Danny Jones Podcast - #112 - How I Exploited America's Opioid Crisis | Josh DocTV

Episode Date: October 1, 2021

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Hello, world. Today, my guest is Josh from DOC TV on YouTube. Josh did six years in prison for doctor shopping and essentially exploited the opioid crisis by selling very large amounts of prescription painkillers like OxyContin. His YouTube channel is all about prison and exposing the corruption in the Florida Department of Corrections. He does a very good job explaining his experience in the system and what needs to be changed not only in the prison system, but also in the legal. system. This conversation was gripping from start to finish truly. Without further ado, please welcome Josh

from DOC TV. What up, Josh? What's up, man? How you doing, man? I'm good, bro. How you doing? You got a really cool YouTube channel. You interview a lot of gritty dudes on there. You ain't lying. Where do you find these people at? Well, first before you get into that, tell people out there who don't know who you are. Give them a brief background on who you are and how you started your

YouTube channel. All right. So my name is Josh. It's D-O-C-TV 813 on YouTube and how I started it was I kind of fell down the wormhole on YouTube about like two years ago and I saw a lot of people talking about prison, violence, the corruption and everything that goes on. So I kind of just chilled for a little bit and I watched some more of it and then I was like, man, I got all these stories plus some. So really did it was I got hired at a gym to be a personal training manager. It was a gym just opening and the owner when we first started talking, and he said if you sell $10,000 in personal training in the first month of us being open,

I'm going to give you this bonus, that bonus. And he was just going over like a pay structure. Well, the time came and the month came and I did. And he, he didn't pay me. Like he, I don't know what he thought he was doing, but I went to ask him for my paycheck because I didn't get one. And he's like, well, little things came up. And he's like giving me the runaround.

I'm like, bro, when are you going to fucking pay me, right? So he doesn't pay me. I'd end up suing the dude to get my money. And what he told me to my face, my assing the last time was, no one's going to believe you because you're a felon and you've been to prison. So I was like...

So he was scamming you from the beginning, probably. Yeah, bro. So it made me like... I mean, I wanted to work for myself. YouTube, there's a... You know, you can do well on YouTube if you do it right. So that's what made me want to do it to begin with. And then obviously, like,

helping other people. from my mistakes and when they watch my shit, I'm sure they're going to be like, bro, I don't want to go down that road. How long did you go to prison for? A total of six years. I went twice, actually. You went twice? Yeah, I had to run my head into the wall. Man, was it hard to get back on your feet after getting up?

They definitely don't make it easy. I mean, just by having people in here like Matt Cox and other people, you know, we've heard a lot of stories about it's an uphill battle to try to like get back into the groove of society and make it. You know what I mean? Because the deck is stacked against you once you get out. Yeah, man, it's hard. Like you, you know, once you have a felony on your record, you can't buy a house in certain places. You can't rent in certain places.

And I don't have a trade. I didn't go to school. You know what I mean? I mean, I have a trade with personal training, but as far as anything other than that, I didn't. So that's what I got when I got out of prison was certified in personal train, started doing that. And then I ran into the guy at the gym.

And that wasn't the first time, like I ran into little shableness. shit because my record when I got out I tried to be up front and honest with people about it when I was being interviewed and like immediately it's a no and you get like a hundred of them you know what I mean which sucks yeah for sure so when you first started your channel what kind of people were you talking to like what was your what was your sort of like direction you wanted to take it so I was going to start I started telling my personal stories about prison and then I kind of like the the interview format and I had been to prison with a bunch of people that I grew up with. So I started bringing people on that I was in prison with or in jail or in that lifestyle.

And I just started interviewing. And then the next thing I know, it kind of blew up. Yeah, there's a lot. I'm sure there's a lot of fascinating stories in prisons. Oh my gosh. But we've had on here. We know that we're going to get into some of them. So let's go back to the beginning. What puts you in prison? Okay, listen. If you aren't already gambling and betting on sports, you need to be. because I've been cashing in big for the last two months after I signed up with MyBooky.ag. I fucking love MyBooky A-G. I was using My Booky way before they reached out to sponsor the show.

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Well, I mean, it kind of, it goes back even before the charges that put me in. Really what put me into prison was fast money. And I made that by, you know, exploiting like the opioid epidemic that was going on in the town that I grew up in. It was like the capital at that time of like pill mills and pills and everything going on. So I, there's a lot of, there was a lot of money to be made then. So that's what I, what city was that? Pascoe County. Okay.

So like right down the street. Yeah. Familiar. I was selling weed. I was in high school. I was hanging out with my best friend. And we were trying to make money selling weed and doing just, you know, like kid stuff, I guess, in high school. And so we're doing that.

And his dad one day came up to us and was like, why are you guys selling weed? There's no money in that. Y'all should be doing this. And he told us the whole scam about going to the doctor, telling him you have anxiety, lower back. pain and there just happened to be a doctor in the county that I grew up in. He had an office in Newport Richie and in Hudson, which that was part of his scam. So at that time, I didn't have parents, so I was on Medicaid, and I would go to his office and they would, you know, charge my Medicaid on a, like Monday on the first. And then on the 15th, I would go to his other office

and do the same thing, which you're not supposed to be able to do that. And he didn't care because my friend's dad hooked it up with this doctor that we would just give him $500 and he would write us five scripts of a hundred pills of our choice as long as they weren't like, you know, fentanyl and shit like that. But they were oxycodone is really what we wanted. And this guy, so somebody, a friend of yours introduced you to this doctor and this doctor knew that you guys were buying the, getting these scripts from him to sell on the street. Yeah, bro. He knew, he knew everything.

And it was my friend's dad. he was like in a biker gang and all his like buddies were doing this so that's how we got turned on to the doctor because he was like you all need to go here on trouble creek and 19 this is what you say and i like he didn't even he acted like it was nothing bro it was like just sitting down with somebody and then the next thing you know they're like okay and you're like Xanax you know oxen you're just naming off what you want so where that went bad um that kid that his dad introduced us, his name was Joe. And one day we had all this money and we were like, bro, let's go a hotel party in Clearwater. So he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're like getting ready

for this party. And we had gotten scripts from that doctor. And we had got, everyone was asking for like oxy cotton. And that really wasn't a thing yet, but the hardcore like pill users knew about it because that's what got them, you know, the most high. So we get oxycotton 80s. And we didn't know at the time, how it worked with them, like the coding, it's time release. So we didn't know anything about that because we were young. So that night, it's me, my friend Joe, and the kid that lived across the street from Joe, Justin, was in the car. We go to the hotel party and they were like, they would pop pills every now and again.

And I wasn't into that then because they would get so messed up. I'd have to babysit them. You know, so I was like, man, I don't like this shit. So we end up going to the hotel party. They both ate and 80, right? And then like two hours had gone by, we're at the party. And Joe's like, man, I don't even feel this. This shit's weak, right?

So he pops like a couple more. So does Justin. A couple more. Yeah, yeah. So now they're on 380s. Yeah. So then the party's coming to an end. And like, there was a fight that broke out.

So we're like, man, let's just leave here for the cops come. I drive Joe back to his house and drop him and Justin off. I go home. And then like the next morning, I'm not hearing anything. Usually like he'll text me and he's like, bro, come on. Come on. Come on. and then we go like sell weed and shit.

Yeah. So I didn't hear anything. And then I'm like, man, I'm just going to drive over there and see what's up. Like we had hung out every day. So that wasn't like out of the ordinary or anything. And when I pulled down the street, there was an ambulance. There was a bunch of cop cars. I creep up to the house in the car.

I get out. His mom's in the front yard crying. And I'm like, what happened? Well, that night, Joe died. And while I'm standing there and watching this, I see people coming out of the cross. the street. The kid Justin died too. So they both died that night. It was fucking crazy, man. Damn. Fucking gay, bro. And you would think with me seeing that, like, I would be like,

this life isn't for me. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what it was about me, man. I guess I was just, like, attracted to the chaos and the, like, the violence and all the shit that came with it. So I didn't stop at that point. Like, I just kept going doing what we were doing. And eventually it went to another level because then the pill mills were really, this was like before the pill mills, you know what I mean? What year was this? Like 2001, like 10 years of my life is like a blur, honestly. So I'm pretty bad, yeah, I'm pretty bad with like dates and stuff.

But this was before the pill mills really hit like Tampa and you were hearing about it. You know what I mean? This was, it was probably like a year before it really hit. And then there was like a problem. because they were, you know, there were so many people. There were seven Floridians dying a day due to opioid, you know, overdose. Right. So how I, it took to the next level for me was, is, you know,

once you get in the game and you go to a doctor, you meet some people at that doctors, and then you start selling them pills or you start buying their pills. And the next thing you know, they're like, oh, well, this doctor down the street will give you this many. And there was no Florida database in effect. So I could literally go to like six doctors in one day. As long as the time was there for me to do it, like within an eight-hour period in the day, I was sitting in the doctor's office because I was just like going to multiple doctors.

And then when you meet those people and you're in that game, there's a lot of people that get their pills on the first and do them all. So then they don't have any to get through from like the 10th to the 30th. So then that's when they would call me and be like, hey, bro, I don't got anything. I'm going to be sick. Can I get this many for this many back when I get my shit filled? So if I give them 100 pills that are, you know, let's just say $10 a piece, $1,000,000, then when he goes to the doctor, he gives me 200 back.

So it's one for two, the deal, right? Right. And you have that with, like, one person. And then the next thing you know, you have, like, 15 people like that. And each one of them knows, like, two or three people that will need the same thing. And usually what it ended up happening was the people would go to the doctor, they'd get their pills, they do them. They call me for a front, you know, let's just say. 100 for two back and then they would get those and do those too so by the time their doctor

appointment came for the next month now i'm paying for the whole visit i'm paying to fill the scripts and now they're giving me all their pills and i would just like you know give them some so they wouldn't be sick basically to get through the month or i would give them like methadone or some shit like that christ what kind of people are these where are you finding these people not people you would normally like chill with you know what i mean um are these just like straight out like trailer park hillbillies like are the kind of like people you see in like appalachia kind of man it's like it's kind of like that but then it started to be everybody man yeah because in the county i was in like it was nothing for you to like go to a gas station and see somebody you went to high school with

and next thing you know you haven't seen them in five years and they're coming up to you and they're like yo girl what's up you got those like everybody was doing it you know what i mean so it wasn't it was kind of like all walks of life but yes it did start with like, you know, the backwoods hillbilly person. Right. And then eventually in the county, like, it was just like, if you didn't do pills, like you were like the outcast, you know what I mean? Yeah, you were rare. Yeah, it was, it was nuts, man. Wow. So how long did this, how long did this last for you and how much, look, what kind of money were you making doing this? So, I mean, the most I made in a month was probably like 50,000 doing it. But it was more like five grand a week guaranteed no matter what.

And then it was a bunch of other things, too. Like, I don't know if you know, but when people get hooked on pills or drugs and, you know, they don't have money, they can't get any. The next thing you know, they're giving you shit for it. So I would end up not only with the money, but like. Tons is useless shit. Yeah, like night vision goggles and whatever, bro, like a broke toaster. You know what I mean?

If you could make a dollar on it, they were trading it. Right, exactly. Wow. So, I'm so wild. I know, man. It was, it was a crazy life. Like, because I eventually I started taking the pills. It was really like, oh, did you? Yeah, really where it turns. So when I was 19, I was in Tampa. I met this chick that was like 32. She was like a dentist assistant or something. And we moved to Ocala. Well, she's going to a doctor already because she has like anxiety and something else. So she goes to this doctor and usually like back then, if a doctor would write you Xanax, that means he would.

probably writes you something more. You know what I mean? So she started going to the doctor and asking I'm like, you kind of had like a spiel, you would say, you know, like my back hurts right here. It goes into my ass cheek and I, you know, my legs hurt because of it. And you would get an MRI too, which I was in a car accident later on and broke my sternum. So I had a legit MRI for my back. So when we were in Ocala, we kept having to drive back to Tampa, though, to go to the doctors. And I was just like, man, this drive, like it's a lot of money, but why are we even living in Ocali? You know what I mean? Like, let's just move to Tampa and we'll be close.

So we end up moving down here. And that's really like when it started to get bad. And that was because, like, I was going to five doctors. She was going to five doctors. And then all the other shit that went on that we were taken and buying people's shit. And after the car accident, I started to take pain pills like for pain. You know what I mean? I didn't like them.

Because you had been the. Right, because you were actually physically in pain. Right. And I didn't like them, bro. Like, when I first started taking, they made me nauseous. Like, it just wasn't my thing. But I was in pain at the same time. And, you know, back then the doctors were giving you whatever.

