Danny Jones Podcast - #175 - Cartel Gun Runner Explains Life Inside Tijuana's Narco Death Zone | Fernando Puente

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Fernando Puente grew up living between the US / Mexico border in the worst parts of Tijuana, and by the age of 18, he was already crossing immigrants over the US border illegally for one of Mexico's most notorious cartels. Today Fernando writes stories, and hosts his own podcast with the aim to inspire & give hope to the disadvantaged youth in Mexico. EPISODE LINKS https://www.youtube.com/@elbordomx https://www.instagram.com/ferrnvndo16  https://www.instagram.com/elbordomx JOIN OUR KULT: https://bit.ly/koncretepatreon  DANNY  https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny  https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE  0:00 - Working for the cartel at age 18  13:41 - News coverage of cartel wars  20:35 - Maintaining friendships with cartel members  33:03 - "La Tabla" punishment  40:32 - Selling American weed in Mexico  46:10 - The Tijuana Cartel / Arellano Felix brothers  53:05 - The new ‘Narco Juniors’  57:28 - Mexican police  1:03:56 - Being kidnapped  1:45:54 - Why cartels are becoming more violent  1:56:39 - El Capo’s sons  2:06:54 - El Mayo  2:13:40 - Revenue streams  2:17:14 - Drug legalization  2:29:41 - Mexican pharmacies selling counterfeit drugs  2:34:40 - El Nini (head sicario for Los Chapitos)  2:41:14 - Real narco podcasts in Mexico Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How tied into the cartels are you right now? And are you going to put yourself in danger by talking about some of the shit on the podcast? Yeah, well, like I said, I've never been a member of the cartels. Just get that clear. I never been a member. But I grew up with a lot of friends. And it's just like I was telling you that movie Slumdog Millionaire and Forest Gun, where the guy's just like at the right place or maybe at the wrong place of the wrong time.

I don't know how you want to be the perspective. where I've met these people in different situations like street like most of them I met him doing graffiti to be honest when we were just bangers and we were just like like uh with just kids tagging in and like fighting each other

you know fighting with rocks if anything you know just like hey there goes whoever and we chase him down you know and then he passes a certain blog and then we don't chase him anymore you know that's that type of stuff but eventually all these little and it's funny because it was like the leaders of the crews are the ones that actually became leaders

and what is it now you know like little sections of cartels and stuff and uh and um that's how i i communicate with most of them like i got my fair share i've been locked up you know i've done my i've done i i that's the life i want to live at some point um but you you said you never you were never an official member of the cartel but you obviously had it could have been very easily happened that you could have been a member of called the cartel yeah well the guys you grew up with our cartel members, right? Yeah, if I could, I'll get my membership, like, tomorrow. But now, man, I mean, shout out to all you.

Well, you know, you are. Those to speak English. But, but I mean, it's a really, like a great area to consider yourself part of, like, a cartel. You really have to be, like, like, working for them, like, following their instructions. You know what I mean? Like, because a lot of, like, let's say, When I was 19, I used to cross people, like illegal people. That's what I was arrested and that's what I was charged.

What do you mean when you say that? Well, crossing. I used to work for this guy. He will bring people from South, you know, like just immigrants. And I was like, I was wanted, when I was young, bro, I was crazy. Like, I would meet all these, like, older cartels that weren't like my friends when they were young, like older cartels. And I was just being, hey, what's up? Hey, like, what's there to do?

You know, like, I want to make some money. Like, you know, I was always down for. I was just looking for it, you know? That's why I was in jail at 19. But eventually he, it was this guy, rest in peace, Don Sergio. He was pretty chill, man. He never got into violent stuff or anything. He only crossed people over.

You know, he had, like, drivers, and he had people like me that walked them over. Because he actually, like, he liked me. He didn't want me to, like, he just saw how I was asking everybody for jobs and stuff like that. So he was like, look, come here. You're going to do this for me. And it's like the easiest thing you could do to like keep you the farthest away, but keep you working for me and like keep me on his watch. So he will have these safe houses where he would keep the illegal people and like the immigrants that came in.

And if we use papers back then, like if he had like boxes of visas and like all these papers that weren't reported stolen or anything. So if let's say got this a white guy from a lot of heart. I know he's illegal. He's trying to make it to, trying to make it back to Florida. So we find a visa that has a USC residency. So you can't work over here.

So, okay, so what we do is we give you a uniform, which we have tons of uniforms like gardening uniform, construction jobs, uniform, all types of things. So we'll dress you up as you, like if you were going to work, you know, give you a little lunch bag and everything, and you would just follow me across the border. Because he never wanted me to do the driving and, like, the hard stuff,

he was just like just walk him across the border uh take him to the trolley station whatever the h street or whatever and somebody would be there to pick him up and that's what i did for when i was when when i started when i was younger and um and what like what are your what are the things you have to like look out for like what do you have to do when you walk him across the border what do you have to be aware of that's that's why he gave me that job because that's basically the easiest you know what i mean like my charge was aiding and abiding or abetting i don't know how to you I didn't know, I'm not able to be eating and everything. They couldn't charge me with transporting them because they were in my car.

They were just following me across. But eventually one of them got arrested and they saw me that, like a few of them got arrested and I was on the cameras, I guess. And one of them eventually snitch on me. He's like, yeah, that's the guy that I was following. How old were you? When I got arrested, I think I was 18 or 19. 19, yeah, I believe. And so, yeah.

That's how I got arrested. I just crossed the border one day. And it was actually a girl, like a 17-year-old girl. She crossed two. She was following me like a couple of people behind me. So she crossed two. And once I waited for her, and I seen she crossed. I was like, all right, we made it.

I got her on the trolley. And this is the funniest part because while I was on a trolley, it was just me and another guy. And we both had people following us. But his didn't make it and mine did. And all of us, I kind of had this feeling and I was talking to him and he was like, hey, I think that might be on to us. And I was like, I don't think so, bro. And even if they are, I mean, even if this white guy next to me was the cop, he could just go fuck himself, bro.

Like, what the fuck is he going to do? What is he going to charge me for? And he wasn't the cop. It was a guy behind me. We were being followed. Like, when I made the drop and they picked up the girl, as soon as she opened the door to get in the car that was picking her up, all these cars, like on the cover cops just started pulling up with like the, like the little red and blue on the on the grill. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, fuck. And it was like, it was irony at that moment because I was like, damn, they were following us. You know what I mean? So I'm outside this roster just fucking with my hands against the wall. My friend's getting arrested. And they're just like talking shit to us. Like, but they're referring to me as pinchy pollo, pinching immigrant type shit. And I remember I told this.

I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm a citizen. And he was like, what? And they took my passport. And then everything went like a little. A little quiet. I'm not saying they got scared because I was still arrested, but they, like, they look, they watched their words after that.

They were like, oh, we got a USC. We got a USC. And then they put me to the side. They were like, hey, are these too tight? You know, like, they started treating me like a little with more respect. But at first they were like, yeah, we got you. Pinchis poos, pinches illegals. What year would this have been when you were 18, 19?

Should be 2009. Okay. 2009. Okay. So, so yeah, they put me in the back of this car where it was, There was like a child seat next to it, and it was like a man and a woman that were driving me. So they just taking me over, and I'm like, fuck, because that day I was actually going to enroll to adult school because my mom had been giving me shit about not doing shit and stuff.

So I was like, all right, I'm going to enroll today. As soon as I say, finished with something, I'm going to go to the adult school and enroll in that shit. So I got to, they took me back to the border, and they let me make a phone call. So I called my mom, and she's like, what happened? I was like, well, don't say anything because I got arrested. I'm in, like, in front of them right now. And they arrested me because I had illegal people with me and stuff. And she was like, oh, well, what's going to happen?

I was like, well, I don't know. Eventually you got to sit here until they sent me to the MCC. And I just couldn't mention the MCC because she was arrested. And when she was arrested and my grandma, they took her to the MCC. And like, they just take everybody to the MCC, to be honest. What is the MCC? The Metropolitan Detention Center. Well, over here is the MDC, but over there is MCC.

Okay. So it's just a federal prison. There's others like the CEO, the GEO and the CCAs. But when I was growing up, they were, my mom and my grandma, they were involved in like some, you know, some shady stuff with some people from Cinaloa. And I didn't know. I was too young. It was like, I was like two or three years old, probably something like that. But as you're growing up and stuff, you hear, like, the news or like the gossiping.

And my mom had me when she was like 17, 18. So I was like, and she's the oldest of her brother. So I was like the little brother kind of like they just took me everywhere. And I kind of have these flashbacks of stuff. And sometimes I ask my mom like, hey, remember this house? Look at like the bulletproof windows and stuff like that? And she's like, how do you remember that? You know, shit like that.

But eventually they got caught. And I was really young. I barely remember this. I just know the story because I talked to her. But eventually, yeah. my grandma tried work for somebody else and actually it was a good luck for them because they used to cross things you know they used to cross like heroin and I think back then across the border what year was that like the early 90s okay like 93 I want to say so so yeah my

grandma just she was working for this one dude and you know she was making him money but then his work stopped for a little bit or slowed down as I understand something like that And she got work from somebody else. So I guess this guy, I mixed up the story right here, but one of the guys actually used her to get like another bigger load. You know, so they snitched on her, so they would catch her and well, she's getting arrested, whatever, a bigger load across. So instead of sending her with drugs, they sent her with like cut. I don't know how many said in English, but they just send her with like, when they ran it through, it was like less than 10% heroin. You know what I mean?

it wasn't really drugs so eventually they got like three months in jail whatever and she got deported and um and my mom got her papers back again i can't remember well back then the laws were a little different so but after that my mom just went straight arrow like she didn't want to do she wouldn't know anything about that life anymore she like she works from mondays to sundays she's had like two to three jobs from times you know because she raised me by herself i got two sisters two younger sisters. But after that, she just went like that. But at this point, I started listening to the music. I read a lot. So I hear names in the news and the newspaper. And then I'm out in the streets now a little bit because I'm like 13, 14 and stuff. And I'm hanging out with these older

dudes. And they hear names like the Arianos or like El Chappo or shit like that. And it's just things that I've heard in my house out of gossiping, you know, just like the news. I mean, And maybe they never met my grandma or anything, but it was just when you're around that world, you know, it's just the news and stuff, the gossiping, the friends that come over and they're drinking and they say stuff. And I'm there playing around, so I get to listen to everything. And you know how it is? They're like, ah, he's a kid. He doesn't understand. But I kind of did.

Like, I didn't understand. But as I grew older, everything started making sense. You know what I mean? It just stayed there. So I was always a fan of music. I started listening to music really, really young. And I would only listen to, like, rap. And Mexican music seemed to me like old people music.

You know what I mean? Because it was like, I would just see, like, old people drinking and listening to, like, sad songs. That was my perspective of it. But then one time I remember I got this CD and I heard Anarcho Corrieu, which is like a song for the, like, dedicated to like a story. Back then, there wasn't that, like, they are today. But it was a story. And I love stories.

I love reading. I write myself. I consider myself a storyteller So when I heard it was a story I really got deep into it And I just started like playing more and more and more And then all of a sudden like names You know like last names started popping out that I knew

But I'd have heard before like for like the family That my grandma used to work for So Something clicked in me and it wasn't really Like I didn't really get it But my grandma she's kind of still of a fan of that life Or still was back then Like it wasn't like my mom

My mom she was like no I don't want none of this Like fuck this but my grandma, she was still kind of like, she was willing to introduce me to some of that people when I grew up a little bit. She was a gangster. Yeah, she was a gangster. Just a little bit of background.

My grandma, she met like some of these names that you hear now. Like back then when El Chapo wasn't the Chapo that you know now, he was just like another mid-level dealer. And my grandma would be one of those ladies that she had her best friend. She would be dating the dealers. And my grandma was like, hey, go bring us food. Hey, go bring us this. she would like she would do like secretary kind of like stuff you know like maids you know clean around the

house stuff like that so she was around and she she got her fair share of things of you know she got a fair share of knowing people so so whenever i came up to ask her i was like hey i heard this in a song or whatever and she's she just broke the whole thing now for she's like oh yeah that's that's him he's married to this lady and she's comadre with this lady their their fathers to this guy would like she'll give you the whole thing and uh and that's how he started like because my mom wouldn't tell me She didn't like me going like that way, you know what I mean, which was clear where I was going. So, but she was always working, you know what I mean? And as a single mom, always working and stuff.

She was living in TJ, but then as soon as she could, she found, like, a place to stay in San Diego with, like, a roommate. And so, like, we'll cross the border every day because I'm going to school over there, but I lived in TJ. So we crossed this border every day, bro. I'm telling you, like, like from Monday to Friday, half my life was in San Diego and half my life was. saying, TJ. What is like the biggest misconception when it comes to your experience living in Tijuana and Mexico and dealing with these guys and what you see on the media when you see people like reporting on what's going on when people, they make it sound like it's just a war zone down there like that. I mean, there's a lot of legitimate people reporting on it like Louise, shout out to

Luis for hooking us up and making this happen. Yeah, shout out to Louise. He's one of the rare guys who are I feel like actually in it like reporting on what's really going on. Yeah, that's why actually connected with him and actually liked them and because. because I see his work. And so I have a lot of reporter friends like on kind of an enhanced level and stuff like that that he knows too. But they like, like I explain it to him.

I don't like how they like, I'm gonna give you an example of a quick and it's the same thing. There's this author that write about Narco Corridos in Mexico. I forgot his name right now. And one day they invited me to one of their presentations and they were gonna talk about like the Narco Corridor and stuff like that. So I'm like, I got excited.

I was like, okay, like academic people talking about like all this. so I show up there and it's really all academic like I was the only I felt awkward being there you know what I mean so I was telling I was telling Luis I was like I don't like how they talk about like this world and I was right there and they were looking at me like I was a little monkey in a lab type thing like oh instead of like talking like you and me and like hey how's it like how's your fly you know like just regular people shit they were like so how does feel to be like you know they were really like investigative type thing like psychological like I don't know I felt like like I was being observed and watching.

It wasn't really like, they invited me because I thought, you know, I knew one of them and I thought they were, you know, it was going to be just like some. Where were these guys from? They're from Mexico. They're, they're, they're, uh, authors. They have a lot of books and stuff like that. But, uh, but that's how I feel like, uh, like people, nobody dares to like Louise, nobody dares to go in the, like we call it the, the wolf's, uh, mouth, you know what I mean? Like, they just want to look at it at it from afar and report whatever they see. So they just get like like splashed on little information.

But like Louise, I've been I've been giving Luis like some real good like, hey, this is what's happening and nobody's talking about right now. And he's been like looking into it and stuff like that. Yeah, what he did going into a chop post house and filming all that shit. That was pretty mind-bending stuff. That was crazy, man. He was like he was legitimately risking his life going in there and doing all that shit. I mean, if he would have got arrested, he would have been fucked. I don't think there's no arrest going on in this situation.

like that, bro. I mean, they might make it look like an arrest. But most likely I think they would have handed it over to like the right, the owners of the house. You know what I mean? I think he said that he met. Yeah, I seen the video. What was El Chapo's son's name again? Ovidio. Ovidio.

He met Ovidio's mom and his lawyer when he first got there and he'd like waited for them to leave. Yeah. And like I was asking like, what was your biggest fear? Like running into Sicario there or whatever. He's like, and he said, he said honestly, he's like, my worst fear was having one of the police come and throw me in a jail in Cinaloa or in Kulia Khan. and that would be a worst case scenario for a journalist like me as being in a fucking jail there with those guys. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think jail would have been in for him, bro. They have this thing over there, the owners of the house and them, it's very well known.

They brag about it on their songs and stuff. I don't know if you heard the term La Tables. It's a table board? A board. It's kind of like this. That's what they call a surfboard, La Tabla. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They say that too, but not.

this kind of tabla is used for way different reasons. It's one of those like a... Yes, he told me about this shit. Yeah, so this is very common to happen over there, bro. So I even tell him, I was like, bro, you're about to meet the table with that video, bro. Like, I'm pretty sure if you go back and like... If one of them guys, good luck for him

that he does his stuff in English. So, like, that kind of keeps on, like, not a lot of Spanish-speaking, like, because those people watch podcasts, bro. those people see podcast, those people listen to podcasts. Which people specifically? Like cartel people. Like the owners of the house type of people.

You know what I mean? They have time, bro. They have time. Trust me. And I've told them before. Like, yeah, they, I mean, like I said, lucky for him. It's in English. So his audience is like mostly on this side on the U.S.

Because if it was in Spanish, that video would have gone probably viral in like the, like the Mexican media and stuff. Like all the cartel TikToks and all that stuff that goes around and shit. I think that I think that would have made him viral. Wow. And, yeah. I don't think the police station would have been the place he was going, bro. He would think he was probably, I mean, everybody would have known like, hey, they caught somebody in a video. Oh, like that would have been the news in Kuliacan, you know what I mean?

Right. Yeah, he also said that out of all the journalists, they could, I mean, I guess more journalists die in Mexico than anywhere else. Yeah. And he said they're all Mexican journalists. None of them are American journalists. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, they, well, they know the kind of attention they're going to get if they do something to. I mean, they might scare them.

You know, they might do a little something like that to them, but they will let them go. home. So they don't want to hate on them unless he reported on some shit like where he really lifted up a lid on something. Well, yeah, yeah, you know. But I mean, many of these reporters have died for like stupid reasons, to be honest. I mean, and it's sad. It sucks. But, but then again, it's like a friend was telling me, he's like, what do they want to report? He's like, what more do you want, what more do they want to tell people? Like, it's already know. Everything is known. Like, why the thing is, like sometimes, and I'm not justifying the death at all, like, it's

something sad that should not be, like, happening, but sometimes they get so involved in, like, reporting on a certain type of individual or a certain cartel or something. And I understand it's reporting and stuff like that, but if you're the guy that they're looking into, you might take it

personal, too, you know, you might be like, hey, why you're not reporting on them and them, and, you know, why are, you know, I'm not saying this happened within, with any individual or something, it's just something that I was talking to a friend. about and yeah he was assuming like bro we know everything that's going on like there's way too many news outlets like it's not like we don't know that there's bodies hanging it's not that we don't know

who's doing this who's doing that like why do they why do they want to go so deep you know what i mean and then louise talked about this too he's like it's just a part of like a reporter and it's that that is like grimy like doesn't care about anything but the the story you know what I mean and i was like yeah that's why i'm no i never want to be a reporter you know what That's why when I write, I tell people, I tell stories. I don't tell gossiping. Like, if you come read my stories, it's just, yeah, they're based on, like, real stuff, but I'm not telling, like, real, real, real shit that, you know?

