Dan Wootton Outspoken - TOP BUSINESSWOMAN BERNIE SPOFFORTH SILENCED BY UK GOVT FOR X POST GIVES FIRST INTERVIEW

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

The chilling story of how the deep state arrested and then silenced one of its most vocal critics, the successful businesswoman Bernie Spofforth, even though she’d done nothing illegal. In Two Tier Keir’s UK, the mum had committed the ultimate "crime": Writing a post on X! Dan outlines why Bernie’s arrest sets a chilling precedent that should worry us all. Then the woman herself speaks out in her first interview since being released. PLUS: A very special Superstar Panel – Father Calvin Robinson, Doctor Renee Hoendercamp and Alex Armstrong – weigh in. AND: As Reform UK calls for his lack of a jail sentence to be examined by the Attorney General, is Jim Davidson right to slam Huw Edwards for using mental health to avoid prison? To watch the exclusive Uncancelled After Show for 30-minutes extra content EVERY weekday, sign up at: https://outspoken.live/premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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writing a post on X that the authorities didn't like. Here's how GB News broke the story this morning. Well, breaking news, Bernadette Spoforth, she was the 55-year-old woman who first shared the fake Southport suspect killer rumour online, who was arrested, well, now she has been released. But that wasn't an accurate portrayal. So in my digest next, I'll outline why Bernie's arrest

sets a chilling precedent that should worry us all. And then the woman herself speaks out in her first interview since being released. But I am just an ordinary person and I think you should know how ordinary people have been treated. So on the 8th of August, the police turned up, mob handed, five of them, three police cars and a prison van. Then a very special superstar panel, Father Calvin Robinson, Dr. Renee, Hoda Camp and Alex Armstrong weigh in. Also coming up today, as Reform UK calls for his lack of a jail sentence to be examined by the Attorney General, is Jim Davidson right to slam Hugh Edwards for using the mental health card to avoid prison? Well, guess what? Now, this move will shock nobody.

He's pulled the mental health card, of course, claiming he was suffering with fragile mental health and how he had low self-esteem. You know why? He says he'd gone to cardiff university rather than oxford what what the f**k has that got to do with kiddie porn then in the uncancelled after show what's really eating carol vorderman we'll analyze the loony leftist you can register to watch on our website right now at www.outspoken.live remember it's a

safe space, free of censorship. Your support at just £5 a month gives you the 30 minutes of extra content after the main show every single weekday. But most importantly, in these chilling times, it means that I can continue making this independent daily news show. Let's go. so bernie spofforth is one of the smartest and fairest people i know a highly successful businesswoman entrepreneur wife and a mum of three too she became a superstar on the platform formerly known as twitter during the dark days of covid totalitarianism. But last month, in that wave of deep state overreach which sweeped the UK, and you know I've spoken about regularly here, Bernie's life was turned upside down. On August 8th, three police cars and a paddy wagon arrived at her peaceful Chester farm

and arrested her. She was locked in a police cell for 36 hours. Already traumatized after an MSM witch hunt against her, she was put on a concrete slab with no access to her loved ones or even a change of clothes. She was treated like a terrorist or a murderer, taunted about going to prison. Given the instant police state that had introduced the most egregious two-tier justice in the wake of the so-called riots after the Southport massacre, Bernie believed that she was going to be sent down, perhaps for many years. So this softly spoken, intelligent, actually sort of dream citizen really, who had never put a foot wrong during a faultless life, well she must have done something pretty terrible, right, to find

herself in that situation wrong. All Bernie had done to see the full force of the deep state crash down on her life, drag her family through the mud and destroy her mental health, will share a piece of information about the perpetrator of the Southport massacre that turned out to be untrue. Now, Bernie never claimed she knew if the information was confirmed. As the police and officials shut down virtually any communication after the crime that stunned the nation, there was an information vacuum.

In her post, Bernie had actually clarified what she shared with a very clear caveat, if this is true. So after weeks of hell, including a draconian order to silence her on all social media platforms, Bernie has now officially been given an NFA by the police, which means no further action will be taken against her because she broke no laws. This is how GB News broke the story this morning. Well, breaking news, Bernadette Spoforth, she was the 55-year-old woman who first shared the fake Southport suspect killer rumour online, who was arrested, well now she has been released.

But just like the rest of the MSM desperate to demonise Bernie or any of the poor souls who have been jailed for up to three years for a Facebook or ex-post, that information wasn't even correct. Thankfully, Bernie hasn't been locked up, unlike those others, and she isn't going to go quietly. In a moment, she'll give me her first interview with life, actually. But earlier today, in a powerful post released on X, she explained why Starmer has failed to scare her into silence. But I am just an ordinary person, and I think you should know how ordinary people have been treated.

So on the 8th of August, the police turned up, mob-handed, five of them, three police cars and a prison van, and instead of a simple voluntary interview, they searched me, arrested me, and held me for 36 hours in a concrete cell with a concrete bed like a terrorist. They held me even though I told them that the evidence they needed had already been found by data experts. I explained my post was political, as almost all of my posts are, and my post was aimed at the government and its failing policies, I had not and would not make something up.

