Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOMMY ROBINSON SPEAKS AFTER ASSAULT ARREST, CALLING FOR COPS TO RELEASE TAPES & BLAMING MSM

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: Another police stitch up with the MSM to try and destroy Tommy Robinson as The Sun just happens to be on board the plane where far too many cops are coming to arrest him at Luton, even though the whole thing had been arranged with his lawyers beforehand. But a massive twist in the case in the past few hours, with Tommy now calling for the police to the release the footage, insisting no jury will convict him after he witnessed what really went on in Saint Pancras. Tommy’s full story and why the regime media is to blame revealed in Dan's Digest. Then the Superstar Panel weigh in: Leader of the Heritage Party David Kurten and top media strategist Lauren Lunn Farrow. PLUS: JK Rowling makes a stinging attack on Reform UK as Nigel Farage refuses to stand up for women’s rights in a bizarre row over housing trans prisoners in female jails. AND: Crisis for the BBC as Breakfast host Naga Munchetty is exposed by her own staff members. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: The truth about the late Queen’s heartbreak over her treatment at the hands of Prince Harry is revealed by Sally Beddell Smith and Dickie Arbiter in a fascinating new interview that we’ll analyse with our Royal Mastermind Angela Levin. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No spend, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is Outspoken Live episode number 285. And breaking today, another police stitch up with the MSM to try and destroy Tommy Robinson. As the sun just happens to be on board the plane where all these cops at a paddy wagon are coming to arrest him at Luton Airport, even though the whole thing had been prearranged with his lawyers beforehand. But a massive twist in this case, captivating the nation in the past few hours with Tommy now calling for the police to release the full footage, insisting no jury will convict him after he witnessed what really went on at St. Pancras. He was one of the worst weeks in my life. I was worried, very worried. I thought I'd been

stitched up. I didn't think they'd have the CCTV. I was detained yesterday. on GBAH 618, and I was interviewed. And what my request would be right now is release the footage for the public to see, okay? Tommy's full story and why the regime media is to blame in my digest next. Then my superstar panel weigh in, leader of the herod and top media strategist, Lauren Lund Farrow. Also coming up on the show today, J.K. Rowling makes a stinging attack on Reform UK, as Nigel Farage refuses to stand up for women's rights in a bizarre row over.

housing trans prisoners in female jails and crisis for the BBC, again, as breakfast host Nagamon Chetty, exposed by her own staff members. Then in the uncanceled after show, which is over on Substack, the truth about the late Queen's heartbreak over her treatment at the hands of Prince Harry is revealed by Sally Beadle Smith and Dickie Arbiter in a fascinating new interview. We'll analyse it with our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin, and you can sign up to watch at www. outspoken. Do stick with us till the end of the show as well

because we'll be revealing today's greatest Britain and uni in jackass. Here are your nominees for today which you can vote on right now in the live chat on YouTube. Simon Nixon, put forward by

its Only Me 44, principal of Preston College for sacking Simon Pearson for saying Lucy Connolly's prison sentence was an example of two-tier policing. In other words, stating a fact. Morgan McSweeney. nominated by At Tauntapani, Starman's right-hand man, whose father has reportedly benefited to the tune of six million pounds for housing asylum seekers over an island, and Bushra Shake, nominated by Sarah Booth.

Shame, shame on her for her slight about James Well, which we discussed on yesterday's show. So get voting, the results and your best comments at the end of the show. But now, let's go. The latest MSM police and Westminster establishment bid to destroy Tommy Robinson ahead of his Uniting the Kingdom Rally next month is about to fall flat on its face. But trust me, the usual Kretans are going to do all they can to try and heap more pain on this man who, let's be honest, is already a victim of the deep state. So you remember last week, the British Transport Police,

issued extraordinary public messaging after this incident was flashed across social media. I'm in London and had a fight with a door. And I am at a fight with a door. And I am at London real. And I am at London Real. Where are we? Where are we? This is London Real, baby. This is where it happens. Now, Tommy reported that incident. He said it was self-defense. He reported it to the police, explained that it was a drunken leftist who had gone up against, consulted with lawyers, and then left on a pre-planned overseas work trip. While there, he agreed to change his flights back as early as possible in order to assist police with their inquiries. A moment that, as you can see, was immediately leaked to the Sun newspaper. paper who could all look down on their readers' right by lambasting Tommy as a far-right thug.

As Ezra Levant of Rebel News revealed, I know how this works. The sun was definitely tipped off without any doubt. And sure enough, the authorities used the dramatic imagery to do all they can yet again to shut down the biggest enemy to the British establishment with cops announcing proudly on social media. Officers have this evening arrested a 42-year-old man from Bedfordshire in connection to the incident at St. Pancras. The arrest took place at Luton Airport shortly after 6.30pm. Officers from BPT have tonight arrested...

And then they, sorry, they went on to say that the man had been wanted for questioning after leaving the country to Tenerife in the early hours of the 29th of July following the incident at St. Pancras. He was arrested on suspicion of GBA, grievous bodily harm, and will now be taken to custody for questioning. Of course, as you can imagine, the MSM, they were delighted to play their usual role too. ...to bring you from British Transport Police.

They say in a statement this evening that officers from British Transport Police have tonight arrested a 42-year-old man from Bedfordshire in connection with an assault at St. Pancras Station on the 28th of July, the arrest took place at Luton Airport shortly after 6.30pm following a notification

that the man had bordered an incoming flight from Faroe. The man had been wanted for questioning after leaving the country to Tenerife in the early hours of the 29th of July following the incident at St. Pancras. He was arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm and will now be taken to custody for questioning. Now that's the statement from British

Transport Police and it comes after a video emerged last week appearing to show the right-wing activist Tommy Robinson walking back and forth next to a man lying motionless on the ground at St. Pancras Station. Breaking news for you now on the show and it's this. Tommy Robinson has been arrested at Luton Airport after a video emerged which appeared to show the activist walking away from the scene of an alleged assault at St. Pancorous Railway Station.

The son then breathlessly reported the arrest from a source who was on the plane, revealing what really happened. I was going to the toilet, and I noticed he was sitting down on our flight, they said. I knew he was wanted for the attack, so I had an idea of what was going to play out when we landed. Not many people knew who he was on board, so other passengers were shocked to see police officers waiting outside for him. They must have known he was coming back. There were two police fans waiting outside for him, and when he walked to the front of the plane,

there were officers waiting at the doors. As soon as he came down the stairs, he was grabbed by an officer. There were about four or five officers around him, and he was quickly escorted into a police van. Nick Lolles, of Hope Not Hate, the only man whose misinformation actually caused violent clashes during last year's so-called riots was Cockahoo, posting, arrested.

And then he used the arrest to try and shut down next month's Uniting the Kingdom rally, posting 20 minutes after Tommy Robinson is arrested on suspicion of GBAH. It has announced that former SBS, Soldier, Aunt Middleton, will be speaking, we'll speak at Tommy's September demo, so much for standing up for law and order. But actually, if you believe in law and order, Nick Loll, surely you would appreciate there is a process that has to be followed here. I mean, do you remember what Don Keith told me on outspoken earlier?

in the week. So there is footage out there to show exactly what happened. So if you're planning on going out there and lying about Robinson, just be aware, there's footage out there to be seen that shows his side of the story. Indeed, Don was actually live on air with James Harvey when the news broke. And unlike those MSM reports, he was actually able to report honestly that this was all prearranged. Another thing I saw, I believe it was this week, the government has agreed to take in hundreds of kids from Gaza. Apparently Tommy's been arrested.

