Dan Wootton Outspoken - TRAIN TERROR COVER UP AS MSM LIE & 32-YEAR-OLD CHARGED HAD ALREADY BEEN ON KNIFE RAMPAGE

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

A weekend of gaslighting, cover up and lies from our corrupted politicians, authorities and MSM after a mass stabbing on a train to London leaves ten with horror injuries and one brave staff member in... hospital fighting for their life in scenes out of a horror movie that are now commonplace in Slippery Starmer’s Disunited Kingdom. We have finally learned that 32-year-old Anthony Williams has been charged with the attempted murders, but what’s more is that he was already wanted by police after another stabbing the night before, not to mention this horrific scene at a barbers – yet our hapless authorities let this demon out to allegedly try and kill innocents. Wanting the truth will see you branded racist and only our political leaders outside of parliament dare to question what’s really going on. Dan will slam the elite class for accepting that mass stabbing events are now part of life in Britain in his Digest. Then the Superstar Panel are here: Head of Fair Fuel UK and Advance UK College Member Howard Cox, and unspun political commentator Peter Barnes, host of the Barnes Network on Substack. PLUS: Calls to bring back the death penalty and legalise pepper spray as the fallout from this weekend’s horror unfolds. AND: A Loose Women star is lined up to replace axed Mike Graham on Talk TV. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Meghan Markle exposed for a fake Instagram publicity stunt involving her miserable husband Prince Harry. We’ll reveal all as we team up with the Royal News Network. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:22 19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Concerned by your gambling or that if someone close, you call 1866-3-3-1-2-60 or visit comixonterio.ca. No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wooden. This is outspoken episode number 351. A weekend of gaslighting cover-ups and lies from our corrupted politicians, authorities and MSM. After a mass stabbing on a train to London leaves 10 with horror injuries, one brave staff member still fighting for their life in hospital after scenes out of a horror movie that are now commonplace in Slippery Starmers Disjure. United Kingdom. And this is just all from a lad's life that I tried to save soccer bleeding. And I had a guy suddenly run past going, run, run, there's a guy stabbing, literally everyone at everything, there was a few of us kind of looking at each other, like thinking it was it a joke, like it's Halloween, I'd be pranking, but then you can kind of see in their faces
Starting point is 00:01:56 they'll be in serious. So after trying to shut us up all weekend, we finally learned that 32-year-old Anthony Williams has been charged with the attempted murders. But listen to this. He was already wanted by police after multiple stabbings the night before. Not to mention that horrific scene at a barbers. Yet our hapless authorities let this demon out to allegedly try and kill innocent. on that train.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Tweeted last night, quote, if Britain's drift towards civil conflict continues, the next phase will be physical when politics ceases to settle grievances, they're settled by other means. Is that the sort of thing that a Tory peer ought to be posting online? Why do we need to know that particular detail?
Starting point is 00:02:49 I think the fact that a British citizen is relevant, it kind of puts to bed the idea which could have perhaps led to the most pronounced surprise and anger on the streets if the person was here illegally. Oh, yes, wanting the truth, we'll see you branded racist. And only our political leaders outside of Parliament dare to question what's really going on. I think the impression he was trying to give in that description
Starting point is 00:03:15 was that those of us who were concerned about the assault on our country by illegal migrants and other criminals who shouldn't be here needn't be concerned that this is an entirely domestic British issue. But remember, that after the killings in Southport, the brutal killings of those three young girls, Stama described the perpetrator as a Welshman. Stama indulged, in my view, undoubtedly indulged, in deflection. As soon as you remove the terrorism label, it can't be to do with ideology.
Starting point is 00:03:44 That means you can't point it at any one direction, be that demographic, religion, causality goes out the window. And we're there losing our minds, thinking, well, we're just surrounded by knife-wielding, psychopaths and maniacs. Totally, and I refuse to accept that. I refuse to accept that. Mass-stabbing events cannot just become part of life in Britain. So I'll get into that in my digest next. Then my superstar panel here, head of Fairfuel UK and Advanced UK College member Howard Cox and the unspun political commentator Peter Barnes, host of the Barnes Network on Substack. Also coming up on the show today, calls to bring back the death penalty and legal legalise pepper spray as the fallout from this weekend's horror unfolds.
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Starting point is 00:05:00 A programming note, too, we will also be live with you tomorrow at 9.30 a.m. As the British state puts Tommy Robinson on trial for terrorism, that verdict will be announced. Tommy will be in court. Of course, you cannot trust the mainstream media reporting on this case, because you know how they feel about Tommy Robinson. So tomorrow we will bring you a special show. Lauren, the insider, is live at Westminster's Magistrate's Court. I will also be joined by Don Keith of the Real Beef and a special show. You can schedule it right now and just click watch later in our live tab in order to be alerted to that show. But we will be live with you at 9.30 a.m. tomorrow morning, then have all of the
Starting point is 00:05:52 fallout as usual in our live show at 5 o'clock. We'll also reveal a brand new Greatest Britain and Union Jackass before the end of the show. Here are your nominees. Ed Miliband, nominated by It's Only Me 44, who says 100 pound boiler tax, and for every 92 boilers sold, manufacturers must sell at least six heat pumps or will be fined £500 per heat pump. They fail to sell. Lisa Nandy, nominated by Karen Quinn, for panicking and trying to get Fiona to shut Matt Goodwin down. She was that telltale kid at school who would be kept in at playtime to help the teacher because nobody wanted to play with her because she would grasp them up. That's in reference to last Thursday's question time. And John Healy, nominated by Thanks a lot 412.
Starting point is 00:06:37 The Defence Secretary has told us we should be more vigilant. Is he expecting an apology from the victims for not being more vigilant? So there are your choices. Keep your comments coming and I'll read them at the end of the show. But now let's go. So it's another complete shit show in Lawless Britain, with 10 innocents slaughtered on a train by a black man who we are told nothing about, other than that he was born in Britain, as were, by the way, the 7-7 terrorists, Lee Rigby's killer, and Axel Ruda-Cabana. But if we dare raise questions about the very obvious cover-up going on by the elite class, including the, our hapless leaders and toothless MSM, then we are somehow racist. Every time, after one of these attacks, we ask for transparency. Every time we never get it until someone is charged, as happened with 32-year-old Anthony Williams
Starting point is 00:07:40 this morning. Then, we're all just meant to shut up. Well, no, no. Because the Cambridgeshire police have had to refer them. to the police watchdog, because this was said Anthony Williams, just hours before his knife rampage on the train to Huntingdon, terrifying even more innocence at a barber's watch. So that's what we're going to be So that was ours before hand
Starting point is 00:08:40 So that was hours beforehand It has also been revealed That he allegedly stabbed a 14-year-old boy in Peterborough the day before the train attack. But in the past few minutes, our corrupted and our complicit Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood has told us yet again we all just have to shut up and be patient. I know this house and the public will have many unanswered questions today
Starting point is 00:09:11 about who this attacker was and about the events that led up to the attack. Those questions will be answered, but it will take time. the police and prosecutors must be allowed to do their work. That's not good enough. We need answers. We are sick of waiting. And we don't trust you. Because even now the MSM and the elite class see more concerned about community cohesion, focusing on the fact that this man was born in Britain, which means, you know, there's nothing to even talk about. As Paul Watson, Paul Joseph Watson pointed out facetiously, however, as British as afternoon tea, a red phone box, fish and ships, and Axel Ruda-Kabana.
Starting point is 00:09:57 And pointing out the complicity of the MSM in this ongoing cover-up, Lelani Dowdine added, Many papers are using Picture 1. You can see it's a zoomed-in, cropped picture of Picture 2, which looks to be at the barber's shop. Charity today alleges he went into a barbers shop with the staff called the police, but the police did nothing and no action was taken. Let me read to you some of that horrifying report from charity today.
Starting point is 00:10:26 It is alleged that police were alerted to the man now charged in connection with the Huntington train incident before a serious assault aboard a London mound service. Sources have alleged that a man had earlier entered a barbershop on Queens Walk in the Fletton and Woodston area of Peterborough once on Friday and again on the morning of the incident. Staff is said to have contacted police after being left terror. by his behaviour, which can be seen on CCTV footage reviewed by Charity Today. Eyewitnesses told Charity Today that a man appeared visibly distressed and agitated as he entered the barbershop,
Starting point is 00:11:03 brandishina knife on Friday afternoon and again on Saturday morning. Footage show into Charity Today appears to show staff fleeing for their lives as a man entered the premises with a large kitchen knife. One witness told Charity Today they believe they have previously seen the same man. and suggested he may be known to some local residents. A local business owner in Woodston, Peterborough claimed the police knew about it. I encountered the man twice, once on Friday night and once again on Saturday morning. I saw that big kitchen knife he had. I have the CCTV footage God was watching over us.
