Dan Wootton Outspoken - UPRISING AGAINST MIGRANT HOTELS SPREADS ACROSS UK AS DOMINIC CUMMINGS BACKS TOMMY ROBINSON

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

BREAKING TODAY: Victory in Epping as Essex mums who have been shamefully derided as far right thugs finally get the Disunited Kingdom to wake up to the illegal invasion of our southern border and scou...rge of migrant hotels putting our young women at serious threat. But the uprising is now spreading across the country with flash protests planned in Bournemouth, Southampton and Portsmouth, and a new beachside hotel being taken over in North Norfolk. In his Digest, Dan exposes how The Guardian and Yvette Cooper are trying to skew the narrative as usual with claims of disinformation and plans to censor X. Then Connor Tomlinson is here for analysis. PLUS: Tommy Robinson explodes at lies on Jeremy Vine as the MSM become increasingly desperate. AND: Former Sly News host Kay Burkey sparks outrage with her dismissal of the migrant national emergency. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Hollywood brutally turns on Meghan Markle after Prince Harry’s plan to scam the Royal Family for cash backfires. We’ll team up with the Royal News Network to reveal all. Sign up to watch live or on demand and totally ad free at https://www.outspoken.live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 No spin, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Woodson. This is Outspoken, episode number 278 and breaking today. Victory in Epping as Essex mums who have been shamefully derided as far-right thugs finally get the disunited kingdom to wake up to the illegal invasion of our southern border and scourge of migrant hotels, putting our young women at serious threat. hotels putting our young women at serious threat. This is Adam Brooks and astonishing scenes now from Epping. The women are refusing to stand behind the metal barriers. Everyone was pending opposite the hotel and have decided to march up and show their displeasure to the local council.
Starting point is 00:00:42 But the uprising is now spreading across the country with flash protests planned in Bournemouth, Southampton and Portsmouth in just an hour and a new beachside hotel being taken over in North Norfolk. Brits have finally had enough. People have been trying to talk about these issues and they get dismissed. Reform do very well and Farage has got a legitimate right to say whatever he wants. The point about the police is we In my digest next, I'll expose how the Guardian and Yvette they're not doing their job, which is they promised to sort this out and they won't. In my Digest Next, I'll expose how The Guardian and Yvette Cooper are trying to skew the narrative as usual with claims of disinformation and plans to censor X.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Then Connor Tomlinson is here for top analysis. Of course, he is the man behind Tomlinson talks on YouTube. Also coming up on the show today, Tommy Robinson explodes at lies on Jeremy Vine as the MSN become increasingly desperate. Former Sly News host Kay Burley sparks outrage with her dismissal of the migrant national emergency. And Richard Tice and Reform UK go to war with Times Radio after a bust up live on air
Starting point is 00:02:03 over our spiling crime catastrophe. Then in the uncancelled after show on the substack, Hollywood brutally turns on Meghan Markle after Prince Harry's plan to scam the royal family for cash backfires. We're teaming up with the Royal News Network to reveal all. You can sign up right now to watch at www.outspoken.live. Because it's Friday, we're also going to be revealing the worst Britain in the world this week. This is when we put your Union Jackass winners from Monday to Thursday head to head. A reminder of who's up for the gong that nobody wants. On Monday, Ian Dale of LBC for his revolting dismissal. Do you remember that of this woman who he called a dinosaur for being concerned about Afghan migrants?
Starting point is 00:02:51 Narenda Kaur, she was up on Tuesday for just being so awful actually about the people in Essex who are quite rightly protesting Wednesday, James O'Brien after his anti-Semitism disaster. And Thursday, Alastair Campbell for just not getting this situation at all. But does he ever? So you can vote. It's in a different place on a Friday. It is in the community or the posts tabs, depending on where you're looking on YouTube. We've already had something like 20,000 votes already so please get voting the winner and your comments at the end of the show. So do stay with us today. Let's go! The mainstream media and elite class still don't get it. They think our anger is down to so-called disinformation,
Starting point is 00:03:47 but they don't realise it's their disinformation covering up the reality of what we witness happening around us every single damn day that has caused us to reach this tipping point. It's them pretending that it's still business as usual as they head off on their first class flights to their European holiday homes and that's what makes us sick. The hope though comes from independent journalism and social media that has allowed people to see what's really happening out there. What's really happening, like for example illegal invaders playing on playstation 5s in luxury hotels on our dime look at that playstation playstation in a migrant hotel they're playing playstation 5 oh my god this is insane they've got a ps5 in a migrant hotel cheers mate thank you
Starting point is 00:04:43 insane they've got a PS5 in a mug and a hotel. Cheers mate, thank you. And what has largely remained until now, quiet treachery, is being burst open because we just can't and won't take it anymore. Like last night when strawman revealed on X, not the MSM, more than one coach full of illegal migrants has arrived in the quiet seaside town of Kroma this evening. Locals like myself weren't told anything. Kira Dis then reported. Migrant hotel confirmed in Kroma, Norfolk. Dozens of foreign men have arrived at the Cliftonville Hotel today in the small coastal
Starting point is 00:05:25 town in North Norfolk, nine miles outside of Norwich. No announcements or prior notice given to locals. We cannot and will not allow this. And they then copied in Rupert Lowe. That prompted fury, this revelation by the way, and outrage, including from high profile figures who can no longer sit back and watch the destruction of the country they love. Like Liz Court Kershaw, ex BBC, but actually very sound, who posted, this hotel is right on the seafront in Cromer, just behind, just by the pier. And behind it are all the little cafes and shops. Have a lovely school holidays, eh? And Alison Pearson, who pointed out the clock is ticking for Starmers government. The British people will no longer put up with illegal migrants from backward women-hating
Starting point is 00:06:13 cultures being dumped on their peaceful towns, close every asylum hotel, deport every single man who broke into our country. So they can ignore us as much as they like, but they are just speeding up their long slow death. By the way, thought I'd point out, neither the British Bashing Corporation or Wokai TV uttered a word about eping on their flagship news bulletins last night. In fact, not a word about the migrant hotel uprising at all. Indeed, both bulletins spent the first 15 minutes on international news, the stories of Gaza and Epstein, before uttering a word about the United Kingdom. We know their priorities, but soon they won't be able to ignore what's happening.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Because look at this, flash peaceful migrant hotel protests tonight in just an hour's time in Bournemouth, Portsmouth and Southampton, because as Turning Point UK says, locals are taking their country back. The Daily Telegraph, one of the best in the MSM, at least had the grace to feature the brave women of Essex on its front page today. And as Katie Hopkins celebrated, to the women of Epping and good men beside them, I am proud to share a country with you. Love for our kids is stronger than any sword. You are lions. All Yvette Cooper and the Home Office are doing stop polluting our country.
Starting point is 00:07:46 We don't just want illegals moved, we want them out. And what happened in Epi last night was actually quite wonderful, as the locals again defied the over the top police force and brought only peace even though authorities tried to lock them in cages. Watch. What will stop you? Nothing. Nothing will stop us until, until, because it's our children. But what, when you say oh yeah okay your kids don't matter, your kids don't matter then. Of course they matter. Until they're safe, until, until the people that are unvetted are taken away. Once they're vetted, come back. Let's just turn the camera around quickly, Lindsay. You see the number of police moving across here. We've seen police officers from Warwickshireshire we've seen them from Derbyshire, Nottingham and the Metropolitan Police here as well what do you think about when you see such a strong police presence is that
Starting point is 00:08:54 them putting a line under this off the recent operational errors that led to those skirmishes? I feel like they're oversteering on a bike they did too much for to support Antifa on the first night and they didn't protect us from them at all. I'm really hoping this is to protect us from what they anticipated was coming from the left. I'm really hoping that's what it's about. I can't actually imagine there's this many police to police a load of mums and dads walking to their local office. And we are currently behind metal barriers. We're like animals in a zoo at the moment. police a load of mums and dads walking to their local office.
Starting point is 00:09:29 And we are currently behind metal barriers. We're like animals in a zoo at the moment. If you want to protest against the hotel you have to be in designated areas and they've even metal fenced the fields behind the camera for any overflow. If their hundreds do turn up you have to go into a field. This police operation is very well organized and a very heavy police presence. We're hearing police dogs. There are riot vans everywhere. At the moment, there are far more police and far more press than there are protested.
