Dan Wootton Outspoken - YOUNG BOB CLASHES WITH LEFTIE WOMEN TWICE HIS AGE ON TOMMY ROBINSON ISLAMISM MIGRANTS & ABORTION

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

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What were the particular quotes from the people actually speaking at that rally, which would incite violence? I couldn't share that with you. You've come here allegedly researched. You mentioned Tommy Robinson. You weren't disclosing the actual comments that you thought considered. Why do I have statistics and I have facts? And you have no facts. I think it is so wrong and lazy to derive those patriots.

and suggest that there was anything spreading hate. They're not spreading hate. Are you kidding me? I'm deadly serious. I'm spreading hope. By saying, you know, take away all the Muslims, don't have any immigrants. That's not hate.

I'd actually say that Tommy Robinson's against that. He doesn't like Muslims. Talks about how in prison he had like Muslim friends. I've only talked about why Christianity is superior. Islam is not superior. It is the one too fake for me. Quran is actually a massive polemic against Christians. It is not against Christians.

It is. You've said that Islam is compatible with the Green Party, compatible with transgenderism. It is. It's absolutely not. Don't be intellectually sloppy. I'm not intellectually sloppy. Okay, start as we need to look at reversing mass migration. Under your remigration concept, what happens to Fahima Muhammad?

You want an authoritarian state. I live in an area in which the white British person's a minority. Because they're not giving birth, okay? They're not having babies. I go to a lake district and say, Muhammad's a pervert. Nothing would happen to me. You got to white champ, I'll probably be killed. Why would you do that anyway? We have to collectively understand all.

abortion's immoral. So offensive. Oh my God. If your future wife was sadly raped. I've asked her this question. What would you want her to do? Yeah, I've asked my fiance this question and she said, young boy is treated like the freak because he's an 18 year old virgin. No spin, no bias, no sense. It's up. I'm Dan Wooden. Welcome to a special edition of Outspoken. This is the clash with a difference. The takedown where heavy weights of the right are put on the spot to argue their controversial takes on subjects chosen by us with no preparation whatsoever versus two highly prepared and researched opponents who are held bent on a mission to take them down. So taking on the takedown challenge today is young Bob, the 18-year-old

street activist sensation who is going up against entrepreneur, the CEO and founder of Hollywood Browell Beauty, Amy Anzal, and the star of the Green Party for Hema Muhammad. So now, let's go. Okay, so can we just be serious about this? Who is more dangerous? The lunatic left. The lunatic left who assassinate Charlie Kirk and Anne Whittakerum or the pragmatic right,

who want to have intelligent conversations about the ongoing destruction of the West. One person who would argue the former and has real life experience of exactly why is the activist young Bob. At 18 years old, he has been beaten up by leftists. He has been egged by leftists. He has had curry thrown over him by leftists. He has had his equipment stolen by leftists simply for holding views. which, let's be honest, as Elon Musk said quite recently, just what ordinary people think, right? Well, today, he's going to clash on this issue versus two leftists. BBC star, Amy Anzell, and the Greens for Hima Muhammad.

So, young Bob, great to have you here. You're in the lion's den surrounded by leftists today. Other than me, of course, I'm totally neutral. You have 60 seconds to put your case before the takedown begins. So, young Bob, why is the left more dangerous than the right? Cool. So I want to make two distinctions when going on this argument. The first being the practical expression of a political ideology, so where you see the ideology out on the streets and what the ideology prescribes itself.

So the actual details or the alleged abstract ideas of that ideology. So when we look at the practical expressions of that ideology, in the case of St. up to racism and Antifa, they're just simply being internally consistent with their own logic. If they teach that they need to fight fascism on a street level and they prescribe and have a very broad bandwidth of what it means to be a fascist, you are just violently attacking people who slightly divert away from your position. So, for example, my own experience, I've been attacked simply for supporting an established right-win political party that being restored Britain. In the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we have messages between Tyler Robinson,

and his partner talking about how, because of his discussions on trans rights, he needs to be taking out and you can't stand the fact he actually lives and exists. So if you are actually a leftist and you sell this lie that right-wingers should be prescribed as fascists, then the course of action should be violence. I mean, if you teach me that there's a group of individuals trying to take my rights to exist, then of course I'm going to act accordingly. The second being the ideological. So if you teach that you have to be tolerant, what do you do of intolerance,

is known as the paradox of tolerance. Now, if you teach multiculturalism and the right to teach us of a monocode of democratic security, of a prevailing Christian heritage, then that's fundamentally incompatible with the left-wing view of multiculturalism, that you need several different systems

of contradictory belief to exist in one society. So the inevitable outcome is the attack. Okay, that is Young Bob's case. Amy Ansel, take him down. If you're going to say, Loonie Lass, I'm going to say radical, ridiculous rights, because they're absolutely more dangerous. I have several examples to share with you. Don't look at my notes.

So first of all, let's talk about Tommy Robinson and Mays Unite the Kingdom Rally, spreading hate, inciting violence, killing 26 police officers, 25 protesters were arrested for kicking, punching, and it's just crazy. Sorry, just to clarify, you're saying the Unite the Kingdom Rally spread hate and incited violence. I just have to really clarify that because we broadcast every single second here on Outspoken and there was none of what you're suggesting. Really? Yeah.

That's what I saw in the mainstream media? What were the particular quotes from the people actually speaking at that rally, which would incite violence? I couldn't share that with you, but I'm sure if you gave me a moment, I can look it up. So let's move on to the... Can I then apply the same standards to the... comments of Zach Polanski where he said that we should create a society where certain right-wing individuals don't live there. Would that be inciting violence? Were certain right, say that again, please?

He said on his podcast that we should exclude certain right-wing thinkers who cannot go to their way of life outside of their society. So we should form a United Kingdom where people like myself shouldn't be able to live there. Well, young Bob, I think we should ask Fahima that. Her boss is Zach Pallanski. So it's only fair, I think, that Fahima tries to explain that. Firstly, no one's my boss, and I don't represent anyone. I am speaking for myself. But you're a member of the Green Party. I am a member of the Green Party.

A rising star of the Green Party. I don't know about that. But at the same time, whatever you're saying, we can say exactly the same of the right. Just like with extremism, it exists. But you should hold yourself to a higher standard, right? Everyone holds themselves to a highest standard. So don't compare yourself to an ideology you don't believe, and rather compare yourself to the broad church of thinkers on your ideology.

So if you're saying that the right of violent, then don't counteract that with the same degree of violence. I don't think any violence is correct. Fantastic. So do you believe that when I say... And I do not agree with anyone attacking anyone. I've always said that when it comes to extremism, they exist on both sides. Okay, do you agree that Zach Palancey's comments in these podcasts that we should exclude right-wingers in the society that he would like to form is considered enacting a form of violence? I don't know.

I don't know what he means by. actually exempting them and actually not having them part of it. Whether it's in politics, whether it's in society. If I were to say that we should exclude Muslims from this society, what does that look like? What does it mean to exclude someone? That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say. Exclude in what sense.

What did he actually, you know, assume in that sense? Because he's talking about the education of right wingers. If you actually look in context, he was saying that there are certain right wing thinkers that cannot come to our side of living, that have too much of an extreme ideology and should not be able to live in our society. I'm not going to shy away from it. You ask for the example, you're not going to like this.

She was a friend of mine. Anne Widdickham has just been excluded from British society, has she not? I don't think she was excluded from British society. I think people have opinions like we all do living under this law where we can have difference and it's nuanced. But the point that I'm making is she was taken out. She was on the hope not hate website. We do not know the details of why.

she was taken out and by whom exactly when it comes to their... No, there's an ongoing trial which makes it very difficult to talk about this. But what I'm saying is you're saying to young Bob, well, what does that Polansky mean? What does it exclude it mean? I do think that because again, we're going to bring one case, okay, or, you know, a few cases to entarnish the entire group, which I think shouldn't be... Which it shouldn't be the same for the right wing or the left wing.

But if Tommy Robinson would go out on a stage and he says, that I believe ethnic minorities shouldn't be included in society that we're building, and millions of people roared on when he said that. You would say that that's an example of right-wing intolerance and then endorsing violence. Now, why can't you play the same standard when you're talking about another political ideology, another demographic people? I hear what you're saying, but for me, it's all about the British law, okay? As far as I'm concerned, you're allowed to say that.

Even Tommy Robinson can say that. Do you agree with it, though? I don't agree with it, and I'm allowed not to agree with it. Just like the other side. Just like the other side. Zach Polanski had his way of not including right-wingers in his society. And you can see this with like a communist China, right? You know, having re-education camps that then move on to concentration camps.

You try to indoctrinate the masses. When that doesn't work, you start killing them off. Well, I don't think he's trying to kill them off. He's just trying to say that in certain society forever, for them to be sort of compatible, for them to be living, you know, co-existing, then they should be, sort of like, you know, a framework where people that are excluding the other should really not be there to say that. And that's what I said in my opening statement. I know, I know that. And I agree. But like I said, we don't know exactly what he meant. We don't, I don't think he means like excluding them from society.

