Dan Wootton Outspoken - WOKE KING CHARLES SPARKS FURY WITH IMMIGRATION & NO BORDER SPEECH TO FRENCH TRAITOR MACRON

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

VERSO - https://evening.ver.so/outspoken - Use code OUTSPOKEN to save 15% on your first order. BREAKING TODAY: Growing fury over King Charles going woke by claiming there are no borders between France... and the United Kingdom during his hideous state visit with that arrogant little weasel Emmanuel Macron – before referring to the completely made up term of irregular immigration in his state dinner speech. The monarch's decision to tow the Slippery Starmer line comes after he used the 7/7 20th anniversary to accuse those challenging Islamism of stoking division. In his Digest, Dan outlines risks of having a woke king at the same time as a failed socialist government attempts to ruin Great Britain by outlawing so-called Islamophobia and normalising the daily invasion of our southern border. Then the Superstar weigh in: Today the return of Father Calvin Robinson alongside an exciting youthful new voice in British politics, the commentator Ellie Hodges. PLUS: Alex Phillips unleashes on Sadiq Khan in an explosive on air takedown that has gone viral across the globe. Is the world finally waking up to London’s failed mayor? AND: Gregg Wallace fires back at the British Bashing Corporation, as the state broadcaster comes for the Masterchef for smutty jokes having overlooked the paedophilic behaviour of Huw Edwards and Jimmy Saville. THEN IN THE UNCANCELLED AFTERSHOW: Emmanuel Macron disgraces himself at the State Dinner by openly flirting and winking at Catherine, the Princess of Wales, as his so-called wife watched on. And was Catherine making a dig at Meghan Markle with her choice of outfit? We’ll get the lowdown with royal YouTube sensation P-Dina. Sign up to watch at www.outspoken.live. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:43 So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. No sweat, no bias, no censorship. I'm Dan Wood and this is Outspoken Live, episode number 266 and breaking today. Growing fury over King Charles going woke by claiming there are no borders between France and the United Kingdom during his hideous state visit with
Starting point is 00:01:19 that arrogant little weasel, Emmanuel Macron Macron before referring to the completely made up term of irregular immigration in his state dinner speech. We will work together to defend the international rule of law and the multilateral system. Our security services and police will go further still to protect us against the profound challenges of terrorism, organised crime, cyber attacks and of course irregular migration across the English Channel. Charles's decision to toe the slippery Stammer line comes after he used the 7-7 20th anniversary to accuse those challenging Islamism of stoking division.
Starting point is 00:02:07 So in my digest next, the risks of having a woke king at the same time as a failed socialist government attempts to ruin Great Britain by outlawing so-called Islamophobia and normalising this daily invasion of our southern border. Then my superstar panel weigh in today the return of Father Kelvin Robinson alongside an exciting and youthful new voice in British politics the commentator Ellie Hodges. Also coming up on the show today Alex Phillips unleashes Ansadi Khan in an explosive on-air takedown that has gone viral across the globe, so is the world finally waking up to London's failed mayor? Owen Jones speaks out for the first time
Starting point is 00:02:52 about the shock claims that his Piers Morgan uncensored meltdown was as a result of amphetamine use, and Greg Wallace fires back at the British Bashing Corporation as the state broadcaster comes for the MasterChef host for smutty jokes, having overlooked the paedophilic behaviour of Hugh Edwards and Jimmy Savile in the recent past. Then, in the uncancelled aftershow on Substack, could you believe this? That gross dude, that sleazeball Macron, disgracing himself at the state dinner by openly flirting and weakening at Catherine, the Princess of Wales, as his so-called wife, you know, that trans woman, watches on. And what's Catherine making to dig at Meghan Markle with her choice of outfit?
Starting point is 00:03:43 So we're going to get the low down on the state visit and that royal banquet last night with YouTube sensation P Diner, you can sign up to watch ad free live and on demand at www dot outspoken dot live. Of course, we will also be revealing today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass at the end of the show. And your nominees today are Wes Streeting, Emmanuel Macron, and Rory Stewart. I will bring you the reasons why and who nominated them later on in the show but you can get voting right now in the live chat on YouTube. But now let's go!
Starting point is 00:04:39 There are days when my heart aches that we no longer have Queen Elizabeth II as our head of state. I'm sure you agree. I mean, this woman was the walking, talking definition of anti-woke. A woman who would never put her personal passions or her personal thoughts ahead of the importance of keeping our monarchy politically neutral. Sadly, the same cannot be said for her son, King Charles III. Now my position on this has been clear. I am a royalist, I am a monarchist, and I pray that our monarch survives and thrives. God save the king, because I believe in the institution. But as an independent journalist I also believe in holding power to account. And as it stands Charles is risking our entire system of government.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Now this is not new, this has always been a huge concern of mine and I have been public about it. Sadly my column for the Daily Mail when I was still operating within the MSM in June 2022 looks particularly prescient now, when after the Prince, then Prince of Wales, slammed Boris Johnson's Rwanda scheme, I wrote, as a Royalist I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to doubt that Prince Charles has the capacity to become King Charles III without threatening the future of the British monarchy. become King Charles III without threatening the future of the British monarchy. Now Charles had an impressive start under the Tories where his political interference remained at a low level, but sadly he has been empowered by this socialist mob, this Labour government mob as he cozies up to the hard left cabinet agitators Angela
Starting point is 00:06:27 Reiner and Ed Miliband. Just this week, the King used the 7-7-20th anniversary to accuse those challenging Islamism of stoking division while skipping the memorial service for the 52 innocents killed that day by Islamist terrorists at St Paul's Cathedral. That came after months of what has felt like the Church of England boss becoming increasingly positive and increasingly, I would argue, backing Islam over our national religion. Then last night at the state banquet where slippery starmer rolled out the red carpet for that short little traitor and sleazeball Emmanuel Macron who is allowing an invasion into our country of terrorists
Starting point is 00:07:18 rapists and murderers on a daily basis he declared our head of state actually declared, that there are no borders between our two countries. Now Your Majesty, I respect your role, which not just means that you would be out of a job, but means our entire country is unprotected. Then delivering his speech at the state banquet, he decided to use Sipri Stama's new term for the invasion, a regular migration, instead of calling it what it actually is, illegal. We will work together to defend the international rule of law and the multilateral system. Our security services and police will go further still
Starting point is 00:08:27 to protect us against the profound challenges of terrorism, organised crime, cyber attacks, and of course irregular migration across the English Channel. And with that, the gloves finally came off. Stephen Barrett posted the King must not be political. The King is impartial, non-partisan, loyal to all his subjects, and in turn the people and the armed forces are loyal to him. The King should not be being used the way he is being used. Adam Brooks wrote, I really dislike how King. Stay out of politics. You don't speak for the majority of us Charles. Hashtag woke King. And even the next leader of
Starting point is 00:09:15 the Conservatives Robert Jenwick refused to defend the King this morning on talk. He said that word irregular Robert. I wish people wouldn't use that. Macron used it as well. Why do they keep pretending it's not illegal? Oh look it drives me mad that is what all of these international courts and organisations like to say. It's what Stammer says because they cannot bring themselves to say that it is illegal to break into another country. If you or I did it, of course we would expect to be arrested if we broke into the United States or another country. It's obviously against the law. It's been against the law in our country for a very long time,
Starting point is 00:09:54 my whole lifetime. We should just have the honesty to say it. And in fact, I changed the law when I was immigration minister to say that if you do enter our country illegally, for example, on a small boat, you should should never ever have the right to claim asylum. Starmer has repealed that, who is in the process of doing that with his borders bill, completely wrong. We need to send a very clear message to people thinking of doing this. You will never have a right to live in our country. Even one of the establishment's most prominent columnists, Sarah Vine, then slammed Charles as woke.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I think they're not. They're bleeding regular. They come every day. I have to say I'm a bit worried about the level of wokeness coming out of the palace at the moment. I don't really, I mean, you know, he could say, he could have said uncontrolled hybrid. That would have been fine. What's wrong with illegal? That's what they are, isn't it? Okay, if you wanted to soften it, you could have soft uncontrolled migration. That would have been fine. What's wrong with illegal? That's what they are, isn't it? OK, but if you wanted to soften it, you could have softened it like that.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Instead of which he goes, you know, he parrots the Labour line. Yeah. And I just, you know, I don't... The King should be neutral. He shouldn't be... I mean, and we all know that Charles has got sort of quite a sort of... He's quite a soft-hearted man, that's completely fine, but it just seemed to me that he was just being quite woke.
