Danny Jones Podcast - #104 - Venezuela's Most Wanted Fraudster | Juan Sanchez

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

Juan Sanchez is a real estate con man who served nearly a decade in prison for committing $30 million in bank fraud. During his scheme he lost millions of dollars which he was supposed to be laundering for the Sinaloa cartel. As a result he was kidnapped by the Venezuelan government and barely escaped with his life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello world. Juan Sanchez is a real estate con man who served nearly a decade in prison for committing $30 million in bank fraud. During his scheme, he lost millions of dollars which he was supposed to be laundering for the Sinaloa cartel. And as a result, he was kidnapped by the Venezuelan government and barely escaped with his life. Juan's story about escaping Venezuela and the threats that he got from the Venezuelan government are absolutely terrifying. And it's amazing that this guy is still alive and able to tell his story. Without further ado, please welcome Juan Sanchez. Juan Sanchez. Yes, sir.

How you doing, man? How are you doing? I'm great. I'm great. Thank you for coming on here to tell your story with Matt. Matt's very familiar with the story. He told me about you. Yes.

You guys recently did a really interesting podcast together. You guys are both mortgage fraudsters. We like to call it colleagues. Colleagues. Yeah, we're both colleagues. But you guys didn't work together in mortgage. No, no, no, no. Okay, okay.

How did you guys meet? That's, sorry, that's funny. Well, he got to Coleman. Yeah, we did time in the same prison. Okay. When you go into prison, they kind of screen you out. You know, they screen you out based on your race and based on your crime at the time you got. So I walked in and they asked me, listen, what are you here for?

I said, fraud. They said, how much money? 39 million. And they just made the numbers in their minds. They're like, okay, 39 millions. How much time did you get? I said, 15 years. Okay.

Yeah, it adds up. It adds up. You know that guy over there? Yeah, that's Matt Cox. That's who you need to talk to. So I guess he was like the rep of the fraudsters in the prison. Is that true, Matt? I remember. I mean, I do remember him kind of coming over. I didn't know the whole background where they were like anything, but he came over. He was like, hey, I talk to you.

He's screened me out. He's like, well, let me talk to you about, you know, bank fraud. And what do you know about putting together, you know, fake identities and people and giving them a social security? And I say, yeah, and you put the trade. and he's like, oh, we're going to get along. You know what you're talking about. So, yeah, we had a little group of, they used to call them the smart white people. The smart white people.

Yeah, and they will tell me like, they say, well, don't you go play with the smart white people? And, yeah, and it will be him and Frank and Doug and we'll play risk. Wow. So, man, the same little club in the moment. Yeah, we have a little club. I'm not sure. I had our own gang. I don't know how Doug got involved.

Yeah, well, he wasn't like, Frank. He qualified. They had 50% of the requirement there. Not smart. Yeah. So when did you get released? I got released December 23rd. I didn't know I was getting released.

Oh, last year? Yeah, I've been out for seven months. Okay, wow. Yeah, that's why I still smell like a mackerel. Wow. Yeah, I carry stamps in my pockets and things like that. I'm still getting used to currency. And you were telling me before we started recording, you're not allowed to drive still,

and you're not allowed to work either. That's correct. When I was released from prison in June 2nd, and then I was taken to ICE. So I was under immigration custody for seven months. And in there, I got a removal order. And due to the nature of my case, or one of my cases, my life is at risk if they send me back to Venezuela. I have former friends that want to kill me. More like clients, clients, that are.

they want to kill me. Really? Yeah. Yeah. He can't go back to Venezuela. I cannot go back to Venezuela. It would be bad. Yeah.

Yeah. I think I will make it past 50,000 feet. Really? Yeah. Like as I'm on the plane, are you waiting for you. Are you worried about your safety, even being in Florida? Well, not in Florida.

You know, it's hardly ever you'll find somebody that will do the job. My kids were worried for a while. But definitely going abroad. Yeah, it's a problem for me. Because it's government people, and the government, they have long arms. So Colombia, Brazil, Spain, you know, those countries are, they have a lot of influence there. So going back, how did you eventually land in prison?

How did you land in Coleman? Yeah, you got, how did you come to the United States? Well, you didn't come to the United States to do time in prison. I came before that, Matt. So you came to the United States? I actually lived a straight line for a while. For a short while. Short while.

So I came to the United States. I'm from Venezuela. So I came to the United States when I was 16, 15, 16. Went to high school in Florida. Then I went to Minnesota. St. Cloud, Minnesota, and I did some college there. And I got into fraternity, some partying. And, you know, I was a dark-skinned guy in an all-white town and, you know, quite popular.

And then I moved back to Orlando. And I didn't have any money. I didn't know what to do. I got my real estate license, and I started selling timeshare. And I realized that I had a talent for, uh, persuading people. You know, I don't know if you guys ever been to a timeshare presentation. Never, no.

Never? I think everybody should go to one. Really? Yeah. They invite you for to Disney tickets. Yeah. And a free breakfast. And 90 minutes later, you're walking out of there with a $50,000 mortgage on a product that doesn't work.

And I was really good. I actually became one of the top salespeople in the world in 2019, 1991, 1992. And then I got hired by another company to develop their training program. And I developed it, I executed it, and I quit. And they enforced and uncompete. So I couldn't work for two years. And during those two years, I decided to start teaching real estate to Spanish people. Because there wasn't a real estate school that was teaching in Spanish.

Like this format that you guys have right now. I'm Hispanic. So I look at concrete, and I think the channel is phenomenal. But nobody's doing what you guys are doing in Spanish. So I will find those niches and kind of like attack him. So I opened my real estate school, and I became like a cult leader. I had these people coming to my classes, and I will motivate them, and I made them walk through glass and breakboards.

So you're like the Hispanic Tony Robbins. Yeah, Antonio. Antonio Robino. Yeah, that's a whole, that story altogether. But yeah, so I had like a little cultish thing going. And I said, man, I can't get these guys to sell for me. I can't open like a real estate timeshare organization. So I had hundreds of people with a real estate license working for me.

And that's how I got into the real estate market, actually. I realized that nobody was doing what I was doing, bringing masses of salespeople to bring masses of clients into projects. What year was this? Oh my God. 2001. Because I remember my first real estate class, I had to cancel it because the Twin Towers had happened.

Wow. And I was teaching in like the 11th floor of the holiday in. And my wife at the time called me. I was like, oh, my God, the next plane is going to you. Yeah. So I did that. And because I had so many salespeople. I was able to sell things that nobody was selling.

So developers started reaching out to me. And they said, listen, man, we have this property. As a matter of fact, I had product here in Tampa. I had a couple of projects here in a... When you say projects, what do you mean specifically? You had these developers that bought apartment complexes and they couldn't sell them. They will buy them, break them into pieces,

and sell them an apartment at a time. Kind of conversions. Right, right, right. Tampa Palms was big into that back on those days. So they will call me in and said, man, we made a mistake. We bought this property and we can sell it. Can you help us out? And I'll say, well, 150 apartments.

Let me see. I have 300 salespeople. If 50% of my sales force sells one, I'll sell you out in two weeks. So I will put it out in one of my classes and they will go in there and you sell it out in a week or two weeks. And I became a well-known for that. I was the go-to guy to sell product that nobody was buying. How much money are you making at that time? doing this with 300 sales people well on the seven digits maybe yeah close the real estate school

people were paying me 300 dollars a pop to take my classes so I was stay I was filling up a room with 100 150 people every weekend yeah so I was doing really doing well at that time really well but then the problem is people like Matt got in the industry and they started getting the banks a little nervous So they started saying, well, you know, we're going to start asking for down payment. You guys are young. You don't remember the days of no money down to buy a house. No, unfortunately. I've heard the stories, though.

Oh, my God. Listen, you will go anywhere and you'll say, well, half a million dollars. How much do I need down? I don't know, $700 for the appraisal. And how about, you know, for the down payment? No, worry about it. We got it. So everybody bought no money down.

Then the banks said, listen, we're not going to take no money down anymore. more. We need 10% we need 15%. Well, I had people on contracts with no money down. So that's when things began to get a little shady for me. But it's funny because I was talking to Matt

on the way here. To be a white-collar fraudster, you have to understand the concept of fraud. And I think you guys or like the audience, like I did a podcast with Matt and people were going, what did he do? That is wrong. I bought my house like that.

Listen, first of all, don't be saying that, okay, because you broke the law. And second of all, fraud is such a weird concept to understand. Because if you lie, it's not really fraud. Like I told you, my name is Juan. And we do this podcast. And tomorrow you find out my name is Jose. Well, I didn't commit fraud. I just lied.

but if you sold product because my name was Juan and then your vendors come after you because they find out my name is Jose then you suffer damages and that's the problem so as long as the banks were getting paid and everybody was making money everybody was happy so the banks are not lending any money I get a call from this guy he says man I have 180 apartments I need to sell them out I said okay I'm going in and I look at the apartments and I go how much are you selling them for?

$150,000. I said, Kallin selling for $300,000? You said, yeah, how are you going to do that? So don't worry about it. I got to increase the value of this apartment complex to $300,000.

How much do you want out of each apartment? They said, $150,000. I said, okay, so the other $150,000 I can use for whatever I want. And he said, yeah, I don't care. They're all right, that's fine. So what I would do is I will take two or three apartments

and do a fake closing on them. So I will register a buyer. It will show a price of $300,000. And then I will get an appraiser and say, listen, can you appraise this apartment for $300,000? These are the comps. So he will use those apartments and increase the value. And then I will take buyers and I will tell them,

don't worry about it. If you don't have the down payment, I'll give it to you. It's $300,000. The down payment is 20%, so it's $60,000. And on top of that, I'm going to give you $80,000 for you to take home on the closing table. And they were loving it, loving it. Weren't they suspicious of that, though?

The clients or the bank? The people that are buying it. Like if someone's coming to you, it's trying to sell. They care. Like most people, if you told them, look, I'm going to give you $100,000 and I'm going to ruin your credit.

So you're going to have to claim bankruptcy. Your credit's going to be ruined, but you get $100,000. 99% of people will go, absolutely, no problem. I'll take it for 100,000. Like, when's a regular guy from Walmart who works at Walmart going to get $100,000? Where you're getting your buyers from is the key.

It could be any person. It doesn't matter. Right. Even if they're suspicious, they're like, they think they're getting over on you. Like, they're like, oh, yeah, I'll do that. Like, oh, my God, I hope he doesn't figure out that this doesn't make sense. Well, you know what? The main problem we had, people will come and say, listen, can I buy five?

And you'll give me like $80,000 for each? And I'll be like, well, I cannot give you $80,000 for each. But if you buy five, you probably get about 60, maybe 50. You do one owner-occupied and four investment properties, which means you need a larger down payment, but I can still get your money back. So you get $250,000. So they'll say, okay, I'll want to buy five. Or you'll do like a shotgun closing.

You close them all at the first time, at the same time. And they're all owner-occupied. I've done six. No, I did eight owner-occupied duplexes one time. She didn't move into one of them. Jesus. For a Hillsborough County Sheriff's Deputy's wife. Sorry.

And what's crazy is back on those days, which is what's happening right now, you didn't have to close in the title company. So you will walk away with like five, you know, priority mail envelopes, and you'll be like, okay, sign here, no, right, no right, okay, now sign this one. Now sign this one. Now sign this one. Now send it, congratulations, you own five apartments. You take it back to the title company, they close it, they'll send you the check.

So it was insane. And like that, I sold $39 million worth of real estate in one project. How long did that take that whole? Probably about two months. Damn. Maybe two to three months. Yeah. Right.

Okay. So everything is fine. People are paying their mortgage. Everybody's happy. The bank's happy. I'm happy. The developers are happy. Then one day, banks stop lending and the property starts going down.

2008. Going down, 2006. Oh, okay. Yeah. Going down and people stopped. paying their mortgages. I get a letter saying, listen, you have 40 apartments in the project that you sold going on foreclosure. I said, well, 40. That means 140 are still good. All right. You know, there's property going on foreclosure everywhere in the United States anyway. That's a huge percentage.

Well, you know, then I get another letter and it's like, listen, dude, you have 80 apartments on foreclosure right now. And I'm like, well, the economy is hurting. These guys are probably hurting. That's not my fault. They'll pay it back. They'll catch up with their loans, you know. Then I get a letter saying, listen, 160 apartments are on foreclosure. Like, nobody's paying their freaking mortgage. Who is writing you these letters?

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, banks, the title company, because now they're going after the title company is going, listen, where are these people? Yeah, where's the W-2's at? Mortgage brokers. I mean, they're pointing the finger at everybody, and everything's going back at me. and the last person that contacted me about those apartments was the federal government. And they said, did you sold 180 apartments? Yeah, they're all in foreclosure. Like, nobody's paying their mortgage in there. And the apartments are worth about $39,000 right now.

So... Did you tell them you felt bad about that? Nobody feels worse about that than me. I was broken. I'm just as upset about that. But what really broke my heart is when the prosecutor said, and you know where I live? A mile from that apartment complex.

So my house value went to shit because of you. And I said, well, you know. You should move. It wasn't because of me because I didn't sell you your house, but you should have gotten cash back when you could. How much cash back did you get? Listen, it's not too late. I could have got you a better deal.

I could have gotten you five apartments and you could have paid up your house. Yeah. Did you anticipate any of this happening? Did you anticipate these people maybe one day wouldn't be able to pay their mortgages because obviously you didn't check their income or you didn't give a shit? I didn't check anything. Right. we used to have what's called the mirror test

and I used to tell them, listen, put a mirror in their face. If it steams up, you got a buyer. He's alive, he's breathing. You got a buyer. He's got a pulse. Yeah, let's put him on black and white, you know? That's hilarious.

And I had like these beautiful women on the cell center, so guys will walk in and they will be like, well, you know, you can really get three apartments. I mean, your credit is good. And they would be like, well, okay, yeah. And they will, you know, so I had a whole setup. So did I think it was going to happen? I don't know.

I don't know what Matt's opinion is on this. But I think when you're on that role is such an adrenaline rush and you're kind of like getting away with things that you start justifying what you're doing. You become emboldened too. Every time there's a problem and you handle it, what's the big deal? You're making that much money. If there's an issue, you make a couple of phone calls. It gets handled.

So what? it's just the problem is, is when it starts coming in so fast you can't handle the problems anymore. You just don't anticipate it. And every, a crime is a crime. And I think sometimes, you know, like people here are talking and they're like, man, I got to, somebody told me the other day, oh, you went to this guy's podcast and you're glorifying crime. And I said, man, I'm not glorifying crime. But a crime is a crime. You know?

