Danny Jones Podcast - #108 - Is Time Travel Really Possible? | Jake Fox

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

Jake Fox is an artist and musician. He is also an encyclopedia on conspiracies and a music historian. On this episode Jake talks about the cryptic hidden messaging in music from bands like The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana & Bob Dylan. We also talk about time traveling nukes, JFK, and Backwards matter. Towards the end Jake preforms some of his newest music from his band 'Catatonic Scripts'. Follow Jake - https://www.instagram.com/thefoxface watch the full episode here: https://bit.ly/koncretepatreon sponsors  https://nordvpn.com/koncrete - Get a 2-year plan plus 4 additional months with a huge discount!   https://liquiddeath.com -  Use code KONCRETE at checkout to get a free koozie 2-pack with a 12-pack purchase.   danny:  https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny  https://twitter.com/jonesdanny Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello world. Today's guest is Jake Fox. Jake is a friend of mine who is an artist and a musician. He is also an encyclopedia on conspiracy theories, and he's a music historian who we had a blast talking to and hanging out with. On this episode, Jake talks about the cryptic hidden messaging in music from bands like the Beatles, Jimmy Hendrix, Nirvana, and Bob Dylan. We also talked about time-traveling nukes, JFK, and backwards matter if any of that fluff's your curiosity. Towards the end of the show, Jake performs some of his new music from his band Catatonic scripts. Please enjoy this action-packed episode before YouTube takes it down. Is that an Egyptian pharaoh tattoo on your arm? Yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that. Why shouldn't you have done it? I don't know, man. I never thought about if I ever go abroad and somebody was like, why do you have that?

Who are you? You're a white man from America. Is that what you're worried about? I don't know sometimes, yeah. I shouldn't worry about that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's crazy that you worry about that. I don't really worry about, I'm never going to India now. Well, I'm going to Ash here.

What is that? The idea is I like studying world religion, so I have Mary back here. And then Thoth was like the scribe of the Egyptians. Pull this thing a little bit closer? Talk a book closer to it. So Thoth was like a scribe. He kind of invented language in one way or another. And they attributed him.

to Hermes from the Greek period. Yeah. And I think Mercury, I don't know. I'm zoning out now, but. Yeah. Do you like Egyptian history? Egyptian? Well, I've kind of been using, like, I don't know, just the idea of symbols.

Yeah, they use a lot of, all humans of every civilization starts off with, like, symbols. So it's almost like where we got emojis going as hard as they do. Now, you know what I mean? They are kind of like... That's like the modern day... Yeah, yeah. Symbolism and stuff. And I went to art school and study art and all that kind of stuff.

You have an arts degree? Not quite yet. I'm probably like this close and don't even realize it. Has that ever happened? Your art's pretty sick, though. Yeah, I'm too busy making more art to get like... To finish school. Finish school.

Plus money. Like, yeah, money is fun. How much... How much time do you see? spend creating art and music and shit. Oh, all day every day. Well, even when I'm working, don't tell my job. You don't tell them.

No one listens to that. They won't listen to this shit. Yeah, man, I'm always constantly running through ideas. I have, like, multiple notebooks in my car. So I'll, like, stop the car and write something down or wait until I get a red light. Sometimes I miss whatever I have in my head. Explain your sunglasses to people who don't know what that is. Okay.

So this is my band. Catatonic scripts. Yeah, this is my band. So now I have catatonic vision. What does that mean? What is the meaning of catatonic scripts? I don't know. When you're young and they try to put you on all those psych meds and stuff,

and you start reading like the stuff that's on the back of those psych meds, and they're like, whoa, this can cause me to go catatonic. So it's like catatonic prescriptions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to help. They're trying to help my health. Did you have any kind of...

The side effects could be. Catatonia. Catatonia is the disease. Okay. Did you have early experience with being prescribed medications when you were a kid? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it all started when I dated a girl that's mom was a psychiatrist or a church. Really?

Yeah. She kind of just instigated that realm of thinking. Who? Who? My dad was completely... Miller's mom. Well, that's, yeah. And just the medical industry completely is, I don't know.

Yeah, I study a lot of weird stuff. What were you prescribed? What medications were you prescribed? This is almost... Probably 15 years ago. Yeah, I really... I don't know. At one point in time, I was upset about a lot of things that went down,

and I said something that I thought I regretted. So I took myself to a hospital. I had no intention of, like, harming myself or anyone else, but they try to immediately assume that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? Like the medical industry, even if you call the VA hospital, which I have to, because I work for a pizza shop and deliver there all the time, when I'm calling their phone number to call the extension, they're there to remind you, like, if you're feeling suicidal, hang up and call 911. And I'm like, well, I wasn't. So you said something about it. Yeah, and it's even more scary because the.

The VA is on Highway 666. So not only am I terrified of bringing symbols that some people might think I don't understand on my arms. I'm scared of that highway 666. You're scared of it. Isn't that ironic? It's some fatal accidents on it, though. It is so ironic that the VA is on Highway 666. Yeah, I never really thought of that.

I love Highway 666. There's got to be hundreds of VAs all over the country, though. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, we have a song from my other band. so this is the band I'm currently focusing on right now Catatonic scripts But then I had another side project with a homie named Jet Jet what up

Called No Room to Talk Hey bump his His levels up just a scotch because he's He's kind of quiet Just I don't want to have to fuck with it in post All right go ahead He's two yeah Yeah so I have another

Project called No Room to Talk and I was really trying to aim for older garage punk rock sounds like misfits but almost like mixing elements of surf rock not really sounding like surf rock but like pulling those tones and like playing them differently. So we have a song called Highway 666. Like have you heard of I'm sure you have bad brains? Yeah. Like that kind of surf rock, that shit that you see in like old lost movies.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because we actually recorded. that on a reel-to-reel system with a recording company local in St. Pete. I think they're studios in Tampa now, but they're called Yoko Fono. Cool. What kind of... So it gives you more of that analog tone. It feels like you're etching into the tape when you're recording,

whereas digitally, it feels different to me. What do you mean etching? What does that mean? I don't know. The only way I can explain reel-the-reel to digital recording is like when you listen to it later, It sounds like it was carved into stone. You know what I mean? Like there's an actual substance that's...

It feels more analog. Right. Kind of like when they kind of carve it into vinyl records and stuff. Yeah, yeah. There's something... I don't even know. It's almost like a movie that puts you in a place. Right?

That you can't explain until somebody else, like, sees it for themselves. Like Fight Club or the Matrix. You know what I mean? And kids nowadays aren't even interested in those thought-provoking, films. It's all like short attention. Just dumped down. Yeah, kids are all, they're too busy being hopped up on Adderall and ADHD meds. Yeah, dude. And my friend is like struggling with getting his life together. A lot of it has to do just all kinds of different things going on his life. But he's like debating

whether he has ADHD or autism. And I'm looking at the symptoms that they like associate with that. All the symptoms are natural, normal human behavior. Basically anything now, right? Yeah. Anybody could fall into the spectrum as they say. And the medication they're giving him is pretty much methamphetamine, right? Isn't that what Adderall?

Yeah, basically is? Oh, yeah. And man, the meth addiction that I've been hearing about and stuff in different cities, not around here, but like. Have you been paying attention to the Olympics at all? A little bit. There's that girl who's the gold medal. the Simone, I forget her last name.

Simone Biles. Simone Biles. She just quit and everyone's like shitting on her online. Everyone's hating on her super hard. Well, she says it's mental health disorder, but what happened was there's actually a story that snuck through on the insider, I think it was. Forget the name of the, forget the article, but you can probably find it Austin.