Starting point is 00:11:09 And I don't want that from my king. No, I don't. I mean, if it was the king, I mean, we would still... But the scum is not a royalist. And, you know, you're just, you know, you're messing your patch if you do that. Yeah, exactly. And you're sort of playing into the hands of the people who think that there's a conspiracy by the establishment in this country. Well I'm sorry I do not believe it is some sort of globalist conspiracy to say those in power no longer want to stop the invasion.
Starting point is 00:11:40 These puppets have made it clear they do not not believe in borders, that's why they put our country at risk. And none of the defeatist language from the King has done our country any good, as Macron still ended up blaming Sipri Stama for the migrant crisis. And as Alex Philips put it, Macron is right. The UK must stop being the El Dorado of illegal migrants, compare where they live in Calais to full board hotels with free phones, driving lessons, yoga classes, pocket money, freebies and black market jobs in Britain. We are in deep trouble and we need the King to stop giving in to woke forces and start
Starting point is 00:12:30 standing up for his country and our borders which must be defended. Now the Superstar Panel. Ellie Hodges, political commentator and father Calvin Robinson join me now. Father Calvin, the woke king. How much does this put our United Kingdom and our entire system at risk? It puts our very well life at risk, unfortunately, And this is not the latest mishap. He also made some disturbing comments over the 7-7 bombings, didn't he? But it's actually quite right. There is no border between France and Britain. But this is the problem. This is the problem that we want to, many of us want addressing. There should be a border because, as you quite rightly point out, there is no such thing as a kingdom without borders. There's no nation
Starting point is 00:13:28 without borders. And so if we want to become a member of the United States of Europe, if we want to be globalists, part of a wider federation, fair enough. But I believe the people of Britain voted against that in 2016. And the establishment from the politicians to the monarchy have been fighting against it ever since. The King has no mandate to force us to be globalists, to force us to be part of a post-nation world. Many of us are proud to be British, many of us are proud to be English, many of us are proud of our heritage, our lineage, our ancestry, our history, our culture and our faith. And if the king isn't, perhaps it's time for him to abdicate.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Ellie Hodges, so good to have you on Outspoken for the first time. Are you a supporter of the monarchy? Yes, I am. I really am. But I'm not a supporter of King Charles, and I think that a lot of people feel that way. And with his recent speech, it's just that word irregular again. I hate that word. It is not a regular, it is illegal.
Starting point is 00:14:33 And even if you want to kind of soften things up and say it's a regular, it still doesn't make any sense. In the first six months of this year, we had over 20,000 people come up on our shores. That is not irregular, there's people coming on a daily basis so in no way at all can it be classed as irregular but I do think that we've all known that the king is woke. He has been for ages, he was woke before it was considered cool. He did an interview in the 80s saying about how he talks to his plants and he feels like they respond.
Starting point is 00:15:06 So this isn't anything particularly new, but I understand completely why everyone's so outraged about it. Yeah, I mean, I do understand that. Absolutely, I do. Father Kelvin, of course, amongst the outspoken audience, there has been real concerns about the proximity that Charles seems to be getting, especially to Islam. And I think that's why the 7-7 statement yesterday was a bit of a dagger to people, actually, because it's like, what? What? You're blaming us for the division?
Starting point is 00:15:51 You're not blaming the homegrown Islamists who want to blow us up and on 7.7 actually did blow us up into smithereens? Always the way, isn't it? That statement. While the horrors will never be forgotten, we may take comfort from the way such events rally communities together in solidarity, solace, etc. etc. We reaffirm our commitment to building a society where people of all faiths and backgrounds can live together. I don't know when we made that commitment.
Starting point is 00:16:22 I don't want to reaffirm our commitment to build a society for people of all faiths. I believe our society is a Christian nation and we have Christian values. That doesn't mean that everyone has to subscribe to that, but we all have to agree that those are the values that our nation was built upon. And I don't believe in a multi-faith society. I don't believe in a multicultural society. I don't believe those things exist and or function well. I think you need a predominant culture, a predominant faith. Ours is the British culture, the English culture and the English faith, which is Christianity. This watering down, this diluting of everything that is English and British and Christian is against our way of life and this is the King's job to protect our way of life.
Starting point is 00:17:01 He's supposed to be a symbol of all things British and of all things English and of all things Christian. He is of course the supreme governor of the Church of England who swears a pledge of allegiance not just to the people of this land but to the Christian God in both England and in Scotland and its different traditions. So he's kind of undermining his own role in this and I'm with Eli entirely in that the language is problematic because not only is he Leading towards Islam at every approach and we saw this throughout Eid we saw it throughout Ramadan We saw that he makes very little effort over Easter But promotes Islam at every opportunity from packing dates for the for the Mohammedans during Ramadan to making statements about Easter
Starting point is 00:17:40 They include Islam somehow, but not only is the language problem problematic from that angle But in this latest statement, which he does have full authority over, you know, the speech that he made in the French visit is a King's speech that he can write and or have the final edit over. It's not like the King's speech in Parliament, which is written for him by the Prime Minister. This is his own words, his own sign off, And so for him to suggest somehow that we have no border and that our country isn't sovereign is him undermining that very authority of himself and our nation. It's absurd. It really is. I don't know where he's coming from. It seems to me that he's gone wet. Yes, he has always been woke, but it seems that he's gone even further down that rabbit hole of disliking our nation,
Starting point is 00:18:29 which is what the liberal elites like. The metropolitan liberal elites, our former queen and our former queen's consort were very sound on this kind of stuff. And we know Prince Philip was very much against anything that was woke, anything that was progressive. It seems that the king didn't learn a lesson or two from his late beloved father. Well, the whole point of the monarchy is to keep traditions going. So if they sign up to a woke ideology, it's like you do realize you were writing your own death warrant. That's what's going on. And the reporting actually from within government is particularly fascinating when it comes to King Charles. This decision to cozy up with Ed Miliband
Starting point is 00:19:12 and turn Angela Rayner into your new little project is terrifying. It does suggest that Stammer wants this government, sorry, that Charles wants this government to be even more to the left than where Stammer is at. We need to talk about this sleazeball though, this complete sleazeball Macron. Now, I want to show you his behaviour at the state banquet last night. So remember, his trans wife is sitting across from him and is quite a big distance. And so he decides to be, in my view, completely inappropriate with Catherine, the Princess of Wales, remembering that this is her first state banquet appearance since 2023.
Starting point is 00:19:56 The first time wearing the tiara, he's clearly completely enamored with her, He's clearly completely enamored with her, is openly flirting with William and Brigitte on the other side of the table. He then winks at her and remember earlier in the day he had already kissed her hand and I know that is a French custom but to me this behaviour Ellie was sleazy, it was creepy and given everything that's been going on with Emmanuel Macron's personal life recently, given the fact that this so-called trans woman slapped him as he was getting off the plane the other day, could he not just behave for one night, especially around the Princess of Wales who's making her first big appearance?