But perhaps the authorities and the activists didn't actually care about the truth. They just wanted me punished, as an example to you. And there were more reasons that Bernie was targeted. Watch this. But others did gain. Journalists gained their clicks, my detractors gained my silence, and the authorities gained the silencing of you, because so many of you were afraid to speak. I had expressed my own views on the state of the country and its failure to protect innocent citizens, and that is still legal.

But it's very clear that a vocal part of our society wants the opinions of ordinary people like you and like me suppressed. They say they support free speech, but they mean only the speech they agree with. They say they support dialogue, but only the dialogue that agrees with their worldview. And they say they want equality, but they don't mean for people who think differently to them. No, they don't. And that is one of the most appalling things about woke tyranny. They're going for total destruction, total silence, total cancellation. I can't imagine for even a moment suggesting that Owen Jones or Jeremy Corbyn or even the bloody Taliban be silenced for a reason that Bernie outlines here. Without free speech, there is no democracy. And without democracy, there really is only tyranny.

And to be treated as a criminal when you know you are innocent by the authorities, journalists and activists is terrifying and reputationally devastating. The process is the punishment and it will silence millions. And when we are silent, that is the end and it will silence millions and when we are silent that is the end of our free speech. So to those who celebrated my arrest don't enjoy it too much because it could easily happen to you and the difference between us is that I would fight for you and for all those who stood up for me and did fight for me, thank you. You held my line even as I couldn't.

No, thank you, Bernie, because you lost so much simply because you refused to be silent. And now let me bring in Bernie herself for today's uncancelled interview. Bernie, so great to have you here. I feel like I have lived through this trauma with you over the past few weeks. But you've had an incredible response to your video today. But let's go back a little bit let's go back to the day when your life was turned completely upside down so i think it was first week of august and five police officers turn up at your house um actually it was a really really bad day because I'd already spent quite a lot of time working with lots of data experts to try and evidence that what had happened, that I had just copied and pasted something. thing I hadn't made anything up and the police turned up in the morning to do some kind of welfare check but I actually think what they were doing was

seeing if I was home and then a few hours later they turned up at the door and they came in and searched me and arrested me in my in my lounge and then took me off. So you were taken to the local police station and thrown in a cell? Like a murderer, like a terrorist? I was taken to the police station and held for a while in kind of an underground garage type space. And then they took me into a receiving area. It was all concrete. And, you know, you think your brain is going to be able to cope with this and you think you're a really brave person. And you think, if this ever happens to me, you know, I'll be really able to cope with this and you think you're a really brave person and you think if this ever happens to me you know I'll be really able to cope with this but actually you can't and your brain just shuts

down totally I could not believe that they'd arrested me and when they took me to the front area of this within the police station the superintendent told me that I was being remanded and I would wait there until tomorrow it was about four o'clock in the afternoon and I would be there overnight and they would take me to magistrates in the morning and I would be remanded in prison until my trial so I had nothing I had nothing I had no bag even took my hairband, presumably in case I tried to kill myself with my hairband. I had nothing. And by this point, we knew that this new Labour administration was trying to make an example of people,

the folk who were involved in the so-called riots after the Southport massacre and the people who were described as quote unquote keyboard warriors. So I know there was some taunting towards you about the fact that you were going to spend a lot of time in jail. And at this point, presumably you thought that you were going down for what, two or three years like Julie Sweeney or Lucy Connolly or Wayne O'Rourke? Well, you know, I'm such a big believer in democracy and in justice that I knew that because I was innocent and I hadn't done it and that I could give them all the evidence I hadn't, that of course they weren't going to arrest me. Of course they weren't, because why would you arrest someone who hasn't actually broken the law? And although I'd seen all of this, I just did not

think it would happen. In Britain, I just didn't think it would happen. But the more pressure that people on social media put on that post, tagging in the Met Police. There were hundreds and hundreds of people that just wanted me to shut up. I was worried that I would get a visit, but honestly, I thought it would just be a voluntary interview. The thing that I find so disturbing, Bernieie is that the mainstream media were so desperate to find a scapegoat weren't they for what happened after southport rather than actually have a genuine reflection a genuine discussion about why people might be angry about why there might be unrest on social media there was a need for a scapegoat. And I guess you felt like at that time a perfect scapegoat because they were able to deride you

as all of the things that we're called all the time, conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers and lockdown deniers, all of that sort of stuff. They threw all of that up at us. And in your case, what that meant is the media were able to turn you into a villain and they almost gave the police an easy answer. But I find that so disturbing, Bernie, because the police should not be dictated to by who the mainstream media is telling them to arrest. And certainly they should not be dictated to by who a politician or even a prime minister is telling them who to arrest. But looking back on it now, your arrest and your incarceration was so clearly political. I think the police were under a huge amount of pressure.

And I think that pressure did come from London without doubt there was a huge groundswell of we can't talk about anything else so it must be someone else's fault and and so the thing that the thing that has troubled me and did trouble me deeply at the time was how could the media get so much glee out of saying things that they knew would destroy an ordinary person's entire entire life why would they do that I wasn't the bad guy and so it seemed to me like I was just a perfect distraction you know we can't we can't pick on who did it. We don't want to talk about anything that's happening in the country. We're not allowed to discuss it. So I was the fall guy.

