Danny Jones Podcast - #168 - Logan Paul Might be Cooperating with the FBI | Matthew Cox

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Con artist and true crime author Matthew Cox analyzes the Logan Paul CryptoZoo project and Coffeezilla docu-series. Watch the full episode here: https://bit.ly/koncretepatreon EPISODE LINKS  https://www.youtube.com/@InsideTrueCrime  https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime DANNY  https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny  https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 0:00 - How to fix your hairline 3:50 - CryptoZoo Scam 14:56 - Breaking down the response video 21:04 - Is Logan cooperating with the FBI? 37:03 - Is there an indictment? 43:08 - How does this end? 45:00 - Logan Paul /  CoffeeZilla lawsuit 52:35 - Testosterone & diet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

to ask you about this. Have you watched all the videos? I watched all the videos twice. Wow. And I watched the responsibility and I watched the video where that he just released the podcast, the podcast where he and his buddies are all shoots. Which he really just doubles down on the seven minute video. Exactly.

That I'm pretty sure his lawyer. Can you fill me in? Sum it up for me? Because I have no idea what you guys have been talking about. You want to do it on the podcast to get everybody a background? Yeah, yeah. Tell him. Explain Enlightened Shane on the coffees. By the way, did you know Coffee Zilla has been on this podcast before?

I don't even know who Coffee Zilla is. You know who, told me, oh, sorry, okay. Coffeezilla was on here two years ago. He's just this guy, he lives in Texas, and he's, he has a YouTube channel where he does, like, little, he does, like, what do you call them? They're like, have you seen the YouTube videos, the videos on the, there's different channels that will do, like, documentaries where they just take footage and tell a story. They don't actually go film anything. They just sort of, like, narrate a story or, like, a time of history.

Yeah, they place, like, footage over it. basically narrate a story or explain something, like scientific stuff or history or whatever. It's kind of like that, but for, he used to have a different channel called Coffee Break, where he would do these like a long explainer educational videos.

And now he transitioned to CoffeeZillow where he basically exposes scammers, like Grant Cardone, Ty Lopez, those kind of guys. He's exposing big people. And then now he just recently went on, well, about a month ago, he went on Lex Friedman's podcast. He's like the big,

podcasters that's only on YouTube. He went on his podcast, and then I guess for the past year, he's also been working on this Logan Paul scam, this crypto scan that he did. So I guess he figured since he just went on Lex's podcast, now would be the perfect time to drop the Logan Paul documentary.

So he dropped on him? He dropped a documentary on Logan Paul where he's been investigating some like NFT project that Logan Paul did called Crypto Zoo. And you got to really watch it. You can't just like, I can't really. It's all a scam. I can't. I can. Sum it up.

Matt can do it well. But anyways, people who are listening. I want to hear it from a real con man's mouth. People that are listening and watching, if you're familiar with the whole thing, the whole documentary copy Zilla made and what Logan Paul did, my question to Matt is with Matt. Are we on?

Yeah, we've been on. We've been rolling. My question to you is after watching it and after watching it over and over again. How's my hair? Your hair's great. Yeah, hair line is A1. I need hair. playing so bad.

Your hair line's better than his. I'm going to start a go fund me. You think I could get there? How much money do I need? You're letting your hair grow out. That's what I've been doing too. I'm trying to hide the corners. Yeah, we're trying to,

me and him got deep corners, Matt. How much would it cost to touch my corners up? Probably seven grand. Each surgery is seven grand, but if you have to, if you localize like one area, but most likely they would go through and feather in some just thicken it all around.

Most difference between what you have in plugs. Mine are the individual. follicles. Like their plugs are like a grouping of let's say 20 or 30. So it's a little, you know, it's like an eraser head. And it's these little chunk like, you know, but they can kind of fix that. So yours is like yours is more expensive? They go hair by hair. I don't know, like I don't know what plugs cost. So I'm assuming mine's more expensive. It's certainly definitely sounds more. Slugs are what you do like in the back to fill in like no plugs are what they used to do. They don't do them. Like when they first came out with this, they were doing

plugs. That's ancient technology. Right. So then as they got, they were like, you know, but of course people were like, hey, he just got this done like doll hair. He just got it done. Yeah, it looks. So is it possible that I'm calling my lawyer? Oh, that's horrible.

Yeah, you can't say that. Yeah. What, okay, what, Logan Paul? Yeah, yeah. Logan, anyways, yeah. Logan Paul. So my question was for you being one of the most notorious scammers in American history. The most prolific.

What is your read on Logan Paul? I mean, do you think that he really, I mean, do you think that he intentionally just wanted to do this for money and, and was scamming? Did you read those texts? Yes. I mean, I mean, the text. What's your read on? And what's your read on his response? Do you think he's innocent or guilty?

Oh, no. He, he, you know, he's, I think in his mind, it's not a scam. In his mind, he's probably diluted himself into thinking, I'm not a criminal. It's not a scam. But if you lay it out, like, you know, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, like, you know, it's a duck. Like, I understand you can sit here and say, oh, oh, it wasn't a scam. I'm not a crap. Stop.

What you did was you ran a pump and dump scheme. You pumped up. You misled people to buy something that you were going to artificially inflate. And then you were going to sell off your tokens. and you were going to dump it. Like once you'd, and you say that in the text, you know, you say in the text that we're going to all, okay, we're going to buy up whatever it was, you know,

40,000 tokens. We're going to buy up 40,000 tokens before without releasing it. Without releasing it. So we're going to release it, but we're not going to notify anybody so that we can buy them up. And then we're going to hold them for so many months. And then we're going to sell them. but we cannot sell them if it affects the market by more than 3%.

So if the tokens drop by more than 3%, we can't sell. And then over the next so many months, over this many months, we can sell this many. This many months, we can sell this many. But we can only sell them as long as they don't affect the market more than 3%. You are artificially keeping the tokens high. And the only reason to do that is so that you can sell off the remaining tokens you have at a higher value. And keep in mind, he can't sit here and say, well, I just want to make sure everybody makes money. No, you're the one that owns all the tokens.

So if I'm a developer and I've built all these houses that I put $50,000 in and then I artificially create a bunch of sales of 50 houses at $300,000, at $400,000, I've got 50 grand in them. and I buy them all for 400,000. So the market, and everybody that looks at the market, thinks they're selling for 400,000. So then they come in and they buy up those houses. Well, I know that I've got 50,000 in each house, and maybe I want to make a healthy profit of $20,000. I know I could sell these for maybe, let's say, 70 or 100.

That's reasonable. But I'm selling them for 400,000. The way I'm going to know I can get 400,000 is I'm going to create these artificial sales that make everybody think they're worth 400,000. thousand. You're manipulating the value of those houses. When I did it it was fraud. Right.

