Danny Jones Podcast - #111 - Is Gabby Petito's Fiancé a Psychopath? | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: September 23, 2021

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What's up, world? We're back again with America's favorite con man, Matthew B. Cox. On this episode, we talk about Matt's latest documentary about to be released in Europe, where they create the con man Olympics in which Matt actually represents the USA. We're very proud of Matt for that. Matt also gives his take on the current trial getting started with Elizabeth Holmes and her company, Theranos, in which she defrauded investors committed wire fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. Matt makes his predictions on what the outcome of that trial is going to be.

And also towards the end of the conversation, we get into the latest developments of the Gabby Petito murder investigation and the Florida man who's currently on the run. It's crazy out there in Florida right now. We got hurricanes everywhere, murderers on the run. Luckily, we have Matt Cox here to keep us entertained through all of it. So, without further ado, please welcome the man who needs no introduction, especially to the FBI and Secret Service, Matthew B. Cox.

All right, what's going on? What do you mean? I don't know. Hey, Matt, we're back. We're back. Waguan. Matt Cox. What's up, Matt? Welcome back to the show, Matt Cox.

The FBI's Most Wanted Con Man. Still not, Ron. Still not. Top 10. America's Most Wanted Top 10. I was on the Secret Service. I was number one of the Secret Services. That's what I meant.

That's what I meant. How's, how you been, man? How's life going, bud? I mean, it's going okay. What are you been doing lately? What do you've been up to? Been working? I just got back from Amsterdam.

That sounds like a place I want to go. How'd that go? You would like Amsterdam. I like Amsterdam. Yeah. I just don't, I just wasn't, you know, able to do any of the things. Partake in the extracurricular activities. Yes, exactly.

What did you do? Why were you in Amsterdam? Why did you go to Amsterdam? Um, there's a, there's a, a, a series called the psychology of a con artist. They did a, they're doing a six part series. Scoot the mic a little bit. You don't have your headphones. You can't tell how good your voice is.

Oh, you want me to put them on? Yeah, if you don't mind. You could probably turn his mic up ahead. So, bro, I go to Amstram, right? And like, are you nervous? With the girlfriend. You went with the girlfriend? No, no, no, I'm saying I'm dating this chick.

And then as soon as I get back, boom, we wreck up. Why? Oh, honestly, I never get an exact answer. The answer that I typically get is so ridiculous. It's not you. Yeah, it's a whole it's not you. It's not going to work. You've heard this before.

It's ridiculous. Is this the same girl you broke up with before? We talked about in the last podcast. First of all, I've never broken up with her. She breaks that with me. She breaks out with me every three or four months, and it goes three days, maybe four days, and then she starts texting,

this is killing me, you know, and I can't stop thinking about you. And then, you know, and of course I reciprocate, you know, I'm angry, but whatever. And it goes back and forth, and then she comes over, and then she comes back and forth for, you know, comes over for three or four weeks,

and then it's like, you know, can we start seeing it just see each other again? I made a mistake. So we get back together. We're back together. Everything fine. Three months later, boom, same thing. It's never going to work.

We're too different. We're totally different people. Well, obviously, like, we have nothing in common. It doesn't seem to be an issue. We talk all the time. We joke around. We have fun. We don't argue.

It's just not going to work. Okay, well, like, I'm always like, look, if you're banging somebody else, like, tell me that. Tell me you're nailing somebody else. And I'll be like, okay, yeah, we are done. But it's never that. Tell me. Why would that be the thing that you need to hear? Well, I mean, because I think that would be, it would be a nice, clean cut.

Like, it's okay, this is a clear, this is clearly not working. You're nailing some other guy. We're done. See you. But simply saying, we get along. I'm in love with you. I love the sex. I love being around you.

I love talking to you. I have fun when I'm with you. But it's never going to work. But the words don't match the actions. Why? Like, tell me, tell me, I'm talking. She's 34. Right now I'm 52, she's 34.

Like, it's 18, it's always been an 18 year difference, obviously. It's like, 18 year difference. Like, tell me I'm too old for you. And she's like, you're not too old for you. She's like, I don't look 34 and you don't look 52. She's like, we basically look like we're the same. We both look like we're in our 40s. And she's like, so it's not that.

I'm like, okay, well, you know, tell me it's, like, give me a reason that makes sense. And she's like, I just can't. I'm like, tell me you're not in love with. Say, look, you know, I'm not in love with you. Like I'm just not in love with you. Like, you know how, you know, you know what I'm saying? It's like, look, I've tried. I like you're cool.

I like hanging out with you, but it's just never going to become love for me. Like, tell me that. Like, I get that. You know, I could be like, you're right. I can't make you be in love with me. And she's like, it's not that. I am in love with you. I think about you all the time.

I this. It's like, it's just not going to work. Okay, you know what? I mean, so, and that's what it was this time. So it's just done. And only this time I knew it was serious because. And this, I told you this. This is so stupid.

I know it's stupid. And I've heard people say it when I was locked up, like I'd heard people say stuff like this on TV. And I always thought, that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. This is how I know it's serious. This is how I knew that was it. She's serious this time. Yeah. Within a day or two, she changed her relationship status on Facebook.

That's it, bro. It's over. It's real. It's real. Because you've got to think before when we would not see each other for whatever, four or five days. or a week and then we just we were just kind of sleeping together she never changed never once this time within a day boom done it's like wow okay that's so funny how people in their fifties the people in their 50s the people in our 50s act the way we used to act like in high school about social media because when we were

in high school we probably would worry about a girl a girl changing their social status of being single in relationship or whatever you don't even know what I'm going through you're married it's over like you don't even remember what it was like to be pathetic and and feel insecure and like to you Yes, I do. You're like, ah, you don't need her. Yes, I do. I'm always saying, you don't need her. When you've got some chick, you're always the guy's like, fuck her.

Yeah, because you're living with someone. You've got her locked down. It's over. You're all good. It becomes fuck her. But when it's you, it's like, fuck, this is the worst. But it's so weird. Why can't you just be happy just playing the field, doing your work, and just

banging random broads? Because I'm 52 and it's all. almost over. Like I, my best years are way past me. They're gone. You don't, you're not good in solitary. You need a cellmate. I absolutely. I need a sellmate. I need someone who's down, who's going to be down with me for the whole thing. That's what I need. You know? Yep. You know. And the worst thing is too, like it is, I know, like part of it, I get it because, like, she didn't want to move in. And so I knew when she didn't want, when she, we first met and she did want to move in,

then she didn't want to move in. And I always knew that was an issue. But as we started talking, I started realizing the major issue is it's hard to fight with me. Like I'm very easy to get along with. I almost never draw a line in the sand. I never have 100% opinions. This is the way it is.

Like, I'm totally okay if we don't agree on the same subjects. I'm pretty easy going. You want to do this. Okay, well, I wanted to do this. But if this is important to you, then it's important to me. I want to do it. Like, I'm available almost all the time because I work for myself. So all of these

things make me a guy that's difficult to not get along with and not. Which probably drives some women crazy. Right. It makes her nuts because I'm always available. I'm always this. I don't argue. I don't. So I guess in her mind, maybe she's just like, maybe she's just not interested or disinterested or I don't fight or argue with her or. She needs a challenge. Maybe she needs, I keep telling her, I say, look, I get it. You want a guy that drives a forklift that will come home drunk you'll have to she wants shame right you're gonna have to i'm checking off a few of those boxes keep going couple d ui's three for three six three every three months you got to get him out of jail he's six three right you know what I'm saying yeah exactly yeah six three yeah so yeah and I even said that one time tell me that I'm too short

tell me that like I mean this is how comical it is when we're arguing when when every time we We break up. This is how much I go, tell me that, like, I'll make, I'll make, and she's like, it's not that. I'm like, tell me that it's, you know, and she's, make anything other than this ridiculously stupid answer. What do you think it really is? What do you think the real answer is? I mean, I think she's just not in love with me. But she's, but I'm easy to go along with.

I'm fun to be around. I'm funny. I'm not, like, the last time she broke up and got back together with me, here's what she said. Okay. Listen, if you aren't already gambling and betting on sports, you need to be. Because I've been cashing in big for the last two months after I signed up with MyBooky.ag. I fucking love MyBooky AG. I was using MyBooky way before they reached out to sponsor the show.

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concrete K-O-N-C-R-E, and you're going to get matched up to $500 on your first deposit. So do it now. Back to the show. After we broke up for a few days, then we start sleeping together again. She's coming over three, four days a week now. And then, so after a month or so, this was how we got back together.

She said, I would be stupid not to be. with you. You're a great guy. So I would be stupid for us not to be. I don't know what I was thinking. It's just stupid for me not to be with you. Well, that's not because you're kind of a catch and you're easy to get along with and you're a nice guy and you're funny. That would be stupid for me not to be with you. Well, you should really just want to be with me because you're in love. Like, and so what happens is three months later, I just think she's just not in love, you know? That's probably the case. It probably is the case. Right. And she's, She just doesn't want to say it because she doesn't want to hurt my feelings.

And I even said that. Like, look, you're not going to hurt my feelings, okay? It's impossible for you to hurt my feelings. Why can't you just take this input and just do the math. One plus one is two. Why can't you just walk away from it? Why can't you put it to bed? Because I love her.

You know, like, you know, those pathetic guy, those pathetic women that, like, you know, he's beating you every night. But I love him. Yeah. That's how I feel when I say that. You know, because I did it because, you know, I, I love being around her and seeing her and being around her. And, you know, but whatever. I mean, it's fine. It's over.

So I'll figure it out. I'll work it out. I always, I do it. She'll be back in three weeks. It's one of the, it's one of the, uh, it's one of the worst things that human beings have to deal with is the same thing that you're going through. It's just relationship problems and so many people suffer because of that. And I always wonder if like, like, down the road through whether it's some sort of, some sort of technological enhancement, like, like the Elon Musk's neuro. Neurlink, where we'll have the ability to flip a switch and just turn off an emotion.

What was that movie, was it Reliqui for a Dream or something? I forget, where Requiem for a Dream. Was that Requiem for a Dream? Yep. So it was where they removed the memory of the girl. I don't know if it's the same movie. Oh, I haven't seen it in so long. It was Jim Carrey, and he was in love with this chick, and he goes to some guy who can remove the memory of a person.

Really? Right. Oh yeah, that's exactly what we need. Right. And so Jim Carrey's kind of going a little crazy because he feels like something's missing, but he doesn't know what it is. And the guy actually, they actually mail out these cards to all your friends and family and explain this is what's happened.

This is a procedure. Do not mention this person to him. And then somebody at some point, I think, shows him the card. And then like he goes back to the doctor and he tries to say, I want to know what's happening, who is she, where is she, what's going on, what did you do? It's a whole thing. I need to watch this again. I need that doctor.

Yeah, you do need that. That's what I need. Yeah, but I mean, what if you could do? I mean, sometime in the future, there's got to be a way to where you can do it without, you don't, not really, like deleting. It's Jared Lido. Oh, it is it? It's Jared Lido.

Yeah. Jared Lido. No, no, no, no. Okay, then it's the wrong movie. This was Jim Carrey. This guy was. Are you sure? I'm sure it was Jim Carrey and they removed it.

Well, it was obviously I got the name of the movie wrong. Well, it's hard to get the name of that movie wrong. That's a very, very famous movie. It sounds like the story you're talking about, maybe. Really? What is it? Requium for a dream. Anyways, can you pull it up on there? But there's got to be a way. Maybe it's a different movie.

There's going to be a way for, like, not to delete the memory, just to delete the emotion. Because, you know, just make it. Then you're basically a robot. I mean, that's what a robot is. It's just got an emotion. Right. But if it's an emotion that's going to benefit you to turn off and you're suffering and you're depressed because of what motion

is that love? Instead of taking instead of fucking, instead of drinking alcohol and take it popping pills and smoking, trying to bury the motions. You just flip a switch and you can just get rid of it the negative feelings and maybe reverse it into a positive feeling or something. Ooh. Ooh. I got it. I got it.

It's called it's eternal sunshine. Eternal sunshine. Eternal sunshine. Oh wait. Of the spotless mind. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That's it right there. Can you text me that?

Sure. It's amazing. I don't want to say it's an amazing. It's an interesting movie. Kate Winslet? Kate Winslow? Yeah. And so like he's programmed to forget her.

There's a couple good ones in there. David Cross? Hmm. Good stuff. Good stuff. So yeah. So I go to Amsterdam. Yeah.

Why'd you go to Amsterdam? Okay, I went to Amsterdam because there's a documentary company. they contacted me like whatever. They contacted me like a year ago. And then there was the COVID thing. It was like in the middle of the COVID thing. And they were trying to work out,

how do we get you over here? I literally, so they're doing a six-part series on the psychology of a con artist. They are doing like one on a guy from like Germany, one from a guy from France, one guy's from the UK, one guy's from whatever. And then I'm the guy, I'm the guy, they chose from like the United States.