Well, I think. To hear you cry. Nobody wants to see me sit here and cry and cry. I feel so bad. I'm so sorry. And it's so bad. I went to prison. It was 15 years ago.

And he cried every day in prison because I heard him. So, you know. But it's like the guy that goes to Publix every day and steals tweet. Man, after a couple of years, he's going to ask you, listen, you want to barbecue something? Yeah, let me go to public and get some steaks. That's what he does for a living. He's steak. He's still shit.

That's what I did. So to me was normal. Yeah, you have become, you had become numb to it by that point. Listen, I remember, I had an employee. She called me one day. She's like, oh my God, they're asking me to fill out these forms. And I said, have you ever lied in your life? She said, yeah.

I said, well, I want you to lie like you have never lied before. And she's like, for real? I said, yes, that property, that condo is 100% occupied. And it was like 40% occupied. She's like, but what's going to happen when they find out? I said, I got it. Don't worry about it. You just write it up.

So I developed this culture of like people trusting me. Yeah, it's like, okay, he's got it. Got it. How do you sleep at night? Well, I'll tell you what. It worked... Just like you? You know what?

You know what happened? It worked against me? I had a $2,000 postopedic. When the Feds went around and they asked all of them, so who told you to do this? He did. He said to trust him. So, yeah. Needless to say, I got leadership role and, you know, I ended up getting 15 years.

After the feds are on you, how did it play it? How did that roll out? So the feds knock on my door. On 2007. Wait a second. Wait a second. So you're saying all the money that came for this complex was from Americans? Well, I had some foreign investors, some really good foreign investors.

Because at this point, there is a point when the apartments are not closing. Yeah, the bank's not lending money anymore. Banks are not lending money, and I'm desperate. And these clients walk through the door, and they are from my mother. land from the mothership and they come to me and they say listen can we buy cash and I said I mean like American cash they're like yeah how do you know these guys the friends you're just from when you live I mean you moved out of there when you were 16 yeah they actually came refer from a salesperson and the salesperson is like listen I don't know how to deal with these guys you want you want to

you want to talk to them and I say yeah so I talk to them and I say listen yeah you come you can buy cash they said okay we want give us about you know two apartments for this guy and two apartments for this guy and two apartments for this guy and I'm like, and you're going to close cash? And they're like, yeah. I said, perfect, fantastic. So these guys are putting money into this property and his friend is buying two and this other friend is buying two and it's all cash money, all from Venezuela. And sitting there going to go another problem. And you're going to lease out the properties or?

And they're going to make tons of money. And guess what? The property is going to go up in value. You hold on to this baby. The property is going to go open value. Okay. So the property starts going down on value and that's a whole different story. and I'll get into that. And these guys that are buying cash are calling me over and going, all right, man, we're ready to, you know, to pull out. We're ready to get the money out.

And I'm like, well, you know, we may have a problem. What? Yeah. I said, well, I don't know if you heard the news, but the market crash, bro. The money's gone. And they were like, what do you mean gone? I said, well, like, remember that

$200,000 apartment? It's about $40,000 right now. So if you want to sell it, I can't get you a buyer for $40,000. $1,000, but your guys are not going to be happy. So that's when I started finding out that these guys worked for the Venezuelan government. And they were like, well, this is what's going to happen. If we don't get our money back, we're going to kill you, and we're going to kill your family.

And we have a lot of people that you also scammed. And they want us to kill you anyways. So listen, it's no problem. And we are the government. And I remember one of the guys said to me once, they said, do you know what a red flag on the interpol is? And I'm like, no. He goes, well, is when the Interpol is looking for you, and we can make that happen.

And I was like, oh, well, I guess it sucks to be me then. I had one of those, so I know what it was. Well, I later ended up getting in the indictment of the director of Interpol, so they could have made that happen. Wow. So I have this issue, and then I have the Fet knocking on my door, and they come to me, and they say, listen, we want you to come down to Fort Lauderdale and talk to us. I go down there, I hire an attorney. And he says, let's go. Let's see what they have.

So I sit down and there is like the prosecutor is right there and two agents are sitting there. And they said, well, we're going to make this very simple. They show me all my deals and they said, what do you know about this? And I said, what do you mean? And I said, what do you know about these transactions? They said, and I said, I don't know the buyers. I mean, people bought apartments. I don't know what you want.

The prosecutor looked at me and said, that's your answer? and I said, yeah. And he said, okay, I'm going to see you again. I gave you a chance. And he walked away. And my attorney looked at me and said, they don't have anything on your ground. And I said, we're good.

And he's like, we're good. Perfect. I paid the guy. He walked away. I walked away. That was 2007. Four and a half years later, I got arrested in New York. The market crash.

these guys want to kill me. It's a story that we're going to go in a second because it blows up. And I'm like, listen, I can't do this anymore. I need to hide. I need to hide from the Venezuelans. And I need to hide from the Americans. And I need to hide from everybody. I need to go to the only place that I can hide.

And that place is called New York City. Why New York City? Dude, because in New York, you don't have a car. Nobody asks for your driver license. You don't have a phone. I don't have anything. My apartment wasn't somebody else's name. So I'm living the life in New York

Nobody knows me I had a friend of mine after your podcast She called me she's like Did you do all those bad things And I said well Some yeah And she goes So who's the one that we met in New York

I said listen The one that you met in New York was the New York one And that's the beauty of New York You can go there and be anybody you want You know a rock star An artist anybody So chronologically before you got arrested.

Yeah. Oh, okay. All right, yeah. Change the battery. Sorry, we got... This camera, we have to change batteries every like 30 minutes.

Oh, really? Chronologically. You just jumped four years. Whoa, when nothing happened, it was fucking four years. Can we tell me, you thought you went back to Venezuela.

But I got to get back to Venezuela when I get to that story in prison. When they start asking me, what did you do? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but that's not chronologically. Chronologically, during the...

Okay. Yeah, don't do it. Bro, that's what confuses people. Oh, okay. Is you're like that when this came up, but that's not when it chronologically into... That's not when you went back. Got it.

God. Right. So, you know, because otherwise you confuse people. I don't understand. So he was arrested and then they let him out and he went to... Got, got, got, got. People are stupid. So you have to go step by step by step.

All right. So, Matt, what were you saying? Chronologically, what? I'm saying he just jumped four years, but chronological... He just, he's like, yeah, so he was going to say... When he went to New York, he's jumping ahead. Yeah, he's jumping ahead. The question that a lot of people have is, why were you running away from the Venezuelans?

Right. Well, from. Well, they were threatening to kill you. Yeah, but they got really aggressive because they started telling me, listen, we know where your family lives in Venezuela. And all my family lives on there. And they said, we're going to kill them. We're going to kill them all. How close were you?

To what? Your family. Well, there are some people that I like, but, but. I mean, they weren't really. a lot of money. Like, I can get another cousin. Well, you know what's crazy? After I did my time, all my family is like, yeah, man, he ruined our lives. Now we kind of go anywhere. And I'm like, first of all, you weren't going anywhere anyways. And second of all, nobody went after you. They were after me, you know? So during that time, I have these guys calling me and calling me. And listen,

we need to, we need the money. We need the money. So at one point, they go, you need to come to Venezuela and face us, bro. You need to come here. We want to see you. We want to look at you in the and you have to tell us that you lost their money. And I'm like, shit, I got to do this. So I'm dating a girl at a time, and I tell her, listen, I'm going to go to Venezuela. And I'm going to, this is about 2000, I want to say like 2008. I'm going to go there.

And I'm going to call you as soon as I land. If I don't call you, they kill me. All right, she's all right, all right. So I show up in Venezuela. I have a couple of guys from the military. They used to score me out of the plane. Like, they will open the plane, and two military guys will come in and go to the air attendant, like a flight attendant. And I'll be sitting there, and they'll be like, do.

Hey, Juan Sanchez, can you please come to that? They were ready for you. So they will come in and they will score me out. And I kept telling them, dude, don't do that. I can't go. No, no, no, because, you know, we don't want you to go through costumes and we want to make sure, you know. I'm like, do that. I don't come with anything.

So I go there. The guys looked at me. They said, man, you're in the. deep shit, you need to give us our money. And we're going to hold you here until we get the money. I said, dude, if you hold me here, I cannot get you your money. I need to be in the States. That's where I make the money.

They said, well, you're going to have to figure out. You're going to have to call from here. You're going to have to figure out, but we're not letting you out. So they locked me in a hotel room in Caracas. And they have these guys watching me. And they're partying and they're calling these sloppy hookers that are going to their room and they're getting wasted and drinking. And I'm like, oh my God, man, I can't do this stuff.

Who are the guys? Military? I don't know. Well, I don't want to say military because in the United States, you say military, and he's the guy with a uniform and in shape. In Venezuela, when you say military, is the guy with a big belly, and he hasn't fired a gun in, like, 10 years. And, you know, so they could have been military.

They could have been, you know, farmers. Right. And so they're there and they're, you know, with these horrible hookers. And they're like, hey, listen, you want to come here. I'm like, no, no, no, I'm good. Thank you, man. So I'm trying to figure out, man, what to do, what to do. So I'm talking to the big guys the following day,

because they're doing this every night. And I'm trying to tell them, listen, the only way that I can recover your money is if you give me more money, because it takes money to make money. So what I got to do is I have to buy all these apartments that are now $40,000, and we're going to hold them until they go up again,

and they were kind of like evening out your losses, kind of like what people do right now with Bitcoin. You know, just keep buying. As it's going down, just keep buying. Buy the dip. Yeah. So I said, man, this is what we're going to do. We're going to buy a bunch of those apartments at 40,000.

And then, listen, I sold them to you at 300,000. I can sell them again at 300,000. Man, you'll make a bunch of money. They go, well, you know, we'll think about it. Man, I see that things are not happening. So I call this girl, Michelle, one day that these guys are drunk, the guys that are watching over me. And I said, babe, you need to get me on a plane. I need to get the fuck out of here.

These guys are going to kill me. They're not buying. in this hole it takes money to make money thing. I got to get out of here. So get me on the first plane out of here. I'm going to try to, you know, get my passport, and I'm going to get out of this room. So I pick up my passport, I get out of the room,

I go to the lobby, and I'm like running. I'm telling the guy in the lobby, get me a cap to the airport. Get me a cap to the airport. She buys a first class ticket for like $1,500 one way from Caracas to Miami. She tells me, listen, as soon as you get there, there is, you go to the counter,

give them your name, they're waiting for you. I said, well, I'm going to call you when we're taking off. If I don't call you, they cut up to me and they kill me. So I get on the plane, I land in Miami, they start calling me. Man, what the fuck? I'm like, listen, bro. I need to be in the United States.

I cannot recover your money, guys. I need your, listen, I need to work at here. Okay, well, this is what we're going to do. We're going to give you the money. But we need you to do some things for us. us. I said, all right, what's it going to be? We need to, we need you to buy some cars, and we need you to buy some diapers and some converse shoes and a couple of cell phones and an Xbox, and I'm like, all right. He's like, yeah, just give us a number. And I'm like, well,

you know, the two cars and the Xbox and the diapers and the stuff. Yeah, I don't know, man, $120,000. All right. So they will wire me this money and I will do all these things. But it gets annoying. I mean, there was a point that these guys will call me and say, like, hey, listen, we need 2,000 pairs of Levi's jeans and I'll be like, dude I don't have time for that shit, bro. I'm trying to like make a living here. So you're like,

they have you grocery shopping for them? Yeah, and they'll be like, well, if you don't give us a Levi's jeans, we're going to kill your family. I'm like, Jesus Christ, bro. You kidding me? So this keeps going on and on and on. Then at one point, I said,

listen, I can do this anymore. I'm like, dude, I can't do this anymore, bro. I mean, I keep losing your money and I cannot continue asking you for money because this hole is getting a little too deep. And they sent me a video.

So they are like, okay, listen, you don't want to work with us? You don't want to do what we tell you to do? You'll see. So they sent me this video, and the subject says, this is what's going to happen to you. And I opened the video. I only watch, like, probably like 10 seconds of the video. Because it's like, listen. I think you should have it here in concrete.

I'll find it. You guys will play it. Is it online? I could find it somewhere. Is it on YouTube? Yeah, I doubt. I thought. Maybe on Matt's true crime. Listen to what the video is.

So they go to this prison and they pay these inmates to make a circle and grab one of the inmates and take turns raping him. And a guy is filming this on a phone. And then they're yelling like, oh, this is what's going to happen to you. And they're raping him one after the other one after a lot of time. Of course, you know, I mean, it's not something that you grab popcorn. You're like, let me see how this shit ends. I watch like 10 seconds and I'm like, oh, my God. Fuck.

I can see this shit, you know. That was one of the videos. Then they sent me another video like two months later of a guy that is just driving on a motorcycle. He goes into a barber shop and goes to a guy and boom, boom, boom, boom. Just shots him. And then they are like, this is what's going to happen to you. And I'm like, dude, you got to stop killing people just to send me a message, you know?

I mean, you can just tell me I'm going to kill you and it's pretty scary. What happened to the inmate? Did the anime get killed too? Well, I never watched the whole thing, but the Feds did. And at some point, I'm talking to the Feds. and they tell me, listen, we're going to show you the video. You need to identify it. I said, I only seen like 10 seconds of the video.

They said, okay, if you see the first 10 seconds, would you recognize it? I said, I think I cannot miss it. So they show me the first 10 seconds, and sure enough, it's a circle, and I'm like, yeah, dude, that's a video. So there is three agents there and the prosecutor. And I said, you guys watch that video? And the prosecutor goes, no, no, no, no. And then I asked the agents, did you guys watch it?

And one of the agents goes, oh, I watched. And I said, how does it end? They said, well, it's not a love story. I mean, are the credits, like these movies dedicated to the memory of one? Yeah. Well, I guess they kill this guy and they chop him into pieces. Well, there's a who I want to meet is the guy that is on the phone. Like, move to the side.

All right. All right. There you go. Keep going. So they're filming this thing. Venezuela has one of the, one of the prisons. There's a prison in Venezuela that's a prison in Venezuela that's. the most violent prison like in the world.

Yeah. It's got the most murders. It's like every day there's a murder. So of course, I'm sitting here. I cannot tell my family this stuff. I'm stressing the fuck out. That's when I go. I said, I'm going to New York.

I got to disappear. I got to go. So I pack my stuff and I go to New York and I become an art salesman. And I start selling photographs for a photographer called Peter Lick. I don't know if you guys heard of him. Yeah. I don't know. That sounds familiar.