Okay, but those weren't they weren't creating artificial sales for their NFT. He was just promoting it and people were pre-buying it, right? No, he... Some people did buy it, yes. He also sold off some of those tokens. So he did have people that were investing.

He didn't sell anything. No, no. He didn't sell anything. Okay. But he bought them. So he they released like let's say they were and I forget the exact. Let's say it was 40,000, 40,000 tokens. He and his buddies had their wallets, right? They created their crypto wallets. And then they went out and they started buying them up as quick as possible.

Well, remember the one guy, I think it was, was it Zach or Eddie or Crypto King? One of them created like five additional wallets and they started buying a bunch too. Logan didn't know about them. And Logan was, then they start having this argument through texts. Like, hey, what just happened? Like, what's going on? Like, and it becomes like this

whole like, oh yeah, it looks like a bot just bought up a bunch of our tokens. And they're like, well, how do we keep that from happening? So they start going back and forth. And obviously Logan and Jeff, they start to realize, whoever was on it with him, he starts to

realize like, I think you, you bought a bunch of these things. Nobody knew that nobody else knew but us that we were doing this. Like there's like four of us and nobody knew about four or five people. How is it that a bunch of other people started buying? So then that guy ends up dumping a bunch of that money. Right. And he ends up making what, six million estimated six million dollars. Now, somebody else, I think I want to say it was either, was it Eddie that made 1.7 or was it Zach? Eddie, I believe. Eddie. So one of the guy who scammed the New York Yankees owner. Yeah. So this guy created a whole fake personality, a whole fake person. He basically lied about everything. Yeah, he fabricated. And not just like a fabricated his entire existence. Not like a, hey, I went to MIT and I've had a really good run. And I've done a little here and a little there.

No, he's talking about. Like I was on the team that helped the New York Yankees, or no, not the New York Yankees. The Philadelphia. Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah. That I helped them win the Super Bowl. And then he's like, and keep in mind that like the Yankees ended up believing it. And then the owner of the Yankees ended up hiring him, I think.

Or, and then it was like I may be getting some of this wrong. And then also like the, was it the Mormon church hired him? Like all these like all these like billionaires are hiring him. And they're, but they're buying him. of this insanity. The military? Yeah, the government hired them. And none of it's true. Oh, he said he was like CIA, too.

He said he worked for like the CIA. He also said he was an orphan. Like, he's got a whole thing going on. He's nuts. He said an orphan, he said he was an orphan, but then there was like other documented interviews where he talked about, oh, there was a video with him and his mom together. Like, how are you an orphan when you just have a video of you and your mom? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This guy's like the emperor. Yeah, he's nuts. So here's what happened. is basically Logan Paul put together a cryptocurrency called

or called crypto zoo where you were going to buy eggs they were going to like mate or something and have hatch other eggs

and you would combine eggs and they'd hatch and you'd have some kind of a hybrid it's like an NFT project right it's a silly NFT project and here's what kills

me too is he does this whole thing when he's kind of semi promoting it getting the hype up where he's like it's an amazing game and the kids love it

our developers kids can't stop playing it. It's amazing. It's so much fun. Who said that? Logan? Logan. Well, come to find out like the game has never worked. There is no game. So, you're lying. Then he turns around. He's like, it's going to be a great investment for your kids. And wouldn't it be amazing if, if, hey, that is going to be a great investment for your kids? Oh, absolutely. He says, he says, wouldn't it be amazing if your kids' first introduction to, to the blockchain. chain was Crypto Zoo. Like, that's amazing. And you can make money doing it.

I'm so excited. I put so much time into this. Like, my whole life is dedicated to this right now. The last six months, me and the whole team, we spent over a million dollars so far in development. He sold it like that. Oh, it's over the top ridiculous. And then so the whole thing implodes, right? Like in the end, one guy takes off, he takes off.

He holds. Yeah, one of the developers. Yeah, yeah. He holds the stock or stock. He holds the code hostage. He won't give it up until he gets paid because Logan hasn't paid him. So they finally, I think they paid him. They get it back. They end up releasing it.

And after they release it and it doesn't work by the way. Doesn't work. The game. The game doesn't work. Nothing that he said worked, worked. You're not made, nobody's people are, and people spend a ton of money. People have bought like 200,000, half a million. $200,000.

They're all over the place. But they've spent thousands of dollars. So we're talking about, let's say on a, let's say, like, Coffeezilla ends up talking to probably five or six people. And those guys total at least a few million. So if that's just a few, and let's say several thousands of people probably bought this. So thousands of people bought it. Let's say on the low end, this guy, these guys sold.

And they, people bought 10 million. Now, the market cap was supposed to be 40 million. I don't know that that's what it went up to. I don't know that that's what they got. But let's say people bought in and it's roughly, reasonably $10 million. Reasonable. So let's say 10 million. Logan's trying to say, and then Logan goes silent.

Now, I think I know why he went silent. But he goes silent. Go silent for a year. But in the meantime, what ends up having. happening is he basically is trying to say like these other guys who are in it with me they sold theirs and they made money i didn't sell mine and jeff didn't sell his jeff is his manager or jeff is his manager so he's saying so it's not a scam because i didn't benefit he didn't make any money really that's so if you go in the bank exactly they give you dive they give you fake dollars

And you run out and you drop the bag, you didn't rob the bank. Great perspective. Or if you, I saw another comment that said, if you organize a bank heist and you have three guys that are going to go in there and you're just the getaway driver, but they go in, they get all the money. And then they rob you of the money they robbed. All of a sudden. You're innocent. Right. That's funny because I use that example.

I was talking about this. And I used the example. Only I use the example of this is like, this is like saying going to the police. and saying, listen, I know a guy who drives a getaway car for bank robbers. And they go, well, how do you know that? He goes, I'm robbing the bank. That's Logan Paul. Like, that's what's happening.

Now he's saying, these bastards, they this and they that and they. Yeah, but you were in charge of the whole thing. You went in the bank. You organized the whole thing. So now you're saying, yeah, but I didn't make any money. So it's not a scam. And I didn't expect to scam anybody. And I didn't sell anything.

Let me tell you here. I'll tell you right now why he didn't scam anybody. Here's why he probably, listen, I'm super sure. Because there's really only one scenario that answers all of those questions. And it's funny because his podcast came out and he actually says it in his podcast. So he says a little bit. Right. So he released his video, his seven minute bullshit.

It's everybody else's fault. I'm a good person video. that doesn't address any of the scumbag things that he said in those texts. Doesn't address any of that. Just says, CoffeeZilla's a hack. Can we walk? Can you pull up his response video?

