Danny Jones Podcast - #102 - Matt Cox is Going Hollywood | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

The FBI's most wanted con artist Matthew Cox joins the podcast to discuss John Mcafee, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump, & prison conspiracy theories. Subscribe to Matt here: https://www.youtube.com/insidetruecrime [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello world. We're back with everyone's favorite con man, Matthew B. Cox. On this episode, we talked about the current state of media and the true crime genre specifically. We talked about John McAfee, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump, you name it. We covered it. We were exceptionally fired up on this episode. Please enjoy this invigorating episode with Matthew B. Cox. Matthew B. Cox in the flesh back with his new book. With the fancy new book cover. I just got a new book. Matthew B. Cox is here with... I like that one. Let me see it. It's better.

Everybody says it's better. This is a sample. I just got that like yesterday. Matthew B. Cox is here with new books, new paintings. And did you get some work undone on the hairline? No, not recently. I don't need to, bro. It's permanent.

So it doesn't fade. I need a haircut. No. It's not like Botox. You got to get a touch-up every now and again. The hair line is just do it once. There's no maintenance required. It's definitely graying.

It's graying. That's all right. You can be just for men, right? I'm not doing that. Everybody says that. That's what I meant. Oh, the color? Yeah, but oh, dude, I'm mad.

Go silver. I'm not doing that. I'm not, I am going. The silver fox. Silver fox. Instead of the silver cocks, the silver fox or the silver cox. Yeah.

I don't understand why. It's like this moment. It's like this. Why do you just drive an hour? What are you talking about? You know exactly why you've driven out, driven hour. This is your favorite podcast. Let's see what's doing.

It's where it started. I'll tighten this up. Thank you for the espresso. Bro, I love your new podcast. You're actually, you got a new format on your show. You're interviewing people just like this. You got con men coming on there and talking about their stories. You're interviewing them and it's great.

I think it fits you perfectly. Yeah, it's, it's definitely fun. It's fun. I mean, just talking on camera. Yeah, it's way better. It was very weird. watching you do like the straight to camera shit like horrible like graham stephen like hey guys this is me today i'm drinking a starbucks it's hard i mean it's hard to do that like it's hard to

it's just so stupid it's so this is just a conversation just happens to be that i have to wear these things now and yeah i'm saying it's not a big like this isn't a big deal this is very yeah but when you're just talking to yourself in the camera oh it's ridiculous i'm standing in the kitchen or i'm staring at the camera and it's bad it was awkward you can tell it was very natural for you. Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough. Where are you getting your guests from? The people you already know, Tyler, Tyler gets people. And then it's also people I know. Um, uh, it's people like, uh, like guys I was locked up with, uh, my buddy Zach and then I was locked up with this guy, uh, Juan. And then a buddy of mine knew this bank robber who drove like 10 banks and an armored

card. He was like, bro, you got to, you got to interview this guy. And, um, and I, and I've got to, and I've got a bunch of other people like what happens is all these criminals no other criminals like all you have to do is go hey do you know anybody else anybody that might be man i would remember so-and-so uh i know so-and-so and next thing you know you've got five other people and that's what it's happening is i'm getting other people lined up to do podcast but it's a problem getting people to come in oh really they don't want to travel right well yeah what if somebody's in three states away i can't i'm not you know i'm not dandy i'm not a big shot you know i can't i'm not 300 bucks for a plane thing

and then 150 for a night a night at a hotel. I can't do all that. That's the struggle, bro. Do it on Skype. You know, I don't want to do Skype. You don't want to do Skype. Skype is horrible. It sucks. Oh, it's not a big deal. It's the worst. It's the worst. Some people do only Skype and it's just so fucking weird. I don't even like, I just turn it off if it's on Skype. Unless it's like a super rare interview where someone can't come here,

somebody like fucking Snowden. Sean Atwood. Oh, yes. Snowden's clearly not coming. I had to make, I had to risk it for, for concrete, yeah. Thought I could sneak in. That'd be great in the press conference, right? Oh, my God. Could you imagine? Or McAfee.

Maccalfee. Maccafe? How do you say his name? McCaffee. McCaffee? Like McDonald's coffee? I thought it was McAfee too. Yeah, it's McCaffee.

McCaffee. I'm pretty sure it's McCaffee. I'll try. Oh, I had some people correct me. These guys, the guys in the comments will tear you apart. Didn't you do a video? You did like a video? video like a deep dive explanation on McCaffey and his story, right?

I don't know about deep, but we did have a little bit of a conversation. My buddy. What did you find out about him? What did you do? What did you say? What's the scoop? I watched like four videos. And you know, I had already, when I was locked up, I read the article that was in Wired

magazine. So I already knew who he was, which is pretty cool because a lot of things happen. And people are like, oh, did you hear about so-and-so? And I'm like, man, I have no idea who that person is. You know, I don't keep up with any of that stuff. But this, I actually, as soon as they said it, I knew who he was. and then I watched a couple of videos. I mean, what did I learn?

The guy's, my buddy, Zach, he's like 100% positive. Like, oh, he was killed. He was killed. There's no way. He wasn't, he was killed. But look, unlike Epstein, you know, I know you, the Epstein, he was definitely murdered. Unlike Epstein, like this part, like the McCaffee, man, that's, that's bizarre. This guy is literally saying, look, these people are out to get me.

Right. They're coming forward. me, they've sent me messages, I'm, I'm not going to kill myself, I'm not suicidal, I'm perfectly, you know, I'm perfectly sane, I'm not depressed, I mean, he's saying all these tweets, he's sending out tweets, he's sending out messages, and then as soon as you find out, okay, he's going to be extradited in the United States within hours he's found hung in his cell. So what's your take on it? What do you think happened? Well, I mean, first of all, do you think he killed himself or do you think, what do you think?

you know, I hate to say that. I hate to say, oh, he didn't, because I don't know. You don't know. Right, no, this is all speculation. Right, right. But, I mean, I hate to be, I hate those guys that rush to judgment. And it's like, you know, it reminds me of, um. Yeah, but that's what podcasts are about.

They're about being Monday morning quarterbacks. I know, but I hate that. They're about slinging your ideas, slinging your opinion. You don't bother me. When I grew up, whatever you say is a fact, Matt. Well, it's not a fact. But look, look, you know, okay, when I grew up, you guys are probably don't, remember this. This woman

sued McDonald's because she spilled her coffee on herself and she won like $5 million or something. Whatever. Because it burned her or whatever. Right. Hello? I'm uh, I'm fucking real. I'm doing a podcast right now on concrete.

All right. Who is that? Who is that? Boziak. What's up Boziac? What's up Boziac? All right. Let me give me a call back. All right. Bye. I feel like he calls you every time we're doing a podcast. Does he? Did he last time? Yeah, I think so.

So the woman in McDonald's, just like, this is the, like, this is like the reason I feel like this. It's like, the woman in McDonald's, everybody went nuts. The media went nuts. They were like, this is ridiculous. They're giving her all this money. And they made a snap judgment. That was the, that was the sound bite was, she drove through the drive-thru, asked for coffee.

She spilled it on herself. She sued and got $5 million. Now, I don't know if it was three and a half. I'm just saying five. You know, and boom, isn't that so ridiculous? Like, how much does she get? $3,000. $3 million.

$3 million. $3 million. $3 million? Because she just suffered punitive damages for the burns. Right. So here's the thing. It was dangerously hot. It was not just hot, but dangerously hot.

Well, here's the thing. So you hear that, and that's the media, right? And you're like, oh, okay, you're like, that is ridiculous. Come on, man. You spilled the coffee. What's the problem? Right. Then you go, okay, how could a jury find that?

Well, because the jury found that because the jury got all the facts. You didn't. You don't get that off the news. You don't know what happened. What really happened is McDonald's over the last 10 years had been telling McDonald's, you're boiling your coffee and it will cause, you know, whatever, third, fourth, fifth degree burns. You know, people are complaining. It's too hot.

And McDonald's is saying, you know, we don't care. People like it hot. Is it? Right. So here's what happens. Is it hot? It's so hot that the... Is it fuck?

It's so hot that the shit, that your cups and everything actually melt. Right? So the tops are popping off. So some woman, they barely put on the top, they hand it to her, it drops in her lap. Yeah. And she has to have skin grafts to do reconstructive surgery on her vagina. Ooh. Fuck.

An 80-year-old vagina? And they'd be, yeah, which is already going to be hard, right? To deal with. What's the point? No one's looking down there anyways. Let it fucking leave the burn scars. So anyway, it's better for the settlement if you get the surgery. I just got to get the surgery. That's surgery, yeah. So now you know that McDonald's has known this is a problem. They've been told over and over again.

They've completely disregarded it. This woman gets burned. Now what do you do? You know, now does she deserve to win and a good chunk of money? Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the punitive damages is it's not necessarily, hey, this is your pain and suffering. What we're saying is... What is that sound, bro? God damn. It's my phone. What is that fucking ignorant?

What is that sound? That's like some old fucking computer tone. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I? It's a telegraph sound. Telegraph. That's what it is. Yeah.

Is that how they communicated with you in prison? So, so I'm saying now you look at it and you go, hey, if you had to have reconstructive surgery on your dick, because McDonald's knew the coffee was too hot and that it was melting the lid. They were negligent. Right.

They were negligent. Now do you think you deserve anything? Then it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Now I see. So, you know, from the media, he was found dead. I don't know, but here's what I, what really freaked me out. So I'm on the internet and everything, I'm watching all these videos about him saying,

look, if I end up dead, like they find my body, he actually tattoos the whacked. Yeah. And he's like, I was whacked. I was killed. It wasn't suicide. I'm not suicidal. I'm doing fine. I've got friends here.

I'm good. So then he ends up getting killed. And everything on the internet, the, the. where people are just being able to report it, they're saying, look, this is insane, this is crazy. But when I watched ABC News, it was so benign. It was like McAfee, what a life he lived. It was very controversial.

He was implicated in a murder in like a rubber or something. I forget where it was, Belize. He was implicated in a murder. He evaded taxes. He was found, he was indicted for tax evasion. He was looking, he was possibly going to spend the next 30 years in prison for tax evasion. He was caught in Spain and they were going to extradite him. And this is what he tweeted just before, you know, his body was found. And the tweet was like,

I have no more Bitcoin. I have no more money. Something like, you know, I love my family. I am at peace. His body was found a week later, you know, hours after. So they really painted the picture for you. And I'm thinking of myself, are you serious? Did you guys just read? like, is that the U.S. press release you just read? I mean, if you'd even looked on, if you'd even looked on, on YouTube or anything else and looked at

all this other, you're not even going to mention that he said he wasn't suicidal. He would never kill himself. You're not even going to mention that? Right. They don't, they completely went with like the party line. Right, but we all know all that corporate, corporatized media, ABC, NBC, Fox. We all know that's owned by the government. They're all in bed with

the government. They're not going to go against the government. It's not normally obvious like that. Like it's not that. Like it was so like you're literally it was insane. But everything it's, but that's the complete opposite on the internet though. Everybody on the fucking internet is saying, oh my God, it's another Epstein. The guy obviously didn't kill himself. If you get if you have a brain, you've know, you could look up his Twitter account. You can see all his tweets. See his tattoo. See all that shit. Everyone was saying that like there's no way this guy actually killed himself. Right. I don't even know how you. Here's the problem. Here's what my problem is. I don't know even know how. I even know how. you'd kill yourself in a cell like that. It's like it's, it's, but he wasn't really in a cell, was he? He was like, he was live streaming on the internet every day. He was, he was, he was tweeting and, and, and, no way, he was still a cell. He was doing podcasts.

Not from. Yeah, bro, he had access to like a podcast studio. There was a podcast he did like a month before that. I think there's video of him. He's on Twitter every fucking five minutes. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how the, like to me, I think it's very possible that he obviously had access to some kind of computer and he's tweeting or maybe a phone. I don't know. Look, Spanish prisons are not, at the level he was at, they're not, these are not harsh places.

You know what I mean? These are not harsh prisons. Right. And they always make it sound like he's going to do 30 years. You know, he's 75 years old. He's going to do 30 years in prison. Wait a music. So he's going to, he's probably going to do three or four years in prison, maybe five years in prison. No, if he goes to the U.S., and he gets extra out of the U.S., he's doing 30, easily even 30 years. For what? For tax evasion? For fucking crucif-ne-l-you-do the cross, bro.

You do a couple years, right? What? Yeah, absolutely. For that much? You'll do a few years. He just, I mean, this isn't just tax evasion. This guy said straight up, fuck you, I'm not paying tax. I understand, but here's the difference is.

Yeah, they'll say, let's say they say $20 million in tax evasion. Do you understand they're saying you didn't pay taxes on $20 million? Okay, so what do I owe you? six? Mm-hmm. Okay, well, we'll make a deal. I'll pay you the six. I'll do five years in prison.

I'm out in three because I can take the drug program. I'm probably two and a half, or probably in a halfway house. I do two and a half years. They're going to include the time that he spent while incarcerated already while he was incarcerated in Spain. So the time you get here, you're looking at a year and a half to two years and you're out and I pay the $6 million. So he's not going to do anything. Look, they said I was facing. 154 years. I was never facing 100. Yeah, if I went to trial and they stacked it. Right.

So the maximum. Is it possible? I mean, yeah. See if you can pull up any sort of like recent tax evasion case like federal tax evasion prison sentence from anybody. Because I've never been in prison and met people. Yeah. We need the internet. So, so, okay, the history of John McAfee is throughout he, he, he, throughout the 80s and 90s, right, he was he was living large at some point. At some point, I think it was in the 90s. He sold his part of McAfee antivirus to Microsoft. He got $100 million. Right.

When he should have got billions. I think years later, it was worth a ton more. Right, right. And he was a nut. His dad committed suicide. His dad was an alcoholic. He was obviously boozing, doing tons of coke. He was doing all kinds of drugs.

The guy was by no means sane. I don't think you can call him sane. Have you watched any of his interviews? No, no. He's absolutely nutty. All kinds of drugs. And a lot of people say he's a fucking egomaniac on top of it. Yeah, he's definitely narcissistic.

So if you're him and it's... And it's... And it's two thousand... Narcissists don't kill themselves. I'm never... I'm not killing myself. There's no way. I'm taking out everybody else I can think of first.

