Dan Wootton Outspoken - WORST 20 BRITS TODAY INCLUDES YVETTE COOPER ANGELA RAYNER CAROL VORDERMAN & EMILY MAITLIS

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

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we are into the top 20. If you're joining us for the first time, remember last year, James O'Brien, Gary Lineker and Dr. Scholler topped the list. But that was when we still had a conservative government. A lot has changed in 12 months. So a lot has changed in our list, our countdown, which we are unveiling every day with the help of my favourite outspoken regulars. Now, the only rule is that the entrants must be living primarily in the UK today, meaning that well-known expats like Prince Harry and Shamima Begum, both terrible people, miss out, for now at least. Today, we kick off with number 20 with two of my favourites, Darren Grimes of Darren Grimes Unleashed and the brilliant Jasmine Birtles of News Uncut. Love having both of them on Outspoken. While you're here, though, very quick note. To get

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Farage and Truss, led by donkeys. Heroes of the elite class, Oliver Knowles, Will Rose, James Sadry and Ben Stewart are fiddling with cheap stunts or billboards designed to humiliate Liz and Nigel while Rome burns. Meanwhile, on the major issues of the day, including the shocking corruption of this Labour government, there is a deafening silence. And Darren Grimes, isn't it quite astonishing that these guys are just continuing with their nonsense when actually there is so much corruption currently being taken place within the UK government itself. Absolutely, Dan. I couldn't have said it any better myself. I mean, they are living proof, actually, that if you leave political activism out too long, it can rot, right? I mean, they were still dragging around the 2022 lettuce gag like it was a new punchline last year when

they targeted Liz Truss during her book tour, who, Dan, at that juncture, she wasn't even a member of parliament, right? She certainly wasn't in government, but ignoring all of the power coming out of Downing Street and instead going after the ghost of prime ministers past, forgetting all about as you put it canceling elections winter fuel allowance cuts the benefits cuts the farm and tax the national insurance increase that's actually i would predict create a new workless generation in this country but forget all of that dan because these leftists they aren't the anti-establishment activists that they tell you they are. They're so far up the establishment's arse that I sincerely hope with all of my heart that Sakhir Starmer is charging them rent because he might be able to give a bob or two to pensioners if they're paying them enough.

I call them, Dan, I call them craft beer crusaders, right? They think that cycling in a Dover with a poster is somehow akin to what those men did in Storm and the Beaches in Normandy. They pick on powerless people to actually feel powerless, sneering at the kind of people that voted reform. You know, I just find it, this whole Guardian reading rag tag,

it's reheated gags, middle-class snobbery, and I loathe it. I detest it. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And the thing is, Jasmine Birtles, actually, it's just not funny. The Liz Trust thing is particularly ruthless and mean. And if you actually just dig down into their obsession with the Daily Star's letters, actually, what's so shocking is that the deep state in this country, the British deep state, were able to force out a prime minister because she was challenging the economic orthodoxy within such a short period. That's what people should be more concerned about. I agree. And it's not, I think, generally understood that the government doesn't run the country. It's really the blob. And in particular, it's the Bank of England. And we

have a governor of the Bank of England, who in my view, shouldn't really be able to get a job with the gas board. I think he's, you know, he was terrible at the FCA, the Financial Conduct Authority. He's even worse here at the Bank of England. And my view now with the Bank of England is whatever they say, take the opposite, very much though. And as you say, it was them that ousted Liz Truss. Her ideas were pretty good, in my view, though, you know, it was a bit too bold, perhaps. But I remember her, you know, quasi-quotient giving his speech and me thinking, yeah, pretty much, that's pretty good. But no, the blob, the establishment didn't like it.

And with these guys, with them, led by donkeys, they remind me also of those hate organisations, Hope Not Hate and Stop Funding Hate. You always know there's hate in the title, there's hate in the heart. So they say that they are not, you know, that they're going against hatred, etc. But they are themselves promoting hatred, it seems. Yeah, that's a great point, isn't it, Darren? Because actually some of this verges on bullying. I mean, of course they can do it if they want to, but there's trespassing, there's invading into private spaces,

there's taking over an event. Put it this way, if this was a right-wing organisation conducting these types of stunts against former politicians on the left, I imagine the group would very, very quickly be shut down, probably be arrested. That'd be locked up in this two-tier world. Absolutely. Of course they would. Of course they would. I mean, you get the police turning out to your house, Dan, for writing some criticism about your school these days, never mind any of that. I just see it as class contempt, ultimately. And that's something that I've always hated with every fibre of my being. It's this North London sarcasm.

And they're basically, if I can put it like this, they're a bit like Japanese soldiers, right, who were out in the jungle years after the war had ended without realising that the United States had won. You know, they're out there with their rifles yelling, Tories, Tories, I could see a Tory, when no one is listening or concerned about the damn Tories anymore. They're about as relevant. They're so backbench, Dan, they've fallen off of the sodden backbench. I know, that is such a good point, isn't it?

It's like, fight the real war. Okay, let's move on. In our countdown at number 19, he is down 11 positions from last year. And I have a feeling Darren Grimes is going to like this one. I'm, of course, talking about The Guardian columnist Owen Jones. Remaining a malignant force on the left, Jones' influence has waned because of his deranged denial of reality over the attack on Israelis on October 7th and ongoing accusations about his appalling behaviour towards women at The Guardian.

But the extremist continues to be given a major role in the legacy media, which ignores equivalent voices on the right. Darren Grimes, you've got a bit of beef with this guy, right? Oh, he doesn't like me very much. I met him at Tory party conference once many moons ago. And back when he was actually able to go about these places, now he's on the extremist fringes. And he completely blanked me.

