Danny Jones Podcast - #165 - Mexico's Teenage Narco-Militia Is Deadlier Than Ever | Johnny Mitchell

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

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Johnny Mitchell, thank you for coming in. Yes, sir, man. Thanks for fucking having me here, dude. You're like a social media sensation right now. You're like blowing up all over YouTube, Instagram, take talk, and then like you started all this shit less than two months ago. Is that what it is? As soon as Andrew Tate got banned, I saw my, I saw the void in the market, you know,

and I stepped in. That's where they were calling me. My friends are fucking breaking my balls back in L.A. They're like, you're the entertainer comedy, man. I'm like, I don't want that. I don't want that, please. How much time were you spent in Florida? Is this your first time in this?

It's like part of Florida? Yeah. Yeah, I've only been to Miami pretty much just to do comedy. Right, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, this is a weird, this is a very different town than where, where you live right now. Yeah. Well, L.A.?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. It's so funny because you made a comment when you walked in here about like this town, this kind of like bum fuck Florida town we're in right now. Yeah, it looks like cops. It looks everything in this, everything in Florida looks like the,

show cops. There's no sidewalks, right? It's just, it's like, it looks like there should be a couple of people that escaped from an insane asylum walking down the street, a couple of crackheads. But no, we're in a nice area, actually. Yeah, there's a couple of men. Not, not really. It's a decent area. It's okay. It changes quick. It changes quick. There's like one, it could be like a plantation style house and then there's a gas station. Yeah. It's funny that most people who make all the, like, the comments or that notice this kind of town where it sticks out to them. All those people are from L.A. They're always the one to make the comment.

Yeah. I think the only, like the last person who in here was freaking out. They was Jamie Kennedy when he crawled in here. He was like looking over his shoulder. He's like, where's the fucking crackheads? He's a bit of a hypochondriac. I know Jamie quite well. Oh, do you really? Yeah. That's hilarious. He's a bit of a hypochondriac. Where's the crack hits, man?

He still won't touch my hand like after COVID. Really? He's still like, elbow bumps me. Oh my God. I'm like, it's over. Forget it. Just give me a goddamn handshake, weirdo. That's hilarious. Yeah. And your podcast is fucking fascinating. I just listen to every episode.

So it's like, it's like the format of that. You just decided to tell your own story episodically of like your life and crime and then transition into interviewing people. Yeah, exactly. Like I would watch, you know, in my YouTube feed, I see, you know, every different kind of like drug and prison show. Because they're fascinating, right? but it's either like some, you know, big Cholo dude that is like the craziest shit I've seen in prison.

And it's fascinating, but you can't listen to it for more than like five minutes because it's just the quality is usually poor. You know, there's no kind of production value to it. Or it's like some, you know, Oxford educated guy from Vice News who's like, let me tell you about a Sinaloa cartel. It's like, no, no, no, motherfucker. I'll tell you about the Sinaloa cartel. I've been with those guys. So I was like, maybe that's what I could do. I could do like a prison and a drug and a crime show,

but from the perspective of somebody that's been in the life, but who also can kind of, I don't know, articulate it, bring like a news element to it, like a news quality element to it. So that's where I got the idea from. But no, I didn't plan to make it episodic, like track it through from the beginnings. I just kind of started.

I just kind of went and it organized. kind of became this like chronological thing, you know? What gave you the idea to start it? I think because I wanted, I tell a lot of jokes on stage. You know, I do comedy. I do stand-up comedy for the fans that don't know.

And I tell a lot of these prison stories just because it's such good humor. So it's such good fodder for comedy. And I wrote a book actually during the pandemic, days of the trap. And it was pretty well received. So I was like, well, what if I extrapolated these stories and made it like true crime documentary style? Like, what if I told you actually how drug trafficking works?

Because we always hear about like, you know, the drug cartels, drug routes. Well, what does that mean? What's a drug route? How do you actually make money selling cocaine? What is prison actually like day to day? What do these things mean? I didn't see a lot of people doing that. So I was, I don't know, that's just kind of what motivated me to get going with it.

And how long ago did you get out of prison? Oh, it's been years. It's been like over a decade. Over a decade. Yeah. Yeah, I came home in 2012, beginning of 2012, and I was on parole. I had a three-year tail, but I just blew parole and just moved to L.A., like immediately. Like, I went home, live with my parents, saved up some money, and moved to L.A.

within like five months of being out of prison and just started writing screenplays, started doing stand-up comedy. Yeah. So you were like hyper-motivated. Hyper-motivated, dude. Fuck yeah. Oh, my God.

For anybody, anybody who's like low-fin, I recommend prison. I recommend a little prison bit for everybody because when you lose time, like when you see the days of your life just getting flushed down the toilet, you're nothing is a better, motivator. Like you want to get that time back. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so it was like a really also I went

went too far with it. Like I was like manic when I got out, you know, and I probably had PTSD from seeing shit in there, whatever. But, but yeah, it was, it definitely changed my life for the better, I think, you know. I mean, I do regret like losing all this money I made. But I think it, I think it gave me direction, you know? Yeah, man. I say it all the time because I've had quite a number of, uh, like ex-cons and hearing people that have been in prison for a long period of time. Yeah. For long periods of time. And they're the most interesting people I've ever talked to.

They always have the most character. They always have, they just, they're just the most interesting people. For some reason, something about spending lots of time staring at a wall, reflecting on your life and your previous experiences. It does something to you that is just unique. Yeah. Well, also criminals, I don't know what comes first sometimes. I think the personality comes first. You know, I think that personality, that proclivity, whatever it is to, you know, like Roger Reeves, right, Pablo Escobar's main cocaine pilot.

Like, what is it about there's something in him, an angst, an energy that is just in him naturally that made him want to like, you know, go be a bad boy. Go, you know, step outside of like norms. That's because that's what being in prison, that's what breaking the law is. It's like it's anti-social behavior. So that's kind of in all of us, I think. But prison either makes you worse, makes you really go further into the darkness, or it makes you channel that antisocial inclination into something positive. So it made me want to go into show business and become a stand-up comedian.

That's definitely anti-social. social, you know? Right. Like, that's, that's not normal either. Right. You know what I mean? Like neither is podcasting. No. Right. Yeah. For sure. Like your parents are like, what the fuck is this? You know? Uh, this is a job. But so, so yeah, that's, I think it comes first. I think that being interesting, prison doesn't make you interesting. Gives you interesting stories, but you end up in there because you have something different about you. Yeah. Rogers are very unique case, I think. He's interesting. I mean, he is like, he's such a soft, spoken, polite gentleman.

Yeah. But the guys escaped prison like eight times. Yeah, he's been in Mexican jail getting tortured almost to death. It's insane, dude. Wild. Unbelievable. So in your early years, how did you get into drug trafficking? Well, I started out of drug dealing, right?

Just like from the bottom, like everybody. Pretty much everybody, unless you're like, you know, the son of a Mexican kingpin and you kind of just get handed it down to you. In America, everybody starts just with. hand-to-hand sales. So, you know, it was the early 2000s, and it was just kind of the culture in the Northwest and in California on the West Coast. That's, that was where like the revolution happened where, you know, in the 90s, but weed started to be grown en masse in Northern California, Southern Oregon. And it kind of started to replace the Mexican marijuana that dominated the U.S. market up until then, right? So we were on the precipice of that. So weed was abundant. It was cheap

and it was just a way for high school kids to make money. It was like I described the green rush of that era of the early 2000s as like the, you know, the crack boom of the 80s for, you know, black people in the ghetto. Like everybody was, everybody was involved with it somehow. I knew multiple people that, you know, went away for selling the shit. So that's just kind of kind of how it started. I wanted to smoke weed for free and I always wanted to, I was fascinated with it, to be honest with you. I was always like, I think, I think that's the show, the connect that I do now. I think that like that is my fascination with it. I've always been fascinated. I would see people, older people, you know, older brothers of people that I went to school with like making a living

from selling pot. I'm like, how do they do this? Like how? I thought you had to be scar. face to make money selling drugs. So how do you how do you get the money to buy? How do you get, how do you find people to buy the drugs? How do you find people to sell you the drugs? It was like, uh, it was this fascinating. The underworld was fascinating. Because like drug dealing, it's like, it's like magic. I say that in one of my episodes. They used to call the Colombian cocaine kingpins of the 70s, maikos, magicians. Like how do you just take this thing and just turn it into money. How does the street bring you back money? It was like, it's like the invisible hand. So I was, yeah, so I just wanted to see like how far I could go with it. So I was just started off just like buying ounces, you know, dishing them off to my friends, losing money. I lost money for years or I would make like almost no money.

So it was like business. It was like it was having a small business. And it just kept growing very steadily. And we would have setbacks and robberies and police race. and all manner of crazy shit. And yeah, I didn't make, you know, I didn't get rich until, you know, my last two years before I fell before I got locked up. And that's when you were getting into cocaine and stuff? Yeah, but I didn't get rich selling Coke. I got rich moving pot. Really?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The markup was, it's hard to make a lot of money selling Coke. It's hard to make a lot of money selling Coke. I thought it was the opposite. It's, you can make good money selling. small amounts of coke, but to get rich selling Coke, I mean, think about it. If I could make

a thousand dollars profit per pound, it's feasible. It's easy, not easy, but it's much easier to sell 20 pounds of weed a week that it is to sell, I don't know, 10 kilos of Coke a week. Because way more people smoke pot than they use Coke, right? Right. So I got, I mean, depending on where you're at though, right? Like depending on what city you're in or what country. But I was moving it all over the country. So, but you were based in Northern California. I was based in Oregon. I was based in Portland, Oregon. So I was shipping it to New Jersey, upstate New York. Oh, you were shipping most of them. Yeah. Florida, Oklahoma, um, Philadelphia, right? So it was Chicago. And this is in the era. This was a very unique era where we could get wholesale

weed cheap. And the markup, you know, on the East Coast and the Midwest was in the, insane. And we knew that was coming to an end. So that's why we were like, we got to, before they start legalizing the shit and prices start to fall, like we have to, we got to make millions now. It was, it was, it felt like, it felt like how the mob must have felt in the 20s, like the Chicago mob, they were like, they can't keep booze illegal forever. They can't even keep it illegal for a long time. Like, this is insane. Everybody needs to drink. It's the only way ugly people fuck. It's the only way, It's the only way most people get together and procreate, get through their shitty jobs. We got to get rich now, and that's what they did.

So that's kind of how I felt. I was like, this is a very unique historical moment where a guy like me who's not, I was never part of a drug cartel. I would re-up from multiple sources. Some of them were cartel growers. But I wasn't connected. I wasn't a killer. I never carried a gun, usually. and I could just go.

I was just a small businessman who could make a million dollars a year plus just with this like, you know, I didn't feel like it was a huge trade, right? 80, 100 pounds a month could make me a million bucks. And how old? 22, 23 years old. 22 making a million bucks a year. Imagine making just 80, 90,000 a month.

Fuck, dude. Just clean, man. You don't know what to do with that kind of money. You don't. You don't know where to hide it. you don't know how to act. I mean, no,

that's just crazy thing too. When you have that much money at such a young age, that fucks you up. Yeah, totally. It hooked me for life, dude. What did you do for fun with that kind of money at such a young age?

I would just... Or were you just working 24-7? I was working 24-7. I was working 24-7. You know, I was flying to... But I would go everywhere, right? Like I would go to New York City for the weekend and just be walking around

Midtown Manhattan State. in like, you know, luxury hotels, luxury suites with like, you know, Chinese businessman. And I was dressed in sweatpants and like a fucking, you know, a backwards hat. And I got 50 grand on me in cash. Like, you know what I mean? It was a superpower. Yeah. Just shit like that, you know?

I could go to Columbia and whatever I wanted. I could go. I could just do anything, go anywhere. That's mainly it, you know? Like I didn't, I was never ostentatious with my money because I always, You know, I saw the future. I'm like, this is a golden goose. Don't fuck this up.

Like, I need to stash this money and flip it into something legit after I get out of the game. The problem is I could never get out of the game. It just keeps bringing you back. Keeps luring you back. I'm like, oh, one million's good, but two's got such a nice ring to it. What were you doing with all the cash? Like, where was I putting it? Yeah.

What was your plan? Were you, like, buying real estate? The plan was to start, because this was like the advent of Amazon really becoming, you know, 2008, 2009, 2010. It was like the advent of like online commerce. So e-commerce. So that, the plan was to like just start buying shit and cash and then reselling it online and legitimizing it, right? Making a company around it.

Taking that profit, right? Declaring it, paying tax on it. And that's how you get the money in the system. Okay. and then using that laundered money to, yeah, buy real estate, buy other cash businesses, et cetera. So here's the thing. Like when you buy a house, for example, the easiest example, and you have to fucking go, when you go to the bank or you go to a mortgage broker, you got to show them your bank account.

You got to show them your records. Where does that money come from? How many people are paying you each month? Right. Where does that? Like, so how do you justify all these cash deposits? Well, that's, that's exactly why I had set up a company. right and then I was buying goods you know sneakers right this is the beginning so I would buy you know

a pair of nikes you know Portland is the headquarter Nike headquarters there so I buy a you know some Nike shoes and then I would just resell them online on eBay to you know some guys in Japan for like a you know 500% markup and boom you take that money that money's run through your company so that's legit, that looks like legit money and you pay taxes on it. So the only, the only sketchy part is how did you get the money to buy the shoes in the first place? Yes. That's the big, that's the rub, but that's what's the hardest to prove. Also, I feel like I'm giving your, right. I feel like, yeah. So what do you do about that? A lesson on that. Well, uh, there's nothing. There's no, there's no full proof way to launder money. You know, there's no full proof, full proof way to do crime. Um, but,

Yeah, that's, so yeah, in theory, they could go, if the IRS wanted to look deep enough, they could say, well, how'd you get the money to buy this and this and this? And then you wouldn't really have an answer, but also they don't really have an answer. Right. It's why they can never put people they convict of like tax fraud away for too long because the burden of proof is on the state or the federal government to convict you. So most of that is circumstantial. So that's why I always try to keep the money in the drug. separate because if you busted me with a bunch of money or you or you know I got um audited by the IRS and just like you said they said well how did you get uh 10,000 bucks to buy you know all these like whatever designer purses that you were going to resell. Well sure maybe I don't have an answer but you don't either and it's your job right to and if you can't link drugs or illegal activity to that money yeah well you're probably just going to give me a fine right. It's probably what it's going to be, you know, or if it's an egregious amount of money that I haven't declared, then there might be some prison time. But, you know, it's not going to be like,

they can't make a RICO trial out of that. If they can't link illegal activity to that, that money, that cash business. I guess the example I made with like loans and mortgages, it doesn't really matter if you're just buying shit with cash. If you're going to somebody and buying their house just with a fucking bunch of cash, you don't have to worry about any of that. Right, right. But how are you going to buy a $300,000 house with cash? that's that's you might know that better than I'm asking you I'd like to know I'm in the market well you tried to buy a house in Columbia yeah yeah but I know but the the the the scam there was you couldn't even do it in Columbia at this at this point you know like their their money laundering

laws because they've been you know influenced by the US for so long now right so they have relatively strict money laundering laws too but my plan was because I wanted to buy a hotel tell because at this time this was yeah 2010 Columbia is starting to blow up as like a tourist destination so is this like when you before you actually

moved down there? This is at the same time okay so this is the first time you went down there exactly I would spend a lot of time down there I would come I would go back and forth I have a good friend who lived there for years he met his wife there yeah that's the best place lived in Medellegene for like probably 15 years oh wow dude he's a straight Pisa at that point

That's insane, dude. I couldn't live there long term. I'm too tall. I stick out too much. I swear to God, that's the reason. I'm way too tall. You're just at 6'6, you're bopping around Columbia. You just, I don't know.

I just always felt like there just could be a bullet that could just fly out and fucking hit me. You know what I mean? Like, I just, I never feel totally, and maybe I just seen too many movies. Maybe I just met too many, you know, gangsters, right? That's probably what it is. but I don't feel, even though people are like, oh, it's so safe, it's Columbia and everything's changed. I'm like, I know for a fact it hasn't. So I was always kind of paranoid.

But yeah, I would go down there and I had this idea to buy a hotel on the coast in Carta Hena. And actually this town called Santa Marta, which is like, it's like an hour or so outside of Cartagena. And if I, man, this was like the perfect, like getting in early. on like a booming like tourist economy. So what I was going to do was I was going to buy the... Have you bought hotels and shit before that? Like anywhere? No.

No, no, no. This was going to be the first foray into it. But I had some guys who were going to run it for me who I'd met traveling. Actually like a couple of like a couple of Americans who wanted to live there. So I was like perfect. I'll joint venture. Because I don't want to run the shit. You guys run it, live here.

You know what I mean? Make sure everything's profitable. So the way we were going to do it was they wanted... The guy who was going to help me buy it, he was a money launderer. He wanted to basically, basically, this is how it was set up. The buy price of the hotel was 300 grand. And he was going to charge me $100,000 on top of that to do the laundering, to do the washing. He had a contact in the United States, right?

He had a Colombian guy who worked with him on the East Coast. So he said, what you're going to do is just bring him cash. you're going to bring him the money and then i'm going to buy with my own money in columbia i'm going to buy this hotel for you and then i'm once i know that i have my contact has your dollars in the states i'm just going to transfer the deed of trust over to you see what i mean super clean that and he was charging 100 grand just to do this yes okay yes um i was going to say because i don't think i caught that on your episode so i was immediately like why the fuck is this guy doing this for you for nothing. Like I would immediately be so suspicious of that. Yeah, no.

Make it 100 grand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. This is what this guy does. Okay. So, um, so yeah, that's just like a very clean way, right? Like if you have, you know, the Colombians have a diaspora in New York in Queens. And so you just take, you know, you take a foreigner's cash. Would you call it? Diaspora. So they have like, yeah, so they have a big Colombian community in, in New York and on the East Coast. Okay. So they, a lot of drug traffickers who coming over there originally from the 70s, a lot of them stayed. So they have a lot of communication back and forth. They got a lot of criminal activity going in and out of, you know,

from Kali, Medellegine to Queens, you know. Okay. Yeah, they still smuggle drugs from Colombia directly to the states. They just don't do it en masse. Most of it goes through Mexico. You know, you know, I met girls that were mules that would swallow pellets of coke. You know, they braid them into their hair. They, you know, they make the pellets like dark and they fit them inside of these girls like weaves and they walk through the airport that way.