That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, it's just hardly ever happens. Sorry, but go ahead. So I'm saying the guys, he's obviously a fucking egomaniac. And he had a problem with drugs, a big problem of drugs and alcohol. And he was a little, fucking loopy, more than a little loopie, just judging by his Twitter. So if I'm John McAfee,

and I am depressed and I am considering suicide, why not just fuck with everybody? Three and a half? Three to five. That's it? Three and a half? Three to five. Okay, I thought it would be way worse. I thought they'd try to make an example out of you and try to like pin you to 20 years. I mean, if you go to trial, you know, can you get 30 years? Yeah, you can. Right. Nobody takes that to trial. Nobody's going. Look, if you're, if you're just blatantly guilty. Right. Especially when your others just saying, I'm not paying fucking taxes. You have no trial case. But he did some other scammy shit.

He pulled some Bitcoin scams. He did some Bitcoin pumping dumps where he tried to like, like pump the price of Bitcoin on social media. I don't think that's not, I think he was indicted for tax evasion, though. It was only that's only tax evasion. Like they may have superseded. Alex Jones said he was a spy. Alex Jones said that he was a spy for a bunch of other countries and doing all kinds

of crazy shit. Anyways, what I was getting to about, about his personality and his cookiness and his drug abuse and shit like that. Right. If I'm him and I do want to kill myself, why not fucking go crazy and try to fuck with the internet and just make some sort of crazy legacy

for myself and say, hmm, maybe I do want, if I do want to kill myself, maybe I'll fucking tattoo on myself whacked and make the whole world think when I go out that I got whacked by the feds. I mean, yes. Why not just try to troll people and make some sort of legacy out of it? You know what I mean?

Why try to fuck with people? because do the fed, like, how much do they give a fuck about John McAfee? I don't know. How much do they really give a fuck? A guy who committed tax evasion and did some Bitcoin pumping dumps? Maybe he's got some info. I mean, I mean, he, yeah, that was the other thing he said. He had all this, was it three terabytes or something, whatever, megabytes or whatever those things are.

He had some info. He had info on corruption and, oh, so what? First of all, that part didn't even, like, phase me. It's like, oh, come on, stop. Yeah, there's this thing. There's this thing called a... Like he's Raymond Reddington from the blacklist. Like I'm going to expose the cabal.

What's the term? There's a term for people who... It's like a... I forget what the fucking word is. But it's basically like a term for like when a suicide bomber. Like a suicide bomber comes in and if someone shoots you, you let go with the trigger and everyone gets up to kill. It's a dead man switch.

A dead man switch. Yes. A dead man switch. So that's like what he kind of had. It's a dead man switch. So if he got a bullet, if he got killed, the switch would go off and all of the info, all the shit that he would have and everyone would get released, right?

Where is it? Right, exactly. That's what they say about Epstein too. Like, why wouldn't he have a dead man switch? Because he wasn't, he didn't have anything and he killed himself. Epstein, I can say, I think he kills himself. No, Epstein? You don't think Epstein had anything?

Come on. Where is it? I think he killed himself. Epstein, I just can't imagine that you could get into a, federal. Like a lot of guys are like this. Look, so I've, like, Zach was telling, we were arguing. And it was, the argument was,

he was saying, well, why not just wait until he gets back here, right? And kill him back here, because it's easier to get to him in a Spanish prison. And then there's an investigation in a Spanish prison. And how much do they give a crap about some American that died in a Spanish prison? You get them back here. How are you going to get into the Marshall's holdover? It's difficult. These things are inside of pins and they're, it's not, it's not, it's difficult.

What is to say? John McAfee tweeted before his death that he stored computer files in a Florida condo building that later, what, scroll down a little bit? That later collapsed, what? I've heard this one. Is that real? This is, I think this is false news because. It's on politifact.

That means it's a fact. The name of this website has the word fact in it. It doesn't mean it's a fact. Yeah, it's clearly true. It's undisputable. Does it mean that? conspiracy theories escalated quickly around the death of technology entrepreneur john macafe in a barcelona prison where he was waiting extradition to the u.s on tax evasion charges spain's el paris el pia el pious newspaper reported the macfee who developed the first commercial antivirus software blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah keep going keep going oh cue on he posted a scroll up a little bit see the qan on a june 25th instagram post appeared to link mcaffee's death to june 23

with another major news event, the collapse of a condominium building near Miami the next day. What? The next day. Huh. Yeah. Did you see the thing at the top? Wait, stop, stop.

See where it says QAnon? Right? But rumors linked to the baseless Q&on conspiracy theory whose followers believe what? Democrat celebrities were involved in an underground child trafficking race. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Cover it by Q&O. on often soon.

I don't know. You know what the collapse of the building reminds me? So it's a Q&on theory that he hid the files in that building the collapse. Yeah, listen, listen. Okay, so when I was locked up in, in, uh, was I in the medium? Was I worked in the medium? Yeah, I was in the medium at Coleman. So I worked with this guy every day for a year.

Talk to him at least, you know, five minutes here, you know, like any worker. I worked in the library at one point. So I taught real estate classes. I worked in the library. And then at another point I taught GED. But for like a year or so, I worked in the library. So I see this guy all the time. He's like the head librarian.

Nice guy. We're always talking. We talk a little about this, a little bit about that, politics, what's going on? Because at that time, I would watch the news and everything. Totally normal guy. Everything was super normal. Talked about movies. Everything.

Guys, normal. One day, I happen to say, so you're still working on your case? seems like he looked at me and goes yeah yeah but uh after oklahoma city i just don't know um i don't know what i'm going to be able to do i mean i can't get the the the evidence is destroyed and i went oklahoma city and he looked at me and he goes timothy mcvay and oklahoma city you know the oklahoma city yes of course and i went what does that have to do with your case like this guy knew this guy had been locked up like 20 years so way before oklahoma city and he and he said the FBI was storing the evidence in my trial at the field office in Oklahoma City. And I said,

I thought you were prosecuted out of Orlando. And he's like, I was. But that's where they were storing the files. By the way, that's absolutely not true. That's not where your files are stored. Yeah. Okay, there is no storage in a field office in Oklahoma City. All right. They're stored at the U.S. Attorney's Office or at the FBI at the field office where you're being prosecuted out of, which he wasn't. you ever been to Oklahoma City? No. Why were they stored there? Exactly. Exactly. So he goes, they, they, he goes, they bombed the, the, uh, FBI field office and took the

building down to destroy my evidence. His evidence. His evidence. So they killed like 30 some odd kids, a bunch of FBI agents, a whole bunch of other people working in the building. They framed Timothy McVeigh all to destroy your evidence to keep you in prison because you got 30 years, you've already done 20 of it and you got five left. This guy always seemed normal for a year.

Well, how do you know? Maybe his files were stored there. How do you know they weren't? He's insane. They are not. You just said he was normal up to the point he said this one thing. Right. He had this.

Look, you could talk to Frank Amadeo and have a great conversation with him until, and just happen. You could do it for a year. And then one day you happen upon something and he starts telling you about how he's going to take over the world. Some of these guys have these little tiny little, it's this little, dark, dark room somewhere in their head. And one day you're opening up doors and you open that one door and you find out,

the guy's insane. He had that one little crazy. That's the QAnon guys. But isn't there a conspiracy? There is an FBI. I don't know anything about it, but there is a conspiracy about the Oklahoma City bombing. Right. Except for the fact that when they talked to Timothy McVeigh, he laid out exactly what he did.

He didn't say, I was hired, I was framed. He was saying, he's like, yeah, this is what I did. I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, uh, yeah, because they. because they fucking brainwashed him with MK Ultra. Okay, let's move on. They brainwashed it. It's insane. What are you doing?

They fucking brainwashed his ass using LSD. He's part of Q&On. Oh, my God. Listen, I'll, I'll, listen, half the guy is on YouTube. Look, I'm spitting facts, okay? Are, are, you can quote me, you can fact check everything I say. I told you about that. I'll tell you about the one guy that had, that told me, this is after Trump had, after

had lost. He was about to. step down. And I, this guy sent me an email saying, look, I have evidence of government corruption and this and this and this. And so these guys will say this kind of stuff. And if, if they're persistent enough and they, you know, they sound credible, this guy seemed kind of credible. Like it was like, it's worth a phone call. It's like, all right, here's my cell number. Shoot me an email. or, I'll talk to you at this time. I talked to him. He was telling me about how Trump was working was it was it working with the military i forget who he was oh and china and that they were

about to bomb no china was going to bomb some facility that was under like mount rushmore and they were going to collapse the entire um our entire economy and we were doing that and he's like trump's been working with him the whole time and he goes on and on and i'm listening to i mean he's just nuts and i'm listening to him and i went bro you you do understand that after tomorrow Trump's no longer president he's like that's what they want you to believe bro oh he's gonna when this happens

oh no he's still president he's gonna be president nah bro I'm pretty sure that he just the guy was and honestly like I didn't at now when these guys call like when they say crazy shit in the comment

section now I'm like email me bro we gotta get you on the podcast yeah yeah I need to talk to you by this crazy fucker like right right This podcast has turned me into a conspiracy theorist. Oh, I'll bet. The motherfuckers I get on here are fucking wigging my, are changing the way my brain works. But they're so convincing.

And, you know, you can manipulate facts. You can tweak it here and tweak it here to shift it one way or the other. The media does it all the time. But you get somebody who's really good, you can, man, you can really twist up some stories. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of miss Trump now that he's not in office. He was great entertainment.

He was fucking phenomenal entertainment. He was great for media, great for the internet. There was a headline every single fucking day about him. Now it's just like, I miss him. I miss him. Listen, it's sad watching Biden. It really is. Like I feel bad.

It's pathetic. God, I hope there's no major decisions that have to be made. Like this is, this is bad. It's fucking pathetic, bro. Just watching, did you watch his coronavirus speech the other day? I can't watch anybody. Everybody, I'm begging you. Get vaccinated.

And now they're saying they're going to come. to your doors and vaccinate you they're going to go door to door like the fucking consensus thing have you been vaccinated no no he ain't getting vaxed me neither we're none of us are getting baxed i'm not doing it they're not implanting those chips in me yeah holkogen told me all i need to do is say my prayers and take my vitamins so that's what i'm doing was it holcogen or joe rogan i don't know i think it was holtogen same thing good time i love your trust you think he's going to be president in 2024 listen Would that be hilarious?

I would love it. Nobody's ever done that before. I fucking, I know for him. Are you sure? I don't think anybody's ever been in a term, left for a term, and then come back for another time. No, I don't think it has either. Yeah, we have to look at that.

Somebody's smarter than us. I'm pretty sure that's true. Yeah, yeah, the Trump's good. Did you see Tucker Carlson said to... I already sold one of the Trumps? Did you really? I had three. Go get it.

Show it to us. Let me see what that fucker looks like. Well, the one that sold is sold. Well, you got... Two right there. I know. Okay. You wanted me to walk.

You wanted me to walk off with the headphones on. And snap back. Yeah, Austin will get it. Oh, no. Austin changing the battery. He can get the, get the Trump first. That's what you were playing.

And that was the plan. That's like when someone's holding a glass. Look at that beauty. Grab it. Yeah. Yeah. Hold it. You got a hold on that side of you.

What side? Basically where your head was before. There you go. There you go. Boom. Trump, 24. Are you selling this shit on your website? No. You have to email me.

Ooh. Or go to my website and get my email. Website? No, you can go to, um, no, no, go to my YouTube channel. My YouTube channel. There you go. I got to plug the YouTube channel. It's Hobby would be proud of me. Inside True Crime, Matt Cox? Yeah, it's just Matt Cox or Inside True Crime. It'll show up. So explain to me, what was your process in creating this picture? I said, explain to me your creative process. for this.

It looks like it was printed on a fucking printer. No, no. It's a screen. It's a screen print. Then I go back and I paint it. I paint over the screen print. Then I screenprint it again to get the little dots. Because I like the little dots.

What's the term for that, the little dots? Like little dots. I don't know. Isn't there an artistic term? Don't you have a fine arts degree? He's just mean. I don't know. What is it?

It was pointillism? But it's not pointillism. I'm not doing the pointillism. There you go. There you go. Pointerism. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's basically this is, it's called a modified screen print. It's where you're using, you know, it's like.

I love how you did the sides too, the side, how you painted the sides. Always paint the sides. That's fucking dope. I even threw a star in there. Ooh. Wrap the star. His mom or grandma would pay top dollar for that thing right there. Mm-hmm.

So would my dad probably would love it too. people love Trump You know what I was thinking about doing? He's fun He was fun That one's cool too I like that one It's kind of like a burgundy background

Merlo Merlo Merlo Yeah Merlo The Maryland Monroe's I've already I've already I've already

I did like five Maryland Monroe Monroe's three of them are sold already Would you do a Charles Manson I could do a Charles Manson Then you would have the Manson The Maryland and the Manson It's just so corny You're gonna

And we can send them to Marilyn Manson. You're going to make a great dad. You always tell us the dad jokes, right? They're corny dad jokes. Oh my gosh. So you're selling these things on your website or on your, you just got to email you and you sell them to?

Yeah, you just email me. How much? What do they go for? I, uh, 285 and that means, and I mail them to you for that. Oh, really? So I include shipping. They include shipping. And like a personalized note or something.

I mean, if somebody. They're already signed in Mexico, yeah, I sign them. You know, if somebody said, hey, can you sign the back or something? Whatever. I don't care. I even got special boxes that fit them perfectly. I mean, it's, it's, I got it down. And I've, the bubble gum girl one, like I've sold a bunch of those.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rob Zombie one. And then the, I've started selling the screamer, where the guy is screaming. Yeah. I love the one. What about the special one? The really special one.

Oh, my God. All right, so I do get guys, and this is, it is weird. It's really gay. I knew he's going to say You have to go gay He's always got a take in there Listen Listen

Guys ask me all the time Bro I want a portrait I'm like of who And they're like Of you And I'm like I don't know You know

I haven't done one I think you know what I'll do I'll just do a screen print I'll screen print them And then I can paint them in And do whatever And I'll throw some sharks in there And then that'll be it

I can knock those out And I'll sell them for the same thing What are you doing? Why are you laughing? Because it's just funny Like you someone said What are I supposed to say? So you say

I want a portrait and this is what you come up with. This is what I came up with and Danny hates it. Let's see it. I don't hate it. We don't care about it. I think it's fucking beautiful. I think it's fucking beautiful.