Oh, no. It says Tommy's been arrested. I knew he was going back today. He told me he actually told me he was coming back today. He was going to turn himself in. So I figured that was going to happen. Yeah, he's just been arrested, Luton Airport. Yeah.

Yeah, of course, of course. Well, it's just like I told you, harassed. causing fear of violence doesn't apply to someone harassing and causing fear of violence to Tommy Robbins. If he defends himself and he feels threatened and someone, you know, harasses him enough to make him feel threatened and he defends himself, he's not going to get the same leniency that everyone else gets. So it doesn't apply to Tommy Robinson, anyone else on the right as a matter of fact. But, you know, the footage is out there, man. That guy was a complete psychopath. and I can tell you he was screaming to the top of his lungs,

Clint's fist and all these things. The video is there to support it. There is video footage out there that's going to show what a psychopath this guy was. I know that for a fact, 100%. So, you know, public opinions are going to get the way in on this. Now, I don't know if they'll show the security footage that was at St. Pancro's Station, but there's other footage out there. Trust me.

So let's see. the damn footage. Tommy was released on bail at 1am and in the past few hours has released a bombshell video, absolutely delighted, because the CCTV he was shown by police indeed backs up his version of events, making it clear he was defending himself after being charged at by the so-called victim. I'm going to be honest, possibly one of the worst weeks in my life. I was worried, very worried. I thought been stitched up. I didn't think they'd have the CCTV. I was detained yesterday on GBH Section 18 and I was interviewed. And what my request would be right now is release the footage

for the public to see, okay? That's what everyone needs to see the footage. Not that little clip, you need to see the footage. Don't listen to the accounts given in newspapers. You need to see the footage, okay? What the footage will show you is that I was walking home, another gentleman who wasn't, who come off the train, and he should be leaving instant pancreas, saw me, followed me, confronted me, got here in my face. For minutes, yeah, I tried to get away from him. I tried everything. I tried to tell him to leave me alone. I warned him so many times, please get away, stop across to me, right? Leave me alone. He threatened me, he continually, chased me basically, Yeah. Until the point when we get to the top of the stairs, which is where there are some accounts of what happened, but no one's seen what happened previously. Thank God it's on CCTV. You can see him harassing me in my face so much, yeah? And you can see me trying to get away, so much. So at which point, the only time when I, and I didn't defend myself, even though I probably should have when you watched the footage, I should have done it a minute before. I didn't defend myself. And

till it would come to a physical confrontation till he came at me and as he comes at me I defended myself that's it and that's what's on camera he charges at me doesn't just come at me he charges at me with his hands up

but what's interesting is Tommy said he does not blame the accuser but rather the fake news media and thankfully he has now come to the realisation that he cannot walk the streets I wish him well I don't blame that gentleman because he's been lied to by a fake news media. He's been told I'm Satan.

He's been told I'm someone I'm not. So I don't blame him, yeah? At the same time, I'm not a human punchback. I have to be able to walk the streets. I think, unfortunately, I've come to the realisation now I can't walk the streets because the worry and fear I've had for the last seven days. Let me get some other points clear, yeah?

I contacted the police, me, straight away. Okay? I told them, exactly what I saw on the CCVSA, exactly what I told him. I was trying to get home. I was accosted. I was followed. I was threatened. I was harassed. And then in the end, I had to defend myself. That's exactly what the footage shows. Okay? Now, I don't believe there's even the complainant in this case. So I've been arrested. I don't believe there's a complainant. I believe when the complainant sees the footage, he was drunk. It's going to have woke up with a sore red, right? But he was drunk as well.

But it was important for Tommy to clarify that unlike the reporting in the MSM suggested, He didn't go on the run. And just to clear, Sand Cup, for the media. The media said I went on the run. So I produced to the police, which, let me get sound clear. I rang the police straight away.

I contact the police straight away. Yeah? My solicitors contacted them at 6 o'clock next morning. We made them aware of where I was. Made them aware of the date I was coming home already. Now, just so you know, I've showed evidence to the police that my accommodation, everything was booked

before this incident. So before this incident happened, I had a trip planned. Fact. If I had tried to escape the country, like the media have told you, if I went on the run, like the media told you, I wouldn't now have my passport, would I? I don't have a bail condition to stay in the country. I don't have any of those bail conditions. So, also, the police, what's very strange for me,

is when I landed at Loon, you may have seen the scenes of all the police cars, of all the police... It's me that told them. I arranged to come back. I was flying into Manchester. I changed my flight for them. So I don't know why they made that big scene. Oh, Tommy, yes, you do. You do. Because I know why they made that big scene. This is all a siop. It is a siop designed to stop the Overton window shifting in your direction. But in this case, it looks like the deep state overreach may well backfire. It's a lie. They lie to batheed. Do you ever think a lie?

But thank you, everyone, okay? After seeing the CCTV, I know, there's not a jury in the world would convict me in that. So my request to the Metro and Police Force is release the footage. Let the public see, okay? Too much bullshit's been happening this week

for the last seven days. I've had to watch, listen to it and read it. Okay, I know what happened that day, and I know the man I am, and everyone of you know the man now. I'm not a coward, okay? I'm not a coward. I don't just provoke reactions,

I don't just provoke trouble, and I don't just throw punches willingly either. That's only at last resort as the fence. But there are still real concerns here. Israel Levant, boss of rebel news who flew to Britain to be here for Tommy's arrest, believes the police want an elevated and escalated prosecution because they want to cause as much hassle as possible before uniting the kingdom. Because it's Tommy, the police see an opportunity,

just the same way the regime media see an opportunity. So I'm afraid that they will. prosecute him even though it was in self-defense, which I'm quite sure the closed circuit TV will show. But it gets worse than that. There are different levels of a prosecution for grievous bodily harm, none of which should be put against Tommy because of self-defense, but I'm afraid that the police will go for a elevated, escalated prosecution, which would imply that this was some premeditated act by Tommy as opposed to an emergency self-defense upon being attacked in the subway station.

The court, the police don't have to win in the long term. The prosecution don't have to win in the long term. They just have to cause hassles for Tommy. They just have to sweep them off the streets. Remember, Tommy's got a big rally in London on September 13th. Boy, the police and the prosecution and the politicians and the press, they would all love it if Tommy Robinson could not attend his own rally because he was on trial for self-defense.

That's why that bail hearing is so important. By the way, we'll know what requirements the court puts on Tommy if bail is required. I should tell you that I have offered to pledge a surety to help assure the court that Tommy will attend. Like I say, I've known the lad for 10 years. He simply doesn't run away. And Ezra also believes that the mainstream media is to blame for the attack. I believe the regime media in the UK are to blame for the violent events. of the other day at St. Pancris Station.

And here's why. They have pumped out so much hatred and so much disinformation about Tommy Robinson that a random man who is probably, you know, disposed to committing violent acts to begin with, when he saw Tommy Robinson in the wild at a subway station without a group around and without a bodyguard, took it upon himself

to be violent towards Tommy. He would not have done that. that would not have happened, were it not for a decade of targeted hatred towards Tommy by the regime media. Tommy, unlike most people, though, could defend himself and unlike the 940,000 crimes that were reported in London last year. In this case, self-defense won the... Well, let's see if self-defense wins the day. But the reality is that life in Sadiq Khan's lawless London means Tommy Robinson, like so many of us, are simply no longer safe, being in public on our own.