Yeah. Because I don't want to gossiping. I don't want to tell, like, Chees-Mess, what we say in Spanish. You know, I don't want to, it's not a page of where you're going to come here and find out about who did this and who did what. It's like for entertainment, you know? But reporters, man, they get in there. And it's sad because in Mexico, people die every day.

and you know and it's pretty easy how how many of your childhood friends ended up in cartels uh wow oh shit alive or dead right now both both i don't have to say more than 20 more than 20 yeah wow when i when we were young and i had this graffiti crew we became very popular as a graffiti crew just because we threw big ass parties like our families did good back then like well my family is from san diego so everybody would work in san diego and living in mexico back then it was really you were making money like you know you had all kinds of groceries in your house and you know all this stuff so when we started throwing parties like other other of my friends families that were doing good as well so we just threw like this for for like 14 15 years we threw big ass parties we just got

a bunch of alcohol my mom would buy me like like because she would see like it was just like tagging and, you know, it was nothing, nothing like in parties. And she's like, as long as I see where you're partying at, that, that's cool because we rented houses. Like, we did, we did, like, real nice parties. We did, like, flyers and stuff. So, so we became pretty well popular in T.J. with our crew. So when everybody is transitioning to these other lives, I'm already well known, you know,

like, and I'm doing stuff too. Like, I'm not, I'm not trying to say, like, oh, I was just watching. I was in the shit. Like, I was looking for it. And where you're, like, trying to get into it, like, I was, you just do stupid shit for free. Like, you're not even, like, they're not, you're not even like, you're not even like, not bored. Not bored, but you just want to, like, build a resume type thing. Yeah.

Like, nobody's going to hire you if you don't have no experience. You know what I mean? Like, you got to get this experience somehow. Got to be, got to do internships for the cartel type thing. You know what I mean? You start hanging out with people and you start doing shit with them for free. Just typical, oh, hey, want to go with me? I need some, I got something to do.

All right, let's go. And I was already looking for this shit. know what I mean? So, like, so when I'm 19 and I get to jail, I already have my fair share experience of dealing with, like, uh, cartel friends, cartel activities and stuff like that, but I'm, I'm not a member, you know what I mean? I'm not in there yet. And then, but I just keep getting like, like I said, now I'm in the MCC and I'm 19 and I'm kind of known. So when you show up to MCC in like this federal prison, there's all this, all this, uh, conspiracies and people with conspiracies, like all the top dogs, you know, the most wanted fools out of

there and knows this shit and um i was young i remember uh uh i was really quiet and you know i just got there and started talking to some people and stuff and one day there was these three dudes talking to another guy and uh these three dudes when i first got they they they kind of bullied me they saw me that i was well dressed and stuff so they were they thought i was like uh like a good kid you know that did some stupid shit so um i didn't say anything i was like i was already ready to fight one of them like the next time he wasn't picking on me that bad but i don't need you for me to pick that bad on me for me to get like i'm i'm like you know i'm mechacotta type thing what they say in spanish you know i don't really take a lot of shit so i was like all right next time this guy

sees me that way or say something in the romay i'm just gonna like i'm just gonna ask him to fight but they're talking to this older dude that just came in for like have a ton of marijuana or some shit like he has like a big conspiracy and you hear about this conspiracies we're they're like, oh, these guys are coming. Like, you see the news and shit, like, oh, they're coming over here. Like, hell's angels, conspiracies and all these big stuff. So he's talking to them about some people, and they're like, they're kind of bowing down to him because he's like a real, like, top dog, like, he's a boss.

And then he starts mentioning some of my friends, some of my childhood friends. One of them, his family has been involved in the cartel. So when he joined the cartel, he was already like, he got a good job in it, you know what I mean? So when he mentions him, I was like, yeah, I know, I know Andro, shout of Suhandro, he's still in prison. I was like, yeah, I know, Hanro. And then one of the other dudes that, like, didn't relang me, he's like, how do you know, and you're not that fool?

And then I told the guy, he's like, yeah, he's parents with him. And we grew up with this, he's like, oh, no, he knows. He's like, no, and after that, everything changed. You know what I mean? They started saying, like, yeah, now he knows. Because I was young and I looked like a kid, but I was already on the streets. Like, I was going everywhere. were like, I remember I used to steal my, my mom's cars and stuff like that, and I was just drive to, like, no places.

Like, because a lot of people don't leave their hood and, you know, their surroundings. And I was just like, I learned how to drive when I was 12. So I was just, like, steal the car, like, get a little pillow on the seat. And I get my friends like, hey, let's go. I pick up my friends and stuff. And we just drive all over, man, and just go meet girls and, like, go to places where other people didn't really want to go because they couldn't get a whole little car or whatever. And so I've always really been out there, you know. So, so when I get to prison, well, jail, the detention center, because I never really made it to prison.

All these, I just started meeting people and like, we all know people that know people that know people. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that gets me a seat in the table somehow. And, and yeah, when I get out, I still do shit, but, like, I get out. How long were you in there for? Well, here's the thing. My original charge, the census was two months, 60 days.

So I get off, but I get three years probation, which sucks. I don't recommend, if you could do your time inside prison and get off without probation, do that. Because probation, they just want to, they just want to grab a hold of you. So eventually I violate my probation. I smoke, but, like I said, I smoke a lot of weed. And I keep going to TJ without permission. I see it doesn't pop out on in the computer, so it becomes easy for me to go every day. What's it like going there?

How do you cross the border? What is the border crossing like going to TJ every day? Are you just walking across? Both car. Well, at this time, my mom has a house over there in San Diego now. So she lives there. But I have my aunt and my cousins that they still live in TJ, but they either work, go to school in San Diego. So, like, they'll cross real early, spend a night, spend like a few hours in my mom's house until it's time to go to, like, work and stuff.

So they're always at my mom's house. You know, they come and going every day. So whenever I want to go, I'm like, hey, Tia, can I go? Can I catch her ride with you? Okay. And she's going to my grandma's house, and I'm going to my grandmother's house. Oh, shit. You know what I mean?

Wow. So, and I'm crossing with family, so they never say anything on my way back. I thought it was going to be like, oh, you're in probation. Like, where's your permit? It's like, because you need your permit. And so. But then once I cross, I don't pop up in the computer because I didn't get arrested at the border.

I got arrested inside San Diego. So, like, the people that get arrested on the border, they, they, they, it pops up for them. But not for me. So once I figure the shit out, I'm 20, bro. Like, I'm just going to fucking. I just kept going and stuff. Eventually, they shit gets caught up with me, catches up with me with my probation.

He's like, you've been going to teach you for like 150 something. sometimes, on register times. You came out dirty in like two tests. Like you're not going to school, you're not working. Like what the fuck, you know? So I'm like, no, come on, like, give me a chance, whatever. So he sets me to the halfway house. He says me two months to the halfway else.

And there it's just like, it was just boring, bro, because I never really looked for a job or anything. I was just fucking doing whatever. Everybody was smoking spies in there. I don't know if you're familiar with spice. Everybody was smoking spice. So I started smoking spice because I don't want to violate probation again. So I just started smoking spice.

And eventually I get out the halfway house and then I violate again for some. I can't remember what I did to be honest. Oh no, they switched my probation. After I come out the halfway house, they switch my probation. And the other guy is like he wasn't having it. He was like he as soon as I fucked up, I can remember. I think I came out there or something. He sent me back to jail for four months.

And after getting out to jail, another. four months in the halfway else. So I was pissed because I was like, I didn't even commit a crime and I'm getting charged. I'm doing more time for this than for my crime, you know? But this time, I mean, like, I met more people. Like, there was this big conspiracies of like the most wanted people that actually now become good friends and not because we did illegal shit. El Gordo Villarreal, one of the most wanted people back in like 2008, 2009.

El Gordo? El Gordo Villarreal, yeah. Now he's writing his book. So I helped him. He found out like that I'm. editing and like i got a sense of writing and stuff like that so he reached out to me he's like hey what i like about your writing is that you use our words and our lingo so i want to see if you could help me out and i was like yeah yeah for sure so that that's in process right now and um and another

guys that was with him he's doing uh he's trying he he did 11 years el gordo is still inside but another guy one of my friends his name is fausto shout to fausto he did like 11 or 12 years and right now he's he's doing straight he's he's doing straight He's, you know, but he's trying to get into like the music business stuff like that. And I'm connected to that. So we hooked up on that. And I got him, you know, some, I got him some corridos too because he wants some corrillo. So I helped him out with some of our friends and stuff.

But there are these people that I met back then, you know, on that shit. And now they're trying to do like some different stuff. And coming back to what you asked me earlier, how's my communication with somebody's. It's kind of like this, you know, like I said, some of them that are still very active. My only communication with them is like, hey, what's so, bro? How are you doing? Oh, no, just here, bro. like children like i was telling you about this this other guy um i want to shout him out but he doesn't speak

english so i don't know it would be pointless i got to get this uh podcast translated to spanish yeah yeah yeah so um like like i was telling you in the truck um i hadn't talked to him in a while for a few years last time i talked to him he actually had to well i don't know if he had to but he he killed another of our childhood friends like we knew from yeah it's just cartel politics and i um happened at a party or something. So, so when the word gets out, you know how gossiping is. They get the, you know, like they start mixing information. So they were saying that, that he was dead, that somebody killed him. So I was like, oh, fuck, man, you know? So I tried to reach out, like, reached out to a couple of people. Like, hey, you know, if he's all right, whatever.

And so he, somehow he gets a hold of me. He calls me. He's like, hey, what's up? I hear you looking for me and stuff. Yeah, bro, how are you being? Like, are you cool? Like, everything cool and he's like oh i thought you were asking about the other so-and-so i was like oh no what happened i was like nah he he's the one that died i was like oh shit man that sucks well i heard up one of you guys too that but i don't know i don't know this i find out how i find this out like how do you call it a hindsight whatever yeah he was actually trying to find out if i was trying to revenge my friend oh fuck yeah man he was like he was like yeah you know what happened to him I was like, nah, how do you?

He's like, nah, man. But what are you trying to do? You're trying to, like, go off to the fools that did that tomb or what? Let me know. I was like, nah, man, you know, I'm not really, like, I'm not, I'm not sure to do that anymore because I was already, like, away from. Like, I was trying to tell you. I was like, nah, man, I was just like, you know, you guys are home? He's like, whatever happened?

That should get to me, you know what I mean? He's like, all right, all right. And when he said that, I kind of like, what? Like, you know, I sense that shit. And he's like, all right, all right. well, I just want to know if you were trying to look for those, you know, if you're trying to do something, you know. And I was like, I think he's high, you know, I thought he kind of sounded something. He sounded madder or whatever. I was like, nah, no, man. I mean, you know, it's how it is. You know, motherfuckers die every day.

Because it's the typical line in the street line, you know, fools that every day, man. Just, I guess you'll be careful, man. Watch your bag. watch you, he's like, all right, man, cool, whatever. So after that,

I didn't talk to him for like two to three years till him and at this point he's like a, probably like a second level boss in the Tijuana

cartel right now, currently right now. Okay. So two or three years go by and him and his boss and like a few other guys they want some, one of my best friends

is a singer. He's really famous. Coliseado. Eric Gargana got his hat right here. Oh yeah. Hold it up. Hold it up next to your face people can see it.

Yeah. Yeah, so he, he, he, we became best friends before he popped off. Yeah, this is he. He's at a microphone in his hand. Yeah, yeah. And he did a corrito for two of my friends that passed away. So I made his logo into my friends. I put them in my, my fingers.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, we become, I'm become best friends with him for, because we started, we just clicked up and we were both looking for the dream type thing. You know, he wanted to be a singer, and film and stuff. And at this point, I really didn't know what I wanted to do.

I just wanted to do something creative. Like I said, I've always loved music since I was... How are you making money? What are you doing for work? I'm just selling weed. Okay. I try to keep it with the weed

because that's the least, like I was saying earlier, it's like, cartel won't fuck with me if I saw weed and like, not even the law sometimes, you know, because they think it's like,

they think I'm sending Reggie, but I'm saying like this fucking medical marijuana from San Diego. Oh, because this, if I start talking about this, it's going to be a whole, I'm going to go into a horn and thing. Yeah, Because I'm one of the first in TJ that started trafficking

we from America to TJ. Back to TJ. Yeah, back when nobody was doing it. I started doing that shit. And I can, I don't give a fuck who's like, I can show this podcast to any other foods from TJ and I stand on my word. You know what I mean?

I know what I was doing back then. There wasn't really that many. And that's why I got a lot of good clients because there wasn't really that many people willing to pay 15 bucks for a gram, you know? That's one of the things that blew my mind when Louise told me this. I'm saying about you.

Yeah, no, no, we talked about, yeah, me and Luis talked about this too. I'm talking about like, shit, bro, like, how the fuck did that happen? What, 2010, 2011, 2012, somewhere around there? Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I did some other shit, too, that made me money. Like, well, this was a lot of years back.

So sometimes my friends, my childhood friends, they would be like, hey, I had some friends in San Diego, too, that were they were just robbing fools they were just robbing cartel they lived in San Diego they moved from Tijuana to San Diego and they just started robbing

like cartel fools and they stayed in San Diego so they wouldn't get killed you know what I mean so they just started doing this shit and eventually and I know them because they grew up on the block

and on the block next behind my house so I know them since they were a little kid they're actually younger than me so and I was staying in San Diego at this point because I was I think I was, yeah, I was leaving my girlfriend. So we were living in San Diego.

And, well, I'm just hustling. I'm just trying to find ways to make money. So I call these guys because they're my friends. I don't know they're robbing at this point. I don't know they're doing all this shit. So I'm just thinking like, oh, I'm going to try to sell them some stuff, you know? Either like some middleman shit, you know, like, hey, I got my friend that has like certain pounds of something. Do you know anybody that needs them?

You know, shit like that. And we start kicking it. We start smoking, whatever. And I find out all this shit, like, I find out what they're doing. And I was like, oh, nah, nah, like, I got. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I ain't tried to do that. No, that shit.

So one of my friends calls one of them, and they're like, hey, there's this guy that stole from us. Like, could you guys go get them? Because they know what they're doing. Like, a lot of people in here know that they're doing. And some of them don't even care anymore because some of them see like, hey, that's how the game is. You know, some of them, like, some people actually want to kill them.

But a lot of people, like, they were rock from each other and they were still cool. You know what I mean? They still be talking to each other and shit like that. It was basically like, all right, you rob me right now, and then next time I'm going to rob you. Not like a word for word thing, but it was like, you know what I mean? Like something like that. Yeah. So eventually one of my friends called them and he's like, hey, can you guys go get, you know, these guys are, they took some of my shit and they didn't pay me. So at this point, I'm not looking at it as robbing.

I'm looking at it as, okay, my friend, you know, like a mission for them for, you know, for these. So we go and start doing shit, you know, we start getting to like our first. shirt of licks you know we started uh getting people and stuff and robbing i didn't really like it bro to be honest i only did like three times but uh i was really broke and i was really needed some money but after i did it i didn't feel good you know even i mean i've done some other shit that you should be like boy you did that and you have a problem with this but this didn't i i've never liked to steal you know i've never been the the robber type so eventually i started feeling that kind of like uh you know i don't want to have that shit on my resume you know that

robbing. What kind of other shit is you that was worse than that? It's just the shit I've witnessed and shit I've seen in Mexico, man. In Mexico, like, you see people getting shot. You see people getting the tablasos.

You see people. Yeah, we got off that. You were explaining that, and I was telling you, Louise told me that. You never actually explained what happens with the top. I was trying to see if I could find. He can Google it.

How do you say it? Can you Google? How can you Google this? Probably La Tabla. say la table la tablela culiacan or cartel yeah it's just just keywords cartel la tabla i'm sure we'll find it yeah la tabla for the cartel yeah um yeah well they use this to discipline people they uh there's this uh corrido singer there's this singer that uh he sung a song with about somebody and he didn't ask permission so the guy got offended called the guy in uh shit i was about to say

It's some real specific. So the guy he has a, you know how people use code names over there. Yeah. And it's usually numbers. So this guy, the guy that was offended, he has a certain number. Okay. So he gave him that certain. Let's say 50.

You know, that's too many, but let's say just 50, you know. Let's say his, his, his code name is 50, so he gave him 50 tablases. And it's you either, like, put your hands on the table, whatever, ass out. You get spanking. And you get spanking and people shit themselves. You know, you can't sit because you don't get like a small spanking, bro. It's this four by four table. And they're just laying it on to you like, like if you know, like if you just tis their mother type thing.

There's videos. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you can't show that on YouTube. But if you want to see, there's videos of people getting the tabla. So it looks like a two by four? It looks like what are these? What's this sport? Like one of these, like one of these, those tables made out of?

Yeah, yeah, kind of like this. Probably even thicker. But yeah, with a handle on the edge, so you can hold it, right, you know? So when you're hitting them, doesn't you know. And yeah, it depends on what kind of discipline you're getting, the number of tablasos you're getting. And that's really common, bro, because people tend to fuck up a lot. You know, the watch out, the Alcones, the Punteros,

the guys in the motorcycle that are watching out for the, well, if military came in and you didn't see them and you didn't let people know on the radio, you're going to meet the tabla, bro. Yeah, you're a singer. You sing without authorization about somebody. Does that shit break bones? Nope.

But it leaves your ass black. Leave your butt cheeks like. Oh, no, this is a video. Turn the, don't, don't, don't show. Oh, he just got the tabla. Yeah, he just got it. Oh, yeah, the whole back, no, don't show it. The whole back of him is completely black and blue.

Well, there's videos of people getting it. Like, that's the afterbath. You can't find a picture of what this thing looks like? The La Tabla? It shows a song. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a famous Corrieu. It's a really famous Corrieu, and it's called The Tabla.

And it's like a warning to people. What does I say? They just say, like, those who are, like, stepping out of line, you're going to be the tabla. And these guys who are getting the La Tabla, they'll willingly just accept it. Like, I got to go through this. Yeah, well, well, if you say no. move. You're dead.

Yeah. Most likely. So it's like, look, you get the, you fucked up, right? We get it. You're going to get the tabla, but then you get to go home and rest and recover. Or you could get this bullet in the head and not go home for me, you know. Yeah. So how did you get into bringing weed back into Tijuana from San Diego?

Well, because I'm a stoner, first and foremost. I'm a pothead myself. You would think they would have plenty of weed down there. They got Reggie. They got Reggie. And remember, I'm going to school in San Diego. So in San Diego, they're smoking that back then, that skung diesel, that a white widow, that O.G. Kush, you know? And back then, you know, the famous song, I got five on it is because four of your friends will put five dollars on it, get a gram, and then get somebody to buy you a swisher.

And then you smoke the whole thing by four dudes, you know. So I just started buying like little grams and aides. Well, at this point, I was working. I got a job. I got a legal job in San Diego. I got a girl. I'm a name of my girl. I'm trying to do right now.

you know i got and uh but uh i want to make a little bit extra money you know i want to quit my job because i'm out of probation at this time dude the day the probation called me he's like look bro you've been doing i well just for close this up um no i go to jail for four months i meet a bunch of people and then i go to the halfway house i mean more people one of them i'm to talk about right now but i only stayed there for three months because i got kicked out we're just so bored and we're just so like full of like energy stuff we just started like checking each other First it was like the old people from Tijuana Like hey everybody got to be got to be on their shit

And if you're not on your shit Like we just started being everybody Not beating about like body shots Just because we were bored And it was most of us were like on our 20s It wasn't like really older people Like it was all a bunch of 20 year olds So we just full of fucking energy and shit like that

And we just with other criminals and shit You know So we just start getting in trouble Like being playing body shots But we started playing like It wasn't friendly body shots You know And I was all like I have fucking

Bruises and shit We left other people Bruce Stubb and shit. So one day the guards see that one of the guys is all brused up kind of like the guy with a tabla.