He refused to speak to me at all. You know, that's typical of the left. You know, we on the right think fringes. And he completely blanked me. He refused to speak to me at all. You know, that's typical of the left. You know, we on the right think that they're mistaken. Maybe he fancied you. Oh, well, I mean, who could blame him, Dan? Who could possibly blame him? But look, right, he's gone from boy wonder, right, and he's still got that sort of youthful look,

to a complete broken record. All he's focused on, Dan, now is Israel, like you would think it's the only country on earth that can ever do anything wrong. I mean, we're seeing loads of pictures on screen right now of him on the BBC and all these other things. He simply isn't in the mainstream picture anymore, right? And maybe that has its merits, I certainly think so. But he used to be the darling of the left. And now he's forgetting the countless scores of human rights abuses in 22 Arab states, viewing Islam as completely beyond reproach. I would argue he ain't a journalist anymore. He's a one-man tribunal exclusively for Jews who, quite frankly,

don't hate themselves anywhere near enough. I don't think he's even ever been to Israel. I've been twice, Dan, and I don't recognise the slander that he churns out on a regular basis to appease this increasingly fringe audience. Even, Dan, get this, he attempted recently to paint the BBC as some kind of Zionist propaganda machine. The bloody BBC. All because one Jewish editor didn't editorialise in the way that he would have liked them to do. This is the BBC, Dan, that funded Hamas via a documentary with one of the Hamas leader's children. Documentary, I would say piece of propaganda, actually, which they had to take off the iPlayer because it was so appalling.

I mean, it is interesting, though, isn't it, Jasmine? Because I do think his influence is waning. I think the game is up somewhat. But for some reason, the mainstream media continues to platform him. It is interesting, isn't it? Because he's to me, he's like sort of the Guardian's answer to Greta Thunberg, really. You know, Swedish tomb goblin. And like her, he has become, as you say, much more irrelevant and more embittered, it seems. And he, like so many in his group, he has no sense of humor. And when you have no sense of humor, it's very difficult, I think, not to get dried up and wizened. And that's kind of the

way I feel. And I agree with Darren about this obsession with Israel. I mean, you know, there's all sorts of things you can say, good and bad, of what Israel is doing and of what the Palestinians doing and the Arabs are doing. But when you get so extreme as the left is with with the the Islam vote, there's something wrong. I mean, I was very interested to see the king and also that conversation between Starmer and Sadiq Khan all about how marvelous Islam is and how wonderful it's been for this country, etc. Now, when you've got both of those, you've got the king and you've got our prime minister both very prominently saying, oh love islam oh we really do we're so grateful for etc you think they must realize that more and more people are thinking the opposite in this country this to me says that there's a bit of desperation here we're trying to keep on hold of the islamic

vote and stop them doing anything against us i think yeah it's an interesting one, isn't it, Darren? No, it definitely is. I mean, ultimately, what I would say, it's never, basically at the BBC, Dan, I think I could safely say there's probably never been a worse time to be Jewish at the BBC, for example. So I think that should give viewers every measure of the man they could possibly want, because it isn't about journalism. This is a twisted obsession. I would actually say he's got evil in his heart at this point. And in any sane world, he would be universally called out for what he is, which is vile, vindictive, andering, I would say, really quite horribly close to the worst, oldest prejudice of all. All under the pretense of progressive concern, progressive my foot. And you know what, Dan, if he wants to get himself out to Gaza, I'm sure that you and I would find a way to crowdfund.

I'm sure Jasmine will chip in too, crowdfund for his trip there. I mean, I'm sure they'll absolutely love him there and they won't try and throw him off buildings or anything like that. I mean, honestly, what an absolute idiot. At number 18, speaking of idiots, a new entry. It's

scheming sturgeon's successor John Swinney. Brought in to steady the ship after the disastrous 13-month reign of Whomsy Useless, the Scottish First Minister has fast returned to Queen Nick's playbook by sparking division between his people. That has started by describing Nigel Farage and even Reform UK voters as far right. So Darren Grimes, as a new candidate for Reform UK, this was quite a moment, wasn't it?

Nigel Farage had been predicting it for some time. He thought it was going to be Slippery Starmer who would be the first to brand all of you and all of your voters as far right. But no, it was that hard leftist First Minister of Scotland. At least we can tell what a woman is, Dan. You know, I would basically describe John Swinney as Scotland's answer to stale porridge. And Scotland, of course, is a home of porridge going back quite some time. But he's stale. He's been left out there far too long. That power, that party rather,

has been in power since 2007. And you're right. He decided that actually the biggest threat to public life wasn't poverty. It wasn't the massive drug industry that's prospering in Glasgow. It wasn't the failing schools. Too many kids leaving school unable to actually read and write, but a political party that didn't even win a single seat north of the border. And his grand plan was to put together a coalition of the completely undesirables to freeze out reform from Scottish politics altogether. He wasn't proposing debate, Dan. He wasn't proposing beating them at the ballot box, but to banish them out of speech and debate altogether, like some kind of tartan inquisition all too familiar with the SNP's Scotland. And this isn't about protecting democracy.

It's about controlling it. This is a party obsessed with maintaining and holding on to power that's slipping away from them if the Labour Party wasn't so useless Dan they would walk the next election they really really would they're obsessed with breaking up Britain but you know their desire for reforms to challenge reforms ideas around controlled borders and free speech they say oh, oh, that's a step too far. It should tell every voter what an independent Scotland would look like. Less free, swallowed up by the EU and led by a contemptible party of incompetence.