So you're representing the United States. Representing Danny as the United States best con men. And the conman Olympics, you're representing the United States. I mean, you would think they'd get Belford or something. But yeah, I ended, what they said was that I was extremely forthcoming and willing to talk. No, he's immediately disqualified because he's a New Yorker. Why? I don't know.

You don't like New Yorkers? No, because he's a fucking New Yorker. He's Italian New York guy. He's, first of all, he's Italian, so he's automatically a pervert. Wow. And the subscribers just dropped. Like Cuomo. He's not perverted.

He's just Italian. He's not horny. He's just battalion. So he's just got that, he's just got that, I don't know, he's just a salesman, really. He is a salesman, but I think speaking a salesman is kind of a part, a little con man. Yeah, you go out to be a little con need to be a salesman. Yeah. Yeah.

But there's a difference between a guy like, he. him and a guy like you. There's a very, very obvious difference. Talking to a guy like him and then talking to a guy like you. He's just one of those, like, he just reminds me of every high energy sales hustler guy. He's a hustler, really. Right. He's not a pyramid scheme. You're more of like a

pump and dump scheme. Yeah, he's a pump and dumper. Yeah. You're more of like a... Hitting the vault. You're thought out. Everything you did was well planned out, well thought out. He was bringing companies public. I mean, he was thought out.

He was thought out. Like he was. No, but not to the level that you were doing it. You were literally. It's a little more one-on-one, maybe. He was $102 million. Like, I mean, I wasn't at that scale. But I hear what you're saying.

But you were creating and manufacturing identifications. You were buying social security numbers. He was really kind of working in a gray area that was, it was all seemingly legit. And he was really just cooking the books. So I get it. He wasn't like. he wasn't like running like scams and well and it was still a scam it just was more of a cook of the books type of deal and he was doing it all in his name and he was so yeah I totally

get okay I definitely see it was definitely mine was 100% in the gray or in the in the red and the black or whatever right right right yours was from start to finish right fraud like it was out to just it was a total scam right okay I get that so anyway yeah so they wanted to talk to me that I So they flew me out there. First of all, I had to get my judge to sign a... I had to apply in front of the judge to have permission to apply for my passport and leave the country. Not an easy task. I owe $6 million.

Two of my charges are passport fraud. One is... How the fuck did you pass this test? You go in and say, like, I know how this sounds. But I need a passport. And look, my argument to my attorney that put in the motion to the judge, I was like, listen, I think honestly, I said, I feel like, like, you know I don't need permission to get a passport. Like, I can get a passport. She was like, Matt. Don't go there. That's not an argument. I'm not even, don't, please don't joke about that. And I'm like, all right, I'm just saying. So I think that's part of the argument is like, look, Your Honor, I'm trying to do the right thing here. Showing up in good faith. Right. Like, don't make me go the other way. No, sure. Yeah. So. So anyway, so anyway, she went in front of him.

She said, look, this is how he makes his living. This is a thing. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And they said, okay, and he said, okay, fine. So my two charges, one was applying or applying for a passport, like fraudulently applying for a passport. And the other one was use of a fraudulent passport. So first you applied for several of them.

And then when you got them, you used them. Like, you didn't just get the thing, keep it. You went out of the country back and forth several times. So he said, okay, I'll let him get the passport, and yes, he can leave. So I got the passport. Do you know that when I used to apply for passports, you could get one in about 15 or 20 days if you paid the extra, like the expedited? No, I got one a couple of years ago in like less than a week. Yeah, well, guess what?

Now it's like, it's like eight weeks behind. Yeah. It took like between six and eight weeks for me to get one. Damn. So I get it. I go to Amsterdam. I get there. They put me up in a great hotel.

I was there eight days. Put me up in a great hotel. I walked around in the city. You know, I had a couple days here and there to myself, a few hours here, a few hours there. Like, that would have been awesome to be there with a chick. You run into any fans? Did I tell you that? What?

Did I tell you that about the guy? No. Get the fuck out of here. You're going to love this. What? Okay, so I go into, with my mask on, by the way, when I get to the airport, Tampa International Airport, I'm there standing in line and somebody came, one of the, Delta people come up to me. They say something to me and blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, yeah, yeah. I said, well, which line do I need to be in? Is this international, right? And they were like, yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, cool. And these two guys turn around. They're from Slovakia, by the way. This is in what airport?

Tampa International. Oh, okay. So they turn around, and the guys, they look at me. And the one guy goes, you were on a podcast or something, right? And I went, yeah, how'd you know that? And he goes, well, I recognize you. I got a mask on. And he goes, no, no, I recognize your voice.

And he said, yeah, yeah, you were on that, um, shoot, he goes, what's that fucking jerk off's name? And I go, Danny, I go, concrete. I knew immediately. And I go, Danny, and then the other guy goes, he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, concrete, concrete. He goes, with the K, they spell if I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's with a K, they spell if, yeah. And so his buddy, and I go, what do you get? Look, that's what he said.

I believe it. Did he really say jerk off? I believe. Yeah, they had a few choices. Yeah, he's always interrupting, he's this, he's that, I go. And yeah, I go, but you keep one. Same guys in the comments. I looked there.

I said, you, I go, you still watch it, though, don't you? He goes, well, he's got good guests, and it's, he's not, he's not bad. I mean, you know, so, um, so anyway, he said that and, and then he was like, hey, what do you, what do you think about this whole COVID thing? Do you know about this? And I went, here we go. What do you mean? And he goes, this whole COVID thing.

And I went, he goes, this is the biggest scam of them all. And I was like, what? And so he starts telling me about. how he thinks that this whole thing, it's all. You know, and there are those, the conspiracy guys, and I get it, you know, and there is some of that. First of all, thank you, Matt, for getting this podcast demonetized by YouTube.

I just realized that, too. I just realized that too when I said it. It's all right. Yeah, you have to clip that. It's all right. We'll leave it in. Fuck it. So anyway, he goes on and on about this whole thing, right?

I mean, he's right. Like, he's right. I don't doubt for a second. Oh, yeah, they'll flag it. Yeah. So he goes on and on about it. And he's like, and I was like, look, take you on my email. Semi's the stuff, the information, whatever, and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

And we talked and, you know, seemed like a nice guy. He's from Slovakia, I think, both of them were. He was going back there. He was, like, giving up his U.S. citizenship. Like, he had a whole. He's out of here. Super upset with the United States. Really?

Oh, yeah, he was all. He was had enough. Was he wearing a Make America Great again hat? No, but he was upset. Like, to me, I'm not going to Slovakia. I'm not giving up my U.S. citizenship, no matter how upset I am. So, yeah, he's upset. He's upset.

He had a whole thing. Wow. So what was he saying? Why did he say it was a scam? I mean, it was all, I didn't really get into it because we're in line and we're moving forward, and I'm trying to get on the plane. Not trying to get deep into conversation with this guy. Right, right.

And look, you know, people believe what they're going to believe. You know what I'm saying? I mean, who am I to say, like 10 years from now for all you knows what's going to happen? So, but the point is, is he was super upset about it. So anyway, that's one guy, or those are two guys, but he was the first one. Then I get to Amsterdam, and I forget the plug, I can't, you know, the plug that goes. in the wall. Yeah.

So I had a whole issue with my plug thing. So I go to one place, then I go to another place. I end up in a supermarket because I also forgot deodorant. So I'm walking around and buying this stuff that I forgot. I go in and get deodorant. And this guy walks by me in the supermarket. He walks by me, looks at me, look at him, keep walking. I get my deodorant.

I come back. And as I walk by, he goes, hey man. And I said, yeah, what's up? And he goes, I love your podcast, bro. And I go, get the fuck out of here. Are you serious? And he goes, yeah, man, I've watched a bunch of them. I watched you on concrete with that jerk Danny.

No, he didn't say that. Jerk off. No, he said, yeah, I watch you on the other one, the concrete with the two guys. And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, Danny and Hatrack. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, and Patrick, he was Bet David. I watched that one.

Like, he started naming off. I was like, wow, he's like, I've watched a bunch of your stuff. Nice. And I said, I've got a channel. Did you subscribe? And he goes, I didn't subscribe. I'm sorry. I did it right then.

I was like, all right. I said, you did the right thing. Yeah. So that was, I mean, in Amsterdam, that's pretty cool. Like, that was cool, bro. That's bad ass, bro. Yeah, that was awesome. How did that make you feel?

I felt great. I was like, this, this may be something. This may be something. You're on to something. Yeah. You're on a tear, Matthew Cox. You know why? All because my buddy Trian said,

You ought to get in touch with this guy, Danny. Really? It's so crazy, huh? My only option was try and get some articles made, put up a website. Like, I don't really know what to do. I want to do a true crime podcast. I don't know how to do it. Like, I don't know.

I was already kind of watching videos, and I didn't quite know, and it just happened to be, he was wrong. Like, the reason he wanted me to contact you was, like, you know, for real estate. And I was like, he's not going to, he's not going to talk to me about real estate. Yeah. He's like, well, would the, you know, he's like, well, would the, you know, other thing, the other thing, like, you got a story. You could, he interviews people.

I was like, nobody interested in my, my stuff. I don't know what you're talking about. I'll send him an email. Anyway, so yeah, that was pretty cool. So anyway, I go to the store, or go to the shop. It turns out that I thought, they kept pitching this thing as a documentary, right, on Con Men. So it's a documentary.

Yeah. Documentaries are typically low budget. Right. So. Relatively. Right. Right. I mean, there are other ones, right. There are the ones with reenactments.

But when I think of documentaries. But when I think of documentaries with reenactments, I typically think about, I typically think about like I almost got away with it, or which is one of the best ones is locked up abroad. Like, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, yeah. I saw a really good one recently where they had really fucking good reenactments.

What was that? Was it Netflix or something? It was Netflix. They're doing great ones. Like, they're really doing good reenactments. This one was, like, crazy with, like, cartoons and animations. I can't remember what it was right now. Well, so anyway, so I get there, and they had said, oh, there's going to be some B-roll and some reenactments.

Like, I felt like, okay, this is kind of low budget. Listen, so I get there. Man, this place, I was way wrong, bro. Like, this is, like, top-notch. Like, did I send you the pictures? You did. Oh, they've got- Fucking crazy. You know those red cameras, the camera, like, how much are those things?

They vary, like, the cheapest ones are 15,000, and they're in the hundreds of thousands. Like they've got like Every other camera I'm looking at it is red, red, red, red. I mean, they've got, it's just, it's huge. They've rebuilt all of these sets for the main set that they have. Like they have this huge set that they're using, which is like a museum and it's super ultra-modern. They've rebuilt all of these rooms in the museum inside of their, not studio, but what do you call it? Like the back lot.

It's, I don't know, whatever. It's like a huge building and they've got these rooms and. inside they got all these sets and it's like soundstage right away i start realizing surreal deal this is way big and then i'm like hey who's so there are you doing reenactments they're like yeah like who did you get to play me they they they pull up the pictures of the guy and i'm like really that's really not bad do you have a picture of him no i don't oh yeah i'd love to see the i should have got you to play yeah could you imagine them scouting the guy scouting the actors getting them to get getting them to do auditions to be mad cogs they were like they were like

he's your height, he's your size. They said he's, you know, they said he's about your body. Good hairline. Yeah, I was like, great. I was like, nice. Wow. It was good stuff. So anyway, I go there, I do that.

So that we spent like four or five days shooting. I was interviewed by all these different psychiatrists, took all these tests. Then I fly back, went to Atlanta. There was a bomb scare in Atlanta. So it was like four hours in Atlanta. I finally get on my plane. Oh, no, no, that's what I was going to tell.

That's what we were laughing about. When I got, when I get to, when I get to the United States. So when I went into Amsterdam, by the way, I walk up to passport control. I show him my passport. Guy looks at the passport and he goes, okay, he said, where are you staying? And I went, oh, man, I don't know. Hold on. I start looking through my paperwork.

And he goes, where are you here, business or pleasure? I go, oh, business. He goes, what's the name of the company? And I went, um, Tops. I don't know. It's in, it's like, I don't know, it was German or something. I don't know. I'm looking.

I'm looking. He's sitting there. He goes, whatever. Move on. Yeah, he goes, yeah, man, you're, you're okay. Just go. It's fine. I walk right in.

I'm like, that was easy. Done. We get, I get the United States after standing in line for whatever, 30, 40 minutes. When you're coming home. Coming in to the United States. Coming home. I get in there, walk through passport or, you know, in the line. The six or seven people in front of me, like, they walk

up, they flashed their passport. Boom, the guy goes, he scans it, he goes, okay, thank you. Next one. Thank you. Next one. Thank you. Thank you. I get there.