How would you articulate then? If, for example, for many people, for many left wingers, I'm considered to be intolerance or tolerance, right? I don't believe in motoculturalism. I think we should live in a monocode, I think we should have demographic security. That is very much apathetical to what motorculturalism teaches where you can have several different systems of belief. Now, in the case of myself, let's say the Green Party go on to government, how would you go about allegedly re-educating me or having me being able to live in a society which I fundamentally disagree with? Well, to be fair, you are living in it. You're sitting right next to me, something that you completely oppose. We are living. The reality is

different. What you're asking for is not reality. Reality is when you even go to your areas, you see people every day on the streets. That's the difference. What you're calling for. Do you not understand? It's already happening. You don't understand. We are living in that way.

Whether it's the right or the left in government, we all seem to live under multiculturalism, under differences, under, you know, the banner of so many different ethnicities, backgrounds and belief. Well, we do live. You're sitting right next to me in the space. Council culture is the symptom of multiculturalism, where it tries to suppress and counsel the living style of people on the right.

That's your opinion. I don't think that. Well, I'll prove it, right? Because of course, you're going to disagree with me. That's what a discussion is. It's not about disagreement. It's the reality. Hold on. If you have a right winger who is counseled, you're trying to suppress their ability to live. You cut off their finances by firing them. You shun them from society. In the cases of students like myself, they're shunned from campuses. They're potentially expelled. Well, that happens on the left as well. If they're pro-Palestinian, for example, or, you know, if they are talking in a particular way, it happens on both sides. That's what you're not trying to see. On any sort of extreme. I think disproportionately happens in the right. That's your opinion. I think disproportionately, you know, disproportionately, it happens more on the left. Especially on university campuses.

So many doctors who have not actually done anything wrong, and they've only said that we are there for solidarity with Palestinians. They have been cut off their sort of like, you know, professionalism. There's lots that are happening. People that have been on the Holocaust that have been on those kind of marches with, you know, Palestine solidarity. They have also been. That's not the reason. But that's not the reason why they're being. That is the reason. A lot of people, there are lobbyists on bolsa.

If you're talking about the instances of the London universities, if I'm not mistaken, that that was because they had unauthorized protest. Even if the right attempted to organize in the same way that the left in the Palestine movement, tried to organize a university. We don't. In fact, there's disproportionate amount of university societies that are for the left compared to right-wing societies. Well, maybe a lot of the people in the right are not in universities.

That's the difference as well. Okay. Let me bring Amy back in here. So, Amy, the only example that you've been able to bring. So far. I've totally destroyed. So Tommy Robinson and the United Kingdom rally. I feel really passionate about that one, Amy, because I was at the United Kingdom

rally two rallies ago. And then we broadcast every single minute of the most recent rally. And I think it is so wrong and lazy to derive those patriots and suggest that there was anything spreading hate or inciting violence. As I say, they're not spreading hate. Are you kidding me? The Tommy Robinson. I'm deadly serious. Are you like, sort of like, really, by saying, you know, take away all the Muslims,

don't have any immigrants, that's not hate? I'd actually say that Tommy Robinson's against that. So you're, he doesn't like Muslims. He doesn't like Muslims. Hold on. So Tommy Robinson's ideology is more personal than it is ideological. And I'll explain why. So he grew up in Luton, right? And he actually gets a lot of flack from on the internet. He will say, you know, he doesn't look at people as categories, but rather individuals. This is what Carl Benjamin was actually speaking about in comparing Tomi Robinson's

ideology compared to people like Steve Laws. You know, arguably, he's the centerground, because he can identify individuals who aren't fundamentalist and he could claim are integrated compared to individuals which adhere to a category which is fundamentalist Islam. And that's why he doesn't talk about fundamentalists. He talks about all Muslims, unfortunately. I even don't agree with fundamentalists, you know, Muslims or extreme Muslims myself as a Muslim. So at the same time, when you are going on there, he's not talking about extreme. He talks about how in prison he had like Muslim friends and like how he goes there and he has people that are coming on that are not just for fundamentalists of extremists of that side of that faith. He has people that have come

of there, you know, that Valentina as well. Go-Me, it's Valentina, going to. Yeah, she just doesn't like anyone who is sort of foreign, national, even though that's a, who she is. She even has most of the foreign accent you can even think of. So it's all about Islam and Muslims as a whole. It's a whole. American right-wing politics and idea. Tommy invited majority of them. You can't compare American right-winger's compared to English right-wingers.

But they were invited in the actual rally. Americanism's an idea. But they were invited to the United Kingdom rally. Majority of them were invited to that rally, you know, proposing all of that American thing and ideology onto the British, you know, community. And a lot of British people will very shock themselves because they don't perform like that.

They work alongside it. They have business ownership around that. Can I just ask you, did you watch the outspoken coverage of the United Kingdom Rally? Yes, I did. And what did you see that incited hate? You're a commentator and you're talking over it. But when you listen to the speeches and you understand what it is.

Yeah, and I heard that. What do you mean what was that? If they're talking, the fact that, you know, Muslims, Islam, you know, taking mockery, the fact that, you know, we shouldn't be here. We are taking over. Immigrants are here, especially Muslims, are sort of like all. Well, there is an Islamist takeover of this country. There is no such thing as a takeover. Well, the problem is, there is a demographic takeover.

Absolutely not. The problem is that Islam's a prostitizing religion and you can't have two prostitizing religions live in the same country. And that's why there's always going to be a clash. So Muslims themselves don't agree. There is no such thing as even discussing Islam, like as if it is a block or one thing. Well, it goes to any town centre, you have a Taoist stance. I want to come back and talk. Even I don't agree with that theology.

But you can say you disagree with everyone, but then you don't have an ideology. You're just too self. But we are going to... No, I do have an ideology. You're inconsistent. I am. If you're on Muslim, you adhere to the articles of the Islamic faith, which includes given Tao. No, but even that, it is so much interpretation with context.

I don't think... I don't believe you should give people a God-given religion. We are... No, you can. You can. We are going to come back and we are going to talk much, much more about Christianity and Islam. That is very important. But specifically here, we are talking about violence, right?

Because that's what's top of the news agenda after the death. Now, Amy, can I just ask you, have you seen anyone on the right? I mean, you say the right is more dangerous than the left? Have you seen anyone on the right, genuine question, throwing curry, beating up, egging, left-wingers? Have you seen someone on the left who is getting physically attacked by right wingers in the same way that young Bob on a regular basis gets beaten up by left wingers? Well, something I wanted to bring up with relation to the fact that there's been terrible violence when it comes to American as well as British is when the US Capitol was attacked by a mob back in 2021, simply because they were unhappy with the election results, which was led by Trump. So you're going to January 6th. That's the example you've got. Yeah, 2020.

Okay. So we're talking about British politics and you're raising what happened in the capital. We mentioned American. Okay, but I'm asking you in the UK, I've got proof. I've played it on the show every time that Bob has been physically attacked, including outside mosques and white chapel, including by woketopians on universities. This is not just in London. It's all around the country. Can you think of a left winger who has been attacked in the same way? I can't. There is. There is loads. In Liverpool, there were racist attacks outside Muslim businesses, okay?

And they were say, get them out, you know, who the F is, Allah, and this and that. So that happens constantly. You just don't want to, you know, see it. You need to blink it, obviously. But at the same time, you do get that. You do get people abused. There was just a streaming video of someone outside a mosque that was unprovoked, was attack, slapped right outside the mosque because they were standing there as a ass.

security for the Muslim community. Okay. And that happened in Ireland. It happened in Scotland. It happens across the UK. It happened in Liverpool just a few days ago. And then you have also anti-racism sort of protest and you get the far right that come in there and also try to counter protest, you know, both sides. You see that all the time. You don't actually, you know, hear that. Violence. Violence. Of course violence. The problem with the left and the right is the way the ideologies are transmitted. So how is the left transmitted in the United Kingdom? It's through unions. It's through stand-ups, racism.

It's for Antifa. The sort of lifeless, masked-up militia, right? There is no left-wing equivalent to young Bob in this country, unless you could point me to an 18-year-old who's a left-winger, who does campus debates or whatever. But the right wing is transmitted by individuals, podcasts, and media. So when you look at the relationship between the left and the right, now there are examples of people outside of politics who do go out and attack temples,

mosques, right? And I'm condemning that. But that's not by right. right-wing pundits. The reason why the people on the left... They are. They are. Yes, they are. Have you ever seen Tommy Robinson firebom a mosque? No, he basically... Okay, so we're talking about the relationship between the left and the right.