Yeah, let's talk about a model citizen who sent a tweet. And actually, Bernie, I want to read out to you, I don't know if you've seen it, the statement that the police released today because I found it completely fascinating. This is a spokesman for the police released today because i found it completely fascinating this is a spokesman for the police force said a woman who was arrested in relation to an inaccurate social media post has been released without charge the 55 year old woman from near chester was arrested on thursday august the 8th following allegations in relation to a social media post containing

inaccurate information about the identity of the attacker in the Southport murders. Following a thorough investigation, a decision has been made that no further action will be taken due to insufficient evidence. Now, firstly, I hate these bullshit statements that the police release after an example like this, because in fact, they should just just say we got it wrong she did absolutely nothing wrong not that there was insufficient evidence that's the first thing the second thing is it got me thinking bernie one of the reasons that we have become such a target for the deep state is because we have called out lies told in the mainstream media specifically over brexit and covid and now under this new Labour administration.

And just think about the chilling idea that people can be arrested for inaccurate social media posts. Because if that really were the case, then every mainstream journalist virtually operating over the COVID period would have to be arrested for the lies that they told about lockdowns and mandates and vaccines, for example. So this is such a slippery slope and journalists should be fighting for you. But instead, they are on the side of the authorities. Yeah, I just don't understand that. I'll never understand that because to me, journalism particularly was about uncovering the truth, uncovering the truth from Parliament and Westminster and all around the world. And when it's left to other people to find out the truth, because the mainstream media is just printing what the government has asked them to print. I find that completely ridiculous.

I mean, you talk about misinformation. The police arrived to arrest Bonnie Spofforth. And then when they talked to me at the police desk, it was about riots in Stockport. So they got both of those things wrong. It's easy to do. And like Keir Starmer said, if you make an error and you delete your post that should be the end of the matter and it just wasn't

and I don't know how people recover from that. I don't know as a country how we recover from that. Are some people allowed to make errors and are other people not? How do you choose? So the mainstream media people allowed to make errors and are other people not? How do you choose? So the mainstream media are allowed to make errors on a constant basis, including my name, but I'm not allowed to make an error. Why? Indeed. And the problem is, Bernie, their errors are actually hugely damaging because if we go right back to those days after stockport at southport i don't believe for a single second that any social media post caused the unrest that happened on the streets as you say it was an easy distraction so that the government could demonize

the so-called rioters and the white working class who were utterly furious about mass immigration rather than actually deal with what happened over Southport. But weirdly, the mainstream media have just lapped up this narrative that a couple of rogue pieces of information on social media caused what happened. I don't think that was true at all. If you look back to the day that Keir Starama went to south port and was heckled by locals at that point everyone knew exactly who the man charged with the crime was so i think they have lied anyway about the prominence of these social media posts but but i think that, you know, this government, the previous government and the previous government

have a huge issue outside of Westminster, because if you look at places in the north, there are places in the northwest where year after year after year, children come out of school with no GCSEs. And in some of those towns, you can't even take A-levels. So there is no levelling up. There has been no levelling up. They are completely abandoned. No one pays any attention to them. And when they cry for attention, they don't get it. That's it. The only attention that was brought to them were those dreadful riots. And I'm not condemning those riots. I never would. No one in their right mind would. But to say it was because of a tweet or a post, instead of looking behind at the real reasons of total deprivation in those areas, lack of opportunities for young people,

lack of opportunities for even older people who've come out of work. There's nothing. No, I know. I know. But what I think is so shocking, and we have seen this so much develop over the past decade, is that the mainstream media and the establishment work in lockstep now to perpetuate a completely untrue narrative. So in your case, unfortunately, it was this law-abiding businesswoman from Chester who has never put a foot wrong with the law and aggregated some information on social media that turned out to be correct. It's her responsibility. It's her fault. And the media, rather than questioning that, just bought into the narrative because they are lazy and I think they are captured. And it was incredibly disturbing to see. Because of course, Bernie, this has had a massive impact on you

reputationally too, hasn't it? Yeah, of course it has. So 30 years of your entire career, whatever you ever did is gone because the only thing people will ever remember you for is when they search your name on Google, what the press printed about you comes up. And I found that almost unbearable. I mean, really, I did, Dan. I found that almost unbearable.

How low did you get, Bernie? Well, you become almost like a zombie. I couldn't talk to anyone. I couldn't leave my house i was terrified of leaving my house i had no devices the police took them all and and actually the good thing about that is they did thoroughly the moment that we are talking about your communication being taken away so bernie please pick up again i'm a huge apology. No, no, that's okay. I honestly thought it was me. Because we live in Chester and our internet is a disaster. So I was like, oh no, it's me again.

