Danny Jones Podcast - #160 - Harvard Scientist Exposes CIA Mind Control Weapons Still Being Used Today | Len Ber & Robert Duncan

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

Leonid “Len” Ber received his MD degree in the former USSR where he specialized and practiced as an endocrinologist. Now a US citizen, Len is one of the few US civilians to ever be officially diagnosed with Havana syndrome. Robert Duncan is a renaissance educated man from Harvard & M.I.T with a focus on medical sciences, engineering, computer science and more specifically genetic algorithm optimizations of neural networks. He has worked on projects for DARPA, the CIA, the Navy, and Army.    Len Ber - https://twitter.com/PSardonicus Robert Duncan's Book - https://www.amazon.com/Project-Catcher-Secrets-Cybernetic-Revealed/dp/1452804087 JOIN OUR KULT: https://bit.ly/koncretepatreon Danny  https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny  https://twitter.com/jonesdanny Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

and Duncan, why don't you guys introduce yourselves and talk about, you know, what is it you guys do? What's your background? My name is Lynn Baer. Yeah. I'm a formerly a physician from the USSR, from the former USSR, from the former USSR. I specialized in, I was a medical doctor, specialized in endocrinology, came over. here in 93 to work for a pharmaceutical company in the area of my research. And then I was prepared to get license in the States, but things on the business side took over and I stayed on the

business side and currently working in the regulatory field for a company in check. Chicago area. U.S. naturalized citizen, married, and been target of directed

of directed energy weapons since 2019. Since 2019? Yeah, in the summer of 2019. Three years ago. Three, just over three years ago.

It started happening to me. And was diagnosed in 2020, but vestibologists function due to direct energy exposure by the same team of experts that diagnosed Cuban diplomats. Duncan? Yeah. So, I have an IB league background, education.

I've been studying any human rights activism for what is now currently termed Vanis syndrome. But this has been going on for quite some time. I work for DARPA on projects for the CIA, for the Navy, for example, wrote the artificial intelligence code, tracked the Soviet nuclear submarine fleet. But about 20 years ago, I realized some of my research. was being utilized on my own citizens. And that was unacceptable to me. And since then, I've done hundreds of interviews,

interviewed 2,500 victims or targeted individuals, as they're called, found commonalities of all their stories. And I've spoken to, with the head of the LA FBI, to the Senate Intelligence Committee, 23 senators and representatives, with very with some interest. And I said, just wait when it starts happening to their agents, diplomats, and the FBI. So interestingly, a story came out yesterday that it's happening to the FBI now. What is your educational background?

I have an MBA from Dartmouth, Masters of Science from Harvard, PhD in applied sciences, computer science, artificial intelligence, pre-medical in engineering, and other classes from Stanford, Duke, and MIT. So, yeah, I've been in school most of my life. And how did you get into working with DARPA and the CIA? It was odd. I gave a resume to a headhunter, ironically, and they're called headhunters. And my head was taken for a CIA think tank.

At the time, I didn't know it. It was a technology think tank. And it was all funded by DARPA. And then I got shuffled around as a scientist to these various other projects. For people who aren't familiar, could you tell us what DARPA is? Defense, Advanced Research Project Agency. They do all of the pie in the sky projects, long-term, well-funded. I have some of the best scientists, and it's mainly where all the top secret research goes on,

and that some of it I can talk about, some of what I can't, and it's a very fine line. I'm not trying to hurt my country. I'm not trying to hurt anyone here. But there is a cover-up going on about the Havana syndrome. And so this is what we're hoping, Len and I, to expose. So when did you guys meet each other? And how did you guys meet? So after I was diagnosed with Havana syndrome by Dr. Hoffer at the University of Miami,

I started reaching out to elected officials, to all the researchers. One of the people I contacted gave me Robert's book, Project Soulcatcher, I read it, and I said, I have to meet this guy. And I contacted him on social media and made a trip. I live in the Chicago area, just about 45, minutes from from downtown and contacted Robert said as to fly to meet him and we flew to Idaho and spent the day talking and I learned a lot about it and I continue learning from from from Robert, we became friends, and we have common goal to expose this.

So how did you first develop this syndrome? What was happening? What were you doing? You were a civilian. You weren't working in the government in any capacity. So how does this happen to a civilian? It just started happening. I developed tinnitus, the ring in the year.

first at like in certain parts of the house and I heard noises and voices and I could not figure out and then vibrations these vibrations are experientially it's like nothing else you there's no neurological disorder that that that feels like that and I can tell you as a patient and as a physician, experientially, it is very distinct. Your whole body vibrates. Your head is heavy pressure.

The sound is deafening. You get disoriented. Can't walk. Can't talk. It incapacitates you. And it can last from 10 minutes to 30 minutes. to an hour and a half and it's very painful, it's very uncomfortable, and it feels like

concussion. After that, and you actually have symptoms of concussion, the movement of the eyes, the stagmas, and this is why some people give it in the immaculate concussion. but I had it was escalating I was searching for an answer I had convulsions from it which is which is one of the things that people experience I realized how serious it was a neurologist were unable to diagnose I started looking through the literature found paper by Dr. Hoffer, where he describes 25 diplomats that he examined and diagnosed with what he called acquired neurosensory dysfunction, and that's the diagnosis that he gave to these diplomats, and he gave this diagnosis to me. But my attacks did not happen overseas. They happened domestically in my house. And I traveled and stayed at hotels, went to other states, and it was happening there too.

So it's just not one location. And it escalated, it escalated. Then I was diagnosed with traumatic encephalopathy, basically like post-traumatic brain syndrome. But there's no injury. There's no concussion. This is not a type of injury where you have mechanical trauma. This is energy. This is what they call non-kinetic weaponry.

And I, and this is how we met. Why would somebody like you be targeted? What were you doing? Were you dealing with other people in government or diplomats? have any reason to suspect that somebody would target you with something like this? No. I have no idea why I was chosen to be targeted and I have, I keep no government secrets. I never work for government. I don't know what the reason is. And I'm not doing it. So perhaps people who do it to me would know the answer.

So is this something that you believe happened to you one time and it had like a lasting residual effect? Or do you think this is something that happened you were targeted by some sort of weapon or something multiple times? Multiple times on ongoing basis. I just had two attacks this morning before I got on the plane. These are active attacks. And I, and experientially, they feel exactly the same.

The vibrations, the, all the symptoms are the same. And not only that, I have a brain scan that I did in April and did in October. So in six months, what this Tavana syndrome is also described as brain-comer. connectivity disorder. So it disrupts connectivity between neural nodes within the brain. And I have these broken connections, this called delta waves that you only experience, you're only supposed to have it during deep sleep. And I have them all over and these are basically non-functional connections between neural nodes. And since April to October of this year, I have 20% more.

There's no degenerative neurological disorder that behaves that like that. This is a very fast progress and because I'm having this daily active attacks. These are not functional episodes. These are active attacks that make me vibrate, make me disoriented. They're extremely painful. Sometimes I just have to go to the basement and screaming the pillow. It's extremely debilitating. I've been on medically for the last year.

It's hard for me to do any cognitive work. I work when I can. So when you say it's actively happening, you think that this is being something that's controlled, or do you think it is something that just has an effect that lasts over a long period of time and it happens sporadically at random times? I think that these are active attacks.

These are not residual. There's not functional episodes. So their episodes are not random. No, they're random. I can't predict when they're going to happen. They can happen. It can wake me up in the middle of the night. It can happen.

There's no pattern. There's no pattern. When you hear to, when you listen to, sorry, when you listen to newer weapon experts that Warner, warn us about these attacks, they call them intentional. So these are intentional attacks. These are not, the brain does not produce them. There's a school of thought that these are functional neurological disorder, but in fact, the brain injury from these energy attacks are classified as organic. So there's a damage to the brain.

So to answer this question scientifically would be, would take somebody to measure that energy coming into my brain. But the detection methods in the intelligence reports are classified. So I can't tell you that this energy is coming in. Because I'm not measuring it. Nobody is measuring, nobody is investigating it. But I guarantee you these active attacks. I'm the biggest skeptic. I'm scientifically minded.

I have no doubt that these are active attacks. There was a recent documentary on CNN, macula conception, where the doctor who is investigating, who's CIA, came down with the same symptoms. So it's kind of interesting. The doctors, they hired that you know, they are not even allowed to know. Talk directly to that thing.

That they do not even know that we've been working on the same weapons, directed energy weapons often referred to as do mind control weapons. Chinese are working on. The Russians in the U.S. have had them for a long time. But dial in lethality is what's happening oftentimes for those that show mild traumatic brain injury. It can be done through cavitation effects using sound waves, highly unlikely in the cubic and embassy attacks. And it can be done through microwave-directed energy if it's amplified. And in fact, there's something called the fray effect.

The Army had it on their website called V2K, and that's how a lot of people refer to it, that can pipe voices into someone's head. You can't plug your ears. It actually vibrates the brain, which is like many concussions, through the small pulses that expand the tissue and then contracts it, then goes to the inner ear where they can hear it.

If you just turn that up, it causes brain. damage, you're heating the brain. So there are a lot of ways, just a weapon, for example, that I think is reclassified now, but it was done at the University in Nevada as a non-lethal weapon that resonates the dopamine cells of your brain, producing cells of your brain, and it floods it. Now, at work, the Air Force reclassified it. flood your brain with dopamine? Yeah, dopamine dump.

And that incapacitates the adversary in a non-lethal way. Not totally non-lethal, though. If you have too much neurotransmitter in your brain, it's a neurotoxin. It will also cause brain damage. So brain damage can occur through these weapons that are non-lethal in many different ways. Do you have any way of describing or do you, is there any evidence anywhere that could explain something that's happening, like to describe what Len is describing is happening to him? Is there any sort of weapon that you're aware of that can do that? Sure.

It's very complex. But if you cognitively model someone, you have a brain print, like a fingerprint. And if you use autocorrelation techniques, and there's a way, and we'll just kind of wave our hand, functional MRI that you can do at a distance over the earth, you have every human being's brain pattern. You can control 8 billion brains on the planet, potentially read them, pre-crime. I mean, you can imagine during warfare would be useful for a number of objectives. So in that situation, you'd want it continuous. And you'd beam the entire earth over it.

