and you're not hurting anyone else, then I think you just, being visible is a great form of activism. Has it got worse in Trump's America? Because I live in California and I live in Los Angeles, you don't notice the big changes as much. I think for lots of people living in the West Coast bubble, it is very, it was like a bit of a shock

when Trump won the election in November. But I think it's also given everybody a wake up call that it's, you know, again, I just always believe in leading with kindness, care and compassion and trying to make life worth living for every single person. Okay, leading with kindness and compassion, Tom Daley, would mean not advocating for the female divers who have spent years and years in your competitions competing against blokes who have a genetic make-up like you. That's what would be fair and compassionate. Now, Tom Daley says life has become scary in recent years. Us are rubbish. Tom Daley is someone who has made an entire career millions and millions of pounds through

being an openly gay man. There is absolutely no retraction of your rights and jumping on to the trans bandwagon, the extreme trans bandwagon to try and make a point about an overall retraction of rights for minorities is deeply dishonest. Deeply, deeply dishonest. Because let me tell you, when you discuss the fact that sometimes you've just got to jump on a bandwagon for the greater good, I ask you Mr Tom Daley to think about the greater good for women. For women who are seeing their rights retracted. Who are seeing men beat them in sporting competitions. And who are seeing them be raped because men are being allowed access to their precious single sex spaces. This is the problem with the woke bandwagon. It only goes one way. I also

had to show you, it's ludicrous, but I had to show you Tom Daly talking about his body image issues because let me tell you, this is a man, this is a man who barely steps outside the house in clothes. We have seen him for years and years and years in his speedos or dressed like that. Okay, that's absolutely fine. But for Tom Daley to now try and turn on us, which you'll see him do here and say that he has a body image problem is yet again, I believe the height of woke victimhood. Watch this. About just being kind to each other. Like where has that kindness and compassion gone? Because everybody feels like they have something to say about very, you know, small groups of people.

And you didn't seem to face that correct compassion when you were growing up, particularly you talk in the film about your coach, body image issues being questioned if you were fat when to the outside world you'd look in great shape in that build up to 2012. It's a very difficult thing to talk about because I know for a fact that if I say that I have body dysmorphia and I had eating disorders growing up, people are going to look at me like, oh, well, you look fine. You look great. And yes, rationally, I know that, but that's not what an eating disorder is. An eating

disorder is knowing that you is not being able to think about your body, what you eat, what you put into your body rationally. And I think that's something that people don't necessarily understand with eating disorders, which is why going through that, I went through it alone because I was embarrassed to be thinking those things. I didn't think anybody would believe me. I didn't think anybody would understand. And it still happens like today. If ever I talk about it, you know, people online are always like, oh, poor you with your body. And like, that's not, it's not a fair comparison because people don't necessarily understand what it, what it feels like, because you know.

And I, again, I know rationally, I'm doing all right. I'm doing fine. But it doesn't stop the fact that every time I go to eat anything or every time I go into an interview, like quite often, like even the interviews that I've done this morning, people have automatically commented on my appearance and staying in shape and like, how are you not fat yet? And so I'm constantly reminded of that. So it's a, yeah, it's definitely something that triggered, you know, the way that I think about my relationship with food. Did you know I actually tweeted over the weekend, I posted on X saying, woke people, aren't they just the most effing boring people in the world? Seriously, Tom Daley has to be in that category. I'm so bored. I'm so bored. Imagine a guy with

a six pack or an eight pack like that, bemoaning the fact that he has body image issues and people talk to him about his body even though he shows it off every day. Ludicrous. We also had Stormzy this weekend. The rapper Stormzy, who has achieved great success through his life in the United Kingdom, not just slamming the British Empire, but the Commonwealth as well. Watch this. British Empire is the darkest shit ever, the Commonwealth. That's the darkest shit ever. British Empire, Commonwealth. That's literally England going to countries and destroying communities, destroying communities that put in there and like Britain has kind of like, oh, that was back in the day. That's not to do with us. You're all here now. So yeah. Now Rafe Hadal-Manku responded directly to Stormzy on that. He's from the New Culture Forum writing, care to debate this Stormzy? Without the British Empire, you would be languishing in obscurity in Ghana if you were born at all. Nothing has done more to advance the world and lift