Hear, hear. Couldn't agree more. And Jasmine, actually, it is a good point that Darren makes, isn't it? John Swinney will probably remain the first minister of Scotland. SNP will probably win the next Scottish election. It's got nothing to do with the performance of the SNP, which has been absolutely diabolical. They have destroyed so many aspects of Scottish life. But it is because Scots are now completely turned off by Labour after seeing the complete shitshow at Westminster under Slippery Starmer. So indeed,

there is a potential reform UK surge happening in Scotland. That's why Swinney has gone immediately to brandish this far right term. Do you think it's becoming meaningless, Jasmine? A bit like now if you call someone a racist or a transphobe, is it almost meaningless? Like, should we just start embracing this? Do you remember after the riots last year, there was this movement on social media where brilliant people like Father Phil Harris and Alex Phillips all banded under this hashtag, far-right thugs unite. Do we almost have to embrace the term?

Well, I certainly have. Yes, I like to call myself a far-right thug and then I go on. And you're about as far from a far-right thug as you can get. I'm a far-right thug, yes. Hello. And it really is that it seems to be, you know, you are far right. If you believe in marriage, if you believe a woman is a woman and a man is a man. If you question Covid, if you question the climate change thing, if you question Ukraine and if you are, frankly, you know, a decent human being who likes to earn their money and not depend on the state.

That's all horrendously far right. While at the same time, genuine far right groups like the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, they're not really far right, even though they have their Nazi flags and they're very proud of it. No, no, we forget about that because we're funding them. That's absolutely fine. No, it's the families and the decent people who are concerned about the way we're running our country. Those are the dangerous far right thugs that we all have to keep away from. What Swinney's ideally wanting to do, as Darren says, is just control. And his version of control is like we're seeing in various other European countries to ban, to ban any country, any organization that looks like it's a threat. We've seen it in Romania. We're seeing it in France where it looks like they're going to jail Marine Le Pen. Now, you know, they're saying she's done this and that. I mean, clearly it's just because she's very popular

and they're really worried that she might actually win. So this seems to be their only way of winning. You know, if you want to win and you're really rubbish, just ban or jail the other side. That's their answer. Yeah, I know. It's utterly, utterly terrifying on so many levels, really irresponsible, really disgraceful. And John Swinney, who up until that

point had potentially been seen as quite a centrist figure, sort of like a guy who you didn't really need to pay much attention to, my ears pricked up and I thought, no, no, no, no. He was scheming Sturgeon's deputy for all of those years for a reason. This is a very, very bad man who fully deserves his place in the top 20. But let's continue our countdown now of the 50 worst people in the UK today. At number 17, rising a whopping 21 positions from last year when he sat at number 38 on the countdown, the least conservative conservative ever, Rory Stewart. Yes, the man who represents everything that was wrong with

the Tories under David Cameron and Theresa May had a particularly disastrous year. Pledging to bet £100,000 on Kamala Harris, quote, comfortably winning the presidential election versus Donald Trump during another clueless episode of his moronic podcast with the gruesome Alistair Campbell. That alone should have been enough for the Ramona to lose all credibility. But Jasmine Birtles, instead, we see Rory Stewart pop up on virtually every mainstream media outlet possible. Who is the guy representing? He is a fool. He is totally discredited. Yet he is still treated as some type of sage. Doesn't he represent everything that is wrong with our legacy media?

Mr. Boy for centrist dads. Nice looking, although I always feel that he looks like he needs to have a good meal inside him. You know, he's just so frail looking. I think, you know a good meal inside him bless his heart you know he's he's just so frail looking i think you know a bit odd looking i would say a bit strange yeah but i i've always thought oh bless but increasingly as you say his podcast again is like the bank of england anything they say take the opposite and And they were, as you say, absolutely convinced, like Times Radio and the Times generally and BBC, convinced that Kamala would win, as you say, happily. And then, you know, even like minutes before Trump was actually told, you know, it was announced that he'd won. They're like, it's so close. It's a no, it wasn't close. It was quite obviously not close. It's a, no, it wasn't close. It was quite obviously not close. And now their big thing is still Trump hatred, of course, again, like Times Radio, Trump, Trump, Trump, but Putin, Putin,

Putin, everything is Putin. Every, every ill in the whole world is Putin. And again, he's about to fail. Russia is about to fall. No, they're not. Their economy is very strong. They are, you know, if anything, they're going to win. I mean, it's probably just going to rumble on this this horrendous war. No way can Ukraine win. It has never been able to win at all. And while we in Britain and in Europe have our crazy coalition of the willing, I mean, that went to die to death, didn't it? And say that we're going to support Ukraine. People like Rory are like, oh, yes, you know, we're here behind them. Absolutely. They're going to win. And I just want to slap them and say,

just wake up. Look at things properly. Stop sitting in your little dark hole where you're telling yourself stories and telling the rest of ourselves stories. Wake up, get real. Finally, get real. That's what I'd like to see from these guys. Just wake up and get real. Absolutely. And I have to say, Darren, watching this embarrassing broadcast on the night of the US election, where as Jasmine says, they just kept on denying reality. I realised these two are propagandists and nothing more. And you could see the look on their faces as it's like, oh, my God, we have literally just parroted lies for months and months and months. But their audience are for some reason foolish enough not to just switch them off. I mean, I think no one should ever trust a word that Rory Stewart says again. Certainly no one should have trusted a word that Alistair Campbell ever said again after his sexed up dossier, which led millions into an illegal war. Absolutely. I mean, I don't think he's lovely looking. I actually find him quite terrifying looking, to be honest.