You're like a cell phone. Your brain is a circuit. So if you're dialed in, once you have a cognitive model, you would never be able to escape it under the magnetosphere or ionosphere. It's worldwide. And you can ask a number of people in every country, is it happening in your country? and they're just like the exact same symptomology.

Other than the symptomology and the vast amount of people in government and so forth that experience these same symptoms, what other evidence do we have of technology like this? Well, I sent you some articles and papers. There are just many books. You can go on Google. The difference between, I just don't believe these diplomats are being hit by a drive-by microwave weapon. I think the brain damage is being done because the brain rewires itself more rapidly. Let's say if you lose your eyesight, then your hearing and taste and smell get better, your brain adapts faster.

during this adaptation process, you can insert an external signal, sort of like hiving brains together. Insert an external signal. Yes, an electromagnetic signal, and how would you do that? You might ask, and the details get very complex. But there are several patents that you can access that talk about inserting a signal in to the micro circuits and macro circuits of the brain. Now, you've got to know those patterns, the lock and key mechanism.

Otherwise, it won't affect you. It will only affect the target brain if the brain print fits. The brain print. Yeah, signature. Everyone has a unique one. And you ask, well, how do you broadcast us over the world? How do we talk nuclear submarines underwater? How do you explain this has happened?

to lend. How do you rationalize it? I can because one, it follows the symptomology, like I said, of all these others. But for me, I don't know if he wants me to mention this. Let me ask him in private. Hold on. Okay. Yeah. Can I talk? Um, here's how I do my studies. And I, I wanted to find the commonalities, but I have to throw away the ones I'm uncertain about that are true targets. You know, maybe there's natural schizophrenia. There's a whole bunch of chemical imbalances, etc.

Right. These weapons can actually induce and mimic all those diseases and effects. Um, but the conversations, the scripts they're called, are always the same. I've heard them all. They're slightly tailored for each individual, but they're scripts. And they're meant to confuse the very derogatory.

That's just typical breakdown. You know, you've ever been to boot camp? You're a worm until you're part of the team. And why would you want to break down the ego of that person to rebuild it? So this gets into creating mentoring candidates, split, personality, spies, and information couriers, people that will carry messages to other places without being aware that they're actually doing it. So you can imagine the misperception that is caused by this, and a lot of people, a lot of

the targets when they're interviewed, are tricked into believing evil aliens, abducted their brains. They're tricked. Yes. How are they tricked? They're told. By who? By the voices, the V2K.

So they'll say, we're the Russian government, we're the Chinese government, we're evil aliens, were Satanic ritual abuse. And I've heard all this stories. One guy believed it was some 14-year-old kid with an Xbox. that lived next door. The trickery really is that great when you're under hypnosis, that people will believe something other than a massive government could do this. And so anyway, you know, our in my interview with Len,

he very well described a typical breakdown script that's used on almost all the TI victims. T.I. stands for targeted individuals. Some of them are pretty crazy. They have names like Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz. And those are the confusion tactics. And when they're breaking down the ego, the human, through all the pains and tortures and the verbal breakdown, these are typical CIA torture scripts.

I mean, Kubark manual. And they do good cop, back cop, interrogation called Jeff and Mutt. And they go right through the list, right? Just textbook. So whoever the handlers are on the other side of this synthetic telepathy, they're following the handbook perfectly, and they've been trained. But why Len? And everyone asks that.

Why me? Every target. So sometimes they come up, oh, I cut some important guy off in traffic. He put me on a list or it's my ex-husband or something like that. Obviously, if you work for government, you're just like, well, obviously, it's the government. But you want a random sample of the population in all languages, all cultures, in order for a worldwide weapon of an AI system that can't. interact with every human brain, for example.

When you develop a new drug, well, you have a control group, and then you give the placebo, and then you have the actual drug experiment in order to do a double-blind study. So why me? I'm nobody. Well, that's exactly probably why they chose you.

Right. But if they're doing some sort of an experiment, like this and testing him, how would they gather information? How would they know about Len's symptoms and know how Len is feeling? How would they know it's working? You want to answer that? Yeah. I believe that there is a, it's a two-way.

By-directional. Bidirectional connection. And once again, it's called remote neural monitoring and intervention. There are patents around it. The, plus the medical, information that I produce is probably very relevant to them if it is in fact human experimentation without consent, which is violates Nuremberg, Geneva Convention, every human right. But that's a speculation on my part because I'm not the one doing it. It's been done to me

and I don't know why. I don't know who is doing it. What the purpose is? I can only speculate. Let me interject here. So a lot of the, not a lot, a few of the targets were true mentoring candidates. I tried to speak with Senator Clinton at the time. She wouldn't talk to us. And one of the reasons I wanted to bring this up to her is because someone was hearing her voice, antriloquism. And they believed she was the one torturing them.

And that's how you program. They're called programmed assassins. I thought you might be interested in that. And so if you're programming someone to go after, let's say, a political target, all you have to do is use voice morphing and pipe in the tortures, the pains, and 24 hours make it an artificial intelligence chatterbot too. And you'll drive the person crazy and they'll want to. to kill and stop the pain of the target, which they'll go after that person, be it their neighbor,

be it a lot of these school shootings. I think that you hear about on the news. They hear voices. And the news, you know, the mass news media, we'll just write them out. Oh, they're crazy. There's a story apparently about people seeing a white van. Or what, let me ask you this. What do the people who claim that Havana syndrome is like some?

fake thing that's like created by schizophrenics or whatever talking about crazy things. What sort of arguments are they making? They're using a pseudoscience that's kind of a tautology of psychiatry. If we find an abnormality and a person, we then classify it and then it becomes a disease. mental illness. Now the problem with that is if we're trying to hide a very sophisticated weapon, one that actually targets the mind, there's no way to use that model of science to explain it. You immediately are discrediting it. You're being a skeptic. You're not finding the alternative hypotheses. So the people that say these things, one, it hasn't been. One, it hasn't

been done to them. They haven't worked on the weaponry. They haven't done their research. And it's just, it's kind of a lazy mind. They just rather say, everyone's crazy, mass delusion, they think the sky is falling, et cetera. And that's just, you know, I don't, since I know they exist, and I've studied this for 20 years and worked on portions of it, I have very bad things to say about business people. Now, what did you, when you worked on programs for DARPA and the CIA, what sort of, you worked on neurotechnology? Is that right? Again, we're getting into a fine line about my background, what I can talk about, but EG controlled robots, you know, which is a project, robotic surgery and medicine, voice identification and morphism. And more,

technologies, natural language processing, signal intelligence of tanks, from satellites, things like that. But I can't talk directly about too much, about the very details of the advanced sensors and systems involved, if you can appreciate that. Well, you know, some of the greatest innovation in technology obviously comes from war and the military industrial complex. Are there any positive aspects of neuro technology and this type of technology that are being utilized or that are being developed? Oh, absolutely. You know, we go throughout history.

All technologies are neutral. Fire can cook food, kill bacteria, keep you warm, but it can burn down villages. So the war machine will almost always use it first for their advantage and keep as secret as possible. It's a great interrogation tool. Imagine having bloodless wars where you just fatigue your enemies. and they drop to their knees.

We use the voice to skull an Eldar long-range acoustic device in the Gulf War to say, this is all lay down your arms, and they believed it. So what is that? Can you explain exactly what that is, the L-RAD? El-Rad is a sonic, long-range acoustic weapon. The V2K is a microwave weapon. You can't plug your eardrums. You can't stop the sound.

Because it conducts shit to your brain. Yeah, and it makes it sound like it's coming. The sound or voice or music or whatever you want to play is coming right from the center of your head. So it works pretty well in war, and you can imagine other effects. You're getting brutalized, beaten up, all virtual. And the brain damage, unfortunately, they're going to have to work on. that. But otherwise you can literally traumatize an entire population. Okay, so are those good effects rather than guns? Perhaps. But there are other good effects. Imagine once the civilians

have use of this, like Elon Musk's neurolays, you can have more control of yourself. I feel like I want to be happy today or I want to have a communication with you. without using a phone. So synthetic telepathy is really around the corner. But, or, you know, we have to get the messaging teleinterverse structure working. What are your thoughts on Elon Musk's Nuralink? What do you, what is your outlook on that? I think he's going to be set up as a patsy for a lot of this experimentation

that's going on in the public. I've already seen it happening. Targeting individuals are very angry. point the finger at somebody. He's the perfect person to point the finger at. He's a rich man, so he's already suspect in some people's minds, even though this technology is very old, very old. What type?

The neuralink technology? Yeah. Yeah. Really? How old is it? I can track back at least synthetic telepathy or piping voices into people's head right around Kennedy's assassination, but about 1958 was the earliest tariff. it I could find.

And who was this? What was this situation? Can you explain this specific incident? Exactly like Len Byrd. Same thing. He wrote about it in a book. I don't remember the title of it. Exactly.

It really seemed to come online with a bunch of people in about 1976, the bicentennial of this nation. And there seems to be increases in the number of of people that have these complaints given bigger military budgets. Now, why there's a correlation there? I don't know.

You'll have to make your own speculation. But this isn't new. Havana Center, but it's not new by any means. It has a new name. It's getting recognition by the news. But honestly, it's been squelched. It's been covered up for many, many decades. Do you think, do you know if Elon has any sort of government

contracts with Neurrelink? No. As far as I know, he does not. He'll be approached, obviously. But what I think they're doing, like some of the projects I worked on in my time at DARPA became real big companies like Google and Facebook and etc. So I think it's a technology transfer. they can help civilian scientists, you know, come up with the ideas to make it look like it's new

and not the other way around, that the universities came up with it, and then it's, then they bought it from them. So I think, I hope Elon actually succeeds, because then this isn't imaginary stuff anymore. where people will then see, wow, we can really connect brains together and make hyper-intelligence. I sent you of that article from Duke University, a video of how they put brain chips and you don't need brain chips, but that's one way, one technology, into three monkeys connected their cerebral cortex. And in this experiment, they could prove that three monkey brains together acted up in, intuitively is one brain and was able to solve a problem that the individual monkeys were not able to solve.

