Danny Jones Podcast - #205 - Lost 'Mayan Atlantis’ Just Discovered in Central American Jungle | Luke Caverns

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Luke Caverns is an anthropologist who explores the lost civilizations of the Amazon & Central America. EPISODE LINKS @lukecavernshttps://www.instagram.com/lukecaverns SPONSORS https://ghostbed.com/danny - Use code DANNY for 40% off https://bluechew.com - Try BlueChew FREE when you use promo code KONCRETE at checkout FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/jonesdannyhttps://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 0:00 - Luke’s family gold mines 9:57 - Luke's view on the Pyramids of Egypt 13:29 - Controversy over first pyramid build in Egypt 16:33 - Dating of the Sphinx - Dr Robert Schoch 25:43 - Cedars of Lebanon in Bent Pyramid 35:18 - Pyramids in Mexico & South America; Anti-seismic ancient structures 46:46 - Stone scoop marks; evidence of acid used to FUSE stones together 54:13 - Viracochea, The "Fanged Diety" 1:05:11 - Mysteries of the Olmecs - moving 40 ton stones 1:20:03 - Ancient cultures connection to psychedelics, music, & the Spiritual Realm 1:27:33 - 30,000 BC Amazon Caves 1:31:11 - Percy Fawcett's expidetion to find lost city in the Amazon 1:35:35 - Pre-Younger Dryas Structers & Unusual Precision 1:40:45 - Solid Block Myan Stonemanship 1:48:06 - The lost Mayan city of Palenque; Lost Mayan Atlantis 1:55:31 - Deadliest animals in Mesoamerica & Amazon 2:13:30 - Could Ancient Egypt and Mesomericans Communicated? 2:22:46 - Maya Library of Codex Destroyed 2:34:36 - Ancient lost cities & pyramids just discovered using lidar scans of uncharted jungles 2:44:34 - The ancient Maya city of Yaxchilán 3:00:42 - Cartels in Mexico & the Amazon 3:12:09 - What it's like exploring uncharted jungles alone 3:16:23 - 2024 Open Expedition Uncharted Ruins 3:20:58 - Mayan Jaguar Death Whistle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

for people that don't know who you are want you to like give yourself a brief give us like a background of like how you got into this um and like where you came from and all that yeah so uh my name is luke caverns i'm an anthropologist uh that studies sort of the origins of civilization but i'm kind of like a rogue anthropologist i'm not going to go work for a university i'm not going to work for a big college or anything like that but um yeah The way that that started was I grew up hearing about stories that my family had been involved in. So on my dad's side of the family, in the 1890s, there's this great legend of this. It's called the Bill Kelly Mine.

It's like the lost gold of Bill Kelly. And so my family, they had this big farm out in Dryden, Texas. This is West Texas. And so there's this place out there called Reagan Canyon. and that's my family's last name. And so Reagan Canyon is where Spanish troops would pass through the Rio Grande River and come up into West Texas on their way to sites like New Mexico. And sometimes they would pass through there and eventually head back over east towards San Antonio

because there's a lot of cattle being driven through there. And that's what they were involved in was cattle. But they end up finding this young boy, this young, he's like a, a half African-American, half-mexican boy who comes through riding a mule and he doesn't have a family, he has no place to go. So he becomes like an indentured worker for my family back then. You know, this is the late 1800s, so, you know, they don't have the same moral that we have today necessarily. And so, but they take him in, they treat him like family and everything. And while he was out herding cattle, and I think they had goats as well, he finds this, he finds

this lost gold mine. So I won't sit on this for too long, but they spent from the 1890s through probably the Great Depression kind of shut it down, because life got so hard and people couldn't live out and dried in Texas anymore during the Great Depression. There's this 40-year quest of my family and other people who are involved looking for these lost gold mines. And it's, it kind of gets twisted up because when the Spanish were bringing gold through that Reagan Canyon, there would be bandits in there that would stop these Spanish patrols, take all their loot, bring it up into the mountains, and hide it up there. So there have been people, I've seen photos.