Why, it's just, it really is a crime wave at the feet of their horrific mayor said it can. I have no doubt that the majority of Londoners have had either a crime committed against them or observed a crime on the subway station. In this case, the person who was supposed to be the victim decided to defend himself. I think that Tommy has a 50-50 chance of being let go right away by police because of self-defense. But it being Tommy Robinson and the police being instruments of the state and Tommy being an enemy of the state, it would not surprise me at all if the police decided to proceed against them even though and even if self-defense is made out in these closed circuit TV cameras. Why would that be surprised?

and the police have bent or broken the law to go after Tommy many times before. Now, I've actually spoken to Tommy earlier today about the security situation. I'll tell you where we're at in just one moment. But first I wanted to share you what Lawrence Fox has to say about it. He wrote, Tommy should have been with a security detail, which says enough on its own. The state has cooked his brain, leaving him suffering with PTSD after months in solitary confinement

following years of unending abuse for pointing out the greatest self-inflicted national atrocity in British history, the rape of Britain. Whether you like it or not, he has a target on his back. This is not an excuse for what happened and when we are finally showing the full footage from the multiple CCTV cameras which the police have access to. And if he is revealed to have acted disproportionately, then the law will do its thing as it should. But at the moment, this is just conjecture. The broader question is why we tolerate and even share on a system that consistently endorses

the systemic persecution of any individual. Violence is very rarely the answer to anything. But having had my own fair share of people goading and hoping to make me snap in public, I understand how these things happen. I am very pleased the man has been released from hospital and I hope he's okay. I also hope the full facts of the event are made public in short order instead of the measly snippets from the media which we have become so accustomed to following years of cover-ups and misdirection. We live in a low-trust society. Trust is fundamental to cohesion. We should demand the same rigor applied to this case as any other. We should trust that justice is blind, but we know it's not. And look, Tommy has taken all of this

very seriously. I think he is listening to people like Lawrence, to people like me, who are now clear that his security is now under serious threat. I spoke to him earlier today. And made it clear that it would be irresponsible at the moment for him to be travelling on his own to work commitments in London, and he completely agrees. But this whole incident has provoked serious debate even on the right, actually, because let me show you what World by Wolf posted on this, and it was a bit of a different take. They wrote, the last thing the government wants is Tommy Robinson holding successful, peaceful, unite the kingdom rallies that grow in size

and empowers the quote far right. All Tommy had to do was keep his head down and be disciplined. Instead, he always gives the establishment an excuse to nick him. But Liam Tuft's Tommy's close friend takes a very different stance. Writing in defence, I know Tommy Robinson and his family well enough to know he would never go out with the intention of hurting anyone. History proves he is a defender of the vulnerable.

History also proves he's been targeted by extremists and randomly attacked on a multitude of occasions. People are currently in jail for planning to blow him up to put things into perspective. He is a target. The media and establishment have made damn sure of it. It's not safe being Tommy Robinson and this cannot be denied. I've witnessed firsthand people trying to provoke him on the street. I've watched him come under attack. I've also watched him calm situations down and be the bigger man.

I don't like to see anyone get hurt, but I'd be prepared to put my mortgage on the fact that the incident that allegedly took place at St. Pancras would have been an act of defense or prevention, a very sad situation all round. And perhaps it's actually Chris Davies of true conservative media, who summed it up best with just one line. Tommy Robinson is the state in Arta. Now, the Superstar Panel. And it is wonderful to be joined by top media strategist Lauren Lund Farrow

and leader of the Heritage Party, David Curtin. David, we know, and you know, given your history in London, that this city, the capital city of the United Kingdom, is now lawless. and such terrible violent crimes go on on a daily basis. Yet look at these scenes at Luton Airport last night. This was all for show. It was all a performance for the mainstream media

because when you think about it, Tommy Robinson had already made pre-arrangements with the police to come back and be arrested, yet they sent all of those security guards, all of those police officers, two paddy wagons, knowing that the footage was going to be. filmed for the sun. And it's a completely different type of policing than virtually any other violent crime, which let's be honest, I know from my own life, right, when my neighbours were violently

attacked, just ignored by the police. They don't even bother to turn up when it's actually happening. Yeah, Dan, to me, this just looks like another example of two-tier policing. When I was in the London Assembly, I confronted Sadiq Khan about this twice, this different. methods of policing for people who are on the right, if you like, for freedom against state overreach, traditionalists, Christians, conservatives, whatever you like to call us. We can all sort of broadly walk in the same channel and we broadly want the same thing. And the police treat us with utter contempt, with violence and brutality. You see here with Tommy Robinson, whatever happened in some pancras, why on earth did they tell the media beforehand to make an arrest

for someone for what was, you know, if it was a crime, I don't think it was. But if it was, it was a crime. Someone else would report something similar. And as you say, the vast majority of the times, the police wouldn't blink an eyelids to come to the assistance of someone who needed their help if there was a burglary stolen from them or if they were hit on the street. So this is blatant two-tier policing. And, you know, the thing that would stop this speculation immediately, as you've said, and as Tommy Robinson himself has said, is that if they release the footage, which they obviously have got from the security cameras at St. Pangra Station, rather than this dragging this on

and making this into a media spectacle. And I think that's what we need because there are far, far more important things to be concerned with at the moment than this incident that happened in St. Pancra Station. 100%, but they won't. They will not release it. Now, Lauren, you have been doing

some really fascinating analysis on how the mainstream media is covering different stories in regards to Tommy. And I wanted to share one post that we spoke about yesterday. Now, this was in regards initially to Tommy Robinson making that announcement that he was joining the Advance UK party.

And you wrote only one piece of national MSM has run, an opinion piece in the telegraph. This is not factual news reporting. And you say the censorship of Tommy Robinson by the MSM continues when it doesn't fit their narrative. Remember, you have to put the time in to get factual news. You cannot trust the MSM on news when it doesn't. fit the agenda. Like him or not, Robinson joining in advance UK is a huge political story that should

be covered by the MSM. And then Bing, just like that, you say, Lauren, the MSM coverage regarding the Tommy Robinson story, that does fit their narrative explodes. This isn't about Robinson. This is about the mainstream media censoring your news. Stop taking the great British public for fools. We will not have it. And I wanted to set that up in the digest as well, Lauren, because we saw quite clearly the only time that the mainstream media go totally obsessive with Tommy Robinson, including GB News, by the way, my former employer, and shame on them for this, is when he is literally in trouble with the law, when there is an official deep state perspective on something like him being arrested.