So bad, bro. I think we could sit there and we could watch that one. That one's kind of short. CoffeeZilla. I watched her three-part series called Investigating Logan Paul's biggest scam. And like many on this platform, you have successfully used my name for views and money. While your work used to be impartial,

your addiction to clicks has clouded your judgment and you've made very real airs. with very real repercussions. Coffee, you took a shot at my reputation. So in this video today, I'm going to be defending myself with facts, something that you have gotten in the habit of twisting as you continue to morph from an investigator to a gossip channel. You see, Coffeezilla tried to work with law enforcement in the past,

but his work was described as not anchored to truth and often speculative. He is a lopsided journalist with an agenda, and he's nothing more than the keen star of crypto and finance. But as opposed to just telling you, I'm going to show you some of the core discrepancies that I caught in CoffeeZillas' investigation. Can you interview the developer who stole the game cause? So listen. So I watched another video where the guy calls or texts, he reaches out to CoffeeZilla.

CoffeeZilla said the thing about law enforcement, he said, I've never tried to work with law enforcement. He said the only time I've ever spoken with law enforcement is when they contacted me to ask me for documents. related to one of my investigations. He is so I don't know what law enforcement he's talking about. I've never tried to work with law enforcement. Like so million. So he's now, he's now, Logan Paul's now doing the same stuff that he's blaming coffee or accusing Coffee Zillow of,

even though Coffee Zillow as far as I can tell, did an amazing job. And he never really says anything. He just provides the evidence and lets you make up your mind. Yeah. I keep going. code fleck to Switzerland and held it hostage for a million dollars. Well, his name is Zach Kelling. Surely as

the internet detective that you proclaimed to be, you would know that he spent time in prison for multiple felonies, one for aggravated robbery, armed robbery at a liquor store, and the other four surprise obstructing the league. Where does it say armed robbery at a liquor store? Go back. Can you go back

like one second? Yeah, so what part about that explains armed robbery at a liquor store? I didn't understand that part. Is he just, is he getting from somewhere else. It's just, he just... Yeah, it's obviously he's getting it from a...

The felony level nine, whatever that is. Okay. Yeah, he's just saying he pled... It looks like he's guilty, probation one year, one count, whatever. You got six months. What's so funny is... Oh, here, here it says,

it says obstruction, right? Is that obstruction? Obstruction. Legal process. And the other one says felony level nine. So, but here's a thing. Like, he's, once again, bashing coffee Zilla for using this guy. Well, this is the guy.

you hired. Right. Like, sorry, I didn't, I didn't put this guy in the mix. You did. Yes, that's a very good point. And who else do you talk to? Like, when the cops go in and they raid a house and they arrest a bunch of drug dealers and then those drug dealers cooperate against each other and they have to testify, like, you have to deal with criminals. And when you're investigating a crime, like a scam, like I have to talk to the scam artists because the decent people that work at the church weren't involved. So I can't go talk to decent citizens

because the decent citizens weren't involved in your scam, Logan. Right. This is the guy that you had running your scam. Got to keep going. And the other four surprise obstructing the legal process. I can see why you kept him anonymous. Who will be calling Z here? I guess among many things, it doesn't surprise me

that he lied about having 30 engineers and a $50,000. a week burn rate. On my end, I was doing $30,000 a week. Which side note is how this delusionist landed on the million dollar code ransom, but it turns out he only had three engineers. Wouldn't someone with journalistic integrity know their credible source had not only an agenda, but a fondness for orange jumpsuits? Or did you just hear what you wanted to hear and moved on?

Because even if you're lying to yourself, Stephen, you still have to believe it. And I know where you're thinking, what type of idiot would work with an unsaid favorite individual like Zach Kelly. I guess that's what I get for trusting the team that I relied on to vet and manage Eddie's hiring process, who has turned out to be a professional conman that I have since learned for billionaires, the Mormon church, the owner of the New York Yankees, and now me. And surely you knew Emilio, the gentleman who supposedly let his tie.

So he tried to like play it like, oh, well, the guy scammed the Yankees. He scammed these people. And then he scammed me. Here's the thing. The team hired, the team would be your manager who hired. Or the team is the people that you put together. So you're blaming the imaginary team that you have that pick these idiots. But you pick the team. Like he takes no responsibility at all. Like this is such a scum. This nobody would tell you to put this out. except for a lawyer who was telling you do not put out a video where you accept responsibility. Yeah. Don't do it. Like you can get sued.

And if you don't get sued, the very least, most likely what's happening is I think Logan Paul is probably cooperating with the authorities or he's in what's called a pretrial intervention. Because I think if the U.S. attorney looked into this or the FBI or whoever's in looking at it. into it right now. And obviously somebody's looking into, he mentioned several times that somebody's looking into this. So if they look at those texts, they know you were running the whole thing. They know you're running pump and dump. So either they're saying we won't prosecute you if you cooperate or they're saying we're going to prosecute you, but you can do a pretrial intervention if you make it right. So you have to do one or two things. Make everyone whole again. Pay everybody back. Or you have to make sure that this product is delivered.

And that's why at the end of this, he's like, he's so positive that, oh, it will be delivered. I'll bet. Because if it's not delivered, you're looking at a cell. Right. That's why he's positive. If I have to learn how to code myself. He's going to spend every last dollar he's got on that. Absolutely.

Because it's the only thing that makes sense. One, there's an investigation. So all this falls apart. So all this, this whole thing falls apart. First thing you do when you realize these guys are selling everything off, they've stole millions of dollars. It's all a scam and it doesn't work. What do I do?

I go to my lawyer. I make at least half a million dollars a month. Who do I, what I do? I go to my lawyer. Hey man, listen, this is what's going on. I'm a little freaked out. Here's what's happening. There's a guy investigating.

Here's what happened. He tells him and he says, okay, did you sell anything? And he goes, no. He goes, don't sell anything. And so what does Logan do? he says, Jeff, we can't sell anything. So we're going to go to the U.S. attorney.

I didn't sell anything. And it looks bad. Right. You can't dump it. He's trying to say, it's not a pump and dump or I would have dumped. Right. Okay. Then he says, then the lawyer's going to say, let me go to the U.S. attorney.

Let me tell them what's going on. Tell them you weren't a part of it. You just found out you immediately went to them. They go to them. They then launch an investigation. They ask the FBI or someone to investigate. That doesn't happen right away. That's a year-long.

process at least. So in the meantime, Logan, don't talk about it. Don't sell. Don't do nothing. Don't do nothing while they investigate. Now, they most likely come up with an agreement where they say, look, if they think he's involved, which there's no way they can't. They're going to say you got two choices. Make everybody whole or deliver on the product. Or you can sell all your stuff right now or not sell it and we're going to arrest you. You're going to go to jail. Like it's at least $10 million. You're going to do some time. For $10 million, you're doing some time no matter pretty much whoever you are. Right.

So that's, to me, that is the only scenario that really makes all of this makes sense. And don't do what every professional out there would tell you, which is take responsibility. You'll look better. Don't do that. You can't do that. You have to say it wasn't my fault. Blame it on the guys that are being investigated. I'm sure Logan's being investigated.