Starting point is 00:11:41 It is alleged that officers were made aware of the man's presence, but did not detain him or carry out an assessment. At this stage, investigators have not confirmed any link between the. the earlier reports in Peterborough and the subsequent train incident. But it gets worse, folks. It gets much worse. Because the Huntington train suspect also allegedly stabbed a DLR passenger, the night before his knife rampage.
Starting point is 00:12:09 So this took place in the early hours of Saturday at Pondoon Dock DLR Station shortly before 1am. It is understood his victim suffered facially. injuries after being attacked with a knife. Williams then left that location before going on a knife rampage on the high-speed train to London on Saturday evening. And we all know what happened next. Please, run. I don't. I don't know. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Come on. Come on. I don't know the truth they're looking at least. All right, they're all the place about non-dry. What are you doing something? They're looking for someone on the train. They're going for someone on the train. That's so good, he's up, I'm just for it.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Give me a hug! Give me a hug! Four, six, eight. There's at least ten ambulances, twelve ambulances. Oh my god. Can you say it's cool, you know? They don't need someone on the train. Give it up to that train were truly horrific.
Starting point is 00:14:25 The scenes on board that train were truly horrific. From the Telegraph, the train left Peterborough station at 7.30 p.m. Moments later, there came a message over the tan. We are aware there is an incident. Just keep yourself safe. What followed was 14 minutes of terror as LNER passengers were trapped in a moving train with a marauding knife attacker. Some tried to hide in the toilets. Others collapsed from their injuries, soaking the train seats and blood during a scene that felt like something from a film, witnesses said. One passenger initially believed that it was a Halloween prank until he saw blood covering the carriages. The accounts from those poor souls
Starting point is 00:15:15 on board as the driver fled to Huntington for 14 painful minutes were just hellish. What happened to you, sir, last night? We just happened to be on the same, the same. And this is just all from a lad's life that I tried to save, stop the bleeding. What did you see? Just not worried. Just a young lad that had a lot of stab wounds and I just created a makes you turnicky to try and stop bleeding. And how are you pushing these? Pretty shaken up by the whole thing as you would expect.
Starting point is 00:15:55 You don't get on the train expecting anything like that but I'm just trying to get on with life now. Can I ask you a name? Thank you. Andy. Andy. Andy Gray. Great. With an E. Thank you, Annie. I was in Coach H.
Starting point is 00:16:15 I was literally listening to Audubour on my phone. And then I had guys suddenly run past going, run, run. There's a guy stabbing, literally everyone, everything. There was a few of us kind of looking each other, like thinking, it was it a joke, like it's Halloween, I'd be pranking. But then you could kind of see in their faces that were being serious. I kind of got my stuff and I was running, and everyone was really pushing behind this, really panicking.
Starting point is 00:16:36 And at this point, I was kind of asking questions, like, what's happening? Like, who is it? And they were, like, a guy's just stabbing everyone back there, put my hand on this chair, like, just trying to push myself forward. And then I look at my hand and it's covered in blood. And then I look at the chair and there's blood all over the chair. And I'm thinking, okay, this is pretty serious. To some of the guys that had ran through to kind of alerts of run,
Starting point is 00:16:55 they were the ones who had also being stabbed. So we're running over and getting to the end of the carriage, still trying to work out, who is it? What's their intentions? What's their motives? I just knew they were stabbing everyone. So someone kind of said they thought they had a gun, pulled the emergency alarm and just trying to work out with barricaded doors, come and we locked the doors.
Starting point is 00:17:14 But we couldn't really. And then by the time I got to the end of the carriage, I realized I was actually at the back of it and there was about six of us. There was a girl, bless her, who was really, really in a bit of state because the guy actually tried to stab her and one of the older guys was an absolute hero blocked it with his head and he's got this like gash. He had his gash on his head. He's got a thing a gash on his neck
Starting point is 00:17:36 and he's kind of giving him our jackets to keep the pressure on the blood. While we're doing that, there's a person that I know and he's kind of looked to me and gone like, have you got anything we can use in case he comes through? There's at least 10 ambulances, 12 ambulants. We had a Jack Daniels bottle between us and that was it. So we're kind of sitting there.
Starting point is 00:17:54 We've got one Jack Daniels bottle is looking down on the end of this carriage is praying somebody doesn't walk down with a knife, with a gun. We didn't really know what's going on. So quite naturally, a nation already on edge. After the stabbing to death of Wayne Broadhurst in West London last week, allegedly by an Afghan illegal, who arrived here on the back of a lorry,
Starting point is 00:18:15 saw epping locals erupt in furious street protests, leaving multiple people furious. Save the nation! Deportension! Save the nation! Save the nation. Deportation. Save the nation.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Deportation. Save the nation. Deportation. Refugees are welcome here. Say it now. Say it's welcome here. Refugees are welcome here. But for our media class,
Starting point is 00:18:51 that is just dismissed as far right racism. Indeed, the new host of Sly News's Breakfast Show, who is meant to be a journalist. His father was David Frost. He's led him. his dad's name down actually argued today that the cops should not disclose the ethnicity of criminals. Why do we need to know that particular detail? I think the fact that a British citizen is relevant, it kind of puts to bed the idea which could have perhaps led to the most
Starting point is 00:19:21 pronounced uprisings and anger on the streets if the person was here illegally. I'm not sure where the ethnicity is necessary. I don't blame the police. They're following the new guidance and these things evolve over time. But it would be interesting to see where the final guidance on this ends up. It's only temporary guidance at the moment. Do you notice how fucked up our media classes? They literally care more about protests on the street than they do about innocence being stabbed by a madman on a train.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Think about that. And then there's Lewis Goodall. Toby Young tweeted last night, quote, conflict continues. The next phase will be physical when politics ceases to settle grievances. They're settled by other means. Is that the sort of thing that a Tory peer
Starting point is 00:20:07 ought to be posting online? I don't think we are there today. I'm not saying I don't suppose Toby Young was saying that we are there today but we've got to make sure we have, there are some common values. I think Elon Musk is wrong and I think people who think anybody
Starting point is 00:20:23 who thinks we are there today, I think they're wrong. It's not anywhere near it at any point. any point? What, civil conflict in Britain, given, really, are things that bad? I don't think we'll go there, but I think... Toby Young seems to. Well, I don't think he's saying that. He said, well, I haven't read the piece, so...
Starting point is 00:20:40 Well, he's tweeting a link to an article which suggested it could be on the way. And I'm just saying to you that he's a conservative peer. He's got the conservative whip. There would have been a time, I think, not so long ago, where he'd lose the whip for posting something like that. That's sort of hysteria. I think it would be a big mistake not to confront some of the realities we have in our society.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Sure, you can do that and not predict civil conflict. I'm not sure he is doing that. And that's what I'm not what I'm predicting, but I do want to make sure we don't simply sweep these issues under the carpet. This tyranny from the MSM to brand anyone racist for asking questions that has caused, I believe, so much silence from our political leaders. And it is sick. As John James pointed out, since when was it part of British culture for train carriages to become abattoirs? Who are these British nationals? Who raised these British nationals?
Starting point is 00:21:31 Were they known into the security services? Were they released from prison early? Those poor passengers deserve better. Tommy Robinson added, Police now say there's only one suspect in Huntington mass train stabbing. So who was the other British-born suspect? They emphasised so much about why is there no footage from anyone released? It's all very smoke and mirrors again.
Starting point is 00:21:54 And despite shocking new stories of the fact we are literally important. 14 criminals, Lib Dem MP, Liz Jarvis, wrote, any politician trying to use last night's awful events to stoke hatred and division should be ashamed. That prompted Connor Tomlinson, a regular hearing outspoken to reply, we don't have to live like this, Liz. It isn't normal. The presence of these murderous savages in our country is optional. They were brought here by government policy and they can be expelled and kept out by government policy. Question is, why are you, you more worried about having that conversation than you are about law-abiding Brits being raped and killed every day on our streets by people who never needed to be here in the first place?