You just, you give me our time. I think it's hilarious. Hilarious. Okay. It is fucking comical. Awesome. Got it.

But it's great. I love it. I'm not hating on it. Oh, okay. It is just. Dum, do, do, dum. It's interesting. It's interesting.

So this is Matt's self-port. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my. What do you call that look you're doing right there? What's that face? That's me messing with my iPhone camera. That was it.

That's like, hey, what's up, baby? Do you not make that face in prison? All right, come on, man. What's going on? How much does that one go for? How did you take that photo? It was my iPhone. I put it on a stand and I was taking pictures.

And that was one of the – I took a bunch of pictures and I looked at that one. I said, I like that one. I sent it to a couple of people, and they were like, yeah, that's good. I mean, I'm trying to. You've sent a couple of those out? No, no, just the photo. Oh, I got you. I got you.

And that was it. How much is that one going for? That's at least $500. That's $285. No way. That one doubled. That's $4.99 free shipping all day. Oh, my God.

Anyway. I guess I should have sent it Danny first. Yeah. You sound to me a while ago. You were going to make it an NFT. Yeah. You were going to make it an NFT. FD.

Oh man. I can't get enough of that painting. I want to put that on my wall. I can see that in your house. We need to do a concrete. One of these for concrete, I could knock it out over and over. And I asked Danny about that. I said, yeah, Danny, I'll do you.

No, I don't want to be on it. You can do one for me. Just do some Ks in the background. A bunch of K's. Who are you going to put on it, if not you? Just do like a K pattern. You put you with the microphone. No, that's gay.

I don't want that. Why is everything gay? I don't know. You're probably, listen to this, there's probably a large percentage of your viewers that are gay you're probably upsetting them right now i'm going to get canceled my podcast i'm going to get shadow ban because i said the word what is shadow ban is that a real thing yeah i mean i got shadow banned last week on an episode youtube what does that mean they take your shit off search if you search for it doesn't propagate it all in search whoa yeah i have a couple

nobody sees it anywhere just saying shadow ban probably just got you shadow ran well they're okay so this doesn't do well it's not my fault yeah it sucks it happened to me uh just like a what episode what was it on i did episode a week ago What was it on? Oh, it was the guy The FBI No, it was the guy It was Tom O'Neill

He wrote a book about Charles Manson He spent 20 years Investigating the Manson murders And basically found all these holes And the official narrative Why would that be shadow by it? So the title, I went to I think I went a little too crazy

With the title. Well, I didn't have to I tweeted at YouTube And I asked, I asked YouTube I said, hey, what's the deal Why is this episode Not appearing anywhere on search? You could search for the literal

exact title of the episode And it doesn't appear on search it's impossible to find it unless you actually go to the channel you know go under videos you'll see it there and they said oh it probably got flagged in our system which means it's invisible on search and then the next morning it was back up it was visible so it's a thing they do I mean it's a real thing

it's a real thing yeah so the title of video was something like the CIA's secret program to brainwash people with or how How the CIA brainwashed Charles Manson with LSD, basically was something like that. And I guess that triggered their system. Too much. They took it off search. But that's crazy, isn't it?

It's fucking crazy that they do that. That they have something that will literally take your shit and make it invisible to people. That's not crazy to me. No? No. Why? Why wouldn't they do that? They own the fucking platform.

Do whatever they want. They have people they've got to protect. Here's the problem. Yeah. What, the CIA? Yeah, probably. You think the CIA doesn't use YouTube's information for fucking Intel and stuff? I'm sure they're somebody's...

I think they 100% can use YouTube's information, but that goes against fucking whatever amendment, the free speech amendment is. That's what I was just going to say is like a lot of people would argue, hey, well, it's a private company. They can do whatever they want. But when you become so large that you kind of become a part of like the social fabric, then you get to that point where you go, okay, well, wait a minute.

you're a monopoly now. So people don't really have an alternative that's as widely used. I mean, this is a massive, massive platform. Like nobody else is there. You can say, oh, yeah, you can use Reddit. You can use, no, you can't. Nothing's like YouTube. It's massive.

So at that point, you kind of have to start abiding by, like, the Constitution. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's like a new constitution. You're saying. You're saying what they're saying is, no, it's ours. We own it. No, no, no. You know, you have to start abiding.

by, you know, like the Constitution at that point. There comes a point when you're so large. But you're like a town square. Right. You're a monopoly. You can't, because now you can actually start swaying things. You can start censoring people. But is that real? Do you have to do that?

I mean, you do. I think you get to that point. It's kind of like a... Well, there's no law saying that. No. Well, that's what I mean. They are a monopoly. Well, I mean, yes and yes and no.

Look at, look at Microsoft, like, back in the 80s when Microsoft came out. They started saying, Microsoft started saying, hey, listen, oh, you're a small, you're a small software store that sells software. Great. Yeah, we want to sell your windows. Okay, here, here's our windows. So you can sell our windows, but we also need a percentage of everything else your store is selling. What? Yeah.

So here's the problem is that they were getting, they were doing that. Well, that becomes illegal because you become basically, you're almost. it's almost like racketeering. And their whole thing was, well, they don't have to sell our product. Yeah, but if they don't, they go under. Because it's the main product that's being sold out there everywhere. So you're basically saying, you can go under or you can give me a portion of your business. And people are doing it.

Well, they launched this massive investigation. That's back when they were talking about breaking up Microsoft. Like this thing is too big. We're going to have to break it apart. And they fought it and they obviously didn't. But then they stopped doing that also. They said, okay, we'll stop this practice and this practice and this practice. in this practice.

It's really scary. It's really scary, especially if you're on your own, you're independent, somebody who's creating your own stuff, and this is how you pay your bills. This is how you make a living off of making these videos and posting shit on YouTube. Right. Because you have to literally,

you're constantly worried about these boundaries that you have to stay within. Like, there's guys, there's YouTube channels where the guys specifically talk about guns and firearms and like the Second Amendment and all this stuff. One day, boom, they could just take it away. Well, these guys have tons of followers, tons of subscribers,

but they're demonetized. So YouTube can choose the type of content to make, they'll make it unprofitable. Like they can literally choose to make certain topics unprofitable for people to talk about, which takes away their incentive to talk about these sort of things on their platform,

which is crazy, which influences the culture of everything. Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. I mean, look, that's the Spider-Man quote with great power. It comes great responsibility. Do you remember that, Oh, yeah.

Okay. So I think that's true. You know, I think that's true. Mm-hmm. You know. I mean, imagine being fucking Trump,

bro. Fucking kicked off Twitter, kicked off YouTube, Facebook, everything. Yeah. What else are we talking about? Wait.

Oh, wait. Oh, I was going to say. No, it's, it's fucking, I mean,

it's, we're not going to solve it. It's fucking incredibly, it's incredibly scary, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

You have to stay very kind of vanilla. And you can't, and the other thing is, is those people, they're not going to talk to you. Like they're not going to, you think that you can just send them an email or make a phone call and say, hey, can we work on this? Can we work something out? Let's, let's, you know, I'll promise to behave from now on and follow your rules. No, they don't, you're,

you're done. They could suspend you for whatever the fuck they please if they don't like what you're talking about or if they think that it could be even by accident that you get flagged for something or like a troll flags your video for something that they don't like. Yeah, Boziac got a video taken now when, are demonetized or was it taken? down? Because in the process of it, he talked about how he got like an upper respiratory infection from wearing masks. And he went to the doctor and the doctor was like, well, how often, how many masks do you have? He's like, I don't know, one or two. He's like, do you, how often do you wash him? He's like, I don't know, barely ever. He's like, how long have you

worn that? It's like, I've worn this one for like a week. He's like, they were like, that's a problem. We're getting more and more of these infections. So during the conversation, talking about the infection, he's like, I'm sorry. sick of these masks. I'm sick of the. Boom. What happened to it? The video? I don't know if it got, it got taken down. They took, no, was it. It was a strike. Whatever. It was a strike. They took it down. A strike on his channel for saying that he's sick of the masks. Yeah, yeah, it was a strike. It wasn't like a copyright strike. Right. It was some other kind of strike. And I said, did you fight it? Did you? Because if they watched the video, it was like, no, man, I was, I don't know what to do. Like, what am I supposed to do? He's

Like it doesn't matter. It was a five-minute video. You know, he's like, oh, I don't care. It's fine. But yeah, it was just because he happened in the course of it just said this. And he was really only saying that he was just, you know, he's tired of it. He's just frustrated. He's not saying, he's not telling people not to do it.

Right. But they struck it immediately. Yeah, it's crazy. They do that to a lot of people. They do it to legitimate doctors that go on YouTube and talk about their studies on the coronavirus or they talk about their patients who have had COVID and what they think the sign or what their opinion is. what their research says about the science or whatever.

And if it goes against like an official, the official narrative, YouTube, it's done. So there's no, there's no area for conversation about it. There's no area, there's no room for nuance in anything.

As long as, if it's against the official narrative, YouTube will strike you and demonetize you and ruin your ability to profit off of whatever you're talking about. Or even ban you from YouTube. A little correction. It's just a little correction. Mm-hmm.

like having a shock collar on. Yeah, that's crazy. This is a little. Don't go out of the yard. Exactly. Don't go out of the... You want to get zapped up? Jess said to say hi.

She said... Say hi to Danny and Hatrack is what she said. Hey, Jess, what's up? I can't show you because she's hitting me kind of a... Let's see it. A naughty picture. Yeah. Hey, Danny.

Hey, Hat Rack. So... All right. So Jess is back? Oh yeah, yeah, she's back for, yeah, for now. We know, who knows, who knows how long. That chick, drains me. What do you say?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but that was. They're back and forth. Listen, I saw her the two weeks after, or two or three weeks after we broke up, I saw her more than I did for the three months prior to that. When you're together? And listen, furious when she, when something happened and I was like, yeah, well, you know, and she says, look, I understand you're going to be dating, but, and I'm,

I was like, well, I mean, I've already been on, I've already been on a couple dates. And she was like, a couple dates. She goes, it's been a week. And I was like, it's been like a month. And she's like, are you, I mean, she just went nuts. And that, at that point, like, spending the night, that night, next night. Oh, yeah, she wants to make sure you're not going on no more fucking dates. What's going on?

I mean, you knew this was going to happen. I mean, you couldn't wait a little bit? I'm like, what are you doing? There's no grace period. Yeah. I mean, we break up on Monday. I'm on a couple of days. I'm on Tinder on Tuesday.

On Tuesday, I'm hoping I'm lining shit up for Thursday and Friday. Don't get, don't get crazy. That must be a lot of work having to go on Tinder and go on those dating sites to try to find bitches, trying to find pussy on there. It's a lot quicker than going to a bar. Yeah. You don't like going to bars, right? Heck no. Everybody's his height, your height.

No, I can't deal with guys five foot 10. It's ridiculous. I'm a huge disadvantage. Huge. I can't deal with that. No. No. You just go on Tinder, let them know right off the rip 5-2. Yes, exactly. Nice, 5-2. I caught that. You just immediately, you just, any of the ones that are like, oh, it's got to be, it's got to be 5'8 or taller, done, done, done. Left, left. What is your height on Tinder? What did you put your height at?

5-7 with a good pair of shoes. That's what is it really say with good shoes? I do say 5-7. Hell yeah. Oh, my God. But does it say with a good pair of shoes? No. You can't put that. I just say five-seven. But now you're just disappointing you know.

And the thing, like they're not, listen, if they're going to end up with me, they're going to be disappointed at some point. At some point, I'm telling you, I'm not six to, you know, just working with what I got. You know, so I make up for it with, you know, enthusiasm. Yeah. Your personality makes up for the height difference, Matt. You have a great personality. My boyfriend may be five, about five three, but he's got a great personality. That's so mean.

That's not mean. You're very charismatic. People love you, Matt. Oh, there, I was going to say, yeah, I'm like,

I'm negotiating with these guys for a podcast to do a podcast, a true crime podcast. You already have a true crime podcast. No, no, like one that's like heavily,

you know, produced like a one that's on, you know, like, um, wandering or, you know, those guys.

Oh, like a serial type podcast. Exactly. With music and suspense. Of course. And interviews, but you know, it's not, right, right, right. Who are you negotiating with? Big Tech.

No, no. It's a little bit everywhere productions. They're out of L.A. And I've been talking to the guys and they're super cool. There's this guy, Dan. So did you sign a shopping agreement? No, we haven't done any. We've just been going back and forth with their lawyers right now. You know how many motherfuckers I've talked to in the past month who are,

who talk, tell me about shopping. shopping agreements they're in. Oh yeah, I got a shopping agreement. Like, I got a shopping agreement. Yeah, I'm going to quit my job next week. I got a shopping agreement. I'm going to be on Netflix, baby. Don't quit your job, but. My literary agent called me. I sent me an email. Then we talked on the phone. Was it yesterday? I think it was yesterday. And he was like, look, I've got these guys. They produce this. They produce that. They want to, they want to option the rights to your story. And I was like, wait, my personal story? They're like, yeah, your personal story. They're this. they've got a Netflix thing, a Netflix, and I'm like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

And I could tell he was like, I didn't, could tell I wasn't, you know, all excited about it because, because I've been through it over and over. It's like, you know, I've, I talked to maybe three or four of these people a month, and it's always the same thing. We're ready to go. We have a production company. We've got to deal with these people and these people. We're going to, these people are in with this.

We have a first look deal with so. We've got a first look deal with this so-and-so. We've produced this. You can look at my IBM or IMB or whatever the hell that thing is. IMDB. IMDB. And you're right, it does look pretty good. By the way, anybody can put one of those up.

But, yeah, it looks good. They tell how they're connected with all these different things. And it's huge and it's massive and we're ready to go. I wouldn't be shocked if we weren't in production within 90 days. We've got a meeting scheduled next week. We're ready to go. We just need to go ahead and sign the option. and we'll go ahead and get going.

And yeah, I notice your option says 18 months with an extra six months automatic extension if you need it. Right, right. Well, yeah, that's standard. Actually, it's really not standard. And, well, I mean, obviously we need that. Why do you need that? You have a meeting next week. You would be shocked if we weren't in production in 90 days.