But Logan's already worked. deal to skirt that whole investigation of him being involved. I'm working with you. We're on the same team. Yeah, he's trying to get in front of it. Of course. But he can't, like, listen, anybody would tell you, your best bet is to own up to it.

Because five years ago, Logan got into some trouble, you know this, right? So five years ago, he dresses up like in, in like a kimono and like a, like, kind of like. You're talking about the suicide forest? Yes, the suicide forest thing. And like he then comes out. Like he's getting canceled.

People hate him. It's, everything turns against him. So what does he do? He immediately comes out and says, I'm sorry. Like I messed up. You could tell, like I watched that video.

Like I genuinely looked at him and thought, this is a guy who's terrified. He's going to lose everything. He genuinely is sorry. He's freaking out. Yeah. And so then he kind of turned around for the next few years. Then he got cocky.

He probably started surrounding himself with people that, or yes, man, you're wonderful, you're great. Everything you do is wonderful. And so then he starts just thinking he can do whatever he wants, which is how he's behaved the last few years. And then you end up with this. Sorry, go ahead. ...invest in a cryptocurrency was allegedly responsible for two rug pools

before you interviewed him. So either you missed that or you knew it and failed to let the public know. Why? Because it was a clear sign that he was also untrustworthy. You seemed pretty excited when the guy told you that he couldn't hatch the eggs. Wait, you can't even have. No. I'm telling you, it's just a picture. You're kidding! You can't hatch?

You're kidding! You can't hatch? You can't hatch? Yeah, one second of research would prove that to be false, as you can definitely hatch eggs and even breed your animals. Click on that. Oh, we got a duck! And as you pointed out in your fine print, crosshatching was available on Eath at one point, but you perpetuated the opposite as truth with your chest out. Basically nothing worked.

And by the way, Guy, almost all NFTs are just pictures. Oh, God. Tell you, just a picture. And surely a real internet detective would not break criminal and civil laws in trying to get information, right? So why have you allowed the illegal recording of Jeff's phone call without his permission? And then more like an internet criminal posted online. It was interesting. It was like, this is wild.

Now, although you didn't verify any backgrounds, substantiate any other. What do you mean about that? Okay, you know with that? First of all, so he, okay, so in Texas, I'm sure you watch the video. Like in Texas, it's a one-party state where I don't have to tell you. I know it's being recorded. I don't have to tell you it's being recorded. But the problem is, is that most likely Jeff was in California,

and California is a two-party state. Okay. So both parties have to agree. Here's my problem with him mentioning this at all. It's irrelevant. It's like saying that they raided my house, the cops raided my house, and they found a meth lab. And then I say, wait a second, on the search warrant, you got the address wrong and you never should have been able to raid my house.

Oh, okay. So you didn't have a meth lab? Right. Like, it's illegal to, it's illegal to record somebody and put it out there. Motherfucker, you're a scam artist. Right. Your little technicalities don't fucking change that. But he couldn't use it in court or something, could he?

Yes, he could. No. Oh, what, that? Yeah. He could use it in court, but the problem is coffee didn't lie to anybody. He didn't lie to the audience. He may have put his neck out there and risked doing this illegally, recording his voice and publishing it. That could be illegal.

But the point is, he didn't lie. He didn't, that wasn't a deceitful part of the overall piece of journalism. Yeah, the spirit is the spirit of the investigation is still the same. It doesn't change anything. Like, this doesn't change anything. Is coffee zilla in trouble? you're not going to jail. It's probably not even a misdemeanor.

Like if it's anything, and I don't know any governing body that would even go out and charge him with anything. They'd be like, okay, what's my idea? Maybe fine at the best. It's not like I, it's not like I secretly videoed my girlfriend or recorded my girlfriend

or videoed my girlfriend and I having sex and put it out on the internet. That's not what's happening here. You didn't record Hulk banging your wife? Right. Exactly. not that yeah anyway it's just like he is trying he is trying to just like compile as many negative things he possibly can it's trying to deflect as much shit and bring up as many other people as possible you know it's funny too is he mentions here where i think i don't know if it was the last guy where he talks about like this guy who says is you know his kid invested in this like you were you were promoting this to kids right keep going keep going that's coming up evidence took multiple criminals words as truth

broke laws you still publish the defamation however unlike you the blockchain doesn't lie so let's highlight some things that you did point out crypto king jake stole six million dollars true or not we had already removed him from the team when we realized he was a bad actor and his motives were purely financial conman eddy lead developer stole 1.7 million true or not when we learned he was a bad actor as well he was immediately removed from the team while myself and jeff sold nothing and made nothing as verified through investigation and the blockchain. Jeff, Logan's manager, to my knowledge, never sold. Neither did Logan Paul.

I repeat, Jeff and I made no money and will never make any money on Crypto Zoo. In fact, we only lost money trying to pick up the pieces. As has been the case with dozens of crypto. By the way, you understand that in the text, they say, we're going to all go in and buy up everything and hold it for six months. Well, within six months, you know everything's falling apart. You can't sell. You've spoken with your lawyers. There you planned on it.

You know there's a criminal investigation. You were told not to sell. Like, don't act like you did it because I'm a good guy. I could have made $30 million. You're not. You're not a good guy. You got scared and you got told what to do. Yeah. Like, don't act like you did it because you're an ethical person. I read the- Because he's a good guy. Yeah, I read all the text. You're a scumbag. I know scumbags. I spent 13 years around scumbags. Would you say you were a scumbag?

I'm a scumbag. That's what I'm saying. It's like a, uh, uh, it takes one to no one. I was actually, you know, I don't want to get this demonetized, but it's like, you know, it's like a sex offender saying, wow, you're sick. Like if a sex offender says you're sick, you've got a problem. You're sick as fuck. Like that's an issue.

Like this is me. I'm a scumbag and I'm telling you what you did. That's a scumbag move. Listen, but I get it. Like if it had worked like nice. scam. You fucked over a good 100,000 of your followers. Made millions. And you made millions. Like, good for you, bro. Nice scam. But you couldn't even pull it off. The scammers are turning on it. There's no, there's no honor among thieves. You're all victims.

So he should have known that. And because he just did, he just did like dink doink or something, some dink doink chip before this one. I said, chip, whatever. Anyway, where he made like $6 million on that and promoted the whole thing like it was this other guy's thing. And it really was him. He's buying the whole thing. Coffeezilla just did one on that. I'll keep going. Crypto and NFT projects.

