Danny Jones Podcast - #121 - How VICE Swindled Me Out of $20,000 | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: December 23, 2021

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Um, what's up, Matt Cox? Thanks for coming back. All right. We're back. What's up, Matt? Right. Little buddy. Little buddy. Yeah, that's, that's why you, you, you got to get him a chair, like a big boy chair. I offer him that one. He doesn't take it. Why don't you like the chairs? No, those chairs suck.

You like that chair? Matt, be honest. Do you like that chair? No, I don't. I don't. I don't. Fair enough. Why not? Because it's a piece of shit. Do you like that one better? No, I don't want to sit that low to the ground. I'll really low enough to the ground. But, yeah. So what's up? Not much, man.

You're saying you got an automatic rifle pulled on you? Yeah. On a date there or something? What the fuck happened? What was it in a date? I had met this girl through a friend, a mutual friend of ours named Vesser. And I'd met her. He set me up on a date with her.

I go on the date with her. And then when we're on the date, like, she didn't really know it was a date date. She kind of thought it might be a date, but she thought I was a date. but she thought I was an author and wanted to write her story. Like she wasn't sure. But she looked, so she looked me up and saw that all she knew was like, hey,

I got this buddy. He wants to meet you. He's a, he writes, he's a writer. So she was like, okay. So she goes on the date with me.

And as we're on the date, she immediately starts kind of telling me her story. Like just, and I was looking at her and like halfway like 10 minutes into it. I'm like, like 10 minutes. The picks are in. 10 minutes into it.

I'm like, what's going? on? What are we doing here? And she goes, what are you doing? She goes, I'm telling my kind of my story. And I went, what do you think this is? And she goes, I mean, I thought you wanted to meet me because you are you interested in my story? And I was like, no, no, this is a date. And she was like, oh, wow, I'm sorry. I thought maybe you wanted my story. And I go, do you have a story? Like, I mean, like, I just drove like an hour and a half to meet her at an outback, an outback near her. And I'm like, do you have a story? And she's like,

well, I kind of do. Like, she started explaining it to her like, I mean, her husband, fucking her husband died like there's drugs like she kind of she has an interesting story but as we started talking she said um she said yeah man i'm sorry i don't really date and i was like well why don't you date and she go why not she goes i said because your husband just died he died like six months or a year ago i said because your husband died and she was no no she said we've been separated for like two years she said no like two years ago she said i i came down with cancer i have cancer and i went oh wow like i i didn't know that i said i'm sorry and and so anyway um So she said, yeah, that's why I don't date.

Like, I mean, because she said, with the kind of cancer she has, it's some kind of slow progression. And you can fight it, but it only gives you like another year. Like you take chemo. She's like, so I might have two more years left. And she was super thin. But I thought thin, like sexy thin. You know what I'm saying? No, no.

Now I'm looking at her like, no, it's cancer thin. So, but look, I have a beautiful chick, blonde hair, a blue eyes. She had fucking tats and stuff. She's like everything I like, right? And anyway, so I was like, okay, well, tell you. tell me your story because you know she said she never got she really doesn't get out she's just kind of trying to raise her kids until she till she passes and so we at the end of the of you know so i'm joking with her anyway by the end of uh end of the dinner she says hey i'm having a really good

time do you want to play pool i went um yeah sure i mean what am i going to say no i mean she's got fucking cancer like i'm going to do whatever you want to do let's do it so we go we play pool she beats the hell out of me three games in a roll she's like a fucking chart so um at the end of that When I go to leave, it's like 12 o'clock. I remember she stopped me at my car and she said, you know, can I tell you something? I go, yeah, what's that? And she said, I wish this had been a date. She's had a really good time with you.

And I don't get out much. And she said, I had fun and you made me laugh and you seem like a great guy. And I was like, hey, well, look, it is a date. We'll go out again. And I'll go out again. And she was like, Matt, like, this ends. I die. Like, you understand this is what this isn't.

It doesn't mean you can't go on a couple dates. Right. That's what I said. I said, first of all, I said, I could die on my way home. Right. I said, you could die of a brain embolism tomorrow morning that has nothing to do with cancer. I said, nobody knows. So I said, look, we'll go out.

I like you. You like me? We'll see. Maybe it'll work. Maybe three dates from now we hate each other. And she was like, are you serious? I was like, yeah. She's like, I'm a big boy.

I know what I'm. She's, I don't want to do that to you. I said, I know what I'm getting into. I said, or hey, if you don't want to go. She's no, I do. I'm interested. I'm interested. I was like, okay, great.

So we talked for like to like two or three in the morning. You know, I drove home. We're on the phone. We're talking. The next day we talk. Next day we talk. We're about to go out again. She ghosts me.

Totally ghost me. Nothing. No response to my emails or my text. I'm like, what the hell? So I sent her to text and says, hey, listen. And I go over all this on my podcast.

Like it's like an hour long thing. I'm giving you the Reader's Digest version. So we can get the AR-50. The abridged version? Yeah. So. So we. So I.

end up sending her thing saying, hey, listen, I don't know what I did or what happened, but given your situation, I hope you have the best result possible. You know, you seem like a nice person. I'm just disappointed that we didn't get to know each other better. I'm sorry. I said, and if I upset you, you know, I'm sorry, but I would have liked to have gotten to know you. And I sent it, no big deal. Like, I'm on. I'm going on in the next one. Well, like a week later, I get this long-ass text. And on my podcast, like, I read the whole text. You can read the whole thing. Like, I have the Siri read the whole thing. And it just, it's like, look, it's Not that I'm not interested.

You don't understand. My husband died. I feel guilty. I feel guilty about being happy. You understand that I'm going to end up passing away. I feel bad about this. And it goes on and on. So we end up talking on the phone.

So I text her back. Look, let's just talk. So we talk. And she says, look, I talked to my daughter. My daughter said, look, this guy, he knows. He's an adult. He wants to meet you. He wants to date you.

You deserve to be happy. You don't have to spend your last two years just driving us around. You need to be happy. And if you like this guy, you should go out with him. So she goes, look, and I'm sorry. She's on the phone crying. Damn. I mean, this is one date.

Wow. So she's like, look, she's like, you know, it's just I can't believe that you know that I'm going to die and you're okay with that. You're going to be okay with that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be okay with it. Like, you don't understand. I'm all in. It's a bank theory, right? Like, I'm not going on the bank with a note.

I'm going on with an AR 15 and I'm taking out with the contents of the vault. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm all in. If I'm all in, I'm all in. So, anyway, she's like, look, if you. If you're willing, then I'm willing. Let's do this. Great.

We end up talking for the next couple days. Again, once again, on the phone, she's texting me all the time. It's great. Super, just smart, sexy. And, you know, the cancer thing, whatever. We'll see what happens with that. So we go to, we're supposed to meet that night. Ghost me.

Again, ghost me one, like three days later, ghost me. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I don't know what happened. So, like a week later, my ex-wife calls me and she's like, hey, what's up? up, you know, what's going on with this person, what's going on that person? I talked to her, yeah, this and this and this, nobody go. You know, this one, and you like her? I like her, but this is the problem.

Well, what about this one? I like her, but I like her, but, you know, there's problems. She's, what about the cancer chick? She said, you really liked her? And I go, right, and I told you. She goes to me, she goes, yeah, but she don't know what happened. I said, well, no, I don't know what happened. She said, you know her address?

I mean, I can figure it out. She goes, you need to go to her house and find out. And I went, I know, I know. That's a little weird. Oh yeah, yeah, oh, no, no, don't trust. That's bad advice. Your ex-wife's trying to get you out. She's trying to get me killed.

I know. Listen, I know. I'm with you. But keep in mind, this is also the chick that every time I got indicted, prior to the indictment, she's like, look, I know that your friends got indicted and you like them and we like them. They're good people. We don't talk to them anymore.

I'm like, what? She's like, they were indicted. They're going to roll over on you. They're going to, I'm like, they would never do that. Like, if you understand, every time I've been in trouble, she's told me, this is what's going to happen. Stop now. Do this. get rid of this, do this.

I never do it. I never listened to her. Is your ex-wife, is she in the American greed episode of you? No. No? No. Oh, she's always avoided the...

She has. Yeah, she's good. So, anyway, so I sat there and she convinces me going there. I'm like, that's stalker material. She says, look, you show up, you knock on the door. If she opens the door and says, Matt, get out of here. She goes, leave. She was, but read me the text.

So I start reading all the text. She was, she never once says she doesn't like you. you or she's not interested. All she's saying is, you're an amazing guy, you're a great guy, I like you, I like you, I want to date you. She goes, you don't know, Matt. She could be in the hospital. You don't know what's happening.

Just go to check it out. She's for her to just disappear. That's weird. And I went, yeah, if I show up and she's like, what are you doing here? I'll just leave. You know, I can't have the cops called on me. Like, I'm not in that position. I'm not stalking you.

So I drive out there. I find her thing. I drive out. Wait, wait, wait. How did you find her address? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I know her name. The Hillsborough County.

No, no, no. This is out in, um, it's another. I don't want to say. Whatever county it was. So you searched this county's, uh, public, public records. I find her house. Oh my God. It's not hard.

So I track her down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how to do that. That's crazy. Um, property appraiser. Property appraiser. Yeah.

So I, I track her down. I mean, I know a real name. Here's the thing like literally like she doesn't even use her real name, but she told it to me. Her husband's last name when we were at dinner. So. And it's like a Russian name, but it's a common Russian name. name. So anyway, I go that, well, it's a European name. So I go there.

That's the cop. So anyway. Okay. So. You got, Matt, for people out there who don't know the context of that, Matt has a lady cop texting him. Yeah, I have a, I have a chick that I've gone on a few dates with that's a police officer. Matt's slinging dick all around town. That's not true. That is a, that is a lie. It's not what's happening at all.

He might only be five foot four, but he's slinging. Five, seven with a good pair of shoes. Five, six. You know, listen, can we not? Listen, so here's what happened. So I go out there. To her house. To her house.

I'm almost to her house. And I call up, and Kayla calls, my ex-wife calls. And she goes, are you almost there? And I was like, yeah, she was, stop. And I go, what? What? She goes, go by a Publix. And I went, okay, she goes, get a dozen roses.

You can't show up with empty handed. She goes, it's like a romantic gesture. It'll be great. And I go, are you fucking serious? I'm telling you right now, I'm already looking like a fucking idiot. I said, like this can't get any more embarrassing. You want me to have roses. She goes, yes.

I go, okay, fine. So I stop, I get a dozen. I get a dozen rows. I get, grab a dozen roses. I go, I pull up to the house. I don't see her car. But I can see that there's people inside. And I know she's got a couple kids.

And I know she's got a roommate that's blind that she takes guys she takes care of. And I thought. A guy she takes care of? Yeah, he's blind. So he lives in a spare room. They pay her and she kind of, you know, social security disability. Right. So I'm like.

And I look and I thought, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go down there. I'll knock on the door. Whoever answers this door, I'm going to say, hey, my name's Matt. Her name's Alyssa. Hey, my name's Matt. I'm here for Alyssa. If, you know, she's not here.

Okay, it's fine. Can you give her these roses, tell her I stop by? And then I'm leaving. Like, I'm already like, listen, I'm already feeling uncomfortable. So I walk down there. I'm walking down the sidewalk about to get to the front door. And suddenly her car pulls on the lawn. It's out in the stick.

So they park on the lawn. It comes roaring down and stop. Oh, you're like out in the sticks. Oh, yeah, bro. Yeah, I'm out there. It's bad. How close of the neighborhood houses? I mean...

What county is this in? Is it Polk? Fuck, no, it's like Castle County or... Like Ocala area? It's like whatever above Orlando. It's like... Yeah, it's like Ocala. Yeah, so I can't...

I don't remember the exact name of the county, but the point is, is that I'm... You're in the middle of Florida, where the shit goes down. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of pickup drops from. When you get it for like a couple hours from... any coast and you're in the middle of Florida? Yeah, it's, it's the same.

It's where the good shit goes down. Does there make America green flags flying flying? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I'm, you know, I'm not prepared for this. So, so the car pulls right on down, right about five, ten feet away from me. It stops. And I think it's her.

So I turn, I'm holding flowers. I'm in, I'm in. Dress to the nines. Bro, I'm in a tight t-shirt and skinny jeans holding a dozen I mean, I might as well be homosexual. I mean, it's that bad. I look that bad. It's that embarrassing. I'm just like, I'm as, I'm like a helpless little puppy. What time of the days?

8 o'clock. It's dark. Oh, my. It's 7.30. Okay, keep going. So, so the car door opens, boom. And I think it's going to be her. So I'm like, hey, what's up? It's her car, though, right? Her car. Boom. Guy stands up. He's like 6'4 with 2 inch healed Cowboy. He's like 6 foot 6.

Country looking guy? Country, bro. He's got a fucking baseball cap he's got a a wife beater on he's got torn blue jeans i mean he's it's bad like hunter first thing i thought of was one slender man and two he looks like a hunter he's super skinny like he looks and he also looks like a hunter and i remember he stands up and he goes hey man he said uh you here for somebody i went uh yeah i'm here for alissa i threw some bass in my voice you know yeah yeah bro no um what the hell this is bad so oh yeah Oh, it's horrible. Oh, God.

So I go, yeah, I'm here for Alyssa. And he goes, he said, all right, I'll get her. He walks off. I follow him. Follow him off the little sidewalk. I'm about 10, 15 feet outside the door, but it's total dark, right? So he opens the door, and I can see her inside. But she can't see me on in silhouette.

So he opens the door, and then he closes the door. Then he opens it again. He goes, hey, bro. Or he kept calling me, um, Bubba. Yo, Bob. Bob. Yo, Bob. What's, uh, he said, what's your name?

And I go, my name's Matt. She knows who I am. And he goes, says something, closes the door, opens the door again, closes it, and walks right by me. Walks over to the car, opens the door, leans in the car, comes back out. Boom. He's holding an AR-15. And I'm like, huh. Then he goes walking right.

And as he's walking by me back in the house, I go, I'm still holding the flowers, by the way. I'm like, well, that ain't good. And he just doesn't say anything. Like, I thought he was going to be like, oh, it's not a big deal. There's a power move. Yeah, he just walked right. by me again and I'm thinking, now I'm thinking, this is a bad idea. Like, I don't know who that guy is. I do remember she had told me she had only dated one guy since her, she and her husband split up.

Dated him for, she was like, we dated for six months. She said, then he basically stalked me. She was, I had to get her straining order against him. And she said he won't, won't leave me alone. She's, he still comes around. So I was, so I didn't know that that was him. That was him. His name's Chris. Definitely. So he walked right by me, walks in, opens the, door, closes the door. The front door of the house? Front door of the house and I see her. Now she's standing way closer. She see you? Oh, she, now she definitely saw me. She knows it's me, Matt. And so, he opens the door. Then he turns around. He opens the door. He's holding the gun like this. He opens the door and he goes, yo, Bubba, you got to go. And I go, well, excuse me? Like, I didn't

understand it. And he goes, yo, Bubba, he said, you got to go. You got to go. And I went, whoa, whoa, whoa. I said, yo, bro. I said, I didn't know. Is that serious? My bad. I'm, I'm out of here. Sorry about that. Didn't realize what was, didn't realize this, was that serious. I turn around. I start walking backwards. He's walking towards me with the gun. Oh, man.

And I'm walking backwards. I get close to her car because her car was right up front, remember? And I take the flowers. I said, I'm leaving these here because I don't want them. Boom. Those are for her. See you around. I turn around and walk up.

He goes, yo, Bubba. I stop. I go, yeah, what's up? He said, man, how did you get her address? And I said, it's on the internet. And he goes, is it? And I go, it is if you look hard enough. And he goes, all right.

And so I started. start walking. Then I kind of walk off and he goes, yo, blah, blah. I said, yeah, man, what's up? He said, and I'm sorry you're having a bad night. That's what he said? Yeah. And I said, no, I said, listen, bro. I said, it's, it's my fault. I said, I thought I would make a romantic gesture. I clearly misread the signals. It said, totally my fault. He said, I said, you know, my bad. I said, you won't see me again. Turn around and he said, yeah, I know. He said, Bro, I've been there. I've been there, man.

I've been there. He said, I get it. He said, but I hope you have a better night. I said, no problem. I walk off. I get in my car. I start driving. Call my ex-wife.

And I said, I just had a guy, her ex-boyfriend just pulled an AR-15 on me. She goes, oh, my God, you went to the front door? I didn't think you'd do it. And I was like, what the hell? What do you mean? You didn't think I'd do it. And she's why?

I said, you know I'm a risk taker? You know I'm going to do it. And she goes, what happened? And then I told her. and she's like, oh my God, that's crazy. Wow. That went a lot better than I thought it was going to go. Oh, yeah. Well, it could have gone bad. So I did, listen, here's what funny. I did.

So then I call Vesser, our mutual friend. I say, Vesser, this is what happened. Veser goes, holy shit. He goes, that's Chris, that's her ex-boyfriend. She's got a restraining order against him. I didn't think they were seeing each other again. He's like, otherwise, I wouldn't have hooked you up with her. And I was like, right?

And I said, bro, is all of this real? Like, does she really have cancer? He goes, no, no, no, she's got cancer. He's no, that's true. and then he starts telling me about the two of them and they shouldn't be around each other, they're bad for each other, and they keep going, he goes on and on.

And then he ends up saying, he's like, what are you going to do? I said, well, I got to do a podcast on this. So this is hilarious. Only this is what happened to me. So he said, yeah, definitely let me know. So I do the podcast on my channel and then I release it.

When I release it, he contacts me in the comment section. He does. He said, yo, bro. He said, this is the guy with his name, Chris, God, I forget, mix something. Anyway, he said, I'm the guy with the AR-15. He said, I'm sorry you had such a, or I hope you ended up having a better night.

I said, no, Chris, I appreciate that. I said, I said, I'm just glad you didn't shoot me. And then he said, by the way, he said, when I removed the gun from the car, I removed it just to keep it in the house for the night. There's something called the Castle Law. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. I'm familiar with it.

Right, he said, and when I opened the door, he said, I never had my hand on the trigger. I'm sure. I'm sure he didn't. Right. He probably didn't. So I came back and I said, probably not even allowed to have a gun. Right. He probably knows what the fuck he's doing. Right. Well, I came back and I said, Chris, I said, I'm not trying to get anybody fucked up. I said, I understand how the castle law works. I said, you're fine. Don't worry about it. And then that was it. I haven't heard from him since. Or her. Oh, but this, she blocked me on Facebook.

She did? Yeah, because what's funny is after I left, she didn't. But when the video came out, she did. so oh and I also put pictures of her like I've got talked to her all after that night no I got I put multiple pictures of her on my podcast and him I went on his podcast stop I went on his Facebook and I took pictures of him oh fuck they never asked me let me see you got me see a picture I'm I want to see it for her I have no of him honestly yeah because I got a picture of him in my head too and listen I'm telling you right now I'm picturing kid rock yeah yeah yeah that's exactly what it is but from Joe Dirt movie David Spade no not the regular no not the regular kid rock's in that movie Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So not like the onstage kid rock, but the Joe Dirk kid rock. It's exactly what I picture. Oh, my God. This is, man, I wish we could call that guy.