So they had me on shit that I probably shouldn't have been on that was more for, like, a cancer patient. You know what I mean? Right, right. So he was just riding me a lot of shit. And the next thing I know, fast forward, like eight, nine, ten months later, like my habit It went from doing the prescription to now doing like, kind of like what happened to those people that I was selling with. You know what I mean? Like the tolerance, bro, like it just like went through the roof.

So and I mean, I'm not proud of this, but like I was literally like taking like 30 to 40 pain pills a day. Plus like Xanax and, you know, muscle relaxers and what else. So that's really when it started to get bad. and we had moved into a condo in this like, kind of like apartment complex, but it was like a condo area. And we had just moved in, so we had no furniture.

So, I mean, I'm not super bad yet. I can still sell pills and do everything I need to to make money. I was just like getting high for free at that point because it was just so easy. What's so great about mixing the painkillers,

like the oxycodones or whatever it is, with the muscle relaxers? I feel like so many people do that. I didn't like it. I like the pain pills in Xanax, but I don't like the muscle relaxers. You didn't like the muscle relaxers. No, but. But it's a popular, it's like a popular thing, right?

It was a popular thing. People that are addicted, they eat a lot of those, a lot of, like, whether they're vikidens or oxies or whatever they are, they usually mix them with muscle relaxers. Yeah, I know people that have done that. The reason why I don't like muscle relaxers is I was getting arrested one day and I had like 15 somas in my pocket. Somas, that's what they're called. Yeah, yeah.

And I knew I was getting arrested. Like I could feel, you know, the cop was going to, it was just a matter of time for he put the handcuffs on me. And I had these pills that I'm prescribed, but they're out of the bottle. So I'm kind of freaking out in my head. Like, here's a possession charge. So I just ate all 15 of them. Oh, man. So by the time I get to the jail and they, like, bring me up to the computer, I was, like, foaming at the mouth.

Because a muscle relaxer, like, relaxes your muscles, but your heart's a muscle too. Right, right. So I was literally, like, awake in my body. looking at you through my eyes and knew what I wanted to say to you, but I couldn't make my mouth do it. So I was like sitting there, bro, like helpless. Yeah, bro. It was so, so that's why I don't like muscle relaxers and pain pills mixed together and Xanax. I've had a few close calls in my younger days with the, like, one time I had my wisdom teeth pulled out and I got prescribed vikin and they gave me this giant bottle of vikin.

That's how they do it. I remember one day, I mean, back in those days, I was like drinking and partying all the time. And one night, me and a couple of my buddies, we were, we were drinking a lot of Jack Daniels and partying, doing some other substances. And I ate like the last four Vicodins that I had in my prescription. And boy, did that fuck me up. I was paying for that for like the next two days. I was fucked up bad. Because you didn't, you didn't have a tolerance.

No. So you were high and sick at the same time. Yes, bro. I was fucked up. That is definitely. That was one of the last, that was the last time I ever. fucked with anything like that. I mean, it was only because I got prescribed it.

I would have never had any desire for that stuff. Right. Unless the doctor prescribed it to me. Yeah, that's kind of how it was for me, man. Like, I didn't, it wasn't like I went out one day and was like, man, let me get some heroin. Because that's basically what the pills are. It's just the synthetic form. And I didn't like it either when I did it, man.

And then, like, I don't know. I guess it's because I have that gene in me or whatever. I have, like, an addictive personality. And at that point, like, in my life, like, things weren't going great. Like they were going great because I could pay my own bills, make money and do all that stuff. But like internally, like spiritually, it wasn't going great. Like I hated who I was. I hated the life I was living, but I just couldn't see it any other way at that point in my life. It was like, you know, tunnel vision. And so when we moved to Tampa, we were going to the doctors. Well, we had just moved into that condo I was telling you about. And when the day like after we moved in, I had to go take. like five people to the doctor. So I go do all that. I get like what they owe me.

I get my shit. And I'm on my way home. I get home. And there's this chick that's been hanging out, I guess with my girlfriend that lives like in the same place as us. And so I had some people coming over. So I was like, yo, you need like, who is this chick? Like get her out of here.

You know what I mean? Because I didn't want her to see everything that was going on. Right. So she tells, she gets the keys and tells me, well, I'm going to go do long. at the laundry mat and grab something to eat with her. I'm going to bring her with me. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So they leave. My friends come over. I do what I have to do. And then like probably an hour later, they come back. And like right when she walked in the door, I could tell something was off. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't, like, you know when something's

off of your girl. You know what I mean? So I was like, well, I was asking her and she was just playing it off. Like, oh, nothing, nothing. And then like five minutes later, there's a knock at the door. So I'm like, oh, I'm thinking it's somebody like that needed more stuff or whatever and just forgot it or something. So I answered the door. And when I answered the door, it was a cop. And she's like, it's so and so here. And like, it was a small condo. So he can see her standing behind me in the living room.

So when they were out at Chili's, they left and they rear-ended someone at a stoplight and then took off, didn't stay. Because I guess she had a suspended license. And I didn't know it, but she knew it. and that's why she took off and someone got her plate. So they were there to arrest her. So they're taking her to jail. I tell the girl like, hey, you got to go. I got to bond her out.

I got to figure out all this. So she leaves. I call the bondsman. They're like, it's just a minor charge. She'll be released at like 6 a.m. So I took a bunch of Xanax and went to sleep. So the next morning I wake up to get ready to go get her. I go out in my living room.

And the girl that I told to leave is on the couch with like pills all over the coffee table, pills on the ground. And the first thing that went off in my head was like, dude, this chick's trying to rob me when I was asleep and took too many pills and passed out or whatever. So I go over to wake her up and right when I touch her to wake up, she starts going into convulsions and like flopping violently like on my couch. So I'm freaking out, bro. There's so much shit in my apartment.

I got weed, a safe full of shit. Pills all over now. I don't even know how that happened. So as this is all going on, and I'm trying to pick up and put the drugs back in the right bottles, there's a knock at my door. So I'm like, wow, she's convulsing like this? Yeah, like 7 o'clock in the morning, man. So I'm like, I'm tripping. So I'm like, fuck, I go answer the door.

And when I answered the door, it was her grandma. And she's like, have you seen so-and-so? And I'm like, move out of the way and she can look on my couch and see her granddaughter. So I'm like, oh, my gosh. She's like, call 911 one. and I haven't put the pills in their correct bottle so I'm like freaking out I don't want the cops there you know I don't want all this shit to be under investigation right so I dial 5-1-1 on the phone and I'm like 9-1-1's not answering to her grandma she's like what because I'm like paranoid so I'm just like man like I'm a

good dude you know what I mean I'm not like I was doing some shitty things in life but when it all comes down to it like I have a good heart I'm a good person so I'm not going to let this chick die on my couch because I'm, you know, worried about getting arrested. So I called 911. They all like, I would say 10 or 11 cop cars came into the complex.

Two ambulances. She gets taken out in the ambulance. Now the cops are in my house. They're doing their thing. They're picking up every pill that's not in the right container and they're putting it in the bags by the pills. So like Xanax, oxycodone, shit like that. And the cop,

the detectives are questioning me. They already knew about me too you know what i'm saying like i've already been pulled over by some of these cops and let go because at that time you could have pills on you as long as they were prescribed to you so there wasn't really shit legally they could do but they knew you know what i mean they knew what was going on all right so so they knew what was going on and they they were like they wanted to get me and this was just their perfect opportunity to not only be in front of me but in my house where there's tons of shit going right right so the detectives like they're they're being assholes telling me I'm I'm screwed you're going to jail

which I already knew I was going to go to jail but so as they're like talking all the shit they're like that girl just died in the ambulance you're fucked and I was like what and like I was like in shock right so he arrests me they arrest me on sales and delivery of alpresilam trafficking oxycodone a delivery charge of some other I think it was a muscle relaxer I forget and so So the whole time, I'm thinking this girl's dead in the ambulance. I go to jail. When I get to the jail, there's, like, cameras on me, like the news stations were there. And so I knew, like, this was, like, serious, man.

And I was freaking out. So I go to jail. I can't. She's still on life support. She didn't die. The cops were saying that thinking I would, like, have a mental breakdown and tell them everything. But there wasn't really anything to tell them other than what had happened. Right.

But they had it in their mind, I think, that they wanted to get me on. on every little thing. And that's what they did at first. They charged me with like eight different charges. And I'm in jail. She's on life support. I'm talking to an attorney telling me if she dies, I'm going to get capital murder and all this crazy shit.

So she ends up pulling out. She ends up living. They take her off life support. They question her and everything. I'm sitting in jail. I bond out while all this is going on. And she just disappears. Like she wouldn't show.

up to depositions. She wouldn't come to court and say like, she wouldn't say anything, man. So she had moved. And I forget where she moved, but it was far away and kind of just like detached herself from the whole thing because her family, I guess, you know, didn't want anything to do with it. And so I fought this case like, you know, back and forth for like a year and a half. They were changing like, this is how they would do it. They would give you a trafficking of oxycodone and then let you sit in jail until they could leak like by the statute. formally charge you with that and bring you to court. And then right before that would happen, they wouldn't.

And then they change the charge from trafficking to sales. So now they can keep you again if you're in jail and you can't bond out or you don't have a bond on those charges because they're like giving themselves enough time to build their case basically. Even if they don't have one, they're going to bluff and, you know, tell that they do. Right. And that's how the system works, man. And it works because they keep people in jail.

they know don't have the resources to get out. And then when they're in there for a while, the first time they come at you with something crazy, like five years. Then you sit in for like three months. Then they're like, oh, you know, 48 months or four and a half years or whatever. And they just keep doing that. And even if they don't have a case, they don't pull you out and say, hey, are bad. You know what I'm saying?

Right, right. Like they just, that's what they do, man. And that's what they did to me. And I, you know, I didn't even want to plead guilty to anything. like the sales charges or anything because they didn't really have me on a sales charge. You know what I'm saying? They just thought, but that's not enough. But then, you know, after sitting in there for a year, they came in with five.

They came in me with like three and a half and they finally said 28 months, no probation afterwards, you'll be done. And I already had like so much time in. So I was like, all right. So I took to 28 months and went to prison in the state of Florida. 28 months and you were in a state prison. Yeah. I hear state prisons are way worse than the federal prisons.

I mean, I haven't. We had a guy here, Jake. We had Jake in here. He was in Florida state prisons for a long time. And this guy was in close to the same thing you were doing. Except this guy, like, he robbed a pharmacy and stole a bunch of oxies. And he was in prison for, like, I think total, close to seven years in different places. But he said that state prison, especially in Florida, was the worst experience he ever had.

Yeah, it's bad, like violence and just fucking Lord of the Flies type shit. Yeah, the hills have eyes type shit. Yeah, yeah, the first time I went to prison, man, like I'm not even going to lie, it wasn't that bad for me because when you get to state prison, you go to a reception center and that's where the state decides how they're going to classify you in the prison system, depending on, you know, your charges and everything. So what everybody wants when they get to prison is to be a permanent at a transit, like at the reception center because you can make a lot of money because you got inmates coming in, right?

And if you're a permanent, you already have like, you know, a line for cigarettes and K2 is what they all smoke. Yeah. Whatever. So when the transits come in from jail, a lot of them are sitting in jail for like eight, nine, ten months, sometimes more. The first thing they want to do when they get to prison is get high or smoke cigarettes or do all the shit they couldn't do in jail that now they can do in prison. Right. So when I got there, I luckily became a permanent at the work camp, which was in Orlando. And that's like an hour and a half from where I was living.

And my girl was still going at that time. I was going to like, you know, five doctors, shoot me money in prison. And then I found out through a guy that worked on outside grounds, they called it. It's like a where you take care of the outside of the prison. You go to like some other places too. So he was working out there. and his girl lived actually in Pinellas, right? So he was like, bro, we need to do something.

And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, bro, we can be making money in here. This is the fucking lawn guy at the prison? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was in my dorm too. We just happened to like get the same job. And our both our girlfriends at that time lived in the same county. So I was like, so he's like, I can show you something.

And I'm like, all right, what's up? So we're on lunch one day and we're talking. and he's telling me how he's getting pills in through visitation, right? So I'm like, okay. I was like, doesn't your girl live in Pinellas? And he's like, yeah. I was like, my girl will pick her up and bring her Saturday to visit us. If your girl shows my girl what she's doing, right?

So I could get them in. So they, you know, she picks her up, right? I'm in the visitation, right? And when you go in, you get strip searched before you even go in. Like the girls, when they're coming in, they don't really get strips. searched it, you just have to like shake your bra and like, you know, I think they take off their pants but leave their underwear on or something like that. So I change out. I go in. I say what's up to her. We go over. We buy some food. We go out on the picnic table. And when I'm sitting on the picnic

table, she just slides over in a cellophane, like 10 blues, a couple Xanax, which a blue on the street at that time was like $8, $10. What is a blue? An oxycodone 30. Oxicotone 30 is a blue. Yeah. Okay. That's what they call blue boys. Oh, yeah. Is that true? I haven't heard that one.