He looks a little bit like if E.T., when he came down to Earth, had had a child. You know, that's what he looks like. He was sort of the political equivalent, wasn't he, of like chamomile tea or something. And that's why the middle class circle jerk liked him so much. But now that sort of, that chamomile tea, mild, a bit soothing, ever so slightly pointless. Even that now, as a description, feels incredibly generous. He was

held up as being this sort of moderate messiah in the election, stood there manspreading across the debate stage when he ran for the Tory leadership, which was bizarre. But he appeals exclusively, Dan, to the Waitrose commentariat, right? He, as you say, retreats to the sort of plush embrace of podcast land, where you get the smugs hanging out at an O2 arena and Alistair Campbell, oh good lord, I mean they're basically two centrist dads in a soft focus echo chamber

mistaking their polite disagreements with each other the precious little of them for some form of political debate, it's not, it's two liberal talking heads that agree with each other. Totally. But you're completely right.

It's the fact that the mainstream media would view the idea of having Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart on together as some form of balance. It is utterly ludicrous. Moving on in our countdown, raising three positions up the chart. At number 16 is Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat leader. Playing the fool as the country's village idiot, Davey climbs the list because of his strident anti-American rhetoric that, if followed through on, would damn the UK to economic and security turmoil. Meanwhile, he has still refused to properly deal with his role in the despicable

post office scandal, which he was responsible for as Minister for Postal Affairs from 2010 to 2012. He is a man with no honour. And Jasmine Birtles, what I find extraordinary is it's like, do our politicians never learn? So we had years when Labour was in opposition where total amateurs like David Lammy described Donald Trump as some type of neo-Nazi fascist, only to have to go and sit next to him in the Oval Office when they realised that our national interest is far, far more important. And also, by the way, he's none of those things. Yet now we have Ed Davey just doing exactly the same thing, constantly slagging off our most important ally. And it was one of those very rare moments where I agreed with Starmer in PMQs when he told Ed Davey how irresponsible it was, but it meant nothing

coming from Starmer, who had spread exactly the same message for the prior four years. Yes, we've been governed by intellectual pygmies, really, aren't we? Yes, yes. I mean, the thing is, you know, I think the answer to the question, what do you think of Ed Davey, is generally, sorry, who? And then the next response is, oh, is he the one that's married to Yvette Cooper? That, you know, kind of thing.

And I'm sure that, you know, for Trump, Ed Davey saying anything is just like a fly hitting your windscreen as you're driving along. That and, you know, as I said, the coalition of the willing. I think we in Europe and particularly in Britain and Scotland, in particular, we've just been talking about that, Wales. We don't realise how little the world generally, and certainly America, cares honestly about what we say and what we think. So Ed Davey can rant and rave. Just every time he does it, he just makes himself look smaller and stupider. And as you say, harms us, but does nothing really, honestly, to America or any other country he feels like railing against.

And what about these stunts, Darren Grimes? I find them so embarrassing, you know, the sort of like, oh, I'm going to go kayaking or I'm going to go on a roller coaster. And what it means is that the mainstream media never actually ask him any difficult questions about things like his despicable role in the post office scandal. Absolutely, Dan, for any other politician, the media would have hounded them until they resigned from office. The fact that he's still the leader of the Liberal Democrats shows that actually they are totally morally bankrupt. What happened to those sub-postmasters was nothing short of a national scandal. So if a Tory had done that, you can bet your bottom dollar that the press would be still talking about it right now.

They would not be in office right this minute. But as for these stunts, Dan, I wouldn't be surprised, I genuinely wouldn't, if we saw them queuing up outside of either Bonnie Blue or Lily Phillips's latest dungeon where they're lining up for OnlyFans, for OnlyFans to sort of get some exposure in the press. He's a desperate, desperate man. What I would love to see is the likes of the Rory Stuarts in the Tory party and the Lib Dems, they get together and they just go off into electoral oblivion. I would like nothing more than for the Tories to sort their act out and actually give people a reason to vote for them again, because it would mean that the Lib Dems get out of office. I find them utterly pathetic and I really hope they don't do well. But I know they will, Dan, because as I say, the Tories are totally useless. And there are those seats that are Tory facing who will now vote Lib Dem. And I don't see that going away in a hurry,

despite the fact that this man is more of a clown than Sideshow Bob from The Simpsons. It's absolutely absurd. Yeah, well, as Jam Fan on that post on X said, he's right. He shouldn't take himself seriously because no one else does. At number 15 on our countdown, no change from last year. It's Emily Maitlis, the ex-Newsnight host who publicly exposed the simmering bias at the BBC. The worst of the fake news agents trio, Maitlis was inexplicably given the opportunity to host disgustingly biased Channel 4 News coverage of both the UK and US election, where during the latter broadcast, her simmering rage at Trump's victory

saw her monster Boris Johnson in a completely unprofessional interview, and then storm offset in some type of diva strop. I'm sorry, I'm just going to put it out there. I cannot stand this Jasmine Birtles. I do not understand why she has put on some type of pedestal. I don't get the Emily Maitlis thing. And by the way, if she tells us once more that she interviewed Prince Andrew, I think I will scream. I think we do know, don't we? Yes, that interview, it has gone down in the annals of really bad ideas for the interviewee. But I remember particularly her interviewing your friend, that the quite acerbic woman in America, the Marjorie Taylor Greene.