Starting point is 00:22:38 Advance UK leader Ben Habib posed the very fair question. So they ruled out terrorism without even knowing the identity of the attacker? And he added, we have the stab's name. We are told he is British and out of Caribbean descent. Apparently that is meant to quell our desire to know why he sought to kill innocent people on a train. We have been given no motive for the attack and no understanding of this man's beliefs as wretched as they are. We need chapter and verse on this barbarian.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Burnside added, having breathed a sigh of relief yesterday that the train attack was carried out by a British national, the government may be wondering if someone known to authorities who is linked to four knife attacks might show the state to be at fault in protecting the public. And Rob Boyd raged, the story everyone should be focusing on about Anthony Williams is how police bungled the chance to apprehend him after he stabbed someone on the DLR the previous day. The incompetence is priceless.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And indeed it is telling to me that it's only political leaders outside of Parliament, Habib and Nick Tenconi of UKIP, who have been prepared to pose the very difficult questions needed. I think the impression he was trying to give in that description was that those of us who were concerned about the assault on our country by illegal migrants and other criminals who shouldn't be here needn't be concerned that this is an entirely domestic British issue. But remember that after the killings in Southport, the brutal killings of those three young girls, Stama described the perpetrator as a Welshman. Stama indulged, in my view undoubtedly indulged, in deflection. He wanted to give exactly. the same impression that Lovelace has tried to give us this morning about the identity of these two men. Now, it's quite possible that they are, in every sense, British. But he didn't give us
Starting point is 00:24:36 their names. And I will remain extremely suspicious until we get chapter and verse on who these two people are. It's almost inconceivable in my mind that this wasn't an act of terrorism. Why would you needlessly pull out knives and seek to kill people, random people, on a train? If that isn't terrorism what the hell is if it's not terror related in the most heinous of crimes where two men have dressed in black block they've inserted themselves into a metal tube deliberately to slash and slay and to terrorize unarmed defenseless innocent civilians if it's not terror related then what's the explanation sign confessions and nothing else sign confessions with regards to the motivations for this attack. Nothing else will do. Here's a thought. If it's not terror-related, what is it to do with? Because if it's terror-related, we all know that links to ideology. That makes it terrorism. This is very dangerous. As soon as you remove the terrorism label, it can't be to do with ideology. That means you can't point it at any one direction, be that demographic, religion. Causality goes out the window.
Starting point is 00:25:55 and we're there losing our minds thinking, well, we're just surrounded by knife-wielding psychopaths and maniacs. The British public isn't buying it anymore. I'm not buying it anymore. We haven't for a very long time. These acts are so heinous, so callous. The only thing that matters now is causality. And I've seen different political leaders throw in their two cents about what needs to happen next. Order must be restored to Britain. The only way you, you can have order. Indeed, to restore it is to enforce it. The British government are making no noises whatsoever about what's going to change. You can't throw money at the problem. If it's ideologically related and therefore terrorism, this is something that has to be confronted and fought,
Starting point is 00:26:42 defeated, removed, eradicated, not just from our country, but from planet Earth. If it's ideological related, it's terrorism. If it's not, it's lone wolf stuff, mental health stuff. Do we really believe that? Do you know we haven't seen the Prime Minister, our hated Prime Minister at all, since this event? He still hasn't said a word about Wayne Broadhurst either. On the night itself, he managed this one post on X. The truly awful we're streeting, can you believe this? More interested as people were being massacred on a train in posting about strictly
Starting point is 00:27:24 come dancing. The Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said she was deeply saddened, but was much more concerned to warn, I urge people to avoid comment and speculation at this early stage. Stephen Barrett fumed in response, Shabana, don't you dare speculate hurty ideas about the mass stabber Mahmood must never be our Prime Minister. And Reform UK's Laila Cunningham added, I can't stop thinking about those victims, 10 beautiful lives, families and families. agony waiting to see if they pull through. I am devastated. We are a nation in mourning and Shabana's first instinct isn't fury, urgency or avow to catch them or make our train safe. Her priority is to silence us, to manage our reaction, not our safety. A train was turned into a war zone.
Starting point is 00:28:15 What's next? We are sitting ducks now. Our great nation is desperate for leaders that feel our fury, our fares, and are ruthlessly focused on keeping us safe. Instead, we have leaders who want us to shut up and die. And by the way, have you noticed that this point about don't speculate is also being wheeled out by the MSM? This was sly news. Initially, the police have said very, very clearly, has the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood is that it's important for people not to speculate. It's important that people don't start sharing images on social media and you may well have loved
Starting point is 00:28:55 ones who have been injured and then people are not, they've not been able to tell their loved ones and it would be terrible if people saw those images of people who are hurt or people who are distressed circulating on social media. If anybody has any information then please contact 101
Starting point is 00:29:11 or send it uploaded to Cambridge Police's website. Yes, that's a very important point to make. But there are doubts about the official narrative, one outspoken viewer wrote to me yesterday. I was working last night. I'm a train dispatcher at Cambridge and we were dealing with all the customers who were diverted to us. Some were shaken. The staff was shaken as we have friends who work on our NER. We were told a different
Starting point is 00:29:37 story from what the news and the police are now spinning. I know who to believe and it's not them. Now again, you're not going to hear about this in the MSN, but others were furious about the length of time it took for the train to stop, with Daniel, whose partner was on board, writing 20 whole minutes of slaughter. No stops, nothing, Peter Britta Huntington. Of course, there is also the elephant in the room that being British mourn doesn't mean you aren't a psychopath terrorist who wants to kill Brits. Here's the list of shame. Lee Rigby Killers, UK-born, Southport Stabber, UK-bomber, UK-bomber, 7-7 bombers, UK-born, 27-7-bombers, UK-born, 27-Westminster, attack UK-born, Manchester Arena Bomber, UK-born, 2019 London Bridge attack, UK-born, and it goes on.
Starting point is 00:30:27 The UK has a massive issue with violent second-generation immigrants. And Russell Quirk of Reform UK added, this has to be said. Just because the police tell us that the two Huntington attack is a British-born does not mean that they are not terrorists, nor does it mean they are not radicalised. Many multiple victim attacks in Britain, including terrorism, have been carried out. by people born here. More information is required before we are able to form a properly considered view on this atrocity. We will not be gassed again. But the problem is, as you well know, this is all about information control. Today in Parliament, even the Speaker,
Starting point is 00:31:06 Lindsay Hoyle, was saying, oh, you've got to be so careful not to prejudice the trial. They all hide behind our draconian contempt of court laws. And what they want to do is shut down the very real discussion that we know we need to have. And this isn't just because of the train attack, by the way. It's because of what happened to Wayne Broadhurst, stabbed to death by the illegal. Or at least allegedly stabbed to death by the illegal. Again, I've got to be careful because of contempt of court.
Starting point is 00:31:33 How ludicrous is that. We saw it with our own eyes on bloody camera. Constantine Kirsten of Trigonometry, credit to him because he was prepared to go there in a powerful viral post. I want to share it with you. Constantine wrote, I don't want thoughts and prayers. I don't want to hear about diversity being our greatest strength.
Starting point is 00:31:52 I don't want to know about communities coming together. I want every single foreign criminal out. I want the borders closed. I want extremist organisations banned. And I am saying it now before the facts are known for a reason. We may not know all the facts, but we do know one fact. British people don't go on stabbing sprees. They just don't.
Starting point is 00:32:13 The problem is imported. When I came to Britain in the mid-1990s, it was a safe, high-trust society. And I don't care if the suspects in this case end up being home-growing. Home-growing just means we should never have allowed their parents in. We may not be able to undo all the damage that's been done to our country, but we must immediately stop doing the things that got us here. End all illegal immigration now. tow the boats back to France
Starting point is 00:32:46 I don't care if the French get upset deport every single foreign criminal right now I don't care about their life right to a family life you threw your rights out the window when you decided to abuse our hospitality out
Starting point is 00:33:01 no benefits for foreign nationals if you want to come here pay your way ban extremist organisations like Muslim Brotherhood deport or imprison extremist preachers, British people have had enough. Look at the scenes from Birmingham at the weekend. Yo! Yo!
Starting point is 00:34:12 Donoie, that we're bang at the clock. Bang it, I bang it. One, bang it. I bang it. I bang it. Go on. Bang. I bang it, because I bang it.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Bown. I want more. This is not Britain. It must not be Britain. It all makes a mockery of Mahmood's boast about knife crime murders being down. As Peter Blessly put it, remember, remember the 1st of November, bloodshed, horror and plot. That date should serve as a watershed moment
Starting point is 00:35:06 when government and the police committed to robustly and relentlessly fight the scourge of knife crime. Question is, will they? Answer, of course they won't. They all have blood on their hands. Now, the superstar panel. Peter C. Barnes and Howard Cox with me. Howard Shabana Mahmood in the last half hour telling us, don't worry your pretty little heads.
Starting point is 00:35:40 You know, just let the police take. all the time in the world. We still know nothing about this man. He was trying to stab people for the 24 hours before he got on that train and the police did nothing, Howard Cox. Absolutely, Dan. And a beautiful introduction, mate.
Starting point is 00:35:58 I mean, a lot of the things are saying there I echoed also on social media. But listening to our home secretary not say anything and hide behind. And we're seeing it nonstop, aren't we, Dan, Peter? We're seeing the fact that government are covering up these. things to suit their agenda. They can't blame anything to do. We can't, you know, if we criticize him,
Starting point is 00:36:18 he's black, he's from Caribbean. We're immediately, we're called a racist. And I've been called that more and more now, especially as I've, you know, now part of, you know, they've left reformed part of the vast UK. The simple fact is this. If I hear another politician saying my thoughts and prayers is their first sentence, I'm going to put my fist through that television screen when I see it. I'm sick to death of these platitudes. And in my tweet immediately after, I said exactly that we need action and I actually said if you don't mind me saying do your fucking job. Totally.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Absolutely. No, we need it but Peter C. Barnes it clearly wasn't done because it looks like and of course we are unfortunately constrained by these ludicrous contempt of court laws but I mean what we can say is the Cambridgeshire police have had
Starting point is 00:37:04 to report themselves because by all accounts there were multiple opportunities missed with this absolute lunatic. I mean, look at the footage from the barbers and the barbers reported him to the police. Well, is anybody surprised? I generally am not surprised anymore.