Oh, why not show? Come on, bro. He's not, he's not, he's not as countries, I thought. Are you serious? No, no, look at the next one. Yeah, but he's. Yeah. Look at the picture of it's, see the, here, let me show.

Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. See the picture of the two of them shooting? He, um. Austin's trying to get a glimpse of this motherfucker. Okay, show it to him. He's just another mid-Florter guy, man. Yeah.

That's what they all look like. He looks like he listens to Tool and 9-inch nails. Of course. He's listening to fucking Hank Williams. Yeah, he looks like he looks kind of like Hank Williams Jr., honestly. Or no, Hank Williams 3. He looks kind of like Hank 3. You want to see what she looks like?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right? Right. She looks like she might work at the strip club. right that's a stripper bikini right there does she work at a gentleman's club

hold on no are you sure no I'm sure I mean trust me Visser told me I mean Vesser gave me the fucking lowdown yeah she looks like she looks like a corn fed redneck herself

bro like you know what's so funny is like everybody like Visser's like I don't think that's your kind of girl I'm like no no bro that's exactly my kind of girl and he's like nah bro like I mean I don't see you with this shit That is definitely Matt's kind of girl. Trust me. She's trouble.

Yeah, that's my kind of girl. Trust me. But yeah, she's clearly, I don't know. It didn't work out. Yeah, clearly. You know, and I got the AR-15, but I did get the podcast out. I got a good podcast. Yeah, it's another story.

Another page of the book. You're lucky he was very, he was extremely reasonable. That's what I said. He's not how I would expect some sort of fucking meth-up redneck to be. If you have to get kicked off a piece of property. At least he didn't even pointed out you. No. No, no, it didn't point it at me.

I mean, he was very nice. he wasn't really, you know, just, he wasn't like, look, you're, look at me, I'm, I'm, I'm like, come on, you know I don't have a gun, you know, come on, you know what this is. He could have been like, he could have been like those two old white people in front of their big mansion. Basically what he was.

No, those two people, there was the lady, like, she had their finger on the trigger and she was like holding the gun out like that, like, and the guy had his gun and he had his hand, his finger on trigger, was holding it completely wrong. Like, they did, you could tell, like, they've never held guns before in their lives. Now, he's clearly a gun guy. Yeah, he knows what he he's doing. That's a fun story.

Yeah, well, he definitely knows what he's doing because I'm not going over there again. Yeah. That's a great fucking story, Matt. So now you've got the lady cop. Yeah, the lady cop. I can't talk about a lady cop. That's going to, because she's going to, because she's going to, that's as far as it can go. Like, she's going to watch this and she's going to be like, I don't know what she's going to say.

I don't know what she's going on with that. She's not a cop. She's in law enforcement. She's like Dexter Morgan. Right. I can't believe you've seen that show, bro. That show's really good. You would love that show.

I mean, yeah. Oh, wait, have you seen it? No, I've seen bits and pieces. But I mean, the fact is, is the guy's a serial. I keep, same thing with the guy from you. Everybody keeps telling me like, oh, that's, that, that's you. You're so-and-so. My friend Stacy keeps calling me that guy's name.

I forget his name, but she keeps saying, I'm telling you, you're so-and-so. And I'm like, he's killing people. Why do you? I've got like three, there's like three people. that I keep getting compared to and they're all like serial killers. Yeah. How am I silly?

I'm harmless. It's the personality though. Yeah, it's all about the personality. You have a lot of serial killer traits, the sociopathic. Yeah. Very articulate sociopathic persona.

That's a calm. Don't act like you're not fucking blushing. He's stroking. All right. What are we doing? I don't know. What are we doing? I don't know.

You called me their day. And you were crying the blues. Why do you keep saying that? You keep saying like I'm saying they screwed me out of money. I've never said anything about money. How Vice scammed. So Vice Media scammed the world, the America's favorite scammer.

Yeah, that's what you should do. They conned and how Vice conned. America's favorite con man. Yeah. That's fucked up. That's your, that's your title. I'd sue them. I'm not suing them.

There's no reason to sue them. That's the whole thing. That's why they did it. because they know there's no real money involved here. Like it'd be different if it was a movie that made $80 million. But now there's going to be a lot. Well, yet that's my fear. They're ward dog in you.

Oh, shit, they are war dogging you. Here's the thing. So, okay, so the thing is I met this kid named Jacob Diaz. So here's what happens with vice. Is this one of the stories that you wrote when you were prison? This is one of the guys you met? 20-some-odd stories that I've written. And it was a kid named Jacob Diaz.

And so I wrote his story. And it's a story about this kid that basically at one point he was homeless. His mother left him. His mother abandoned him. He ended up in foster care eventually, but he was homeless. He ends up working for, I want to say it was like this Seniloa cartel. Yeah, right in the, right in the mic. Right in the mic.

So he ends up working for like the, like the, is it the new generation or Sinoloa cartel. Anyway, whatever. one of the Mexican cartels. And he ends up basically occurring money, arranging, like he goes through the ranks, right? Well, so I write his story. So he and I, we, we, I end up writing this story for him. And typically I have these guys sign like a life rights agreement, right?

So I have him sign a life rights agreement. And what happens is, as I'm, he says he's going to sign the agreement. So I write the story. I give him the agreement. He says, yeah, yeah, let me look at it, this and that, this and that. Well, when it comes time to write the story, he ends up getting transferred. And I finish the story kind of, no, not transferred. He ends up going, he ends up going being, going to halfway house before me.

And so I finished the story, but I never, he never reads the story. So, or the whole story. And so, but it never signs the life rights agreement. He keeps saying he's going to, but he doesn't. So I end up getting out. I post his story on my website. And it's called the unlikely narco. It's on my website Inside True Crime.

So I post it. It's a good story. And it's a great story. I did a lot of research on it. I realize there's a bunch of stuff that he didn't even know about his story. Like I had to do research on who this guy was and how he was connected to that guy and all these other stories that are involved in his story. And so I do a bunch of research. I do the Freedom of Information Act.

I order all the documents. I order everything from his docket sheet. Like I've got transcripts. I got everything. So I put together this whole really great story. Well, one day, a couple years late, like a year or so afterwards, I end up getting an email from Claudia Kist. K-I-S-T. So I get an email.

She is a producer. She says she's a story producer for. on true crime series for Vice TV called I'm a teenage, what is it? I was a teenage felon. I was a teenage felon. So she contacts me about John Boziac. She said, and she says in here like, hey, like she had basically, she had found my story on John Boziac.

She was interested. Could I put her in contact? You know, she said, I see that you guys wrote a book together. Can I, can you put me in contact with them? And I said, well, so I get her on the phone. I call her. And I said, look, the problem with John Boziac is that his story, I've already, We've already optioned the life rights for his story.

And she says, oh, okay. She said, wow, you know, do you have any other stories like that? I need somebody who's young. I said, the only guy that meets your criteria for vice is this guy named Jacob Diaz. I said, I wrote a story called The Unlikely Narco. I said, it's on my website. I give her the website. She goes to it.

I said, why don't you read it and let me know? I give it to her. She reads it. She comes back and she says it's great. It's a great story. So, in fact, before I even did that, because I had been talking to somebody else about a guy named Henry, before I even got a guy named Henry Roosevelt, before I even talked to her and gave her the name of the story, I contacted Henry, which is this one, and I put Henry, I would like to call Claudia regarding a story I wrote titled The Unlikely Narco, is that going to be an issue?

So I sent that to him. So he comes back, he talks to me and he says, what is it? And I explain the whole situation to him. And he says, yeah, yeah. He said, I don't have a problem with that. He said, I don't have a problem with that. He said, we're not going to do anything with that story probably. So go ahead and talk to her.

So I get her on the phone. I said, okay, look, I've got this other story called the unlikely narco. You couldn't look at that. I give her the website. She goes to it. She checks it out. She comes back. She says, man, that's great.

That's perfect. I said, all right. And I said, she goes, can you put me in contact with him? I said, I can put you in contact with them. I said, but here's the problem, Claudia. I said, I've had stories stolen from me before. I said, now, if you just read that whole, you just read the whole thing, she says, yeah, it's great. I said, so you understand I've written your entire episode for you.

That's an hour long, that's an hour long script that I've written. Right, it's an episode. That's your whole episode. Right there. Right. And she says, no, I agree. It's perfect for us. I said, right.

So I said, I don't mind putting you in touch with this guy, but I want. an executive producer credit and I want 20 grand and she goes okay um she says I don't think I can do 20 grand she said the executive producer credit she says I may or may not be able to do that I need to call talk to vice first she says but I think I can probably get you the executive producer and I can probably get you maybe 10 and I went okay um I said I don't know I said let's let me let's talk to Jacob I said I think I'd be okay with that I mean I'm really only concerned about to me the the executive producer credit. That's what I'm mostly.

Yeah, you want credit for it. It's your story you already wrote to do. Right. I don't care about the 10 grand. You know, I care about the, I want credit. I'm building a, you know, you're building a resume. Right. So she says, okay.

And I said, you know, you have to understand. I said, I've written your whole, you don't have to hire a writer. You guys don't have to spend hours putting this together. She says, no, it's perfect. Perfect. I said, okay. She said, well, look, before I contact Vice, my boss at Vice to get all this clear. She's a subcontractor for Vice.

Yes, that's what I'm realizing. I don't, didn't know that. Yeah, that's how they make, that's how they are able to keep that business running. Right. So I said, I go, okay, she said, before I contact my boss, right, she's really a subcontractor, but she's saying my boss. Right. So it makes it sound like she works for him.

So she's like, and she, listen, she's, you understand, they're doing the whole show. Like they are, you know, they're contract with vice. Right. So she says, let me call my boss. I said, okay, cool. She goes, I'll call my boss. She said, but before I contact him, she said, I need to. know that Diaz is willing to be interviewed. So I've got to talk to him. And I went, okay, cool.

I said, I'll, I'll contact him. So I said, I'll send him an email. I send him an email. And then he emailed me back. I said, are you still in Orlando? I've got a producer for Vice TV that wants to talk to you. And I said, I can arrange that. I said, just, but I need to know, are you still in Orlando? And he came back. He said, yes, I'm still in Orlando. And I said, okay, cool, send me your, your, your cell phone, right? Because his cell phone had been changed. and your contact info. So I contact her and I said, listen, here's his email address. He's going to send me his contact info.

I said, you can go ahead and contact him and I'll get you his cell phone as soon as he sends it. I saw her if he responds to you, whatever. So she then sent him an email. And so like some time goes by and I sent her an email saying, hey, what happened? And she comes back and she says, she came. So she comes back and she says, Hi, Matt, I thought I had copied you on the email. Apologies.

Yeah. And then she put, here's a copy of what I sent just so you know in case he reaches out to you first. Then he says, fingers crossed. One of these avenues works. Well, I never heard from her or him again. I called her. She didn't respond to the call. I actually had a call with her and Henry.

Henry talked to her too. And on the call with Henry and the call with me, I said, look, I want to make sure you understand. I'm not giving you this story. Like, this is my story. I don't want to be screwed out of my story. She was absolutely, Matt, she's, that's not how I work. I would not do that.

And she's saying I work for Vice. I work for Vice TV. She says, it's a credible company. I would never do that. She said, I assure you, I just need to make sure that talk to him to make sure he's okay with it. If he's okay, I come back to you. if you say no, it's no. I said, okay, cool.

Because I'm the only reason she even knows about this guy. And it's not like there's anything. There's no public records out there. There's no articles. There's none of that. Like I think there's one. No, I don't think there's an article with his name in it. So I'm the one that put together all the pieces, the whole thing.

And so I don't hear from her again. I called her once. I think I sent her a text. That's it. Don't ever hear from her again. don't ever hear from Jacob. Well, obviously, huh? Should we expose her on here?

Tell her name? I already did. Oh, you did? Her name is Claudia Christ. She's a producer. Oh, God, I can't believe you did that, bro. With the K or a C? It's Claudia with a C, obvious.

And it's Chris with a K, K-I-S-T. Oh, K-I-S-T. Oh, K-I-S-T. Okay. K-I-S-T. K-S-T. And Claudia assured me that she didn't do business like that. She wouldn't screw me out of anything.

And I basically wrote their whole thing, and here's what happens. That's exactly what scammers said. She got to them. As soon as he got the email, he called her. Yeah. She said, I'll give you 10 grand. Right. We don't need Matt Cox. He already wrote the goddamn story. Right. We've already got the fucking. We already got his story. We don't need that guy. Why would I give him credit for anything? Yeah. By the way, he wants 20. I'll give you 15. Yeah. I mean, so basically, and I don't know anything about it. Don't know anything about it until later a buddy of mine calls me up and says, yo, bro, that Diaz thing, huh? I doubt they paid him more than $5,000.

Yeah, I agree. They were probably like, Matt wants $3,000. We'll give you $5. Yeah. So they said, my buddy calls and says, yo, bro, I saw the thing on Jacob Diaz. There's a thing on Jacob Diaz, man. That's super cool.

I go, what are he talking about? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, the series, I was a teenage felon. I went, he was, yeah, I was scrolling through it the other day. I saw Jacob Diaz. Yeah, you wrote that story. He said, he had the cartel kid. I went, no, no, I wrote the unlikely narco.

And he goes, no, no, It's Jacob Diaz. It's the cartel kid. I go, hold on. I go to the site. Boom, I see it. And I'm going, Oh, fuck, I wish I had that on footage. That's my story.

I read that. I mean, literally, I could have written it. The little blurb. I could have written it. It was taken directly from my synops. Like, boom. Directly from your manuscript? From the, I have a synopsis.

Okay. Of the main, the synopsis. But I also have a little jacket cover, which is like two or three paragraphs. I mean, it's basically they just rewrote it a little bit. It's, it's, it's, it's, I'm going. This motherfucker. Then I called Danny.

Oh, no, I called Henry. And Henry, the other producer I'm working with, he's like, yeah, bro, he's their dirty. I don't know what to tell you, man. It's vice. Vice is dirty. His vice will steal stuff from people all the time. It's horrible. He said the problem is, is like it's hard to, it's hard to sue them because the truth is there's not a lot of money in it.

And you go to some lawyer, what's the lawyer going to do? The lawyer's going to be like, yeah. Well, they have a lot of money, though. They have a lot of money, but they're going to be like, yeah, but they have their whole system. He said, is their whole system is set up to rip people off. Yeah, absolutely. Right. So that if you end up with a lawyer, the lawyer's like, yeah, but when we sue, we'll sue

this and this and this and then there's nothing to get. Like, what did that episode make them? Right. How much, yeah. Well, are we going to make? Is it worth going to, and they're going to fight us. They've got lawyers on staff. They're going to fight us.

Because their whole business model is based on ripping people off. Yeah. So, anyway, so. Well, their business model is based on like being a cool company and getting people to work there for for for nothing to nothing that is exactly that is exactly what henry said yeah he said they get these interns yeah and people come and use it and they work them to death for a couple years until they become disenfranchised right and then they say i'm done and then they quit but they get the best out of them yeah yeah i've talked to well i know a lot of people who worked for

for advice for a long time one kid who actually is kind of come on here soon he he worked there from the very very beginning when like the guy Shane founded it and uh he worked there for fucking decades and then he just got fired like last year but they sold they they sold the company off to investors and it's not owned by the original they they cashed out and now it's just run by who knows who it's it's corporate yeah what kills me is like why do that when like why would you do that when like i've got a ton of stories like and why it's try and fuck somebody out like one story it's just it's just they're taking that and they're on to the next one yeah i know it's it's a mill right so i watch the whole episode. You watch the episode. The episode is so watered down compared to my story.

I actually haven't watched it yet. Are you serious? Yeah. Like it's super watered down. It's very watered down. Um, you know, he, because honestly, let's face it with where the commercial, it's only 45 minutes. Like they, they, they, they, they, and they, it's like some of the stuff that they really focus on. Well, here's the thing. They have a budget. Wait, wait, wait, you watched it for the first time today after I said it. Yes. Yes. So my whole thing is, I'm watching it. I'm, I'm like, why didn't they talk about this? Why didn't they do this? They could have done. roll here. They could have done this. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought, well, wait a minute, they have a limited budget.

Like, they really utilize the interviews. Like, it's almost all interviews because the interviews are cheap. Oh, yeah. It's like basically a fucking, it's a guy sitting on a couch like that. Exactly. With one camera or maybe two cameras, and then it's cut B-roll in. Right. It's all B-roll. It's super

cheap. So, yeah, it's a super cheap. And that's the whole thing. It's not worth like how to use sue for that. Like, and not just that based on that. Like, to me, I was thinking, well, they didn't Is that theft of my intellectual property? Like the narrative that I have, my story is so much better than that, that I'm like, I wonder, does that go anywhere?

It's just not a great episode on this kid. Compared to this kid's story, listen, this kid's got a great story. Have you reached out to him at all? I mean, he and I actually, we actually met in Orlando to talk about him signing his life rights. And what happened was when we were in prison, it was 50-50. But he never signed. So when we got out, I said 60-40. And he was like, oh, that's not right.

I said, no, no, no, no, no. No. I put in significant amount of effort at this point. It's 60-40. I said, you had an opportunity. You then tried to get, he then had a buddy come to me and try and get the story from me. When I was in prison, I was like, but I knew. And I was like, I knew something was up.

Like, I know your friends is him. And that's a friend of Diaz's. And I thought, no. You're trying to get the story to send to Diaz. Like, because you didn't sign. Not that he could do anything with. Like, even this. Even this thing.

Like, I mean, even the vice thing. You didn't, you couldn't even do that by yourself. Yeah. It went through me. Like, you're not going to take your story and run and do anything with your story if it doesn't go through me. Because, you know, you're just some ex-con who's got an alcohol problem and fixes credit for a living. But by the way, he has called. called me like that's what a client for him yeah but i mean he called like trust me i wouldn't give

my soche like he literally called me oh listen the stuff he was doing in prison yeah like he he would call me several times when i was even when i was in halfway house he was calling me on my cell phone drunk 11 12 o'clock at night drunk just what are we gonna do about this story bro you know i'm like you know what what are you doing bro like so anyway he so i know he so i know he wasn't going to do So I went out and I said, look, 60, 40. And he agreed 60, he was okay, fine, he was 60, 40. And I sent him the contract and I never got the contract back. And while this whole thing was happening, so it literally in the same time period, this thing happened.