I don't have photos of it with me today, but there are photos of people who go out and they see these, they look like rocks, but when you go up onto it, it ends up being like these wooden cases that have fallen in and they open the case and there's all kinds of like Spanish treasure items, identification of, I don't know, Spanish military leaders that were, on these caravans. And so these bandits would drag it up into the mountains and hope to come back later for whatever reason they never would. So my family from the 1890s was big into cattle in West Texas and in their spare time searching for lost Spanish gold because it was just happening in that area. So they get involved in oil. They made some money. They made quite a lot of money in oil

in the early 1900s. My dad's father is then born. He steps into the oil business. And, And he uses the oil business as a means to fund, you know, because he becomes captivated with searching for lost treasures in like the Southwest American areas. And he becomes captivated looking for lost treasures, lost cities, lost Spanish gold. And so he uses his gold mining operation and oil operation as a means to do that. So he goes out into New Mexico in the 1950s and he finds the seven lost Spanish gold mines, which was this legend that had been around for. 60 years before that. So from the 1890s as well, there were seven lost Spanish gold mines out in the

deserts of New Mexico that people have been looking for. He found them and he found old Spanish sites there. And then he even concluded that there may have been Mogoyone, which is the, it's the ancient indigenous culture that would have lived there from maybe 1,000 BC up until 1,000 80. So about 2,000 years, the mogulian people would have lived there. Well, it's thought, even though there hasn't been any archaeologist or geologists out there to conclude this. This is just what him as an amateur archaeologist, he probably would have been more closely to like an antiquarian, just somebody who had a lot of money who was into ancient history.

But he thought that maybe the Mogoyon people were mining things out there as well. Well, he rediscovers these mines, and he opens up something called the Three Bells Mining Company. And so for eight years from 1955 to 1963, he's running this big gold mining operation out there in the desert. And it's kind of like a hidden location. Well, a smelter explodes. Somebody dies.

Shrapnel goes flying everywhere. His partner runs off with all the money and he lost everything. And in the fallout of that immense poverty, they had nothing. I mean, they went from one of the wealthiest families in East Texas. They had like eventually ended up in Palestine, Texas. They were the wealthiest family in East Texas to being one of the wealthiest families. to being one of the poorest families, just like that. And, you know, there were just some not very smart decisions that were made during that whole

gold mining process, but they lost everything. Well, my dad was born in the fallout of that poverty, and so my dad never witnessed any of the wealth that they had, but grew up hearing about, you know, these lost treasures and everything, and I grew up hearing about that as well. And then I guess on the other side, on my mother's side, my grandpa, he was a pastor, but also into the ancient history of the Bible. So growing up, I learned a lot about ancient history from my mother's side and then kind of seeking gold, seeking treasure, being an adventurer, being an explorer from my father's side. And so I grew up hearing about all this. And so from as early as I can remember, these were the first stories I was ever being told.

well, all these years later, I end up, I pursue some other career ideas. None of them really pan out. And in the back of my mind, in spite of everything, I cannot get away from like the allure of ancient civilizations, you know? And the reason I pushed it off is just because, I mean, how do you make a living doing that? You know, I mean, a lot of these guys are dirt broke who study ancient civilizations. How do you, you know, turn that into a good semi-prosperous life?

right. But in spite of everything, I couldn't get away from it. And so eventually went to school, got my degree in anthropology. And last year, my dad and I are talking at the beginning of the year, as I'm really, as my channels are starting to take off, and I tell him, I'm like, I'm like, dad, I want to go find those mining camps that he had, the camps that are way out in the desert. And he had these, I had seen them growing up, but really just started. looking at them maybe about two years ago, my grandfather, who was in New Mexico, he had maps of all the mines where they were mapped out and everything, but he had no GPS coordinates on the map. It was all hidden because he knew one day he wanted to go back out there and reopen up the mines.