Starting point is 00:09:56 I don't think the rain is helping, but at the moment, it looks like the police operation has done their job to try and stop big crowds coming tonight. Let's see. But look, you know Essex girls. No Essex girl was taking that nonsense. They weren't going to be caged. So they marched on the council before its crucial vote.
Starting point is 00:10:17 This is Adam Brooks. And astonishing scenes now from Epping. The women are refusing to stand behind the metal barriers. Everyone was pending opposite the hotel and have decided to march up and show their displeasure to the local council. We have got suffragette flags being waved, women singing. This is astonishing. Astonishing. I'm not sure if the police were banking on this but as you can see there are police escorting up. Save our kids, save our kids, save our kids. Save our kids is now ringing out. Oh the rain is so heavy. I find that really emotional actually, just beautiful to watch. And I have to give credit to Reform's local Councillor Jamie McIver who wasn't taking that either.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Good evening. I would just like to say that the people of Epping are not zoo animals and they do not need to be locked in cages like they are over there. But as a councillor I don't mind a small little win. So when I first arrived, there was only one entrance into the zoo animal cage, which has been allocated for protestors, who on earth made that decision, by the way. And there's only one entrance, which meant that women and children had to walk in the main road on rush hour
Starting point is 00:11:57 in order to get into their cage. And so I'm pleased to say that following a conversation with senior police officers, love your hat, following conversations with senior police officers there are now two entrances so at least women and children don't have to walk into the main road during rush hour but I would love to understand why people are in a cage I just find that totally insulting but well done to the residents that are there I'm on my way to the council meeting now. Lee Harris actually had the picture of the day.
Starting point is 00:12:31 And he pointed out, no faces covered, no far right, no violence, no hate, just concerned locals and Epin coming together to peacefully protest against illegal migrants sexually assaulting children. Wonderful to see. We need much more of this. And I have to say, you look at that picture, it's hardly the Nazis, is it? The Nazis that the socialist workers' newspaper had predicted would turn up. What Nazis like these?
Starting point is 00:13:20 The hotel needs shutting. And we're out here to save our children, to protect them. There's unbetted men in the hotel and they shouldn't be in these clothing. And what have you heard from being down here? What do you mean? What have you heard about anything that's happened with the migrants being around here? Oh there's been loads of stuff. My daughter works in the high road in a hairdressing salon and they've had them come in there intimidating them
Starting point is 00:13:45 other people who have salons down there they've had them coming in there was the sexual assault my daughter used to go to Eppens and Johns and she used to walk home from school being ogled by them spoken to by them wolf whistled it's just not on it's not on so thank you thank you Just wonderful to see isn't it and eventually the Tory council gave in to that pressure as Basil the Great pointed out, peaceful protest is working. Keep on going.
Starting point is 00:14:28 This is the way. And here is the moment the decision they made was announced. We will now have a vote on the motion. So we'll ask you to raise your hand to indicate your choice. So Mr Woodall will count the hands. So all those please in favor
Starting point is 00:14:47 of the motion please raise your hand. The bell is going to be closed. Unanimous chairman. So that means the motion has been agreed. The district council have voted to support the closure of the Bell Hotel. But sadly that council vote to close the Bell Hotel to illegal migrants was symbolic because it's Labour's dire Home Secretary Yvette Cooper who decides. So it is worth reminding the Home Secretary how we actually got here. The police arrested 38-year-old Hadush Gerber Slassie Kibatu and charged him with three sexual assaults inciting a girl to engage in sexual activity and
Starting point is 00:15:47 harassment or as it was described by the police and in the media, Epping Man charged. Yes, Hadush Gerber Slassie Kebatu is an Epping Man, presumably in the same way that Axel Muganwa Rudekibana is a Welsh choir boy. No, Hadush Gerber Slassie Kebatu isn't an epping man, he's an Ethiopian man. Yes, well done on sending your milk bottle tops into Blue Peter to build water wells in 1986. The people you saved are now hopping on small boats to come and say thank you by harassing your kids. So that's how we got here but isn't it interesting that the police don't seem to give a damn about that. They're not releasing footage of that man being arrested, they're not surrounding high streets to try and stop illegal sexually assaulting teenagers but they are now all over Canary Wharf trying to stop legitimate protest. Now as Nick Buckley pointed out of those scenes outside the Britannia Hotel, London police on their daily routine of protecting our women and children. Well done Met Police.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Sorry, just realised that they are protecting a migrant hotel,'re criminals of course because they got here illegally in the first place, but they're also criminals because of their behaviour in the United Kingdom as The Sun revealed today. Look at this. Fury as brazen asylum seekers. No, they're illegals, but I'll go with The Sun's language. Film shoplifting designer gear worth thousands before returning to hotel you pay for. The Sun was alerted to the situation by exasperated security staff who feel powerless to stop the brazen thefts. And they say they were tipped off by a security firm and they saw Organized Gangs exit Liberty, one of the poshest department stores in London, with alarm-dodging bags of luxury items.
Starting point is 00:18:47 They pounced at other stores, including Polo Ralph Lauren and John Lewis, then headed back to their holiday in home. A whistleblower said 70% of shoplifters in the West End are asylum seekers, the man who works in private security said his teams are at breaking point and the area verging on lawless. So that's the situation. But who is Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, condemning? No, not the illegal criminals, but rather Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader because of his criticism of the police. In the deluded hard left Guardian, of course, which believes it's disinformation, not
Starting point is 00:19:32 rampant sex crimes causing this unrest. And I had to show you this disgraceful piece of propaganda. An analysis by someone called Ben Quinn, headlined how violent protests and eping are being fuelled by disinformation. Claims Essex police, Boston anti-racism activists have been denied but have spread on social media and right wing news channels. I wonder what channels they're talking about. Okay, let's have a look at this analysis. Online misinformation and disinformation originating on niche corners of X has been amplified seemingly without attempt to corroborate whether it is true
Starting point is 00:20:16 by politicians such as Farage and commentators from the GB News channel. Video clips of stand up to racism protest has been taken out of Epping last Thursday and police fans after they were surrounded by groups of men who threw projectiles at them and the police were quickly repurposed on social media and presented as if they were images of protesters being transported from Epping station. In fact as Essex police has confirmed the stand-up
Starting point is 00:20:40 to racism protesters had made their way on foot from the station earlier in the day while police escorted them on foot to enable them to exercise right to protest. By Friday, however, right-wing commentators such as the ex-GB News presenter Dan Wooten were also misrepresenting the footage. They actually escorted people and police fans, Wooten told the viewers of the online show he set up after leaving GB News. On Wednesday, Farage posted the same footage on X saying, This video proves police transported left-wing protesters to the Bell Hotel in Epping and calling for the resignation of the Essex Police Constable Ben Julian Harrington. The force issued a statement saying this was categorically untrue, while Harrington made pointed comments in a press conference where he urged commentators to be responsible for what they said online, adding that it had real world consequences.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Could they actually be any more intellectually dishonest here if they tried about what happened? Antifa was escorted there and coming from them, because the quote that they have attributed to me, which I absolutely stand by, let's just look very closely at it. They actually escorted people in police vans. Well, they did. They did. Sure, they were escorted in police vans out of the site. They were actually described as buses. But I was very, very clear. And anyone who's been with me on this story since last Friday knows I've been very, very clear about what happened.
Starting point is 00:22:14 They were escorted in on foot to the protest. And then they were escorted out in numerous police vans. Go back and watch my digest. I've pinned it on X. I was very very clear about what happened. So yet again it is the Guardian that are spreading disinformation and do they actually want to look at the real point anyway? Which is that these protests have not been sparked by disinformation, they have been sparked by actual sexual assaults of actual young teenage girls in Essex. So shame on
Starting point is 00:22:45 them. But as Ross Kempsel of Guido Fawkes made clear, with the UK on fire this week on every front, economic, social, genuinely the only thing I have heard Labour ministers talking about is either recognising Palestine or how to shut down social media platforms like X. Starmer could well be the last ever Labour PM. And thankfully the ever sane Lord Clare Fox was given just 30 seconds to make this important point on the British Bashing Corporation's news night last night before being predictably cut off just like Farage was earlier in the week.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I'm not interested in whether he's right or not, they've either got it the wrong way around. You want to know why reform are doing well. It's not because of what Nigel Farage said about the police. It's because people have been trying to talk about these issues and they get dismissed. Reform do very well and Farage has got a legitimate right to say whatever he wants. The point about the police is we have a debate in the Lords and what do they all talk about?