I've called, I mean, I've heard it call the bunch of things. Okay. I'm sure they did, though, man. Yeah. All right. Yeah, they're the, like, littlest blue pill, man. And, but they pack a punch. Really?

Yeah, you would not not think it. You know what I mean? Until you actually take it. So what are those worth in prison? I was getting $85 for him. But that was low, man. Like, I could have probably got four. and, you know, they go more up north.

So pills down here are like the cheapest at that time. If I take that same pill to Kentucky and I sell it in Kentucky, it's a dollar a milligram. Wow. So that, I mean, I ended up doing that too, but we can get into that later. But the prison, so she slides me the pills. I do what I got to do, bring them back to the dorm, and I sell a couple. And the next thing I know, like, I got people from other dorms coming to me, like, yo, what's up with them thing? and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

So I had met another dude that worked on an outside grounds-like place, but it was in the city of Orlando, and they had, like, a sweet-ass officer that used to, like, take them around to all their jobs. So he would let them go off and kind of do what they wanted. So I had the girl drive to that spot where this dude was working that was in my dorm and drop off a lot more. You know what I mean?

Because he would bring them in. So it was different than me in visitation where I really, you know, I didn't have any way. where to put him. So it was kind of... This guy could just freely come into the prison and just... Well, he would sneak him in. There was a rear gate guy that worked the rear gate when you come in on the vans. You got to get strip searched and shit.

But if you know the guy at the gate, they take the trash from the chow hall down to the rear gate to let the, like, the guys come pick up the trash. So he would use the trash like he was wheeling down old trash, right? Throw the old trash. And then he would grab the shit from the dude at the rear gate, put it in the trash and bring it back into the prison. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It's probably too much detail. I don't want to give anyone any ideas. So, I mean, like the main thing that I don't understand, that I can't wrap my head around, like, the whole thing is people like you, you're going to these doctors and you're getting all these pills. But they're already so readily available at the doctors. Like, if you want them, why can't you just go to another doctor and get a prescription? Like, it's amazing to me that there's such an underground market, such like an illegal market for these pills. when they're so legally available. Like you mean back then you could just go to a doctor and get them?

Yeah, because it feels like there's so many doctors, I mean, Purdue Farmer was the one that was selling these to the doctor's offices, right? And they were incentivizing them to push them out as much as possible. So if they're so readily available legally, how is there such a big underground market for them? Because not everybody could get them. Like, it wasn't that easy. Like, you had to have an MRI that was legit, which,

People make fake MRIs, but you had to have an MRI. And, like, there was so many doctors, but it was mostly, like, people at those doctors that go every month, and they're like, you know, every month patients. So when you're a new person and you're trying to go in, first of all, none of these doctors except anything but cash. So you can't use a... Really? Nothing.

Yeah. So a first visit, if they wanted to, they could charge you $800. Like, it's whatever they wanted. So that's what would keep people Because they would be on pills And can't save up that much money To go to the doctor And that's where like I or you know

One of my friends would come in And they would pay for them for everything So insurance wouldn't pay for any of this stuff? No, no I mean you could if you were like older I think you could I never had insurance pay for anything So when you go to the pharmacy

You're talking to the pharmacist like Me and you are going out to buy weed on the street They're like oh you want generic I'm like yeah whatever What's cheaper He's like well if you do the generic I'll do them for a dollar 19 apiece. If you get the, you know, there was, it was like, wow.

Yeah, it was like a drug deal, basically. Wow. Yeah. That's insane, man. Yeah, and when you go to these doctors, man, like you, everybody knew what time it was. Like, there's people, you know, shitting on themselves because they're sick, throwing up in the parking lot. And there was at a point where I'm telling you about the Kentucky thing is that I met a lady who had a son that lived in Kentucky. So I started taking the pills up there to sell them for a dollar a milligram.

Now, how much of a increase was that in your profit? Was that like doubling your bunny or was it? Yeah. No, it was like tripling it really. Yeah. Well, depending because if I buy like, you know, let's say I buy it. Awesome. Will you turn the air down?

It's fucking hot. So if I, if I say I buy a 500 pills off somebody that went to the doctor and I get a good deal on them, let's, I mean, we could just say, let's say 10 apiece. That's not a good deal, but it's easy. So I buy all those pills for, you know, let's say five grand or whatever it is. If I go up to Kentucky, now I'm making $30 a pill versus 10. So you're doubling your money on everything. Wow. Yeah, so it's like, and they would charge more.

They were going for like 60 at one point up in Kentucky. And even down here they went up, but not like that. What do you think is the biggest problem? with like the last 20 years with the opioid crisis and all the all the addiction all the people that died and all the overdoses I mean it's really it's it's kind of it kind of clouds the whole argument over legalize all drugs you know what I mean because so with all the people that were dying from oxy oxies and you know doctors over prescribing all these painkillers do you

think it was because they weren't, is it true that they weren't warning people that like, hey, this is really addictive, this is really dangerous? Or did these people know this already? They weren't warning. They weren't warning anyone. Yeah. Like, I never had a doctor say, hey, yo, you could die from these. They were just like, well, it was so, I think what you knew, right? Because you knew, you knew people personally that had died. Yeah, like my two friends and then countless other people that have died from it. But I think, man, that money, money will change anybody man like you can and these are people that never were going to have money in life and now all of a sudden they're making 20 grand a month so whoever sees whoever they know that

knows them is going to see that and then they're going to want to turn around and do the same thing and i think that's just what happened is so many people got like hooked on the game and got into the game and everything with the pills and it just like i don't think anybody saw it coming you know what I mean, like how powerful the pills are because they, I mean, it's like crack, man. Like, they have that much power except maybe even more because when you don't have crack, like you can get through that. If you don't have pills, like you're dope sick, which is like the flu times, you know, 20 for like, you know, seven to 10 days depending on like what your tolerance goes.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, yeah, the right approach would be to tell somebody if they're going to, if you're going to give them, if you're a doctor and you're prescribing these people, you got to be like, look, this is what's going to happen. If you take too many, if you take this many, you're going to get high chance. You're going to get addicted to it. And if you get addicted to it, this is what's going to happen.

You're going to feel like fucking death for 10 days after. That would probably, you know, you might take a little bit longer to make your decision if that would take. Yeah, right. But I think it affected those doctors the same way with all the money. I mean, they're making exponential amount of money, just prescribing pills legally as many as they want to everybody. You know, and a lot of those doctors ended up. up going to prison as well. Yeah, they did. It's funny that you bring that up because I remember there was this doctor that was giving me like 330s, 480 oxy-crazy-cocon-forth. Yeah. So we're in the office one day

and he's like, you know, he's writing me on my scripts talking to me like he was a, he was a character, man. So he hands the nurse, the script, she goes out to copy them. He walks out of the room. I walk out of the room. He goes in his office by the, before I could walk through past his office. in the hallway. He was like, hey, come here. So I'm like, all right. So I go on this dude's office. He has like three monitors set up on his desk. And this was before that was a thing. You know what I mean? Just because he was making so much money. Yeah, they're falling. Yeah, crazy. He's doing stocks on one monitor and he's fucking. Even better, bro. He could, I go in the office and he's like, yo, check this out. And he moves the mouse to, you know, make the screens pop. And there's

three screens filled with mail order brides from three different countries. And he's like, what do you think of this one? She's fine, huh? I'm like, what? Nice. So the guy's, and the guy's ordering brides, he's got an MRI machine in the parking lot in a van, so that way when people come to him and they don't have their MRI,

he sends them downstairs. They go into this van. A guy will take an MRI off a 60-year-old that has, you know, back-hit problems, and copy it on to the 20-year-old that just went out in the van. And then he turns around and goes back up and sees the doctor and gets the pills. Wow.

And then the doctor refers you to his friend, who's the pharmacist? Exactly. Or they're in-house, yeah. Right. Or they'll literally have their own pharmacy at the doctor. So. He probably has a Ferrari parked out back.

Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, bro. I mean, they were busting doctors with like yachts and fucking money over shores and shit. They were, I mean, if you think about it, if we, if us three went to the doctor,

right, it's $100 a visit after you pay for the initial visit. They booked their patients at eight, patients can fit into one hour. Right. So it's like every 10 minutes or not less than that even. Yeah. Like I forget what it is, but like eight an hour.

There's like six, so 64 patients in a day at $100 a pop cash. Cash money. So it ain't on nothing. That's just for the appointments. Just for the appointments. Yeah. And then they would, you know, they'd hit you with other shit too. Like, I mean, some of them were corrupt.

So they would be like, today it's 200. If you don't have it, you don't have it. You're not getting seen. And when you're in that shit and you got five. people in the car in the parking lot waiting on you. You know what I mean? So do you remember the story from the HBO documentary where there's the guy in Florida and one of the sales reps from Purdue Pharma went down to meet her, meet him?

And, uh, they basically wanted to like test their new, their new pills. And, and, you know, they were, they kept trying to figure out how they're going to make more money, how they're going to, you know, at this point, they're making like $3 billion a year. So they find this guy who's been in like a crazy car accident. and had crazy, like, spinal surgery, and he had, like, a super high tolerance. So this sales rep went down to go meet this guy, and, like, I think it was Naples, Florida. And, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they started giving him, like, uh, the 30 milligrams.

Like, okay, take 20, 30 milligram tablets a day. Like a lab rat? Yeah, kind of like a lab rat. And they were giving him for free. She didn't, like, met him in the parking lot of the, of the clinic. I see that. That's crazy. That's how I don't doubt that, though, one bit, man.

And he's like, yeah. Hell yeah, I'll do it. He's like, I'll take this stuff. Yeah, it's called Oxycontin. Okay, sure, I'll try it. And he's like, this is not doing anything for me. Like, okay, they'll give him 50 milligrams. Sorry, giving them 20 milligram tablets a day. So they up him to like 100 milligram tablets, take 20 a day. And after everything, they give him the biggest dose they ever created, which was 160 milligram tablets. I've seen those. And he's like, I'm eating. They told me to take two. take 25 tablets twice a day of 160 milligram tablets he's like it took me 15 minutes

to eat these pills he's like it was like eating a giant bowl of chiroes he's like it it took 30 minutes total to eat 50 pills a day that's crazy I can't believe he lived to tell that story and he's on the documentary just talking about it it's so fucking crazy it just reminds me of like so many different Florida men that we've run into yeah that's what I'm saying like down here

it seemed like it was worse than like we were the last date to get the database if that tells you anything that's because what is the database so the database is if me and you go to doctor you know bob on monday we can't turn around within that 30 day period and go to another doctor and get narcotics prescribed especially not the same ones and if you do when you go to the pharmacy and they put your name into the database if they see that you bend it to you're automatically red flagged in the system and you can't fill anything else. And usually they're calling the DEA after that too. Okay.

That's where it all came to an end for me, man. When I was in prison, selling the pills, doing the shit in there. And, like, what prison I landed at was, it was like a sweet camp. So there wasn't, like, there was violence and shit, but not to, like, a crazy level to where you're like. All right. Like, this is real in the battlefield. But, so I got out of prison that time. I go back.

I'm living with the same chick that I went in with. And she's been going to multiple doctors. And it was like a month I had been out, I think. And we end up going to one of her doctors. We go upstairs, go to the doctor, go downstairs to the pharmacy. She hands in the stuff. And like, 10 minutes later, he comes back. And he's like, you went to this doctor, this doctor.

And he had all her shit. So it was like at that point where I was like, yo, what the fuck am I going to do? Because I had been planning on doing this, like the rest of my life. Really? Yeah, like because of the money and then, you know, I became addicted to them. So I was like, well, I'll just keep selling them, make the ones I take for free and then just make a little money. I mean, not a little. It was a lot at first.

Like, it was a lot of money at first, actually. But later on, like when the pill mills were getting busted, the price of pills was going up on the street because the price to fill them and the pharmacy was going up. I mean, it got to like $6 a pill one time in a pharmacy, which, that was. That's like street prices back a year before that. You know what I mean? So it was at that point where I was like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. So obviously I saw one doctor still and kept getting my scripts from them,

filling them, selling them, keeping some, you know, dealing other drugs now. And then it was like just to the point where, like, I didn't give a fuck. You know what I mean? Like I didn't give a, like at first I was selling the pills and doing shit like that. But it got to the point where, like, nobody wanted to hang out with me because I was just like, I was just jackboying people shit. Like, I'd be like, oh, you want a hundred pills? Yeah, all right, meet me at 7-Eleven. And then they'd get in the car and I'd fucking yoke them up and pass them out and then push them out the door, grab all their shit and keep going.

