Danny Jones Podcast - #12 - The TFUE Podcast

Episode Date: May 31, 2019

Tfue (Turner Tenney) is one of the best professional Fortnite streamers in history. Tfue started gaming 6 years ago playing Halo & Call of Duty on Xbox, then joined Twitch and streamed games such as H1Z1, Destiny, & PUBG. Turner started playing Fortnite in late 2017 and has since gained 11 million YouTube Subscribers, and has the #1 most watched channel on Twitch. On this podcast Tfue explains the meaning of "TFUE", what it takes to achieve his level of success in online gaming, and his hopes for the future of the esports business after his lawsuit with Faze Clan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ding, ding, ding. We're live on YouTube with the one, the only, the Tifu. What is up, dude? Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. Just a Twitch streamer here on YouTube, you know? Just a Twitch streamer. Are you allowed to do this right now?

Am I going to get you in trouble? I mean, I'll get up. I might get sued. What? Oh my God, dude. I'm just kidding. All right, good. So, dude, thanks again for coming out.

We had a great day going out and trying to get you. your windows tinted on your Tesla. Didn't work out too well. At least I had my Tesla back. It's been months. Dude. That's crazy. Something happened.

Yeah, but you don't need a car. You just live on the beach. You just like roll around the beach, surf, skim, play video games. Yeah, I don't leave my room. It's kind of... Unless you just need to go out and eat or, you know, get out. You can just... Yeah, sometimes they get out.

You know, steal someone's car. Some of my family. Just skirt out, you know? Yeah, you pretty much bought them all Tesla's already, so you can just use their car whenever you want. I bought my mom at Tesla. My dad and McLaren next. You're going to buy your dad of McLaren.

What is your dad drive? Does you still drive that like old stickered up, hoopedie car? No, actually, I don't think he even has a car right now. You had a few cars, but we crashed them because... You crashed them? Yeah, there's a video coming soon. Well, you've had your Tesla for like three months and you've already wrecked it, what, like three times?

You've sidest wiped it. You've curbed the rims. It's like you just bought a car. and then you decided to learn how to drive. Yeah, I mean, I never, well, I had a few cars growing up, but I actually have like a real, real car. Yeah. Like I had a 300 Z.

You did? Yeah. Holy shit. That's like a fast car. Yeah. I always had like, it was automatic. That's something really like driving it. Have you always like been really into cars?

Yeah, a little bit. What's that little green car that you had that you posted a couple pictures of? Like that little like weird looking green car. It's blue. This episode is brought to you by Ultimer. replenisher. Health is all about balance, like a salad with fries. So why not have balance in your hydration? With six essential electrolytes and no junk, Ultima provides balanced hydration you can enjoy every day. That means no sugar, calories, or carbs, and it's not loaded with sodium. Just

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Yeah. It's pretty fun. It's not fast, but it's fun. Dude, so for the people out there, a lot of people don't know. I do know, but I just want to clarify it. What does Tifu actually stand for? Nothing. How did you come up with the name?

I was just a gamer tag back in the day. There's no meaning behind it. There's no meaning. People think there's a meaning. Seriously? Yeah. Your brother told me it was Turner fucks up everyone.

That's what people think. That's what people think. If people think I'm that creative, then... Yeah, I mean, it was four letters. Back before they, like, released, like, I don't know, I was like, maybe a couple years ago

or three years ago, they, like, deleted all the inactive Xbox accounts. But before then, it was really hard to get, like, lower, uh, lower lettered gamer tags. Yeah.

So does T, If you, yeah. I couldn't get any three letters, so I just went with the four. I think you should just go with the Turner fucks up, everyone.

That's pretty cool. I think it's pretty dope. Yeah. So how long ago was that when you created that? Like, was that when you first got into like online games,

or was that when you were like on Xbox or? I was on Xbox. You're on Xbox? You're on Xbox? Called Did you and Hela. Okay. And that's when you created that?

Yeah. How long ago was that? Six years ago, probably. Fuck. Because I remember like just hanging out with your brother and always see him filming like the pranks that he does and like all those wild trampoline videos and like stunts that he does like a lot of the times

that you would be there participating in it but most of the time you weren't you'd be in your room gaming or just like you know what I mean you'd be hidden away like playing games yeah yeah gotta stay busy like even when I wasn't doing anything really yeah but like Like it was, I thought, I figured you would have participated a little bit more in, like, his videos. You know what I mean? Just because. As much as I could. Because you had your own channel, too.