Yeah. He sells. He's the. He's the Matt Cox of photography. Oh, yeah. And the guy is brilliant, brilliant. And I start making a bunch of money, and I started living, you know,

a good life in New York, and real estate is behind me. But you're always on the run. And when you're on the run, man, you know, you know they're going to come for you. So 2012 comes around. It's almost five years. And I'm thinking, in six more months,

these guys cannot get me. Because back on those days, it was five years, a stature of limitation. Now they increased it to 10 years. Yeah. And I said, they cannot get me. And sure enough, April 30th, I, uh, I was dating this girl.

We had a fight on April 29th on Sunday. And I called her on Monday and I said, man, I'm going to take the day off. Why don't you come to my house, babe, and we get some sushi and, you know, we make out, we do our thing. All right, all right. Man, and I'm like planning everything. I have like the tables ready. I make my bed.

You know, I wash it. She's, I'm like ready. And she comes in, looks beautiful. She knocks the door. I kiss her. I'm like, listen, I got some sushi coming. So she sits on the couch and door, you know, I hear knocking the door. I open. There is the delivery guy, you know, gives me the sushi. I pay him. He leaves. And then I hear, and I'm like, man, who's banging the door like that?

So I tell my girlfriend, listen, what's wrong with this Chinese guy? I think I gave him a tip. I said, check this out. I opened the door. Ready to get on this guy. And I get two hands, pull me like this and pull me out of the apartment.

And there is like a line of cops up the stair, a line of cops down the stairs, and they're all like pointing guns at me and El Chapo Guzman, you know? And there's this guy with a picture of me, and he goes, you're Juan Sanchez, right? And I said, yeah. He goes, you're getting extradited to Florida.

We have a warrant for your arrest. and then the agent that had interviewed me four and a half years before comes around and he goes you thought I wasn't going to get you right and I said no no I knew you would the guy that walked out of the room yeah and I said all right all right so they sat me in I told them to let her go

and then the guy said you have drugs and I said no you have guns and I said no he said all right let's go so they took me to Brooklyn Detention Center and that's how my journey started it. Jesus Christ. I know, but I don't know if they did this to you, but I had this agent sitting next to me

as we're driving, and the guy's telling me like, we're going to give you 30 years. You're never going to see the light. We're going to fuck you over. Your life is, and I'm sitting there going, really, man. I'm in. How old were you at that point? I was 38. 38.

I was 38. So, you know, prison is a different, prison is a different world. And I think everybody goes through the same thing. It's just nobody has the balls to say it. But I always, like, when the new people came. to prison. I always told them, you just arrived. Yeah. Okay, your first year is your suicidal year. Every day you wake up trying to figure out how you're going to kill yourself. And you're like, plan it out. And you are like, okay, let me see. I can always take the blades and yeah,

that shit doesn't work because I've seen these guys do it. By the way, if you slits your wrist and you don't die, they take 54 days of good time. So you have to do more time. Self-nealation. You have to do more time. It's like you try to kill yourself. Yeah. And you weren't successful? No. All right. Now you've got to do more time. So I was like, okay, I could hang myself, but that's like a slow death. Then I learned through the inmates that it's not, it's like they got it down packed. And I was like, well, maybe I can take some pills. And that's the one year where you still think your girl is going to wait for you.

And everybody's going to wait for you and you're calling her and you're like, you know, you know, I don't know who you interview here, but the toughest gangsters, killers, hardcore killers. Matt will tell you on the phone, baby, I can do this without you. Then they'll hang up and they say, fucking bitch, man. Or worse, on Saturday morning, they're calling,

why didn't you answer the phone last night? The fuck were you doing? Yeah, that's the way to keep her. By the way, what is the show that they play on Saturday mornings? Oh, the infomercial? No, cheaters. Oh, cheaters.

You go to the TV room, everybody's watching cheaters. Show is over, everybody goes to the phone. Yeah. Where were you yesterday? Oh, my God. Yeah. That's sad.

I know it's horrendous. So you go through your suicidal year and then, you know, whoever's going to leave you is going to leave you. Whoever's going to stay is going to stay. And that, you know, that's kind of how I whitted out. Actually, the family that I was protecting, most of them left. I should have told these guys, you know what? Kill them.

Fuck them. Yeah. Let me get a life insurance policy first. They're not going to be there for me, so fuck them. You know? I'll give you their address. And so I get to Florida. How long do it take for you get to Florida?

It took me about three months. They do what's called Dyself Therapy. So they kind of drive you around the prisons. You know, they took me to Oklahoma, Atlanta, Tallahassee, and I finally made it to Miami. And I get to Miami, and my family's like, hey, we got your attorney. And I said, all right. So I meet the attorney. And, dude, if you think I have an accent, my attorney was like Ricky Ricardo.

He's like, welcome. I'm your attorney and I'm going to it. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I call my family and I'm like, dude, why did you guys hire this attorney? He goes, well, he speaks Spanish. I said, yeah, but I speak English. Yeah, but some of us don't. So we want to know what the attorney is saying.

So you hired him for you. I said, dude, I think I want the judge to know what the attorney is saying, you know? Yeah, exactly. So that's my attorney, and he will come see me every now and then, and he'll be like, hey, Juan, no te preoccupy. No te preoccupy. Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. All good.

And I will say, like, how much time am I looking at? Five years. I was like, five years? Five years? I was like, all right, I can do five. Five is no problem. Yeah, five years, five years. He comes to me, he goes.

All right. The Feds give you this, 18 years. I said, dude, what the fuck? What happened with the five years? He goes, it's not over. It's not over. We need you to sign this as a sign of good faith. And I said,

I didn't know that. Yeah, bro. Fucking cock sucker. And I said, why would I sign this as a sign of good faith? Because it shows that you are, you know, that you're willing to work with them. I said, I took the pen, man.

And I remember I was crying, and I said, listen, man, I'm signing my life. I have two kids. Probably older than you two. That attorney doesn't care. And I said, man, I'm signing my life away. So I signed my 18 years. Sure enough, I go to my 18 years, bro. 18 years, like that song.

And I get sentenced 15 years. Oh, it's a bargain. Yeah. So he's like, don't worry. I have a defense for you. I have a good argument for you. I said, all right. So we go in front of the judge.

And the prosecutor gets up and he's like, listen, this guy's a piece of shed. He ran away to New York and whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And listen, he's just, we have to lock him up. I said, well, my attorney's going to get up and he's going to pull some kind of, you know, the Chubaca defense, like South Park. Yeah, yeah. And he gets up and he goes, my client is a good person. He's a good father. He's a good citizen.

We think 18 years is too much. I said, dude, that's it? he goes, yeah. I said, the judge goes, do you want to say something? I'm like, shit, yeah? So I got up and I started talking to him. And the judge said, man, listen, I'm not going to give you 18 years. But I'm not going to give you five years.

He said, I'm going to give you 15 years, 180 months. And my attorney goes, we didn't do that bad. I said, we didn't do that bad? We? We? I said, dude, I'm going to do 15 fucking years. he goes, I'll come see you tomorrow. Well, he never came to see me again.

So I go to my prison. You know, I go. How much do you pay this guy? Yeah. My family paid him like $50,000. And it was the money that I had left, like, in case of emergency, break the glass kind of thing. Because the feds are taking everything, you know? Oh, listen.

It's a license to steal. It is a license. Like being an attorney, license to steal. You get people their most vulnerable. They believe everything you say, and they can blatantly just lie to you. And they know once you sign that document, you're done. They're going to take you away and you'll be filing paperwork. But in the end, there's nothing you can do.

And I have your money. And I don't even have the answer your calls anymore. It's horrible. Do you ever think about what would have happened if you wouldn't have signed that document? Oh my God. I know what would have happened if I wouldn't have signed that document. I would have gotten like seven years. I wouldn't have been five.

But it's not, listen, it's not over. How would that have worked? It's not over. So I go to prison with my 15 years, you know. Meet me. Matt Cox, the rep of the Frotsters. The highlight of his entire bid. Yeah, it was a long time, but I met Matt.

I have a friend of mine, and, okay, so his girlfriend claims that he has a man crush on me. But I have a friend of mine who says that I have a man crush on him. So when I come here, she's like, oh, yeah, look at you. to dress up because you're going to go to Matt, see Matt, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like, listen, you know, I have a lot of professional respect for Matt. And she goes, dude, he's a fucking criminal and so are you. That's not a profession. And I said, but among the profession.

She's an attorney, too, by the way. She's an attorney, by the way, yeah. Nice. I said, among the profession, there is levels, you know. It's like the drug business, you know, the guy that sells crack in the corner, it's not the same as El Chapo. You know, Matt is El Chapo of mortgage. Wow.

The El Chapo of mortgage. I hope that catches on it. I want to see that in the comments section. That should be the title. The title. El Chapo, the mortgage. We're going to put it on you.

We're put on you, bro. Nice. And that's how you get leadership role in an indictment fellow. Two points. So I go to Colman, and then I get this,

one day somebody tells me, listen, you are packing out. You're going to Miami. And everybody's like, oh, dude, you are going to get another indictment. You're going to get superseded, more time. And I'm like, shit.

So I get down to Miami and they said, listen, we have some people that are talking about you. Can I say something first? Yeah. So I remember when we met and he said he had 15 years and I was like, I was like, bro, I mean, is there anything you can do about that? Like, I mean, tell me you're cooperated. Tell me you're working on that. And he's like, no, I don't know. I mean, you know, he's not really sure what.

He's like, I don't know. And I'm going, you need to do something. Like I'm saying, do the right thing. You need to work on. Like, no, my attorney, your attorney sold you out. Like I have, you know, prior dealing with attorneys, you hold them like really high regard. After going through the feds and dealing with four or five different attorneys that I've had, bottom the barrel. I have way more respect for drug dealers.

Oh, my God. Than I do attorneys. There is no, there is no ethics. Now, he also had a little issue with the fact that I had 15 years. Oh, yeah. And 39 million dollars. I owe the federal government $33.5 million. He got 26 years.

Like $6 million. And he owes $6 million. That's not. There's no way that's right. So I'm like, listen, dude, I got 39,000 and I got half your time. He took off too. He was on the run. He was on the run?

I went to New York. That's on the run. I never left the South. So I go down to Miami and they tell me, listen, there's some Venezuelan people talking about you. And I said, in the prison? Were they saying, yeah. Were they saying good things? And I'm like, what do you mean?

And they're like, well, you know, apparently there is a guy in here and he's saying that he invested a bunch of money in the United States and it all ended in your account. Uh-oh. And I'm like, oh, shit. And they're like, listen, you need to get an attorney. And I'm thinking, I'm not calling Ricky Ricardo. He's going to get like 100 years. I said, fuck. So I talked to my friend Keith.

And I'm like Keith, man. I mean, he's like, dude, I did Medicare fraud, and I only got like four years. And my attorney is like a badass guy. I met him a couple days ago. Super cool guy. His name is Paul Petrucci. I said, all right, give me his number. So I called Paul, and he shows up to the prison.

And he goes, Juan Sanchez? I said, yeah. He says, I know who you are. I said, because of my fraud case? He goes, no. People are talking about you. I said, really? And he goes, yeah.

Do you know anybody in Venezuela? I said, well, I got family and friends. He goes, no, no, no, no. Hold on one second. He takes me out. He goes to the guard. They bring out a guy that I used to do business with in Venezuela, with this whole money thing.

And he goes, oh, my God, you are here. And I said, yeah, what are you doing here? He goes, well, I got arrested. And I said, for fraud? And he goes, no, money laundering. and I told them about you and I said about me I didn't launder any money

he goes you didn't I said no he goes but you did it all falls under money lottery it all falls on money longer and I was like oh my really and he goes yeah and you are the guy that knows where the money ended

so you need to talk oh fuck so this guy tried to use you to get time off a sentence of course everybody's it's fraud that's how the game works so I'm like okay so I talked to the attorney poll and Paul's like, okay, man, listen, you know the guys that are looking for these guys, you are the guy that can do this thing, you got the

emails, you have everything. I said, how much is it? He goes, $45,000. Paul wants $45,000 to represent him on a case where he's going to be the main cooperating witness to hope, in the hope that he gets a sentence. That I get a sentence without.

Everybody's already, people are already turning on each other left and right. So it's like if you try and stand strong like, well, I'm not going to. Well, then you just do your fucking time. Yeah. Or more, because these guys could set up something where everything falls on me. Oh, yeah.

He could get re-indicted. Yeah. So I'm sitting there going, okay, $45,000. I say, fuck, bro. Listen, man, I don't have the money. And he goes, you don't? I say, no, man. He goes, all right.

I'll see you in 15 years. I'm like, listen, bro. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, I'm a great salesperson, man. I can sell the shit all of your service when I get out. I'll pack your office. He goes, yeah, no. He goes, no, no, no, I need $45,000.

I said, dude, come on, bro, hook me up. He goes, well, give me 10%. Give me 10,000. And I'll get you started. I said, all right, let me figure it out. So I go upstairs and I tell Keith, bro, your attorney wants $45,000. He goes, okay, pay it. He's worth it.

I said, I don't have it, bro. I don't have the $10,000. He goes, well, this is what you need to do. You need to pray. I said, okay, and I'm going to, gonna pray and then tomorrow morning the 10 grand are gonna be on my locker he goes maybe i don't know i said all right i mean it's give it a try what the fuck am i gonna do so i go to my cell and i start praying and i'm like man i just i just i know i'm not going to get the money but give me guidance

you know man and the next morning i go i got it so i emailed my ex-sister-in-law and i goes i go i need you to send me the list of all my facebook friends she sends me the list and i start whitting them out okay this guy sucks this guy sucks this guy I scam this guy I scam this guy I scam this guy blah blah blah and I live like I don't know 200 people and I post I'm gonna send you those posts so you have them okay I post are they online right now yeah they're on my Facebook page can you pull up Facebook all right go ahead and I posted something in March of 2013 and it says dear friends and family I know you haven't heard from me in a year but it's because I was indicted and I'm sir and I just got a 15 year sentence and doing this time I have lost friends. I have lost family. I lost all the money I have. But I've been holding on to the only thing that I could. And today, I'm surrendering it to you, which is my ego and my dignity. I need to ask you for help. My attorney is $45,000. I need to come up with $10,000. I don't have it.

Listen, if you can help me with money, I promise I'll pay you back. If you can, prayers are welcome. You know, I love you. God bless you, whatever. Dude, that shit went back. viral. Like, people are putting $20 here, $15. I didn't know how crazy it went until actually a couple weeks ago that I'm reading my post and I realized, first of all, I kept a journal in prison and I didn't know because I was posting stuff every week. And second of all, men, people were doing garage sales. Like, this weekend is going to be a garage sale for Juan's attorneys. Wow. Yeah, and bake sales. And so Paul comes into the jail and he gets me down one day and he goes, listen, bro, I don't know what the fact you're doing, but I cannot be getting checks for five and ten and

$15 into the office, man. So people are mailing this guy checks? Yeah. So he had to open a PayPal account. So people could PayPal him $15, $20. And I paid $45,000 on attorney's fees through Facebook, bro. Nice. How long did that take?