You know, people wrap through Miami. Uh, yeah. No, or wherever, right, whatever airport they're flying through. Okay. But, um, you know, uh, I heard of one, a guy that had like wrapped like his little niece, his little like four year old niece, you know, stuff some cocaine and her teddy bear wrapped it around her legs and shit. I mean, they're, they're just throwing the book at it. That's a good idea. It is a good idea.

Babies. People aren't going to be searching babies for... Or old people, too. They do that with, like, infirm people that are in wheelchairs, right? They build them inside of the wheelchair. So they're less likely to be searched. But you can't get weight in. Like, that's really...

It's difficult to scale a business doing stuff like that. Because how many kilos can you really fit around, you know, a little girl's legs? A couple of them, maybe? I've heard some horror stories about people like, like putting them in like pellets and then swallowing them. Yeah. Busting up. Oh, God, dude.

Brutal, right? Fuck, bro. Brutal way to go. Imagine. Do you? Fuck, no, dude. It would be great at first. When that shit first hits you, you're like, damn.

Yeah, the first two seconds. Fuck. Uh-oh, a little too high. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, Maria full of grace. That's the classic movie about that. Have you seen that?

I don't think I've seen that. Oh, it's a great. movie and it's about impoverished girls from the compo from the countryside in Colombia and they get approached by a guy right and they're a hard up you know one of them just found out she's pregnant

I mean this is you know obviously you're not going to swallow cocaine pellets unless you really are desperate right yeah and and it's just about their experience you know swallowing shit and flying into New York and yeah it's it's a dirty dirty game man

It's a dirty game. So when you met this guy who was helping you go to New York and pay the guy in New York, the cash, the $300,000 cash, and then he was going to buy this hotel for you. Yeah. What happened when you went and met the guys in New York and gave him the cash? Well, I never even got around to it because that guy ended up getting, the guy in Columbia, the guy who was laundering my money, ended up getting killed. So we never even went through with it.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. How wild is that? So I could have, and that was some totally like, separate shit, but I could have, and I, and I, and I tried to call down to figure out what happened. They think that that guy, that money launderer, was also either like a DEA agent or he was like working for an opposing cartel was like playing both sides. Because a lot of these money launders, they deal with a bunch of different cartels money. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And, and so, you know, he might have been informing on a different cartel, like playing both sides, like giving up information. So, you know, who knows, but I, I dodged a huge figurative and literal bullet with that, I think. And you were banging his wife? Damn, dude. Damn, dude.

Why you had to bring that up, Danny? It wasn't his wife. It was his fiance, dude. It was his fiance. It's different. Oh, that's fair game. The guy was a scumbag. The guy was a real scumbag. Hey, you don't have to justify it. And I fuck so good. No, I'm just kidding. I'm judging you

He uh yeah So his his fiancee was You know all the car All the criminals It's passed down through the family So the girl that I His fiancee the girl I was You know

Running around with She you know Her uncles are part of a big You know Drug trafficking organization down there You know It's all very incestuous So yeah

It was uh It was fucking surreal I was like I started out as a middle class kid from Portland, Oregon, selling dime sacks, little fucking gram bags of pot. And now here I am, like, running around with, like, kingpins. Right. It was, yeah, dude, you get what you wish for. You really, you really, like, become who you want to be.

And that's, I realized even negatively, I'm like, wow, I really, like, in a certain way I wanted this. and now I had it and I was like, this is just a bad feeling. That's when I realized I wasn't a gangster, was like when that happened. When you talked about getting in the taxi cab and then agreeing to put a blindfold on. Yeah.

I was kind of like thinking, I was like, I think I would have turned around at that point. I don't know if I would have gone. Yeah, it was inertia. It was it was, it was a inertia. It was forward moving energy. Yeah, that was crazy.

I'm actually going back to collect. next month and I'm trying to get an interview with some of the people from L'Alfisina that organization. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And that's in a neighborhood called Enbigal in Medellin. And it's a pretty nice neighborhood, but we were in a slum part of it. And I didn't know this at the time, but I looked into it further.

I'm like, oh, that's where they took me. And it was, that's just standard procedure. Like, Colombians are good business people. Okay. Like, they're not, you know, these bloodthirsty. They have no reason to kill a tourist, right? like they brought me to a trap house and they were like yeah how much money you got to spend and I'm like I could how much drugs you got to sell me right I got plenty of money right so I wasn't

but you weren't you weren't planning on selling drugs though when you went down no no no I was just having a good time I was just having a good time and I was like oh he's whoa how much for a kilo blow why not how much was it for a kilo uh it was for there was two kinds there was the pedico which is the stepped on kind and And there was the pure shit. And I think I paid $2,000. Like I bought the Petico, which was a little stepped on. Oh, Petico means it stepped on?

That's how they refer to it. Yeah. Because here are Mexicans just call Pedico Coke. Yeah, exactly. It's just, it's, that's just a across-the-board term for Coke. But in Medellegro is, uh, is shit that's like a little cut. So I was like, give me that. And it was $2,000 bucks for a key.

That's $2 a gram. A thousand grams for $2,000 bucks. I bet it was 10 times better than anything you'll find. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, give me that because I had so coke before and I'm like, I don't want shit that's going to, like, I want shit that's a little, that's not going to keep people up like it's meth. You know what I mean? Like, I want to, I want shit that's going to really like, like give people like a smooth landing. So I was like, yeah, give me that. You know? Yeah. Oh, it's hilarious, dude. That's wild, bro. Yeah. So how, how are the dealers, there in Columbia different from in Mexico? Great question. Well, they're much more customer service oriented. I'll tell you that much. They're very, Colombians are great business people and they're very friendly people.

And they really, unlike Mexicans who, by the way, I love Mexico and I love Mexicans. They don't give a fuck about Americans, gringoes. There's this like, it's all. almost an animosity. It's almost an animosity. Because, you know, with so many different ways over the last 100, 150 years, since really the history of the state of Mexico, America's been more or less fucking them. You know, from how we stole their land, Texas to, you know, the free trade agreements that fuck the farmers. Right. There's, there's some things. There's some things that the U.S. has done to Mexico. And they just are very prideful people. They remember. They don't forget. So operation. What was that? Operation Fast in the furious. Right. Right. Yeah, under Obama, right. Under Obama. Yeah. But that just scratches the surface, dude. That's happening. That's killed like that, those guns killed like thousands of Mexicans. Yeah, tens of thousands of people. For sure. For sure. Well, dude, you know what's so

crazy? We, when we were down there filming two weeks ago in Sinaloa. Was that when I talked to on the phone? Oh, maybe. With Roger? Yes. That's right. We were in Cina Loa. You said you were like in a graveyard or something. We were on our way to a narco grave. graveyard. And we were not supposed to be there, by the way. They were like, this is how wild Sinaloa is. Kulia Khan, Sinaloa is like how Kali, Colombia was in the 90s in the way that the cartel has eyes on everybody. Like as soon as we got off the plane, our escort, our guide was like, yeah, they know you're here. They have people working at the airport. They have people working at the rental car company. They have people working at the hotel where we're staying, Hotel Lucerne, right? So,

every time you leave, probably what somebody does is they just pick the phone up and they just give whoever the, you know, that area manager is a call. Be like the gringoes are on the move, right? So we were not supposed to go and film at this graveyard because it's supposed to be like it's really off limits because it's a narco graveyard. It's where, you know, the big drug cartel kingpins to get killed or, you know, whatever bosses or, you know. Yeah, they celebrate that. that the dead are like a very celebratory thing totally totally totally culture absolutely but we weren't supposed to go there especially not without like a Mexican escort with us

and so we were like well we're definitely going to go there still and so we went there filmed and as soon as we got back our got Luis who's been on this podcast Luis Chabato you were with Luis I was with Luis from Vice News yes Luis was like yeah man they they knew you went to that graveyard Dude, you I was like I was like

That gave me fucking chills They're like Yeah, they know you went there It's it's okay But they knew you went there I was like Oh my I was like

What the fuck Yeah bro They got so So they called the Kali cartel The The KGB cartel Because they They spied on their own people

Like the Soviet KGB Would spy on Citizens like under Communist Russia That's how it is in Kulia Khan, right? So that shit's nuts. I don't know how I got on that subject. Oh, yes, so Mexicans.

But basically, the difference between the Colombian dealers is that they want to, they're actively trying to sell tourists high quality coke, high quality drugs. Because they like the tourist dollars. They want you to come back. Whereas in Mexico, that's not the case. They just, because it's so firmly controlled by just a couple of cartels. now that they sell you if you go to Porto Vayarta you can't find good Coke because it's all

it's stepped on because they're like this is for the tourists we keep the good ship for ourselves yeah that's the difference that's the difference but Colombians are like yeah come on we want you to because we know if we sell you the best shit you're going to come back and you're going to tell your friends in Australia and they're going to come you know

yeah aren't the like the tourist areas like Cancun Puerto Vallarta Cabo Those are like all run by cartel or all cartel-owned, like areas, right? Like the hotels and the resorts. They all have an interest in them for sure. They all, you know, for sure, either maybe it's not a direct interest,

but it's like how the mob used to have, you know, give loans out to casino owners in Vegas, right? Right. That's kind of how it is. Yeah. Yeah. I can definitely see that, you know, the way the culture thinks of Americans in Mexico versus the way they think about Americans in Colombia. It's got to be so different.

That's got to play a huge part in that. Totally, because Colombians don't, you know, Americans are new to Columbia. And they're new to places like Peru relatively, right? So it's kind of like, you know, we're kind of sexy to them. We're kind of cool to them. You know, Mexicans are so familiar with, they just know what it is. So we would ask, you know, Mexicans about, how do you feel about like fentanyl killing off Americans?

They were like, well, you guys asked for it. Right. I'm like, well, Chapo kind of, we did ask for it, but he kind of started the thing that made everybody start asking for it. You know, like there was, they invented the fentanyl market basically back in 2016. So, but anyways, but that's kind of how they see us, you know, I would ask people how, what do you think of Americans? Didn't the Chinese give them that? Didn't they introduce them to that? They, they, I don't know if they introduced and that would be a question for Luis, but they are the ones who sell them, the precursor chemicals.

for sure. Right. And the chemist that taught him how to use it. Right. Right. Perhaps.

Yeah. Could have. Dude. I mean, we can link this all. We can go back to China. And they haven't forgotten the opium wars. Exactly.

From the 1830s and 1850s. Right. So when we go, when Biden goes over there. That was mainly the British, wasn't it? Uh, yeah. But you lump it in with,

uh, you lump it in with America because, you know, Teddy Roosevelt's grandfather was an American. That's how he got rich was, was, was, participating in the opium wars.

So, yeah, so they haven't forgotten either. So it's coming back to Roost. But, you know, and Mexicans, I asked this one guy, he was a bodyguard for El Mio Zabada. He was like... Oh, is that who you talked to when you were down there? That was one of the groups we talked to. Yeah, we talked to several different, you know, families or plans.

How did you get in contact with the bodyguards of El Mio Zabada? Yeah. Luis. Luis put you in touch with those people? Luis had a guy on the ground. And yeah, I'll shout him out. His name's El Enfermo. And he's a trap rapper.

He's like a traprapeño, they call it. Does he have an Instagram? It's, uh, yes, of course. He, uh, it's like trap music. It's like Mexican trap music. It's dope. He's really fucking good. Yeah.

So he, he would bring us around and he met some of these guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was fucking cool. They didn't let us get a, they didn't let us film him on camera, though. That's what I, no, no, you got to have money. that's how that works down there. If you have enough money, you can get these guys to put masks on

and carry their guns around and just do an interview with you. But if you don't have the coin, it's pretty difficult because they're like, why, I don't need to, what, for your stupid YouTube show? Like, I don't need to be on camera. What does this do for me?

Right. Unless they have a YouTube channel. Was Louise, right? Was Louise actually with you? Or was he just like setting this all up on the phone? No, he was with us. Oh, no. Yeah.

Yeah, bro. Yeah, we were down there filming. homing, like he was down there documenting how the Sinaloa cartel has moved in on like the legal weed market more or less. Like weeds about to become legal down there. So they've opened all these dispensaries. I feel like I'm stealing Luis's scoop right now. What they've done is opened up dispensaries all throughout Kulia Khan,

which is the capital of Sina Loa. And so it looks like L.A. There's there's fucking, there's dispensaries everywhere. You walk in and it's like, different strains, you got pre-rolls, you got edibles. I mean, it looks legal. Of course, it's not. And they're all cartel owned. All cartel owned. The cartels own the grows, right? They own, so they're growing a bunch of indoor bud throughout the city. And in the mountains, they still get outdoor weed, too. And so it's vertically integrated. They control the grows. They control all of

the dispensaries. And they get independent operators to do everything. But that's fascinating because Because that's how they've adjusted to losing profits when we became legal in the States. You know, they lost a big, big export market. So this is kind of what they've done to, like, you know, make some of their money back. That's fucking wild. Wild. So when you were talking to the bodyguards of El Mayo. Yeah.

First of all, people that don't know who El Mayo is, he's like the number one guy. He's the boss of the boss. He's the old man. He's the guy that's never been caught. He's the only person. He's the guy, like one of the two guys who started the Sinolo. cartel, right? He actually didn't start it. He was

his, there's not a lot of history on him because he's so secretive. The guys who started it are all the guys from the original if you go watch Narcos Mexico. It was Angel Feliz Gallardo. It was Raphael Carter Quintero and the other dude. Can't remember his fucking name.

Fonseco maybe. But he was working for them. Just like Chapo didn't start the cartel. He was working for the Guadalajara cartel that later became the Sinaloa cartel. So maybe he was one of the founders. Fuck, I don't know.

But he's the, he's one of the originals. And the only guy who's never been caught. And he's the most wanted drug trafficker on earth. I wonder if he really is wanted. Right. Totally. Dude, or if he's got an agreement. Right.

He's got an agreement. Because, because, you know, that's how a lot of these guys, according to Luis, that's how a lot of these dudes survive so long is, you know, they cut deals with either the DEA or the CIA or the Mexican government or both. And, you know, Chapo gave up information, right? All of these guys have given up info on their rivals in the past. You know, so who knows what is keeping him out of prison. But I'll tell you what, he's got a huge security apparatus.

That's for sure. What did his security have to say? Well, first of all, the guys got eight different layers of security around him. He lives in the mountains. He owns ranches all over Sina Loa, right? But we went to, when we went to visit his number one security team, there's seven different security layers that we pass through on our way to meet them. And that means just guys who are posted up wherever he's at.

And it's like a circumference, right? It's like that you just keep going out and out and out. and these different security layers make a ring around him. Like a fucking military. These are, it's not like a military. These guys are a military. And in Kulia Khan, they are the law. They are the military.

So every time you, so as you, if you're driving along like the highway out of the city, you know, people are on radios like, yep, uh, these guys are moving towards the boss, right? So, uh, but, but his main guys, the guys we talk to, they're like fucking 25 year old kids it's crazy it was it was wild like you think they'd be like

you know have baklavas on and big you know you think you think you'd be like these tough like ex-marine guys they're not they're just uh they're just dudes that probably have parents or uncles in the cartel and they just got these jobs guarding him and uh you know it was very weird it was like these are like normal dudes you know guys got acne a few of them have braces on right smoking weed, watching Instagram videos. Yeah, that's crazy. It's not what you think. It's like it's not what you think at all.

It's very easy for that. Well, I mean, I think of how easy it is for them to recruit kids to the cartels. You know, when you're a young kid and you're an idiot, you're going to see all the big flashy shit. You're going to see the money and you're going to gravitate towards that. They're probably not a lot of older people because I'm sure the life expectancy inside the cartel is not that high. Yeah, it's either not that high or you move up. to doing something more administrative.

Because I'm not sure how many people are actually dying in the stronghold anymore. If you're a soldier and you're going off to like a different state to fight like the Nuevo Halisco Cartel, which is like the rival down there. Yes, your life expectancy is pretty low. But I think within the city and the area of Sinaloa itself, it was actually pretty safe because the cartels got such a stranglehold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, big time.

I just think the kids Nobody wants to be like sitting around You know it's boring When you're guarding this old man in the mountains It's fucking boring You just sit around Probably nothing's gonna happen Because there's so many other different security teams

That are gonna let you know if like The Marines are on their way Like it once the fucking military Makes it past the first couple of layers of security They really were dumb enough to pull a raid That old man They would have that guy on the move So fast

And plus they won't ever do that Because I asked him that I'm like what if What if the fucking military does rush right now? And they were like well the same thing will happen Even worse than when they tried to arrest Ovidio Chopo's son do you remember that Back in 2019

They tried to arrest him and the fucking They burnt that place to the ground dude We were staying right by there Bro the video of him Of them like pulling up on that house And pulling him out of the house is so crazy Yeah, because he's so fucking calm. Yeah.

He's like, exactly. He's like, whatever. He's like, it's okay. Let me get on my phone. Let me make a call. That's right. That's what they do. They say they're panicking.

The military, like whoever, the sergeant of the lieutenant, he's handing him the phone. And he's like, call them off, call them off. Because they, they're, every little clan from the mountains descended on to Kulia Khan and just started going to war. It, like that. And the guy who ordered that. was Mayo Zambada. Really? Yep.

He was the guy that said, do not let them take him. So you imagine what would happen if they tried to arrest Mayo? I mean, it would look like Afghanistan. Yeah. So that kind of threat of violence

is so ingrained in the culture that you don't really, you don't really have to worry about much when you're in the inner circle of the security apparatus inside the cartel. You know what I mean? It's so fucking crazy to think about.

I've asked this question of so many people and it's always like a laugh for people when I ask them this. But I'm like, could you imagine if the U.S., I don't even know if they have motive to do it or not? Like there's so many conspiracies about how the U.S. is like involved in the cartels. And like there's that documentary that I forget the name of it right now, but it's the documentary basically about the DEA agent. who was murdered by the CIA agent. Felice Rodriguez. Not Felice Rodriguez. His name was, yes.