Then they go crazy. His announcement that he was enjoying in advance of UK was just totally ignored by the mainstream media altogether, apart from that one piece that you found. They all went mute on it. It was unbelievable. And this is such lazy journalism as well because this is a huge story. It's, it absolutely should be covered in the national press and not in one opinion article. But this is the mainstream all over. You know, they paint Tommy in a narrative that suits them. They do not want to acknowledge the good that Tommy does and how many people actually back him and love him. And I think they're starting to realize that their readers

do like Tommy and they're having to make some really subtle but careful manipulating decisions on this. You see the sun. They've previously discussed Robinson as a far right thug. It's now an activist, far right activist. And I posted about this. I knew this was coming. I knew this manipulation was coming and they wouldn't be transparent about it. But you will never get the full truth about Tommy Robinson from the mainstream media. It's propaganda. Piers Morgan is also now continuing the anti-Tommy Robinson narrative. But Tommy isn't taking this lying down after an appearance that the uncensored host made on the

Trigonometry podcast. And I want to be very clear about this. Pearce Morgan has one goal here, and the goal is to get Tommy Robinson locked up again. He is actively trying to make him break the contempt of court ruling over the silence documentary, and I really think Tommy needs to be wise to what's going on here. So there has been a war of words between the pair on X. Tommy posted to Pear's Morgan. 167 million people watched The Truth, you silly sausage, Pearce Morgan. saying I was lying, just makes you look like the corrupt establishment bigger you are.

Pearce replied, then stop bottling it, as you have done since coming out of prison, and come on, Pearce Morgan, uncensored. If you didn't lie, which is why you went to prison for contempt, then what are you so worried about? And the answer is very clear, Pearce. Let's just be honest. It doesn't matter whether Tommy Robinson lied or not. I don't personally believe he did. He doesn't believe he did. But the decision in this case is that if he repeats any of the material from the silence documentary, which has now been viewed by that 150 million plus people, he will be immediately ordered back to prison. And that prison time, remember, I visited him, was that HMP, Woodhill and Sorrow that Trey confinement, and it did huge damage. So Pearce has been intellectually

dishonest here because he's not prepared to actually have a discussion with Tommy Robinson about what's going on to the United Kingdom, the complete destruction of the country that we all loved, the huge damage that Islam and Islam extremism is doing to this country. So I just wanted to set that up before showing you exactly what Pearce Morgan told the Trigonometry Podcast Watch. Obviously, he's not well liked in the media ecosystem of, of London.

And he's a controversial figure for, you know, he's been involved in street violence and lots of other things. But a lot of people are now saying, and I don't hesitate to say this anymore, a lot of people are now saying he's been proven right about a hell of a lot of things, Pierce. Well, he's certainly not been proven wrong about the grooming gangs. I mean, he was one of the more vocal people about that. There's no question. He's not, as he puts it, the only one that was doing it.

There was a very courageous journalist at the Times. He recently died, sadly, who led the way. with the mainstream media. It's not true the mainstream media ignored that story, but there was a collective failure of government, of police, and a lot of the media, to actually properly go after that scandal. One of the worst scandals of modern times. So that is clear. And Robinson was right about that. I'm not saying he's wrong about everyone. But this guy is not the little Mother Teresa walking around in bobble boots that he'd like everyone in America to believe. And so many of them have fallen for this mythology

about Tommy Robinson. A, his name isn't Tommy Robinson. Probably should send a first alarm bell. B, he's a convicted football hooligan, convicted fraudster. He's been in jail recently, not because he was being silenced from telling the truth about anything, but because he continued to promote and propagate lies about a young Syrian boy, right? And so I watch the way he gets Lorded in America and I think, this is ridiculous. I've challenged him to come on our sense again. We had a fiery debate on Good Morning Britain many years ago in which he came on and waved the Quran, which I thought was pathetic and told him so to his face. So far he's ducked me. And I think it's because he knows I see through a lot of it. And if he wants to come on and he wants to have

a proper sit down with me and we can get into exactly why he's just been in prison, because it's got nothing to do with what he says he's been, he's been a victim of, which he's the establishment trying to silence him. No, you lied, you got caught lying, you were told if you lied again, you'd go to prison for contempt of court, you lied again, you made a film, you promoted it, you came over and promoted it,

and you therefore were found guilty of contempt to court, my sunshine. So that's what actually happened. Lauren Lund Farrow, it's not really exactly what happened, is it peers, and do you agree that what he is trying to do here is entrapped Tommy Robinson, get him to defend the silence documentary, which would immediately mean he was back in contempt of court

and could be sent back to prison. Absolutely. And Tommy cannot and should not do an interview with Piers Morgan at all, regardless of the fact that he will end up back in prison and be trapped by what he would say. I also think he shouldn't even give Piers the viewers. Peers shouts at his guests. He talks over his guests. He's just focused on clickbait. This is not right for Tommy to be doing anything like Peers Morgan.

And I think Peers is probably jealous that Tommy has done a really extensive podcast and online TV circuit and hasn't done his show. And we see through Pierce Morgan. He says he sees through Tommy. We see through you, Peers. Well, yeah, because I think David Curtin, what he's trying to do,

is say, this is a very narrow interview. You can only come on and defend silenced, which Tommy would love to do, but legally he cannot do. And it almost feels like Pierce has some type of skin in the game here. He wants Tommy Robinson to be locked up again. Yeah, well, I've been on the Pierce Morgan show twice. I've had three years ago.

I must say he was one of the most unpleasant interviewers I've ever come across in my whole life and just like Lauren said he didn't want to let me speak he would ask a question and interrupt me after five seconds and again and again wouldn't let me develop an argument he had a point of view he wanted to paint me as something at the time and that was his aim and he went for his aim and I think if he brought Tommy Robinson on that would we what he would try to do to him he's got his goal he wants to get a certain um a target a certain result out of of having someone on in an interview. And then, of course, he gets the money

and he gets the accolades and he gets the kudos and he gets more views for that. But I don't think you should walk into that trap. And I think, you know, someone like Pierce Morgan who has half the people he has on his show is just to try to destroy them. You know, he has some people on that he will listen to and give them a lot of space to talk like Jordan Peterson.

but other people he has on, you know he's trying to destroy them. So I think you've got to be very wise about whose show you go on, particularly if you are in danger of contempt of court and going back to prison again. So, you know, obviously what you're saying, what Lauren's saying is absolutely true.

I don't think he should go on that show and talk about this film. Yeah, he would be a lamb to the slaughter. And what is a shame, actually, is Peir says this show is called uncensored. Why not just how? have a debate about the state of Britain and the damage that Islam is doing to Britain. But before I come to you both on that, I did just want to remind people what went down during this previous

interview on Wokai TV, the Good Morning Britain Show, because what was very clear is that I would argue Pears was not prepared to have a rational or an intellectual debate about Islam. That's something that pairs in his sort of woke, center-left worldview, just believes is off-limits. Now, I don't think it should be off-limit, and I think this clip that at the time was very much presented in the mainstream media as Tommy Robinson being an extremist, and almost the criticism of Good Morning Britain is why did you platform this guy at all? I think over the years, when you see it again, you will have a very different take. Watch. I'm here to have a slandering match with you because that doesn't get this cause anywhere.

I want to do a public service. I want to address the issues. I want to talk about why we've got dead kids in Manchester. I want to prevent what's happening. I can pick things with your history. You'll be involved in one of the biggest media scandals in the country's history. I'm not here to do that with you. I think what you've done over the last three weeks.

You've repeated what I've said for 10 years speaking better English. And in three years time, you'll be repeating what I'm saying now because you're all playing catch up. I have seen this. I'm not talking about what I read in a book. I'm talking about my life experience. about growing up in a town played by Islamic extremism. I understand this. Let me just keep this calm, right?

Because you are an influential boy. It's not an influential boy. And every opportunity I point out that you should not attack innocent Muslims. Every opportunity, every single time, I differentiate Muslims from Islam. Right. But what you don't do... How do you differentiate Muslims? Muslims are people.