Oh yeah, there it is. All right, play it. Don't, we're just going to react to it. I don't put the video on. Yeah, he's about to you see? Oh shit. It's just like a big paddle.

Giant paddle. Yeah, that's the word. Paddle, that's the word I was looking for. My bad. God damn, bro. Yeah, if you move like that. Yeah, he only got two. Yeah, he's lucky.

I think they do another person. I get it. I see what it is. Luis said he was going to bring one next time he comes here so I can have it and put it on display in the background. Yeah, you should. Cool. Or I'll put it on the shelf. Yeah, well, he was about to meet it. What?

Luis, he was about to meet the tabla. He was about to meet the tabla? Well, if he would have been caught or, you know, he did the dispensary thing and they, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He should be careful me because it's small stuff that are not going to get.

him killed, but it's enough to give you some tablazzas, you know what I mean? Like, they know, like, you could go to the police, but like, they didn't kill you, so they're not going to make a big deal out of it, you know? Yeah, well, that dispensary story with him was crazy because the dude, I guess the dude he was talking to. He kind of backed out of like the. Yeah, like he was already like balls deep into the story with him. He was letting him in and he wanted to, but the guy wanted, like, he wanted to, like, let

Luis in and tell the story, but he didn't want to give him too much. Yeah, well, he wanted to keep the names out of it, but Luis was going in for the names. I mean, what's the point of talking about? You're not going to talk about who owns it, you know what I mean? And I get his point. And I also get the other guy's point, too. And I didn't want to be that guy. That's why I talked to my friends, be like, hey, can I say this shit?

And can I say this? Can I say that? Because, I mean, I'm not going to change this, bro. Even if I were to, like, turn, like, full-on snitch or whatever. And, like, I'm not going to change anything. You know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not trying to. But I'm not helping them either.

You know, I'm not, I'm not doing anything bad. I'm just staying on my way and anything. But at the same time, they're still my friends and like, and the people that are not, I don't want to cause them any trouble. I don't want to get in their way at all. Like, I don't want to cause them trouble or I want to help them. I just, what's up? Like neighbors, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, you just say, what's up to them and keep it cool and everybody goes on their way. It's crazy watching, like, the history of Mexico and how the cartels became cartels, you know, from the day of the plazas. to the Halis or the, to the Guadalajara cartel and that being broken up into all, you know, the main cartels you see in Mexico right now. And it's,

it's wild to think about like what, what is going to happen in the next decade? I wonder. Do you ever think about that? Yeah, always. Yeah, especially because, yeah, well, right now I really go to TJ because it's a full on word right now.

And yeah, if you're like a, what they call out here, like a civilian, if you don't have nothing to do, well, yeah, you might get you might be pulled over for you know for whatever reason sometimes but you're not going to get in any trouble but now it's to a point where like you get pulled over and everybody's a suspect it's just the war has gone so bad that like everybody's paranoid yeah no well like i was telling you that cops are paranoid i mean they've arrested all kinds of people that look all sorts

of ways so it's not like they're looking for the people that look or tuckerware and they're just going on for anybody you know they they've arrested girls with their kids you know they're arrested mothers, they've arrested all kinds of, so it's just like everybody's a suspect, but it creates this tension where, like, the cops are not nice at all, bro, especially. That's a good thing to explain right now. What is the dynamic between the cops in Tijuana and the cartel? There's one cartel in Tijuana right now. No, there's three. There's three cartels in Tijuana. Well, kind of four with police, but yeah, let's say three. There's three. There's three. So there's three different cartels in Tijuana, Sinaloa and Tijuana.

But it's funny because they all branched out from the original Tijuana cartel. Once the original leaders started getting arrested, killed and stuff, everybody just started finding other ways because the thing is, with the Tijuana Cartel was based on the family, the Ariano Felix. Right. So when the Ariano Felix didn't, like, when the, it's a big family, what I understand, and not everybody is involved, but when the guys that were involved either got arrested or killed, like.

So for people that don't know who, Ariano Felix is he was one of the main founders of the Tijuana cartel. They, they are their brothers. Yeah, the two brothers. Yeah, well, there's a bunch of brothers, but only like four of them were involved with the cartel. But I believe there's like eight. And there's a picture.

I don't know if you want to put. There's a picture of the whole family. Who was the brother that was on the David Letterman show? They like, a Ramon Ariana. Ramon. He was a violent one. He got Benhamine, which is the brains. And you also violent, but mostly the brains.

And you got Ramon, which is just like the general. He was the killer. He was the guy they started filming. Yeah, but they all had, I think we're getting into all these different guys. I know, yeah. But the thing with them is they were mostly rich, rich families. So they all could go to, could cross to the U.S. before they were even criminals. So they would come and go to L.A.

And I guess one day he was in, where they filmed? I think that was in L.A. Yeah, in L.A. And you could see, well, if you don't know him, you don't really, you can't tell. But you can see he's kind of trying to like, what do you call it? We're like a costume type thing. Oh, the skies. Yeah, yeah, there's guys.

Terrible disguise. Yeah. And but to the production guys, it's funny to them because he looks kind of funny. So they keep putting the camera on and he's like, nah, no, no, I'm Spanish. He's like, he's probably thinking about shooting them. If he was in Mexico, because he has that reputation of shooting people in the face. Like there's a story where he's getting out of a club or something, and he's like on the street, and he's drinking and he's talking to a girl.

So eventually a cop, cups, he's like, hey, you can't be drinking on the street, and he just pulls out a gun and shoots him in the face. And that's how much power they had, you know. He just drove off from that and nothing happened. So I'm guessing at that point where the David Letterman guy is, like, putting the camera on his face, and he's like, N'Avespagnan. He's like trying to get him to like.

And he had that, like, fanny pack around the shoulder. Yeah, yeah, that they were what he wears. So he's like, no, Spanish. There it is. Oh, my God. He looks like Tim Dillon. And yeah, man, I mean, you'll be right next to him in LA, waiting for the light to, you know, to change and you wouldn't even know. And that's really the dynamic in TJ, you know.

There's another really famous comedian YouTuber out there. His name is Adrian Marcelo. Shout out to him. He came a couple times to DJ for presentations, but he's kind of like interested a little bit because he hears the news and he's. So he's like, he's curious. He asks about stuff. So last time he came, he spent a weekend there. And on his last day, I was like, so how was it?

Did you feel like unsafe or anything, whatever? Did you feel like, he was like, no, man, not at all. And I pulled up a news story and it was like 16 people died this weekend, bro. If you love diving into culture and comedy, like on Danny Jones podcast, playoff hockey is right up your alley. NHL on T&T has the best coverage, making every game feel intense and unpredictable. hockey is a different level, overtime, big hits, and no one coast. The studio crew with Paul Bissonette cracking jokes and Wayne Gretzky breaking things down makes it even more fun to watch. Every shift matters and the personalities keep things lively. Watch the Stanley Cup playoffs on TNT, TBS, True TV, and HBO Max.

And it was like a high, for Mexico still like a high number for a weekend, for three a weekend. I told him 60 people got killed in TJ where you were here and you didn't like didn't even feel like nothing, you know? And that's that's the dynamic and like all this shit is going on. But if you're like on your thing, like you might not even know, you know. Right. Now is TJ is it is it so violent in Tijuana because all the cartels south of there have to travel through Tijuana to get to the U.S.? Yeah. Yeah, I talked to one of my friends.

The difference between, like, let's say, Sinaloa, their history with, like, the narcos is usually because people don't have opportunities. You know, they live in rural areas, you know, the country, and the government doesn't give a fuck about them. You know, some of these people don't have lights. You know, they don't have shit like that. So they come out of that and, you know, they grow, they get into the business, you know, for bettering their lives. But in T.J, the people that get into the business in T. In T.J., we got opportunities, bro. Like, people from the South corner T.

to find jobs or to work. So, like, people over here, we do it because we like it. You know, it's more like the thrill of it. Like the, also this, this culture from, I was talking my friends from Revolione over there by, well, like Juarez, like Luis. He gets, he gets all this, like, Texas thing. It drips down to Juarez. But us, we get L.A. So we get this gang culture also.

So you see, like, like the low-riding culture is pretty popular in Tijuana. Now, like, all this stuff that just fucking boils down to, like, this American culture, just boils down to us. So this gang culture is really settled in. That's why they said we were the tag bangers, you know, we did graffiti, but we like the, like, gang banging thing because we listen to, like, NWA or, you know, like, gangster rap, West Coast music. So we grew up on that, and then you mix it with, like, all these traffickers and their gang life,

and it just becomes a whole other thing, you know. Right. That's the difference between this, like, people. in the South and the people in TJ. And that's why it's more violent because that's what I was saying with the Ariana Felix, most of them. And they actually had a group of

their cartel that was called the Narco Juniors. And it was these people, it was these guys like the wealthiest families of TJ and San Diego. Their sons just became members of the cartel. So that's like I was saying like in the South, you got these people like

doing it for, you know, for looking for lack of opportunity. But over here, you got like literally these guys like sons of like neurosurgeons and like all these important people. They're like the wealthiest kids, bro. And they're like with Ramon and them like killing people and like they're actually like if you make it seem like characters of a movie, they actually were like the real deal because they had money and they had everything and they did the shit themselves. Like they were the cicars like they had cicarius but they were doing shit themselves.

They were doing it for the thrill, you know what I mean? They were doing it for the, just to leave, like, you know what I mean? So Narco Juniors, they really left the legacy because it was this really rich kids that were cartel buses. So that's like, well, like 25 years ago. So now you got this new generation of Tijuana Cartel. And the day you called me, like I said, I was talking to one of them. And I was like, hey, so they. they want to ask me in this podcast about, like,

what's up, you know, about the life and shit. And I thought they were going to be like, nah, keep a low key, you know, like, like, don't say much, whatever. Bro, they were like, nah, tell them where the shit. Tell them like, yeah, there's all the cartels of, but we're the ones, you know, like, tell him with the new narco juniors.

Tell him if he knows about the back then, well, we're the new narco juniors. And show him this narco-corridor. Like, I'm like, I'm not going to play him no songs, but I'm going to tell him, like, I'm going to let him know. So, and I mean, these new narco juniors you look at them and they're like uh i mean they're wearing like they look like rappers you know they're wearing like fucking fifty thousand dollar outfits with like their chains and

like fucking expensive shoes they go to dubai and like for fucking two weeks and you see them in lambos you see them buying expensive shit like taking tours and helicopters like just and they're like they're not past 25 probably you know and i know some of them because they're the little brothers of my generation of friends, you know, their little brothers now grew up. And now they're like, hey, I remember you, used to, you like, and I'm like, damn, that's you? And I see him, like,

all, you know, like, all with, like, fucking old go cheat out and all shit. And we're at private party with, like, all kinds of, like, you know, shit. And now they're like the, now, like the head of the cartel, he's like, he's looking up for them. Because their brother was, like, a really, he was respected in the cartel. He got

shot, he got killed. And now the, the guy that the boss, he's just looked out for them. He's looking out for them in a way, you know, just giving them easy jobs and stuff like that, way to make money and enjoy life, you know, because they can travel, they can go to, like, Dubai and Colombia and stuff like that,

because they're not looking for them. You know, they're not wanted yet and stuff like that because they're young. Some of them are like 21, 22, you know what I mean? They're barely starting and they're already living, you know? And that's why they tell me they're like, tell them where the new Narco Juniors. And if you see the Narco series,

Bad Bunny plays, the one of the most famous narco juniors. He plays the one that became a snitch though. Well, that's what, yeah, yeah, he's not, because a lot of Narcos juniors, they went back, bro. When they got out of jail, they went back. Really? Some of them went back.

And so a lot of them, like, they turned, like the one that Bad Bunny plays, they never seen him again. Well, I'm pretty sure, like the families, because they, it's like a mafia thing. It's like their families, you know, like, I'm compatri to your kids and stuff like that. So they call each other family. Everybody calls each other Uncle Thio.

Hey, that's my T-O-D-D, is my T-O-A. So now it's a generation of a new generation that, I mean, like I said, this is 20 to 25 years ago. Most of these people get like 25 years in jail, but with good time, they get out in like 20. So some of them are out. And yeah, I don't want to say more about them because they didn't let me talk about them. But yeah, some of them are out. And their kids are like are following the same steps. So we kind of like distracted, but the main dynamic in Tijuana is there's, you said four, but there's three main cartels there.

Yeah, we just say four because the cops sometimes act like a cartel of their own. So my question was like, what is the dynamic with the cops and the cartels there? Well, what percentage of the cops are bought off by the cartels and just working with them and communicating with them? And how many of them are just like rogue completely against the cartels? else completely against i would say it's uh i don't know i want to say half i think i'm just trying to be fair because i know there's a lot of good cops i actually know a couple of cops that are not that not that corrupt like they'll take your 20 bucks if you ran over a red light type thing but they won't kidnap you or they won't you know they won't like do shit like that so you'd say half of the

cops in t wanna maybe i want to say something like that oh shit i want to say more but i want to be fair like i i don't want to talk out of ignorance. Right. But I probably say more, man. I mean, because just the shit that I've seen, like, I don't want to, I don't want to, there's them. My respects to all those police corporations over there, but, but yeah, man, sometimes they don't get a fuck.

Like, they'd be ruthless, ruthless. Like, do they work for all the cartels? Well, they kind of have to, to be honest. Like, but different sections, though, like, I'm trying to find a way to break this down. like, let's say, let's say one cartel had bought off the homicide department. And let's say the other cartel has bought off the, what do you call it? When you sell drugs, but it's not in a big scale, but in the lower scale. Narcotic?

Yeah, when it's like narcotics. You know, like they have bought off like different sections of the police type thing, different cartels. You know what I mean? So it's not like back then. where you just showed up and you bought the commander or the captain and like now the whole police was on your service. Now now it's like some people were for these guys. Some guys were

for these guys. And actually right now they're actually fighting amongst each other. Right now actually I remember this. I was showing Louise a news story. They haven't eventually it was going to happen because you know they're serving a lot of people. They're fighting each other because they act like cartel sometimes

bro. They've arrested cops and this is public news. They were arrested cops like trying to sell weed that they confiscated. Not weed, I mean, drugs that they confiscated. Mostly meth and cocaine. You know, or fentanyl, like the pills. But, yeah, they've actually caught, like, other, like, police have caught other police

trying to sell the shit that they confiscated. And you know because, like, they go and confiscate, like, let's say, like, 50 keys of cocaine from a certain cartel. And if the cops go and present it to, like, the authorities and do the right thing, like, the cartel wouldn't even trip. But if they don't find out anything about the shipment and they just lost, well, that means the full stolen. So now it's personal. You know, so now you see this, this, what do you call it, like when they leave signs and messages on the bridges and stuff like, hey, commandante, whatever, whatever, you took this shit from us.

You better either sell it back or give it back or, you know, because one thing is getting confiscating and doing your job and, you know, presenting it. And one thing is you stealing them from them. That's not a police job. You know? So they've been having a lot of trouble with that. That now it's even, like, it used to be like the guys that they were robbing against the police. But now it's like other police against themselves. They have this really famous group in Facebook where they're actually looking for the, like they're, they just post every time they see the state police.

Because they've been getting this really infamous or what do you call it when it's a bad rep of just kidnapping innocent people now. They used to do it to like the state police Yeah they used to do it to like criminals They used to like you know if you're cartel Oh yeah we got some money for me all right We're gonna let you go but we're gonna keep this 50,000 bucks And you know as a criminal you're like all right cool you know fuck it You know you know the drill you know what's up

But there's been news coming out where they've been doing it to like A regular businessman you know you don't have nothing to do But they say that you have money They can get a you know quick 10,000 from you know They might be like you're you better give up this money or we're going to present you to the judge with like, I don't know, the fentany or something. And they're going to say that they caught you with it. And even though you can prove that they didn't, it's going to take months for you to prove that

which months that you're going to do in prison. So you don't want to do that, you know what I mean? So if you have the 10,000 bugs, it's like a kidnapping. You know, it's just like a kidnapping. Yeah. So they've been really having bad rep because of that. That now they created a famous, I mean a Facebook group. And it's not even cartel people, it's civilians in this group.

And it's like people just reporting on them. Hey, they pulled over this car if anybody of you is like, if you know them, whatever, you know, they've had them there for like about an hour. And there's this other thing. It's illegal to check your cell phones for the police to check your cell phones. But they don't get fuck. That's the first thing they, when they put you over, that's the first thing they ask for. Really?

Yeah, they take your phone. If it's locked, you better unlock it. What are they looking for in your phone? They look for the pictures. They look for the messages. They look for your notes. They look for everything. Like if you have, I mean, there's been times where there's like girls who are like,

hey, I have like intimate pictures. And we're like, I don't care. Better unlock your phone right now. And one of my friends once said, I can't unlock it. Bam! You sure? All right. Unlocked it.

And, and I mean, I think anybody you go through their phone, you're going to find something suspicious, man. I mean, even if you're innocent, you know what I mean? I believe that anybody has like, because there's always this talk. Like, I got in trouble once because I had some of my friends, they were like, hey, what's up? Where's the weed at? You know, they just wanted to smoke. And he was like, hey, why is he asking you for weed?

Do you sew wheat? I did so weed, but I didn't have proof that I saw it. So I was like, no, man, I'm just a stoner. I was like, we smoke joints. I don't drink. I was like, it's like if your homie calls you and he's like, hey, let's drink a six-pack. I don't drink six packs. I smoke.

So my friends called me to smoke. So that's how they got a guy cut off with that one. But there's been times where I haven't gotten off. And I've met, you know, I've been through that drill, you know, the back over your head drill, you know, tied up behind a police car. How long ago is that? I don't know. I pray, let's say about two years ago. Two years ago.

Yeah, I was in, like I said, I've been trying to stay away of the whole thing. but this this this thing that came uh there's this white guy like ex-military and he gets a bunch of guns and he sends him to tj and i bought up one from one time but it was just for me for like for my house because you're in tj you know what i mean like if there's people like bringing in your houses maybe you're such you know whatever reason i just you know you feel safer um uh i'm pro guns you know so i'm like i just had in my house how could you not be in yeah but but once i bought that one of them i bought that one gun My friend's like

Hey, what did you get that gun? I was like, oh, this white guy has him? He's like, oh, can you think he could give me one? I was like, sure. So I hope to. American guy? Yeah, he was ex-military. He goes to these gun shows or gain, you know what they do, like, expos and stuff

and you get cheap. He has like a memory show. He's like a very well-known buyer. So he gets a bunch of guns and he used to sell them and like get him in Mexico and stuff because they're clean guns. So like I got one for myself just to keep him a house. My friend wanted one for him, so just to keep in the house. But my friend's friend, he won at three.