it out of poverty than colonialism and capitalism. This is not to deny the bad aspects of the British Empire, but no colonial power was more benign or brought more benefits to its former colonies than Britain. From Canada to Australia, South Africa to the Caribbean, Singapore to Israel, former British colonies are usually the most successful, stable, democratic and prosperous in their region of the world. Britain gave them the English language, common law and the rule of law. Westminster model of parliament, civil service, police, universities, hospitals, infrastructure and end to cyclical famines, the elimination of diseases, increasing life expectancy, etc. etc. And Britain fought to stamp out barbaric cultural practices, human sacrifice,

head-hunting, female genital mutilation, slavery, to name but a few. So yes, the British Empire had some dark episodes, but the benefits brought to Britain's former colleagues colonies far outweigh the harm. Anyone who exaggerates and mentions only the negatives of the British Empire, whilst completely ignoring the positives, is either ignorant or disingenuous and deceitful. Either way, clips like this promote a dangerous and destructive anti-British agenda. So Eric Kaufman, you're obviously director of a new centre for non-woke social research. I want to speak about your conference in just one moment, but first, can you explain at all

why celebrities like Tom Daley and Stormzy have this obsession with what I describe as woke victimhood? Like why do these very, very successful people who I would argue have had massive success, in Stormzy's case, by being in the United Kingdom, in Tom Daly's case, by our massively Ford thinking ways where actually he became more of a star once he came out as gay rather than being shunned.

Why are they so determined as multi-millionaires to constantly try and turn themselves into victims? What is it with woke victimhood? Well, I mean, just again, to return to that definition of woke, making sacred historically marginalized race, gender gender sexual identity groups. We've just seen an example from the sexual identity side and then we've seen one from the race side. That means because this is the center of our public religion if you virtue signal to those identities then you gain esteem. Those identities are also the basis of taboos which you dare not transgress.

In this case, we're seeing the virtue signaling. And that gives you a surge of moral righteousness and cultural capital. That's why they're doing this, right? Now, as you mentioned, in the first case, we have a clear example of where there's actually no evidence that you've got a rise in anti-gay hate crime in Britain. Quite the opposite.

Quite the opposite. This is completely manufactured out of thin air. It's kind of alarmism. This has been a strategy that, oh yeah, we're only one step away to women being back in the kitchen, gays in the closet, and separate water fountains for blacks. This is kind of the, or 1933 Germany, these are the sort of techniques that are used, the catastrophizing techniques to manufacture consent and get everybody in line.

And whenever you sort of cite, oh, there's danger around the corner where it's going to be back to gays in the closet, you know, You get approval. It's utterly ridiculous, evidence-free garbage. Now, if you take the Stormsie stuff again, the history of humanity up until five minutes ago was basically about slavery, colonization, and genocide with one tribe against another. Britain was amongst the first to bring that to an end. When we talk about anti-slavery, when

we talk about international relations, international law, they get no credit for that instead because they were one of the last in this musical chairs game. They get blamed for everything. I mean, what this leads to is astounding illiteracy. In the US, for example, most people think that white Americans invented slavery

or most Black Americans would say white Americans invented slavery, which is ridiculous if you've ever read the Bible. In the U.S., you find, you know, seven out of ten young people think the Native peoples lived in peace and harmony before the Europeans arrived. Obviously, if you actually look at the historical record, the fossil record, those societies were up to a thousand times more violent. Steven Pinker, who's going to be at my conference, wrote a book called Better Angels of Our Nature. Goes through all the evidence, essentially these societies were incomparably more violent and barbaric and slaveholding

than ours are, and yet who gets tagged with this stuff? It's the British Empire or the Americans or whatever. I mean it's just historical illiteracy. Now, so you're now a director of a new center for non-woke social research. Your first conference is on heterodox social science and your goal is to establish a new intellectual movement which you say will correct the deep progressive biases of academia by doing research that has been prohibited, which skews knowledge. Now that's going to shock a lot of people who are outside of the world of academia, Eric, that what you're essentially saying is that

academia, including studies, which then are used to make political decisions all around the world, are effectively woke. Absolutely. The sad reality is, you know, research from one perspective gets amplified and any research that goes against that main perspective, if it's in a controversial area, is essentially kept out or it's very hard to get published. So for example, if you were to say, well, one of the reasons behind the Black White wealth gap is because you have, you know, fewer intact family, a much lower rate of intact

families amongst Black Americans, you know, only 30% versus, you know, maybe it's 60 or 70 amongst whites, that would, you would not be able to get that research published, or it would be extremely difficult. And people wouldn't learn that in textbooks. They wouldn't learn that biology is very important as a predictor of human behavior, heritability, for example, of genetics is very important explaining human behavior, life outcomes, a whole bunch of things that you wouldn't learn. Many questions would never be asked or would simply be sidelined. And so we're not getting a proper understanding of social science. We're getting a skewed and warped. It's a bit like a ski hill. You're allowed to ski within the bounds.