Starting point is 00:20:44 especially around the Princess of Wales who's making her first big appearance? It just embodies kind of everything he's about. It's just absolutely no respect whatsoever. He kind of gives off such an arrogant approach to everything and I don't even really understand why we're rolling out the red carpet for him anyway. The UK has committed nearly 77070 million to France since 2018 to tackle our small boat crisis and I think we need to ask for our money back, not roll out the red carpet at all. And that behaviour is just disgusting and it looks awful as well. Father Calvin, what do you make of the behaviour of Macron, who, let's be honest, has a very unusual personal life. I mean, it was unusual before these French journalists decided to look into the past of Brigitte Macron, who
Starting point is 00:21:35 was most likely a man. But why on earth are you flirting with Catherine? Why on earth are you winking with Catherine? with your wife across the table? It's almost like he gets off on it. It's bizarre Yeah, I think it was uncouth. I think he went against protocol and there's very clear etiquette on how to greet The princess herself. I don't know if he was flirting. I think Macron is homosexual. I don't know if you'd be flirting with princess. But it certainly wasn't appropriate behavior. No, it wasn't. It really wasn't. Avatar, by the way, has sent a super chat in on this saying, Charles, I funded wars with our money.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Anyway, Charles III is the traitor king, the Islamic king. Should we taboo the name Charles from the monarchy feels like it. Sorry, I've just realized what Abbott was saying. He doesn't mean Charles I funded wars. Of course, he means Charles the first funded wars with our money. Sorry, was a bit stupid there, but very, very good point. And by the way, Charles the first also died for the faith. He's a martyr, King Charles the Martyr. I think he went against the establishment when it wanted him to take the church work. He fought and died for the church and for the Christian faith. So I actually have a lot
Starting point is 00:22:54 of respect for King Charles I and King Charles II. I think King Charles III is dirtying and sullying the name, the great name. And by the way, Macron is up for our uni in Jackass. I do have the reasons why now on the nomination. So let me just take them through, take you through them very quickly. Macron nominated by Thomas W. 303, because amongst everything else, he breaks royal protocol by walking in front of King Charles.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Then you've got Rory Stewart nominated by Matt Cass because he's a strange looking weirdo whose podcast is a back patting session, very dangerous for society. And Wes Streeting nominated by Blame Game, who says it's Groundhog Day, less than a year after Streeting capitulated to the junior doctors, they have overwhelmingly voted to strike again. Is there anything this Labour government can get right? So get voting for those union jacquard nominations in the YouTube live chat and I will bring you the
Starting point is 00:23:56 results at the end of the show. Sadiq Khan is now an international laughing stock and he deserves to be after Alex Phillips issued one of the greatest mainstream media takedowns of a politician in history. But I want to set up the background to what resulted in Alex losing her shit for very good reason on talk. Because the British Bashing Corporation finally revealed at the weekend what we all know, that rape gangs across London are prevalent. Watch. of children in London being criminally and sexually exploited and there is a mismatch between the ways the Met and London's local authorities recalled child abuse. But remember this is something that Sadiq Khan had been denying existed at all. Indeed he claimed he didn't even know what grooming gangs meant in conversation with his London mayoral rival for the Conservative Susan Hall,
Starting point is 00:25:25 who posted after that report, really? If you recall, Sadiq Khan pretended not to know what I was talking about when I quizzed him on it. And I think it's really important just to remind everyone of the arrogant, condescending and completely irresponsible behaviour on this issue from London's Muslim Mayor Watch. I asked you this question last week and you found every which way but not to answer it. Just how many grooming gangs have we got in London? With all due respect, can she define what she means by that? Yes, if you look at what's gone on in Rotherham, where there are people taking young girls,
Starting point is 00:26:09 grooming them for sex, that is what I'm talking about. Well, we know in London there are issues about exploitation of young people, but they're not as defined by the member in her definition of what those types of gangs are. So are you saying we haven't got the same sort of gangs that are in Rotherham, Bradford and lots of other places in the country? Just for your understanding, what does she mean by that? You know full well what I mean by that. It's all over the television. You know exactly what I mean by that. These gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex. Do we actually have
Starting point is 00:26:47 those in London? I'm unclear what is meant by the question if she could spell it out I can answer. I've just spelt it out are you not listening it's a sort of gangs that groom young girls at a young age for sex exactly how much clearer do you want me to be? I watched that and I just think you reprehensible son of a bitch. You disgusting man who will put your politics ahead of the safety of young girls. It's sick. And finally, finally someone shared that passion in the mainstream media because for far too long Sadiq Khan has got away with his rubbish because he is considered untouchable in part because of his ethnicity, in part because of his politics and in part because of his
Starting point is 00:27:44 religion. But when Alex Phillips, who is of course a regular here on Outspoken and will be back next week, when she used her platform in the mainstream media on talk to finally tell the truth about Sadiq Khan, her emotional moment went viral all across the globe. Watch. That makes me so livid I could cry. That disgusting human being who happens to be the Mayor of London, who also happens to hold the title of the Police and Crime Commissioner as part of that role, that responsibility, obfuscating, gaslighting, bullying, belittling these little girls, underage minors, being raped by gangs in our capital city. You do not play games over this.
Starting point is 00:28:34 If this was anybody else in any other position of authority, that clip alone should have seen his head roll. London Mayor, you are a disgrace! You're disgusting. You do not deserve to be in that position. Not when the welfare, the wellbeing, the dignity, the integrity, the safety and the innocence of children in the capital city is at stake. You are the most deplorable, despicable, horrible human being to answer that question like that. Now you get back in that seat, you answer the question properly, you get the stats, you hold the police to account. That is what you're supposed to be doing. That is what I'm paying you to do. As someone who pays taxes living
Starting point is 00:29:13 in London, I should expect no less. The country should expect no less. You disgust me. Right, I've got you. Trust me. Right of God. Yes Alex Phillips. Yes. Finally. Finally. Ellie Hodges, as a young woman, how do you feel when you hear Sadiq Khan gaslight Susan Hall in that manner? Pretend that he doesn't even know what grooming gangs are, let alone that they are completely
Starting point is 00:29:43 widespread across the city that he is in charge of. Hmm. Every time I see that clip, it's just a mix of so much anger and sadness put together because you try and be optimistic about, okay, maybe we can get Susan Hawes there because I think she's absolutely amazing. And then I applaud her for being able to sit there and ask the questions about the grooming gangs, I think about nine times without getting a proper answer because I don't think I could ever do that. But the issue is that I don't know how we can get Sadiq Khan out because you look, he's got such a core voter base that are continually going to vote for him. You look at areas such as Tower Hamlets,
Starting point is 00:30:26 where he gets about 70% of the vote. And that's also an area where these rape gangs are rife. So it's really sad because you just think, how can we get him out? Because he's just such an arrogant and ignorant. And I don't even think he's ignorant. I mean, he understands exactly what's going on. Yeah, he puts himself and his politics before the,
Starting point is 00:30:47 I just, I have no words, the horrible situation that these little young girls have been put through. And this isn't just been happening in the last five, 10 years. This has been happening for decades. And to think that it still isn't happening now, especially in London, is just absolutely naive. And it just angers me so much. I just get so frustrated by it.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Father Calvin, do you think the world is waking up? I hope so. I think Elia's absolutely spot on there, but I have an answer to her question when she said, I don't know how he gets Sadiq Khan out. The answer is we deport him. You mentioned, Dan, that he's sticking by his politics, putting his politics first. He's not. He's putting his background first. He's not. He's putting his background first. He is a Pakistani Muslim man. This is fundamentally the problem. There should be no Pakistani Muslim men in Britain. They make up 4% of the demographics of the nation, yet 65% of the child sexual exploitation and child sexual abuse. This is disproportionate. We should say the borders are instantly closed to Pakistani Muslim men
Starting point is 00:31:46 and any Pakistani Muslim men in Britain should be deported with immediate effect. There is no place for that culture, that faith, that ideology in this country, in our country. It is despicable that he will sit there and argue semantics about what do you mean by grooming gangs? We all know exactly what is meant by grooming gangs. These cohorts of predominantly Pakistani Muslim men who groom young British girls, rape them, abuse them, and sometimes even murder them with a massive cover-ups by local counselors,