And so he blew in a bunch of the mines, like, you know, blew in the mouth of the mines, collapsed them so that other people couldn't go in there because there were rich gold veins that are just sticking out. I mean, it was one of the richest gold mines in New Mexico at the time, in southwest New Mexico. And so I spent the better part of nine months scanning satellite photography to try to find, according to this 1955 map of the region, I was going on satellite photography and satellite imaging trying to figure out where it was. I eventually found it. And this time last year, I was getting ready to go out there. And so I went out there and I found it in person and explored the mines and everything. The infrastructure was all still there. We went metal detecting in the rivers

like 100 yards away and we found debris from the blast that had exploded and destroyed my family's wealth, found debris from the blast, went down into the mines. We found mines with openings that are half the size of this room that are so deep that you lean over and look down and you can never see the bottom. And probably about, in all there ended up being about 40 mines out there and we saw half of the whole property. So anyways, that's kind of my upbringing and my background and where I come from. And all of that led me to being into ancient history, but not necessarily looking for Spanish gold. I kind of started in ancient, looking for, I kind of started being interested in ancient Egypt. But like we were talking about last night, Egypt is not as accessible to me. I just don't have

the funds to go there. I hadn't had the funds to go there. And so learned as much as I could about Egypt and then I became interested in the Americas because, you know, I could just fly to Mexico. And so I got wrapped up and all that and started making videos about it. Maybe about just about two years ago, I started making videos after years of studying. And I thought that maybe making videos would be a better route than being an archaeologist working for a university, being told what I have to do. If I could build a life where I was talking to people about ancient history, maybe that could afford me the ability to pay my bills, to support my wife and my dog, and be able to travel as well.

So that's where I'm at now. That's incredible. And I was kind of shocked last night at dinner when you told me there's no way that the Egyptians did not build the pyramid because I just got done talking to Randall and Ben for the last three days. And basically everything that they show is evidence for the pyramids being built before the younger dryest cataclysm. Really? And the fact that the ancient Egyptian.

All the evidence with the hieroglyphs and the perfect symmetry and the amazing construction is like, it's impossible that they did that with copper chisels and pounding stones. That's true. Okay. So when I say that, my point of view, I think that there are other sites in the world that that definitely allude to the idea that there's a lost civilization that dates back, you know, as far as, as far as during around the time of the Ice Age. my personal opinion, I don't think that the pyramids in Egypt are the best example of that.

I'd love to see what they present. I mean, because these guys, I mean, they study that specifically. But from my point of view as a guy who's never been there, like I was telling you last night, I'm an anthropologist as well. So I'm not only a skeptic. I'm also classically trained is like a fancy way of saying that. But I studied it in school. And so from that point of view, you approach Egyptology and you study, well, what does Egyptology actually say?

And you get it, I mean, a lot of these guys are pretty excellent. But when you look at, I guess from my point of view, when you look at the bent pyramid and you look at the chambers inside of it on the ceilings of the chambers, like I was telling you yesterday, they used, they think that it was the pharaoh Senephru, which there's a really compelling piece of evidence for that. It's not coming to mind right now as to why he built the pyramid of my doom, the bent pyramid, and the red pyramid, which the red pyramid is the first great. pyramid that's smooth that's like a perfect pyramid um so is that's the red pyramid that's the red pyramid

that's the red pyramid yeah it's the red pyramid in the deserts of dusshore and so you know people look at the three great pyramids on the geese a plateau so you have kufus pyramid koffrey and the minkure and so this is a lineage of kings but and you know those are like the straight sided pyramids with the casing stones there was one before that there was a perfect one right before that and it's called the red pyramid and it's made out of a a type of limestone that when the sun hits it's like beaming red and uh so maybe you can find some images of this yeah yeah how close is that to the geese plateau i think it's i think it's like 15 miles south of the geesea plateau or maybe it's like 50 miles south it's not you know it's it's it's kind of in that area but it's not right

next to it and we know that the red pyramid is older how i think that i think that they i think that they date it due to like biological material or natural material that was there that was carbon dated. Plus, you also have relative dating. So you look at like, you know, all throughout the ancient world, the reason that, so like according to classical archaeology, the reason that pottery and art is so important is because they will find somewhere they'll find pottery alongside a burial tomb in Egypt. And so you learn relative dating, right? So you learn that, okay, we can test this guy's body, the things that were in his tomb, look at the pottery, look at the art that was in his tomb. and so it's all relative dating

you're comparing things to each other but I should say yeah look this is a wild graph you can hover over it and it shows you so what are the numbers next to them there's like three two bent pyramids three two is the collapsed pyramid of meadum oh number one the pyramid