Even still, it's exactly the same. They're the ones that are actually quoting Tommy Robinson's rhetoric. They are the ones there even saying and calling out Tommy Robinson's name when they are doing all of this. Is it ideologically justified? Yes, it is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It's exactly from there. They feel strong because of it. Okay. If you look at, Northern Ireland, for example, it comes from a deeply deprived, poor, loyalist community,

which disproportionately has HMOs, right? So it's not ideological, it's just people's real-life experience. That's the issue when you talk about, okay, which one's more violent, the left or the right? And that's why I made two distinctions when I had my opening statement. Well, Joe Cox was murdered by, you know, a far right. We have murders on both. We've had political, you know, sort of like murders from the far right as well as from the far left. So again, you're not making sense. As far as I'm concerned, I think both sides are wrong. Because the issue, like I said before, is the way that these two ideologies are transmitted. Now, if the left just simply have faceless thugs running the scene of the left when it comes to

protesting, for example, compared to the right, which is mostly ran off independent commentators and punters. No, they're not. They are there in balaclavas. They are there fully face covered, and they are there inciting hate. Do they have unions? Do they have unified platars? Maybe they're not that smart to do that. Who knows? Whatever it is, okay? They can't raise up. We're not marching through the institutions and violently suppressing dissent. The far right does it and they do it in a very violent manner. What institutions are captured by their far right? Well, maybe you don't have the institution as in as you would want to name and label. What institution is captured by what you would know as the far right? Well, I think it's the leaders of certain political parties. Yeah, people are

social media accounts. Didn't answer my question. So that's how it is. What institution is captured by the far It's just the far right from political leaders. And they come down. People are social media accounts. No, they're not just people with social media accounts. They're political leaders. Who are you talking about Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe? Yeah, as well as Tommy Robinson.

Well, Tommy Robinson is literally just a guy with a social media account. No, he's not as innocent as you make it out to be. Every single person, including myself, I'm just a social media guy. The far right. The far right, the far right. And they actually go on the same right. But you're saying Nigel Far Right. Fantastic. But you're saying Nigel Farage's far right. I don't think he's far right.

But you're saying Rupert low. Some of his rhetoric does come across that way. And you're saying Rupert Lowe is far right. I think Rupert Lowe has sort of like incense of certain things that he puts out there, which is against not just Muslims, but women Jews as well. Where's the rest of your evidence? Well, my fourth example was, of course, the Holocaust. Did I mention that?

I know. Yeah, six million Jews were killed. Led by. So I don't think that when you try to plant national socialist. Led by a socialist. Yeah. Like, it's a third position. There's no third positionist party in Britain.

Hold on, can you name me a major third positionist party in Britain that has mainstream support? Far right, what'd you say? Third, that is where national socialism sits, right? Because it's got left-wing economics and right-wing nationalism. So when you look at fascism, I want you to give me an example of a third positionist party here in Britain that has mainstream support and is enacting violence. No one enacts violence in that sense. You've come here allegedly researched. You mentioned Tommy Robinson.

You weren't disclosing the actual comments that you thought considered enacting violence. Then I asked you about national socialism. And you couldn't find, you have no facts. Yes, I do. You have abstract, by-based ideas and you can't give actual substantial. That's exact numbers.

That's specific numbers. They're not made up. But Amy, Amy, those, if you want to use those Unite the Kingdom of Risk figures as facts, then you've got to admit, Notting Hill Carnival must be like a Nazi rally because those numbers of arrests for a major public event where there were millions of people on the streets of Central London are tiny. How do you know they're all left? That's the thing. You guys are categorizing unfairly.

I don't think right wingers promote like degenerate dancing and like doing drugs. I've been there. I've been there. It's not even about a left and a right thing. Abolished Nottingal Carnival. It's terrible. This is not even a left or right. I personally wouldn't go to those kind of carnivals, even being a centre-left myself. So it's not about left and right in those things. That sort of distorts the sexual revolution. But you are really generalising the left. Can I just I just say, I adore you by describing yourself as centre-left. But look, let's just pour. Let's for one moment. Let's force for one moment. Is Christianity the superior religion? I think we can all agree that religious warfare. And this is a decision that we can agree on whether we're left or right.

that religious warfare is breaking out on the streets of modern Britain, that is a consequence, I believe, of this country's erosion of Christianity, King Charles, even promoting and acknowledging the idea of Britain being a multi-faith nation. But as we seem to be drifting further away from the influence that Christianity once had on Britain, there still exists arch defenders of a faith who argue that it is and should be and must be the superior religion. One of them is young Bob. He is taking part in the clash takedown today against the social media entrepreneur and businesswoman Amy Anzal and Green Party star Fahima Muhammad. So young Bob, you have 60 seconds to put your case as to why Christianity is the superior religion of this country.

Okay, so I'm going to make a more broad claim about internationally Christian history. So if you look, Christianity actually spread literacy rates across the globe. 70% of schools in major cities in India were led by Christian missionaries. The Protestant reform brought the Protestant work ethic, which also pushed other denominations into increasing literacy rates across the globe, across different denominations. If you look, Christianity is the only religion, which makes a distinction between the Book of Nature and Holy Scripture.

It separates the divine from the academic, which then encourages growth in terms of the exegesis of the actual text and, of course, the development of our scientific understanding of the world. In terms of actual theological doctrine, the formula of the Trinity is far more superior to any other purely monotheistic religion, as it preaches that God has eternally loved both the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, compared to other gods, which believes that it selfishly loves throughout existence.

And presumably, you're referring to Muhammad there? So I was talking about the conception of God, which is Allah. However, if you want to compare, for example, people like Christ and Muhammad, I think Christ is far more of a pious man and moral man. Okay. Forima, take him down. This is your job today. Well, I have a huge amount of respect for Christianity, for Judaism and for all faiths, but in this country, unfortunately, majority of people, almost close to even half, if not more, are growing that are atheists.

So the problem is not other faiths. It's your own fate that is diluted by your own people. So maybe you should need to address that first and actually expose the fact that your own people are actually not, you know, practicing Christians. And we did have Christianity as a simple... Did I mention Christianity? But even Christianity... You're assuming that I've mentioned other religions in my opening statement.

I've only talked about why Christianity is superior. I didn't mention any other religions. I do agree with it. We have to look inside the house. I understand that. But if you're saying superior, you don't need to make your religion, you know, demonize and sort of make it smaller by having my religion as something that way. Because when you put something, when you put something, when you do have a ranking, obviously by saying superior, that means there's a ranking. And Britain did have a rank.

Fahimi, you believe Islamism is superior to Christianity, don't you? Well, Islam is not superior. It is not the one true faith? It is the one true faith for me. Okay, so then I'm assuming then, the Quran is actually a massive polemic against Christians because it says that you should not take Christians. It is.

You don't take scriptures. You can take scriptures. You know, like it literally says throughout the Quran. We can take the Talmud. We can take scriptures of the Bible. We can take scriptures of the Quran, which is really something that we can promote for an hour, which is going to be derogical.

which is going to be something that even mainstream and everyday people will not actually agree. I am not scared about it. But I think there's context. There is context. And you believe that you believe every other religion outside of Islam is false. Can you agree to that? I don't think it's false. I just think that I have my own belief and that's what I think for me is the truth.

No, but it makes an objective claim that Allah really exists and Muhammad is you find a messenger. I just think that God, I think that God exists in every religion as the same. It's just that you label it differently and you say. You're not a Muslim. You might as well be a Sikh. You can say and you can leave. Every religion is a pathway to the one true God. You're a Sikh.

No. That is exactly what Islam teaches. There is one God. It is one God. It is one God for everyone. You just claim that it isn't and you want to separate it in that way. Arema, aren't you taking a polyanaish view of what Islam really is? No, I'm not.

A lot of people and everyday people believe in that way. So as far as I'm concerned, like I said, it is definitely a nuance. So you're rewriting the religion to suit your Western people. It's not. It's not. Christianity was supreme in this country and it did outcast, even Catholics. But we've got to bring Amy Ansela. Amy, take him down. Well, listen, Christianity has played a major role in Britain's history, which is what you said earlier. But historical importance does not automatically mean one religion is objectively superior. Now, I'm Jewish and I'm a proud Jew. And that doesn't mean that I'm superior to you.

It just means that we have different religions and different beliefs, and we both believe in God, and we get to God in a different way. Can I show you how that's not true? Because there are certain theological doctrines. You want to tell her what's not true about her own faith? Yes. Oh, my God. Okay, because that's what's referred to as a religious polemic.

No, that's just your interpretation. When we talk about certain theological systems of belief, which are compatible with scientific development, for example, Christianity, if you look at the early church, they made a clear distinction between the divine and the academic, that you have to separate the book of Revelation, from the Book of Nature. Now, that is a doctrine only found within Christendom. The rest of the religions, even if you look philosophically, didn't really allow for discussions. So, for example, the convening

of councils. Throughout Christian history, we actually discussed the differences between different expressions within Christianity, which developed philosophy. If you go back to the Muslims, for example, one of the first schisms within Orthodox Islam were the Miltisalites. They killed, they killed people simply because they denied the eternal word of the Quran. So going back to you, I can certainly say, But Christianity as a universal religion certainly has key doctrines, if you look historically, which is allowed for scientific development, which has improved the quality of life across Europe, and is the most moral system of belief that we can see today. Amy, you're shaking your head.

So is Judaism? Well, I don't understand. I mean, Jews have been so contributory to society in so many ways. The Jewish religion is insular. It doesn't allow for people out regularly to convert towards Judaism, which means that it hasn't had as much. Because it hasn't had as much of an impact on history. Because if you are an insular faith, and you see this throughout the Old Testament, right, they were very hostile towards the foreigner.