That's it. Yes. And Marjorie's words to her, which were pretty strong. But I think there were a lot of people who watched it and went, yeah, absolutely, Marjorie. Emily is hugely popular, again, with our favourites, centrist dads. I have one or two friends who go, oh, she's marvellous. I go, OK, fine, if you think that. But it is quite clearly biased reporting. And I think she was held back a little bit when she was at the BBC, only a little bit. But now at LBC, it's full pelt because LBC really enables everybody to be as left wing as they like, as left wing or centrist as they like, and to be as opinionated as they like. So yeah, with the, as you say, news agents agents which is really not news it's it's just opinion

exactly it's activism it's propaganda but look seeing you've mentioned the marjorie taylor green thing and it's one of my absolute favorites we just have to watch it we just have to watch hayley should be on the list uh but of course president trump will choose who he wants for vp would you like to be on that list? He's got a long list. I support President Trump in any way, any way he'd ask me, but I can assure you it won't be Nikki Haley. And can you tell me why so many people that support Donald Trump love conspiracy theories, including yourself? He seems to attract lots of conspiracy theorists. Well let me tell you, you're a conspiracy theorist and the

left and the media spreads more conspiracy theories. We like the truth. We like supporting our constitution, our freedoms and America first. What about Jewish space lasers? Tell us about Jewish space lasers. No, why don't you go talk about Jewish space lasers and really, why don't you fuck off? How about that? Thanks. Thank you very much. Now, the terrible thing is, I just love it so much. The terrible thing is Mait love it so much the terrible thing is mateless knows exactly in that moment you can actually see it in her eyes jasmine bingo because yes all of my leftist centrist dads are going to hate marjorie taylor green yes yeah you know, you and I have been called conspiracy theorists for things that have

all proven to be true. What pathetic journalism. But then you're completely right to say this is not journalism. It is activism. It genuinely is activism. Absolutely. And as you say, you know, there is the difference between conspiracy theory and reality is about six, six months. They're saying that's the difference now. So many of the things that you and I have been saying and people that we know, people that we've been working with, been saying over and over that we were slated for, put into journalism jail for, have proved to be right. And yet these people who keep going, going oh you're a conspiracy theorist oh you should be taken off air you they they never say oh yeah actually yes you were you were right you've made me think they don't want to do that they just want to keep shouting and and pointing

the finger rather than going i should learn something maybe maybe just maybe some of those other things you've been saying maybe those that will turn out to be true as well. Yeah, Darren Grimes, it's interesting, isn't it? But I'm sorry, this idea that Emily Maitlis is some type of campaigning independent journalist is just bullshit, Darren. She left the British Bashing Corporation because she was no longer allowed to go on her unhinged lefty rants, being paid for by us, the taxpayers, so has just gone to an even more hard left mainstream media organisation, Global, which is paying her big money. There's nothing independent about what she's doing. She's still completely captured. She's still totally part of the system. She's still taking a massive paycheck. And so she's doing what is expected of her.

I just think there is absolutely nothing brave about her. And I repeat, I will not say what she does is journalism because it is activism. And that's fine if you admit it. But the way she's spoken about on the left is if she's some type of campaigning journalist. It's bullshit. Very well said. Yeah, she does make out that she's more independent than we were talking about John Swinney. He would like Scotland to be.

He makes out, actually, that the fact of the matter, you look at what she said during her time at the BBC and you look at what she's saying now. It's been ramped up ever so slightly, but actually the tone and everything hasn't really changed. She was always a left wing activist. She wasn't ever a journalist, an impartial journalist. But it speaks to the kind of culture that permeates within the BBC and also, doesn't it, Dan, show and betray the people that used to turn into LBC back when it was actually worth listening to. Nowadays, you might as well call it the lefty broadcasting corporation. It's absolutely

appalling. The amount of sneering, the cultural snobbery, the class snobbery. I find it all like the poverty porn where you get someone on, you get a caller in, ringing into LBC who, you know, says something that someone like James O'Brien disagrees with. And all of a sudden, you know, they laugh and ridicule at the individual involved. I find it so distasteful. And the global, the likes of that Lewis fella, oh, I just find the whole thing, the whole charade, John Sopel,

oh, oh, Dan, you're making me cringe. You're making me physically cringe. Can we stop now? I know. Honestly, I just find they make me sick. They were both on the list as well, just not as high up as Maitlis. But unfortunately, Darren, you're still going to be cringing at our number 14.

And this is a big new entry. Woke ITV's biggest activist, Paul Brand, who viewed himself as the Boris Johnson hunter-in-chief during the Conservative government, doggedly pursuing the XPM for lockdown violations, as if he was reporting Watergate. But with a Labour government in charge, Brand has been completely silent on a series of far more shocking scandals, from Lord Ali,

the truth about Keir Starmer's secret family, to the Southport massacre cover-up. Indeed, Brand's left-wing activism has seen him campaign consistently for assisted dying. So the idea that he is impartial is for the birds, and woke ITV's management should be ashamed, Jasmine Birtles, another activist, not journalist, who now presents on many days the main ITV news bulletin. I think it's disgraceful. Yeah, what I'm getting from friends of mine who are sort of centre or left or whatever, who are talking about, you know, when we're talking about the news and they go, it's terrible that people are not watching mainstream news anymore. They're not reading. They're going to these biased alternative sources of news. And I keep saying, do you not realize how biased the mainstream is?