But she had a prescription to an HD, ADHD medication. Yeah, there it is. She had a prescription to Ridland or Adderall. And she's been on it for how, who knows how long, six, probably at least six years. And for Tokyo, they banned any kind of ADHD medicine. So she wasn't allowed to take it.

So apparently right before the Tokyo Olympics, she had to get off it completely. So when was ADHD, like, really starting to be used as a popular diagnosis? Or, like, when was it really coined as even a phrase or a term? Because I started looking at terms like schizophrenia just to see, like, where did this come from? Where was it, it's origin? Yeah. And that one turned out being this guy that happened to be a Freemason from 1901. And I was like, Red Flag, Red Flag.

Really? Yeah. He coined the term schizophrenia? Yeah, basically. He was the first doctor to start using that diagnosis. That's fucking weird, huh? Yeah. It's always the Freemasons.

Well, yeah. In 19th, the beginning of the century, the 1900s was kind of insane. and if you really like reanalyze it, I started looking at a lot of occult images and videos and just a, well, even Hollywood itself. Like the term Hollywood is literally referring to like what witches at the time used to make their wands out of Hollywood. Hmm.

Holywood? Holly. Maybe they just, I thought it might have been holy wood. Maybe they just renamed a holly. I don't think witches did holy shit. Well, they do. but it could be.

It is. It could be an association with. The devil, the devil at one point was, the devil was created by God and he was an angel. Allegedly. Then he got sent to hell. Allegedly. It's in the Bible.

It's written in stone. Actually, I don't, I'm not sure if that is written in stone, but. But yeah, so anyways, imagine being this girl who, you know, you've been on this ADHD speed methamphetamine medication for the last five years. And all of a sudden. all these meds too.

All of a sudden they take it away from you and then you have to fucking figure out life without it. Like you've got to, if you're that hooked on something and then get taken away. The best way to fix problems is to make bigger problems. Maybe it could have been just like she was so good. They had to figure out a way to like take away everything that she has.

Well no. I guess basically they were using meth. Find a way to find someone else to win. You know what I mean? It was like a military. Well, I'm sure it dials her in, right? I mean, that's what that drug kind of does. I mean, the Nazis in German were using methamphetamine. Wasn't it also what they were doing?

That's how they marched from country to country. All zipped up. Oh, God. That's insane. It was also that they ran out of Adderall in France. That's why the flag fell down. I'm just joking. I was going to go with that.

Isn't that also what they gave the Japanese during the Pearl Harbor, the Japanese fucking pilot. flying their planes into the ships and shit. I'm sure they were on methamphetamine. Well, I'm sure they were, but at the same time, I also found out that, like, we were always taught to believe that those Japanese, like, flew straight over, like, knowing they'd run out of gas

and just eventually crash and murder or kill or whatever, right? But, like, I found out they actually took over, like, a base that wasn't far from Hawaii first, so they probably had a lot more opportunity to fuel up and stuff. So, like, the narrative I, grew up learning turned out to be slightly different sure because yeah the johnston atoll was like a man-made barge that they put in the middle of the ocean so there's like no way that pearl harbor wasn't like warned by their barge yeah yeah so yeah what is the uh what is the

narrative that that some they knew about our government knew about that and it could have been avoided right that i think some people i personally believe that our government made like a tradeoff with the Japanese government. The elites of our government were working with the elites of their government because it's all money game in. Everything is about money. By them attacking Pearl Harbor, what did that do? We got to test out nuclear weapons.

Yay. Like, hooray. Yeah. It's a great excuse. Convenient excuse, right? Yeah. And you know what? The first nuclear bomb testing was, or where it was done?

Arizona, right? It was a McDonald's. farm ranch like a McDonald's family for the restaurant I'm not 100% sure it was a McDonald's family but I can only assume you know what I mean

it would make sense who else would it be what about one of the Coke brothers it could have been one of their farms yeah the hamburger either way it's like wait one of these Fortune 500 companies was involved in nuclear weapons

and then I just started looking at that McDonald's and we were talking about symbolism really and stuff, right? Yeah. The McDonald's logo almost looks like a bomb with a trajectory. Can you find out

where the first nuclear bomb test was in the U.S.? Or a McDonald's logo conspiracy? Either one will wear it. I already, I'm going to make a song eventually where it's like the giant arches, but it's really an explosion.

I think I've already got it in a sketchbook somewhere. It's just not like done properly. The world's first nuclear explosion occurred in New Mexico. South of New Mexico. Who owned it? Did Ronald McDonald own it?

Oh yeah, it was called the Trinity site. Ronald. The Trinity site. Hmm. Is that what it's called? Bro, I saw a video on Instagram the other day. Like Kelly Slater reposted, and it was an underwater nuclear bomb test

where they showed a nuclear bomb going off underwater, and it was fucking insane. The water went like miles into the air. That's crazy. Must have killed so many fish. They expect. exploded a microwave out back. Your friends do?

When did they do this? They've done it a couple times, but this was the last time, I'm pretty sure. How? Steve's not working there anymore, because he got a different job. And then,

I guess the police got involved. Where it worked? Somebody at the bus stop was worried about shraddnal, and because everybody wanted to denial them, and it got... How would they go about blowing up a microwave out back?

Well, it was just a broken microwave, and they had like Just stick some tinfoil in it Some metal in it No it wasn't functioning It wasn't hooked in It was just like something to put Quarterstick of dynamite

Yeah I wasn't there Allegedly I'm already terrified of like Anything You're schizophrenic No No

Well I don't know They could probably diagnose me that If they wanted to Yeah What do you diagnose yourself with That's the most important thing Happy I'm just joking, I'm miserable.

You're miserable? No, no. I don't know. I'm doing all right right now. Figuring some stuff out. Everybody's confused this day and age with, are we going on lockdown again now? Yeah, I think we are going on lockdown.

Florida, I think, took the prize again for number one. I don't know what the status. Every other member of every other state coming here. Yeah, I mean, everybody's here. Yeah, what do you think about the COVID-19? This episode of the podcast is brought to you by NordVPN. Think about all the fun things that you do online. Watching Netflix shows, shopping, enjoying your morning coffee with free Wi-Fi.

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Of course, I haven't had television in my home for like 10 years. That's probably good. And I'm staying with my father temporarily, and I was like flipping through channels. And the only thing that it is to watch is like, oh, this terrifying, horrifying, news or contagion. Contagian. That was the only thing on the other night in South Park, which is really accurate as the news. Yeah.

But, yeah, it's, I don't know, I think there's a lot of stuff going on. There can be a lot of misguidance and a lot of our society likes to follow a platform. And I think we have to be able to move within and without. the platform or like yeah our society just has like a process they like to run with and i feel like they're stick to the story they're eliminating any other possibilities like even that that condominium in miami how crazy is that shit what happened yeah and nobody's worried about like was there slumlords like running the place you know what i mean like why isn't that a topic at all that i've noticed Yeah, it got blown over pretty quick, it seems like.

Well, it was more about recovering the bodies and identifying them. Not about the problem. Yeah, no. Well, they did, I think they did, I saw something that they were going to try to, like, change some sort of rules when it comes to the, like, maintaining the infrastructure of hotels and, like, high rises along the ocean along the coastline. But at the same time. Because I think the, I think the mandate or the rules are that they have to have some sort of, like, strong. structural inspection. I think it's like every 20 years maybe.

40 years. Yeah, it's every 40 years. They have to have some sort of like, some sort of. What's the structural inspection? A structural inspection. Just like your elevator has to be inspected every three years or whatever. So I think they did something about that. I'm not 100% sure, but there's got to be so many more buildings that are like that.