I mean, you had, like, I remember the first time I ever looked at it. You had, like, 160,000 subscribers. And you were uploading, like, a lot of. Destiny, probably. Yeah, destiny videos and all that. Mm-hmm. Has anyone else that you know of, like, when you were that age and you were, like, whatever that was, six years ago, five years ago. When you're, like, in your room all day, or most of the day, however long it was, streaming.

Did you know that? it would lead to some level of success? Like, I mean, obviously you could never imagine it would lead to this level of success, but did you ever, was there somebody else who had done something like that who had achieved like a high level of success? I mean, when I started stream,

it was kind of early on, there wasn't really like, even like the top streamers on the platform were that big, you know? Yeah. Like, the top streamers on the platform now are like 20, 30 times bigger than the biggest platform, like, or the biggest stream on the platform then.

But, I don't know. I mean, there was still some success in money to be made, but I didn't think it was going to blow up this much because Twitch is still blowing it. Like live stream, I don't know. It's still blowing up. I didn't think it was going to be this big, but I'm glad it is now.

Is there anybody who's made it that big just from streaming, just from playing, like, online game similar to Fortnite or in the past? I know there's, I mean, obviously PewDiePie, but he didn't get good at one specific game, did he? He was just kind of like an really entertaining. Yeah, he's just an entertaining guy. with good intentions. Did you...

Not biased opinions. Yeah. Did you see... Did you kind of like... Ever want to model yourself off him? Or were you just mainly focused on becoming really good? Because he's dog shit at video games. He's just funny.

Yeah. I just tried to be as good as I possibly can. Because I mean, my main goal when I started playing video games is like if I can be... better than all the other people streaming than somebody will fucking watch me. Yeah. Yeah, I guess the reason I ask is

because I'd never heard of a, like, a gamer who had made it to, like, a really high level of success that just was there because he was skilled at the game, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's hard. Because if you're not, if you're not really fucking good, you have to be really funny.

And you can even be really good and still not make it. Did you ever have, like, conversations with your daddy or mom when you were really little, like, about, like, what you're going to do for a career, for a living when you grow up. Did they ever talk to you about that, or you and your brother? Yeah. Because I got the talk a lot. Like, what would they say to you?

Fucking go get a job at Publix. No. I'm just kidding. Your dad would be the last person that would say that. No, dude, he definitely told me to go get jobs. Did he? Yeah. For sure.

But, I mean, I kind of always had money saved up, though. I never really spent money when I was a kid. Right. And you really don't spend that. that much money now, besides the Tesla and some other things, but I don't spend shit for money. You barely wear shoes as it is.

No, I have a good shoe collection. That's probably the one, the only things I actually do spend money on is shoes and clothes. Yeah. Other than that, I don't really buy shit. I don't even pay rent. What did you, did you ever, like, think, like, what the fuck am I going to do for a living? What am I going to do when I get older? How am I going to make money? Or did you just always

feel like this is what I'm fucking going to do? If it fails, it fails. I don't know. I mean, like... Did you think about that a lot? Yeah, but I was just trying to make it work. Like, even, like, three years ago, like, I was signed to, like, organizations getting paid salary,

making money off Twitch. Like, I was never, like, it's not like I was, like, I mean, I was making pretty terrible money, but I don't know, I was just doing it because it was bored and I was... You made it salary? Yeah, like, I was, I got picked up by, like, my first award, like, three years ago. Oh, really?

I played H&Z on professionally, and then went over to PubG. Played that professionally. I was never really, and I had money, like, saved up from playing destiny. Because, like, when I first got, like, partnered on Twitch, I was, like, 100 subs, which is terrible, but I was making more money than, like, my friends. So, I was like, whatever. You're making more money than kids that had, like, regular jobs? Yeah. And how long did that last for?

Like, how long did you have a hundred or less subs on Twitch? making a few years Really? Yeah I think like I was doing pretty good at first And then like I don't know I stopped playing destiny

To go play PubG And that's when like my My channel started to like Die down a little bit I would drop down to like 100 200 subs movie Really And I started playing Fortnite

And then obviously I took off because of that game When did that game come out? One Fortnite Like a year and a half ago And as soon as it came out You immediately started playing it No

Right I started playing a little bit And I thought the game was fucking terrible Why It had so many issues Like when I first came out It was so bad Like it was not like

It wasn't like Fortnite came out And the game was perfect And it was the best game ever And you know It wasn't even like that Like I played it for a while And honestly

Like I liked it a little bit Like there was so many issues With like healing And just there was I don't know It was really bad. Yeah.