A couple months, not a lot. That's great. And I had guys like organizing it. And they had like, we reach the first goal, which is $10,000. Now we got to go for the other 10. And I had Mindy, my ex-sister-in-law, like, you know, organizing stuff. off and I had my friend Mario who's like my brother in Spanish. Like, listen, if you're a Spanish donor, talk to Mario.

If you're an American donor, talk to Mindy. And I had this whole thing set up. And they paid my attorney, man. So social media works. That's awesome. And back of those days, there was no Kickstarter or, you know, it was like, GoFund me or whatever. Go fund me. It was old school.

So they pay Paul and Paul starts working on it. And sure enough, the video comes up again. And I said, listen, Paul, they showed me this video. they send me this video and he goes is it on your email I said yeah the guy getting chopped up and in prison yeah so now the feds are coming to see him

now the feds are coming to see him now the feds correct right now they're coming to interview him Paul tells me I found the guy that is prosecuting these Venezuelans and he wants to talk to you and I said okay he goes you are a very smart guy

I'm not going to be there because I don't need to be there because you can talk your way around this thing I said right that's fine he goes but these are very important people so the week later they get me downstairs I walked into a room and there is a bunch of people

on suits and one of the guy goes whatever whatever D-A I'm like nice meeting you and then somebody always goes whatever whatever FBI I said nice meeting you and then whatever whatever NSA I said nice meeting you or whatever

HSI I'm not nice meeting you and I said my name is Juan Sanchez FBOP and they're like oh my God this guy is so funny so the prosecutor comes in and he goes you know what this guy said? He said his one Sanchez, F-B-O-P!

And the guy said, oh, my God. So we're talking, and... That's great. And the guy says, listen, do you have any, anything, any paper trail of these guys? And I said, yeah, give me my lacto,

get me my cell phone. And I'll get you everything you need. They gave me my cell phone, man. Because I was arrested, these guys couldn't get a whole of me for like three months until the service got disconnected. I had about 580 messages.

We're going to kill you. You're going to die, motherfucker. And I'm telling the prosecutor, just listen to the messages, bro. I don't have to give you anything else. And he's like, dude, this is really bad. He says, listen, are you willing to cooperate? Because if you cooperate, they are going to kill you. So, let me call my kids.

So I call my kids. And I said, listen, kids, this is where I'm at. Can we do this? Can we not do this? Should I do this? Should I not do? They said that. We want you home.

We want you home. Do what you got to do. So he said, if you cooperate, the Venezuelans are going to kill you. Did he mean they're going to kill you? while you're in prison or once you get out? Well, it happened while I was in prison. And I'll tell you that my last six months I spent on solitary confinement, which I don't think Matt knows this.

You didn't mention the last six months, but it was... So... They put them in an ice facility. Okay, well, it's filled with Venezuelans, with people from South America. Look, he'll explain, but basically they were... The government was trying to say, let's send them back. You send me back.

I cooperated against these... guys, they'll kill me. Send them back. I mean, yeah, I had an interview with eyes and they were like, but are they going to kill you anywhere in Venezuela? Is there anywhere that you feel safe in Venezuela? I'm like, dude, Venezuela is a country about this big. Yeah, it's like then, are they going to kill you in Tampa? Anywhere? Do you feel safe anywhere in Tampa? How about by the river? Good. They're going to kill me, man. Period. Especially because one of the guys, the main guy on the investigation, the prosecutor goes, okay, this is great. You are great. You are great. You are great witness. You're not a drug guy. You never

dealt with drugs. You didn't know you were laundering money. So you are really like a victim of these guys that are extorting you. They're trying to kill you. I mean, this is phenomenal. But we cannot do anything with this thing because there is no extradition from Venezuela. So we can indict them, but they're going to stay there and that's it. And I said, man, that sucks.

And then the prosecutor goes, unless you have a way to get him out. Get him out of Venezuela. Yeah. I said, well, I said I have some some alternatives he said okay give it give them to us I said well my first choice will be let me out and let me work outside you know use the phones kind of they're like no okay

like use yourself as bait kind of like yeah but I would have gone to the Bahamas and that's it you know and they're like no no no that's not going to happen and I said well there is this one guy that applied for a visa to come to the United States and you guys denied the visa. You told him, no, you cannot come to the United States because you are PNG, persona non-grata. I said, I guarantee you if you call that guy and you tell him that it was a mistake,

he'll be here on the next flight. The prosecutor goes. Because he wanted to come here with his family. He had been asking you to help get him here, right? He's been telling me like, man, man, they denied my visa, help me out or I'm going to kill you. That's why he knows. Right. So I'm like, so the prosecutor goes, let me see if we can do that. And that was the end of that. We never met again. I didn't know what happened. All right. So I go back to my prison, months go by. And I'm telling my attorney, dude, what the fuck? We had a meeting with these guys.

I feel like the girl that you took to prom, you fucked me. No more calls? My prosecutors are brought. I'm sorry, my attorney is like, listen, if these guys don't leave Venezuela, there's nothing they're going to give you, bro. We need these guys here. All right. Man, one day they take me downstairs to go to medical.

and I'm handcuffed and I'm standing in line and there is a guard reading names. Smith, Jones, whatever. And she says, this guy last name, the Venezuelan politician. And I'm like, what the fuck? So I look around and I see this guy walks by me.

He doesn't recognize me. And I start going like, oh my God, I'm my God, so the guard's like, dude, what's wrong with you? You got to pee? And I'm like, no, I don't got to pee. I got to get the fuck out of here. I got to go upstairs. I go upstairs.

I call my attorney. I tell him, do you have any news for me? He goes, no. I said, well, I got news for you. He goes, what? He goes, I go, they arrested this guy. He goes, well, I need you to hang up the phone and call me back in half an hour. I hang up the phone.

I call him in half an hour. And he goes, pack your shit. You're going back to Coleman. So I pack my stuff and I meet Matt again. Matt's like, what happened, dude? I said, man. Oh, my. I talked.

And then I'm telling him this story and the whole thing. And a couple of days later, Later, I'm on the Miami Herald. Boom, front page. And there's this guy saying, they lured me into the United States. They told me I was going to come for a tourism. And I had my family with Disney shirts on.

So this guy, they call him, and they told him, your visa is approved. It was a mistake. He went home. He told his wife and his kids, get dressed. We're going to Disney. Holy shit.

They fly in, Disney shirts, hats. the whole thing. The whole shebang. Get off the plane. You're under arrest. Classic. The guy flips, talks a lot. He did 36 months in prison.

Smart guy. And you understand that the money that they were laundering, that they were sending him to buy all the properties was cartel money from the Seniloa cartel. They were laundering. The Venezuelan government was laundering drug money through him. Then, of course, he lost. But regardless, that's all money laundering. All these things are coming up.

But he didn't know that. Right, right, obviously. And that's the problem. You're buying Levi's and fucking apartment buildings. I go to Venezuela one day and these guys like this and you need a car to drive around? I'm like, well, I'll take one. He goes, yeah, drive this car around. So I'm driving the car around.

I'm in Coleman. This Colombian drug lord comes in and he goes, oh, you are Juan. And I say, yeah. He goes, dude, remember that million dollars that went through your account? He goes, that was my money. I said, oh, shit. I said, yeah. You know, remember when they kidnapped you?

was my money. I said, oh, all right. You know, I mean, this brought no hard feelings, you know. Shit. It's like, yeah, shit happens. Don't worry about it. So I'm talking to him and I said, man, I remember I went to Venezuela and they gave me this car to drive. He goes, that was my fucking car. And I said, dude, I was driving your car? He goes, yeah. Wow. I said, man, that's fucked up. They would have think, they would have thought that I was him. They could have killed me. So it was reckless. It was a disaster. And then I will tell Matt all the time like, hey, listen, that's my kidnapper right there. Let me go. go say hi to him.

Oh, my. It's hired the guys to hold him until he came up with the money that he couldn't come up with. Yeah, he didn't come up with. That's just stupidity. It's gone. You know, the money's gone.

So I go back to Coleman and then one day they packed me up and they sent me to a penitentiary. USB Thompson. In Thompson, Illinois. I go there, I do 10 months in a pen. Now it's 2018. And my attorney calls me

six years. later, he goes, the government is ready to give you a sentence reduction. Six years. You are coming back to Miami. So I'm like, fuck, I go to my attorney. I say, listen, bro, he's like, we're going to ask for time serve. Perfect. I call my kids, girls, you need to be in the courthouse, June 15th, take clothes.

I want a fucking Big Mac. I'm walking out. My girls go down there. My friends are down there. I go to the court. Man, there is my attorney. There is the prosecutor from the Venezuelan case who is now retired. There is my prosecutor who hates me because I destroy the value of his real estate property and the judge.

And the prosecutor gets up and he's like, your honor, Mr. Sanchez cooperated and he was a key player for this thing. But he's a piece of shit and he shouldn't get anything because we're not going to set an example of people like that. He didn't only scam the government and he didn't only scam a bunch of people. but now we find out that he'll lend their money and we're going to reward him for this shit, he should have gotten more time. And I'm sitting there going. And he's a womanizer

and he fucked every woman that he ever work with and he will hire these women just to fuck him. And my kids are sitting there like, and Jesus. And I'm sitting there going and my attorney's like, so then this other prosecutor gets up and he's like, I don't know.

I don't know if he fucked women or he didn't fuck women. all I know is that this guy opened the largest drug investigation in the Western Hemisphere with the paperwork that he provided. That's all we know.

Whether he fought women, they didn't fight women, that's beyond or, you know, but we do recommend that he gets a reduction. So my attorney got up and spoke, and then the judge looked at me and he said, you know what? You're going to do two more years. So my girls broke down crying,

I was super pissed, and I ended up going back to Miami and then from there they decided to put me in an all immigrant's prison so I walk in and it's all Venezuelans and Mexicans and I'm like, oh my shit

and I'm calling my kids and they're like Dad, are you safe? I'm like yeah they don't know who I am they don't know who I am so everybody kept asking me like why are you here? I'm like listen I grew up here I never lived in Venezuela I don't know anybody so I'm hiding the shit until eventually

somebody walked in and said you know who that guy is that's the guy that opened the investigation of the Venezuelan government and that's the guy so all the Venezuelans on the compound get together and one day I'm walking out of the library

doing paperwork because I was doing legal paperwork for everybody oh you were doing the same so that's... Oh my goodness Matt Cox move? Yeah, there's the hustle, you know? When you go to prison you can either suck dick for money,

clean rooms for money and do legal paperwork for money you know if I didn't know how to do legal paperwork I guess I would have cleaned and then suck dig, but I went for the legal stuff. So, dude, I walked in, I see all the Venezuelans waiting for me, and I'm like, all right, you know, like, I guess we're going to have a little meeting. And as soon as they're coming to me, yeah, yeah, Kumba, yeah. The guards walk in and they're like, Sanchez, right?

Yeah, we packed your shed. You're going to the shoe. I said, why? They said, investigation. and I spent from January to June six months in solitary because of these fuckers but they had already passed the word out that I was the guy that started the investigation

and somebody Googled me and they found me and yeah it became a bit of a disaster so was the shoe you were by yourself most of the time I was by myself because Matt said that he was in there with multiple people right you can't like they'll have bunk beds you can be by yourself but after a certain

period of time that they'll knock on the well in coleman they'd knock on they'd be like hey you want to sell it and be like yeah get somebody in here like it's been it's been two weeks remember they didn't know who the guy was going to be with me so they're like okay we bring a guy to his cell he may kill him him he'll be somebody that is after him you know what i mean let's let's keep him around by himself right so i was by myself for six months which kind of does a number on your psyche when you get out you know i'm still a little edgy on some things and then i finished in june and ice came and said, okay, now you're going to immigration. So I've done all this time.

I've done six months in the shoe. Ice picks me up. Now I'm no longer an inmate. I'm a detainee. Which means you cannot handcuff me in the back. You have to handcuff me in the front. You cannot strip search me. I don't have good time to lose.

So I walk into this new detention center and I go to the garden. What's the story here? He goes, pick any cell where you want to leave. I said, what a second? I get to choose where I want to leave? He goes, yeah. I said, how about disciplinary sanctions? He goes, I mean, you can lose your phone, but because of COVID,

which, by the way, I didn't know there was COVID until I got out of the shoe. This was June already. People were dying. And because of COVID, we cannot take your phone privileges. I said, so I can do whatever the fuck I want and you guys cannot do anything to me. And they were like, no. I said, perfect. I love it.

So my six months of the shoe, I made it up on those six months of ice, insulting people. I burned the microwaves. I short-circuit all the dogs. I mean, it was insane. And then the warden will come to me and say, listen, Sanchez, what do you want? I want chicken. We want chicken. They were like, dude, we'll get you chicken.

So I will get like chicken on Wednesday instead of Thursday. And all these Hispanics were like, you're the hero, you know. We now want Teletumundo. I got Telemundo. Don't worry, guys. So I will start some kind of riot for Telemundo. I was insane. I was out of control.

And December 18th, I used to fight with all the guards. And you become very, which kind of sucks to say it, but you become very racial when you're in immigration. Because you have these guards that look at you, like you're an immigrant

and you should be kicked out. You know, and you're the immigrant going, listen, man, you are a racist piece of shit. Yeah. So the terms of endearment between me and the guards were not exactly, you know, politically correct. Right. All right. Or either way, you know.

So I'm yelling on a guard on the wreckyard and I'm like, man, you motherfucker, blah, blah, blah. You think I'm a fucking Mexican. I'm not a Mexican. I speak English. I grew up here. Because the guards will insult people in English thinking they didn't understand. Oh, really? Yeah.

And then one of the detainees comes to me and goes, hey, listen, ICE is looking for you outside. and I go to the tinia and say, listen, tell that motherfucker. If he wants to talk to me, he has to come here. He goes in, he comes right back out. He says he wants to talk to you. I said, well, I'm here. All right. He goes back in.

He comes back out. He says, you have two minutes, bro, to talk to him or he's leaving. I said to the guard, man, don't go anywhere because I'm not done with you. I go in there, and the guy from eyes looks at me and goes, oh shit, is you? And I said, yeah. He goes, man. He says, here, boom.