That are structurally compromised. Especially next to the ocean. The way that it fell down, like watching it, it didn't look like. They look like building seven. Ding, ding, ding. It kind of looked like, I don't know, it all fell down at once. It didn't make sense as far as my brain. It's about things falling apart.

What were the other potential possibilities of why it collapsed? Like a control demolition of some sort. What was in there? What were they hiding in there? Yeah, why would they get rid of that? Why would they do a controlled demolition of a condo building? A friend of my at work told me that I should look into this. but I never got around to it.

And it is a lot of speculation, but he said something. Who's this guy? Just a co-worker. It doesn't co-work with me anymore. Okay, he got fired? No, he actually moved on. For stealing money out of the register? Yeah, yeah.

No. Yeah, he brought it up to my attention. He was like, oh, there was some idea that a lot of the people that were living in the buildings were related to people that knew information about certain things. They were queuing on? things. Oh, yep.

It was a Q and on convention center there. Yeah. I forget what I heard too, but I heard something like there was certain people in there of interest or Yeah. Family members. Some people with some documentation or something I can't remember. That could know some stuff that they wouldn't want other people than that.

That seems a little crazy that they would demolish a whole building full of people. Yeah. With the condition of the building. Well, there could be a different reason too, I guess. Like, there could be money. But does everything have to be a conspiracy? Does every

fucking weird thing that happens Have to be a government conspiracy? I think there's a problem When everyone thinks that Oh yeah, They said John McAfee owns something Oh, I remember We talked about this.

There was a Q&ON conspiracy theory That were Q&N Believe that John McAfee owned the condo And he had a bunch of files He had a bunch of dirt on people That was he was storing there or something And that's why they demolished it Oh

So this debunks it He says he didn't own it What does that say claim? The late John McCaffey, the creator of McCaffey Antivirus Software owned a unit in the condo building that partially collapsed on Thursday.

Okay, that was the claim that he owned a unit in that building. 31 terabytes of files. So what is the conclusion? What does it say? The facts keep going. It was a fake tweet. There was a fake tweet. Someone said he owned a unit there. That's the problem with the internet. That's the problem with the internet.

There's always some assholes on there who's going to try to make some some fucking bogus claim that all the QAnon people will just grab onto and ride into the sunset. Well, how do you know these people are telling the truth? That's the problem. You don't. That's the problem. What's this QAnon thing?

I don't really know much about it. You don't know what QAnon is? No. It's this group of, it's basically a group of super hardcore right-wing Trump supporters. I think mostly... Well, there's a problem right there. Like, why are we associating conspiracy theories to those people? Because it's true. If you if you if you asked them all they were they were all all a Q and on people are are I think this is pretty well known. They're all Trump supporters. There's no left wing, uh, Q and on people. They're all, they all believe. They all believe that there is a deep state, uh, human trafficking ring that's tied I guess to the Clintons and Epstein where it's like like human child trafficking. And they believe that Donald Trump is like God's chosen Messiah to save.

to basically to expose the human trafficking ring from the corrupt deep state. That's what they, if you even look up what their beliefs are. Yeah, they will, they will,

Satanic cannibalistic pedophiles. Yeah, what if it's all true except for the part about Donald Trump being like the profit of it? Well, here's the thing, here's the problem with it, okay?

If Donald Trump was some guy who was going to, who was, going to expose and save the world from a child from cannibal child pedophiles wouldn't he have bragged about it by now i mean he he literally toots his own horn about everything he's involved in it that well i mean who knows who knows if this shit even exists but the fact that you think don't trump's going to be the one that like the superhero that saves everybody from it is kind of crazy yeah definitely not but i don't know it just seems like the q-in-on group they're more like

angry people, you know, angry people who the world is kind of like shut out. They live in their mom's basement. They really know how they have really no other happiness in their lives. There's no shining light. And they just use the internet to... So they're basically being psychologically abused by a source that funds Q&ON. Possibly. Have you heard...

So it's almost like a... Yeah, a lot of people that storm the capital were Q&on people. It's like a double switch or... Yeah. What if they're all hired guns? that's possible. You see their video When they storm the Capitol

There's actual video Of police letting people Through the gates So I'm starting to realize Like the Beatles I think they were Or their fans were like Hired guns at the beginning

To like stir up the mania You know what I mean If I pay a 200 girls To scream their heads off Yeah In an auditorium Why not And film it

And then tell the rest of the world With media Yeah That this is the best thing That there's ever Has been Yeah that's interesting I mean, that's all it takes, right?

Yeah. Where did you hear this? I've never heard that before. I found out that the Beatles were actually introduced on CBS exactly two hours before JFK was assassinated. What? Yeah, so the theory is that JFK was assassinated, and they were using this band to drive the young youth of America stir crazy.

And then when the Beatles kind of started to figure it out, and they weren't going to play ball quite as well. well as they were and that's when they started putting like codes in their lyrics and stuff to distract to distract people at that point they were trying to whistle blow through symbolism and like other methods whistleblow to who though in audience you know what i mean like if i write a song but i want to tell you something but i don't want to directly tell you i can just like lead you into it what sort of messages were they trying to convey through their music Well, at the beginning, they were trying to, they had a song called Taxman.

And it was basically, like, they took the Batman theme song because it was popular on TV at the time. And they made it Taxman. And, yeah, can we put that song on, Taxman? We'll probably get, we'll get copyrighted. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, or even just pull up the lyrics, maybe. Lyrics, the Taxman? Yeah.

Beatles bumped. Fab Four. were supposed to be on CBS news the night of the JFK assassination. They were in the morning. Wow. 55. 50 years ago, Friday. See, within three months after the assassination, all the British invasion was going down.

Wow. So do you think the Beatles being put on CBS was to distract people from the JFK shit? Well, I think that's why the mania was created. You know what I mean? Just to spice it up a little more Yeah, everybody all round up Yeah, who's the most popular artist right now? M&M still.

Right now? Yeah, yeah, who's the bees' knees these days? That's a good question. I guess it depends what fucking is it Taylor Swift still? I don't know. I think Wala Palooza. Kanye. Lala Palooza had food fighters and Miley Cyrus headlining.

Really? Yeah, I don't know. Miley's popping still. Well, that's crazy, bro. Damn, that's crazy. Damn. It is fucking hot as shit in here. Well, okay, so, like, a lot, uh, Bob Dylan was, like, singing songs and messages to get everybody stirred up sort of.

And there's a theory that Bob Dylan was, well, yeah, there's, there was a conspiracy theory about Bob Dylan that kind of went under overpast, overlooked. What was that conspiracy? That he died in 1966. in a motorcycle accident outside of Woodstock. So I've kind of developed my own little theory that maybe Woodstock was actually like a celebration that the public had recognized that Bob Dylan was killed in this motorcycle accident, and that's why they had the concert there. And the flowers didn't really represent what everybody thinks it is, like, hippie love,

like maybe it was a funeral. For Bob Dylan. Yeah. But how far, how, he was, it was after, he died after? He went into a huge hiatus. Uh-huh. From, I was looking this up the other day. It was, uh, I sound like an idiot right now, but I don't even know Bob Dylan's still alive.

He is. That's what's creepy. Is all these artists that are like possibly killed and replaced? Uh-huh. Yeah, dude. They do say that about it. It's weird. Like, if you watch the first performance of,

Bob Dylan after his accident, which didn't come out to like 1971 or something. So he went into hiding from like 1966 to 1971. And I really think that that's why Jimmy Hendrix covered all

along the watchtower. He thought the dude died and he shredded it. Oh yeah. Wow. So like what if that's the case? What if that's why they had to get rid of Jimmy? Because nobody could fake being Jimmy. No.