Islam is an idea. Yeah. Islam is no idea. And Muslims follow... It's a faith. It's not idea that you can change your mind. No, it's a faith. Like Christianity.

Like Scientology. Like all faith. It's like all faith. Like Scientology? So, Tommy, if you're saying that the problem with Islam, Islamophobic, are you accepting that you're Islamophobic? Because there are 100 verses in this. Yes or no, are you Islamophobic?

There's no such word as Islamophobia. Fobia is an irrational fear. It's not irrational to fear these things. Now, if I hold this book up and say, there will never be peace on this earth so long as we have this book, is a violent and cursed book. No.

Can I tell you who said that? Can I tell you who said that? Sir William Gladstone said that. You wouldn't do that. Sir William Gladstone. that from the Bible. Show some respect. Show some respect. Have you read this book? Have you read this book? There are over a million people. There are 100 verses in this book been. So violence and murder against us. Show some damn risk. And Lauren, then I guess Piers

knows there's a viral moment and almost the intellectual heft in the argument before that doesn't matter because everyone's just going to go mad about the fact that, you know, Tommy Robinson was holding up a copy of the Koran. So I want you to pick up on that. But also, just before we get there, Lauren, right at the start of that segment, I thought it was very interesting Tommy talking about peers, you've been caught up in a hell of a lot of major, major scandals, including criminal allegations in the past as well. And you don't feel that that should dominate your career and that that should be the main point of every interview. But when it comes to Tommy Robinson, absolutely that's what people like peers want to talk about the fact

that, you know, he was convicted for insurance fraud or whatever many years ago. Yeah, I think as well, Tommy has read the Quran back to front. He knows this inside out. You can very clearly see peers in this argument trying to shut him down because both peers and Susanna are massively out of their depth, discussing these issues with Tommy, who is incredibly smart and savvy. Now, he may not be as eloquent as peers and Susanna, but you cannot, cannot question his intelligence

and he is so thorough. And when it comes to the viral moment, that's exactly this is how Pierce Morgan interviews. He goads, he pushes, and they then they want a yes and a no answer about something that isn't always a yes and a no answer. It's absolutely ludicrous. It's lazy clickbait journalism.

David, do you think that actually people, People like Pearce Morgan and Susanna Reid just don't want to address the elephant in the room. It's like there's no desire to have any form of debate about Islam, whereas you could tell, and I thought Tommy made a shrewd point, actually, you could tell that if it was Scientology, Pears would be completely prepared to trash it as a religion. Yeah. Or perhaps even Christianity, because you have a lot of people in the mainstream media who are very, very anti-Christian who would support Islam or other religions, but they want to do down. own faith, the faith of this country. But, you know, we have a very dangerous moment in time in

this country because you've got the Labour Party with Angela Rainer and others wanting to bring forward a definition of Islamophobia and put into law. Now, when Tommy Robinson said it's not a word. Well, it is, but it's a word that's made up. I think it was made up first by the Runnymede Trust in a report in 1997. Maybe, you know, someone else did it at a similar time. But it's a word that's made up in order to smear people and even criminalize people who have an opinion about Islam or about the Quran or about the Hadiths, which doesn't fit in with the powers that be that want to elevate Islam in this country. And also that goes along with the mass migration that we're seeing.

But, you know, we have to support free speech at this moment in time. And everyone has the right to say anything about any text. whether it's the Quran, the Talmud, the Bible, the Vedas, whatever, without fear of being criminalised and dragged through the courts or cancelled or even worse happening, maybe being put in prison. Yeah, well, when it comes to Tommy Robinson, certainly being put in prison. I think it's a real warning. It is a real warning to Tommy.

Yes, I think you could have a great viral moment. You'd probably own Pear's Morgan in a lot of parts, but there is a risk of being locked up again. And actually, you're no good for this country behind bars. And that is where Pierce Morgan wants to see you. And it's also where we know the entire establishment wants to see you. An astonishing new route has broken out over the trans issue between Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling and Nigel Farage's Reform UK party. And I have to be honest with you, I am totally on the side of.

J.K. here. So she posted on X. All those people who tell me support for women's single-sex spaces means I must support reform, which I don't, appear to share exactly the same opinion on women's single-sex spaces as reform. She is referring, of course, to the party deciding to sign as some type of law and order czar, a woman called Vanessa Frake, who has been very public in the fact that she believes trans women, so let's just be clear, blokes, penis holders should be allowed to be housed in certain situations with female prisoners in women's jail. Yet despite knowing that, Nigel Farage still decided to make this woman the centrepiece of his Law and Order campaign this week, releasing this very glossy promotional

video watch. My name is Vanessa Freak. I am a former prison governor and author. I started my career in the prison service in 1986 as an officer and worked my way up to governor. I worked at various prisons around London and finished my career off in 2013 at HMP Wormwood Scrubs. For decades, I managed violent offenders, gang leaders and murderers.

our prisons are at crisis point we have reached the situation where consistently governments have bled our prisons dry so in lots of ways she seems like a qualified woman okay like seems like she did a good good job as a tough prison governor but unfortunately there is an issue that is so much more important to virtually any sane person

in this country especially reform voters and especially female reform voters. And that is on this absolute desire to end the bullshit and the madness and the anti-scientific heresy around the fact that in any case a man can become a woman and can be put in a woman's space

or put in a woman's competition. Yet when she made her first big media appearance on behalf of Reform UK, she went down that path. Should trans women be automatically removed from all women's prisons all the time? No, I don't think they should. What I do think is that each should be risk assessed on an individual basis. You know, I think it depends on a lot of factors.

And the prison service is, you know, my life has spent doing risk assessments. And, you know, I think based on that risk assessment depends on where that person should go. But the Supreme Court might actually check, the ruling by the Supreme Court might say, you know what all prisons have to be. No one who's not biologically female should be in a woman's prison. Well, they may well do that, but I could imagine that there will be several

prisoners who will probably have their solicitors on that and challenge that ruling. Look, I'm not an expert on on trans people. All that I know is that everybody should be treated with humanity and decency.

Okay, now you could say that's a personal opinion. Now, in my view, it's a completely batship personal opinion, but okay, it's a personal opinion nonetheless. So when Nigel Farage was asked about this at his major Law and Order press conference, surely, surely having seen that this issue just won Donald Trump, the White House,

he would just shut it down, surely, right? Okay, we know Nigel Rogers now moving to the left on every issue, but surely this is one issue where he won't lose his mind. Sadly not. Well, when it comes to trans women in prisons, isn't it interesting that we run our country with people who become ministers who generally have absolutely no idea of the subject matter that they're talking about?

I've personally never worked in a prison, so I can't answer it, but I think you'll find that the answer that you'll get from somebody who has worked in prisons at the highest possible level is, I think basically it's about risk assessment, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I mean, we all know what the law is. I'm not going to go back over that yet again. But to my mind, everybody who is in prison deserves to be treated with humanity and decency. And that includes female prisoners and it includes trans prisoners. And, you know, everything in the prison service is risk assessed. And I am sure that the prison service will tie itself up in knots over the trans issue, just like many other public sectors have. And as Nigel said earlier, you know, we are at the beginning.