Oh, shit. Yeah, that was one time. I did that to a kid out of doctors too, bro, after he got his shit. Jesus. Yeah. So it became like, like savage mentality. And this was all due to, you know, me being in the car. then starting to take a little and that's how quick man it like i didn't even notice when like it went

from a problem you know what for him went from making money to a problem like me personally i could see it and everybody else and i could be like oh he's fucked up oh she's she's wasted or whatever and watch other people's life like go down the shambles but i wasn't seeing it in my own life at that point so i just kept selling drugs robbing people you know doing anything to to make money on the street. And then finally, I got hit again with, like, a grand theft and, like, three new sales charges. I got the grand theft because I fronted a chick, like, so many pills to go down to Miami. She was doing, like, some photo shoot and sell them, and then come back and bring me the money.

Well, when she came back, she didn't have the money or the pills. So I was in her apartment, and I'm just like, look, when you pay me, you'll get your ship back. And I reached over and grabbed, like, a Mavato watch and some type of camera. know anything about cameras then. Yeah. So I go home within 10 hours. The cops are at my house. She called the cops and said, I just took the shit.

Nothing about, you know, me own. Her own, me money, none of that. So I go to jail. I bond out on those charges. So then I'm at this house, like selling all night. I go to leave. And I guess, like, it was a known, like, house. So cops were down the road waiting for people to leave.

And they got me with the three sales charges because they were in bags and shit. Oh, fuck. Yeah. And I had cocaine on me, too, I think. Crack cocaine. So then I go to jail Now I can't bond out Because I was already out on a bond

And when you catch new charges They pull all your bonds So you can't get out Until you go to court And see the judge And he decides like You know what he's going to do with him Right

So I sat in jail I got the same attorney I did the first time And this time Like they came at three Like two and a half And then I took 18 months

When I went to prison This time though It was a lot different So I went to their same reception center and I'm like Yeah, this is going to be sweet. I'm just going to stay here. One night they come over, kick my bunk and they tell me I'm, you know, I'm being transferred to one of the 160 prisons in the state of Florida.

So at, you never want to be. There's 160 prisons in Florida. I mean, I don't know if that's the exact number, but it's over. It's like 130, 150 somewhere around there. Can you find that? That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Well, their work.

Is there even that many counties in Florida? Florida? I mean, there's, I think there's like counties with, well, Sumter, right up the road has like Coleman feds, Sumter prison, the Jit camp. 143 facilities statewide. Yeah, I knew it was up there. 50 correctional institutions, seven private partner facilities, 16 annexes and 33 work camps, three reentry centers, 12 FDC operated work release centers, 18 private work release centers, two road prisons, one. forestry camp and one basic training camp. Jesus Christ. They got it all. The smorgasbord. That just says something to you, though.

That's an industry. Like, bro, we're like... That's insane. I know, man. Tell me about it. So, I mean, that's kind of right. Florida's not, like, when you look anything up on prison about, like, you know, in Florida, none of their shit's correct.

So they have all those camps, but usually at every camp, there's a main unit, and there's an annex and there's a work camp. So the main unit in the annex will hold any type of prisoner. You're, you know, someone that killed 50 people or you can be in there for, you know, two ounces of weed. Like there's no like system in Florida to where like, okay, they're murderers. I'm going to keep away like the drug addicts or the, you know, away from them. It's not like that. So you like literally, when I was in the reception center, the dude that was my bunky had a life sentence and he was like 23.

So they'll put... What do you have a life sentence for? Armed home invasion. He had just got out of prison and then committed an armed home invasion, yeah. So, I mean, not too bright, but... And then in Florida, they have PRR. So when you get released from prison,

if within three years you commit like aggravated battery, burglary, I think of an occupied... There's certain charges, right? They can give you a day for day what that charge carries. So if you get out and commit a second degree, felony that's PRR, now a second degree felony usually carries 10 years in prison, 10 to 15, I think. So now you're getting that with no gain time, nothing.

And there's no way around it because it's a law. Damn, bro. What is this? That's the PRR in Florida. Yeah, so a second degree is 15. Get five for a third. That's insane, man. And there's a lot of people in prison, bro, that are doing like 30 years because of that law right there.

And it wasn't, it was like, you know. Were most of the people that you met in there, in there for drugs? I would say 90% of the people. 90%. Yeah, are in there because they were doing drugs, selling drugs, or, you know, were caught up in some type of. Mostly pills?

I mean, yeah, pills were big, I think, more at that time in, like, the white trash, the, you know, white suburban. That was really where the pills, like, really started to, like, you know, destroy that community. Right. And then I think over time, they, you know, in the ghetto started getting them. Because back then, you know, you didn't go to the ghetto to buy pills or the hood or whatever you want to call it. Right.

You know, you would go to a fucking Matt's house in Intersbrook and his dad would have a script. Yeah. And that's how it kind of went for a while. And then the next thing you know, like, it just was everywhere, man. Like, there was like. Yeah, man. It was great. Like watching that documentary and seeing all the fucked up people like all, like the fucking the,

And the picture of those two people, the parents in their car, like slumped over, passed out. Yeah, I saw that. And the kid is awake in the car seat in the back. Yeah. That's sad. Fucking Christ. Like, this isn't a very good argument for legalize all drugs. No.

I was like, whoa, how the fuck does this work? Right, but those were legal drugs. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They were perfectly legal drugs. And that's what they were doing. Right. You know what I mean?

Usually it's when they make drugs illegal and there's a whole underground, you know, illegal fucking market for them with cartels and whatever. it is that's usually how the bad shit happens and this is completely legal these are doctors that are giving people all these drugs and this is what's happening. Yeah, all for money man. You saw it. It was all about money, yeah. Purdue was like

literally lying like they weren't even telling the truth. Oh yeah. Like they were passing like, you know, they'd have to go get this drug tested. They're paying off the dude testing them and we don't know the long term effects and now you see it. You know what I mean? Now we're you know 10, 15 years

later and usually somebody you know is either an addict or they know an addict. And it's just they're everywhere, man. One of the crazy things about that whole Purdue thing was in 2007, I think it was when they had to pay their first settlement. And it was like 30 million bucks, I think they had to pay. And they were making like three billion, three

billion dollars a year. They had like their record year right after that. And that's great. That's when, when that happened, that sparked all those other companies to start up and start doing the same thing. Because they're like, they're like, holy shit, they just got away with this. Yeah. We're going to go do the same thing.

Are you kidding me? I'll pay 30 million for every billion. Yeah, right. No problem. That's more than selling the pills. I mean, you are the, you're the connect at that point. Right. So you make the prices.

At Purdue, man, there was a time when they were like getting under investigation and they were starting to get like maybe it was around the 2007. I can't really remember. But you could literally. like your doctor would mail your scripts and then they would send you the pills in the mail and they were like not generic they were the real one so you can make more money and they would just like show up in your mailbox like it was literally like amazon but with pills you know my god dude it was nuts and that like what he was saying man they're legal so i was getting pulled over

fucked up driving had pills all on me passengers had pills the cops knew what was going on but they just couldn't do anything. You can't do nothing. You have a prescription. Right. It's got your name on it. And then they started to like get hit to that. They started to see that. So then you would get pulled over and they were able to count your pills. So if you got them on Monday, there should be this many in here. And that's kind of what they went to. But with the town I was in, man, the sheriff, the whole like police depart. The mayor of the town that I grew up in is sitting in prison right now because he was selling crack and doing meth and heroin and all this shit. And the

cops raided his house and he fired off a gun. So now he's in prison. That was the mayor of the town I grew up in. Who was he? I forget his. I did an episode. Ocala? No.

Newport Richie. Oh, Newport Richie. Yeah, he was all on the news and shit. But he's like, he was a drug act. He was selling drugs and he was doing prostitutes.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's crazy. This dude was a fucking being a real Florida mayor. We should look that guy up. That's insane. I forget his name. I'll figure it out.

that time we're done but yeah i mean the i mean they were getting away with i mean the government let them they gave them the fucking the green light to do it by by making them get away with a 30 million dollar settlement yeah well you got to think man that those companies like peru and you know whatever i forget all the other ones but they're paying for politicians campaigns right they're back in campaigns with tens and hundreds of millions of dollars yeah that's why rick scott was the right he was the what, governor or something? Yeah, he's a governor, yeah. And he wouldn't pass the database.

Yeah. Because he's probably got someone on the phone with him back in the back saying, if you pass this shit, you're done. Because there's billions, bro. And there's money. And there's no, there's no, makes no sense to not have that database in Florida when they got it everywhere else. When we're, like why?

Why would you? Hey, we don't want that here. Exactly. But why? So I think the company he, he was partnered in too, paid out like the biggest pharmaceutical settlement of all time. Purdue paid out the biggest. right? They just paid billion.

They just, what happened to Purdue? What was the, I don't even know what the latest? Maybe he was part of Purdue. They shut it down. They shut it down, right? This was recently. Yeah, it was because of deaths, I think. It wasn't because, like, there was a medical thing.

It was, it was because people were dying. Like our, like I was saying, like eight Floridians, I mean, you could probably look it up, but eight Floridians a day were dying due to overdose of opiates. And then I wonder what happened to the guys who owned Purdue, the two guys. What was their last name? Their names are on like the most precise. prestigious museums in New York. Yeah, that's what got me, bro.

Imagine how many bodies those dude have. Right. From, like, selling those pills and killing people. Yeah. And then they have a fucking monument. Oh, yeah. They've fucking donated money to these museums, and they have their names inscribed

in some of the most, like, infamous museums around the country. Well, that just shows you where our country's at. You know what I mean? Like, rewarded. I wonder where those guys are now. I don't know, but they're probably on a fucking island somewhere with a boatload of money.

You know they like... They're hanging out with the CEO at Enron. Yeah. They probably had so many people like Epstein did that they could just like freaking, you know, oh, you didn't know about this. Like, so they probably... They got so much dirt on people. And again, an addition to that is the FDA,

the people that worked for the FDA ended up a year later working for them. They had people that were FDA employees that they hired to work for Purdue. Oh, yeah, yeah, to approve their shit, right? To approve shit. Yeah, that's all that. That's crazy, man. I just saw something recently, too. I forget where I saw it.

I saw it somewhere on Twitter. I think I'm going to save a screenshot of it somewhere. But it was saying that currently 75% of the FDA's review budget is paid for by like Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson. Right. That's kind of creepy, dude. That's insane. Yeah, bro. That is definitely insane.

I got to find it. That's 75? Yeah. think that was that let me find it right now i know that florida or maybe it was the united states as a whole but had the most like opioid prescriptions prescribed i think it was florida we had it has to be yeah so they were literally just like giving the shit out yeah bro it's fucking insane that's what peru did man it said we're not going to tell you about it we're just going to give you this pill and it literally would make your pain go away and you feel good but not knowing the whole time like

Right, you're going to get addicted. Here it is. Biopharmacical industry, the whole biopharmaceutical industry provides 75% of the FDA's drug review budget. That's posted in Forbes by John LaMatina. That's corruption right there, bro. It doesn't get much like noticeable than that. But YouTube, yes, today or yesterday, they announced that they used to like suppress videos that talked about, like, misinformation, like, about the vaccine.

If you talk about the vaccine or say, talk about, like, any kind of bad side effects. Now they'll delete the videos. They used to shadow ban it. Now, now, as of today, they said they're going to start deleting all those videos. Yeah, if you talk about, like, COVID or certain topics. Yeah. So this video will probably be deleted by next time.

Damn. Don't talk bad about the FDA. I know, right? So, yeah, man, it just, like, it got bad for a minute. You know what I mean? And I ended up getting sentenced to prison again. And like I was saying, like I ended up going, when I was in the Chow Hall at the reception center, the officers are all walking back and forth with files because there's a bunch of bluebird buses lined up ready to take us to one of our, you know, glorious destinations in Florida. So when we're in there, I'm like, yo, Sarge, where are we going?

Because I'm like, you know what camps. Like we call them camps in Florida. They're not like, you know, people watch it probably think like day camp or some shit. Right. But these are violent places. they just happen to be called camp. So, you know, you hear about when you're in the reception, when you're in jail, because people will be coming back from prison or you'll just hear it like on the wire,

like, oh, this prison's sweet. You can do this and this. So there's always like three prisons that are sweet in the state of Florida. So when everybody's waiting to go there, they're always like, man, I hope I'm going here. I hope I'm going there. So we're in the chow hall and I'm like, yo, Sarge, where are we going? And we're all sitting down the table. He's like, you don't want to know where you're going.

I was like, where am I going? Like, I don't understand. What do you mean? He's like, you're going to the golf, which is like, The Gulf. Yeah, they call it the Gulf. It's a golf correctional. It's a violent camp, man.