Bob Dylan was kind of the end of that little era at that point. So him going on a hiatus and coming back with record label money, you could easily like disguise somebody in there. I'm going to start a new band called The Lookalikes. We're just going to like look like other people. What kind of people? I don't even know. We'll switch it up, the Blue Man Group.

How many bands do you have? none that matter how many though I don't know we were gonna do this thing where we can come up with a new band every hour that's a lot of babies was it going to be the same members

just a bunch of bands yeah we could always put a different name on it no matter what yeah what's the problem with changing your name what is the problem is it's harder to market it if you have a different name every day yeah we're not worried about marketing

they're not on that level you probably should be you probably should be well at least you're having fun. Maybe one day. Yeah, it's about just doing your thing, right? Do you guys make, any money with catatonic scripts? Do you guys, like, get paid to do shows? Oh, yeah, we make money at shows. Not like an outstanding amount or anything, but that's probably on our own marketing fault. Yeah. It sounds like you need a manager. Music is just in a weird place, too. We need money to have a manager.

True. So there's a manager out there that wants to work for free. Pro bono. Holler at us. we'll find they're out there somewhere I'm sure there is no we're actually working on a new album we have a new lineup I've been working on these songs for a really long time so I'm stoked that we

me and the other two guys Tyler and Joe What up Joe What up Tyler Where's Steve at Is he around anymore He was playing bass for us

For us for a while Steve is sick What's Steve So this dude Steve Rosezic he's sick He plays all sorts of instruments But You actually recorded

He's super Or helped us mix and master this album. Yeah. And recorded. Wow. The artwork is super dope on it. You do all those artwork. Do you draw all that?

Yeah. Yeah. Here, hold it up for the... Hold it next to your face. I'm too busy like making artwork and shit. Pull it back more. Pull it up. There you go.

There we go. There we go. Yeah. So what is that on the cover? What is that? I was trying to find like a dope place with a tree that just like was growing out of control and went from park to park in the county. and came across this one.

And I was like, whoa, that's it. Is that an astronaut? Yeah, yeah. Me and my drummer are on the cover because we were kind of the only two persistent members at the time. We actually took all these photos to where we're actually in the image three times a piece. And then this astronaut character is in there three times.

So it's definitely like a weird photo. So we're kind of like tucked. I'm up here. in the tree. He's over here in the tree. I'm over there on the tree again. He's there again. And then me and him again at the bottom.

And then the astronauts like in there. Wow. An astronaut in the woods. Yeah, yeah. It's like he's rediscovering Earth or something. Did the astronaut take some psychedelic mushrooms? Yeah, but he's just lost in the woods. He doesn't know what planet he's on.

Yeah, where am I? He's like, this planet's tight, though. Yeah, yeah. And what's the inside? It just represents self-discovery and stuff. What's that? It almost looks like architecture or just like dinosaur bones and who knows what could really kill them.

Maybe it was a nuke sent from the future. Ooh, a nuke sent from the time travel aliens. Yeah, what if that's what Pompeii was? From tall whites. We never know, dude. Yeah. What if the Nazis? Have you thought a lot about that?

A little bit, especially after watching that movie, Tenet. I've never seen that. I mean, either. No, it's like the newest Christopher Nolan movie. Tennant? Or wait. Sounds familiar. Is that the director's name?

Christopher Nolan? Yeah, he did Batman. Yeah, he did Batman. Yeah. He also did Inception. What's it about? Tennant. Oh, I've heard of that.

Can you find the trailer for Tenant? Yeah, there's all this symbolism and he, a lot of, the whole movie is like half of it goes backwards. And this character's trying to go through it backwards. Full screen out. Yeah, it was like the first movie I saw during COVID because it was the only one they released. I guess he was stoked about releasing it regardless. I just saw a movie with that guy in it too. I like went to it a second time and took notes because all the symbolism I was noticing.

Yeah, it's always good to watch Christopher note. Christopher Nolan's movies twice. Yeah. Well, the term tenant actually comes from this thing called the Sator Square. And the Sator Square was a symbol that people kept on their homes in, like, Pompeii and stuff. And because this movie is about time travel. Really? A hundred percent.

Or not even time travel, just moving backwards in time. Yeah, so they found out some way to make matter. Is that the guy from Twilight? So somebody in the future is selling reversible ammo to people. What? Yeah. And the arms dealer's name actually relates to that Cator Square. The opening scene correlates with it.

This movie looks dope, dude. It does look pretty cool. See, and I'm already doing reverse stuff in my videos and stuff too. So I'm like, oh, I have to go see this. Do you do your own music videos? Yeah, yeah. So what does this have to do with Pomp? Pompey?

Well, the Sator Square. What is, okay. So really, the movie has nothing to do with Pompeii. So what is Sator Square? If you pull that up, it'd make a lot more sense. It's basically the square where if you spell tenant, up and down and across with the end being shared. Google Sator Square. So if you spell out Sator Square.

No, tenant. Oh, I'm sorry. If you spell out the word tenant. Yeah, like across and down, like in a cross, right? The N is the only letter being borrowed early. Right. And then if you spell Sator at the top, and then Rhotas at the bottom, and you really got to see it.

It's hard for me to kind of explain. All right. He's looking it up. Sator Square. Yeah. After watching the movie, the first and second time, or the first time I started like looking like anybody finding Easter eggs in this movie. That's what I like to do.

I like movies that have Easter eggs. Google Image it. Little hidden messages that only the director knows is there, and hopefully somebody catches it. That was it, yep. Okay, what are we looking at? Okay, yeah, so this symbol, I guess the Christians of the Tom of Pompeii would have this Sator Square.

It's called a Magic Square. Click on the one, the second row all the way to the left. To the left. That one, yeah. All right, Sator. Aripo, Tenet, Opera, ROTOS. Yeah, so if you look at the letters backwards, it works. Oh, wow.

Yeah, and what's even creepier is that it works in reverse speech, too. It's not just a spelling. Like if you say those words, Aropa, Aripo, Tenet, Opera. Right, operas. Roto's Rer backwards. What the fuck. Rotos is Sator backwards.

So what is the, what is the, of this thing. Well, any time that the... Go to that black one, it says, did you know, it tells you about it? Yeah, right there. Okay, did you know? The Satur Square is the world's oldest

two-d-paint-pandrome. Palindrome. Palindrome, okay, new word. Found in the ruins of Pompeii. It was believed to have magic powers because it contains five connected... I forget the word again. Palindromes.

Each of the Latin words, Sator, Aripo, Tenant, and Opera, and Rotos can be read bottom to top top to bottom left to right and right to left that's weird so they found this in pompey in the remains of pompe yeah yeah and since this movie was about time travel and things going backwards it made me think like whoa what if pompe's volcano eruption wasn't a volcano eruption what if even in a science fiction movie do they do they reference this thing at all in the movie uh that the the satore square

The main antagonist's name is Sator. The opening scene of the movie is an opera. One of the company's names in the background is like one of the other phrases. I'd have to watch it again. I saw it twice last year. What if Oprah was part of it? Oprah. What if Oprah time traveled and she was the one of sent her new?