You're getting released. I said, man, shut the fuck up. He goes, read it. You're the law guy. Read it. I read it. I go, man, I'm getting released. He goes, yeah, you're getting released.

I don't know when. I said, bro, if you're pulling my leg, you know I'm fucking crazy. I'm going to burn this shit down. No, no, no, don't worry about it. He goes, believe me, I want you out. We all want you out. I've tried to get you out today. I sign my papers.

One day goes by, another day goes by. It's December 22nd. Man, I'm still in there. I start, when you're an inmate, I don't know if you ever did this in a cell. When you're an inmate, you bang on the doors. You don't use your hands. You ball kick.

Bang, gong, gong, gong. Back of your leg. So, yeah, the back of your leg because that makes, it's loud, bro. So I start banging, gang, gang, gang, gong. The guy from ice comes. Dude, what the fuck is your problem.

I said, man, you told me I was living. It's December 22nd. Why am I still here? He goes, man, for security reasons, I cannot tell you when you're leaving. But I'm going to give you my opinion, just to give you my back. My opinion is tomorrow by 10 a.m. I said, all right. He goes, all right.

He lives? Man, I said, I'm living tomorrow. So I didn't tell my daughters. I just showed up at their house. I had a friend pick me up. I walked out with my great shirt, my great sweats, and my, you know, I don't know, what do you call those? You have the video. Yeah.

He can give you the video. Really? I show up at my daughter's house December 23rd, man, after eight and a half years. And they went bonkers. Yeah. That's incredible. And then I started this second phase of the journey, which is I don't have a work permit. I don't have a driver license.

but I volunteer in a law firm because I used to do so much legal paperwork. This attorney told me, listen, why don't you come work for me? Is this the video? This is funny. That's my oldest daughter. She has a dog in the house.

Oh, so you... The daughters, they just start bawling crying. Listen. I almost stop, because this goes on for five more minutes. She's hysterical. She can't stop crying. we had two days before what was that like that's awesome well

weird because you walk out of prison numbed like people feel but you don't feel so it's like people get sad but you don't get sad you know you are so used to seeing pain and hurting and all you know that

like people who watch that video and they go man why aren't you that more emotional I'm like I don't know it was so real you know you're out there and you're like man this is I don't I don't understand interchangeable too.

Like you have to understand. I can be best friends with you. Like you're the coolest guy. And then one day you're on the placout. You're gone. I never hear from you again. So I start talking to you. And then two months later,

you're gone. Somebody else comes in. He's cool. He's gone three months. Somebody else. So you have these people that you have to understand. You're cool with, but you don't even get to like miss them.

They're like gone. They're just, imagine if every six months or three months or a year, your wife dies or your, or your buddy dies or your best friend dies. It's just gone. And you're like, so you get to that point where you become,

you're cool, I like hanging out with you, but you're a stick of furniture. Yeah. You're just interchained, like you'll be gone. So you don't allow yourself to get that connection anymore. And you just become,

listen, it turns you into a psychopath. If you weren't going in, you are coming out. Yeah. And the problem is, man, now I'm sorry, dealing with a bunch of stuff.

Like, we were talking about the other day, we have similar. If you do fraud at the scale that I used to do it, you have issues. You have issues of, you're a sociopath. Because people ask me, did you ever feel bad about scamming these people? And I'm like, no, it actually felt pretty good. It actually, you know, the fact that you go to battle and you win the battle every time, that's freaking amazing. But when people look at you, well, the problem is the guy that lost the battle, the battle, it's now fucked out of money.

And you're like, well, but you don't think about that because the money, money becomes irrelevant. You know, there is a point where a million, $2 million, $5,000, $600,000, $20, $30, that's not why you do it. You do it because it's a fix. You're a little sick in the head. So now I get out

and I have to be on the other extreme of the spectrum. So the other day, I can't believe I'm going to tell this story. The other day I go to a supermarket, man. And the cashier goes, hey, you need a mask. I said, dude, do you have a mask? Was this in Florida? Yeah. And I'm like, in Orlando.

And I'm like, that's fine. They usually give you a mask. You know, I said, well, do you have a mask? And he goes, well, we are now selling them for $1.50. I said, are you fucking kidding me, dude? I come here all the time. And you always give me a mask. Yeah, we now sell them for $1.50.

I said, you know what, give me the fucking mask. Here's the $1.50. So as I'm walking out, the manager, is standing out and I said, decent, bro. I come here every day. I buy lunch. I buy my groceries here. This guy charged me $1.50 per mask, and I had to get three masks

just to prove a point. So the guy goes, oh, shit, man, that's wrong. You know, we're going to give you a $4.50 credit. All right. So I walk out and I'm like, man, I scored. I did it. You know? So I go to Maria,

who is the attorney that I work with, and I tell her, man, you know what happened? I fucked these people. I came in there. I told them I got one mask, but then I told them three masks, and it was $4.50, and I got $4.50. And she goes, all right,

I'm going to drive you right back. You're going to give them back the $3. Why am I going to give them back the $3 if I scored them? They fucked me out of money. She goes, yes, but you cannot fuck people out of money just because they fuck you out of money, because you are not normal. You see?

You don't know the difference between $3, and a million. So if you get away with that one, the next one, it could be $100,000. So you've got to go back and give this guy his $3 back. So I had to walk in there like a $5 year old like,

I'm sorry. I like, I like, I love you. Did she walk you in there, hold your hand, walk you in there? Let me tell you, she does this shit all the time. Like I run things by her

and she'll be like, listen, let's talk about this. Okay. What happens to these people that you're going to do this? Well, they may get fucked or they may not get fucked. Okay, that is a problem. And we're not doing that right now because you're on probation.

Okay, I guess I won't do that anymore. See, to me, it's funny he says that because I'm actually the opposite. Like, I went to Dunkin' Donuts the other day. I handed them, I handed them like $20. The girl counts out the money and she gave me back like $25. Plus some change. And I went, no, no, you. you, you gave me $10 too much.

It was, I gave you a 20. And she's like, no, no, I gave you this. I went, no. No, you gave me, I give you a 20. You just gave me 25 or 26 and 12 cents. My coffee and my thing that was this. And she's like, no, no, she goes and gets her manager. Manager comes back.

They look in the thing. And I'm sitting there in the line. And they're going, no, no, it's right. And I go, ma'am, I said, I assure you, I didn't give you. And I open my wallet. But I only have 20s. I didn't give you 30. I go, you gave me too much money.

Now, I said, I'll leave. I'm good. She goes, hold on. She opens a register. She looks at it. She goes, yeah, you're right. You gave him an extra. Here's a free coffee.

Here's a gift card. No, I just gave her the money back and I was like, you know, and I drove and I left. But I mean, that's like, how did that make you feel, Matt Cox? You know what? And it seems silly. It doesn't make me feel. It didn't make me feel any way at all because I just, here's the problem. It's like, it's constantly.

Like people contacting me about fraud. You could do, I could do this. I could do this. And it's like, no, no, no, no. You know, it doesn't matter. Like, there was a long time ago I would have been like, how can I use this guy? But now I'm like, you don't understand. They're looking for a reason for me to fuck up.

I do one thing. I get in front of the judge. I'm done. I can never be in front of him. Like, there's silly things the other day. The cameras. Oh, the cameras the other day. Literally, this is what happened.

So I order these cameras, right? Like I have a buddy who bought cameras for me. Keep talking, I got to pee. Okay, so I had a buddy who bought cameras for me. I get the cameras. Amazon says you have to be there on Saturday to get the camera. You have to sign for them. Okay.

So on Friday, I got another package. I go out. I get my package. I go to open my box. I look down. There's three little boxes just sitting under. my box at the apartment complex and I went that's weird yeah look down sure enough there for me and I went huh and so I pick them up go back to my house open up the boxes hey this is cameras

like they first they said to be here Saturday it came a day early how many did you order three of them okay um and now I have to make payments to my buddy like I don't even have the money to buy the cameras you know this this ain't cheap yeah so I was like oh cool and of course my And I thought, yeah, I was supposed to sign for these. Nobody even signed for these. These are expensive. What if someone took them? And my first thought was,

opportunity. Like, I could, I'll never sign for them. Right. So I can just call. Yeah, you got three free cameras. Right. But you see, let me stop you there for a second. That's what my friends tell me, that thought is not normal.

Isn't it funny? Because that's my first thought. So it's mine. How do I get over on? How do I use this to my advantage? That is not normal. Right. I am told.

I think it's perfectly normal. See, what's funny is, I think, It's perfectly. My first thought is how do I use this in my advantage? Correct. So the first thing I do is I call my buddy and go, boom, and I explain it to him. And I said, opportunity. And he goes, yeah, yeah.

He goes, so what do you want to do? I said, well, here's what I'm thinking. And then I went. And so I talked to him for a couple of minutes and I hang up. And then I start thinking, if I say I didn't get them, like, they're not going to look into it. They're just going to give me more cameras. I'll get more cameras. I'll sell them.

That'll pay for almost a whole cameras, even if I discount them, whatever. And then I was like, and I thought, if they even punch my name in the computer and they see who I am, they may actually look into it. Like at this point, they're going to be like, look, if we can get anybody, we can get this guy. Yeah. He can't even mount the defense. So for sure. And then I go back and I think, what if there's a camera? What if they look at the camera?

My buddy's going, they're not going to look at the camera. What if it's a setup? Right. Well, it's not even a setup, but I'm like, they look at the camera. And he's like, it's not enough money for him to. And you're right. If it wasn't me, it would, but it is me. Yeah.

And all they, it's a, it's a couple of phone calls. And I'm in front of the judge trying to explain why I lied. And oh, we have, we have surveillance. And it's like, and listen, the judge, and then the judge yanks, you know, he yanks me up and says, you know what, I'm going to give you five years just on probation. There's going to violate your probation and give you a whole new five years. And even though we can't do that, it'll take you at least two or three years to try and unravel it and fix it in the court. Like, he'll be furious.

I was like, what do you do? Like, I'm so far on the other end of the... I'm so scared. Like, I'm so terrified. Yeah. But, you know, but you're right. My first thought is always... Free cameras.

How do I this? How do I do that? How can I this? Remember the lessons that you put on your little kit in the drug program. I broke that, all that... Criminal thinking errors. It's all criminal thinking, but I've taken that, most of those. I've placed them in a box.

I've closed a box and I've placed them. on the shelf. It's there. I know it's there. At a later date. Right. But it's not really actively available. So, yeah. But I'll tell you some interesting facts about a prison that you guys, I know people

that watch these podcasts, they, you know, they want to hear the crime and they want to hear the stuff, but they also want to hear like, like, orange is the new black. It's really like that. Yeah. And there is a level of insanity in prison that I didn't know existed until I started reading my Facebook post. because I was writing every week what was going on. And some days I was super sad and some day I was super happy.

But I remember one day I'm going into education and I'm like, let me see what classes these guys are teaching. This is a prison. So they're teaching scuba diving. Okay, it's one of the classes. Sailing is another one of the classes and see navigation. Now, we don't have any body of water anywhere in this prison except the toilets. They are teaching CDL license. how to drive a truck, but there is no trucks to drive.

And then that real estate investment. Bingo. And credit management. Wait, wait, wait. What about the, what's it when you grow plants? Horticulture. Horticulture. Horticulture.

So. Oh, we got to. It's okay. Just do it. We can keep going. So I'm thinking, okay, who's teaching C navigation? And they tell me, well, is this guy that used to transport kilos of cocaine? drug smuggler.

From the Bahamas. I'm okay. Nice. And who's teaching the truck driving class? Well, is this guy that got caught with a bunch of kilos of heroin and the truck? I said, all right. And who's teaching real estate? Well, Matt Cox.

I'm like, oh, that's fantastic. Well, I might as well teach the credit class. I got it. So I remember riding home going, this is insane. Who decides to teach scuba diving? And by the way, these classes were packed. And there was no tank. no regulator.

These guys are just telling you, like, listen, this is how you do it. Yeah, yeah. And people are taking notes on this stuff, and it was just, it was just insane. Then you get these gangsters knitting and making sweaters and making stuff of animals. They're making teddy bears.

And you hear him talking like, hey, listen, motherfucker, that knot's too tight, man. That's not too tight. And you're like, what are you talking about? And they're like, yeah, they are, and they pulled it out of the guy. And the guy's, man, I'm going to kick your ass. And I was like, this is, this is something is, something is off in here.

Oh, you go to commissary and you'll hear the guy going. What? There is no strawberry ice cream this week. That's fucked up, man. And I remember telling people, was that part of your sentence? I mean, did the judge tell you like, listen, you're going to get strawberry ice cream every week. If you don't call me. Yeah, yeah.

I'll take care of that. So it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very weird. At the medium, there was a guy who he was like 17, 18 years old in Columbia. He had murdered like 15 or 20 people and for like Pablo Escobar. And, um, the feds at some point picked him up and he got a life sentence. And he was the, he was the altar boy or deacon or whatever you, for the Catholic mass at the, at the medium had killed. like 15 or 20 people. Well, nice guy. The guy that was teaching parenting was, remember the Spanish guy who was doing life and who was teaching parenting. Wow. Yeah.

What the hell. So it was, it's insanity. It's insanity. You mentioned that when you went to this shoe for six months, months, it had an effect on your psyche. Yeah. Yeah. I got out and I have issues sleeping because you are so used to light being on all the time.

And people banging on the door every half an hour because they, they, they, they You want to know if you kill yourself. Like, the biggest question they ask you on every prison you go is, do you feel like you want to harm yourself or others? And you're like, no, man, I don't feel like I want to harm myself. I feel like I want to harm others, but not myself. And so they check on you all the time. And then you are kind of confined into four walls,

and you get used to that space. Like, I'm used to little spaces. I'm not used to big spaces. And crowds kind of like get on my nerves. And small talk. Like, I used to be a small talk guy. Like, commit fraud, you have to small talk. You go there and you're like,

hey, so how about the game and how about the weather? And now I go to, like, meetings and I'm like, these guys, I want you're fucking idiots, man. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm, I, so it's weird. Prison changes you. And it changes you in all aspects. Any of you guys have girlfriends or married or whatever or boyfriends.

I mean, it's 2021. I'm married. That's popular now. Dude, imagine. Eight and a half years in my case. 13 on Matt's case, not getting late. I mean, I'm assuming Matt went 13 years, not getting late, but eight and a half year.