And I'm just assuming he's going to sign the contract. We've already agreed. No. But yeah, the episodes watered down because he actually has a great story. You have to admit, it's gutsy. This is a kid who's 18 starts driving around a cartel member, setting up houses. setting up, you know, drop houses where they store drugs, starts distributing the drugs, collecting the money, setting up cars to move through the United States to bring drugs

to Orlando. And he's flying back. He moves to Acapoco and lives there for several years and starts arranging drug. This is in the middle of the cartel wars. People are dying left and right. and he's a but he's an American he's an American having an American passport and being

Mexican American he does any by the way he doesn't look Mexican looks like a white kid so he very easily goes back and forth between Mexico one time he actually got caught with money the DEA comes DEA comes in they take the money they give him a receipt and they leave

they don't arrest him because you they don't know it's drug money they said but if you can prove where the money came from you can get the money back. He called the lawyer. The lawyer's like, look, what are you doing? You're saying you made the money doing what mowing yards? Like, what are you doing? You're not getting the money back. Like, you'd have to claim taxes. You have to prove where it came from. Is this his drug money? Like, just walk away. So he just walked away. He's got a ton. How much money? I don't know how many. Was it 100 or 200,000 or 200,000? And then he had to pay back the cartel. Then another time he gets chased by the cops. He throws like $300,000. He hides it, gets caught, goes to jail, like three or four months later, gets out, goes back to the wood. gets the money. He's like, because I can't lose more money. I just lost money. I just pay back the other money I lost. Like, they'll kill me.

So he gets the money, goes back. I mean, he's got a bunch of stuff to chase him with helicopters. He has some great stuff. And this is the thing. Like, a lot of these stories, like, it was like, that seems far-fetched. But then I would get the police report in. Yeah. They chased him with the helicopter.

They even charged him for the helicopter fuel. So, you know, he's got interesting stuff. And he does. He's traveling back. Then I read the transcripts. Listen, the FBI, sorry, the DEA agent on the stand made him sound like he was a huge drug dealer. Like he's, like he was practically a member of the cartel. Yeah.

Anyway, look, it's a great, it's a great story. Yeah. It is a great story. The problem is the vice version sucks. Yeah. So not impressed. No, I wasn't impressed at all. Yeah, none of their new stuff really sucks.

None of the stuff they're doing right now is any good. Is any good? Not that I think. I don't know. Well, I mean, I've only seen, I've seen two. Actually, that one and another one called The Queen of, Queen of Meth or something like that, about some. The Teenage Villain is one aren't that bad. We had that other guy on here that had an episode on there.

Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, the problem is, like, if you just watched the episode, you'd probably think, man, that's pretty good. Yeah. But if you read my story and then watch it, you're like, that sucks. Yeah. What other stories do you have out there, out in the market right now that have interest to, like, become films or documentaries? You know, like Boziacs, I can't talk about, but, you know, it's great. That's going to happen.

Is it going to happen? Is it going to happen? Really? Yeah, you saw the sizzle. I saw the sizzle. I actually, I don't think I saw the sizzle. Oh, bro, I got to show you. Do you have it with you?

Yeah, but I can't play it. Like, if Henry even knew I had, if they, like, even if Henry sees this, he's going to be like, what? Wait, who's Henry? Henry Roosevelt, the guy who, like, I can't even talk about this, Danny. Is he the production company? Yes. Oh, have they sold it? What are you doing?

So anyway, I have, we don't have to tell detail. Who cares? No one, bro, because they freak out. You don't have to say who it is. They freak out. I mean, this is alleged. They don't watch this. Bro, they're going to watch this.

They're going to watch this. Nobody watches this. Everybody watches Concrete. Talking about, listen, every time I get recognized, the first thing they say is, I saw you on concrete. I'm like, they're talking about the first episode, not the fuck. Oh, no, yeah, because nobody watches any of these anymore. Everybody's going to watch it because Danny's going to title it, Vice, Scammed Matt Cox.

See, I would cut these up. I don't know why you don't cut up, one, the AR-15 one, two, the Vice one. They do get cut up. Huh? They do get cut up. Yeah, but that's on the clip one, right? Yeah, the clip's channel. Like, to me, it'd be like.

I don't do it, but who does it? Somebody else that edits it and does all that post it. Like, they run the channel, just like your guy runs a channel for you. Right. Not Austin. Austin just sits over there and wears fucking socks and looks cool and travels in the fucking world. He just got back from fucking Iceland or something. That's right.

Where did you get back from? Where's the last place you went? St. Shells. Where? St. Shells. Is that a place? What the fuck is St.

Is that a country? Oh, Madagascar. He just got back from fucking Madagascar. Is there anything in that? I texted him there day. I'm like, hey, we got a podcast Friday. He's like, oh, fuck. I'm in Madagascar.

I'll Uber. Can you Uber? Yeah. Yeah, right. He's in Madagascar. one week, fucking Greece the next week, fucking Antarctica and tomorrow. Life is good, man. Fucking well-traveled.

His mom's hot, right? And his mom's hot. I don't know. We got a hook, we got to put Matt Cox up when he told me. His mom was hot. His mom is hot. Everyone says, allegedly, I've never seen her, but apparently she's hot. Do we have pictures?

I'm sure Austin's dying to show you a fucking picture. I'm assuming Austin's smiling behind the screen, but he may be steaming. Yeah. No, he's shaking his head saying, who the fuck said that about my. My mom. Let me see. What else? What else?

I don't know, man. We got your NFT. Your NFTs coming out, right? Are we going to watch the Vice thing? You want to watch it? I mean, we can watch it so you can see how, listen. This kid. This kid in prison, by the way, was thin, in shape, good-looking kid.

Now he's like a little butterball. The cartel kid. Oh, I know what I wanted to talk to you about. The Jis Lane Maxwell. Right. Yeah, yeah. I talked to Sean Atwood about it. Did you?

The other day, because he's an expert in him. He's been studying, he's been, you probably know, but he's obsessed with it. Oh, yeah. He has, uh, he's been making videos following Epstein and Gieland Maxwell for the past fucking decade probably, something like that. He's made hundreds of videos about him. And he knows every single little detail about every part of their lives and their case and everything.

And he, uh, he sat down with this other guy. And they basically, like, laid out all of the possibilities that, for all of the possible outcomes for her trial. You know, they laid out like four or five possible outcomes, like mistrial. You know, they know what she's doing. They like, oh, she's annoying the judge. She's writing the judge these fucking letters every single day.

And they're annoying the fuck out of the judge. That's a bad idea. And she's, they're like, she's so arrogant like her father. Robert Maxwell, the billionaire media mogul. and they're just like,

they're laying out like her personality, how she's acting, how she's acting towards the judge, annoying the judge, they're talking about the jury, and I don't know, the way they're laying it out, they go over what they think

all the possible outcomes will be. I mean, she's going to be guilty, right? I mean, she, you've got, it doesn't take, in federal court, it just doesn't take much to get a guilty verdict.

You think she'll be, guilty. I think she'll be found guilty. You should just leave him out there. Yeah, she'll be found guilty. Hello? I think she'll be found guilty. Really? Yeah. I mean, listen, it just doesn't take my, you, you get four or five people on the stand that say the same general thing of what you did, and then the U.S. attorney says what she did was illegal, and these people just told you that that's what she did, we're asking you, is she guilty of that? And they're all going to be like, well, if you're saying that this is what the law says, she did this, she's guilty. And then they all said, that's what she did.

Well, then she's guilty. They're all going to go, yeah, she's guilty. But that's it, it's over. Right. Doesn't matter if it's hearsay. Doesn't matter if you guys all got together. Doesn't matter if it was coach. It doesn't matter if there's no evidence.

Who is Jisling? Did you see that they just had the pilot on the stand like two days ago. Jeffrey's pilot. Yeah. And he was like him to all those people that were on it. Who, Chris Tucker was on the plane? What was it? Prince Andrew?

Is it Prince Andrew? Oh, yeah. He was on hundreds of times. But Chris Tucker was on there. There was a couple other just like random celebrities. What was it? What's the, the lawyer that was on there, too?

The lawyer, um, uh, OJ's lawyer. No, the Kardashian. Uh, dad. I died a long time ago,

man. No, no. Bro, Epstein's been flying his jet around fucking the Bahamas for the last 30 years. The Kardashian's dad represented OJ.

Yeah, no, I'm talking about Dershowett, but he died shortly after that trial. It was Dershowitz. When was that? Yeah, he's been dead. What,

when did, uh, when was the OJ trial? I don't know. No, what you keep talking about, the Cardagia? It's not him. It was Dershowitz. Oh, Dershowitz. Okay.

Yeah. I was hoping. Which was also one of, no. Which was also one of OJ's, you know, lawyer. But a lot of the thing about that is like, there's a lot of people that could have just been on the plane that could have just been like, you know, passing by. That doesn't mean anything. Like, it doesn't mean that I'm, you're a child molester if you, no. If, if, you know, if I'm hanging out with you and then suddenly, suddenly I find out you're a serial killer.

Suddenly it's like, oh, you're a serial killer too, Matt, Matt, you hang out with it. What are you talking about? I don't know what this guy does on his off time. Right. Yeah, but if you're caught flying there a couple dozen times. You want to fly to my, like Bill. Bill went there a couple, a lot of times. Bill's on that bitch like a hundred times.

You're telling me that's not suspect. Well, I mean, he's suspect in general. How about the picture of Bill wearing? Oh, yeah, Kevin Spacey. You know that motherfucker. You know it. Oh, my God. You know he was fondling little boys.

What the fuck was he doing there? They probably just hired him to crack jokes while they were there. Oh, you know. No, he was fucking that guy's. Guaranteed. Guilty. Did you see the, did you see the 60 minute interviews with the girls? Oh, yeah.

Talking about him. No, have you seen the interview with him? Right. With that lady and he's sitting there just like sweating profusely, trying to like talk himself in circles and fucking lie and discredit everything? Why would you even do an interview? Yeah. That was the biggest dumpster fire I've ever seen.

That's a bad idea. Yeah. But, um, but, uh, have you seen the picture of Clinton wearing the dress? No. The painting? You gotta pull up the painting of Bill wearing the dress. He's a painting in that mansion there. You're not going to, we're not doing the vice thing now?

No, we will, but I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to show this. This is fucking hilarious. We got to get Matt Cox to do a, a rendition of this. Like, you're, oh, you should paint this. You should repaint this. What was his name? We should, oh, fuck. Remember the thing you said to do?

What's his name? And I was like, B.M? Yeah. I was like, no, no, no, no, that's a bad. I was like, that's a matter. You should redo this, Matt. This is a real painting. This is a painting that was in Jeffrey's Epstein's mansion on Fuck Island.

No. Yes. Yes. What is he? This dude's disturbed. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. There's some fucking shit going on.

Matt, you have to recreate this painting with your face on it. I should put Danny on there. Yeah. Don't make me get creative. I'll put it up. I'll put it up on the shelf back there. but yeah I mean

so one of the things that Sean was saying he doesn't think that the Clintons are going to be named in the trial at all really yeah he doesn't even think that like she doesn't want to

rattle that cage because they're on the his the golden ticket she because there and the Clintons are saying the Clintons are close with the whole Biden administration right right

so she wants to sort of like keep them in her good graces so she doesn't want to name them or try to like if they're not cutting out the jail time you know what's funny is like if if epstein had been alive and gone to trial I heard that he had trouble go sorry go ahead

if he had gone to trial like like this chick would she would have probably gotten immunity just to testify against them oh yeah but instead he takes his life and she can't get a deal like you're going to trial no no I'll tell you about this guy and this guy and that you can't get a deal like it doesn't matter what she comes up with at this point. They need somebody. They got to get somebody. He's got to get 30 years, so they feel like they got somebody.

So they're going to put her on. I'm not saying she didn't do anything. Just saying in general, she's She could have probably got off. Yeah, because she was really only the right hand. She was the madame. Right. She's, uh, yeah, the procurer. But, um, I heard recently that Epstein had some shit wrong with him where he couldn't poop.

He had, he had something called, uh, yeah, but there was like a scientific term for it called MS something. like MS-15 or MS-13. No, they said he was scared of the MS-13 gang in the jail. Oh, is that a, is that a gang? Oh, my God. It's like the most ruthless fucking gang. Is it really?

I've never heard of it. What is MS-13? They're like the fucking, they're like the Mexican killing machine. Really? Yeah. But he was in a protective, wasn't he in sort of like a, no, I guess he wasn't in protective custody because he was in a cell with like a killer. Oh, no.

Epstein was a cell. He was scared of MS-13. I heard, so I read that Epstein had some sort of disorder where he couldn't shit And he was like fucking super stressed out because he hadn't shit in days And he couldn't shit especially because he had that fucking violent cellmate he was with He's taking pain pills probably Oh yeah probably He's all opioided up

Opioids constipate you Oh yeah I mean I'm not sure they're giving you opiates in prison unless he's buying them I'm sure he's buying something that snuck in Of course half the cameras But I don't know man I've been there sleeping on the job He died and the cameras Probably not hard to get pills in.

I don't think it's that. It's that outlandish to think that he did just kill himself. No, I think he killed himself too. It's very likely he probably killed himself. That's what's a coin flip. Yeah. Who knows? No, we're not going to figure it out.

But what about like, I mean, you know, is he going to name it? Like, the crazy thing is who is going to get named in the trial? That's going to be interesting to watch. I mean, I don't think anything, there's not going to be anything. Like, you've seen all these programs. It was like the 60 minutes and the little documentaries on her and everything else. Like, what else is going to come out? It is what it is.

Yeah, I guess it's got to be, you know, there's not going to be any, any bombshells that are going to hit because it's all out there. All you got to do is tell the story that's already being told to the jury and get the people to stand on the, you know, to get on the stand and say the same thing. Do you know what the charges are against her? There's one, there's like a handful of charges. And there's only a couple people accusing her of the procurement stuff. So I guess it doesn't really have to be a full charges. I'm sure Sean Outwood knows the charges. Yeah, there's only, there's only a handful of.

of them and that only involves a few victims. Austin, what she charged with? Can you pull up her charges? I mean, it's probably conspiracy to you know, to traffic minors, you know, or sex traffic minors or, I'm sure it's all conspiracy because there's only

one, I think one girl that said she was in on it. Like she actually was... She brought him in as like a massage therapist. She brought in her friends. And she had sex with her too. There's only one girl that said she had sex with was involved in the old thing. And they had Jeff Epstein's

his housekeeper for 15 years would talk about how he found all the fucked up toys like giant double-sided dildos like laying around. Here's what I don't understand. It's like he, you know, reminds me of it's like this guy, Marcus Schrenker. It's like you're already rich.

You're already a top tier individual. Like you're at the top of the pyramid. It's not enough. It's not enough? Never enough. You have to do something even crazy. Now I have to have a three-way dildo and with fucking 14-year-olds. Like, what are you doing, bro?

Yeah. I mean, what's, it's not enough? Money is a magnifying glass. Then you get the power and you just think you can get away with any. Right. And the first time he did. And then they did get away with it for a long time. The first time he did.

Remember, he got charged in Florida and he ended up getting what? Like a year? Nothing? Nothing? Like, in a cell where you basically just had to spend the night in the cell. You get to come and go as you want. The new charge is sex traffic and construction. Oh, I was right. Nice.

Sex trafficking of a minor, so one minor. Right. Involving minor victim dash four? Victim number four, maybe number four. That's like John Donate. So there's four victims. It was around 14 years old.

So here's the other thing. How come there's no, how come it's all sketches? How come there's no photos? Well, you're not allowed to have photos in federal prison or cameras. And in federal court, you're not allowed to have video cameras or photos. Why, though?

I don't know. Because, like, the written house, I know it was a state thing, but the written house thing was live streamed on fucking YouTube. This one, there's not even a picture. You can't, you know, you're not going on yet. You can't get a video in it. Yes, it is. It's on right now? Yeah. You can't get a federal, you can't get a camera in a federal prison either.

Like, you cannot go in and take photos. You cannot have a, a... Yeah, but you can if you get, like, the warden to sign off on it. Yeah, the warden won't. That never will. Trust me, I had American greed. Really? All of them.

Dateline was able to video me in the U.S. Marshals' custody, but not the Bureau of Prisons custody. They just, they made a policy and they decided, and that's it. No. Well, why wouldn't they? Like, why wouldn't they? Okay, the reason for that is they were doing it up until it was like in the mid-80s when Barbara Walters did an interview or a special on it was called,

and they called it Club Fed. You heard the term, club fed. That was the name of their episode for like 60 minutes or 2020 or whatever it was. I think it was 60 minutes where they were talking about how, look, you've got these guys in a camp. They're playing tennis. They're playing golf. These guys are eating shrimp. These guys are eating lobster.

And they were. It was amazing. Like going to federal prison was great. So she does this whole thing. And then it came out. They were like, these guys are being arrested. They're going here. They're eating a lobster.

They're getting to pick omelets and cheese. and extra cheese and this. And then they go off and they play golf in the morning. They go back and get counted. Then they go play tennis for two hours. Then they come back. Then they have TVs in their cell. And they were like, this is like being at club.

It's like club med. Only they called it club fed. And so sure enough, boom. Bureau of Prisons bulldoze the. No more. Yeah. It made them look bad. And they said no more cameras.

Yeah. From here on out, the meat, that's how the media is going to portray us. Boom, we're done. So yeah. Thanks, Barbara. Thanks, Barb. Wow, that's so weird, though. Like, even the courtroom, like, such a high-profile case like this.

So they're not filming this trial? No, there's not even a fucking photo of it. They're not allowed to have cameras or anything. I'm surprised somebody doesn't... I'm surprised somebody doesn't come in. Somebody didn't come in with, like, a lapel-type thing and a camera or something. Yeah. You're right.

Well, it's almost like they wanted to keep it on the DL from the get-go because it's like the written-house shit was everywhere, and you can barely find anything on the Maxwell trial. Because there's some shit They don't want you to hear Because the written house thing's probably more political More politicized More political

It's just him It ain't involved in fucking Big names With powerful names Yeah right Right You would think that would be it That's the conspiracy at least

It's a distraction It is a distraction But the lady who must draw those pictures She must be fucking quick with it Can you imagine How fast you have to draw some of those photos of her. Matt, you could do that.

They're pretty detailed. I don't know. And they're pastels and they're right there. She's got watercolor. She's got an easel. She's over the like fucking Bob Ross. How do you get that? In the courtroom.

Exactly, right? What a job that is. They definitely can't pay you enough for that. Can you find out with a like a, find out of the person that signed, you know, the person that like does the signing. Yeah, yeah. Or the typewriter?

What I wonder what it's called? Is it called like a courtroom illustrator? So what you would call it? Must be. But I was thinking the person that does like the ASL, like the American Sign Language, you know, for like the White House. The press conferences and shit. Yeah. Do you remember the one where the guy was doing it and actually couldn't sign at all?

Oh yeah. There's people that get caught fake admission all the time. Somebody was like, what's going on? Courtroom sketch artist salary. 40, 40, 40, oh, 19 to 99. That's a hell of a range. Medium salary, 50 grand. Make 50,000 bucks doing those.

I want to see a video of them doing it. it. Is there a video of it? Probably not, because if they're, if they're sketching it, there's no cameras allowed. I'm sure there is. How do you become a courtroom sketch artist? Because they did that during like the OJ trial and shit too. Yeah. They were filmed.