Starting point is 00:37:25 That's half of the problem. I thought that was a brilliant introduction, Dan. I really do. But, you know, we're told to give the police time, let them investigate. I wouldn't remind people there's currently 22 inquiries, statutory or non-stitory inquiries going on at the moment. 22?
Starting point is 00:37:39 How much longer do we have to wait? The idea of let them investigate is a kind of political tool to say, we don't know what to say, we need some more time to think of an excuse for our own failure. That's what it is. But more importantly, when they do have these investigations, I look at the whole Jonathan Hall's investigation into the terrorism legislation after Southport. It says very clearly in that that prevent and the authorities need to move away from thinking in terms of ideology and thinking in terms of violence.
Starting point is 00:38:07 And that is how we should start to reclassify things. and it was ignored. That was a report this year. So they could do all their investigations, but then they don't follow through on anything. That's part of the big problem is that we can do whatever, all these inquiries and all the investigations,
Starting point is 00:38:22 but you don't follow through. You don't back it up. That's my problem with every bit of the political establishment at the minute. They talk a good game, but when they have to actually do something, they're not even in the room, let alone behind a wheel,
Starting point is 00:38:35 have a car to get us anywhere, because this is the point. We are so at the point. threat. Over the last couple of days, I've got a little tired of people say this is a peaceful country. It isn't and it hasn't been for a long time. The rise in serious crime has gone through the roof. The rise in terror-related offences since 2017 is astronomical. Astronomical. And most of that, I hate to break it to people, is young, radicalised youth. Radicalization is the problem. And the government is not in control of it. 100%. And critically, what I think we have to speak about
Starting point is 00:39:09 Howard Cox is the fact that these people do have different cultural norms, even if they are British born. And that is proven time and again. So in this case, Howard, it's simply not enough to say that this guy is a British national who happens to be black. That is not enough, Howard. Unfortunately, I need to know where his parents are from, when they came to this country, what were the circumstances behind the way that he was raised? Those questions all matter. We've seen that very recently held with Jihad al-Shami, who is the ISIS terrorist who attacked the synagogue in Manchester.
Starting point is 00:39:52 And again, he came here in 2004, but was clearly radicalized while here. So the fact that Sly News says we shouldn't even know the ethnicity of the attacker is ludicrous to me, because I actually think we need to know much, much more about this man's background. Absolutely spot on. We've been invaded by cultures that just do not respect decency, culture, Christian values, all those sorts of things.
Starting point is 00:40:20 They are coming here and we're being inflicting on this. And one of the things I'd like to see is a true definition of what terrorism is. Because, you know, as you know, I'm going to Tommy's verdict tomorrow and, you know, he's being charged under the terrorism act for driving a car over to Spain and also recently, obviously, previously to that, for not giving his password to his phone
Starting point is 00:40:40 under the Terrorism Act. What was yesterday but an act of terrorism? It doesn't matter if it's a lone wolf. People were terrorised. In a situation, when you get this mass stabbing type situation, it has to be terrorism. And these people are coming from overseas, as you quite rightly see,
Starting point is 00:40:56 or maybe second or third generation, but their culture is being passed down and it's inflicted and being implemented into our lives, and all our families. But I've got a daughter that's worried sick about going out at night. We're in a situation at the moment in time where we must have stop and search and make sure we get these people.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Let's go back to that and catch the criminals and put police back on the street. Indeed. And Howard is very right to point out the Tommy Robinson trial verdict on these ludicrous terror charges is coming tomorrow morning. The best place to find out exactly what is going on
Starting point is 00:41:32 from court is right here on outspoken. We will be live with you from 9.30 a.m. Calls for the death penalty to be reintroduced and for women to be able to carry pepper spray after the horrifying events on that train from hell over the weekend. As my friend Colin Brazier writes that a deep gloom is descending over Britain, one atrocity. at a time. He writes events which rock us to our foundations, leave us unsure of our footing, fearful of what comes next, a sort of dark epiphany. Everyone will have their own. For me, it was the hideous murder of Lee Rigby, a British soldier, slaughtered, not fighting in some corner of a foreign field, but by deranged Islamists here on the streets of England.
Starting point is 00:42:26 But sad to say it might be any number of other atrocities, 7-7, Axel Ruder-Cabana, the Manchester arena bombing. We each will have our own. What is extraordinary at the moment is how we are becoming inured to horror. I do not say that vile attacks on our way of life have become normalized, but simply that their share frequency and volume makes some desensitization inevitable. As I started writing this piece, for instance, the court sentenced to Somalian to life in prison for stabbing a random Britain to death at a high street bank in Derby. There is a mountain sense that whether it's acts of terror or criminal savagery committed by illegal migrants owls as a nation on the edge of a precipice. The thing about an abyss is that we have no
Starting point is 00:43:14 idea where the bottom lies. Will we look back on these days as harbingers of a greater doom, even full-scale civil conflict, or a blip before good sense is made to prevail again? But of course, lots of folks saying what's so shocking is that these incidents are just moved on from so quickly, especially by the MSM. Wayne Broadhurst, they didn't even bother to talk about his slain by an Afghan illegal in Parliament at all. And as Dr. Philip Kisali wrote, after the weekend's incident, there was a time when an incident like this would have been in the news for weeks.
Starting point is 00:43:55 But something equally brutal will happen tomorrow or on Monday. My country isn't my country anymore. is unhinged. The street's unsafe. If you're out and about all the time on trains in London, you just feel like you're waiting your turn. Mugging, assault, stabbing, whatever. It never used to be like this. We were civilised. And what was fascinating was to see this caller on talk this morning actually put the point to a very scared Richard Tyson, Jeremy Kyle, who said absolutely not that Brits deserve to be armed given that we are facing these types of atrocities watch.
Starting point is 00:44:35 I think now is the time that the great British public are allowed to arm themselves now. There's that many psychopaths with knives running around perverts and all sorts. Then we have to do something. We just can't sit there and wait for this stuff to happen to us. I mean, I'm all for legalising firearms. I know it's not going to be a popular decision, but we're going to be able to do something apart from just sit there and just wait to It's really interesting, Richard, because Sean, I don't agree with him in that instance,
Starting point is 00:45:06 but I will say one thing that I picked up in the last hour and a half is a real fear. I told the story of my son last night going back to London, 630 train, rang me after 20 minutes, a drunken man in his 20s was having a go at him, and I said get off the train. There will be people today, tonight, tomorrow, and for the next few weeks who will be sat on trains looking over their shoulder. And it's an absolute disgrace that we've got to this point, isn't it? I don't agree with Sean either, but there is a fear and we must pay tribute to the heroism which we actually hear about so often of just decent, ordinary British folk.
Starting point is 00:45:44 And the stories we're hearing of the LNER person who is, we believe, in a life-threatening condition who clearly saved lives. Truly, truly remarkable. The fast decisions of the driver. and we pay tribute to them and hope that that everyone survives, of course. With regard to knife crime, we know that stop and search works.
Starting point is 00:46:11 The evidence is crystal clear. Once again, the lefties are trying to deny it, but it's all there. Well, I'm not one of those people who's going to say, no, no, no, we can't be armed because seriously this country is changing and our enemies are armed.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Alex Phillips posts on this if we are going to continue to have psychosis-inducing drugs on our streets and a two-tier approach to policing them, if we are going to import men from misogynistic cultures who pose a danger to women and girls, if we are going to see a continued frenzy of phone snatching, stabbings and muggings as part of organised crime, largely corralled by foreign gangs,
Starting point is 00:46:46 if this government is going to continue to do nothing about cracking down on both possession and open borders due to perilous wokeery. And if the police continue to insist on wasting time patrolling social media on our streets, then we need to legalise pepper spray. So Fika Corrin argued that in the UK you can be sentenced for up to 10 years for carry, not even using, just carrying pepper spray.
Starting point is 00:47:09 And Samantha Markle, my friend, added, the ability to defend oneself using at least pepper spray to potentially save their lives is a no-brainer. The government is complicit in these attacks if they don't allow victims some protection. These offenders have to be stopped. Enabling this victim rate is a human rights violation. And Charlotte Gill added, if politicians, won't protect us from rapists and murderers. What are we meant to do?