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. puts the passport way over here. Like I was going to snack it. It's like, I'm going to snap it out of his hand and run. Where am I going? And I was like, huh. And then he starts kind of, you know, looking through the, he's got the computers, but he's going down on the screen, right?

He's like not scanning, but whatever. he's click click click click click click click oh fuck click click click click he's going on and go i mean it's a lot he's sitting there and he looks at me and i go finally now i'm thinking that this is good it was you know and i went i said uh how bad is it and he goes well it is what it is and i was like i mean am i gonna make my flight he goes well you're definitely going to have to talk to somebody i can tell you that and as i go i was like I mean, I'm cutting it close on my flight. You know, I end up missing it anyway because of the bomb scare.

But I'm sitting there all of a sudden a guy comes walking down. I see him walking. The guy takes my passport, the guy I'm talking to, puts it in this thick, clear plastic bag with a zipper, zips it up and hands it to this guy who walks right up, grabs it. And he goes, you're going to have to follow me, Mr. Cox. And I was like, like, how does he know my name? I'm like, okay. So I follow him. I have to sit down for about five minutes while these guys are.

talking and talking and then finally they call me up and I walk up I mean I walk up and the guy's like so what's this about and I went I don't know I said I'm not sure I said he said you know what it's about and I went well I mean I assuming I was I I'm a felon I'm he is he is looking at he goes it's more than that I went and I went I thought okay you know It was funny before, because I know I'm good. And he goes, do you have anything? And I went, like, now I'm thinking, do they think I have drugs? Like, and I went, have anything?

He goes, yeah, I mean, you're on federal probation. He said, how did you leave the United States? And I go, well, I have permission. I wouldn't leave without permission. And he goes, oh, you'd be surprised how many people do. And I went, he goes, do you have anything? I said, yeah. I said, I have a travel permit from my probation officer.

And I said, I have a motion from my judge. says I'm allowed to leave the United States. And he looks at... All manufactured on Photoshop. Yeah, right. Oh, he was... He sat there and he goes, he said, what did you do?

It's like a Ponzi scheme or something? I went, no, no, it's real estate. It was just real estate. He's like, well, what is it? Because he said, you were, there was, he said, there's a, I forget, it wasn't a red notice. He didn't say a red notice.

He said something else with Interpol. He said, there's an Interpol such and such. He said, like a watch list or something. Right. And I went, I said, still and he goes and he went I mean no but there was he said and it was he said like what did you do I said well I was on the run for like three years he goes oh okay and I said I have multiple

passports and I go but that one's good and he goes okay and so we had this like 15 minute conversation and I'm like bro I mean honestly I said am I going to be able to make my flight he goes yeah yeah yeah let's just wrap this up okay so he scanned this and you don't subscribe yeah yeah subscribe to the podcast hey Can you do me a favor real quick before I go? So I leave. Then there was the bomb scare thing, and that was three hours later. But yeah, that was funny.

Wow. It was funny. Like, I really thought, I really felt like I was going to sail right. Yeah. Are you sweating? Are you nervous at that time? I wasn't nervous until he started doing, once I thought, okay, well, maybe it's, I didn't really think federal probation.

I just thought, felon. Like, I knew there had been what's called, like, what's called a red note. on me at one time and all that means is like arrest him immediately and hold you know hold this person not don't detain him like hold him yeah um and don't notify because they have other notices like look let them in but notify us but it wasn't that it would for me it was like no no you hold him um but so i thought it might be that but when then he said federal probation and then he was like do you have like when she gave when my probation officer she's given me travel permits before and nobody's ever asked me for any for it so when he's

he asked for it. I was like, oh, geez. Thank God I printed that thing out. Yeah. Like, nice. Got it. Thank God I brought the motion too. Is that the, is this the first time you left the country since you were released for prison? Well, I went to Puerto Rico. But you don't need a passport for Puerto Rico. Right, right. But they never asked me for anything. I walked in and out.

No big deal. Right. I wonder what they see on the computer when your name comes up. I'd love to see, like, because he doesn't know exactly what you did. He didn't. But he sees something. He, he, he, he saw something big. He only knew. Just a flashing red light. warning warning he only he only seemed like he knew it was financial or bank fraud or

wonder if they see like a dollar number or something or just charges maybe maybe the charges like i don't know and by that point i am concerned like at that point he's like he's not kind of laughing it off like i was i was laughing it off because i know i'm good right right then he starts like you know it made it made me feel like i was doing something wrong like i started feeling even though i know i'm not like i started feeling like i'm doing something wrong so That must be the best part of those guys' jobs. Making people sweat? No, just like meeting people like you.

Like seeing those interesting people come through, you know, with the crazy backgrounds or something crazy on Interpol, on the watch list or whatever. That must be like the, they come home from work. They got to Google you after that or something. Yeah, they come home from work. Who is this guy? Did anything new happen at work today, honey?

You'll never believe the guy I met today. He came through customs. Matthew Cox. You know, it's funny because whenever I meet someone, But typically I just talk to people. Like I'm just talking like you would talk to it. And every once in a while, somebody, something comes up. And I realize like when I get that, that shock look on their face or that what, I realize, oh, that's right.

That's not normal. Like, right, right. That's not. Because for me, it feels normal. Yeah. And then suddenly they're like, what, what? What do you mean? I'm like, oh, man, that's right.

Oh, see, okay, here. And then I'm like, I explain kind of real quick. I try and slim it down as quickly as possible. And then they're like, and then instead of them, they're like, oh, wow, that's interesting. Now they're like, bro, like, how did you that? And then I realize, here we go. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Like, this guy works. I forgot. This guy works. He works in, you know, he works in the mailman. He works in the warehouse at Walmart. So do this, the company that shot is shooting this documentary, producing this documentary. Is it a six-part series? Yes.

Do you know where it's going to be published? Do they already have it sold? Yeah, they says it's like, I want to say, I could be wrong, it was like four different networks in throughout Europe. Apparently they're like blocked off like this, these two countries are part of this network. And then one, the network, it's up, is it Prime Plus? Here in the United States or Prime.

And I guess you get so many channels with Prime and one of them's like Discovery 2, which is like all documentaries. Amazon, Brian. Oh, I'm sorry, Amazon. What did I just say? Prime Plus. Prime Plus, Amazon, I'm sorry, it's Amazon. So it's on, is it Amazon Prime?

Yeah, I mean. So Amazon Prime, and they've got, you get so many channels with that. And so you end up having like Discovery 2, which is like all documentaries, and it's going to be a part of that document those series. And I think it comes out in December. Oh, wow, that's quick. Right, but I don't think mine's done. I think they've done, they've edited like three of them and they're still editing.

Right. So, you know, so. Nice. I don't know how well. We should have a watch party here. and we can watch that's awesome listen this one this so the two male doctors were pretty cool right the female doctor but the psychiatrist um like she didn't like me why she immediately started you know i got this whole nancy grace feel you know where she hated me before as i walked in the room

like yeah and she just had this i could just tell she just this disdain for me and And as we talked, and I realized, and I'm trying to be nice and funny and joke around and, you know, be, you know, be charismatic or whatever, charming. And I'm trying to work on it. You're superficially charm. Absolutely charming. Yes. It's not working on her. No.

She's not having it. And then at one point. Hey, can you hit the AC over there? Yeah, I'm dying in here. You know how to do it? You never done it. What happens is at one point she starts in with, as well, she's asking questions. And she suddenly says, so you involved quite a few, you know, single mothers in your crime.

No. She said that. Yeah. And I went. She's a single mom. No, I know she's not. No? But she just, like, everything she was asking was normal.

Yeah. Up until, and then suddenly, boom. So anyway, she says something about mothers or women or single. And I went, what? And she goes, well, I understand you involve several, uh, several females in your crime. And I went. well no I said I involved

there were people involved in my crime I said a few of them happened to be single mothers but I said but I didn't involve them like you know pick them out yeah and I was like she's like well you were dating them right I was like well I dated a few women but most women in their 30s I go in the US you're 30 years old and you're single

you probably have a kid and she goes not all of them have a kid I said yeah yeah I understand not all of them have a kid but 80 or 90% of them have kids. And she went, she said, well, that seems like a high statistic. I figure what, you know, I was just like, where we're going? She's kind of argumentative. And I was like, okay, so I said, listen, let me explain something. I said, she's like, why would they want to be involved in your crime?

I said, because I was making money and I was dating them. I go, and I'm not running a charity here. I'm not just giving you money. And they start saying, hey, can I do something? Can I get involved? And so if I happen to say, well, I mean, you could do this or you could do this and that would, we could, we would share in the profit or you'd make 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever, but you got to do this and this and this. Because otherwise I said, I don't need them. Yeah.

So I said, I'm not going and saying, hey, I'm dating you. Here's 50 grand. If you're saying, I want to make some money and I say, okay, well, here's what I'm doing. You can do this. And they say, absolutely, I want to do that. Then that's great. I said, now, you're making it seem like I targeted them. I said, which I absolutely did not.

And she's like, well, that's what, you know, what she basically starts making it sound like, like, that's what it is or so. I was like, that's not what it. Like, I don't know where you're getting this. Like, I mean, these women came up with this whole scheme to get a lesser sentence. And I explain how that whole thing kind of took off. And I said, I said, but you know what? I said, you know what? I said, listen, just to wrap this up real quick.

I go, if that's what, if that, that, I said that, if you want to. wrap this line of questioning up real quick. I said, absolutely. I targeted single mothers. I forced them to help me with their crimes. I sent them all to prison. I said, I left them with nothing. I said, is that what you want? Because I said, if that's what you want, that's what you want. I'm good. So it was something along those lines where I just snapped and she was like, well, I'm just, and then we went on. It was just like, like, I'm, you know, oh, and this is that, and I think I even said this. I said, you know what the worst thing about this whole line of questioning is? I said, really? You really went that far. to say that to her?

Well, because, yeah, because. She was a cynic. Well, here's the, the issue is, look, I'm accused, you're accusing me of taking part in the Kennedy assassination. And then if I say, what are you talking about? Like, I wasn't, I didn't help kill John F. Kennedy. What are you talking about? That's ridiculous. Like, I, I, I, you know what?

Then they say, oh, you're unwilling to take responsibility? Yes. just like I'm unwilling to take responsibility for the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of Iraq or whatever, all these other things that I had nothing to do with. So it's hard to say that's not true without, then they just spin it. And then you look like, oh, you're denying. And I said, so I said, look, I said, I'm willing to own up to everything I've ever done. I said, and if I did that, I said, I'd be laughing about it with you.

I'd say, yep, that's what I did. Ha, fuck them. I said, but I didn't. I said, so I'm not willing to live under that yoke. And that was it. And she went, well, and then she kept going. That chick hated my guts. Like, I know she just disliked me.

And, you know, I tried to be nice to her. And everything was, she just seemed like she had a little dig every chick. Was that the interview where you sent me the photo where you're like in that big room with the cool lighting? Yes. where it looks like it's a like a psychiatrist's office or something. Yes. Very modern. It's on the sound studio.

Blonde lady, right? No, redhead. She was redhead. Redhead. Okay. Yeah. I can't wait to see that now. She was pretty.

She really sold me on that part of it. She was super pretty. She was like the worst kind of woman. She's like pretty and smart. Oh, yeah. Horrible. What a horrible combination. Like, I mean like like like.

You can never win with that one, bro. No, you can't. You have to feel horrible for like any guy that dates her because she's also a psychiatrist. So no matter. what you do, she can spin it and twist it and tweak it and this. It's like, I can't win an argument with you. Like, the worst thing is to be dating a chick. The worst thing is to be a dumb guy dating a smart, you know what I mean? Right. Or maybe it could be the best thing, you know. Or a smart

guy and she's smarter than you. Right. Which is even worse. Because you can't even fall back on being stupid. Just like you. You guys were clashing, right? Horrible, bro. She's as bad as the psychiatrist at, um, at, uh. Your appointed psychiatrist? Yeah, no, the one at the one in Coleman. Like, She'd seen a thousand Matt Cox. And she was cocky. And so it's like there's nothing I could do. This woman, I walked into her office and I'm already just like the whole room's closing in on me. It was like she knew everything about me.