So you were talking about the fact that the state had taken away your devices. And actually, this is something that I find so chilling, Bernie, given that you are a big critic of the government and at that point you were continuing to rail against lots of other things that they were doing. Not that you're party political, by the way. I should stress that. You questioned the previous government as well. But they banned you as part of your bail conditions,

not only for not having access to your devices, but you were not able to post anything on X. Well, actually, I think it was worse than that because the exact wording was, I could not engage in social media, but that wasn't defined. So that would have meant everything, including whatsapp skype i don't know linkedin i've got no idea so i just had to totally stay away from everything which meant i couldn't reply to anybody even really good friends certainly not on whatsapp and i didn't have my devices anyway do you think it was part of a plan to stop others from continuing to criticize and put pressure on the government at a time when they were acutely aware that the unrest and the negativity could have got out of control because bernie, after your arrest, I had so many people, including very high profile politicians, very high profile columnists, both in the mainstream and independent media, come to me and say genuinely, Dan, I am scared.

I don't want to post anything now on X. And they knew it was wrong, Bernie. They knew it was wrong. These are on the whole brave people. But all of a sudden, once someone is arrested and threatened with three years of jail, your psychology changes. But I think you have to balance that down. So, and I do try and be quite balanced. If you have a country that is such a tinderbox, there were riots all over the place and you don't have enough police to deal with it. You have to try and get some measure of control back.

And I can see that the government would do that. And I think I think the easiest way to do it is probably what they did. Do I think it should continue? And that's the big problem. No, of course it shouldn't. Mao did this in China. You know, we will all follow the same ideology. We will all believe the big problem. No, of course it shouldn't. Mao did this in China. You know, we will all follow the same ideology. We will all believe the same thing. And if we don't, we'll have to be re-educated. That can't be allowed to happen. But do I understand why it could have in that instant?

Yes, I do. Do you think that free speech in the UK is under serious threat as a result of this government? Yes, I do. But I think it was beginning to come under threat from the previous government. You know, in the whole history of mankind, we have never been more connected. It's always been easy for a government to control its population. And it has always done through, through the television and through the newspaper. But now they can't control it. And that's a problem for them if they're not sharing information.

So I know lots of people say they're free speech absolutists. But you know, I fall into the category of free information absolutist, because without balanced and full information, how can you ever discuss anything? How can you vote? How can you have a democracy if you're only sharing part of the information you want people to know? And that's the problem the government's got. It's not so much the free speech, because if you only speak about the things they tell you to, then you're fine. It's the information they won't let us have or discuss that I think is the bigger problem. And isn't it that way it was so disappointing, Bernie, to see people on the left and your critics, and it was the usual suspect celebrate your arrest because

that was certainly not my reaction when navara media the hard left platform of owen jones was taken down from youtube i immediately stood up for their right to be able to broadcast and i actually go one step further to b Bernie. I mean, I think it's absolutely terrible that RT, the Russian state propaganda channel, is not able to broadcast in the UK. That may not be a popular view, but we have to know. Putting ourselves in some sort of bubble and pretending that these conversations are not going on actually is short-termist and it doesn't actually help. No, it doesn't help at all and you are just pushing things underground. A democracy must be free to express its views, it must be free to speak about anything it wants to

and you're absolutely right about things like Navarro media And I think I said that on my video. The saddest thing for me of all of that is you can disagree with people politically. You can hold completely different views to me. But I want to hear your view because you can help me. You can help me learn. And if you shut down debate, and if you close down questioning, then you have no democracy. And that's the most terrifying thing of all. And I really, really believe what I say. I would have fought for them, and I will fight for them when they are closed down.

Exactly. I have never called on a leftist 2BD platform, no matter how vile they are to me. Diane Abbott, Harold Vorderman. Of course we should hear them because that's how we realise that they are quite ridiculous in lots of their views. But I think one thing that I've been thinking a lot in terms of you, Bernie, is how disturbing it is that it's the government that has now taken on the role of censor when it was previously big tech. Because of course, this was not the first time you had been silenced. I remember back in November 2021, you posted against vaccine passports and were removed from Twitter. This is not Elon Musk's free speech X. This is major draconian platform Twitter at that point. And at the time, you came on my former GB News show and you said, if you push people who don't agree with you

underground, then that narrative becomes dangerous. You must allow people to speak freely. They must have their opinions and be able to talk about it. If you're censored and pushed down, it's a very dangerous place to be. But what I find so incredible, Bernie, is if you think about what has changed in the three years since you abandoned, you gave that interview, Twitter has now transformed into X under Elon Musk. So it is a true free speech platform, much to the horror of Tutankhamen. And as a result of that, because there is a big tech company who is actually defending our right to free speech and expression, and because they wouldn't censor you, Bernie,

the British government decides that they must. And I think that that is the route that we will continue down. I think that, you know, the online harms bill, when it went through the Lords, there were some caveats put in those and some amendments made. I remember seeing the chief exec of Signal saying that part of the original documentation for legislation had included installing malware on all devices who downloaded online apps. So if you want to download Twitter on your phone, malware will be installed and there will be trigger words. And if those trigger words are picked up, then it'll be reported to the authorities, I guess. And I was quite horrified of that. And I think those types of things will come back into play again.