Come on, come on. I know the name. Kiki Cameran. He was the DEA agent. Felix Rodriguez was the CIA agent. The Cuban guy, right? Yes. So he was a CIA asset.

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Yeah, yeah. Who knows because it's very easy. It's all about deniability, right? Like they, they, this guy obviously wasn't like, you know, educated in America and didn't like, he didn't apply for a job at the CIA. They recruited him because he was in a Cuban exile, you know, who could help fight communism. Okay. Right? This is post Castro.

This is when, yeah, that dude right there. Holy shit. Cuban American former Central Intelligence Agency. Paral military operations officer. Oh, wow. So maybe he was like on the payroll. Well, he's definitely on the payroll. Maybe he was a car carrying member.

Right. He was involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Oh, so this guy goes back to Kennedy, dude. Yeah. This is crazy. As his ties of George Bush. Early life. Go to his early life.

He came from the wealthy family in native Cuba, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. attended school in Pennsylvania, dropped out, joined the anti-communist league in the Caribbean. When did he join? In September 1960, he joined a group called of Cuban exiles in Guatemala supported by the CIA to receive military training.

So that's probably when he got recruited because the CIA organized a bunch of Cuban exiles to pull the Bay of Pigs invasion off. So that's probably when they recruited him. It was like 1960. No shit. Because I think Bay of Pigs was 61. That's parra.

Okay, in 1967, the CIA again recruited Rodriguez to train and head a team to hunt down Che Guevara. Wow. Holy fuck. He was attempting to throw. So he was part of the, because Guevara got killed in Bolivia. So he was part of that. Oh, so this guy is deep in it. Deep, bro.

Holy shit. So he was the one in the house in Guadalajara. Yes. When Kiki Kamerino, the DEA, it was getting tortured to death. Yep. That documentary, can we pull. up the name of that. Everybody who's interested in this subject needs to watch this. It is the best documentary

on this subject. It's because and then if you watch Narcos, you see that they leave that part out. If you watch Narcos Mexico on Netflix, they talk about that whole thing except the fact that those, the guy Jaime, who was

the white guy, Jamie, he was leading in the show. He was like the head of the DEA office down there. Right. Right. He actually in real life, according to the documentary, I think he like stonewalled the investigation to make sure it couldn't go any further. Right. You know what I mean?

It was, oh, dude, my fucking nipples are hard. I got chills down my spine right now. Search crazy. Kiki Kamerana. No, no, no, no. You got to search Kiki Kamerana documentary. Yeah, it's on Amazon. It's on Amazon.

Yes, it's on Amazon. But it's incredible. Yes. It is sad as fuck, man. Yeah. Yeah. He was gone on his way to lunch to have lunch He'd his wife and gets kidnapped right out front of the DEA office.

Yep, yep. And that happened during the Cold War all the fucking time. So many times it's like, you know, supposedly trying to do the right thing or trying to fight drugs. It's been the CIA stopping, actually helping the criminals. They didn't, it's not just with, you know, Rick Ross and the Nicaraguan's and cocaine. And it was with, you know, the heroin kingpins in Southeast Asia. Yeah. Right.

During the Vietnam War, they were allowing all of this heroin trafficking to go on because... The last narc. The last narc. That's it. It's a docket series about the 1985 death of DEA agent Kiki Camerino. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Amazing fucking doctor.

Yeah, but that guy, that guy, Felix, he never, he's out free. I think he lives in Miami right now. Yeah. Yeah. Which is wild. And I wonder why they left that out of narcos. You know? It's a little too deep because I think the powers that be were like,

this is a little too wild. I wonder what the pressure was on that to leave that part out because that is like one of the most intriguing parts of the whole story. I think it's self-censorship because we all know about, I think it is. I don't think it's the CIA coming down to the offices in Netflix in Hollywood. It's not that because we all know about the Rick Rock. story now, right? They've made movies about that. We all know that the CIA was, you know, assisting Nicaraguan drug traffickers who were supplying Ricky Ross, Freeway Rick, right? We all know

that. So we know that the CIA is this shadowy, fucked up organization. So I don't think it's, I just, yeah, I think it's, I think it's just a little too much, it's almost unbelievable. So I think maybe the, the showrunners were like, this is just, we want to make a Hollywood ending. you know and uh this is not this is not a neat ending it's why i wonder what what i was getting to originally is people like el mio like what really are his threats other than rival cartels like i don't think which are barely a threat and and is the mexican government is not a threat right like they're bought they're bought and paid for by the car like the mexican government is essentially a branch of the cartel yeah yeah from what i guess from what i guess

And of course, like I'm, you know, a novice at this. But from what, from speaking to, you know, guys like Luis and reading and, there's, there's like a tacit agreement between, you know, the cartel kingpins and the Mexican government. When the Mexican government feels pressure, especially from the U.S., they, they will tell the kingpins like somebody's got to go. So the most powerful, yes, they're, they're an arm of the cartel. but really the cartel is an arm of the government. That's how I see it. Because the most powerful, you know, gang really is the high political class that's, you know, been around for generations in Mexico.

That's the only reason that the cartel could exist as it does. So I think it goes government cartel, not the other way around. Right. And that's probably why we got El Chapo. It probably just became a... Totally. It was a PR nightmare. It was a PR nightmare.

Yeah, it was this bad publicity. And I might be speaking out of pocket. I wish Luis was here because this is his scoop, but he's not. I am. So this is my clickbait. Sorry, Luis. I mean, we all know this. Mayo gave up Chapo.

He had to have, right? We know he did. It was his son. So his son, one of Mayo's many children, but the son that was organizing cocaine transport through Mexico City, this is back, I can't remember, mid-2000s, he basically gets kidnapped by the DEA. They come to him and they say, we want to have. a meet. We want to discuss a deal

with you. He meets with them. They fucking kidnap him. They arrest him, but that's kidnapping, right? Your American agents on foreign soil. They take him back to Chicago, to the States, and they say, look, you're never going to see the light of day again. Around this time, Chapo is making a lot

of bad publicity for Cina Loa, right? Mayo never liked that. Mayo... He was just like a Sliu's old school. He was mainly, like, he grew up being a butcher, from very young. He was just a killer. I'm not sure. I'm sure he dropped a lot of bodies. He was a farmer. He tended to poppy fields, right?

But, you know, as these guys get more famous, they fall in love with the clout, you know? So, yeah, he was making a lot of bad publicity for the Sinaloa cartel. And he was really a glorified manager, too, I want to point out. Like, they have him on a wiretap talking to the Flores brothers, who were their main, Sina Loa's main heroin distributor through Chicago. Right.

And he's discussing a heroin deal with that. I heard that audio. Like, why would a kingpin ever be talking on the phone about a deal? That's what a manager does. So Chapa was really, he was a glorified, uh, general manager.

Right. You know? Right. So, so when Mayo's son gets popped, we've all got all of this going on, right? Uh, Mayo is on, he's on a recorded jail call.

His son calls him from jail. And basically, Mayo goes, you do what you got to do. And so that was basically him telling his son, you can go ahead and give up info on Chapo. And that's exactly what he did. So, and that got him out of a life sentence.

So they gave Mayo's son 15 years. But the info that he gave up on Choppo led to his final arrest. Okay. Wow. So, so flash forward to 2019. Chapo's son Ovidio, El Raton they call him, gets raided by the military in Kulia Khan, a block from where we were just staying.

And Mayo, out of whatever sense of guilt for having been responsible for getting his dad incarcerated in the United States forever, says, you're not taking his son. Wow. Yeah, wild. And so they come down and they stop the military from taking his son.

So it's, it's, it's, dude, the Mexican telenovelas, the soap operas, it's lived out in real life. And these stories, I mean, there's a million of these stories. So many of them. Yeah. So many of them, dude. Choppos, one of Choppos brothers was shot to death in prison. I didn't even know this. Yeah.

He was in a maximum security prison. He was shot to death. I don't know exactly. But it's just like that kind of shit, right? It's, uh, they live a very gaucho, machismo, uh, dramatic lifestyle. It's like played out in real life. Yeah. That's where they get these stories from, even though they seem corny to us, like you watch

these like, you know, uh, these like, be, I call them B movies or, you know, these kind of like like low budget shows on Netflix, right? But they, they're taking these stories from real life. Yeah. Well, you know, the other thing about the cartels is how much. fucking money they make by trafficking people across the U.S. border. Yeah, that's big too. That's big too.

Eight grand ahead. Yeah, and that's way better business because, you know, like, there's no way those people are getting intercepted, like coming from Colombia. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it's actually way better. I'd much rather smuggle people. Yeah. Wouldn't you?

Yeah. And you always need people. Like, there's always, like, it's a never-ending supply of people that want to get across and it's just yeah i don't know seems like a better gig yeah i had um uh ed calderone in here a couple weeks ago and he was basically talking about how the cartels loved trump because he put on that whole border thing yes they love that that makes the price go up yes that makes the price go up exactly i'm like dude the cartels love the republicans cartels are fiscal and social republicans they really are you know that's so yeah yeah yeah okay so

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we, our guy, our trap rapper, the guy, our liaison. What was his name again? El Enfermo. El Infermo.

Yeah. Yeah. We may have to bleep that out. I'm considering bleeping it out because what I'm about to say, what I'm about to say, I don't know. I don't know if it can get him

in that much trouble. I think it kind of, it's exaggerated a little. bit. But anyways, he brought us to a little section, like a three or four block section in the, like the downtown area of Kulia Khan. And we're driving by. And he points out all of these little stands. They're like almost like a little outdoor, uh, yeah, they're just little stands. They could be fucking lemonade stands, but they're, their money exchange places. So you can exchange dollars for pesos there. And what do you think?

happening there. A lot of dollars, a lot of dirty narco-go dollars getting exchanged for pesos. He goes, yeah, they say they wash about $7 million a day just in this little four-block area. Seven million a day.

A day. That's a billion and a half dollars just in this one little neighborhood. Oh my God. In this one little city. Seven million dollars. And he's like, yeah, they own the, they own the machines too. So they're laundering money

at their own businesses. That's insane. Yeah, so there's a lot of money in drugs still. They are to, they are to Medellin. Cocaine is to Medellua, what all drugs are to Sinaloa and specifically Kulia Khan. Like I say that, it's like Silicon Valley of drug trafficking. They're on the cutting edge of everything and it's so ingrained in the culture. Now, I think Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru are the number one countries that are actually making Coke, right?

For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy in here two days ago who lives in the Amazon rainforest. Oh, I saw that. I saw that. So he was telling me that there's literal factories in the, like pop-up shops in the jungle where they're making this shit. Yeah. And he says that like under the Amazon, under like the canopies of the trees, they will cut out like tunnels where planes can fly down and land underneath the forest.

Wow. Just to reload their fucking planes. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's insane. Yeah, everybody's getting in on it. It is wild. It's getting it. Like, it's totally changed. Everybody is kind of an independent operator now. You know, the cartels exist, but, you know, I don't know how exactly it works in Columbia, but I know for, I know in, with Sinaloa in Mexico, the cartel is now just an armed military,

par-military group that guards drugs coming in from whoever basically wants to import them. Isn't that wild? So there's no more salary. There's no more payroll. It all got flattened. It all got after Chapo fell, the entire organization restructured. So nobody's on payroll anymore. There's no, they used to have,

everything used to be structured like a company, like a corporation. Right. Right. You know, the bodyguards, the people, you know, cooking the meth all the way up to, like the people that smuggled it across the border. Everybody was just paid a salary. Now that's all completely changed. Everything is independent. So it's just groups, families of different drug traffickers, smuggling drugs, cooking drugs, growing drugs. Nobody tells them what to buy, who to sell it to, how much to pay for it, how much they can earn, where to sell it. Interesting. What they do, the only thing they have to do is pay protection money to the cartels because they're

the ones who have the drug routes, the drug routes, the drug routes to America. to America. And they're also the ones who pay pay off the cops, the military politicians, etc. So it's a way different time. And it probably operates much that way in South America too. I would imagine.

Right? Because you can't, there's just too much technology now. You can't have a Pablo Escobar style Medellín cartel anymore. It's just, it's too easy to take something like that down. But you cannot take down the Sinaloa cartel. You just can't. You can't. Compartmentalized. Exactly.

Now, you said something about Australia being the biggest market. Oh, the best place to sell drugs is 1,000% Australia. Dude, a gram of Coke is like 400 bucks there. That's fucking wild, dude. I bought Coke for $2 a gram in Medellegine. Two bucks a gram at a thousand grams a shot. So imagine you get two of those to Australia, two keys to Australia and just sell it out gram for gram.

You got a fucking house on Sydney Harbor. What are you doing, dude? It's mind blowing. Yeah. And it's obviously because it's so far away and it's so hard to get to. But I mean, you're paying all these expenses. So, like, all, like, that's all cost to get there. So how does that equate to more profit? Because, you know what I mean? Like, if it costs you that much to get it there, like, Yeah, but it's not that much. It's, it's, it's, you deal in volume, right? That's how you make money in the drug trade. You deal in volume.

And, and, yeah, you just buy the most for the cheapest. And, and, and you sell it. for the highest. That's crazy, dude. Yeah. Are there a lot of, like in, where you visited in Columbia, are there a lot of Australians and Europeans down there? Yeah, definitely, definitely. There's a lot of Europeans, a lot of Canadians, a lot of Australians, a lot of black

Americans are in Columbia now, which is crazy, right? And I was like, why is that? And I was like, oh, because they like a nice, you know, black guys like a nice fat ass. We all know this. No, nothing wrong with that. And you'll find a nice fat ass in Columbia. So, but yeah, but they don't, they don't do coke as much as like, yeah, the people, like the tourists that live there, I mean, bro, I sold a kilo just out in grams and eight balls to, it took me less than a week to get a thousand grams off just to the tourist staying in these hostels where I was staying. I mean, it was insane.

These motherfuckers. And the majority of them are European, right? Yes. And Australian. and they're so used to paying so much for Coke that they go there and they just lose their fucking mind. They were like, what? What?

20 bucks for a gram? It sounds like a fucking heaven on earth down there. Yeah, it's not. It's not. I've heard a lot about like the women. They're like the women are like no other. Yeah, the women are really beautiful. Very beautiful, very outgoing.

Love to party. Love to have fun. They're not like women here. Yeah, right. Well, Florida's got some pretty great women, dude. Florida chicks. Oh, yeah, but none of those in Columbia. Yeah, no.

The prostitutes were probably on a whole other level on Columbia. Yeah. Here you got lot lizards. Yeah, so a lot of lot lizards. Yeah, Columbia's, I don't know, I'm jaded by it. Everybody loves going there. I'm like, this place is like, this place is like gross now because it's become like Cancun of South America. It's become like, you know, you name it.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's gross. Like you see these fucking, you see these like retarer. Can I say that? Yeah. Cool. Yeah, we're in fucking Florida, dude.

Get out your fucking gun. Let's play some Russian roulette before we go into the ad read. So, yeah, dude, but you just see this. He's like brain dead fucking junkie, because that's what they are. Junkie tourists who are like, you know, in the tourist sections, like the Red Light Districts, just, you know, like stumbling that down the street, like looking for fucking Coke and whores. It's just kind of a bad look.

You know what I mean? It's just kind of, I miss the days when it was just a little more dangerous because people kind of acted right, you know? Yeah. But what's starting to happen is these people are getting robbed and killed. And I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying these people that act out of pocket like that, these people that go there just like looking for hookers, like they're just so obviously like.

You're saying now they're robbing. Yes, yes. Like I even had a buddy. He met some girls on Tinder down there. And, you know, he went out and met them at a bar and was drinking with them. And he's like, man, I feel fucked up. And they go back to his place and he passes out and they robbed him for all his shit. They drugged him.

That happens all the time. That's like a business. That's a straight up like industry now is drugging and robbing tourists in Medellin. They used that thing. Vice News did a piece on it years ago. Skopolamine it's called. And that's the devil's breath. And that's like they take it out of a piece of flour that grows.

indigenous down there. It's, you take like a, like, just a little, like some seeds out of the middle of this flower and you can just like blow it on somebody or put it into powder and put it into somebody's drink. And it will make the person completely black out. But they'll have all of their motor skills. They'll have all full physical mobility. So people will get drugged with scopolamine and they will be walking around.

And so I could say, hey, take me up to your apartment and, give me your TV and all your money and all your furniture and you'll just do it. Really? Yeah. And then you'll wake up the next day. You won't have anything in your apartment. You're like, what the fuck happened? What is this shit called again?

Scopolamine. Scopolamine. Can we look that up? Yeah, we got to look that up, Austin. But it's, uh... I gotta get my hands on this. Yeah. Right?

Yeah, dude, it sounds rad. You just black the fuck out. So it would be like a quaylude. It would be like, you know, Lou... I'm gonna do a podcast on some scopolamine. Yeah, like, it would be like how quailudes were back in the day. You would have full function, full physical function, but you will, you black out. Yeah.

Pull up the, also known as the devil's breath. Yeah. There you go. Hysocon, high o's skin, high o skin, or the devil's breath. Yeah. Naturally or synthetically produced tropane alkaloid and antichlorogic drug that is formally used as a medication for treating motions. Oh, it's for treating motion sickness and post-operative nausea. Huh. Yeah.

When used by injection, effects begin about 20 minutes and last for up to eight hours. Maybe also used orally or with a transdermal patch. Yeah. So my buddy thinks he got maybe drugged with this. Huh. And, but yeah, it's wild. Like, just look up scopolamine, Columbia, and you'll see, hear all of these, you know, horror stories about, you know, guys that can't get laid in their own country going there. And, you know, this is kind of what happens. But, you know, I don't want to shit on it. I mean, there's got, there's tons of great things about it. But yeah, you know, drugs are, uh, they're a corrupting, you know, influence on society. Well, they're, it's only because of they're illegal, though, right? I mean, if drugs were illegal, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is.