Starting point is 00:23:41 Oh, the problem is that the police are being attacked. The problem is misinformation being promoted by Nigel Farage and then they don't talk about what's the real issue which is they're not doing their job which is they promised to sort this out and they won't. Exactly and of course at that moment she was swiftly moved on because they don't want you to hear the truth. Now, Conor Tomlinson is here. Conor, well, it's absolutely astonishing, isn't it? That the left-wing conclusion to everything that's been going on up and down this country this past week is censorship That discussion on Newsnight eventually pivoted into the idea of shutting down X
Starting point is 00:24:33 Shutting down Elon Musk's X When are they going to realize that disinformation is actually not the cause of the unrest up and down the country? never unfortunately Dan because you have to understand these people are wedded to a ideology, almost a religion of egalitarianism that says every man from Ethiopia and Eritrea and Afghanistan is exactly as identical as you and me. And it is just education, economic inequality, and the mere fact, the coincidence of geography
Starting point is 00:25:03 that they're on another continent as to why they behave differently, don't achieve as much as we are, or don't have a civilization like Britain's. And so all they have to do is bring them here in their millions, redistribute to them your tax money, house them in four-star hotels, and give them a few lectures on consent and women's rights, and everything will be fine and dandy. It will be like John Lennon's Imagine. And the only thing getting in the way of that is the nebulous phantom far right, which is just the English and broader indigenous British people who refuse to have their identity liquidated to accommodate hostile newcomers. It is that so-called far right, you know, concerned parents marching in their streets without masks who notice differences between groups of people, between cultures, between newcomers and those who have settled here ancestrally for many decades now and
Starting point is 00:25:55 centuries. It is those people noticing differences that is causing this division and lack of assimilation. And I'm not just pulling this whole cloth, it's not just academics like Emily Finlay or the late Christopher Lash who have observed this for ever since the 90s and onwards in their great books. It's actually even the leftists themselves who admit this. So Dame Sarah Kahn, the former anti-extremism advisor who helped Michael Gove write his definition of extremism that he delivered to the despatch box in parliament last year saying Britain is a proud multi-faith multicultural country made stronger by its diversity and then went on to talk about the far right more than the far left. Dame Sarah Khan co-wrote a paper last year with the communists at Hope Not Hate which
Starting point is 00:26:41 said that far right narratives around asylum seekers saying that they are fighting age males invading the country, which they are, and committing mass sexual assault, they are harmful narratives that must be censored by the cabinet office because they are barriers to integration. So they genuinely think that if we just stopped talking about the problems, they would disappear. And it is our stubborn ignorance noticing these problems that is causing schoolgirls to be sexually harassed in the first place. Do you feel like Epin is some type of tipping point though? I wish, but as we remember, last year there was an asylum hotel set up near two girls' schools in Altrincham, in Manchester,
Starting point is 00:27:28 and we had the footage of the town council meeting with police officers where then-concerned mums were shouting, is there going to be a curfew for all of these Kurdish men that just arrived last week who were already prowling around school gates so that my daughters can be safe? Why are they given private healthcare when we're stuck to the back of the queue of NHS waiting lists? All of this footage came out, it was protested, it was then counter protested by the sudden apparition of state funded stand up to racism renta mobs and I make that claim with evidence by the way as I and Charlotte Gill have reported on before, people like the Paul Hamlin Foundation get millions of pounds over the years in government grants from the Home Office to establish local chapters of rapid response activists to go out with their placards and shout, you know, say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here till they lose their
Starting point is 00:28:15 voice in opposition to organic protests like the one we see at Epping who are concerned about immigration, Islam, multiculturalism and child safety. Well, we saw that footage from last year. We've seen concerned parents report in many towns and cities. Asylum seekers are prowling around school gates. There was one in Northamptonshire earlier this year as well in January. And yet again, very little comes of it. And what ends up happening, unfortunately, and you know, good on all the parents that are down there, good on the likes of Adam Brooks and that reform councillor you mentioned for covering this and pushing the local council and the police on this.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Good on David Shipley for revealing the footage that the police were escorting stand-up to racism counter protesters straight to the front lines opposite the real protesters to provoke a response. However, I do think that all the government are going to do is shuffle these people around to different accommodation. So we're still going to be paying for it and hope that nobody notices that a series of unvetted, predatory, often law-breaking men are in their communities endangering their children. There really does feel like a genuine shifting of where the mainstream stand on these issues and especially the way that Tommy Robinson is talked about. Breaking today, a huge U-turn on one of the most controversial
Starting point is 00:29:39 men in Britain from Dominic Cummings and we'll get to that in just one moment. But first, the mainstream media continue with their quote, disinformation about the activist. Tommy Robinson isn't taking it anymore though. He writes, listen to this absolute clown on Jeremy Vine talking about disinformation, ironically by spreading disinformation about me. I've been banned from Facebook for years so F knows who she has been saying, they're all in this hotel, let's get down there, but it certainly wasn't me. Yet the panel nods along, doesn't even try to correct her, all pushing the same lies unchallenged. Now he is talking about quite a bizarre woman called Gemma Forte. She's actually a TV shopping presenter right? She's a TV shopping presenter who Jeremy Vine and
Starting point is 00:30:31 global radio now use as one of their propagandists in chief. Totally stupid, always uneducated and often spreading lies like she did about Tommy Robinson on Jeremy Vine. Watch. Summer of rioting was over the Southport killings and Axel Rudicabana and all of that, and there was some false information in the mix. This is a genuine, which starts with a genuine anger against a person who's alleged to have assaulted a child, which is pretty serious.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Of course it is. And we have to hope, I suppose, we don't have flashpoint incidents like that. Yeah, and we can all agree that that is disgusting and wrong, and that we don't want that, and we want that person dealt with. But the trouble is, there is also an angle where it gets weaponised for other agendas. And the misinformation thing is really, really worrying. So if you're spreading stuff around on Facebook, as was done by Tommy Robinson, I believe, started it,
Starting point is 00:31:34 saying, they're all in this hotel, get down there! And then it's completely false. And then also within that, like, actually, how does that help? And there's also a difference between protest and rioting. And if you're rioting and you're throwing things at the police and you're punching people or you're damaging things or you're throwing stuff with fire in them or you are threatening people that have nothing to do with it,
Starting point is 00:31:58 then that isn't protest. That is rioting. And then, so, yeah, it's a hot mess. And I don't know where they start, but I guess they have to start with the and also when you've got groups like The EDL you've got groups like the or to see the great from the patriotic Alliance. They're the far right there there I mean Connor This is one of the problems by the way of putting a very stupid basic TV shopping presenter and actually thinking that