She'd already taken me and categorized me and said, okay, ba-p-p-pap-pah-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pom. You sit down and she's like, so one of your parents was an alcoholic? Like, what are you talking about? How would you know that? So your mother? was she I don't even know these things like super smart

like anything you say she just twisted this way twisted this way of course she was divorced because that dude finally just said I give up I wonder if the lady in Amsterdam

who was interviewing you if she was divorced or what I wonder I don't know she was single she was single mother she wasn't a single mother because I even mentioned

she already said that yeah but not just that I had said something to her when we were talking about dating she's like well you don't have to date single mothers I said the bulk of them are single mothers that I'm not trying to

to discriminate this what am I saying easy for you to say I'm not trying to discriminate thank you I'm telling him I'm losing it so I said so I said I mean what do I like here I like kids if they have a kid fine so as we're talking I said you know I said and let's face it I said she goes well you could date you know what she started going on and on I said well let's face it I said someone like you's not going to date me she goes oh no I wouldn't date you and I was thinking well that what you know like I walked into that like that wasn't You didn't have to say that. Right.

I was just like, Jesus. Should it hit you while you were down. Was that filmed for the show? Yeah, the whole thing. Usually they had me doing all these tests. Like, I'm answering. On camera.

Yeah. It was all messed up. That's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy the amount of work and the time and the planning and the production that goes into those shows, man. Yeah, this thing was nice. This was a good show.

And they had a budget. Like, everything was top-notch. It's not like, Like you can say, they were chinty here, they scrimped here. No. Did you hear about the new CBS show they just announced called The Activist? No. What is it?

It's a CBS, CBS is, they have, I guess they've already produced it, but it's a new show that they're getting ready to release called The Activist. And it's a game show, it's a competition show for, for activists. So for like, for like, activists, for like, activists, social justice or climate change and they compete. It's a game show? Not a game show. It's like a competition show.

Kind of like American Ninja Warrior? They follow you around for three weeks and see who does the, we'll do the most outrageous stuff. You know, like the cooking shows where they compete or like a survivor. How do you compete with that live? I don't know. We'd have to watch the trailer. But I could, you know, I was, if you think about how long it takes those shows to develop, and they're just now announcing it,

they must have come up with the idea during the whole George Floyd era, riots. You know what I mean? They had some fucking executive meeting. Some guys saw some dollars on this. Let's jump on this. How can we make money on this? You want to hear a crazy show?

Activism, but people are going to get bored so we make it a competition show about activism. Yeah, it sounds interesting. I was just listening to Tim Dillon. He just released a new podcast, and he talks about it for an extensive amount of time, and he fucking, he goes off on it. He has the funniest takes on this shit.

Oh, my God, it's, it's, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like, but it seems like it's going to be pretty good. You know what the funny thing is, is like, every time I'll hear about some show like that, I'm like, that's never going to last. And then it runs eight, eight years or something. Like, you remember ER?

Yeah. Like, I remember ER was coming out, and I was like, that show's not going to do well. Like, nobody wants to, like, we're talking about emergency. room like people getting hurt like that's too much stress nobody wants to watch that he went like 10 years or something it was outrageous was like the tops it's like I can't pick a show yeah so I'm sitting here thinking that sounds stupid to me it'll probably be on for the next 12 years yeah I don't even watch any shows really except for the only really like cable network shows I watched just sport is just sports

you know what I mean like football or basketball yeah but those aren't really shows I don't yeah I don't I don't watch any content ever only content I watch on cable or network is sports. But other than that, it's just Netflix or like Amazon documentaries and shit. I watch a ton of documentaries. We'll watch, maybe, I don't know, I, I do watch a lot of like, like, definitely watch a lot of World War II stuff. Really? Yeah. Why World War II stuff? I don't know. I don't know. The new ones, when they put them in color. That, that, that whole series? Those are sick. I've watched that whole series like three times. Which one? Those are really cool. It's, it's World War II in color. Really? They take all the old black and white footage and put it in

color. Oh, shit. It's pretty nearly to see. Is that new? It's been on for a while. I mean, it's the same story. I just started watching this new 9-11 documentary they just released on 9-11. Oh, I didn't.

I've seen it. I haven't watched it yet. There's even one on, what's the artist? Come on with the Afro. Bob Ross. I just watched that. Did you? Somebody told me it was good.

It was good. It was pretty good. Really? I should watch it. It's almost a little like, what's the tiger guy? Tiger King? Tiger King. It has a little Joe Exotic spin to it because like these people he gets involved with,

they try to take all his copyrighted name and his work and shit. And he leaves it to his son and his hair is just a perm. But it's actually a pretty good. It's a pretty good show. You should watch it. Plus he's a painter. You would really like it. Wasn't he like North Florida?

Yeah, he was in Florida somewhere. Yeah, I think he was in the area around Jacksonville area. Oh, maybe. Yeah, it was Florida somewhere. I don't know. That's wild. There's like these other. They paint flowers. He paints landscapes.

They're like the competition and they, you know what I mean? It's so funny. Fucking the guy who's selling the books and TV shows fucking screws the other guys over. Tom's doing daffodils now? Yeah. Damn it. I'm going to start doing boats. What?

Bob was pretty cool, though, man. He's a super humble, like just super chill guy, all happiness. It was pretty cool. He's a weird guy, but cool guy. It reminds me like almost Who's the infomercial guy? Billy Mays. You remind you of Billy Mays?

Billy Mays was not laid back at all. Yeah, but he was like super nice and happy, friendly marketing show because there was this other painter in Europe or something who had the show before Bob. But he was like crazy. He was like German and Russian. So he's all he's shouting and painting and shit. Bob's like, I'm going to do a show and be the opposite of this guy.

I'm going to be the nice guy. Fucking all the women want to watch his shows. Did you imagine some just? methed out Nazi doing art. That's what this guy was like, bro. We're going to do a tree. Oh, let's scrape here. We're going to take a little tree.

Bob Ross, when did he first come on the scene? I don't know. I mean, that was way before my time. He's got to be in the 70s, right? Yeah, it was back there. So like the whole hippies movement, the whole hippie movement. It was shit. Maybe just after, like this. Or roughly during the same time, but he didn't seem that hippie-ish to me.

No, he wasn't very, like, hippie-ish. No? Not hippie, no, but he was very, like, down the earth. Did he have his own, like, TV network? His own, like, TV show? No, he had his own show and show. His own show that they put on TV. Obviously not network. I mean to say network.

Did he have his own YouTube channel? Not quite. That's a good one. You should watch it. Are you still doing art? Yeah. You just watched a video. You just watched a video on me doing, I did Biggie, two Biggie Smalls.

Oh, I wasn't watching it. You were showing him. Because you don't care. When I send it to you, when I email, I texted it to you, you don't watch them. Dude, I'm so fucking busy. Stop, stop. Stop. Stop.

He looks at it and goes, eh. He goes, oh, Cox, I don't need him. I'm raising a kid. I have no time for nothing. Your wife's raising a kid. You've got a full-time nanny. You come home and you, oh, listen, I have a buddy who literally his wife makes him spend an hour with his, daughter every day.

One hour, that's it? And he'll call me and complain. He's like, what a piece of shit. Listen, bro. He's like, I'm almost done with this. I got like 15 more minutes. And she's like, get off the phone. He's like, all right, all right, one minute, one minute. Listen, I got, I got 15 more minutes with this kid. And, uh, oh, that's

sad. That's fucking sad, man. He'll call me back in 15 minutes. He'll be like, it's like an hour. I mean, she's like, she's like four months old. She can't even hold her head up. Like, what are we going to do? What bonding? She doesn't even know I'm here. Do you know who I am? Like, it's true. He's like, I mean, can I come back when she's seven?

Like, okay, maybe we have something to talk about. Like, it's horrible. And it's horrible, Danny. I hear you, I see the look on your face. Oh, yeah, he hates it. Yeah, it's horrible. It's sad. It is sad.

But it's a majority. It's a majority of parents, unfortunately. Yes. My wife knows, I mean, I'm not, I don't know how much that. I don't really want him. But there's a lot of, even moms who are just like, they have children, and young toddlers, two-year-olds, and they're just like,

they just want to get away from them. They're just looking for escape from... They want to be... They want to have a kid, but they don't want to be a mother. Exactly. It's fucking sad. Well, anyway... It's the problem.

It's the problem with the world, I guess. Yeah. The biggest problem is parenting. That's what creates all the problems. Bad parenting creates bad people. Hmm. Maybe sometimes. Case and point.

What, he's got... Look at you. He's got a job. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's doing all right. There's an occasional DUI and arrests and some domestic violence.

Did you have good parents? I had... I mean, I'm not getting flagged at the airport. What? I'm not getting flagged at the airport. I had a great mother, and she just got stuck with this guy, you know, my father. Did you ever meet your dad? Yeah.

Yeah, he was there the whole time I was growing up? Oh, was he? Yeah. It's just, you know... But he wasn't that great of a guy. There are people that will tell you he was a phenomenal person. He was an amazing person. You know, and then there's his family.

You know, it's just like growing up, you know, he's an alcoholic, and there are screaming matches and alcoholic bingges and throwing bottles and calling, you know, your kids' names. And, you know, it's, you know what I'm saying? Like my mom, like, she's got four kids. Like, what's you going to do, leave? She can't leave? How's she going to support four kids? And he was just belligerent.

And he was just, you know, he was an asshole. But you talk to any of the people that worked with him, and they'll tell you he's amazing. He was amazing. What did he do for a living? He was a state farm manager. So he would hire you to become a state farm agent. And you're showing up driving a 10-year-old Volkswagen Beetle that's rusted out. And two years later, you're living in a three or four hundred thousand dollar house,

driving a $90,000 Mercedes and going on a month's vacation every year and just kicking ass. Where's that? What I mean? State Farm? It's here. And so they were like, you know, those...

In Tampa? They're everywhere. No. Yes, he lived in Teas. Yeah, I grew up in Tampa. So, but I mean, and he had like 25 agents. And they all, look, his agents were like always, they had this thing called like the Millionaires Club.

Like, they were always in the top. at the top of the whole country. Like, they're always winning the trip through. So they'll tell you he changed my life. He was amazing. He was an amazing salesperson, amazing motivator, amazing this, amazing. And he was. But, you know.

He was like the Belfort Insurance. But when he came home. Right. But when he came home, you know, it was a different story. Or he was great and he was great for a year. And then he'd go on a three-week, you know, drinking binge. listening that's so bad state farm stuck him in multiple rehabs had our whole family go to like alanon you know alanon is so you have a a a and then for the families of people in aa you have alanon so our whole family it's like now my dad's got 45 days in this you know whatever this rehab and now somehow or another i just got sentenced to 45 days where i got to come twice a week and hold hands with all these people and talk about how horrible their, you know, their, their alcoholic parent is.

It's like, what the fuck? How did I get, how did I get stuck with this? He's got the problem. Like, I don't have a problem. Right. But yeah, he, and that's just, you know, that's the whole thing. It's like, you can be amazing in one aspect of your life and just a complete shit another. Is your dad still alive?

No. Died when I was in prison. Die would he in prison. Did you ever rip off State Farm out of spite? No, no. Think about it. No, I'm not sure how I would have done that. I mean, actually, I'm sure how I could have done it.

But, um, well, it's funny. I mean, it's, it's a sad thing, but the, some of the most success, the fact of the matter is some of the most successful and some of the most creative people are, have drug and alcohol problems or, you know, are, are, have addictive personalities or have vices that eventually send them down the spiral, the dark spiral. Right. So, you know, it's hard. A lot of people can't balance that. A lot of people can't balance having a successful. career being really good at one thing and balance another aspect of their life balance balance balance their family life and their professional have nobody's you got to you know it's got to give somewhere and in his

case it was you know his family and it's funny growing up like some of the best people I've ever met have been alcoholics and drug addicts oh without a doubt you know I I agree I mean I know a bunch of guys that are in AA and you know great I know a bunch of guys that have drug problems that I think are great great people um I was just thinking like I remember growing up like my parents would get into fights and they might they would threaten my mom would threaten to leave my dad and they'd get into arguments and there was going to be a divorce and this and that and like you know and like my brothers and sisters were like no let's you know don't get a divorce like you know this and this it'll be an issue and this and this and I was like the only one out of them I was like let's go I'm done

with this dude like what is with you guys really oh yeah I was like remember one time my dad brought us drove up my mom was like gonna leave like I'm leaving I'm taking the kids and he drove us into like the projects like a really really run down area where the houses were just crap and there's like houses like or there's like cars on concrete blocks i mean there's trash in the street like it's a rough looking area and we're driving there my my dad goes if your mother leaves me we can afford two houses like this this is the kind of neighborhood you'll be growing up in i'm terrified like we're like this is wow he's selling it oh he's really i mean and i mean he goes and you'll have you'll all have to make the decision i remember my mom said

oh George don't say that don't tell them that and he said your mother will have you you will all have to make the decision on who you want to live with and I before the who you want to live with and I said mom I'm like eight years old nine years old and I'm like mom I want to live with mom mom like the look on his face was like Jesus the words were still lingering in the air like it was like yeah I'm good Wow. Yeah. Wow. So never had a good relationship with him, huh? No, no. He died, so he died, I think, 2014. And my mom died last month.

Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm sorry to hear that, man. I've been wanting to do, like, on my channel, I want to do a video because people leave the, you know, did you ever see the videos where I mimic my mom's voice, where I do the whole, you know, Yeah, I've heard you do it on here. You've done it on here.

Yeah, you've called your mom on this podcast. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've had her on the phone a couple times. So sweet. Rest in peace. Yeah, it's Cox. She, you know, so I want to do a video on my thing because I've got guys leaving comments in the in the comment section saying, bro, you got to do another video on your mom. And then people will leave comments on the mom videos.

Like, new subscribers will go back and start watching all my stuff. And then when they get the mom videos, like, bro, your mom's a gangster. Bro, your mom's awesome. I'm like, you got to do. And it's like, that's been going on for over a month now, month and a half now. And I'm sitting there thinking, I need to do a video, but like for a month, like, I couldn't even talk about it. I tear up.

I was, I was just, I'd get upset. And, but, you know, honestly, like, I got out of prison. Like, I was desperate to try, you know, I wanted to get out of prison because, you know, my mom's coming to see me every two weeks. Like, and she's old. She'd had a couple strokes. Like, I want to get out. I want to at least get out and have her see me free.

Does that make sense? Like, I don't want her to die thinking I'm in prison. Like, I want to be able to get out and see where she sees, hey, he's doing the right thing. So, you know, I'm going to see her three days a week in the morning. I had breakfast with her three mornings a week, and then I would have dinner with her once a week. Wow. So I go get her like, you know, Olive Garden. You're like the picture.

You're like the picture perfect son. No, honestly, my sister. Like, my sister would see her every day, sometimes twice a day. My sister handled all. That's what, and like anytime anything. That's a lot. Oh, bro. It's, yeah, she, my sister.

Still breakfast three times a week. That's a lot, bro. I mean, yeah, but that's, you're a great son. But stop. That's also the reason I didn't get, like, people were like, oh, what did you, you know, why don't you get a job doing that? Really? Because if I work at FedEx, I can't see my mother three days a week.

I can't have dinner. Like, I can't say, hey, look, my mom, she would call me in the middle of day. You know, it's one o'clock in the morning or one o'clock in the day. And you answer the phone. Hey, mom, she would FaceTime me. are you doing? You know, and I'm painting, what are you painting? You know, and I'd show her.

Yeah. So, you know, that kind of stuff. Like, so, you know, my sister's was, you know, the top notch. Like, but, you know, I was trying to be what I could be. But do you think that's why you're such a good son? Because your sister was setting such a high bar. I don't know. People say that, bro.

I was a shit of a fucking son. So, you know, because I got out and I went to go see my mother after she came to see me in prison every two weeks. Right. Oh, she did. Yeah, every two weeks she saw me for 12 years. And so I got out and I'd go see her. She would drive the-in-coulman. Until she had the stroke.

And then when she had the stroke, she would make my brother take her or she would make one of her nurses take her. Oh, she was a fucking gangster. Wow. She wasn't fucking around. That's badass. And if somebody couldn't do it, she said, well, then I'll pay somebody to bring me. We're going. Well, mom, you're tired.

You had the stroke. You don't do. Well, then I'll sleep in the car. And they'd say, you know, and we have to wait in that area. and, you know, and they go, well, then I'm already sitting down in my chair. I'll wait. Well, you know, and then what if this, what if that, well, you know, what if they won't let you bring your chair in? Remember that one time they wouldn't let you bring your chair and, right, and I use their chair.

Yeah, yeah. And she's just like. How old, how old was she, when she passed? 91. 91. Wow. Right. So, you know, so I would go there and we would go for, well, we'd eat, she would eat, and I drink coffee and we'd eat breakfast, whatever.

I told you that. She saw the commercial. Remember I said she saw the commercial? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was hilarious. So then I would walk her around. So I remember it was on a, on a, was it a Monday? No, it was a Friday.

So on that Friday, I went there and we walked around the whole compound, right? When I said walked around, I pushed her in the chair. And her nurse would come with me. Her nurse was named Celine. Super sweet. She loved Celine. So we would walk around the whole compound. And I remember we walked around once.

And then for some reason I went, let's do another lap. And like I'd never do another lap. Like it's hot. I'm ready to go and she's hot. So we go around another lap. And then we go back and we get her out of the chair. And she sits down on her bed. And as soon as she sat down, she went, kind of rocked a little bit.

And Celine goes, are you dizzy? You know, Ms. Cox, are you dizzy? You know, she goes, I think she's dizzy. And I went, no, I said, Mom, are you dizzy? And she looked up at me. and her face slumped. And her eyes shifted to the side. Oh.

And she just leaned into me. And I was like, she had a massive stroke. So we laid her down real quick, took her vital signs. Bro, heart like a, like a bull, like just fine. Heart's fine. Everything's good. So we call my sister. What do we do?

You want to call 911? So we call 911. They come and get her. She's in the hospital within 15, 20 minutes. Hospital's right down the street. So bring her to the hospital. They say we can give her a drug. Maybe it breaks it up.

They give her the drug. It doesn't work. Now what do you do? They're like, we can put her in the, you know, we can put her upstairs. We can make her comfortable. We can do this. We're like, no, no, no, she's not. Like, we can give her a feeding tool.

Like at this point, she can barely communicate. She can, she can't swallow. So, you know, she had a, I forget what, they call it, but there's a form where it says, like, you do not resuscitate. You do not do anything that will continue my life if I can't do these things. And so if I can't feed myself and do certain things that you don't do any, no procedures that will, that will extend my life. So that's a feeding tube that's like, there's all these things and they're like,

well, we can put her upstairs in the ICU. We're like, no, no, no, no. She has 24-hour care. We'll bring her home. And they were like, we can bring her to hospice. And we're like, she has 24-hour care. Like, she loves her, her nurses. She had a great nurse team.

So they bring her back. And hospice comes in, and they just monitor her. Does it make sense? Like, they're not there. They come in once a day. They call a couple times a day, and they come in, and hospice is amazing. Like, if you've never been through it, like, some people will tell you, oh, that's horrible. Listen, I don't know anybody's had a bad experience with hospice.

Like, they're, they're awesome. So they come in, what's going on? They talk to her, or they try and talk to her. she can't talk obviously. They basically give her pain medication, but she can't eat. She can't feed herself. So basically you're waiting there.

You're changing her. You're just waiting with her and you're talking to her. And they give her pain medication. And so after a few days, she kind of slipped into, you know, like not a coma, but she just was sleeping. You could wake her up. But even then, it's like she's woken up

and she can barely, she can, you know, maybe pump your hand or something. And so then, like, the last three days, like I was there, like, the whole time for literally, like, that, you know, so it was like a week. So it was actually one, exactly one week, because it was the following Thursday.

So the following Thursday, and I was there, like, I think I left, other than going home to go sleep and come back, I left one time to do a Zoom call and came back. And so it was me, my sister, my brother. and for a week like her family came in like this is it

keep in mind too she's been in hospice before and after two weeks she just got better she'd had a massive stroke I mean listen she's she's a Viking like she's a gangster bro like suddenly she just one day

she's sitting up and saying I want to play bridge what's going on why am I not at home and you're like the hell's going on like we're playing at the funeral Oh, my God. And she's like, I want to be in my apartment.

I don't want to be here. You know, you're like, what's going? Jesus Christ. So I remember my brother-in-law, he's funny. He goes, look, they have hospice come in. They give us all a big talk. You know, we're all, and my ex-wife's there. She's a fucking mess.

Crying. She loves my mom. Crying, like my sister, everybody's upset and everything. We're sitting there. And my brother-in-law says, can I say something? He said, I just want everybody here to know there is a good chance a week from now. she's feeding the fishes out in the pond and asking to be taken for a walk.

He was, I'm just saying she's a Viking. We all know that. Bro, we just burst out of it. It was so, like it was so boom. He's like, so,

I know you're upset. This doesn't necessarily mean what we think of it. We've been through this before. Well, they had. I wasn't there. So, yeah,

so I was there all the whole time, held her hand. And finally, you know, her breath gets, you know, she starts turning blue. you know her breaths get deeper or further and further apart to the point where i mean like she stops

for like a minute and then you think oh my god she's not like it's been a minute and all of a sudden she goes it takes a deep breath and then stops again man that's crazy bro it got to a point where it was like it got to a point where it was like a minute a minute and a half where you're like like you know it's coming i remember i walked outside outside i said to my sister she was on the phone i go helen come you got to come in come in we walked back in sat down she took her her last breath. I grabbed her hand, took her last breath, minute and a half later, maybe two, three minutes later, be honest. Her nurse, Celine goes up, listens to her chest, bursts into tears, runs out of the room. And she just never breathed again. Wow. But here's

the thing. Like I was upset about it, but it was the best, look, like my mom said this, you know, life's dangerous. Nobody gets out alive. Like, you're going to die. In the game of life, 91 died surrounded by her family. Yeah. I mean, she fucking won, bro. Yeah. Like, it doesn't get better than that.

Of all the possible scenarios, that's the best you can hope for. Absolutely. So, yeah, it was it. Really thought I was going to be able to get through this. I've told the story a few times. I think I've told it once without tearing up. but, so yeah, that was it. So it was, you know, a week later, we had the celebration of life or whatever,

just to see if she was in an urn. So it's not like a thing, you know, view of the body. And then, like, a week later, she was, we buried her with my dad in Florida National Cemetery or something. My dad was in the Korean War. So they put her urn with his urn there. Nice. And that was it. Wow.

Yeah. So, I got to get out. to prison. I got to be with her for two years. Best possible, like, I mean, for sure. Right, right. Most mothers probably don't get to experience that much time with their kids, especially towards the end of their life. Listen, and I was such a shit as a son.

If I hadn't gone to prison, I never would have spent that much time with her. Right. Because I wouldn't have felt obligated and I had a completely different frame of mind where I'd have been like, well, I'm living my life, man. I'm living. It's like, well, right, right. you go to prison and you get your priorities straight and you realize like every two weeks bro like i think she missed maybe two or three weeks when she had i mean when she had the stroke so like it was like a month and a half like she missed a few weeks and and then it was like boom

i'm coming on my way fucking you're in a wheelchair i've seen people in wheelchairs yeah they let them in That's awesome. She's a badass. Fuck. That's crazy, man. Yeah. I wonder what it must be like for, uh, to see your son or your child or whoever it is go to prison for that long, for that long, what it must be like.

You know what I mean? Because I'm sure, you know. Oh, yeah. She's a, they, they, it's got to be brutal. Especially when it's your own kid. You'd be like, oh, what did I do? You know what I mean? There's so much like reflection that you must do.

But I mean, honestly, like, you know, you know how they, this the whole, um, nature, versus nurture. Like, you know, but to be honest, like, it's, in my opinion, I've heard other, I've heard doctors and, you know, geneticists and say, it's really, you'd be shocked how much nature it really is. Yeah. I'm saying? Like, it's a lot of nature.

Like, it's more nature than it's not 50-50. It's like 80, 20. Like, you could be the perfect parent to this child, and he still is just a psychopath, just out of the box. Yeah, yeah, there was just nothing you could probably do. That is crazy, isn't it? It's also crazy how some kids, like young kids come out. Like, you know, people have two kids and one will be, like, completely calm, you know, and relaxed.

The next one will be completely fucking bouncing off the wall, psychopath. Straight out of the box. They have all those twin studies where they've got, like, twins or triplets that were all separated and moved around the country. And then they find them, and there's, like, three women and all of them are nurses. And like one of them was raised, you know, in a family of like doctors. You know, one of them was raised basically like in a trailer park where their whole family was drug addicts and they ran out of prison, you know. And one of them was, it's like, they're all nurses. Like how did you, all of them managed to get through school and become nurses?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like there's all these. Nature. Right. There's these guys that like, boom, these two male twins separated. One was raised in foster care. The other one was raised with parents that were millionaires. You know, they both end up owning businesses that are similar and they're doing basically at the same level.

They are married. They have a couple kids. Like, they both teach, you know, Little League. It's like, that's insane. Like, there's all these studies like that. It's in you. Right. That is weird.

It is, it's, I think that's super odd. You know? It's like when I first had my dog as a puppy, we used to take it to like this doggy daycare during the day. And, um, it's an Australian shepherd or she. Heap herding dog and even never like herded sheep before, you know, but we took it there and Um, you know, it's got all the other dog, all the other cameras. What happened? His camera died.

Sorry. Suddenly it's got all the other dogs are in a corner. He's running around touching them. Yeah. So they call my mom and they say, you got to come pick him up. He can't come here anymore. They said, we put him with the small dogs. He's cornered them all and herds them in a circle.