Why not just video it? It's so weird. Some people want to stiless. Some people want to sketch. You go to Disney World. Some people want to look at a character. We'll be putting all those courtroom sketch artists out of jobs. Soon those sketches will be NFTs

Excuse me, I'm going to be on the stand in the morning Can you sketch me? Sure, 45 bucks, no problem. Yeah, I would have paid for that. Can you have me doing like running? No, with the mic? Yeah. Can you get the judge in it?

Sure. Was, were there pictures of Charles Manson's trial? Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Remember, there were videos cameras everywhere. The girls, remember the girls were walking in at the same time wearing like the, same. His was state though, right? Not federal. Yeah, his was still California State. Okay. Wow, man. That's so fucking weird.

Jis Lane. She's being protected. Just Lane. Oh, look, here's a time lapse of it. Well, I want to see it in real time. She's, what is, what? So I guess they, I mean, they can sit there for a while, so. Well, they have to. They're in there for hours, so I guess they have time. Yeah. What a job. Yeah, I wouldn't want that job. I want to get a courtroom sketch artist in here.

We should hire a guy to do that while we do a podcast with Matt. Oh my God. That would be sick. For every episode, we have a sketch thumbnail. You need to come up with something else. You're losing. We can for sure hire somebody. People are dropping off hard right now.

This is dragging right now. Let's watch your video with your teenage felon. Make this thing small in like the corner. or something. So Vice doesn't fuck me. Well, they're probably

going to anyways. They're scaming you out of this. They're probably going to take all the revenue from this podcast.

How ironic would that be? Got you again. You want to talk shit? What's her name? Kirste. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's her name?

Claudia Kist. Claudia Kist. And you know, I've called her. I've called her and left messages. Like, hey, what's up with this?

How'd that happened? Claudia. You want to give me a call? Nothing. No. Oh, you sent her this? No.

I've called her and left messages saying, hey, I just watched this episode, the cartel kid. Today you sent this time. Yeah. And I said, which is exactly like my, the unlikely Narco, I said, I'm just wondering how that happened. I'd love for you to give me a call back and let me know what happened. Nothing. Nothing. Did you have you talked to the kids since? No. No. He doesn't return. He's not going to return my call. No. You know, what's so funny about that is like now what's going to happen is I'm doing a true crime podcast. I've got another deal. with these guys in this other production company, right? Like, I haven't signed the contract yet. We're still going back and forth. But assuming I signed the contract, right,

that his story's going to be one of those stories. Well, guess what? It could become huge. Now he's going to, you know, he'll immediately be like, hey, man, that's my story. Fuck you, bro. You didn't have a problem fucking me and vice, going behind my back on vice when it came through me

and your girl, Claudia. And now if his story ends up being something turns into a series or a movie, I'll do everything I can to fuck him, cut him out. Yeah. Like, it's like, what are you doing? You know, like, I just don't get how Hollywood does this. It's like, it's just, there's plenty out there.

Why screw everybody over? Well, it's just like we talked about before a million times. Like, like, all the people. All I wanted was an, all I wanted was a credit. You can't. Here's what it would have cost you. Okay, there, Cox's name now, and now shows up the same thing. Like the Teng,

grand. Like I was, when she said, I went from 20 to 10, I was like, yeah, yeah, that's fine. So whose name? And she'd come back and said, uh, a thousand. Do I get the, do I get the, um, the credit? Yeah, the credit. Yes, of course. Yes, you do. Give me a grand. Whose name is on the credit? We got to, oh my God. Can you go to the end and see whose names on it? I got 20 on Claudia as the executive producer. Like, who's the writer? That's what's funny. Executive producer Claudia. Could you imagine? Oh, by the way, I met that chick.

That's who I met with her with Diaz in Orlando. All right, press play. Give us some volume, too. That's him? No. Oh, wait, oh, they're showing the credits here. Executive producers. I don't know.

Eli, Holzman, Aaron said. No. Well, you got to go back a little bit. Press play. Who knows? Or go back a little bit, then press play. That's way too much, bro. Yeah, that's like.

That's Diaz. Look how fat this. kid is. You should have seen him in. Oh, that's Diaz? Yeah, he's a fat, he's a fat little fucker. All right, play it from here. I want to see where Claudia's name is. No, don't hold on. Matt, they got you on there. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Stop. Stop.

Matt. Are you fucking kidding me? You're fucking on there. No way. Go back. Go back. I swear to God. Stop it.

You got the fucking credit, man. These fuckers haven't called me. No. Go back. I didn't get my 10 grand. Oh. Are you serious? Hold on.

It's coming up. What does it say? 10 seconds. Right there. Oh my. Consulting producer. Matt. Consulting producer.

You fucking made it. I don't know a consulting producer. What is that? Oh my. Are you serious? You just got so good. You're the consultant. That's this ridiculous.

I didn't, I, I can't even return off. I can't, I don't get returned emails. I don't get calls. You have to call Claudia and fucking think her now until you're sorry. Now you look like it, you look like a dickhead right now, bro. I'm a dickhead. You're the con man consultant. She did, I, wait, first of all, it's not, it's not consultant.

First of all, it was supposed to be, I was supposed to get a, I can't believe they put you in. I can't believe you even saw that I didn't even see that because I Nobody's returned to call nothing That's nuts Where's my 10 grand Claudia? They didn't even write out Matthew

They just wrote Matt Cox Mac Cox You know why? Like they threw that in there to be like Spite you Oh I got to call Henry Hold on, keep that We're taking a picture of that hold on

Oh my Classic Get a picture of him standing next to it Jerk off Oh Oh, Matt Cox is freaking out right now. He walked up to the TV to take photos of his credit on this vice video. Unbelievable.

I'm still pissed. Not even more pissed. You should be happy. Why? You didn't even look to see if they put you in the credit. A couple of seconds ago, you said, if they just gave you the credit, it's all right. Wait, that's not even about the money. Consulting producer?

It's still a credit, Matt. I mean, it's a producer credit. Are you sure? Yes. It says a producer. It says consulting. It's a producer credit. I wrote the goddamn...

I don't want to cuss. Tell them how you feel that. I want to see if Claudia's on her. Tell them how you fucking feel. Keep going. She stole this story from me, Matt. Bro, they did. They took the story.

Like, I'm not... I didn't consult on anything. They took it. Stop. She threw you in there for good morale. She threw me in there so that I can't... Go back one. To try and make sure that I don't sue. Pause it on every frame where it shows

credits. So there's one right before this. Like literally a second before this. Executive, what is executive producer? Pause. No Claudia. You know any of these people yet? Where's Claudia? COVID compliance officers? I better fucking be in here. Are we mine in here? What does it say COVID compliance officers? Yeah, anybody's getting that credit. Oh my God. Bro, Vice has COVID compliance officers. I think you, everybody does. They would be listed in their credits.

Well, you can't assume. You get COVID when you walk out of it. That is fucking priceless. Keep going. I can't believe this. I... They ain't thrown Claudia nowhere in there. Claudia does not even get a credit.

Keep going. She got paid. Oh, trust me. Claudia got paid. Andy Miller, Recreations, Director of Photography, Christina Ortega. Keep going. Jack Renner.

Stop. Look how. fat this kid is. He kind of looks like he's related to Kim Jong. If you'd seen him in Coleman? Keep going. Yeah. Skinny. Thin, working out all the time. I'm great shape. What if she has like the biggest one at the end? Legal counsel, Matt. That's who you want to get a hold of. Kimberly Lord. Frankl Whitehead LLP, the law offices of Lincoln Bandlow.

No Claudia, bro. She don't need the credit. She got paid. What if she gave up her consulting credit for you? She didn't. Well, where's her name? Getty Images, Pond 5. That's where the real meat of this thing When came from. Catherine White.

What if she said, oh, there's more producer credits. Keep going. Yeah, executive. Nope. Catherine White's been in here a fucking dozen times already. That's it. No Claudia. Since the filming of this episode,

Sheila and Jacob have gone their separate ways. Who the hell is that? What about Matt Cox? He's over here texting away. Triggered, bro. He's texting his lawyer right now. I'm texting

Henry. What if Claudia said, you know what, look, guys, I got the story from Matt. He can take my credit. Just give me the 10 grand. We'll call it even. Maybe she's not that bad. Yeah, she sounds like a pretty good

person. Bro, she never called, bro, listen, you know, they put my name on. credit. She didn't have to do that. We're talking about, bro. I've never heard anything about this. Like, I've never heard anything about it.

And first of all, I wrote the story. I'm, I'm, I'm an executive producer. I'm not a consultant. Like that's something, that's, oh, no, all right. Bro, you got to earn your stripes. You can't just jump in. Earn my stripes. I wrote the story.

Bro, you can't just jump in. What are you talking about? You can't just be a, you can't just go from YouTube or to executive producer, okay? You got to, you got to pay your dues. This is, this is, uh, corporate media where talking about, okay? Not just some little YouTube podcast. I can't believe they fucking put you on there after all that.

I can't believe you caught that. I know. I just watched the episode. I would have never caught that, honestly. Not just that. Like, why. You got the eagle eye. Why wouldn't she?

Why wouldn't she? He goes, and they didn't pay you? Henry goes, and they didn't pay you? You got the credit. Why do you need payment? No. First of all, look, if I'm talking to you and I'm saying, look, this much money and this, you just blow me off and you give me this.

and never talk to me again. Come on, bro. That's not a deal. No, she took the cheap way out. Right, right. She didn't have to pay you. Right. She's thinking,

she copped out. We gave you this. That's going to be their excuse when your lawyer calls. Right. Well, my lawyer's not going to call. I wasn't going to call. I wasn't going to call it. I wasn't going to call because there's no money in this show and they've got it set up and

it's all bullshit and there's no way to get any money out of me anymore. And you got your credit anyway. Even if you got a portion of the money, how much are you going to get? Like, you can't hire a lawyer to get you 10 grand. like no lawyer is going to be like I'm going to fight tooth and nail and in the end I'm going to get you 10,000 well what do you get you're going to owe me 60

yeah exactly right give me 10 now I'll get you your 10 oh yeah Henry's like what the fuck that's hilarious man but that's how that's how it is though that's like we talked about before there's a production company

heads of production companies and people like Claudia are scouring YouTube for podcasts like this looking for content to sell to companies like vice or to sell to Netflix. I mean, you can't blame her. You know what I mean.

That's what they do. This is the, we're like, they're like farming for content by watching podcasts. Yeah. Oh, they are. Listen,

I've had almost multiple people, almost almost everybody, but at least 70, 80% is, I saw you on concrete. I saw you on concrete. You know, that's why when people are always like, bro,

does Danny pay you? I hope you're getting, it's like, bro, what are you talking about? The exposure that Danny gets me is, is worth anything he could have paid me. Like, I wasn't halfway halfway half.

I mean, I'm not saying I like Danny. We know. We know Danny. But I'm saying, in general, Danny did me a huge service. Huge. Whether that was his intent or not. How dare you question my intention? But it's watching both hands here.

Well, it is. But he did. For me to sit here and say, oh, I would have done it on my own. No, he irrevocably changed, altered the course of my life. Like, honestly, if I hadn't come on the podcast, very good chance right now. I'm working at, okay, maybe not McDonald's. I'm hoping I could do better.

I wouldn't mind working at Starbucks. Barnes and Noble. I think Starbucks is a hard job, bro. Like those baristas, like they got to know a lot of stuff. I'm not that sharp. I'm not going to learn anything new. I'm all filled up. Yeah.

Like, there's no new stuff coming here. But, I mean, I'm probably, I'm probably working at FedEx driving a truck or something. I mean, not because that's a bad job. I'm not saying there's a bad job. That's also a hard job. I want an easier. Let's go car salesmen. See, I can never say car salesman. You would be a great car salesman. Because my ex-wife's husband is a car salesman. Just not a truck salesman.

Whenever I joke around about it, I'm like, oh, what am I going to be? A used car salesman? She's like, hey, hey, hey. They make money. I'm like, I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad job. You could be, oh, you couldn't be a mortgage broker, could you? No, no. Oh, my God. Those guys make money. The guy who got me my mortgage, he is counting money. I'll tell you what. If he never came on the podcast, Gary Sullivan's a coming back right about now. Yeah.

Oh, Gary, Gary would have shown it had an appearance, trust me. But you took the ball and fucking ran with it like no one else. I'm trying. Hey, I have a question.

What about your deal with the mortgage broker when you called me? You're like, he's charging this much. I'm like, call him back. Say this. Yeah. That's too much. That's this.

Plus, ask him about the yield spread. Ask him about. Oh, yeah. I'm calling right now. Oh, when I was, yeah, I was doing my mortgage broker.

I didn't know. I've never dealt with a, I've only dealt with a bank from my previous mortgage. I just went straight to the bank. This was the first time I went through a broker. Right. So I was seeing all these things.

I didn't know what the fuck I was looking at. All these terms I've never heard of, ever, all this stuff. I'm calling Matt every day. Like, what the fuck does this mean? What the fuck does this mean? This guy's scamming me. This guy's squeezing me. Dude, this mortgage broker was so sick of me by the time we were done with his loan.

Now I'm calling. I'm a God, bro. He did not know. He got you. He did get you a deal, though. I mean, he watched your episode, too, and he's a huge fan of yours. Go figure. Oh, man.

Yeah, mortgage brokers. That guy is making a killing doing mortgages. He makes like, he makes like 10 to 20K a mortgage. That's crazy. And he's banging out a couple of them a month. Is it the Polack? No, that guy's making way more than that. That guy's making millions of dollars.

That guy sells the most like high-end houses in town. Yeah. He's like, you could definitely sue. Yeah, let's sue him. It's funny he says this because two or a week ago, he told me. What the fuck is Henry? Is that your agent?

No, no, he's the guy. He's a consultant. No. No, he's the, he's a director producer and he's the one with the, Oh, the Boziac. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

I'll show you that when we're done. It's good. Let's just show it to everybody. No, what are you doing? See, Henry, the fact that I'm mentioning that right now. That's so weird. The whole Hollywood thing is so like hush, hush, it's zipped up.

It's top. What, do you remember when I told you about that? Remember the first 60 days or first 30 days that thing? Remember that? First 48? No, no. There's a show called like, oh, 90 days in. 60 days in?

Yeah. Or it might be 90. Right. So, you know, the main guy on there, the black guy is he's like the main guy on the main guy on the whole show, right? He's actually a police, it used to be a police officer. And so he contacted me and said, look, the NBC, or whoever it was, is thinking about doing a show and I've everybody's telling me you should be my co-host are you interested I mentioned the podcast one time like three months six months ago whatever after I mentioned it somebody

screenshoted the whole thing and sent it to him and he called or he's text me he's like bro did you mention me on a podcast or the thing and I was like yeah why you didn't tell me it was a secret he's like yeah I wish you shouldn't have done that bro it's like those people are so fucking weird man but but he's not even like he's just a I mean he's just like a guy on the show what do you have to hide, what do you care? He's like, yeah, that's not a for sure thing. I said, I didn't say it was a for sure thing. Yeah. Well, you know, they don't want this. And I was like, okay, well, then you should

have said that. Well, you should know. What do you mean I should know? That's the thing. So, so, so like the establishment, Hollywood type people, they don't, they don't want to be mixed in. Yeah, but I don't get it. Like, what's, if there's a deal happening and it falls through, it falls through. Like, they don't want it to fall through. Well, I mean, but me saying it doesn't mean it's going to fall through. If it was real, if it was

for real, it was going to happen one way or the other. That's the way I feel, you know? It's the same thing I get this all the time, where I get these guys are like, you got to sign an exclusive agreement with us today. Why? Well, we don't want you out there doing this.

Okay, well, if it doesn't cover what we're doing, then why do you not want me talking about other things? Well, we only want you dealing with us. Well, wait a minute, I've written other stories. Well, yeah, but we only, it's like, stop, stop, bro. Like any publicity I get for me is only going to spill over to you. So you're saying you want exclusivity, which limits your publicity. Where I'm saying, you're saying, no, but it makes ours more valuable.

And I'm saying, I make you more money by being out here giving you more exposure. There's two different argument. Some people will say, no, you're right. That is the better way. Like, there's the argument, there's people on both sides of that same argument. It's just people get crazy. It's just greed, right? It's just all it is just greed.

It's just like, we want to be the extraordinary. We want to be the exclusive. You want to own. Like Harvey Weinstein is like, if anybody talks about your story, we don't want to. Yeah. Look how things ended up with him. He made some good decisions. Yeah.

Did you ever see that video of him? Just like Kevin Spacey. Did you ever see that video of him talking with that girl? No. There's a video of him talking where she actually came in and like videoed. Or she either she had a video or there was a video on and he's talking to her. So comes off so creepy. I mean, he's all like, so, this is going to be a good deal for you.

You know, right? And she's like, yeah, no, I appreciate her. He's like, yeah. Really? Oh, it's, it's horrible. Like, look up your address on public records, creepy? Not that creepy. That's, that's on, that's, that's, that's over the line.

Is this video? Is this video on YouTube? Over the line. That was super creepy, by the way. You don't do that. Stop with the, with the, you don't do that. You don't look up some girls' address on fucking, uh, property appraiser website, and show up at her house.

She could be dead. Yeah, I mean, that's the only, I was going to say. The only out you got is she could have. Something bad could happen to her. I knew she do. I knew nothing bad. I'm not going to lie to you. I mean, I didn't think she was, she was laying in a puddle of urine.

She couldn't move her anything. And your ex-wife talked to you up to it. Yeah. I mean, I, you know. Find that video of Harvey Weinstein. I want to see that now. It was a part of a documentary, but it may just be on here. It might be just.

What would you search? What would you type in the search? Harvey Weinstein interview girl. Is he interviewing her? No. So she came to, she was trying to sell something to him. I don't know exactly what, like pitch some kind of product or something to him. And he's in his office, like, or maybe they're at like a conference table or something like it.

And he's all leaning in and he's breathing hard. And he's like, just type in like Harvey wants to be meeting with girl security footage? It wasn't, like I think one of the two of them was videoing it. I think she may have been videoing. Oh, really? Yeah. It's, listen, creepy. Of course, you can see the guy.

I know he's creepy. But it was so over the thought. It's like, what? Like, is this working for you, Harvey? I mean, why don't you just offer money? That looks like your girl, bro. I was just going to say it. That looks like her.

Is this it? No. Wait. Wait till they go to the footage. Yeah, this may be it. Oh, yeah, she's pitching something. Oh, so she does. She puts a full screen this, Austin.

Locks the door. He did what? Rape her a few hours later. She's finer than frog hair right there. How are you? Okay. What do you do? Oh, boy.

Is it all right if I flirt with you? So what do you want anyway, he says? He's all coked up. Why is she leaning in so much? Right. She's playing into that. Yeah, she is. Well, I was rubbing his fly.

I was rubbing his leg. Yeah, I saw this was just the tape. And this isn't the one I saw. Dude, I mean, it's just human nature. Yeah, they're both trying to play each other. They're both trying to play each other. She's trying to get money, and he's fucking a horny old guy with a lot of money. Oh, this is the part where he's...

Look. That's a little high. I mean... You see what? Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, he's creepy as fuck. Like, you're in a business. She's trying to keep it.