Starting point is 00:32:25 she can talk about current events and news because she is so uneducated. The irony that there she is speaking about disinformation and the amount of lies literally spewing from her mouth. I mean talking about the EDL which doesn't exist anymore, claiming that Tommy Robinson is spreading all of this on Facebook when he doesn't even have a Facebook account. What riots is she referring to? But then you take a step back and you think, Jeremy Vinewright, you're a pretty educated man, you've got a very uneducated guest. The riots last year, the so-called riots, were not caused by disinformation. Like, we were absolutely furious about what happened to Axel Rudekobana knowing exactly his background.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Yes, there's quite a few points to address here. First of all, you're right. Robinson doesn't have a Facebook account. If I believe correctly, there was a Facebook executive who, when he was interviewed a few years ago as to the reason why they took Robinson off of Facebook, he cited a post that doesn't exist alleging that he had called for people to behead Muslims. He's never done that otherwise he would have been charged with that because that's of course incitement to violence in this country and the state are always looking for an excuse to throw the man in prison. As far as Robinson as well, not everyone has to agree that he is a prudent actor. I think he's probably sick to the back teeth of being talked about and brought up as a
Starting point is 00:33:41 boogeyman any time the establishment and their stooges want to beat on the concerned host majority population who make their grievances known about immigration and therefore to call them far right. But Robinson hasn't spread any misinformation about the Southport protests. He actually discouraged at the time anyone going out and engaging in violence because he said the stater looking for an excuse to crack down on you, which was sober advice. As far as the idea that disinformation caused the Southport protests themselves and the ensuing riots across mainly Even the BBC admitted this wasn't a centrally planned far-right network of the patriotic alternative or Combat 18 or any of these, the EDL who have been defunct for over 10 years now but live rent-free in their heads.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Instead they said no, this was mainly concerned locals and you can see that from a lot of the arrest records in Southport, the immediate riot after the vigil. Part of that vigil was kicked off by the way because there was a second potential suspect apprehended that people thought was a copycat attacker just down the road who was arrested by police with a knife as the vigil was going on so that sparked concern and lots of those people that did riot and fight with police on the road with the mosque in Southport were Merseyside locals and some of them were drunk, yes, some of them were looking for picking a fight because they were outraged and clearly cared more about having a scrap with the police than the grieving families around them,
Starting point is 00:35:14 but there would not have been so many participants if there was not an absolute outpouring of grief, if there was not a feeling that the state was refusing to redress their grievances, and as Douglas Murray observed in an excellent spectator piece at the time, that these grievances had been going on for decades, with mass migration, with regional poverty, with the contempt poured upon them by a mainstream media who dismissed all their concerns as racist, as embodied by that woman there who knew nothing about what she was talking about. Absolutely nothing, but given mainstream media platforms all the time, because she fits a
Starting point is 00:35:50 particular agenda. But look, as I say, the Overton window is absolutely shifting. Big developments earlier today, Connor. Here's how it's summed up by Basil the Great on ex-Dominic Cummings praises Tommy Robinson. He writes in a new sub stack and we'll get into the sub stack in some more detail in just one moment, Conor, because I know you've read it as well. But let's kick off with what he said about Tommy Robinson. He says he was more right than the mainstream media on the gangs, more right than professors and more right than the BBC political editors, more right than the TV anchors, more right than the Today programme on the BBC, more right than 99% of MPs, more right than the NBC pundit network paid to explain politics to the plebs. Quite a significant intervention, it feels like, Connor. Cummings, to an extent, endorsing
Starting point is 00:36:57 Tommy Robinson, or at least starting to say, come on, come on, how can you be so down on this dude when he totally got it right on the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs? Yes, I think Cummings' comments are representative of two things. First, it's the breaking of significant moral taboos enforced by the main sewer pipe of the mainstream media, but also the network of nested interests, activists like Hope Not Hate, the Home Office, various politicians, the hegemon that has enforced multiculturalism and mass migration on the British public for decades now without any democratic consent ever being given to it. Breaking this taboo by acknowledging Robinson's
Starting point is 00:37:44 merits alongside his failures, because he's a human being and he's flawed and he has done some good things on the grooming gangs, for example, and he's taken more than his fair share of kicks for doing so and being right early on this issue. By acknowledging his merits, you break that taboo. You say, you can't use him as a bogeyman against me. You do not have to make him the leader of your movement. I don't think he frankly wants to. I don't think Robinson sees himself standing at the despatch box debating the merits of housing policy in 20 years. But you can turn around and say, you cannot use him to smear me and all of my sensible views using guilt by association. The other important thing that Cummings has done is lifted the
Starting point is 00:38:21 veil on the total incompetence, willful ignorance, and outright malice of all of these institutions that have been using Robinson as a boogeyman to shut down debate. In that substack, he makes us very aware, there is a passage that I'm going to read to you, just as his last substack made us very aware, the government tries to enforce these magic spells, these ideological fictions, on each other and the public to maintain the illusion of control. And he thinks that the groomingang inquiry, the concession made after months of dragging their heels on this issue, is another one of those magic spells. It's another containment operation.
Starting point is 00:38:57 It's worth listening to on this. He says, quote, the purpose of the inquiry from Whitehall's perspective, so the civil service controlling this, is to control the story and suppress as much as possible voters connecting the collapse of border control and the systematic rape, abuse and killing of English children. The reason they want to disconnect the idea that their policies could have prevented this from the horrors that the broader public and the globe, thanks to Elon Musk and X, are becoming aware of is because they are the only people to blame.
Starting point is 00:39:30 They not only covered it up, but even the ones who were not involved in the cover-up still supported the policies that brought millions of these people into the country in the first place. And every last one of them is rotten and culpable. And so I will say this, I listened to your show yesterday, Dan, and Kane Blackwell was a lovely chap, but to turn around and say that Priti Patel should have won the Conservative leadership election and this would have been better for the country.
Starting point is 00:39:53 No, Priti Patel has done way more damage to this country than Tommy Robinson ever has done. And so I would like to see her held just as accountable as Keir Starmer and every other public official that Dominic Cummings has quite rightly blamed for not only the Boris wave where he was censored on GB News for mentioning it, but also for covering up the grooming gang scandal while he worked at the Department of Education back in the 2010s. to the next part of his sub stack, Connor, because you mentioned there that he reveals that he was censored by GB News. And I actually think this is worth digging down on.
Starting point is 00:40:29 So it was an interview that he gave at, it was either Oxford, wasn't it? Oxford. It was with Stephen Edgington. With Stephen Edgington, yeah. So an interview that he gave, and he reveals in this new sub stack that GB News actually censored the part of the interview where he was critical of Boris Johnson. So he writes, on the 19th of June, 2025,
Starting point is 00:40:56 I gave a speech to a packed Sheldonian theatre. Oxford was with Cambridge and bits of London, the most hostile demographically to vote leave. Five years ago, there'd have been a crowd brainwashed by the Russiagate hoax and Guardian howling for my arrest. So it was interesting to see a thousand students and academics listen and share a tough message on what's gone wrong and what to do, including leaving the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. There's an interview with GB News on including leaving the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. There's an interview with GB News on stage at the end of the talk. This touched on why Boris Kerry, referring to Boris's wife Kerry Johnson, destroyed border control and on the grooming rape gang's cover-up.