And these are examples of it. And this it's people like this and this attitudes like this. And as you say, activist journalism, whether it's on the right or on the left, it's going to put people off. Even if people are not entirely clear that that's actually what's happening, they can sort of feel it. You sense that you're being worked on, that you're not hearing news, you're hearing marketing. So it's why people are going in droves, leaving mainstream media. And yes, they're looking elsewhere and they might be going to other sources of information that are biased, but at least they're going for the alternatives because mainstream is not giving them the independent, rational journalism that it used to do. No, absolutely not. And the thing is, Darren Grimes, I would argue that actually the mainstream media, Wokai TV, for example, is far more biased than the independent media. And the worst thing is, is they just pretend they're not. They're not honest about where they're coming from. And when it comes to Paul Brand, the fact that he was really just this scandal hunter, and I think they were mainly fake scandals, you know, the so-called party gate. And I was on GB News at the time and I blew it apart

really every night that these were fake scandals. These were not real scandals, but they were designed to drive Boris Johnson from office. But whatever, he won journalism awards for it. He was lauded in the legacy media world world so you'd think he'd be trying to do the same thing now wouldn't you about a whole succession of scandals lord ali etc etc etc not a thing not a thing instead he has become like the number one propagandist for assisted dying it's weird yeah absolutely i i don't see i see the whole saga over boris johnson having a slice of cake or whatever it was yeah that was i see that yeah i see that as an attempt to actually get the man who won brexit uh who helped really lead the charge on that uh within the parliamentary Conservative Party. And then,

of course, the fact that he managed to win a majority in 2019, that they weren't expecting him to actually be able to get of that size. He has always proven them wrong. And I think they wanted to get that man because he allowed the undesirables to actually be able to get some semblance of what they voted for at the ballot box. It didn't turn out like that ultimately, but that's why they wanted rid of him. And they got what they wanted in the end. I see this as they purport to be these journalists with integrity and journalism of the old school. They would shun shows like yours, Dan. They would say, ah, well, it's so incredibly biased. I love the fact that I know what your show is about.

And increasingly, more people know what ITV is about. And that's bashing anyone on the right, any political party on the right. And it's been a propagandist for the left. They don't care about Sakea Starmer's travails at the minute, and there are plenty of them. And there's his husband, who was in number 10, Dan, at one point, wasn't he? Well, he's still part of that world, isn't he? Yeah.

And, you know, wonder where he gets his stories from, but there you go. There you go. OK. Let's continue. The countdown of the 50 worst people in the UK today. Unlucky number 13, but dropping seven places from last year. Ex-Countdown host, former David Cameron groupie, turned left-wing ex-troll. That's all she really does these days. Carol Vorderman. Oh, Vorders. Oh, Vorders, it hasn't

been a good year for you, love. Hence why you're out of the top 10. Too left-wing for even LBC. She departed her show at Labour's favourite radio station in murky circumstances and now continues to shill for the likes of the increasingly irrelevant byline times. On Sly News, she was humiliated when demanding an apology from Slippery Starmer over the winter fuel allowance removal, despite having spent years campaigning for the man. And I have to say, Darren, I haven't seen a fall from grace as swift of that of Carol Vorderman's because her deranged negativity about the Tories, who, by the way, just a year or so earlier, she'd loved, she'd advised David Cameron, she'd hung out with Boris Johnson, She'd socialized with Matt Hancock.

But as soon as she decided that she was going to shill for Labour, she was hysterical in her hatred of the Tories. I mean, it was absolutely nuts. And she also promised some sort of utopia under the Labour regime. We were going to enter a brand new era, she believed. But indeed, with the removal of the winter fuel allowance, very, very quickly, she was humiliated. Yeah, it's because people like her have no clue what they're actually talking about. They just think that actually it makes them popular on X and other platforms to scream until the cows come home that we need to get the Tories out. Shrieking in a high pitched, shrill voice like a sort of malfunctioning Alexa with a GCSE in using X, you know.

And she got a wish. And then, as you say, Labour march into power. And the very first thing they do is say to your gran down the road, no, thanks, love. We're not going to go after the billionaires. We're not going to go after any of the lefty claptrap that is always parroted. We're actually going to go straight for the pensioners, scraping by some of them down on £12, a year and she said to sly news that she felt she'd been duped well many of us could have told you this long before labor actually got in power she didn't ask the right questions did she she treated starmer as if he was a god absolutely yeah exactly as if he was about to you know pop around with flowers when she said she'd been duped and uh invite her in for a refund on the years that she spent being a

mouthpiece a gob on a stick for sakir starmer i mean she's actually put me off having botox down because i'm a bit worried that it might do something to your brain. She's gone so far off the radar. This anti-Tory crusade. She's never had any form of surgery or treatment. She thinks it's some kind of national service, though, this crusade that she's been on. And in reality, all she's done is help pave the way for a government that's every bit as ruthless, just more sanctimonious about it,

and with more cheerleaders like her on the left. I mean, I sort of respect her in a way for not trying to spin it or I would say she hadn't made a mistake. But, you know, she should have been open about the fact that actually it's a betrayal to anyone with eyes that you could have seen coming unless you were too busy as a political saviour from the backseat of a sodden Tesla. You know, I just find her so, she's basically, it's a bit like, I don't know, swapping Cruella de Vil for Mary Poppins. I used to love her when I was watching telly as a kid. And now she's this Cruella type figure on the left shilling for Sakhir Starmer. I find it all deeply depressing, deeply depressing.

And goodness only knows what she's going to do next, Dan. No, I know, Jasmine. What do you make of the downfall of borders? Well, what nobody's talking about very much is the fact that a few years ago, I'm just trying to think when it was, would it be the 90s or noughties? She was on our daytime TV on a daily basis, pushing dodgy loans, those that you would get on daytime TV. You have quite an outstanding, outspoken Barney with Martin Lewis about it, because there she was promoting these really expensive loans. Sort of thing I used to shout at the television about. I don't anymore.