So I was like, yeah, he hasn't. For me, it was like, yeah, yeah, he's right there. So he bought three, you know, and then he bought like another three. And then he bought like four. Then he bought like two AKs and stuff like that. And I kept being the middleman because I was making like a few bucks on the side. But sometimes I didn't even see the guns because they were, they had their thing going. Like they know who pick it up, whatever.

So they just, my friend just got the money to me. So I get pulled over and I have all these messages with pictures of guns and prices. and the people I'm selling them to and shit like that, you know what I mean? So yeah, man, they're like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? You know, like I said, sometimes they get innocent people,

but this time I was fucking up. You know, I understand, I recognize I was fucking up. But on my mind, it was just something like, it wasn't that big of a deal until I was with the cops. So you got pulled over and then... No, it was some fucking bullshit.

I've always been really careful, but really careful. Like, I've never, my house never got, rated because of shit I've done like I've always stayed like I've never been arrested in Mexico or anything I was arrested over here but it's American and I was crossing shit and I was young but um but after that little trouble stuff I've never been in trouble again I've never been arrested even though I kind of like fucked up sometimes I've gone away with shit like that so um

so at this point um I was doing that shit and and I'm in TJ and my friends like hey let's go to swap me and I got to buy this computer so I'm all right let's go I just rented a new house and I have no furniture and I only had like my bed I think so I don't want to stay in there I didn't even have Wi-Fi so I'll go with you because he was like wait for me here I was like no go with you so he's using an Uber to maneuver around because that's how that's the that used to be the easiest way to move around because you don't get pulled over if they see it's an over there they're like you know it's like whatever you sit in the bag the guy has the Uber application on the phone so it looks pretty clean so we move around like that we get to the

swap meet we got you imagine being a fucking Uber driver in Tijuana bro bro they're Them overdrppers be moving stuff, some knowing and some not knowing because I've been in there. And the ubers with like my backpack full of like two or three pounds of weed and like edibles and just all kinds of dispensary shit. And they don't even know. So, yeah, we go to swap meet just to give you a little context. There's been reports of like absorption going on swatmeets or like they are like little, you know, little shops. What do you call it in the swatmeets? like little, yeah, little, little different type of shops.

Some of them sell drugs or some of them are being restored. So we're not there to extort nobody. We're not there to say anything. We're just there to pay for a computer that my friend bought for his kid that he's learning how to stream. But as you can see, I look like a fucking Mara Salvatrucha with all my tattoos and shit like that. So I'm just like, I got sweats and I'm like, I just got out the house. So I'm not even dressed like, you know, like I got sweats. And my friend, my friend is like he's dressed well.

So you put us together You know It kind of looked like some cartel shit going on You know he's all well dressed He has a cholo with him all tattered out And they always say this He's like yeah you're the hitman And he's the boss

And I'm like no no no Like we're whatever We're different So we pulled up to the shop With the computer And then what he's doing the business No they're showing on the computer The shit that it has

And he he boasts out the money It's like a thousand bucks to pay for it But he has like $3,000 And then all of a sudden I hear a cop coming But because I'm just like on my phone, like right outside the little shop on the alley. And then the cop comes. And I just see him like staring around and looking at me.

He's all fat and like he looked more like a mall security. So I see him and I'm like, whatever. He's like, everything good. I was like, yeah? Why? Well, whatever, you know? So I just keep minding my own. And then I hear all kinds of radios and walkie talkies and keys.

And I looked to my right and four cops, four or five cops just coming our way. At this point, I'm like, I'm the only suspect in here. Like, there's no way they're coming for somebody else. So my friend's dealing with stuff with the computer. So they just come, grab me and throw me in the current, the metal current that they used to close it. The other shop was closed. They just threw me against that shit. And I was like, hey, bro, you're tripping.

Like, I don't have shit on me. Like, what are you doing? He's like, no, shut the fuck up. They just came. Right. Even the guy that was saying of the computer was like, hey, they're just wired. And they were like, yeah, shut the fuck up. You shut the fuck, whatever.

So they didn't even ask us anything. They handcuffed me and my friend. They let the Uber go. they let the Uber go we don't know if he's the one that that you know like that set something set something out yeah set us up or something

so we're going to to the to the, they're taking us out the swatming going to the patrol car they use pickups over there so I'm like these who are stupid we only have like a vape pen like what the fuck are they because they're local police too they're not state police I'm scared of the state police so if they're local

police I'm like oh these two's like they're cooler you know they're more understanding I thought they're more like they're not that mean. So I'm like they're probably going to take us to the, they're probably going to want money. At first I'm like, they're probably won like 50 bucks or something because we got a vape pen and they're going to threaten us to, you know, take us to the judge if we don't give him some money. So, you know, I'm thinking this is going to happen. But the guy takes our phones and puts handcuffs us and throws us in the pickup truck, but in the back, like in the bed and just facing down. And at that point I'm like, all right, all right, this is not like I've been a red, like I've been, I've been through that shit a.

A bunch of times as I was a kid. A bunch of times. I haven't runs with the cops, lots, more than 100 times probably. And I know this is not one of the regular shit. So we're riding on the back of the car. And I kind of know where we are. It's like the other side of the city I grew up,

but I kind of know where I, because I had a girlfriend over there. So I literally see we drive past the police station. And at this point, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell's going on? And some months back or something, I have some friends that were beefing with a cartel. that is from the area that they were taking me. So I'm like, oh, they probably think that I'm from,

they probably think I'm associated with so-and-so, and they're beefing, and they're taking me over here. So I'm like, oh, man, like, you know, this is not good, not good at all. So, yeah, man, we go up a hill, and it's, like, dirt road and stuff. Like, it's just fucking, you could barely hear, like, cars and, like, people. And they park, cop gets off, and he starts talking to us, like, come on, just tell me, tell me who you guys are. Tell me what you guys are doing?

And we'll see how we can help you. And we're like, what are you talking about? You didn't catch us doing anything. Like, there's nothing you can catch us. We're like, we just had a pen. And my friend, I had like 300 bucks on me. My friend had the money he was going to pay a computer. So he's like, bro, I'll give you the computer money.

Just let me go. If it's for the wax pen, like, I don't want to just let me go. Like, you know. Yeah. But at this point, my friend was, he's active. The friend I was with, he works for this in the law. And he was active. He is active.

So he starts getting messages because he was, well, what I mean when he's active, because I don't want to get, there's all sorts of branches in the cartel. He's in charge of like setting up cars to cross the border. Okay. You know, he doesn't sell over here. He doesn't do anything. He just sets up cars over there and like that's his thing, you know. He's like the, what do you call? Like the Fright or like the U-Hao type.

Yeah, like the U-Ha. Transportation. Yeah, yeah. So he started getting messages of like some transportation. shit he was doing right now. I didn't know because I'm not, I'm not like asking like, hey, so what are you doing? How many? I don't care.

Like, it's just regular shit. So I just see him he's working. Whatever. So he started getting messages and the cops are seeing and he starts like, nah, you guys are not. Nobody's like, tell me what you guys do. And they have his phone. They got both of our phones.

And they haven't unblocked them yet. They just, they just seeing the tabs on the mess. But just from the tabs, he could see what the fuck was going on. Right. So he's like, come on, tell me. And then they have it like on her knees on the bed of the, of the, of the, pickup truck. So we're kind of like face to face with him.

Oh shit. And he, since he, they found his messages first, they're like, unblock it. And he has that face, uh,

um, his ID. Yeah, but the son was sitting him on his face. So he kept going like, oh, it's not working. Bam!

Just fucking a right hook. You sure it's not working. Come on. Like he, and before going. In the face. Yeah, he was just plugging him in the face.

But, and then my friend was like, before he unblocked. He was like, come on, help me out. I give you a thousand bucks. didn't catch me with anything. Why do you want to go through my phone? At this point, the

cops like, now, now I want to go through your phone. So we have to block our phones. Mine's digital, so they just put me, put the, the fucking half thumbprint, and that was a wrap. And, and like I said, I'm always careful. I was always erasing my messages, keeping everything clean. That's why I got him pulled over a few months before and I got away, like, clean because I didn't have anything on my phone. They went through my phone and I didn't have anything. but all this stuff that I was doing was like two days prior type thing and I was busy like going and coming and going to San Diego so in San Diego I don't have to worry about raising messages so somehow they were still there but it was funny because after this everybody was telling me bro you're always erasing messages yeah like you're literally forget what we're talking about because you raise the messages and pictures how the fuck did they get you and I was like bro we all have her fucking five minutes of superior like like everybody everybody like there's no way you're going to be I mean I've been in this and I've never had something like that this happened to me where I've done some like really big shit and stuff and this is the first time and I think I got away pretty lucky after this. Let me finish the story. So so yeah man they start

finding everything and by this time the local cops don't want nothing to do with us. They're like, oh you know what? They put me back in half cups and they're like and we're like so what's going to happen and they're like oh no you'll see what's going to happen. And I this point I'm like oh I'm dead. Like if they don't want to take the money they don't want to do like what the fuck we're dead. Why would they want to kill you though? Because I thought they were working. for the cartel that's beefing with my friends cartel. So I'm thinking there's some sort of confusion because... Oh, you thought that they knew that...

Yeah, because they took me to that area. The way it works over there, it's like certain sections, you know? Like, I'm by the beach. So most of the part by the beach is run by one people. And then next to the beach is by other people. And then over there away from, like, to the east, it's like other people. So like, let's say the guys from the beach are beefing with the guys from the east. And I'm over there.

And then all of a sudden they start taking me to, like, their main. main area, you know? Like, so I'm like, oh, fuck. And like I said, so like a few weeks before this, something big happened between them. And with people that, that, I know people from both sides. So like, at this point, like, my conscience is just betraying. I'm like, oh, fuck, this guy's thing.

You know, I'm in the middle of this or something. Right. And he didn't take the thousand bucks. He didn't arrest us. I'm like, what the fuck? Do you know? What else does he want? Like, everybody would take a thousand bucks just for a waxpin?

Like any car would take him, you know what I mean? So he just leaves us there, like, tied up on the back of the car for 30 minutes. I know this because my Google Maps, my locations is on. So afterwards, I looked at all the places I've been because they took me to, like, different places. And it tells you how long you were there. So I was there for like 30 minutes, the longest of my life, bro, to be honest, the longest. I was just thinking, I was, I was, what do you call? Like, when you, like, just accept this situation, I was like, I'm going to die.

like right now like they're gonna shoot me like and then i just started thinking like you had accepted yeah i just i was just making my mind of like well just for a little i always had this thing with death like i always like you know like i was trying to like understand it like i always had a problem like every time somebody dies it just hurts me like you know so i started working with like therapy and stuff like that just kind of like accepted somehow like you know and but it kind of helped me because it changed my the way i started i lived like that that's one of things that made me want to get away with it with get away from all the stuff because I was like I don't want to like I don't want my mom to remember me as this cartel friends guy that always did stupid shit you know

so I just went through a lot of shit like that and at this point I'm I feel like I've changed like I've done like I've done the music thing I've been with the music we we made it big with the music my friends he he went like for like star famous and I just keep working I I manage a group of rappers in the Pocos Locos collective I I do my writing. I started a podcast. So I'm, you know, I'm doing my other stuff. So at this point I'm thinking I'm going to die.

And I'm like, well, you know what, man? At least my mom's going to be like, well, at least he had a chance to fucking change. You know, at least I got a chance to see him in a different face, you know? Because if I would have died on my 20s, they would have just remembered me as this fucking, oh, yeah, he just fucking was up to no good, all this shit. But now I was like thinking, if I die now, there's going to be a whole different perspective with me. You know what I mean? Even my shit's going to be viral, you know?

even my, my, my, my, my social media stuff, they're going to be like, oh, because I'm pretty well-known out there. And now among some famous people and the streets. So I, I started like thinking about how you'd be remembered. Yeah, I just, I just started setting. I just started accepting. I was like, well, at least fucking, you know. And then it got to a place where I was just so calm, like, so, so, so calm. Like, I was impressed of how calm I was knowing or thinking that I was going to die because my friend was shit scared, bro. He was like, what are you going to happen to I didn't even want to tell. I was like,

you don't want to know what I'm thinking about. Like, they're calling somebody else to pick us up. I don't know who because that's what I care. It's crazy that this guy

was more freaked out and he's actually active. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 30 minutes go by, we seem like two or three hours and we start hearing

these tires again. It's a dirt road. So you hear like, and then we hear all doors open. The cops get out of the car too. So you guys are, at this point you guys are face down,

just in the back of the truck. Yeah, we're face down, tight up in the truck. And I hear, I'm wearing yellow sweatpants. So I hear the cops, the local cops tell the state cops. The one in yellow, not in the face because he's the U.S. They said that in Spanish. But this basically, they said, don't hit him in the face because he's a U.S. citizen.

They found my passport. So at this point I'm like, all right, I'm getting in the body and we're getting hit. That's one thing I know for certain, you know? They didn't say nothing about, I mean, they wouldn't be worried about hitting me in the face of what was going to die. So at this point, death is kind of like a little bit out the way, but still, that much, but you know, by the things that I kind of put together, I was like, okay, they're beating us up for something. Oh, I thought when you said it in the face, I thought you were meaning like shot in the face.

No, they meant don't hit them in the face. Got it. So that's when I was like, okay, death is not what's next. Maybe it is, but not right now. So right now is the beating, which is kind of worth like, shit, man, I mean, the shot to the head would would be. But you don't know what you're getting. So, yeah, they just come over.

They pull the door down or the bed of the truck. and we face up like this, you know, because we're all tired out and we're all scared and shit. So they look at us and at this point I know who it is because I see the state police uniform and the patrol. And they see my friend and they're like, and I don't think he meant it. He just wanted to hit him to make us know that they were for real because they didn't hit me in the face. And my face was the only thing available. So they looked at my friend. He's like, I've gotten you before.

Bam, bam! Bam! And they gave him a quick one too. And my friend's like, no, I've never been. Shut the fuck out. Bam, bam, bam. So they just drag us out the pickup truck. I barely stand on my feet because I had hurt my leg. I was doing a mural and I almost fell off the stairs.

So I landed a little bit back. So I was limping. So I was fucking trying to get in the other car that they were taking us. They put us in the other patrol car. Now they put us inside, not in the bed of the car. They put us inside, but with my head in between my knees and they just lifted out the like the handcuffs in the back. So we're literally like, you know, fancy shit. And they just keep hitting us on the way.

It's three cops. It's one next to me. And the backseat is my friend, me, and a cop, and two guys in the front, the driver and the boss. The boss was a co-pilot. I don't know if he was like a commander or something, but they kept calling him, A, commandante. That was the guy doing the orders. And they take us to another place, and they pulled me back in the back of the truck, and they just start. Interrogation starts, and they just start hitting us, man.

I mean, they start hitting me in the body, like in my legs, and my belly, my chest, the back of my neck, you know, my back. Places where you couldn't really tell that they were hitting me, but it just fucking hurts. And my friends, and I guess they were asking me some stuff, but they didn't really, we had some, they were, they didn't know how deep we were, to be honest. We found this out later when they kind of like lower down their attitude. But they just start finding all kinds of shit. my messages, man, because I didn't erase a lot of shit.

And they were actually playing like, fuck man, I have his friend. He's in jail right now, but he used to tell me every time he killed somebody. Every time he would send me audios while he was shooting people sometimes. Like on Messenger, he was like, hey, I'm about to do a job right now. These fools, they'll be fucking up, whatever. And I was like, damn, I just like kept going like, oh, dang, you're crazy, whatever, this and that. And then on audio like, look, look, look. Hey, hey, look.

like you hear shit in the audio like that so I had an audio like that and while it was playing I tried talking to the car so he went listening I was like hey hey no but let me tell you something you know I try to like fucking come up with something and he's like holding my phone like trying to hear and it was and I tripped out at then because he didn't say anything about he kind of like he was like what the fuck but he tripped out on the guns because there was more like I had this conversation

let's say like you you have cameras and then let's say one day I'm driving by out here and I see cops outside of your house and I show you a video. I'm like, hey, what's up with all this cops? That's out of your house. And then you show me a video inside the cameras and you're like, nah, I'm watching everything. It's all good.

So they see that. So they know exactly where it is because they got a video of the outside and they got a video of the inside of the house. And that's the guy that was buying me the guns. So they, and I didn't, there was all this miscommiss. The cops actually told the cartel that I snitched on them. They're trying to get me in trouble with them. but the point is they found

this on my messages and stuff like that and they were like, oh, who is this guy? I was like, I don't know, I never met him because in the messages, there was like a middle guy like I was telling you, like the middleman. I wasn't really sometimes not even seen the guns, but I have pictures of them. And the ones I had, I have pictures of them with this hand

so my tattoos were showing so I couldn't really say it wasn't me because it was like, let me see. And then they grabbed my hand. Oh, that's you. Bam, pan, they just start hitting the wrist. Because I wasn't admitting to anything. Like they just kept back in my like, no, no.

And then they, what are you saying no, but like, what the fuck? I'm not going to say yet. Like, what the fuck? And so, yeah, they found this stuff and they wanted me to take him to that house. And I just kept saying no. I was like, no, I guess I don't know who he lives, but whatever. And they put the bag on my face. They actually took it from my friend because he was inside getting tortured and stuff.

So I seen how one cop. That's how I know it was too calm. The cop was like, nah, he's too calm, bro. Like, he's too, like, he's too chill. Like, fuck that. He went inside. He grabbed the bag from my friend's head, went outside and put it over my head just so, like, so I knew it was real. But at this point, I don't know how it was a calm.

I thought, like, inside it was shit-skirt, but I guess I wasn't showing it. And because I thought I was just like, I was, like, calm. But I was like, nah, fuck that. I wouldn't do shit to him, you know? And they put the bag over my head for a few seconds. And I just kept saying, like, I don't know, bro. Like, that's the only thing. You've seen the conversation.

That's the only thing I know. So. What would they assume? from you being so calm that you were just like, you've been through this before, you were, you were, you were, yeah, they thought I was just way too used to this. They thought I was way too used to this, that I was well protected, that I was like, you know.

If the situation to come across where they had actually captured a guy who was a cartel and was not afraid of getting, getting killed and knew that, like, there would be repercussions. Yeah, yeah, but. That guy would not show any sort of fear. Well, maybe, well, it depends what kind of cartel, like, like my friend, he doesn't get violent. He's not a violent person. He's cartel because he moves stuff.

works for them, but he's not a violent person. So he was scared. He was like, no, just let me go. I want to see my kid. You know, he was begging for his life and shit. The first thing I thought about was like that video of a video, the first video of a video getting raided. And he like comes out, he walks out. He's on his phone. He's like, hold on and make a phone call. He was like, so calm. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, that's kind of like, like, that's added to that most people have. But, but if you're like, like, my friend, he's just like a real family dude, you know?