Starting point is 00:32:18 some of which happen to be Pakistani Muslim men, police, some of which happen to be Pakistani Muslim men, even up to the House of Lords, some of whom happened to be Pakistani Muslim men. There's no place for it. It's time to say enough is enough. We've got to be strict with our borders. Forget the king who's saying there is no border. We have to protect our borders and say you have to go. And I think it was a rare moment of sanity in the mainstream media. And that's why it went viral because we really don't get much of it anymore.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Even from places where we used to work, Father Coven, where we had hope, you know, the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, Talk TV, GB News, even those mainstream media platforms have pivoted to the centre. And I think the ultimate example of it this week came on LBC, which I describe as the Labour broadcasting company. There's this dude called Ian Dale, who tries to act and pretend as if he's a conservative when he's nothing of the sort. And he had a fascinating exchange with the independent podcaster Andrew gold about whether we should be concerned at all Where the people come to this country and learn our language watch this
Starting point is 00:33:35 It is unrecognizable I happen to live in in a town where that has happened Like it really has happened and then it is brought to life. You see that we walk out of the street You know, there is nobody speaking English for I'm from Somerset. I'm used to spend a lot of time I've never been on street We told me before you were there you were there 15 years ago. I said to you the demographics have changed Why do you care I mean to me if I hear somebody not speaking English, my first thought is, oh I wonder what language that is. It's not, I want this person out of my country.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Right, but what about when you see the English in loads of towns around Spain just chatting English, doing their thing, not adapting to the Spanish culture. The Spanish want them out. Father Calvin, he claims, Ian Dale claims to be a Conservative. He's just got slighting us isn't he? Bless him, he may vote for Conservative for all's just got slighting us, isn't he? Bless him. He may vote for Conservative for all we know, but the Conservative Party hasn't been Conservative in a long time anyway, so who knows what that means. Ian Dale is still playing by the old rules of you must accept diversity, inclusion and equity. You must accept multiculturalism,
Starting point is 00:34:38 otherwise you are a racist, xenophobic bigot. And he's playing that game very well. racist, xenophobic bigot and he's playing that game very well. Say, well, why would you want to think that? When I think about people speaking another language, I think, oh, I wonder what they're speaking. It's an absolute utter nonsense. I was in the UK last week. You can go from one end of London to the other end of London and not hear a single English accent, never mind English language.
Starting point is 00:35:03 It's not very good. It's not good. You should be allowed to say that. In England, you should expect to hear people speaking English, you should expect to see English people. Now in the capital city, English people are in the minority already. That should concern people who want England to remain English, and that's not racist, it's not xenophobic, it's not bigoted and if it is so what I accept all those labels because I wouldn't go to Japan and say you guys have to become more English or more British or more white. Of course that would be absurd, protect Japan for the Japanese and the same for every London culture and these people like Ian Dale they accept that for foreign
Starting point is 00:35:40 cultures and foreign people. Why do they not allow it for us? Why are we not allowed it? Because it's the self-hatred of the metropolitan liberal elite, that Islington bubble that want to destroy our country, destroy our way of life, and they are the underminers in every step of the way. The problem is they are destroying us. I mean, Ellie Hodges, how do you feel about this? Like, about this, like, as a young person, do you feel concerned when you see lots of young men who aren't from this country speaking another language or are you like Ian Daly and you think, oh, that's nice, wonder where they're from? Of course I do. And I think that in that clip that you just showed, he just comes across as an individual in the mainstream media who think that they are morally superior. And I think that in that clip that you just showed, he just comes across as an individual in the mainstream media who think that they are morally superior. And there are too many
Starting point is 00:36:28 people like that. And I think he would find it concerning if he went to some of these places where no one speaks a word of English. There's I think one million people in this country currently that don't speak a single word of English. And I suspect it's much more than that as well. And you come to see certain towns and certain streets even in London where there is a whole street of people that do not speak English, all of the shops aren't English, it's basically the exact same as where they where they came from or whatever country they came from and that is extremely concerning because it means
Starting point is 00:37:00 that you're losing all culture that we currently have in this country and the English culture that we have and that is the complete opposite integration and that's what we need to be speaking about is that these people that are here, how can we integrate them because at the moment, even if I come here right now, if I came here from a different country and I knew that I could live on a street where everyone spoke my language all my shops from home were there but I was getting extra benefits and some pocket money of course I would come so I don't blame those people but we've created a situation where that can happen and where people can get on with life without speaking a word of English. Hilariously Rupert Lowe has today been described as the most extreme MP in the country and he's just like, yep, I am and I embrace it, who cares?
Starting point is 00:37:48 And he took a very stark position on this posting, if you live in England, you should speak English, obviously, linking to this now infamous BBC video of him versus Ash Sarker, watch. The NHS exists to provide the best possible care to patients now some of those patients will feel more comfortable speaking in their native language. I don't care. I have no interest in that. Well fine like they should speak English they live in England they should speak English. Who cares I have no interest in that I love it and I think Rupert's really
Starting point is 00:38:22 unrelenting approach is one of the reasons why Reform UK seems to be in big trouble, according to these new figures. GB Politics spelled this out. Let me show you. Reform UK's membership has decreased by nearly 10,000 in the past month. The Reform life ticker is now going down with yearly subscriptions not being renewed. Why do you think Reform are losing members? Reform's subscription service works on an annual basis so if you cancel the ticket does not show this instantaneously but when your year is up, Reform's total membership has dropped nearly 10,000 in the last month. Before the election they had just under 40,000 members. When you consider that the number will be going up straight away when new members join but only down when the yearly membership runs out. This means that they have likely lost
Starting point is 00:39:12 over 10,000 of those pre-election members. And there does seem to be big trouble within Reform UK, Father Calvin Robinson, and I don't think this new interview from Nigel Farage today where he boasts about being more left-wing within Reform UK, Father Calvin Robinson. And I don't think this new interview from Nigel Farage today, where he boasts about being more left wing than the Conservative Party, is going to help matters to you. Absolutely not, it's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:39:36 He's got Rupert Lowe and Ben Habeib on his right, flanking him. He should be leaning back towards the right to get his core demographic reunited, but he's not. He's leaning further to the left, as I've been saying all along. He doesn't understand who his voters are. It's very, very sad because people are putting an opinion, a lot of hope on reform, and they are not the answer. Of course, there is no political answer at this point, but reform are certainly not it.
Starting point is 00:40:01 I do like Rupert's, nobody cares Margaret moment because we're sick not it. I do like Rupert's nobody cares Margaret moment because we're sick of it. Nobody does care anymore. The mainstream media and the lefty lovies can keep peddling their same old tropes and their cliches but it has no power over us anymore. We're done with it. Of course it's obvious that if you're in English you should speak English. And to see someone like Rupert Lowe, someone so mainstream and centrist saying it is a good thing. It means eyes are opening, minds are opening, hearts are opening, the British are awakening, and this is going to be dangerous for the lefties.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Absolutely. And I just love the way Rupert deals with those on the left. Every time he does this, I'm like, Nigel, take a leaf out of this book. Stop caring what the mainstream media think because they hate you. So Rupert was named the most extreme MP in the country, right? And rather than shy away from it, this is what he has posted since we've been on air today. I've been called Britain's most extreme MP by hope not hate, a nutter by Nigel Farage for my stance on illegal migrant mass deportations, a racist by Emily Maitlis over my views on the Pakistani rape gangs. I am honestly so past caring what these people think about me.