Why am I signing an 18-month agreement? Well, that's just the standard. It's not standard. Stop saying it's standard. There's no standard. That's not standard. But they are. It's always 18 months with an extra three months

or 18 months with an extra nine months. 18's with six. It's always they're trying to get 18 months. But what they really do is this. You sign one, you sign one, you sign one, you sign. You've got a true crime story about fraud. You've got one about murder. This guy's had some crappy novel that came out,

but it's an interesting kind of story. So we've got an option agreement with him for 18 months. And they put them all on the shelf. And then when they get the Netflix meeting, they go in and they pitch, I got this, this, this, this. Right. Well, they can say, we're pitching shark in the housing pool, and they're like, man, that's amazing.

What else do you have? Well, we also have this. So you're one of a bunch of people that they've got, but they're not really pushing just you. They make it sound like it's a movie about you. Are you talking about it? They're already talking to cast members. They're not sure who's going to play you. Is it going to be so-and-so or so-and-so?

Our whole team is ready to go, but I need 18 months. You know, we're talking about a 40-n-0. million dollar movie here really yeah but you can't give me 20 grand for my option yeah they sell you they like to sell you this pipe dream like that you're gonna get some crazy deal and you're something special but in reality it's not it's really like just like the biggest scam brokers they're all just brokers they're hoping to get you locked in so they can sell it you notice it's like flipping contracts for for real estate exactly what it is sign them up for 90 days and then run around and try and sell the property so you can make the difference and that's all they're doing but it's like you know look you

I don't con me. It's just not how this works, okay? You don't screw me over it. Screw you over that. That's how this works. Like, what are you doing? What are you thinking? That's not going to happen.

And so it's so funny because I have signed a few options. But they've always been like 60 days or sorry, like 90 days or six months. Yeah, you can negotiate. Right. And then they're always cutouts. So I do this cut out and that cut out. By the time it's all the way down, it's like, look, you've got, like you have six months to get me a deal to be the host of a show that talks about true crime.

Anything else is off the table. And they're just like, well, what if, well, wait a minute, if you come in there's some, some slight alteration, obviously we'll, we'll discuss it at that time. I mean, I'm not stupid. What if we get to the end of the six months? So you're telling me, you're negotiating a multi-million deal. And at the end of the six months, I go, oh, your head. Come on, man. I'm not going to do that. I mean, obviously you're in there. No, negotiations. What am I going to say? Stop talking to him. Talk to me now. Come on. It's unprofessional. Obviously, I'm going to give you an extension. You know, you have to trust me. Those motherfuckers are greedy, bro. They want to lock you up. Absolutely. And this is the thing, too.

They keep saying, well, you're going to have to trust me. No, no. You're going to have to trust me. Like, if you want me to trust you to represent me, you're going to have to trust that I'll give you the extension. And you're going to have to trust that, you know, in 18 months is too much. Like, stop. You know, most people get so excited. They just signed. and then three months later they're calling and the guy's not responding to their calls maybe 16 months later they call you up and go

look we pitch your story the other day and you're going who's this? Yeah you know oh remember you signed the deal yeah bro I've left like 16, 20 messages oh I've been real busy for a year you know it's just ridiculous man I mean you know there's such scumbags in Hollywood right I know that's why you're so fucking

fucking slimey and they're so fucking they're all liars and they're all Remember the first time we went? We went to, like, the first night I did concrete, and we went to Waffle House. Oh, shit. Listen, listening to him for 30 minutes hates Hollywood. Like, hates the estobbles.

I'm like, well, I'm trying to get a true crime podcast. This is what you're telling me. I'm telling you this, and he's like, fuck them, man, they're scumbags, they're this, they're that. I'm thinking. Oh, I didn't say it. I didn't say it. Well, you were going pretty bad, maybe not scumb.

bags you were you were like you were like nah man listen there you need to just do it forget them then they're gonna tell you this and tell you this you need to do it you're what and i'm sitting there well you can do it you can do it but don't wait for them don't wait for right do your shit because those motherfuckers are the ones it's so backwards those are the people that are on their fucking computers scouring podcasts for tv show ideas that they can sell right what you know flip to netflix and i should have listened to danny that first night because here's what happened i was working with someone that continually kept saying, don't do anything on your own, because that could ruin the deal that I'm working on right now. I'm working on this. I'm working on that. And he was,

what dumbass told you that? I don't want to say his name, but the point is, he knows who he is. So the point is, and we are, we're having Zoom meetings and we're having me, they're about to fly me out to L.A. And I've been out to L.A. I met with these, with production companies. And so things were happening, but it was always, don't do anything, don't do anything, don't do, just, and, you know, I'm not even sure about the podcast you going on that concrete podcast and you know you told your whole story I'm like well there's a book out why why would you like that you know so I'm like I'm trying to sell my book I have a book yeah snake oil salesman man and he's going on and on I mean he meant well but I'm saying you were right like the moment I started going yeah I'm not waiting anymore it's just stupid

Danny was telling me go just start doing it just start doing it I was like no no no no like if I just started at that point I'd be a year at least a year maybe it's a year maybe it's year and a half ahead of where I am right now instead of having like 30,000 subscribers on my channel, I'd probably have a hundred thousand subscribers. I'd probably be paying all my bills and everything. But I didn't. I kept waiting because I kept waiting for like the big Hollywood deal, the big mainstream. It's so, it's so easy. It's so simple to understand. Do you think Joe Rogan would have got a hundred million dollars from Shopify if he would have waited? Yeah, no. Right. Obviously. That's the most extreme example. That's what I said Spotify, right?

There's a Shopify. Yeah, it's a Shopify. Yeah, mine said Shopify. Whatever. No, you should mean. Tomato. So, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny, too, because whenever friends are like, I want to start a YouTube camera. I'm like, do it. Just do it.

Start doing it with your iPhone. Start this. I do the same, say the same thing. Just do it. And they're like, yeah, but I want it to be good. I'm like, don't you understand? Fuck that. This is what you didn't tell me.

Do it and do it as bad as good as you can, even though it's probably going to be pretty bad because it really doesn't matter because nobody's watching. Nobody's watching it. So don't worry about it. You got three subscribers. And those are two of them live in your house. Yeah, yeah. At least make a couple bucks while you practice.

Right, right. Just, yeah, just put them out there. Because it starts the process of getting the subscribers and getting the watch hours. So starting crappy. And then guess what? Leave them up. Because two years from now or four years from now when your channel's doing great and it's making money, you can look back on the very first videos you put out and go, oh my God.

That was terrible. Look how bad this one was. And you'll laugh about it. It's better to have it out there. Yeah, I'm so embarrassed of our first podcast. podcast. They're so fucking awful. Are they still up? I'm still dumb as hell, but I was so much dumber two years ago.

It's incredible how dumb I am. I'm going to jump in and. It's not that incredible. The moment I disagree with you. It amazes me how dumb I am. But yeah, it's so true. I want to stop you. Yeah.

Yeah, what's, so how do you mean? on your first ones. Like you've been doing these for three years, right? Almost three year. I think it's about, it'll be three years. I think this like August. Who's the first person?

Ben, Ben. He was the first. The first two or three. The first like four podcasts were all with Ben. And we started having guests with Ben. And then, is that the one that was like in your kitchen or something? No, you want to hear some crazy.

Ben's house. Ben had, he bought this fucking mansion in downtown Clearwater that used to be owned by some, fucking millionaire Scientologist. And the basement was an auditing room. So you know where they do, you know what auditing is in Scientology, right? Oh, oh, oh, audit. Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely.

I know what that is. I thought you meant audits. I thought you meant they were CPAs. No, no, no, no. Like, they had the CPS. No, it's where they hook you up to the electronic machine and then you tell all your fucking deepest secrets or whatever. So it was basically like a sound studio.

It was all sound proof and everything. It's already pretty set up. Yeah, it was already a studio. And before, before it was owned by the Scientology, It was owned by somebody that was related to Presley's, like one of the Presley's daughters. Lisa Marie Presley used to live over there. So it was her old house. So she used to have a recording studio downstairs. And then after that, it was an auditing room.

And then after that, when Ben moved in, we turned it into a podcast room. So that was the first studio. So the first episode of the concrete podcast were in a fucking Scientology auditing room. And you had a screen up, right? No. We were just in a tiny little room with a plastic table, man. You were thinking when we're in the other room and, this building. Oh, okay. Yeah, I liked that setup. Yeah. Did we ever have you in there?

No, no, no, no. But I had watched it and I was like, like I had been watching different ones and I was like, this is a good setup here. Oh, and it has a 14. Right. Like I'd watch like, you know, like Tommy, my buddy Tommy with MSCS media. Uh-huh. That's like, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Indian guy. Right. The Indian guy. Tolly's Italian. He hates it when you say that. Which is hilarious. So I say it all the time. I was like, Danny was asking about the Indian guy. guy he said wait with the indian guy he's like he gets all don't don't tell him I said that he's gonna I don't want to whack me don't tell him not to whack me

I don't want to get whacked he um he his is a total Joe Rogan ripoff like I mean he's got the Joe Rogan Mike's this is all Joe Rogan this is a Joe Rogan ripoff but he's got the I mean the angle it is identical to Joe Rogan's like it's horrible bro the big wire it's it's horrible like Oh the big Mike's the big mic's the big mic

everything everything that even got the camera and I'm like, why don't you just set it the way you like it? Well, I like the way Rogan does it. I'm like, bro, you're just, what are you doing? You're not Rogan. You're not Rogan. Like, do your own thing. It's all kind of the same, but, you know, it's, you know,

even I'm telling, like, lower the camera angles. Why are your camera angles? Yeah, but that's how Rogan had. If you look at the first, what are you doing? Yeah. Like, a lot of people. There's no more original ideas, Matt. There's no more original ideas.

It's true. It's sad, but true. I know, it's sad. It's just, it's all about how good, You are hiding your sources. And he's not very good at hiding his sources. No, no. No.

Listen, I've messed with him on when he's on camera. I've yelled that. What are you doing? He's like, I like Joe Rogan. He's not lying about it. He's like,

what? Yeah, it is pretty identical, right? Yeah, it is. So is this, though. I mean, all podcasts are fucking from Joe Rogan. He's the one who started it. That's what everyone's trying to do.

Everyone's trying to be as successful as he is. And that's why I want to do the serial for the true crime thing. Yeah. I love cereal. It's super different. I love those podcasts, too. Yeah. It's just so much work to make them.

You know what I mean? Right. That's why. It's like making a documentary. It's an audio documentary. It really is. That's why I was saying with you, like, that's how I want to do it. And I can't do it on my own.

I don't have the time, the equipment that you're like, just sit down with a mic and start doing it. And the problem with those is they're really good, but you can't put out a lot of them. So if your, if your platform is YouTube, then it's not going to be as successful. It's not going to be as successful because YouTube's all about putting out stuff every week, every day. It's 12 a season. That's what we're negotiating for 12 of them.

As long as you can do that. Are you going to do that alongside your normal podcast on YouTube? Yeah. Or are they going to say shut down YouTube? No, that's a part of the – well, we can't cover the same material, which is fine. I haven't covered any of my material. So you can't even promote it on your podcast? Like, hey, there's a new episode coming out on this, the third.

Oh, no, no. They would want me to do that. This is what it's about. No, they want me. They would want me to do that. What I can't do is I can't say – I can't talk about, let's say, the chip – the thing I'm researching right now, the chip robberies. It's called the company. It's the – these guys from the –

these Chinese triad members that start robbing computer chip manufacturers happened back in the late 80s, early 90s. So I can't cover that story on my personal podcast. I'm sorry, I can't cover it on their podcast. Like, what if we do four episodes and break it down and we do interviews and everything? And then while that happens, I turn around and go on my podcast and go and then start talking about the exact same thing. And I totally get that.

That's not perfectly understandable. Right. Even if it's just. having like telling the story over the course of two hours they're like you know because when you do it on a podcast like that you're basically creating intellectual property right which can then be packaged but you got to be able to have a conversation about it a touch on the cliff no obviously minor but i can't if it takes if it's six hours to do or it's four hours of of you know an hour each episode for four episodes i can't then sit down and tell this whole story in two hours on my podcast like if we talk about

oh yeah yeah it's about these guys and if we had a five-minute conversation or 10 minute conversation okay yeah right but so i get so i get and i get that that makes sense i mean they want me to do podcasts they're saying though we want you to do podcasts we want you to promote this and do all this and keep doing what you're doing because they're like you're becoming you're slowly becoming the kind of go-to guy for true crime and for you know being you know cons and frauds and all that stuff same thing with um have you seen did you see the home home title lock commercial yes oh i saw one of me did you see the home title lock commercial yes oh i saw one of other day on TV. Oh my God, Austin. Can you

pull that up, please? I'll kid you not. I'm standing out front of my house with the front door open. I'm smoking and I hear that the TV's running and I hear, I'm like, that sounds like fucking Matt Cox. I peeked my head in the door and it was like the last couple seconds of this fucking security commercial and I saw Matt

on there and then it clipped to some of that. I said, no, fuck. I tried to get a picture and send it to you before it came off. Yeah, it's called, it's all. I forget what I was watching. I think I was watching the basketball game or something. It was on a popular channel. Oh, it's on CNN. It's on T&T.

It's on, there's a 30 minute. I think I was watching the basketball game and it came home. There's a 30 minute infomercial in the mornings on Saturdays and Sundays that they loop for like two hours. Same thing over and over again where they do. So it's so funny because it was crazy. You know, my mom. It was the first time I ever saw it. You know the first time I saw it was with my mom.

I'm eating lunch. I'm eating lunch with my mom. Yeah, this is what I said. I mean breakfast with my mom. Look at the, do you have this on the screen? Well, wait a minute. First, they got that wrong. They must have pulled that right off.

Look at that mug. Yeah, that's a bad one. Keep going? Not great. Wait, it, well, you can put on. Conman reveals the truth about home title fraud. Whoa. God damn, that's loud.

Can we make it bigger? Is this it? This must be it. Yeah, press play. Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich. I've always believed that the real. I don't...

I don't... It's a sacred place. So funny. And it's the foundation of your retirement. That's why I want you to know the truth about home title theft. The FBI calls home title theft. One of the fastest growing white collar cyber crimes in America. I don't know why.