And that's a really important finding. Now, can we extend that to entire population and help solve the world's problems? You know, we can't even fathom what a larger mind would look like. It's certainly not human. Wasn't there another experiment done where they connected like a human and a brain, a human brain and a monkey's brain? there was how do you know about that one um i heard about it there was a girl yes and an ape in the army experiment i think it was in the 60s i might have heard you talk about it maybe and uh and it didn't end well what they were trying to do

is cybernetically link and that's the term when you connect who was doing this study uh it was the army and one other group but I can't remember. And they were hoping, because they didn't break down the, it all comes together, so give me a chance here. They weren't able to break down

the ego of the ape or the girl, per se. So the brain's the young girl that was used as an experiment. Do we want to break down what? The ego. Ego, okay. So sense of self. We all have a sense of self. We believe we're set.

separated from everybody else. And even though we have two hemispheres of the brain, we believe we're one brain. Right. You know, it's an illusion, optical illusion, delusion of consciousness, design sciences. So what happened is when they put the girl in the cage, B.A. tore apart. They weren't, it wasn't able to recognize her as an extension of itself. And I believe this is part of the reason of the breakdown, the torture that TIs are experiencing, is they have to break down the ego in order to be part of a greater mind or mind controlled.

That's terrifying. Yeah, it is. A worldwide global brain. Now, Lynn, how many people have you spoken with or met that have you, are experiencing the same symptoms that you're experiencing? Hundreds. Hundreds. And what, when you went down to, was it Miami when you met with the doctor?

How many people has he seen that he's diagnosed? And what specifically, how specifically did he diagnose you? And were there any other neurological diseases that were similar or in the same realm as Havana syndrome? Or did he actually diagnose you with quote unquote Havana syndrome? syndrome. He diagnosed me with acquired neurosensory dysfunction. And that's the paper. That's the name of the paper that he published about Havana syndrome. So if you read it, he talks about 25 symptomatic. Maybe you can pull this up, Austin. What's his name? Hoffer. Acquired. Dr. Hoffer of the University of Miami.

Yeah. So he examined 25 symptomatic patients medevac from Cuba. and 10 of their roommates because these attacks never happened at the embassy. It always happened at the hotel or living quarters and they were in the same room. They never happened at the embassy. That's interesting. Never happened to the embassy. So people who experience symptoms and there could be other people, their roommates that never experienced it. And so all the people who experienced the symptoms were examined for signs of concussion. And they all had symptoms of concussion, even though they never had any physical trauma

to their head. And they all had severe vestibular. abnormalities and the severe the abnormalities were at the level of brain injury not just variation in within the population because the criticism was well vestibular tests are not really that precise and some people with anxiety could have vestibular abnormalities but not to this extent and Dr. Hoffer really explains it in his lecture, in his paper, Dr. Giordana, who was part of the team, confirms it.

Dr. Belband, who did a test of eye movement by applying this computerized method. And this is how they can tell the Havana syndrome type of, damage to the brain from a mechanical concussion. If you love diving into culture and comedy, like on Danny Jones podcast, playoff hockey is right up your alley. NHL on T&T has the best coverage, making every game feel intense and unpredictable.

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The eye movement test. But the damage, so the effect of the damage is the same, but there's no physical, like, abrupt. like there's no trauma. There's not physical trauma. There's no mechanical trauma. Did you mention the quantitative EEG? Yeah. So the same patients were sent to the University of Pennsylvania

and to the trauma center, and they were all done. They performed various tests on them. including fMRI, functional magnetic resonance imaging. There's specific type of MRI that shows connectivity in the brain called DTI diffusion tensor imaging, and they found abnormalities that once again, these specialists see in traumatic brain injury.

So the doctors who examine, this patient. They all in one voice tell us something happened to these patients and these are the findings and the findings are they constitute brain injury.

The critics of that say this is psychogenic illness and it's spread like mass hysteria. People under stress, develop this sensations and they all kind of repeat after each other and their brain kind of develops these patterns but none of these specialists and I spoke to Dr. Bartholomew who who wrote co-wrote a book about Tivana syndrome being mass hysteria and he admitted himself

in my conversation he said if there was if they were findings of brain injury, that would invalidate my hypothesis. Right. And so the doctor, but he never, he has never seen a patient with Havana syndrome. But all the doctors that saw the patients say these patients have brain injury findings. How many civilians are there dealing with the same thing? I would give from my estimate, low end around the world, and this is in every country that can use the Internet that can contact me minimum 10,000.

Minimum 10,000. So that means a lot more. Wow. And how many government workers or how many FBI, whatever, politicians, diplomats? The very first CIA agent that came forward and said, you know, I heard these crickets and this sound and my brain hasn't been the same sense. He's gone through the same process as Len Bear. Just block after block of government bureaucracy saying you're delusional. This technology doesn't exist.

And, you know, you don't have to go to the direct. Energy Directorate of the Air Force. We've been working on this for a long time with our NATO allies. And so a lot of the work on these concussion weapons, not only the weapons, are done under that directorate. Is anybody transparent about being? Who in government is being transparent about working on this kind of technology? Lynn has stories, but he can't mention names.

that's unfortunate but I can tell you that there was an investigative reporting in Zeit magazine which is a German publication they investigated Havana syndrome and they talked to a

prominent expert in the field of directed energy and who published a short article following the events and then he was

contacted by the DOD and by the Air Forces that he is not to speak publicly about it otherwise they will pull his funding and yeah that's part

of the way that you prevent leaks is it's a form of financial blackmail that will pull your funding if you talk about any of this openly. And is there any correlation between you and some of the other people that have been experiencing the same thing with timing of the attacks? Like are the timing of the attacks similar between different people?

Are people experiencing them at the same times? How are they being triggered? Specifically where? How are they being triggered? Yeah. It seems the ones that are severe, I call them, targets. Some of it's stress-related. You can tell there was a paper in the late 1970s by the DIA,

the Department of Intelligence Agency that said the Russians were trying to create a panic weapon that could kill a person, literally spook them to death by creating a runaway. process with the adrenal gland and increasing until blood pressure, any sort of weakness in their circulatory system, their heart would give out. And anytime we blame the Russians for something like that, you know we're working on it too. So it seems like oftentimes stress brings it on. And I've read that in some other papers.

but otherwise it's constant for these people. I mean, 24 hours, constant. They can't sleep, which even makes it worse. It weakens the brain. One, you know, sleep deprivation was a common torture tactic, interrogation tactic, and it breaks down the will. You're more easily suggestible. He said he has major delta brainwaves,

which that's a hypnotic state. which makes you more susceptible. One of the CIA's old weapons was called Rehick, remote hypnotic inter-cerebral control. A lot of people don't believe they can be hypnotized through, you know, when people think of hypnotism, they think of a watch going back and forth. No, that's not the actual definition of hypnotism.

It's in training the brain. So binoral beats, for example, on headphones, of your off by like 0 8 hertz, you're in the alpha delta brain wave length, and you'll actually see the brain under an EEG start to mimic that binaural beating. That's hypnotism. Now you can do it on a much grander scale

of the macro circuits, the main brain frequencies, or the micro circuits. So synthetic telepathy, actually you can induce different emotional states. Each part of the brain has different circuitry, different frequencies, different patterns. You can induce, you can mimic almost every illness and induce it. So when someone's classified, let's say, as manic depressive,

we can do that. We can make them happy for a day and then make them depressed for a day. And then the doctor will prescribe certain drugs for them, which will then do more damage to their body. But you can see why the population can't know about this. Let's just say everything I said is true. It would be the breakdown of religion. It would be the hierarchy. There would be no democracy.

You know, everything. Well, there are programs like this that have been declassified and been acknowledged by the government, like MK. Ultra. They acknowledge that was real. Operation Northwoods. Yeah. They recognize that that was a real thing. That was declassified. I mean, there's things that are sinister that the government has done that they admit to, but nothing happens.

A lot of people don't even pay attention to it. Right. Until it happens to them, and then it's too late. No one will help them. It seems like with MK Ultra, though, they were targeting more so prisoners. People that were in prison, big shot. I mean, obviously, when you think of MK. Ultra, there's people like Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson, who was the big mob guy? Famous mob guy who killed a lot of people.

I'm blanking on his name right now. but a lot of those people talked about how some of their contacts and the government probation officers were giving them LSD that's a real thing it's a real thing was on the masses

introduced to the United States and promoted but you're talking about specific events such as in San Francisco where they put a one-way mirror up and had prostitutes That's midnight climax. Yeah.

Yeah. Climax. That's another one. Yeah. And then Ted Kaczynski, he lived in my dormant Harvard, not at the same time. He was being experimented on in Harvard. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was Project Moonstruck. Project what? Moonstruck. Moonstruck. Okay. Stress program. That's a terrifying story. Yeah.

Isn't it? And even the, even the. the shooter in Vegas, he had FBI contacts, and that gets very murky. But the news never follows up on any of this. For example, I was in a suicide letter, the guy, Myron May, who shot up Florida State or University of Florida's library like 10 years ago. Anyway, he didn't kill anybody. but he shot people and then it was death by cop. He was a lawyer trained there, a successful black man,

and same symptoms of Blenberg. And his reasoning why he shot up the school was he needed news publicity to make sure people understood this was real and was happening. And so he mentioned my name in it, but he never tried to contact me. but he gave out seven packages in the mail and the FBI intercepted them all to make sure none of the information was what were in these packages just information just information so they held on to it the news stories sort of went away people just were left huh wonder why he did that and then what was this guy's name again um myron may Myron May.

Yeah. And he clearly talked about having the same exact symptoms of Len publicly. Yeah. And he left the video testimony. And then people, the FBI eventually led it through to the senders, the packages, and they posted it on the internet. So you can find his testimony unless Google's taking it down or YouTube or whatever. It's, they don't want copycats, basically.