Starting point is 00:41:13 I want every illegal migrant in the country deported, if that makes me an Nusser, then so be it. Pass me the pistachios Nigel. I want Pakistani rapists removed to Pakistan, not just the rapists but the foreign family members who knew and failed to act they Have to go to all of them does that make me racist who even knows anymore It does not matter none of these names matter the vast majority of Brits agree with me Illegal migrants deported foreign rapists removed if that's you I hope you will consider joining our restore Britain movement where we will unapologetically make these arguments to the British people. Extreme, nutter, racist, oh well, I just honestly do not care. I say let's go for the full house and get called a scumbag by James O'Brien."
Starting point is 00:41:59 And isn't that just brilliant, Ali? It's very Trumpian. Like, is Rupert Lowell Donald Trump? I'm not sure. I mean, I agree with everything he's saying there. And I do have big criticisms of reform and I have actually got rid of my membership. So by no means am I saying- So you're one of them. You're out.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Yes. Yeah. So by no means am I saying that reform is perfect because I don't think they are. But I do think that they are the only shot that we have. And I think at the moment, because I think that they're the only party that has the kind of momentum. And I think it'd be really hard to start a new party on the right. There'll be too many. It's just a massive split in the right moment. You've seen Ben Habeib's party I like repot lows restore Britain because I think that is a very
Starting point is 00:42:47 Mature kind of thing to do a cross party movement and I think that's what this part of this and country needs as well And but I'm not sure that repot lows our next Trump I think he embodies a lot of Trump's kind of Characteristics and I loved that tweet because I think that's what a lot of people feel like if you know what so be it I don't care and that that's what everyone's thinking at the moment. So yeah, because I So impacted isn't he father Calvin by the words of his enemies who are always going to hate him Absolutely, and they don't have momentum They literally have the opposite of momentum if they've just lost 10,000 members and that's the ones we know about because their life their year-long subscriptions so I
Starting point is 00:43:27 suspect they'll be more they the momentum is going in the inverse they're losing whatever they built up and that's a shame sure but it means that there is room there for parties on the right to stand up and grow and I don't actually buy into this splitting of the right anymore splitting the votes anymore I just think the more we have standing up the more people we have standing up and saying things like what Rupert Lowe is saying, what Ben Habeib is saying and what Nick Tancone is saying between these parties, we can build a real momentum on the right as well as the uniting the kingdom movement that Tommy Robinson is backing and Jordan Peterson is coming over
Starting point is 00:44:00 in September for like we have to gather people, wake them up, get them voting, get them out, rather than sitting aside and waiting for Nigel Farage to do what Nigel Farage is never going to do, because he's always going to put his own interests above those of the nation. The incredibly frustrating thing is it's like all of those things Father Calvin mentions are helping to move the Overton window so significantly, yet Nigel Farage just keeps on slamming that door, throwing it all back in our faces. I don't get it. I do not get it. And boasting to the New Statesmen about how you are on the left of the Conservative Party, well I'm sorry you just keep opening up this gap on the right.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Someone is going to fill it because we need a true Conservative revolution, and I mean small c conservative. We need a true revolution on the right. Breaking today, Owen Jones has finally responded in detail to claims that it was drugs that resulted in his bizarre meltdown on Piers Morgan uncensored. Now you'll remember that he has denied being on cocaine following suggestions from Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling. But it was totally obvious watching this appearance on Piers Morgan that something was up. And Piers Morgan was a pretty sympathetic interviewer to be honest, he kept saying he had respect for Owen Jones which I found really
Starting point is 00:45:37 sickening given the ridiculous points that Owen Jones were trying to put forward defending Hamas as per but at the end of the day I Don't think that was all and Owen Jones has now admitted that he was on drugs He just claims they were drugs speed That were prescribed medically do you you buy it? Here's his explanation. Rather than deal with the substance of what I was saying, she instead decided to, and I am not exaggerating here, promote claims that I had snorted cocaine before my appearance.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Someone had treated a clip of the interview in which they wrote, someone's feeling energetic. I mean, okay, that's already in nudge nudge wink wink territory. And she quote tweeted it adding, I've never seen film footage before where only one character has been sped up to 30 times natural speed. Very droll, obviously deciding it was still a little light and innuendo. Someone with destroying wokeness in their bio responded with, the secret ingredient must be a white powder and rolling five back, well he is known as talcumX. Now I would actually hand it to her for this being pretty funny if it wasn't for the fact that I'm afraid to say this is ripped off material. Some activists in the US labelled writer Sean King talcumX many years ago, that's a label
Starting point is 00:47:03 which has been circulating for years as a result. Now, I don't want to get panicky here, but you kind of hope a celebrated writer might just come up with their own material, but you know, whatever. You do you. On the specifics, if I was self-destructive enough to snort cocaine before doing immediate appearance, then I would have an addiction. I take 40 milligrams of Elvins a day. So technically, yes, I did take stimulants before going on air, not cocaine,
Starting point is 00:47:24 but if we're going to get all technical amphetamines courtesy of the National Health Service. And it certainly did look as if something was an ARP and of course, amphetamines used to treat the ADHD that Jones claims that he has. But isn't that meant to calm you down? That's not what happened. I prefer to wait. I'm getting excited. Huge reaction to this on the right of British politics because it's like finally this weasel has been totally exposed for what he is. James Dreyfuss posted, I'm not sure I've ever come across a human being so utterly
Starting point is 00:48:09 devoid of humor, self-awareness or humility. I'm pretty sure JK Rowling made it clear it wasn't her original nickname as she wrote, well he is known as Talum X. He should be studied in a secure sterilized tank 24-7. Chris Rose added, I've read the recent speculation about Owen Jones. It's utterly unfair to associate cocaine with something as harmful as Owen Jones. And Brendan O'Neil have spiked online he wasn't buying this idea that we should all just say oh yeah it's totally normal for someone in their 40s to claim that they need ADHD medication. In a piece for the website he wrote Owen Jones embodies the wild-eyed mania of Israel phobia. his mad squirming performance with Piers Morgan proves that Israel hate rots the brain. And he added, that's what Jones' performance on Morgan's show brought
Starting point is 00:49:15 home to me. The sheer mania of the bourgeoisie's hatred for Israel. There is much speculation about why Jones seemed so unstable. He appeared frenzied, tormented, almost smashing his glass at one point. This has led some, including J.K. Rowling, to wonder if he had partaken of the white stuff before going on air. Actually, Jones has since tweeted he was on amphetamines for my ADHD. Taking drugs in your 40s for that most middle class of imaginary molasses? Mate, just pretend you did coke instead of admitting that. For those of us uninterested in the fashionable ailments and neuroses of the Oxbridge classes, i.e. all normal people, the most striking thing about Jones's performance was less its physical twitching than its moral frenzy. He came off like a man possessed, a mad preacher, come to cast out Zionism.