Me too. Look at that scoundrel. Look at that beautiful, beautiful con man. With the beautiful hairline. Look at the old picture. Glorious hairline. Ooh, ooh. Ooh.

How many properties did I falsely buy or acquire in multiple names and borrow against? I mean, this is around 150. First of all, thank you for being honest and sharing those. How did you get into taking a house at it? Actually owned a mortgage company and it's slowly developed and you just learned the, it took our skill set that it required. And were you surprised how easy it was? Oh my God, this is great.

This new Gingrich. Why is he interviewing you? They had a... They always have a big-time guy who's their main spokesperson. Okay. They had Rudy Giuliani for a couple years. Really? Yeah. They had Glenn Beck.

Listen, they don't even use, like they did like an hour long, maybe a two-hour conversation with me. Not between me and Newt Gingrich, but me and like the producers. It was brutal. I mean, I was in rear psychopath form. What do you mean? I was just over the top. Like, they're like, so do you feel, so do you feel bad for these people? No.

I don't feel bad. I don't feel anything. I mean, I was just totally, I don't know, I was in a bad mood. I don't know what happened. I was just totally like, psychopath, cold. You were just jacked on coffee. How much, coffee had you drank? At least three, Vince, there's three of these. I walked in with one of them. And I was, it was, it was just total. So you were rip roaring. Oh, it was great. It was great. And then when it was done, they were like, you know, we'll probably use a little bit of that. I said, no, I said, use it. Well, it was a little, little harsh. I said, bro, I said, use it. I said, make me sound like a complete scumbag, scoundrel, conman, psychopath.

I said, I don't care. I said, look, I'm not going for the whole, oh, I'm reformed. I feel bad. I said, no, I'm going for the Joker. I said, so jokerize me. I said, I don't care. I said, you're not going to make me feel bad. Like, oh, I'm a psychopath.

You can't make me feel bad. I don't feel bad. I said, so do it, run with it. And they were like, oh, you should have seen. Yeah, right. You should have seen the look on their face. face. They were like, and I said, do it. I said, I got no problem. I said, listen, the people that, the people that know me and like me and care about me, they already know who I am. Like, and I'm not

looking for any new friends. So if everybody else hates my guts, that's fine. Whatever. Nobody's got to hunt me down and kill me. I'm good. So my point is, you know, so I told him that they still, then they did the commercial. And so the guy called me, the producer. And I was like, bro, he's like, did you see it? I was like, man, you didn't really, he's like, I know, you know, someone was really harsh. And I was like, it's fine. I said, are you concerned that he's like, you know, we didn't want to make you look too bad because you're kind of like a spokesperson kind of. Like, you don't want, you know. We need to sell some life lock.

Yeah, we're trying. We don't want to scare people. I was like, oh, man. So anyway, look, the commercials are doing so well. They called me back. They want me to come back and do another commercial. Nice. And they're supposed to be sending me, um, right now, well,

This was actually about a week ago we talked about. I think it might have been two weeks ago. They said they were going to have a meeting. He goes, and we're trying to figure out how to use you for like the next three years on like an exclusive deal. Nice. And I'm sitting there going, they're like, so we're going to put something together. Here we go again.

Right. I'm thinking. Where do I sign? Are you serious? And they're like, I mean, if you, they wanted me to call you, make sure you're okay with them. Am I okay with it? Yeah. Yeah, I'm good.

I'm good. Let's do this. Absolutely. Run with it. Wouldn't that be hilarious? That's amazing. And I have people sending me text messages saying, bro, I was just watching Fox News. I was just watching CNN. I was just watching this. And suddenly I turned around. You were there. Yeah.

I'm like, yeah. Bro, I talk about it all the time. You are like the biggest success story of this podcast. Like you are the one person who came in here. Nobody knew who the fuck you were. And you literally taken the ball and ran with it. I mean, I, like, Forest Gung. And this is the thing with all, by the way, the guy.

You have created such success out of coming from nothing coming on this podcast. Is it really for you? This is really me. I'm not only, like, I'm not talking about the amount of attention you got just from as far as podcast views on my channel. Right. I'm talking about like what you've turned it into after that. Oh yeah. Listen, listen.

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm, okay. You're going to. So I think I was supposed to go to Chicago in a couple weeks and be on somebody's podcast. I've been like all over the place. You know, I've been to like Ohio. I've been to California. I've been to Illinois. I've been to Puerto Rico.

I've been to, like, I've been all over the place doing podcasts. And getting, doing like, like I told you about, like when I went to Puerto Rico and they gave me like $1,800 to like fly into Puerto Rico and have a lunch with these guys with a couple of people. With a couple of fucking billionaires in Puerto Rico. Right. They just wanted to hear my story. And then I leave. So you were basically just like entertainment for the night for a couple billionaires. And I was telling the guy.

I was like, so, I mean, why? And they're like, well, you know, we usually have somebody come. And I saw your stuff and I said it to the other guys and they love your stuff. And we just like you to come. Just have lunch. I'm like, I can't do that for free. Yeah. No offense, but I got to get paid.

Did you imagine they fly Matt to fucking Epstein Island just for the night. They came a million dollars? Would you do it? Yeah. Hell yeah. He fucking do it. What? So clip that.

I want the thumbnail of that to be Matt's face with Epstein Island and Epstein's big dome house in the background. So look, so I'm going to Amsterdam. Oh, yeah. They've watched the, I'm going to Amsterdam for four or five days the end of August to be in a, there's a six-part series called the psychology of Khanaman. And there's six parts, they got one guy from Asia. They've got a guy from Germany, a guy from France, a guy from the UK, guy from someplace like Japan or something. And they've got, and guess who represents the United States? States of America.

Matthew Coss. No fucking way. When I was zooming them and they were like, and I was like, so wait a second. So I go, so you got a guy here, I go, so are you saying that I'm representing the United States for like the top con man? Like that. And they were, you could see, they get scared. Like they're like, they're looking like, well, um, and they were like, I mean, I would

have to say yes. And I go, yes. Yes. I go, let's do it. And they were just like, I said, that's awesome. That's awesome. and they were like, oh, that is not the response we typically get. What I was what I'm saying?

So they're going to fly me in there. They're going to do a battery of tests. I said, so you're going to try and figure out what makes me a con man. They're like, yes, it's going to be a battery of test. There's a psychiatrist. Oh, really? That's interesting. I can't wait to see that.

Sign me up. Let's do it. And they've watched all this stuff on concrete. So it's that. Then I'm also going to like the, it's the Association of Mortgage Brokers. I'm going to that. That's in Alabama Association of Mortgage Brokers. they're flying me in to do.

I'm flying in and for one day. I'm flying in the morning. 45 minutes tell my story. 15 minutes Q&A. Jump back on the plane, fly right back out. Wow. What's the flight out?

That feels like a 13-hour flight. To Alabama? Oh, no. I thought you're talking about fucking, Amsterdam. Amsterdam. Amsterdam. Amsterdam is like 15 hours.

Yeah, it probably is pretty bad. It ain't, I, it's worth the flight. Yeah, I hope it's not like spirit or something. Hopefully it's not a fucking six-hour turnaround like that. Listen, it's not like I, it's not like I've never been in a small, uncomfortable, you know, position for 15 hours at a time or 12. Like, you put me in a small box with my hands cuffed like this and I'd be like, I can eat a sandwich doing that, go to the bathroom.

I can open up a little juice box. I can do everything with my hands like this. True crime. You can file a 995. True crime has, there's something about true crime. It's like blowing up in the last couple years. Last like two years, I want to say. No, it's like the last five or ten years.

It's really been getting big. It is fucking huge. Like, true crime has become one of the most popular genres right now. Not only for podcasts, but for shows, like Netflix. Yeah, now they're kind of getting converted into, like, the Netflix series. They're like converting, like, Dirty John, all of those, yeah. Yeah, it's fucking insane. Even my, like, my wife, all she watches is fucking shit about people getting raped and murdered.

Women love. Oh, yeah. They like the really... That's all my mom watches. It's like 70%. She's either watching the news or she's watching the ID channel. Yeah, I can't watch that. I can't watch that.

It's too fake. Some of the stuff on TV, though, is just too fake. They're true stories, though. They're true stories. But the way they fantasize them and drama-s up. Like, there's a UFO thing on History Channel about Skinwalker Ranch. And it's just the way it's produced and the way they... Skinwalker ranch?

What's skinwalker? There's a ranch in Utah that has all kind of paranormal phenomena that happened. All kind of paranormal phenomena that happens with like crazy magnets and fucking up iPhones. It's water. It's water. It's weird drinking water out of a can. I mean, I don't drink beer anyway, but even when I look at it, it should. Hold it up and smile. Do a promo for Liquid Death. They sponsor the podcast. Who is it? Liquid Death. It's a water company. What do you think about their water? It tastes good. This tastes like death. Better than the tap. No. Their slogan is murder your thirst. Murder your thirst. Look at that. They sent me a fucking giant. stack of water and sparkling water. Nice. It's good. It is good. I don't know what the sparkling water is like, but this is good. Yeah, it's great. It's great. It's a drinking water from the Alps.

Yeah. It's like drinking water. Melon water. A beer can that's been washed out really good. Anyways, the shit that's on TV shows is just, it's so overproduced and dramatized and dramatized. Dramatized. That's the word I was looking for. And it just makes me just like, whenever something's overproduced and dramatize like that, it just makes me skeptical of it. like watching American greed. Yeah. Where Matthew Connman walked into the office.

Yeah. Another single mother. Yeah. So sad. Oh, fuck. Oh, yeah, true crime. And then women, women are like, are like half of the audience.

It gets better. It gets better. I got called. Another thing, I got called from a guy who, did, ever you're seeing, oh, God, it's called, hold on. It's on A&E. It's called 60 days in? I've seen it on the scrolling through, but I've never watched it. Okay, so I've watched a couple episodes because this guy contacted me like a week or so ago.

Like I never check Instagram. People contact me on Instagram. Like I check it maybe once or twice a month and they'll be like 30. And so as I'm going through like, you know, accept and, you know, oh, cool thanks. You know, and giving them little response is this one guy who says, hey, if he hadn't put A&E in the name of the show, he would have gotten nothing. Yeah. Like if it was just like, hey bro, watch your stuff, you're awesome, you know, give me a call. But instead of he was like, I'm so-and-so from, you know, I'm Tony.

His name is Tony from A&E. He has a bunch of guys have reached out. A bunch of my fans have reached out to me and said, I need to interview you. I need to contact you. I've watched your stuff on YouTube, you know, great stuff. Really want to talk to you about being interviewed and talk to you about A&E and blah. I was like, it was like a week or so ago. I was like, oh, God.

So I responded, I talked to him the other day. He wants to interview me for some show for. or A&E, talking about possibly trying to do some kind of a cold thing. For the 60 days in show? No, for something totally different. But they're like hooked in with him now. You know, he was a big, he was basically the star of that show. Okay.

And so he's now doing kind of like a spinoff show. And so same thing. It's so there's lots of stuff that constantly happening is just trying not to get hooked into that trap where you signed up signing a bunch of stuff and then nothing happens. Get your hopes up on that. Right. But imagine if you, if you didn't have a lot of, a podcast if you didn't have any sort of other thing if you didn't have anything else going on you'd be like

oh yeah they'd want to they want to sign you up exclusively for them and you would have nothing else you know what I mean right now you have leverage when you start putting out your own shit that you own independently you have leverage against those people and they know that right what you know it's funny too because guys always tell me like I always get guys like what does dandy pay you for that what is that I'm like well nothing bro you don't pay anybody you do podcast you do all that for nothing like well yeah but you do understand so then you have to break it down you You understand what's happened. Like concrete meat, put me on, like I was already out and doing stuff, but, like, you know, I was already in a couple of magazines and I was trying to.

You were still in the halfway house when you came on the show the first time. No, no, I just got out. I wouldn't do it in the halfway house. So it's too scared. Oh, that's right. I wouldn't do it. You were not allowed to. You did it after.

And he was even like, come. Well, first of all, I couldn't. I can't disappear for a four hour. Like, there's no way to go across. Listen, you're so scared in the halfway house. Like, they're knocking people off. Yeah. They're ready to send you right back to jail.

So, you know, he's like, yeah, come over and this. And I'm like, I'll hold it. And then so I got out. And then he called me out. I've been out like a month or a few weeks or something. You were like, bro, I answered your questions. Yeah. Because I'd asked you about podcasts.

Yeah. Answered your question. Said you were going to come on. You're not in the thing. I had somebody, somebody didn't show up. Yeah, someone rescheduled last minute. I got nothing like in the can. I need to do something.

I need to come out. I was like, all right. So I came out. But, you know, I explained that. I said, look, Danny put me on a course because of the podcast, put me on a course and got me exposure that I never would have gotten, had I said, oh, well, you've got to give me 500 books. You know what I'm saying?

Or you go to, and he'd have them in like, screw you. I'll go get, I'll go just have a conversation with anybody for, you know, forget it. I'm not going to do it. Okay. So then what, where would I be? I'd be pushing, I'd be pushing books on my own. It has been said that I have had people tell me that I am the Rogan of Florida.

Oh God, who the fuck asked you up like that, right? No. It's been said. It's been said. It could be a fact. I'm just saying, it could be a fact. Matt, you didn't fuel that comment to his head, did you? No.

No. I've had a guest come on here and say it, and I've had, I've seen at least one comment that said that. So it could, it could be true. Who knows? Anyways, you've done great for yourself. You've really taken off. You really, you really. Well, I'm not making a bunch of money, but a lot of things are happening.

Like, something's got to hit. There's so much stuff up in the air right now. Like, it's so much of being thrown under the wall, something's got to stick. For sure. Yeah, but it's not about one thing sticking. It's about staying consistent. And that's what you're doing. Right.

No, no, I'm staying on it. I'm putting stuff. I'm putting up. And the interviews are great. It's a snowball effect, right? It's a snowball effect. The first podcast was the spark that lit the flame. Right.

Now it just keeps growing and growing and growing. And it's all the, it's, and I, it's, and I, it's, and I, Look, I like doing the podcast. Like, I like, look, like, Juan, I'm going to interview this chick that it's great. Juan's great too because he works. Who you talking about? Juan Sanchez. Okay, he's the ex-con that you just, uh, you just interviewed.