Starting point is 00:41:38 But the full video, released by GB News, censored references to Boris and Carrie. GBN is trying to be an alternative to the MSM, so censoring things said in public to do a favour for the guy responsible for the most disastrous collapse of border control in British history for a thousand years is not a good idea. I suggest GB News reviews their decision and releases the full video. I don't think it was the journalist who edited it. It was senior management called by the trolley. Now the trolley is his very unkind nickname for Boris Johnson. But this is the type of collusion Connor that goes on all the time at GB News. And lots of people say about me, well,
Starting point is 00:42:17 Daniel, bitter about what happened in regards to your situation. GB News is the best that we've got. We should celebrate it more than other mainstream media outlets. And look, there might be a lot of truth to all of that, right? Yes, I am very bitter about what happened to me there. And maybe they are better than the BBC, and better than Wokai TV, and better than Sly News. But this just proves they're not an independent outlet in any way, because there are so many vested interests which on a daily basis impact their editorial coverage. I think it is disgusting that that part of the interview was censored because of a call from Boris Johnson, who by the way signed a deal with GB News but has never actually delivered any of the content
Starting point is 00:42:56 that was promised. Yeah, I was actually going to ask you what on earth happened to his show that was announced but never materialised. I wonder if they knew ahead of time. Will It was a publicity stunt, Connor. I'll just quickly say, given you've raised it, that was a publicity stunt. I know for a fact, bosses at the channel told me that the whole situation with myself and Lawrence Fox had just gone down and they wanted some good publicity that they thought was going to energise the base. But it just shows you how actually far off they are, because Boris Johnson is not where the base is at these days. Yeah, that is an enlightening but very confusing anecdote, Dan, given the majority of the public
Starting point is 00:43:38 now holds Boris Johnson in contempt for a number of reasons, whether it's the superficial blame of Partygate, the sort of two-tier restrictions he placed us under during reasons, whether it's the superficial blame of Partygate, the sort of two-tier restrictions he placed us under during Covid, whether it's trying to enforce mandatory vaccines on us in December 2021, or as the majority of the younger generation who are making their way up through politics now and are much more right-wing than the establishment conservatives, they blame him for the Boris wave. Unequivocally he betrayed the Brexit mandate. He and his advisers still don't get it. There's an alarming exchange that Matt Goodwin had with one of them on Policy Exchange a couple of days ago that I posted to
Starting point is 00:44:14 Twitter where she still insists that, oh, all of the Brexit voters wanted Singapore on Thames. They didn't want to lower migration whatsoever. It just wasn't even discussed in the Cabinet office and briefing rooms. No, people hold Boris Johnson personally responsible for, as Dominic Cummings said, opening the floodgates to the third world because he wanted the financial times to like him. Now, that allegation was kept in the GB News version of the Farris Institute event and that reminds me, I must ask Steve Edginton what actually was said because I wasn't in attendance. However, I wonder if GB News did two things here. First of all, I wonder if they were petrified of any Ofcom complaints or even accusations of litigation by Boris and Kerry for the claims that Cummings himself has made. And I would wager that Cummings would not make such claims, whatever claims he
Starting point is 00:45:02 made, if he did not have the receipts to back it up. Because Cummings, for all of his faults, and I don't think he was all that strategic with the whole Barnard Castle fiasco, so he does have errors in judgement, but I don't think that he would put this in print or say this in front of cameras, whatever he said, if he wasn't able to back it up should a lawsuit go to discovery. And then the other reason they might want to censor this is because people at GB News may still hold a candle for Boris, may still think that because Kemmy Badenock has been an unequivocal disaster and now even the likes of The Spectator, under Michael Gove having
Starting point is 00:45:40 employed Tim Shipperman, are now turning on her and setting their watches as Cummings himself is to her being ousted between November and May, they might think that, well, James not so cleverly isn't the best successor. Robert Jenrick is looking to be the best, but he might even be a rogue element for a lot of the One Nation wets. Maybe Boris Johnson is the only person with enough charisma and star power to take on Farage in 2029. I think it's an erroneous assessment, but they might genuinely be keeping their powder dry and not trying to upset formerly Operation Big Dog in order to usher him back into the big spot in the Conservative Party. Will Barron I actually think that's a really fair point,
Starting point is 00:46:16 Connor, because it's actually far too simple. People usually like to try and make very simple claims when it comes to GB News. So the very simple claim is to say GB News is a propaganda outfit for Nigel Farage. And don't get me wrong, in a lot of ways it is. And he has a huge amount of editorial control. And that's why, for example, you've seen Rupert Lowe pretty much banned from the station, certainly not covered in the same way that he was. And any issues within Reform UK, which we know are massive, are pushed right down to the bottom of the news agenda. At the same time, I know for a fact that many of the big money bosses behind GB News, remember there are two billionaires, including one who is a member of the Liberal Democratic Party, are not super keen on Nigel
Starting point is 00:47:01 Farage and are much more into the Govite type of politics. So I definitely think there is going to be a clash there and they're still hedging their bets. I do just want to show you though what Tommy Robinson had to say about the GB News mob because he's calling them out now. He really, really is. And I think he's got a point. He uses pretty tough language, but let me show you this Connor. He says in regards to Lee Anderson specifically, Lee, you say enough is enough. But where were you on this six years ago?
Starting point is 00:47:34 Same for Charlie Peters, for GB News, same for Nigel Farage. All of you suddenly jump on a bandwagon riding behind the crest of a wave of truth that others brought to light. And so many years before any of you piped up about the problem. Why? Because it's politically convenient for you to do so now. Others far braver than any of you helped shift that Overton window, that Overton window that allows you to speak so bravely about these issues now. It's true what they say. Those who jump out of the trenches first get all the incoming fire.
Starting point is 00:48:03 You can thank us all later. You spineless political and media hacks. You are parasites. You are cowards. You are opportunists. And I will call you out for what you are. Now, this has really divided people on the right, Conor, because of course there is the school of thought of people who say, well, actually no, we need to stay united. I would point out though that Tommy Robinson did actually endorse Reform UK before the last election, was very kind about Nigel Farage, was very kind about GB News. How have they repaid him, Connor? Well Nigel Farage went on LBC and accused him of assaulting women, a total lie, and
Starting point is 00:48:37 GB News continues to ban him. Yeah, I think the attack on Charlie Peters is unwarranted, not only because I don't think he's ever said anything unkind about Robinson. The only thing I can think that's even tangential is the battle of ideas last year in a panel with Winston Marshall and Guy Dampier, he said that Robinson has brought awareness to the issue, but he almost also accidentally collapsed a grooming gang trial with his attempt at citizen journalism. So there are lots of people also doing this, uh, like the late Andrew Norfolk. And so I think that's fairly balanced and isn't very
Starting point is 00:49:12 contemptuous. Also Peters, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remember Charlie's age off the top of my head, but if it was six years ago, he would have been about 18. And so he would have been just starting out and so wouldn't have been all that prominent. So, and the landscape was very different and citizen journalism wasn't as easy as it is in 2025, especially with the muzzle taken off of X. So I think the attack on Charlie Peters unwarranted. As far as Nigel Farage, again I think that just from personal experience speaking to people in reform and having maintained some criticism but also some encouragement when
Starting point is 00:49:42 I like policies that they pass, carrot and stick is probably the best approach to take with any political party if you are a commentator, a journalist or someone seeking to shape politics from outside the party paradigm. And so just attacks in terms of insults or criticisms of one's character, they won't get you very far in terms of convincing people. Now, if you're not in the business of convincing people, hey, you know, have at it. And I don't really blame Robinson for being so annoyed with the way he has been spoken about by reform. And also people on the very peaceful Unite the Kingdom marches have been spoken about in a derisive fashion by Richard Tice and Nigel Farage. However, if he is expecting some kind of rapprochement between reform, having supported them and his supporters, this is probably not the best language to use. I'm not making a moral point, merely a strategic point. Yeah, it's an interesting one. Actually, I don't know. I've got
Starting point is 00:50:45 no idea how old Charlie Peters is. I think some people say he's older than mid 20s. I've actually got no idea. I was always very, very supportive of him always had been and I know people love him and he's done some great stuff. However, when I saw the way that he turned on Mark Stein, the former GB News presenter in January, this is when Elon Musk got involved in the whole rape gang situation. I was actually really disgusted by that, to be honest, because I know that behind the scenes, Charlie Peters had credited Mark Stein with giving him the
Starting point is 00:51:19 opportunity to do what he then took on at GB News and it was Mark Stein who spoke about the rape gang scandal every single night on GB News before Charlie Peters ever did so I was very disappointed about that that's just my personal point of view. The liberal elite of course want us to believe that what's going on up and down the country must just be racist because of course if you're against these illegal invaders who are raping our young women it just means that you're really not into diversity right we saw it with Susanna Reid very recently on Good Morning Britain and now Kay Burley of Sly News although she's off air at the moment, however there are expectations
Starting point is 00:52:05 she's trying to find a job somewhere in the liberal media, perhaps back at Sly or somewhere like Channel 4 News, so she's absolutely going with the lefty playbook on this and as ever proving that she is completely out of touch with the ordinary people up and down the United Kingdom. So she responded to someone called UK Lockdown who posts on X, nobody wants dangerous undocumented fighting-age males in their local communities and that's why it will kick off this summer. But Burleigh replied saying last summer Keir Starmer was new to the job but this year he has to own Britain's asylum unrest. It's on his shoulders as tensions continue to rise
Starting point is 00:52:46 over migrants housed in high-end hotels, communities losing patients. What will the PM do next? Now you might think that is sort of straightforward analysis. However, when she was challenged on this, When she was challenged on this, she then posted, what about human beings who have risked everything including their life in search of a better future? And this as we know is a completely morally and ethically disingenuous way to talk about the illegals that are invading this country. There was huge outrage on ex Julia Stevenson posted Dear God, the ignorance of the elites in their ivory towers. Sir Shobe said exactly I'm one of those brave human beings who risked it all and crossed into Dover on Saturday chasing a better
Starting point is 00:53:38 future and hopefully a cozy spare room in your lovely home or are you just all talk and no action, expecting the hard-working British taxpayer to cover my stable, they can't even afford their bills or a nice meal out with their family, please do get in touch. I believe you owe me that much." And Conor Tomlinson, I can completely understand the backlash to Burleigh here, can you? Of course. I mean, upwards of 70 to 80% of these crosses since 2018 that have been recorded, mind you, because lots slipped through the net, have been men.