Starting point is 00:47:30 We're not even allowed to carry pepper spray. How is this okay when politicians keep defunding the police? We need to protect ourselves if the state won't. Howard Cox, I'm sorry, at an absolute minimum, women need to be allowed to carry pepper spray. Absolutely right. My wife has been crying out for this for a long time. There are other things she could carry a can of deep heat around with her
Starting point is 00:47:53 or something like that. That's legal. The point is... Sensible. well it is and the point is dan the thing is our young women and our wives and our loved ones need to have some sort of defence to stop potentially what could happen to them i mean if i was on that train i don't know what i would be doing i mean i had a set of crutches you know because i had a hip operation a few years back i was wondering if i was carrying on a train like that would i have gone
Starting point is 00:48:20 up there and whack the guy around the head with it yes i would and that's what i would have done But the point is there's no way a woman, and especially one, a disabled woman, an older woman, etc., can never defend herself unless she's got something in her handbag that she can get out and spray in the person's face. It may be only a temporary measure, but pepper spray isn't a permanent disabling device. It lasts for about two or three minutes, that's all. But that's time to pull the communication call and get off the train. Yeah, I mean, Peter C. Barnes, when I was in Florida last year, the moment I arrived, my friends, give you. did me some paper spray. It was great. It felt very, very safe having it. Google, do you know, is there any way I could bring this back into the United Kingdom? Absolutely not. We're unarmed.
Starting point is 00:49:05 We are sitting ducks, Peter. Yeah, I thought the caller in the talk clip made the point that we just sit and wait to die. But unfortunately, I agree with everything that's been said, but let's be real. The only thing that's going to happen here is more clamped down on our freedoms. You wait for it. The excuse of digital ID, although we could have known where he was if we had digital. ID. We could, if we knew more where you were, if we know more about innocent people, the normal everyday taxpayer, we can keep you safe. That will be the narrative that you're going to hear, and it is terrifying. These moments are becoming far too common, and I think we are getting a little too used to them, I have to admit, but they are being used and weaponized against
Starting point is 00:49:47 the state, and they're, sorry, against the people, because the state doesn't want to do what's necessary. It will never allow us to be armed and it'll never allow us to even the thing of pepper spray. Because as we know, once it's pepper spray that it's a little bit more, it's a little bit more, a little bit more. The one thing they know is how to protect themselves, not how to protect us. And that is the big problem. Yeah, I'm just looking at the live chat. Dionysus Greek Gog said there's a new legal spray that sprays blue dye instead of pepper. It stays on the skin and clothes for a week, which is good in terms of identifying people. But it wouldn't help in that It's the same that's in the DiPax.
Starting point is 00:50:23 It's the DiPax stuff that's in when they move cash and things like that. It's that I've heard this one and it's been tested and it's going through all the checks and everything. I think there's some hope in that. But again, it is why on earth are we having to talk about defending ourselves and ways to protect ourselves? That's my point. Why on earth is that the conversation and not who's getting fired? Exactly. But until these mass deportations and remigration, unfortunately, we are going to have to think about that.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Now, what about Rupert Lowe's cause? He's written to the Prime Minister about this, and he has said, now is the time to restore the ultimate deterrent, the death penalty, Howard. Well, it's interesting. When you've got unequivocal evidence that you've seen someone slashing children or stabbing people on the train,
Starting point is 00:51:13 there's no excuse for say that, look, thank you very much for being on the planet. We don't need you anymore. Here's an injection, bye, bye. I'm sorry, I've got no problem with that. It's where there is doubt that you can't have the death penalty. And that's the one that I always will support. We've got to make sure we've got to trust our judicial system.
Starting point is 00:51:31 But we can't trust, as Peter just said, our judicial system, we can't trust at the moment in time. So, Rupert, obviously I know Rupert very, very well. And Rupert, you know, I'm not so he's shooting from the hit here, but he is actually echoing the sentiment of millions of people at the moment who's saying, how do we get rid of these scumbags that are causing these things, these problems for all of us and continuing to. As you say, next week there'll be another incident.
Starting point is 00:51:54 We know that. We've already seen the one in Peterborough. We've seen one in Favisham. All these sorts of things. And shouting, Alec Akbar, was one in Favish, I understand, yesterday. What are the police doing? Instead, they're still policing social media. They're still blocking people, and that sort of knocking on doors with three people,
Starting point is 00:52:10 knocking on the door and saying, we've just seen your Facebook post. You can't say that. All that bullshit is still going on. And instead, we've got to get them out of it. their desks and obviously increase a number of police, but make them visible and part of the community and find out what the hell was going on and not be scared to go into places where at the moment they refuse to go. Yeah, I mean, Peter C. Buns, look, I totally understand that the death penalty is not appropriate, for example, in the case of Lucy Lettby. Now, I don't want to go down
Starting point is 00:52:41 that rabbit hole. I've previously done so on this show, and I urge people to go and watch those videos because I believe Lucy Lettby is an innocent woman and I know a lot of people disagree with that. However, let's talk about Wayne Broadhurst for a moment. Let's not talk about the person alleged to have committed that crime because of the draconian contempt of court laws. But what we can say, Peter, is we witnessed it. We literally witnessed his death. It is on video. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind. Let me be careful how I phrase this. But that there is going to be problems with the evidence in that case. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me, and like you, I'm waiting for that in particular line,
Starting point is 00:53:25 the problems of the evidence. But what I will say is I've always been against the death penalty for one simple reason. I'm not giving the right to kill people, potentially maybe one day myself, who knows, to the most incompetent and corrupt group of people I've ever seen in my entire life. I don't understand the argument that we think they're awful, we think they're terrible. So do you know what we might do? give them the right to killers. We've already seen, as we've seen in the past and in evidence,
Starting point is 00:53:50 of manipulation, of police corruption, and all this stuff. I will never support that because I don't trust people, particularly those in authority in the British state. And I'm sorry, I understand the anger and the fear I get. I even told my partner on Sunday to stay at home and don't leave while I was out, because I know how these incidences tend to play out. And it's never just a one-off.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Thank God this was. but what I will say is this fear isn't going away and you can't just tell people to shut up. The government and the kind of establishment had this idea that the problem is us talking about it, not the people running around with the knife. Now, I get Rupert's idea and I understand the anger and all of that. I think Rupert's very more in line with the public
Starting point is 00:54:33 than the government are, certainly are. But I would say that we need to channel that energy and that anger into actually finding out why these instances are happening, who's responsible, kick them out and get somebody in the job who's willing to do what's necessary. My big thing has always been about accountability
Starting point is 00:54:49 and now we have to start demanding it. Breaking right now, friends of Mike Graham, the Axt Talk TV host, tell me that he has now accepted that his departure from the station is inevitable. That comes as News UK bosses, trial a loose women's star
Starting point is 00:55:14 and a columnist at the son, Jane Moore, to replace Mike as the big name on tour. Not sure if that's the answer. Loyal viewers are looking for. Kevin O'Sullivan hosted Plank of the Week again on the weekend. He did refer to his close friend in the introduction watch. To Plank of the Week, I'm Kevin O'Sullivan. I'm standing in for my good friend, Mike Graham,
Starting point is 00:55:44 and I've got a great panel for you this week. But the numbers don't lie. The boycott of Plank of the Week is continuing with about a third of the viewers to what Mike Graham's episodes were previously receiving. When Jeremy Kyle returned from his 10, day holiday this morning, hosting Mike's show Morning Glory, there was no mention of the man.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Hey, very, very good morning, so welcome to Morning Glory. It is Monday, it's Jay K and the controls until 10 o'clock, you lucky people. Let me have you had a good weekend. So much in the new. And on Wednesday, Jane Moore will be trialed on talk radio. in the 10 a.m. slot in place of Julia Hartley Brewer, in what Talk Insiders tell me is a move by News UK chief executive Rebecca Brooks to introduce a new big name to the channel. So this is a really interesting one. All of this going on at the time that Mike Graham seems to have accepted that his departure is now inevitable because he is still, and I do not blame him for this for one second, refusing to hand his phone over to News UK HR investigators to my
Starting point is 00:57:18 superstar panel, Peter C. Barnes and Howard Cox. Howard, do you think it's fair the way that Mike Graham has been treated? And what about the viewers of Talk TV, by the way, who are having to go through exactly what viewers of GB News went through with me when it's like, oh, just forget about that guy. Let's just pretend this isn't happening. Well, Dan, when you left, I mean, I actually left that slot. I used to watch you regularly. So take it on the chin that you were bloody worth watching. And the same with Mike Graham.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Mike Graham is actually made. He's probably the most popular person on there. Oh, he is, by far. Yeah. And what he said may have been clumsy, what he said, but you don't treat people like this at all. And the fact is to use, you know, news UK, news international, you know, stable, like they can move people around because obviously Jane Moore writes for the son regularly and that sort
Starting point is 00:58:14 of thing. So they can move people that they're very fond of into best places. But Mike Graham has been treated badly in my opinion. I'm still in touch with him and, you know, and I'm wishing him well. He seems to be in quite high spirit, so I'm told. But unfortunately, I'd like to see him come back and say, look, this is ridiculous. He did say a strong thing and all he's got to do is sit in front of the camera. Yeah, I was a bit wrong with the way I said it, etc. But mind you, He's saying he didn't say that. He was hacked, didn't he? So from that point of view, I'd love to see Mike coming back.