The guy from Venezuela, like got kidnapped in Venezuela, he was laundered $39 million. He's got a great story. But just so happens, he knows somebody, knows a chick that was a high-end madam who was bringing girls in. gonna say from like Brazil or something. I don't know that it was some South American country. I don't know which one. But she was bringing, girl, so they can come in. Like you can come in for like 90 days

to the United States. Yeah. Come hang out. Whatever on vacation. So they would come in for 90 days. So this girl's get, this woman's getting phone calls from women in let's say Brazil. She's Spanish too. And they're calling her and saying, look,

I can come to the United States for 90 days. I need to make some money. And she's setting, like supermodel hot looking. And they're coming in and they're working as high-end escorts. So she's, I don't want to say pimping them out. She is, yeah. Okay, yeah. I mean, not the best possible life.

She's a pimp. She's pimping out. So she's being a madam to these women and they're coming and they're going back there. Like a Gis Lane. Like a Gis-Laine Maxwell. On a different level. That was Epstein's girl. Oh, was it?

Oh, no, no, no. Who was procuring the young woman. Yeah, but these are adult women. These are 25 years. Oh, they're not kids. Oh, no. No, no. It's not like sex trafficking.

Well, it is sex trafficking. Yeah, kind of. Anyway, look, so this chick comes in. So these girls are coming in for 90 days, and then they're going back to like Venezuela or Colombia or Brazil with 50 grand. 50 grand is going back there. It's like going back there with like $400,000. Right.

It's a huge amount of money. You can buy a condo and still have years worth of income left. So they're going back there with, and so then those. girls go back there they tell this person this girl next thing you know next thing you know she's just running them left and right and he sent me her indictment i read her her uh stipulation of uh facts i'm like counts with 400 000 accounts with 100 000 200 000 this girl got paid 80 000 this girl got 60 000 this girl got i mean these chicks are coming in and they're just lining them off i was like this chick's probably got a pretty good story this is a pretty interesting story she did this for

years. So she's coming in. I'm going to do her on my podcast on on Wednesday. Next Wednesday. Juan's going to come back. One's going to do do concrete. Yeah. She'll be better than mine because. And you're going to be here too. Oh yeah. I mean, I'll be if you, whatever you guys decide. Yeah. He's, you'll be able to do a better podcast. Like I just sat there and thought he was just going to tell his story. Like I didn't interview him really. Does that make sense? Because I'd heard him say his story so many times, I thought he was going to just roll it on out. Yeah. But he's like, I haven't told anybody that story in, like, like.

When did he tell you that story? In prison? In prison seven or eight years ago. Right. Okay. So he went, to keep in mind, he left, he went to, he went to an ice facility. He went to, so he had a whole thing after we met. So he hasn't been telling that story.

So he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he threw out some stuff and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I kept having to go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What about this? And he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, forgot about. Yeah, so what happened? Then he'd tell that story. And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what about the story about how you got the money to pay for your attorney?

That is a good story. Yeah, that's good. Let me tell that. And it's like, it wasn't as good. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Like, I felt like it wasn't good.

Colby, my video editor, he was like, bro, that was amazing. It was a great story. He was great. I was like, but I had an anticipation of what it was in my mind. Right. Yeah, it was different. Man, you know it would be great for the prison industrial complex As if the people who own the prisons

They set up in the prison cells They set up podcasts So everyone in prison could have their own podcast Their own YouTube show And the prisons could make so much fucking money By pimping out these prisoners To have a true crime podcast That's not selling it

Imagine how much money they can have They're not selling it Fucking arrest them all Fill those prisons up Now we can have more podcasts Make more podcast money We can have deals Spotify.

Jesus. The prison... That escalated quickly. I was going to say, first of all, they're already filled up. Yeah. There are.

They're filled. You really just need to bring in a mic. So, okay, prison owners. If you want to make more money, do deals with Spotify. Fill the prison cells with microphones and set up podcasts with the prisoners. That way they can have their podcasts in prison.

And the prisons can do Spotify deals directly. And it'll be fucking hands over fist, millions. Never happened in federal system. They won't let that. Sure it will. They won't let a camera in. They won't let you come in and video an inmate in prison.

Not since, not since, uh, was it Diane Sawyer did it? Or was it Barbara Walters? Did, she did one for 60 minutes and it was called, a,

it was called, um, a club fed where they actually went into a prison, a camp and showed the facility and how nice the facility was. And people went nuts. Like, you know,

because they're, they're, they're showing, guys playing tennis. They're showing guys fishing. They're doing this. They're doing that. They're like, oh, and she's going, oh, what did you have for dinner? He's like, ah, we had this. And, you know,

he's like, oh, we had, like, he's saying all these things that sound good. And so they immediately, after that whole thing, they went in and they said, the Federal, the Bureau of Prison said, we're never letting another camera in. Because they made us look like fools. And we're taken away this and this. They started.

They literally are paving over all the stuff. They're tearing up. They just took everything away. Yeah, but who cares anymore? Who cares anymore? Everybody knows. Everybody talks about it. Everybody knows all the fucking crazy shit that goes on in prisons.

But they were portraying that it was too nice. It was club fed. They were saying it was like club med. It was too nice. Right. But who cares? But who cares? Well, it's too late.

You don't have to care now because it's not now. Right. Now it's a state. So that's practically the state society. Exactly. So let the cameras in now. Give them podcasts. And I think you should take that on.

But having dealt with. with the bureaucracy of the federal prison system, I can tell you it's never going to happen. I think it's time for the federal prison system to give into the entertainment industry. And look, as feeble as Biden is, you could probably fool him into signing something, you know? But, yeah.

True crime is profitable. It is. Who's the head of the BOP right now? We need to get him on here. No idea. That'd be great. Can you find out who the head of the Bureau of Prisons is? We need to reach out to him immediately.

and get him on here. Do you remember when I told you about the time that I came up with that, that newsletter about the Puerto Ricans, how I said Trump was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Juan and I talked about that. Oh, did you really? We laughed because Juan was one of the guys who came up to me. He's like, Matt, Matt, he's like, have you heard anything about this thing?

This thing Trump signed and they're sending the Puerto Ricans back to Puerto Rico? And I went, I said, okay, bro, I'm going to tell you something. And I told him it was me. Michael Carvigel The director of the BOP As of 2020 So he's the guy who is the new director After Epstein

Suicited himself The old BOP guy got Got canned After Epstein Damn So we need to get Michael Oh maybe we probably have a better chance To get the old director of the BOP

Can you imagine Like this guy is sitting there like Well What the f has nothing to do with it It's all about Opts It's all about optics, Matt. Fire him. Fire me.

What are you talking about? Yeah. Somebody's got a step down. I wasn't sleeping at the stand. I wasn't fixed. I didn't break the camera. Like, I was here. I don't even work there.

Five states away. I've never seen that facility. Right. He's probably never been there. There's 1,300 facilities. I've never even been there. You're fired. It's like.

Why? Because it won't, because it'll look good for us. We're trying to clear us. Everything's about optics. It's all it matters. It's all it matters is what it looks like to the public. What are you going to put there for the couch? I got a new couch coming.

The couch is gone. Why? What's the new couch? Where'd you get at garage sale? What's happening? No, no, I bought it online. I bought it on the internet. It's nice.

I don't know if you would call it nice. I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it's a very nice. It's a vintagey couch. Vintage blue velvet couch, Matt Cox. You're going to hate it. You're going to absolutely fucking hate it. I'm begging you. to rethink this.

Why? Look, this is nice. This is nice. The, um, the, you like, hey,

you like the drawings of the fishermen with the butts in the heart? See the, see the noose with the beach in the middle of it? Can you go grab that for me real quick? We gotta show that. I mean, I'm wearing the head.

That's right. What do you think? Let's, let's analyze this art piece right here. Look at this. With your, uh, what is your,

what is your, what is your arch degree opinion on, on this artwork? We got, we got a noose with a beach in the background. We got the floor. with the 666,6,6, and we got the fisherman's asshole with the heart around it. Where's the fisherman's...

Right here. Okay. I mean, what... I mean, I think it's drawn well? Yeah, okay. I'll take that. Who did that? Why?

Luke did that. Luke, okay. Yeah, I figured Luke did it. Hand drawn. Nice. Yeah. I mean, it's all disturbing. Luke's an artist.

I know. I know. I heard that. He has a degree I know he does He has an arts degree I've never seen I don't mean that mean

I've never seen anything he's done Except for this I meant to ask you this What's the difference Between a fine arts degree And a liberal arts degree? What's a liberal arts degree? I don't know

I don't know You really don't know? No I don't know Really Is that what your mom has? My mom has a master's degree In fine art Fine art

Master's degree What is your degree? It's just a BA A bachelor So you only did four years. My mom did eight years. Wow. Fucking masters.

That just means that she has less money than you. The National Association of Schools of Art and Design, Nazad, which accredits Bachelors of Fine Arts Programs and Visual Arts and Design in the United States, states that the professional degree BFA focuses on intensive work in the visual arts supported by programs of genital studies. Whereas liberal arts, genital or general. General. Liberal arts degrees focus on art and design. I don't understand.

Liberal. Is there a conservative? Is there a conservative arts degree? I went to a coffee shop today. So there's this coffee shop that's in Pinellas Park that's called conservative grounds. Right, right. You did a video on it. Was it a little documentary on it?

Yeah, a little like, a little expose on it. Yeah, I did a little fine arts piece on it. And it's basically all Trump supporters. It's heavily support back the blue, Make America Great Again, coffee shop. It's a Make America Great. It's a MAGA coffee shop. And there's a replica of the Oval Office with a statue of Melania and Trump in there.

But the desk and everything. It's fucking great. And I don't really go to coffee shops that much. If I want coffee, I get like McDonald's coffee or I make it at home. Right. And I went to a coffee shop today. Like, I actually like Googled, like, what's a good coffee shop? around here and there was a really decent

coffee shop with great Google reviews fucking five stars all the way right down the street and I went and say yeah fuck it I'm gonna go there and so I can get some you know a cafe con leche so I go over there and it's just like complete polar opposite of conservative grounds conservative grounds is the last coffee shop I'm yeah and it's just like this girl she's got like pink hair

bowl cut total lesbo and she's just like hi how are you today what can I get you if you have any questions about the menu, please just don't hesitate to ask. And I'm just like, wow, just the fucking crazy radical. I wish they were right next to each other. Radical fucking difference in the coffee

shops. It's fucking insane. It's just like, I didn't even want to be there. Like, I would rather be to some, I'd rather be at some fucking gun-sling and country coffee shop than have this fucking get circle of that. But the coffee was great. I'm not going to sleep on the coffee. Who had the better coffee?

That's the question. The liberal, the, the, the fucking the liberal coffee shop was better. Because they put some love into that coffee. They put some love into it. There was definitely some very artistic care. She had loving hands when she made the coffee. And there were some kids in the corners doing, you know, working in Photoshop, you know, doing their Photoshop work and sending some emails in the corner. And it was quiet.

And it was very nice ambiance. Yeah. But it was just, I don't know, something about it just made me kind of like sneer at it. You know what I mean? Just because it was so over the top. So just over the top. like artsy fartsy coffee shop, you know. And I haven't been to a coffee shop

in so long. The last coffee shop I've been to was the reason I was so shocked by it. You don't ever go into Starbucks? No, never. I mean, I've driven through the drive-thru. I've been to the drive-thru. I'd never go into Starbucks now.

A lot of times I'll go. Like if the line's too long, I'll pull in and just walk in. You know, I used to go in more, obviously, before the pandemic. You know, I would go in and sit down and drink coffee and whatever play you know answer emails on my phone or whatever but isn't it's it's so like it's

that's that's the normal thing though for coffee shops to be like that like that the coffee shop I went to yeah I think so it's a place to kind of hang out and yeah they why aren't why aren't there more conservative coffee shops I wonder I mean I think that do like conservatives not like coffee tech no I'm sure sure they're drinking the hell out of coffee

right he's drinking it at home and they don't have time to hang out they don't like they don't like to sit at a job job they're too busy making money They have jobs. That's why. That's what it is. They're too busy making America great again. No, that's why it is. The conservative people, they have jobs.

They're making a living. And the people that are at the liberal coffee shops that I went to today, they're living off welfare, right? Damn. I did not say that. I'm canceled. I've had too much whiskey. Oh, yeah.

That wasn't even funny. I was just trying to be funny. but anyways I thought it was funny take but the coffee was fucking great the girl was super nice she was a very sweet girl she was very you know affectionate and loving when she made my coffee I'll go back

we'll go back there for sure and I was wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt and she made it very she did not like that she made a comment about my Marilyn Manson shirt she's like oh Marilyn Manson shirt huh I know you know because he's been canceled you know that uh-uh

you know you know Marilyn Manson is he's a singer yeah yeah and he He got called out. He got called out by one of his ex-girlfriends saying that he was abusive in the relationship. He's been canceled meaning what? Do you know what cancel culture is? Oh, so now nobody's going to, nobody, they basically is like a, you know what me too is? Yeah, but it's, it's, I was going to say, it's like, what do they call it, where you, you suddenly, everybody decides they're not going to go to Target.

What do they call it when you, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, when you try to cancel, when you say that they've done something. wrong. There's another name for it that you would typically use. It's where you're against that target and you're not going to go there anymore, that kind of thing. What do they call that? It's called cancel culture. That's what you're calling it because that's the

thing they call it now, but it's like your boycotting. Thank you. Kind of, yeah. It's boycott it. Yeah, so it's like boy you're boycotted. Right. So Marilyn Mans is being boycotted right now or cancelled because one of his ex-girlfriend said that he was abusive in their sexual life. I love that any woman that says

anything you have to automatically believe anything she said. Yes, exactly. Or you're fucked if you don't. I think a couple other women piled on after her. They always pile on, right? Yeah, like Cosby. Like Cosby, exactly.

You raped 50 women over the course of 30 years. None of them ever came forward. I thought it was hundreds with Cosby. Yeah, I think it's like 50 something, like whatever. But it could be more. But I'm saying, you know, that you did this for the last 30 years, this is what you've done and none of them came forward until one woman said something,

then they all rushed in. I was at a party with him in 1979. He drugged and raped me too. Really? I mean, that, you know. So how long was Cosby in prison for? He just got out, but how long was he in for, do you know? Four or five years, right?