So he's more of a, he was really nervous. He was like, yeah. But, but like on some. Like, I'm, you know, I kind of grow up more of a violent in my room, I wouldn't say. And I do have my runners with cops since I was young, like just a lot because I always dress like baggy and stuff like that. I always look suspicious type. I was always getting thrown in jewelry. They take you over there for like, no, overnight shit, you know, if you're walking late or whatever, for whatever reason that would take me. So I knew a little bit, but I still get scared, bro. Like, don't get me wrong.

Like, I still don't want to deal with. I'm always nice to though. I'm never like, I'm never like on my brabado type. I'm always like, hey, officer, you know, I'm, like, I'm doing good, like, whatever. I don't have a license, but I don't have any drug, you know, like, I try to play cool. And, but these guys, they were just, like, on it. They didn't want no fucking nice part of it. They were like, no, no, no, so, so yeah, they're looking at me.

They're like, no, you're too calm, whatever this and that. They put it back over my head. They find this stuff. And eventually they just started asking me about, like, all right, just give me a house, give me a name, something. I was like, bro, I'll give you my gun. I don't want to, like, I don't have nobody else to snitch on. Like, I'll give you my shit. Like, I'll give you my gun. It's in my house. Let's go get it. Like, you don't even have to, like, radio. Like, literally somebody can go out there and give it to you. Like, that's the only thing I have. And at this point, they start getting calls because one of the cops

took a picture of me. When they found the houses and when they found the pictures, one of the guys took a picture of me. Apparently, he is connected with all. My friends cartel. Sinola. No, no, Tijuana. Okay. No, not the friend I was with. Oh, my other friends.

Got it. So apparently, yeah, he shoots. They got this, like, telegram and apps like that where they got the whole group in there. And you shoot a picture and like, hey, anybody know this guy? Because he's niching on so and so. So the cops have some sort of a telegram channel connected to these cartels. Yeah, there's always like in the group of cops, there's always one or two that are in groups to stay connected with the, with the cartels, whatever, whichever they're working on.

For example, like in case they kidnap somebody who's part of the cartel, just they want to make sure they don't get in trouble. For instance, I would have been a son of somebody in porn or something like that, you know, they would have been, and I didn't tell them because, because like, even like when you brag about being somebody, that's not well looked upon, you know, unless you're like really, really somebody, be like, hey, I'm this guy, like, don't fuck with me. But at that point, they know, you know. But when you're, like, coming up or when you're like, we're not even like a real member,

Like, I was nothing. You can't really be like, hey, you know who I am. Like, you know, that's not even the attitude. Especially if you want to, I've always been a negotiator type. Like, I don't get crazy sometimes, but with the cops, I'm always negotiating because you're not going to beat them. You're never going to beat them. So it's better to negotiate and be friends with them and be on the goods.

So, yeah, I mean, at this point, yeah, one of the cops takes a picture of me. I didn't realize, but I was handcuffed. Takes a picture of me and sends it to the group. And everybody knows me because he sends it to my friend's group. and once everybody starts like hey what's up like why you get him like because i'm not involved in you know what i mean i'm like i'm like super like third party such so everybody's mostly like surprised that they have me there and tied up and and saying that i snits so now they're like they're calling the calls they're like hey what's up with my boy you know what do you need

for for him to let him go like so now they start getting calls from uh sinalo too because my friend he's connected too so i guess they send a picture too of him to the other group So now they got these guys looking for us. And at first, nobody knew, like, they had us, you know? Because they just caught us, like, in a swat me, like some random shit. But now they actually made everybody know. So now they just want to hurry up. They're like, okay, so what are you going to give me?

And I was like, like, like I said, I got my gun in my house. I'll give you that. How are you going to do it? I was like, well, my friend, he's a psychologist. He lives right in front of my house. He's my childhood. He does not have nothing to do with it. And he knows my family.

I can tell him, go in, get it. He'll bring it back out to you. You guys don't have, like, my grandma lives there. Like, I was in T.J. I was like, it's my grandma's house. It's all family. Like, you don't, there's no need, bro. Like, there's just a wait of time if you break into my house.

Like, I literally just will give you what I have. And they're like, all right, call your friend and tell him to get the gun ready and take it to the oxo, you know, or 7-11. And so I'm doing this negotiation. My friend is doing another negotiation with the ones he's dealing with. They're asking him for $3,000. After all of the shit they saw on her phones, they only want my gun and $3,000. thousand dollars well at this point we weren't together so we didn't know but i was like damn they only want my gun i was like they were asking me for all of these kinds of information and shit and now they

only want my gun i was like okay you know you know what's going on so okay so we we we come to an arrangement i'm gonna give them their gun and they're gonna let me go so they put me in okay they put us back in the in the car you know same again uh uh head between the knee uh knees hands behind your back and it's a long drive because i live on the all the way to other side and So we're just driving And they keep going through my phone And they're like So why you got a podcast

What's up with all these pictures Well these famous people And stuff like that Well I do I've been telling you Like because I've been telling you I've been telling you I do music Like I do this and that

And I got a podcast And you know what You should come too You know you should come and let's talk about this At the podcast I'm tight up bro I'm like my head between my knees And shit

In the back of the patrol car And we're having like a little five minutes Of bonding you know Like they're forgetting I'm arrested I'm forgetting I'm a victim And we're just talking about like podcasting.

We're talking about El Calderon. Shout us to Ed. I don't know personally, but I was telling him like, hey, you ever seen this guy? Ed Calderon? He's like,

because they, oh, okay, just going back. They saw pictures of Gordo Villarral, the one I was mentioning. And he goes way back. So the guy in charge,

the cop, he's like, hey, what do you have pictures with him for? Like, what the fuck is he up to nowadays? And I was like, what do you mean?

Like, you know, he's like, I used to chase him back in the day. Like, I'm from, he mentioned Ed's team. he's like I'm from I'm from the team of Lizaola typing whatever I used to change all these motherfuckers whatever and I'm like and I like you should come and talk about this bro like I'm like

I interview Gordon he's still in prison but you should come and talk about this and that that's where I was like you know Ed Calderon he's like now what the fuck is that I was like what you mean you know Ed's color and I was like and the guy had my phone the guy next time was like hey can you pull up the Instagram he's like what do I type I was like can you type it's manifesto he's like how the fuck you type that I was like put it on my put her on my head so I fucking I type it from and they're going through Ed's. I actually texted, I don't know it, I never talked to him, but I actually texted this to his Instagram to tell him the story.

They're actually going through his Instagram while we're tied up and we're driving to one of the houses going through it. And they're like, nah, man, he's a phony. I never seen him. I was like, nah, man, I think he's the real deal. He's like, man, all these people coming out. If I were coming to your podcast and I told the stories, man, I would be giving a real thing.

I was like, well, what so? You know, when should we do it? And they were just, they were not going for it because like I said, there was only like five to ten minutes of bonding after we started getting close to I thought we were going to my house. When they made me look up, we were outside my friend's house. The pictures they found were outside of the house.

So at this point I was like, oh yeah, we're bonding. We're just going to my house. I'm going to give them the gun. They're going to let me go. So I was like, hey, all right, shut the fuck up. Now they slide me in the bag and he's like, Landta la Cabeza. So I look up and I was like, oh shit.

And I see my homies block. And I'm like, I don't know what house it is. And they're like, no, bullshit, what house it is? I was like, I don't know. Like, you've seen in the pictures. Like, I just drove through the box. I don't know. I just know because he sends me pictures of his inside of the cameras, but I don't know what house it is.

And the same cop that took a picture of me, he was a driver. He looked and he was like, well, that's the only house with cameras. So he took a picture of the house with cameras. And he sent it to the text again. And he sent it to the group. And he was like, he snitching on this house. I don't know this. They told me this afterwards.

But he's like, hey, he snitching on this house. and that's like oh no no no no that's that's one of our houses like don't don't don't fucking go in whatever this and that and i didn't like they would have gone in if i would have told him like hey that's his house shits in there whatever they would have gone in bro before even like texting the house but since i didn't want to give it up i guess the cop kind of like he was like i'll like me ask first i guess i don't know but once he asked they were like no no no not that house so they didn't go in the house and after that just they just busted a u-turn and they took me to my house So now we're getting to my block

I call my friend I'm outside up I'm like hey What you're doing He's like Oh no man I'm just on my way to oxo Get me a beer you won't

Like can I drink it at you Because they drink it In my I got a little In my studio It's like a spot It's like right here They come in and chill They like to drink beers

I don't drink But I let them drink In my house And I smoke So he's like Hey I'm on my way to get a beer Can I drink it at your house You at your house?

I was like Not not yet man But I need a real big favor From you He's like What was going on I was like Can you grab my gun?

It's in my purse in one of my baggies and just take it all. So I'll pick it there. I'll pick it up there. He's like, hey, dog, everything cool. I was like, yeah, yeah, just handle bro. Like, it's real serious, bro. Don't fuck it up. And he's like, yeah, yeah, no worries.

But he's like, he's like, whatever. I'm just going to give my friend. Like, that's what I was telling you before. He's in the middle of something. But we're so, we're so used to like this life. It's nothing. Like, I could have asked him for my jacket. You know, it was the same shit.

You know what I mean? So, so he, he. He gets that shit. We're parked like a block away. And we're seeing my friend go from his house to my house, get the bag, go in his car and drive to the oxo. That's two blocks away. So he's like, that's him, right. The cops are like, that's him.

I was like, yeah, yeah, that's him. So, boom, they go. And they pull up home and they act like they are, like, are arresting him. Like, they get him off the car and he's scared. He's like, what the fuck? And he's thinking that I snitched on him. Because later on, he's like, bro, I thought you snitched him. I was like, bro, you're fucking psychologist.

You were just giving me my, like, how am I? He's like, no, listen. He was like that friend that thinks he was in the middle, like a big ass fucking, yeah. He was like, nah, man. But then after a while, he's like, he was just fucking around. But at this point, he's thinking like, I fucking called the cops around or something. So they take the gun from them. They search and whatever.

They get the gun. And one of the cops is like, hey, man, don't be hanging out with the wrong crowd. This is what you get for hanging out with friends like this. Don't be hanging out with this kind of friends. You're a good guy, bro. Like, he starts to give him a lesson. But then they get in the patrol car again. And they just start acting like they just robbed somebody.

Like, go, go, go, go, go, go. And the guy is driving. And like, go this way. Go this way. No, no, no. I know this road over here. There's a lot of cops over here. Go this way.

And I'm like, what the fuck? We're in the patrol car. Like, running away from the cops. Like, damn. So now we're going to my friend's house because he lives all the way on the other side of the city. He promised them $3,000. At this point, I don't know, but that's what he told me. So we go.

We meet his mom at a public place like a Carr Jr. something. And the lady hands over the money and they let my friend go. So the guy in the back, he kind of actually like, I think he follows me on next to him because he was asking me like my social media and I think follows me. He was like, hey, so we're going to let him go too, right? Asking about me. I'm all tied up and shit. And one of the cops is like, no, no, not yet. And I was like, whoa, like, whoa, bro. Like, you got my gun. You got the money. Like, what do you mean? Not yet, you know? And they just close the doors. They get in the car and they just drive off. And I'm like, what?

And then they took me to this, like, little industrial blocks. And they just like, get the fuck out of the car and don't look back. Don't look back. Don't look back. Don't look back. Don't look back. Walk straight. And I'm like, bro, I don't fucking want, like, I just want to go home at this point. Like, you got my shit. Like, I don't want to.

They were scared. They kept telling me, like, on my way, on, on, when they were going to drop me out, they kept saying, like, hey, bro, remember, I'm doing your favor. Don't go up. Don't go crying to, you know, to you know who. I was like, nah, I'm like. bro, I'm straight, like, just let me go. He's like, nah, no, no, we've caught many people like you.

And I help him out. He was like, look at this fucking sight. He's like, I help him out. And then they go and tell the guys, the bosses. And now I get shit. So like you, I caught you slipping today. I'm going to let you go with some money. And that's it.

Be like, take it as a man. And he was kind of right. You know, I was fucking up. I was doing shady shit, you know. I should have been arrested. But the streets and TJ is different. So I didn't get arrested. He let me go home.

and they took my gun from me. So it's even, you know what I mean? But I can sense his, he was scared, you know? Like, maybe not scared of me, but of a backlash of some stuff because all the people that just were like, hey, I know him, I know him. So he was like, don't go tell him, like, don't go crying to them, you know?

And I'm like, bro, I don't fucking want nothing. I just want to go home or no smoking joint and be with my fucking dog, you know what I mean? So, so yeah, they just dropped me up at an industrial complex. And they gave me my shit back and they just drive off. And I was already fucked up on my leg. So now I'm limping, like, for real. My ribs hurt, my knees and shit.

And I get my phone now. And the first thing I do, I get the Google Maps out and see what the fuck I am because I don't know where I am. I'm like, all right, I'm in the other side of the fucking city. So then my friend calls me the one that they should. He's like, hey, where are you? I'll pick you out right now. And I'd send him my location. He picks me up.

And on my way to his house, I'm checking my phone. there's just all kinds of messages, man. Like, hey, what happened? What are you doing? And one of the guys I trust the most, he used to be a military. He used to be, what do you say? How do you say?

Teniente in English? Like, lieutenant maybe? Something like that. Okay, yeah, yeah. Something like that. He used to be, yeah. But now he became a personal security guard. Like, you could hire, like,

you know how you hire ex-military and shit? But a lot of cartel people hired that type of security guard, too. So he got to. connected that way with them. So he has communication. He doesn't work with them or anything, but he has good, they respect them. And he has good communication. So he was telling me, he's like, hey, this is the word that's going around that you snitch

on this guy and you better fix that shit because, you know, so I'm like, what the fuck? I'm thinking like, okay, I got off my shit. Like, finally they let me go, whatever. And now I got handled with all this fucking pressure from the cartel and shit like that. Because the cops say you snatched. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's why, what happened? Like, why are they tripping?

He's like, well, no, they're saying that that you took him to this was house. I was like, if I would have said the shit was in there, they would have broken in because one time it happened to me. They caught my friend. They found pictures of shit I had in my house. And he said they were in my house. And they broke into my house and they took him. So I was like, if I would have said that they would have did the same shit. Like it's exactly the same case.

I was like, I didn't, I didn't say anything. I mean, that's why I got the fucking bag on my head. You know what I mean? Like. And so these days, probably week, we're going to have good by of just negotiations of just. Trying to convince them and trying to like, because they were like, nah, the cop told me, bro. Like, I don't know. Why would he lie to me?

I was like, why would I fucking lie to you? He was like, well, because I could kill you. And I was like, nah, but I'm like, you know, so eventually like the guy, the house they showed up to the guy, he's actually my friend. Like, it's not only a business. He was actually my friend. So, so eventually he's like, ah, you know what, but I believe you, bro. Like, like, I know I was stripping at first, whatever.

But like, and like, I was tripping when somebody's niche to me. Like, I feel you, bro. Like, I know I've been in your shoes before. But this time, that wasn't it. Like, that's why they didn't bring into your house. Otherwise, they would have just gone in, burst it in. Like, they always do, you know. But I didn't say anything.

Like, whatever they found, I know I fucked up because I didn't raise the messages. You know, everybody even like, like the boss, I don't want to say the name, but like the real head of the cartel right now, he's like, hey, no sas pendejo, borrame and say, it's like, come on, don't be stupid. Erase the messages next time. And it's funny because, like I said, everybody knows like, bro, you always erase the messages. Like, what happened that day?

The cartel told you that? Yeah, because he was in the group when they asked for me. And I've met him like a couple of times. I shook his hand before and we've been like at the party. And I know people that work from. I know a lot of people that work from. So it's just this like familiarity of like like he probably said he knew me, but he doesn't really know me. No, he's like, oh yeah, I know him.

Like, you know, that type of thing. But yeah, like people next to him know me. People like on the same level of him know me too. so I was kind of like protected, I could say, from that occasion. But at the same time, I'm now on like, okay,

we backed you up, but now you got to respond to us for what the fuck happened. But at the same time, I was like, what am I responding to? You guys didn't get anything confidence getting,

your houses didn't get raided. Like, nothing happened to you guys. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the one that paid for my shit. I gave him my gun. Like, I'm the one that got beat up,

you know? So yeah, eventually, it was just like a little tension in the first couple of days. And then now I'm cool with my friend, you know, like, I know a motherfucker that kill fools like years later.

So I'm just going to trust you. And, you know, like, and I know that we're cool. But nah, no, like, I trust him. And I know he understood this situation and what happened. Like I said, man, the good thing is that I never get in trouble. Like the cartoon never had to do this type of things for me. Like, it's not like, oh, they always got to be answering. You know, it's never.

That's why when the one and only time happened, they were like, wait, wait, what the fuck? Like, why you have him for? Like, you know what I mean? So it seems like the cops are making shit worse down there. Yeah. They kind of are because. It seems so backwards, but it seems like it's true. It seems like if they weren't there, there wouldn't be all this fucking bullshit happening.

Yeah. And the thing is, back then, we were talking about, you know, Ramon and them, they used to have, they used to be very violent with the cops. Like back then, bro, like, even when I was like 17 coming up, you could like literally be drinking in your car, whatever. If the local cops pulled you over, you would be like, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Like, let me the fuck go. You could be like a fucking pain in the asphalt and they would have to bow their heads out because

they were like they were terrified they were terrified as a cartel and like uh i don't know if i told you this over the phone what time i was like yeah like 17 18 and i was with one of my i was with with him one of my friends that passed away and he was very well connected as we were young and um they pulled us over we're on our way uh to deliver some he used to sell uh coke like he used to sell like eights and stuff like that and we just on our way to deliver i was with him on a way to deliver and we got pulled over by like two um local cops and and he was trying like you know i I feel like he was one of the good cops. He was just surrounded by guys that weren't backing a little.

But he seemed like one of the good cups because he wasn't backing down. My friends was telling him, like, hey, I work for such and such. Like, you should just let me go. Like, we're being nice. He's like, hey, I work for such and such. I'm just on my way to do something. Let me go. Like, you know, I'll give you 15, 10 bucks back then.

It was like 20 bucks, like the rate, you know, for just getting pulled over. You should be like, hey, I got pulled over. Oh, just give him something or buy them. some, so, so, like, da'all de la cokas,

you know, d'allel pa las cocas, you know? Usually like, 20 bucks, you know, whatever you have something. So we're trying to get away with that, and the car was like, nah,

no, no, whatever, he was like, standing his ground. So my friend called his boss and he's like, and his boss is like, hey, hand him over the phone, tell him to answer the phone.

And the car was like, now I'm not talking to anybody. And back then it was like, oh, you know? And so my friend's like, hey, he said he's not picking up the phone. So my friend's like, So his boss was like, oh, what?

Give me the patrol number. So we look back. He's like, all right, P, 291, whatever. He hangs up probably like a minute and, hey, and they called him on his walking. They're like, you better let my nephew go right to fuck now. I didn't hear the rest. I'm guessing you know what they said. But the cop came back.