Starting point is 00:50:14 It was giving Malarian vibes, a man in black barely able to sit still as he furiously held forth on the unholiness of Israel and all who supported. Just say Israel is committing genocide, he barked to Morgan at one point, and it sounded for all the world like a command to convort. Renounce the devil and join the saved. That's what the pious loathers of Israel mean when they implore us lost souls to say the G word. Now here's a reminder of what JK Rowling had actually posted about the appearance. She was replying to someone who said someone's feeling energetic and she said I've never seen film footage before where only one character has been sped up 30 times natural speed. So Father Calvin Robinson, this is quite a fascinating one
Starting point is 00:51:08 because Jones lost the argument. There's no doubt about that, given that Piers Morgan wasn't even really attempting to prove him wrong. It's like Jones lost because he was just so manic. But it's sort of true, isn't it? What Brendan O'Neill is saying. it's like, okay, we all accept that you weren't taking illegal drugs. But this is I think, one of the
Starting point is 00:51:33 scourges of the hard left today, this decision to walk hand in hand with Big Pharma, because effectively, you're an adult claiming you have ADHD, a condition that lots of very sound medical professionals question whether it's actually legitimate, especially for someone of that age, and you're taking state prescribed amphetamines speed as a result. I honestly thought this was something that was prescribed to high school students so they can get through their examinations
Starting point is 00:52:11 by sitting in an exam hall and not going hyperactive. I didn't know it was something that a 40-odd-year-old man took on prescription, probably from the NHS. I'm genuinely curious as to what the purpose of that is. Maybe he struggles to perform in his journalistic duties. Maybe he almost smashes glasses and goes all hyperactive unless he takes his medication. In which case, is he saying that he was on this medication and it made him like that, where perhaps it's not working? Or is it that something else
Starting point is 00:52:42 was interfering with that medication? Perhaps J. Perhaps JK Rowling is right. Who knows? His reaction is more strange than his performance on Morgan. It's all very peculiar. Yeah, what did you make of it all, Ellie? Well, when I first put on the interview, I genuinely did think it was sped up. And I sometimes watch my videos sped up, so I went to turn it down. And then I realized, oh, this is this is just how he speaks. And then when he got
Starting point is 00:53:09 knocked over the water, or whatever it was, it was just it was all very, very weird. And I found the whole interview really fascinating, because Piers Morgan wasn't really pressuring him that much. And he was kind of saying, I actually agree with you on this. And then I Owen Jones started sort of shouting at him, busting in, getting really irritated and I thought, what are you doing? He's literally saying he's agreeing with you with the majority of things. And then this kind of clarification that he was, you know, on ADHD meds and not doing drugs and it's, if he is on ADHD meds and that that's all he took it's clearly not working
Starting point is 00:53:45 and he needs to either change his medication or come off it completely because yeah just live in the real world that's what mr jones just live in the real world actually as a 40-something year old man i think you're the same age as me it really is unnecessary to be taking state prescribed amphetamines seriously. But Ali Hodges, look, we met at a new cultural forum event recently. I was very, very impressed by you because you were crazily young, right? How old are you? Remind me. 17. I know. It's extraordinary. You're amazing. You are just a future political superstar. And I think you have a huge future ahead of you, which is why I
Starting point is 00:54:26 wanted to be the first to be able to say I had Ellie Hodges on Outspoken and we were part of her discovery. I really feel like you are going to be the British version of Brett Cooper, who's obviously become this big force since leaving the Daily Wire. But the other reason I wanted to have you on is because I want to try and understand how your generation thinks because it is a lot of teenagers who put Owen Jones on some sort of pedestal. Why? Why? What is it about someone like him that is so appealing to people of your age? So I'm trying to understand this myself, to be honest, but I think that a lot of young people, especially people that are at university,
Starting point is 00:55:12 they want to have a purpose, they want to have something to kind of fight for, and they kind of cling themselves onto, you know, pro-Palestine movements or the trans movement, because it feels like they've got a purpose. And I think it's really sad because there's a lot of better things that you could be doing and I think obviously the education system plays such a big role in it. I mean I've gone through it and I've seen you know friends that
Starting point is 00:55:38 do not have any interest in politics whatsoever become political without them even realising because what they're being taught in assemblies and by teachers. So I think that plays a really big role in it. But it's also the fact that teenagers kind of want a purpose in life. So they put themselves onto these really complex issues that they don't really understand. So for example, the pro Palestine thing, I don't understand that enough. So I'm not I won't comment on it, because I don't understand enough enough about it was a lot of people my age will cling themselves onto a certain movement. Just because it's become the trendy thing, hasn't it? And that is one of the issues, of course, with the whole Glastonbury blow up over Bob Villain, that there's a whole load of people who are going to Glastonbury who have no idea about the geopolitics of the Middle East, but think it's now a cool fashion accessory to be flying a Palestine flag. And indeed, that was the other moment of the interview,
Starting point is 00:56:32 I think, which really did throw Owen Jones, because his whole shtick about Bob Villain and the fact that Bob Villain wasn't actually calling for violence against individual members of the IDF was blown up by Piers Morgan. Watch. When people say the NHS will die, literally they say the NHS will die without reform, are they saying that they're going to be the mass murder of doctors and patients? So to be clear, when you watch that rapper at Glastonbury chanting and leading a chant with thousands joining in of death to the IDF, you instinctively believe...
Starting point is 00:57:11 He said it himself. He said it. Oh, no, he said it since. So you accept, then, that the rapper was talking about soldiers? No. No. You don't? People call for the death of the Russian army all the time. Do you believe him 100%? Yes. When he said death to the IDF, he didn't mean individuals. Did you believe that?
Starting point is 00:57:26 Well, he's actually unlike... This is the irony. Do you know what the irony is? Just answer my question first. Yes, I do. Because new footage has emerged. And death to every single IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror. I've known you a long time. I have a lot of respect for you. You just have to admit, when you you hear that you were wrong to defend him
Starting point is 00:57:46 in the way you defended him. He didn't mean IDF... People I was defending... He didn't mean IDF... The people I... But do you accept now that you were wrong? He didn't mean that. We both... I didn't hear. I've only heard for the first time. You've heard that. So now you've heard that, do you still say he only meant the entity? Well, no, obviously now he's made clear what he meant.
Starting point is 00:58:04 So you accept you were wrong? Well, yeah, because obviously... I know. I'm not saying you should have known. I'm just saying that I found the defence very disingenuous by everybody, and I felt what he'd done, and this has now been proven, I think, he'd gone on social media, he'd seen people coming up with this ludicrous defence that he only meant the entity, and then, knowing what he'd said on stage, so knowing what he said on stage,
Starting point is 00:58:26 he issues a statement saying the complete opposite that he's read for people like you defending him. Well, I- Now, he's made all of you look like complete prunes. Father Calvin Robinson, what did you make of that? A masterpiece by Piers Morgan. He had Owen Jones running around, running rings around him.
Starting point is 00:58:43 It was quite embarrassing really because he defended this silly performer and then was shown evidence to see that he was wrong. Just put your hands up and say I was wrong to defend. But of course they don't because they are all aligned, these Hamas supporting people that have never actually been to Palestine, just obsessed with this kind of, I don't know where it comes from, but it's really strange that the whole of the left is aligned with it and Owen Jones is of course the token boy of the left, so he has to run with it. I think Eli's stance is far more honorable. I have no interest in Israel, I have no interest in Palestine,
Starting point is 00:59:19 I know very little about it, I'm not going to engage in it, rather than running rough shot all over it as if it's the most important thing in Britain. Why? But Father, just from a straight moral perspective, no matter where you stand on the conflict in the Middle East, no matter whether you believe that America and the UK should be involved in this perpetual forever war, Surely there is something incredibly cretinous about the Be Kind Left coming to the defence of an arsist who is literally on stage calling for the death of Boag. And it was not just the IDF that he did it to. I've seen other
Starting point is 01:00:04 video where he did the same about the British police, who he described as pigs. I mean, this is a very bizarre man to make your poster child. And by the way, I will be very clear, Father Calvin, and you will know this because you know where I stand on this. We're both free speech absolutists. I have not called for this guy to be arrested.