We put him with the big dogs. He does the same shit. Nobody wants to hang out. Yeah, but when my little teacup yorky comes around, the yorky heard. herds the sheep dog all around all around the pool that's like a fly buzzing on a cow ship my friend stacey's dog does the same thing he's constantly nudging me trying i'm like stop it yeah constantly trying to herd me and it's just in you yeah it's in some people and dogs animals everything it's so funny that is weird isn't it what are what are your brothers and sisters

for that i was thinking this better go somewhere you started i thought it's but okay yeah it's just what it made me think of what are your brothers and sisters doing I mean, my brother works like he's a manager at like a recreation center. My sister is a, she managed my brother-in-law's law firm and raised three kids, three boys. My brother has four girls. So no more, no con artistry. No, they're all adopted. Oh, really?

All three of my siblings were adopted. You don't have any biological brothers and sisters? No. All three of them were adopted. My mother went in for a hysterically. me at the age of 40. The doctor opened her up. Her ovaries were spongy.

And he was like, did we give her a pregnancy test? And they were like, no, she can't have kids. And they were like, he's like, give her a pregnancy test. Because her ovaries are spongy. Like they went and they test it. Came back. Boom, she's pregnant. So we're up.

Stitch her up. She woke up. My dad's there. And she said, how'd the surgery go? And he said, you're pregnant. And she said, I came in for an hysterectomy. What are you talking about? And then came Matt Cox.

Yeah. A miracle baby. Yeah. weird, huh? Like, she had been told she was barren. But she couldn't have to. Yeah. That's late, right?

That's super late. Yeah, but keep in my. She'd been trying to have kids since they got married in their early 20s. They ended up adopting three kids. Before they had you. Right. And then just they were like, well, I wasn't even the, like, she can't get pregnant. Right.

Period. So. That's wild. That is weird. That is a crazy story. I wonder if you're somehow related to Elizabeth. Holmes. I don't know. Is that the segue? You like that? You like that segue? It was forced, but it was it was good. Maybe Elizabeth. I was wondering where that was going. That could have went anywhere.

Maybe we were separated. You and Elizabeth were separated at birth. You guys don't look anything like that. So it's not possible. You know, what's funny though is, uh, yeah, she, I can't, like, you were telling me about, because this whole time, like, she's supposed to have been going to trial. It's been years. Right? How many's been a couple years? Yeah, it's been, it's been, Is that two, three years? I don't know, but I think it's close to five years. Five years? Yeah.

And now she's finally going, I mean, and I remember I told you she was trying to say like, she was trying to do like, wasn't that she was like a narcissist or so. She was trying to blame it on some kind of psychological problem and they were like it's, like the course is not having that. We're not, you can't present. Well, I heard that she had some sort of like me too defense that she was being. Well, no, now. Sexually manipulated by Sonny, her partner.

But that's what you said. That's what you said. That's her new defense. Her new defense, right. But you watch the documentaries on her, right? Like, there's so many. I listened to the podcast. There was like a podcast.

Oh, yeah. I've listened to three documentaries. Some of them are short. Some are like 15 minutes. And then there's one that's like 45 minutes or so. Like it's so over the top. Like there are so many interviews with people that work for her where she's coming to them and telling them you're going to do this or you're going to say or stop putting those in. or, you know, any of these that are negative, you know, we send them off and retest them.

We, like, she's running this whole scam. So, I mean, if anybody doesn't know about the scam, is that she went to, what, Berkeley? For like one, for like a year or something or two semesters or whatever. I guess two semesters kind of is a year. So for like a year, she went to like Berkeley and dropped out because she was going to come up what she wanted to come up with. First, it started off as a patch that would constantly give you medication. based on your blood. Like it would constantly see like how much, let's say insulin do you need and constantly monitor and that sort of thing.

And then it turned into, or any type of medication, really. And then it turned into she wanted to come up with a machine that you, with just a pinprick of blood, it would do like 140 tests. Right. And it was small and compact. You could do it and it would be in your local Walgreens and you wouldn't need all these expensive tests. And so it would tell you what kind of cancer you had or if you had, you know, smallpox or whatever. So and so she started this company called Theranos. And she immediately, like she got like a million dollars from like a neighbor or something.

Then she got another investor and then another one. And then she started doing some advertising. And then she did this. And next thing, you know, she got into like some women's magazine. And next thing, you know, she's getting in millions of millions of dollars. And she had met a guy. She'd gone to China, I think, and met this guy, Sunny, who was Indian, happened to meet him on some kind of a thing,

met him, and now he ended up coming to the United States and helping her open this company. Then they started dating. He's like, what, 20 or 30 years older than her? Yeah, something like that. He's already a successful investor or something. Right, and not in her league. Like, you know, to me, I thought she was, she's super,

I think she's super attractive. So, you know, she's playing. Okay, she's plain, but I think she's, she's not unattractive. She's not unattractive, no. So, she's not, look, in comparison to Sunny, she's a tent. Yeah. She's a dying piece compared to Sunny. Not really.

I've seen uglier dudes and Sunny score way hotter checks than her. Well, he's also got like $20 million. Right, he can do better for $20 million. For $20 million, you think? Well, yeah, if you want to just, basically, you just have to have him sign a contract. I'm just putting you on payroll. Yeah, of course. Anyway.

Everybody does. So, you know, so they end up starting this company. He comes in, and he's like a little tyrant. He was a little tyrant, supposedly. And he's threatening people, and they're signing non-disclosure agreements, and they're threatening lawsuits. And, but they started getting all these big names on the board. Because if you can say, hey, Bill Clinton is on the board.

You can raise money easier. Right. It's easier. Like, like, oh, well, how do I know this is for real? Well, Bill Clinton thinks it's for real. He's on our board of director. Right. Right. And one of the main problems was a lot of the money they were raising.

They were spending a significant amount of the money on advertising and not actually making this thing work. Well, for one thing. Not actually on the product itself. They're spending their money, getting their name out there and creating a big name in the media. But they are still putting money into the problem. They're still dumping money into it. But you do understand that like the technology doesn't work. Like you can't do what she's saying you can do.

Right. Even the machines they finally can. up with out of 140 some odd tests like it could do like 18 tests and even then half of those were in they could do those from yeah right from one drop of blood right one finger prick right and a lot of those they were still sending off samples a lot of them they were taking full same full blood um whatever vials and sending them off like right the whole purpose what did they get did they get Walgreens for 140 million was that something like that something like that oh yeah they hit Walgreens for a lot.

Here's the thing, too, like, you're not even telling them what the technology is. Like, they're like, how does this work and that work? And they're like, she's like, oh, it's proprietary. I can't, we can't discuss that. But we basically, it's, and she'd give the basic, a very broad, basic explanation that kind of seems

like it works. If you don't really know what you're talking about, but if there's a biologist there or anybody. There was even some lady, there was, in the podcast I listen to, there was even just some lady who you know, lived in, lived by herself on a single income, and I guess she had like some retirement saved up,

and she invested 100,000 of her own retirement into the company and lost it all. Yeah, and that's just left and right. Like this is, this is, that's what's just happening left and right. So then eventually it collapses. Eventually the whole thing collapses. Like finally it comes down to it.

We can't provide the machines. We don't have the machines. They can't do what we said, what we've been saying they can do. We can't get them. Even the ones we've come up with, they're like twice as big as the ones we've been. showing you. They only do like

15 or 18 tests out of 140. Yeah. It's just not working. And so the whole thing starts to collapse. And then there's an investigation. There's... Right. I forget who the big politician was.

I can't get past. I mean, you can't get past the fucking fake-ass turtleneck and the voice. Yeah, she starts that weird voice. She starts... She starts mimicking. Talking like a man. She was mimicking what she... They said she

She was trying to mimic Steve Jobs with the turtle neck And Zuckerberg with the voice And she kind of looks like Zuckerberg Like the beady eyes She does that So she would and every once in a while She would slip Like they have her on recordings

Where she slips for a second And then she comes right back into it I wonder if she's gonna change that For the trial Because you would think she'd be more She'd be more likable and innocent Being like a girl More feminine

You know what I mean Yeah And not trying to be like Hey guys I'm innocent It's just It was just She's taking this to trial. Oh, they're picking the jury right now.

Oh, yeah. She's done. Like, I'll bet you they went to her and they offered her a plea of... That's your cue, Ryan. What? He's got to fix... You can fix the camera. What was I going to say?

Oh, yeah. I'll bet you... I was going to say, that's the wrong one. Yeah, brother, there's better pictures. So they're picking... Help her out. So that's... This is the Wall Street Journal.

article. Elizabeth Holmes Theronose Trial pictures inside the courtroom saga. So they're picking the jury and I heard that they're having a lot of trouble whittling down the jury because they're asking them okay what do you know? Do you know anything about Elizabeth Holmes and a lot of them know about her

stories like yeah I know she wears turtlenecks and changes her voice. Okay you're disqualified. Right. You know what I mean? They want to find an unbiased jury and they're having trouble doing that. Yeah, well that's every big case. Everybody knows her story. Well I mean look look you understand they probably went to her and offered her 20 years. That's probably what happened. They probably came to her and said, look. She's not going to do any time.

Mail, huh? I don't think she's in her mind. In her mind. And her husband, you know who the guys? She's going to prison. She just had, she just had a baby. How much she gets? I think she gets 30 to 40 years. Who? Really? It's, it's a ton of, I mean, these are people's retirement funds. These are people, she's been lying, she lied for years. Basically like a made-off. She threatened, worse than Madoff.

Yeah. She's threatening. Made off. People are leaving. People are saying, this is what's happening. You're lying about this. These tests. And she's telling them, we're going to sue you. We're going to, like, I mean, one of the guys committed suicide.

Oh, yeah. One guy that has to do a deposition, she's pressuring him to not say what he has to. If he's being honest, I have to explain that you're fudging all of these numbers. And so what happens is they put so much pressure on him. He's so afraid to testify. Doesn't want to lie. He goes home and kills himself. Is it older.

Oh, I think they were going to fire him too. I think he had been fired. They were going to fire him. And he was saying, like, if I tell the truth, she's going to ruin my life. And he's just commit suicide. And he was, yeah, he was a lot older. Right. And his wife was, I remember that in the podcast.

That was fucked up. I mean, it's like this chick has been blatantly forging documents, forging test results, threatening anybody who dares to try and expose her. And then they probably. went to her and said, look, we'll give you a 20 year deal. Like, that's a gift. But to her, in her position where she's living in a multi-million dollar house, she's...

She's living in a $125 million house. Amazing. Nice. The guy she's with now, he's like an heir to some big hotel empire. And they just had a baby. Can you imagine? So, I mean, look, she's setting herself up for like... She's setting herself. You think the baby was only for the...

Oh, absolutely. She's that bad of a sociopath? Absolutely. I mean, listen, they probably offered her 20 years. And in her mind, she's thinking, I can't do 20 years. Now, if she had already been, if she'd been being held in the Marshall's holdover for a couple years, instead of being let out on bond, she would have gotten her head right. Like, in her position, she can't fathom being in prison. Like, to her, that's hell, and she'll never survive it.

But if she had actually been held for a year or so, she'd realize, I can do this. Like, right now, her expectations of life are so high. Yeah. She can't imagine it. But if she had got them knocked down, like, look, she'll be suicidal for a year or so in prison. But after a couple years, she'll start to realize her expectations of life will come down. She'll start to appreciate a cup of coffee. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? You don't think all of the wealthy people that she's connected with, all of the lobbyists and politicians, she probably knows. You don't think there's any... That she ripped off? Nobody's coming to her to think. There's still people. There's got to still be people on her side. Especially with her husband. With her husband, how wealthy he is.

Yeah, they got money. They got a lot of fucking money, Matt. There's got to be a way she'd slip through this. Oh, yeah, this is a possibility. No way. We need to come back here after she gets sentenced. I'm telling you, she's getting a minimum of 20 years. She goes to trial and loses. She's getting 30.

You get the right lawyers and the right... right jury, you can go wrong. She may get more. She should plead guilty to 20 years and take 20 on a on a wire fraud charge. You're taking over 30. I'm saying over 30. I'm taking the under. Wow.

I'm saying she does. No, but if they're off for 20 and she gets convicted, it's definitely 40. I'm saying under 10. There's no way. No way. How much loss is there?