And that is something that we will need to speak about clearly. Yeah, but in terms of the problems in prisons, it's a relatively small one. Yes, it is. But it doesn't matter if it's a small problem in prison. It's a massive problem in society. And your responsibility. And the only reason that we're ever going to trust you to potentially be in government as if you can say, Mr. Farage, under no circumstances, under no circumstances will biological men

be forced into women's spaces. And you couldn't do that. You failed a fundamental test. And so I know how Reform UK works on these things. They immediately think, okay, we've got to do damage control here. We've got to do damage control. I know. I know. We're going to put this woman on G.B. News with Martin Dordney, who is a Reform UK propagandist, very nice guy, but, you know, never asks a difficult, question, and that's what they did. However, the damage control interview turned into its own disaster. Hey, Vanessa Frank, we have to address the issues, of course, that have been seized upon by your political opponents by the press today, and that is the topic of trans prisoners, the Supreme Court ruling states quite clearly. Biological men are men. They can't become women. Even Shabana Mahmoo,

The Justice Secretary has said that no serious trans woman, that's a biological man, could ever be allowed into the female prison estate. And yet today, you said this should be judged on a case-by-case basis. Vanessa, are you going woke? No, I am not going woke. Is treating people with humanity woke, Martin? What if it was your daughter or your son? Look, I'm incredibly disappointed that I have been so misconstrued. have never suggested that I would ever put any at-risk prisoner into the general population,

and nor did I ever suggest that putting a prisoner who is a risk to other prisoners in general population. That is why I've been very clear. There are many complex bespoke prisoners and risk assessments which are completed by skilled experienced prison staff on a case-by-case-based, is the way forward. At the end of the day, Martin, we are talking about 0.3% of the prison population. I'm focusing on the other 99.7%. I have worked with female offenders. They have seen the abuse that they have suffered. I would never, ever put a female offender in a position that brought back any angst or worry or concern to a female prisoner. Can I make that perfect? But it doesn't matter if you're talking about 0.3% of the prison population. That doesn't

matter. This was a Supreme Court ruling. Biological sex is everything. And this example is proving that Reform UK do not believe that. And during this disastrous damage control interview, Vanessa Crate then made things even worse by revealing that Nigel Farage actually knew all about her position before giving her the job and suggesting that it could even become official reform UK policy. What kind, on a case-by-case basis, for example, what kind of biological men perhaps could be allowed into a female prison? Look, people just want some clarity.

Again, Martin, okay, look, if you've got a complete trans woman who has completely transgendered to a female has been living as a female for the last 30 years, is not a sex offender, has lived their life as a woman for the last 30 years, what are you now telling me that we put them into the general population in the male estate? Because to me, that isn't humane and it is not counting decency. I'm not saying that that person should be in the general population in the female estate. This is a minefield, whichever way you look at it, whichever way you swing,

whichever thoughts you have it's a minefield and it's always going to be difficult. Yes, the law is the law and I abide by the law. Just one final question. I just think people just want some clarity and that is this. Is this your

personal opinion or do you think it could become reform policy policy? I don't know. I haven't had that conversation. Nigel Farage is very aware of my position and what I think, but he still hired me. So it's not at all clear.

And Martin Daubley gave her every single opportunity to say, oh, no, no, no, this is just my personal view. It's not reform UK policy. Haven't even discussed this with Nigel. Nigel did the tiniest amount of damage control today, posting this on X, I have never supported men in women's prisons. But that isn't good enough. That isn't good enough.

You haven't ruled out this absolutely insane proposition. And as a result, you've now lost support of the trans exclusionary radical feminists who view J.K. Rowling as their idol. Jack Jewell posted on this, what on earth are you playing at? Reform. This is basic. You know trans women are men. astonishing. You don't need to have worked as a vet to know what a cat is. Even flip-flop care Stama has said the Supreme Court ruling means sex. based spaces are for biological sex, not identity. This is utterly foolish and extraordinarily out of touch with your voter base. I'm fuming. And then Belstaffy revealed something fascinating.

She's another women's rights campaign. And she said, after Reform UK's disturbing announcements earlier today on men and women's prisons, the sound on the ground is that Reform UK's prison advise of Vanessa Freak, MBE, is a trans rights activist. They've been infiltrated. She speaks trans and has no regard for imprisoned women's safety or dignity. Also, reform you can't tend to scrap the 2010 Equality Act, in effect that would nullify the Supreme Court's decision on sex-based rights. It would be extremely bad news if a pro-trans reform UK was elected into government and she said that was from an anonymous source. So to my superstar panel, Lauren Lund Farrow and David Curtin leader of the Heritage Party. Now, David,

I know your position and the Heritage Party is absolutely clear on this. And I would say reforms position after that madness is as clear as mud. Yeah, well, Nigel Farage very surprisingly answered the question with a complete word salad. You really didn't know what he stood for at all after that press conference. And hiring this woman, Vanessa Freak, is something which, you know, it boggles the mind. I would never ever hire someone like that to be a spokesman or an advisor to me in the Heritage Party. We're very, very clear what needs to happen. We would remove the concept of gender from law entirely, whether it's gender transitioning in the Equality Act, the Gender Recognition Act 2004. We would scrap that, repeal that and remove it completely because I don't actually

recognise the concept of gender which is different to biological sex. You know, someone who's a man can say they're a woman, but they're still a man. They can have operations done on their body. They can mutilate themselves, but that doesn't make them a woman. It means they're a mentally ill man who's mutilated themselves. And when it comes to society, we have these areas, prisons, hospitals, schools and sports, where we need to protect men and women, of course women, mostly, from men getting into women's spaces and potentially assaulting them, doing other things, be, you know, acting in perverted ways. This is just basic common sense that everyone had 30 or 40 years ago before the trans hysteria hit and has grown and grown over the last 10 years.

But now with the Supreme Court ruling, we even have the Supreme Court that says women's spaces are for women only. not for men, not for trans people. We shouldn't need a Supreme Court ruling to tell us what is basically obvious from science and nature. But it seems that reform have become as loony left as the Labour and the Green Party on this issue. And people are seeing through them. It's absolutely mad.

I mean, Lauren Lanfarrer, of course, you are a media strategist for many years. You know, you worked sort of dealing with these public messages from high-profile people or organisations. Surely, if you were working for Reform UK right now, this would be a total nightmare because it's very obvious that Nigel Farage doesn't want to rule this out. So he's got everyone around him saying, you know, I saw Dame Andrea Jenkins, for example, on GB News last night saying, no, no, no, this isn't policy, this isn't reform policy,

but he has refused to say that. Yeah, 100%. And also I just want to make the point that the video of Vanessa is like an X-Factor audition. I couldn't take it seriously when she was pointing. I just thought it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Look, I think Farage, I've just lost all hope in him. You know, he says big, bold statements and doesn't actually see things through. He's towing the line, he's playing the game, he's hedging his bets.

You know, with Rupert Lowe, I know what to expect. I know who he is. I know what he believes in. And I believe he will see things through. With Farage, this is just another example. of him saying one thing, standing for one thing and doing another. And also the fact that you're putting spokespeople ultimately forwards for the party with no media training, this is an absolute PR disaster.

The ums, the ars, that, you know, the questions keep coming. She's got no idea what the questions are that are coming. Whoever set this up should be fired. Yeah. And of course, what it is is importing the establishment. If you import the establishment into your party, you get an establishment position on a lot of things. But I think this has to be an issue now where all of us who are saying just say there's no flexibility. There's no great area. This is one of those red line issues.