Starting point is 00:54:13 And lots of those claiming to be children have a bit too much gray in their beard for me to believe it. I mean, we all remember the Afghan who claimed to be a child and was put in a secondary school before being kicked out because he was chasing students around with a knife and bringing and then left his foster home because of threats and was bringing women back to his flat who then went on to kill an aspiring Marine Thomas Roberts. So Burleigh insisting that all of these people are just fleeing for a better life. Well, what's their definition of a better
Starting point is 00:54:42 life? Okay. It turns out we actually know what this is because, as I helped way back in August 2023, Mark White over at GB News break the story at the time, North African people trafficking gangs who facilitate the travel across Europe from all types, from Africa, the Middle East, and the like, are marketing on Instagram and TikTok videos of British girls and women in states of dress that would be considered immodest by Islamic standards. They have been filmed without the consent and they are showing them, cut, alongside videos of men breaking under board offences or crossing the channel in small boats in Europe to advertise their services. Patrick Christis found one recently where one North African
Starting point is 00:55:25 gang was intercutting footage of ISIS fighters in their footage of men breaking into Europe. There was one that I saw actually during that investigation in 2023 where there was a video of a church in France burning and then it cut to people crossing the channel. So they're explicit about seeing our women and girls, our wives, mothers, daughters, sisters, as the spoils of war, plunder and conquest. They are very happy to deface our national monuments and disrespect our religion. They are more than happy to live at taxpayers' expense, like permanent scroungers taking the law-abiding, tax-paying British majority for fools. So why should we want any of these people here?
Starting point is 00:56:08 Just on a final point of principle, Kay Burley is representative of the universalist, or Britain is just the world's poor box mindset, metropolitan elite. It was best summed up by Gus O'Donnell, the former cabinet secretary under Blair and Brown, when he spoke to author David Goodhart. This is printed in the Rotor somewhere. Gus O'Donnell said, when I was at the treasury, I was pushing for the most open doors immigration policy possible because I believe my commitment was to global welfare. Yet again, they believe literally everyone is just a fungible, interchangeable unit. The state does not have any particular loyalty to its own people because it cannot define who its own people are. And so it is Britain's
Starting point is 00:56:43 duty as a nation with dwindling largesse to redistribute all of the money that you and I earn to the entire third world. Funnily enough, sorry, I just don't care. I care about my own family, I care about my own community, my own congregation, and my own country. If someone is suffering around the world, that is sad. But so are millions of people, and I cannot care about them, and I will begin to suffer if you take all my resources away from me. So at that point when Kay Burley is insisting that all of these people be housed at my expense, it is existential and so I consider her an absolute enemy." But there's so many examples of this Connor, like Dan Snow, did you see this? This very privileged guy. He also posted on X saying the idea that Britain is a powder keg because of its diversity is in itself stunningly racist. Millions of us live in
Starting point is 00:57:30 diverse families bound by ties of love and respect that are as combustible as granite. And then politics Joe also went on this line that if you're protesting, you are racist. I'll get you to respond off the back of this, but watch this first Connor. With that energy and violence only to these crimes that are committed by people who aren't white to immigrants, however many, I don't know, I'm actually, I don't know the numbers, but white men commit atrocious acts against women and children. Actually, let's take for instance, the aristocrat and her boyfriend who went on the run and their baby daughter died. That's what that's a horrific story. And you're not writing about the death of that girl. Think of every atrocious story you've heard about a man.
Starting point is 00:58:28 Let's take Wayne Cousins, for instance, killing Sarah Everard. It's women protesting. The far right were quite quiet on that one, if you're interested in protecting women and girls. It only inspires such venom when it is someone who's not white during it. So it's completely hollow saying you're there to protect women and children. You're there because you're racist. I mean, Connor, please respond to both politics Joe and Dan Snow, who are now pulling out the, you're a racist if you dare protest against your young women being sexually assaulted by illegals on their local high street in
Starting point is 00:59:11 the middle of the day. Well, that wretched creature on politics, Joe, I mean, I won't take his advice on anything moral just by the look of him, but it's especially moronic that he brought up the example of Constance Martin. Because I happen to remember, and I just googled to check, that the boyfriend that she eloped with to abandon her daughter to die in question was a black chap. So pretty bad example to use if you're saying, oh, when it's white people doing it, then people don't care. Well, actually it was a black chap. So yeah, stop trying to racialise this stuff. What people are concerned about, and rightly so, is that every single one of these sexual and violent crimes and
Starting point is 00:59:45 thefts and acts of entry, disrespect for our border, every single one of these crimes committed by an illegal migrant or illegal migrant is a consequence of state policy. If they were never here in the first place, those lives would not have been ruined. So the reason people are angry is because we could stop it tomorrow. It could literally all stop, and the government are deciding not to, which is why they are speaking about it, protesting, petitioning. It is why courageous MPs like Katie Lamb or Rupert Lowe are trying to raise it in parliament, much to the shrieking from the Liberal Democrats and Labour like Sarah Champion. And so the reason people are so incensed about this is because we are suffering for nothing. And our government, our civil service, the police, the RNLI, everyone who's aiding and abetting this,
Starting point is 01:00:31 including the media like Politics Joe, could stop it tomorrow and are choosing not to. As far as Dan Snow, much like his, let's say, establishment right-wing counterparts, who are, without reason, optimistic about the prospect of sufficient civics integration programs to render all of these hostile newcomers as indistinguishably British as you and me. I'm thinking the likes of Robert Toomes, for example, at the Now in England conference. Dan Snow's experience of diversity has been heavily mitigated by his wealth, his status, and just the fact that he doesn't get public transport, for example, or walk around some of the harsher areas of London.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Dan Snow has very little to no interaction with the UK, spelled Y-O-O-K-A-Y, and if he were honest, if he were confronted with this, perhaps it would shake him free of his liberal delusions. But yet again, as I started the show with Dan, these people are ideologically committed to the idea that everything is a blank slate. And so Dan Snow is more mad at you noticing the differences between groups of people and foreign nationals who commit disproportionate amounts of sex crimes like Afghans and Eritreans.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Then he is about the sex crimes themselves because he thinks if you just stop noticing the sex crimes will stop. Yeah, because he knows it's not gonna happen to his daughter, presumably, or at least he thinks he knows that. I would say no area in the United Kingdom is now safe. Lots of people have woken up though.
Starting point is 01:01:52 I mean, the journey that Matt Goodwin has been on over the past decade has been a fascinating one. And he says, Connor, now that this is the worst state he has ever seen the country watch this. His questions over any of this, they're instantly derided as far right extremists, as anti-immigrant protesters, when in reality, what they're saying is they just want to live in a society where people play by the rules, where the laws of the land are upheld, and they're democratically elected politicians, the people they have chosen
Starting point is 01:02:29 to elect them, put them first. That is not a lot to ask for. That is the basics of a nation-state. That is how you run a country. Yet our leaders now seem incapable of doing even that. So I am worried about the country. I'm worried that people are going to withdraw their support. I'm worried we're going to have disturbances and protests. And I'm worried this is going to become an increasingly permanent feature of British life. And if you want to know who's responsible for that, it isn't the hard-working majority, it isn't political activists, it's the people who are supposed to represent us, who are supposed to respect and uphold that
Starting point is 01:03:17 social contract, because it goes two ways. In order for the people to be willing to pay into the system, the system must represent the people and it is failing to do so. That's my bigger concern about the UK right now. And you know what? I think millions of people out there feel exactly the same way. Conor Thomson, do you agree? Absolutely. And look, I have friendly chats with Matt frequently, and I am very glad that he is still in reform. He has hung it out because he is very aware of the criticisms that have been made of their personnel and their softening of policy, and he is willing to address that. And I'm glad that he has come a very long way in thanks parts to reading the works of Christopher Lash, from writing Guardian columns in 2016 defending Said Avosi to having the cold bucket of water
Starting point is 01:04:12 of Brexit splashed in his face and realising that the left behind working British majority are not represented in their politics and understanding as he wrote in a recent policy exchange paper that the new right that is emerging in setting its face against the established right that have led us to the brink of civil unrest, impoverishment and ethnocultural heterogeneity, that the new right are more concerned with questions of identity than just about economics and making sure the numbers on the spreadsheet add up. So I'm glad that Matt gets it and I hope that more of our insurgent would-be populist elites start listening to him. Indeed, very, very well put, Connor Tomlinson.