How much restitution would you? Go to the next slide. Brian. What do you think? You're talking $500 million? The trial of Elizabeth Holmes, founder of the blood testing company Theranos, who was accused of defrauding patients and investors, began with opening statements September 8th at California federal courthouse. The one time Silicon Valley superstar has inspired movies, books, and podcasts. How much money? Next slide. Okay, this has shown reporters, spectators, and keep going. Oh, it's got to be hundreds of millions. This has got to be half a billion. 37-year-old founder of Theranos

faces charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Once known for her black turtlenecks and baritone voice, she has worn a mask, ignored questions from reporters, and stayed mostly silent in court. She's also walking around with her mom. They show her walking through,

walking into the courtroom, like holding her mom's hand. Are those who are only charges? Yeah. You're interested, wire fraud's 20 years. So if they said, if she had said, listen, I'll plead guilty to one kind of wire fraud. But like, if I plead guilty, typically if you plead guilty, they will consolidate all your charges. So I get the max.

You can give me the max. I clearly have made, you know, hundreds. It's been hundreds of millions of dollars were lost. I'll get the max. It's 20 years. No, no. In her mind, I'm going to go to trial and I'm going to blame everything on Sunny. And they're going to, you're fucking nuts.

Nobody's going to buy the batter. She's got some crazy lawyers. That's going to be a fun trial to watch. She's in a California court. Ms. Holmes' mother and constant companion has firmly held hands with her daughter while entering court. And defense attorney described her to the jurors as a public servant who instilled in her daughter a desire to change the world for the better.

Oh, yeah. She's going to sell it, man. It's going to be good. Did you watch the new cocaine cowboys? Look, that's her, that's her, oh, no, I heard that was good. It's good. You've got to watch it, though, because you've got to see the lawyers, these cartel guys hire, bro, and they get off on everything.

We know a lawyer who represents the cartel guy. This guy reminds me of Bjorn, too. He's bullied, but he's like next level crazy. We got to get Bjorn back in on this fucking podcast. I'm saying one of the cocaine, one of the, the Colombian or whatever, drug dealers, I thought you. A drug pilot? No. No.

This was like a Spanish guy. Oh, yeah. George Valdez. George Valdez. Yes, yes. I had him on there. Yeah, his son, remember his son had. He was an accountant.

Yeah, he did the accounting for a bunch of. Really? I thought he was a drug. You got to watch the new one. He started out doing the accounting, bro, and then he made a lot of fucking money. Crazy. You got to watch the new one. It's pretty, it's really good. So Billy Corp. I think, I think George Valdez is in the new one. Yeah, he is in the new one. Is he really? I saw him and I was like, hey, that house.

Oh, I got to watch it. I got to watch it. Yeah. Yeah, you go. It's good, man. But I only, after I watched it for a little bit, like I watched like 10 or 15 minutes of it, I forget what happened. Somebody called or something. I knew it. Yeah, Bill, got to watch when they start to watch when they start to watch. go to trial row it's so crazy they hire like the craziest most expensive lawyers and then there's

like a whole deal at the end where like the lawyers got paid by drug money right millions of dollars so they try to like fuck with the lawyers they're like oh you're not allowed to take this money or whatever and I think that's actually what one guy ended up down the road

getting popped for finally was he paid one of his lawyers one time with a check and he couldn't they trace it back they couldn't prove it or something and they ended up getting that charge, and they hammered him because they beat the whole re-go conspiracy charge. They're furious, right? They beat everything.

It's fucking sick. So were there any cops? Because I was... Tons of cops. Cops that were indicted? Oh, yeah. They came out with a... You'll like this part.

The lawyers pre-trial, all of the people who are testifying, there's like 100 people, a list of them. They print it in the jail magazine, in the New York Times, in the paper with everybody's name, everybody gets killed. every fucking body. So there was a cop in Coleman. They do that? Yeah.

In that prison time magazine. I mean, they're not supposed. That's just like a murder. Basically, they put a kill list out. That's what they said. They said,

they said, look, we're looking to talk to these people. We're trying to track these people down. We're trying to talk to them. If you can find them, please help us. Wow.

Well, they got found. So, so one of the cops involved in that whole thing, I was locked up with, he had an amazing story. And there was, There was a hitman that I actually read.

There was a book called Making Jack Falcone. So, and I, in that book, and a lot of- Jack Falcone. Who was Jack Falcone? It was a fictitious FBI agent. Like, it wasn't a real person. There was an actual, like, big-time cocaine trafficker down there named Willie Falcone. That's who this whole documentary is about Willie Falcone.

Is it really? It's about Sal and Willie. BB was friends with Willie. The whole thing's about Willie Falcone. This is a different person. So this was an FBI agent pretended to, be a guy named Jack Falcone and he infiltrates, but in the infiltration

and when you read the book, there's a guy who keeps, there's all these murders happening, happening. And at one point, one of the guys goes to kill a lawyer. This guy's killing all these lawyers. So not the FBI agent, but the murderer

who's out there, one of this one murder. And he goes in and he kills this lawyer. He's killed a bunch of lawyers for the drug dealers and so he kills this one lawyer, him and another guy. And when they're leaving, the secretary's there. Like she sees the whole thing. And the other guy's going, let's kill her. And the other guy's going, no, no, no, they argue. No, no, no, don't kill her. And then it finally comes down to it where the guy's like, why, he's like, listen, we didn't get paid to kill her.

You understand what you? We weren't told to kill her. We're not killing her. And he said, scar-faced thing. And he tells her, listen, this is a guy that in prison that I knew named Gordo. He's the one who wouldn't kill her. And he says, and he got 40 years. And he testified against everybody and still ended up with a guy 40 years so that's how bad he's got like 12 fucking lawyers that were murdered he killed and then anyway he ends up telling him no no no and he tells her he says listen when the cops come and this and this you know you don't you've never seen us he's like because i will come back and if i don't come back to kill you so i'll have someone come and do it like i know who you are he got her like license or something and then he leaves and he said you

know what she never said nothing she said i am not talking to you guys the guys some guys came in here killed him. I couldn't recognize them. I don't know who they are. I don't know. He's like, she never did nothing. It was like, oh, okay. Gordo was really actually a very nice guy. Was he? I'm not a lawyer. That actually almost sounds like a hit out. In the documentary. Oh, that's what I'm saying. They kill a couple lawyers and they do, they do kill somebody, somebody sees it, and they take their driver's license and he goes, yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty common. But yeah, yeah, you know us, but we know you. And he takes her license and puts it in his pocket. I want to say he, this happened in Miami. It was

either like Miami or maybe it was New York or something. Because the Jack Falcone thing happened in like New York. But they were talking about how all these guys are connected and they were murdering all these lawyers and this one guy. And as I'm reading the book, Jack Falcone, Gordo's in the unit with me. He's like, like, you know, as I'm reading it, like somebody saw it and said, hey, you know, Gordo's in that book. I'm like, what?

And they're like, yeah. And I go, this, you're in the book. He's like, yeah, yeah, page 142. I'm like, yeah. That's funny. He knows the exact page. Of course, he's a big shot. That's funny.

So Elizabeth Holmes, anyways, we're talking about her. Yeah, Billy, that's the rich... That's her new husband. Her partner accompanying her to trial. The 29-year-old Hotel Air. Once worked at LinkedIn and Luminar Technologies and is the father of her infant son named William Evans, like his dad and grandfather.

How long? Royalty. How long? Is that a plane? Fucking feds flying in. We got a fucking airplane flying like 10 feet above our building right now. They all know when we're doing the podcast. How long was she trying to get pregnant by this dude?

Day one. Oh, I mean, she's like every time. She looked down and she said, you know what we're doing. Come in me, come in me. Every single time. I wonder if he was just, do you think he was just clout chasing? Because you know he could do way better than that. Listen, he's got to be getting something out of it.

Listen, he's got to be getting something out of it. She's probably the best, she's probably the best girlfriend he's ever had. Yeah. She's probably the best chick he's ever Because think about it She's not going to argue She needs you Yeah but even the prisoners

After the prisoners are there for once A long enough time They think they run the asylum I'm not sure what that means I think she's got this guy Roped in whatever it is Definitely she's got him roped in What's his angle?

His angle is she probably thinks My poor baby she was taken advantage of by that mean Indian Sunny. And, like, Sunny is like... So her, the guy's dad is a San Diego hotel proprietor who's joined the Theranos founder in court during jury selection.

He donned a ball cap and introduced himself to reporters as an interested spectator named Hanson. An interested spectator. Hmm. So she's got a lot of rich people around her, Matt. I can't imagine she still has any money there, right? Did she still have money?

Yes, she's got fucking money. Yes, she's got money. How do you have money after? No, she got this guy. She hasn't been, she hasn't gone to court yet. I know, but you would think they would seize everything. She's got it in banking. She's got money stashed.

The fans, look, she's got fans. There's women, blonde hair women wearing black clothing. That's crazy. Wouldn't it be amazing if like half the crowd were all women with blonde hair wearing turtlenecks? So they're all just like fan girls. These girls are like fan girls. They're all, she's got like a fan.

club and they all have turtle they talk like elizabeth we want to be just like you elizabeth you're innocent we know you're innocent she's got at this point she's got to be like this is nuts like even i think this is nuts and i'm crazy where's her trial at what state it's gotta be california it's northern california oh my god in her hometown you know her mom has to know she's nuts like my like this didn't slip up on her like she's already got to know like she's crazy like she's crazy like She's been lying her whole life. Right, but it's a kid. I've got a feeling her mom's probably not too far from that, too.

No. I don't know. Next. Oh, listen. That guy looks like a fucking moon. I read a, so when I was doing the Marcus Shrinker story. Yeah. When I was doing the Marcus Shrinker story, I had to read all these books on psychos.

He's the pathological liar. Yes. So I read all these book on sociopaths, psychopass, everything. And they have all these different examples. Like, there was this one guy who, like, literally had gotten a hammer. This is when he's, like, seven or eight years old. And the family had gone to some lakehouse that they had. And he went down, and he got a hammer, and he went down by the lake.

And they said, we could hear, like, they said, but it wasn't like, it was like he's banging into the dirt. We didn't know what he was. We listened to it for, God, she said, I mean, you know, for a while. We thought maybe he's nailing something in a tree. Maybe he's just, he's hitting stuff with a hammer. But there was nothing down there he could do any damage with. She said, well, finally, like her husband, she or her husband went down to see, what is it? And he was smashing frogs with, and I mean blowing them apart.

Like, like an egg, if you smash, like guts and blood. But she said they were just, he'd been doing it like there were hundreds of them. And it was just death, like just blood everywhere. and he was just having a blast. She said then later, did it with kittens. Like the neighbor had to... Shrinker?

Not shrinker. You understand, right? So I read a book. I read a book about during the... While I was right... While you were doing the shrinker thing. And she was explaining, like, so the psychiatrist that wrote this book

is explaining just like the psychology and the whole thing. And it was just horrible. Like, at some point this guy goes and it gets a job. Like, graduated college. He's never had real friends. He's never, she's like he's always, like the mother was explaining. Like he's never had a connection with anybody. He's always used people.

He's always, he would lie and do whatever he had to do to get what he wanted, then not own up to anything. Like his parents were just like disgusted and terrified by him. He goes to college. They had nothing to do with it. They were, you know, they knew, this is our son and we love him, but we don't like him. And so at one point, he gets,

a job and he immediately he gets some job in some corporation starts moving up the ladder basically by just fucking over everybody like everybody hates him. He very quickly the CEO of the company or the owner of the company he finds out he's got a

daughter and he immediately hooks up with the daughter and they end up getting married and his mother actually goes to him and says the day of the wedding or a few days before the wedding She says, she's a wonderful girl.

And he's like, yeah, I know. And she says, do you really have to do this to her? Do you have to marry her? And he says, come on, Mom, we both know she'll never see it coming. And she said, like, it was like a moment where they both kind of admitted, I know that you know what I am. And you know that I know. Like, but they'd never really had that.

And she said at that moment, she said, I desperately wanted to go to this girl and say, he is a sociopath and he's going to ruin your life. She's like, but I couldn't. He's my son and I love him. And she was just trying to tell him, please spare her, whatever you have planned for. Yeah. Fucking reading that. I read that book, it was horrible, bro.

That sounds crazy. The mother just described this guy was just a maniac. So, I mean. So what I'm saying is... A lot of people like that out there, man. Right. But that's what I'm saying is like... You think that's what she is. I'm saying you know that the mother.

Like, Shrinker's parents, his whole life, he's been lying. Like they've all known it his whole life. There have been all of these signs his whole life. Like you've got a couple of brothers. You've got three boys. Two of them are normal. And you got this psychopath. Like, you know he's doing shit that these two, these two may, even if they're lunatics, they're not like this.

This is just nuts. You know. This mother has got to be like... She knows. Oh, yeah. Like, she's fucking disturbed. What about this new kid, Stephen Laundry? Is that his name?