Starting point is 01:00:23 I'm not part of that mob. I haven't called for knee guy to be arrested. I'm not part of that mob. I haven't called for kneecap to be arrested either. I just want there to be consistency in terms of how the law in the United Kingdom is applied, which at the moment this certainly is not given we have Wayne O'Rourke, Lucy Connolly, Julie Sweeney rotting behind bars. But you can understand Father Kelvin that people look at this left-wing grouping and they're like, oh my god, this is an evil thing that this guy is perpetuating. And you're not just accepting it, you're not backing him for free speech reasons. He is your hero, he's your poster child, he is the person that you want to pay lots of money
Starting point is 01:01:03 for. In fact, it's worse, they're backing him because they agree with him. They also want He's your poster child. He is the person that you want to pay lots of money for In fact, it's worse. They're backing him because they agree with him. They also want to see every soldier dead They it's an evil ideology It really is and on the on the inverse we've got people like Lucy colony who say things that aren't incitement to violence But are arrested for it And so when he's standing up there literally inciting violence and what do they do? They celebrate it. It just shows how wicked they are. But they can't see it. Even if we held up a mirror, they cannot see how bad their ideology is.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Because there's a cognitive dissonance there. They have authored everyone that they disagree with. And so we, on the right, as well as the people in Israel and, you know, the IDF soldiers and such, are no longer humans. We're less than humans to them. And so it's justifiable to murder, to kill, and to do whatever they see fit with us. This is, they are pretty much, that you know, they think they're anti-fascists. They think they're anti-Nazi, but they are the fascists. They are the Nazis.
Starting point is 01:01:56 The hard left are the bad guys. Amen to that. Father Calvin Robinson, Ellie Hodges do stand by. In just one minute, Who is on the right in this fascinating row, very bitter row that has erupted between the MasterChef presenter in the past. He's sacked now, Greg Wallace and the British Bashing Corporation, which seems to be very, very angry, very angry about Greg Wallace's smutty jokes,
Starting point is 01:02:26 not so worried about Hugh Edwards and Jimmy Savile being rampant paedophiles. What does this say about the priorities of our state broadcaster? We're going to debate that and hear from Greg Wallace in just one minute. But first, do you ever wonder why it's so hard to sleep when you're stressed? Well, it turns out there's a feedback between sleep and cortisol. So the less sleep you get, the more cortisol your body produces. And the more cortisol you have, especially at night, the harder it is to fall asleep or stay asleep. It's like a stress sleep trap you can't get out of.
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Starting point is 01:04:54 Now this story is all over the tabloid front pages today and I would argue that the headline is actually very very misleading. So if you look at the Daily Star for example, they are claiming that 50 new victims, new victims have come forward. Now that suggests that Greg Wallace is like the new Jimmy Savile or the new Jeffrey Epstein. In fact, what has happened is that 50 very, very woke people have expressed horror at the fact that they heard Greg Wallace tell a bit of a smutty joke in the past. And these people who The Daily Star describes as victims are really mortified that Greg Wallace described them
Starting point is 01:05:43 as middle-class women of a certain age, even though they as middle-class women of a certain age Even though they are middle-class women of a certain age now. I'm open-minded to this entire story. I'm not necessarily defending Greg Wallace my Relationship with him was very very brief in terms of I've met him a couple of times He was fun. I didn't see any bad behavior But that doesn't mean there wasn't bad behavior and that doesn't mean bad behaviour at the BBC is acceptable. Of course it's not. But what I'm noting here is that the BBC have been so desperate to destroy their working class star, who by all accounts is charged with crimes that are, and by the way I'm not talking criminal crimes, I'm talking about moral crimes, that are of a far far lower concern level than what we saw from Hugh Edwards or what we saw from Jimmy Savile
Starting point is 01:06:35 to prolific paedophiles let loose within that organisation. But the British Passion Corporation decided last night that their own investigation into Greg Wallace was headline news and this is how they revealed it on their bulletin. Now the former presenter of MasterChef, Greg Wallace, has been sacked from the show. He stepped back from the job last year after being accused of misconduct and since then 50 more people have approached BBC News with fresh allegations. An inquiry ordered on behalf of the show's production company is due to report soon. Today, Greg Wallace said he'd been cleared of some of
Starting point is 01:07:15 the most serious and sensational claims but recognised that some of his humour and language had been inappropriate. He also said he was never the caricature now being sold for online clicks. Now I'll tell you what Greg Wallace has said about the investigation in detail in just one moment but first I want to show you the video that sparked the fury of the likes of Asma Mare and Kirsty Wark when Greg Wallace dismissed them as middle-class women of a certain age. Now I've been doing MasterChef for 20 years, amateur, celebrity and professional MasterChef, and I think in that time I have worked with over 4,000 contestants of all different ages, all different backgrounds, all walks of life. And apparently now I'm reading in the paper there's been 13 complaints in that time.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Now in the newspaper I can see the complaints coming from a handful of middle-class women of a certain age, just from Celebrity MasterChef. This isn't right. In 20 years, over 20 years of television, can you imagine how many women, female contestants on MasterChef have made sexual remarks or sexual innuendo? Can you imagine? And Greg Wallace yesterday preempted the BBC trying to destroy him with this statement. I have taken the decision to speak out ahead of the publication of the Silkins report,
Starting point is 01:09:14 a decision I do not take lightly. But after 21 years of loyal service to the BBC, I cannot sit in silence while my reputation is further damaged to protect others. I cannot sit in silence while my reputation is further damaged to protect others. I have now been cleared by the Silkins report of the most serious and sensational accusations made against me. The most damaging claims, including allegations from public figures which have not been upheld, were found to be baseless after a full and forensic six month investigation. My decision to go public now is also driven by the fact the BBC News Division are intending to platform legally unsafe accusations including
Starting point is 01:09:52 claims which have already been investigated and not upheld by the BBC and found not credible by silken. The BBC is no longer providing balanced and impartial public service journalism. It is peddling baseless and sensationalised gossip masquerading as properly corroborated stories. The BBC is choosing to allow BBC News to run with this uncooperated tittle tattle and attempt to get ahead of the Silken Summary report and derail what has been an extremely thorough process. This feels to me like BBC News is chasing slanderous click-play rather than delivering impartial journalism. To be clear, the Silkins report exonerates me of all the serious allegations which made headlines last year and finds me primarily guilty of inappropriate language between 2005 and 2018. I recognise that some of my language and humor
Starting point is 01:10:45 at times was inappropriate. For that, I apologized without reservation. But I was never the caricature now being sold for clicks. I was hired by the BBC and MasterChef as the cheeky greengrocer, a warm person, a real character, rough edges and all. For over two decades, that authenticity was part of the brand. Now in a sanitized world that same personality is seen as a problem. My neurodiversity now
Starting point is 01:11:14 formally diagnosed as autism was suspected and discussed by colleagues across countless seasons of MasterChef, yet nothing was done to investigate my disability or protect me from what I now realize was a dangerous environment for over 20 years. That failure is being quietly buried. Unfortunately the full report over 200 pages will never be seen. Later this week the BBC will publish a short executive summary. What really concerns me about the short summary is others who have been found guilty of serious allegations have been erased from the published version of events. I, and I'm sure the public, would like to know why. I will not go quietly. I will not be cancelled for convenience. I was tried by media and hung out to dry well
Starting point is 01:11:57 before the facts were established. The full story of this incredible injustice must be told and it is very much a matter of public interest." Greg Wallace. So despite the BBC reporting on this, there are clearly two sides to this story and to discuss it now on my superstar panel, the political commentator Ellie Hodges and Father Calvin Robinson. So Father Calvin, obviously it's not good to make inappropriate jokes in a workplace environment but I have a huge amount of sympathy for what Greg Wallace is saying about how there has been such a