It means that you're just not going to have... That was with all faiths. All faiths were hostile to the foreigner. All faiths are hostile. The Christians themselves were also hostile to the Catholics. Come on. That's why Britain became what they are today. I think your language is different.

No, it is. They did actually ostracians. them. They did actually not want them in certain states and governments. So at the same time, that's why modern Britain today is about being freer, it's pluralistic. It's not secular, which I would not agree with. I actually do and respect the fact that if it was more of a Christian country, we might find less extremism on either side, especially for the far right, because those that are claiming nationalism and patriotism, I think, I am, I am Muslim and I'm proud, but I know my faith differently to everyone else.

Because my faith teaches me. Fahima, tell me if I'm wrong. You have just admitted that Islamism is contributing to the extremism in this country. You have chosen to live in a Christian country. Why don't you consider converting to Christianity, given you know how destructive Islamism clearly is? My faith is not just about, you know, just one belief. It's a lifestyle, okay? So I pray every day.

I give in charity. I read. I do everything. So for me, I do not. align with sort of the sort of like you know Christian theology so and even within Islam I don't align with you're missing it is superior I don't align with all of the mainstream you know Islamic theology I do not think it is superior I don't if everyone in the UK was a Muslim would the Green Party exist if everyone in if

everyone in the United Kingdom suddenly converted to Islam and we lived under a caliphate would the Green Party exist we don't live in that we're not here to do that. I'm asking your question. We are not in that. That's just like how the Green Party doesn't exist in Saudi Arabia. That's how it is. So it wouldn't. It wouldn't. I'm asking you question. Yes, it wouldn't. It wouldn't exist. It probably would exist in a different sense. No, okay. So a party that's pro trans, a party that's pro the LGBTQ plus community. You're telling me that party would exist. In Iran, they allow certain scholars do you allow trans to actually even change, to change their actual identity from.

Because that is that I cannot remember the name specifically, but it is a scholar from the Shia sect that do allow trans. So you see, the extreme 12thist sect of Shia Islam? They're not extreme. Okay. The Iranian government is a part of extreme strand. And before the war, which is very much against. But they do accept trans and for them to change their identity. I will convert to Islam today.

This woman can provide me a 12thist Shia imam that believes you can trans, you can trans. your gender. Yes, of course it is true. I will do the shahda, live on Dan Witton. It happens in Iran. Absolutely. For him, are you pro trans? I am pro. As a Muslim woman. It's not about pro or not. I believe there are human beings. And I do believe that even in the Quran, it does state that there is confusion. But how do you say that Allah will be cursed to person. You, listen, listen, you know what, don't quote me scriptures that at the same time, everyone has different interpretation, okay? At the same time, we do not discriminate against humans. So you're saying we can't. quote, we can't quote scriptures to back up points.

You don't even have a, you worship yourself. You attend the mosque of yourself. You have no religion. And the Quran actually talks about this, right? It's because you cannot understand that how Muslims actually live. And they do actually follow the way. We don't follow the way you think. And the Christians and how they follow their own interpretation of their faith.

This is the woman that the Quran would condemn at the time of Muhammad. Because you follow your own interpretations. There is no such thing as that. The Quran actually came down allegedly. for people like you who follow your own interpretations. So far, you've said that Islam is compatible with the Green Party, compatible with transgenderism, compatible with left-room progressive identity politics. It's absolutely not.

No, it is true because at the same time, like I said, Islam is nuanced. It is nuanced. Fahimid, as a Muslim, do you believe trans women or women? I think if they, I think biologically they are men, but I think that if they want to change their identity and call themselves that, if the law says it, then fine. Can you justify that chronically? I just said to you.

No, Quranically. In Iran, okay, they do. Well, apparently that's someone's own interpretation. No, it's not. Coronically justify that. In the Quran, it does say that people can be born. There is a script that does say that people can be born, not actually understanding their own identity when it comes to the biology.

That's why this scholar, that's why this scholar, find me the passage. That's why this scholar, I will give it to you afterwards. Fantastic. Could you give it to me now? If you already know out of the top of your head. I don't know on the top of my head. I have researched this before. You've decided to divert from the orthodoxy of your own religion

and you can't even cite to me the scripture that has made you change your mind on the orthodox religion carried out through the sahaba who actually followed an armad. I don't follow the sahaba, okay? I do not follow. Mashallah, this one's a kharahfar. I do not follow. I basically acknowledge them because even those sahbiz, they wrote Hadith that was 100 years later. And I get, I'm a follower of the Jaffiri School of Thought.

Okay. So if you want to know, that's what I follow. So there is about 12 different types of, you know, types of Muslims. And within that, it also does demean after that. So as far as I'm concerned, you have no clue about Islam in the first place. That's why you only see it in a binary sense. It is not binary. No, it is not binary.

God says something is objectively bad or chuctively good. Even within Christianity, even within the Jews, you have Orthodox Jews that even have women stand and walk on a different side of the road. You have Orthodox Jews that are against Zionism. You have so many different things. I think there are different sex. It's more extreme than the other side. Exactly. So they do like also.

Can I just say, for you, Fahima, is there a sense of modern day nuances to the way you interpret things nowadays? No. For your own. So you are strict? I think I am not following strictly enough. I've always a work in progress. That's okay. I would.

Sorry. I'd love to speak to your Amman about this. I'm assuming you're not accurately representing the Islamic faith. I don't represent anyone. I started off saying that. I'm a working progress. I know I have worked to do with my faith. Is there interesting a work in protest and a heretic?

I am a work in progress, meaning I am still trying to get better. Do you want to be more extreme? I need to be not extreme. Okay, well, but because I just want to see it in here. That's what it is. It is not extreme. This is a fascinating conversation. But hold that thought for him because I just want a young boy,

there will be a lot of people who are watching and say, well, actually, if we can't wipe Islam out, because it's probably too late for that in this country, that's a debate, separate debate. A lot of Christians and native English people are converting to Islam as well. So what do you do with that? Exactly. Huge concern. They're not, but it's still a huge concern.

The issue of the religious conversion aspect, and you see this within Christianity as well. If you actually look at the data, most people who convert to other religions, de-convert. That's true with Christians. It's true with Muslims. Not what I've seen. The reason is it's a lack of catechesis. But it's interesting though, isn't it? Because look, this is, I mean, what we're seeing, young Bob,

this is in action what Muslims in this country want to do. They want your people, they want natives, they want them confederate. Now, just let me ask you this question. Some people will listen to Fahima, moderating the argument, and say, well, actually, isn't this good that some Muslims are not embracing the more extreme elements of this religion? Well, like, sure, the Orthodox Muslims will use, like, the idiots of their faith in order to push their religion, right? You see this with the sort of post-cove... You mean Fahima?

Yeah. It's a post-COVID Islamic conversions. And the reason why I actually think a lot of these alleged Muslim converts deconvert is because they're sold a false premise. You see this through Sneco as well. I think he's a good case study. I think he's probably not long for this world when it comes to becoming a Muslim because he was sold this lie that... Islam is a structured faith that would give him purpose. Then he was absolutely railed by the internet,

debating on child marriage, debating how incredibly legalistic his faith is, how it's not what's sold out to be. Then he immediately falls back and becomes liberal. That's the problem. Like, sure, there's liberal Muslims on showcase. So you only accept Orthodox-Extreemed, you know, religious people. That's what you're trying to say.

When I'm saying that they are different nuance between differences You're the eye candy. You're the eye candy, right? They're going to convert into Islam. There you are. Is it possible as well? Can I just ask this question? Because you know, I'm always honest for Himma. Is it possible that you are practicing Tekeia? Well, we can say that about Leila Cunningham. We can say that about Zia Youssef. We can say that about all of that. Well, to be honest, I've always said the reason why Leila Cunningham and Zia Yusuf will not sit here is because I need. need to ask them. I've said this if I need to ask them, are you practicing? Okay, so what's your interpretation of Takia? My interpretation of Takia is lying about the true

reality of Islam. No, no, my understanding as a Muslim of Takia is that a Muslim will go into, say, for example, I had a client who was Irish and she was in an area where she lived. If she was to say that she was Muslim, she would be sort of like attacked or abused. So she pretended not to be. So Takia is actually outwardly saying that you're not Muslim. That's different. That's what my understanding of Takia is. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That you do not.

So Taguia was used historically in places like Egypt, for example, to gain either political power or to just straight up to lied to people. Now, the point is it's about lying to get power. And also as well, I would like to point this out. But if they get power, they cannot, they cannot convert even all Muslims in the same way. So I want to give two points, preferably uninterrupted. So the first point is the reason why I said you're eye candy. You're the eye candy for all Venetians.

of people, the Christians, to convert to Islam because they think it's compatible with their systems of belief. You know, you don't actually have to marry children. Hold on. They do their own research. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. You haven't spoken. Most people are religiously illiterate, right? And I can say this to Christians as well. Most people can't articulate most key doctrines of the Christian faith at the church. You're incredibly pious, great at praying. However, you're the eye candy for the people on the internet seeking purpose because of secularism and atheism. you sell them a fake lie about what Islam actually looks like. They come into the cesspit of Orthodox Islam.