So, oh, yeah, there it is. Oh, this is a, what is this like a CNBC news? Scroll down, Austin. Gunsman's motives remain unclear. See, and that's a lie by the media. Hours before he opened fire in Florida State University Library. Lawyer Myron May left a desperate voicemail for an acquaintance with his plea. I do not want to die in vain.

The message was part of a flurry of emails, text, phone calls, in which the former prosecutor laid bare his torment. he believed government stalkers were harassing him and using a direct energy weapon to hurt him. He said that he had sent packages to 10 people that would expose what he thought was happening to him. That's pretty scary. Maybe you remember the Navy Yards shooter. He used a sawed-off shotgun. Actually killed, I think, 13 people.

He had a clearance to get on a Navy. Navy base, and he wrote on his weapon, and the news pretends like they have no idea what's going on. My ELF weapon, that stands for extremely low frequency, which the brain operates on, which we also communicate with submarines with because it penetrates everything. So he was convinced the Navy was behind it, and he just went to revenge. He couldn't point the finger to stop it, So he just took it out on everyone on this. But it creates such frustration. A lot of these shooters are trying to get this media attention.

What is this, Austin? Oh, okay. What do you think it would take for the government to or for anyone responsible to be transparent and open about this? I don't think they can be because think of the atrocities and the lack of trust. I mean, that would happen. lack of trust of the government well I mean even more so that they're

socially engineering let's say gun rights well let's have all these spree killers go on shooting sprees and then the response of that stimulus would be take away guns you know it's a way to socially engineer

and so you say your government wouldn't do that well they very much in long term perspectives of how they want to shape the new world order or shape a UN, a single government-controlled. A vast majority of, I mean, I'm not sure if it's all of them, but I know that a vast majority of these public shooters, these school shooters, they were on antidepressants and a slew a different pharmacology and pharmaceutical drugs to help them deal with depression, social

anxiety, different things like that. Couldn't that be part of what is going on? It could. I would have to see their private psychological profile. And I told you, just because their own drugs doesn't mean anything to me. I have to interview them and see if they're being driven. It's called psychic driving. The Scottish world psychiatrist who did brainwashed.

Montreal University. I'm trying to pull up his name in my files. Anyway, he called Psychic Drive. These women would go into the hospital for mild depression. He would play a two-taped loop, just like these other breakdown processes. Your mother hates you, blah, blah, blah. I can't actually repeat how awful the scripts are they use. I compiled the list of a thousand negative things they say.

And I posted on Facebook and got away with it just because I put quotes around it. And they use this to break down the ego? Correct. Correct. And so they did that while they were in induced comas. I'm still talking about their brainwashing. So they're unconscious. So pseudo-unconscious.

Okay. And they keep them in a vegetative sort of sleep state. Okay. And I think it was probably in a delta or theta brain with dominant state. So they could hear all this negativity. And I think they gave them LSD too. And they were just trying to wipe. Oh, and electroshock.

So they were trying to wipe the brain clean so they could rebuild new memories. And one woman, it was funded by the CIA, the psychiatrist got his funding from that. And the woman sued. She won. But she lost half her life. Can't remember it. How to learn how to pee again, speak again, everything. So brainwashing works.

The reprogramming parts, what's interesting. And just to make it absolutely clear, I, do not have a diagnosis of paranoid or delusional disorder. I have a clean bill from my psychiatrist. The only thing that he suggested as a diagnosis is adjustment disorder, which means that I'm adjusting to this torture. Well, at what point did you decide to see a psychiatrist? Oh, at the very beginning because I was actually hoping that it was a psychiatric disorder because that way it can be treated. But it's not. This is, you know, I had to educate my psychiatrist, but he's a, he's a very smart. Actually, every single one of my physicians that take care of me,

auto-neurologist, neurologist, psychiatrist, primary care physician, And now Dr. Giordano in D.C. who also confirmed they all on the same page. This is my diagnosis. I just remembered the brainwashing doctor's name is Dr. Ewan and Cameron. Dr. Ewan Cameron. And he's Russian? No, he was American Scottish. Oh, okay.

And this kind of funding goes on all the time, and we often do it in other countries. A long list of human experimentation by the National Institute of Health. I actually saw my neighbor this morning. My neighbor worked for Honeywell for over 25 years. He worked for Honeywell. And I sort of briefly ran the, told him who I was talking to today on the podcast. And I talked about Havana syndrome. And he said, oh, yeah.

he goes he goes that's 100% real he's like I know we've worked on weapons like that and so I know they work on that on those weapons at Raytheon he said yeah I can't talk about that but yeah he's right you can't talk about it yeah but you can confirm that I can confirm I can confirm that's all how you for people like you and your colleagues going to school studying artificial intelligence, what percentage of you got? Are you guys, when you guys are doing that, do you guys have aspirations to work for the military, work for the CIA to be spies? Like what? No, I was a scientist. I mean, and I worked on advanced surveillance equipment and other things. As a scientist, you just want to be working on cutting edge science. You don't, and you believe you're doing

your country of favor and eventually be used for good. And that's part of how you get. funding from the Senate for billion-dollar projects, is you have to have dual purpose, one for civilian uses and one for military. And we don't really think of the implications for the negative part. We just want to work on new cutting-edge stock. And it's also compartmentalized on the most part. So a lot of people don't know how they're putting together. a bigger weapon system.

They just work on a piece of it. Isn't Facebook working on, weren't they working on something called the empathy machine or something like that? Something I was, I think I talked about. Yeah. Yeah. What is that?

That is, if you can induce these emotions, touch, torture, whatever, in a way, it's kind of a beautiful thing. have a partner and they say something that hurts their feelings, you say something that hurts their feelings, you get to feel how they're feeling and vice versa. So if you punch someone, you're going to

feel the same pain what they do. That's called the empathy machine. But now imagine if you go beyond two people, let's go to a hundred people. Every time someone stubs their toe, they all feel the same pain. It would feel like random torture. to everybody. Well, who stub their toe? I can see that the first application, the most obvious thing I could see this thing going to is pornography. Yes. Yeah, they already have, you know, sort of virtual machines for. Right. If they could, if they could somehow make, you could buy a subscription to some sort of pornography and make every single guy watching this thing happen, you know. Okay. Now, I don't know what I'm.

I mean, this is already being used. I mean, if you talk to the victims, the TIs, one of the worst breakdowns, and it's pretty common. I think I can say the word simulated rape and forced orgasm. You can say anything you want. This is the internet. Oh, okay. And so simulated orgasms and rape is extremely common. Right.

Especially violating for women. They complain about that torture breakdown. most. But you're right. What's the positive views? Where is it the most lucrative? Where is it the most financially beneficial? Like where can you make the most money in this thing? You think that would be the most obvious first? That would be the first. Yeah. But think of the problem. We would have to be regulated because we know the seven pleasure centers of the brain. And let's say we don't have to stick in electrodes. We use ultrasonic helmet like the University of Arizona is doing to target certain parts of the brain, you just sit there and press the button all day over and over.

There's a story of a woman that, what's the story? There was a story of a woman who was in the hospital. Something was wrong with her. You may know, but she had a button. Every time she pressed it, it made her orgasm. And she was just doing it and doing it and doing it until she was basically a vegetable. Yeah. You eventually quit eating.

You die. So the government would have to step in to regulate this somehow. And I don't think a lot of my research just focuses on the negative. They're tortured people, the target, the breakdown. They're the most vocal. They're the loudest. But there is a classification of weapon system called the voice of God. And I've met some of these people.

Sorry, a classified weapon system? It's just the categorization called voice of God weapons. It's anything you can make someone here, believe it's God. And these are real? Yes. These are publicly? There's Newsweek wrote about them. Okay.

It's been out for a while. Voice of God weapons. Voice of God. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. And so I've run into people randomly who believe they're talking to God. God doesn't have a voice. I don't think.

I don't know what he sounds like. but they're convinced and they'll do whatever this voice tells them and that's the dangerous part that's another form of trickery God wants you to go on a killing spray outside some people would do that you're one of God's army so you can see how this broad swath all over the world not only is it experimental it could be very much a secret army of a And so I called them program assassins. But the positive part, the voice of God, it worked in the Gulf War's Gulf War when we said Allah lay down your arms. That's a voice of God weapon.

Okay. Is this, and you can't talk about or can you talk about this is something that you were involved with? A little bit. A little bit. Who was Dr. Is this something that Dr. Jose Delgado? talked about. And who was he and what specifically

did he work on? Dr. Jose Delgado. He was known as the father of brain chips. And so he was from Yale University and he did a lot of brain experimentation, stuff

that is unethical. We wouldn't allow today per se. But we made progress of understanding the brain. He would actually wire up people. His most famous experiment was with a bull. He implanted bull with a radio frequency chip, and he could make a bull stop from charging by pressing a button.

And that impressed everybody quite a bit. Wow. But that's using brain chips. Where was he in the United States? Yeah. No, no. But you don't need chips anymore. Okay, this is him with the bull.

Yeah, there he is. Dr. Jose Gildata delgado steps into the Spanish bullring as a bold demonstration of his research. A risky behavioral control demonstration. And he was working with the government? He had a famous quote, didn't he? Yes, he did. Let's see he bring up the quote. Mankind does not have a right to develop his own.

Austin, pull up his quote. So what was Delgado work? What did he do? Where was he working from? Was he working in one of the universities here? Yes, he was working at Yale Medical School. And he would insert wires into people's brains. And, you know, there's always two sides to this story.

Okay, here it is. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. The kind of liberal orientation, this kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. we must electrically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be in control by electrical stimulation of the brain. Hmm. And that was in the 60s, I believe.

Whoa, that's heavy. We've come a long way since. Yeah, I mean, if people were openly talking about that in the 60s, where are we now? And where are other nations like China and Russia and Iran? We boycotted recently like over 100 countries from doing companies in China because they were working on mind control technologies. So, you know, it's very much out in the open, but it's just people don't want to recognize their soul, so to speak, can be touched. They're very ego, their sense of self can be altered.