He's like, hey, why didn't you tell me you work for such and such? We told you, but we looked young. Like, if I, I look young at 18, 18. I always looked like the youngest. So we looked like two kids, you know, trying to play hard. But we were the real, like my friend was connected, you know? So he didn't believe us. So he was like, why don't you tell me you guys work for such?

And my friend's like, I told you. He's like, oh, man, you just got me in trouble, whatever. Like, bro, I told you. Like, I wasn't even trying to get you in trouble. It's just trying to get on my way. That's how the local police cops used to be treated back then. Now it's just like, well, what I was saying is back then, they used to keep them in line with,

the narcos used to make way. more money than what they do now like what the buses do now so they had just way more power where they like would just buy the whole police and they could kill like like police bosses you know and police chiefs they make that kind of money anymore because it it it used to be a one organization but now it's all broken up now you got three cartels right if they work together they could they could become what what it used to be but it's not that's not the thing anymore not even in sin a law like everybody all the big organizations like what you see in narcos and all that broke down and everybody just starts, it just keeps branching out, you know? Every time they catch someone, two guys come out every time they catch them.

Which makes it worse, makes the situation way worse, way more violent. Yeah, and it also, but it makes it violent amongst them because now, like, nobody wants to kill cops because it's too much cheap. It draws too much heat, so nobody wants to fuck with the cops. They're shooting some, like, the ones that they killed recently, like from, I don't know, like seven years from, yeah, probably like seven years now. they kill them because they've been stealing they've been you know they've been messing with the cartel but back then they used to kill

guys that didn't that like didn't want you know platto plomo remember that like yeah they work for us or that well back then they used to do that and that that's how they ran the police like that's how the police will bow down to them right now nobody wants to kill police and I'm not saying they should but right now nobody wants to do that kind

activity because it creates heat and they they can't they they're trying to worry about more as business men to make money and the guys that are fighting the guys that is violent and everything are the guys that are fighting the little drug houses where they sell meth and usually in those houses

they sell like their biggest income is meth but they sell like little reggie they sell pills they sell like yo can you turn that back on awesome shit's fucking loud it's what's the difference from wholesale wholesale and wholesale retail retail yeah it's like little retails

like the retail those are the ones that are killing every day because that's like gang violence. That's like one block is run by Sinaloa or another block is run by Halisco and like the other two blocks are run by Tijuana and then like the blocks in front of it it's all Sinaloa. So it's just like gang fights. It's just like crips and bloods. And that's the one section of the cartel fighting. They have power over police too because the bosses of certain areas they also pick up. So like like recently they had this this other cartel trying to come in where where I'm from in T. To this area where the same.

same people have ruled for like years. And now they're, like, many people are trying to come and take their stuff, but they're always like, they're always standing the ground. And so some guys actually opened a little retail trap house in one of their blocks and the state police showed up. And they went in there, they took everything and they left two their bodies outside. And I only know this because a big deal, it was right next to my friend's house. Like three different friends live in that block because this is a close street.

It's a no outless street. So they all know each other. It's like a little, they always hanging out together. So they know everybody. So this happened. And now the, the owners, like the owners of that turf, they went back and they're like, hey, we want to see the cameras of your house because we want to see what cops did this. So my friend, my friend doesn't want to be in the middle of it.

He doesn't want to, like, you know, so he just, he didn't want to show, like, he didn't want to give up the camera. the videos so they drowned and they were going to kill him so he had to move he had to leave his house because there's this war going on in his fucking neighborhood and his cameras got what happened and now you know and uh and that's the section of the retailing trap houses part of the cartel that's that's the most violent the guys that work wholesale um it's very well known when one of them dies because most of them are pretty chill you see them out in clubbing you see them out they're like businessmen and they're like You see them in parties.

You know, you know they're the bosses. Yeah. But they're not in like... They're more businessmen. Yeah, they're more businessmen. So when one of them dies, you're like, oh, shit. Like, that fool, like, either became a snitch for the DA or he was, he stole from somebody. He switched cards.

Like, you know, like something out of that sort. But all the other, like, 10 killings you see during the day, all the other 20 Joe's, the hearticle John Doe's that you see. That's just meth heads. That's just, um, yeah. Friends of meth heads, you know. Junkies. Yeah, junkies. And a lot of innocent people, too, man.

A lot of innocent. I know when T.J. When somebody dies, it's very well known that, oh, he must have been in, you know, something. But now, man, many people, like, I was telling you, like, it's like, if we're just having lunch and we're just friends, maybe we just met a war. Like, I got to tell me he used to play soccer, but he was involved with the cartel. And he was with other, with a soccer player celebrating after, and they just came and shot up the place. You know, and it's this place where, like, bro, you know, who shot up the place? They were going to get one of them, the cartel guy.

Yeah. But he was celebrate with the soccer team. So they just showed up to the shot the whole place. And just shot at the whole place. And that's how many innocent people die. And they're not involved. Like, how do you, like, if you're in a soccer team and a cartel member, do you just like, oh, you know what?

I don't want to be in the soccer team because he's playing. Do you really do that? Like, really, do you really do that? Not really, man. You know, your first thought is going to be, well, I never see this guy. I don't hang out with him. I only see him in soccer play. So whatever, you know?

Well, also, Luis was telling him. me that when they raided Ovidio's house that the army killed tons, like not tons, but there was a lot of civilians who got shot and killed during that whole shootout. And they, and apparently from what I understood is that they captured Ovidio, like they had some paramilitary guys come in in a helicopter, take Ovidio out, and then they started the big fucking gunfight. And if you hear the radio frequencies, you could hear when they're like, hey, we're getting rated by the white people or like the Weros, you know, like, They're, yeah, well, they're actually reporting,

because, you know, they use Mexican military too, but they also, white people, like, the agents, they do operate. It's so well known that they mention it in Corridos. And their own Corridos, like when they're bragging about stuff and anything, there's this couple lines where they're like, oh, yeah, we're looking up for the Marines, but also those undercover DA Marines, those DA that dressed as Marines, yeah, we see you, we know you're there. You know, they say there's lines like this in their Corrido.

So it's well known, man, because they're patrolling the streets and they're pulling people over. And if they pull somebody over and they don't find anything, let's say they pull me over and they don't find anything on me. But I see that some of them are white. You know, some of them aren't speaking well-good Spanish. So I go and they let me go. So I tell my friends like, hey, there was white people with them, you know. So this word just starts spreading around so much. They see them so much that now they recognize them, you know?

So in the frequencies, the radio frequencies that they get on the social media, you could hear them saying, we're getting ridden by the wheres nos calliero in a video like you know they're getting a video so you know it's stuff like that that's not mentioned as well as the people that died you know like I was saying earlier like when they're gonna

when they want to clean something you know it's kind of hard to pick and choose who's guilty and who's not because like I said it's not certain type of people you know it's not like oh only these guys are like only the guys are dressed like these are nah man like especially in those real areas where

look man all these rural areas in Mexico they have this dark they never had a good relationship with the military if you go back to like the days of the revolution and stuff like that they were always fighting the military it's always the military against this the countryside people because they're forgotten

you know the government doesn't do anything to so this this hate doesn't come from like the narcos you know it's been it's just been boiling through generations generations so these people obviously are going to back up their local, you know, in this case, Ovidio or Chapo. So, you as a cop, you're going in them and tell you that the whole town is against you.

So, like, I mean, I'm not saying they did it on purpose, but if you're fucking shooting and adrenaline and then you see a couple of kids, guys running somewhere, fucking shoot them too, you know? Maybe they were just trying to get away. Right. Because if you see the shootout, they're shooting in the middle of the town. It's not like, I mean, it is in the outskirts, it is a rural area, but it's still a lot of houses and a lot of families and a lot of stuff.

It's still like a neighborhood, you know what I mean? So the military has this rep of like just picking up the dead and disappearing. You know, even in this started happening when they have this big shootouts back in like 2009, 2010, when this big shootout started happening when they're like everything became militarized, you know, like the setas and all the stuff. And it was funny because you would see these news where it was like 14 cicari killed, one arrested, and one military injured in the leg. You're like, really?

Like, nobody gave up. Like, you killed the first two guys and nobody gave up, and then stories started coming out. Like, they were just killing them. They weren't arresting them because they were eventually going to go by the judges. So after the shootout, they just killed everybody. Even the guys that were begging for their lives, or, you know, they're crawling.

They were just shoot everybody. And it's common sense. Like, there's no way the 15 cicarios, fought to death, you know, at least there's going to be five that it's going to be like, you know what, fuck this, you know, like, fuck that, you know, that's human nature, you know? So it just, if you, like I said, yeah,

I've always read news and stuff like that. I've always been on point with that. So you started seeing all these stories, and I asked my military friends, I was like, this is military propaganda. You can't really say that how many military men are actually injured, right? He's like, nah, man, the lieutenant, he's like, because if we do, we lower the morale on the,

on other places and they're going to think that we're losing. Like there were some places where like it was only main news that military died because the cartel would leave like stacks of bodies in a very well-known road where it made it like fucking like obvious. Like you can't hide that that you guys are taking, you know, a death too, you know? So I asked my friend, he's like, yeah, we can't really, what is it? Like, the void or we can really say, we kind of hide that information because we don't want to lower the morals or the troops that are actually fighting out there, you know?

and because it seemed illogical that you know like only one military hurt in the leg i mean i know cicarius can't shoot but you know like i would expect to a few more especially when they're like getting ambushed like sometimes military will be like parked in a gas station and then bam another convoy of cars just pulled up and started shooting at them and then it hit nobody like really right you know what i mean so what you're saying well what sort of plan is there what is the president of mexico talking about when it comes to trying to eradicate the violence between all these cartels like what what do they say they want to do like what is their plan and what is actually being done and do you think any of this shit will work do you see any end to this i have a lot of friends

not only the cartel bro i have friends in politics i have a lot of reporter friends a lot like i like all that stuff but uh what i what i've seen with this government anything they they they will hit You know his slogan, right? With the hugs not drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hugs not bullets. Abrazos, no balazos. He's kind of stand on it, to be honest, because the cops are crazy.

Like I was telling you my city, they're just taking advantage of like, of the situation, you know? They're, most of these, maybe even in Senaloa, like the bosses right now, they've been bosses for like 10 plus years now. they haven't had no like attempts you usually used to read about oh they were close to el mio oh they almost caught a chop oh he got away or or whoever was but the guys that've been here for like the last 10 years yeah they've been they've been like you see them at parties i see them at parties i've seen them like and and but why why ovidio why do they get him i think my my hypothesis on that from the different information I gather is that you know how they they say they stumbled upon him they didn't know they were going to get him the first time they got him like when they ran into him

I think this is it's version where he's like when they get him they're like oh shit they didn't know it was him you know but sucks for him but now they know who he is and now he well the fact that they the whole thing happened how they took him away from the government because it was public they had to admit they now like if he would have been arrested that day he would he would he would would have probably made it like with money, you know, probably bribing a judge. He probably would have gone out because he wasn't that big. He wasn't that known. Like his brothers are like in the most wanted, you know, cartels and stuff like that.

But he wasn't really that much. Like he's well known among the things. But it's different to like there's a lot of narcos that are not in the most wanted list that are big narcos. We said that Ovidia was like the one son of El Chapo who El Chapo didn't want him to be in like the cartel business. He kind of like tried to shade him from that. Well, they have many sons like that. They have other kids that are not known. They have other.

Oh, really? They become known once they go to the dark side. But there's people, like I was saying, in the Ariana family too. There's brothers that never. There's actually one that I believe he's in the Vatican. That he's a priest. What? Yeah, you should look into it.

There's one that's real. That's why when the whole, what the whole thing happened with the cardinal and stuff like that, they actually were getting a little bit of backup from the church. And I mean from like the church, not like the church. like local churches, you know? Because they were wealthy family. You know how wealth and church is always like, you know? Yeah.

So they were always that family. And yeah, man, one of the brothers, I believe, he's, I think he's in the Vatican. I think he's a priest. So, yeah, I mean, many members of these families, they're not known. They become known once they do something, like a video, once he start doing, like, the social media and stuff like that, they start getting known. But there's, Chapo, how many sons do you think he has? You know, he's just fucking, he was just fucking all these, like, very,

virgins and shit, you know, like, fucking, and it's like a prideful thing for, like, you know, older generations to, like, get like these, like, virgins, you know? That's why he's, you know, like, some of his last wife is younger than his, than his older son, I think, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Someone was just telling me about that. And as well as Pablo was like a sick fuck like that too. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he, his wife was super young and married her and he, she was pregnant when she was like, like 13 or something. And that's, that's, that. That's, that. That actually goes a lot in the country over there. And it's not like, I'm not trying to justify them, but actually girls like want to, you know, like girls look for these guys. Like if a chap was hosting a party, all the little girls be like, oh, let's go and see if he fucking marries me or some shit. You know, they actually like, and then it's all glorified in agriculture and stuff. So it makes it like, it makes it for them to think it's okay. You know what I mean? Well, they're just looking for opportunity, right?

Yeah, but it's also also this old school way of like getting young girls. Like, because it's not even the narcos. Like, nobody's, like, nobody's are getting, like, young girls too, and young girls are getting older guys. It's like, it's weird, you know what I mean? It's like, you know how they back then they wanted like boys go to work and girls get married. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's kind of the thing in those areas.

It's country, bro. It's not, it's not like, you know, they got people that come and go to the city and that've been out. But it's, it's very, it's very countryish, you know. It's very, well, yeah, it's a rural area, you know, old school ways. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, once they start getting known, it's because they jumped in the dark. So, like I was saying, you know, the oldest son, Ivan? He's been into the life since he was really young.

Like, I don't think he ever wanted to be like, I don't know, but I don't think he ever wanted to be like a straight-up kid or nothing. Because him and El Mio's older son, they were like the, they were basically, I feel like they were teaching them to take over the business. You know what I mean? That's why they got so powerful. Like Ivan is very powerful. And Elmaius son, the one that became an informant, he was very powerful too. And there's sometimes where people take charge that you're like, yeah, people don't respect him. He's in charge, but people don't respect him much.

Well, these guys, they are. They are loved. They like them, you know, they're more like. So they got the whole thing to be the boss. So like him, he's always been in the spotlight because since he was young, he was the son of El Chapo. He's the oldest, you know. He's known in Kuleakan, the fucking Ferraris and everything. And eventually he went to jail for a couple years, I think.

And then he got out and he's never been arrested since. And he got out in like, I want to say like 2007 or something like that, 2006. He was in a crash, a car accident and something like that. And he did like three years. And they say that, oh, okay, I remember how these stories connect. They said in the streets that, you know how Chapo went to war with this? cousins, the Bertrand, Bertrand Leva,

I don't know, have you heard of them. They used to be like this federation, but they broke up once, they used to back up at Chavo when he was in jail and stuff like that. So when Chappo gets out, they still help him out and everything. Is this the guy who helped El Chappo escape the first time? No, I think you're talking about,

at least in Seattle, the guy that turned himself into. Yeah, no, not him. This were actually the other side of the cartel that was really strong. Maybe you've seen a picture when the military killed him. They just filled his body with bills. And there's pictures of him with like his body. And they actually got in trouble for that.

But yeah, it was just this other section. It was just like another version of another Chapo and other Mayo. But they were both the Beltrane. It was Alfredo Beltran and Arturo Beltran. And they were the same. But when Chavo got out, they started like beefing. And they said, this is the word in the street. It's not nothing I, you know, that I'm thinking.

But they said that Alchap would turn one of them in so that it sunk again. out because when when his son got out they arrested one of the other guys and then after that the brother of the one that got arrested he's like now you motherfucker snitched on my brother and he just went full-on war and that's the word starting 2008 2009 over there with him and it was like one of the worst and who are the guy and there was two guys that were a big part of choppo's final arrest the two guys that were in chicago those two brothers yeah that they're working with 50 cent now I don't know if you've seen it. They made a podcast telling your stories.

I saw that. 50 Cent. Luis was telling me about that. I've seen this interview of 50 Cent where he's saying how he met them. I guess back in a day when they were deep in the game, one of his artists, they snatch his chain. You know how over here. You guys know, they snatch rappers chains, I guess. And I guess one of the twins got it back for 50.

Oh, shit. And that's how they met back in the day. So now that 50s Shut of 50, bro, I love his series I read his books and I think Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's one of my I look up to that guy But yeah, man, I like how he's turning all that

Into into like entertainment, you know He's turning like the BMF thing You're about the BMF guys Yeah, he made a series about that And he put the son of Mitch He's playing Meech That's like getting a son of El Chapo to play El Chappo You know what I mean?

Wow That's crazy That's pretty wild, man. Yeah, man. Good for him. And that's keeping it pure, too. That's keeping it like in the, you know, you're not just hiring any actors to do this. You're actually hiring actors that know what the fuck happened and that are close to the thing, you know.

But yeah, man, shout out of the fucking 50 cents. Yeah, he was working with those twins. And I mean, my street side is like, man, these guys are snitches, you know. Like, these guys turned on everything. Like, they weren't, they weren't in Mexico, but they were over here. So that's why it was easy for them to snitch. niche in a way, you know, because I think their father did get in trouble or something. I don't know if they, I don't know if he passed away or something, but I, I've seen a little bit of their interviews

and stuff and because their wives also had like a book or something. Yeah. And I think they got in trouble for that too. So, but yeah, man, I mean, it's while I, like, like if a Maya's son try to do it, I don't think he could do it. I don't think he could just, all of a sudden turn a YouTuber, storyteller and just going around telling a story. I don't think he's just too street for that, man. And I'm not saying the twins are not, but it's really different when you grow up in the cartel and them, like, family, like, you know,

that's going against all of your values, all your... How come you don't hear about El Mayo? He's not in any of the shows. He's not in Narcos, right? No, he's in El Chapo series. He's in the El Chapo series. Yeah, but it's funny how it's not in Arcoo. because they don't mention him or anything.

I feel like a lot of people don't mention him. Well, it's part of get shrieking, man, because I think Luis mentioned it here, how he has, like, this background with the CIA and, like, all the stuff. And people keep, like, blaming them. Every time somebody gets caught, like, oh, he probably snitched on him, like, no, stuff like that. I mean, I think. Yeah, Luis was telling a story. I think it's on his Instagram now where he just, like, made this whole video about how a guy

who was, like, a former police officer or CIA officer. He became his brother-in-law. who became his brother-in-law who got Elmayo into the cartel. And Elmio's son talks about this in his book. His book came out like, what, five years ago maybe or more? And this is information that's been there, but nobody reads. You know what I mean? Nobody reads book.

It's not in a video, so nobody knows about it. Nobody knows about that. It's in a paperback book. It's in like two pages, in the two pages of like a book. So like nobody knows about it. Might as well be on a stone tablet and some sort of fucking crazy vault somewhere. And just a little thing there. One of the things when I started writing, I actually, I actually,

how do you say that when you ferment, is that the word, fermenting reading? Because all my friends that don't read, I made them read. They read my shit. Like, they like, just because it's my shit. And they will call me and they'd be like, hey, bro, I read that shit. You published. I mean, I don't read. But since it was you and you're like talking about life, that shit was cool, bro, keep it up.