They notice how incredibly evil, unpious, legalistic the faith is. Then they leave. You see this even within Middle East. No, I think firstly, your point is absolutely incorrect because within Islam, unfortunately, we do have cultures that even I don't subscribe to and it's got nothing to do with the faith of Islam. You are sort of, you are, you are sort of, you know,

comparing sort of religion with culture. and you're comparing certain doctrines in a context of a different time which does not even apply today? Does Islam allow for these cultures? Okay, so for example, right? So, you see within, so within my time at Speaker's Corner, right? One of the major things within like the 2010s was Aisha's age, right? Now, many monists like to try to argue that, you know,

they counted ages differently at the time. However, the point should really be, does a form of Islam support child marriage? And if the answer is yes, that's apathetical to the West, right? And the answer is yes, isn't it for him? No, it's not. So are they not Muslims today that exist that believe that Aisha was six at the age of marriage? They are Muslims that believe that, but I'm not one of them.

I'm not one of them. There are different types of Muslims and that's it. Are they Muslims? If they identify as Muslim, that's their interpretation. They support their belief systems scripturally. But even, it's just like with even Christianity when you had, you know, figures that were of a really older age in that time of day that was there. We've got America right now.

Did they use scriptural justification? in a Western democracy that has 33 states that still allow legislation of no, but even still. But at the same time, but I don't think anyone's right. What's a Romeo and Juliet? Hold on. What is a Romeo and Juliet law? Hold on. Hold on.

And even Islam says that. Don't be intellectually sloppy. I'm not intellectually sloppy. Okay, fantastic. Then you would know that most of those 33 states have what we refer to as Romeo and Juliet laws. Now, do you know what they are? Yeah, of course it's with regards to sort of, you know, having permission from their parents and things like that.

Okay, so Romeo and Juliet, if you didn't go to English GCSE, the age difference between Romeo and Juliet was significantly high. Of course I did it. I've got two degrees. Great. So it's not about that. Romeo and Juliet sort of like, you know, theory is the fact that obviously when it comes... They should be a maximum age difference.

So for example... Yeah, but they're still allowing 10-year-olds. That's the problem. Okay. So it wouldn't allow for 10-year-olds. It's not Romeo and Julia as you think. They would be. People are saying that already in America.

A 15-year-old in America, a 15-year-old in America cannot marry a 40-year-old. No, it is actually possible. That's the difference. You're not seeing everything that I'm seeing. And at the same time, you are... No, you're just intellectually sloppy. No, I'm not. Intellectually sloppy.

No, it's not. You can say whatever you want and you can use whatever slogans. You operate under slogans. You can operate under slogans. You can operate under slogans. You are... You are labeling. It makes my job incredibly easier.

That's why an 18-year-old can actually like... You are still... You are still growing. and you still think that you know a lot when you're actually knowing the fact that I understand more than slogans and points I want to chat GBT at thought. You've got chat GBT on your thoughts. This is not chat GBT this is my notes can you not see?

These are my notes. Can we just finish by saying? And these two are allowed to be researched. That's the point of the clash take down. They're allowed to use notes. And don't look on my notes. You can look at mine. It's on my notes. There's just going to be an extreme side to both religions whether you're Jewish, Muslim. It doesn't matter. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. Hold that. That was a fascinating debate. Thank you so much.

Britain is suffering a devastating immigration crisis that has seen some of our most cherished towns and cities changed beyond recognition. There are many debates on how we deal with the issue, and one of the proposals which has caused a split on the right is, of course, re-migration. This policy calls for not only the removal of illegal migrants and foreign criminals, but also the repatriation of many legal migrants and their descendants who have failed to, to assimilate into British society. Many argue it's extreme, whereas of course, I would say it's the only way to save Britain. This is the clash takedown where heavy weights of the right are put on the spot to argue their controversial takes on subjects chosen by us. They have no preparation whatsoever versus two highly prepared and researched opponents who are on a hell-bent mission to take them down. So, bravely taking on the takedown challenge,

Today is Young Bob. He is the 18-year-old street activist sensation going up against the entrepreneur and businesswoman Amy Anzal and star, rising star of the Green Party for Hema Muhammad. So young Bob, you have 60 seconds to put your case on why you think Britain needs to adopt a remigration policy. Fantastic. So I want the repatriation of people who are fiscal net drain to the economy, people who fundamentally hate our way of life. And also, to redefine a high schooled worker and also to remove dependency schemes. I think that is a pretty fair reversal of the pretty liberal migration system within this country. First of all, just because if you receive more into the system than you take out,

I feel like you are damaging the social contract that a migrant has the host country that they're going to. If you look at social integration, I think enclave that no longer communicate with the wider British community cause for issues like you saw in Northern Ireland, which has the second highest concentration of HMOs. We talked about previously in the other debates about how certain areas of this country are beginning to see civil unrest, but that also happens to also correspond to low population of the native British people whilst also slowly being demographically replaced with also if you look at places in like Epping for example, you saw a summer of unrest fare. That was because of migrant hotels that were there without the

democratic consent of its people. The issue is that mass migration has never had the democratic consent of its people, which means people are inevitably going to be fed up with it. Amy Anzel, take him down. Well, we didn't really talk about illegal versus legal. I don't think that was in your initial monologue, really, because you just said it needs re-migration, right? So I just wanted to differentiate. Do you feel that it's both, or do you feel that it's one? So I think that... An unfortunate thing, and I have to tell the right thing is sometimes illegal migration, a lot of the times people, when they say illegal,

they're referring to the people who come here via a small boat. They're technically legally here. So even the most modest position, even amongst the centre ground, if you look at Kirstarming, said we're becoming an island of strangers. You're referring to legal forms of migration. According to the OBS, we have 1.2 million. Visa overstays, failed asylum seekers, because they just scatter, and we don't know where they are.

I don't know even who they are. I think they should be deported. But also, we need to, and now have to be looked at the millions of people that are already inside our country. Look, I semi-agree with you. I just think that Britain needs controlled immigration. They need proper integration.

They need to basically see who is in this country and why. So I do semi-agree with you. But I don't believe, well, ask the government. The government needs to revisit. You're a proponent of that idea. The Conservative Party ran on the mandate. politician, but I do feel there needs to be reform in that we need to review who is here and why. And I agree with you in that, you know, it is a drain to the system. I'm a taxpayer. I run a

small business. Every pound matters. Every Pence matters. So when I feel that money is going to the wrong people who are not contributing to society, you know, I agree with you to a certain extent. However, I don't feel like you should blanket. Do you know what you sound like? You sound like David Cameron when he was on a policy platform to become prime minister of sensible migration. net tens of thousands. That didn't work. The problem is, is the reason why I use the term re-migration, which is a pretty harsh term, even in the right-wing context,

is because when you talk about, you know, this nice utopia of controlled migration, that obviously hasn't worked. You can potentially move to a system of a more charitable stream of migration. However, immediately we need to look at reversing mass migration, fixing in order what's actually inside the house, which are millions of migrants. So how would you do that?

you do that? Fantastic. So first of all, if you're actually looking at moving towards a system of sensible migration, a lot of people who are more economically to the right love going on about this, a high school worker, technically a butcher is considered a high school worker under our current visa scheme. So I'll get rid of that. A butcher? A butcher. Yeah, someone who deals in meat. Okay, a butcher. I think we should get rid of that. I think also as well, because of a lot of the unions and also the bureaucrats, we don't actually hire native British people. So if you look at the NHS, we could resolve a lot of our labor shortages if we just didn't put a cap of people who were able to go to medical school. Is the example of the butcher paying taxes in this country?

Well, I'm assuming so, yeah, but I don't think you should be given a high schooled worker visa. Okay, and they need to be contributing to society. Hold on. Do you think a butcher is a high schooled worker? High skilled worker? Well, I think they're a worker and they're contributing to society. Ultimately, people have to be contributing to society, making money, putting money into the system, not just ticking out. I think we agree on that. Young Bob, under your remigration concept, what happens to Fahima

Muhammad? Are you sending her home? Well, for Mimi, you're a fantastic example. So if you generally do push for the doctrines of the Green Party, which I don't think you do, I think you're an incredibly confused individual. You try to promote Islam

despite the fact you don't... I'm promoting Islam at all. You're a Muslim, but you don't adhere to their core doctrines of the Islamic faith. You are a Green Party supporter which don't support the leader's statement said publicly. That's not true. So currently, if we're looking at the immediate remigration scheme, it wouldn't include people like her because I'm assuming she contributes to the economy. She doesn't have volatile ideas that fundamentally apathletical to this. Which is majority of Muslims, though.

I don't think so. I don't think we're 50 Pakistani men. So you're not sitting for Hima Muhammad House? No. I don't think that will necessarily. But Steve Laws would. Yeah, Steve Lawsword. And that's his, well, I think strategically, you do need a vanguard on the right.