That's a big assumption. That's a big assumption. I used to tell the guys, like, when they call their girlfriends, I said, ask him, have you been unfaithful? Yeah. Well, I have to. But, yeah, dude, you don't think about those things. Eight and a half years not touching somebody or somebody not touching you,

and it's like, you start, like, disconnecting from all those things, you know? So then you get out. it's it's it's it's readapting is weird are there any things that you can like put your finger on or like point to in your personality that change specifically from the six months in solitary like is there anything about that six months that you know that changed something yeah dude i learned to talk to myself but i think i'm talking to other people so like the other day somebody was giving me like an hour and a half ride and i'm sitting in the car like this for an hour and a half and she goes dude what the fuck you haven't said a word and i said oh my god but i was talking i just wasn't talking to you but i was having like a full out conversation with myself and i'm nodding and i'm like oh yeah so i find myself doing a lot of like talking to myself do you ever do that i thought don't do most people like i talk to myself all the time i have arguments with people i'll have arguments like if i'm going to argue with jess by the time i get to her house i've had that argument about 30 times

I've answered every Overcome every objection Every objections of all I have rebuttals to everything she's going to say So by the time she actually gets an opportunity To start the conversation It's over I'm gonna win the argument

I've had it 30 fucking times You're done I win This is what we're doing Yeah, that's normal Okay thank you Okay I feel good about that I feel better about that But yeah

That everybody has what That she's gonna win the argument No she's It's no she does Internal dialogue I think in general is important Yeah Yeah I mean that you do a lot of like

introspect. I guess you live your life over and over and over and over. So you get like these snapshots of your life when you're sitting there and you're kind of thinking. So I don't know. You just walk out of way. I have issues sleeping in a big bed. So sometimes I'm, I sleep better in a couch. That took a long time. Yeah, it took a long time for me to sleep on a... Dude, I go to the couch and I'm like, man, this is perfect. You know, the big bed, I don't sleep well because you're like rolling and it's like, man, this shit's endless. You said that at one point, you said that when you talk about yourself to people in the prison that you say that, Like, I'm crazy, man, I'm crazy.

Don't fuck with me, I'm crazy. Is that really you? Or was that just sort of like a personality or a hat you were wearing? I think you go a little crazy. When you've done some time, you go a little crazy. And you don't know you're crazy. Crazy becomes normal. Like we were talking about it the other day.

I mean, somebody, let's say he gets walked with a lock on the head and he's on the floor bleeding. Your first thought is, let's help this guy out. our first thought is shit we gotta take a shower man because they're gonna close the showers we're gonna get some ice I need to get ice I'm gonna get some coffee

can you get the radio from that guy because that's my fucking radio so it's it's I gotta put it in a cop out I literally guy got stabbed one time before they locked us down I had filled out a cop out for his room and put it under the counselor's door so literally the next day when the counselor comes in

they're all locked down why I don't know but Cox wants his room I mean, I did. I got his room too, by the way. Yeah, well, you ask, is the guy coming back? No, no, he seems to be in a coma. All right. Can I get his room?

This guy just got stabbed up a little. He's fine. Can I move to the bottom bunk? So you, that, you become a little, that turns you a little crazy. And especially when you get the new kids coming and there are new inmates and they don't know, you kind of don't have patience for that kind of stuff. You earn your stripes, you know, and you do some crazy thing. I mean, Matt did his own set of crazy things.

And everybody does their own set of crazy things. things in prison. This tattoo, this is a prison tattoo right here. Wow, that thing's pretty fucking. I've been looking at that. I've been looking at that. I think seem pretty fucking incredible. And let me tell you. So I go to the pen and you didn't have that at Coleman.

No. What is it? And you do you understand that this is like not you? This is not how I see you. Well, you know, I'm business gangster now. It's a new thing that I'm trying. This is a Michael, Archangel. Archangel.

Michael, stepping on the devil. But, so I go to the pen, and the big thing of the pen is getting tattooed. So I'm like, man, I gotta get tattooed, you know, I gotta, I gotta get ink. So I gotta get ink. And my daughter's, I'm like, man, I gotta get some prison ink. And my daughter's like that. You're so stupid, you know. You're not gangster.

And you're like a white-collar criminal. And I'm like, ah, you know, and I'm rapping to them like, you know, like, Kendrick Lamar. Damn, I got bitches, damn! And they're like that, stop it. You are just, you're brown. Which, by the way, I'm told, I was told. After your podcast, somebody corrected me and said, no, you are cinnamon mocha. Cinnamon mocha.

I said, ah. So I tell this guy, I said, listen, I want to get tattooed. He goes, okay, you got to make your own ink. I said, how do you do that? He goes, well, you got to get basaline. You make a fuse out of toilet paper. And then with a battery, you light it up. You put it inside of your locker and you let it burn.

That black dust, I guess, I don't know what you guys call it. Ashes. Like the ashes that stick to the sides of the locker. You take your ID and you scrape it in a piece of paper. Then you get shampoo. You take the alcohol pads from the diabetics, and you put a couple drops of alcohol in a little bottle, and then you shake it, shake it with the ashes in it.

And you shake it until it turns black. Then you run your finger, and when it runs, you tell the guy, he's ready, bro. Let's get this done. So he goes, well, you need to get the needle. And I go, well, where do I get the needle? He goes, you gotta go to the church and take the guitar and cut one of the strings.

So occasionally the priest will be like, dude, we're missing five or four strings from the fucking guitar. Can you guys stop tattooing this? You know? I mean, we cannot sing. So you get a piece of the string. They strain it out. They burn it up. And then the tattoo gun is made with the motor of a wall clock, a toothbrush, and a pen. And they put the needle through that. and they start tattooing you. Jesus. That shit is so toxic that you break into a fever for like two days. And you got like the shakes for two days.

And then you got to wear long sleeves because if the guards see you tattooed and it's fresh, you lose 54 days. Once that is healed, they know you fuck them. So once that it's healed, you're taking your shirt off everywhere and you're walking out of the shower. And then they'll call you like, listen, come here. You didn't have that when you came in. I did. Well, dude, we have a picture of you without it. Yeah.

Now, let's come in. Let's take a new picture of it. Buk, back, bach, right, there you go. So, yeah, so I got my tattoo, my ink. Did anybody that you know or did you ever get sick from COVID when you're in there? I got a couple of friends that died out of COVID that you knew because they came from they died there. They came from Coleman.

A Dominican guy named Manolo, dark skin, he used to play softball. That was a good thing. Sounds familiar. Yeah. He was in common for a long time. He died of COVID. Well, but the tattoo is kind of like a prison vaccine. Getting all those, all those.

Well, but some people get like mers and shit like that because they get tattooed and then they go take a shower and it's just like, that's bad. That I've seen some people, art, get all fucked up. But you know how much this? This was a pair of shoes. Is it? Is it? Is it? Damn.

And the guy told me, listen, I'll do the whole sleeve for $2.50. Some mackerel, some stamps. And I was ready to do it, but they moved the guy. So, you know, now I come out of the streets and this was 350. What are you doing, bro? Gangster, bro. Business gangster. That's the future, Matt.

Matt, why didn't you get any tattoos? He has some. Look at me. He's got some. He got a tramp stamp. Do you have a tramp stamp? Don't listen to him. Do you guys got tattoos?

Don't say stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah? Do you? I just actually recently got it for a friend of ours who was learning to get tattooed and she had to do some like free tattoos. Oh, you don't want to do that. Yeah, I did it.

No, no, no. You don't want to get a tattoo from a guy that you. you started you don't want a guy of a septomy from a guy that you started you just certain things you don't you don't you don't do with guys that you started not a vasectomy but the tattoo is cool because it was I had no reason I had never had interest in getting tattoo before but it was like a is it good did it turn out it's decent yeah it's decent it's all right yeah you get addicted though yeah it is I can see how it's definitely addicting you definitely want more and then you see it and you're like man the one that I really wanted was this one so I can put and then before you know it

you're working on a on a sleeve you're running out of canvas pretty soon you're... Listen, this is the guy that had a bunch of procedures done on him and he's complaining that I got a fucking tattoo. Come on. What if I don't like it?

Like, my fear is... I have a fear of commitment. Like, what if I get something that's like trendy now and like five years from now, people are like, that's stupid. What were you thinking?

Like, my brother actually got a tattoo and it was that you guys don't know what this is. It's the keep on trucking tattoo where there's a guy walking towards you in the front of his foot on the bottom of the soul it says like keep on trucking it so his foot's real big and then he got another one of like

tweety bird and he's got like these stupid tattoos that he later i'm like what what were you doing he's like it was it was cool at the time they had shirts and i'm like yeah but it's trendy he's like yeah but i didn't know that i didn't know it wasn't going to be cool later it's like everything's stupid like he's got all these ridiculous tattoos and then he's got other tattoos that it's just like not him It's like you have a knife with a snake going through it. Like you're not a, you're not a biker. I thought it was cool. It's like, stop.

I saw a guy in prison getting his whole head, all head, Louis Vuitton. Really? Like a purse. And I had a guy. I actually drew out a bunch of it. And his whole sleeve was Louis Vuitton. The pattern. Yeah, the pattern.

I met him when he didn't have that. And then I saw him in Oklahoma. And I'm like, what the fuck? And he's like, yeah, I know, man. What were you thinking? And he's like, I don't know. So, well, Louis Vuitton will hire you. Yeah.

You know, I mean, you have a job there. But yeah, the skull is a little bit too much. And then you have the guys with the tears. Yeah, yeah. They're sad. They're very sad. Yeah. It's a crazy world in there.

Yeah. I mean, all the different prisons and pens that you went to, what was the worst one you were in? What was the worst prison that you were in? Obviously, Coleman was probably the nicest one, right? Oh, Coleman was the nicest one. Coleman was pretty good. We were talking about that. Coleman was great.

I thought, listen, I thought it was pretty good. I thought, listen, I thought it was great. You started getting worse as time goes by. The drugs, they started getting in all that. K2. The K2 ruined it. And then you had the state stopped picking up crimes. So the feds were picking up these 18, 19, 20-year-old criminals for little shit.

That used to be state crimes before. So we had a bunch of kids in the prison running around. picking up fights and, you know, doing stupid stuff. But Coleman was good. I'll say the last one, the D. Ray James, the one where they had all the immigrants. Because I was a... I was going to say the ice facilities are the worst. Ice facilities, you have no rights because you are an immigrant, basically.

And you're getting punished twice by the staff. See, in prison, the staff punishes you because you're a criminal. So the guards look at you like, you know, the judge didn't give you enough time, so I'm going to make your life fucking miserable. Like, you know, we had, what was the guy that used to wear the dreads, the short black dude that used to, I don't know. Black guy with dreads and? Oh, so.

Gold teeth? Well, you'll remember this one, the black lady from the library, the library, Miss John, Ms. Johnson, Ms. whatever? No, no, Ms. Johnson was nice. No, Ms. Johnson was nice. You're talking about Ms. Broaddardin, she was the worst. She was terrified. She will tell you things.

She will tell you, she will, don't look at me in the eyes when you talk to me. Don't look at me in the eyes. Yeah, and lie. And she would write report saying that you like you you you push her and pushed her. You're hit her. Like I mean, they had a. And guys would beat the beat the Saunders. Miss Saunders.

Guys would beat. If you're watching these Miss Sanders, fuck you. Yeah, you're a scumbach. Look, and people, like she would literally, she would, she would, first of what she was bipolar. Like she was completely insane. And so she, then she would write you up for something that didn't happen. try and get you throwing the shoe, try and get your job taken away.

Like this was a psychotic chick. And then say stuff like, he grabbed me, he pushed me. He this, well, they have a camera right there. And so what happened was so many people complained

after multiple people went to the shoe for nothing. Eventually, they literally, she would say, go to the lieutenant's office right now, I'm writing you up,

and I'd this. But you'd get to the lieutenants, you'd walk in, you go, hey, Ms. Saunders sent me down here and they'd go, Jesus. Well, she said she's writing me a shot

and they'd go, just go back to the unit. Yeah, but she said she's writing a shot. I'm going to quash a shot. It sounds just like high school. Just go. It is just like high school. And not just that, look, a lot of the guards are hooked on, are hooked on oxies.

Do you remember, wait, wait, do you remember? Would you say the guards and they're like, do you see, would you say the guards like their jobs? Do you think they have some new? I think they make good money. I think they make good money. Like, look, I liked the guards that were there because it was just a job. And then there were the guards that actually like literally, like, literally. they would pay to be there because they have an opportunity to be sadistic and not catch up with them.

But I was just going to say, do you remember a guard by the name of Tibbet? White guy, super nice. Do you know what happened? He was a guy that was always taking pills. Oh, yeah, yeah, he was on. PTSD, happy TSD. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah.

No, no, but guess what happened? So there was a huge case from the females camp saying that the guards were pressuring them. to have sex and so they filed a lawsuit, right, against all these guards. Tippett was named in the lawsuit. So Tippett drives to Coleman on Christmas, or right around late December, I think. Drives into Coleman in the parking lot, takes his revolver out, sticks in his mouth, and blows his fucking brains out. No way. Yeah. This is that recent big lawsuit, right?

All those girls. The one that Jess came. Is that what they turned it into a mail camp, I guess? They settled the lawsuit, by the way. Did they really? Oh, yeah, the BOP settled it. When did this happen? Five tunas.

Like a month or two ago? No, they were swimming like $20 million. There was no joke. Can you pull up the news on that? The Coleman settlement? Yeah, they, I mean, listen, Tippet blew his fucking brains. Like, Tippet was the nicest. Yeah, Tippett was.

Like, if I had to say, any guard you liked, who's the best guard that you ever were there and liked and genuinely is just like a nice guy? Look, he wasn't sharp. He probably didn't have 100 IQ, but he was a nice guy. And I think that's a problem. If you are a nice guy and you get that job, man, you're going to end up. Yeah. Oh, there you go.

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Subscribe now. Lawsuit settled in which 15 women alleged sexual abuse at Florida prison, federal correctional Facility Coleman. I don't know what it was settled for, though. I do know. I was wondering how much. United States has settled a lawsuit with 15 women who said... Oh, 1.2.26 million.

Between 15? That's not bad. Between 15 women. About 80,000 a pop? Says 11 women. 11. Oh, 11? Only 11. James Demiles. We need to get his ass on here. Do you think Tibest isn't getting any money?

Hmm? She wasn't in there? Was Jess a part of that lawsuit? No, she was saying all those girls are a lot. She's like those girls were lying. That's right. Huh? Yeah, they were against it.

Oh, yeah. So the girls we had on here, we had Jess and... Oh, you have Jess in here? Uh-huh. And the other girl that was at Coleman, right? Yeah, yeah. And they were basically saying that's bullshit. These girls just, their claim was the girls are fabricating the story and blowing it out of the water.