Yeah, I suppose that's true. But it's. depends how you do it because in America, we try to make drugs illegal in San Francisco and Portland and Seattle and all of these places that are decriminalized and it's made things like five times as bad. So if you're going to make, yeah, dude, it's how fucked up. The tenderloin in San Francisco, dude, oh my God, they ruined that city because you let you let people basically there's no consequences for getting caught with drugs. People are openly fucking shooting up and, you know, having fentanyl overdoses and, you know, all this crazy shit. And it fucking. up like, you know, ordinary people's lives, right?

Yeah, but if it was legal, wouldn't that eliminate the fentanyl because it had to be regulated? Right. Like, if you could buy an ounce or a gram of Coke and no, like from a pharmacy. And know indefinitely that there's no fucking fentanyl in it. Right. I guess you're right. I guess the government would have to oversee it and basically make it. Right? And the U.S. just doesn't do that kind of shit well. We don't do medical Because what that is is like a public health

Revolutionary thing The US doesn't do that well We make money Exactly, that's all we do So you have to really like It has to be paired with like Law enforcement and like mental health treatment And like housing and all this shit

That we just don't fucking do good Yeah, that's true So you have to You know, I just learn You know, we thought the cartels We were going to go out of business When we became legal in the US And look at it's just

making them stronger. She's made Cino-Loa stronger. So it's how you do it. Right. And I don't think we're far behind Europe in the way that they like treat drug addiction, you know? Do you think the whole scare about Coke intentionally being laced with fentanyl is real? I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad you brought that up.

We cover it in this week's episode. Oh, really? Yes. Dude, let me be, can I just break this? Nobody's talking about this on the internet. Yeah. I talked about it multiple times in this podcast because it doesn't fucking. it makes sense to me.

But this response, the cartels are almost without a doubt not spiking the blow their cocaine with fentanyl. In fact, they're taking measures now to prevent people from using cocaine that's laced with fentanyl. All right? Do you remember when I told you earlier that the drug cartels have become completely decentralized? when they move drugs, they move them to the border, right, with the U.S., and usually sell them wholesale to Americans or, you know, Mexican Americans, Latino Americans, who then smuggle them across the border. After that, the cartel's out of it.

They're like, there's no more cartel members that come to the states, basically, and that sell drugs for their bosses back home. They're selling it wholesale and then retreating into the safety of Mexico. So the people that are spiking the Coke with fentanyl are stupid dealers in the U.S. that are trying to stretch the brick, trying to stretch the Coke. But are they trying to stretch the Coke with fentanyl? Because if you're, if I'm a Coke dealer, I want people to keep buying my Coke. Not dying.

Not dying. So is it, I mean, is it, here's what. I've kind of assimilated from the whole thing is there's all there's I've read an article about I think it might have been a vice article where a guy went to like every big city across the US and tried the Coke sounds like a vice article yeah yeah and basically

what he found out was that the cheap dealers who like they're who are selling to people on the streets like yeah like low levels yeah drug dealers they those drug dealers are also selling shit like heroin. Yeah. So they're selling Coke and heroin. Yeah. The high level drug dealers

who are dealing with like rich people or whatever, they're not selling heroin. Right. Most likely, right, right. So the people that we know for a fact that they cut heroin with fentanyl. Right. Because almost the same effect.

Right. One is more stronger. Well, but they is not the cartel. No, no. It's dealers in the U.S. Yes, yes. So, so, yes, low level guys, guys buy an ounces.

are using fentanyl to stretch coke because A, if there's an overdose, this is crazy, but fiends want it more, especially with heroin, but also I think with cocaine a little bit. If there's an OD, you know, whether it results in the death or not,

you know, the junkies find out about that and they're like, oh, he's got the bomb shit. I think that's one of the reasons. I think the other reason is a little bit of fentanyl goes a long way. So, and if you've built up a tolerance to it, I think, I don't know, I think it's a different high. I don't exactly know the mindset behind somebody,

a dealer that would do that. But we can say for a fact that the cartels are not spiking their coke, their wholesale coke with fentanyl, because what we found out when we were down there from Luis is that in order to prevent that, the cartel is starting pressing the heroin they make. the fentanyl that they cook, they've started pressing it into pink pills

and exporting the pills. So that way, if a dealer is chopping up fentanyl with Coke, that Coke is going to be, it's going to have a pinkish, reddish hue to it. So, yeah, you guys, stay away from that. If you use cocaine and you see that it's got a red hue to it, that means it's got fentanyl in it. So the cartels are doing us a favor.

Trying to, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because so what I assume, assumed is that the low-level dealers were selling Coke on one hand and heroin on the other hand could be mixing it up on the same table. There's cross-contamination too, for sure. Yeah, that absolutely happens. But what you're saying is there, it would be a case where having fentanyl in Coke would make somebody more addicted.

Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way after spending time with these guys, I'm like, they are way too shrewd. They're way too on point. they would never be intentionally killing off, you know, their clientele. They would never be.

And in fact, the penalty within the cartel for selling fentanyl in Kuliacan is death. No questions asked. There is a mandate from on high, the man himself, he's like, there is Zambada. Oh, from Zimbada, okay. Yeah, and whoever leads, you know, Ovidio, who leads the Chapitos, right? That's the other wing of the Sinaloa cartel. Yeah. There is to be no selling of fentanyl in Sina Loa.

state that is for export only. So it's like, there's, they know how dangerous it is. Right. They know how bad it. They're like, we would never taint. We would never taint a wholesale load of, of Colombian Coke with fentanyl. Right. Like we keep that shit. These markets are different, you know? Yeah. So, and I believe it. It makes,

sense. These guys are smart. The China thing is really weird how they have really like sunk their teeth into Mexico so much. Yes. Yes. With the, uh, the lithium mining and the fentanyl and all the other things but they've been balls deep in mexico for a long fucking time yes absolutely absolutely yep and then just keep shipping more and more chemicals precursor chemicals over there it reminds me of like the russia ukraine thing right now because like ukraine is like a tug of war between the united states that's right and russia right and it's mexico is like in a tug of war between the

united states and china china yeah the u.s doesn't really i mean the u.s does a little bit of business in Mexico, I guess. Yeah. But China is really fucking sinking their teeth into Mexico. They're playing Cold War with Mexico. And it makes me wonder if the U.S. would ever just fucking invade Mexico. Yeah, I...

But we're just like... We don't really need to invade because we're already... We already have, like, so many people in Mexico. Yeah. Like the DEA and the CIA and all these people. I think Mexico is going to become like China in their manufacturing capabilities. That's what I think.

I think Mexico's on the come-up. I think... Yeah, there's a lot of natural resources in Mexico. Totally. And there's cheap labor, and it might not be as cheap as China, but who gives a fuck? It's going to be better. And it's right, it's our southern neighbor. So what China's proven is, like, we cannot depend on them to manufacture our goods.

Because the next crises that comes up, that's just more power that they have. They love choking off, you know, products to us, right? That's like part of the war that they made. part of that subtle war that they're always making with the U.S. And they're still locking people down. So it's like you can't depend on them to be your main manufacturer of your import goods. So why not make it Mexico? Right.

You know? Yeah, I think it was Apple. I saw an article recently that Apple is like diversifying a huge portion of its manufacturing of the iPhone and the MacBook out of China to I think Bangladesh maybe. Right. Some are crazy, but they're already starting to diversify away from China. Yeah. People are getting away from it. They're like, the cost is not, it's not worth it anymore. Like when you factor in all of that bullshit and the fact that they're going to steal your idea, like if you're an inventor, right. And you have a product and you want to go over and manufacture it in China, they're going to take it from you. So it's just not worth it. It's cheaper. You might as well just manufacture it here in the U.S.

You know? Yeah. China's such a weird thing, too. Like, I think if you get caught, oh, Apple Explores moving some, oh, they're exploring. moving some iPad production to India sources. When was this published? It's a bunch of companies doing it. Oh, this was just just published. Yeah, there's a ton of companies doing it. I had this guy

on here multiple times who was a former mortgage fraudster and we one time we did like a whole episode about China. He's like a fucking he's a genius. He knows every, he's an encyclopedia on China and it's funny

when you look into the laws in China. and like how many laws are punishable by death? Yeah. Fraud. Any kind of financial fraud is death. That's wild. So you run a Ponzi scheme. They're cutting your head off.

Or mortgage fraud. Or you fucking... Write a bad check. You white out and change your fucking income on a mortgage application or something. Wow. Can we look up all of the death punishable things in China? Yeah. Find a list of all of the crimes that are punishable by death in China.

it is pretty wild. And it... What's so funny is, though, like, obviously, like, the biggest fraudster is the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah. They can just take all your shit. Like, it doesn't matter. You have to...

You can't do business in China. Like, kind of how you can't do business in Sinaloa without the cartels blessing. You can't do business in China without the government being involved. You have to go to them first, you know? Betrayal of the country, number one. zoom in on that a little bit? It's kind of small.

Armed rebellion and rioting. Armed rebellion and rioting. Collaborating with the enemy and betrayal. I love these words they use. Spying or espionage. Does that say flooding? Yes, flooding. What the fuck does that

mean? Explosion? Spreading hazardous. Keep going down. Spreading hazardous substances. Highjacking in aircraft. Trafficking in women and children. Robbery. Rape, intentional injury That could be a fight These are all things that like you would

You would not be surprised about This is all things that was gathering crowds To raid a prison with weapons Defying orders Okay defying orders in wartime is punishable Well think about that like it's bad But we're looking at a list of things that are punishable by death Yeah right

Surrender punishable by death Unreal that's some old school Soviet shit Retreaters will be shot Google, like, fraud and drug crimes punishable by death in China. I think China actually executes, like, way more people than any other country every year. They have mobile death squads. They'll come to your house and kill you.

Right. Right. That's very convenient. They got an app for it. It's like Uber eats, too. Yeah, Uber Gallows. Yo, that could be, but you, that's. It's literally covers almost everything.

That could be anything. Like rioting, you could call the people that are protesting against the lockdowns rioters. Yeah, 100%. Oh, I would be. I'm terrified. I will never go to China. Not until things change. I'm terrified, dude.

Yeah, bro, that's fucking scary. Surrender. So, yeah. How old were you? And at what point did you get busted and actually go to prison? I was 24 when I got locked up. I was 24. And I had made my million bucks.

You know, I'd achieved what I had set out to. And I just got popped. I never got caught with any drugs, actually. I got caught with a bunch of money. I got caught with money. Yeah, it was the people that were shipping my, that was shipping my money back from the East Coast. It got picked up by either like a drug sniffing dog,

probably in like a sorting facility. and they put a little tracking device in it and it brought them to me. Yeah, that's simple, right? I didn't even know the dogs could sniff money. Oh, dude, it's like one of the main ways that cops go after drug dealers now is their money. Because I can lose all the drugs in the world.

I could just go to my guy, my grower, and be like, hey, I need you to front me 50 pieces, right? Right. And he can always do that pretty much. But, dude, if I lose half a million bucks, that's gone. So these guys would, these guys were not the brightest. Some of these guys were a little, they got a little loose at the end. They would send me over packages of 30, 40, 50 grand.

And it would just reek, would reek of fucking weed smoke. It was like they were smoking blunts as they were counting my money up and like blowing it on the money. I'm like, are you guys, are you doing this on purpose? Do you want me to go to prison? Are you the fucking feds? I would tell them you got to, you got to wrap my money with the same care that I wrap your dough. Oh, yeah. I remember you're saying that.

vacuum seal my cash. Yeah, you have to. So, but no, the drugs are, think about how drugs are on money all the time. Coke, weed, everything. So those dogs must have hit on it. And it brought them to me. So, yeah, yeah.

That simple. It wasn't a wiretap. It wasn't all these fucking cartel members that I was dealing with in Columbia or the Sina Loans that I was picking up, you know, massive 100, 100 pound orders at a time from in Northern California. It was something as dumb. as simple as

them intercepting a package of money. Yeah. But that's how it goes in the game, dude. How did it go down? Like, what was that day? Like, did they knock on your door? No, no, no, no. I was, I went down. I had different locations where I would get my money packages sent to.

I would get them either FedEx or UPSed in, right? The next day, like next day air. Yeah. And I went to pick up one of the packages at a like a P.O. box where I would receive, you know, it was under a fake name, right? But I picked the package up and I walked out and I got my car and I see it's the fucking, I see these two suburbans following me. And I'm like, oh shit, this is it. So I took, I was like, well, I'm definitely not going home now, right? I'm not going back to where I live now. So I fucking hit it. I took, you know, I took him on a little high speed chase through the neighborhood. I actually got away. I got away. And I talked to, I talked about this on an episode. I talked to my lawyer. I was going like, like 90 through school zones, right? I talked to my lawyer. He was like, the reason they didn't pursue, follow you,

because they kind of backed off when they saw that I was like revving it. I had a Dodge Magnum at the time. That was the hot car in 2010. And that thing, you know, it's got a fucking hemmy. That thing bolts, moves. So that's what the cops drive usually. So I had a better car than the cops. And my lawyer was like, yeah, they didn't give chase because most like local pigs,

Most local cops don't speed through neighborhoods because if they hit somebody and get killed, that person can sue. They're liable. So it's kind of a safety thing. So, you know, if any of you considering a high-speed chase, do it through a school zone. Yeah.

Be responsible and do it through a school zone. So I was daytime. School wasn't out yet. So, yeah, but then I made it back safely. So I parked the car in a little, tiny little residential area. and I It's dark It's almost dark now

I make it back to my place I don't have any bills in my name or anything I've never sold drugs at my place I don't think anybody knows what my parents didn't even know where I lived Only one person knew where I lived Okay One person that I dealt with Okay

He was another drug dealer but I didn't sell drugs to him Okay I didn't deal with him at all He was just an old friend from the neighborhood Okay and he would come over and he would smoke weed every now and then catch up so

anyways I go back to my I get back to my place and I'm like nobody knows where I live I should be fine I didn't see anything Chloe I get into my house fucking lock the door get under my covers you know I'm fucking shaking I'm traumatized I lay my head back to fucking take a nap and then I just wake up to just

pounding on the fucking door police police police so I go down there and I'm like guys relax relax, it's just me, there's no guns in here, right? I'm a fucking rich guy. Like, I'm not, I'm not selling meth. Like, do you know what I mean? So, they run up in there, fucking search the place,

find some keys to some safe deposit boxes, find a bunch of cash right there. End of the day, I think they, they must have confiscated like $750,000, $800,000. Oh, my God. So that one hurt. But I kept thinking, how the fuck do they know where I lived? my lawyer looked into it later.

I gave him the name of this guy, the only person had ever been in my house. I'm like, this guy's, he's a drug dealer. There's no way, I didn't sell drugs to him. There's just no way he was involved. And he goes, I think that guy might be ratting, working for the cops, and they're letting him operate on the streets.

Right? Right. And I looked into it further. I talked to some guys also who knew this kid, from the neighborhood and they were like yeah that dude that dude's been caught before never done a day of jail time that guy is working for the portland police they're letting him sell drugs and and just like just like the cartel members just like myo fed chopo to the cops right to the fucking feds mexican military this guy had quotas he would have to feed different guys

to, you know, the cops. So to basically to stay out of prison. So, you know. Did they offer you the same deal? They wanted to get me to snitch right away. Yeah. They thought I was, they saw all this money and they were like, oh, there's, you absolutely, you are definitely working with the cartels.

There's no question. They were like, give us, give us your suppliers right now. We'll kick you out right now. You will not, we won't even put the handcuffs on you. But what would they do if you're like, oh, okay, my suppliers, the fucking in the then a un car in the fucking well the senolo cartel like what are they going to do they can't do well well but remember i'm buying my pot from senaloan cartel members that are operating in the u.s yeah that doesn't really happen anymore because weeds basically legal they they stay in mexico now but i was buying from a guy

in a little town on the border of northern california and they had these huge pot grows up in the forest. They would hike on federal land hours away from everything and they would run irrigation through it. I mean, only Mexican guys have that kind of work ethic to be able to find enough sunlight and enough water.

And I mean, it's amazing. And they would have like, you know, thousands and thousands of plants every year. And so what the cops wanted to do, they could, they would have been like, dude, we'll, we'll give you marked money. Right? You can use the money we just found. We could use your money.

and yeah, we'll wire you up, we'll mark the money, and you go start making buys for us, right? Like, that's probably how they would have done it. I imagine if I had decided to cooperate, you know? But I'm like, you guys don't have any fucking drugs. Like, I'm fighting this, you know what I mean? Right. I can't say, dude, if I was facing 30 years in prison for drugs,

I can't sit here with a straight face and say I wouldn't cooperate. Like, who fucking knows, right? You know? Yeah, that's one of the biggest, like, wives tales about prison, I feel like. Yeah. At least that from what I've heard is that like the whole like snitching is the worst thing you can do. How dare you consider being a snitch when like 99.9% of the people that are. Most people in federal prison probably have cooperated in some way because the drug laws are so harsh that,

especially back in the day with crack. Yeah. That just because a guy's doing 10 years doesn't mean he didn't snitch. He was just keeping himself from doing 30 or life, you know, taking deals cooperating. Right. So, yeah, it's a, it is like, it's such a cruel thing that the law does. You know, they take your life and they just dangle it in front of your face. Do you like your life?

That is, right? I got a way out. That's, I got a way out. It's evil, bro. And they act like they're your savior. Like, we're going to help you out here. Yeah. You know?

So, but yeah, it's. So you knew because they didn't find any drugs, just cash. Yeah. You knew that. Yeah, I would never cooperate on the spot anyway. Like if you're, if you're, you know, you never talk to the cops. You get your lawyer and, and there's deals that are made behind closed doors. But you would never sign anything.

You would never, you know, you don't have to talk to them. You can just clam up, you know? Like, because you're not going to talk your way out of it. I'll tell you that much. I mean, I tried. I was like, look, I tried to bribe them because these were like, these are, there was only like four guys over at the house. Okay. So I, and these were like guys in.

track suits. They hadn't made a big commotion. They didn't come in there. These were undercovers. They didn't come in with the SWAT gear. You know, they, I don't even think the neighbors, because I lived in a nice area, I didn't think the neighbors knew what was going on at this point. They didn't kick the door down. I let them in, you know, because they had the, they had the warrant. I was like, dude, look at all this cash. Like your boss isn't here yet. Your supervisor's not here. Take this money. I will go get you another 200,000. Just give me a day. just give me a day and I'll come back. I'll, I'll, I'll be around.