You do need people to the right of you. Of course, this is the sort of same talking point within reform, which can shift the Elverton window and allow for language to be more compatible. However, when we actually get on the table, when people get into power, we talk about, well, are we actually going to enact Steve Laws' policy of total remigration? Well, of course not. What we do want is to reverse demographic change. want demographic security,

want to live in a monocoached society, and we don't want enclaves. Now, she's not a product of an enclave. She's not dogmatic in her beliefs. I'm assuming she's a net positive, contributed to the economy. I am. And also selling this to the general public,

I do not think saying that we need to deport everyone is actually helpful to the right. So for Hema, in Young Bob's world, you're staying. Take them down. Look, I think that remigration is just basically sort of like really another word for mass expulsion for certain minorities and groups. And I totally agree just like you when it comes to having some sort of processes and really being strict on who comes here and making it faster so that we know who is legal and illegal because that's the problem that we have right now.

But that's still a very much minority, right? And when it comes to net migration, that has also dropped significantly. And when it comes to jobs and, you know, making people work who are British, like I work with regards to helping people who are neurodiverse, whether they are ex-criminals or coming from DWP. And a lot of them are young. They do want to work, but they do have issues. And they do have problems when it comes to the fact that, you know,

opportunities are not there because they're not skilled and they don't have certain things. And if they are skilled, again, they've got other mental health issues. So it's a very nuanced and different. factors, you're just saying things again, very binary. And you can throw many labels at me. I have so much. You just only getting started. I'm so used to it. I don't really care what people say. What labels do you mean? So at the same time, you know, not Muslim, you know, this and the other, not really part of, you know, Islam or the Green Party or anything. At the end of the day, you need to understand that we live today with regards to the British law. What you're asking for is going

against the economy, British law, the civic rights, as well as the values. Can you identify how my proposed migration policy applied? I think it's actually, I think what you said initially wasn't completely extreme, but what you propose generally online and where you go and sit and how you just like, oh, don't worry, we're not going to like keep your kids away. We're going to deport the kids as well. That's just like, you know, saying things. Hold on. You were referring to a clip of me saying, but hold on, when I was asked, Would you deport children of illegal migrants with their families? I said yes, because that's probably the best thing to do.

Because first of all, your parents are responsible for the care of their children. And second of all, I don't want people who probably don't even speak English in a care system that's already broken. That again, again, it's an assumption. Those people, they don't not speak English. They speak more than one language. And they probably speak it better than you, by the way. And they have education, which is much higher. I'm sorry.

Of course they do. Go look at universities and see who's actually. Look at the statistics for GCSC and who's the demographic that's actually there out there. So you're just going to accuse white working fast people are being stupid. No, no, but that's the, is that the underline tone we're going to go with? That is the statistics right now, that they are really outperforming the majority of the majority of team. No, it's not. It is. No, it is not.

How is it is? Because it's the trampling of the culture of the native. Absolutely not. Everyone is assessed in the same way. Everyone takes the same exams. Everyone in school has the same opportunities. That is absolutely incorrect. The state of white Britons for Hima should have any type of advantages for the fact that this is their country, their indigenous to this country?

Look, I think Britain is not one of those countries like Saudi Arabia. No, they're not a country like Saudi Arabia, which is probably what you want with Christian supremacy and, you know, remigration and all of that, right? You want an authoritarian state. You want something like Saudi Arabia, but obviously we're not doing labels. So at the same time, no, I'm just going to marry you sometimes. Okay, fantastic. time, you know, when it comes to it, I'm just saying, look, in order to understand you, that's what you're asking for.

No, okay, so can I clearly clarify? I'm just throw anti-geto, like, for example, anti-geto laws in Denmark and Singapore, right? No, but those areas that have those people. That say that an area of their country shouldn't be some metropolitan ghetto, which has high levels of a migrant population, which outnumber the native British population, because more inevitably happens, right? You need to understand the factors. Millions of poor migrants who barely speak English who have apathetical coaches to us.

What do you happen? Those are the poverty-stricken areas which even happen amongst white English natives, okay, where they are in areas where they don't have the high level of education skill. And what happens in those areas, by the way? Because you talk about Northern Ireland, right? Yes. Okay. That particular community that rioted came from an extremely impoverished area of Northern Ireland,

during deindustrialization, which on average has lower educational outcomes. So the far right are lower educated. I get that. Hold on. Because they're not far right. I don't think people in Northern Ireland. If they are screaming. But there are studies to show that.

You're going to interrupt the main cross with my point. Right. So Northern Ireland has the second highest contractation of Tachmos. They are deeply poor people with low career aspirations and low educational outcomes. What do you think happen? Well, that is for every society, unfortunately. It happens where, you know, when governments are actually pushing. Maybe stop it. Maybe stop it.

But it's the government. It's not everyday people. The governments are doing that. But for him, I get that. And they're the ones that are even... But for Hima, you talk about everyday people. I'm getting pretty disgusted with you constantly describing everyday normal patriots as far right. I'm not discussing that.

I never said that. You did. You're the one that are saying things. No levels, by the way. You're the one that said, oh, you know, majority of the way. You've seen this far right label and what do you mean by it? Well, I'm talking about the ones that are protesting saying you don't belong, get out of here. I mean, even in my comment section, that happens all the time.

So for me, that is extremism. So again, if I as a left go out there and say that, you know, at the same time that we shouldn't fly the flag and we shouldn't do this, which I don't believe in, I have the flag proudly on my profile. People say, I don't belong and I shouldn't fly the flag. So you can't get it right either way. And I don't think everyday people are like that. Whether I, my stepdad is white English. I have family members who are English white. At the same time, you know, we live together in my family,

which is completely different to the majority and the norm of Muslims. So yeah, maybe I am unique in many ways. And for that reason, you know, most people don't see, you know, majority of Muslims in that way. Majority of Muslims are Pakistani. I'm not from that background either or that culture. I was born and raised. That's wrong to say.

You're wearing the costume. You're wearing the outfit. That's not right to say. It's like me telling, Dan, You're not Catholic. You're not Catholic because you're gay. Come on, that doesn't work. And that is completely wrong for you to say that I am not Muslim.

I will not call you. Because the difference has been like someone struggling with homosexuality and being a Catholic. No, but you see people very black and white. I don't see that. When it comes to claim, when it comes to truth claims yesterday. You cannot say that. Someone's either a cat or not. Someone died of human.

Because Muslims are not like you haven't spoken to enough Muslims to understand. I spoke to Muslims since I was 15 debating with them. You go to maybe speaker's corner. I would not go. there and speak to people in that way. I live in a demographically replaced area. I've been brought up on Muslims in the entire life. It is just the way it is okay and at the same time there are all times but you are you deliberately I don't agree with anyone attacking you. I live in an area in which the white British persons are minority I've spoken to both liberal Muslims

because they're not giving birth okay they're not having babies as well there's different factors that are involved not just people that are coming here I agree and living people should have but Amy how do you feel about how do you feel about this though Amy Western culture and civilization. Because surely, Amy, even being on the liberal side of things, when you hear someone like Bob, who's 18, saying that he lives in a demographically replaced area, that is shocking, isn't it?

If we were talking about a different country, you would be horrified. Well, I see. You're white, like, are you not worried about the extinction of white people in this country? I see the UK as a whole. Obviously, we're like an average. So it doesn't matter if a certain area is more this or more that. I think ultimately we are...

Well, it's the whole capital city, for example. I mean, these are not smaller. That's a poor way of looking at it. Yes, nationally, like, according to the last sentence, we're like 76%. More realistically, that was before the Boris wave. We're probably looking at 60% white British population. You don't look at nationally. Why?

Because, okay, the Lake District is going to function and operate and have a different status in terms of where it's at compared to Whitechapel. But it's always going to be that way. Hold on, I can go to the Lake District and say, Muhammad's a perver, and nothing would happen to me. If you go to Whitechap, I'll probably be killed. Why would you do that anyway?

And why would you go to that and cases? Because it's true. No, but it's not nice. I mean, I wouldn't go to Kent and scream and say, no, I don't believe in any sort of that. But, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go into an extreme sort of like, you know, right sort of area.

start screaming. That's provocative. And that's not right. That's ethical to their worldviews. It's like a free marketplace of ideas. I get it. But you know, you go deliberately and you do say things. Well, he's a provocateur. That is what he does. But for him, you're the one that do things for the clicks.

I don't. You do things for the clicks. But for him, a lot of our audience believe the things that you say are highly provocative, far more provocative than what young Bob says. Not because they're listening to my words, it's because they're just seeing me as a female, Muslim, brown women. That's what it is. Because half the time, when you look at that, okay, you don't have to see me as Muslim.

That's fine. I'm not here for you or any other person. There are some Muslims that don't consider me that, too, only because I don't follow a certain doctrine that they do. And I don't follow an extreme. I do follow doctrine. You don't know how I live. You don't know I pray. Your religion comes from the middle of your head.

Whatever you want to say. That's just really not right. Because I am not extreme. That's the difference. But we've had that debate. Amy, are you concerned, though, with the fact that there. are areas that are being demographically replaced. I'm not concerned.

Like I said before. Good. We've clarified that. I just needed to make it clear. They're not being replaced. That's just how, you know, life works. It's like what you're saying together. You can have no replacement.

You can have, you don't necessarily have to have a problem with replacement, but it is to claim that the white British population are being replaced, both from declining birth rates and also mass migration, right? I don't think it's mass migration. Like you said, I think certain areas. What do you think it is? What do you think it is, Fahima? But don't click together.