You're not allowed to go off piste. And so your whole understanding of that ski hill is completely skewed. So another example is even the study of woke ideology. You know, why aren't universities studying something that has been enormously in the news? There's a lot of attention. They've got all these books that have poured out on this, many from non-academics, but that's not a discipline because it's too uncomfortable. It cuts too close to the beliefs of many academics who are lean about in the social sciences about, you know, roughly 10 to one left to right.

That's roughly what it is. Or if you're in Harvard, it's like 90, if you look at political donations in the Ivy league, 96% Democrat, 4% Republican. So because you've got a monoculture there, no one wants to study uncomfortable topics. We need to create and fill in the blanks of a social science of academia. And that informs politics

and it informs policy. Who thought that defunding the police might be a good idea? Well, yeah, exactly. Now, you've got some incredible speakers. I mean, Gad Saad, love Gad Saad. He's so brilliant. He's been on Outspoken before. And people can actually come to the conference, is that right? So when is it and how can people get their tickets? Tell us everything we need to know. Yeah, the conference itself is in Buckingham. That's not that's sort of just an invited conference, but we have a London event with Gad Saad, the fantastic Gad Saad and Bajau and Gar and Garzhargarh, and Matt Goodwin, that's taking place in London at the Emanuel Center on Wednesday the 4th. So that's certainly,

I encourage people to get tickets to come along. It's going to be a great event. So this Wednesday? This Wednesday, yeah. And where can people buy tickets? And if you just Google Gadzad Eventbrite London, I think you should be able to find that. I don't know if you have show notes, but certainly you can find that. Eventbrite is just E-V-E-N-T-B-R-I-T-E. Oh yes, look, I've just found it here. I've just found it here. So look at this. Is woke did, there we go. And tickets are available, so I literally just googled GadSad event, bright event, and there

we go. Brilliant stuff. Well look, it's been so brilliant to have you on Outspoken today. Good luck for the event and your conference. And thank you so much for all the work that you do, Eric. It's absolutely incredible. You're a true freedom fighter in academia, which my God, we need. Thanks. And you too, by the way. Thank you so much, Eric. I hope

to see you soon. Brilliant stuff. And thank you so much for your company too. Huge amount of feedback coming in today. Kathy Rice says this is in regards to our discussion earlier in the show This is in regards to our discussion earlier in the show with Jenrick and Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage and she writes, the people of the UK need to rise up. You're all losing your country. That makes me think Cathy, you may be in the United States of America watching on. Mr. H says, fair play Tommy to rise above things. He sounds much more grown up than most politicians. Jack Doe says the only hope for the Tories is to make Robert Rupert low their leader

with Robert Jenrick deputy or vice versa. That would be the end of Tweedledum, Tweedledee, Farage and Stammer and Good Ribbons. And Deborah Hobbins is quite tough on Farage too. He says it's so bloody obvious that Nigel is compromised as someone who has followed him for nearly 30 years. He is not the same man he was. Okay, time to reveal Greatest Britain Union Jackass. Now, reminder of your UJ nominees, Greta Thunberg nominated by Boggy Wood for her pathetic display of virtue signalling, Norenda Kerr nominated by Miss Unmissan for her ludicrous Lucy Connolly Liz Truss post over the weekend, and Susanna Reid nominated by Al Comrade 44 for that snaring awful interview with Robert Jenrick that we played earlier in the show.

Okay, the results are now in. It was a close one today. In third position with 24% of your vote, Susanna Reid. The runner up with 37% of your vote, Narenda Kerr, and it really was neck and neck all day. But the winner with 39% of the vote, today's Union Jackass, Greta Thunberg. Today's greatest Britain nominated by Big Mama Booth is Robert Jenrick for going all Robocop on the tube while the Mayor bleats for weed for all,

referring to London's failed Mayor Sadiq Khan. Now coming up in the uncancelled after show on Substack, Prince Harry's disgusting Yuloh as he does all he can to destabilise Kansas rick and King Charles, this time by investigating changing his Mountbatten Windsor surname to become a Spence. We're going to team up with the Royal News Network, we're going to analyse that bombshell news I've got a lot to say on this one. I'm not, don't even get me started. Don't even get me started. But if you do want to get me started, then head over to substack www.outspoken.live.

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