I'm a bit better about that now, but I was at the time, you know, I would shout at her. What was she doing? And then now she's saying, oh, the Tories are terrible because they're harming people. And, you know, we love that labor. She really needs to look at her own background and what she's been promoting next to this. It really isn't very helpful. And I think that's what's undermining a lot of what she does and what she says. It's not just that she's been proved wrong with Labour, but her own background speaks over to her. And the hypocrisy of it, I think,

is what a lot of people are really angry about. Absolutely. But Jasmine, what I find so fascinating, too, is that she is too left wing. She is too extreme for LBC, the Labour Broadcasting Company. And that's so interesting to me as well. It's very much what I've seen happen at GB News, probably since my departure, which is that you have to fit into the certain Overton window, both on the left and the right, if you want to maintain these mainstream platforms. And it was humiliating for her because she had to come up with this whole excuse about how like, oh, I've got all of this other work. No, she doesn't. She'd left a BBC Wales show. There's not lots of other work. It was very, very clear that just like with Sangeeta Miska, she had received the elbow from LBC. Although,

of course, they deny that. At the same time, Jasmine, I know how these things work. LBC will always give you a nice off ramp if you want to say that you've chosen to leave. So that's quite interesting too, isn't it? She's even now too extreme for the station of James O'Brien. The station of James O'Brien and, as you say, Emily Maitlis. We've got these different types of irritating people, haven't we? So we've got Carol Vorderman who has been, yeah, just mad, frankly. But Emily and the centrist types, these are people with a lot of money who are promoting apparently left wing ideology. But they are completely separate from real traditional Labour voters, the workers who have been completely dropped, it seems to me, by Labour. Labour now, like the Democrats in America, is the party of management. It's the managerial class. They despise and loathe white van man, people who are actually, you know,

horny handed sons of the soil, people who are actually doing things. They only really like people with a degree who work on a laptop and just sort of talk ideas. They are not genuinely supporting the working classes. And that's why the working classes largely have left Labour and have moved to reform or, you know, one of those, possibly the Tories. But, you know, they're looking for a party that actually cares about them. What do you think, Darren, about the fact that LBC seemed to relieve Carol Waterman, shall we say, of her duty? Yeah, well, I find it's pretty extraordinary in and of itself, but I assume they just view

her as a bit of a loose cannon. You know, she's now in the sort of category of the own Joneses of the world. She basically, hopefully next time, Dan, she makes a prediction or backs the wrong horse. It's not actually about booting out one bad lot for another with different slogans. It's about not getting fooled in the first place. And that's what the savvy British people are waking up to. But she wouldn't know that from her liberal metropolitan enclave, where, you know, she's for a long time made good money. I mean, it's probably not coming in in vast quantities as it once was. But all the same, she is someone that has done very well out of life and she simply does not get it.

All she was was, she would have seen, Dan, on her phone, the number of likes and retweets and all these other things that she was getting. And as soon as Starmer gets in and does that, I saw her account go locked. You know, she locked her account. All of a sudden, she lost her dopamine hit from this X outlet where she was tweeting, goodness only knows how many a day, more than Elon Musk. Elon even said, hang on a minute, Kaz. Honestly, it was absurd. And I see the LBCs of the world and even the BBCs that got her on in the first place. Again, it smacks of the kind of bias that's evident in these outlets. They would never, ever entertain having someone from the right in these institutions.

So that ought to tell people and be very instructive of what they're about in the first place. And just to wrap our discussion about Carol, I don't mean to disturb you, but can I show you the most traumatic image of the year? She actually posted this. That's Vorders dressed, as always, completely inappropriately with James O'Brien sort of giving her the bedroom eyes outside their dressing room. I I'm like what are you doing

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more concerning, not to mention her police forces cracking down on free speech in a terrifying manner. Cooper is dangerously incompetent and we are all far less safe with her in the post. Yvette Cooper, Darren Grimes, your view. Oh, look, I mean, she just came out actually very, very recently indeed. And she said that what they need to do as a government is look into third party countries that could take in illegal migrants. Now, Dan, forgive me, but you're a journalist. Have you heard this idea before? I think I have. And I think I recall the Labour Party getting into power and cancelling the deal that was signed with Rwanda when Boris Johnson got into power. I mean, these people, they think we're all absolutely stark raven mad or absolutely moronically stupid. I find Mrs Balls, as I call her, I find her to be completely contemptible in the sense of, you mentioned

there the Rudica Barna case, and of course, a myriad of other ways in which she says one thing and does totally the opposite. The two-tier justice system, for example, right, in this country, the two-tier way in which we're going to go about lawmaking that's coming into force next week, I think actually Yvette Cooper wouldn't dare warn cops off of getting involved in that sort of thing. And let's not forget under her watch that there have been police officers turn up to a man's house because he criticised a new head teacher that was installed in his kids' schools. I think we are dangerously reaching a road where we become a client state of mass migration, where Yvette Cooper is simply a guardian

for those who aren't the white working class, who the Labour Party absolutely loathe. They are so completely out of touch. But the good news is that I think she could lose a seat at the next election thanks to Reform UK. And Dan, wouldn't that be nectar from the gods? I just wish we were not going to be waiting for however many years. And the thing is, Jasmine Birtles, when she's grilled, and I'm being facetious in the mainstream media, it's by her husband. It's by her actual husband, where they share pillow talk on ITV. And the off communists say there's absolutely no problem with

that. But there's a huge problem with, you know, Nigel Farage and Alex Phillips broadcasting, but this is fine, Jasmine. Well, exactly. And if only they would be equal, if they would be reasonable. But Ofcom, yet again, another of the organisations that is just part of the left and, as you say, gives the left an easy ride while screaming and shouting and demanding jail sentences for those on the right. It's I mean, it's a joke. It's a bad joke. But again, people are seeing it. Certainly those on the right are seeing it and go, come on, be at least be equal. Absolutely. I think there's all sorts of arguments you could have to say that no politician should have a place in the media. That's certainly I thought used to be the case, frankly. But if

you're going to do it for one side, you absolutely have to do it for the other side. And that was a stupid, pathetic interview. It was going to be. I mean, he's not going to say, how dare you, Home Secretary? What absolute lies you're telling? His life would not be worth living when he went home. Of course not.