So I stopped playing it for a while. And then when they introduced, like, like minis and all that other shit, I started playing again and it got really fun. But at first it was so bad. Such a terrible game. Did you ever, like, do you ever test games, like, when you're not streaming or do you pretty much do everything online?

Oh, I don't really do anything aside from streaming, though. Like, I'm not, like, gaming off stream. No, you don't even waste your time. If you're going to do anything, you're going to stream live. Yeah. So you were like... Even in tournaments when there's millions of dollars in the line, I'll just still stream.

Yeah. Fuck it. Yeah. Those World Cup tournaments or whatever that are all online, you just stream them with... Typically, people would delay it or what? No, I just don't care. If I get...

If somebody wants to fuck over, my millions of dollars and me not qualify because of them, fuck it. Yeah. Fuck them. So we made... I talked to you like, I don't know when it was.

It was like, I think it was about April of 2018, like right when I first learned about Fortnite and I asked you if we could make that little mini documentary. And I remember sitting with you in your backyard. We're sitting on like your trampoline or whatever, and you're looking at your social blade. And me, you and Jack were sitting there and you're like, damn, I got like 10,000 new subscribers today.

That's about what I'm getting now. You're like, wow, this has been happening for like a week now. What the fuck's going on, dude? I'm like, shit, we better hurry. I'm gonna hurry to get this video done. And you had like less than, I think you had less than 500,000 subscribers then. And then like at the end of the video,

you said that your goal, your short-term goal was to hit a million subscribers on YouTube. And that was a year ago. Yeah. Now I'm over 10 million. We're doing right. That's pretty insane, dude. That's funny that, like, you were there before I was even, like, big posting videos.

Yeah. It's funny. Yeah. There's like a little documentary. It's like... It is funny, right? So I'm so glad we got to do this. Yeah.

It's like the follow-up one year later. This is exactly almost a year later. I think it's been exactly a year. Yeah, it was... It was April of 2018. Yeah. Or March. We started filming in March.

I posted it in April. Wow. So what... Like, you said it was like three to four years when you were streaming with like 100 subs or whatever and it wasn't really going too crazy. Like right when Fortnite first came. out, like what is the, what is the likelihood of somebody doing that, somebody playing one of those video games to make a career out of it or to make it not necessarily on your extreme level,

but anywhere close to that? Like, what is the likelihood of some kid at home playing in his in his parents living room or sitting in his room playing Fortnite to actually make a career out of it? Honestly, it's pretty fucking hard. Yeah. Like if I were to start all over again, I don't know where I would begin. Because I've been, I mean, people, I don't know, like people, I encourage people to stream, but they need to understand it's like people like me that I've been streaming for four years straight, you know?

When Fortnite came around, I was already prepared. I was ready for it. People like me, people like Ninja, you know, we're not new. This isn't our first rodeo. So like, I don't know, people can't expect to just start streaming and be able to be a success over. overnight. Yeah. It's not that easy.

Because you guys, you guys were playing all those Battle Royale games way before that. Yeah, years before. I was playing Battle Royals professionally two years before 4'9 even released.

People, people have done it, dude. People have blown up just from Fortnite. Well, how many, how many people play that game? Do you know? Like, roughly?

I don't know. Hundreds of millions? Millions. Right? Yeah, a lot. And what percentage of them actually make a career out of it? Like, how many,

You can count them on one hand, right? I mean, how many? A lot more. Really? Lots of people. Yeah. Okay. I mean, dude, some random kids that don't even stream are making, or qualifying for the World Comp, getting a minimum of $50,000.

Okay. Yeah, true. That's kind of like a career, isn't it? Yeah, I guess. $50,000 is about more than average for a year-l salary in America. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people, I guess.

Yeah. Hundreds, thousands. But you're like on your own tier. You and Ninja are like in like a separate tier from all that, from pretty much everybody else. Yeah, I mean, there's bigger streamers than Ninja now. I, how do you, what do you, what do you qualify? What qualifies as a big streamer? Like, how do you measure that?