And a lot of the girls would target the guards. Like, I'm going to start sleeping with him and I'm going to get him to bring me in stuff. And they would, so they would do that. And then... You know they get a sentence reduction on top of that. Yeah. Most of these girls were out already. Oh, okay.

But yeah. So they got out, and a group of them got together and got an attorney and sued. So it's... Were you there when they took the pockets out of the shorts? We had a lawsuit and Coleman, because I guess the, what we call the shooters. Oh, gunners. Gunners? The guys would jack off viciously.

Yeah, I mean, all guys jack off. But these guys will do it like in front of the guards. Or they put their hands in their pockets and they jack. The female guard, right? Yeah, the female. Well, something more... Or the male guards. Well, Matt Cox probably see a handsome.

male guards. See? And they will open a comment in the thing. I don't like the way you said that. Yeah, they don't. They don't like what to make fun of them at. Really? Come on, rap.

Come on. Let's go. So the female guards ended up getting settled on that loss. They made a bunch of money. And they took all our pockets. We had to turn in our shorts. So get our pockets taken up. They took our pants off and now we have to wear like the medical pants with the rubber bands.

You're missing the point. That was the part. That was the part of the body. This is my favorite part. My favorite part is that the female guards, like, in the medium and in the pen, guys would jack off. They would masturbate, you know, staring at some woman. So one guy, I want to say it was in the pen.

He actually is standing, like, behind the door and actually blows, you know, semen. Should I say semen or nut? So anyway. Fluids, on her? Yes, thank you. He fucking blows a nut on her. and it ends up on her on her pants leg she goes to the lieutenant and says this guy and this has been happening by the way she's been complaining the female guards have been complaining and the lieutenants are ignoring their complaints this is a female guard the lieutenants are ignoring them so she comes and she said i've been telling you this and this and this is what this guy just did and she goes he just skeeted all over me and the lieutenant says you're not medical staff you don't know what that is you're not you're not trained to know what that is and listen she's a woman yeah she's seen some She have had semen on her before.

Absolutely. So I remember reading the article thinking, it makes me feel good that they, that the lieutenants at the staff treat the staff as shitty as they treat. That's the kind of stuff they'd say to you. So the women get together and they sue. They have this, it was like a $20 million settlement at the Coleman complex. And in the settlement, they said,

one, you guys have been ignoring this for a year. And two, we want, one of the things we want you to do is take away all the inmates' pockets. So they had to change out all the pants. So we couldn't have pants, couldn't have belts, you had rubber, the elastic, no pants, no pockets.

I got no pockets. Why do they always put those uniforms? Oh my God. Yeah, nobody's wearing stripes. That's like a Disney character. Is that what the pants look like? No. No. And those boots.

That's what we're saying. Nobody, they're like. Listen, if you go to my Facebook, I actually have some There were some pictures in there. Coleman prison, yeah, 2005 to 2014. Yeah, they were ignored. So it would have been in 2014 or 15 when they took away our pants or our pockets.

You can't. There are guys jack it off so much that they take the pockets away. With the rubber bands on the waist, you can't jack off. Oh, 20 million right there. $20 million settlement. Throughout my shift, inmates were masturbating everywhere. It felt like a free-for-all, one woman said, according to court documents,

I probably saw 25 to 30 inmates masturbating during one shift. Which, let me put that in perspective. There is 1,900 inmates in Coleman Lowe. So really 25 guys masturbating at, you know, is a very low. It's a fair number. It speaks about the erectile dysfunction

that exists in prison. Yeah. Yeah, which is the real problem. It's a fair number. I think, well, you know, I mean, I think this wasn't the low. I think this was probably more. There is five of us here.

If you say, you know, during my interview, three guys were masturbating. How many were there? Five. Shit, that's a high number. Yeah. But 25 out of 1900? Mm-hmm. You know.

That's probably standard. Yeah, that's a day at the red yard. These guys, they cut a hole in the pocket. They put their hands and they got a hole in the pocket. Yeah. How are you doing, Ms. Johnson? Yeah. And I'm, and they're just.

Eyes black, white. Yeah. I want to sign up for the class. That happened a lot of the real estate class. That's fucking incredible. Yeah, it was, it was unbelievable. You get some characters in prison, and then you sit there. Massivate in front of the prison.

It makes masturbating in front of the prison more difficult, but not impossible. Just more difficult. You do understand, like, you understand the things we're talking about. Like, how, imagine that's your life. This is your life being around guys that are literally, you know, you're sitting there doing work at the library. And you look over and some guys staring through a window at a female secretary go, yeah.

And you're like, fuck this guy. And you're like, you're teaching GED. Yeah. And you're like, listen, guys, pay attention here. Don't look at the masturbator. Pay attention right here. Right. You know, algebra fellas.

That's your life. Yeah. That's. It's a, so you get out and you are not quite all there. Everything, you see the world through different lenses, you know. Does it get better, Matt? I'll let you know. How long?

You've been out for what? Three years? Two years. Two years. I've been out two years. So what happened is, and I used to say this is that literally, of course, it, you know, I gradually went, I lived in someone's spare room. So I have a little tiny space, you know. I, so I mean, my world has slowly gotten bigger.

And like, even sleeping, literally, oh, I didn't tell you, this is good. So Stacy, I stayed at Stacy's, right? Yeah. She had a room and she had a closet. I put my bed in the closet. That was a huge closet in the closet. And I used to sleep in the closet. And when I put my bed, I said, well, I'm going to put my bed in here.

Oh, because I said, I'm going to have this my art studio. And she goes, well, why don't you use the closet for the, and why don't you, we can move. I go, no, no, I want to put it in there. It fits in there. It's good. She's like, it's so tiny. And I go, it's twice as big as myself. As a matter of fact, bring the toilet.

Yeah, I was like, right. And she was like, you can't be serious. I'm like, I feel comfortable. I slept great in that room. I felt I felt Jess would come over. She'd sleep. She would be like, it's really comfortable when you're in. And I was like, it's weird, right?

And so then, then eventually I moved into a bedroom. And then you have to think, too, for the first six months to a year, I had this constant feeling like, they're going to come get me any minute. Yeah. Like, remember I told you, like, I miss my friends. I think about my friends in prison. Like, to me, this is temporary. I should be back in Coleman. Like, I was like, it wouldn't bother me at all

if I went back to Coleman. It's like the end of Shawshank Redemption. Yeah. And you end up getting out and you reach out to the people that you did time with that you were actually hanging out with inside. You know, so they end up connecting sooner or later because it's the people that understand you.

Right. You speak the same language. Sometimes when I say, some things like with my daughters. I have to explain what I mean all the time. Or I was telling my day I was at the doctor and one of my kids called me and I said, I'm in medical. And they're like, what?

And I said, oh shit, I'm not the doctor. I'm not in medical. You know? Or one of them has a backyard and I keep saying it, the wreckyard. And I'm like, hey, let's go out to the wreckyard. I'm like, shit. No, the backyard. The backyard is not the wreckyard.

What about what you said with your girlfriend, you were like, oh, if somebody talked to me like that when I was in, if someone, listen. Yeah, that's what you start arguing. Well, it's funny that you said about the closet. I got into an argument there. They mean, and I was so pissed. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to lock myself in the fucking closet so I can think.

And she's like, dude, what? I said, yeah, this is too much space here. I just cannot get my head straight. Because you want confinement. And then when people talk to you, you cannot snap at them. Like, what? You start thinking, if this bitch talk like that to me in prison, I would have stabbed her.

Remember the thing, well, I'm not stab anybody, but I tell you what, the one thing is, it's please and thank you. Oh my God. When I first went into prison, like, nobody's saying please or sit. Because that's soft. You're soft. Like, first of all, like, like, I put no base in my voice. I'm talking normal.

In prison, it's, what's up? Hey, yeah, so listen, hey, let me get some sugar. Like, sweet, any type of sweetener is sugar. Like, any type of, like, listen, I can't even, I'm not going to go into this. It's so stupid. Like, they don't have, they call. Sweatshirts are sweaters. And they're like, hey, let me get a sweater.

I'm like, it's not a sweater. It's a sweatshirt. So you realize very quickly, no, they're all sweaters. You know, they're all, and there's all these things. And they stop saying, please, and thank you. That's off the window. If you do that, you're soft. If you're soft, you're basically a victim.

So you stop saying that. So then I get out here and I'm like, hey, let me get some coffee. It's like, please. Please. Would you like something? And you start realizing, I can't talk. like like like I'm an asshole I was kind of an asshole

when I went in I'm really an asshole at least I said please and thank you so it took a lot like I really and so I try to have to do overly be polite like hey I really appreciate it like hey thank you so now like we were talking about going through the

Starbucks yeah I'm real overly I don't just order I'm like you know hey how are you doing today like I have to really push myself to try and be sweet nice superficial charm absolutely but I have to make that super after. It's called faking sincerity. Right.

If you can do that, you got it made. You got it. You can sell anything. Yeah. So I have to really do that. Hearing aids or hand grenades. Jess laughs at the laugh. We were talking about laughs all the time.

She's like, what are you doing? You're so, I'm talking to every, trying to really make myself be sociable again. Yeah. Because you're just not when you come out. No. I'm so comfortable being alone. But when you are with a convict, it's okay.

Like, I want to. I went to your house there a day, and I'm, like, opening the fucking cabinet, getting a glass, and I'm getting like... Which is great, because I don't offer anybody shit. Yeah, and I know, listen, if I walked into his cell, I was going to open his locker, and if he had some chips, I was going to eat him, you know what I mean? But then he had people there, and they're sitting there like, can we, can we... I'm like, yeah, grab that shit.

Is it yours? No, if he's there, it's to eat it, you know? Otherwise, he will hide it, you know? Because that's kind of like Hoyt is in prison. If it's on the table, it's for everybody. It's for everybody. Right. If you don't want people to eat it, then you hide it, you know?

somewhat free. Now, you're a free man. Well, we still got probation. America, the land of the free, right? And the home of the brave. Yeah. This is the freest country in the world, right? It's super free.

Yeah, one percent of our society is locked up. More people per capita, I think, than any other country. Is that right? Than any other country in the world. So they set you free, and now you got to walk through basically a minefield to make sure you don't get end up back in prison. How long are your own probation for? Probation officer wants you to make payments to restitution, but he can't work. He's like, how am I going to do that?

He called me yesterday. He's like, dude, you haven't made any payments on your probation. On your restitution. I said, I can't work. He goes, you're still on that. I said, yeah, man, I don't have a work permit. I don't have a driver's license. If you get me one, I'll Uber the shit out of this thing.

But he's like, oh, man, I don't know. He goes, how about, you know, like getting a job and getting paid like cash, you know, under the table. Really? I'm like, wait a second. No, that's a federal offense.

That violates immigration law. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess. I guess it does. I guess it does. I'm like, yeah, man, no. Listen, if I'm going to do shit,

I'm going to do shit. Your probation officers have that to you? They don't think. You know, they're just like, well, what about this? Like, you know, they're not. They're not familiar

with what goes on once you get out. They're not familiar with what goes on once you're in there. Like, a lot of people think that we got prepared to be out, and we don't. Nobody talks to you. Nobody tells you, listen, this is what you're going to face when you get out.

And it's like, listen, you're out. And how do I get home? I don't know how you're going to get home. That's your fucking problem. You're out. Get a job and then places, you do, to find a place to leave. I mean, I haven't crossed that bridge yet. But when I've tried, they used to test the waters.

That he's lucky as family here. If you didn't have family here, he's sleeping on a park bench somewhere. Yeah, because what's it like to find a place to rent? Well, it's impossible. Because they go, listen, we're going to. We're going to do a background check. Do you have you committed a crime? And I was like, well, you know, it's white color.

And I said, well, yeah, no, it doesn't matter if it's white color. You know, I mean, I had somebody that took 300. I told the story I think in your podcast. He took, I said, listen, I have a federal criminal record. Oh, don't worry about it. Is it, is it sexual? Is it like, you know, child abuse or your child molester? Right.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm like, listen, I'm white color. Right, right. Oh, yeah, you shouldn't have a problem. I said, okay, you know. So she runs She takes my 300 bucks Non-refundable

For the application Then she calls me back She's like We run your criminal record And we cannot take you Because you have a record I said shit I told you I had a record

She goes Yeah but we didn't know That it will show up It's a fucking federal record You know why wouldn't it show up She said yeah I said dude You know

I think people were laughing at your podcast Because I said fuck I'm not a child molester But I think I just got molested Yeah oh yeah You know Yeah I mean it's It happens all the time

To open a bank counter the same thing. Everywhere you go, you have the stigma of being a convict. So what some convicts do, like me or Matt or other friends that I have, is they actually take that and they use it to their advantage. You know, you use it to do good instead of bad. As crazy as it sounds as the fact that we're talking about this in podcasts like yours, it's good that people know behind the phone and behind that all the stuff, man that if you do the wrong thing, you are going to end up in prison, period, not if, ants, or buts. Yeah, 10 years from now, you'll get out and you'll be at a concrete and you'll tell some jokes and you're like, oh my God,

yeah, I remember. Is it worth the 10 years? Absolutely not. But, you know, so what we're trying to do is we're trying to, I think, expose one side of the system that a lot of people don't see, you know? Like, I was telling somebody there, they, the good thing about being a convicted, felon is that I can talk about my crime. I can say, listen, I did this, and I did this, and I did this, and I was convicted. There is a bunch of people breaking the law right now, and I see them on late-night TV, and I see them on podcasts, and I'm like, oh, my God, this guy is, he's getting a bunch of fucking people indicted.

If they do what his, all this zero-down real estate stuff, and all these NPP loans and PPP loans. And all these, you know, I see them online all the time, and I'm like, man, these people are going to get a bunch of people fucked. They are getting a bunch of people fucked right now. You know how many, how many Boziac said, I don't know what, he was like five, he's, he's basically paid like $250 or $300 to like five or six different places that have just taken its money. For application fees?

Application fees. He was just, he is like, I walk in. I'm like, look, this is what's going on. Boom, boom, boom. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. No, we've had this problem. No problem.

It filled it out. Bam, they just take my money. because it happens over and over again. I don't think the full skull tattoo helps his case too much. No, no. Yeah, but he didn't look. He was like Justin Bieber when he was in prison.

Right? I said that before. I mean, this was a guy. I've said that. This was like, Oh, you saw before the tattoos? Yeah. Well, he had like the rock star thing, right?

And he had like a couple of them. But then he showed me a picture. I was like, dude, what the fuck happened? Did he join a gang? When he got out of prison, he did it backwards. Plus, yeah, yeah. Remember when I said I, I wrote an article. about how Trump had signed an executive order where he was going to deport all the Puerto Ricans that had convictions.