Yeah. Yeah, she don't want to lose him. Right. I mean, he's a, she's a, he's a cash cow, right? Yeah, I mean, she met him for a drink afterwards. And now she says that, that she, he raped her after they had drinks together. So they both got drunk and then he raped her. That's probably true.

I mean, I don't think you have. I'm just wondering, I almost think it sounds like you're justified. I mean, I'm not, I'm just saying. She had two drinks. I mean, what do you mean, he raped her? Like, did she, I mean, she had sex with him, and then she regretted it really bad the next day? And she got the fucking bag. What?

I don't know. I didn't see. I didn't see this. What I saw was the whole video. But she's claiming that he raped her. This is a cut up version where she's doing it. They show the last part where he's, you know, and he's all leaning in touching her. I would love to see the YouTube comments in this fucking thing.

But the YouTube comments are a fucking blast on this video. No, no, no, that's fine. The thing has four million plus views. Let's read the top. YouTube comment. Fuck it. Yeah. Oh, they're turned off. No. They were too good. When they get too good, they shut them off. No.

I want to see the comments, God damn it. She walked herself right into that. I'm not saying she got herself. I don't know if she got raped or not, but... Take me off this podcast. I can't be associated with these comment. What do you mean? She walked herself right into that. She did. That rape? She walked herself right into that rape.

Yeah, she said she got raped, but who knows? knows the truth, you know? I mean, it's not, I'm not saying it's good to be raped. I mean, Harvey's got quite, let me get this straight. Rape's not good, okay? I've said this before. But you don't know what's the truth is. You know what the truth is. You know what the truth is. But after two drinks, it's questionable. You had two drinks. What I'm saying is there are cases where girls have claimed rape that they've been raped when they were blackout drunk and they did, they, they were both blackout drunk. There's, there's cases where the girl wasn't raped at all. She simply said it so that she could sue.

Right. Did you ever see the one at the school? Would you see the one at the school? No. Where the girl says that the guy raped her on school premises, and then her parents sued the school, and then the guy, like, he went to trial and lost, and he went to prison for, like, 10 years.

Then he gets out after, uses his, loses his college scholarship, everything, gets out after, like, 10 years of going to state prison as a rapist. State prison. Gets out, and the girl hits him up on Facebook and starts talking to him, And then admits on Facebook that she lied, on Messenger, she's like, well, I mean, yeah, I'm sorry about these. Why did you say all that? You know, that's not true. And she says, I mean, you have to understand, we sued the school.

Like, we got, my parents who just got to sue the school and we made like $2 million or whatever it was. Was she going to break him off at all? No, no. Then he realizes she's crazy that she even did. So he invites her to it like his house because she's trying to hook up with him. No. Oh, yeah. He videotapes the whole thing.

This is the whole thing. Really? This is like a serial podcast. This was like on 20-20 or 60 minutes or something like that. And then he invites her, he gets her on tape recording it. And then they eventually get his whole record expunged. And then some college, the college, some college that, some college gave him a tryout because he had lost his real college. Too late now.

Ten years later, but. And you know what happened to her? No, what happened to her? That was my next question. Nothing. Wow. They didn't try to get the money back at least or something. Stop it.

No, I mean, they didn't charge. Like, to me, she needs to go do fucking 10 years. How much did they pay this guy? How much did the federal... They probably gave him nothing. Oh, I don't know any idea. I mean, he could pull the... How hard is it to find?

This was on 16... This was on CNN, too. I remember it was in prison and we saw it on CNN. That's how I know about it. The government does pay people who are wrongly convicted. There's people that get off five or 10 years. There's people who get off... off who who get who who basically

get proven you know where it's like unequivocally proven that they were put in in jail falsely accused yeah falsely accused and they get out and then they get millions of dollars from the government but they have to fight tooth and nail oh yeah to get that money a lot of times and you have to get proven that he did his time and then exposed a situation right that's a difference in

right after he did his time but then again you get let out because you also have to think how does he sue how does he sue the state when the state is going to say he got fucked We believed. Right. We believed her. Like, you can't really, how do you sue us when this is what she said? We simply presented what she said to the jury.

The jury made that decision. But she should get some perjury or something, right? I don't know. Can Austin find it? I'm telling you. Austin can find anything. Yeah, Austin, it's, he was, basically, it's a, you could put like a, he's a college athlete. Yeah, college athlete.

Falsely accused of rape. Falsely. Right, that's it. Ten years. Yeah. His record was expunged. Yeah. And I'll bet you, listen, there were videos on it and everything. It's on 20, on CNN. Don't do it, bro. Don't do it.

Why? What is it? What is it? Assultine. Oh, what are you doing? Give it a big one. Don't. Oh, my God. Are you insane? Woo! One more.

What is it called? Let me see. That can't be legal. Oh, yeah, it's legal. Weightlifters using shit. Athletes. TikTok people use it YouTuber

Oh my Are you You Yeah Bro We're from Florida over here No, it's bad man It's bad

My heart rate just increased Fucking 120 fold What is it Smelling salt It's just salt It's just salt Oh okay Crazy ass salt

Put this on some chicken Do you find it? You got a close your eyes. It burns your eyes. I want one more. College athlete three times more likely. No, that's not. That's legal crack.

Woman who made false one year. This chick didn't get anything. Athletic falsely accused. We're never going to find it. How long it was 10 years? There's probably 10 years ago. You know what you could put? Wait, wait, wait, wait, what about this?

Put, you put college athletes. No, just athlete. Get rid of loose scholarship, put 10 years for false rate. 10 years, college athlete, 10 years for false rape claim. I don't know that he got 10 years. You might have got 15 or 60. There we go. Football star exonerated.

Exonerated that day. 10 years, huh? I think it said, we need to get this guy on here, bro. God, I was just kind of guessing at the 10 years. Who are you? That was a great, yeah, was a great fucking guess, Matt Cox. And he went to state prison, too, which is way worse than the feds. Of course.

Of course. Is this him? Wow. Turn it up a little bit? Oh, he spent five years? Are we sure? Five years on probation. Huh?

In prison and five in probation, it said. 16. Uh. Damn, they fucked his home. Well, I played for Long Beach Polly, bro. He played for the same school Juju did. No, this isn't the, I don't think this is the same guy. But, I mean, because the girl.

Was she white? I don't know. Falsely accused her? Right. California Innocence. Yeah, I've heard of that California Innocence Project. Yeah, no, this is not the right guy because this guy, it happened. It's the same exact story, Matt.

No, but this, I remember it happened, this happened like on school property because she talked about suing the school. Oh. Yeah. So, and she admitted to it on Facebook. So, like, she contacted him on, maybe you should put Facebook in there in the search. Bro, I mean, how often do you think this shit happens? Probably a lot. A lot.

Probably a lot more. They tried to do it to my man Big Ben. Big Ben Rafflesberger, yeah. But, I mean, that's different when you got money, too. Can you put Facebook in the search? Put the girl admits it or something. Yeah, bro. I mean, that's the thing.

It happens a lot. It's got to be, you know, it's human fucking nature. Like girls like that girl, just like the girl who was talking to Harvey Weinstein, who's looking to sell her business to him. You know, he's a powerful, rich guy or whatever. He's a old pervert, right? she's playing into it as far as she can without going too far. Like obviously she doesn't want the guy to fucking finger-banger right there.

Well, look, the guy was rubbing her shoulder and slipped his hand up her dress. She said that's a little high. And then she met him for drinks after. Right. And then she didn't have to go there after. She knew what the fuck he was doing. That's my point. And then, I mean, that's, I, I, it's not, it's not out of the realms of possibility.

Yeah, it's not okay. But she had some chances to get out of that. Yeah, yeah. No, no, she was definitely taking a risk. But the rape, like, I'm wondering myself. She weighed the risk reward. And it didn't pay out. It's just like, it's just like the Marilyn Manson thing.

It's just like the Marilyn Manson thing. Marilyn Manson's ex-girlfriend came out saying that he did all this weird, sick and twisted, demented shit sexually to her. But you're getting involved in a sexual relationship with this guy. Right, right. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? Okay. I'll give you that.

To a bed of roses. Right, I'll give you that. Like this, look at this guy. This is, and, you know, yeah, come on. I mean, and then it's, you know, it's like a progressive thing. Suddenly it's, and he's saying, well, let's get a vibrator. Okay. Next thing.

Let's let you know. He's handcuffing you, leaving you in a trunk for fucking two days. Yeah. Yeah, it got a little weird. Yeah, you made some bad decisions, and the next day you changed your mind. That doesn't mean you can fucking put this guy in prison for 10 years. Not saying that's the case all the time, but I'm sure it's a lot of time. Anything?

Nothing? Facebook, nothing? It's okay. Yeah. Still. But he went to the same school Juju did, bro. That's crazy.

Same high school and he was going to go to the USC. That's nuts. What about this? What about this? Wait, wait, Austin. Exonerated

exonerated rapist gets, he gets a tryout. No, he got a tryout to a university, or football. tryout. Football, what do you call it when you get the...

Try out? So he gets a football try out. Try that. He's exonerated rapist gets football tryout. Like that's got to narrow it down pretty good. Where did you see this? On TV? I saw it on TV, but even since then, I'd seen it again somewhere. And it was definitely because I definitely remember

because the girl, they sued the school. Like it happened on school premises, and the girl sued the school. was the big thing was she wanted she set it up she knew she knew if i'm raped on the school premises we'll be able to sue on the school it has to be at the school right so true you know and she knew that so she you know and the fact that this guy ended up going to he went ended up going to going to prison like she was like well i mean yeah but we got to see the schools like like she was he was even saying like she she she had no idea what she done to me like she was acting like

yeah i don't know i'm sorry about that Like, do you want to hook up? You want maybe we could date? All the articles are that same exact guy. Is it? Because he got to, they said he got a trial with the Seattle Seahawks. Oh, really?

So maybe. It's got to be him. Okay, okay, well, somehow the girl sued. I remember that was a big part of it. Wow. Wow. Somehow I know that she's. Yeah, it's him.

Because look, look, the girl's name is Winetta Gibson. School District settled the lawsuit by paying Wineta, and Wanda, 1.5 million. 1.5 million. So I knew it had something to do with the school. So I wonder if the school. Juanetta refused to repeat her story in court that exonerated Brian. Thankfully, the video did that work for her.

Oh, yeah, because he videoed her telling him. Is the video available? The video's got to be out there. Because he sneaks, he gets video of her saying. And it says he didn't press charges on her. Oh, yeah, it's on here. Juanetta Gibson Confession Video, type that in. Oh, my God.

He didn't press charges? It says, why didn't Brian Banks press charges? Oh, no, no. She's got to. I'm sorry. She's got to go. Oh, she's got to go. No, she's got to go.

I'm pressing charges. Oh, no, I press charges. I mean, and I'm typically the guy, be like, hey, look, you know, I get it. What, you know, it was a long time ago. Like, I'll let things go. You don't send me to prison for being a rapist. Make 1.5 million. It does.

Oh, no, no. There's another video that says school district sues Brian Banks accuser. Nice. Fast forward. Let's find the video. Just keep going. Just like, just hover over it. There you go.

There's the video. Yeah, right there. It's coming. You know Snoop Dog? You know Snoop Dog? You know Snoop Dog coaches that football team? He's got to charge up, like a Tesla. So, let me ask you this.

Is he a snitch now? He's a lawyer. It's his job. No, no. The guy. What guy? The guy who got accused. Is he a snitch?

Big Herk would say he is. What did she say? She said this shit in a lawyer's office. This lady is... Yeah, but they're... For some reason, I thought he videoed it, but I guess not. But they did hide the video. Cheching.

He must have been fucking... He must have been ready to jump out the window, and she said that. Oh, yeah, he's fucking... He's happy, bro. Oh, yeah, bro. He's been accused of being a fucking rapist. He's been five years in jail as a rapist. And had to register as a sex offender.

He was probably just so happy. that it was all over. Yeah. Let's see what happened. Has been spent on Gucci. No shit. She's already broke by the time she gave the interview.

She blew the 1.5 in five years. It said, fuck it. I lied. She took a bus. She was already broke. I told you. God. Look at them. Playing for the Hawks. The dirty birds.

He actually played. That's sick. That's sick. Oh, my God. What an insane fucking. story. That is crazy. That's nuts. People are fucked up, man. Right? Like, how that

chick, like, she's like, okay with it. Like, she's seen... I mean, it could have been way worse, bro. He could have gotten way worse than five years. Like, it could have been so much worse. I wonder how many people have been, like, got life or got way longer. Could you imagine... How many people how many people that are in prison

for, like, decades or life are innocent, I wonder? Oh, tons. It's got to be a huge percentage. I doubt it's I mean I doubt it's probably even 1% But it's still a lot It doesn't matter

That's a lot Like if it's you If it's 1% It's a lot Yeah let me ask you this You're part of the 1% How many people they get the death penalty? How many people to get the death penalty

That actually get X do you imagine getting Could you first of all A lot of people Could you imagine being accused of rape And you didn't do anything? Like how do you bounce back What about the story of those four black kids In New York from a long time ago

got accused of raping and I think killing that girl and a couple of them ended up getting like executed in prison and shit and then like years and years later they all got found innocent like the Brooklyn 5 or the Brooklyn 4 they did a Netflix documentary on it and everything four black kids got accused of raping some girl they all went to prison for like life how do they find out that they were innocent

I don't remember you have to look it up it's it's like one of the biggest case of that they did a Netflix movie and everything that's the crazy thing this guy Bjorn that comes on the podcast he's a lawyer and he deals with a lot of people who get the death penalty and he there's a not just one or one or two of them. There's a lot. There's a handful of people, I think, every year that get exonerated that are on death row.

But for all those people, how many didn't get exonerated? And got get electrocuted, right? Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's the amount of people on death row that are innocent is crazy. Yeah, read this one. I think, see if those guys got executed or died in prison or something. Yeah, the jogger. And they just pinned like these four young black kids.

on it. Or five of them, actually, I think. Round up the usual suspects? Five Latinos. Convicted. Five males. Keep going.

Charges, convictions. Hold on. Go back up a little bit. I light it down. The verdict on the side here and convictions. Serve it, good. Click serving time over there on the left.

Keep going up. Well, we mean to me. Number nine. Number nine. If we lived in China, Matt Cox would have been executed years ago. It's true. Fraud is the death penalty in China.

Maybe they didn't get the death penalty. Maybe they got out. And I don't care if they got six months. Yeah. For rape, that for a rape you didn't commit? That is, that is the most,

that is the, to me, I think, the most sound argument against the death penalty is how much they fuck out. Yeah, they were juveniles. It's how much they fuck it. it up. Like, of course, if you did that

something, if you fucking raped and killed somebody's kid or anybody, for that matter, you, the death penalty, you should definitely get the death penalty. Like, kill that motherfucker. But the problem is, they get it wrong so much, so often. That's crazy, man.

There's a Netflix movie on it or something. Bummer. Bummer, bro. Bummer. Imagine you're just fucking walking down to hate in life, bro. And suddenly they grab you, the cops like,

oh, you're, we got you. We got you for what? And the lady says, yeah, that's him. Oh, yeah, and you, can you imagine, you go to trial and she's sitting there pointing, nope, that I'll never forget that man's face when he, how did I get here? Like what?

I was walking my dog. Yeah. Have a dog. You ever seen the Khalif Browder story? No. Who's that? That young kid that, they said he stole something because he had a backpack on and he ended up going to Rikers for a bunch of years and they got security footage and like just

all the inmates jumping and beating him and he finally ended up getting proved innocent got out and he was so fucked up that he ended to hanging himself in his house. People on the street were still fucking with him when he got out and but their security footage of him in Rikers were like and what was he convicted of? Like theft, small arm theft or something. Somebody stole a backpack and he had a backpack on and they locked him up through weight of key. God, there's a huge...

Like, Jay-Z did his movie and shit. I always love it when the cops are like, well, you know, the tire prints, you know, match. Like, tired... They made 40,000 of these tires. He had the same boot on. What are you talking about? He had the same Nike Air Force is on.

Like, I'm sorry, there's a hundred thousand of them. They sold a billion last year. Who's the guy that we talked about? Who's the prosecutor who was in the case, the California case? Oh, Dershowitz? No, no. We did an episode about a...

Oh, um, Robert Mueller. Mueller. That's the thing. There's guys like Robert Mueller, who their only motivation in life is just to put people in prison just to get ahead. And they're good at it. Yeah, they're good at doing that.

And they just want to climb the ladder. And then these people become the victims of it, bro. God, that's so fucked. Oh, this is thoroughly depressing. There really is. Yeah, we got to turn it around. At least we're not in China, though. why you keep going back with the China?

We had a whole China. We talked about China last time. We did. We did. I read the comments on that. They were funny as fuck. Were there? Yeah.

Some people were like, oh my God, I didn't believe Matt knew so much about China. Oh, what are you talking about? Other people were saying, saying stuff like, like,

this guy doesn't know enough to speak intelligently on the subject. They're probably talking about me. No, me. The guy was talking about me is like, you know, honestly, I think he was saying both of us. Like, these guys don't know enough

to be talking about. about this, but there were other people who were saying, absolutely China's taking over. They were going nuts. The comments were made. I love the fucking comment. Some people that come on here, they get like really,

really upset about the comments. You know, like, they'll be like, I don't know, I don't know if I can do this emotionally. I read your comments. Do you know who, do you know who Wes Watson is? I don't know.

Yeah. Sounds for you. Huh? You talked about them before. Yeah. So I did a, I did a, I did just, it was,

there was a reactionary video to West Watson. And I did one to Big Herk too. This is funny. So remember I go to, I go to, so the Big Herk one, I went to California, met Big Herk, was interviewed on Big Hurts channel. And on his channel, you know, when we get to the point where I get arrested, I'm like, right, I got arrested. And so, you know, my Laura comes to me and she's like, look, you're only choices to cooperate because otherwise you're getting like, you know, whatever it was, 30 years or 40 years or something. And I was like, and he's like, the look on his face is like, I can't believe he said that.

I said, right. So I looked at him and I went, I said, so he, I forget how it came out, but I said, so I basically tried to tell on everybody I can think of. So he just didn't work. And he went. He starts sweating. Oh, he got all. He was like, what, what?

I said, yeah, bro, like I told him on everybody. It just didn't work. So I ended up pleading guilty. I got 26 years. You, you, you, you, you snitch on him of him of him? I'm like, yeah. yeah yeah who who bro everybody I can think of man I just didn't happen I found people to snitch I was like try it I said I had to go to prison

and find the guy you know you know that so I go through the whole thing he's I mean listen his video and when it after a year had gotten 38,000 views on that on that I a year later guys are still fucking with me in the comment saying bro Cox you have to do a reactionary video to that video so I do a reactionary video to the to his video my video got like it's like 40, I think you got, I don't know where it is now, but it was at one, like, it was at 45,000, like my reactionary video to your video, then his video shot from 38 started going up. It went to like 42, 40, I don't know where mine is now. Did he call you back and thank you?