No, no, was it three or four years? About three or four years, right? Yeah. So do you know the actual, like, like, the story, behind his case right now. It was a civil case or a criminal case. It wasn't criminal, right? It was civil.

Well, I mean, it was locked in prison. It started civil. It started civil where basically he, this woman was suing him and he decided he was going to settle a lawsuit and they settled because she said, look, you gave me whatever it was LSD or you gave me something, you know, quailudes. It was quailudes, yeah. Quailudes and which kills me because when they say it like this, We were at a party.

He drugged me. He raped me. Yeah. So his version, of course, is we were at a party. I was taking Kualudes. I asked her if she wanted some. She took some. We ended up, you know, 30, 45 minutes later, we ended up having sex.

Right. So it's no different than we were at a party. I was taking some Xanax. The chick I was with said, hey, you got any from me? And I said, absolutely, here, have one. 45 minutes. We ended up having sex in my car. You raped or you drugged and raped her.

Like no different than I was having a couple of drinks. I said, hey, you want to drink? Sure. She had a couple drinks. We end up having sex in the parking lot. Guess what? You drugged and raped her. I mean, it's like that progression.

So he ends up, so he ends up for the purposes of the civil suit. He says, they said, did you drug and, you know, did you drug rape her? We said, yes, I gave her the quailudes. We had sex. We had this. I didn't rape her. I did this. I did drug her.

I did have sex with her. I did this. I did that. And I'll say all this provided you're never going to be able to use this. Of course, of course, of course. Then, of course, she gets a settlement. Everything goes through. Boom.

Let's put it out there. Now let's, we're going to go ahead. And we're going to go ahead. And we're going to use that against you to file criminal charges. And we're going to charge you and you're going to go to prison. And then all these other women say, you know what? Time to get paid. I was at a party with this guy 20 years ago.

He raped me too. And suddenly everybody jumps on the bandwagon. The next thing you know, this guy's apparently been raping people, you know, every few weeks for the last 30 or 40 years. And he's 80-something years old and he ends up going to prison. And then, of course, a judge finally looks at it and says, well, wait a second. You can't use this. But on top of that, he's admitting to something for the purposes of a lawsuit. For a civil lawsuit.

For a civil lawsuit. Like he's like, like, people. lawsuits are all about money. They're all about getting a settlement. Right, right. A criminal lawsuit is actually for prison time. Right, because that's what, that's, that's the way you make it right. Like, you and I get into an argument or something and you cost me money somehow. You get me fired from my job. You do whatever. You start, you slander me somehow and I get fired and I lose my house. I turn around and I sue you and then I prove that that's true that what you said was a lie and you got me, you got me fired and I ended up losing my house. I had to start over. Well, guess what?

Now you owe me money and that's how you do it because I can't come over and club you and I can't throw you in prison. Right. Because it's civil. It's not what you did was wrong, but it's not illegal. So, you know, you handle it civilly and that's what they handled it civilly. We handled this civilly because we have a difference of opinion. You're saying I drubbed and raped you. I'm saying we were at a party and we both got fucked up and we had sex. Yeah. You know, it's a difference of opinion, but I don't, obviously, I'm Bill Cosby, I don't want this to go any further. I'm an 80-year-old man. You're going to give you a couple million dollars.

That's nothing to me. But then it suddenly hits the media. Everybody jumps on board. He ends up going to prison. But a judge, a reasonable judge looks at it and says, no. He would have said I was, I flew in on a, on a UFO.

On a magic carpet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I flew in a UFO and I beamed you up and had it. I would have said anything for the purposes of the lawsuit just to get rid of it. Like, you can't take that. Because he's saying that's not what happened. Well, you said it on film. What are you talking about? I said, of course I did. Civil and I was never going to use it. It doesn't matter what I say. I'm trying to get the fuck out of here. I'm trying to get this done with. I'm an old man. I'm dying.

I'm going to be dead soon for God's saying. And I'm worth $100 million. Of course I'm going to pay. Civil lawsuits are all about who's got the more money to spend on a lawyer, right? That's at the end of the day. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to. Who's going to take it the farthest? Who's going to. Who's going to fucking... Sometimes it's about... Look, it's... You have more...

You have more leverage if you have more money. Whoever has more money has more leverage. They can hire more... Or... If you're just wrong, you're wrong. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you're wrong. It's hard to be on an even playing field

when one person's broke and the other one has 60 lawyers on their payroll and they're worth a trillion dollars. So it's hard for me to sue Amazon. Right. But if that person who has a 60 lawyer is also a celebrity with a reputation to uphold, then the smaller person, then they have leverage.

Then the smaller guy has leverage because they can put their story out there and create media fiasco. It's like the guy with Nike, the guy that just is going to go to two and a half years got, the guy that was a Stormy Weather's old attorney. Stormy Daniels? Stormy Daniels. Stormy Weather. Did I say?

Said Weathers. Stormy Wethers. Stormy Daniels. Stormy Daniels. old attorney, which is Avante? Something Avonte? What's his name? Aponte? No, no. Aponte. No. Avanti.

Yeah, the guy who's he was with, he was Stormy Daniels. Stormy Daniels's old lawyer. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, he went to Nike Michael Evante. He went to He went to Nike. How do I not know this story? I don't know.

He went to Nike and said, look, I've got clients that are sports guys, or sorry, that are kids that were in sports and that are going to say that you guys offered to pay him or pay them. And I'm going to help like, he, they got him on tape saying, he's saying, I want $25 million or I'm going to, or your company is going to take a $10 billion. And you're saying they were paying kids, what? that they were either paying kids or, I forget the exact thing, but basically he was going to smear, he was ready to do. Paying kids to do what?

Make their shoes? To wear their shoes, to wear their products. A federal judge on Thursday sentenced celebrity lawyer turned criminal defendant Michael Avanti to 30 months in prison for attempting to extort millions of dollars from Nike. Wow. He rose to fame as Stormy Daniel's lawyer and was convicted in February 2020. That was more than a year ago, bro, of 30. The recounts for threatening to publicly accused the sportswear company of illicitly paying amateur basketball players unless Nike paid him.

Right. Wow. So he, and his whole thing was like, if I do this, it's going to cost you guys. Your company will take a $10 billion, you know, nose dive. Like, your stock will this, and so I want $25 million. And so they immediately called the FBI. Yeah. No shit.

Recorded him and everything. And then boom, now he's doing two and a half years. Fucking dumb. What a dumb ass. Already rich. Already got a bunch of money. Trying to extort Nike. Just a greedy fucking scumbag.

Right. So I'm saying that his leverage over Nike, because typically I'll bet you'd be shocked how many big corporations actually do pay out. Right. Just to get rid of, like nuisance suits, like little suit. Like we don't want this in the, we don't want to be associated with this or whatever. I mean, how many times? He probably asked for too much.

He should have shot the number about half of what he shot at. Or he should have double. Or he should have. have made the number way higher. Well, I'm wondering what. They're calling the FBI after a certain amount. Yeah, yeah. I'm wondering exactly like what the...

How much? Well, I'll tell you what. They probably felt like he was pretty over the top and we can definitely prove this. And this will send a message to anybody else who wants to try this. Yeah. Like it's worth going to this. And he was probably being so overt about it.

Like they're like, this dumb ass is bound to say something wrong on tape. Like we can easily get this guy. He's not doing it like in the guise of the law. he's basically like extorting there. Right. And he says on it, he's like, he's like, he says something like, they said something about, well, what about this, a million dollars? Because a million dollars, that doesn't do anything for me.

He said, listen, he said, I'll come out with, he's, I'll line up 10, 10 guys or 10, whatever, basketball players that'll all say this. He said, he said, and he goes, in your, he says something like, like, your stock will take up $10 million or $10 billion hit. He said, okay, he said, so stop fucking around with me. I mean, he's talking. He's cussing. He's crazy with a bunch of lawyers. Yeah, he's probably in his office, fucking taking shots of whiskey doing lines.

Right. So they're probably sitting at. The lawyers who were wired up are like, that was beautiful. That was perfect. You hear what he did? God, damn. What an idiot. Clip it.

Like, how perfect is that? Somebody clip that. So, yeah. But, yeah. So Bill Cosby, going back to Bill Cosby, his lawyer that he used was one of Trump's lawyers. He was one of the lawyers Trump to use for his impeachment trial. Right?

I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah, Trump lawyer. Look at how quick that was, Austin. Fuck. Trump lawyer, Bruce Castor, plays a central role in the Bill Cosby going free.

Look at Bill. That's not Bill. Yeah, it is. That's fucking Bill. He's a fucking white guy. No, that's his lawyer. That's Bill's lawyer. Bruce.

That's what I said, Bruce. He said, look, Look at Bill. I said, look at Bruce. You're all fucked up today. Run it back, bud. Your words are all jumbled up. Run it back, pal.

Lawyer Bruce Castor has now gotten two extremely high profile Americans off this year in a much-watched legal proceeding. First came President Donald Trump. Now comes Bill Cosby. That's crazy. So what is the reason? So Bill

when he went to prison for a few years for this case, basically the judge who looked at this said you can't take this evidence you can't take the shit that went down in the civil lawsuit you can't take it to a federal you can't take it to a criminal transfer it into a criminal lawsuit so it goes against the rules right well i mean he was just he's saying that it's it's different first of all well first of all i use it we don't we all agree this cannot be used you cannot you know this this this is for the sole purposes of this trial blah blah blah and then they end up and give it to

the, uh, so obviously rape is a very bad thing, you know, it's not good to rape people. Yeah. especially when we can agree you got hundreds of people you got hundreds of women saying that you raped them right like you should be in fucking prison if you're raping hundreds of people right but the what he's saying is there's also statute of limitations you know what I'm saying so the statute of limitations on almost all of them was up almost almost all of them but I love that it's all up but they all get to come in when you're sentenced they all get to line up and talk yeah wait a second her statute of limitations she wasn't I didn't rape her she said you did we're going to let that stand let her come up right you know so they get to go in and and say, you know, oh, in 19... So are they saying they fucked up? Like, it was fucked up. They should not have locked them up. Yeah. No, no, what they did was they said,

this evidence could not have been used. And as a result of that, I'm throwing it out with prejudice. So you can't use it. You can't bring it back. And I'm dismissing the charges with prejudice. You cannot re-charge him. So the state can't come in and say, oh, we're going to charge him again and without the evidence.

No, the judges say, one, you're not using it. using it again, too, you're not charging him again. Right. He's, go home. So here's the thing. What were you going to say? So you don't think the whole time he's going through his trial or whatever, him and his lawyers have to know, like, you can't be using this evidence, right?

It's always subject. I mean, it's always subjective. And look, there's stuff where it's clearly you cannot use this evidence. And the U.S. attorney will argue it, your honor, but this and this. And sometimes the judge will go, well, I'm going to allow it. And what are you talking about? Like the defense will say, well, statute such and such says, I disagree.

And knowing that you understand that this is going to, this will be appealed and it will be thrown out and the whole thing will be thrown out. But the judges know and the U.S. attorneys know. They're like, yeah, I know, but think about it. It's going to, the trial's this long. By the time he gets the prison, by the time he appeals it, by the time he does this, it's two years.

Then even if he gets a new trial, which is probably pretty good, it's going to be six months before we have to be the trial. We'll delay it as much as we can. We'll get another three years. He'll do three years before he gets back in front of a jury, and he's already lost once. So we can probably negotiate with him during that period of time to say, look, immediate release, but you have to plead guilty. And most guys, even if they're innocent. They're just going to say, all right.

All right, fine, just let me out. Let me out. Like, I'll be a felon. I don't care. Just let me out. Like they're so, now it's three years you're traumatized. And you see how the system works and you realize how stacked against you it is. So you realize right away, look, I'll do anything just to escape the situation.

Like I've got 20 years and you're going to let me out after three. I'll take it. Even though I haven't done anything. Most of the time when they do stuff like the Innocence Project comes in and stuff and they'll say, look, turns out that all of this evidence, all this evidence that you have against this guy, you said this is his blood. You said this is his fingerpriced. You said this.

Guess what? Not his blood, not this, not that. Most of the time, the states will come in and say, we're going to retry them. What are you talking about? Your main evidence was the blood, was the semen. It's not his. It's 100%. We actually have another person that it may be that died in prison two years ago.

What are you talking about? They're like, no, no, we're going to retry them. We'll try it again. Because they're like, look, first of all, the guys, he's been locked up 10 years. He knows how bad it is. He knows the chance that he got this. And he's innocent. He's in prison. And the chance he knows that this was a fluke.

So he knows if we retry him, there's a chance. He's going back. He might still get found guilty. And we're going to use that to try and get him to plead guilty so that he can't sue us for what we did to him. Right, right. And most guys will say, okay, I'll take it. Like, wait, you didn't rape her. You didn't rape and murder that woman.

You didn't do this. You didn't do any of this. It's all 100% true. we can prove it now, you're still ready to sign something and walk away. Why? Because I thought I was going to die in prison and I'm just desperate to just get out. Right. You just want to get the fuck out.

Right. You know, for all I know, I could be killed in here before I walk out of here. Especially now that people have seen me on the news and they know I'm getting out, a lot of jealousy in prison. People will attack you for no reason. A lot of guys won't tell people when they're getting out. Like, a lot of guys will be like, look, don't go around like the last month or two saying, yeah, man, I'm out of here in a month. I'm out of here in a month. Because a lot of these guys aren't getting out for 10 years.

Some of these guys are going to die in here. And you're walking around saying that, there's a lot of people that are bipolar. They'll flip out on you and attack you. So don't say nothing. So, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. These guys are signing just to walk out the door. Of course, once they're outside, they turn around, they're like,

I should have sued, I should have this, I shouldn't sign that paper, I shouldn't. But you were under such duress. Right. Plus, wasn't part of the argument that he's fucking 80 years old. Like letting this guy out. Even if he's a rapist. He's nothing to worry about.

He's a fucking 80-year-old. He's not a risk. He's not a risk. He's not like a fucking 30-year-old guy who's a serial rapist. Plus, these women aren't saying that he beat me, beat me, bowed me in the trunk of his car, drove me to, drove me out in the woods, raped me and left me for dead. They're saying, hey, slid me a Mickey. And next thing you know, he looked good. And he's famous and rich, so I had sex with him.