And that was at such a critical time, though, because it was during the so-called riots after the Southport massacre when Yvette Cooper was blatantly lying to the British public about the truth of Axel Rudacabana. And instead, what did they discuss? Let's crack down on social media. We need to take away free speech. That was their answer. And Ed Ball set her up for that, revealing their pillow talk live on air.

I found it truly despicable. I mean, it's happening. Oh, sorry, you go, Jasmine. Well, I was going to say, you know, it is happening. I mean, like I was saying about people like Marine Le Pen and the Romanian president being put in jail or, you know, being banned, banned in some way from standing. And, you know, reform, they're trying to ban them from even standing in Scotland.

If you ban free speech, if you ban people from even speaking, then you don't have the argument. They cannot cope with actual arguments based on truth in any direction, whether it's social or whether it's political. This is their answer all the time. Just shut it up. Just be quiet. Just put them away so that nobody can hear. At number 11 now on the countdown,

up 10 positions from last year, Britain's Ligger. Our Ligger-in-Chief, the Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner. Now, do you remember what Angela Rayner promised to the former Conservative government in a foul mouth rant? She said, we cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile, banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian piece of scum. That was what Angela Rayner promised we could not get worse of. But indeed we could. Because Red Rayner has managed to avoid any hard work by instead becoming Labour's Ligurian Chief, travelling the world on our dime and even

requesting to go on a private safari on a taxpayer-funded jolly to Ethiopia, Darren Grimes, while Britain burns. And she just doesn't give a damn because she's waiting for it all to burn down so she can swoop in and replace Keir Starmer on the left and become an unelected prime minister of the UK. I find her actions this year completely despicable. I mean, God help us, Dan, if that did actually happen. Well, I see it happening. I really do. Yeah. Well, the left of the members of the political party would certainly allow it to happen. So you may well be right. Look, ultimately, I will never, ever forget that scene of her begging for votes from a group of Muslim men over the issue of Gaza.

Right. There was not a woman in sight. And she was sat there saying, you know how much I stand up for you, blah, blah, blah. We will do X, Y and Z on Gaza. Isn't Israel awful? And I found it sickening to watch, actually. I found it really quite worrying. And I also find it deeply worrying that the Labour Party think that one representative in their cabinet, that is from a working class background, which Rainer undoubtedly is,

that's enough to make us all think that this is still the Labour Party of the miners and the steel workers. It ain't. She has proven herself to be just as corruptible as the kind of politicians that she has lamented over the years, such as Boris Johnson, especially over the issue of freebies. Do you remember, Dan, waxing lyrical over the wallpaper that Boris Johnson had put in number 10, which he then paid back? It was given by a donor, Lord Brownlow, and Boris paid it back. And the Labour Party went for him like you wouldn't believe. Angela's walking around in this frumpy piece of fabric, this green pantsuit, thinking that she looks

like some kind of svelte Hillary Clinton, when actually she looked like she's walked out in someone's duvet. It was preposterous. And Lord Ali has spent great money on her outfits, yet she still turns up wearing these goth creepers, goth creepers, to meet His Majesty the King. I don't care what kind of background she's come from. That is disrespectful and it is completely unbecoming for the Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I think she is a total joke. And if any journalist worth their salt actually got to sit down with her

for a good while in a long form interview, she would crumble like a crisp packet in an open flame. Probably one that Gary Lineker has tried to sell the kids whilst telling the nation that they're too fat and that poverty is immiserating and making people obese. I just find them all so, so reprehensible, Dan. And she has to be up there with the very, very worst offenders. So I'm delighted to see her reach number 11. I know not quite the top 10, though, Jasmine. Are you a fan, Jasmine, of Red Rainer? I'm not. I'm afraid.

I mean, she does make me laugh, to be fair. You know, our basic instinct fan. Let's be really honest. The growler. Goodness knows what's in her background. The thing is, it's so depressing when you have somebody in such a high position who has been using words like scum about the opposition. We need more grace in everything.

We certainly need more grace in politics. We need people who, as Darren says, who have a sense of respect. We need some relatively, well, it doesn't have to be massively high, but at least a half decent level of intellect, which we literally do not have in the cabinet today. Not just Angela Rayner, but you look across the whole sea of faces and it's very hard to find anybody that could rub two brain cells together.

Honestly, I think Starmer is probably the most intelligent of them. And he sounds mostly like a robot. Nobody wants him. So with Angela, I mean, she's entertaining. I'll give her that. Who was it that she gave, to whom she gave a portrait of herself just recently? Was it the Thai Prime Minister? Yes, but then she tried to say, and look, I don't know if it's correct or not, but she said, no, no, no, no.

Actually, they had drawn the portrait for me. But come on, she's a car crash on the international stage. She's shameless. She's using her time as deputy prime minister to literally see the world as Britain burns. And I think it's quite something. But yeah, I do agree, Jasmine. Sometimes she is funny.

She's certainly more funny than, you know, Yvette or Starma, who are just absolutely terrifying. But what a dream duo. Thank you so much to Jasmine Bertels, at Jasmine, like the best ex-name on the planet, and also behind News Uncut on Substack, and Darren Grimes of Darren Grimes Unleashed, which you can subscribe to at

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