So I was talking to one of my writer friends, he actually interviewed Benjamin Ariano. He wrote a book with him. And he was like, and he was like, bro, you're actually making people read, like people that don't read. You know what I mean? Not just regular people. That's pretty cool, man. Yeah. And yeah, that's just something that's still up to like, because I keep getting it from my friends.

Like, hey, man, I read that shit. Or I would have books and it would be like a shootout like in pages and I'll read it and I'll be like, hey, read from 24 to 27. and now have them reading in my studio like fools that will never pick up a book bro they were reading and they'll be like oh whoa find me another one like that you know and then now we have to find him another like shoot out or something you know but yeah man most of these people don't read so oh that that's information that information about the CIA brother-in-law it's in the book and i mean yeah he has this background oh that's in his that's in his book yeah his son talked about it you haven't read the book i have no i have no right you're missing

out. He actually, I think in the book, he talks about how, while he's arrested, he calls his dad while he's with the DA agents. And he's like, you know what? I think that's when he tells like, he's going to tell. And his dad's like, yeah, do whatever you need to do. Like, say whatever you need to say. Like, you do what you need to do to fucking save your ass. And, and I mean, the way he tells him in his book, it just sounds so fucking, like, thrilling like an... What's the book called? The traitor. The traitor. He wrote it himself, and it's, So the cover, it's him with a clown face that he drew himself. His own face.

He himself. I don't know if you can find the cover. Wow. Where is he out? Now, what is he doing now? Well, he's probably living in one of those random cities in the U.S. where they're in the U.S. Like he's got some sort of witness protection. Well, he testified against the chapel too.

He testified against everybody. Oh, that's his book, The Trader. No way. He drew that himself. That's wild. His attorney contacted one of the most... Oh, it's on audio. There you go.

Yeah. His attorney contacted one of the reporters in Mexico, if you heard about her, Annabelle Hernandez. Yeah. Yeah, well, his attorney contacted her to talk about the book. And they became, I think they, I think it's over five years of writing the book. She kept talking to them and the lawyer and stuff like that. and she's the author on that.

And yeah, man, I mean, that's a really good read, bro. That talks about the whole background on El Mayo. With his son is telling about it with his dad's authorization. Like, he's literally telling a book how he called his dad what he's with the DA. Are there any interviews of El Mayo? Yeah, it's only written, though. They never released a recorded one. No recorded videos.

No, he, but there's pictures where you've seen, you never heard about this interview? No. There's this really famous magazine called Proceso. I don't know if you heard of it. And I believe it's one of the founders, if not the founder. He passed away already. He was like this really respected journalist. And I guess Amio admired him.

And he reached out to him. And he was like, yeah, I want to do an interview with him. So this guy, there's a picture of him. I don't know if you could pull that up too. Because his name was Julio. I'm forgetting the name of the journalist. But Julio something, and he took a picture with Amayo, and they talked. I read it, this is like 2011, 2012, I think.

So when I read it, I remember they're talking in one of Amio's cabins. And he's not really answering questions. I think he's like letting him talk more. This is a long time I read this, but it's really interesting. It's really interesting that Amio wants to get. like something out there you know what i mean that that's i that's something that i was telling louis like hey how do you know when well he's getting older now el mario yeah he should be really old man i mean i heard he's sick i think diabetes or something like that i don't know but that's what louis told me

but yeah he i mean he must be he's old and all the stress well like just like i was talking about the stress of flying like you know how he belly hurts and like all the stuff just imagine knowing every day every time you wake up that there's tons of people looking for you yeah And I mean tons literally like enemies, military and Interpol like the A all this people like your head is worth $20 million. Imagine the stress of that shit. That's it for him? Yeah. 20 million?

Yeah. That's why he has a Corrieu. He's like they're offering $20 million for me. I spend that shit on a horse. That guy's got to be worth billion. And it's Correa. He says he spends that on a horse. He literally says that.

That's, oh my God. He's like 20 million to get me. I spent $20 million on a horse. If that's at bars, if that's not a rap bar, I don't know what the fuck it is. And coming from the guy, you know,

I mean, I know he didn't write the, the Corridor, but he had to authorize it. So it's, you know. So yeah, man,

I mean. What makes the most money for the cartels right now? Well, illegal immigrants right now, it's a good income. Illegal immigrants. Right now they're going for like,

more than any drugs? Not more, but it's a good money because they're paying like 20,000 per people. Like if you were trying to get across, you will pay around $15,000 to $20,000. And that's for one person. And that's not like, and that's like, I could put two people in a trunk and just drop them off in San Francisco. That's my 40 bucks right there. How is that shit changed since, and what was the difference between when Trump was president now that Biden's president?

Because we were talking earlier, and obviously the relationship between. That's a picture. Yeah. Oh, that's the journalist? Yeah, Julio Sherr, yeah, that's the name. That was a long time ago, huh? Yeah. Yeah, that should be like, what, 2009, 2010?

Yeah. Oh, wow. 13 years ago. Yeah, I remember when that came out, everybody was stunned, you know? And the reporter talks about how you recorded the conversation, but he never released it. I think he did have a recording, but it's only on, he only typed it. And it's not really that long or anything It's just like a little small talk

But I mean, coming from Amaya, you want to hear anything He said, you know, you want to know what fucking food here And shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, how is the border change Since Trump was president to now? I don't think Have you noticed anything? Any difference? It didn't really change when Trump was in.

It didn't change. Not really. He, I know one of his, his campaigns were like the wall But the wall's never been a problem. Right. You know what I mean? It was just some sort of like. It worked for him.

It worked for him. But, I mean, you see all these videos. You've seen tunnels. You see, we have, I mean, not we, but literally cartels have catapults. I don't know if you've seen them. I have. There's this places in like Arizona and stuff where it's mostly desert. So they just use like medieval catapults, bro.

You know, have you seen the ramps where they jump the cars over where they jump like the Baja cars, like the trucks? I don't think I've seen the ramps. Oh, bro. If you can, you should pull it up. There's ramps literally going over the wall. Is there videos of this shit? There's pictures. I know there's pictures because I think he got caught.

But there's one with there. I mean, if there's one picture. How tall is that? That walls, what? Like 50 feet tall? The one that new one, yeah. But the one that was before, I don't think it was that big.

Okay. And like I said, there's places in the desert where there's no like, where it's just a fence. Like once you get like, I know, there's big walls like in the cities. But once you get like deep in the desert, like when you're going to like like an emoseo, like all the stuff in the desert.

Like there's places where it. It's just like, we just move the, just move the little thing, you know, and just go in. And that's why you see all this video, so all these illegal immigrants with backpacks, because they're making money off with illegal immigrants, and they're having them carry stuff across. So that's, you know. Oh, shit. But yeah, I mean. So the drug stuff is kind of like small time now.

No, no, I think it's still out there. The low Coke, that's always going to make money. Coke. Marijuana will not that, not really, unless you send it to like the States. were still illegal, you know, because I know people, I know people that send marijuana to states where it's like,

I think like Mississippi or no, like places where it's still like, where, um, we're still illegal over here. And I guess there's still like a market for reggie, you know, or like really good reggie.

So, but I mean, but yeah, man, I mean, Coke is always going to be there, you know. What would change if drugs became illegalized in the US?

How would the, how would the cartels adapt? They survive like, like what, would the violence change? Well, I see like this. Look at it.

Look at it. with a weed, you still got a black market. I mean, you got legal dispensaries. And at first people were like, even myself, are like, man, they're taxing. Like, I don't want to go like tax. I'll just go to my dealer, you know? He's still selling. So like there's, like in California, it's the best place for weed.

Like, I'm pretty sure you know. But it's still a big, a large black market on it. Like a large black market. Like they're doing, and I'm good because I used to sell it like, you know what I mean? So I would get it from like, at first, I would, before I found. on the dealer, I would go to all the dispensaries and get all the like first-time patient deals and all this stuff and just fucking buy all this shit. But eventually like first-time patient deals ran out and all this shit and I was getting it for a third person price. So eventually

I connected with people with like locals in San Diego because I never really grew up in San Diego, you know, so I didn't really know like the streets in San Diego. So eventually I started getting to know like a little bit of locals and street people and stuff and I eventually came up with some on people like growers and stuff like that that like it that actually i i met him because they did this big as events of weed where it's just like um like a group of vendors would just show up and sell the weed but there was events with like rappers giveaways and shit like that and they were four hour long events so like by the time the police got a report on it it was over and they would do it like in this empty um um warehouses or shit like that you know and they have a little

community in instagram or like okay the next event we're dropping off the adi at uh tomorrow a certain time. And they drop the adi and then you go out, you know, get free gift in the entrance and you show up and there's like 40 vendors

of different kinds of weeds and shit, all illegal. And it isn't a place where weed is legal. Like where you can, you know, but it's expensive to put an illegal expensive

there. It's like a million dollars essentially like that. All these kinds of things. So like, I mean, cookies, that's how it came up.

You know, the backpack boys, that's how they came up. You know, eventually you got to rise up. But it leaves this, this margin for like black,

markets too and I think that's kind of what's what's going to happen with like let's say if they legalized cocaine it's going to be the government is going to have control of it you know it's going to be probably not as pure you know probably not as good people say no it's definitely going to be pure because it's going to be better because it's the government but what the go i don't you know like the government's going to try to make the most money they can exactly you know so or giving it selling it through pharmaceutical companies so if they're cutting it but you still got this dealer you know that you always called. Like, why would you just change? Why would you just start going to the pharmacy

when this guy's always been selling to you since it was legal? You know, he gets a good shit. Yeah. He drops it off at your house, you know? You know, so this kind of connection with the dealers, I think maybe it's still early. Maybe if they legalize it and then in 50 years, maybe, you know, everything changed. But, but it's going to take a while.

The problem with cocaine is the dealers in the U.S. Right? Because they're the ones that are cutting it with shit like accidentally cutting it with fentanyl or cutting other shit that people. people don't know what the fuck they're getting at low level. But then at the same time when when. Because cartels aren't doing that, right? No, no, they don't, they don't like doing that shit.

It's a bad rap. But then again, you've seen users where they're like, they find out somebody OD'd and now they want to get that shit. You know what I mean? It's also like kind of the users for too where instead of being scared of like, oh, he OD, like, I'm not buying from from his dealer. And they go like, oh, no, where do he get this shit from? You know, they want the strong shit.

because on their mind they think like oh he died but i can't handle it you know what i mean yeah that's crazy and that's people that think like that they're like i want this shit that's gonna that i want to be flirting with death when i'm taking and and and it even becomes as a joke when i see like like there's this famous video where rapper passing out of from a dab where he couldn't handle the dab so he just starts fucking coughing it just passes out and me and the homies were like i want to have that shit like i want to get what he, you know, but it's that, like, addict mentality, I think, you know, where you think, like, oh, that's too good, but he couldn't handle it. I can handle it, you know. So that's the, I think that's what fucks up also because instead of the users being like, hey, no, like taking care of each other

type thing, no, they want the shit that's killing people, you know what I mean? And it sucks because if, let's say you're a dealer that's cutting your shit with fentanyl and one of your clients died, but you keep getting more clients. You're not going to stop. You're not going to be, oh, Mexico cartels don't know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, put fentany on this shit.

You know what I mean? So, yeah, man, I mean, it's a, I know it sounds like a cliche, but it's also a very lack of education on drugs. Because I remember when I, I've always liked to research everything, everything. And when I was young,

and we only have one computer in my house and you have to be, like, off the phone to use the internet, I would research, like, I would be out of my friends. And when I started, like, Some of my friends were doing coke really young. And I didn't do coke until I was like 19.

But some of my friends were doing it like really young. And I was like, you know, like I kind of was like a mama's boy. Like I was raised by my mom like well, but I became a bad boy. So all these things like marijuana, I kind of thought it was cool. And I researched it. I was like when they taught me how to use Google in middle school, they taught me how to use Google and ask Jeeves back in the day. Yeah, I remember.

Yeah. So I would type everything, bro. I love research stuff. So I would research like, what do these drugs do? What do this drug do? And once I grew like math and coke and all that, I was like, oh, like, what the fuck is that? You know, like, I want that shit.

Eventually you see people doing coke all the time where you say, ah, it's whatever, I do a bump. And it wasn't really my thing. Like I was telling you earlier, uppers are not my thing. I'm always like more weed chill guy. But it was just all over. Like everybody's doing it. Everybody's drinking and having fun.

And you just, ah, whatever, let's do a couple bumps. And eventually you become a coke. You know, you're doing this shit every weekend. And you think it's just socially. but now every weekend that you drink you want to do it yeah you know and other drugs that really really cause a lot of trouble and i want to speak on this it's actually i was thinking about this before are actually the legal drugs like uh there's this drug i don't know i don't know what do you call it in english it's a ribotril or clonazepan it's can all uh um colanopin

no no clonacepan or ribatrol i think they give it to people that have seizures it's a it's a Really? Epileptic people? Yeah, like epileptic people. I think it's like a downer. It just, if people take it for anxiety, people, it's like, what's out of it? What, what, what, can you name me some people? Like Valium, Xanax, Valium, Bike it in.

Something around that. Not as strong as Xanax, but it's something like that. And it's legal. It's like a real thing. It's just like, like, like, legal in the U.S.? Legal everywhere. Okay. And, but, but, but this is one of the cigarist's favorite drugs because it just blacks you out and you don't

remember anything. And so they do that like when they when they go out and like commit murder. Yeah literally before they go they pop two with a Coke. That's that's a little combo over there. With a cover. Yeah. It's the saying that with Coke it gets faster. But it's just you feel the gas of deteriorating the pill.

So it feels like it's you're getting a much faster high. But it's just the same shit. But yeah, it's kind of like Xanax, bro. You know how people pass out on that and they just don't remember and they black out and they're like, oh, I woke up with like new clothes and shit like that. well, these drugs, particularly these pills, they're very much used by, by cicarios and by, like, regular people. And, like, regular people are, like, I've, I know a lot that they're like, oh, well, I just use it to sleep. Well, yeah, but, you know, take it, you get all irritated and you're fucking yelling and you're hitting your kids and shit like that. And, like, that's like mess.

You know what I mean? Like, what's the difference, you know? And people, like I said, I have friends that before they commit a crime, they pop that and they're drinking the Coke and they smoke maybe a little J and they wait till that shit and then they know they'll dry over there. They do what they got to do. Next days go by and they don't remember that they did it. So maybe they remember a little bit, but not that weight in conscience. No less if you like fucking did it, you know? Well, like, yeah, it's just it's so, the lines are so weird when it comes to what's legal and what's not because like Coke.

It's illegal. But we have fucking Adderall and all these other things that are basically just, they're like one molecule away from being just pure meth. And I think 90% of students in America are on Adderall every single day. And I feel meth is worse than Coke.

If Adderall had Coke, I don't think it would be like as strong as it is because Coke is not really that, I don't feel it's as strong as meth. And that's something else too. I really hate meth, bro. That's something I, I have close people, like family members and stuff that can't get over the addiction of meth.

And it's one of those things where it just sucks because like I tell people like, at least heroin, at least it kills you. You know what I mean? At least you're fucking OD one day and that's it. But meth, it keeps you alive forever. What is the difference between I've never done meth? What is the difference between Coke and meth? Well, meth is.

Like, I know what the difference is. Like, I know what the actual difference is between the two drugs. But like, what is the experience? Well, the part about Coke is that it comes from a plant. So it's kind of natural. You know, it's mixed with other stuff that get the, what do you call it? The ingredients, the ones that you want to get out, they get them out. But meth is straight synthetic.

Methestrate fucking medicine, methistrate pills. Yeah, it's cooked up. It's all. It's just, yeah, it's the worst. What is like the high? Like, what is the difference in the high, getting high off math and get in? I've never tried math. I've always been scared.

I'm from the generation where when I was young and the older guys. they were like, they would be like, hey, if I ever see you smoking, I don't be you, I'll, like, don't do this. And then just seeing them, bro, like, seeing them, they're, I'm like, I don't want to look like that. Like, yeah, no, I see stoners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember I used to watch, like, like, the first movies I kind of saw marijuana in it. It was like Friday, you know, like smoking stuff. So you see, like, part is, and it seemed fun.

Like, for me, like, I love listening to music and chilling my room. So, like, with a joint, it seemed perfect, you know what I mean? It kind of seemed like the vibe. Yeah. But I've seen, like, the meth heads and all these other fools are all dirty. and like, you know, all scrubbing shit like that. Scratching themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the, that's the heroin. Heroin makes them scratch themselves. Oh, okay. And, but yeah, I mean, there's people that mix it. There's people that like to do meth with heroin. And there's people that, one of my friends, he said he injected one, meth and heroin. He said it felt so good. He said it felt it was the best.

Yeah, they like, like stretching themselves, like getting high on the upper and then taking the downer and like riding the roller coaster. What? Yes. He said he wasn't even hard. Holy shit. He was literally. like just fucking like all fucking um on heroin you know how they get all like all folded up and he said that that he was feeling so good and then when he got back to the census he was

yeah he was all stained up because he he came and he said that was the last time he did it he's scared of he he did meth but he never did both and he said that time that happened and he was like nah fuck that that that's too good i mean he he he got shot like a few years ago you know rest in peace but uh he's one of the guys that at first he's trying to bullied me in jail. Then we became really good friends after after he tried bully me and he saw that he couldn't. We became friends. And I, when I got out, I tried looking for him, but they told me that he was he was bad in drugs and then they found him dead one one time. But yeah, like I was saying, at least other drugs kill you, man. And meth just keeps you like

a zombie forever forever and ever. There's one of my one of my friends dad, the doctor told him like the doctor told him, bro, don't stop doing it. If you stop, you'll die. Like they literally like your body is so like used to this that you wouldn't take a what do you call it the withdrawal Yeah your body would your body wouldn't yeah it will kill you like just keep doing it Bro that's fucking I mean I yeah I hate that drug man that's one of the drugs I've I've never try I've lost friends over it I like I said I've even some family members that just get lost into that man I think that's the worst That's just that that's one of the things like if I was ever like in charge like a president or something thing I would be like against meth.

Like all yeah. Adderall and all that shit. I think it's... When I was in a couple years ago, I was in Porto Vallarta and when I went down to like the streets and I was like riding around, I noticed on every corner there's like these little pop-up pharmacies with all the fucking drugs you could possibly imagine. And they got a list. Have you seen the list?

I was telling Luis because he wants to do a story about it. I was like, look, you just... exit the United States walking and just walk to downtown in Tijuana. It's like a couple miles, but since you're going along like places and stuff, so it's not that long of a walk. But you see all these pharmacies with like a sign in the front door with a Cialis, Adderall, Valia. All the good shit, you know, all the good shit, they just advertise it there.