Concern viewer, subs. On Twitch? Yeah. Okay. I was, I've been going on and off right now. I do have the most subs on Twitch. You do right now? Yeah.

And I think I have the most average viewers too, but I don't know. I have been playing in World Cup tournaments. I've been boosting me a lot. I didn't stream for like a week and I came back and I was like concurrent over 100K. So I don't know. But it's been going good for me, I guess. Yeah. When it comes to like tournaments and stuff, people, I don't know,

decided to watch me. Yeah, because you're the most skilled. You've won the most tournaments, right? Yeah, I'm, like, one of the most higher-in players, I guess. Bizzle, I think, has more than me. That's not including, like, charity tournaments or anything like that. What is it, like, what do you think it is about that game that makes it so popular? Because I don't remember any kind of game taking over the world like that game did.

Like, it's just, like, is it the colors? Is it the Battle Royale element of it? Well, no, because there's been other battle royals before that. Yeah, but they're all been, like, really, like, hardcore. if that makes sense. Okay. Like, PubG is like super hardcore

and slow pace and it was really, really unoptimized. Like, and it wasn't on all platforms either. Okay. The building aspect of it

gives you a lot of opportunity to, I don't know. It's like a whole another dimension like it literally. Like in PubG you,

like you loot up, you get caught in a field, you're dead. Really? Yeah. So similar to like Call of Duty. Kind of, yeah.

But not first person. Yeah. I got it. I got it. What's been like the most difficult, what's been the most difficult thing for you being in the spotlight? Because I feel like, you know, I mean, it's been a year, but it can't be that easy walking around everywhere you go,

people noticing you, taking photos with you. Yeah. What's been the hardest part about that for you? I don't know. People trying to take me out. People trying to take you out. What do you mean? People coming after me, dude, hacking me and shit.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got hacked a lot. You getting banned and hacked. So much shit. There's more people targeting you. But even when you walk to the airport, people walk up to you. Yeah, paparazzi and stuff. Something happened at your house? Oh, a bunch of shit has happened about it.

Like what? You from the beach, jump in the fence. Yeah, people come on the property. try to fuck with me yell at me a bunch of shit but I got to buy a house soon that has like

electric fences yeah high voltage yeah it's time it's time for you to invest in some real estate a trench yeah

a moat a giant moat with gators some big gators in it that would be fire you did just invest in some real estate though didn't you you bought a building yeah

what's that all about What are you doing with it? I don't know. I can't really disclose of what my plans are. But something crazy. Something crazy besides just building SpongeBob, giant

SpongeBob houses in the back. Building bikini bottom in the back. Yeah, Jack. He's fucking crazy. He's going the same with all that shit. My brother's always building some random shit. Sometimes they got to tell me,

I'll get off my fucking pro. Get off my pro. God damn it. Deak will just bring a bunch of shit there and just leave it. A bunch of, like, laundry machines and garbage. Really? There's a few beat cars there now. Oh, my God.

That's why I drove my bus into one of the cars. You drove your bus into one of the cars? Yeah. Nice. In the parking lot? Yeah, I was tired of it being there. So I just ran into it full speed. What's up with the big, fucking pink tea that you painted on the front of it?

Is that just for Tifu? I don't know Or you just haven't finished painting it Dick just painted on there Because he's fucking weird Yeah I'm gonna paint the whole shit Because it looks just disgusting

He's definitely So I guess once this Like once the Fortnite craze is over And I can't expect it to last forever Do you have plans for after that Or what do you think will happen after that Or what are your plans for after that's over

I don't know I mean it all depends Like I think the main The main thing they'll stop for Fortnite from being popular is another game. And if I like it, I'll play it. If I don't, then I'll just post vlogs and play any random games and just be a variety

streamer. Like PewDiePie? Yeah. Because I don't... Playing games competitively is stressful and it's time consuming. Yeah. And like, I've been playing competitive for a while, so I don't know. I don't know how...

I'm not going to do it forever, obviously. Yeah. Do you see yourself being like 35, 40 years old doing... it like play like because right now you basically have a fucking every day you're spending i don't see myself playing like competitive like that no my brain is gonna be melted by then yeah my eyes are fried is that is that is it really bad for you to stare at the computer stare at like games that long what what's like what can happen i don't know do you do you know of anything like crazy shit happening to people from doing that now with their eyes like i've had a few friends in mind

to have like tendinitis playing and like oh from like the mice and the keyboard and stuff yeah yeah you had a crazy headache in the car today yeah i still have a headache still feel like shit is that from the screen i don't know it could be could be better be careful dude they make like computer glasses that you can get that like yeah i mean the thing is the thing is like we don't know because our parents and our older shibblings and stuff they didn't have they didn't have that we're kids so how do you know like it's actually bad yeah Dude, you should play it safe. You should get, you should...