She's been with Doc. Doc and Marty. Rick and Morty. Yeah, see They went into time That's true, bro Fuck What if Rick and Morty

Fucking sent Oprah back in time To nuke Pompeii Yeah, I don't really necessarily Believe in time travel But because of the movie Was about backwards matter And arms dealers I was like, whoa, that would be interesting

I think it's possible aliens Are time travelers You know that people see like aliens They think they see aliens And they get abducted by aliens Don't you think those could be time travelers? I thought yeah the guy that put the ketamine in your drink

or GHB? No, bro. Like there's people that actually have like Vivided accounts of being abducted by aliens. Like Travis Walton, you ever heard of him? No, I haven't, no. He's this guy who's this logger who was out in Arizona with like eight other loggers and they were all in like their 20s or whatever

and they saw this glowing light in the woods after like a long day of cutting trees. And they all saw this kid. He ran out like Travis was one of them. He saw this bright light, got out of the truck, ran towards it and they fucking all saw him get sucked up into the ship and then he disappeared for like five days and no one knew where the fuck he was the they arrested all the other kids they thought they thought that he that they murdered him or something they were all like no they all

had the same exact story these kids are like early 20s and then um and then five days later he shows up fucking he finds a phone booth and calls his parents and then he he just tells the story and then as soon as he gets back before he even got to see his friends he told the story he told the story of what happened and it was identical to what his friend said. Yeah. And there's been literally, and, and anyways, it's fucking insane if you actually listen to the story. There's a whole documentary about it too. It's called, I think it's called Fire in the Sky.

Okay. But, um, anyways, I forget what I'll speak out. Oh, yeah, time traveling aliens. Oh, that's what it was? But, I mean, how else would they get here? How else would they get here? You think they travel fucking quadrillions of light years? You just cut a little hole in time and come right through and come

see us fucking drooling baboons with nuclear weapons trying to kill each other and see what we're doing yeah yeah well i also think what if it was like the russians it's always the russians that could be too could be the what if it was my band and we just had people dressed up as aliens are you that are you on that level that would be pretty cool catatonic scripts were known for abducting people and bringing them back yeah It's kind of looked like it's all white. No, I don't want to be in charge of abducting anyone, honestly. Yeah, it seems like a lot of responsible.

It seems like a hard job. Aliens got it rough. It's a tough job. They don't get paid enough. Even if those aliens did abduct somebody, like, for what purpose? To study us. Just like we, like, just like we abduct sharks out of the ocean and stick probes in them and follow where they've been, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do the same shift. We have to. But why? Why do we have to? I don't know. But like, I don't know.

Even landing on the moon, was it really that important? Did we really land on the moon? Even if we did, I wouldn't know. It looked kind of phony to me. Well, there's like theories that Stanley Kubrick was hired. Yeah. He was the hired gun. By NASA, right?

I'm sure it was more than just NASA was involved. I mean, he was already making films that had space. Right. And they wanted to figure out how he made it so real. 2001 Space Odyssey would have been 100% the reason. Yep. And then, I don't know, there's a lot of things about that movie The Shining he directed. And he put all these subliminal references.

There's actually a documentary called Room 237. And it's about all this extensive, elaborate, intentional, subliminal messaging through that movie. Really? Through the Shining? Yeah. What is the documentary called?

And he intentionally... Room 237? He intentionally changed a lot of the way the book was written almost like he didn't want to work on Stephen King's movie like it was contracted. So he made the movie his own. What the fuck? Yeah, Room 237.

It was something you could watch on YouTube before it was all monetized and stuff. Did they interview Stanley Kubrick in that movie, in that documentary? Do they ask him any of this stuff, like to his face? I think he was already dead. Oh, he was. Because he died during the production, or he died after the production of... The Shining?

No. What was the last movie he did? Eyes wide shut. That's another weird one, too. Which is weird because it's all about secret societies. Yeah. And like if you want to make it in this world, you have to join these secret societies. How did he die?

That's got to be a conspiracy. Well, that's what was weird, too, is like the day that that movie was released was almost like he picked that date for a reason. And I've noticed a lot of authors and writers and filmmakers and artists will release albums on specific days. Right. Yeah. Meaningful days. Yeah. Like, even I found out that John Lennon was interviewed on 9-11 the same year that the World Trade Center.

was finished constructed. That when they finished building it? Yeah. The same day? Yeah, it was like not, no, no. No, that's just, that's gotta, what, no, he was on the news, or he was, fuck, I forgot what I even said.

But what would John Lennon, I mean, I don't know, I have a theory. You could say anybody, you could find a, you could find a fucking million celebrities who were interviewed on 9-11. Yeah, I'm sure of that, but not one that's killed. Not the date the towers were, were dropped. but I'm saying like any 9-11 before that.

No, John Lennon's been dead since 81. So, like, I think he was trying to whistleblow a lot of stuff. And I think he knew that they were building the World Trade Center to tear them down. What? Yeah. To manipulate our society to do something called manufacturing consent. So, yeah, we were talking about the Beatles earlier. And how the Beatles may or may not.

have been used by our press and our media to kind of tone down the feelings about JFK being assassinated. And then it's the reason they needed to get rid of JFK was because they needed to build these buildings. And he was already trying to spill the beans about secret society. If you listen to JFK's last speech before he was assassinated, he clearly brings up that there's secret society. and they're getting away with like the most atrocious things you'd ever imagine right yeah he said he's

the one that coined the term conspiracy is he really yeah basically without speech he's like there's a conspiracy that is so beyond any humans comprehension like that's what he sounds like when he says it's he's like literally addressing the people like could you imagine all this shit that he knew well he was the the CIA wanted to get rid of him because of the bay of pigs right because he didn't want anything to do with that stuff right yeah he was trying to like get rid of all that so like I think that they couldn't even get away or they already had the plans on building the world trade center and like do you know when it was built it was built in 1960 1960 was when they first was started breaking ground for the first tower. But like they had to have already been kind of organizing the city to build something that big. Definitely. Since like probably 66.

Wow. So I almost feel like the funding of the moon landing might have been to fund other things involved with those towers. The funding of the moon landing. Yeah, just the money that they pulled in. And I also think the moon landing, like, sure, great. We landed there, right? What was the real objective to put televisions in every home? You know what I mean?

And the television is used as a tool to make people move this way and move that way and look at this and look at that. Were there TVs already during the moon landing? There were, but they're not every single household. Is the idea that if something so groundbreaking is happening that if you don't have a TV, everybody wants to watch. You felt left out of the loop. It would have been like Facebook. Right.

10 years after Facebook. Yeah. Because some people didn't care the whole time. Right. We were also racing with what we were also like had the space race like we were trying to do before Russia. Right. That would have been maybe that were working together just to put televisions in our homes. Yeah.

Get your TV. Get it fixed. Nowadays we got like 50 televisions in every room. I know. I was just thinking about that. Televisions in our pockets. I was just trying to like read you. Television is what we're driving.

Everyone, every room in your house. Like, you base the... Toilet bowl. You base the layout of... You base the layout of every room in your house based on where the TV is going to go. Yeah. Yeah, I have this idea for a film I'd really like to make, but I don't have time or money, so it'll never happen. What's it about?

Maybe I'll help you make it. Yeah, I was actually thinking that'd be cool, dude. So it'd be about this character that has a disease called Hypergraphia. It's this addiction to writing. Uh-huh. Right? like it keeps me up all night writing and writing and writing. Yeah.

So this character would have a house that has all this writing written all over the household, like the furniture. Walls and shit. Yeah, yeah. So the idea is that, I don't know, I think you'd start the movie out, like the pan and the words and everybody involved, right? And you're just panning across all this furniture, all this manic writing on it.

And that would intrigue, like, somebody like, whoa, what's going on? This is not normal. and then like maybe somebody's knocking on the door invites themselves in and then they find the dude that's writing and he's still writing like in a different room on some other furniture but then I was thinking like he's writing about stuff

and this stuff is going to be related to these little facts and these little connections and these little dots so it'd be basically like the way a detective's room works when they're using those strings and stuff you know what I mean like this connects to that and that connects to this so and like I was thinking having the television in the middle of the room would and then having all the information coming off of the television so like each room has like different information that kind of goes

along with the room it's like the living room I have information about the moon landing and like other things that are hugely televised. What were the two biggest televised things, 9-11 and the moon landing? And maybe now COVID, because it's been on the news for two years. They win. Yeah, they win.