Like, they're not a fucking, I don't know, Pepto or nothing else. They got the shit that they know the Americans are coming for. Who is making that shit? Because it's not the real, it's not the actual like brand pharmacology stuff. It's like, it's not really hard to make pills. You've seen how they press pills before? Like how they make the ecstasy pills and stuff like that? It's not really that hard, man.

I mean. But who is doing that though? The cartels? That's kind of hard to ask because I don't think, shit, I've never been, I've never gone down that right with a hill, to be honest. I mean, because I'm guessing they have to get it from somewhere. Maybe the supplier that's getting them. I don't know how it works for like pharmacies.

I don't know like the owners in charge of putting together his suppliers. I don't know if the chain of pharmacies already has a supplier. I don't know if they know what's going on or only the supplier. You know, I don't know. I don't know. But just thinking that it's not that easy to do, it's pretty easy for anybody to do it. You know what I mean? Any cartel member that buys a couple pharmacies,

could do that shit with his pharmacies, you know? Just, uh, just, uh, fucking make some fake, uh, see Alice or I don't know what the fuck or the, what are the other ones, the Adderall and all that? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man, it just seems like, just from talking to you and talking to Luis and, and Ed Calderon

and all these people, it's, it's, it's, this war just seems like it, there's no end in sight to it. And it seems like it was, I think it started back, I think it started like, it's, you know how when you try to put together a puzzle and you fucked up on one piece and now you could

take everything out, I think that's what happened and since the beginning they put something off and then they just nothing fucked up and then now

all the fuck up has just been going on and they, we need like a reset button or something, you know? Yeah. And I mean,

it's, yeah, man, it's, I can remember who I saw that that was talking about everything was least

about legalizing and stuff like that. You ask them something like that. There's this story. There's this, this newspaper in Tijuana called the Seta. It's like the most famous one because even before social media, that was like our social media,

they had the news or the cartels. Like that was literally like, you read that shit for like cartel information, you know? Eventually it kind of got watered down because they started getting into politics. So, you know, now if certain people is related to politicians that they're involved with, they're not going to talk about it. So, you know, it got water down.

But at first, and they got this video on their website it's like I think it's called a metaphor they talk about this medieval times where there's this town and they have this dragon and the dragon is a metaphor for like the narcos and this dragon is always causing trouble in the town and whatever and eventually the town finds a way for the dragon to cause shit and doesn't affect them because they find they try to kill them too many times and they just came back worse so eventually they just became friends with them and and now, you know, and they try to make this as a story for like the, our country. And I think that's kind of, that's kind of what's going to have to happen, man. I mean, some sort of legalization with like amnesty and like, because it's, I know it's like, you know, the Americans, we don't negotiate with terrorists. I know it sounds bad, but I, if that's the only way to stop it, what's stopping you from doing? You know what I mean? If, you know, they're going to be, like I said, some amnesty or something where some of them can keep some of their stuff, maybe do.

some time or maybe you know like what they're doing we your metaphor for the dragon is like it's also also like the hydra where you cut off the fucking head of the snake and it just grows another head so now you keep cutting off you keep cutting off like um uh ovidi like you you arrest ovidio you get rid of los chepitos well now you're just creating a power vacuum we're going to create more heads of the hydra you're just creating more and more factions and creates creates more and more violence and all these people have generations waiting to join, bro. Like, yeah. There's kids right now.

I don't have, I don't think he's going to be able to find it. There's this video, there's Corrido that's really famous right now, and it's about, it's about Los Chapitos and their main security guy. Oh, chicken little? Yeah. And, uh, Luis was telling me all about this guy. He just evaded some sort of raid. Yeah, yeah, he's, he watched podcast, bro.

He watches his podcast? He watches podcast? He watched his podcast? English podcast? I don't think he speak English But he's he watches He's aware of what goes on in the And the social media

He's very well aware I was telling Luis this And but yeah There's this Corrio about him right now That it's so popular There's videos popping up with like kids in like School buses singing it In field trips

Like if you know how you row Row your boat Well now it's like You know they're singing Corridos man Everywhere everywhere So all these kids Like I mean Most of them

Don't get me wrong. Most of them, they see it as music as what it is. But there's always this one or two kids that are like, yeah, I want to be that. That was me, bro. I want to be the, like, when I started singing like, well, I'm from, and TJ, I didn't grow up around any famous singers, no famous rappers, no famous nothing. The only guys that had money, either you worked in the United States, a construction job, you had a nice truck, you know, and your well-paid check, or you were in the cartel and you had a bunch of, you were cool in the community, you know, the girls wanted you, you go to clubs. You don't have to wake up early, so you do whatever you want with your life. You know what I mean?

So, yeah, man, I kind of, I want to be that too. Yeah. And when you see these guys that have money, too, they're driving sick cars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at first you don't see, well, even if you see the bad thing, you're like, yeah, I want to be a bad guy. You know, I want people to respect me. I want, you know, and then, and that's, there's all kinds of kids growing up like this, you know, looking. That's why when I started with my friend that he became famous and stuff, and he's just from a hood, just like mine, we started getting like,

this sort of like inspiration for young kids like to let them know like look we made it out of that shit without having to risk our lives or anything we can chase their dreams you know you want to be a musician you can do it don't think because you don't see nobody around you're doing it you can do nah you can do it so me and my friend have this kind of like we started this shit and he sings corridos but he has a lot of songs that are that are not narco corridos it's just corridos talking about how he struggled to become where he's you know kind of like the narco story but in the legal way. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, so we started this little wave and now even Corridos became more popular because now you don't have to see, be an arco to listen to the suburbos. You could be,

you could relate, you know, to just some people that is in a struggle like rap, you know, just so you get to listen to a rap song and you can you relate to the rapper that he's singing about a struggle, how he had to sell drugs to get by. Now he doesn't sell drugs. Now he does good, you know. So it's the same story. We, we actually, that's actually I love rap. So I told him, I was like, look, rappers do this. We should do this with you because you, because you got the swag and it's a junior generation. We started a whole trend. So yeah, man, I mean, now TJ has a lot of famous people.

Now we have famous boxers that became popular because there's always been like sports and stuff, but if you're not into it, you didn't know about it. Now we have, now they're famous because of social media and because we, there's everybody just trying to like make a change too, you know? Yeah. There's this famous painter that he paints faces of like our famous people from TJ or just any Mexican in like bridges and stuff and TJ. So now you drive around and you see like all these people faces and they're not like narcos or anything.

They're like UFC champions. You know Brandon Moreno. Yeah. She's from TJ. It's phases in a bridge and big-ass bridge. And just like this, like different, I think all this movement started and now there's a lot of good inspiration. You know what I mean? Because the narco was always the culture.

It's nice, bro. Like I've told the people, I love it. Like I still love it. But I want something else. Like I'm passionate about creating too. Like I'm passionate about music. I'm passionate about writing. Like that moves me too.

So now that I want to like do stuff more family and like want to get on my way, like it's not it's not taking me, what do you call it? It's not that half for me to give it up, you know, because this I'm passionate for this as right. But if once I found another path. Yeah. But once I talk about that shit and everything, I'm passionate about that too. It's like I because I grew up in it and just the culture and everything. I know it's all that I've suffered, bro, from death. I cried from every day.

Like I still do for my uncle. He passed away last year just for being in the. wrong place at the wrong time you know he he was a real hardworking man but on the weekends he liked to smoke a little bit meth and he wasn't like a method he's just like right after work he would go he lived in tj he worked in the shipyards in san diego got her for work on fridays uh went to tj stop by the connect before pulling up to the house you know take a couple of hits and then go home and do whatever he need to do with his family uh but on one of this stops at the at the trap house guys came in and they thought he was from the Sina Loa Cartel and they shot him.

There's a hardworking man that he just liked to get high on the weekends. You know what I mean? I mean, if it was legal, I'm pretty sure that he would have a safe place where he could get high, you know. But like I said, if it became legal, it's going to take years for the program to everything get together for the black market to shrink and everything. So, yeah, man, death's like that. Like that's one of the worst deaths I've suffered recently. He was like my brother.

He was only like eight years older than me. And it's tragic because he never, you know. I mean, he did his time and anything, but right now he was just a working man and family man. Staying away from shit and everything. And shit happened, man. And I mean, I could ask my friends, you know, I could be like, hey, who did this, who did it?

But I'm not trying to get it back into it. If I'm going to ask, it's because I'm planning to doing something about it, you know? And many, you know, many of my friends were like, hey, just tell me who it was, tell me what we need to do, we do, you know, we got you and all this stuff. But on my mind, I was like, if I do this, that's just pulling me back in. Right.

I mean, I know my uncle would probably like that for me, but I got to look up for my, my own path, you know, whatever I want for my future. And I had already, I was moving out to San Diego and, like, getting away from stuff. Like, but when that happened, I, like, I still had, like, a little bit, like, the weight thing and stuff or, like, the guns and stuff. But once that happened, that was it. That was it for me because if I go out looking for the guy. I know I'm gonna find him.

It's a small place in Tja. I know I'm gonna find it and I know I could do whatever I want to do to. But, but yeah, man, it was just, that was just the end. That was just, that was like, yeah, that's, this is it, man. It's either now or never. Are there a lot of guys like you who have podcasts in Mexico? Are there a lot of like Spanish podcasts? Like you were mentioned that I got Chicken Little listens to a lot of podcasts.

How many podcasts are there that are like deep into Narcats? culture. Deep into narco, not really many, but in Kulakhan, there's a few podcasts that's been popping up. Really? Yeah, and it's funny because they don't care about, it's like they're recording for their own people, but they don't know that

all these people from all over the world. So they're just saying stories about tablasos, getting tabladded out. They're just telling stories about people I used to work for whoever. The podcast became popular with the COVID. I mean, I've been listening to podcasts since

I've been listening since satellite radio, like Patrice O'Neill and all that. I've always loved to listen to all that shit. And I always thought like, man, they should do this in Mexico. But nobody really care about it. Like, just listening to long-ass conversations of people you don't know. Like, it didn't seem attractive. But once COVID hit, it's like a couple podcasts, one of them is one of the most famous one, it's called Creativo in English, Creative.

And he became, he kind of took the Joe Rogan vibe. And he's very intellectual. He's very smart. And creative. Yeah. Creative in Spanish. Creativo. And where's he based?

In Nuevo, Monterey. In Monterey. Yeah, Monterey has a few podcasts pretty good right now for comedians. He's not a comedian, but I think he's trying to be. He's one of them. And Adrian Marcello, he's one of my really good friends. Shout out to him again. You should check him out.

He's a comedian. He's really funny. It's all Spanish, but he's really really. really funny dude, man. And, but yeah, in Kuliacan, a couple of podcasts started coming up too. And one is called, I think one is called, I want to say Los Alucines, which is basically the, what do you call this? Not the wannabes, but like the kind of, you know, just this person that talks like he,

that talks about like shit that's been through, but exaggerates. Oh, okay. You know, kind of like, that's the name of the show. And I think they have like like lookouts. They interview like lookouts and stuff like that. And they have really funny like, you know, like pieces. And that's the kind of shows that the guy we're talking about watch. And I'm pretty sure you watch is a bunch of different because now the algorithm.

Yeah. Now they put you all together. What kind of people do you have on your podcast? I started with singers, the artists. Okay. Because I know many of them and famous and like there's a really big music scene in Tijuana. So that's kind of like where I'm starting. But I'm taking a cartel members.

Some of my cartel members are willing to, uh, show. Are you going to like put masks on them and change the voice? I asked them, one of them said, no. One of the one that I shouted out that he was in, uh, that he did like 11 years. I think he said he'd be down to just do it. And I, and like I tell him like, hey, bro, don't, don't say anything. I'll get you in trouble. Like say shit that you already did your time for, you know, say stuff that you're cool.

Because as long as I want that view or the views, I don't want to get you in trouble. You know what I mean? I'm not no snitch. I'm not no fucking black TV. Right, right. They're fucking blaming for shit. So I always tell him this, but yeah, I mean, El Gordo Villarreal, I have his interview now recording everything, but he recorded with a... You recorded him from prison?

Yeah, and contraband cell phone. So he's like, just wait until they move me to another prison, and then you can follow this shit, you know what I mean? So we're waiting for that. Wow, bro. And then there's this other guy that just got out. I don't know if I should mention his name because it was national news. Him and his brother just got out, and they were the size of, like, Ramon Ariano. know they were they worked with sides to side with them really and and their case became really

really in the news because the United States let them stay here with with work permits and everything they did like 20 some years or more but but apparently what the guy was telling me I'm gonna interview him I just like he just like getting comfortable but he said yes but he told me that his attorney got the judge to approve them to stay here because they put this thing where, like, they said if they were sent back to Mexico, they could suffer torture and stuff like that, and there's a right against that in America. So the judge gave it to them. And now they're living here with permits to work and live here.

And people were in Mexico bitching about, like, oh, these killers, they have charges. They haven't done time in Mexico. But they were extradited from Mexico. But it's just this never ending of people wanted people to do time forever. You know what I mean? Like, because I have friends where I'm like, you know, people change, right? You know, like, there's people that come out of jail and don't want to go back. What's the point of keeping them there 30 years if with 15 it was enough?

You know what I mean? And I mean, I get it. Like, there's the other side of the coin where there's people that did 20 plus years and they just come out and they're like, yeah, I'm cartel 100%. Yeah. I know people like that. And it's crazy to me because I'm like, damn, like really? Like, I love that shit too, but I'm willing to like. you know but everyone's different man yeah man it's yeah i think it's gonna take some sort of like

evolution of culture to to change this and and um you know seeing people like yourself trying to like rise out of this shit you know what i mean like rise out of i think you see more people like me at the time it's coming i think it's all this uh podcasting and all this creative stuff that that just came in hand for like people like us that like i mean i've always like music drawing and everything but i never took the time to go to school you know like and and all that which i would if I would have learned how to do this shit, like I'll probably be like, my podcast would be doing good

or maybe not even a podcast, maybe something else, but I mean, with all these opportunities that you see and people like me setting examples for like younger kids, you know, like I was posting that I was coming here, you know, that I've been posting my little journey,

you know, my, what's your podcast call, and he can pull it up? El Bordo. El Bordo. Yeah. On YouTube? Yeah, on YouTube.

And, Yeah, I mean, I know people from all, like, reporters really interested, like Luis, people from his level. I know writers. I know cartel members. I know sport people, UFC people, artists, comedians, like I was saying you. I just been, I don't know, man, like, I'm not famous, but I meet famous people, and they like me. We become friends. We just become, like, every time they come to DJ, they hit me up.

Is you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me. L'Bordo Entertainment. There it is. my uh the logo is the the highway and tj next to the border but it's a very well site so like once i published the the logo everybody was like oh man that's cool yeah yeah that's dope yeah i only have like four episodes because the guy that was recording me it was his equipment and he moved so right now i had to like uh make some legal money which

took me the double amount of time so now i bought i bought my mics i bought my cameras i bought my my mix cast. So yeah, I'm shooting now. I actually shot my first, well, with my equipment, I shot my first podcast last week, which should be, actually I haven't checked,

but I should have posted it today that it was coming out tomorrow. Okay. So yeah, and this one's going to get views because of the artists that I have. It's a real, real, how do you say,

like, in Spanish, it's polemico, I don't know how you say in English. Like, very, problematic. Not problematic, but he has, he,

he's he's a character that people want to listen to him because i was telling he's really into like the he really sung to the tihana cartel only kind of like it seemed like he was part of the cartel like he was their children you know so like people many people he grabbed many people's attention because at first he started singing with his face mask with a face mask he went and see you know because he was singing just so uh his his lyrics were so uh he wasn't playing around with his words you know sometimes you play around with words so you don't say shit directly. He was saying...

Like controversial? He was saying... Yeah, he was very controversial. That's the word. He's very controversial. And we actually helped him. Me and my friend from Coichello. Well, mostly him.

He got him to do a do-it with him, like a feature. And my friend is already in the commercial level. So he was doing... He was a real good underground artist with like millions of views. The guy I'm talking about that guy interview. Yeah. So once my friend opened the door from, everybody was like, hey, I've heard you before.

I've heard you music, but I didn't know how to approach you because you give this, like, this vibe that you're, you know, like, you're more of a cartel than a singer. So, not many people wanted to, like, you know, work with them, people in the industry, the music industry. But now that he came with us and, like, we opened all these orders. Everybody was like, yeah, like, I heard you. And he was all psyched up about it. He's like, yeah, man, like, I've been trying to go commercial, but people think I'm cartel because I only sick to them. But they're the only guys asking me for corribiles. Like, I don't see Sin a lot of people are asking.

Now they are asking him, but at first, there was no other people asking him to make songs about him. And he can't make a song about somebody without their authorization. You know what I mean? So, yeah, so I interviewed him. And since he has cartel friends and I have cartel friends, he's never been able to talk about that in other podcasts. So with me, we mentioned names. We talk about... And that's dropping tomorrow?

Yeah, that should be dropping tomorrow. Hopefully, if my editors got... Sorry, you got time. This won't come out until next Monday. So we got time. It'll be out by the time this goes up. It'll be in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure some of you. And I'll put links to your

podcast in the description of this. People don't know how to find it. I know. It's fucking 2 a.m. I haven't been up this late in a long time. Really, really? Probably because of the flight and I, like I said, I slipped the whole place.

I know. I'm bitching, but you traveled all day. Yeah, San Diego. But yeah, man, I mean, we've missed out on a lot of stories, like the famous rapper stories out there in Mexico, you know, being escorted by the cartel. That was a great,

story. We can't tell that guy's name though. Nah, man. But you saw both of them and they're both famous and they're both relevant. The artist and the guy that was that was a protagonist. But yeah, man, I mean, some of these rappers and artists, they have

to... So that rapper was doing a show in Tijuana. No, not in Tijuana. Some other place in Mexico. Oh, some other place in Mexico. When they got there, they realized that, oh shit, these people that are escorting us are a cartel. Yeah. And by, yeah, yeah, as soon as

got there. Like as soon as the, yeah, man, I wish I could give you a little bit of detail. But, uh, but, uh, yeah, it was hopefully we can do, maybe we can do this on another episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell who the rapper is. And I'll give you the, yeah. This will be a good, great cliffhanger. Yeah, it is, man. And, uh, yeah, we'll save it for next time. I appreciate you, uh, coming on here and sharing your perspective. I think it's, uh, going to be extremely eye-opening for a lot of people. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, uh, I don't do this for people want to get into the life, hopefully try to keep it from them, you know, there's other stuff. Better to do with your life.

I mean, this sounds exciting. This sounds like movie type thing and everything. But, I mean, right now I was just saying you the cool parts. I mean, I'm not telling you that all the times I've cried for my friends. I'm not telling you all the people I have doing life in prison. My friends that call me and they get motivated by me because what I'm doing now. And they're like, yeah, man, when I get out, like I'm going to do like some positive shit too, you know what I mean? and that's the message I hope I spread with like these stories, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think that's what you're doing, man. All right, hopefully. Extremely powerful, man. Thank you again. All right. Thank you. Time for bed.