And I honestly think it was so important when it came to Donald Trump and the White House. If we cannot agree very, very clearly what a woman is, what a man is, and that a man can never be at a woman. space or competing in a women's competition or being in a women's prison, then we've lost our mind as a society. And unfortunately, I think there are a lot of people looking at reform you can, including a lot of women who I've spoken to, thinking, God, we thought that these guys were on outside and now we're not so sure. And by the way, just as a sign, I guess, of how far the debate has shifted. J.K. Rowling, I think she celebrated her 60th birthday. And there was a fascinating in exchange between her and India Willoughby, who is one of the most vile men in the country,

trans rights activist, who posted on ex, weird to think we were born just four weeks apart in the same year and turned out so differently. Me, a woman, her, a billionaire hate propagandist who relies on trans folk for relevance. Wow. J.K. Rowling, though, she owned her. in her savage reply writing only four weeks apart we're practically twins yet on the one hand you've got someone who created a whole fantasy world and on the other hand you've gotten breaking right now nagamunchetti the BBC breakfast accused bully has been exposed by her own staff at the British Bashing Corporation, and this is now proving a new nightmare for Tim Davy, the Bebe's Director General, who seems to think that the fact that Nagamuncetti is a mixed-race woman

means that she is unable to be held to the same high standards that saw John To Road axed for rapping a Kanye West lyric, or Greg Wallace, having his entire reputation smashed because he made some smutty jokes over 10 years ago. Nagamuncetti, despite a string of allegations, seems to be untouchable with the BBC having taken no action, even though one of her alleged crimes was making an inappropriate sexual joke while off air at BBC 5 Live. By the way, not something I would ever have a problem with.

Probably it would have been very funny. But how can you say that we're going to destroy Greg Wallace and John To Road for making jokes, but Nagamuncetti will never leave her role because she has these protected characteristics. Now, the staff are speaking out, and this is where things get really difficult for the beep. Here's the revelation, Nagamuncetti's backstage tantrums revealed. Underfire BBC Breakfast host is an absolute nightmare to junior staff, and woe betide anyone who gets her porridge order wrong. Here's the report. from the Daily Mail. Underfire BBC, presenter Nagam Bunchetti has a reputation for going ballistic

at junior staff and humiliated an intern who didn't make her porridge perfectly, a source has claimed. An insider who previously worked with Nagar on BBC Breakfast revealed the TV host is an absolute nightmare, adding that she would kick off about the smallest of issues. It comes as sources revealed Nagar could face a probe from BBC bosses and has been placed under review amid claims she bullied, a junior colleague on the flagship morning show. An insider told the data male. She's an absolute nightmare. She has a reputation for going at young members of staff and making them out to be fools. She would kick off about the smallest issues, including one time she went ballistic over her breakfast, not being prepared exactly how she likes by an intern.

On one occasion, Naga refused to eat porridge delivered by an intern in an ad break, which is typically done, saying it was too hot for her to eat in the time she had, the source said. She said it's always made exactly the same way for her each day and would prefer if the same person made it who knows exactly how she likes it. The guy walked off the set, utterly humiliated and went back to chuck it away before trying again and time for the next ad break. It was pretty brutal to watch. Now, Lady Colin Campbell, my friend, an outspoken contributor, has weighed in on this situation. She has compared Nagamuncetti's behaviour to Philip Schofield's writing on X. They say what goes around comes around. So it should come as no surprise to anyone who

watches or has appeared on the BBC Breakfast show that presenter Nagamuncetti is finally in the frame for the dreadful way she has behaved over the years. A juggernaut of unnecessary and undesirable aggression, condescension, and rampant egotism. She was so abrasive and haughty, as if being a breakfast presenter made her so superior to her interviewees that she was entitled to treat them like turds into which she had been forced to step, that I decided that if we ever cross paths again, I would put her in her place the way I put Philip Schofield in his. I won't say how I intended to ambush her beyond saying that just as how his lack of integrity was his Achilles Hill,

one of her identifying characteristics in the hands of a Jamaican would have been a handy weapon with which to prick a balloon. What is it about British Breakfast interviewers or of the ilk of the Ilk of Schofield and Monchetti? Lady C asks, what makes them think they should abuse their guests by being unnecessarily aggressive in the most unseemly manner? Is it because the stations which hire them encourage such abusiveness by letting them get away with it on a daily basis? Or is it because they know that beneath their cloaks of arrogance like talentless empty shells, whose only attribute is gratuitous envy passing itself off as stimulating interrogation? And what about the titans of the industry who reward these creeps with fat salaries? Are they not aware of the ever more declining viewing figures? Do they never wonder why

people are turned off by these distasteful presenters and therefore term then off, these executives condone the flagrant abusiveness ignoring their responsibilities to their guests, viewers and staff until their little Hitler's bad behaviour results in workplace revolt of one sort of or another. Only then is there a reckoning for what has been years of flagrant abusiveness shamelessly exhibited like a badge of honour on the television screens for all to see on a daily basis. Hopefully we can all be spared further sight of the Munchettys and Schofields of this world the only thing worse than being interviewed

and mauled by them seems to be working for them. And Lady C did make a very good point, by the way, because it's hardly as if Naga Munchetti hides who she really is on air on the BBC. Watch. Because you come in making sure you've done your research on us as well. Well, I think it's polite.

It's pointing your finger quite a lot, to be honest. Do you... That rude, I'm so sorry, Charlie. Do you not like being interviewed? Do you know, I like... I like communication. I don't mind. You wish you were here now.

I don't like ice cream, Hannah. You don't like ice cream, but you just said pistachio. If I had to eat an ice cream for the rest of my life, it would be pistachio flavor, but I don't like cold food. Do you like brownies? not so much but you know we'll get to know each other Hannah

you'll find out a lot you'll find out Charlie likes ice cream you'll get more control I won't be bringing brownies into the office then no no everyone else does don't let me deny the rest of the office Hannah it's been great talking to you I'm glad you're enjoying the ice cream

certainly needed in this weather take care I'm having a great time yeah thanks Hannah being sent imagine that oh business business correspondent what's your job of could be sent to an ice cream factory

and you actually like an ice cream parlour. Do you think you're rather brought the tone down there? Oh, be quiet. Come on. I apologise. It's working hard, doing the story, and then time now for a look at the headlines where you are this morning. You would hear the voice

later, and the, can you look interested? I'll look this way. Which camera? So the interesting thing here is that one thing is, which is your camera three? Where am I? What? Four. No, I won't. I wanted a single because I think we just need to remove. There we are. The interesting thing you'll be asking, you'll be asking at home is, what is the effect of that on a conversation you might have a mug? So the effect of that is one, you wouldn't hear the voice. You wouldn't hear the voices quickly. It would take a while to travel. And also, it would be quite a bit quieter. So now you know, if you're having a conversation on Mars shortly, we know the official details on that.

I'm sweating. It's nice with you pay attention, isn't what you're saying? It really is. Have you got to the story? Okay, to my superstar panel, David Curtin, who is the leader of the Heritage Party, and Lauren Farrow, now, Lauren, you spent many years working with monsters like this, right? You spent many years trying to make them look good in the public eye and make us all think, oh, this person's really lovely, when really there are a total monster behind the scenes.