No, see, no, we'll never talk again. Really? The only reason I did it is. Really? He took it that seriously. Oh, yeah. No, listen, I only reason I even did it is because guys, a bunch of, got a bunch of comments, because I was just going to leave it alone.

I got a bunch of comments that said, hey, he just did another video where, he talks about, yeah, man, this white collar dude came on here. He lied to get on the program. That's a fucking lie. Like, I didn't lie to get on your program. I even addressed it to him saying, hey, you know my story, right? Like, I'm not your normal guy that you have in your program. Have you, he goes, no, bro.

He said, I've seen your stuff on that concrete thing. I've seen it. I've researched your stuff. I know your story, bro. Like, I haven't seen every story, but I've seen your interviews. And I thought, he said, so no, I want you on the podcast. I thought, oh, I'm good. He didn't watch him.

He obviously didn't watch. He caught a couple clips to you being a con man. Yes. Exactly. So all your episode had two million views. That's what he's right. Yeah. So then he did, then in the middle of it, he realizes it, oh, shit.

And his big thing is I'll never have a sex offender or I'll never have a or a snitch. And then he's got me. So now he's going around saying, oh, he lied to get on the, no, no, don't do that. Like, you don't like me. That's fine. Don't, don't lie about what happened. So, and because guys kept saying this, like you got to react. I was like, go fine.

I'll do a video. I did a video. It would did great. So then I did one of West Watson. Who's Wes Watson? Wes Watson is a guy who got out of prison. He actually had done Big Hertz Channel. And he's a white guy.

He was like a white supremacist that's changed his ways. Now he's a motivational speaker. He's insane. If you watch these, like if you watch like the best of West Watson, it's, you should do it. You should pull it up. You're going to be like, oh my God. This guy's my worst nightmare. He's being in prison with this guy, he's the kind of guy that you.

just watching him gives me anxiety because these guys exist. So I do a video, I do a video kind of react, kind of, not, kind of mocking him. But just mocking like how ridiculously over animated he is. He's like a cartoon character.

He's like, you know, he's like, when I hit the fucking yard, I fucking, I hoop that shit and I go in and I go straight to the shot collar, I say, I'm a soldier, and I fucking pull out my paperwork. You know, hooping, stick in your ass. So he pulls his, he's like,

he carries. carries his passport or his paperwork with him everywhere in his ass. Like, to me, I'm sorry. You can find it on the computer, bud. You don't have to carry it. I find I have an issue with this.

But he talks about like he's proud of it. Like he's carrying around in his prison purse. It's insane. And he starts talking. It's so, it's crazy. Oh, we got to get this fucker on. He's terrifying. This guy, this is my worst nightmare.

Listen. Oh, this is like a montage of him? Yeah. This is good. You got it like full and then him in the corner? This guy's all natural. No, this has juice the fuck up, bro. He's on salt right before every video. Wait, you got to turn it up.

You got to turn it up. He can sharpen in his piece how you just talked to him. He probably in room sharpened a piece. I just got to fuck with a motherfucker. You better be making a motherfucker fucking machine good. It's not something. This goes for like an hour. Yeah, this is, there's multiple parts.

Have you meant? His veins... No, I can't be in the room with him. His veins are like garden hoses. He looks like a liver king. For real. Never shit on somebody's fucking... So you met with this guy?

No. Oh, okay. I just did a reaction video to this. Oh, my God. And guys are going nuts in the comment. I have 95% negative... No. 98% negative comments.

I've never had so many horrible comments about just like... And I wasn't like saying he's a piece of shit. No, I'm just saying he's insane. Like this guy's my worst nightmare. He's crazy. People are mad at you for talking about...

They're mad at me for even saying like, I make the comment like I'm like, the guy's like a cartoon character. I mean, he can't really behave like this in real world. Like I'm just in general. And I'm not saying fuck his message. He's a... I don't say anything like that. Guys are going...

nuts on me. Really? Did he like a cold following? Just a soft-ass piece of shit? Because there are guys just like him coming. Is he a lot of followers? Yeah. He's probably got like 400.

I think, I want to say he's got like maybe 400,000. Oh, fuck. Wow. He's, he's. How could he not? He's selling it. He's selling it. Yeah, he's, oh, I'm sure he's making bank.

He's, he's been on YouTube since 2000. I want to say 12. And see, he got out and Big Herc interviewed him. And then it was, such a good interview that Watson goes and starts his own channel. When I was with Big Hurt being interviewed, I said, yeah, you interviewed

West Watson. I said, that dude's my worst nightmare. He says to me, Big Hurd goes, yeah, well, don't believe everything that all that he's talked about, because he ain't all that? I mean, you know what I'm saying. This is him, 39,000 390,000 subscribers. So he gets, you can tell there's a beef there.

And he says, and then Big Herc at one point tells me, yeah, a lot of these guys, you know, like you give them a shot, You put them on the, on the, you put them on the board, and then they take off, and then, like, they won't even return your phone calls. So he's just mad. And I was sitting there like, he's petty. Like, calm down, bro. He's maddy.

He blew up bigger than him from this interview. Right. And he was, yeah, all, you know, upset about it. So, but, yeah, he's, you know, listen, if you read those comments. Really? It's bad. How's Big Herk doing? Big Hurk's video?

You know, I don't, like. Can we see Big, can you pull up the Big Hurk, Matt Cox? I want to see. Oh, my God. I'm picturing him like the guy looks like. I'm picturing him like the guy from the green mile Like a big white fat white guy Yes

No black guy Oh he's black? Yeah Oh I thought he was white Oh yeah Is that it man? Yes Doing whatever it takes to get time off my sentence Oh god pull the comments up on that one

Oh bro it's they're hilarious Loll Herk better calm down before Matt Remortgages his house Oh listen On his guys Oh my God. Don't get heated when someone exposed it.

Matt, they don't like you. They do like me. That's what kept it real. It is what it is. Yeah. 54,000 on my channel, that Herc reaction has 54,000 in two months. Wow.

Keep scrolling down. Yeah, bro, they're hilarious. There's some hilarious. I mean, most of them, I'm sure, basically I'm just a piece of garbage, but. Matt never hit his true nature. Yeah. What is that?

Something Matt, Matt for staying cool, calm, and collective. I commend Matt for staying cool, calm, and collective during the entire interview. Yeah, brother. He's loser. He gets really upset. Keep going. At one point, I even turned to the...

At one point, I even turned to the camera and I go, this is not a good interview for me. I go, this is a bad interview. You said that on the interview? This isn't going to be good for me? He starts talking about Ted. He starts giving... There's no honor amongst thieves. Let's not pretend like there is.

I respect this dude. for keeping it real. They do. Listen, you know he didn't expect that. No, no. He expected the opposite of that. Right, right.

He's definitely upset about that. And these are weird. People get upset about just like a conflicting ideas. Like they get so upset. Yeah, they really, almost all these comments are sticking up for you. I haven't seen one bad one. I mean, every once in a while,

there's a this guy's that fuck, Cox, he's a pieces, you do, do, do you. Like, could you imagine just like an idea rattling you that much? Look at this one. Herk would have never gotten aggressive if he'd known Matt Cox had a fine arts degree. Yes!

They're fucking sticking up for you. I love it. Oh, that's amazing. He literally asked him, can I trust you? He literally said no. I said no. And then said, told him anyway.

Yeah. That's Ron Wilson. When Ron Wilson says to me, he's like, he looked at me and he goes, just where I was walking around the guy that I fucking snitched on. Yeah, the old guy, right?

Ponzi scheme. Yeah. Yeah, he literally looked at me. He goes, can I trust you? and I go, probably not. And he goes, good answer.

Well, here's, here's what happened. And she started telling me, I'm like, I told you no. Did you get time off for that guy? Six years. Oh my God. Yeah. No, I'm sorry, five years.

And that guy died in prison, right? No. No, I didn't kill. The guy got, he already had 19 and a half years. And he got six more months. That's it. And I got six years off. No, five years.

Sorry, I said six. That's because I got seven and five. Okay. So for people that haven't heard that tell that part. Just tell that little story real quick. I mean, that little story is that... You met him in prison? I met this guy in prison.

I'm like, I just got my sentence reduced for doing an ethics and fraud course, right? Like, I got seven years off. Like, just it was a miracle I got there. That was only because of Amadeo, the guy that, the lawyer. Yeah. So I had just gotten seven years off. I got back. And Ron Wilson is a guy who stole $57 million in...

He ran a $57 million dollar Ponzi scheme. Like, he stole $57 million from pension funds, churches. I mean, this guy was vicious. vicious. And it's funny about him too, because one minute he would be in tears about what he'd done. And other times, he'd brag about it. Like, it was weird. But I liked him. It was a decent, I mean, he was not a decent guy. But in prison, he was a funny guy. He was a cool guy to hang out with a very smart guy. We used to walk around. And, you know, he said, oh, con man. I'm a con man. And we're all walking around. Now I'm an old con man. But we're walking around. And he kept saying he was cooperating against other people that had helped him run the Ponzi scheme.

So he's cooperating against them, and he's saying to me, telling me little bits and pieces about how he's cooperating. He's like, yeah, but they're not going to cut my sentence for my cooperation. I know they won't. They're going to fuck me. And I was like, why do you keep saying that? And he's like, well, because they think I've hidden Ponzi scheme money. Because he actually literally dug up like six or seven million dollars and gave it to him. I go, well, you gave them all the Ponzi.

And he told me that. I said, you gave them all the money, so don't worry about it. They'd have to not give you something. They would have to prove that you've hidden something. They're not going to be able to do that. so and this went on for like months he's always bitching about it and so one day i said man what he wanted to tell you he is yeah and i i genuinely thought he did give them all the money like i'm not working i'm just like one day i go bro you keep mentioning that and i said you know i said i'm telling

you if they don't give you something we'll have frank amadeo file a a rule third file a uh a 2255 and we'll get you the time off he can do that he just did it for me yeah and he goes can i trust you I remember we were walking around the guy And I stopped and I went I go probably not And he goes He was all right He said well

I actually did hide some money He said I gave a I gave like I don't know He said 150 And you know Some other some gold

And some stuff And some other stuff To my wife to hold My fear is that now That she knows that I had a mistress And we're getting divorced Just out of spite

She's gonna tell the FBI Or Sarah Secret Service Because that was a secret service was his case over his case. He's going to tell him. And I went, well, she's already told them she didn't, doesn't have any money, right? And he goes, right.

I said, right. So if she does that, she opens herself up to, to a charge. She didn't have any charge right now. And he goes, she's pretty spiteful. She'll do it. I said, well, she hadn't done it yet. You've been locked up over a year. I'll be right back.

You sprint. I've got to go to the bathroom. This is what bothers me. And this is what's the, you know what bothers me? So he, then, look, as we're walking, he, then tells me he also gave his brother some money. Not much like 30 or 40,000 like just

you know, not say you guy gave him some money to hold too. I was like oh and I sat there and we're talking and I'm thinking to myself is that enough? Like did he just tell me enough to get my sentence reduced and I thought yeah no. I've got like seven, eight years. I still had nine years to go. That's cooking in his head. He's listening to the story. He's going, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting.

Yeah. He's got the math equation. Yeah, in his head. He's like this is, but I would Keep going. One more year. To me, it just wasn't enough. Like, it's not even worth making a call. Yeah. And that's what really, this is what bothers me.

It actually bothered me because I'm like, you know, you consider yourself a pretty treacherous guy. And you didn't react fast at all. I actually laid in bed for like a month and didn't do anything. And I would lay there and go, is that even worth calling? Like, I mean, what is it? It's like a couple hundred thousand. Like, they're not going to reduce your sentence for a couple hundred thousand. They didn't want to reduce your sentence when you had cooperated it fully.

They're definitely not going to do it for this. They're already mad about the other day. They're not. It's only a couple hundred thousand. Forget it. Forget it. Plus, it's your word telling them. Once these people deny it, go on.

It's not going to happen. Forget it. So a month went by and I was on the phone getting my ordering my transcripts because remember I just got my sentence reduced. So I wanted to get my transcripts to add my transcripts to my memoir that I'd written. I wanted to add that little piece. Shrark in the housing pool available on Amazon. Yep. Thank you.

Nice. So I thought, okay, cool. So I called my lawyer and I said, hey, I need, you said you're going to send me the transcripts. I've never got them. And she's like, oh, my gosh, I will. I'll get them. I get them. And then she was like, okay, okay, I definitely going to order them.

I said, okay, cool. And she went, so what's going on? I went, you know, like lawyers don't want to chit chat. Yeah. On a prison. We're on a prison. And I went, I mean, what do you mean? She was, anything else going on there?

you want to tell me about it? This woman, when she was actively working in my case, she didn't ever want to have a conversation. So now what, you're asking me what's going on? And the way she said it, I was like, it was weird. She didn't know it. I just, it was, I don't know what she knew. I just went, and I went, and I swear to God,

had she not said that? I still be in prison right now. Really? Yes, because I literally think about it. It's been a month. I'd never call. I didn't do anything. So I went, you know, I didn't even mention.

I said, there is something. I said, so listen, there's a guy named Ron Wilson. She goes, what's his name? I go, Ron Wilson. Yeah. And I said, he's a Ponzi scheme guy. She was out of where? I go, South Carolina.

And it was weird how she's on the spot. And I went, and he told me about hidden Ponzi scheme funds that the Secret Service thinks he hid. I go, but it's not a lot of money. She goes, okay, well, let me look into it. She goes, do you know the name of his agent? I go, actually, I do because he said his name all the time. Yeah. And I said, yeah, his name is Griffin.

He was like Tom Griffin. I think it was Tom. I go, Tom Griffin. And a South Carolina Secret Service. And she goes, okay, well, that can't be very many of those. She said, let me look into it. I'll get back with you. I said, okay, keep in mind, she had not really worked hard on my case. I don't want to say anything too bad about her because I did get it. But hung up, didn't think anything else about it.

Anything else about it. About a week later, a correctional officer comes up to me and says, Cox, come here. I go, yo, what's up? And he goes, during the move, The moves when they open the door so you can go from building and building. He goes, during the move, I needed to go to SIS. And I went, okay.

And he just kind of like, it was on the download because if you go to SIS, you're probably cooperating with somebody. I used to have to go there because they would hold my mail because I was working on so many different people's stories. They would catch stuff coming in and go, why did you just order this guy's arrest report? Like, you shouldn't have, you shouldn't have Danny's arrest report. I'm like, yeah, I'm working on a story. And they'd always give it to it. But they said for me to go there I was like, okay, no big deal.

So I go there, I walk in. As soon as I walk in, there was this one lieutenant who ran the place. He was a fucking asshole. He goes, Cox, come here. Yeah, you sit down.

And that's how they talk to you like, you're a dog. Sit down. I'm like, all right. And he goes, hold on. Dials the phone. He goes, yeah. Yeah, I said,

I got him. Hold on. Talk to him. I'm like, oh. Like now I'm like, what the hell's going on? Like, this isn't about the mail.

And I'm like, yeah, what's up? And the guy goes, hey, this is agent, this is special agent. This is special agent, you know, Griffin with the Secret Service in South Carolina. I understand you know where Ron Wilson hid Ponzi scheme money. And I went, nah, wait a minute, bro. I said, I need something in writing because this is out of the, you know, last time. And he goes, well, wait a minute now. Let's talk about this.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not getting screwed again. I give you this. I want something to write it. You go to the U.S. attorney. You get me a letter in writing and I'll tell you who has the money. And I said, the person that has the money, and he goes, he is, okay, so it's a woman. And I went, what?

He is, it's a woman. You keep saying person. You're trying to make sure that it's not male or female. Which means it's female. So it must be female. And I go, hey, bro, don't ask me no more questions. Yeah. So who has it?

I go, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? Yeah. I need a letter. And he goes, take down my email address. Put me on your core links. which is the way we communicate. Yeah, I never, yeah. So I put it, I put it down and get it right it down.

I go put them on there. We start corresponding. And he gets me the letter. He actually sends me a copy of the letter from the U.S. attorney saying if Mr. Cox gives us information that recovers any money, a, no, a, say, a, if it's, um, the word they use, it's not significant. Anyway, it's, um, you know, it's like, let's say significant amount of money or, but what do they consider significant, though?

That's the problem. exactly but that was the best I was gonna if they if it's that or any of his information leads to the recovery of of money or basically an indictment then Mr. then we'll consider it substantial assistance which means we'll consensual assistance is what they give you reduction for so we'll consider it substantial assistance and reduce the sentence but that's a lot of how much they reduced it no but Kim Monday said we'll consider it that's how they fuck they always do right right so it's like well we did consider it and it's not enough still a fucking Hail Mary right so I was like, fuck, what am I going to do? I might as well do, you know, whatever. So I, I cooperate. I answer the questions that they're asking me. And then they, then they come to me and say, can you go back and ask him this. I'm like, I mean, I can try. I mean, that's a little weird. I can't go to walk into the room and say, hey, Ron, did so-and-so know this? You know, I'm like, I got to fucking bring it up. It's going to take a while. I got to subtly, they're like, well, take your

time. So this goes on for. You got nine years, don't worry. Yeah. This goes on for months. ask him this. And sometimes they'd ask me ask him questions. I go, bro, what are you trying to do? What the fuck am I going to work that into a conversation? Like there was like questions just like, how do I work that?

How do I ask him that? Yeah. Like what are you, what are you fucking people? Idiots? You know, it's like, what are you doing? And I would call them sometimes. Because, you know,

it takes so long back and forth, back and forth. Anyway, the point is I would ask about this. I'd come back and say, no, this person had, he said that person had nothing to do with anything. That you guys are always asking about that. and they, nothing, but it take me three days to work it into a conversation. So, the point is I answered a bunch of questions

and then at some point, he was on the packout. And he's like, oh, I don't know what's going on. Going back to, they're moving me. I'm like, where are they moving you? He's like, I have no idea. And then I go back and I'm like, hey, man, Wilson's on the packout, bro. Like, he's leaving tomorrow.

And they're like, I know, we just indicted him. We indicted him. We indicted his wife. We indicted his brother. Yeah. I'm like, what the, because what they did was after I answered enough questions, they actually had enough to go and go to this wife and say, we need you to come in and be interviewed. She came in and they said, do you have any money? And she said, absolutely not. I have nothing. He never gave me nothing. I don't have anything. Okay. She leaves, comes back the next day and walks in with like $350,000 and cash and gold.

Boom, boom, it gives them all this money. He told me only $150. and some gold. That's a significant amount. That's a huge difference, right. Because remember, I was thinking even the combination wasn't 200,000. The 30,000 or 40 his brother had plus the 150. That's not even 200 grand. She comes in alone with like 350.

Then the brother the next day is supposed to show up. He walks in and says, before I say anything, I want to turn this over. Boom, 150,000 again. Not 30 or 40, 150. Here to half a million. Right. So when Wilson's leaving, he had gotten a phone call from his lawyer. And I he goes, hey, I didn't talk to you.