So I didn't know, like, how bad it was when he said that. I figured, oh, he's just trying to, like, boo me up and scare me and shit. So we drive, like, eight. I forget how long it took, but we get to the prison up in the panhandle, like close to Georgia, Alabama area and we get off the bus like four or five redneck hillbilly fat obese the women look like dudes you know you could put three teeth you know between the five of them to make a you know and they come over and they we're all standing in the line and they say welcome to we wahitka Florida and we go hit you and then they just like started screaming in our face like

get your shit get to the fucking like it's like a boot camp they run Florida like a military kind of in prison so they're all with uh in your face like oh you want to i fuck me motherfucker like right in your face looking at you and that's really like well first when he's when they said that i was like yo where the fuck am i at i felt like i was in what did he say what did he say it was the town called wewa hitchka yeah the for uh the prison's in a town called wewa hitchka we wa hitchka yeah okay so he said welcome to We wahitka and we gong hit you, meaning like we're going to beat your ass like whenever we get the chance. And they weren't lying about that.

They should put that on the sign when you pull, when you drive through. For real, right. Well, there was supposedly like all these like rumors like the KKK, a lot of the officers were KKK members. Oh, I'm sure they are. Yeah. And that's like pretty known in Florida. Yeah. Because there was actually dudes that got busted, two guards that were announced like they were KKK members.

Really? And you see like, you don't. Like you don't feel it, man, like for me to tell you, like, like, you could hear a mouse piss on cotton. That's how, like, high your nerves were when you were in there. Like, because you just didn't know, like, what was going to happen. Like, when I called home for the first time, you know, I only have my grandparents.

I don't have any other family. And, well, she passed away, but she's alive at this time. And I call because I just got to the camp. I know I'm going to be at. I know I'm going to be here. So I'm like, all right, let me order my winter clothes, like, my packages and everything. So they're trying to figure out how to do the packages.

And I'm like, I'm at golf correctional. So she's doing the stuff online. I call back like probably an hour later. And she's like, are you going to be okay? I'm like, what do you? I just Googled it. Yeah, I just Googled it. And there's 75% murderers and, you know, like Florida puts everybody together.

People think it's like California. In Florida, you can be in the cell with the chomo, meaning, you know what I mean. Traumeluster. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously, if you're a stand-up, dude, you're going to, you know, you're not going to sleep in the same cell. You're going to either smack them or something's going to happen. But what I'm getting at is Florida is like a cesspool, man. They literally just put everybody with everybody. So you have, you know, Aryan Brotherhood, Unforgiven, Crips, GD's, bloods, all in the same, like, dorm with 120 people.

So, I mean, they literally, like, don't care. First off, or they wouldn't do that. And you don't have to really worry. So I didn't really have to worry so much about the inmates after I'd been there for a little while. It was the guards that, like, you really had to, like, worry about. And I didn't find how about how serious that was until I went to confinement. And I was only at golf for, like, I think, three weeks before I ended up in confinement. So when I got there, they put me in M-Dorm.

M-Dorm has a one and a two. So you can go in one side, like an A and a B, right? and they have like, I forget, 100 inmates, I think, in each one. So I get put into M2. I'm in there and they move this dude in, right? As he comes in, there's three officers with him. So I don't know any of this at this time, but apparently this dude had been at that at the main unit.

Remember how I said there was like an annex in a main unit? Well, he was at the main. I was at the annex. Now they're bringing him over to the annex because he got into a relationship with one of the female officers, right? and she, I guess, was, like, obsessed with him or so. She fell hard for him, you know what I mean? But the dude was a booty bandit.

What is that? So in prison, you have dudes that are labeled like booty bandits. And that's literally from the time they wake up to the time they go to sleep. They're hunting ass, like who they're going to fuck, bro. Like, they're looking for people they can finesse, meaning like, like, I mean, I don't know how they do it, but I know how other people get finessed. And that would be like, you know, I come into it. a dorm, he would come up to me and be like, hey, bro, my cousin knew your cousin on the street,

and he robbed him. And now dude's going to have his whole gang beat your ass. So then he would turn around, but at the same time, and be like, listen, man, you know, I'm going to take care of it, but, you know, I'm going to need something for that. And then that turns into two suits. And then a month later, he's getting his whole fucking order. And the kid just doesn't even know because he just wants to stay alive. Oh, my fucking God.

So this guy He gets brought into the dorm by all the officers They bring him up to the officer station This is my luck, right? I'm in the corner bunk on the wall It's an open bay dorm with bunk beds on the outer And then single bunks in the middle So I'm on the wall back

Oh shit I'm on the wall back to the camera good I didn't mean to do it You're good man it's all right Which one did you hit? I think I just went like that I don't think he touched it It should be good

No, we're good. Okay. So he gets into the dorm. I'm sleeping in the corner bunk, right? Yeah. They move him in the bunk next to me, like on the other side and the other aisle. So they move, he comes in, he goes to officer, they assign him the bunk. I can already tell, like, I'm pretty good at, like, reading people to see if, like, you know,

I can pretty much tell if I'm going to like you or not. I mean, I think everyone's kind of like that. But in there, that sense on me was, like, turned up really high because you don't want to open the door to people, like, Like, you know, because then once that door is open, it's hard to close it. Hence the kid that, you know, started with a soup. And now he's given his whole order. Right, right. Because a lot of people in there don't get money.

So they're going to, I mean, I'll get into that later. But. Okay. So this guy, I looked at him and I instantly knew, like, I'm not going to like this dude. Just the way, like, his mannerisms were, he was really, like, loud and disrespectful. And I don't like that. Like, I don't like Big Mouse. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. So they move him next to my bunk. I go about my day. I'm in the day room. I think I was working out or doing something. And I came back around the corner and the officers were there. This dude had left the dorm, I think, to go like to classification or something. You get a box in prison. They call it a foot locker. It sits on the ground where you put all your personal property in it. And as I'm turning the corner, they got this dude's box and dumped all his legal paperwork. I mean, the dude had been down for like 15 years. So he's accumulated a lot of shit when he's been in there. excuse me so when i come around the corner they're dumping all this shit's dude all this stuff's dude all this shit in the fucking dorm and they just whip out and start pissing all over his shit in the middle of the dorm like three officers so i was like oh man this is bad he just moved in it next to me all the officers don't like him so i know like my little area where i'm living's gonna be hot because they're always gonna be over there fucking with that dude so when he got in the

relationship with the woman officer at the main unit, she caught feelings, I guess. What was his dude? What did he look like? He was a black dude. He was probably like 510, like 250. So a big dude, big jacked dude? I mean, he was not super tall, 510, but. Yeah, he wasn't jacked.

He was just like big boned. You know what I mean? Okay, okay. So not like a super intimidating, like, Debo looking kind of guy. Yeah, I mean, not intimidating. The only thing like that where I was having like second thoughts is he had like 29 years he had already been down 15 so like usually those dudes like aren't fighting they're stabbing shit so that's really like when i saw him i was like man i know i'm not gonna like this dude but i'm

gonna try to just because like he's he lives next to me but once i saw why wouldn't now why wouldn't why wouldn't he why wouldn't he fight why would he stab instead of fight because they're not it's that it's that type of violence like they're right and he's been in there a long time he's over fighting people probably right he's fucking doing 30 years and yeah that that too but even young people man that come in like that's the new thing in prison like there's not any fighting if you're gonna fight man you're there's gonna be a knife at some point okay it's just Florida's crazy man then you I mean there's a lot of shit that goes on but I'll get into that in a minute um so they're pissing on a shit I see this I know off rip I'm not gonna like this dude right so time went on and they

moved like there's the difference between a gay guy and a booty bandit right okay so in there like you're not like me i didn't talk to any of them because i don't want to be labeled that and when you're talking to them somebody sees that and they're like oh man that white boy likes it like that you know what i mean so i don't i didn't fuck with them when i was in there but in prison you have gay dudes that are like feminine like paint their nails and put skittled like for blush and shit they moved one of those into the dorm and when they do that man like you'll be in a dorm and like we'll all be hanging out playing poker playing cards and everyone will be like oh all convict shit but then when one of those dudes get moved into the dorm all of a sudden that tough guy gangster tatted up is like over on the

dude's bunk sitting down having long talks with them and there's literally like five dudes that are trying to do this because they're trying to get her they call it a her in there right And you watch this go on. Well, my bunky, the booty bandit, you already know, like, he's already on that. So he's loving this. So he's now on the bunk trying to get with the punk. And they would wake up on Saturday morning. This is kind of where it started with that, me fighting that dude.

So he was bringing his friends over to his bunk. And they were all chilling talking about, oh, they would be like, he ain't going to get her. I'm going to get her. And they would, like, talk about, like, how they're going to finesse the gay do to give it up right so on saturday they would all wake up like four or five of them and they would sat on sat on sat on saturdays they give you coffee cake in prison right so they would all go to the chow hall to get the coffee cake not eat it bring it back and see who could get it to the punk first because then they would think like they won something it was like on that type of level like predator

type shit oh my god so they're doing this i'm watching all his friends talk about it and like when you're on your bunk and like you're trying to just like escape from everybody and now I got like the gay boy gangsters over here like talking about how they're gonna you know get this punk so my god dude that's really like where I was like this is gonna happen because he was already disrespecting me from having that shit going on where I'm trying to sleep and the fact of just how he is so it was like but what one what it did what did do it was we were in uh we were in master roster count. They come in and you have to sit up on your bunk and read off your DC number as they walk through the dorm every inmates and they're counting. So when they get done counting the dorm,

they'll say relax and you can lay back on your bunk and kind of hang out for like 10 minutes until the Cappahassee will clear count, right? So then we can all get up and do everything. So there was this lady that worked the dorm and like in there there's gunners. I don't know if your audience or he knows what that is. So a gunner is, if they move a female officer into the officer station and she's in there and she works night shift, the lights in prison are out when I was in at, I think 10 or 11, I forget the exact. Oh, no. It's just when the guys, like, they wait for the women to walk by and they start jacking off. Yeah, bro. Oh, my.

Yeah. Or, like, they do it any which way. Like, you literally will get up at 10 or 11 when the lights are out and you'll go to the water fountain in the day room. And dude is literally the water fountain's like right here and the officer station's like, right here. So he's just standing there with his shit out, jacking his dick to her. And she's just sitting there watching it and likes it. Like some of them like it. It's freaking crazy. But a lot of them don't. And that's where you get that you can get charged and shit for that. You go to confinement and all that shit and they torture you. So, but so this dude, right, he has all these like punks

going on over near my bunk. And finally, we're in master roster that night. And that this officer, they all liked a gun down when she worked was working. So instead of waiting until we clear count, I had rolled over to face the wall to take a nap, right? Like during the 10 minute, like a little cat nap. So I hear like commotion, like laughing and all this shit going on. So I roll back over and this dude's literally on the bunk, butt-ass naked, jacking his dick,

why we're all sitting in Master Roster. He's gunning the lady through the window of the officer station. Like she's not even looking at him. Like she's like turned around and he's just like oh She's the needer dog She's fitting to get it And then he would just start So I roll over and wake up to this

So which is really like disrespectful You know to do to somebody in prison And so I didn't say anything I just put my shoes on stood up And we just I just took off on and we started fighting And we were fighting for like a good minute And in there like a minute's a pretty long fight You know

Really anywhere Was he fighting back? Yeah yeah we were fighting This naked guy with a boner? Well, he had his boxers on it. Oh, okay. But I think they ended up fucking, because we were on the ground, like, fighting, and, like, it ended up going to the ground.

That's when we got sprayed by the mace. So they all come in, they handcuffed us. They take us to the shower. We had mace and shit. He's lumped up, right? Bleeding out of his eye. So they take him to medical to, like, get stitched up and shit. And they're taking me to confinement.

They literally just walk you from whatever dorm you're in across the compound. And there's a confinement wing where all the people go. to the box. And so the warden happened to be making rounds on the prison that night. As I'm walking out, you know, I'm fucking got his blood on me. I got mace, which is another thing. You don't want to fight like booty bandits or people like that because a lot of them have AIDS. So that's why a lot of people don't like do shit to them. You want to get their blood on you. Yeah, you don't want to get that antibody karate. So I'm walking across the compound. The warden is like doing his walk, walks, through the compound of shit and he comes over to the two officers that are walking me,

you know, my hands behind my back. And he's like, and he, and so he's like, what happened? And I was like, fucking pissed because now I know I'm going to the box. You know, it's winter. I'm going to be fucking cold. So I was like, dude, listen, the dude was gunning next to me and I'm not, I'm not living like that. I don't respect that.

So I did what I had to do. And he's like, are you A, B? Like, thinking I was an Aryan brother or some shit. Oh. So I was like, no, man, I'm a neutron. like I'm solo and he's like all right so he you could tell like they were like that's what's up you see what I'm saying like the warden kind of like you're hearing them be like yeah bro he got him decent like they knew this dude so and everybody knew him so he was a problem he was a constant

problem yeah and like everybody knew about that fight because everybody knew of him and how he was and then nobody really knew of me it was just like the white boy that beat dirt's ass you know what I I get in a confinement. I'm in my cell, and they bring him from medical into the confinement wing. And right when he gets in, like the officers, I guess, had like said some shit to other inmates or whatever. And so when he walks in, they're like, oh, you let that white boy beat your ass. So now they're, like, booing the whole situation up again. So I'm like, man, like, I'm going to do, you know, 50, 60 days in the box.