I'll, I'll work for you and I'll give you this money. Just let me get out of here. And what I was going to do is go get the rest of my cash if they had, if they had gone for it. And I was going to flee. I was going to go to Columbia. Did you think they would consider it at all? Nope.

What was their reaction? Nope. These fucking dorks. They got pissed. These fucking nerds. I was like, this is such a Northwest white boy bullshit. If these were Italians from fucking. You know, the South Bronx or, you know, Boston.

Yep. Some Irish cops. They would have been on their fishing boats already. Yep. They would have been retired. But anyways, you know, the guy, one of the guys got pissed. He was like, you motherfucker. Like, they took it as an insult, you know?

I'm like, hey, dude. Fucking nerd. Just offering you dorks. That's stupid. Yeah. So what ended up happening? You ended up. So they brought me in.

They couldn't get anything out of me. So they arrested me. They brought me in. They booked me. I was denied bail. like I didn't have I had bail money they were like no you don't have the judge was like I will not set a bail for you because you're clearly a high level you know you're you're you seem to be a high flight risk because of the amount of cash we caught with you were yeah we're skit where we think you have international criminal connections uh so yeah you got to fight your case from jail from county jail and that's the hardest time that is the hardest every day feels like a week In county jail? Yeah.

Every week feels like a year. It is brutal. The deprivation. Where was the jail at? This was in Portland. In Portland. Okay. Yeah.

And you think Portland's like this nice, you know, you associate it with like, you know, vegan donuts. But man, there's gang banging going on. Yeah. And in county jail, dude, the first thing you do, you walk in, you have to fight. First, like, one of the first things I did on my first morning walked out, they were like, hey, skinny kid, who are you fighting? You got a fade. you're going to fade now or you're going to have to we're going to beat you up and you're going to have to go to protective custody and hang out with the child molesters and I'm like all right well I guess we're going to fucking fight so you got into a bunch of fights yep dude I got to like five or six fights in my eight months that I was in county fight in my case and that's what that's what kicked my security level up to like uh you know the highest the highest level it could be and that's why I got sent to a maximum security prison so how fucked up is that that's like a guy who doesn't even I shouldn't be around I shouldn't be in a cell with a guy doing 500 years who was a shot caller for the hell's angels.

Like, why am I a nonviolent kid, you know, stepping over bodies in a maximum security prison? It's because I had to fight when I was in jail. So they make it, they make it so you can't prevent it, you know? That's fucking terrifying, man. Yep. So what was it like finally getting transferred out of the county jail to the super, it was a supermax or does that? No, no, no, no, no.

It was just a max. It was just a max security. Two Rivers Correctional Facility. There's a medium and a maximum. It's like two different facilities on the same piece of land. But, you know, you're begging to go to prison. After being in county for that long, you're just like, oh, my God, like, let me get to, like, a home. Let me get this wrapped up, you know, like, whatever my fate's going to be, let's go.

So, you know, they put you on, first of all, they send you to, like, a whole assorting facility, You didn't go to the prison until you got sentenced, right? That's right. You get sentenced. So we came, we agreed. We took a plea deal finally. So the longer you wait, the longer you fight your case, if you've got a good case, right? Meaning it's not a slam dunk for the prosecution.

The more willing they're going to be to make a good deal with you. So my lawyer would tell me, just hang on, buddy. Because the longer you can wait, the more they, like the prosecutor wants to get your case off the books. Right? Right. Because it's all about statistics. They want as much incarceration time as possible because it justifies, you know, budgets every year and all this stuff and just keeping the apparatus going in their job. And I'm sure you didn't have a public defender. No, I had a good lawyer.

Yeah. I had a very good lawyer. He was an obese fat. We called him the fat man. We called him the fat man, Gorski. That's his real name. Shout out Gorski. One of the best defense lawyers in the Portland metropolitan area.

And I hired him because I'm like a guy with this much money to eat has got to be winning some cases. So he was like, the longer you stay in here, the more they're willing to play ball. So signed a plea deal for 36 months, money laundering, conspiracy. Yeah, and then they ship you out of jail that night. They wake you up and they say, roll up. And you put all your belongings in a sack. And they put you on a bus. They put you on the chain.

And then they sent us to a prison, like a holding facility where you wait, right until they find a bed space for you in whatever prison you're going to go to right right so I was there and that's like being in like solitary confinement they keep you locked up basically 24 hours a day in a little cell so that was torturous too and yeah then the day they say hey you're you're going off to two rivers and I was like fuck it's the last place I wanted to go to

because that's a rough prison and it's eight hours from Portland in the middle of nowhere right eastern Oregon and and so they put us on a chain, right? We call it the gray goose. You're locked up. You got your your ankles and your wrists are bound and you know, you're on the, you're on the bus for eight hours. They take you off, right? You step off the bus. You're chained up side by side. And, you know, you're like, wow, this is, this is your new home. You're completely, it's an out-of-body experience. You've never been through the prison system before. Nobody tells you what's going on either. So you're like, I'm just being brought through this gigantic bureaucracy. and I don't even know

I don't even know why half of the things are as they are and so we're lined up they get us off the bus off the gray goose in front of two rivers we're lined up chained up together and this big Samoan dude he's maybe like three or four men down for me on the chain

he fucking as soon as they uncuff him he turns and he fucking punches this guy next to him he drops him like hard as fuck just drops him that dude ended up dying He killed that dude And the guy who punched him From the punch Yes

And that guy was a Samoan guy And he was a lifer And so he was trying to prove his stripes right away Yeah and I was like Oh my Over some Marijuana Over some fucking weed

And now 11 years later My fucking you know My mom smokes it to Takes gummies to go to bed Wow Yeah Yeah Yeah

Wow So that's, you know, and there's been far worse stories of guys, you know, get locked up behind weed and drugs specifically. Yeah. How many of the guys that you met that were in that prison were in there for something similar to you? There's like nonviolent drug. I was pretty unique. I was pretty unique in that way because in that prison, that was mostly, you know, violent criminals and a lot of sex offenders and a lot of, yeah, a lot of people doing life. Most guys at my level of the drug game would have gone to federal prison

or they would have been in a lower security prison. So I was pretty unique. Oh, so you were in a state prison. I was in a state prison. Oh, shit. How did I miss that? I didn't catch a Fed charge. Yeah, yeah, I didn't catch a Fed charge.

The fed's confiscated my money. So the day I got arrested, they sent the DEA and Homeland Security down to investigate me. And they originally did charge me with a federal crime. But when they couldn't link, when they didn't have any links, links to drug sources. Right. They were like, this is, I guess they thought it wasn't worth their time. So they just seized the money and then gave the case back to the state.

Fuck. Yeah. It would have been way better to be in a federal prison, right? Not a maximum security federal prison. Those are far, that's a myth. The lower security. Yeah. And I have a lot of these guys on my podcast and you hear their stories.

And it's like, it makes my time look pretty tame. Yeah. Considering. Yes, the low level federal securities, like the camps, that's cake. Right. That's where like, you know, they send the Wolf of Wall Street. He's playing tennis and shit. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. It depends where I would have got sent to.

But no, those max federal prisons are as tough, usually a lot more violent than an average state prison. Really? Because people are doing so much time. And there's people from everywhere. There's gangbangers and drug dealers from Chicago and New York and L.A. And, yeah, it's wild. Go listen to my podcast. I got some stories coming up from these guys in your.

you're just like, this is some third world shit. You would hear, you would hear stories about this. You know, like my friend who was on my show, Big Herk, he's got a great. Oh, yeah, I'm familiar with him. Yeah, you know, yeah, he's got a great YouTube channel. He would be like, yeah, people would get stabbed. And if the guy didn't die, like if the guy who was doing the stabbing, if the guy he stabbed didn't die, they would just send the dude, the perpetrator to the hole for 30 days.

And then they bring him back out because they didn't want to deal with it. Because there was so much of that going on. Yeah. Yeah. They would send the guy who got stabbed to the hole. That's so crazy. My friend Matt, who was in prison for mortgage fraud for like 12 years. Oh, thank God it was in China, dude.

Yeah, exactly. He went to do Big Herk's podcast. And when he was doing his podcast, he explained to him that he basically found everyone he could to snitch on to lower his sentence. He got like 10 years off a sentence by snitching on people. Wow. He even found people in prison, like one old, like the one old. guy who ran a Ponzi scheme, kept walking the yard with him every day and getting him to

tell him stuff. He just gave it. The guy ended up only getting like an extra year and a half on a sentence, but Matt got like five years off his sentence for basically stitching on this guy. So he was telling Big Herk about like casually, he's like he's like, he's like, he's like, possibly could. And I guess Big Hurk

almost ended the podcast. Right. For sure. He wanted to like, he was like started sweating and he was like about to like stop like stop recording and like kick him out of the hotel hotel room they were in. Yeah, I would that's despicable. Matt said it was the most uncomfortable conversation he's ever had.

Yeah, I fucking, I believe it, dude. That kind of shit is despicable. Like, there's one thing. It's one thing to like give up info. And this is what a guy was explaining to me too. Like, there's a difference between snitching and ratting. Snitching when you're in jail means like you're cooperating with authorities about something outside of the prison, right?

whether it's your case or whatever. And you might just get beat down for that. You know, you might just get beat down or exiled or whatever. That's kind of like nobody's business, you know? Right. But fucking ratting, ratting like that in prison where everybody's supposed to be like, we're like in this together. Yeah.

That's despicable. But a guy who committed mortgage fraud. Like you can't expect that guy to be, you know. No. That's a gigantic lie. At least he doesn't lie about it. Right. At least he's open about it.

Right. You know what? I'm fine with. that. I guess that's, that's, we can, we can give him that. You got to get this guy on your podcast. Oh, I will. You and him. I will not end the conversation. I would be like, I could, does he live in LA? No, he lives here. Oh, we'll get him out there. He lives like an hour from here. You and him in a room together. I could listen to that for fucking hours. You guys would, you guys would be great. Uh, yeah, it was, um, yeah, you know, people do a lot of things to save their skin. But man, that guy's lucky he didn't get a fucking bone crusher. You know, he didn't get, he's actually,

he's actually, he is five foot, five foot five with a good pair of shoes on. Wow, he's a tiny little twink. Tiny little guy. And that's what, he said, that's what, pretty much what Morgan motivated his entire life. His whole, like, is his fraud. Yeah.

His stature. He had a thing for like hot single moms and buying him fake tits. Right, right. And he's like every single thing. He had met openly. basically I can honestly if I really think about it every single motivation in my life that has driven me has all gone back to my height short man syndrome who's on who is that honest about that that's pretty crazy that's incredible he's gone as far I mean he's got he spent like like 10 grain on his hair line to get his hair he's a better hair line than me he's looked into having uh his shins elongated My God, dude.

Wow. Dude. Just driven. What about some therapy? What about just being okay with yourself? You know? He wouldn't be as successful as he is now. What's he do now?

Now he's a podcast. He's a true crime podcast. And he writes books. Wow. He writes books. And he's successful at him. Oh, he's so successful. He's one of the most, like the first podcast I did with him on here was when he was

still in the halfway house. He had never done an interview anywhere. He just emailed me because he saw my show like some of the little documentaries I was doing on real estate. And he emailed me and he's like, hey, I went to jail for a mortgage fraud. Could you help me make a TV show? And I'm like, I don't know about that, but you come to my podcast and we'll see if anyone likes it. Yeah.

And that was like the jump off for this podcast. Oh, no shit. So that I did that. And within a week, it had a million views. Wow. So I'll definitely. I might be able to get a TV show made for him. I'm out in L.A.

You know, you never know. Well, he's already, now he's got, now that he's like made all the success. Now he's got like production companies and networks. knocking his door down. That's the way to do it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Matthew Cox. Oh, yeah, yeah. People have reached out to me telling me to get this guy on the show. Oh, man. He's great. I've done like 10 podcasts with him ever since we did that first podcast, I've never seen anybody take an opportunity and go so far. Yeah. He's the spokesperson. He's like the Ronald McDonald of Home Title Lock. Oh, really? So like he is on all these internet, like these nationwide TV commercials. Wow. Like do

and all this stuff. People fly him to do like talk at conferences. Right. So he's basically become like the Jordan Belford. Yeah. Speaking of the Wolf of Wall Street. He's, he talks about how you get away with it. He probably talks to law enforcement. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, guys go full. That's hilarious.

Guys go full rat, dude. Guys go full rat. He looks like a rat, doesn't he? He looks like a fucking rat. Oh my fucking God. It looks like a cheesy rat. You couldn't trust him as far as you could throw him. No, no. Dude, with that, with that grin, with that fucking teeth that are just just shining out of his mouth.

Home title lock has a fucking dedicated web page on their website for him. Cox falsified documents to make it appear that he owned properties and then fraudulently obtained several mortgages on them for five to six times their actual war. He acquired millions of dollars this way. It was between five and 25 million.

Wow. That's interesting. Wow. He began his life as a dedicated criminal in Central Florida. after that offense. So he was forging documents. Yes.

Lots of documents. He would go and rent a house and somehow get his hands on like the deeds and the mortgage paperwork. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He would Photoshop it. Unbelievable. And then go to the bank and say, you know, I forget exactly the fucking mechanics of it.

But he would somehow get a hold of that, those documents, Photoshop them and get a fucking loan on the house he was renting and put like a family, like a family with. kids. Yeah. This one family had like a special needs child and he basically put them, like, stole their house from them. By like, forging the documents.

It's kind of genius though. Like, I could just never, I don't know the first thing about any of that. It takes a certain kind of mind. I met a guy getting ready to go do Fed time that he had like a huge counterfeit money ring. And the guy,

it wasn't like, uh, yeah. And it wasn't no like amateur shit either. Like he was printing millions of dollars. and, you know, the way he was describing, like, how he got his hands on a money printing machine, you know, like from like some, again, Chinese guy. It was just, like, fascinating. So you get a lot of these guys in federal prison that are like geniuses like this, like masterminds.

This guy probably didn't go to a prison where there was a whole lot of stabbing. Yeah, no. He was in a medium. He was in a medium. Okay. So if you go to a medium, shit kicks off every now and then. but like if you kind of keep to yourself. Right.

I don't know. If people found out he was ratting though, did anybody know he was ratting in jail? I think a couple people actually did find out, but he found a way to get leverage on that person. Like he found a way to go to them like, hey, bro, I heard that this has been going around. I don't think you want everybody to know about this, do you?

Right, right, right. And he would use his dagger tongue to sort of serve up. Oh my God. I'm scared. to have this guy in my podcast. Is he going to dig shit up on me? He's a very nice guy. He's a very nice guy.

He doesn't talk about like the Lord. He does he found like Jesus. He looks like he looks like a cult leader. Absolutely. He looks like he gives it up to Jesus before every ad read he does. No, not at all. Oh, thank God. Michael Franchisee does that.

He's like, I give it up to Jesus Christ. And he's like the big. He was like the ex mobster that was making like crazy money. And I'm like, oh, do we have to give it up to Jesus? That was so 90s. Anyways. His podcast with Big Herk is a fucking nail-biter. Oh, wow.

That's so funny, dude. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Big Herk was a, he was a lot of fun to have on the show, though. Was he? Yeah. But these federal prison stories, dude. Yeah, talking about as soon as you get there, as soon as you get there, you go get a shank.

You get strapped up. And the guy who was making him was like the guy that worked in the kitchen, you know? Right. He could get you. He saw fights with literal knives, not shanks, butcherns. butcher knives. He saw like riots kicking off where people were stabbing each other with knives. So it's like clearly and you know the guards are all in on it. Yeah, all kinds of shit. Definitely go listen to my story with Herc. But yeah, I mean, some of that happened in state prisons. How did you get, uh, sold up with the guy who was like the leader of the hell's angels? So I asked him about that and he was like, probably it's because you're the opposite of me. Oh, you asked him the hells angels guy. Why the fuck are we sold up together? Right. And he, I was like, I don't, I come. I was like, I don't, I was like, I don't gang. bang, obviously. And he was like, probably because you're the opposite of me, right? They don't want to put two gang bangers in a cell together. Right. Because that's just too much time for them to conspire. So, and I'm like, okay, that kind of makes sense.

But he, Jimmy, protected me. My cellmate Jimmy. Was he in there for life? He was in there for life. He ended up killing a guy. And he was on death row. And I think he beat his case because it was a self-defense thing. But if you kill somebody, and you're doing life and you kill somebody in prison, they usually send you to death row. So, but he, you know, he's the one that basically told the other gangs, you know, the white gangs, because I refuse to click up.

You know, I was like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a follower, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm me. I'm not going to join your gang. Yeah. And then I got to go put in work for you and kill somebody and then I end up doing life. Right.

So my, my logic was like, give me a strap. Give me a burner. Give me a shank. and if you feel frogish and you want to come at me, I would rather defend myself, you know, and stab one of you guys in self-defense and at least maybe be able to beat the case

than me have to go put in work for you and then I never get out of here. That's crazy. So I refuse to do that. So, but before they could put like a green light on me, Jimmy, like, intervened. He was like, this is a good kid. Yeah, he saved you.

He was, dude, I owe him my life. And he, yeah, you know, to this day, I mean, it's like, I think about him all the time. Is he still alive? He is. He's kind of lost his mind because he's been on death row for so long for the last decade. Because he got sent to death row right after I got class down to minimum.

And yeah. And why did they send him then? Because that's when he killed. He killed a guy in prison. Yeah. But it took fucking almost a decade to like adjudicate that. And so, you know, because he doesn't have any money. He's paying like a public defense.

defender, you know, so they just keep you in isolation for a decade away from everybody. So that, and, you know, he was already in his 50s when that happened. So now he would be in his mid-60s. So, you know, he's deteriorating. And his mind is probably mush. It's very sad. Do they have a death row in California, Oregon? They do.

They don't. The governor put like a stay of execution on anybody, on everybody that's on death row. Yeah. So it's still on the books. they have executed people before, but they don't really do it anymore. California is kind of the same way. As long as Newsom's in power, nobody

will ever be executed again. But they keep people on death row. So they keep you in death row conditions even though you'll never be executed. Which is like torture. People that have been on death row for decades appeal the courts all the time to let them

be killed. Think about that. How fucked is that? And the courts are like, no. And also people on death row get exonerated all the fucking time. That's true too. That's true too. Right. Right.