Starting point is 00:58:44 He became a friend. In fact, Wednesday week, I'm actually on Plank. I've been invited on the Plank. So that'd be interesting. Yeah, it's a really interesting one, Howard, because when it comes to the post itself, I have heard from quite a lot of people within talk who say that would be the best approach for Mike
Starting point is 00:59:05 to actually just be honest about it. Yep. I said it. And again, I don't know. Of course, I don't know. I trust Mike. If he says he was hacked, he was hacked. Do you know what I mean? But in some ways, there is an argument to say, actually, maybe just take the hostage video apology back. Yeah, you did post this. It maybe wasn't artfully phrased. But I think we all understood Howard, what Mike or whoever was posting on that account was trying to say, which is that unrestrained mass immigration. has caused massive cultural issues in the United Kingdom. And I'm sorry, the events of the last two weeks proved that. Well, yesterday I actually did have, I spoke at an event in Croydon. There was about 30 or 40 people that I was speaking to. And I was asked a question, has multiculturalism worked? And I category said, no, it hasn't.
Starting point is 00:59:59 So, okay, I didn't swear about it, but I was quite strong about it. Should I be arrested and thrown out? Should I be cancelled? You name it then. What we're saying now at the moment, we're not. allowed to be free him. Peter, I think would back me up on that. Yeah, Peter, you're obviously a regular on talk. So in some ways, this might put you in an awkward position. But what, what's your view on this situation with Mike Graham? And how are people feeling about a
Starting point is 01:00:24 station? Yeah. So I, yeah, I owe a lot to talk. I think it's one of the best stations. I appear on. I'm a freelancer. I'm not paid. Like, you know, I'm not under contract with them or that kind of thing. But my big thing has always been what's good for the station, what's good for the network, because what we need is narratives like come out of talk, like come out of you, Dan and Howard, all the work you do in the mainstream, in the public consciousness. And I think that's really important that we support channels, no matter what, to make sure that they exist. What I don't particularly like is this kind of pile on to other presenters and people that have appeared on the station consistently saying, oh, it's a betrayal of Mike and it's this and it's
Starting point is 01:01:04 that these people at talk, I tell you now, if I was ever backed into a corner and I needed some help, I hope they would be stood behind me because they are some of the most impressive journalists and commentators and they know so much and they react to pretty much everything and they put the viewer first. I genuinely do believe that. Of everything I go on, they rearrange entire shows on the fly to make sure that, you know, callers and texts and messages and all of this actually heard. And I think that's important. When it comes to the internal stuff. I'm not part of Net News UK. I don't really have that big of an opinion on it. I get what, I get both sides of the argument. And some people may see that as a cop-out, but genuinely,
Starting point is 01:01:41 my often rule on these things is if it's nothing to do with you, stay out of it. But I will say that I know a lot of people miss Mike and a lot of people have a huge amount of respect for him, myself included. But, you know, maybe this Jane Moore might be good. I've read a columns a couple of times, but I haven't seen her on loose women. But things do change. Things have to change at times. And we've just got to give things as much kind of leeway as we can. We must stay firm on the issues of free speech. How would you all bang on that we self-censure, that we have huge problems with clamping down on free speech and all the rest of it? But I don't believe the answer is cutting a network that dedicates itself and the people in it, like Kevin O'Sullivan,
Starting point is 01:02:21 who I count as a friend and a mentor, puts his reputation on the line every single night to talk about these issues that we think are really important. Every single person there puts their reputation, their livelihood, and their careers on the line to talk about these things. Julia Harley-Bruer was that controversial to the government. She was on a watch list and she got the government to bend to her and apologize. That's how powerful these people are. And when they put their minds to something, I'll tell you now, they could bring down governments and they probably will bring down this one, luckily.
Starting point is 01:02:51 But yes, they might get things wrong. They're not perfect. They're people. But, yeah, I have to admit, there's a lot going on. And it's just all in flux. and, you know, it's, again, this might get me into a lot of trouble, but I've done my best, but there we go. No, it is difficult, and it's very difficult for people who obviously are regulars on the station.
Starting point is 01:03:09 I do understand that. My view on this is nuanced as well, because obviously I'm affectionate about talk. I was the drive time presenter there before I went to GB News. But I guess, Howard, my view is shaped a little bit based on what happened to me at GB. and I feel it's pretty similar to what Mike is going through now. I mean, you could have honestly cut Mike Graham open, you know, and he would bleed talk TV. He sort of was the station, right? He adored it.
Starting point is 01:03:38 That's how I felt in terms of my relationship with DB News. And if you have a person like that and you don't tell the viewers and the listeners what's really going on, I understand why they're so upset because we all know this is going on. on. At the same time, Howard, I have spoken to very senior people at Talk who say, look, this is a process. It is a formal process. It is a legal process. It is an HR process. And do you want to lose us all? Do you want us all to lose our jobs? Do you want to lose the whole station? And I guess, Howard, probably we would say Tor is a not perfect station, but it's still a force for good compared to most of the mainstream media in the United Kingdom. Well, as you're quite
Starting point is 01:04:26 rightly put. I mean, G.B. News and Talk TV actually held hope for me in terms of actually truly representing the majority of thinking of this country. And thank heavens, we've got, you know, independent channels like yourself and Maya Toosie and Paul Thorpe, you can go on forever. These people are actually giving airways to various people. Unfortunately, one of the things I feel bit bitter about at the moment, I haven't been banned from Talk TV or GB News as yet, because I'm still talking about the motorists in Fairfield, UK. But Ben Habib, and to some extent, Rupert low, are not actually, you know, you know, went as soon as... And Ben Habibis set up the party on June the 30th, the Advanced UK Party.
Starting point is 01:05:08 And before that, he was on three times a week, the GB News. And since then, he hasn't been gone back. Now, that must be cancellation. And who's making those decisions? I know. And he was one of the most popular guests. I don't like that. See, that's something I don't like.
Starting point is 01:05:21 I do feel, Peter. And look, I know you're not one of these people, because you have... actually spoken up against Reform U.K. You know, you've been very critical of them. But you have to admit, Peter, there is an alliance between GB News and Talk TV with Reform UK, which does mean if you are critical of Reform U.K. or you support Tommy Robinson, for example, or you support Advance U.K., you are much less likely to be booked on those stations now. And I think that does go against free speech. Yeah, I can see the pattern
Starting point is 01:05:57 And I can understand why people think that Again, I don't book people I have no real say in any of it But I will say that, you know, I'm a prominent critic of reform And I'm on both talk and GB News pretty regularly I was there just on Saturday I was there on talk with Rupert Lowe
Starting point is 01:06:11 On the Sunday. So, you know, we have to be careful when, you know, we start talking about conspiracies and collusions and all the rest of it Well, let's sure we get some evidence before we start, you know, everything out of accusations. You are a brilliant exception to the rule,
Starting point is 01:06:22 Peter C. Thubbs. And look, I do always say, I do always say, and I really have to stress this, there are still some great people on talk. There are still some great people on GB News. The problem is they are controlled a lot. And again, what my message is to Mike Graham is just come over to this side, Mike. You're going to love it. You're going to absolutely love it because this is going to be so freeing for you. And in the same way that it was so freeing for Megan Kelly in the US and Tucker Carlson in the US, it's been so. freeing for me and genuinely, I think, and that's not to say I agree with Mike on everything, and I know that there are people who are very angry about Mike's views, about Tommy Robinson,
Starting point is 01:07:02 for example, but I honestly think in this space, in this independent space, Mike will be able to explore these ideas in an honest way. And I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind on a couple of those issues too. But of course, we will keep across the story because no one in the mainstream media is covering it at all. I wasn't. I wonder why. Breaking today, Prince Harry has just declared war on his brother, Prince William, yet again. Does this man have a death wish? Like, seriously, mate, William is going to strip your titles, strip your children's titles, and make sure that your beloved, Ms. Megan Markle, is unable to cash in on her Duchess of Sussex title. If you were not very, very careful, so these types of stunts are not a good idea. Let me explain to you what has just emerged. Prince William arrived in Brazil for his Earthshot Prize. Now, this has been signposted literally for months.
Starting point is 01:08:05 It is the biggest moment of William's year. It matters hugely to him. And let's be honest, after the terrible publicity that the British royal family has suffered internationally over the past couple of months, especially the past fortnight, because of Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor and his fall from great. what we need is some good international publicity for Prince William. But check this out. Despite having promised to swap diaries with his father
Starting point is 01:08:36 in order to coordinate no major clashes between Harry's events and Prince William, he has scheduled a last-minute trip to Canada in order to take the attention away from Prince William's big event. This is a ludicrous decision, a childish decision, and William is going to be utterly ropeable. His friends, actually, already briefing to Tom Sykes of the Royalist substack. Let me just take you through this. He writes, Harry reignites war with William, blinds signing his brother with announcement of a Toronto trip. And he says that it will clash directly with the Prince of Wales Earth Shop Prize events in Rio Gigenero on Wednesday.