I think it's 30 and I sat in there for a little while too, wait. to go to DR court. But now I'm going to get out and I'm going to have to go right back in because there's no way this dude is going to let this be known. You know what I mean? He's going to fight you again or try to stab you or something. Yeah. And so I did, I think I did like, I forget how many days, but I was back in confinement.

And that is when I saw how the officers really are. And like when I saw that is really when I was like I laid down that night after all that shit had happened, what they did. and I was just like bro like I could not go home and it doesn't have to be like a gang thing or anything like that like they were literally killing people there like it's in the it's in the paper and everything just instigating situations and shit they would yeah well they would definitely do that but what they did was they targeted the gunners so when you go to confinement and you go for gunning they put a one dash nine on your door and they do that for like each charge and they have your your charges when you're being released your pictures all on your door, right? The two, like, two cellies got the pictures on it. So, like, they would see the one dash nine on the dude's door and they would like instigate him and talk shit and be like, you know, the officers would do that and sell them out. And then one day, like, there was a, there's a captain in Florida who's usually in charge of like 10 officers or, I don't know,

but they're like the upper dudes in the system, right? They wear a white shirt. So I guess the gunner had said something to one of the officers when they were. messing with them, right? And the captain came in, and he literally just walked in the middle of the dorm, and there's all cells going down here, and then there's a top tier where they go up top. So there's two levels. And he stood in the middle of the dorm. At first, he told us all to get off our windows. And then he just said, if y'all want to gun my white women, get your ass on the door. Like he was begging somebody to, like, say, fuck you, sir, or fuck you, captain. You know what I'm saying? And there's always one motherfucker in there that'll be that dude. Like, no matter

what. So this dude was like, fuck you, da da da da da da and he starts selling him out through the door, right? So the captain and like three officers go over to this dude's cell. Now they open his flap. He's still talking shit. And they're supposed to turn on a like back then it was a handheld camcorder. And they, when an inmate was bucking, they call it bucking, like when you're kicking the door, screaming. So they would turn the camera on and they would have to record what was going down as they extracted the inmate from the cell to make sure like, you know, they didn't break the law, which. So what they do is they would literally have the camera.

The camera guy would be behind two other officers. They go over to the door with the camera off, talk a bunch of shit to this inmate, get them going crazy. And then boom, they turn the camera on and they're like, inmates, stop bucking. Stop. Like, they make it seem like he just started to go crazy for no fucking reason. And they were trying to get him to calm down. So they sprayed this dude through the food.

flap with Black Jesus is what it was back then. I think they took it out, but it was like a strong ass OC spray that like if we sprayed it in the front parking lot or like 50 yards away, like we would be like choking. That's how powerful it was. Like we in confinement, it would come through the vents in the cell. So if dude upstairs got sprayed, the air, the return vent would bring it into all the other cells. So you're literally like 10 cells away and you have to take your shirt off and you wet it

little bit and you like mask your face to kind of stop from the shit getting in your nose. Jesus. So this dude's in the cell. After they spray you, they're supposed to take you out and put you in a shower because that shit's that powerful. Like it needs to get off you. So they didn't do that with him, man. They just left them in there for like an hour.

And that stuff not only gets on your eyes, it gets on anything it touches. So like your hands will be burning just from getting the like, you know, the residue on you. And he was literally like screaming for. for his mom. Like, that's how much, like, he was,

like, going through it in there. And that's really when I was like, because these are hard, like, these aren't no bitches, you know what I'm saying?

And when you hear a grown man and know, like, there's nothing he can do to control this situation. It's totally out of his hands. Like, he is literally at the mercy

of whatever they want to do to him. So they did that. He's screaming. He finally, like, calm down from screaming, but he couldn't breathe. So that's probably why

he couldn't, scream and they ended up having to go in on a stretcher and get him out of there and the dude ended up dying like a couple days later or some shit we found out i don't know if that was true because that's through like you know the inmate telephone type shit so what was the black stuff what like what was it's called black jesus yeah it's a big oc mace ohc mais but the shit shoots like a fucking fire like it shoots like it shoots like so it's like one of those big hands like a trigger on it. Yeah, yeah. And it was black? Like a trigger like that. They would put it

on their belt, you know what I mean? You know, walk around with it. But yeah, it was, I think they took it out of the prison system because of just how, like, ruthless and, you know, like, people that had asthma. There you go. Black label pepper spray? Yeah. Jesus. Black Jesus. Fuck, man.

Yeah, I don't know if that was the real name. I think it was, though, but that's what everybody called it. It's a good name for it. Yeah, no, for real, right? Just to make you see Jesus. Yeah. And that's like, really, man, like where I was like, that was the first time ever in my life. I was like, man, I need to change my life because I'm in there and I'm in the dorm and I'm going to, like, get on the phone and you look around and there's dudes that have been in there for 22 years who haven't gotten on the phone or talk to anybody in like 15 years.

Haven't had no, like, you know, because their family died or they were people. is a shit and nobody wants to talk to them but majority of people a lot of that goes on in prison and you know like through my life i don't know about like you or anything but like my parents would always tell me shit when i was younger right like you don't want to be a drug dealer and i was like yes i do and now i'm in prison because of it so it's like i was like i heard all that shit when i was young but i just thought i was different and i could i was unique and i wasn't going to get caught or whatever and now i'm sitting in prison with old guys like, you know, in their 60s, that got life or never getting out, never seeing the daylight.

And they're telling me, like, man, if you keep doing what you've been doing, you're going to be me. And that was really where I could see it at that point. I could see like, like, I could always tell myself, man, I got 10 more years to keep getting in trouble. But then it got to the point where, like, I was worried about the charge that I was going to get because the violence and the crime just keeps getting bigger and bigger when you're on the street. Like it starts from, you know, selling pills to robbing pharmacies to writing scripts to, you know, a bunch of different levels. And then, you know, you're robbing people. So now they could have a gun, you know, so you never know.

Like I lived for the day, you know what I mean? And it was then that I was like, man, like, I really need to get my shit together. But I didn't know how to do it. You know what I mean? I had been like so caught up in the game for so long that like I didn't really want to work a normal job because I, I, I would have. I would always tell myself, why am I going to go work for, you know, $400 a week when I could be making $5 grand. And that's what kept me in it. But when they put that database into effect and I went to prison again, that was really like I was like, man, like I want to do something different in my life.

You know, I don't want my legacy to be like a fucking low-level drug dealer. You know what I mean? It's still doing the same shit. Yeah. So, like, after you went to confinement after beating up that dude who was, uh, jacking off on the lady. What are you called Gunner? Gunner after you meet up the gunner.

And they try to instigate, obviously, like if you're going to get out, it's going to be conflict between you guys again. What happens when you guys get out? So we both got released the same time, right? It was like me, him, and like two other guys. So we have our shit with the, we go out to the bubble where the door's open and they tell us what dorm we're going to. So like he didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything. We walked out of the door confinement to go to our. dorms and I just like I just stepped off over to him and I'm like bro listen I'm done with that shit if you're done with it we're good but if you want to run it back we can run it back but we might well just do it here because we're not gonna you know we're going right back here right so he was like no bro straight is straight but still even then like when I went back into the dorm and you know got in the groove of that dorm and like started knowing people and shit like but when that was going on I was still like you know this dude could come

me when I'm sleeping. It's nothing for him to leave his dorm and sneak off into my dorm because the guards don't really give a fuck. You know what I mean? So it was like a probably a couple weeks where there's nothing in between you and then when you're sleeping. Oh no. No. So like you're sleeping as close to you are right now, but we would just be laying down. And that's how it is. But there's like no doors on your bunk. Not in an open bay. In a cell, you're, you can have doors in a cell. It's called a T building. And there you're going to have doors. But not in an open bay and even when you have a door they make shit to pop the locks like you can get a you can get a soda can and take off the thing under the lip and you can use that to pop your door or

like there's other shit too but so you're not you're not safe like and and and i'm not a small dude i work i was even bigger in there i worked out all the time kept up top shape ready at any time to go and like i'm i'm worried you know what i mean so i know like now i'm in a place where like like I graduated to the next level of you know problems and I didn't gang bang when I was in there I you know after I thought that dude and I got out of confinement I was on the yard and everything all the white boys that are in like unforgiven and I think there was some A-B there and some other skinheads they were like yo what's up bro you want to probate like probate to get into the gang like you have to do like certain shit to get in and I was just like nah but I didn't like

disrespect them because at the same time, like, I didn't know what was going to happen with the dude and I'm new in this prison. So I need to make some friends. Right. In case like, you know, people are going to try to stab me or whatever. But nothing ended up happening. I ended up getting moved over to the work camp. But I didn't go outside the gate. I didn't have a gate pass. So, I mean, that was like a work camp, which is kind of different. It's kind of more laid back. But there was the same shit was going on, just not on the same level. You know what I mean? It was kind of more like chill

It's crazy how ever The people in prison are just reduced to like The most primitive form of humans Like jacking off on the girls Walking down the hall That's fucking crazy It's like it's like monkeys at a zoo I know

It's what they do It would bro I was so disgusted with it Like I had no idea that that shit Was like going on in there And then when you see it bro It's like The way I look at it is he's raping that chick And we're all watching

Yeah know what I mean it was so like we were on the yard one time bro and they have gun towers in the prison yard like where the gate is so they can see the whole prison and the yard and around so there's all these inmates on the yard right and if you look up in the prison tower there's windows where the officers are so there's these like this group of dudes that's over to the side where the picnic table is like there's like a blind spot where the officer on the yard couldn't see them and they're jacking off to the person in the gun tower except that That gun tower, nobody went up in it because it was under construction.

They were gunning a mop, turned upside down, leaned on the window. They thought it was a chick. Holy fuck. So they're gunning a fucking mop, bro. That gives you any idea. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

So, I mean, if that gives you any idea of what type of people. And that, like, that was a big reason, too, why I didn't want to go back. It was because it was getting to the point where there's, like, so much. disrespect like you know you're just crammed in there with everybody you can't get away from anybody and you're around 100 different personalities from gunners the freaking murderers and i was just like man like i could probably do more time but i can't do it with these people and i know if i come back i'm going to be doing it and it just got worse too as time goes on because in there everybody's doing tucci and k2 so like they're literally strung out in prison and now you got all the

bullshit that comes with drugs and that lifestyle going on in there. So there's an epidemic. Like people are dying left and right in Florida prison right now because of it. Yeah. Is it true? Most people I talk to, they say they have like a super boosted immunity, like immune system when they come out of prison just because of all the shit they're exposed to. Like they don't get sick.

Yeah. I never get sick. Like many people just say like they never get sick because they were exposed to so much bullshit in prison and so much fucking. I've seen a dude in prison. prison, right? His arm was like sitting up like this and he couldn't fold it down. So he was walking around everywhere. In his armpit was a freaking thing like a softball and it was red and gooey and shit. He had like either Mercer or staff or whatever he had. It could have been a spider bite. So he

goes to medical to be like, hey, I can't put my arm down. And they're like, here's three IV profing. Go back to the dorm. You'll be okay. And that's their medical like. That's all they do. It's either Tylenol or ibuprofen for everything. Unless you are like literally, like, you know, you're about to die. Then they're going to like bay flight you out of there and shit. Oh my God. Yeah, the medical like, and that's scary too, man, because you never know.

Like you get bit by Brown Lacuse, which are everywhere up there in prison. Like they're planting shit in you. And next thing you know, your pinky's falling off. Oh, my God. That's fucking brutal. Yeah, so. All that shit. man, just like, I think it was just all of it combined.

And then, you know, when I got out, I wanted to change. You know what I mean? I just didn't really, like, know how. I didn't know, like, what to do for... What do they tell you when, like, right before you got released? Did they say, like, we're gonna, like... I didn't even know when I was being released. I had to have my people that I was calling home to, like, tell me.

Like, my classification officer told me, like, three weeks prior. But it was just like, hey, here's where you go. You got to go report when you get out to the state of Florida. and you'll get a food stamp card and I think they gave me, I don't know, I didn't get, I got picked up, but usually they'll give people a bus ticket in like $50.

I think it's even lower than that. It used to be $100. A bus ticket and $50. Yeah, after like 10 years. Good luck, buddy. Yeah, we'll see you back. Yeah, yeah. We'll see you in 48 hours.