So we have at least two or three death rows in Florida. I went to the one in Stark, Florida one time where I'm friends. I have a lawyer friend who represents some people who end up on death row. He actually, he represents a lot of cartel members. Really? Like he gets flown, he gets flown like, private to fucking Columbia. Oh, wow.

He'll literally, he explained it to me. He goes, yeah, he goes, I get on the plane, I get off, I get escorted to a hotel, and I'm, I wait in the lobby until they call me up. Yeah. And he, he, he fucking. So he's getting paid a nice fee for that. Yeah, bro. Wow.

It is crazy. And the way he explains it, like, how, like, some of those top level cartel members are able to just basically live their lives with their high paid lawyers. Yeah. And the, like, the pawns are the ones that get in trouble, like the low level guys. Totally. Totally. That's a whole other crazy story.

But anyways, so he was representing a guy who was on death row. And he, I guess he believed this guy was innocent. Yeah. But apparently this guy had like raped, he was a truck driver who had like raped and murdered a bunch of girls. And so we were there across the street from the prison from like,

starting from like 9 p.m. to like 1 a.m. And there was across the street. it's so weird dude it was so eerie because it was like dark and foggy and cold and there was one big group sectioned off of people who were protesting the death of him right because everybody knew he was supposed to be executed at that prison right and whenever the prison executes somebody there's a bell that rings i guess on the prison grounds so there was a whole group of people protesting the execution and then 50 yards away there's a whole another group of people who were the victims of people who have been raped and who have family members or daughters that have been raped and killed and people who knew some of the actual victims

that were there. Yeah. They were there to like get their sort of you know the justice served on the guy. Yeah. And we were going back and forth like interviewing people on both sides. Wow. Wow. And it was fucking crazy. Because like the people that were there who had family members who were victims or who knew

the victims, you could you could understand why they were there and you could justify their pain and why they wanted to be there to see the guy die. But the people on the other side, the only reason they were there is because they knew people who were innocent who got exonerated

off death row. So they're like, we can't fucking prove this. There's not enough DNA evidence. Like the trial, it wasn't done right. Yeah. There was, it was botched with the prosecutor. Right. So like they both had a very good point.

Right, right. Because I guess in this specific, case. I forget the guy's name now, but there was not enough evidence to execute this guy. And no matter what you believe about fucking the death penalty, I think the one thing that absolutely is true is you cannot fucking kill people when you don't have all the solid DNA evidence. Of course, dude. That's, look at that. And he was, and they denied an appeal to the claim that Gary Bowles was too intellectually disabled to be put to death. This isn't the actual guy. Oh, this.

This isn't the same guy. This is a different guy. But the guy you're talking about, they ended up putting him to death. I believe. So that night, they didn't. They stayed it.

It was a stay of execution. It was a governor. They had, yep, they had the guy fucking strapped to the lethal injection thing, right? The people were in the room

in the fucking movie theater with the curtains open. Watching, watching. And at the last minute they closed the curtain, stayed it. Wow.

They gave him like another couple weeks of maybe. What is the guy's fucking name? His name was, Oh, it's going to kill me. Google the lawyer. Bjorn, Bjorn Brunvon represents serial killer, or not killer, put to death in Stark, Florida. Bjorn, B-J-O-R-N, B-R-U-N-V-A-N-D.

It's a free plug. Yeah, bro, but it was, it was eerie. Yeah, that's crazy. Like 30 minutes before you were supposed to be executed, all the new stations pulled up. And there was fucking news everywhere. And it was just such a surreal fucking scene. They'll put you to death in Florida, man.

Yeah, they will. Florida and Texas, you do not want to fuck around. Utah, too. They will fucking kill you, man. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, but I can't imagine. If you think about the, you know, if people on the right politically would look at a country like China, who clearly their values are not aligned with, I would say most Americans' values are not aligned with.

I would say most Americans' values are not aligned with. with those of an authoritarian communist dictatorship. That's what they do, how they execute people. You're practicing the same thing. Like you're practicing, you claim you don't want communism or big government, but you're practicing the most big government thing when you let the state, the government, take somebody's life. You know, like that's kind of how I look at it.

It's like, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to be like China. I don't want to be like Saudi Arabia. I don't want to be like these awful savage places. So we constantly need to like be like, it's not enough to be like, well, China executes thousands of people a year. We can execute one or two innocent black guys in Texas a year.

I'm like, what kind of standard is that you're holding yourself to comparing yourself to China? You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah, it gives me. the chills. It's got to be so

different being on fucking death row than any other prison. Because you're dealing with people who are looking at the finish line. They know they're dead men. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes. Again, it's state to state, you know. Is this it? Oscar Ray Boland, that

that's him. Convicted of murder and the slings of three women in Florida. So is he actually killed? When was this published? January 6th, 2016. Go to the bottom. There's probably an update. Right there.

A man who was convicted 10 times of three separate slang scheduled to die for one of them. Unless the, okay, so this was like before. I think he might have been killed. Well, it doesn't say anything. If you just Google Oscar Ray Bolin, what comes up. The appeals court denied the motion. Oh, so he hasn't even appealed to the Supreme Court yet. Okay.

Yeah, that was all happening that night. That's fascinating. Humans, it's, I would like to talk to family members of. victims whose, you know, killers or alleged killers were executed. Like, did they feel better? I think they do. I think they do, actually. Yeah, I was talking to a couple of them.

I mean, it was sad, dude, talking to, like, there was a guy there who was, who had his fucking, his, like, young daughter was raped and murdered. He was sitting, he goes to every execution. I was like, what are you doing here? He's like, every time somebody dies for, everyone gets executed for murder and rape, he's like, I'm here to support the fucking families and the victims and whatever. And it's like a... There he is.

He's dead. January 7th, 2016. Oh, wow. Damn, he's from Portland. He was probably guilty. I don't want a guy. If we're just going, we're just stereotyping the look. I'm saying he's guilty.

Probably fucking guilty. The murders went unsolved for nearly four years. He was in prison basically his whole life. He got a locked up in his 20s. In 87. Some other shit. Gotcha. He got locked up in 80.

He was just killed Four years ago Right Or five How many years ago? That's how long it takes That's how long it fucking takes To get executed

If you appeal it That's wild That's why it's taking my boy Jimmy So long To finally to get his day in court So It's wild Yeah damn

He's from Portland, Indiana Well I don't like the fact That he's from Portland That's where I'm from Not Indiana Indiana is the sketchiest state In the Union dude I've always said Indiana is one of the worst places.

That's where a Gucci man went to prison. In Indiana? Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. For shooting the guy, he was trying to rob him? No. What was his late?

No, he actually didn't go to prison for that. He got off. Oh, he beat that. He beat that. He beat that for self-defense. But, no, he was in prison for, I think it was, like, gun charges and, like, pushing a bitch out of a car out of, like, a moving car. You can't push a bitch out of a moving car in Indiana? I mean, no, he did it. He did it in Atlanta, but they sent him to prison. He did his time in Indiana.

Oh, damn. Damn. Yeah. No, that's a fucked state. I love how, uh, so listening to your podcast reminded me so much of some of the rap music I listen to because you're talking about chickens. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We get that. That's West Coast slang. We call a chicken a kilo. A chicken is a kilo. Yeah. Yeah. So when I was listening to, I was like having flashbacks, like some of the Gucci, Gucci man music I used to listen to back in the day. Oh, really? Because he talked. Talking about like whipping up chickens. Yeah. That comes from the West Coast. That comes from E40. And, uh, because there's a lot of southern, uh, west coast underground, like crossover. So, yeah, cooking a chicken is, is from the Bay Area.

But why? Slang is from the Bay Area. A lot of those guys talk about how they would have girl, like women cooking up the crack or like cooking the Coke, but he'd make sure they're all naked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a big myth.

Oh, it's a huge. There's no reason. I don't think there's any. There's no reason for that. I guess because they can't steal your shit. Oh, why. would you want to trust a woman, anybody, doesn't have to be gender specific, but why, why would you want to trust a naked chick to cook up a kilo of Coke, something that valuable

into crack? You wouldn't. No. No, you'd have a chemist, you'd have a special. I knew guys from the hood. That's what they did. Like Mexican guys, they specifically, they wouldn't sell drugs, they wouldn't buy them. They would be paid on consignment, or they would be paid a fee to mix the,

drugs to whip up a, you know, to stretch a kilo of Coke, right? Right. They would know how to do that. They would know how to cook up crack. You know, you'd give it to a specialist. You wouldn't give it to a naked chick. Yeah. It's crazy.

Damn it. I know. It made the music video so much better. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't know who started that. I think that was like New Jack City, the movie back in the 80s. Oh, yeah. You know?

Great fucking movie. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I don't think, I don't think. much of that happens. I think it's all, it's all, it's much less glamorous, you know, but there are like, you know, it's crazy. There's people in the Bronx right now,

Dominican, Puerto Rican women that are in like, you know, a room like this, and they're all sitting at a big table, and they're just cutting up heroin. Yeah. Just milling it and chefing it. And they're getting paid. And they're just getting paid like a salary.

They're just getting paid like 60 bucks an hour, just like people are trimming up bud somewhere. It's like an assembly lawn. And it totally. it just becomes normalized. Like these guys, these kids, these Sicario's that were guarding El Mio, you know, they're just sitting around like bullshitting like any group of friends would do. They don't consider it what they're doing as criminal.

They really don't. And it gets like that. You get so normal, especially in a culture like that. To where you're like, this is the family business. Ed Calderon was telling me a lot of those kids, those Sicario like bodyguards, those young kids, a lot of. lot of them are like TikTok stars. Oh yeah.

They do a lot of like huge TikToks. They'll show, they'll like flash all the fucking drugs and their guns. Now how can you do that on TikTok? But I say cunt once and I get flagged. That's what I'm saying. You know, doing a bit,

like a comedy bit. Right. How can you do that? That it doesn't make any fucking sense to me. Is that because it's in Mexico and like the laws are different? Like the TikTok laws are? Are they different? I can't imagine that.

Well, it's definitely different. It's different in China, obviously. They, because they're the ones that own TikTok. and they're pushing that on us. Yeah.

But I don't know if it's different. Well, they have like rules for their kids that use TikTok, right? There's like an off time. Yeah, there's a time. There's a limit to the amount you can use. And like what they show you in the feed is like smart shit. They make it educational. Yeah.

So I don't know. I can't imagine Mexico. If they're allowing people to wave guns, I don't know. Dude, that's fucking crazy. And a lot of prisoners have TikTok accounts now. In prison? Yeah. Some of the biggest TikTok accounts are prisoners.

What? Talk about that. How do you smuggle a gigantic iPhone? you don't. Nobody's shoving that. I don't care how gay you are. You're not fitting that in your ass. You're not keystering an iPhone 14.

You're getting that brought in from a guard. Let's talk about that. How do all these inmates have the latest technology? The guards. This is the going rate for this. Getting smuggling this, $1,500. $1,500. That's about what you've got to pay a guard.

It's like a going rate. It's like a market price. How does the guard get paid? By somebody on the outside. That's how drugs get sold. Let's talk about that. How do drugs get sold in prison? The same way cell phones get smuggled and purchased in prison.

Somebody on the outside, one of your people will bring money to a guard, right, on his day off. Or if you're selling me drugs in prison and you're also a prisoner, my person on the outside will bring your person money. Or they'll put it on your books. Right. Right. They'll put money. And when they see... When you're commissary?

Exactly. Exactly. And when they see that, boom. now we're straight. Now we're even Stephen. That's one of the ways it happens. Yeah. If I was in prison,

I would take up smoking cigarettes, I think. Yeah. Yeah, there's that, but they made stupidly, right? They made cigarettes illegal.

So what do you think that did? But it made a huge market, made a huge fucking market for it. Yeah. You know? Of course it did. Of course it did, right? That's the most obvious thing I want to do.

If I'm going to go to prison, I'm going to start smoking cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah. The first thing, yeah. Yeah. I'll be outside working out and smoking

cigarette at the same time. Yeah, exactly. Like old, old, like men, like real men. Yeah, we're going to fucking get jacked, but we're also going to be damaging our lungs. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. So, fuck, they have tick. They're big on TikTok. I always made, I always kind of like joke that if I owned a prison, I would have podcast studios in there. Because true crime is such a like blossoming genre and podcasting. Oh, and the biggest podcast in the world are true crime. Yeah. Yeah. And the inmates are hilarious. Oh, I bet. And there's no shortage of content. You live in a content machine.

It's one of the funniest places. That's why I'm trying to get this show made. I wrote a script, like a pilot based around just guys in prison. Because it's so funny. There's so much funny shit that happens. That's where I started doing comedy. Was at these talent show nights in a maximum security prison. Really?

Yeah. I didn't know they had talent shows. Yeah. If you're well-behaved every now and then, like monthly, they had these like just talent nights. And you would go down and. dude, I've had some rough shows on the outside, but it's nothing compared to bombing in prison. Oh, really? Like you had to get, if your talent, if you didn't hook the crowd in like the first 10 seconds, they'd start booing, they would throw oranges,

fights would break out. Like, that's what taught me to like get to the punchline quickly. So if you watch my comedy, like, I'm at the joke immediately. Like, there's no, like, there's not a lot of big setup. Wow. that comes from prison. That comes from doing comedy in prison. Yeah. Yeah. So when you got, when you first got out of prison, actually, let's come,

I got a pee. Okay. Let's come back and go like start when you got out of prison. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So his uncle was Frank Lucas. Yeah, let's fucking get going. We can keep this in the pot. I don't give a shit. If David gets mad, he can. We didn't take a pee break. So we're just, now we're talking about David Lucas. Yeah, David Lucas. One of like the best up and coming comedians in the country. He's so good. He's killing it right now.

He's an ingenious roaster. I love when he fucking roast people in the crowd. Yeah. It is so good, bro. There's nobody better. It's schoolyard like bullying. It's hilarious. It's all off the top of the dome. You know what I mean? Like he's the real deal. He's the real deal.

That's a talent. I feel like I don't know shit about comedy, but I feel like having comedy, like perfecting a big. it is completely in a separate world from like dealing with the crowd. Totally, totally. And it's, yeah,

it's art versus being naturally funny. Yeah. We call it like back of the bus funny. Yeah. And I'm not just saying that because he's black. Like it's, it's, that's,

he reminds me a lot of the guys in prison. Like how just naturally funny they were. We'd be at the table playing dominoes or whatever. And people would just be snapping on motherfuckers. Yeah. You know? And it was like hot potato. You didn't want to,

if the hot potato came to you. You wanted to get it off of you as fast as you could, right? So you would just, I would, as it was coming around the circle to me, like people were just getting roasted. Yeah. I would be like, I would be like rapidly fucking coming up with insults for somebody else just to push it off of me. You know what I mean? So that was like training. That was training.

And then during the talent show nights, that's when I would write jokes. And I didn't even really know they were jokes at the time. It was just like I would observe things in the prison that were funny. Yeah. And I didn't realize these were comedy bits. I would just write them down and I would get up there. And I would be like, have you guys fucking noticed this? Right?

So one of my first bits was about how, like, when a riot is about to break out in prison, you can tell because everybody will bring their boots, they're like work boots to the showers. Because if a riot kicks off on the yard, that means everybody in the prison has to start fighting. Doesn't matter. You don't have to be on the yard. people will break out in brawls everywhere

in the day room at the chow hall in the showers so you don't want to be caught fighting butt naked without the proper footwear that's that's for real that's a thing so you will see motherfuckers butt ass naked shower we'd be showering off naked

but with our boots on still and so my first punchline was it looks like we're all about to do black porn right now oh my god yeah so that got like a huge laugh so I was like oh Oh, okay. So that's kind of how I got into it.

I would just be like roasting like the Mexican gangs. I'm like, Ernesto's been locked up for five years, but his baby mama's five months pregnant. How the fuck did that happen? You better talk to your cousin Ernesto, you know, shit like that. That's hilarious, dude. Yeah, yeah. But David Lucas reminds me a lot of that just like, just, I mean, just incredibly, like,

that level of funny just comes from not giving a fuck. Right. And I don't have that. Like, I'm not that, that quick, but that, it's just like this abandoned that people have. Yeah, he has, he has that thing about him where he's like, he does, he's not trying. You can tell he's not trying that hard. No. Some people try very hard.

Yeah. And they're still very good or not. But he is, he doesn't seem like he doesn't have to put in a lot of effort into it. He doesn't have to at all. He's completely himself. That's so fucking good. And that's when you become, that's unique. That's when you go from being a good comic to a great comic.

Yeah. when you just let go and just be yourself. Yeah, but you still got to, like, put in a lot of work. Oh, of course. Especially today's age. Oh, of course. Oh, of course. Dude, it never ends, bro.

It never, fine. I wish I was a comic in 1987. And that's a, that's a thing I feel like sometimes doesn't connect. I feel like a lot of people who are just naturally good at shit, talented at shit like David, they, a lot of them, they can't figure out the, the discipline and the relentless work it takes to like make it Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. That's why these guys I was locked up with would never dream of like going to Hollywood.

Right. Or it just, you know, it takes too much discipline. That's why most comedians don't, aren't ready for this new age because they, they don't have like a business mind for it. You know, like, all the shit I do, I'm like talking about like brand deals and then. You have like 11 podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going over talking about.

about like, oh, do this on the thumbnail. So I'm being a graphic designer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about titling it. I'm a marketing team. Yep. And then, you know what I mean? And then also I'm over here, like trying to write about my, my breakup, you know?

So it's like you have to wear so many hats now. Meanwhile, you're in the fucking in Sinaloa interviewing El Mons. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that too. Yeah. And then I'm fucking talking to hit men in Mexico. So you just, like, you have to be so dynamic now. Just, it's unfair.

Like, you can't expect people to be. able to wear that many hats. Definitely not. Definitely not. So that's why it's like I want to, I want to turn this, I want to turn this YouTube shit. I want to, it's going to, it's going to transition into comedy. I know it will, you know, but it just takes a lot of time and you got to break out somehow. So I was like, let me tell my story and let me get, let me get hot this way and then I'll bring people over to the comedy.