You know, they're not saying he beat on me and held me down. and, you know, my eyes were black and blue and I broke my nose and, you know. Right. You think he knew he was going to get out on that technicality? No. No? I mean, I think that, look, I think at his level, your lawyers are always kind of telling you, we can do this and we can do this.

We've got a good chance. Like they're trying and they can keep trying. They will keep trying because they're getting paid to try. So they're doing that. And in his mind, maybe he never really accepted it. but I've known a lot of rich guys that 100% were positive. They were not going to be found guilty. Yeah.

And then when they were found guilty, like after a year or two, like they think, oh, well, they're going to get it turned over. They're going to let me back out on bond. Then they find out you're not getting bond. Well, what do you mean? Well, you're going to have to start the prison sentence and we'll do this. We're going to do it as quickly as possible. How quickly?

Right, yeah. Like how long am I going to be? You're telling me, I have to turn myself in? Yeah. for a 20-year sentence? Or they take them right then. Yeah. Not guilty.

Or, you know, boom, guilty. And they're like, you know, okay. Next thing you know, they're handcuffed them. They're going, well, what's going on? What's going on? Because their lawyers were telling them the whole time. Right. Oh, don't worry.

It's not guilty, not guilty. Didn't even tell them that, by the way, if it's guilty, you're going in. Like, didn't even work out a deal with the prosecutor. Like, look, if it is guilty, can you please recommend that we let him turn himself in? Like, because normally they'll say no. Sometimes they might say yes. but it's like no I knew this guy

his first name was Bradley last name was Bradley listen Bradley after a few years he was just devastating I think he did like 10 years on like a 25 year sentence or something and he just

it was it was just a brutal brutal sentence that he got and he eventually got it overturned but I mean literally it took like 10 or 11 years before he got it overturned his father served almost his entire sentence sentence. His father got like 15 years or something literally was getting out by the time they won the appeal. I mean, that's how long they can drag it out. Donovan Davis, he's been locked up.

Hold on. He's been locked up five, almost six years. He's at a camp right now. I mean, this guy's six years for a seven, on a 17 year sentence. And he's been fighting the entire time. Think about it. Six years. Completely innocent. Right. And absolutely, he hasn't even moved on. This is his appeals. And this is a guy who has concrete evidence proving his innocence, right? Oh, and it's getting worse all the time. Yeah, absolutely.

It has concrete evidence. It's getting worse all the time. And, yeah, I can't. There's other stuff going on. I'm not even going to mention on the, I'll tell you later. Like new stuff? Yeah, like you wouldn't believe the stuff that's happening. Like corrupt kind of fucking corrupt criminal justice?

Like, don't get a shadow band. Yeah, like, no, no, no, no, not like that, not like that. Just, just in general, like other things that are people, witnesses, like, there's this one guy. Do you remember the guy I refer to as Evil Gru? He was, he was one of the guys, one of the guys that was saying that Donovan had lied, and Donovan had stolen his money and convinced him to give all this money and this and that and this and that. But really, that was one of the guys who had brought in a bunch of investors. So let's say I'm forget his name, but basically evil grew said,

he goes to all of his friends and says, give me money and we need to all invest money in capital blue. So they all invest money. Well then, of course, when it all collapses, and he's put on the stand, he says, Donovan is the one that came to all of us. Well, all these guys are actually like, Donovan didn't come to us.

You came to us. Yeah. Well, and a lot of their money, so what it ended up happening was this guy actually was running a Ponzi scheme himself. He's been re-indicted for stealing money from people. He actually was raising money to get a kickback from Capital Blue to get these guys to invest his money. Like there's all the, and then when he got on the stand, he blatantly lied about all kinds of stuff. So that guy, that's a whole thing. Something Avondetti or Roman Deddy. His name's Romandetti. Chris Roman Deddy. He's, he's, right now

he's indicted, he's waiting to go to trial. So there's all these other things that are happening. There's a couple other things I can't even tell. you, bro, but it's like when I tell you what's happening, you're going to be like, whoa, good stuff. Anyway, but yeah, yeah, listen, it's all messed up. But six years? You've been fighting for six years. You're not even through the process. He hasn't even like lost. He just lost his appeal. Like for his, for a new trial, his appeal and for a new trial, he just lost. Now he's able to fight his, what's called your 2255. You're able to say that basically my lawyers were ineffective. And he's got a major great, a great case

for his lawyers being ineffective. But that's another three-year process. He'll spend 10 years before he's fighting before he's exhausted his legal remedies. 10 years before he, and by the way... Is he still paying these lawyers

with his own money? Yeah, he's still paying. These aren't the same lawyers. He fired them right away. I mean, keep mind, one of his lawyers... Meanwhile, he's got a wife and kids that are... He's got a wife in Orlando that are... Fucking agonizing over this process the whole time. Yeah. Christy Davis, I talk to her all the time.

I texted her a couple days ago, just a couple days ago, just on just new events that are happening in this case. That's fucked up. Look at Pete. Pete's been fighting his case for 20 years. 20 years. Who's Pete again? Pete Rusini.

Rusini, okay, from the Breaking Bad story. Yeah, they'd been drag. They'd been drag. We did a whole podcast on Pete. Yeah. It's called, I believe it's, if you search for it on YouTube, it's called Matthew Cox, the Breaking Bad Case or something like that. I thought it was like the real breaking bad or something. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a fucking crazy-ass story. Yeah, that one, actually, that one's got like 300,000, 400,000. Yeah, that podcast went crazy. He got a lot. Yeah, yeah, with the dirty FBI agents and the whole thing. But, I mean, look at Pete, like, literally think about it. The whole thing, for the U.S. attorneys, they're like, it doesn't. really matter how I get the conviction because once I've got you convicted and I can drag it out 10

years while you're trying to unravel this whole thing. What if your sentence is 10 years? Right. Fight it. Yeah, go ahead. Fight it. You'll be fighting it when you're in the halfway house and where you're home starting your life over again. I can drag it out that long. You'll serve your whole sentence and you'll still be fighting it. But let's face it, most people when they're basically done, they're not fighting anymore I'm tired of it I'm tired of the legal bills my lawyers all quit

I'm broke none of my friends or family will let me borrow money from them anymore I'm basically doing all the legal work myself and now I'm in the halfway house and I have to work my job at McDonald's and try and find an apartment

do I have to I need to keep fighting this it's over it's over I'm gonna lose I've lost even though even though even though I feel I'm innocent and I've done nothing wrong fuck it

they're like they're done they got me they beat you can't blame them Right. I mean, that's it. So they're like, I'm out. I just want to go on with my life. Reconnect with my, you know, three daughters and hopefully my ex-wife won't, you know, will let me see my 14-year-old. You know what I'm saying? It's just ridiculous. Like, I'm just devastated. How are you doing with all your stuff? With your probation officer and with your paying off your restitution and dealing with everything after the fact. I love the way you saying paying off. It's $6 million. Yeah, you owe that $6 million, Matt. Making payments.

Matt, you owe that $6 million to the government. that you stole from the government. I don't know it to the government, by the way. To the banks. Yeah. Like 85% of those banks have all gone under. So really the money that I'm paying in it is going to the government. To the good people.

They'll just keep it. To that you stole, the $6 million that you stole from the good people. We owe this, he owes this to AmeriQuest, but they're insolvent and they were to bank. We'll keep it. Should we give it back to Mr. Cox? Hey, Matt Cox paid 20 this month. America Corps isn't around anymore. You could keep it this week, Don.

Last month I paid like $420 or something like $420. Oh, listen, some of my payments are like $800, $400, $600. Some are like, listen, I've had, here's a thing. Like when COVID hit and I'm like dead broke and I'm on unemployment. And unemployment, of course, is only paying like $600. Like I'm not making anything. You have to pay your $150. What are you talking about?

I got to pay my $150. I made $600 on unemployment. $150, Mr. Cox, or you're going back to prison. What do you do? I can't even eat for what's left over. Yeah. 150. 150 or fuck off.

Thank God I was living at my friend Stacy's house. And she was cooking me meals every day. Like, I mean, listen, she didn't. Well, you shouldn't have ripped off those innocent bank executives. Oh, my God. Oh, did I tell you this? So the documentary, the one in Amsterdam, So the guy sitting here

He's like, okay, we need to be able to talk to other people. So can you give us some other names that we people? You're still in common. This guy. So I'm giving them names of people, right? Like this person, this person. They're like, what about, we really would like to talk, be able to talk to some victims.

I'm like, well, I'm sure there's someone at Bank of America you could contact. They're still around or. SunTrust is still around. Well, we were thinking individual victims. I'm like, well, there's four of them. All single mothers. So, I'm like, so. you're telling me that out of the 60-some-odd banks and four individuals,

you don't want to talk to who lost the bulk of the money. You want to talk to the people who lost the least bit of money that I didn't take money from, but I caused them to actually have to go and hire an attorney for $4,000. You want to talk to that. You don't want to talk to the Bank of America who lost $2 million. You want to talk to them. Well, you know, it's more of it. I'm sure there's an executive you can talk to.

Yeah. Like, why can't you talk to an executive? Because the executive won't talk to them. Because an executive won't break down and cry and tell you something. Sob story. It was so terrified and tormented. I lost sleep. Because he didn't even feel it.

Right. It's like, he's not affected. His life is not affected by it. That's why. But that's the bulk of the money. Like, that's what, that's it. That's what I did. Like, let's talk to them.

They're like, we're really looking for someone that will cry. Right. We want them. We want them. For $4,000? Yeah. For you, you hired an attorney. paid him $4,000 and I ruined your life?

If I ruined your life, if $4,000 ruined your life, you were hanging on by a thread, bro. I mean, honestly. A hurricane, a bad storm, something else was going to knock him. It was only a matter of time. Sorry. Do I, did I, does that come off unsympathetic? Not at all. No, I love

everybody. Sorry. I feel. Feel bad about that. Matt, I think we've hit, I think we've hit a wall here. How long have we been going, Austin? It's only two hours. Two hours. That's a good one. What are you getting? What are you getting on your 35, 38%? 30%? Something this long. 32%. What do you mean we're talking about? People, you know, the watch like the watch that. That make it all the way through about 32%. Oh, I have no idea. I don't pay attention to that. Oh, we need to check.

Yeah, we'll check it. We'll check it after we turn off. Turn off. I'd never look at that shit. Yeah, because, you know, like the shorter ones, you'll get like 41, 42. Some people are very, some people are very analytical and very into the numbers of their podcasts and stuff, which is good. I'm sure it helps. you know, like people like you or people like Graham Stefan. They're very into. Well, if you have 10 years of videos cranked out and you're constantly having people watch them, yeah. The numbers are. I'm sure it's good to look.

I'm just not, I just don't, I never look at it. You don't read the comments either. I almost, I respond to almost all my comments. Unless somebody says something really messed up. I was thinking about it last night. I want to start responding to all my comments and just fucking responding to the trolls and just talking shit. I think it would be fun to do it. I don't do that.

I'm not doing that. Honestly, I want to go start fights and lightfires in the comment section. Listen, you know, it's funny is um in the comment section like some of these people well first of all they're hilarious like a lot of them are hilarious yeah they are well that's what's great about that's what I do love

I love the comments first of all I'm not I'm not not in the comments I don't read them a lot because they're fucking they're really bad for my fucking my brain makes me not feel good about myself but they are great because it's like a it's like a creative writing contest

whoever can come up with like the most fucking articulate ridiculous comment sentence or whatever. It gets upvote. So the best one rises to the top. It's like a contest for whoever can fucking nail it the best. You know what I mean? It's fucking, it's amazing.

You know, well, I was going to say, one of the things that happens is this is weird. So I always click, like, post all comments. You know, you can put, so, like, hold the ones that are negative or hold the ones that are derogatory. Like, it actually gives you an option. Like, if somebody cusses or something, they'll, like, hold it. I always say post them all.

Because of the algorithm. I don't care if it's what they say. It doesn't matter, post them. So I get a lot of times where I can, on the actual studio, when you look at it on your phone, it'll show you the first few lines. And then when I click on it to watch the whole thing, it says comment not found. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense. Like I'll click it.

And so a lot of times it actually still doesn't post it for some reason. Even though I said like and some of the comments like I'm sure that they're okay. Like that like if the guy said something minor. Right. I can't imagine what he says. Well, that's just AI. You know what I mean? They're just like flagging shit.

They say certain things. There's certain trigger words they'll block it for. You know what I mean? There's no way that's, you know, anybody can monitor all those comments. There's flaws in the AI. Well, I mean, I know it. Yeah, yeah. It's got to be a flaw because some of them are just not.

Yeah. Some of them, of course. Some of them are fucking. awful yeah some of them are really like they're they're pretty they're pretty vicious like I very quickly became hardened to it yeah but like the first first week or two after that first podcast ready to argue yeah I remember I remember I have a conversation yeah listen I badgered some of those guys so bad they took their comments down I were like literally a polyp bro I'm sorry after thinking about it and what you said I didn't think about it from that point of view I have a

different perspective now I'm actually going to remove I'm just going to edit my comment now and take it now. Like. Nice. I didn't even know that was positive. Mission accomplished. Only Matt Koch could do some shit like that. I'll tell you that.

All right. Plug your shit, Matt. Tell us about your books. Tell us about your paintings. Where can we buy shit? Nobody's watched this long. Yeah. Books.

I got books. There's a couple people here. I got books. I've got. Buy Shark in the Housing pool. Paintings. Paintings. You can contact me.

Danny's going to put my email in the description. Go to or just, you look to even like, I am. Or go to my channel at Inside Tree. Matt Cox inside true crime. Watch my videos. Like, subscribe. You don't do any of that. Buy some shit.

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That's so awesome. Go to my channel, subscribe. I need, bro, I got 30,000, almost 31,000 subscribers. That's fucking awesome, man. You're killing it on YouTube, bro. It's so awesome. I remember when you were like, oh, I got a thousand. Yeah, I got a thousand.

I was thrilled. I didn't know. I had a thousand before I had been new. He had. to tell me what it was. I'm like, one of these little things showing up. He's like, let me see. Give me this. You're like 900 subscribers. I don't even have a channel. Yes, you do.

Yeah, that's awesome, man. Matt Cox, the biggest true crime podcast on YouTube, go subscribe to him, go buy his books, and then buy Life Lock, Title Lock, Insurance. Goodbye, world. Adios. See you.