So if you want to deal on social media, it will have to be done with your authentic name. And you will probably need a digital ID in order to prove that. Yeah, it's really chilling stuff. And Bernie, from your perspective, I guess it would have been very easy for you to retire from public life after this. OK, fuel. I avoided jail this time just. I've been through a big trauma you're a highly successful businesswoman you're very comfortable in your family and personal life so what is it that has made you decide no i have to be part of this fight i cannot go underground and I have to be brave. I actually don't think I was very

brave. I just knew I just knew the end of my story couldn't be that. I couldn't leave that as the end of my story that I had been brought so low and brought down

so cruelly by people who didn't know me and who didn't care and that it was so wrong and there were so many other people out there that have been treated even worse than I have. You've talked about them on your show for the last few weeks. I couldn't be silenced for something that was so wrong. And that's obviously why I've come back. Because, Bernie, I know that what you posted was very different to, say,

Wayne O'Rourke or Julie Sweeney or Lucy Connolly. But you must admit that there is a real problem with a society that does not jail men who beat up women, that does not jail paedophiles, but is putting people behind bars for years, for years, based on a fruity opinion that they posted in the heat of the moment on Facebook or X. What is that about? It's horrendous. It is horrendous. And the justice system in the UK is probably as broken as the NHS. You know, our sentencing is incorrect. Our court delays are just absolutely ridiculous. Our convictions for rape are appalling. The fact that you can carry a knife and not go to prison, and you can probably be caught four or five times and still not go to prison. All of that is wrong. And I know that millions of people agree that our justice system is failing but then for the government to say oh the justice system is completely failing but let's put all

our efforts into jailing people who say hurty things on the internet who you know are never going to do anything they're just ventinging. It is unbelievable to me. It's unbelievable to me that people who have domestic abuse, they are violent offenders, have been released early in order to make space in prisons for people like me. And we are reducing the bar in terms of what incitement to violence is, aren't we? Because every single post that I have read from those folk who are jailed, sure, some of them were unsavoury. I've apologised for some of them. I've taken them down. But none of them were actually calling for any specific violence against any individual. It was angry posts. And I think part of it, Bernie, is that people are sick

of being lied to by the authorities, being gaslit by the authorities, and having information suppressed by the authorities. Because we put up with that, didn't we, for so many years during the COVID pandemic. We have now had it when it comes to nut zero. We're getting it when it comes to the message of globalist organizations like the World Economic Forum. Don't you worry your pretty little heads. You're not going to own anything, but you'll be happy because we'll make sure you'll be happy and i really feel like there is a revolt against that approach where can we have that revolt on social media so what do they try and do criminalize free discussion on social media i find it chilling yeah well well it is but but you can see the pattern and i mentioned now before

and i'll mention Mao again you know you are going to tell the population what the narrative is that's what the population is going to agree with and when they don't agree with it you're going to find some measure to stop them that that's exactly what it is because the next criminalization if you look at Google and you look at Google's agreement with the UN and and you look at Google's agreement with the UN, and if you look at Google's agreement with the WHO, then misinformation now is also going to cover climate change and net zero. And, you know, I know we do pick at the BBC quite a lot, but let's just talk about the BBC. The BBC on Bite Size, which is a fantastic educational tool,

I cannot knock it, they had on about climate change, they had reasons why it will be a problem, but the benefits of climate change. And the backlash against the benefits of climate change was so huge that they deleted the page. So instead of teaching children in school, this might be bad, but there are benefits to this. They didn't. They took all the benefits away. So, Benny, what I love is compared to a few weeks ago, you your fighting spirit back you're not going silent

you're now free of the threat hanging over you that you might be spending three years in jail so what is your plan you know actually i don't feel like that i honestly believe that the police could knock at the door at any second. I'm terrified to speak. I don't know what to say on social media. I'm not even sure what I'm allowed to say and I don't know how long that's going to take. I know that sounds really pathetic. I know all of you are laughing at me but I honestly do feel like that I've never felt this awful in my entire life so I just I guess you need to get back on the bike and uh stop pedaling indeed well you have been traumatized and let down by the deep state so it's not a surprise that you feel this way

but look stand by Bernie because I want you to to stay with us for the rest of the show, but alongside today's brilliant superstar panel. And it is a perfect day for me to introduce three free speech warriors making her debut. Dr. Renee Hodenkamp alongside returning favourite Alex Armstrong and the great Father Calvin Robinson. And Father Calvin, I believe you've been there spiritually for Bernie over the past few weeks. Yeah, I've tried to do my bit. I think with any of these situations, it can whip you spiritually as well as emotionally and physically,

and you can feel drained by it all. So I was very pleased when Bernie's daughter reached out and said, give my mum a call. Here's her number. And of course, I was happy to give her a call. And I think Bernie, I was the first one to speak to you. And we just prayed. We just sat there to give her a call. And I think, Bernie, I was the first one to speak to you. And we just prayed. We just sat there and prayed for a while.

And I think they can feel like they're on your shoulder. You can feel like you're pressed down by it all, all this authoritarianism and the police threats and the social media threats. And it can feel a lot. So I think it's important that we have to remind each other that we are here for each other first and foremost, but also that God's here for us too, and that we can take some time

out and reflect on what's happening to another spiritual level. And I'm always here for, well, not just Bernie, all of you. If any of you want to spend some time in prayer, you know where I am, but they want you to feel down. They want you to feel oppressed. They want you silenced. And so the opposite of that is to fight back. And we don't always have that courage in us so sometimes we need to find that courage in other people sometimes we need to find that courage from god and i'm so glad to be burning on here saying her her own piece and telling people her story because i think the tabloids talking about her obviously not using your name but i've seen them talking about you. I think it's horrible when you've got this tittle-tattling of, oh, X person banned for this, X person arrested for that. Let's not talk about people as if they are not human beings. Let's tell the full story of,

yeah, I may have retweeted something that may or may not be true. It may have been what you call misinformation. It may have just been something that I believed to be true that actually other people don't believe to be true. But does it really matter? I'm a person at the end of the day. Don't target me as if I'm some kind of satan trying to take down some kind of hierarchy. I'm just trying to put out the truth.