The space is unfortunately ripe for bad actors to infiltrate projects that start with even the best intentions. Jake the snake is no longer affiliated with Crypto Zoo. And we hope the money he reappropriated was worth ruining his reputation. Conman Eddie is being investigated by a higher authority. I cannot speak on. As you can imagine, I was not cleared from legal to discuss much of this, including the legal process being undertaken and the criminal investigations going on during the fallout, but I do appreciate you calling out that rats under my nose stole the game code, millions

of dollars, and left Jeff and I abandoned with no team and knives in our back. But even after 12 months of work, you've still managed to overlook one crucial piece of information. See, even though I've said it's coming so many times, you've assumed that Crypto Zoo isn't made. Who are you to decide when the development timeline ends? I got everything stolen from me in our community. Stop promoting publicly as soon as I knew the extent of the internal issues took all you already launched it. It didn't come out. You set the date. You said, hey, we're launching. You launched it. You came out. It doesn't work. Like, it doesn't work. Like, you're telling me this whole time. Who were you to say when the deadline is? Right. Right. I didn't say it. You said it. And it

doesn't work. And not just that. You've had all this time to go out and get a team, put it together, make it work. Like, this isn't difficult. It doesn't take a million dollars. I feel like somebody could have pulled this off. I think what he's trying to say is what coffee was saying was that Logan had already, he's given up on it now. But what Logan's trying to say right now is, no, we are still currently working on this, trying to fix it, trying to make it better. But here's, and that's what he also said in his podcast. Like, yeah, there's just no way. It's, it's so. And it. Keep going. All of the heat on social, and you still published a defamatory hit piece,

fully knowing I was innocent just so you could enrich yourself in your $10 million studio. Sharp, but deeply unethical, dangerously misleading, and illegal. I suggest you use the money you got from pumping your Patreon to hire a good lawyer. You're going to need it. And maybe we could have talked about this if you had reached out to me, personally. Not my manager, Jeff, who is not me, me, Stephen, but the first time you did was on Christmas Eve after you released your series

so you could rely on false statements and unreliable people used recklessly. The subject line was third request for comment. Yeah, not quite. This will be my third time reaching out to you and your team. The first two times were through your manager, Jeff. The first two times were through your manager, Jeff. Okay, so the last time on Christmas Eve

after the fact was to me, you have a funny way of twisting things. And I also noticed you left out that part on Twitter. Why hide that? He's twisting things. Crypto Zoo is coming. I will make damn sure of it. Stop, stop, stop.

Of course you are. He's going to go to jail. So, look, so listen, like, who else do you go through? Like, no, no offense. That's the point of having a manager. That is the, right. That is the definition of a manager. That's what you do.

That's like me saying, you, you, oh, we tried to reach out to you three times and me saying, well, how, how? Oh, we called your secretary through your, well, your secretary's answer your phone. Like, that's the available number. That's the number we've got. That your managers who I talked. Are you telling me that your manager never told you that I called? Right.

His manager is with him every day in person. Fire. Jeff. Jeff needs to go. Jeff's fun. If Jeff didn't turn to him and say, bro. If Jeff didn't say, bro, this dude's called me twice. I talked to him.

I think he was recording me. Yeah. It's bad. You got to talk to him. We got to shut this down. No, no. The lawyer said not to talk to anybody. Like, I'm going to, and then this way, you keep fielding the calls and I'll be able to say he never reached out to me for contact.

You know, for, or for a, for a quote. Like, it's stupid. It's so childish. It's like, I'm going to take my ball and go home now. What are you doing, bro? Keep going on. Sucks that after years of personal reform going through trials and tribulations and busting my ass to evolve into a person that I can say I'm actually proud of, you led the charge to drive and monitor. ties a narrative telling millions of people that I'm a fraud or I tried to scam my audience.

That is patently false. This video is mainly for my fans and anyone who's on the fence that I hope I can help understand a situation that is tremendously complex but has been oversimplified for both views and clicks. And lastly, CoffeeZilla. I now know your motives with this. Clout and money. Good for you, but also your slime.

What is with this camera? So I'm not going to come on any of your podcasts. If you want to come on impulsive and talk about this, that's fine. hanging from the ceiling. What is it? I don't understand. A little zoo. It can be a one-on-one.

If not, we're going to handle this ourselves while we continue to build Crypto Zoo, and I'll see you in court. And in this part, watch, play the end. He honestly, you know what he should have put. This is the worst part. 2023 slash 2024. Then he should have an ellipsis.

You know, dot, dot, dot, dot. Maybe. Yeah. What do you think this video, is that a good look for him or no? Oh, no. Should he have done this or no? No. He genuinely should have just,

come out and said, look, you know, I'm currently trying to pay everybody back. I messed up. Here's what. And just been honest. Like, here's what happened. You go to jail if he does that, though? I mean, then you're admitting guilt, right? I think that lawyers are always, they're always, don't talk, don't talk, don't talk. And most likely what ended up happening with this one is he probably said, his lawyer probably

told him absolutely do not come out with this. And he said, I'm going to. So you can either review it and help me, you know, or I come out with. without any, he said, okay, well, do it, and I'll review it, but I want you to know that I don't think you should come out with it at all, and most likely that's what happened. Or he came out with it because the indictments have come out, and his role in the whole thing has, you know, has been basically ended. And so he feels comfortable coming out with it at this point. So, you know, these other guys could have been indicted. And then that this, you know, they may not

release the indictment or arrest anybody for months. They have to locate them. They have to, you know, so I've known guys that were indicted. And then three, you know, three, you know, they've known guys that were indicted and then three years later they were arrested. So it's not and it's not like, oh, it's, I heard that one time. No, no, I know dozens of guys that were indicted and they didn't arrest him for years. So I think that I think, I think it's a horrible look. I think he should have just come out and been honest, but I don't even think this guy knows what honest is. I mean, if you watch, like his videos, he's so jumps on every trend that's out there. He's so overly trying to be woke, you know?

Like, what do you mean, woke? I mean, like, like, I haven't seen him be woke, have you? Like, what was the guy? He's hating on Andrew Tate. Yeah, he's hating on anybody. He's on every trend. So what's the guy that came out and was wearing a dress? Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm talking about? Like, he came out and he was wearing a dress or something. I forget. And he came, and Andrew was like, came out and he's like, yeah, I think that's gangster, bro. Like, I think what he did. was like I think you definitely should have done that. It was like, are you serious? Like, what are you doing?

Like, what are you talking about? He's, he's very much trying to be middle of the road or to the left as much as he can to try and make everybody happy and placate to what he believes his fan base is. I mean, you know, the truth is, I don't even think he's a scumbag. Yeah, he's a scumbag. I don't even think he knows who he is anymore. No, I don't think so either. And ambition's a hell of a drug. Right.

And this is the thing about losing money. He's in the WWE now. People have forgotten about the forest suicide thing now. And he's kind of like risen to, he fought Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match and he didn't technically. I mean, he lost, but he didn't get knocked out by him. I mean, he went a long time with Floyd Mayweather, which is like crazy. And he's a fucking YouTube kid. And him and his brother are like on top of the world right now.