They're not in control of their own emotions. that means if you don't have free will or autonomy or choice, democracies don't exist. That means religions don't exist. That means a whole bunch of things. Markets can be shaped, moved up or down at will based on people's preferences. It's total domination of the world. That's how important and why it's kept so secret. I think it's the ultimate weapon because if you can control the people with their fingers on

nuclear weapons, you're one step ahead. So this is kind of the end game. It's full control of the human mind. And at scale. At scale, that's right, of the world. It's kind of hard to even wrap my mind around. It is. Something bigger than yourself is always hard to imagine. And so that's why the monkey brain experiments that they were doing at Duke. We can't fathom, but us three, if our brains were connected at the speed of thought, could come up or think about. We have to use vibrations from our throat, deciphered through our brains, through our ears, and then talk.

You know, it's kind of an outdated form of communication amongst brains. Well, I mean, think about if something like NeurLink actually came onto the market as a consumer product that people could get this neural net put inserted into their brain and they could give them the ability to learn new skills instantaneously or download books within seconds or the advantage economically would be astounding. Yes. Make Mother's Day even more special. at Whole Foods Market. Kick off brunch or dinner with quality cheese and charcutory

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You would almost assume that the government would be able to control. Have some level of control over this? It would have to. And that's why they're kind of experimenting. What are the potential downfalls? We have a term of mine viruses. How do memes pass? Mind virus.

Could you hack, if all the minds were connected, could you insert a virus that might shut down the human race? That's fascinating. You know, the term mind virus, I've used that, and I've heard it used a lot when it comes to things like QAnon. Are you familiar with Q&O? I heard of them, yeah. So there's a group, it's basically it's a group of people online who follow this a non-examination. poster on these, these threads,

these like, uh, forums. And, uh, this guy pretends to be like a, he pretended to be one of Trump's right hand guys. And he would make these anonymous posts talking to all these people and all

these people called him Q. And they thought that this guy was real. This guy was one of the people right next time. He'd make these cryptic anonymous quotes. And there was this, there was this like super hyper, um, just like,

hyper passionate group, political group of people who follow, who were Trump supporters and they believed that this Q person was going to save them and giving them these directives of what was going to happen next and to be prepared for the storm that's coming and that led to the capital being raided. And they find all these little things. They find like something Trump said during one of his speeches and okay, that sentence means this. That means we have to storm the capital and they keep finding all of these single things. And they keep finding all of these sing. synchronicities online and they think they mean something more. Humans look for meaning and purpose and we find it in strangest places. It's like looking at clouds. We'll see shapes. Is it chaos or is it order? It almost seen that, I mean, if anything seems like a mind virus, something like that seems like it's a mind virus.

But it really affected, if you look at the people it affected, it affected a certain type of people. It affected certain people that were lonely, didn't have a lot going on, didn't have some sort of larger sense of a community, they didn't have big families. Sometimes it was

like a woman living alone in an apartment and her kids weren't even living with her anymore. People that just had just sort of like misfits. They all had a very similar social life and social intelligence. So how would

you build, if you look at us community, the whole human race, maybe the planet is a whole organism, how would you build an immune system to fight against something like that? Now, I do not believe in censorship myself, but how would you stop the flow of a mind virus? So they're experimenting with things like that. Interaction with other human beings, not through screens, not through social media. I feel like the more people are just accustomed to like, again, this is another one of the commonalities between these people is they, all their communication with other humans was through a phone or through a computer. They didn't spend time like this having conversations with people. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

You're full of shit. Like, are you serious? But like, like, like having somebody actually poke holes in what they're saying and question what they're talking about instead of it just as it's just this echo chamber of the same idea is bouncing back and forth. Yeah. I fully agree that it's an aquac chamber. There are other terms like medic viruses, memes that turn into viruses. You're familiar with those that get posted around. But, you know, the utopia, the kind of angle that people, the visionaries see with this technology,

they know that transhumanism can't be stopped at this point, but they want to take the safest route. So a lot of these experiments are unfortunately sacrifices that will have the future generations. And that's kind of their internal marketing ploy of why they must do it. And there's a race between, you know, the three major countries, who's going to have the best AI, whose culture is going to survive, whose money is going to dominate, whose, you know, language is going to dominate. and so this is very competitive field in the military right now. Who can collect the most minds the fastest, build the biggest hive mind network.

And so my next book is called, it's not published yet, it's called Emergent Minds, The Birth of a New Species. And that's under the three books that I've written of, and cybernetic warfare revealed. And it's going to be about kind of these architectures, topologies of humans, nodes, computing units, very cold the way it's described. But I'm trying to bring out the ethics of all this. The human race has to have a discussion. And this has to be on the mainstream media.

Havana syndrome. Well, what is it? They don't seem to care. They're hushing it. They don't. We know what it is because it's been around so long. We know the type of weapons used. Well, there's no financial incentive for them to talk about it either.

True, other than being good reporters. Right. But that's not an incentive anymore. No, no, it's not an incentive anymore. So the big question is how this energy, is delivered. So National Academy of Sciences in 2020 issued a report about this Havana syndrome incidents or anomalous health incidents as the government wants us to call it. And the most plausible hypothesis is directed pulse microwave energy. So that's the causative agent. That's what causes

the brain damage. Directed pulse microwave energy. Yeah, pulse is very, very important because if you just microwave, it just hits up. But short pulses produce that thermal elastic effect. So the tissue is just expanding and collapsing in that way it hits up just enough to induce damage or produce that audio, that fray effect to hear sound or modulated voice. voices, things like that. So Pulse is very important in this scenario. But that report did not say how it can be delivered. And when you look at the 60 Minutes report,

they show these devices that can fit into a small car or maybe backpack or a truck or a van. But that's an outdated technology. I question, and Robert made me question whether it is a local source. You know, somebody sits in a van and shoots a microwave at you. So we took a trip to West Virginia where there's a radio, national, quiet zone. So there's no cell towers. There are no, there's no Wi-Fi.

There's no cell phone only receive a satellite signal. There's no phone signal. No phone signal, no Wi-Fi. And we got inside, the reason they created that zone is because there's a deep space telescope

radar, basically, that receive signals from deep state. So they don't want any interference. The zone one the closest to these radars is actually has a radio police that monitors the signals. They don't allow cars with ignition because it produces electric. Wow. Electromagnetic signal. So I got next to the biggest radar and got attacked.

So people that, you know, there's no van outside. side. So when you got to this place, you experienced one of the attacks. You experienced one of the attacks. You have to walk there. There's no, because, you know, can take a car. So when several miles got there, was attacked. So definitely not a local effect.

It's coming from somewhere. And you have a satellite signal, but you also have things like harp that can, A harp stands for a high altitude Aroral research project and it's a one of the world's largest phased arrays it's used for weather modification steering Weather modification well that's one of the things that can do what is weather modification oh steering hurricanes

you know for more for yeah yeah you heat the ionosphere and you You can guide the weather. That's just one of the things. This is a thing? Oh, yeah, pull it up. And what's it called? Harp. H-A-R-P.

And you can steer hurricanes. Well, they don't actually, they just say weather modification. What does that mean? Yeah. I mean, I guess the mind can get creative. But it operates also as an over-horizon radar system, tech missile launches in Russia, for example. Because I've been hit by about a dozen hurricanes since I've lived here.

Oh, yeah. I wish they would control them a little better. Exactly. And so, you know, you were asking what is some of the good tech that could come out of this? Why aren't they steering the hurricanes away from the coast? Maybe the Russians are doing it. We always blame everything on the Russians. but it has a lot.

It's also often by Dr. Nick baggage focused on mind control over populations. What it really does a lot of at least the air, and it's run by the Air Force Army and Navy, it heats the anonosphere. which causes the current radar signals, ultra-high-frequency waves, to be able to cover the Earth. Now, there is an electric gradient between ground,

the Earth, and the ionosphere, ions. And then we are bathed in a magnetic field. Those two perpendicular fields, a lot of high-energy things, such as nuclear magnetic resonance imaging occurs. We have turned the earth into one giant MRI machine. So we can image underground bases. We can do a lot of things that people don't believe.

They'll say the Boltzman, I won't use scientific. They'll say the thermal effect. You can't do MRIs under Earth's magnetic. natural magnetic field. We've been doing it easily since the 60s and universities. So a recent article came out, wow, we can recover dreams and play them back. And we can read the inner vocabulary of somebody, what they're thinking, talking to themselves with their inner voice, using a functional nuclear magnetic resonance imaging machine, you know, like in a hospital.

But that's a higher higher resolution, but they just use new algorithms to do it. And it was very accurate for a bunch of people, which is interesting. They say it's new.

I mean, it's obviously not new, but... Or they can read people's inner thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. So you have a... You think, as you, I don't know how you read,

some people read or think in images. We can read the images. Some people think in words. And it's about saying, 60% to 40% of the population does one or the other. And it's able to decipher each one. Yeah. Yeah.

So some people will go through a grocery shopping list. Apple. I need toilet paper. I need to say that. And they think in the words. Those can be deciphered. Other people think the image when they create those lists. And so each one.

is a brain signature. And when you have a sample over a large enough population, you get just like Amazon's Echo. You can more sample, voice samples they have.

And I worked on voice sampling technology way back when. Now it's so good. I mean, Alexa, it's just amazes that it can understand human language without any practice. Right. Because they've had so many samples.

Well, similarly, we need more brain samples, and that's part of the reason, I think, for a lot of this experimentation on the public, random people. I'm trying to link it all back together. So, Len, when you went to West Virginia and you went to this place that had no connection to any cell towers, there was no phone signal anywhere, and you had this attack, what specifically happened to you?

Like, what, what, what, can you walk me through how these attacks, like how they affect you, what happens, how long they last, et cetera? Just like I said before, it, it starts very suddenly, it's vibration, it's high pressure in the, in the head, and your whole body vibrates, definite sound, it, you get disoriented. Your whole body. Can you describe the sound that you hear? Is it like someone in the cartoons hitting a pot around your head? It's like high, high-pitched electronic tinnitus.