And as the liberals have been talking for so long about putting out your truth and my truth, this, my truth, that, it's funny that when the shoe's on the other foot, they do not want to allow us to speak our truth. And, Burning, I know you were really strengthened by Calvin's support, weren't you? Honestly. Honestly. I can't even look at Calvin without crying

because I hadn't spoken to anybody and he literally just did phone me and say, let's pray. And he didn't even talk to me. He talked to God. And I just listened. And it was the most wonderful, just wonderful thing that anyone could ever have done. And I'll always be grateful to him for that. Dr. Renee, this has been a difficult one for you as well, because like Bernie, you are a very successful businesswoman in your own right.

You are also one of the media's most prominent medical doctors. But as a result of all of your experience, Dr. Renee, you are outspoken. Why you're perfect on this show. You say the things that very often the silence majority are thinking, but people are too afraid to express in this new controlled society. So when you saw this happen to your friend, did it make you think twice? 100%. I mean, when I heard what had happened to Bernie, and in fact it was you, Dan, who texted me to tell me what was happening, and then I reached out knowing

that Bernie wouldn't have her devices to her lovely daughter, I was terrified. I was terrified for Bernie. I was terrified for bernie i was terrified for us you know when i say us i really do feel that there is a family of us who throughout the last four years have been outspoken when others won't who have been brave enough when others weren't who have been able to use our platform that we're lucky enough to have to make the most of that. And all of the time, I know that Bernie, for sure, myself, is researching what we do. And we're saying it for a reason. We're not just saying

it because we want to rant or because we've got some angle that we want to push on our behalf. We're saying something because we understand how people are feeling who really don't have a voice. So when I saw and heard what happened to Bernie, I was terrified for her. I felt for her because, you know, like a sister, you know, someone who has just been completely downtrodden by the people who should be there to protect us, but we're doing the complete opposite. And also what that meant for everybody else. And I have to say, and I've said this to Bernie, I definitely started self-censoring in those days and weeks after that happened to her.

Yeah. And that's what worries me because we need your voice. We need you not to self-censor. Now, Alex Armstrong, you, on the other hand, I would argue, actually became more outspoken in the period after the Southport massacre. You were regularly going viral. You were gaining the attention of Elon Musk. And you were calling out the two-tiered nature of what was going on in the justice system. So were you not put off or rocked by Bernie's arrest? I mean, I was completely shocked that within just a matter of days of this government becoming the government, the Labour Party getting into power, that these laws that the Tories had

written in years ago were being weaponised. I absolutely shocked i never thought in my lifetime i'd see the day that people like bernie who were literally just retweeting statements from other people would have the police knocking at their door it was something that i read in in orwell and assumed it would be science fiction but as soon as i saw this was happening to people that I knew I realized the time to be a little less coy was the time to be coy was over at that point I said well now I've got to really start fighting for not just for my own voice but for the voice of those who haven't got one anymore and it just struck me it really struck a chord with me because freedom of speech is our God given right. And it's so, you know, so great that Calvin Robinson's here today.

Father Robinson's here because for me, there's a spiritual part of this. It is what you're born with. You are born to be allowed to speak freely. And we should be able to say that whether that's online or and we're also entitled to make mistakes, Dan. Now, we're human beings. We should be entitled to forgiveness. And instead, rather than warning people that this is not how this government's going to conduct lawfare, they'll just send you to prison instead. I was shocked. So, yeah, I just started using my voice more.

And as soon as I did that, there were a few powers that tried to cut me back, so to speak. But I refused to do so yeah well that always happens i mean i've seen lots of high profile people who i would have expected to speak out over this period and they haven't and i can only assume that either they have become terrified of arrest or and this is something that's really unfortunate the powers that be as you put it alex at whatever organization they work for be it a business or a political party have said just be careful and that's really wrong and that is really really worrying but Bernie it is fascinating isn't it to see that your arrest did have such an impact because all of us free speech warriors in one way or another

were affected by it i think that it i agree with whatever be said and and what renee said is is completely correct although i believe our um beliefs and what we've said over the last four years are probably fairly mainstream and the majority view we were always positioned as the minority we were the odd ones out and that isn't the case at all and when I posted the video this morning I really did question am I the odd one out am I the only one that still thinks this is important? And the response was cute. And so I go back to, we are not the minority. We are the mass market.