Wow. They beat the moon landing. God damn. With money and like marketing and media. Yeah. So it's like, what if the moon landing was really just to put televisions at everybody's homes?

And then the World Trade Center was really just to like put people under this spell if you're under control like there's nothing you can do about it. You've got to rely on the government. Interesting. Yeah, it's a fear tactic. You know what I mean?

Yeah. What's crazy is my grandfather was, I never knew my grandfather on my mother's side. So I've only met my mom's father one time. And he was the foreman of the Iron Workers Union that built the World Trade Center. So I grew up with my mom's father. mom telling me about going to the World Trade Center while it was being built.

That's really the only reason I even looked up. When was it being built? Because who thinks about that? When was the building? When was the construction complete? What year do you know? 1971. See, and that's why I think John Lennon went on to national television, knowing that they

finished it and knowing that they might have planned on doing this thing on 9-11. What year were you born? And think about it. a 9-1-1 created as an emergency phone call. Like, nobody even thinks about those details. Like, when? Hold on to look it up. You said you grew up with your mom trying to get you to go watch your...

No, my mom grew up in New York while the World Trade Center was being built. Okay. Yeah. And your mom went to go see her dad building it? Yeah, she probably went to the ceremonies when it was done. I think, yeah, and I, I, I, looked up like who built the buildings like the architect because it was the company that built it was called Koch my mom told me that and I've looked it up and it's kind of misleading some of this

stuff about the World Trade Center it's like you can't really I couldn't find my grandfather's name involved anywhere yeah but I know that it's not made up that he was part of this my mom even showed me like a card that they gave them for the holidays like the year they finished it. So like I have like proof no one else would ever have. What is this? What is this, Austin? Manufacturing consent. Oh yeah.

Yeah, that's basically like if I tell you that you need security on your home and then you're like, oh, I'll be all right. And then I rob your house the next day and don't tell you that I did it. And then I convince you, sure you don't need the security? It sounds like you need it now. Yeah. I was even thinking that maybe the Manson murders, what if they were staged in L.A.

And what if they were used to popularize security? Because what was security like in L.A. before then? Probably low. You know what I mean? February 16, that's when... The same year. The same year. Booyah. Connecting dots all day.

So 9-1-1. I told you, I'd have to confirm the Emergency Hotline was created the same year. The World Trade Center was built. And guess the guy that, the architect that built it, guess what else he built? Danny's mind-blown right now.

He built the Federal Reserve. It just connected. Yeah, bro. Who is, what's his name? I don't know because it's, Hey, by the way, this episode is 100% getting shadow man on YouTube. He's Japanese. He is, do you remember his name?

The Federal Reserve. I was already saying, I think that our governments, when we were talking about Pearl Harbor and the bomb being dropped, right? I thought our governments were like, hey, you let us do this, we'll let you do this. We both win. We know what these bombs will do. We terrify every other country in the world. Right. Look, we win together.

Because there's like a massive connection between Japan and Hawaii. There always has been. LBJ that ended up in office after JFK. he's actually directly related to Obama. How so? Like their bloodline. Oh, really? It's like his uncle or something.

It's Obama's from Hawaii. And that's where LBJ like spent. That's where Pearl Harbor was. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then what was the last quarter that came out with the bat symbol on? Yeah. Right when COVID hit?

That's weird, bro. What the fuck? How weird? is that? Why did they do that? Contagion? But it's that. What did they bring it to the bat? I've never seen Contagion. I didn't either until it was on TV the other day. I've seen it before, but I don't know. So see the broadcasting what they want us to believe.

Like television has been used to broadcast. Well, I don't know. It's about, yeah. It kind of like desensitized it. It makes sense why they want television, why they would want televisions in all the homes to control people through fear. To control people through propaganda. Yeah. And to make people believe. certain narratives or to make people

to be able to control them through politics, like right and left, have everyone fighting against each other. Yeah, divide and conquer. Yamasaki was the architect World Trade Center in New York City, which was briefly the tallest building in the world, was designed by Yamasaki. Wow. He also built

another twin towers. Minora Yamasaki. In California, called like the Twosaki. Twin Century Towers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I guess, like, when you watch Fight Club at the end, when all those buildings were split. I think those are in Santa Monica. I think those were the Twin Towers, which kind of looked like the Twin Towers.

And he actually built them, too, looked like the Twin Towers. Probably the same material, same structural design, just different. Those didn't collapse, did they? Not, no. Not yet. In Fight Club. In Fight Club, they did. See, that's what's crazy.

The Flit Club came out, like, 1999. Oh, my God. Right, and it was about taking down the stock market basically, right, the plot, basically. Yeah. And then at the end, what was crazy is when I was younger and we were watching that movie, we rented it from Blockbuster. Yeah, let's watch this. Me and my brother, we go home and watching it.

My mom walks in at the end of the movie when the buildings are falling down. And like I said, her father built the Twin Towers. So when she saw those towers going down, just walking in the room for two seconds, she was like turn that movie off i don't like it like all this and that was before nine 11 she didn't even make the association and like wow that happened two years later or three years later and then what i didn't realize is that the buildings that fell in that movie were a different two towers that this guy happened to build the same guy that's like different from the century towers

he built both the Century Towers and the Twin Towers. Right. So if it was a reference to the Twin Towers falling, they used a reference to the other Twin Towers, the same got built. That is really weird, isn't it? That's a strange coincidence. It's hard to avoid, it's hard to avoid those kind of coincidences.

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. My perspective on it was, I was a little kid watching this movie in 1999. My mom's walking in the room, and she saw those buildings going down. My grandmother took us

to the World Trade Center one year before it went down. It was almost like she might have known because her husband at the time was constructing it. Like I feel like that could have been a huge part of why she got divorced and took the kids down here to Florida.

Get away. There's no way the fucking construction companies knew about that shit. Well, he wasn't, he was the foreman. Even the foreman, bro. I don't know, dude. They're not going to tell might be working hand in hand with that guy we had a pull up there he would have to be no bro the foreman there's no way there's the foreman are so far down the ladder from the people that are funding this

shit and they would never let those the foreman are yeah but they're building the architect he had to have at least met that architect yeah but do you really even think the architect knew this kind of stuff this like deep state conspiracy the federal reserve he definitely knows so if If there is any secret entrances in and out of this building, this guy knew, and probably the foreman. Yeah. Because, like, when it went down, it wasn't. Is this guy still alive, Yamasaki? No.

He's born in 1912, so doubt it. Okay. See, that same time period where things were getting rough. 1912, that's like the same time period. So one of the first Hollywood blockbuster films was a birth of a nation. Are you familiar with that film at all? birth of a nation It was like this radical propaganda film

Black and White Silent promoting the KKK It was the first movie shown in the White House What? Yeah The KKK was booming

In 1990 Right But that movie was a lead grossing film Until Gone with the Wind came out So it had like a 30 year pedestal. How the birth of a nation revived

the Klu Klux Klan. Wait, what did that top part say? The very top part. D.W. Griffith's controversial epic 1915 film about the Civil War and the Reconstruction depicted the Ku Klux Klan as valiant saviors of the post-war

South ravaged by northern carpetbaggers and freed black people. Wow. Look, they even got the KKK horse. Fucking dude. a knight on a horse. Wow, that's fucking crazy. That horse has no idea what he's doing, bro.

So that's like the first big blockbuster film. Yeah, if, if anybody wants to say anybody's racist, say it's Hollywood, because Hollywood was funded by this. Off this movie. Yeah, look, it was like the lead grossing film for like 30 years until gone with the wind came out.