Yeah, like tinnitus. Yeah, tinnitus. But suddenly on, suddenly on, suddenly off. And it just grabs you and you also hear voices. The voices, V2K is a part of it. Eden Havana syndrome. I sent you that clip. The very first reporting by CNN, they said that people hear noises and voices.

And after that, there was no, it was not part of any reporting. But the very first report on CNN contained that information. So, and people think that hearing voices is a sign of psychiatric disorder. but it just takes a little bit of education to understand. This fray effect, this microwave hearing has been around for a long time, has been known, and voice modulation has been demonstrated in the 70s. There's published literature about it that you can modulate the signal and it produces... Dr. Lent from the University of Chicago.

Dr. Lynn from the University of Chicago. He has a setup where he demonstrates the microwave hearing effect that he pulses it. The person who's standing in the middle of the signal where it's focused can hear it. And he does it on himself. And that scares me. I mean, he's heating up his brain listening to these clicks, these chirps. They're called by the CIA or the diplomats, I'm sorry, that get hit.

And yeah, that's a sign of the microwave hearing effect. And it creates small little micro concussions over time. And what specific voices? What do the voices say? All the derogatory stuff, and I don't want to acknowledge it, don't want to give it credence, but it's one of those kind of shaming, derogatory,

very negative um um just yeah if you have everyone has an ego they will go through

the most uh common ones first you know let's say you're a woman and you're concerned about your your breast size well they'll go after that or um

so they go they're going at individuals specifically. Yeah. And so, your specific insecurities. Yes. But first they have to do a broad approach to find out what your insecurities.

It doesn't seem like time or cost effective. They. How would you go about, if you were doing this to millions of people, how would you have scale it? How would you have the time to go through each person, find out this person's overweight, this person is short, and be able to specifically. tailor a voice to them. I'll explain that.

Think of it as a lie detector machine. It knows your stress levels. They can read them. You can do that for many different brain signals, but the P300 is a recognition signal, for example. It's just a term that's used for a specific strong effect after a stimulus. There's recognition. But if it's a lie detector test,

Whatever. Polygraph. Polygraph, we'll say those, you can defeat those with a little practice. Of course. Yeah, polygraphs are bullshit. Yeah, they're total bullshit. But you can imagine, okay, so there's some form of a lie-tech test. But maybe it uses heart rate and, you know, can measure, you know, some other factors other than necessarily neuronal ones.

But whatever bothers you, it will continue. you doing. So let's say this is a robot, chat bot that's very convincing. Voice morphing. And we've sampled, we're the NSA, we sampled your

I don't know anything about your family. So hopefully your great grandfather, he's dead, right? So we can bring him back to life. We can use his voice. We can voice morph him and we can project it,

and we'll say using the microwave hearing effect with a robot. We will go through, it doesn't matter if you had a good relationship with them or bad, we're going to turn them into a bad guy. I'd say, you know, you're going to respect them or something. I know this is a off-the-wall kind of scenario, but they make it much more personal than that. So whose voice do you hear?

Tell them. My family. Your family's voice. My family. They live in Germany. They speak Russian and German. I speak Russian, bad Russian now, and English. So all my V2K is in Russian.

It is, yes. It's multi-language. It's my mother, my father, my brother, and his wife. And they all talk about my lifestyle choices. everything, everything, all, everything derogatory and I know it's not them. It's artificial intelligence because nobody talks 24-7 because my V2K is 24-7. I sleep in noise canceling headphones and I play voice, audio books nonstop. So my brain would concentrate on that rather than on what's being projected into my brain. Does it help at all? What helps?

what helps you cope with this most? What have you done? What have you tried? Distracting. Distracting. Sometimes I have to use my own voice. I have to talk to somebody. The second it stops, the second the silence begins, the voices come back.

And they also use something like, if you have some kind of white noise, like a fan or a, um, um, AC. Yeah. It rides on it. It's piggybacks on those frequencies. It's called EG heterodyne. So the nerve cells from your ears to your brain can also be stimulated. So if there's a nice background noise, broad spectrum, it can even be pink noise,

which means lower noise spectrum. It can amplify a recognition signal, like a voice. I was like using the talking guitar. Remember that song? Who does that? And it's a guitar that sounds like it talks to the audience. I'm spacing who does that. But it was very unique at the time.

What it's doing is it's heterodyining, a voice signal onto the guitar. Well, now imagine heterodyning someone's voice onto nerve signals of the background noise. and that's what's going on with projecting voices into, let's say, fans, refrigerator noises, street noises. But my favorite one that I heard about was a woman who could hear voices, and this was on television. She ended up doing some bad things, but she could hear Rice Krispies talk to her. And it was like, oh, yeah, that's background.

noise. That would make sense. So this, it's, it's, it's eerie. It's something you have to experience. And I was going to make a machine to do that, to try to demonstrate it to the common man. And I just, you know, I have so many projects I'm working on, never got around to it. But it, it's hard to mention that somebody would do something like that to you. But it is, and, you, and, you, it is, and, And the first thought that probably comes to your mind is that there's something wrong with me psychiatrically. I mean, this is, if I didn't know about the existence of this technology, this would be my guess. That this person developed delusional disorder.

This is a paranoid schizophrenia. But first of all, nobody develops paranoid schizophrenia in the 50s, in their 50s. This is, you know, if you haven't developed it by 30. it's a lot. Then this technology exists. These nefarious

programs exist. And it's hard to imagine for a person that why would you do something like this? But if you think about the new type of warfare, it's a cognitive warfare.

It's a cognitive warfare. You can't, you don't have to kill people that you are fighting against. You can just degrade their brain. You can you alter their minds?

Yeah, alter their minds. Personality. And it's like Chinese torture. I mean, this, yeah, okay, so whatever, they're talking to your head, just ignore it. You can't. It's 24-7. It's non-stop. And it's accompanied by these attacks

that make you so vulnerable. Read them the definition of directed energy weapons. Oh, you may not have it in front of it, but it's kind of interesting. You can pull it up. I send it to you to, uh, the definition of directed energy weapons. Systems. Systems. And what they, they say in this particular definition was interesting that it's disablement of personnel. Now, Now, how could you disable a person? Okay, most people think directed energy, a laser beam. Okay, you burn them a few times.

That's not really disabling them. Making them dysfunctional. That would be scrambling their brains. That would be dopamine dumps. That would be making, you know, concussion weapons. They would be somehow affecting their nervous system. So they drop on the ground. So it's a combination of psychological warfare as well as Directive Energy weapons, along with the voice of God weapons, with voice and working, with artificial intelligence chatterbots.

It's the most complex weapon system we have put together ever as a species. Wow. And do you think this is something that the United States is working on because other nations are? working on it as well? Is it a competitive thing? It's very... Is it like a, just a, uh, an internal governmental control thing? It was something called Project Paperclip where we split up German scientists. Operation paper club. Operation Paper. Yeah, I'm familiar with it. We talk about all the rocket scientists we got, you know, put them into NASA and other programs. We don't talk about the Nazi scientists. Yeah, we don't

talk about the mine scientists we got. Those were kind of classified. That's where a lot of this research started. Now, if we got half of them, so did the Russians. So it's been a, we compete with, you know, our intercontinental ballistic missiles. Of course, we're going to compete with cognitive warfare, total control of the mine.

CIA agent called Mark Phillips. He's unfortunately passed away. He did a lot of work. on exposing this type of world domination through psychological warfare. And he also helped a woman whose name is, oh, Kathy. Well, I can remember his Kathy. And she, and he helped her out of the program, deprogrammed her and some other things.

And they wrote a book together. It's very popular. um um yeah that's about all i can say for now when uh when you talk to other people who have experienced the same thing you have and that are going through the same thing do you guys do anything to or or do you guys talk about things to do to be proactive in sort of mitigating the effects of this happening from to you guys and to people in the future to multiple people. Is there a way to deter this or is there a way to avoid this from happening? This has to become a political issue. The politicians have to, the government first. First of all,

the government has to acknowledge that this is happening to civilians, not just to the diplomats and spies overseas. It is happening domestically. My case can be swept under the drug. I have every expert that I've seen, I have a validated case as validated as those diplomats that are listed in the intelligence report. The latest intelligence report on the subject was issued on February 1st of this year. It's a joint report of the Office of DNI, Director of National Intelligence and CIA. And they said two dozen cases, we can't explain. And the most plausible explanation is directed pulse microwave energy.

I am exactly in that category. My case is valid, validated. I have brain damage. I have vestibular damage. And the agency that's supposed to investigate it is the FBI. because I'm a civilian, it's happening domestically. They ignore it. They, I went to my congresswoman.

She brought an inquiry to the FBI, and they basically responded with a nonsensical letter. That's something that, there are no facts that any law is broken or something, or it's under our jurisdiction. I am a civilian. My brain is accessed remotely and damaged on the regular basis. In three and a half years, you look at my brain scan and it looks like a battlefield.

All those delta connection, all this broken connection, the connectivity. My vestibular organs are shut. If I close my eyes, I stand up, close my eyes. I will fall. So he asked, what? else we're doing in order to stop this. And a lot of us do research. Jammers on certain frequencies,

on certain patterns, seems to help some. Jammers. Jammers. That means with the electromagnetic signal, electro and magnetic in the LF wave, range or other ranges people have found, it gives them some relief.

It blocks the tinnitus. Even though they're not a targeted individual, what could explain a frequency or set of a pattern, an algorithm that would turn off tinnitus for people? I mean, great, you know, you were talking about economic advantage. I mean, even if it has nothing to do with this, half the public suffers from tinnitus. or teninous, as you like to call. And we protested. When I say we, I mean, the people that I represent in front of the White House

and, you know, writing all the congressmen. Every imaginable thing you can imagine getting hold of newspapers and writing the FBI, which is funny. yesterday. There was an article or a piece that came out. It said the FBI is now being attacked by the... Right. In Miami, right?