It is us. We are the populists. And populist means average. We're the average. We're the majority. So using this word, oh, you're just a populist. average with the average with the majority so using this word oh you're just a populist good good because it means i'm part i'm proud of it average i love being a populist exactly i am proud of being a populist absolutely unashamedly and my i think my most proudest moment

was when douglas murray called me a plebb in his spectator and I was like yes I am but no it is fascinating isn't it because come on if people listen to the conversation between the five of us today I'm very convinced they would say it's sedate and it's thoughtful and it's certainly not about trying to whip something up unnecessarily. Yet if you looked at the perception of all of us online, you would believe that we are far right, irresponsible flamethrowers trying to incite violence. So there is a big issue in terms of demonization and weaponization. But Dr. Rene, I just wanted to pick one thing up about the sharing. I don't actually use the term, Rene, anymore, misinformation or disinformation or conspiracy theory, because I think those terms are specifically used to shut down genuine debate.

And I think back to the COVID era, Rene, and if we hadn't shared the information that the government told us not to, be it about ivermectin or masks or vaccines whatever it happened to be lockdowns then actually a light would never have been shone on the shocking mistruths that were out there yeah i mean covid was for me the real eye-opener because up until that point i probably went through life thinking, oh, you know, governments, they do some bad things, but in the main, they're looking after us. And I don't believe that anymore. I really don't, trust me. My eyes were opened at the way COVID was weaponized to keep anybody who wasn't going to go along with the COVID narrative silenced. And I was astounded

at how many of my colleagues who, let's face it, are supposed to be the most intelligent people in the country and free thinkers, were the complete opposite. And I've said this many times that during COVID, the problem that we had was that the best minds in the world stopped thinking. They just started doing what they were told and to think what they should think and that was a massive problem because science is never fixed medicine is never fixed mistakes happen in medicine narratives change and you know I could list as long as my arm things that you know have changed I got a bulletin this week about a drug we've used in the NHS forever called sodium valproate

that now if you're a man taking it you mustn't have unprotected sex for three months after taking it because your unborn child might be deformed. Now if I'd have said that five years ago people would have said I was crazy. Now it's an MRHA bulletin. So I was astounded that doctors weren't looking at what was happening around them, looking for their own information and drawing their own conclusions and asking questions. Because if you can't ask questions, then there is nowhere to go. The world is doomed. And for me, that was the real eye opener. We have far too many people now who were quite happy to just be told absolute nonsense and say, okay, well, he said that, so it must be right. And we need to get back to a point where people actually will say, well, is that right? Because I've read this and

I think this and logically, I'm thinking this much. You might be wrong, but you should be able to say that without being called an outlier. And that's what I was immediately called. I was an outlier. I was a tinfoil hat wearer. And I was going to kill my own mother. You know. Yeah.

Well, totally. Conspiracy theorist. Exactly. Now it's far right. You're on the far right. Just like it used to be turf if you had issues like J.K. Rowling did about female safety, maybe part of what we have to do is reclaim those terms as well. But look, stand by all because Jim Davidson is furious about people like Bernie being targeted while Hugh Edwards walks free.

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What the has that got to do with kiddie porn? Hmm? Your mental health suffered because you got caught, probably. That's what your mental health got done. What on earth were you doing? Let's get back to the justice system in this country. Now, we have a system that you can see, right? You can go to jail for a bad tweet,

but you can walk free if you pay for images of little children. It's a disgrace, isn't it, really? And barristers have pointed out that Hugh Edwards' sentencing, get this, is within the guidelines. It is. The questions surely have to be asked. Why have we got to the stage where people are in prison for posting nasty words on social media, where convicted paedophiles are walking the streets?

It's a f***ing sham. Father Calvin Robinson, Jim Davidson's right, isn't he? Jim Davidson is often right. My first reaction was, how on earth is this pedo being let off? This must be the system being, well, two-tiered. And then I read these secret barristers' tweets and things that Jim Davidson was referring to, and actually it is. The guidelines, the problem, it wasn't the judge in this particular case.

This is an expected result. If you are convicted of sharing or obtaining child, I won't call it pornography because it just doesn't seem right, just child abuse images, then this is the expected result. So it's that entire system that is wrong, that is changing.

And it's absolutely right that on the other hand, we see people are being locked up and rushed through the prison system, rushed through the judicial system to be sent to jail for tweeting or Facebook posts. And this conversation about mental health really riles me up because paedophilia is one of the worst crimes, one of the worst things. It's just the most immoral, every single person in society should be against it. His mental health is nobody's concern, absolutely nobody's concern. If he wants to rot in hell, that's on his soul, right? The problem here is that other people's mental health are not considered. Bernie's mental health is not considered. Bernie has been through it, you know, having police intimidate her, having all these accusations

thrown at her, having stories about her in the press. Who's concerned about Bernie's mental health? And people like her who've maybe retweeted something or put something on Facebook. For goodness sake. And while I'm here, I just want to put that out there, actually, that Dr. Renee mentioned Bernie's wonderful daughter. I want to put that out because Bernie is very, very lucky to have such a loving family around her. Now, not everyone is in that situation so i think people should be prepared people should have like a backup option have a friend or a family member have someone looking out for you if you are active on social media if you are a free speech warrior

they could come for you and i don't want to say be careful because i think i don't think we should be careful what we say we should say what's true but make sure there's someone who has your back because if they do take your devices away from you and they lock you up and they threaten you, who's going to let people know? You need a Bernie's daughter is what you need. So make sure you get someone to watch your back. Yes, very, very true. Dr. Rene, the thing that I found so extraordinary about the Hugh Edwards court case, and certainly about some of the coverage around it on the BBC, was that the guy was blaming his dead father and even the fact that he didn't get into Oxford as the reason behind his poor mental health that resulted in these paedophilic crimes.