He's like at the peak of his career right now. But there's a lot of people that would say. well, right. So there's no reason for him to do this. Right? But the truth is he started it thinking he was just going to make a bunch of money. Yeah, greedy. Never thought it was going to go wrong.

And now it's gone wrong. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah, now he's trying to tiptoe the line. Right. When you have that much money and you have that much fame and you have all those people working for you and all these people coming to you for these business opportunities, like you don't have time to vet all that. you just want to do your podcast and make your videos and do your boxing matches. Like, he doesn't have the time or care to pay attention all.

I mean, if you're like the right thing to do for him is just ignore all that bullshit. And just focus on the things that you understand and that you know how to do. Instead of having all these, this fucking team of people that you don't know who the fuck they are that are supposed to be making these million dollar NFT projects. Like, I don't know. I see how you can easily be blinded by ambition. and just not pay attention and have this shit go off the rails like this. But the problem is now, like, the way he's responding to it all.

I'm just trying to basically be a dick. He just comes up as a dickhead on here. Just trying to call him names. You're the, you're the Keem star of fucking YouTube now. Yeah, it's con man Eddie. Yeah, it gave everybody a nickname. He noticed that. I was talking to Julian.

Julian thinks that, Julian thinks that coffee did fuck up by not trying to contact him directly. because now I guess he found his actual cell phone number and sent him a real text. Right. But I mean, like, how do you get in touch with him? And not just that. That's what I said. I think that he, on Twitter or something, he had like blocked him on Twitter, right?

So you've blocked me. Yes. I reached out to your manager. Like, honestly, I don't have to you want to do. Yeah. Honestly, I made an attempt. The manager counts. You knew there was an investigation.

The manager counts. You talked to the manager. You talked to his manager multiple times on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You knew. Like that, that whole thing.

And then he doesn't address the pump and dump. He doesn't address any of it. So all the things that really make you look bad, you didn't address. He didn't say shit. No. And you didn't take any responsibility. He blamed it on the team. Who is the team?

The team is Jeff. Yeah. But you can't really blame anything on Jeff. You can't really talk bad about Jeff because you probably need Jeff to back up your, back you up with the FBI investigation. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, or the U.S. Attorney's Office. Yeah, Jeff could flip the script on him real quick. Right. What if Jeff says, no, the whole time he was just talking about.

Yeah, we're going to make this much money. We're going to make this. We're going to do this. We're going to pump it up here. And he even has a whole thing. We'll release it this much at a time, this much. Never, if it drops more than 3%, we won't release anymore. Wait another month. Like, you've got a nice little scam going, don't you?

You think you've got it all figured out. It was good on paper. You're good. It did look good on paper. You just didn't account for these two con men. Yeah. You got fucked. Yeah.

The world's full of con men, man, man. It is. It goes bad. Sometimes it goes bad. You can't trust these guys. How do you think it ends? I mean, I think honestly, he'll probably release that. He'll release something.

Yeah. That meets everybody's, you know. And then it'll do well for six months to a year. And then it'll nose dive. How much did you buy? Zero. It'll just like every, all these other projects. I didn't know about it.

Zill did the videos. Yeah, but that, like, so those are Instagram messages. And the argument there is like, okay, that's fair. Like, how do you expect him to go through? He's probably got millions of unread messages in his, right? But here's the thing. How do I contact you if I don't have your phone number? I don't have a phone number.

I don't have an email address. But Cazila could figure out how to get his phone number. Right. I did. I called your manager. Jeff. Yeah. I know you're with Jeff all the time.

I agree. Jeff counts. I agree. Jeff does count. I agree with that. So, yeah, he really doesn't have even, you know, with his video and with his podcast, there's really

there's really no argument. There's no saving grace for him. It's just, he's just a bunch of his buddy. Although, the comedian really did put the heat on him. Oh, and the thing,

the comedian in his podcast. Yeah, yeah, he gives them a little bit of shit, but it is like, we know you're a good guy. We know, we know this is not who you are. We saw you in front of the refrigerator.

You went ghost white. I really felt bad for you being in the situation, Logan. We see how stressed you are. We see how much this means to you. We know. No, this is not who you are. Yeah.

Well, when you think you're facing prison, it'll do that, that prison, a prison stint will do that to you. Hey, read the first comment. It's like hiring a team of former bank robbers to run a new bank, to run a new bank you decided to open.

Fascinating. Like, I don't see, I don't look at, look at all the, yeah, there's no positive comments. Every single comment is ripping.

him a new ass. But here's the thing. Like, this isn't going to hurt him. It's not like he's not, I mean, like it's not like he's not like he's suddenly going to get canceled.

They're going to take down his YouTube channel. They're going to, nothing's going to happen. He's going to go ahead and complete the project. He's going to release the project. He's going to sued coffee zilla. Yeah. The,

the way that... How is that lawsuit going to work out? That's what I was talking to Julie about last night. I thought it was going to be similar to another situation more familiar with where Logan just tries to... I mentioned that situation, by the way. on my podcast.

Oh, did you? What'd you say? It was very vague. Okay. Very vague. So is he just going to try to hire lawyers and just try to litigate him to death? No, here's what I think happens. Okay.

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I sue you with a bunch of allegations, those same allegations. You, of course, jump your coffee zilla, so you fall back on the First Amendment. I provided all my, all my evidence. I provided my evidence. I allowed people to see if I got one or two things, there's nothing that you can say swayed people's decision one way or the other. There's nothing that is inaccurate. And defamation is a very difficult thing.

It's not objective. And you have to prove that you lost money. Like as a result to get damages, you have to prove that that injured me. How did that injure you? All of this was out there. anyway. It didn't injure you. And if it injured you in a way that was, it was untrue, like I accuse you of being a murderer and you got fired from your job and you, you know, you lost your house and you ended up on the street and then you sued me and I had to end up

compensating you for pain and suffering plus all of your lost weight because guess what? We found out later that it was this guy down the street that actually is the murder. And I, I really ruined your life. Okay, great. You've got a case. He didn't have a case. Because everything, as far as I can tell, is 100% true. And if you have a thousand facts and three of them are slightly off, or maybe this one right here is completely wrong, like overall, that doesn't change. You get higher any two-bit lawyer to figure out this case. He'll win.