I said, yeah, what's up? I said, yeah, what's going on? And I'm still, like, my heart's kind of like, oh, shit, because you know, they told you why he was on this day. They already told me. Right, he knows. Right. And I don't know that he doesn't know that I, I was involved.

Yeah. And they're saying he doesn't. There's no way he could know. But I don't know. Who knows? And he's like, can I talk to you? I'm like, yeah, what's up? He goes, talk to my lawyer.

And I'm like, okay, he said, and then you told me, my wife went in and turned in this much money and my brother turned in this much. I go, are you serious? I said, I didn't think they'd had nearly that much. And I said, you told me like your brother had like 20 grand? He said, or 30? Like, I'm like low balled it. Like, I thought.

And he goes, well, he said, I didn't, you know, I don't really trust you. You know, so I didn't want to tell you the right amount. And I'm thinking, if you didn't trust me, you should have told me nothing. Like, what you said sparked the whole thing. Yeah. Right. Like, you should have just said nothing. Like, anything is something to the FBI.

They don't care if they get five bucks. Right. So the point is, and he was like, he's like, well, you know, apparently I've been re-indicted. I'm like, oh. The home alone face. Do that? Do that? Look at the camera.

I'm like, no. It can't be. I need a thumbnail. That's crazy. Oh, fuck. And he, yeah, he's just, he, so he gets on the bus and he, you know, he leaves. You know what's funny about that? Did they indict this, the wife and brother?

Yeah, but you know what they got? One got six months probation. Yeah. Not even a felony. Yep. The other one got 100 community service hours. Wow. Nothing.

So he got indicted. Then what happened to him? He got six more months. But when he got his discovery, your name's all over it. Not just that. He sees all the fucking, he sees all the emails. Oh, fuck.

He's. So he realized you've been working on it all time. He didn't put him back in the same prison. No, no. You know what he did? he wrote a letter to his old roommate. So his old roommate got it and it's a fucking letter that says, Cox this,

and then he even said this, he said, Cox, or I never really told him anything, but somehow or another, he put it all together. Like, it's like,

you did, told me everything. Yeah, you told me, bro. So when I got that, it was funny because when I get it, so I,

what happens is I'm walking around. I don't know this letter's going around. Yeah. And I have a buddy come up to me one time and say, hey, bro, what happened with Wilson? And I said, I don't know, man. They shipped them.

No, Cox, I heard something else. I'm like, what did you hear? And he's like, I heard. I'm like, I'm just waiting for my reduction. Like, I don't even need to, there's no reason to even be friends with talk to you guys anymore. I'm leaving here any day now. So, of course, I didn't. Once again, they tried to fuck me over.

So. Wait, wait, wait, so before all this happened, did you already get your reduction? I got, no, no. No, no. He has to be sentenced. then they have to request it. Remember, they don't request it. After he gets sentenced,

the U.S. Attorney doesn't try and give me anything. They say, we don't know what Cox is talking about. I literally file another 2255, and then they lied to the judge. They told the judge, Your Honor, we don't know what Mr. Cox is talking about. We have no agreement with Mr. Cox. I had to mail the letter to the judge.

Wow. The judge gets the letter and he's like, we're going to have an evidentiary hearing. And they're like, wait, your honor. They gave him the same thing. That's right. Your honor. Now I remember. That was under, I'm sorry, that was under, it was under my paperweight.

I forgot about that. Anyway, the point is, is that, so I hadn't gotten a reduction. I just know he's gone. So months go by, he finds out about that I'm, I cooperate against him. He mails the letter back. Now, the letter's going around. I have guys coming up. The guy says, yeah, I heard something else.

I said, would you hear? He said, I heard you're the reason he got indicted. And I went, what? How'd you hear that? He's like, yeah, I don't want to say. And I'm like, what do you mean you want to say? You come up to me and say that? You don't want to say?

And I went, I walk off. Another guy, two days later, comes up and says something. Another guy comes up to me later and says, at commissary he says, hey, Matt, what's up? And I said, hey, what's going on? And he goes, I don't want to say anything, bro. Like, I like you. And I don't care what you did. He's like, like, I do anything to get out of here.

I'm like, okay? And I'm like, me too. and he's like, yeah, no, I know. He said, you know, Wilson? I went, oh, fuck. And he goes, he looked at me and I said, what is it? Bro, the way you reenacted, this is so good.

Keep going, keep going. That's true, though. And I later, and I went, uh-huh. And he goes, nobody's told me what's really happening. Like, I don't know what's happening. You haven't seen the letter? Oh, people are looking at me. People walking by, and I'm like, hey, what's up?

They're like, there's a, I'm like, Dead man walking. That's weird. And especially since, I've already come back from getting a reduction. Like, I'm not hiding it, but they're like, this dude's a gunslinger. Yeah.

I don't even fucking look at Cox's direction. He'll get you indicted. So the guy looks at me, he goes, the guy's name was Bradley, Martin Bradley. Bradley looks at me, he goes. So, I read this letter, and I went letter. What letter? I mean, I'm doing everything to say, letter?

What letter? What letter? What are you talking about? I go, letter? What letter? And he goes, so, Wilson mailed. a letter back to somebody. Now Wilson had no friends. So I thought the only person he would have written

would be his old roommate. And I went, right, right, I said, and they called him something. They called him like Steve Austin, I think they called him. Did he look like Steve Austin? Did he really? He was shorter, though. How old was he?

He was old. He was like, fucking seven. No, he's like 60, 65 years old. But he had like the white hair. So I, is that what Steve Austin? Steve Austin was bald? No, it's Rick Flair. Rick Flair.

That must be Rick Flair. That's who they called. They called them Flare. Right, Rick Flair. So I was like, Rick Flair. And he looked at me and he just kind of looked at me. I went, okay, anyway. And he goes, yeah, so the letter's gone around.

Like a few people have read it. He goes, and I read it. And it's pretty bad. It says that you cooperated against him and you were emailing the Secret Service and you've been working with the Secret Service for almost a year now to get him re-indicted. And I'm like, okay. And he goes, is that true?

And I go, does it matter? And he goes, and it doesn't matter to me. I said, well, then what are we talking about? And he goes, okay. Like, I was like, I think, you know, he's like, it's like I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to brag. Like, I joke around a lot, but at this point, here's my problem. It's not that I'm concerned about getting hurt. But my problem is, the lieutenants find out about it, and I get shipped. because they're like he's in danger

and they shit me. So I can't get shipped. Like my mom comes to see me every two weeks. I'm not getting shipped. I'm also working on a bunch of stories. Like I have a life here. Not a great life. At the time.

I got something going. But at the time, I liked them. You know, your expectations get lowered. Yeah. I'm in a routine. Right. So I go, so I go to,

I go to Rick Flair. So I walk right up to, right. Oh, Rick Flares, the roommate. The roommate. I walk right. right up to him and I said hey bro what's up and he goes hey man how's it going and I went pretty good pretty good it's going all right and he goes all right you can tell he's nervous and I said so uh I wanted to mention to you that um multiple people have told me that you've got this letter that

you're you're circulating and he goes he's just now he's just looking at me and I said so I want to be perfectly clear what's what the situation is your wife comes to see you every two weeks. She lives around here. You don't want to get shipped. And he looks at me and I go, because I said, we both know I'm currently working with the FBI

and the Secret Service, I can't be shipped from this location, but you can. And I said, one more fucking person comes up to me and talks to me about this letter. And I shit you not, you will be transferred to FCC Baghdad.

Do you understand me? I said, I'll walk right into the lieutenant's office. I'll explain the situation. They will come and raid your fucking shit. Find that letter and ship you. And even if they don't, they'll ship you. I said, because I can't be moved. And he went, I said, we understand each other, right?

And he goes, yeah, yeah. I said, nobody sees the letter again, do they? No, no, they don't. I said, okay. And I walked away. I have no control. There's no lock on me. Yeah.

There's no FBI. But you sold it. I sold it. Yeah. So nobody ever mentioned. Here's the thing. So you have to think for him to mail that letter back, he was pretty pissed, right? Wilson.

Now, here's the thing. About six months later, maybe a year later, about a year, let's say six months to a year later. By this point, I've got my five years off. I just gotten my five years off, I think. I want to say me there's before and around that area, around that time period. One day I'm sitting there, you have to stand up for count, right? So I'm waiting for the guards to come count us, and we're standing at the top of our cells and we're standing there. And this, you know, they bring new people in all the time.

Well, this black guy had been placed right in front of my cell. Like, he's in the cell right across the, the hallway from me. Not a ton of white guys in, in prison in general, but there's still a lot in the low, right? More so, like, maybe 20, maybe 40 or 50 percent, which is a lot. So I'm standing there and my cell waiting for count, you're not supposed to talk or anything. And this black guy had just gotten there. He's still in his R&D class. He doesn't even have his uniform. And he's standing there and he goes, hey man. And I said, yeah, what's up?

And he goes, you know a guy named Matt Cox? And I went, yeah, why? And he goes, you know him? And I went, yeah. And he said, you point him out to me? Is he in this unit? And I went, no, bro. I said, I pull up my idea.

I go, I'm Matt Cox. And he goes, oh, shit. And I went, why, what's up? And he goes, you know Ron Wilson? And I immediately, like I'm like, and he said that he goes, no, no, it's not like that, bro. So nobody can really hear us. We're pretty close, but his, Sally's eight feet back. And he goes, no, no, he said, you know where all was?

I said, yeah, why? He said, I was in the, he said, I was locked up with him in South Carolina. And he was being shipped. And he wanted me to give you a message. And I went, okay. He said, he wanted me to let you know that he told me to tell you two. things. One, he hopes you get as much time off as you can get for what happened. He goes, and he told me everything. I go, okay. And he goes, the second thing is he wanted you to let you know he's at peace

and he's found Jesus and he's good with it. And he said he had no hard feelings towards you. I said, okay. And he said, and I said, so I said, am I going to have to worry about you telling people about this? And he goes, nah, bro, he said, let me put it this way. He goes, I ain't going to be here very long. Like that. And I went, I understand you. He said, I know you do.

He's doing the same thing. He's just waiting. He's just waiting on people. Well, he's waiting to leave. He's waiting for a reduction. Okay. Like, I'm here, but I'm leaving. Nobody comes in quick.

There's no, there's no little, little prison. in the feds. So if you come in and you're gone six months, and this guy was gone like four or five months later, he's gone. Yeah. So he did some damage. So,

but yeah, what, you know, so yeah, he, that was it. And that was the last I'd heard. And I'd actually thought about writing Wilson.

Yeah, you should. I thought about. Fascinating to get him. I even thought about sending him my book. Like, like, because I have a book where I talk about him like,

like, is he in Shark in the Housing Pool? No, but he's in, he's in, And the book I wrote, It's Insanity. Frank Amadeo is the one that fought those cases. Right, that helps you get the reduction.

Right. I talk about the Wilson case. Wilson's also in one of my books called bailout. Oh, yeah. He's, he's only in a couple scenes, but he's in, like, he makes appearances because he was a part of my life for a period of time, and he was an interesting character. But, and keep in mind, too, Wilson got six months. Like first of all, you got 19 and a half years

You're dying in prison Six months ain't gonna make a difference But not that I give a fuck I don't wanna make it seem like Oh so Matt, Matt thought about this I thought they were gonna give him five years I don't give a shit I didn't care if he got fucking 40 years

And he had two Right Serving two and got 40 I don't give a fuck I went out of prison Right So but yeah that that's the whole That one little piece is like So like he found Jesus

And I hope you get as much off as you can Like, I mean, that was the weirdest thing. Can you imagine? That is weird. There's like 1,800 to 2,000 people at any given time at that. The guy literally is right across from me. Were you just waiting for him to like to pull out a shank or something, right when he said that? I mean.

It sounds like something from the movie right before you get killed. I have a message for you. I have a message from Ron. No, because he's in, he was in R&D clothes. So, I mean, he's like, he's got like a T-shirt and baggy pants. And he's, you know, he's, and he's a soft black guy. This is not like a, this wasn't like a thug. This is like a guy that I could probably take in a fair fight.

Like, I don't think he's going to. And he was very like, hey, you know Matt Coss? Yeah. Yeah. So, but he was very like, he didn't want anybody here. He wasn't trying to be like, yo, man, what's up? You know. He wasn't trying to get attention.

No, no. So it was a vibe was good with him. Yeah, that was it. What is that? No. So how long after that did it take for you to get your reduction? I want to say it was, I don't know if it was before or after that. You know, the problem was as soon as Wilson got,

died it and got actually got sentenced. I had to wait, like I waited like six months before we filed the 2255 because they basically, you first you kind of wait 90 days, because typically around 90 days, they're closing the file. They're wrapping everything up. And at that point, they would have filed something saying, hey, your honor, we want to go ahead and reduce Cox's sentence because he helped, he substantially helped us in this case. Well, after 90 days, it was like, so I wrote a letter to the U.S. attorney, didn't hear anything. then we waited so now it's six months after Wilson's sentencing.

And then it was like, okay, so, oh, okay, let's go ahead and file the 2255, because I already know they're going to fuck me. So we filed the 2255 saying, look, I want to reduce, I want to rescind my plea agreement because you promised to reduce my sentence if I cooperated in my plea agreement. And you're not doing that. And they really don't even promise. You know, we always say, you promise. They're like, yeah, if you read the language, it specifically says this is not a promise. So, but you just say that anyway. So, you know, I sent it to, we sent it in.

And then they come back and they, the first thing the government says is, Your Honor, we don't know anything about Mr. Cox cooperating in the Wilson case. We haven't heard anything about this. So, of course, Amadeo then comes back and files another motion with the letter, which goes to the judge saying, hey, what do you mean you don't know anything? What about this letter? What about all of these emails between Cox and the Secret Service? And they're talking about the U.S. Attorney.

and their agreement with the U.S. attorney, blah, blah, like, you know, Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, Exhibit 3, Exhibit. And they're like, you know, we're taking excerpts. So the judge saw that, and the judge went, I'm going to order an evidentiary hearing. And then immediately they came back and they said, Your Honor. We'd like to reduce Mr. Cox's sentence by one level,

which was like 14 or 15 months or something. I know. It was low. It was very low. Maybe it was 22. I think it was like 20 months. So we want to do it by 20 months or 18 months, like a year, 18 months or something. And it was like, and so it was lucky because when that came in, I got it and we had just enough time.

So the judge got something saying 18 months off. I don't know the exact number. The judge typically could have just gone and said, yeah, okay, 18 months. They, Cox is bitching and a moaning. They agreed to give them something. Here, yeah, okay, cool. Done, that's done. And then it's over.

I'm done. So immediately, as soon as this thing came in, I get it at like 5 o'clock, right after 4 o'clock count. So I get it at 5 o'clock at mail call. And I'm like, holy shit, I immediately go to Frank's meet with Frank. Frank, Frank, this is what I got. And Frank goes, okay, get me so-and-so. You start doing orders, you know, the little general.

Get me Johnson, Thomas, through, get a such and such, you know, form. And I'm like, you know, I'm running around, getting stuff. And he writes up a little motion saying he wants to, stop the process of the judge making it making a determination on whether or not to grant it or not because I have the right to present evidence so stop it we want to present evidence and so they're like so now the judge is because

think about the hardest thing is this the hardest thing is getting them to ask for a reduction now you open up the door right and so sure enough we write it up type it up it's in the mail so within like they you know they don't think you can react that quickly. So within two days, the judge obviously got it and filed a, hey, we're suspending this, we're stopping it, and we're ordering an evidentiary hearing.

No, we're stopping it. We're giving Cox a lawyer. Yeah. And we're going to do an evidentiary hearing. So the lawyer takes, they gave you a lawyer. Yeah, they gave me a lawyer the first time, too. Flew, this lawyer flies in from, and this lawyer actually went to Harvard. She's a, yeah, she was a CJA, like they appoint them.

Yeah. So, and because like if you file a 2255, you're basically, one of the things you're saying is that your lawyers, your public defender is ineffective. So they can't now give me a lawyer from the public defender's office. I just said that. Yeah, you be a real lawyer. Now they, they hire some, right, a real one. I got this chick from Harvard. Wow.

She flies in. She comes in. She sits down. And she's like, hey, what's going on? I'm like, yeah, this is what happened. Boom, boom, boom. And she's like, okay, well, that's one of the things when I tell her, she's like, well, your motion, you know, you read your motion. It was well, you don't really have much of a chance.

And I was like, I was like, oh, I didn't write the motion. She's like, well, who wrote the motion? I'm like, Frank Amadeo. She's, who's Frank Amadeo? I'm like, he's a mentally incompetent, uh, inmate who does legal work. And he has delusions of, uh, he has, he has delusions that he's going to be emperor of the world. He's straight crazy. and she's like,

this is who's doing your legal work? And I went, yeah, well, it doesn't affect his legal work. I mean, yeah, he thinks God's telling him he's going to be, he's going to be emperor of the world, but he doesn't affect his legal work. And she's like, clearly. You've got somebody who's mentally ill, who's doing your, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She likes this story. Yeah, she's like, that's crazy. So she ends up saying, look, you ought to take, you know what she said? She goes, you ought to take the deal. Like, what deal? The 18-month deal? I said, really?

Why would I do that? She's like, I might be able to get you two months. I'm like, huh. Frank said four. Frank said to tell you four. Four more months? Yeah. No, no, four levels.

I'm sorry, four levels. Okay. Which was, which was basically five years off. Yeah. It's actually like 59 months off or something. I always say around up to 60 months, which is five years. So anyway, so I said, yeah, that's what? That's it.

So we went, we go back and forth, back, but we argue for the next four months, three or four months, and eventually they come back and they say, they say, they say three levels off, which that's 60 months. Sorry, that's 59 months. Yeah. The other one was like seven or eight years.

Wow. So, yeah, so that's, so we, she and I get her to argue. And really what's happening is she's not even writing the fucking things.

Like my buddy Pete and Frank are writing them, writing the motions. And then we're giving them. And then she's getting them and rewriting them and sending them in. I mean, they're literally. They're doing all the work for her. They're doing the work.

And she keeps, every time I talk to her, she's like, they offer this. You should take it. I'm like, no. you're not going to get it anymore.

Yeah, I know, but you keep saying that. Yeah, and it keeps getting more. Right. And eventually I get, yeah, 59. 59. And she actually was like, okay, well, we're going to have to go ahead and do the evidentiary hearing because 59 isn't what you want. You want four levels. You only got three levels, which is 59 months.

Four levels would have been whatever, 70, 72, whatever. I was like, no, no, I'll take 59. She's like, well, you said you wouldn't take less than four levels. And this is only three. And I said, no, I said, Frank said to tell you. four levels. We were always okay with three. Yeah, yeah. And we want you to fight for four. Right. But three is good. She says, okay, well, do you want to be moved back? I said, why would I want to be moved back? I've won. Like at this point, going in front of the judge, I can only lose. Like, they've, get them to agree to three levels. We've agreed to three levels. Put an emotion. I don't need to go back. So sure enough, boom, it was done. It was over. I got 50. And that's about this around, I don't know if it was before after when I actually got the thing when the guy said, said to me, are you Mac, you know, hey, you.

looking you know got any Matt Cox at that point how much time did you have left so at that point I had I was down to probably seven years and I got five years off god damn and then I was as soon as that happened so now I've got like less than two years and they immediately were going to ship me they were going to ship me to another place but my mom so I immediately entered the drug program to keep so that if you enter the drug program they lock you to the combat they put a management variable on you so you can't be moved so that's why I went to the drug program so they wouldn't ship me you've heard this yes Remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, bro, it's nuts. Like, I mean, the juggling act? So crazy. You fucking played every single element of the system. Horrible. Horrible. That's fucking easy. And in the meantime, like, all kinds of stuff's happening.