What motivates you to research all this stuff? I just see little things and red flags, dude, was killed. Just like who? Paul from the Beatles. Oh. You guys have heard that conspiracy, right?

No. I guess there's statistics that when that conspiracy was rolling, like, what is that? 61%. So, like, I was saying Bob Dylan could have been killed and replaced, but he actually had time between when the new guy came out, there was like a hiatus. Right.

So that helps. Yeah. Well, when the rumor of Paul. being dead was well it's because like I said the government was helping the Beatles out over here and there's all kinds of rumors that the Beatles were being put on LSD with and without them knowing it so like George Harrison from the Beatles was on the Dick Kavik show and he was interviewed and Dick Kavick was kind of being like what is it gas he was gaslighting George Harrison and he was like George like why are you guys admitting

on national television, international television that you guys do drugs. Like, isn't that irresponsible to your young viewers? And George Harrison just responded, like, so professionally. He was like, well, is it my responsibility to lie about what you asked me? Don't ask the question. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you don't want to know the answer.

And then he was talking about LSD and he was like, yeah, the first time we did LSD, we didn't even know we were on it. We were at our doctor's house. and he had given us some coffee. Sidney Gottlieb? What's that? I never mind. I don't know who that is.

Okay, I'll explain after you finish the story. Sorry to interrupt. No, but that was pretty much the end of the story. Oh, was it? At the perfect time. Sidney Gottlieb was a guy chemist who was hired by the, he was like the CIA's lead chemist. They called him the Poisoner in Chief,

and he developed the program called MK Ultra. Yeah, yeah, this is all about MK. Ultra. Yeah. And that goes back to like the whole Charles, I just had a guy on here who spent the last 20 years of his life writing a book about Charles Manson. It's called Chaos. And it basically debunks all of the known narratives about the Manson murders, the La Bianca tape murders. And it basically explains how Manson kept getting let out of prison when you shouldn't have been and kept violating parole and getting let out.

And how him and they were visiting this free clinic in San Francisco. And him and all of his hippie followers, they were going to this free. clinic and they were getting LSD. Yeah, yeah. And it's basically, I'll go back to all that. If you listen to the Hotel California backwards, it's a, there's references almost like that was the spot to get the LSD from the operatives to Hotel California. What?

Yeah. If you play Hotel California backwards. Yeah. What does it do? Well, first of all, the guitar riff sounds identical both ways. So that was pretty impressive. Can you try to find that like on YouTube? That won't get copyright.

written if you play it backwards. That's all I do. I cover songs backwards now. I'm the first ever. No, leave it up. It's fine. Well, maybe, I might not be the first ever, but. Whatever, just tape it up.

I've been covering songs backwards. Really? What made you want to do that? Yeah, last time I saw you, you were actually, I saw you a couple times your band play, and then, like, the last time I saw you were doing, like, some of the same music, but playing it in reverse. Or even live as well.

I think you were recording music in reverse and playing. it live and reverse or something you said. Well, yeah, I found this method. So we were talking about phonetic palindrum. Or we were talking about palindromes. Right, palindrum is one. Hold on. Here's Hotel California backwards. Okay, yeah, this is always fun.

Tell me that doesn't sound the same. It is. It does sound like the regular song. Yeah, it does. It's almost identical. So this was supposed to direct people to do what? To buy LSD from the Hotel California. Or at least I think. they're telling a story of what might have really been going on at the

Hotel California. What is the actual Hotel California? I don't know, but I heard that the fake Paul McCartney was like staying there a lot and there's like rumors that he might have been directly influencing the Manson family. What? Yeah.

Because there's like, the Beatles were connected to the Manson murders. Yeah, well, one of the guys... Yeah, but the Heltter-Skelter-Skelter thing was debunked. He copied that from somebody. Manston, they copy that whole... You can turn it off now. He wanted to... Oh, yeah, health or...

It was directly related, but it wasn't directly related as far as... Paul says it wasn't. Right. The prosecutor... Okay, put that on backwards. The prosecutor for the fucking Manson trial, he wrote the book.

He literally, like, during the whole entire trial, he hired a writer to be sitting in on the trial so he could write a book about it. Yeah. The guy was absolutely... fucking nuts. The guy, the, uh, the head prosecutor, I forget his name. Um, Boliosi, Vincent Boliosi. And, uh, but Manson was basically raised by the prison system. He was a product. Yeah, he was. Right. He was. So what's more terrifying? All the shit he did or that? Right. But he was a product. He was a two-bit

criminal his whole entire life. Just like stealing cars, robbing grocery stores and just doing like, who wasn't? Right. I'm just right. Exactly. But, I mean, going from that to fucking brainwashing people with LSD. It's easy to destroy credibility. You know what I mean? Like any musician at any point in time can be like pointed the finger at them and heroin addicts. Right. You know what I mean?

And like, I don't know if it's always true. It's like anytime some rock star dies. suicide or this or that. Like Kurt Cobain. Yeah, dude. I don't know. I like to think that Kurt faked his death. Like Elvis.

Yeah. And if you listen to Hard Shaped Box backwards, he pretty much tells you he faked his death. Do you listen to a lot of music backwards? I write music backwards. How do you write music backwards? Like, oh, you mean you take existing music and you rewrite it backwards? No, I just make small phrases.

I have an app on my phone called I Reverse Speech. Oh, right? And then I can record small phrases like. Yeah, show me an example. Blood in the water. Hurdle when they dull. So backwards, it should sound vaguely similar. Logged in the water.

all when they hit all. Whoa. Yeah, sometimes it's really clear. Sometimes it can be a little shaky. So you record a whole song that's like this? It's played in reverse. Yeah, I've been doing this thing where I've been trying to expose phonetic reversal as a real thing by making it so obvious by repeating what I'm saying backwards and forwards.

Because, see, it was Alistair Crowley that started doing reverse speech. and popularized it. And that's why it's associated with like heavy metal and Satanism because he was a Satanist. Or at least he was like the leader. For people listening, who is Alistair Crowley? Alistair Crowley was, let's say Hitler was envious of Crowley.

He was crazy. He did like a ton of black magic. Yeah. Some really weird fucking shit. Yeah. So like who knows? They said he was like the most influential. influential man of the world.

There's Alistair Crowley. At one point in time, yeah. There was a lot of musicians that would like rent his estate and record albums there after he died. That's where Led Zeppelin recorded their album. A lot of big guys. Jimmy Page, yeah. Alistair Crowley's. Yeah, this guy was super crazy.

Huh. But he's how I kind of figured out about who is the guy. Freemasonry and Secret Society and how relevant it really is. Who is even? Who is the guy who was in? California who had like a church of Satan. Anton. Anton LeVay.

Was he in anywhere, any way related? Probably knew this guy's books. Yeah. From words and backwards. Yeah. See, and that's what's creepy is, reverse speech was kind of created in a way to affect people's minds

without them being aware of it. Right? But I'm trying to expose it. So I feel like... Reverse speech was created. to how so well our brains interpret speech and a message right our brains interpret speech

both forwards and backwards according to some of the stuff I've been reading without us being conscious of it well we are kind of con well it's our subconscious so we're not yeah we're not consciously aware of it but at the same time like we were talking about palindrones

earlier mom is a palindrome it's identical backwards and forwards dad is phonetically backwards and forwards right hurt poop poop um let's yeah they're spelled backwards and forwards but they just sound the same actually work in speech too so like oh okay mom dad dad dad mom sounds pretty close yeah like you can kind of like manipulate it by listening and So you're saying popular cultural American songs have hidden messages in there that are intended to brainwash people somehow? Or maybe just send a message. It could just be a secret message.