Steve Laundry? Is that the one with his girlfriend? The guy who went hiking and his girlfriend disappeared. Did they find the body? Yeah, they found her. They don't know if it's her, though. They haven't confirmed it. They said it resembles her, but they haven't done the DNA.

How many fucking dead blondes are out in the desert? Like, where'd they find her? Well, they found a bunch of dead people over there. They found two other people that they think he might have killed also. Yeah. Where? They found two other bodies. Near an area like a restaurant or a bar they went to.

I mean, how many cross-country tours is this, or trips is this guy taking with girlfriend? Well, the funny thing is, they have a YouTube channel where they travel the world. Hey, I didn't know that. Pull up their YouTube channel, Ryan. That's nuts. They have a YouTube channel. I mean, I saw the videos and I saw the video with the cops where she'd been, he'd been scratched, and he's like, yeah, we got into a fight. But I was like, you know, like, they got into an argument and a scratch and this.

But she was still alive. Yeah. Not anymore. Yeah, you watched the video that I'm getting pulled over? Yes. Yeah. He seemed pretty normal. She seemed like the psycho.

When I was watching it, I was like, yeah, she's crazy, bro. Like, he's trying to downplay. Like, yeah, well, she might have. I know. No, we were both upset. You know, he said it was like, I'm like, okay, he's like a good dude. Right up until he choked her out. The theory is what I heard is she's all distraught because he might have just killed those other two people.

Were they, I thought, where they were together? I thought it was just the two of them. Yeah, but there's two other dead people. So what? He said, oh, by the way, this is where I dumped the body and that caused an accident. Maybe she saw. They had a pretty, they had a pretty, their stories were pretty identical when they got pulled over. Like, she was crying.

She was, uh, I've been working on my blog all morning. And then they pulled him out of the van. And his story was to the T almost exactly to what hers was. So they either, I mean, they had a pretty well rehearsed story. Or that's just what happened. Or that's what actually happened. And then it later sparked into, uh, I'm sure. done with this chick.

That's time. Oh, we're at Mile Marker 32. What happened? Getting close to the grave to the burial. Yeah. We gotta choke this chick out. I mean,

you think that, like, it's like, he's on the lamb now. He's from Vero Beach, Florida is where his parents live. There's a lot of crazy people. It's literally directly across the state from here.

It's exactly two and a half hours east of here. And you saw the search warrant. I surf, I surf, I surfed there all the time, exactly where they live. You know, they live on Wabaso.

Did you see the search warrant? Where they were served. Yeah, it was today. They were there for like two hours. There was a search warrant where they went into the house. Well, I think the parents let them in. And they were bringing out box after box. Or they were bringing in boxes, bringing them boxes, loading them up and taking them out.

So, yeah. So I think the parents are like cooperating. Like, look, you know. But they're not. We got a crazy one. We've known it for a while. Like, he was probably smashing fucking frogs too. Well, I heard his mom told him to, like, the night before he went out.

And he, like, packed all his camp and shit up, all his gear and fucking hit the road. After he came back without her? I think like after they found the body or after he knew they were coming. Well, he's been gone for a week and they just found the body yesterday. Where was the body? Found. What? In Utah, I think.

Near Salt Lake City. The last place they were seen was coming out of a hotel near Salt Lake City. This is their YouTube channel. Where is? Nomadic, static. And look, they posted this video a month ago. And it's got 3.5 million views. It's all from the girl. So he's banking too.

The girl who died or is missing, she got like over 600,000 Instagram followers in the past five days. Well, I mean, it's not for, it's not for, you know, interaction or what do they call it? And they got 60,000 YouTube subscribers in the past week, too. Yeah, that's a crazy story. 60, 50, 56,000. So we're looking for our daughter.

and he says she's in Utah. And they said, we looked in Utah and he said, did you dig? Yeah. Horrible. Crazy fucking story, bro. I don't get it. Like, I don't understand.

I just, I'm like, like, I'll commit crime. Like, I get monetary gain. I get that. But the desire to murder someone. It's got to be baked in. Like, I've hated people. Like, I've been furious with someone. But I'm not like plotting their death or I'm not thinking I'm going to choke you to death.

Like and there are people that do it once and then they're like, that was easy. This was good stuff. I got to get me another one. I mean, it's like, what are you doing, bro? Like you're going to, how many people have you dated and dropped off in Utah? You know, there's a, there's a psychiatry center in South Florida. I think I want to say Bradenton, Sarasota. and it's an entire sort of like

it's like a university for psychiatry that specializes in psychopath and murderers. We've got to introduce some of those guys. Well, I have a guy that actually did a book on that place, a guy who came from there who wrote a book on it. And he's coming on in like the next couple months. And basically they dedicate their lives to studying people who are serial killers and, you know,

do commit the most heinous murder. Crazy. And yeah, I can't wait to have him on here. Because, you know, I think like shit like that's got to be big. You got to come like that out of the box when you're born. You know, how can you? I think those guys. Well, I think sometimes you're probably just born on about it.

I also, there's also the study that says that typically it's like a, you can create like a psychopath or a sociopath. Like someone can be created with antisocial disorder if there's some kind of a traumatic, typically it's some kind of a traumatic event in their childhood. will cause that, you know, and others say that they're just born like that. Like, there's, there's a case for both, you know, so I think you could probably be, some are created and some are probably just born like that. Right. But, yeah, but I'll bet you, like that guy, I'll bet you he'll be either amazingly boring

and clinical, or he'll be, like, have some crazy fucking story. Like, he's got to have some, like, he's met some fucking, he's met some nuts. Yeah. That guy's met some people there. He's like, oh, let's nothing. Listen to this one guy. You know, tell you. Well, yeah, I don't know if he's met a lot of the people that he's studied.

A lot of them are people that have been already died or, you know, have, you know, like Jack the Ripper was one of them. Oh, that's not good. A bunch of people like that. But I'm sure there are some that he has interviewed. Yeah, I would want to interview. I got to interview these. Yeah. We've got to have a talk.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a talk. Oh, fuck. So what did you show? So after. So after you took her head off. Yeah. I took the skull.

I, I put her head off. I put her head on my, on my head and wore it as like a hat for a little bit. And then I took the, you know, it's like, Ted Bundy. Why? You've seen the, we've talked about the Ted Bundy documentary. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy one.

Yeah. Yeah, he was, and he got married in, in jail. And didn't he get the chick pregnant and married? I think so, yeah. Boy, he was talking at the end. He toured the country. Oh, yeah. Women loved him.

too, that was crazy. I think you get groupies. Oh, man, that was so crazy. What do you do with? Yeah, that was wild. Oh, Ted. Ted. Well, Matt, I think we've hit a wall, brother.

All right. I'm, uh, we've done two hours. Is it two hours? Yeah. What's coming up next, Matt? For me? Mm-hmm. I mean, I got, you know what?

I've hit, speaking of hit in a wall, I hit a wall. Like, so I was getting like two to three thousand new subscribers every month on my YouTube channel, right? In the last month or so, it's dropped down to like a less than a thousand, like 900, 800, like the closer I get to 35,000 subscribers, the slower, like, I'm like, man, it's like, I can't break this thing. I mean, at one point I was getting 3,000 a month for several months. And I don't know what happened. And yet I'm putting out more content than ever. Are you really? How often you put out videos? Oh, every day. At this, every day? All last week, we put.

put out a video for six days straight. It's every day, bro. And then this week we're putting out on the new Logan Paul. On Sunday. We're doing Sunday. Well, no, we did, sorry. We did Sunday. We're doing Sunday, Wednesday and Friday.

And then, and actually I think Colby, Colby's my video editor, he's breaking up. This one video I did with this guy for like two and a half. It was a little over two hours. He's breaking that thing up into five. And I think he's going to release that every single day. Oh, so you're doing the vlog. Ladd TV thing where you do a long podcast and you only release sections. Right.

I mean, you know, I'm trying to get something to hit. Like every, you know, look, like, like I get a ton of people that like,

you know, in the comments, I don't have a comment section like yours. I don't know how you, you can't, it is accessible. You can't look in that. Like to feel good about yourself,

you cannot read the comments. You read my comments? Every once in a while. Like maybe every once or, you want a good laugh, read them. Oh, God, they're horrible,

bro. Like I don't, you have almost half a million subscribers. People hate your guts. Yeah. They say horrible things. What do they say? About you? Yeah, I haven't read them in a long time.

Bro, you give a couple good ones. What do you mean? I mean, obviously, you know, that the, they're not thrilled with you. They dislike you the most. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The most. I've seen some pretty good ones, though. On the last few podcasts that you did, there were some pretty positive ones.

Actually, there was some good ones. Yeah. I remember I sent you a couple of things. screenshots. Oh, the last time I dug into the comments, it was pretty positive. But I haven't been in their sense. A lot of them are, I've been staying away. The interrupting, the, these guys. Yeah, but what? Really? Is that going to really like it to me? I mean, look, I don't, I don't want to say it. I mean, they're stupid. They're, you know, they can't follow a conversation. True. There, you know, I mean, just, it's on and on. I mean, it's all true. We are stupid. We can't

follow a conversation. We don't, we're fucking retard. They, they go on and on. I mean, I listen to Well, then why are they watching? That's the internet for you, man. But mine is, like, completely different. Like, I probably get... No, they genuinely love you. For every 20, I do get one guy who's like, this rat scumbag. This is a garbage.

And I'm like, well, did you at least subscribe? Yeah, right. Please share the video. Please click. Scumbag, low life. I'm like, yes, I understand. That's the guy who's already subscribed. Right.

Yeah. So, yeah, so I, I, but for the most of the most of them, I, I, I, but for the most part mine's positive and I get a ton of like likes like there's always like what I think there's maybe three guys that as soon as they oh Cox just posted dislike and then they that's it leave a mean comment dislike leave it's like two or three guys like that for every video yeah and then there's like 350 or 500 that are like like like like like like like it's like as much as the comments are so can be such a cesspool and so negative I do love the comments they're they're so some of the some of the insults oh they're good are hilarious well one

You dive sharp. The thing about it is, is once you actually dive into it, it's hard to get out of it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I can lose an hour. I can lose an hour. Oh, easily. Oh, yeah.

And it's like, it's like the greatest thing about those comments is it's like a whole separate organism from the video or the content. So you have the video. You dive into the comments and it's like a whole other world. It is. You know what I mean? It's such a cool thing. I love it when they argue with each other.

Oh, yeah. You'll get like 17, 18, 20, 30, 30 different comments. back forth, the guy's just, and it's like, nice. And it's one of the greatest things about YouTube is that when you see the video, you know you get this great fucking addition of this comment section, you see something like, oh, I know someone said something funny about this. You immediately scroll down and you want to see. And it's like a competition.

It's like a writing competition to see who can come up with the funniest. The funniest take, funniest or most clever take on what just happened in that video. And then that person gets attention. They get up votes, you know what I mean? So they get more people go to their channel or whatever. So it's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that. What do you mean up? So comments get up votes. A comment, you can click like or dislike on or whatever. So it upvotes it to the top, though. The top comments. It sticks up there. Oh, okay.

Most popular comments. Within the comment section. Exactly. Well, I thought you meant going to. So then people see, oh, this guy fucking left a comment with a hundred likes on it. Let's see what he's got going on. Right. He's funny.

Something's good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I get that. I get that. They're great.

Yeah. So I fucking love the comments. No matter how much they hate me. I love them. What else, Matt? He'll have, he'll have He's diving in tonight. 50 comments now saying,

we love you, Danny. Don't listen to Cox. No, they'll be like, yeah, you're right. We hate you. We hate you, you fucking rat. The rat. Oh, my God. All right.

Parlay the plugs, Matt. What are we going to do? Subscribe to Matt's YouTube channel. At this point, you know, 95% of already. No, I mean, I have a YouTube channel. Like, subscribe to my YouTube channel. I need to get over 35,000. I need to get up to 50,000.

thousand. I feel like 50,000 and I can actually start making some money. But, you know, but yeah, Zach, my buddy Zach does the podcast with me. And yeah, so we do that and we interview. You ought to interview Josh. Did I send you Josh's, I interviewed Josh. Who's he? Josh is a guy that runs a YouTube channel called. We'll talk about it after the show. Oh, okay. He will. Anyway, he's got a great crime story, super cool guy. Okay. Perfect. We'll do it. I send you this stuff. Anything I send you, you don't look at anything I send you. You're not the only one.

He does everybody. Well, he's a big shot. You're a big shot. You know, he gets it and he's like, it's not true. What are these peasants want? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

Please. Matt, thank you. Thank you for being on the show. I appreciate it. Everyone else appreciates it. And I stopped and got you Starbucks. I got you. I got you.

I'm not a bad guy. You're a great guy. I'm not a great guy. But I'm not bad. Not bad. All right. Are we done? Goodbye, world.

See ya.