Yep. You sent me that. Right. And the attorney who represents victims... I sent you that article, by the way. Mark's aid. He repeatedly, he had several statements and about... this being a government cover-up.

And what he means by it is that the government knows what's going on. And the government would not acknowledge any domestic cases needed with a federal, happening to federal employees or civilians. And the government needs to acknowledge it. Then it needs to investigate it and it needs to stop it because I am a part of general public. And my message is, if it can happen to me,

my brain can be remotely, accessed and damaged, it can happen to anyone. Because I'm literally nobody. I'm just happened to be on the radar. They probably got a sample of my DNA and DNA has resonant frequency. This is just like a tuning fork. It will vibrate if the frequency is correct. Well, every molecule has a resonant frequency. And DNA is just another molecule. that unique to you. Therefore, the resonant frequency is also unique to you. So just like we can find from a satellite scanning and, you know, visually, we can, I think in the

70s they were bragging, we can see a license plate from a satellite. But it doesn't have to be a visual. You can just scan for frequency. You can find that frequency like you, like just like you can find. your cell phone anywhere on the planet because we have full satellite coverage we have we have access through this uh that's the best analogy i've heard is put all your cell phones in a big bag why does it's only one ring because of resonance frequencies everything is residence and that's what what do you mean why is only one if you put all your cell phones in a bag and you

and someone dials the phone number uh only that phone number uh only that phone number number will bring. Why is that? And so people kind of wonder, how can you target a single human or a single brain amongst the whole room of people? And that's just a good analogy. You guys were talking about something about twins, about maternal or paternal twin. Oh, yeah. I was just saying, the same DNA. If they have, that theory is correct. And it's a theory because I haven't studied it, that you can tune in alter DNA patterns, and I don't see why not. You couldn't do that, but you would,

the first thing I do is go find, you know, identical twins, find out if they are being targeted when they're in the same room, you know, or you can find a pair that one is targeted and one is not. And why would that be to have identical DNA? So it's still a theory at this point that he's projecting. Yeah, it's a speculation. And the other way to find somebody by their brain signature also, just you scan the area and whatever resonates, you get the signal back.

That's your target, and you apply that energy to that. target which is a human brain. Yeah, there are actually several modalities and methods and tactic and techniques that we can use to alter brain patterns and stimulate the nervous system. It's usually done on monkeys. You can find the research from the Navy and other organizations that sponsored some of these horrific things on life that feels pain. And, you know, our history isn't that great, isn't pleasant when things are exposed.

You know, there are a hundred other things going on that haven't been. So the idea with individuals in specific people like Len, people like the lawyer in, I think it was Tallahassee. is that you can use this sort of artificial intelligence voice in the head to break down the ego and control an individual to perform certain acts. Ultimately, yes. And in Project Soul Catch, I referred to a Myron May as a Psycho Bomb. they didn't care who the target was. They were just trying to make them explode and do something bad.

And if the problem is, if these people do explode and do something bad like this, there's absolutely no way to prove that there has been any sort of manipulation to the brain. In this guy's case, he talked about it. I mean, obviously he talked. But it was covered up by the name. The way they write the article,

he sounds like a crazy person. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of plausible deniabilities and direction. That's another fascinating thing with the CIA is the use of conspiracies to sort of create stigma around certain things, certain technologies or certain topics. Whether, for example, if they are working on something, they want to create stigma and create conspiracy theories around certain things to sort of use. use that as a weapon against that idea. Yeah.

And in fact, uh, the homeland security now, Biden has weaponized them that, if, that there are dangerous conspiracies and we got to stop these and right. That's another.

Yes. So your broadcasts, we may all be arrested. I don't know. This might be a dangerous conspiracy. Or we're telling the truth and we're saving lives because knowledge. Have you have knowledge ahead of time, Lynn? Would you have gone through as much pain?

I mean, you would have been able better to cope early on. So we're trying to spread awareness and knowledge of you know that it's a machine and not your actual family, let's say, berating you. And mind control is so powerful in these weapons and voice the God. I mean, we are, you have no ability to discern like looking at a computer, television, what goes into your mind, it is directly stimulating those neurons to think that. So I mean, it's taking, is bypassing your peripheral vision. Some people can see their third eye, and that's called in psychology, the visual workspace.

Some people can smell artificial things, taste artificial things. All the senses have been bypassed. like in the moon of the matrix. They're literally plugged in to a synthetic controlled reality that they cannot differentiate from their external bodily senses. Do you have any reason to believe that organizations like the CIA have used stigma as a tool to discredit these kind of conversations? It's unfortunate. We've, we had laws, I think, passed on the 70s that siops by our military

Pentagon, CIA, etc. could not be done to the American public, because that's kind of ruining the whole idea of democracy. But that was reversed after 9-11 and some other events since. So I don't, I mean, it's just the game of war, war games that all countries play with each other. And of course, they're going to do it. I just don't like that they're doing it to my population. And is there evidence that they've been doing it? Yes. It's everywhere.

And what I do a lot of times, what I do in my research, because I'm, A scientist is I'll go through the patent office, let's say. And there's obvious economic, good science that's going to lead somewhere. And then a big black space. I look in those black spaces. Why isn't there more research there? It went dark. The patents were pulled.

The research went dark. There are a lot of examples that, and this is the biggest. one for me that woke me up from the matrix is this technology is world changing and people are complaining about it everywhere that the news won't cover it i mean that is a huge cover up and it's all and all they have to say is you're crazy and then the response is well maybe you're just dumb you know there are two forms of uh you can be an ultimate skeptic which will get you nowhere. You can be totally, you know, gallible.

And those are two extremes. And just do, you know, your research. You'll see all this. What do you think, Glenn? I think the biggest problem is people can't imagine how much this neuroscience advanced, how much it matured, what the possibilities are. It is often described as science fiction, but it is totally real.

It's real, and every neuro weapon expert from Giordano to McRae to Christian and their colleagues are saying, this is no longer science fiction. This is a reality you have to accept, and we have to deal. with it, that the civilian population is attacked. The technology exists. Your brain can be accessed remotely, damaged remotely, and we need to have a public conversation about it. Let me ask you, Danny, don't you think Hollywood and a lot of movies and et cetera

are slowly getting the next generation ready to accept this? kind of technology. There are so many movies made about it, but they're in the realm of science fiction. It would be a good way to make someone like Elon Musk, the scapegoat, for example, we just develop this technology. And so, and maybe it can cure mental illness. This is my hypothesis. They're going to stop it one day. They're going to say, we have neuro technology that can retrain the brain out of its dysfunctional patterns. Suddenly, they just, you know, they quit torturing the people, the TIs, and they don't do anymore. And they just say, well, it's because we found a cure. And that's how they're

going to excuse all the past atrocities. This is called amentacost, which is Menticide, the killing of the mind, and it's done on a mass scale, a Mentecost. And I think they're going to get away with it. I really do. I know that's depressing, but I don't think we're going to be able to expose this because it will create anarchy if people believe it. How many weapons, how many different projects like this? are going on right now that are completely hidden from the public that the public has no idea about.

So things like what we're talking about right now, people are aware of it. People have been aware of it for a while. People have been talking about Havana syndrome for a while. Nothing has been done really. But I mean, things like this people are at least aware of. How many more things are there beneath the service that people don't have any idea about? They're all interconnected. I mean, wars about ultimately controlling the enemy.

The book, The Art of War, is an excellent short read. And it's to make your enemy believe you are near when you are far. It's to believe you are weak when you are strong. It's to believe you are, you know, unorganized when you're very smart and strategic. And so they do, they play all these games along with the torture scripts. Right out of the books on the target. And they make them believe that their neighbor with a ray gun is doing it to them or a van. You know, you're near when you're actually far.

And all they have to do is jump on an airplane and find out. We'll follow them anywhere. How many projects? They're so integrated. They're numerous. They're numerous. You know, but you see the beginnings of like a, I remember as a child, I made a mazer. Mazur is like a laser. The M just stands for a microwave amplification, stimulated emission radiation.

But now we really have guns like that. And the Navy just had hooked up a big argon laser. shoots down missiles on their ships. So you can see the beginnings oftentimes. What is, there's something called like Project Blue Beam. Yeah, good one. What is that?

That is. That's lasers, right? Yeah, I can actually talk about the one, but that is, uh, it's really bad, but you know the people that see orbs in the sky? Yeah, go around and fly faster than it.

UFOs? You, UFOs. Yeah, there's Navy pilots. There's multiple Navy pilots who talk about. They got there, so they were flying F-18s, these Navy pilots. One of them's coming in here in a couple, in two weeks. He's Ryan Graves. Okay.

He's a Navy pilot flying off the coast of North Carolina, and they got their radar upgraded on their F-18s, and all of a sudden they were seeing these things darting around on their radar. Okay. Don't tell them what I'm about to say. and see if he knows about it. Okay. So what we do is we play with our own forces to make sure our trickery will work on the enemy. And those are directed energy weapons

of where we do intersecting beams or focus beams into the atmosphere and notice they're always in the atmosphere to excite the electron orbitals of the oxygen and nitrogen in our atmosphere. It causes a glow and it causes ionization. That ionization shows up on radar and like a, it's like a cat laser pointer. And we're making planes chase them.

That's exactly how they describe these things moving, like laser pointers. Yeah. And so we can do it in three space. We can make it look like. In three-dimensional space. Yeah. And we can make it look like an entire fleet is about to drop bombs on, let's say, Europe. And then it just happened to disappear.

and they get all their planes up in the air, and we attack them from the other direction, assuming we're attacking. Who is doing this? The Navy, you said? Somebody. Let's just say a group. A group, you know.

And you know this for a fact. I know for a fact. So anyway, don't tell your guests. A group within the U.S. government. Yeah, okay. We'll leave it at that. Yes. And is this something that could be seen with the name?

naked eye? Yes, because it glows. It glows. So it would be seeable, you can see it by the naked eye, and it would leave a radar trace. So it's perfect as a deception. Now, have you heard of the accounts of these things going underwater? These things come out of the water, zip around, they fly. There's been accounts of these things going in between when there's two F-18s flying in formation. One of them, they're described as one of them specifically, which Ryan Grave describes as a sphere with a cube inside, and each apex of the cube is touching the sphere. Okay.