Yeah. So, I mean, I got out and I wanted to do the right thing. I like still was still fucking up a little bit, like with drugs. and selling them and doing them and just like not wanting to work a full-time job because I couldn't find one and if I did it was like McDonald's or and I just I don't know I guess my pride like wouldn't let me do that I don't know why but so um I ended up make a lot of money working at McDonald's now yeah nowadays so um I just I tried to change at that point but I was still like one foot in one

foot out and like my grandma that raised me because my dad died when I was seven my mom was a drug addict and alcoholic and still is um I was at work one day I'm working at the gym now so I'm starting to like make that transition into like legal work and shit and I had met a good girl so that helped a lot someone that never been in the life or you know any of that type stuff um I'm at the gym and I'm leaving I'm going home my grandfather calls me and he's like hey go to St. Joe's in Tampa. That's where they're bringing your grandma. So all this time, like, that I was doing the pills and everything. Like, my grandma had, like, anxiety because my dad died and my aunt died. So she buried both of her kids when they were, like, in their 20s. So she already

had, like, anxiety. And then she had, um, fibromyalgia. So she was on the pain pills and the Xanax, like for her own shit. But I think along the line, like, even though, like, even though, like, Like she didn't do crazy shit, but she was addicted. Like she had to have it every day or she felt like shit. So she ended up getting put on oxygen because of like, you know, that shit slows down your respiratory. So you can be shortness of breath and shit like that. So they put her on the oxygen. They put the thing in the garage of my grandparents' house and they run the cable into the living room.

And then she can walk into her bedroom so she can still use it. And she was trying to quit smoking, but I guess she was. wanted a cigarette. So she lit a cigarette and the oxygen caught and burned her, like literally gulfed her body. And my grandpa's in the front room. So he can't hear her scream because she's literally on fire and can't breathe. So like I think that went on for a couple minutes. And then he finally had went out and saw her and like, you know, did what he had to do to get her to the, they ended up bay flight and her to the burn unit. And she had like third degree burns over, I think like 80% of her body like she was she was like in a coma or whatever they had did to her when i got there and she had a

dnr so there wasn't like like there was nothing we could do to give her back her quality of life you know what i mean so yeah so and she i think had a dnr man because like my she buried both of her kids and then she helped raise me and now here i am you know fucking doing dumb shit so i think she was just done with life man honestly like she told my grandfather if any anything ever comes down to it, don't save me. Let me go. Jesus, fuck, man. So that happened, and then I kind of was like, fuck everything. You know what I mean? I kind of wild out for a good minute, like a couple months or something. And the girl I was with,

like, stayed with me. And she was like, you're better than this. Da-da-da-da-da. So over time, man, I just, like, finally had started to, like, understand, like, what life is. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't, I never had, like, responsibilities. I never, I never showed up where I said I was going to show up at what time. You know what I mean? I was always like, I was just like, like, holidays would pass. And I was like, though, Christmas was like two months ago.

Like, I was so in like a fog, man, where I don't even know how I'm alive, honestly. Like, the shit that not only I put in my body, but, you know, just being in that life. Like, you know, you're getting robbed. You're robbing people. Like, there's a lot of shit. So, you know, having a good woman in my life, I think was, like, one of the catalyst to me making changes because, like, I don't have any family, you know what I mean? Like, I don't have anybody, really, other than, like, my wife.

I ended up marrying her. And so she kind of, like, I guess I was, like, just ready to change, too. But I just, I wanted to do something more with my life. And then I started doing the personal training. I got really good at that and I started making like bonuses for being like top seller in the state and shit. And then the shit happened with my grandma and I was working at one gym and I kind of just like fell off. You know what I mean? I was like, fuck it.

I'm like I was just ready to kill myself honestly because I didn't, you know, it was like it was upsetting. And then so I stopped working at this one gym and that's when I meet the dude saying like you helped me open this gym. like he made me a personal training manager and I started opening the gym with him and I did exactly what he said. I didn't do anything wrong. You know what I mean? And he was just like, no one's going to believe you. You're a felon. So when this was going on, I was, I, you know, suit the Department of Labor sued him because he did this to three other people. So there was going to be like a, like an investigation on it. And I was calling him on the phone because I couldn't get him to give me my checks. And then he finally he just said, like, I'm going to give you a trespassing warrant if you come up here and ask for it.

Like, he wouldn't even do it. He'd have somebody else tell me that. Where's this guy now? He ended up losing the gym because he's a fucking scumbag and that's karma. But he, he's, I don't want to, his name's Joe. So, but anyways, I recorded all his phone calls and I did an episode on it on my channel and told the whole story and like put him out there on it. You know what I mean? Right. And then, you know, after I did that. Just don't docks him.

Yeah, exactly. So, and then that's when I found out about the YouTube, man. Like we were kind of talking. I was, you know, on break at work, I was watching YouTube. Next thing I know there's like all these people that have been to prison telling their stories. And like I watched their channels go from like 10,000 subscribers to, you know, 100,000, 200, 300,000.

And now they're like making a living, feeding their whole family. And just from telling like their life, you know, like what they went through. Yeah. So I saw all that going on on YouTube and I was like, well, I can do that. And I got a lot of good stories I could tell. And I know a lot of people that have been in trouble. So it's pretty going to be easy for me to find people, right? So as I'm watching the YouTube, like there was like, you know, there was a lot of drama in the prison genre, like, between channels and shit.

So I never saw a channel man where somebody like went on, told all their stories and then like used that, turned it into a positive. and then would help people that are still stuck in that, like where I was, confusion on, like, you know, what am I going to do with my life? I don't see a way for change. And so on my stuff, like, you know, I did an episode on the mayor I was telling you about, I do like stuff like that. But when I do, like, interviews with people or I'm telling, like, you know, one of my personal stories, like, I don't, I'm not just glorifying it.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I made 50 grand one month selling pills, but that was one month. I made a lot of money. but I didn't have shit to show for that when it was all done and said, you know, when you're making a lot of money, you spend a lot of money. And then when you get high, you really spend a lot of money on shit that you don't even know. Like, I would wake up and be like, I bought that, like, not even know. So I wanted to, like, you know, make my channel different, obviously.

And I just want to, you know, spread the message that, like, people can change because I didn't think I could. You know what I mean? And if, like, I've been with nothing, you know what I mean? I've been not knowing where I was going to sleep at night. Like that's where it got to. And then having no family even makes that more of a, you know. So I just want, I wanted to help people is why I started. And I also want, you know, to be able to like, this is like a side hustle, work for myself.

And hopefully something will come out of it. And if not, I'll just do personal training. You know what I mean? Yeah, man. Some of the most interesting people I've ever met have been on this show, people that have been in prison for a long time. Yeah. talented people that have had a lot of time to reflect you know what i mean they have nothing to distract themselves with except look inward and you know what i mean reflect on their own lives and and and

you know that combined with the people that they've met and like the story that there's most straight up most fascinating people are people that have you know done a lot of time in prison yeah i think it makes you appreciate the smaller things in life what what do you what do you think the i don't know like how bad the opioid epidemic is right now or like since Purdue's been shut down. I don't know like what the statistics are on deaths or anything, but what, what do you think the answer is for to, you know, to stop all of the overdoses and, you know, obviously it's, it's, you can't make the stuff illegal. You know, if it's, if it stays legal and it's still prescribed, you know, to people who, who, who need it

or who are in pain or who have cancer or whatever it is, like, what do you think, The answer is to stop all the deaths and all the overdoses and everything. I don't think you can, man. I think it's been going on since, you know, the mafia is bringing heroin in. Like, people, I think now it's just on a bigger level and it's more accessible. And I think they're trying to not make it as accessible as it used to be because, like, there was a point where my grandma couldn't even get her prescriptions filled because of all the corruption and all the people dying and all the doctors being under like,

like they're under watch now. And now a normal person that really needs pain medicine because they have cancer or, you know, muscle disease or whatever, that they can't get it because they're all being, like we were prescribed the most opiates at one time, our state. In the whole world, like from other countries, like our country gets the most pills, right? So when that started happening and people are dying,

then the I guess I don't know who's in charge of it but they were like all right we need to crack down so they crack down on Purdue and and all those other you know manufacturers and then that's when I think the fentanyl really started to take off and now it's which is a what is it a hundred times more potent yeah like if you get it on your skin you can OD right like there's a video of a cop arresting a dude and he reached in his pocket and grabbed a bag of fentanyl it was open and didn't have gloves on and he you like there's an actual video and you can watch the guy's standing up and the other cops like, yo, are you all right?

And the guy just like, you saw that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he dies? Well, he didn't die, but he would have if they didn't hit him with Narcan. Jesus.

You know it's bad when all the cops have to carry Narcan. Like, that should tell you the level of what it's, what it's become. That's fucking crazy. I didn't know that. I didn't know that video existed. Yeah,

it's like a, I think it's like a cop in Arizona. Yeah, I forget where, but I remember seeing it. Yeah, it went viral though. Yeah. But he just gets like,

you can see he gets like dizzy and it just falls. Well, I mean the fentanyl things crazy, especially because it's like someone like cocaine is being cut with it. Yeah, well, like there's like there's three people that were just partied in in LA like a month ago or whatever and like,

or four people and two or three of them died. And the one lady, she lived. She lived, but she was on life support or she like barely, barely survived. Yeah, bro. That's shit.

Like I've known probably a hundred people in the last like. two years that have died from either fentany. Like now they're... How many? Over 100, man. Definitely over 100. I used to know a lot of people that were like I would help guys that are in programs like rehabs or I went to one a long time ago.

So I knew like everybody in that whole thing and there's people literally dying like, you know, every week there just because they leave and go get high and now they're doing fentanyl and... Well, the problem is if you make it illegal, then cartels are just going to, are just going to push it. And that's what happened with the, now it's like fentanyl and meth, I think are really like the top like, I don't know if they're the killers, but

they're up there with like ruining lives. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, it's a, I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer. But I would imagine that you know, at least for prescriptions, for doctors who are prescribing this shit, at least you got to, there has to be some sort of some sort of

something they have to communicate where they say that like this could ruin, this could destroy your life. this is what happens. Like, make them watch a video or something. Like, this is what happens when you don't take, when you take them for four days and then you don't take them for another four days. You detox.

You fucking get the shakes or whatever it is. Like, at least, like, scare the shit out of people before they decide to take it if they don't know what it is. I mean, if you already, if you're already addicted to it, you're kind of already fucked. Yeah, exactly. And just, just to give you an idea on why I don't think it's going to change is because I will go to a doctor now, like say, I need to go for a monthly. check up and I'll go into the doctor and say hey I'm an addict and I can't get narcotics because I'll

fucking you won't recognize me you know what I mean right and he'll at the end of the visit we'll talk and he'll be like okay so you had anxiety you want Xanax right and I'm just like bro like I so if that right there shows you like where are I think it's the medical community that's responsible for pretty much all of this and then they paid everyone else off through the process right It seems like that way anyways. Like when you watch like that documentary, there's tons of others. What was the name of that documentary again? I got to have it on my phone.

It's a fucking great documentary. It was done by Alex Gibney who did, I believe it was Alex Gibney. He's the same guy who did the Scientology documentary going clear. That was a good one too. Yeah. He's fucking amazing. Yeah, that's like what I would like to get into is the documentary type stuff. What the fuck was it called?

Oh, the crime of the century. Yeah, so if you're watching, go check that out. Because it's a good documentary. That really puts it into perspective how big. Yeah, Alice Gibney, same guy who did Going Clear. Yeah. So, I mean. Yeah, but if you are, you should be able to go to the doctor and be like, I'm addicted.

Like, give me a. Well, now they give you Suboxin or Methadone for that. So it's literally like the government's dope. Is it do the same thing? I mean, the Suboxin doesn't really get you high. I think it does when you first start taking it, but then your body gets, what it does is it blocks the opioid receptors in your brain.

So if you take a pain pill, the Suboxin attaches an opioid antagonist attaches to your receptors in your brain, making your brain think you're high, but you're really not because you're not acting high. So if you take a pill when you're on Suboxin, it can put you into immediate withdrawals because if it crosses the brain blood barrier,

you're like having that is like it'll put you in I don't know what causes the exact reaction in you but you'll literally just be like you're dope sick when about five minutes ago you were you know cutting the ham at turn uh thanksgiving oh Jesus Christ yeah so I mean it's and then you know it was methadone and then now they develop Suboxin subucate where they'll shoot it in your arm and it's good for like 30 days or something yeah but people man are just gonna get high they'll find a way to get high on that. There's people that are shooting suboxin that are sticking it up their ass, all kinds of shit, man. Like, if an addict will figure out a way to get high if they want to. Like, you can, you know,

move to fucking Indonesia and you're going to find the dope man. Right, right, right. Like, you really want to. And fentanyl. Where did fentanyl? What year did that come on? Like, when did that become popular? It was around when I was doing shit back in the day, but it was the patches so like only like really fucked up people could get it and it was like time released and you just stick it on you and it's a transdermal like type deal yeah and now like i mean i don't i would never really like i've never actually had fentanyl my hands or like seen it but i know from watching all the people i know die and you know or odin that like they're putting it on everything oh this is the cop yeah yeah that's yeah don't

Don't put the audio on because oh fuck. Yeah, he, he just like fell out, bro. Jesus. He just touched it in a guy's pocket. That's what I'm saying, man. And what is the thing called? Narcan. Narcan.