So what, what was like the spark that was like, I want to put all this stuff on YouTube and put these like serialized podcast episodes out there and make all these fucking shorts. How did that all happen? And how it. Desperation? Nothing else. Desperation? No, it was like, it was like, I want to tell this story.

Because it was the book. It was the book. The book I wrote inspired it all. The book is, I thought he was going to bring it up. What's the book called? Days of the Trap. Days of the Trap. Yeah, you could just go, just type it in an Amazon.

But I was like, there's so much more to this. Like, it was just, it was literally thinking like, a businessman, like a drug dealer. I saw, I looked at the market and I was like, this is being underserved. Like, there's people that are with crime and drug and prison shows, but they're not Yeah, I love the fucking title. Like the cover of it is beautiful. Oh, thank you, man. Simple and like, yeah, that's it right there. And I think it's only available on Kindle right now because we're reprinting it. We took the rights back from the publishing company and now we're going to relaunch it. Oh, cool. So you might only be able to buy it on Kimball if anybody's interested,

but that'll be, we'll be relaunching that soon with, with an audio book. But basically, I looked at YouTube and the algorithm, and like I was saying, it's either one or the other, it's either dorks from the BBC that are like interviewing cartel members that are like, what would you do? Like, I saw a motherfucker talking to a guy

from the Sinaloa cartel in a mask with an AK-47. He was like, what would you do if you found out I was a police officer? And the guy, the Mexican guy's like, where the fuck did you get this guy? You asked me that on camera? You're going to make me answer that? What do you think?

So it's like that shit. And then it was, you know, like, for lack of a better word, like hood dudes, ghetto dudes that are super entertaining, but they have like terrible. They're filming it on iPhones and shit. So it was just a market niche. I'm like, nobody's doing this. Let me try to do this. I think I can do it.

I think it can work. And so far it's been working out. But that was really it. Like, it was just opportunity. Yeah. You know what I mean? Have you seen some of the old, like, Vice documentaries, like, what's it called Chirac? Where they go through Chicago.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Trapp houses in Chicago, bro. And how, like, how basically it's all, the whole, like, drug scene there is intertwined in the rap game. Yes, yes. That's, like, fucking one of the most amazing pieces of journalism I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah.

Vice was really good back then. They were really fucking good back then. Yeah. Yeah. They're a little watered down now. They're a little... Oh, it's completely. It's a 180. Yeah. It's not even close to that anymore. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's a different thing. But yeah, that shit's insane.

Chicago's nuts. When you started putting this stuff out on your YouTube channel, did you expect it to, like, get as big as it did? I knew because of the nature of the material that it was Clickbait. I was like, well, we're going to get some eyeballs on us. But no, I didn't expect it to pop this quickly. Fuck, no. I was, I told my producer, the guy who filmed.

it sets it up. He's now involved in creative decisions. The guy who he does all the editing, you know, he's my right-hand man, Brian. I told him, let's just give this a year. Like, just give me a year. I'm going to underpay you for how much work you're going to do, but just give it to me and then we'll reevaluate.

And, you know, three episodes later, we had fucking 200,000 subscribers. I mean, it was... It's insane, man. Yeah, for four months ago, I was working in a restaurant. You have, like, the short videos on YouTube. that have like 100, 100 million views. Oh, yeah, yeah.

There's one, one of them. I think the first one I saw was where you tell, how to, like, evade getting, going to jail when you get pulled over. Yeah, yeah, talking about getting pulled over. Yeah, my time, my time getting pulled over. Yeah, so we had a lot of those, you know, and it pops. It ebbs and flows, right? Like, you know how the numbers are.

But I'm just focused on, like, growing the show, taking it to a next level that nobody's doing. Like, I want to be the Anthony Bourdain. of like drug shows. Like I want to travel to all these different places. Yeah, exactly. But make it entertaining. Make it a little funny.

And make it fucking different, you know? Yeah. Like nobody's talking about the shit that me or Luis is talking about. Like, people are just like drug routes and the cartel is stronger than ever. Well, what is the cartel? And, oh, the cartels come into your city. No, the fuck they're not. Like, nobody's really covering that shit.

So that's kind of, I really want to like dig deep. and have it come from a personal place too, you know? So. Yeah, that's fascinating. You know, um, Roger, he knows where George Ochoa lives. Like he,

he said he, I asked a lot of him. I'm like, I'm like, can we go there? He's like, yeah, if you want.

He's like, I'll fly down there tomorrow. We'll go, I know exactly where his horse ranches. I walk right up to his front door. That's a great Roger Reeves. But yeah. So the Ochoas apparently were,

they say, according to cocaine, what are they called? call it, uh, cocaine cowboys, that documentary. That guy, Billy Corbin, Florida boy. Yeah, he's been on here. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right.

He was saying the Ochoas were really the, the number one guys. Yes. You know? Yeah. And Pablo was kind of, Pablo was kind of like Chapo. Not, maybe not a glorified manager, but kind of, he wasn't the, he wasn't like the, the main guy. The main guy were the Ochoas. Old man Ochoa.

You would think that, right? Because they fucking got Pablo and they killed him. Yeah. And they fucking posed with him like he was a fucking... Yeah, like a deer. Right, like a deer. Yeah, exactly. So you would think that he had to have been part of some sort of PR thing just like El Chapo was.

Yeah. Yeah. So they said old man Ochoa, just like El Mio Zimbabba. Yeah. Never did a day in prison. That old school patriarch, he was a horse breeder. You know, he was part of the oligarch, you know, the oligarchic kind of circle in Colombia. but they say he was the biggest trafficker out of the whole Medellín Federation back in the day.

So, yeah, his son, George Ochoa, I guess is free and just living his life. Yeah, he said, Roger said that he breeds horses now. Yeah, yeah, well, they all, yeah, exactly. The whole family does that? That was legitimate. Yeah, they've always been horse breeders. Oh, they always have. They've always been horse breeders.

Oh, okay. Yep. Well, I might have to take a trip with Roger down in his Cessna airplane. How sick would that be? Yeah, that'd be sick. Yeah, there's nobody doing that now, I don't think. I mean, now that you sense vice, I don't think there's anybody really doing like that fucking raw running gun type.

Yeah. Like in the jungle documentary interviews. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want to be like a, I don't necessarily want to be a journalist, you know. I want to, I want to incorporate like politics and culture and all of these different elements of wherever I'm documenting. Like, I want to bring something, you know,

yeah, like the way the Bourdain show really became about the culture and the politics of a country itself, not really about food. Right. Like, that's kind of where I'd like to take the show, you know? Yeah. Like, I don't want to be a journalist, you know?

I want to be a drug dealer. Yeah. A former drug dealer who is just kind of like living out his fantasy. Like getting to interview, like, members of the fucking Senaloa cartel I'm like, this is so serendipitous. Like, I used to buy drugs from these guys.

Right. And now here we are a generation later, and I'm talking to them. How much of your work is still, like, how much comedy are you? How much stand-up comedy do you still do? I still do a bunch. I mean, I'm a stand-up comedian at the end of the day. So that's your number one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

And I still do probably five or six shows a week when I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm still on the road every now and then, you know, so we're starting to sell tickets and we're going to make a big push go on tour and do all that kind of stuff. But this is the first step to like really like getting out to the people, you know. And you were one of the first people to actually be ambushed on stage. Yes, that was my first viral video.

Dude, we have a video of us showing that to, this is just me talking about it. We have a video of us in a trap house showing that video to cartel members. Really? Yes. And then just laughing their fucking ass off. They're like, show us some of your YouTube videos. We're all sitting around smoking. No, find the one where he at, the guy actually attacked.

Yeah. What's that? No, that's comedian describes being attacked. Go back. No, at the end of it, it's good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, I guess. I don't have audio. Reach my face, you know.

That one of you motherfuckers rush the stage and trying to slap me, okay? I got attacked on stage recently. Yeah. That one of you motherfuckers rush the stage and trying to slap me, okay? I got attacked on stage recently. A short, tiny little fulumbulumba five-o-one rush this, a stage of a comedy show I was doing in Hollywood. Oh my God. Will Smith.

But not really. I got Carlton. You know what I'm saying? How long ago was that? That was right. That was around the same time that Will Smith, uh, No way. The Will Smith slap on Chris Rock happened.

Yes, this was like the end of February early March. So it was like all around the same time that happened to a lot of people. Exactly. Happened to Dave Chappelle. Happened to Chappelle. Exactly. And dude, that's been happening to comedians, non-famous comedians forever. By the way, I just want to point that up.

Oh, has it really? Yeah, people hate, drunk people hate when they fuck up and you make a fool of them. Like, I was shredding that guy. Like, they were, I had the crowd, like, doubled over. And it was a black show, too, so they were slapping the table. You were like, that guy's been fucked in every hole. Exactly. Yeah.

And I called the guy a snitch finally. Oh, shit. In perfect snitch mode, he rushed the stage. So, but after we go off camera right there, you don't see it. But I had the crowd so on my side. I took the guy by the nape of his neck because he was like, he's like five seven. And I'm six foot six. Yeah.

So we just, I just like, like, WWE like power slammed him through a fucking table. And these, dude, a couple of these fucking audience members, these black dudes run over. because we're wrestling on the ground. I'm trying to like hockey punch him and shit. Like pull his hoodie over his head. These guys run over and they start stomping it. No. Oh my God.

Yes. Yes, dude. It was wild. So that happened. And then literally, and then I was like, oh, wait, they were filming that?

So I told the producer, I'm like, send that over to me. I might be able to do something with this. And then like a week or two later, the Will Smith slapped happened. And that was my Kim Kardashian sex tape moment. I'm like, send me that fucking video, dude.

Yeah. And I posted it. And within a month it had three, four, five million views. And now it's like over 10. This is the full. This is the full one. If you find the short, the short kind of sums it up there. You can see if you hover over the timeline, Austin.

It'll show you where like, so go like a minute before that. Like right there. Yeah, yeah. Go right there. Play it. Oh, yeah, the guy's bragging about how he got into the show on a group on. Where was this? This is outside.

This was like an outdoor on a patio in Hollywood. Oh, okay. Yeah. Now that the big guy's gone, I feel emboldened, you know? So I had two hecklers. One of them left. My heart was fluttering a little bit. Damn, you see, I got, because I'm good with my right, I'm using my left, but I got over here, like, hey, how's that you know?

Yeah. It's a prison, so I see the danger, bro. Yeah. That means you fucking got cut to your bullshit, ain't you got caught. Damn, bro. You got caught? You got caught. You never.

Exactly. I'm way more Ging than you, bro. I'm way more gangst than you. You snitch. Hey, you snitch. That's how you go out. Oh. I was so high off an edible.

I should have just dropped him right there. Oh, my. But I was so high, too. That's what you don't know about that. So I was like, this is surreal. I was like, is he really coming up here? He's suing the venue? What is he suing the parking lot?

Yeah, exactly. It was like a hookah lounge or something. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. So, and dude, if you go read the comments, everybody's like, that guy definitely snitch. Yeah, bro. If he got that mad when you called him a snitch, that was the one, like the fucking amount, all the holes. That didn't piss him off.

Calling him a snitch. That was his trigger word, you know? Yeah. So I, dude, I chop that up into like multiple different clips. But, yeah, so that was like the first, like, that made my, my channel pop, my personal channel. Okay. And then, uh, how many views does I have? Uh, that one, the short, the short, original one is like over 10 million.

And that's $3 million on this one. Yeah, just on the, on, that's the long video. And then there's another one with like $6 million. It's got like a B sides to it. So yeah. So I still get paid off of this. So I want to thank this guy if he's watching. You got me paid, motherfucker.

That is so fucking funny. Yeah, yeah. So, um, so yeah, dude. But then, but then, uh, the connect just hit those shorts, man. Those shorts are something else. And, uh, yeah, I was talking about getting pulled over with a bunch of bud in the trunk and like like the different throwoff methods that we would use can i talk about some of those yeah so a big thing we did so we would go we took so many trips up i5 man with that

trunk loaded by the end we would have like i would have somebody go pick up the product for me right and i would have like a spotter car on him right but for forever we just we just went up that we we just threw it in the trunk and fucking crossed our fingers right so but sometimes we would like we would put like police or military stickers on the back of our cars you know because cops love the military right this kind of the same thing it's the law enforcement so that would be like a throw off um you know one time i got pulled over by a cop and i told him i was on my way up to portland to enlist and he fucking saluted me and was like just be safe quit speeding like that's a way i got out of it and where you going buddy meanwhile i got 20 pounds in the trunk you know what i'm saying

fucking way. Yep. Yep. Yep. I pulled that once. Yeah, I had different little tips for getting pulled over. Like, I would immediately cop to, like, if I got pulled over, I learned to like immediately, like, confess to the fact that I was speeding or I took a turn. Because then, then you, you would put the officer at ease immediately. Right. Like, this guy, I clearly, like, I was going down, like, the side of a mountain. Like it was really like rural up there. So I'm just speeding down this like stretch of highway that goes straight down.

You can't not speed. Right. And it was a speed trap. So I got pulled over going like 15 over the speed limit. And I immediately was like, dude, I know I hit that way too fast. I'm sorry about that. So immediately like you cop to like the small infraction. Right.

So it puts the cop at ease. And he's like, well, this is just a good guy. He's a citizen, you know? That's so funny. So it just immediately drops his, his any kind of. suspicion that he has, you know? That's so funny, man. Yeah. So I clipped that and threw it up there and people seemed to take to it. Dude, when I was back in like the mid-2000s, I used to make a lot of East Coast trips like surfing, like traveling from

here to like South Florida and I would go across Alligator Alley. And there was probably three different times where I just randomly got pulled over in my little pickup truck and got my truck, my truck searched. Wow. Really? Not smuggling drugs, nothing like that. But there was just, there was a time when they would just pick off random cars, like a huge percentage of them and just search them. And you let them search? Yeah, I was like 17 or 18 years old. You don't know you have rights back then.

Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Why would they think you were planted on me or anything? Like they never. Yeah, I don't think cops really have a reason to plant shit on you, right? I mean, they've, of course, you know, there's been huge scandals, like the Rampart scandal in L.A. in the 90s where cops were literally working.

for the gangs. They would hire like gang-affiliated people to work on the police force and they would plant shit on like. Oh, I didn't even know about that. Yeah, rampart scandal's wild. But yeah, cops nowadays usually aren't going to plant shit on like if you're a 17-year-old kid, right? But it's crazy to think they would search your car. Were you smoking weed? No.

Did you look like a pot-head? Maybe surfers? Probably looked like a pot-head. You probably looked like a pot-head. You were a surfer kid. Yeah. For sure, for sure. And a little Toyota Tacoma pickup truck.

Like tiny little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, speaking of surfers, there is this, you got to look up this drug bust. They need to make a movie about this. There were, when I was in college, we heard about these college kids, these frat guys that went to like San Diego State and they were surfers. So what they would do, and they were also Coke dealers, so what they would do is they would drive down to Mexico to re-up. They would pick up like, I'm talking real, real weight, like significant multi-kilo re-reups. Yeah. And they would build them. They would have like the cartel guys or somebody down on the Mexico side, like open up the surfboards.

You know, hollow the surfboards out and stuff the kilos into the surfboards. And then they would put them on the top of their Winnebagoes or whatever. And they would be coming through customs. They'd be like, yeah, we were just down there surfing. Narly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Fucking shredding down here. And Sonata, man. And, bro, they were fucking getting away with it. Wow. They were making millions. of dollars. On the roof of their car in plain sight. In plain sight.

What a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, and they were making millions of dollars as like high school juniors. What a fucking genius idea. Yeah. Yeah.

No shit. So I always like found that so crazy that like, you know, these white boys probably from like rich families, you know, would take risks like that. That's cowboy shit. I don't, I don't, we never had sympathy for like guys like that that didn't really. need to sell drugs. I mean, I didn't need to either, but just did it, but we're so crazy with it that it was like, dude, you had this coming. You know? Yeah, that's a funny thing too about like, someone like the big, the biggest narcos, their kids don't normally get into that, right? They

like move to the U.S. and do something respectable. It depends. Or they take it over. Like, Mayo's kids, his sons are going to take the business over. Are they really? Oh, yeah, definitely. Luis was telling me that his kids are like, they're like big on Instagram and they're like, Well, they may be, but they're also. They're also, like, freely walking around the U.S. Well, those are the guys. One of them is the guy who got caught and ratted on Chapo. He's not going to go back to Mexico, obviously.

Although there's reports, again, I'm telling all Luis's business, but there's reports that he actually sneaks back to Mexico to visit his father. But yes, those two kids are out of the game, or maybe one of them was never in the game. But there's two guys got like seven or eight kids. So two of his sons in Mexico still are definitely taking a lot. over the business. It happens, that's how it happens with the Calabrian mob, the Endrangetta in Calabria, Italy. It's all lineage. It's all passed down. That's how it happens. That's how they

monopolize the trade, is that you have to, you can't just join it like, like you can in the U.S. There's no free market. It's all passed down through lineage. So I think a huge part of, of the game is passing it on to your kids. But in the U.S., that their kids go legit. That's the American dream. Like, that's the reason that the mob in New York has to go to the other side. They have to go to Sicily now to recruit new members because their kids generally, for the most part, are like going into the legitimate world. And I think they want to, you know. So it's much less of a cultural thing. And it's more of just like, starts out in the U.S. is just a way to survive.

And hopefully your kids become legit. That's what's cool. That's what I always loved about the criminal's dream was, being able to go straight after that. Yes. Like that's what I say on my podcast. The criminal's dream is to no longer be a criminal. So that's,

I was living proof of that almost. Like I was, I was gonna get out of the game and have millions and just funnel it into legit businesses. And it was, it would have set me up for the rest of my life if I could have pulled it off. You know,

I just didn't get out in time. I got too greedy. Yeah. You know, that's one of the funny thing. I want you, when you get Roger in, you got to ask him how many, waterfront mansions he still yeah yeah yeah he talks about he bought

all of his friends fucking houses back then I cannot wait to ask about that I'll ask him on the Patreon episode where his money is how much money he's got to still have like I don't know I mean obviously if you if you're buying them for other people as gifts technically you don't own them anymore yeah but I want how much money got away with yeah how much money he still has access to if he yeah yeah right right well he's so connected he could probably get back into the game really quickly, but, you know, he'll never do that at all. I hope not. But yeah, I mean, he made hundreds of millions.