I mean, you are a medical doctor. Does that hold any sort of uh so you know is there any sort of evidence behind that contributing to pedophilia no i mean the evidence is fairly consistent there are some variations that pedophilia is something that develops during puberty and it's basically there for life so So we know that paedophiles are very rarely, if ever, reformable. And it's got nothing to do with, you know, his father expecting him to get into Oxford, and he didn't. You know, a lot of paedophiles may have been abused as a child, and that's a completely different thing. But you know, I wanted to say to Hugh, I had a pretty useless father, probably a bit worse than his because mine didn't hang around for that long. And it didn't turn me into a paedophile. You know,

people have bad childhoods. How they come through it is up to them and nobody else. I really do believe that lots of people have bad childhoods, but they still turn out to be very moral and good human beings. The problem we have in this country is we demonstrated in COVID again, that we have no respect for children at all. We don't view them as precious beings that are a gift and that we should nurture them into the future because they are the future. We view them as dispendable. They don't matter. What we do to them is irrelevant and how they then turn out is irrelevant. We then see the whole trans movement, which is trying to sexualize our children with

their drag queens and everything else convincing boys that they can be girls and girls that they can be boys and that you can flip between the two and it's all fine you know when we're actually doing this to children when we're confusing them when we're not saying to them you know you are precious you are a girl you're you're so precious you can bear a baby you're a boy you are precious, you are a girl, you're so precious you can bear a baby, you're a boy, you're precious you can make a baby. And when we're not teaching them about the real reason that we are all here, which is to procreate and keep the human race going and doing that as a man and a woman, we then actually start blurring the lines between what is acceptable behavior with a child and what isn't and the fact that only 25 percent of pedophiles actually get a custodial sentence but we have

people who send hurty tweets however silly or ill-advised they were in prison for extended periods of time is the most disgusting thing that i have encountered this week and I'm sure it will be for a long time yeah three years three years some of these people getting and Alex you're livid that Hugh Edwards will not spend a day behind bars it's just just disgusting isn't it I think the British public are sick of the justice system in this country rewarding criminal behavior but people who have done barely anything wrong or have never even had a warning are sent straight to the slammer what really really wound me up was that politicians when they want to change the justice system or force the justice system to be, let's say, less lenient, get up

on podiums like Keir Starmer did, two-tier Keir, get up on a podium, demand the courts stay open and say, I'm holding these courts open for 24 hours a day, seven days a week to lock these people up. But when it really comes to sick people like Hugh Edwards, the system's lenient against them. I mean, the judge was concerned for his safety. To hell with his safety. I care about the safety of children and parents in this country, parents who are terrified to let their children even go to a sleepover. not only because of legislation that's been passed by the what the uni party over the last 30 years, but it's a problem where we've got lefty lawyers constantly infiltrating the system. And that's only going to get worse with the new guidelines that the bar is putting out, saying that you must advance DEI in order to be part of in order to be a lawyer in the future. There's more to come. This is not over.

And Bernie, look, I do agree that a lot of this was about the guidelines i agree with father calvin on that but this magistrate who refused to send hugh edwards to jail even for a day was the same man who sent a slightly troubled young guy who accosted Christopher Whitty in a public park, made a bit of a silly social media video, but certainly didn't attack Christopher Whitty in any way. He sent him to prison for, I think it was six or eight weeks. So we know that there are choices to be made. And it feels to me, Bernie, and I'll give you the final word on this today, but it feels to me that the choice is being made to attack a particular type of person. And usually that type of person is active on social media and criticises and challenges the establishment narrative. Yeah, I think that is exactly right.

And as Calvin said, it's fine when the liberals do it to have their truth. But everybody else is held to this far, far, far higher standard. And it's completely wrong. And what René says about children being precious is absolutely true. And the state has downgraded how precious children are for decades. You know, we even had reports from Rotherham about calling children child prostitutes. Well, you can't have a child prostitute because children cannot consent to sex but that's what we called them. So we don't value children and we only value liberal truth and that means you end up with a situation where as we've just seen recently people speaking their minds, saying things that were a

bit hurty are treated far more seriously than crimes against children. Where were the victim impact statements of those children in Hugh Edwards' trial? Oh, they didn't feature because children are not important. And I agree with everything that the panel have said. It's completely disgusting what's happening in the criminal justice system. Well, Bernice Pofforth, it is so good, though, that you are back. Really, really delighted to have you for the first time on Outspoken. We need your voice. So stay strong. Stay brave.

If they didn't beat you through this, then you're not going anywhere. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. But stand by Father Calvin Robinson, Alex Armstrong and Dr. Renee on the camp, because coming up in the uncancelled after show today. Serious question. Has Carol Warnerman lost the plot now you know it's very important to me that we have a safe space that is not patrolled by big tech where censorship and control runs deep

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