Narcan, yeah. And even with that sometimes, though, you won't. He's completely out, bro. Yeah. In San Diego. Yeah. Wow. That's fucking terrifying.

And people are using that, bro. Like, they're addicted to fentanyl. That's how, like, it's, so when a drug addict takes pills for a while, like, his normal dose ain't going to get them high. And that's where the tolerance and that's where, like, you know, the money, you know, some people spend $500 a day just to get high. And so, but now their tolerance is so high, the fentanyl so prominent everywhere that it's on everything. Like, people are laced in Xanax with fentanyl. So you don't know what you're going to get. It's like playing Russian roulette one day.

You know what I'm saying? And now the drug addicts are addicted to the fentanyl. Like they're doing fentanyl as an everyday drug. So imagine if... Just straight fentanyl. Yeah. Or they'll cut it like with heroin or a lot of it's in heroin now. Could you imagine like that's the drug you're doing?

Like the drug I do is so strong. I have to cut it with heroin. Yeah, yeah. Right? That's next level. Yeah, bro. So, I mean, some of them don't even cut it. It's just they'll,

just do it. So now you're addicted to a drug that kills somebody if it touches them. Oh, went out. Oh, I didn't change the battery. Can I use the bathroom? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hyperbaric chamber. It's like an oxygen chamber. What does that do? It like, it's, you sit in it.

It's like anti-aging and stuff like it. It like what it does for you. Like a lot of NFL players use it. And what it does like after games obviously you get beat the fuck up. Your whole body is is destroyed. And they get in those things. And what it does, is it hyper oxygenates all the cells in your body and makes them. It like supercharges like repair of all your cells and like all the tissue, everything in your body.

Do you like feel, have you went in one? I've never did. I've never been in. You're about to. But I saw. I've seen LeBron has one and he goes in it like during the playoffs like the NBA playoffs. He goes because they have sometimes they have like games every other day. Yeah.

It's crazy. You got to be like tipped up. Doesn't a tour to France guys do that? I'm sure they do. Yeah. Tons of. plates do it. Yeah, to get their like blood right or something. The crazy thing is when I called the place, I think there's like one dealer in the U.S. who sells them and I called him. Like, hey,

can I get one of those hyperbaric, one of those LeBron James hyperbaricam? He's like, yeah, he's like, you have a prescription though. I'm like, okay. So you got to go to what we're talking about. We got to go, I got to go get a script. I got to go. It's all connected. Yeah, yeah. It's made by Purdue. It's made by Purdue. It's going to be like, it's not leaving my chamber. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's fucking hilarious. Yeah. Well, cool, bro.

That was a, we had to take a cut a little break, but we're back and we can wrap it up now. Well, what, tell me, so like, what kind of people are you interviewing on your channel? So I interview, bro, like, I interview a guy that had a life sentence for weed. He got out. He did, like, 20-something years. I interview a gang member that was stabbing everybody he saw in prison. And then I've also interviewed a dude that was paying rent and getting his shit took and getting his ass beat and tortured every day in there.

So I try to bring on a wide variety of people. At first, I was kind of like... A guy who's getting his ass... I mean, the guy who's getting raped? Oh, no, I never had that. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, okay, okay. And they, in there, bro, like, depending on where you're at,

you can literally be tortured. Like, the Jit camps in Florida are juvenile prisons. Yeah. And there are literally like five dudes that hold an inmate down and the other dude fucks him in the ass with a broomstick. like that's the kind of torture i mean not like you know somebody just punches you in your shit like like you have to fight one of them and then when you're done the next one comes in and you got to fight him and they call it uh like lining it up where they'll line like 10 dudes up and you just got to fight

every one of them back to back to back but eventually like you can't do that like i don't care who you are right so you end up getting stomped into the ground and some people that have that happen never fight back or never do anything so and when you you do that, now you just told everybody like basically do whatever the fuck you want to me and I don't care because they're just so scared. And then you have other people that that happens to and then they fight back. And that's what it takes. You got to fight back because then they see like they call it a T-O-H was like a test of heart. So they're kind of testing you to see like, are you really about that life? Right. Are you going to make it through this? And then when you do, they're like, all right, that's what's up.

but I didn't get that shit like I'm not that type of dude like if we fight I'm not we're done we're not talking I'm not going to be your friend you know what I mean right and so yeah so that goes on all the time and then I bring the guy that I brought on he was getting beat up they were taking his shit and stuff like that they call it a jizzle in Florida like oh that dude's a jizzle meaning he'll like pay you and wash your boxers and do shit like that and like when I first went to prison and I saw that happen because I never really had that happen to me like I was blessed I don't know I guess I just skated through or

whatever but like I fought but no one ever took it to that level and tried me like that you know what I mean but I you know I bring people on that has had that happen because the majority of people that go to prison end up becoming a victim whether it's in you know people are taking your money they're taking your canteen you're washing clothes like boxers type clothes washing in or you know you're doing dishes after they eat at night or you know they there there are a lot of people bro that go there they get caught up in like either they join a gang and that shit comes with the gang because now you got gang members that are above you if you get money now you know you got five other your gang members that if four of them don't now you're feeding them and it's like kind of like a hierarchy I guess

but um in florida man it's just like if you're white you're the outcast and if you're not in a gang definitely an outcast. So I, but I did it, bro. So it can be done. You made it. Yeah. It's scary hearing this kind of shit, man. Especially combined with the, when you hear statistics like the United States is the number one, has the number one, like is the number one country in the world of the highest incarceration rate with the highest incarceration rate than any other country.

And the most opioids prescribed. And the most opioids. Yeah. And it's a fucking cycle. Yeah, bro. It's a dead end cycle. It definitely is, man. I know a lot of people right now, man, that are still in that life, that are still,

that are never going to, like, see that light. You know what I mean? They're just, like, they have this saying you either, like, you either go to jail or you die, or you go on to the bitter end, meaning, like, you're okay with how fucking bad your life is because, like, you just can't see it any other way because you're like, when you can't stop taking something to act normal or you'll be. be sick, everything else doesn't matter anymore because if you're sick, you can't do anything else.

So that become, you become a slave. And I think that's kind of like what Purdue wanted. And I think that's why their shit got, you know, eventually got caught up with and everybody found out what they were doing because they were paying those FDA people to sign off on their shit, knowing, telling people this is a short term solution. When really, they knew the whole fucking time. Once we got them, they're got. Right.

And how do we make higher doses? How do we come up with more pills? How do we give out more? Right. So I don't know, bro. I don't see a change in any time soon. And it's just, I mean, you probably know somebody that's had problems with it before. Lots of people, man.

Tons of people. Way too many people. It's crazy. I look back at people I like went to school with, man. Same here. I've heard so many fucking stories. It's fucking frightening how many stories I've heard. I mean, especially when I was younger in high school too.

I knew so many people that were fucking caught up in that shit. People dying all the time. I know, man. It's sad, bro. Now I'm lucky I never got caught up in it. I'm just lucky, I guess. That's, see, that's what I was like, damn, how do I get caught up in this? Because my mom was a drug addict.

You know, she would get drunk around me when I was a kid and her boyfriend, her boyfriend had been to prison like seven times for beating her ass. So I'm seeing all this go on, you know what I mean? but watching her get drunk and her get high, I was like, man, I don't like, I don't want nothing to do with that. And I never drank alcohol. And then, you know, one day, you know,

you're in school and somebody's got some shit and then you start doing it. And even then, bro, like I didn't like it. I think it's just like I had that gene in me. You know what I mean? Like a predisposition to being an addict. Right. And I kind of saw it more in the beginning of my life

because I would get addicted to shit. Like if I played paintball, needed to have five friends that played it. We needed to build a fucking field out back with bunkers. Like, I took everything like to the extreme. I have that gene too. I have that same gene. Like addictive personality.

Oh, yeah. I got to be careful. I got to be careful whenever I try new shit. Addicted to video games is one of the worst things too. Yeah, that war zone. God damn, war zone, Fortnite, fucking PG. I've been on PG, the golf game. I only played war zone.

I only played Warzone. That's like the only game. I have never played Warzone. I've tried Call it a duty. I've tried Call it a duty a few times. I can just never get good at it. Yeah, it's not your thing. Yeah.

The video game thing is like once you get good at it, then you start getting addicted. But if you suck, it's easy to not want to play it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, bro. I want what I want when I want it. Yeah, exactly.

Right now. Yeah. Well, cool, bro. Tell everyone listening and or watching where they can find your content online. So you can go on YouTube, type in DOC TV 813. and I'll probably be the first one that pops up. I just made it like, I think, a year ago, actually, today. So, or not today, but around here.

So, yeah, man, show you. I love your videos, man. They're really cool. I saw you went on Matt. Matt, or you went on Matt's show. That was really cool. Yeah. Matt's another guy.

Matt's another guy similar to you. He, you know, he got out of prison with nothing. And then he just turned, turned this, his YouTube channel into all these, just opened up all these opportunities for him. Yeah. And I met Matt from YouTube. That's kind of. really like the first month i had a channel i had watched him on like date line or one of those

fucking shows like 10 years earlier and then i have a channel now and i'm like man i want to reach out to some people that got some crazy crimes and see if i can get him on you know yeah and i just stumbled across one of his videos and i was like man this dude looks familiar he looks younger though yeah come to find out he had like plastic tons of plastic surgery i was like damn he spent about $10,000 on his hairline. I know. That shit looks good, though. It does. It looks fucking better than mine. I know, right? Me too.

Yeah, so I met him, and we kind of, like, connected. Like, we kind of hit it off. Now we're, like, even more, you know, friends than we were then. Yeah, he's a super cool guy. I think he probably thought when he met me, I was kind of, like, flaky because I just made my channel. You know, everyone when they first start YouTube, they're like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to, this is for the rest of my life, and they get so, like, addicted to it. And then they don't go anywhere. And they kind of fall out.

So, but luckily for me, man, my channel's just been steadily growing. I think I'm at like 3,500 subscribers. That's sick. Oh, yeah. Yours is like the biggest channel I'm going to be on. Hell yeah. Well, I'm sure it's going to be more after this. I hope so, man.

I'm just, I love it, bro. I love doing YouTube. I love all the editing. I learned how to, like, not knowing. I didn't know how to do any of this, bro. I edit all my own shit. I do all my own thumbnails. I do everything myself.

And I'm not, I don't see that changing unless I start making. like crazy money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, once you start trying to make more and more stuff, you know what I mean? It makes more sense to get people to help you do certain things. You know, things that are people, you know, find somebody who's good at doing graphic design, whatever, get them to do your thumbnail.

And that way you can make more stuff. Like that's what Matt's doing. Man, I think Matt has, like, a team of people. Like, Matt's got more people working for him than I have that I have helping me. I know. And I even text his editor. I'm like, yo, what about this, you know, sound mixer? And he's like, yeah, that's good.

So, yeah. Matt's killing it, man. Matt's, Matt's doing a great job. I love seeing how far he's made it just from nuts Because I saw him like literally the week when he got out of Like the week he got out of whatever The halfway house, yeah

The same week he came in here And then like from the reason now he's fucking doing flying People flying him to Europe to do TV shows and I know, bro. It's crazy how much he's doing man You need so many different like But it's hard too You know you gotta have the desk

He's got like the he's able to like put in the time To call his probation officer and get all these documents to travel. And he has to jump through so many hoops just to do this stuff. That's what kept me from going on his channel, man. His probation officer wouldn't let him interview me. Oh, really? Yeah, so we had to, like, wait.

I think he changed probation officers or something happened. Or she gave him, like, the go ahead on something else. And they got his bank account locked down because he's got restitution. He's got $11 million. Restitution has to pay back to the Wells Fargo. It's all. It's not time in prison. It's comical.

man, it's fucking comical. Yeah, like they're going to get all that money back. They're going to make him drag that ball and chain forever. I know, man. And that's crazy, bro. I feel like once you do your prison sentence, like you should be done, man. Like now you get 20 years and fucking 80 years probation after it. It's like, well, there's your life.

Are you selling probation? No. No. Okay. That's good. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on, man. I really enjoyed this conversation.

I really appreciate. Fascinating stories that you have, man. I really appreciate you having me on, too, man. I salute to both of you guys. Absolutely, man. Well, thanks again. Yeah. Appreciate it, man.

Goodbye, world. See, goodbye, world.