If he wins, he will get the deal. He will get his lawyer fees back. Right. What I think happens is this. I think that I think that Logan Paul sues Coofeezilla, he makes all these accusations. Um, coffee zilla then hires an attorney to defend it. He countersues. And then because Logan Paul just was one nasty comment after another. Like you just came after my job. You just said that I'm a hack. You said I'm not a, I'm not a good reporter. I'm not a good journalist that you can't believe. Like you went after my, my career. So, um, and everything you said is speculative. And you said it was facts. This is true. And it's all bullshit. Anyway, point is, is. that they then counter sue. Then I think Logan Paul, they end up negotiating where they say, look, let's come up with a settlement. I'll pay you out of court or in court we could say there's a

settlement. Nobody takes responsibility. And Logan Paul gives them $50 or $100,000. We don't talk about this. Okay, great. So now what the court documents look like, it looks like Logan Paul sued you. You counter sued. It was settled. Everybody that believes. believes Logan Paul is going to say, Logan Paul sued him and Coffee Zilla had to pay him millions. And the people that like Coffeyzilla are going to say, well, he countersued him and they ended up settling,

and Logan Paul probably paid him money. And then both of them, yeah, but I can't talk about it. So neither one talk about it. So it doesn't hurt them. But he's not going to bankrupt you know, Coffee Zilla. It's not going to harm him. He's not going to win. If it doesn't get thrown out altogether, very good possibility.

Some judge looks at it, reads it, looks at all the evidence, it goes, yeah, this is, I'm done. throws it out. Right. Yeah, this is, he's protected. I don't see that he did anything wrong. So that's a very good chance. Yeah, I agree with that.

I just. Makes me want to buy some crypto zoo. Having had experience. Yeah. Yeah. You speak of this with high knowledge. It, uh, I just don't see coffee zilla. Do you have any insight?

I don't see coffee zila settling with him. though for like if I don't see him like what is the settlement agreement take down the videos like what would he do for money and it's not going to be it's got to be way more than a hundred well first of all can he really fight like can he continue a fight with you know with logan paul like how long is that drag out like you know and you got to think too the lawyers know you have money they'll gouge you so can coffee zilla come up with half a million dollars for a protracted legal argument that or, you know, legal, whatever, you know, war. Can he do that for several years?

If he documents the whole thing and makes it into a YouTube series. Right, but I mean, what does he ultimately get? Yeah, he's got, he's got the money to do that. Does he? Yes. I mean, did he have it, you know, well, I guess he's, now he's got millions of subscribers. You got millions of subscribers. He had a million subscribers before this.

Right. So what I'm saying is, and everything he puts out now gets half a million views minimum, right? easily. So he's got the money to maybe fight it. But to me, how long do you keep that going? Do you keep it going? He may just get bogged down and say, in the end, what am I going to get? Possible. My legal fees back? Like, how long do we drag this out? That's why I also think Logan Paul pays him. He probably quashes it right away. He pays him. I think Logan Paul, I think he does sell. Does he sell for $100,000 or is it a million? I don't know. But trust me, Logan Paul will end up paying him if he sues him and then he countersues him. And then he countersues. him, which he's got a counter suit. He's got a great counter suit.

That makes me wonder will Logan actually sue him? He's pushing pretty hard like he is. I mean, like he might, like if you're, if he's pushing it that hard on YouTube, is he actually going to do it? If he's making it such a big deal saying, I'll see you in court. Will he actually do it? I mean, it says he is. Yeah. I mean, he's pushing it hard. If he's, and all he's doing is digging in. It's not like he's taking any responsibility. He's just, he's made his choice. He's digging in. Now he's like, Oh, no, I'm sticking with this. Yeah, he is.

Even though it clearly is going against him. Nobody buys this. Well, I guess your diehard fans will. I heard you're in the middle of a lawsuit right now. Fucking scum. Who me? Yeah. I'm not.

You're not? Oh, okay. I heard you hired it just hired a new lawyer. No, why? You didn't? Rumors are flying. For what? For your little battle you had with the SJWs in California for your project.

Remember we were at last time we were on the podcast? You told me that we have to see. I'm, I'm, yeah, you can't talk about that. I can't talk about that. You can't? No.

No. Why not? We don't know where it's going yet. What's an SJW? Social justice warrior. Oh. Remember we were on the podcast last time he was talking about the, when they were talking about Andrew Tate on Zoom and the girl.

Oh, Yeah. Oh, yeah. Whatever happened with them, people. Yeah, we'll see. Working on it. There was the holidays. I got,

you got a little spun. It's been pushed out a little bit, pushed out, pushed out, but it's coming. It's coming. They rescheduled the date. Yeah, yeah, it's coming. We'll see.

We'll see what happened. You're looking pretty filled out, Matt. How are you feeling? Listen, I got a gym every morning, hitting a gym still. You look at you're retaining a little bit of water rate. Listen, it's horrible. Like, I literally,

I went a few days where I ate barely anything. I don't think I lost like a pound And like three days I barely ate anything I'm like what's going on So yeah I'm like steadily at I'm like 182 I can't seem to break That's how much I weigh

It's ridiculous I mean here's the thing though And I don't jacked up though But you know Like I'm strong Like I'm shocked how strong I am Do you think you're stronger than Danny I'm positive I'm stronger than Danny

What? I got a hundred on that for an arm breast We got an arm wrestle, Matt. I don't know. I don't know if arm wrestling means anything, but it's good enough to bet on. It's good enough to bed on. Yeah, like I'm shocked. What else has changed?

Some muscle, pure muscle. Any other benefits to your new regimen? Oh, like my libidos through the roof. Like, I mean, I've told you that. For those of you who aren't familiar what we're talking about, Matt Cox is now on testosterone replacement therapy. He's on the roids, baby. Don't say it like that.

That makes it sound illegal. Hey, I'm going to tell you, I went, I tried the Roids. Oh, God. I did it. And? I went on the Roids for one month. That's not enough. Okay.

So what happened? This is killing me. What happened? I went on it and I, I probably tried it like twice. I am now off of it. Why? What happened? It was, I felt just like overstimulated all the time.

I just felt like too over, I don't know how to explain it other than I felt overstimulated. Did you feel like, did you feel more energetic like you? Yeah, I had, I felt more. When I woke up in the morning, I would just jump out of bed and I was just like no like morning fog at all instantly just felt right. Oh yeah. Stop doing that. Stop taking that. You don't want to be. But during the day, I couldn't relax. I couldn't just chill, like relax, sit back and not like shut my brain off. My brain was just fucking going 24-7. And I just felt like the only way to make myself feel normal was just to like fucking work out 24-7 and like run, do cardio. Just to smoke some weight, wear myself out. And that was the only way I could feel. I always felt like way, way, way above baseline.

I never felt just like I was cruising. So why didn't you just kind of dial it back a little bit? I tried. I tried dialing it back like halfway through and it just didn't change. And I had to eat all. I was eating 24-7. Were you hungry all the time? Always hungry.

Yeah, that's my problem. Like, that's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. There was days. I never eat. I care less about eating. There would be days where I'd feel really good. But there would be two days before and two days after where I didn't feel.

I would feel normal, really good, maybe one, one or two days a week. And then the rest of it was just like either super overstimulated or just didn't feel. I don't know. I was too out of whack. It threw my whole endocrine system just out of whack. So I stopped. Now I'm back to, I feel, I feel fine. I feel back to my normal self now.