Starting point is 01:09:21 The announcement issued by Harry's team just as William touched down in Brazil for the Environmental Awards' fifth iteration and the COP 30 buildup immediately raised tempers among William's friends. Harry will travel to Toronto to support the Military Veterans Charity Chew Patriot Love Foundation undertaking engagements on Wednesday and Thursday. His team insisted the King's office was notified as a courtesy. Still, the timing appears calculated to provoke William who will be handing out the Earthshot Prize that day. as speculation intensifies that the Wales camp plan to strip Harry Megan and their children of their princely titles when William becomes king. Harry's disingenes a stage of public event during the traditional remembrance period will strike many observers as needlessly antagonistic.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Until now, the Duke was thought to be rebuilding relations with his father. Sources say Charles and Harry have resumed regular phone calls since their brief tea and talk meeting in London in September. It was widely expected that Harry would avoid overshadowing Remembrance Sunday on November the night and perhaps wait until Armist Day on November 11th, make his own gesture. Instead, he has triggered a fresh optics war. His team denies any attempt to overshadow Williams Rio Showcase featuring Kylie Minogan attended by global political leaders, but blame the late announcement on Harry's lack of international protected person status
Starting point is 01:10:35 and ongoing security disputes. That explanation is unlikely to convince William when placed beside William's glittering earthshot Jambria charity dinner in Toronto risk looking modest. To many inside and outside the Royal Machine, Harry will appear motivated by resentment and a desire for revenge rather than respect for the remembrance calendar. If so, it is a miscalculation and a reminder that the brothers ceasefire remains anything but secure. And the reason why William needed this good publicity, of course, is because even Donald Trump is describing the current situation with the royal family. Remember, he's a big fan of Charles and William as tragic. Watch. in the UK has had his royal titles stripped away because of the Epstein Scallon.
Starting point is 01:11:24 I know you're close to the Royal Family there. Do you have any thoughts on... I feel very badly. I mean, it's a terrible thing that's happened to the family. That's been a tragic situation. And it's too bad. I mean, I feel badly for the family. To my superstar panel, Howard Cox and Peter C. Bans. Peter, can you believe Prince Harry? has done this? Like, isn't it just time to grow up and stop constantly trying to overshadow and destroy your brother? Also, Peter, it's not sensible for him for him on a strategic point
Starting point is 01:12:00 of view because William is not going to have any of this very soon. Their titles are going to be gone. Trust me. Yeah, on the issue, can I believe it? Well, of course I can. It's Prince Harry and he's not the smartest kid in the room, is he? I mean, you know, I've met chocolate teapots are more use than him. But, I mean, it's rather ridiculous, if we're being honest. But again, it's just no surprise. He's a narcissist and he's a child and he's never been told no. And then he conceives every chance of he's been, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:24 that he might be in the wrong as completely impossible. And there we are. You can't deal with these people. You know, you shouldn't negotiate with a terrorist. You shouldn't negotiate with a, you know, with a prince who's been told no. That seems to be the rule here because, of course, he was going to always do this. It's in his nature to do it. He has a, he's got a chip on his shoulder.
Starting point is 01:12:42 And, I mean, you might as well. you know, get some Doritos and use it as a salsa dip. It's rather ridiculous but there we are. I have to admit, Will is going to definitely take all steps necessary because I think actually stripping Andrew was William's idea. I don't believe it was the king's
Starting point is 01:12:57 idea in the site. Because if it was, he'd have done it a while ago. I think, you know, you can have the arguments that he's waited and waited. I think William wanted rid of him and he wants to sit and him nowhere near the Windsor Estate for when he becomes king. I think this was a kind, this was a moment and a difference between Will and Charles, because I think William's got that edge.
Starting point is 01:13:18 He's got that rough edged and that sharp edge to be able to go, no, no, no, this is bigger than the family. This is about the future and the legacy of the royal family. And he gets that. I think Charles is a little too soft on this. Of course, what I think Donald Trump hit the point very well there. He says, it's a tragedy for the family. We forget that the royal family are a family and they have disputes like everybody else. Unfortunately, there's a significantly bigger and on the front pages, but they are, it is always sad to see brothers at war. It always is. It is, but I mean, Howard, given Harry, continues to act this way, despite warnings. I mean, he promised King Charles in that meeting that he wasn't going to deploy these stunts anymore.
Starting point is 01:14:00 And here's Williams big event, and he's done it yet again. I mean, Howard, my personal view is that King Charles should not wait another day. I am actually becoming increasing furious that he's not learning the lesson from history when it comes to Andrew and actually just saying now is the time to also strip Harry, Megan, Archie and Lily of these titles. But what do you make of this decision for Harry to be so egregiously aggressive in terms of his counter-programming of William's big event? Well, I call it the rattle out of the Pram syndrome. You know, this is a classic case.
Starting point is 01:14:35 He lacks intelligence. He lacks maturity. We've said all these things. He isn't the sharpest cookie in the box. And he didn't get his own way. he thought, you know, what he did, getting the grand ceremony, marrying, you know, this American lady. You know, good luck to her. You know, it went, well, we all loved her, didn't we, at the time, when they got married?
Starting point is 01:14:53 We thought this is great. But then they went to their heads. And as far as I'm concerned, the sooner that William and Kate become king and queen properly, and the current king and Camilla moved aside, a bit like in the situation that we had with the queen mother, when our beloved queen reign, she was a good advisor. But I think William, in my opinion, is a great advert for this country.
Starting point is 01:15:18 And I'd love to see him actually being the king of this country. He presents himself well. I'm worried about our king at the moment. He's not well. I understand you quite well. I speak to Arthur Edwards quite a lot. And he's the photographer. And he tells me that he's not well.
Starting point is 01:15:32 I mean, I don't know how bad he is, but I understand it's more serious than we think. And, you know, someone like King Charles at the moment, You see, I don't think he's speaking up for Britain as enough. He's the head of the Church of England, and he's not actually shouting from the top that our Christian values should be, you know, taking over and leading the fight against multiculturalism.
Starting point is 01:15:51 He's not doing that. They say he mustn't step in politically, but he's quite happy to go to a mosque and take his shoes off and pray with them. Yeah, quite a lot of people are now concerned that the king, and I mean, I say quite a lot of people, Howard, I'm one of them, you're one of them, concerned that it feels like the king sometimes actually wants to promote Islam more than
Starting point is 01:16:13 he promotes Christianity, which is a very, very bizarre position for the head of the Church of England. Peter, I just wanted to come back to what you were saying about this very much being a decision driven by William, because that has been my reporting for a long time. But what's so interesting is that you have these client journalists, right? And they literally just swallow hook, line, and sinker, whatever PR bollocks, basically, they are fed by Buckingham Palace. And when I launched outspoken, actually, one of the things I said is that, because I break a lot of royal news, but I don't just follow what the Royal Road to do. But I was so embarrassed about that awful Emily Maitlis on the fake news agents, right? Because she actually did a genuine report last week, a correct report, which was basically what you were just saying, Peter, that this had all been very.
Starting point is 01:17:02 very much driven by William, clearly gets a phone call from Buckingham Palace, right? I can just tell by what she's saying and the quotes. And all of a sudden, she does a total 180 on her initial report. So I want to play you this from the fake newsaget and then get your reaction off the back, watch. Something, to be honest, that I had not properly understood. And I think many in the media had not properly understood was that Prince William was not actually the one driving this. We'd all understood that the real sort of heft of this move came from Prince William. I was told last night that it is Prince William, actually, who's
Starting point is 01:17:42 most concerned about the state of his uncle's mental health, something that he takes very seriously. His work, Kate's work has been very close to the issues of mental health. And I was also told that there was a bit of discomfort. Maybe that's too strong. There was a bit of nervousness from the siblings, from Prince Edward, from Princess Anne, who didn't want their eldest brother to go too hard on their other brother, Andrew. But it was the king himself who had nerves of steel. And again, contrary to what we read in the newspapers, I heard that originally there was extremely strong pushback from Andrew, who was trying to find every means and every reasons he could to resist this. And when I asked last night what brought Andrew
Starting point is 01:18:32 around, I was told that the monarch had simply made him see the ultimate threat. In other words, and this is a phrase that was used to me, I don't think it's that the words that the king used, you'll topple us all. In other words, Andrew did not want that on his shoulders. The idea was that the king had put to him something in the tenor of. of would your mother really want to see you putting at risk the whole establishment? So, Peter Van's one call from Buckingham Palace, and it's like, this was all down to the king. It's like, that's just not true, because the king allowed Andrew to release that statement two weeks ago, saying that he had voluntarily given up the Duke of York title, and the king thought that that was going to be enough.