Oh my God, you told that story here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did you write that article again? Okay, because I was laying in bed one night and there were a bunch of Puerto Ricans, like 1130 at night. Like, we're supposed to be asleep, but these bunch of Puerto Ricans were in front of my cell. And they're all like, ah, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Oh, because they're Puerto Ricans. They're Puerto Ricans.

How do you, how do you decipher a Puerto Rican from a Mexican? Well, because a Mexican has a job. Okay, so... No, I'm asking a serious question in prison. Accent? You can see it. Really? First of all...

Clicks, they hang out together. Okay. But the key is everybody has a number. So the Hispanics segregate? Yes. We're not all created equal. Yeah. So they're going...

And I know most of these guys. There's a different... 50 shades of brown. There's 180 people. There's 180 people. I know who the Mexicans are. I know who the black guys are. I know who...

I know who's from Miami. I know, you know. So these guys are... That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. I was like, trying to go to sleep. And, you know, the whole thing is it's like, it's not the kind of place where you can go, hey, you guys, can you please move? Because now it's, oh, no, they're screaming at you.

And if you scream back, now you've got a major problem. It's a huge problem. So you lay there, you put something over your head. You put your earplugs in. But I'm laying there and I'm thinking, I wish these fucking guys would just go. And I thought, man, I really wish they'd all just go back to Puerto Rico. And then I sat there and I thought, you know, and I thought, oh, that'd be great. And then I thought, you know what?

Trump could send him back. And I thought, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to have Trump send them back tomorrow. So I go to the library the next morning and I write up an article that says that Trump has just signed executive order 720514-12 and that all any Puerto Ricans that were born in Puerto Rico that came to the United States that have a felony conviction are being deported. and then I go in and I add in quotes from the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, from what was that, the old, the old U.S. attorney or the, um, yeah, the attorney general.

No, no, it wasn't, this wasn't prior to him. Yeah, sessions. Yeah, yeah. So I put in a bunch of quotes from sessions saying it's perfectly legal. I put a quote in from, you know, say, you gave numbers. Currently there is like 45,000 Puerto Ricans out of them 28,000 are deputable. I looked up, like all the things, I looked up the name of the, of the, the, the, um, not statue, but the, the agreement where Puerto Rico became a possession, like, why they became a possession. Like I had every, this is a huge article. It took me hours to write it up. Then I had, then I, uh, then I, uh, I read it over a few times. I really had Adobe Photoshop. So you can, so you can, so you can Photoshop the CNN logo on top of it.

I don't have nothing like that. So I write it out. We had a copy machine. That was the case thing we had. So I write it all up. That works. And, and there was a guy. And there was a guy. And there was a guy. And there was a guy. And, who ran a, basically there's a lawyer that everybody signed up to that sends out like a newsletter. So I had, I basically made it, it was named Jeremy Gordon. So I put it in Jeremy Gordon's recent newsletter, changed the name of the inmate it was sent to, whoever he was signed up to. And so it looks like it was a printout. Like it went to him. He printed it out on his computer. And it came from Jeremy Gordon.

and he printed it out on his computer and so that's just what it looks like like this is an article from this is an article Gordon legit or article that was in the New York Times that Jeremy Gordon is and it's a part of his newsletter. I had other things that Gordon had talked about so I then go make a bunch of copies of it

and I post it on the bulletin board I then go to some guy and I go hey bro I said you know you got you know your buddy he's a Puerto Rican guy right? I said is he seen this and he goes, no, what is I? Yeah, listen to what's happening. He goes, holy shit. You need to show so-and-so.

Walk away. He shows it to so-and-so. Listen. You just lit the fire. Lit the fire. Then I actually took it. Fake news. I put it in all of these different, I put it in all the different units.

Like, and I don't hear anything about it. Probably the next day or the day, two days later, I'm standing in the chow hall line. And there's two, a couple of white guys or something sitting in front of me going, man, I hope they send them all back. And I'm thinking, what are they? talking about? They're going back and forth. He's like, yeah. Well, I mean, they come here, they commit crimes. They're not, but they're U.S. citizens. You can't just send them back. Trump can do it. Trump's like,

it's already done deal. It's a done deal. It can't be legal. And I'm thinking, oh my God. They're talking about this. This is, like, these aren't even Puerto Rican guys. Listen, by the time I get back to the unit by the end of the day, there have been, I've heard 10 different conversations about it. I walk in. There is a

whole group of Puerto Ricans together. And there's one of them reading it over and translating it for the other ones. going nuts. Another day goes by. He comes up to me in the library one day. I'm sitting there and he comes up. He sits there and he, guys, what's going on? Because you were teaching GED, right? Yeah.

And I go, hey, what's going on? And he goes, listen, man. He said, um, you heard this thing about Trump? And he signed this executive order? And I went, he goes, yeah, yeah. He said, they're going crazy, man. I go, okay, listen, man, I got to tell you something. I just swear to God, because now I'm getting nervous, by the way. It's gone so viral

throughout the prison. I'm now starting to think they're going to throw me in the shoe. Let me talk you there. Because there is a side of the story that Matt was not a participant of because he doesn't speak Spanish. Yeah. But they're coming to me because I'm the paperboard guy. Yeah, yeah.

And they're like, hey, Venezuela. Venezuela, come here, yeah. Check this out. And I'm reading it. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. You're an American fucking citizen. That's like saying they're going to deport you to Alabama. Yeah, yeah.

That shit doesn't work like that. I don't know, man. I don't know. Because, you know, my sister, she heard about it on Telemundo. And I'm like, she did. And they're like, yeah, yeah. And then somebody's like, yeah, and CNN last night, remember, we were on the TV room. And they're like, oh, my God, yeah.

And I'm like, man, this doesn't make any sense. They're making it up. They're just exploding. Yeah. People are calling their moms. Mom, you need to talk to my attorney. I cannot go by to Puerto Rico. I testify.

Yeah. They're going to kill me there. Yeah. The consulers are walking out, calling the Hispanics. We are at a town hall. Guys, we're doing our research. We have not gotten any news from the BOP that this is going to happen. You need to slow down.

It's a whole deal. I mean, I'm getting scared. So now you don't understand. They'll, they'll, like, they'll really.

So when I go to Matt, I'm like, dude, have you read this shit? What the fuck is this? It doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, are you have to swear you will not.

He's like, what? I go, listen to you, you cannot. I mean, like, you can't go and tell your buddy and you think,

oh, he won't tell anybody. Do you understand? You can't tell anybody. And he's like, all right, what, what? And I go,

so I wrote the fucking article and I put it into and he goes no my God what did you do it? He goes he looked at me and he goes that's brilliant these guys are going nuts and I go I'm telling you brother I said you know what you need to do

and he's what I go you need to tell all of them that you can file the paperwork to get them to stay here like where they they will not deport them because they're in trouble I said tell them they send you $125 and you get the paperwork working and I said you'll file up for them and he goes and he said we'll write up a form and will and he's

like can't do that I'm like do you know how much money he goes oh you're kidding me yeah I'm 10,000 dollars he's there's hundreds of these guys like they're going nuts Matt you would make a great CNN or Fox executive yeah well years later I'm out of prison he's been out for two and a half years and I missed all the politics and all the shit I was in prison you know and I'm hearing this fake news stuff. So they're like, oh, it's all fake news,

he's all fake news. And I'm trying to figure out, what the fuck is fake news? So I'm watching at the newscast, and I'm like, I tell my brother, dude, I got to tell you a story

about fake news in prison. My friend Matt, and I'm telling him the story, I'm like, that's the first time I heard of fake news. It's really the same thing that's going on in the real world. It is the same thing.

On a grander scale. Yeah. That's very interesting. Prison is like a micro, you know, system of what society is like. And it's the same thing. You have a percentage of people that have money.

You have percentage of people that are broke. You have the drug lords employing the broke people. And I used to tell my brother, man, this was Coleman, though. And the media executives like Matt Cox that are... To his defense, Matt did not employ slaves. Okay. Well, he's got one. But there were several inmates that did.

So there will be like this gisilion. drug lords. You know, $150 million, $200 million in the bank. They will sit there and they will call me, yeah, Venezuela, I'll come here.

So I'll still there and say, yeah, what's up? Man, listen, can you translate this for me? And I'll be like, yeah, I'll translate it for you. Do you want anything to eat? Sure, hold on one second. Pedro, come here for a second.

So this guy will show up. Yes. What do we have to eat? Like a waiter, bro. It's another inmate. Well, we have pizzas. We have burritos. We have,

well, dude, I'll take a burrito. Give the man a burrito. You want anything to do it? drink? All right, what do you have to drink? Well, Sprite, Coke. Dude, give me a Sprite. With ice? Yeah, with ice. All right. So the guy will leave and come back with like the Sprite and the burrito and the whole thing. I mean, they had it. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't have it in his cell. This guy's keeping his stuff. So he's putting money on multiple people's books. He's using multiple people's phones. You can only have 300 minutes. So he's, you don't use, you don't have any money. So here's what you're going to do. I'm going to put money on your books. You're

going to go to commissary for me. You're going to get some commissary. I'm going to use your phone minutes because you barely call anybody. You can use some of them. And you're going to cook for me. And then you, you'll clean my room. I'm going to put money on your books. You're going to go to commissary. You're going to make my bed.

You're going to clean my cell. You're going to do all my laundry. You'll do this. You'll do that. Like, this guy never goes to commissary. He never really has to leave the unit. All of his stuff is pressed and done. Everything's taken care of.

For a prison, you're still in prison, but you're living like a king. Yeah. You are the upper class of the, you know, bougie. And you're renting out. other people's, um, a locker space. Because you have to live out of a little tiny locker. Right. So you just have commissary spread throughout the whole prison.

Right, right. So you're going to keep my stuff. You're going to keep my stuff. Like he probably has almost nothing in his locker. Like my locker was packed with crap. But I'll tell you, uh, my first shocking story in prison, which a lot of people ask me, I get to Miami. My cell is Puerto Rican.

Speaking of the Puerto Ricans. And he goes, listen, Venezuela. I need you to stand outside because I'm, I'm loaded. And I said, uh, What do you mean you are loaded? He goes, yeah, I got some, like drugs? He goes, no, no, no, no. He said, dude, what are you caring?

What's going on? He goes, well, I have a cell phone. I said, where do you have it? He goes, I have it on my ass. In his prison purse. I said, shut the fuck up. You have a cell phone of your ass? He goes, yeah.

What kind of phone? Well, I said, I'm like, dude. I'm like, I'm not, is this an iPhone? I said, I'm not stepping out, bro. You're going to pull that shit out right now? He goes, yeah, I said, I want to see it. I want to see it. He goes, come on, bro.

I said, no, bro, I've never seen this before. I don't believe. First of all, I don't believe it. He goes, all right, man. So he gets another Puerto Rican to watch it, and I'm sitting on my bed. And this guy's, like, pushing his stomach, and he's like, and out of a sudden, here comes this phone, bro, like, puk. And I'm sitting there going, oh, my God.

But the guy is still sitting, and he's still pushing. And I go, dude, you got two phones? And he goes, shut up, bro, shut up. Book the charger. And I said, oh my God, the charger. And he goes, of course. How do you think I was going to charge the phone, bro? Oh, my God.

And I said, well, you know what? I would have never thought about putting the charger on my ass. I would have been the only idiot with a phone and nobody. Oh, my God. He's like, yeah, of course. And they keep it up their ass all day, bro. All day. And not little phones.

I mean, we're talking about a decent size. iPhone, iPhone 11 Pro Max. Oh, that's. What's going on? A tablet. Yeah, you got an iPad. Yeah, give me an iPad. Yeah, that was, that was impressive.

Jesus Christ. That was impressive. I've heard those stories before, but not in that kind of thing. No, no, no, listen, it's, and I tried, I had to ask. I was like, you guys, I'm like, listen, let's sit down, let's talk about this. Right, right. At what point did you put a cell phone up your ass? I mean, how long did that take?

Do you have to work your way up to a cell phone? I mean, it's like, yeah. you practice with a bar of soap, you know, and I'm like, wow, that's incredible. A bar of soap. Yeah. So you got to practice it until you're kind of comfortable with a bar of soap. And then you, you know, you work your way up to a cell phone.

I say, well, well, you know what I mean? I'm glad that it's. I don't feel good right now at all. Like, my stomach's upset right now. Just thinking of it. Well, I mean, I remember I wrote, I posted on Facebook and I said, I guess this guy's travel light, you know, because they were talking about, back on those times, they were talking about,

they were charging for a carry-on and stuff like that. And I said, man, you just pay a Puerto Rican and he'll take your logo chop his ass. Yeah. Yeah. Trouble light, you know. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. Yeah.

So, yeah, the charger, the phone, I mean, it was just one story after the other one. And you just got demonetized. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, can I mention the brand of the phone so you can get maybe some endorsement? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's a great way to end it, man. I appreciate you coming on here. Yeah. That's a good one. I appreciate you telling your story, man. No, man. It's fascinating. You're a really good storyteller.

Any time you want to have me back. Absolutely. I'm at your first Hispanic guest? No, you're not, actually. Bustamante. No, we've had a... Oh, listen, bro. I have a buddy who's ex-CIA.

X-C-I-A. He came on. Super cool guy. He's done a couple... A couple podcasts. He's been on here a bunch. Yeah. Well, Andrew.

He's super smart guy. Smart guy, nice guy, cool guy. Man, he's got some stories. Oh, yeah. Some of them he can tell. Some of them he can't. He's like, well, I can't really talk about this. Yeah.

No, this was great. I love to have you on again. Absolutely. Has Matt written your book yet? You know, the whole time I was trying to write it. And, you know, he kept saying this is what a bunch of these jerk-off say. No, no, I'm going to do it myself. I'm going to do it myself.

Stop it. You're not going to do it yourself. Right. Let's start to. No, no, when I come back. It never happened. Never did it. Never did an outline.

Always was going to. even said this a few times, which kills me. When I get out, stop. You'll never have this much time in your life. When you get out, you're going to do it. Stop it. Well, the silver lining to all this,

it's an uphill battle when you get out, and you've got to walk through a minefield to stay free, and there's a lot of hoops you've got to jump through. But the silver lining in all this is that true crime is the most profitable endeavor right now. Legal, so far. You need to write your story, because there's a lot more to it.

story. But what's great is how delicious. Liquid death was. Murder your thirst. And if you are, yeah, solid death is a whole different story. Liquid death is a way to go. Cool, man. Well, thanks again. No problem, man.

Goodbye, world. All right. Asta man.