But why do you think Nagamuncetti is getting away with this? When the BBC seems to have zero tolerance, right, if you happen to be a straight white man, like, is it just a simple fact that because Nagamuncetti is a woman of colour, she is protected, no matter how terrible her behaviour is? Yeah, I think that's absolutely the case. And I think the BBC, you know, one week they like to focus on, you know, drilling down on someone, then the next week it's this, that they're in damage limitation mode. They know that public trust is at an all-time low. People are canceling their TV licenses

and the BBC is not fit for purpose. Now, people like Naga manage to operate and, you know, allegedly bully people because they are at the top of the chain and they make the channel money. that it's a, you know, it's a business at the end of the day. And this is also a woman that is paid $395,000 a year for three mornings work and is screaming at juniors for not making her porridge right. Why don't you do what the rest of the country do and eat your breakfast before you go to work? Yes, indeed.

I mean, but this is the problem though, isn't it, David Curtin? The BBC for a long time. have created these monsters, you know, that they've allowed, and obviously I'm not making a comparison with Nagamonchetti here, but they have allowed the Jimmy Savils and the Hugh Edwards of this world to run rampant. But what just feels so astonishing to me is that they're cracking down on other individuals, but Nagamonchetti seems to have got a pass. I must say I never watched the BBC, and I hardly ever think of Nagamanchetti,

but reading all of these things about her, she doesn't seem like a very pleasant person if these things are true. I mean, I think if she wants porridge, she could make it herself, you know, like everybody else. Why does she have someone a minion to make her porridge for her? I mean, if she is... Our licence fee shouldn't be paying for her porridge to be made, should it?

I know. I mean, she must think that she's so wonderful. I mean, she must think that the, you know, the sun shines out. of her behind or something if she's got these people running around doing these things for her. And sometimes this can go to your head. But I think if you're in any kind of show business or entertainment or a personality or character on television, the one thing you need to do is stay humble and stay a normal person, stay grounded, stay down to earth and not start treating

other human beings as though they're inferior to you. You know, and if these stories are true, it's absolutely terrible that someone can treat someone like that just because they have a position that is lower and subservient to her today because she might be in the exact same position, you know, in another year's time or something later on in life. So, you know, I don't watch these shows, but I think there is some truth to what you said and what Lauren said is that the BBC are absolutely obsessed with diversity. So if you are a feminist, if you are LGBT, if you are a person of colour or whatever they call people of colour today, which would include me as well, I'd probably be on the positive end of that.

Unfortunately, your views just don't fit, do they? Because you've also got to be a big lefty, right? That's all fine as long as you're a big lefty. So, Lauren, look, if you were back in your old job, okay? Oh, God, I'd be having nightmares. Well, yeah, what would you do? Like, what does Nagamunchetti need? to do? Does she need to give a big interview? Does she need to admit that she got things wrong? Or is

it just a case of keep your head down and hope the bosses are going to keep backing you? I just find it insane that she is one of the main presenters. I find her so unlikable. I find her cold. Like imagine waking up and wanting to watch her. I just couldn't imagine anything worse. But her PR, they really need to make her into something that she's, She's not. And that sounds harsh, but it's true. You know, with clients, I would have to work out who do I want them to appeal to? So someone in Nagar's position, you want to appeal to a female audience that finds you relatable. There is nothing about her that's relatable whatsoever. She's very cold. She's very hard-nosed. And sadly, we know, like Dan, we know we've been in these studios. We have seen these presenters. more often than not, the vast majority of them are so different when the camera goes on. Oh, my God. And so you think, if this is Naga being nice, oh my God, what is she like when the camera is off?

And it's always the people who have a reputation, by the way, of being the monsters that are usually the nice ones. It's so bizarre. And it's the nice ones you can never trust that are very false. But I do think the whole world has changed naturally with social media and everything. But for me, I want to be really. really clear, actually. I don't have a personal problem with Nagamun Chieti, but for me, this is about hypocrisy, right? Like, if she wants to be a bit of a cow behind the scenes and, uh, yell at someone about porridge or even tell a sexual joke, I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with

is the BBC destroying Greg Wallace and John Trot. And they destroyed those two men. I mean, it's been revolting seeing what happened to both of them. And I really feel like they felt they could do it because they were straight white men. I really, really feel like that's where we're at now. So it's absolutely fascinating and quite chilling, actually. But what a fabulous insight from top media strategist, Lauren Lund Farrow, and for much more of this insight, she is on Instagram, posting all about the real stories

behind the big news of the day. And, of course, we always love having him on the superstar panel, David Curtin, leader of the Heritage Party. And we will be revealing today's Greatest Britain and Union Jackass in just one moment, so don't go anywhere. But first, your feedback. Swipe 650. This is on the Tommy Robinson arrest, says Nick Lolls is a keyboard warrior, had nothing to say on that video when he was approached on the street. That's the hope not hate. Idiot. John Vacy said, imagine if it went the other way. Tommy pissed up, started bothering someone and got chinned. The left would be hero-worshipping. So true. Total him. hypocrites, aren't they? They're very happy with violence if it's against someone they don't like.

Lisa writes, I wish Tommy would start using security and body cams. Then they can't keep instigating anything with him and churning out their narrative without witnesses and video proof of his own. I mean, the body cam idea, it's a good one, but I wonder if he would think that's too dystopian. I would ask him, I'll ask him about that actually. And John Knox says, eight coppers squeeze an innocent bloke into a van like it's a Netflix special, all for left-tard drugs. Meanwhile, he's just there minding his own defending from the Virtue Signalling Circus. Very good comments today. Thank you.

And thank you, too, to Blair and Kerry Bogdansky and Henning Hofdanske, who all joined Outspoken Plus over the course of the show. I am very grateful to you for that. Okay, a reminder of your nominees for today's union jackass, even Simon Nixon put forward by only Me 40, it's only Me 44, principal of Preston College for sacking Simon Pearson, for saying Lucy Codley's prison sentence was an example of two-tier police seat. Morgan McSweeney, nominated by Taughta Pani, Starman's right-hand man, whose father has reportedly benefited at the tune of £5 million for housing, asylum seekers over an island, and Bush Rishake,

nominated by Sarah Booth for her despicable comments on James Whale in the minutes after the radio legend's death. And if you want to know much more about that story, you can watch our video from yesterday on YouTube now. But the results are in 6% of you going for Simon Nixon, the runner up with 28% Morgan McSweeney. But while today's union jackass by an overwhelming 66% vote, 2 thirds of you, wanting Bush reshake for her horrible, horrible comments about James Whale in death. And today's Greatest Britain, I love this, the nomination from James Whale. Jane Kendrick. It's the women who dressed in pink to protect London, and they won the day. And actually, you ladies and pink would have won yesterday, but of course James Whale, after

his tragic death, did end up being the greatest Britain. But I was so impressed by you over the weekend outside the Britannia Hotel in Canary Wharf. Even doing the Conger line. How can they describe you as far right thugs when you're doing the Conger line, right? Now, enough in the uncanceled after show on substake. The truth about the late Queen's heartbreak over her treatment at the hands of Prince Harry is revealed by Sally Beedle-Smith and Dickie Arbiter in a fascinating new interview. We'll analyse it with our Royal Mastermind, Angela Levin. Come and join us at www.w.w.com.com. Thank you for your company today, back with you tomorrow. 5pm UK time, Midday, Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hit subscribe if you're

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