That's the problem. So that's how it works. When you have an enclave. That's how it works. But it's normal. It's socially normal. If I'm from Pakistan and I go to Whitechapal. Exactly.

Okay. Can I just say, can I just say, excuse me, I'm going to turn you this way. You know, I'm from New York. There's little Italy. There's Chinatown. People like to be with those. Americanism is the thing is you can't compare. It's similar.

It's similar. You can't compare. Because America says anyone can come in. And you are American. There's always places where people feel comfortable. You know, the reason why it doesn't work is because America is a form a colony, which necessitates, right, that you have Europeans, African Americans, Native Americans, all these people coming together and uniting them.

But I think, to be honest, England is a people, right? We have a history of people who have settled this land. Who invited loads of other people across the globe as well to come here. We didn't. Well, you did. No, you did. No, but you did. And it helped build the country.

And it helped with the economy. But the windrush, the Caribbean, the Jamaicans, the blacks, the Asians. That's all of it. Because, because the government went against the people. Most people would not even exist because of the ancestors that came here to help. I'm not just agreeing that that invitation was made. That invitation was made by government. And unfortunately, that's why we get into this area of civil war.

because I think Amy has actually just made the point, which in some ways proves the argument. People want to be around their own. That is the problem. And because we've invited so many different cultures and assimilation is now impossible. They want to be around their own to a certain degree. That's right. That's the difference. But we can't have your care of Canadian too.

Yeah, you can. No, you can't. You're sitting with me right here right now. You can't be a Muslim pro chance. You can't have in-group preference and not have in-group preference. I think you can and we are and we do exist. So accept it. You just don't know how to see nuance.

Try a square. That's why. Stand by. That's because he's young. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to be this ideological for the rest of my life. No, you won't. I promise you.

Things change. You'll probably end up being Muslim in the end or marrying one. Masha. I'm getting married next summer to a very lovely Christian woman. Yeah, well, to be fair, marriages end and fail very, very quickly when they start that age. That's nice of you. But that's the truth. Did you hope I get divorced and become Muslim?

No, absolutely not. It's just the statistics. It's the end of the day. Can you go long and healthy marriage for me? 100%. But is it. But you'll have more than one. But for Hima, see, actually, I think back to my parents, my grandparents' generation,

they all actually got married very young and we didn't have the huge issues with divorce. So actually... Bring me on a relationship coach sort of thing, because I am satisfied relationship. I wouldn't want you as my client. There's both ways. Trust me. No, absolutely. No, I choose my choice.

I wish young Bob a long and happy and successful marriage. I wish everyone. I wish everyone that. And I don't care if you think, whatever you think of me. I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but you need to understand when you're young and you need to be grown in time to have experience. You might have experience, but at the same time, you need to be in different. And that's why people are having children because they delay too much. Oh, we need experience.

No, what grounds you is marriage? What grounds you is having children? I agree. And I had them when I was in my 20s. That's why they grow up with me and people think they're like, we like siblings. We'll come back. We'll come back because you look so good. We'll come back in 20 years' time and see if young Bob's married to a Muslim then.

Mashallah. The disunited kingdoms abortion laws are among the most liberal in Europe. However, a growing amount of British citizens think that termination of pregnancy should now be banned all together. One of those is young Bob. He is the 18-year-old street activist who in today's clash take. down is going head to head with the businesswoman and entrepreneur Amy Anzal and the star of the Green Party for Hima Muhammad. So young Bob, you have 60 seconds to put forward your case on why you think abortion in the UK must be banned. Of course. So I'm going to quickly go into what I think

practically in terms of policy. But first of all, I want to go to my epistemic justification. So if we live in a society where all human beings deserve the same level of protection, to living members of the human species, then I would say that if a fetus is a living human being, therefore it deserves the same protections, which includes the protection to not be murdered, right? We usually prosecute murderers and say that's wrong. We don't allow it on the NHS,

but there's an exception for whatever reason when it comes to abortion. Now, in terms of practical policy, I always get flat because I'm essentially the only mainstream right-winger who's a pro-ambolitionist of abortion. However, I would say we need a stagnated ban when it comes to the period of time. So, for example, a recent proposed policy only has 1% support when polled amongst the general public. So I believe that we should move towards a 12-week ban,

and then the situations in which abortion can be banned, and a complete ban of abortion. The point is that we have to collectively understand that abortion is immoral, and we have to move towards minimizing the cases of abortion. Okay, your minutes up. Amy Anzel, take him down. You're shaking your head. So offensive.

Oh, my God. There's, again, I think the theme here today is nuanced. You just don't get nuance because you haven't lived yet. I think nuance is like this intellectually sloppy time. No, it's not. Again, you go back to intellectually sloppy. Not at all. Maybe study more, you'll understand.

When you've lived life and you've lived experience versus academics and just specifically ideas, then you'll understand why things happen. So if I find an older guy who, like, believes him what I believe and you would speak to him? I don't think you would. I think after life experience. There are loads of people in the pro-life movement. Anyway, let's go back to abortion. I mean, I think that a woman has complete control over her body and what she wants to do with it.

Agreed. Right? So if there's elements of, well, you're talking about a fetus having more rights than the woman whose body is in. You both need protections under the law. Okay. And we don't supersede one person's rights over another. So say that fetus becomes a baby in a few months' time who's going to kill. the mother because of some medical issue that's arising.

What do you think about that? Should the woman die and the fetus live? I mean, you're talking about whose life is more important in a way. So first of all, there's several assumed premises within your argument. The first being that I want to give more rights to the fetus. That's not true. We give equal protection. Okay.

I'm coming from a point of equality. Hold on. I'm coming from a point of equality. I believe everyone deserves the same level of human protections. You didn't earlier, but never mind. I did because I believe everyone has the same essential human rights. Now, the second point being, okay, what happens if the baby imposes itself and causes a threat to the mother's life? Well, in the same way you can't murder someone, which is the unjust taking of someone's life, you can do it in an act of self-defense.

Now, I would add a caveat that being that due to increased technologies in spherical care, and I could, my brain, sorry, is doing me a disservice. However, there are doctors, especially in America, but I've gone on record to say abortions are no longer actually medically necessary. So if you look, especially in America where this discussion is more normalized, we have doctors and academics actually going on record saying due to the increased technology in spherical care, it's no longer necessary. But I would say if it actually is the only option, I would allow for abortion because it's to justify. Because it is to justify taking of someone's life. So you contradict yourself, really. No, I don't because I use the principle of murder. It's an unjust taking.

So I think the only exception, which is never decreasing one, is the threat to the mother's life. What about in, what about, exactly? Yeah, the mode of, so unfortunately, and it's going to make me sound evil, but, okay, the mode of conception does not change the value of a human being. Now, again, there are studies up in America that do suggest, and as people on the right say, the trauma of a rape is not resolved through the trauma of abortion. There's an additional trauma to abortion because women aren't lifeless creatures who actually understand that as living human being inside of them and is also a unique human life and also their child. So I do not think for the best decision for the mother is to, in fact, have an abortion. But again, it goes to the point of saying that we give the same level of human protection. So if the mother had, can I just say one thing?

If the mother had to carry that baby that was from a rape to full term, and for the rest of her life, she is mentally impacted in a negative way and physically. You know, this was something that she did not want and it was brought on to her in a horrible circumstance. you think that that's okay to let that happen? I don't think that that is, I do not think that justifies to take them. Well, that's your opinion. That's your opinion.

You're discounting people's trauma and mental health. Do you think outside of the world we should be able to kill children who are products of rape? Listen, listen. I think it's a case by case study. I personally do think that abortion. Does the Green Party think that? I am not just fully for the Green Party.

Even as a Muslim, we do not agree with abortion. But even within that, within, with that, most major schools are allowed for 70. I'm not going to say, there is exactly exceptions, and they continue to understand that there are differences. So I think it's a case-by-case study. And that's why I think you are very young, and I think you are very intelligent, and it's book knowledge. The experience only comes when you speak to different people, not your own experience. I literally have a table stand for general public.

I think abortions are on. I don't have. I'm still learning, even at my age, okay? And I will never say that I know it all. You should have opinions, though, right? So at the same time, I'm not saying you shouldn't have opinions either. I think you have amazing opinions. Whether I agree with them or not is a different story.

Can I just ask? But what I do think that you need to talk to women who maybe with the same circumstance, one might choose to keep their rape, you know, sort of child. And the other one wouldn't. And both have a right. It's the choice. If your future wife was sadly raped. I've asked her this question.

What would you want her to do? Yeah, I've asked my fiancee this question. And she said, I would carry it because I believe that it is a unique human life. But that's her choice. Another woman might be different. When you speak to experience, experience is arbitrary in a sense that... No, it's not. She's my age.

No, but it's not arbitrary. It is arbitrary. No, it's not. Because I can find someone who's older, who's a woman who agrees with me. The pro-life movement is mostly made up of Catholic women. It shouldn't be one decision only. It should be a case-by-case scenario. But there are incredible examples.