Like if you listen to Nirvana stuff backwards, hard-shaped box. Yeah, but nobody listens to it backwards, though. A few years ago, you could find all this reverse stuff online. Yeah, people used to. It's been monetized now. Like, people actually made lyric video, so you could follow the lyrics. Like, one of the best songs backwards, thriller. Really?

Why? Because the message he was trying to portray, like, he's, like, okay, basically, like, I got a new song I'm working on called pop music. And this is the first time I'm going to try to use reverse speech where I'm not repeating what I'm saying both ways. And it's going to go, like, this is not oh wait I'm singing it forwards instead of backwards guess weem pop on say Sith This is not pop mew sake

Wow that sounds creepy as hell Did you hear what it says? This is not pop music Yeah Yeah So I'm gonna call the song pop music It's gonna sound like this forwards Yes weem pop on say sith

And then This is no Oh, fuck me, we'll say. That's backwards. So you're gonna, it's gonna play normally, but backwards. So the way to hear it the correct way is that people reverse it. Yeah. That's some next level of shit right now, right.

It sounds like nonsense forwards, right. It sounds like. Are there any popular songs like that that Nirvana or anyone has done that sounds complete bullshit like nothing forward and you have to play in reverse? Like, is there any proof that they were in intentionally doing that? That's what I noticed is, uh, A lot of Nirvana's lyrics were always hard for me to interpret. I could barely hear what he's saying, half the words.

Well, that's because he was fucked up, right? No, it's because he's singing backwards, dude. Really? Here, put on Nirvana backwards, and you'll see how clear it is. What's the best song? What's the best song? In bloom. In bloom?

Here, and this is why it's the best one. Okay. He says something in the lyrics backwards about the system being messed up or, like, screw up the system. and half the video is them playing in like this white collar kind of atmosphere and then half the video is them wearing dresses, throwing them stuff on the stage around and it happens to be a solar system.

So while he's singing backwards, screw up the system. Find the music video for it. They're actually throwing the solar system around. Oh, you want to hear it reverse first. Oh, yeah, we've got to hit reverse. They should have it with the video somewhere. But even the guitar sounds attainable.

Yeah. Well, basically, even if no one else is saying that they're doing it, I'm saying I'm doing it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And these are also that person's interpretation of the lyrics. Right, because it doesn't sound identical to what he's typing on that. No, and sometimes people will make videos and they'll just write gibberish underneath it to, like, kind of void even looking into it. Yeah.

Because there were videos that were like, too, a T. That's good. But doesn't he almost sound like he's clear? Yeah, some of the stuff forward isn't clear I'm sure drugs make it sound more clear Depending on what you're like if you take some Some mushrooms or you smoke a lot of pot or eat No no that's when I stopped doing all that

Like once yeah What? Yeah What do you mean you stopped? I don't know once I figure it out all those secret stuff It's like I don't need any of those drugs to figure it out anymore I already figured it out like So that was like the vessel that got you there

I don't know, yeah Yeah, like I liked Messing around with mushrooms a little bit But I only liked really microdosing at any point Whenever I took more than that Because I like to be in control of my body I like to be able to go running If I feel like it or something like that

Yeah When was the first time you took mushrooms Oh, I don't know When I was like 18 or 19? Really Hanging with some friends, were you there? I might have been. I've never taken them.

Oh, no? Never. Oh, yeah, I think you were asking them though. I don't know where to get them. I do. Oh, okay. But I've never taken them. Did you take them a lot?

Like through your teenage years and through your 20s? No, man, really seldomly when I was younger. I didn't start early like kind of messing around with it until I was an adult at home on my own. like yeah and i don't really like doing it around a lot of other people or anything no nobody does though right i don't know it all depends and there's just certain movies that like you're gonna be sitting there for four hours anyway yeah why not yeah go watch the matrix with a microdose you're gonna be like whoa really you're already gonna be like whoa if you haven't seen it right right because it's a mind bender for sure yeah we're supposed to get another one of those soon yeah they said

they're making another one. Yeah. Are they gonna use Keanu Reeves again? I don't know. I heard he's coming back, but... They have to. I think they're creating a new cast. And Lawrence Fishburn.

They're gonna bring them back as like recycled. Yeah, you got it. Resurrection Jesus. Yeah. It's like what they did with Terminator. Like they, they recreated. They basically...

But I don't know if Morpheus is coming back. Can you have the Matrix? Why? He's still a fucking FBI detective in every true crime show on TV. He was in contagion. Was he really? Yeah. actually the contagion cast was stacked.

I want to rewatch that movie. It's not even worth watching. You're living it right now. Yeah, right. For real. For real. It's kind of boring movie. It was groundbreaking at the time because we weren't living through it.

Remember during all the fucking the civil rights riots in the streets a year ago when COVID was like the fourth thing on the news was like number four. It was like the fourth most popular story. I like how you called it Civil Rights riots, but that's not the message anybody got across. It was the George Floyd riots with all the cop cars burning, people pouring kerosy on abandoned cop cars and throwing bricks through windows.

Yeah, yeah. That was the pandemic. Racism is the pandemic. Is it already? No, that's what the headlines were saying. Oh, yeah. When all that was happening. Yeah, the headlines sharing a title like that

just stirs, up that kind of angst. For sure. Yeah. The media's got us fooled. Actually, the term media was like supposed to like an old spirit.

Yeah, it's like associated with like a, like a spirit. Isn't really? Yeah. What kind of the spirit? I don't know. Our way no, I'm just,

maybe I'm mixing it up television shows with reality now. Do you ever hide it hard to do? distinguish the difference between reality and television television not one little flave or flaves in the room you think we live in a simulation I hope so because this shit's boring maybe life's better outside the simulation

you think trying to find out uh-oh what are you going to do on plug it yeah I'm ready to pull the fucking plug yeah yeah uh you'll play You brought your guitar? Yeah, I got some... You got any new jams? Maybe. Open your eyes? No.

Remember that one? That's a classic. You don't? I remember it, but I don't remember it. I can't perform it. What could you perform for us, man? Got any new hits? Um...

Yeah, let's see what we got. What's trending on the billboard right now for catatonic scripts? Nothing's trending on the billboards. What's trending on the billboards right now is Mars Volta. Really? Yeah, dude. They finally released De Laos in the Comatorium on vinyl. And it's like number one or number two on the vinyl billboard charts.

Really? Yeah. I haven't heard of Mars Volta in 10 years, I feel like. Probably more. See, I listen to a lot of their that band's offshunds. They have like 20 other bands. That's where I got my idea of like making a new band every week.

Isn't, um, what the fuck's that guy's name? It's in Mars. The guy who made the documentary about suing the record label. What's the fucking guy's name? Because they were. The guy who played the Joker and he's also in a band, 30 seconds to Mars. Oh, okay. I'm thinking of 30 seconds.

Jared Ledo? Jared Leto. Yeah, yeah. I was getting 30 seconds to Mars and Mars Volta mixed up. The Joker? Yeah, he was the Joker. That was the worst Joker of all time for sure. Well, did you see him in the Snyder's cut?

That one wasn't too bad. No. Angle that mic towards your guitar. What is this song? I don't know. I've got to think about which one. You do it just focus? I can give you a sample of that one we did, or that song.

One of the phrases that I showed you on the reverse thing. Okay. This song's called Blood in the Water. I was trying to use like color symbolism. There it goes. Oh, that's not it. Hold on. Take a sip.

Loeb up the vocal cords. This one's called Blood in the Water. Yep. Black ass crow. Now they're pouring blood all over your ass snow. Black ass crow. Now they're pouring. All heard your book claw.

Dull mural Prath one. Work sat cow. One sat ill. Small heard your book claw. Dull mural Prath one. Work sat cow. One set ill. Water.

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