No, I don't know about that technology. Okay. So that's different. I know you can make this appear as it goes in water, but it wouldn't have the shape of a cube. You can make them cigar shape. You can alter it somewhat. And I've worked on holography quite a bit, but nothing is detailed. Holograms?

Yeah, holograms in three-dimensional space. There's a Japanese company, so I can talk about, they use phantom-pulsed lasers to create touchable holograms, tiny little laser beams that excite the air and their midpoints and then create different colors. Now, is this something that they would be able to do on a massive scale? A hundred miles offshore? Well, that's the thing. I don't think so.

but I'm saying they can just create, you know, little orbs. Okay. So they split them up and make them do cool things and, you know, the razzle, dazzle, shocking off, act of war. Right. Oh, and you asked me of a Project Blue Beam. Well, that's what it's about. And it involves the voice of God weapons that I was talking about.

Project Blue Beam does. And this got, this got leaked. And so it probably won't have the effect and they probably won't do it. But if you wanted to bring the world. together, as President Reagan said, and several UN speeches, you would have a common enemy like evil aliens attacking. We forget our differences when we fight against it. We would look at each other as Chinese or Russian or American. We'd look at each other as Earthlings. It's for humans. Yeah, as Earthlings. And so that was Project Bluebeam was to trick the human race

into believing either God is coming down. Everybody hears the voice of God, the microwave hearing effect, get along, give, you know, whatever the new message is. Or it was going to be the evil aliens attacking. And notice how they, all of a sudden, all the governments release all their information on UFOs and there's a whole division dedicated it. And that's just deception. You think it's all deception. I think it's all deception. But, you know, that's my opinion. I've looked at all the videotapes and that people have given me. And I can explain away each one of them. So apparently, but there's, there's apparently lots of footage and videos and photos that have not been released to the public. Yeah, I haven't seen those. So I can't

go. And if you think this is all some sort of sci-op, what do you think the ultimate purpose of it is? Distraction against a lot of this human experimentation we're doing. Distraction. Distraction. Remember I told you the people I interview, they're actually told. were evil aliens and we're doing this to you. You know, some of them are. People that are dealing with something similar. Exactly. How many people have you interviewed personally?

2,500, roughly. 2,500. Yeah. So I have a good sample point of all the trickery they use their targets. Now, when you do these interviews, do you sit down in person with all of them? No, a lot of them over the phone or Internet. Some are even on. Do you record them?

No, I respect people's privacy immensely, and I always worry. They don't give you permission to record it? Some of them do, and I say, no, I'm not leaving any trace that if I, I'm a little paranoid, but if I get raided, I don't want anyone's name attached to me. You know, that was just my policy, and it's like any good shrink, you don't, you don't, you keep people's privacy. So with artificial intelligence, the way it's evolving in the military sector and in the commercial sector, if there's no accountability or transparency for the development of this kind of technology, how is it possible to be optimistic about the future of humanity? Let's just say this is a catastrophic evolutionary event of the human race.

I don't think it can be stopped. There's a weapon system acronym Satan, silent assassination through adaptive networks, and that's neural networks, which is artificial intelligence or social networks. A very complex system. But it's a combination of tactics as well as our. artificial manipulation. I am not, I do not think the future looks good for humans the way we are. Now, you could go the Klaus Schwab way.

We genetically engineer everyone to be happy with nothing, you know, or using mind control, we stimulate the seven pleasure centers of the brain while people work and aren't productive. And if they're not, we give them a little. little pain and behavioral modify the human race that way. So they're happy little slaves. I mean, there are a whole bunch of ways this could turn out. But humans will not be the same. So you're not optimistic about the future?

No, I'm not. I'm not. And that's assuming we don't kill ourselves. You know, nuclear war is looming. It's a very real possibility. Putin might want to take the world with them, you know. it's hard to know what will happen. We have, I don't even know if this is public knowledge,

but we have something like 1,300 Class 3, biopathogenic bioweapons development labs in the U.S. alone. About another leak like we had in Wuhan, perhaps. I don't know if that even is. Yeah, there's so many possibilities. There's so many possibilities. And just getting into the fringe of neuro weapons and lasers is something that boggles my mind,

but it seems like nukes are a primitive weapon compared to what we have now. Yeah, everyone can build a nuke. We monitor the world, make sure they're not. In fact, that's why we got into the war with Iraq because we had bad intel. We thought they were actually purifying uranium weapons, and mass destruction, et cetera.

That was our justification. To the public. The CIA denies it and said, no, they told them those parts that they bought were not for purifying uranium or plutonium. Anyway, that's their internal battle. It's a primitive weapon and no one wants to use them because it destroys buildings, property, stuff. What they want to do is change the people's culture or mine. That's a competition of that. That would be the best weapon.

That's why mind-controlled weapons or neuro-weapons. and cognitive weapons are everyone's racing due. Now you can still use bullets and bombs, so that destroys buildings as well. You could use a neutron bomb that just irradiates, a dirty bomb, that irradiates the city and kills the people, but then it's radioactive for, you know, 50 years and unusable. So China said the future wars that they're looking at are going to be,

biological viral mostly and then robot wars literally we have Boston Dynamics they have their equivalent and these dogs with I'm not making this up but dogs with

laser beams on them and can target it sounds like an Austin Powers movie sharks with laser beams on there actually But machine guns and they can target very accurately and run about 25 miles per hour. They're vicious. So war is going to take on a whole new shape for sure.

So the U.S. government has recognized this as a real thing for people, former agents, CIA agents, whatever, former diplomats, they're being taken care of medically for this and they're being treated, correct? And the problem is no. civilians are being treated for us. So two-part question. How are the diplomatic people being treated for it? How is it being recognized?

How is the government specifically recognizing them? So there is Havana Act that the Congress passed and they, it's published in the Federal Register and they, um, turn that light on Austin. They, um, listed, they didn't list the diagnostic criteria, but they said, um, that, a board certified neurologist can diagnose it based on these methods, MRI, EEG, computer tomography. So neurological damage acquired due to hostile activity or something like that. The Havana abbreviation, that's what stands for.

there is no recognition from any government agency that it is happening domestically to either federal employees or civilians. And my case is a perfect example of it. I've been diagnosed. I have the same diagnosis. All the experts recognize it. They're all on the same page. The government would not investigate it, would not recognize it. And if it doesn't recognize it, it wouldn't investigate.

It wouldn't protect me. it wouldn't protect other members of the general public. And that's the problem. That's the conversation that we need to have. What kind of treatment are these former diplomats or former CIA agents getting for this? As far as I understand, if their active attacks stopped, the treatment is very similar to a post-traumatic brain injury. It's basically rehabilitation.

In my case, I was recommended vestibular rehabilitation. and simply doesn't work because I am being attacked every day. So I go to vestibular rehab and they say, you're worse than the last time. I said, yeah, because I had several attacks in between. So my attacks are ongoing and treating it is like putting a band-aid on a bleeding wound. It's just not going to happen. It's not helping. I'm getting progressively worse.

But it is helping the diplomats. we don't know if they're attacked, stop, because the reporting has been very obscure about it. There are some diplomats, for example, Mark Lindsay, his family, him and his family were attacked in China, and then they were attacked in Philadelphia when they came for treatment at their residence and at the hotel domestically. So overseas and domestically.

So there are single cases where the diplomats, the federal employees were attacked both overseas and domestically. The Cuban diplomats, the reporting is rather obscure. But so your guess is as good as mine. I don't know if they stopped or if they continue, but they're receiving some kind of rehabilitation treatment. Yeah, that would be an incredibly interesting question. I don't have access to those people to find that out. But imagine a knife wound, a stab wound, and you keep turning the knife. There's no way for the brain to heal.

There's no way for the psychological scarring from all the breakdown scripts and torture to actually heal because it's continuous. It's a slow-kill weapon. But the important thing to recognize is that our government has publicly acknowledged that this technology does exist and is being used outside of the United States at least. They may not be recognizing it's, they're recognizing that it's real, right? This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a real weapon that our government has confirmed as being used by either by adversaries or by us against other adversaries, right? Correct. They have not identified a weapon, but they have identified.

that it's a real thing from directed energy. From directed energy. Just, we got to get to the point where they can recognize it as being used in the domestic, inside our country right now. Correct. How? How it's been delivered? Who's behind it?

Why they're doing it? We all need to know. if I'm a non-consensual experimental subject for a newer weapon that's been delivered, which is my really most plausible hypothesis, because I don't see any foreign agents in Bloomingdale, Illinois, driving a van. I mean, obviously, this is not happening. There's no guy driving, doing a drive,

by holding a satellite dish. I don't know. No. Thank you guys very much for coming on here and talking about this. I really appreciate it, Len and Duncan. And again, thank you for having us. And we want people to look up Havana Central. And this is just the tip of the iceberg,

why we're on here, and to ask your politicians to, you know, and news agencies to look deeper into this. And until people are fully aware what Havana syndrome is, they're not going to understand the public's health issues that could occur. If it can happen to, Lynn, it can happen to anybody. And so thank you again, Dan. And where, Len, where can people find out more about you specifically

and the talks that you do and find more of your work? And the same goes for you. I'm on Twitter at P. Sardonicus. That's my best. Can you spell that? P-S-A-R-D-O-N-I-C-U-S. Okay, I'll put a link.

So people can just like it. It's linked below. And Duncan. I have, my popular book is Project Soulcatcher, Secret Cyber Cyber-Sibernetic warfare revealed. It can be found on Amazon. I personally am just myself, my private page.

If you like my sense of humor or not, you're going to get it. And that's just that Robert Duncan on Facebook and you'll recognize me. But right now I'm restricted, you know, how Facebook does that. If you tell too much truth or they don't get your sense of humor. All right. Well, thank you guys both very much. Thank you, day. And sleep tight, everyone.

Thank you.