I have glasses. I just don't wear them. Yeah. I just fry my brain. You should wear him, dude. You should look into getting some glasses to protect yourself. Absolutely. Don't melt your brain, please.

I already feels melted right now. When I'm older and my eyes are fried and my brain's fried, dude, they'll shoot some stem cells into my brain or something. Yeah. Get some bionic eyeballs. I heard that playing video games improves cognitive function and visual. Like I heard that it improves your vision and actually like improves your cognitive skills too. Maybe. Do you know anything about that?

Maybe. I mean, I train my my reaction, my tracking every day. Really? Yeah. How do you do that? I play training games. Okay. Just other video games that are just like.

Trickly for. For coordination? Yeah. Okay. Have you tried, have you tried meditating? No. my ADHD is probably too bad for me to be able to meditate. Because there's a, have you ever heard of like, like flow state?

You know what that is? Yeah. When like people can, like you can meditate and like it's, they say that when you like focus on being in the moment or like when you focus on being present, you can, people can train themselves to access that flow state or whatever. Like whenever they want. And they say that, um, gamers. actually achieve that more than anybody. like gamers and like basketball players. And like Michael Jordan used to like the old like 90s bulls.

They used to do like group meditations to like practice getting into that flow state because when they're the whole team's like in that state when they're playing or whatever, it's like you're not thinking about anything. You're not thinking about like the past, the future. All you're thinking about is like you're not even your brain is not thinking. All you're doing is like reacting to what's happening in the court like similar to how you, I'm sure you've experienced that numerous times when you're just like everything is going perfect, right?

Like everything is going right in a game. Like you can't fuck up anything. They call it flow state. And that's, they say that meditation can help that. What if you're trying to figure out what's going to happen in the future moments? Then you fuck yourself.

That's when you stifle yourself and you overthink. That's when people, like, fuck up. You always got the steps ahead, especially when play for a fortnight. Really? You got to be ready for everything. How so? you gotta be ready dude

you gotta think about the future you gotta think about what could potentially happen more so what could potentially go wrong because that's probably the possibility yeah I guess it's a lot more complicated than Pac-Man in that sense because you have to like it's not just what's happening now you gotta think about like where where you're gonna end up and like

where the other players will be and that kind of shit I mean I could try to meditate probably just I mean you should look into it dude seems like very hard thing to pick up on no I don't think it's that hard. You can watch a couple of YouTube videos. There's like, if you go on SoundCloud

and you just type in like meditation, like there's like guided meditation shit you can look at. It's pretty simple. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't sound that easy, but. It's easy. Trust me. It's easy. Just fucking close your eyes and meditate real quick. Yeah.

So what's up with the whole, uh, I don't want to talk to, like, I don't want to get into details about like your whole drama that's going on with the, that esports shit. But I've been, I've known kind of, I kind of know, like, what's been going on for the past year, whatever, and it sucks for both people. There's a lot of, like, internet drama going on right now. But, uh, how are you doing?

I'm doing fine. Yeah? I'm just letting my lawyer handle it. That's good. Is it true? It's not, is it true that you want to start an e-sports company? Like, you're an organization? I never said that once.

I didn't think you did either. Yeah, I know. Anybody knows me. I was like, like, what? Right. Like, I would think someone. like you would, you know, just be want to focus on your own brand and what you're doing and nothing else, right?

You wouldn't, like, the last thing that you would want to do, I would think, was like, to start a company and try to run a company. No, hell, no, I don't have time to run a company. Right. I can't even read a contract. You don't want me to run an e-sports organization. Yeah, I mean, you mean, you obviously were an idiot for signing something. Yeah, young and naive for, you know, doing that.

but I could imagine being in that situation. You want to fucking join the cool kids. You know, you want to, you're, you have, I mean, you're like on the rise. You're young. And it's like, hey, look, you can be like this. You can do this. You know, look at this big mansion. Look at all these fancy cars.