I mean, Sammy Woodhouse, I'd say, is probably the most obvious one. She was, she conceived her son as a result of rape by a Pakistani Muslim, rape gang leader who was in prison for 35 years. I mean, this is all on the record when Sammy was just 14 years old and she has a very loving relationship with her son. That's exactly what I said. With the same scenario with two different women, one might carry that like Sammy. How would she know at 14? Can I also say so, so the issue is, and again, intellectual sloppiness is because people overly focus on rape. The one reason why I think is wrong is because it doesn't actually justify your worldview. So if you are only pushing for the exception of rape and threats to the mother's life,

fair enough. I don't think legally you could actually carry out that exception because prosecutions of rape, I think, are less than 3% of cases, which means that if the exception for rape is in cases in which someone is actually prosecuting in charge for the crime, you would have, women wouldn't have actually access to abortion. And if it was just to self-identified, say, yes, I was rape. Every single woman in the face of the plan. But you don't change society that way. So the problem is the exception wouldn't work legally. And it was, and it was just a self-identify, also, if all those focusing on less than 1% of abortions, it means that you're also looking at over the 300,000's abortions that happen a year, right?

I know, it's overwhelming. That's for normative reasons. They've been polling to suggest most of the reasons is because of the cost of living crisis. Now, I do think we should subsidise childcare. I think it's a pretty fair economic policy. But I do not think just because you are poor, but justifies your death. I get that. And I agree to an extent, but it's not your choice or the government's choice to make.

I think that at the same time, we need to maybe look at it differently and flip it, maybe give more education, maybe give more support, maybe understand that why is this happening? Why, you know, we've got a developed country, a world where there's not lacking contraception. You can walk and chew gum at the same time, right? You can fix policies which naturally minimizes people wanting to have abortions, whilst also making a statement of a moral truth claim. But I want to mention the massive elephant in the room, which is why did abortion clinics actually start? Now, abortion should be a left-wing issue because the founder of plant parenthood was a eugenicist. She didn't like black people.

She wanted to eradicate black people through the cases of abortion. So if the people beside me are left-wing progressives, like I said, that this is a genocidal left-in-monorities. You can't just put everyone in one box like you do for everything. But there's a fundamental view here, isn't it?

There's a fundamental view here for him, though, which is whether you view the killing of a baby in the womb as murder. Because if you do view it as that, then your argument crashes because all of a sudden you can't start saying it's a choice about whether you murder someone. I think that question alone it's different. But you can't ask the question. No, no, I think.

Why can't we ask the question? Okay, you can ask it, but I don't think it's a fair question. Because again, people look at, you know, the different stages of pregnancy, which is allowed, whether it scientifically or religiously. People look at the situation that if this was even taken away, it doesn't take away the scenario and the case. It will go into something which is underground and there'll be more risk to women. who are going to do that. At the same time, you will see that women, unfortunately,

I think the people that do this, again, because it's so widely available, and we need to give more education, we need to see what's going on. What are the problems for not having children and actually having them, you know, in that sort of scenario where they just think it's okay, like having the morning after pill, for example,

or a real abortion, whichever stages they're at. We've got laws around all of that. I don't think it's a yes or no answer. I don't think it's that question that's right or wrong. I just think that that question is just very, again, limited. Looking at it is just, you know, binary. That's all the right I think that you are talking about.

But that is binary, binary, binary. It's just, you know, one and zeros. But young Bob, we have a society now where you see degenerate women like Lily Allen literally go on a BBC podcast, you know, a podcast that we pay for with her fellow degenerate friend. I kind of remember her name like a McKita Oliver, XT4 presenter. And they're literally sitting there on taxpayer-funded money, boasting about how many abortions

each one woman has had. I think Lily Allen had boasted that she had over seven. And it's like... No, but that's not it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is not an extreme case to everything. Yes, you do. It's not, it's not an extreme case.

That is two famous mainstream left wing women on a BBC podcast, just naturally joking about... And I'm sorry, that makes me sick. I don't think everyone does that. I don't think everyone does that. I'm not saying everyone does, I'm saying it's a same. I think as a country, we should punish degeneracy. I think that's a pretty fair policy.

If you do... How would you define and how would you... How would you do the punishing? Yeah. How would you do the punishment? Who would actually define it? So what's the punishment if you don't? Yeah.

So if you have... If you have promiscuous sex, you should bear the consequence of your own actions. Well, that's half the population. Instead of conforming a society to degeneracy. Instead of conforming a society to generacy. Honestly, I think... You living in the Romeo. Honestly.

But look, Fahima, this is what's so interesting. Someone like Young Bob, and we've seen this actually on the streets where Young Bob is attacked, both physically and verbally, is attacked. I find this quite...

No, no, no, just hear me out. Is attacked for being a virgin because he doesn't believe in sex before marriage? And how scummy is it? That we now have a country where... Sorry, I have got to say this. Lily Allen actually said she joked about having four or five abortions.

Miquita Oliver C. she had about five. So that's totally accepted. No, no, no, Fima, that's accepted by the BBC. Yet young Bob is treated like the freak because he's an 18-year-old virgin. And I'm saying, shouldn't that... I was egged in the face and Camden.

But for you being a virgin. Yes, specifically for that. Because I had a woman discussing with me on abortion and I made it very clear, listen, I'm a virgin. I practice what I preach, right? I walk and chew gum, right? I talk about replacement. I have children.

I talk about abortions. Wait until you use your virginia. It might be different. Well, I'd love to have children, God willing. It's great vocation. They'll open up a different side of your chemical. Seriously. Yeah, well, that's why I control myself, right?

But this is why I mean we form a society conformed to degeneracy. And that shouldn't... Generacy should be a funn't you. You're shocked that he's a virgin. I'm not shocked. You're shocked to see a young white male who's proud to be a virgin. I'm just shocked that you would be attacked for it. I'm not shocked that you are a virgin.

I know so many people that have. actually are they just don't admit it. They don't admit it. I think people are just not having sex anyways. It's nothing to do with just you or anything else. So it is, it is true. Because I speak to a lot of people. Amy, you're shocked by it, aren't you?

You are shocked by it. No, I think it's fine. This is your choice as having an abortion. Having an abortion is another woman's choice. These are choices we make in life. And good for you. I'm very happy for you. Should we push?

And good luck on your wedding night. I think it's going to be great. Should we push? young people having absentee before they find a sexual partner that they're willing to scientifically is really healthy you shouldn't have to tell people how to live their lives whether it's we should recommend people i don't think you can recommend because we live in a hedonist society where people what anything goes and what about drinking and what about i mean people do what they you shouldn't you shouldn't smoke you shouldn't drink you shouldn't have sex outside of marriage

i think that's unfair okay would we live in a more successful society are we in an episode of bridgetin or something Would we live in a more effective society if we pushed for young people not to drink, obsessively, not to smoke? Well, obsessively, you're going to have to tell each and every person how many glasses of wine make it have. Don't get drunk. That's different for everyone. This is where we may come full circle because you and Fahima. I was going to say, this is where there is some sort of correlation between the Islamist faith and the Christian faith. I think so.

You see this interestingly. That's what we push forward. you know, no sex before marriage. No alcohol. No alcohol. No drugs. And that's why even when you talk about the grooming gangs, as far as I'm concerned, they had, you know, alcohol, drugs. They did everything against the faith and they were Muslim. You don't call their Muslims then, do you?

Because they go against it. So exactly. So then don't call their Muslim grooming gangs. Exactly. So that goes against all the rhetoric that's put out there that are Muslims that are doing here. So you know what? That is a really, really interesting point, by the way. You know, Nick Griffin actually mentions this. You are actually on my side more than you realize. No. Yes, we are one.

We are one whether you like it or not. So I was actually, so two things, first of all, on the second. This is not where I'm sick is to pay to him, no. He's getting as well as my shirt now. Look at his face. So Nick Griffin actually mentioned this in an interview. He noticed how mass migration diluted a lot of people's cultures. So instead of them living in a melting pot,

they just adopted all the worst aspects of British culture. So we can admit that we live in a degenerate culture. People do drugs. People have sex outside of marriage. People are pimps. You definitely marrying a Muslim boy. That aspect of the culture has been adopted by a lot of Muslim enclaves. In fact, you're not Christian, you're Muslim really.

Yeah, yeah, really. That's what it is. Moshalah. See, we've come to that. On that note, the crash takedown is through for another day. Those grooming gangs are not Muslim by Young Bob. There we go. Green Party star for Hima Muhammad, the social media sensation, young.

Bob, Amy Ansel, she is a top entrepreneur and businesswoman. And of course, Young Bob, where can people find your work? Yeah, so you can find my work at Young Bob on all of the social medias and to push it in September. As soon as university start at the start of Freshers Week, we're actually organizing a tour throughout different universities, talking about the controversial issues that we're actually speaking about on this panel. So if you'd be interested in that, I think information is slowly coming out. We've spoken to... With security? Yeah, with loads of security. Thank God for that. I'll be your security.

She is scary, Bob. I don't think people attack a progressive Muslim. I think they're more going to develop. So I'll be your security. No one will come near you, trust me. Your perfect, you know, match there. Thank you all so much. Okay, we're moving over to Substake now for the Royal Uncanceled After Show.

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