Starting point is 01:05:10 and off air fight has broken out between Reform UK and establishment radio in chief, Times Radio over crime stats. And it comes as I think Reform UK start doing some very good work on this area. Look at this post from Nigel Farage today, comparing 1975 to 2025. Do you remember that very famous Concorde advertisement? If you were flying the Concorde tomorrow, you'd wear a Rolex. And his social media whiz kids done a bit of a Photoshop job to make the new version of the poster. If you were visiting London tomorrow, you wouldn't wear a Rolex. And the thing is, that's completely true. That's completely true. I know people in my own life who have been beaten to a pulp and
Starting point is 01:06:00 had their Rolex watch stolen from their hand. I think you're utterly crazy if you're in this city and you have a Rolex or you even carry something expensive. That is a third world country. That is a country in decline. And it's not just happening in London, it's happening in all of our big cities. But of course, if you're part of the metropolitan elite, you don't want to believe that.
Starting point is 01:06:22 You don't want to believe that's happening to your country. It doesn't impact you because you get shepherded from your very posh London apartment to your country home by a town car. Your children drive their own vehicles. You're simply not having to face what all of us are on a day-to-day basis. So I think Reform are doing very, very good work on this. Layla Cunningham, who is their new sort of star in London, interesting woman, she was a conservative, she is a Muslim, some people saying is this the person that Farage wants to stand for London mayor, but she's very, very good on the issue of crime. She's previously been referred to as the vigilante mum because she went after some
Starting point is 01:07:05 criminals who had attacked her own children. And this is where the bust up started in an interview between her and Mr Establishment in Chief Steven Sacker who used to be on BBC and hosted Hard Talk and everyone was apparently outraged because that show got axed for some reason. So of course, Times Radio, they always sweep up the establishment folk, right? Andrew Neal's out of a job. Let's get him on Times Radio. They've done the same thing with Stephen Sacka.
Starting point is 01:07:32 And he proved just how out of touch this radio station was during quite an astonishing interview watch. Are you suggesting that crime is out of control? Yes, definitely. I'm suggesting crime is out of control? Yes, definitely I'm suggesting crime is out of control. But that's just plain wrong, isn't it? I mean, it's not out of control at all. In fact, many of the key crime indicators suggest it's in long-term decline, including the crimes people care about most, like knife crime. So I don't know where you get your data. Well 2019 to 2024 knife crime decreased by 8.2 percent. Not in London. In London it went up by over 20 percent. Well you're a national political party aren't you? Yes we're a national political party but I think you'll find in hot spots it's
Starting point is 01:08:17 actually gone up. Yeah. And we... sorry. Well no I'm just looking at a whole list of different crimes and the statistical analysis. Car crime, for example, people care enormously about that. It's been declining for 30 years. So, Stephen, there's data and there's what you call a lived experience on the street. Well, hang on. Yeah, but I mean, data, what you call data is just facts, right? I mean, facts matter.
Starting point is 01:08:43 And in so many different parts of this discussion, you will find if you look at the facts, that crime is in long term decline. Both all data is flawed. Now, as Richard Tice pointed out delusional claptrap from Stephen Sacker, who must be amongst most out of touch journalists in UK. He seriously thinks crime is falling and he seriously trusts laughable crime surveys that there's no representation of what is happening on the streets, embarrassing for Times Radio. I mean, funny that Richard Tice is finally waking up to the fact that Times Radio is the enemy. I mean, it really, really is. But Leila Cainham actually made some stronger points in the second half of the interview watch.
Starting point is 01:09:27 People don't report crime anymore because they don't trust the police will do anything about it. A lot of people go after muggers themselves, which I had to do in my area. I was called vigilante mom by the press for doing it. And it is flawed. Do you know how much violent crime has actually gone down over the last 30 years? I'm talking long-term trends here, they matter. Any idea how much it's gone down? No, but I'm talking about short-term trends. It doesn't matter what happened 30 years ago. Of course it matters, because you can point to one particular spike. It might be that there was a particular spike in one particular area over one particular six-month or one-year period, but the trends are clear. Over a long
Starting point is 01:10:11 period of time, all of these crimes that people care about most are, it seems, in decline. And yet you say that crime is completely out of control. Nigel Farage today said, we must and we will take back control of our streets. But we haven't lost control of our streets. That's just deceitful rhetoric. Oh my God. Oh my God. Where is he living? Where is he living? Well, we know where he's been living in a BBC enclave, where they pay for everything. I live in the real world, in London, and it is a hellhole and let me tell you it is absolutely lawless. Now in response to that interview, Fraser Nelson, the former editor of The Spectator, now part of the Times family, wrote on X,
Starting point is 01:10:56 Times Radio delivers a quality of interview that you struggle to find elsewhere and gets better all the time. Stephen Sack of the latest to join is a great example. Richard Tice wasn't having that. He posted, you and Stephen need to wake up and get out of the Westminster village more. Crime is soaring. Police is disappearing and law and order is on the ropes. Now that prompted Fraser Nelson to post his own riposte. One of these graphs, right? That crime wave in full. But I fully agree with Richard's response. Wake up. You are not normally this naive. He is, by the way, Richard. You wake up to Fraser Nelson. Crime is soaring. Public confidence is collapsing. Police are failing. You cannot tell people that what they see is not there. Now, Conor Tomlinson, you are one of the biggest critics
Starting point is 01:11:48 of Fraser Nelson, I think for very good reason. And isn't it about time that someone like Richard Tice wakes up and realises, right, he's not on your side, Times Radio is not on your side, they are living in La La Land, in their own little North London world. I wish that were the case, Dan, and I won't hold my breath because Richard Tice once had the same reaction calling an article that I wrote, I think it was late November 2024, delusional garbage, when I warned well ahead of them ousting Rupert Lowe, the Ben Habeib quitting the party was not a good sign, the insulting your supporters over Tommy Robinson was going to cause division, and that the appeasement of political Islam was going to be a wedge issue between them and the base, especially as
Starting point is 01:12:36 scepticism of immigration on cultural grounds, particularly Islam, grows among the general public. And then you have months later, as of very recently, Nigel Farage going from saying to the New Statesmen, well, I'm to the left of the country, and Robert Jenrick on these issues to now, because he got so much backlash and people within reform advised him to take a different line, saying, I'm basically Naib Bokele, I am the Lord and Order Party, we're going to deport them to El Salvador. I much prefer the latter messaging, but their instincts are to still take the likes of Times Radio and Fraser Nelson seriously. Now, on Fraser Nelson, I always enjoy criticizing Fraser Nelson, though not that he hears my criticisms,
Starting point is 01:13:13 because the last time he insisted the working age population of Britain going up, not working population, by the way, because they aren't working, because of immigration was a good thing, I asked him, if you find yourself asking if all these Mohammeds will abide by British values, you're asking the wrong question, Fraser, and he blocked me. However, lots of people who have also been blocked by Fraser Nelson do the same critique and I have a critique and I also would like to relay a critique from Adam Wren, the person responsible for releasing lots of the grooming gang transcripts who's a real data nerd. So Wren's critique, in a very good thread that he's posted on Twitter of Fraser Nelson, has pointed out that Nelson's assertions, and also Stephen's assertions on Time's Radio,
Starting point is 01:13:49 are based on the ONS crime in England and Wales survey. Now the problem with this is sampling. They don't sample enough broad neighbourhoods, they use a middle layer super output area, basically looking at lower density neighborhoods. They're not sampling the high density urban areas where lots of these crimes are committed. And of course, it's reliant on people who were participating in the survey or reporting the crime in the first place. And lots of people have stopped reporting crime because you get given a crime number and the police sit back down at their desk, eat a digestive and put you on a watch list for sending a tweet. So the methodology is entirely subjective. But as we can
Starting point is 01:14:25 see in that graph, there is, as Leila herself said, a small uptick in recent years. Now what's caused that uptick? Immigration, obviously, because we know from the global organized crime index run by the far-right conspiracy outlet the US government that Britain is number one in Western Europe and number two in all of Europe last year for crimes committed by foreign nationals. What that means is that every single uptick in crime caused by a foreign national, whether legal or illegal migrant, because legal migrants commit lots of crimes too, and their second generation offspring who repeat the same economic and criminal patterns as their parents, is a consequence of government policy. Yet again, Fraser, imagine how much crime
Starting point is 01:15:05 would be lower if these people were not here. But no, Fraser Nelson, despite accidentally kicking off the global debate about grooming gangs back with his column late last year, still insists that Britain is undergoing an integration miracle and literally any drill rap in listening social housing inhabiting gang member can just identify as British and is no different from his own wife. What is interesting Connor is that Fraser Nelson then actually gave a defense of Reform UK on Times Radio, but it plays into exactly the point that you have been making for some time, which is that someone like Fraser Nelson just actually views Reform UK as like a sort of doorstop to actual change, actual conservatism, which obviously he would brand something very different.