Starting point is 01:12:36 changing version of society and we know a lot of people are being cancelled for so-called moral crimes that were completely acceptable two decades ago. Do you think what Greg Wallace is saying is true, which is that the BBC fundamentally didn't like the fact that this is a working class kid done well, and he obviously specifically targeted middle class women of a certain age who seemed to have a real axe to grind against him for on the whole and obviously I haven't read the report because no one has read the report yet but on the whole for telling saucy provocative jokes not cool but
Starting point is 01:13:21 certainly not like Hugh Edwards not like Jimmy Savile. I can't bring myself to care enough about it. I think it's very strange that he's being targeted almost like he was a rapist or something for inappropriate humour, probably politically incorrect humour as most men of a certain age in our country have. And also that's a tautology. This middle class women of a certain age, either middle class women or women of a certain age, like they mean the same thing. But I mean, I don't get why they're beating him with a stick. Maybe his time has come. Maybe they wanted someone younger and, I don't know, someone to replace him,
Starting point is 01:14:01 probably someone more diverse. And this is their way of booting him out. But it's not very pleasant to see. I don't have a problem with Greg. I don't particularly like or dislike him. He just happens to be on the television, right? But I haven't heard him anything that he's supposed to have done. That is a crime, even a moral crime at this point. It all seems a bit bland.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Yeah, he makes it the occasional inappropriate joke. Yeah. So do most people around people that they call their friends and colleagues. And if you don't like it, then, you know, don't work with them. I don't. What am I missing here? That's the problem that I have. It's like, Philip Schofield shagging some young runner, who he's brought into the organization from when he was a young teenager. Oh, ITV tries to cover it up. Greg Wallace, it's like there was an absolute moral hysteria and panic. And Ellie Hodges, obviously, as a young woman, I presume you don't want to be exposed to seedy jokes but surely as a society we have to have a
Starting point is 01:15:06 very clear delineation between crimes that are incredibly serious you know Hugh Edwards Jimmy Savile level crimes and the problem is I feel like the coverage and remember I'm someone who's been cancer myself so I know a lot of this the coverage is so often based on a moral hysteria, which means you are treated like a rapist or a murderer. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, he's not, he's not an angel, clearly. Um, this many women coming out and sort of saying that he's even made inappropriate jokes or treated them in a certain way. He's clearly not perfect. But it was concluded that Wallace was primarily guilty of using inappropriate language. You can be found guilty of using inappropriate language. It all just
Starting point is 01:15:58 sounds a bit kind of dramatic. And as you said, I remember six or seven months ago when it first came out and it was treated by the mainstream media as such a big deal, such a massive scandal. And you think, what about the mainstream media covering up the rape of thousands of young girls across the country? I think that's a bit more of a scandal than the, you know, head chef of MasterChef or whatever his title is. Absolutely. whatever his title is. Absolutely, and you are completely right to point out that the rape gang scandal at the time got far less coverage than Greg Wallace, which is an extraordinary head-snatcher, scratcher,
Starting point is 01:16:35 father Calvin Robinson, unless it's much easier to throw someone like Greg Wallace under the bus. I mean, I have to say, Calvin, the other thing I respect him for is for not going quietly. I think it is absolutely essential that we don't just accept cancellation for behavior that some people on the woke left might find slightly inappropriate. Like I remember interviewing David Starkey,
Starting point is 01:17:03 the legend David Starkey. And we were talking about our respective cancellations and it always struck me what David Starkey had to say about this. He said, I'm not cancelled because I will not allow myself to be cancelled. And I think Greg Wallace actually has an opportunity here, but he's going to have to wise up because the mainstream media are never going to have to wise up because the mainstream media are never going to have Greg Wallace back, Father Carlin, but there are opportunities for someone like him in this very exciting new independent space.
Starting point is 01:17:35 There are always opportunities and for a period of time I was the only person to have Sir David Stalker on my show, Professor David Stalker on my show on the channel of GB News. He's a bit extreme. I made sure I had him on pretty much every week for a period. And I do stand by his words. I refuse to be canceled. Quite right. But with Greg Wallace, it seems this is a distraction. So the BBC has been complicit in the cover up of so many
Starting point is 01:18:01 wrongs from from Jimmy Savile to Gary Glitter to the horrible Princess Diana affair to the Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. And so of course, I think while this is all coming to air, they'd rather talk about Greg and how bad he has been as a person than how bad they've been as an institution. And so often I'm on programs like this saying, there's no such thing as institutional X, there's no such thing as institutional Y. I do genuinely believe there is an institutional problem
Starting point is 01:18:32 at the BBC. You know, it's a word that's thrown around so lightly these days, but I think we've got the evidence just to back it up, that time after time, the BBC is complicit in cover-ups of immoral and sometimes illegal behavior. The fact that it's still Kind of an arm's length state broadcaster is disgusting. It should have been closed down a long time ago It is time to defund the BBC
Starting point is 01:18:56 Yes, it is. Oh goodness. Yes, it is father Calvin Robinson So good to have you back and Ellie Hodges what an incredible debut from 17 year old future superstar. Thank you Ellie, we'll speak very soon. Thank you both so much. Lots of feedback from you today. By the way, Great Britain Union Jackass will be revealed in just one moment. But on this whole issue of King Charles and wokeism Jason Sharpe writes maybe if the King doesn't believe in borders he should sack his security and open the palace gates to allow all the unfettered in see how quick he changes his mind when his grandkids are groomed very good point and on a similar note
Starting point is 01:19:40 Vicki Thomas thank you for the super chat by the way Vicki Thomas really appreciate those super chat she asks is William at all woke if at all? Eek, hate to tell you, yes he is. So that's the issue too. It's not, I mean I'm obviously a huge supporter of William in so many ways but it's not simply a case of once William takes the throne this Wokery will necessarily go away. Linda Levine was disgusted about Macron's revolting flirting with Catherine. He said Macron is the worst poor Catherine. I'm sure she was mortified. Jack Lemmon on the whole Sadiq Khan versus Susan Hall issue says well played Susan Hall. He was trying to lead her into saying Muslim, whereupon he would have played the race card. And John Patrick Smith said, and this is in regards to Ian Dale, saying, oh, it's just no issue if no one's speaking English.
Starting point is 01:20:33 Andrew Gold is telling the truth. I was in Oxford two years ago and it took me 10 attempts to find someone who spoke English as I was looking for directions. And in terms of Nigel Farage and this new interview, we'll talk about that more on the show tomorrow, by the way, Derek Hadlington says Farage, in my opinion, is controlled opposition and always was. Recent behavior just reinforces my opinion on him. Okay, time to reveal today's greatest Britain and Union Jackass. Your Union Jackass nominees, Rory Stewart, nominated by Matt Cass 040, who says he's a strange looking weirdo whose podcast is a backpacking session very dangerous to society. President Emmanuel Macron nominated by Thomas W3033, who says amongst everything else he breaks royal protocol by walking in front of King Charles.
Starting point is 01:21:18 And Wes Streatey, the Health Secretary nominated by Blame Game, who says it's Groundhog Day, less than a year after Streatey capitulated to the junior doctors they have overwhelmingly voted to strike again. Is there anything this Labour government can get right? Well in answer to that question Blame Game I would say no. Really there is nothing. And your votes are in. In third place with 11% it is Wes Streeting. The runner-up with 13% of the voters is Rory Stewart. But an overwhelming reaction to today's Union Jackass with 76% of your vote it is President Emmanuel Macron. Today's Greatest Britain, nominated by Abba Band's ghost, is Alan Bates, Sir Alan Bates, for all the work and organizing he did to get what we got today.
Starting point is 01:22:17 That is of course in relation to the post office inquiry and the shocking news that 13 postmasters were believed to have taken their own life as a result of their absolute failure by the authorities. It's an extraordinary story. Now we're going to move to subsec now for the uncancelled after show where we will continue to discuss Matt Cron's revolting behaviour towards Catherine the Princess of Wales and also was the Princess making a subtle dig at Meghan Markle with her choice of outfit or the royal lowdown with royal YouTube sensation P Diner that is over on Substack, it's live or on demand and it's completely ad free so all you have to do to watch is sign up
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