But I tried the roids. I wanted to try it. I wanted to see what it was like. So now I can say I tried it. And it wasn't for me. Wasn't for you. Maybe when I'm 40, maybe when I'm 50. Maybe I'll try it again.

But how are you now? 35. Okay. How's it doing for you, Matt? libidos through the roof. Yeah, everything's good. Yeah, everything's good. Yeah, other than the fact that I want to lose 10 pounds.

Why? I just, I feel like I'm just, I've gained weight and, you know, I, I don't want to gain weight. I don't know. You don't have a sauna. The gym has a sauna. Oh, it does have a sauna. I don't know that. No, you're right.

I mean, I really. I hate the sauna two, three times a week. Really? I don't know. There's a lot of naked guys in there. I don't feel comfortable. Mm-hmm. He's walking around slapping his big flipper feet all around,

fucking the bare tile and the sauna. I'm afraid I'll get to wear shower slides. You got to wear a shower flight. No, he's like a fuck, bro. Yeah. That floor's scared of me when I walk in there, man. Yeah, I still have my shower slides, so, from prison. So, yeah, I could just wear those.

Yeah, sauna will trim a couple pounds off you, bro. Will it? Any cognitive benefits from it? Sweat that out, sitting there for 30 minutes. I don't know. I'm taking Joe Rogan's. Alpha Brain You just started

On it? Yeah about about No for Christmas I got it for Christmas So I started it at Christmas Oh yeah How is that black label? Yeah

Nice How's that treating you? I mean I You know I It maybe it's got like a slight placebo effect or something like I don't That's what I said too I don't know that

It's supposed to Yeah I did try It's supposed to give you like better memory recall And if you're like Trying to learn new things There's a kemp there's a one of the ingredients in it. It's supposed to help you, like, retain knowledge better.

Like, retaining knowledge and recalling memory. I forgot everything. Listen, I can't remember nothing. Yeah. I can't remember nothing. Like, listen, halfway through those coffee zilla videos, I was like, I'll never remember any of this. This is too much.

You're all hopped up on supplements, Matt. It just sounds like that. It does sound like that. Yeah, I don't. It does sound like that. It's got a thousand supplements. Listen, if I didn't. take four like three or four ibuprofen every morning.

I don't think I'm making down the stairs. What's your diet like? You still eating the hungry man's every day? Liquezines, baby. Yeah, le cuisine. I probably eat a linguine, probably five, six days a week. And then I eat like a can of tuna. Not tuna, I'm sorry, like white chicken breast.

And I'll eat maybe a couple scoops of peanut butter, you know, like that's honestly, that's typically about it. I'm telling it, and I can't seem to lose weight. My favorite midday meal is I buy these canned sardines and all packed in olive oil. Get the sardines and you put them with the wickles pickles, the spicy pickles, slap some of those sardines on top of a pickle and some hot sauce.

That is the best, bro. I hate hot sauce. I like sardines. Why do you eat sardines? I love pickles. I just think, I don't. I like fish, but, you know,

because it's the whole fish. No, it's freaking out. You buy it like the, you buy like the, in the, A little baby filets. They're like fillets. It's not the whole head. You can buy them whole,

but I just buy like the filets packed in olive oil. It's really good. It's better than fucking tuna, I think. The tuna has a lot of mercury because tuna are big. I don't eat the white chicken breasts. Just the little cans of white chicken breasts. Okay. But when I'm talking about fish, like sardines are like some of the best fish you can eat

because they have the least amount of mercury because they're really small and they don't eat other big fish. Like a big pelagic fish, like tuna and Wahoo. They have a lot of mercury in them. Right. So that's really bad. But if you're not eating it all the time. Right, right, right.

I eat the fuck load of sardines. So. That's why. What are you thinking about that? How's your diet going. He's just going keto. I don't know how we went diet. He just went keto.

No, I'm not keto. Yeah, he is. He's like, I'm just trying to cut on carbs a little bit. Yeah. Just murder and fucking bread and pasta all the time.

Pizza and fucking. I just trying to cut back on the carbs. Like I love bread. Yeah, I mean, it's fucking insane. He is, we got these eye watches so we can compete on our like we can do these like weekly workout competitions to see who like burns the most calories who moves the most and all this shit so with when you get the eye watch you're killing him oh yeah smoke him in calories you get the eye watch you can compete right so I can go to the gym and work my work out like a fucking crazy person for two hours I need those oh we gotta get one though yeah you gotta get one bro it'll be fucking hilarious we gotta get you one so I'll go to the gym for like two hours, lift weights like a madman for like two hours and do cardio, right? He, all he has to do is fucking like hang out at home and watch the football game and he'll

burn more calories than me. It's a little bit exaggerated, but I do burn hella more calories than him. And we did a test. So like me and him went golfing one day, right? Yeah. And we both clock the workout of us golfing on our watches. Both together. Both together.

Same work. Doing the same workout. Same exact. Check our heart rate. My heart rate will be like 88 or 85. His heart rate will be like 120. Doing the same fucking thing. 50% increase.

That's, I think, why he is burning more calories because his heart beats way faster. He'll probably be dead in a year, too. He's probably something's wrong. That's not right. That's the thing, too. Bigger people, I'm supposed to have lower heart rates, right? Like, if you're a bigger, like, typically bigger guys

have lower resting heart rates than, small guy. Like, look at a mouse. A mouse is a super fast heart rate, right, compared to a fucking gorilla. I've always thought that the bigger, the bigger the person or the bigger the animal, that the lower the resting heart rate. I have no idea. Maybe that's something you can find out, Austin. So I'd find that that was weird. Look it up, Doc. His heart rate is always fucking 30 beats faster than mine, minimum. Let's see what you're ticking at right now. Not always. Yeah, also it has partly to do with like your age. Like, I'll bet you my heartbeat is not.

that fast. I don't burn a lot of calories. I can't because I barely, I don't take in 2,000 calories a day. All right now, I'm taking an 88. No way. So it's calculating. It was 99, two minutes. I'm at 99. He's at 99. I'm at 87, 84. 84. He's at 99. I just hit 100. Just hit triple digits, baby. That's crazy. And you've been talking, and you're talking, and he's just very quiet and still over there. And he's stoned his shit right now, too. So that's got to be the reason, right? Because it's heart rate so much faster.

Trust me. There'll be about 50 to 100 people in the comments. Let us know. You idiots don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing to do with that. Long story short, he's mad because I smoke him in the competition on regular. He just fucking smokes me in the competitions. Yeah.

Taller people have lower resting heart rate compared to shorter people. The lower heart rate is generally associated with a longer functioning heart. addition, larger diameter arteries are less likely to develop plaque build up in the Western diet. Hey, look, bro, I haven't been easy on this heart for 34 years, okay? I put this thing through fucking hell and back. This thing might be, been through times where it wasn't ticking at all. Oh, hello there, world.

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