Starting point is 01:19:18 It was William who had to step in and go much further, and it just frustrates me that she's so, You know, she's such an establishment shill. One phone call gets her to reverse all of her reporting, which actually had previously been accurate. And I'm not going to reverse my reporting because of one phone call from Buckingham Palace because we've just got to report the truth. I mean, I've seen some stupid things said. That has to be from that woman, the most stupid thing I've ever seen said.
Starting point is 01:19:47 It was just ridiculous. How stupid does she think we are? I mean, that's the contemptible. She thinks she can say it and no one's going to call her out. on it. Of course, William has led this. He has, he's got that edge. He's got the hardened bit where he's actually, you know, Andrew doesn't care about anybody but Andrew. You know, that's all, that's what history shows us. He's given opportunities to put country first, to do things for his mother, you know, and he's let him down every single time. So why would it be any different
Starting point is 01:20:11 this time? It's that's just a stupid thing to say. Of course this was William. And he's all about the fact that I think he's, William has got the eye of royalty and monarchy better than Charles. And I go back to what Howard would say about how people are, if they want the king to speak out more, it's mainly because Charles doesn't understand how to be king. He's trying to be liked, not lead. That's the problem. We have a problem in this country. All of it can be stemmed because we have no leaders. We have people that want to be liked by people. And I think the king is a prime example. And William understands leadership, probably better than his father does. And that surprises me, but I have to admit, I think William,
Starting point is 01:20:53 It will be a great ambassador for this country. I think we're desperate for it. I think the royal family needed. But if that's Buckingham Palace's way of trying to elbow in on a news story, they need a new press advisor because that was pathetic. Well, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because there was more briefing over the weekend to the Sunday Times. Again, this was from Buckingham Palace trying to make Charles look as if this was really his doing.
Starting point is 01:21:22 and friends of the king pointed to the line in Charles's statement, these censures are deemed necessary, notwithstanding the fact that he continues to deny the allegations against him. And one friend said, that was extraordinary. That's the closest you'll get to the king and his court passing judgment on his brother. They also said that for a long time, Prince Andrew had removed any references to,
Starting point is 01:21:52 victims of abuse from his statements and they say now the king has lost his patience you can see this statement is no longer a statement by committee it's a statement from the king but they also said that other friends of the king believe it was actually the fact that he was heckled during an engagement remember last week that meant something changed they say what's changed in two weeks is the king and queen have been out taking the temperature of the public they're doing national surveys at every engagement they have felt the public anger and they have acted. You can feel the exhalation of the public going at last, something we understand. There's been too much technical and confusing posturing of titles being put into abeyance. People didn't know what that
Starting point is 01:22:34 means, but with the King taking hold of it now, this feels final. This is the handling people would have been waiting to see. The friend out of the King and his courtiers could see that the Andrew problem was becoming a contagion that was more serious than the illness itself. With more and more questions being asked about the institution. Don't forget, this is what the king is built for. He's been forged in the fires of reputational adversity, and I've never seen him struggle to make the big, difficult decisions. But I mean, again, Howard, he didn't actually make the decision until he was heckled. And I don't really think one heckler should be changing royal history either, Howard. Because remember, this heckler was actually an operative for
Starting point is 01:23:15 republic, which is the group which campaigns for republicanism. And so they are oddly empowered now as well. Do you know what I mean? A one-off random heckler should be ignored, you know? So all of this decision-making has been pretty terrible. But as you say, Howard, you've got to have personal sympathy for the King because he's trying to deal with all of this at the same time that he is suffering from incurable cancer undergoing treatment.
Starting point is 01:23:41 And I don't forget that. But it's not an easy situation. No, not at all. I mean, he's head of the family as well. It's his brother and son that causing this turmoil within the family. That heckler, I'm surprised he got that close. I would have thought the police again should be actually, you know, investigating the people who are standing that close to him.
Starting point is 01:24:01 But, you know, what's happening at the moment is a distraction beyond belief in our country. And we've got other things to worry about. And I really don't give a toss about Andrew or Harry at the moment in time. I really, what matters to me, what we talked about earlier, is the safety and security of our people. And the king should be coming out and actually, you know, for once actually standing full front in front of the Camerons and talking about Christian culture, Christian values,
Starting point is 01:24:29 everything we should be celebrating and talking about the fact how great our country is if we restore ourselves back to those Christian values. I don't hear him doing any of that. No, very, very good point. Thank you both so much. Howard Cox of Fairfield. all UK and how are you feeling about this dastardly budget and 23 days i think well dan i hope you
Starting point is 01:24:53 have me on before it's yeah it is 23 days hope you on beforehand because uh i'm hearing the field duty will be going up and you know after 15 years of keeping it down and uh well i expected you to go up last year and i have to say thank you rachel rees but she as a front bench labor spokesman said to me privately after he said how had you done a great job as ever for 15 years doing this but we went for the farmers this time but next year we're going for the most of the motorist. So watch this space. Well, assholes. Okay, no, we definitely will have you back on before the budget, Howard. And of course, we'll see you
Starting point is 01:25:24 tomorrow with the Tommy trial. And Peter, where can people follow your brilliant Barnes Network now on Substack? Yes. So I'm launching a space of new shows. I've got my Substack, and you can find me on there. If you search for PC Barnes, 1, 2, 3 on pretty much any social media platform, you will find me. But yeah, over the next couple of weeks, you'll probably see a lot more adverts and a lot more promotion
Starting point is 01:25:49 about all the things I've got cooking just before Christmas. Amazing. Well, I'm very excited about that. And Howard, make sure you look out for Lauren the insider, who is going to be there outside of court tomorrow. We'd love to speak to you. We are live with the verdict from 9.30am.
Starting point is 01:26:06 This is the earliest show we've done for outspoken, but I'm very excited about it because you cannot trust the mainstream media, as you well know, Howard, when it comes to reporting of these Tommy Robinson court cases. So thank you both so much. Howard Cox, Peter C. Barnes, superb superstar panel. We will see you both soon. We're going to reveal today's greatest Britain and union jackass in just one moment. First to your feedback. So much of it coming in today. Thank you. Ono Tail says, what a joke this establishment is. Tommy Robinson accused of terrorism for not giving his pin.
Starting point is 01:26:36 But you've got men hacking people on a train and it's not terrorism. Well, exactly. Stuart Turbot says Khan wants driverless train. Imagine that the train would not have stopped at the next station of Khan gets his way. Do you know what? I've always been pro-driveless trains, but you make a very sound point, Stuart, and, you know, I'm going to think about that, actually. Andrew D.B.O.4 says, they've learned nothing from Southport, still insulting our intelligence. Optimist Gals says, so a nutter has left a rampage for three days on the rail network with a huge knife, yet we can't carry pepper spray, bloody insanity.
Starting point is 01:27:11 Adrian Smith says, it all comes out in the end. Ruder Cabanist's head teacher was stopped from speaking out. due to claims of racism. The race baiters are as guilty as the murderers and the rapists. And Andy Kirby 3121 says, police are useless, rang 999 because someone was in my home. The crazy lady that answered my emergency 999 called called, told me, it's your house. Tell them to leave. What a joke. Now I'm tooled up. Okay, your nominations for today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass.
Starting point is 01:27:41 Worst Britain in the world today, the nominees are Ed Miliband nominated by its only me 44 for his heat pump lunacy. Lisa Nandy nominated by Karen Quinn for the way that she dealt with Matt Goodwin on question time last week and John Healy, the Defence Secretary, because you know, he just said we all need to be more vigilant after the weekend's train attack. In third place, with 16% of the vote, John Healy. The runner-up was 17% of the vote, Lisa and Andy, but far and away, your union jackass today with 67% of the vote. It is the Environment Secretary Ed Miliband. And the greatest Britain today is that L-N-E-R member of staff unnamed. With Sarah Booth writing, the unnamed member of the cafe staff who put himself
Starting point is 01:28:32 between the crazed knife man and the passengers. God bless you. Okay, we're moving over to Substack. Now for the uncanceled after show where Megan Markle has been exposed for a fake Instagram publicity stunt involving her miserable husband, Prince. Harry, we're going to reveal all as we team up with the Royal News Network. A reminder, we will be live tomorrow morning, 9.30m. We'll still have our normal show at 5 o'clock with Lalani Dowdine and Elizabeth Fox. But I really hope you join us at 9.30 a.m. tomorrow morning. You can schedule that if you just click on the live tab and you will see that show a special Tommy Terror Trial, The Verdict episode with Lauren the Insider and Don Keith. But at this stage, we're coming off YouTube and moving over to Substack, join at www.
Starting point is 01:29:22 www. outspoken.com. We will be back at 5pm UK time tomorrow, midday, eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific, but do remember that special broadcast live 9.30 a.m. tomorrow morning. And most importantly, I promise to keep fighting for you.

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