I told you, remember the guy who jumped up and punched me in the fucking head? I don't want to say punch. I shouldn't say it because he didn't punch me. He bitch slapped me. Who did? This guy jumped. One day we were watching TV. Oh, yeah, yeah.

We were going over the TV. He wanted to watch Stone Colds, Ranch. No, no, no. Broken Skull Ranch. No, no, this was just, this was just a crap. He was a, he had a sex offender charge. Like, he was actually there for, like, oxies.

And he was a big biker guy, but he had a sex offender charge in his past. And I used to fuck with him all the time. I don't know why. He'd beat my ass. Like, you know what I'm saying? I told you guys. I think I told you this before. Like, when I entered prison, I kind of realized, like, you can do one of two things.

You can just shut your fucking mouth for the next 20-something years. and just take and just say nothing and be miserable or you can run your mouth and expect that you're going to get the shit kicked out of you every once in a while and I thought that'd be more fun

yeah I'm just not going to be okay not saying anything some of these guys they have they got you gotta say something so so yeah I'm sitting in the in the like you know sex offenders can't go like they can't live certain places

you know that they can't live around a school or whatever Yeah, we've talked about multiple business ideas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the guy, this guy, his name was Billy. Billy, like Billy would say, people would be in the TV room. People would say stupid shit. Like so, or somebody would say, hey, I just got my halfway house.

By the way, sex offenders in Florida can't get a halfway house. So some guy would come in and sit down and go, hey, I just got my halfway house, man. I'm getting, I'm getting eight months halfway house. I'm fucking leaving next month. And it was like, oh, cool, bro, cool, cool. And then Billy would like, like everybody knows you have a sex. sex offender charge in your past. Like, shut up.

Yeah. Don't bring attention to you. Instead, he would say, yeah, I don't think I'm going to take halfway house. I'm, um, and everybody's like, what? Full of shit. Yeah. What are you talking about? He's like, yeah, I don't know.

I'm, I'm just going to, I'm going to go all the way the door. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure where I'm, I don't even know where I'm going to go when I get out. And I would go. And I remember one time I said, well, I know where you're not going to go. He was where I go anywhere in there, a school, a daycare or a park. Fuck you, Cox. So I was always saying shit.

Oh my God. One day we're watching TV, right? In the morning, he sits behind me. We're watching TV, we're sitting there. And this chick comes on. She's like running down the beach, right? Like Baywatch or something. And he goes, you wouldn't know what to do with that, would you, Cox?

And I went, I got a better chance of hitting that than you do. And he said, he goes, huh. He said, I want to fuck something. I knock your ass out and fuck you. And I said, shit. I said, I'm a little bit young for you. I said, plus I have my high school diploma jumps up and goes, bam, just smash me right in the bug. Fucking knock me out of my fucking chair.

Like, I thought someone had walked in, you know, you walk around with your chair. And when you walked the door, I thought somebody had dropped their chair on me. And that's how, that's, like, I didn't expect it. So I jump on like, what the fuck you piece of shit? We start screaming at each other. And then he storms off. And I turn to one of the guys, I sit down. And one of the guys in there looks at me and he goes, Coxie, okay?

And I went, yeah, I'm good. And he goes, like, that's how quickly it goes back to normal, by the way. That quick, not walking around, not pouting, not fucking moving to another state, not none of that shit. It's just like, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm good. Yeah. I like that subliminal shot. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you just deal with it. You move on. We're all buddies. We're good. So I'm watching team. Yeah, I'm good. And he goes, no, bro, you're not good.

What do you mean? He goes, you need to go in the mirror. Go look in the fucking in the bathroom. I went, fuck. Like, I walk in the bathroom, fucking half my eye is bloodshot red. Just completely. Really?

Blew the capillary out. Like, I had no idea. I was like, holy shit. Like, how am I going to... Explain that. It was just before Mother's Day, and my mom was coming to see me, like that Monday.

And I was thinking, fuck, like, how am I going to not... Like, if the guards see this, I'm going to show. They're going to know there's a fight. And so I made it... This is how many fucking... This is how many snitches are in that fucking place.

Can you believe someone snitch on you in there? They had like five or six copouts. There was only four guys in the room. Like me, Billy, like two other guys. And they were like five or six copouts to the fucking SIS saying, hey, there was a Cox and Billy were in a fight. And, you know, so at the end, after four o'clock count, they called both of us into the guard,

the, into the office. So we both go in the office And I'm like I'm like yeah what's up Man like I'm trying to look sideways They like no no no All right Cox what happened We understand there was a

There was a fight And I go no no no no no no There was don't say fight It was an assault I was assaulted Fight makes it seem like I fought back I was assaulted I said this is an assault

And Billy's right there Billy's like Motherfucker I'm like what Like if you think I got You just hit me in the fucking Hey, you think I'm what? I'm going to not say something.

No, anybody needs to go to the shoe. It's this motherfucker. But we both went to this shoe. Yeah. Yeah. I ended up having to go to the pin. Billy went to the medium shoe. I went to the pin shoe for some reason.

Hmm. Let me tell you something. It's not good. Wow. Like, listen, the whole way there, as I'm coming into the place, they dress you out and everything. I'm telling like every guard along the way. I'm like, hey, hey, you can't put me. with one of these guys.

They're like, no, no, Cox, don't worry. You're gonna be fine. We got your own cell. We got you some books. Wow, they took care of you at least. Oh, yeah. Like, the guys, like, the guards in the pen are super nice. Right.

Like, as you go down and- Because they're dealing with fucking... Because they could get... The worst of the worst, right? They could get stabbed. Yeah. Like, at the camp, they can air the low, they can treat you like garbage.

You're not going to do anything. Yeah. But, yeah, they're like, Cox, I got, I got some... You got your books. If you need any more books, don't hit the button. Just knock. wait, we'll come, we'll come.

Don't, here's your this, here's your cleaning supplies, don't drink this. I'm like, it's like, it was like, um, Ajax. A suicide thing that followed, Ajax and I looked at him and I go, is that a problem? He goes, yeah, it's an issue. It's an issue. I go, yeah, I'm not drinking that. He's a

good move. I mean, like the cop was totally cool. I was there like a day and they let me out. Wow, man. That's fucking wild. They were two days. Listen, there were guys there Whole faces, eyes tattooed, like walking around, like, I mean, you know, like, walking, like, this is how their, their, their, their rec time is, is handcuffed behind their back, shackled, their legs shackled, and a chain between the two, walking around.

Like, West Watson? Worse. Like, just, like, guys like that, completely tattooed. And I'm, I mean, these are guys, like, in the, you could see the wreck, the inside the shoe wreck yard. You could see it when you go through. intake and I'm looking at these guys. That's what I'm like, you can't put me in with one of these guys. You cannot put me in with it.

Like, no, this is, calm now. Cox, and they almost laugh. Like, they're, like, relax, Cox. We would never. You can't survive with one. Right. We might as well just take you out back and execute you. Right.

Be faster. Oh, my God. Terrifying. But yeah, so that was it. Oh, my God. And then you're out. Wow. Man, that's fucking.

The way that you, that you, that you, that you. rehearse or recount those stories and the way that you fucking the way that you recount it and like how animated you are so fucking hilarious man you should get West Watson

on the channel. Oh yeah we should only if you come on I would but I need to have a bouncer like we have to have somebody West look because I don't know a guy bigger than that guy yeah we'll bring big Mike oh yeah we can bring big Mike

we can bring Big Mike Actually, you know, the thing is is like I've seen West Watson We'll have Big Mike pat him down Before he comes in Make sure he's not You know it's like an act That was the big thing

That was the big thing that bothers A lot of people's ill I say it's an act He can't act like this in normal Like Wes Watson cannot behave Like this in normal life Nobody would be around him He's probably like the most like

Calm reasonable person in real life He's like probably A super sweet guy I had a guy contact me In the comment section Who said he works out at the same gym like it's in like L.A. or somewhere like in California. He works out at the same gym.

Watson has like a group of people that he trains. And he said, he goes, oh, he yells at him all the time. Yeah, calls him names, calls him everything.

He's like like a guy, I'll show up like five minutes late and he'll go, he said he'll, he'll belittle him in front of everybody. And I'm thinking, really? Like, it's got to be an act.

Like, you can't behave this way in society. But maybe, you know, one guy is telling, telling me it's got you're right it's got to be an act other people some guys are saying yeah it's come on man he's playing a character other guys are then the other guy with the thing like but maybe he's playing the character but he can do it in that role right right maybe in a place where he can

play that yes so i i can't imagine but i mean he's he's he's he's he's yeah he's he's he's he mean he that that definitely could be his real life just judging by how fucking juiced up he is he's violent i mean he his all and he didn't do fed time he did state in California state time. Oh my God, that's the worst of the worst. It's the worst. It's the worst. That's why it looks like he does. Yeah. Oh, you know who, you know what would be, who would be good? What about Big Herc? Oh, yeah. I loved it. Oh, yeah. I want to get that football player. And ask him questions about you and then bring Matt in halfway through.

Hey, do you remember this guy? Bubba. Just like an episode of Jerry Springer. Bro, you have, is that guy Ron Wilson still alive? Yeah, he's in prison. You have to fucking reach out. Yeah, you definitely have to reach out. I should. Write him. You have to. Write him a letter. Get a letter from him and see what he says. You know what he looks like. You should write him a letter and thank him. You should, you should show a picture of him. Can you Google him? Oh, he's every, he's all over it. They have videos of him. He was on American greed. Was he really? Yes. He did 50-some million, right? 57 million. Well, how do you spell his name? Ron. And it is, it's Ronnie. I think with an R. Oh, shit. Ron Wilson.

fucking Ron Wilson. I honestly forgot the name. No, I was talking about Danny. Anyways. What's up with Amadeo? Have you talked to him at all? You know, he got arrested again. He said that last time you're here.

Yeah. He's in jail. Fuck, what did he go to jail for? Nobody knows. Nobody knows. I'm thinking CIA hold. Really? No, I'm saying at this point, nobody can find out.

Nobody can figure out why he's locked up. That's usually public record when somebody gets locked up, right? Right. They have so long to either. charge you or even if it was just a violation. Like they because the first I was told it was a violation but in a violation they have so many days to

say it's a violation. Yeah. Wow. That's him right like that's after this is him after he got picked up and left Coleman Oh man. From you. So yeah Yeah from me. This is after Can you play the video? Yeah yeah this is

Do you ever talk about you? No. That fucking Matt Cox Imagine if he started with that. That mother. He told me I couldn't trust him. I asked him, can I trust you? He said no.

No. Now to a story you'll see only on WIFF News 4. He stole $57 million in 798 victims in a pond. But do the widescreen. Speaking out from jail tonight, the new details from our exclusive jailhouse interview. Here now, WIFF News 4 is Mandy Gap. Who's going to write me? Matt Cox will.

From the Spartanburg County Jail, Ron Wilson told us it all started with a lie, and he got good at telling them. Regina Ethan, the vice president of his company, Atlantic bullion and coins, started asking questions wanting to feed the silver victims thought they had bought. Wilson had the right answers. I said, well, what is? You don't trust me? Here you are, Vice President. Company. You don't trust me? Oh, no, I trust me. You know, and all that stuff.

And I said, well, come on, what is it? And she said, well, I'm just trying to get more information to be more effective with the clients. I said, when you get to those questions, bring me in. And I used to tell them. Look at a client she brought in one day. She said, how much he enjoys it? He said, I want to know, how do I know the silver is there? I said, you don't.

And he sat there and he says, what? I said, you don't know. It's not in your name. Ten hours. That's how I can treat it. I said if you're uncomfortable, get out. We'll sell it out. It's part of the airman, it was part of the stupidity.

Right before his arrest, Wilson says he believes I've figured it out, but says he orchestrated the entire Ponzi scene on his own. Wow. Man, you've got to write this guy. I'm mad at the chicken service. I'm mad at the receiver. I'm mad at me. I mean, I'm mad at myself. I did this. I couldn't meet myself. Nobody put me in it. And it's a horrible way to end up doing.

Wilson says it was sheer grief that led him to steal. He says his business was legitimate until 2001. He noticed over that time that very few people ever took any money out of their account. I started issuing statements that had nothing behind it. I even redesigned the statement. That was very good. In fact, the Secret Service told me that it was genius. with genius.

Because there's no way anybody would look at that statement and have a doubt. Those clients now victims are the ones who have to bring them out. He said one after sell is silver and get his million dollars. Then a second, one is two million. But there was nothing to sell. That's when he says it started to unravel. Hadn't been. I put a long time.

And then, when I hung up that phone, I thought this was, this is the bullet with my name. Those victims and so many others never got their money. Wilson will be 82 years old when he gets out of prison.

Oh, he might be alive. I'd like to think that I'm not through some you know, God's province that I might live to get out. I would like to spend some time with my daughter and my grandkids and my brain and kids.

But that's not likely to happen. And so I have to just come to grips with what I've done and what it's going to cost me. It's going to cost me that. I'm sorry it costs the cost of what it did it. But it costs them things that are financial. It costs me things that I'll never recover.

You got right. You got it right. I should. He, he, uh... Hey, he's doing it the right way, though. That's the only way to not suffer. You know what's funny is, uh, the, when he, when I first met him, super angry at everybody.

Oh, really? Do you hear what, like, how many times do you've said that? Like, I heard me like, oh, no, I'm the one that did this. I'm the one that put me here. His whole thing was, you know, the secret service, the this, the that. And I was like, bro, you keep blame it. Like, when was it when we first met? Do you think he's putting on a story for the cameras?

No, I think he's, that's true. I think as he and I became friends and we talked, like he was always like, you're like the only person here who like takes responsibility, who like, well, you're like, you're like the only guilty man here. He's like, I mean, you're the only one saying like,

and you're not blaming anybody. You don't, I don't hear you blaming anybody. No, I'm like, you put you here. So nobody fucking made you do that. Like literally I can hear me saying exactly what he's saying to him. And then as, as times went on, he was like, yeah, I did. I'm the one that did all this.

I'm like, of course, of course. But, you know, you get, first you get sentenced. And, you know, the first thing is to get angry and blame and this and that. And it's hard to, by the end of, you know, if you're lucky, you start to realize that, you know, that nobody puts you here. You put you. You're the put yourself in this situation. You made all the bad choices. But I'm telling you right now, 95% of the guys that go to prison, they get out thinking, fucking snitches, fucking DEA, fucking lying.

What are you talking about? You were selling drugs. Yeah. Or you were robbing banks. Yeah, yeah. What did you, what do you mean? You think you stole $5 million. You have to go to prison.

They could have given me probation. What? You just stole $5 million? Yeah. That kind of stuff. It's like people are delusional. Yeah. You know, so anyway.

But yeah, it's funny. As we talked, he started to have that kind of mindset. And I was watching him right there. I'm thinking, my God. That's exactly what you told him. That's hilarious, man. Yeah. He was an interesting old guy, bro.

Yeah. Yeah. He had stories. You have to write him, man. He had great stories. He'll probably survive. 82 is not that old. He was in good shape.

I mean, he was, like, healthy. Yeah. He, you know, his big problem was he would fluctuate in his weight ridiculously. He would get down really thin, and then he'd balloon back up. I mean, he'd, like, buy a bunch of, like, nutty buddies, and eat the whole box. Like, we're there in a box of nutty buddies. He'd get the whole box. Wow.

And then, like, the next day, he'd do that, like, five days in a row, and eat, like, one or two boxes. day it's like bro what are you doing he's just balloon back up and then he'd get to a certain weight and he'd start walking and walking and walking and walking next thing you know it's like bro that's not good like you can't you gotta I'm depressed no shit justified oh madcox imagine how your victims feel yeah oh god he had that he had he had he had this one woman that came in one time he told me about she had um multiple chorosis right so she just started with the trembles right

MS-13 she had? Yeah. So she just started, and she had like, I don't know, like a few hundred thousand dollars. And she came to him and said, her husband, who she was divorced, they were getting divorced. Her husband had been investing with him. And her husband had said, Jesus, bro. Her husband said, we're three hours in. Oh, shit.

So let me finish this. Okay. So her husband had been investing with Wilson. So they were getting divorced and she came to him. She said, look, I have several hundred thousand, maybe a few, let's say 200,000. And he goes, right. She goes, if I gave you that money, how much would I have in, let's say, 10 years? She said, because the way I'm progressing, I got 10 years before I just can't do anything.

And he went, you have that in cash? And she goes, yes, yeah, I do. He goes, you give me $200,000 in cash. He said, in five years, he goes, you'll be a millionaire. He said, in 10, you'll be worth $3 or $4 million. And she goes, really? He goes, yeah. She said, I'll bring it tomorrow.

And he goes, she did. She brought me in two, like two, three hundred thousand in cash. And I went, really? And I went, I go, man, I said, what did you do with that money? And he goes, I bought an antique carriage. It was beautiful, beautiful. It had gold trim. Wow.

No remorse. None. What a son. And I was, I know, I was like, Jesus, bro. She had fucking MS. God. And he was like, he's like, oh, she's fine. She'll be fine.

She'll be all. He's just taking these poor people's savings. Oh, my God. He had, he had, he had, he was ten times worse than you. Oh, man. He, he had a, he had a, it's called, it was the Heritage Museum in South Carolina. And he put, he bought, like, antiques and filled it. Like, this is what you do.

Like, you've got millions and millions and millions, and you, he had a museum. Oh, I, oh, yeah, yeah. I had old cars. I had a confederate this. I had a, you. Like, what do you? Just crazy. Wow, man.

You're stealing from people and buying crazy shit. That guy's fucked. All right, Matt. Thanks for doing this, bro. We're over three hours in. Nice. That was a solid podcast. That was a good podcast.

This could be, this could be, yeah, three hours of content. That could be good. Three hours of Matt Cox. People are going to fucking love it. Yeah, they are. It's good. Well, thanks. All right.

Plug yourself. Give all the latest. Nobody's watched this. If you're watching, if they watch the first 30%. Okay. Well, then don't plug your. yourself. No,

if they caught, they caught the Ron Wilson story they're here. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, for sure. The Ron Wilson story

had me in by the throat. Right. You got, listen, I got a channel. It's called Matt Cox and Matt Cox inside true crime.

And, yeah, that's pretty much it. Like, I got some Instagram stuff. I wrote a book. I wrote a bunch of books. Yeah.

I've been kind of plugging the whole way, I think. Yeah, feel pretty good. So, if you like the, if you like the video,

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