Look at everything we do. I am an idiot for signing it. Yeah. A complete total fucking dumb ass. But the bottom line is they should never gave me an illegal contract to begin with. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of companies that do that, though. Like, I think it's important to recognize that there are a lot of companies like in L.A.

that, or not even in L.A. all over the world that do that, that operate that way. And it's not necessarily like, like, sure there's stuff in the contract that's, like, morally fucked up or is more favorable towards, like, the corporation versus, like, the talent. But I think, like, the most important thing to recognize is getting someone that's extremely young who has no experience, who has never seen. seen a legal document in their entire lives to just be like hey do you want to you want to join us just just just it's just it's the same thing with record labels like the old record label yeah like model like like I told you about that uh documentary artifact yeah that Jared Letto made about his band 30 seconds to Mars yeah they got sued by their record label for 30 million dollars 30 seconds to

sued for $30 million. Yeah. Because, like, I mean, it's different, though, because, like, I don't know how e-sports organizations make money. I don't know shit about e-sports, but the record label model was, or is, still is. I don't know if it's changed, but it's like, we'll give a band or an artist, we'll give you an advance, say, 500 grand or whatever. We're going to pay you 500 grand.

Wow. Now go make an album. So they make an album, right? And then they have to go sell X amount of records. So they make, say they make. like two million bucks, right? Okay, now the record label goes, okay, you made two million bucks.

So first give us back the $500,000. Then we have all these additional fees that we charge for like crazy shit. Like for compact discs that aren't even, they don't even sell those anymore that I know. Like you can't go to Target and buy a CD anymore. Yeah. And can you really? Okay, well.

Yeah, you might be able to, but it's good. But it's mostly streaming. Yeah. It's like mostly digital. So there's like the point is like, they would just get these young artists or whatever to sign these agreements. And then once they actually got smart and made money, you don't know about that stuff until you make money.

That's the point. Like if you don't have a lot of money, you have nothing to lose by signing a contract, right? Once you, I mean, anybody who achieves any level of success and has a lot of money, you're concerned about keeping your money and not losing it, right? So obviously you're going to fucking, you're never going to sign something crazy without having a lawyer read it or whatever. Yeah, I mean, if you're whether,

whether in the music industry or the gaming industry, you need your own lawyer. You need somebody to watch your back. Even if you don't have a lot of money, I think it's worth it to burn a little bit for some legal advice. Yeah. I mean, shit.

I'm paying my lawyer a lot. I bet, dude. He's a pretty fucking damn thing. He's fond of it. Well, I do hope that, you know, a lot of people can learn from your experience and what you went through. Yeah.

And, you know, even if you're going into something like that and you don't really have anything to lose, the chances of you actually, like, making a shitload of money and becoming really successful, even though it may be slim. Yeah. Once that happens, you're not going to want to be a part of that contractor, which is why so many bands and so many artists sue their record labels. Yeah. You know, that's why the record, the music industry was kind of slaughtered.

Yeah. Bad. you know so yeah that documentary artifact was pretty insane and the I don't remember exactly but the I think it's the one of the the executives at Faze Klan was

the CEO or the president of the record label that was suing 30 seconds to Mars in that documentary the same fucking guy that's crazy but I think I think they ended up getting purchased by somebody so he wasn't a note it was like a

guy from the UK that came and bought the company out and like went through with the lawsuit. So you know, you can kind of, you can't really lame all the blame on that guy. But definitely being a part of that industry and then going into another industry and trying to copy the model or kind of have a similar business model. I don't know if it's exactly the same. But I mean, you didn't get a big advance like like an artist. Yeah, I guess the artists, I mean, the music industry. He's kind of gotten, I'm not saying it's good now, but it's gotten a lot better over the years.

Yeah. So maybe people are now going into East Sports because it's early on, you know. Yeah. Do you know a lot of, like, are you personally friends with a lot of players who are signed, like signed contracts for e-sports teams or organizations like that? Yeah, I mean, I have, yeah. Have they reached out to you? Have you talked to them?

Yeah, I mean, I have kids reaching out to me. They're 14 and 15 years old. Really? Like, dude, help me get out of my contract. I'm stuck in there. They don't even care about me. They're trying to just get me to qualify for a World Cup. Like, kids are sure getting scammed since then.

What do you say to them? I don't know. I have too much going on. I can't really help them. Hopefully my situation brings light to kids like that. But I don't know. It's a whole fucked up situation. Yeah.