Hundreds of millions. And this is back in the 70s, right? But was he active after the 70s? Yeah, I think he was. I think he was active. Yeah, he fell in the, he originally got arrested. When did Barry Seal get killed? Early 80s. Early 80s? I believe. Well, we could probably look that up. Yeah, find out when Barry Seal got whacked. It might have been the middle of the late 80s. I think Roger was in prison when Barry died. Oh, okay, yeah.

So that would have been the 80s. So he was in prison the whole time from, Roger was in prison from the 80s until like 2016. Yep. Oh, wow. Yep, on multiple different continents. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.

So he died in 86. 86. Okay. So Roger was locked up probably. Roger was already locked up. He got locked up, but yeah, I think 82. Does Roger Reeves have a page, have a Wikipedia page? I don't know. It's a good question.

Google him. You know, so it's a funny thing, too, talking about, like, the lineage of some of these drug dealers. Have you ever seen Pablo's son? Yes, yes. He's fat like Pablo. Super fat and, like, super ghetto. Like super hood. Interesting.

On his Instagram. I thought he was a dork. Maybe he has multiple sons. Because one of them was a nerd who, they moved to Argentina, right? After, after Pablo got killed, the family relocated to Argentina. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah, because it's not safe for them in Colombia. anymore. Everybody is from his

dead that work with Pablo. But look at him. Look at Roger. He's on a podcast right there in that episode. American pilot who was once the most prolific drug smuggler in history. He worked for Pablo Escobar in the Medellín Cartel. He claims that seal paid millions

and bribes to the Clintons. Yes. Oh, I cannot wait to ask him about that. I'm scared for Roger. I'm scared when he's open with this information. It makes me worried for him. When he talks about it, he doesn't, he doesn't like, he's like, of course. Yeah. Like, it's no secret.

Right. Right. Right. Right. That's what makes me believe him is he's very matter of fact about it. You know what I mean? Millions and bribes to the Clintons when Bill Clinton was governor. Is that in order to, yeah, to let them use Mina, right?

To let them use the airport. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was so Barry would have dinner with the Clint. He's like, he goes, I'm having dinner with a governor, Roger. And he's like, wow. Yeah.

So the Clintons, if we're to believe that, that would mean that the Clintons would then take millions of dollars. But then who would they? I just, I'm fascinated. How would corruption at that level work? They would then tell the people that worked at Mina, like, hey, some planes are going to, don't you touch these guys? I guess because Barry said that I can land in Mina, Arkansas, whenever I want any time of day, he's like, any day of the week that I want. He's like, it just costs a million bucks. It's like a million dollars per load.

Wow. So, yeah. So he had a green light and the airport in Mina. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Right. So the thought is, yeah, the Clintons are taking cash bribes and probably paying off, you know, whoever is running, whoever's in charge of like making decisions for, you know, the military in Arkansas. Yeah. Right. Like that would kind of make sense. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. Some sort of fucking corruption. I don't know. Because the Clintons can't just take money and then call down. Bill Clinton's not going to call the airport in Mina and be like, Right.

Hey, we got some, you can leave this boy alone. Right. Yeah. No, I guess there was some sort of protection that was always there when they landed. Right.

There would be like vehicles that would show up and escort them. So everybody's getting paid out of it. Everybody must be getting paid out of it. You know who's like the foremost authority on this whole fucking topic? who actually wrote a book on it. You've probably heard of the guy. His name's Sean Atwood. Yes.

Bald dude. He was in the UK. He wrote a series of books all about this time in the history. Wow. And all about the Clinton. It's called like... Yeah. The title of the book is like...

Find out the name of his... That's not beyond the pale or. He wrote a ton of books. Click on like the list of his books. It's called like the Boys on the Tracks or something like that. Keep scrolling. It's one of his first books. There it is with the Clinton.

What's that one called? Clinton Bush and CIA. But there's, yeah, so he has multiple books on the Clintons and the Bushes and basically all of the quote unquote suicides that the Clintons have been involved in. Right. The first ones were like a couple boys that were tied up to some railroad tracks. To some railroad tracks. Yes. And that was supposed to be a suicide.

Right. And they were the guys who stumbled on. They like, they were just. playing in the woods, you know? And I think they stumbled upon like one of the planes being unloaded. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. So, okay, that was the name of the book.

The name of the book is from, it's like, blah, blah, blah, something from the boys on the tracks to Jeffrey Epstein. And he ties everything from the beginning from the boys in the tracks all the way to Jeffrey Epstein, everything about the Clintons. Wow. Like this dude went in on the Clint's. And so it's pretty investigative? Super investigative.

Like he went deep on all of it. Yeah. Yeah. God. damn it, that is so fucking crazy. Yeah, they've been dirty since, yeah, the beginning. I just saw an ad on YouTube yesterday. Have you ever seen ads for that thing called Masterclass? Yes, of course.

Yeah. They got one with fucking Bill Clinton now. Yes, right. To teach you about politics. Oh, my God. Who better to teach about politics now? That's really what politics are. Yeah, politics are corrupt and dirty and murderous sometimes.

I want to buy that masterclass You're fucking here What fucking Bill's spewing on there No shit Pass a Look at this shit, bro On leadership On leadership

Of all things By the way Do they really need money Play the trailer Do they need more money? Like why are they doing this? Oh my God This is insane

If you want to lead something Start by saying This is what I care about This is what I want to do A million bucks a week A million bucks Landed And you should want to help

Partly The day goes by that I don't think how fast my life has flown. How I remember is if it were yesterday, the first day I became president. Oh, God. The bushes. Oh, my God. Look at this. All the bushes can be done alone.

This is a particularly disorienting time for billions of people in the world. You've got major uncertainties about what's going to happen in the years ahead. At a time like that, you really need good leadership skills. And you need people whose goal it is. Roger Reeves. Barry seal. Not drive them apart. People need to feel the potential to create a better tomorrow.

This class is unlike anything I've ever done. I'll be teaching skills I developed and used in very challenging leadership. From Jeffrey Epstein on Fuck Island. Those skills will help you and your personal and professional life. You ever banged a wound with a scar? You don't agree with. You ever fucking with a scar? It's not technically cheap.

And you don't have to wash your dick after. I don't believe being nice is inconsistent with being tough and smart. You've got to be tough as nails with your tender heart. I have encountered a lot of setbacks. This is psychotic. I've had ferocious opposition. This is wild. That's huge.

I try to destroy me as a person. Holy shit. How fucking why. I mean, how much could he be baking off of it? Like, they're worth hundreds of millions already. Like, what, do they need? They're just, they're just real, like, they're just real. It's weird.

Who's signing up for this? What kind of people? Like, think about it. Think about it. Could you put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is going to be fucking sold on this? Oh, yeah. MSNBC. MSNBC and the people that work in for the major news outlets, they're like, yeah, we're going to get Clinton.

Because what a, what an American? What did he do for America? He raised the minimum wage. by a dollar, I think, by the time he was out of office. Sure, he wrote the superpeditor bill. Sure, he took millions of dollars and bribes from cocaine dealers. You know, sure he locked up more, more black people than like all Republicans combined. Did you know that, by the way?

I didn't know that. It wasn't Reagan, Reagan's blamed in the mass media for, like, the war on drugs and, you know, all of these, like, policies that targeted, like, you know, black crack dealers and shit. He didn't give a fuck originally. was like he had that old school racism where he was like just let the animals you know whatever we don't care about what's going on just let him like he didn't give a shit at all yeah it was it wasn't until he was kind of like forced by like pressure public pressure to come in and like start getting tough on crime and shit like that but it wasn't until the clinton's that the prison population started exploding and by Biden Biden was involved in all that shit too yeah exploding yeah i remember seeing

some of the old videos of Biden during that time. Like in front of Congress saying some shit. They're going to kill it. They're coming after. They're coming after. If you're selling drugs to my mother, you do not deserve to be walking around. Why's your fucking mother buying crack? Oh my God. Your mother's

buying crack cocaine? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Oh, my God. I feel like we're living in the twilight zone. Yeah, it's done. It's like, it feels like society when you watch the bushes now, who probably also have an Instagram account, When you watch George W. Bush, who's killed more people, like, than all of, like, the cartel members combined in all of history, like, you see him doing, giving a master class and everybody being like, isn't that, like, politely clapping?

You're just like, this is, this is some 1984 big brother type shit, like how quickly we forget, you know? Yeah. Like, we're applauding Dick Cheney for coming out against Trump. we're applauding this guy for doing the right thing. Dude. Who's literally the biggest war criminal. Like since, you know, Slobodan Milosevic, you name it. Yeah.

Kymar Rouge. Fucking any kind of dick to millions of people. Dead. ISIS. All that shit. All goes back to those guys. Conscientiously coming up with that propaganda campaign. I know, man.

And it's crazy. how more and more of these things that we always thought were like conspiracy cover-ups are like being declassified. Yeah. It all comes out. It all comes out. Like when you see, I don't know if see shit be declassified like Operation Northwoods. Oh, tell me about that.

Operation Northwood was under Kennedy with the head of the CIA Allen Dulles. They had a plan to, in order to justify invading Cuba, they were going to fly an empty. That's right. Airline. And blow it up. And blow it up and blame the Cubans did. That's right. That's right.

That was their plan to invade Cuba. Sounds like something that happened under the bushes. Right. So this is not like anything new. This is something that's, you know, these are CIA deep state tactics that have been, that have grown and evolved and been passed down since World War II. Since the beginning of what became the CIA. Yeah.

Absolutely. And it all comes out, but it's always after they're dead. It's always so nobody has to take responsibility for it. So we'll know who killed Kennedy, maybe in our lifetimes, right? I saw something just came out about that yesterday. Well, did Biden push it back? Biden didn't. I don't know, maybe.

I think Biden gave an order to not let that come out. Oh, did he really? Yeah. I didn't know that. That might be a Google. Google it, Jamie. Here's my thing, though. What the fuck would change if we fucking, if they admitted they killed Kennedy?

Right. Like, what would change? Like, okay, there was a CIA plot. Yeah, the CIA was involved. The guy was, whatever, he wasn't out. acting alone. He was a patsy. Yeah. And yeah. What would change in who would really, I mean, think of how many people

would fucking pay attention to it first of all. Yeah. Most people wouldn't be like, okay, whatever. We all knew that already. I think what would change is that we certainly wouldn't be. Biden official sued over delayed release of JFK assassination records. So I'm not sure why

like they didn't, they didn't really talk about why they were why they detained, uh, delayed them. But it's absolutely a fucking conspiracy cover-up by the government. If you pay attention to any of it. Yep. Yep. Yep. So I don't know what would change. That's a great question. I think enough people would notice, I mean, people already don't trust anything anymore.

Right. Thanks to the power of the internet. But if it came out that the government whacked Kennedy, I think it would hurt Democrats more, more. It would hurt Republicans too, but it would hurt Democrats more because right now, most of the mainstream media is an arm is a mouthpiece of the like corporate democratic party. Right. That's what I, that's what I think. So yeah, so I think it would change, I think it would sway voting.

Interesting. But you know, still, it doesn't matter like there's no good candidates on either side. So I don't know I don't know how it would have changed like the future of America. Maybe, I don't know, maybe you could get a guy like Bernie Sanders, right? Whether you agree with all of his like, you know, policies or not, he's a guy that wanted to change the status quo. So maybe a guy like that could get in.

Because enough people, there would be enough pressure to get like a third party candidate in, you know? Yeah. Yeah, maybe something like that. Have you seen the video of Trump being asked about 9-11 on the golf course and they're interviewing him? No. And he's like, well, you know, there's a lot we don't know about 9-11.

Yeah. There's a lot of shit that we don't know about 9-11. We don't have the full story. He's just keeping it real, dude. Dude, he's, he's taught, he's saying what we're all thinking and talking about on podcasts. So he's back, if this is crazy, he's saying that, though. If this were the 60s, though, he probably would have been assassinated. They probably would have tried to hit him if this were the 60s.

They don't do that anymore. Yeah. But like, uh, but what he's saying, he's, he's saying what Kennedy essentially was saying, like after he made the, the switch. Like the, in 63, early 63, maybe it was late 62. He made that speech where he was like, we're not. we're not going to pursue this Cold War thing against the Russians anymore. We're going a different way.

We're taking society to a peaceful route. We're not going to prop up the military industrial complex. He made that switch. And that's what got him killed. And amongst other things with like the mafia and his brother investigating and putting cases on the mob after they got him elected. All that shit.

All that shit fueled it. But it was really when he said, hey, we're going to take society into a different direction. That's what got him killed. So Trump was kind of saying that. Yeah. And that's why, you know, that's why they came after him with Russiagate, you know? Man, what do you think is going to happen?

It's going to happen when he fucking runs for president. Yeah, I don't know. I mean. Have you thought about that at all? I haven't. I don't have the bandwidth. I can't even think about it. I can't think about like what Twitter is going to look like all these fucking talking

head. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I forgot Elon put him back on Twitter. He was back on Twitter. tweet. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I love that, though. He pisses everybody off. He's talking shit about Elon. He's like, he was on his knees crying, eating out of my hands.

Dude, he's so funny. He's so fucking funny, bro. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. So he's really going to run again. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. It could be cataclysmic or he might just not, he might not pull well at all and might not even make that. It could be uneventful. It could go both ways. Or it could go the other way where

like, you know, they're calling. for mass emergencies and they're taking rights away. Right. You know, that's like the, that's where the South steps up. Right. When you guys stepped up, like, I don't like the fact that everybody walks around with guns down here, but I'll tell you what, that kept us from going full China during the lockdowns. I tell you that it was.

It was Texas and Florida and all these places that have so many guns that you just couldn't attempt to mandate anything like that because you just, people will, will rebel. Yeah. So that really does keep the government. That's what it dawned on me, you know, a good, like, I'm a good liberal kid from Oregon, but I saw that. And I was like, it's probably a good thing that the, especially in this country that the populations are. I think it was more like the politicians. Yeah, but it's, it is.

Like that saved that, like Desantis, what he did with the lockdowns. Right. He came out glistening out of that. For sure, for sure. They should probably run him over Trump, you know. But yeah, it is kind of all backed up because the feds could like, now we're just talking crazy right now. Not that many people have guns down here. It's a very small minority.

Seriously? Yeah. Is that true? Most people here, I guarantee 99% of people that live here and that are here in this area right in Florida right now, they're not from Florida. Oh. They're from the fucking north. Yeah. They're retired.

They come down here. They're snowbirds or they move down here from the north. Like this is such a transient area. area. Oh, right. Yeah. And there's so many like progress, like liberal type people or older people that are from those liberal states that come down here. There's a very small group of people down here who are like big like gun toting. Oh, wow. Now, I don't think it's like, I don't really know much. I don't spend much time in Texas, but Texas, I think there's more guns. Texas is way more. It's way bigger and there's, there's so many big cities. And yeah, everybody's got, I promise you, everybody, except for now Austin. But, uh, most

people there have guns too. So everybody's got guns in Texas. Yeah. I do think it is. I just think if the federal government were to ever get so crazy to think, yeah, okay, well, they're defying our whatever emergency orders, the state governors are. We're going to send the feds to the capital building. I think they just wouldn't do that because they'd be like, oh, wow, no, they're, they're, they're more strapped than us, you know? The same reason that the, the military won't go in and try to arrest old Elmayo Zimbabata down there in C. L. L. L. M. Zimbabata down there in C. Right. You know. Right. Right. Because it's going to be hell to pay.

Like a lot of people would be getting killed. Yeah. I couldn't imagine if that day came. Oh, no. I can't, dude. Like, that'll be the end of, I don't know. Maybe, maybe, yeah, maybe it's inevitable that the United States breaks up. Yeah.

Somehow. But, you know, I hope it's not bloody. But I don't see how else it could be because, like, say if Texas wants to split away from the feds, well, the feds want that revenue. Like, the federal government is not in the business of, like, getting smaller. Like the government is not in the business of getting smaller. It's just this gigantic monolith that needs to keep eating, right? Because everybody's got to get paid.

And it's just it's natural that it would try to grow. It's like the prison population, right? It's so against their interest to like let it reduce. Yeah. So I just think if Texas or whoever, California tried to break away, the feds would send armed people in. You know what I mean? Yeah, man.

It would take something crazy like that. to fix us, I feel like. Because you have like a lot of those, like countries in Europe, they, they don't fucking operate the same way we get on money and getting sick and medicating people and prison industrial complex. We live in a sick fucking society, man. And over there, they've already been through fucking hell and back. They've been through it all.

That's what it is. We're just not, we just haven't evolved. We just haven't been around as long. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Colin Quinn is a great joke though, making that one of the greatest comedians, Colin Quinn.

He's talking about the fact that like, it's crazy that this country. this big. When you look at Europe, that's why it's cut off into so many different countries. Because culture is different. Right. Like he's like, and then his joke is, you can't tell me that Bulgaria and Spain have less in common than New Jersey and Utah. You know what I mean? It's totally true. Like there's a reason that borders and mountains are used as like these natural barriers. Yes. Because like we're not meant to have this gigantic community. It's impossible. Right. You're meant to focus on what's going on. in your own community.

It makes it better. Yeah. It makes it better. Like, we're not meant to manage as many people. Yeah. It's like it doesn't work. Yeah. The only question, the only big concern is if once we're split up into five, six,

seven, eight countries, who the big superpower? Right. Who's that going to be? Right. I don't know. I don't know. It's not going to be China. China's fucked.

Everybody thinks China's about to be the next thing. They're not. No. They're not. That's the only thing. Like, I don't know. Maybe it's better that you, Maybe there's let, maybe there is no more distribution of threat.

That's what it is. It's better that everything gets decentralized. You know what I mean? I think. I don't think we'll ever, we're ever going to solve it in our lifetime. But it's definitely fun to talk about it. Yeah, sure.

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