Starting point is 01:16:01 You know, he would call it the far right. So I wanted to show you exactly how he justifies this and get your response. And of course it happened on Times Radio, where else? I defend Nigel Farage and reform here. I mean, just because some far right lunatics have joined the protest, that doesn't mean to say they're getting into bed with them. I think there are lots of people there who are really dismayed at what's happening with the small boat situation, with the migrant hotel situation. And I think there are lots of people there who are really dismayed at what's happening with the small boat situation, with the migrant hotel situation, and I think there is a risk of pulling into the trap of saying, oh these
Starting point is 01:16:31 guys are all fascists, look at this, they're standing shoulder to shoulder with the far right. In doing that, I think the risk is overlooking the legitimate concerns of people who are just standing up for their community, for their sense of fairness. If you get stuck into the trap of attacking the far right, who by the way absolutely deserve to be a tract, then there is a risk of overlooking the legitimate grievance. Now, the only opportunities ever for extremists in Britain come when governments fail to address a legitimate problem, and that's what's happening here. The small boat situation is a daily scandal.
Starting point is 01:17:09 The migrant hotel situation is an absolute outrage. And I think the surprise is not that the protests aren't happening now, but they haven't been happening a long time previous to this. We've seen this world over in Sweden, like something like six or seven years ago, they were burning down migrant hotels. We haven't seen that in this country. When you offend people's sense of fairness, when people are struggling to put food on the table and they walk past migrant hotels where they're getting fed two hot meals a day, given mobile phones, etc.,
Starting point is 01:17:39 of course you're going to be very angry. And you can't exactly say, please don't be angry because I think there's a guy over there who's a far right person coming in here. Now, Nigel Farage is not the face of extremism in Britain. He's not the face of racism. He is a buffer between us where we are now and the genuine extremists and racists who are waiting to come into the wings. And if it wasn't for Nigel Farage, we would absolutely have Nick Griffin figure larger than life, way more stronger than he is here. Connor, over to you. I know you'll have a lot to say on this one. Oh, that clip is going to live in infamy. Seriously, that clip is, I can't wait for most of right-wing Twitter to
Starting point is 01:18:18 actually have seen that clip because obviously they don't watch Times Radio because they've got better things to do. Let's get it out there, Connor. Let's get it out there. Fraser Nelson just admitting that he's acting as containment and using the accusations of racism and being too far right to keep reform on the liberal conservative plantation. I mean, he wrote a column a few weeks back when Matt Goodwin published his research that said the white British majority will become a minority in their own homeland by 2063, calling Matt Goodwin an unpalatable nativist and saying that Nigel Farage flirts with race politics at his peril and said actually Zia Youssef is the future of the party. How predictable. So basically
Starting point is 01:18:53 if you don't make your unpopular former Muslim chairman who called the police on your most popular MP, if you don't make him the leader, because we for some reason think that because of the mess we've gotten ourselves into with mass immigration and multiculturalism, we have to have immigrant leaders in order to make the case for integration to these immigrant groups who don't want to integrate. If you don't make him the leader in your stead, Nigel, we will call you racist until the heat death of the universe. This is just Fraser Nelson's playbook and his other playbook. And this is a clip down that I posted about 24 hours ago, so people will be able to find it on my Twitter.
Starting point is 01:19:26 In 2016, Fraser Nelson just gave the game away. He was said in an interview that the likes of Cameron's conservatives, through him, had been advised, you don't actually have to address any of the problems that the public have with immigration or multiculturalism or the detrimental effects it has on crime and the economy. Instead, you can just sit there and go,
Starting point is 01:19:46 I hear your concerns. I understand why you're angry and act as a pressure release valve through rhetoric without ever having to change policy. So you can just keep gaslighting people. He's doing that there. He's saying, oh, well, we shouldn't call everyone far right because what will then happen is they'll get so fed up,
Starting point is 01:20:01 they'll run straight to the far right. And we can't have Nigel Farage soak up all this support as a kind of body block to someone odious, of course odious, like Nick Griffin. So what I'm going to do, Fraser Nelson, is I'm going to gatekeep who isn't allowed in reform by leveraging reform's own fear of being called far right against them, ostracize the likes of Matt Goodwin, ingratiate myself as a kind of pseudo spokesperson in the times and sit there and nod and say, I hear your concerns, while telling reform not to adjust legal migration, which he didn't mention, very telling, at all. Fraser Nelson is an agent of containment, and frankly, his containment exercises are
Starting point is 01:20:41 pathetic. We can see right through them. I knew this was a perfect one for you. And I have to say, I really recommend Conor's latest sub stack, our reform UK, finally listening to the online right I read this this morning, Conor very, very good points, of course, do subscribe to Conor Tomlinson on both YouTube and sub stack. and thank you so much for being here today. Conor, really, really, really appreciate it and we'll speak very soon. Okay, now it is time.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Driel, the worst Briton in the world this week. A reminder of your nominations on from Monday's Union Jazz House, Ian Dale from Tuesday, Narenda Kaur from Wednesday, James O'Brien from Thursday, Alistair Campbell. And let me get to some of your comments on this. Leo Ryan writes, James O'Brien has to be the winner this week. No doubt. Then Robert Francis says, James O'Brien, you want to listen to him because he says he wants to be fair and cerebral but he's dreadful. Name one thing wrong with the EU, for example steel plants closing due to price dumping. Green Cloud on this whole issue says I have
Starting point is 01:21:59 lived in three countries, I've been fingerprinted, x-rayed, vaccinated and provided police clearance, certificates, proof of job and bank balances here you just get on a boat. Christina Sullivan says I don't know what Narenda Kohler has done specifically but I've never liked her because she hates dogs. I loved this comment from Eamonn Potts, the name Dan Wooten is actually missing as an option. Well yeah I agree with that but it's my poll. So I get to choose. Purple Devray says, I feel bad for James O'Brien. His looks really show he's got, sorry, his books really show he's got a problem. He's been held captive by an ideology. But Philip Radley says, Alistair Campbell will always get my vote.
Starting point is 01:22:42 And yes, I know there's a lot of competition competition but he is definitely the most odious individual in politics and with massive amounts of blood on his hands and Ali Wiltshire says that Nerinda whatever is awful, vile, retarded, I live in America and the first time I saw that creature I have to say I was taken aback. She reminds me of those monsters in the movie Trolls. Her logic is so backwards she fits in with the bully, she fits in with the bully. She fits in with the bully everyone is always a victim, a nightmare. Okay, so good feedback. But here are your results. In fourth position with 9% of the vote it is Ian Dale of LBC. In third position with 12% of the vote Alistair Campbell. The runner up with 26% of the vote but the overwhelming winner
Starting point is 01:23:25 named the worst Britain in the world this week James O'Brien the ultimate Union jackass with 53% of your vote. Okay we've got one more thing to do this week we are standing by over on Substack where I'm going to team up with the Royal News Network for all of your Royal News. Please do sign up to Substack to watch www.outspoken.live is the address. I hope you have a wonderful weekend though. Back with you live 5pm Monday in the UK. That's midday Eastern, 9am Pacific. Have a very restful time and most importantly I promise to keep fighting for you.

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