For a lot of kids. Yeah. Well, hopefully this can shine some light in some dark areas and help a lot of people. A lot of illegal activity going on in the esports world. Yeah. But hopefully that comes and end soon. Yeah. What's the next?

Like, what are you doing next? You said you were going to New Jersey because there's better internet. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, the Fortnite service is in like northern Virginia. I'm in Florida. So my connection is terrible. I'm at extreme disadvantage.

Are you actually moving there, moving there? Are you just going there for a few days? Well, my teammate cloaks has a house in Jersey. So I spent about $5,000 on audio equipment and gaming equipment. I hit up Digital Storm told them to send me a few computers. So I'm just going to have a setup there whenever I want to play with a low-phing advantage. I just can go to Jersey whenever I want. so

wow so like when there's big tournaments whatever you'll go there yeah yeah yeah and the servers are there like the fortnight the servers are like ohio and they're in like Virginia okay so the closer you are the faster the connection the better you can build faster you can build the faster you can edit

the more walls you can take sweet dude well what do you think of my setup what do you think I'm doing it right you got any suggestions for me now that I'm actually streaming this shit live on the internet Like, I need some, some guidance from the goat of streaming. I mean, you got like a mom's basement type vibe. A what? You got like a mom's basement beat ass fucking vibe.

I was going for like the Motel 6. Yeah. With the Michelangelo. It kind of almost looks like a shitty lawyer's office. It's a long story. So Ben. What is this crystal right here, dude? It's a salt rock.

It just makes it look cool. Why is it so heavy, dude? it's not that heavy is it it's pretty fucking heavy it gives you it's yeah it's supposed to give you good energy and it looks cool on the table and it covers this little hole back here why I still have a headache dude your headache's still there

I thought this like dim lighting would help you got a disco ball out there too no just the lion do you like the line or no Ben I got it from Ben I took it from Ben's house he let me take it of course Ben's the type of guy to have

a stuffed lion in his house he's got like six of those things he literally went to an auction and paid like $10,000 for these fucking lions. I don't know. They're pretty tacky. They're pretty tacky. Like Mike Tyson?

Yeah. My best friend until he tries to eat me. Yeah. That's how I go out. He killed by my best friend. Everybody that watches this thing right now, I'm kind of like fucked because they all only care about seeing Ben, like run his mouth and talk about real estate and business.

And when it's ever, it's like me and somebody else. or me and somebody that I think's cool or interesting, they don't care. They just, like, tell me to die and eat shit, and they only want to see Ben. What would you say? How do you recommend I deal with those kind of people? Just tell them they're fucking pussy.

They're all pussies. Yeah. You guys are all pussies. All the people that are hating on... Usually when people hate to me, I just ban them. Do you? Or my viewer is just fucking all roast. Can I ban people on there?

On YouTube? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, ban all the people hating. I don't know if you got a big enough following Just abandon people Oh yeah I had like a certain like Maybe the only phone

You got his haters So you can't ban them You gotta keep them If I oh you're right If I ban all the haters I'll have nobody left Yeah dude Oh my God

Yeah Ben is like my fortnight Like I rode that wave To like somewhat success And now I have like Like a decent amount of viewership on here And as soon as like If I ever stop like recording shit with Ben then I'll just be dead.

Yeah. Yep. If I start recording show with 4-Den, I'm just dead. No, that wouldn't happen. You're on a way too high level. I want to happen, dude. Worst case scenario, I'll start. Sex tape.

Yeah. You're going to do a sex tape? Mm-hmm. Me and you later. Yeah, we can do that. Hell yeah. Your girl Karina can film it. Did I say that right?

Karina. How do you say it? Try again. Corinna? Yeah. Corinna. So like a, okay, the eye is different. Corinna, Karina.

Where is that from? German. Head? That's pretty cool. What a weird coincidence. Well, thanks for giving me your time. And I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of new viewers because of you. And it was great just to have the...

It's elongating my headache, dude. You're welcome. I'm just happy that we got to do the follow-up. to the first video that we did. Yeah. We kind of get to talk. Talk in a year. Yeah, it's been one year.

We'll do a follow-up in another year. See what's going on. All right, dude. I'm going to get out of here, dude. You can enjoy your salt rock. I'll enjoy my salt rock in my line. Sweet. Thanks again, dude.

All right. We're good, Rafaal. Later, everybody.