of doger yeah yeah is that the step pyramid yeah that's the step pyramid of Sakara so they're saying that's the first well yeah traditional edictologists think that the step pyramid of the Pharaoh Jojoujur, which was constructed by Emotep, is the progenitor of pyramids before that. There may have been pyramids before that that we don't have evidence of,

you know, maybe that they reused the blocks or, you know, Egyptians took down the blocks to build new monuments. But they think that that the step pyramid of Sakara or the pyramid of Jojura is the original. And that Senefru, who may have been his son or his grandson, son came in and wanted to build a perfect pyramid. So you see how it has the steps. He wanted to fill in smaller blocks and to give it a point on the top. And some of them have a capstone, but I don't know that Senephrus pyramids ever did. He wanted to come in and make it a perfect pyramid. So what they speculate with the bent pyramid, now I'll say again, Ben and Randall's evidence might be more compelling than what I'm about to say. So what they think, what traditional Egyptology speculates is that

the bent pyramid, you see how the lower side of it is more, it has more of a vertical incline. Well, they thought that maybe the way that they constructed, the inner chambers didn't, that the structure wasn't going to be sound enough if they were going to, I mean, because it's, it's, that's a, think about it when you're looking at the angle of how those, the lower part of the pyramid goes up, how many more blocks and how much more, how many more hundreds of tons of weight, thousands of tons of weight would go into that. And so they thought that maybe the inner chambers, well, traditional Egyptologists think that back then when Senefru and his architects were building it, they thought, okay, so these interchambers

are not going to be sound enough. We need something, we've already built the chambers, this is how tall the pyramid's getting, we need something else to bolster the ceilings. So they speculate that Senefru sends out an expedition to Lebanon and he gets cedar tracts. Cedars of Lebanon.

If you've ever heard of those before, some of the strongest trees in the world. And they transport these trees all the way from Lebanon, bring them down to Daschor, which I believe is where the step pyramid is, and then they bolster them into the ceiling. And so when people who study like archaeo-architects or something like that, architects who study ancient architecture, they believe that those trees were built into that pyramid. And so when that's carbon dated, it's carbon dated to about 2,600 BC. And so that's like, that's a, that's a really tough argument to get around. And then when you look at the construction of the step pyramid, it's very similar to the red pyramid.

And the red pyramid is like what the three great pyramids, what it looks like they're based off of. Now, I can go a little further than that. I didn't depict this last night. When you look at the sphinx, the sphinx is a super. compelling argument in my mind for for architecture that has been there for more than 10,000 years. There's a really great book by Dr. Robert Schock. Have you ever heard of him? His book is amazing. I've had a pleasure of speaking to his wife a little bit. His book is is such a compelling case and he feels that same way that the sphinx is really compelling for a piece of architecture

that's been around for more than 10,000 years rather than the pyramids. So what's interesting, is so the sphinx, I believe, is largely carved out of, at least the outside of the outside of the great pyramids. It's the same type of stone. It's all limestone. And so when you look at the erosion on the sphinx and you look at how much we know that the dynastic Egyptians were trying to repair the sphinx and eventually it was so old and unrepairable that I think around the reign of Akanaten, which is, this is like 1400 BC. The sphinx was built in about 26,000. 50 or 2560 BC. So about 1,100 years later during the Middle Kingdom, I believe, getting close to the new kingdom, a pharaoh comes in and decides to bury the sphinx. They completely, they bury it

purposely. They have like the dream stila that's put in there between the paws. That dream stilada was carved a thousand years after they think that the sphinx, that traditional archaeologists think that the sphinx was built. So anyways, they go in there, they bury the sphinx. But this is the problem. traditional archaeologists, Egyptologists say that the sphinx was built at exactly the same time as the pyramid of Koffrey, which Koffrey is the center pyramid.

On the great, so on the the, the great pyramids on the Giza Plateau, you've got Kufu's pyramid, Koffrey's pyramid in the middle, and then Kare. So Kufu is the father, Koffrey is the son, and then Kare may be the grandson or maybe the great-grandson.

And so the pyramid of Kofre that's in the middle, almost directly in front of that is the Sphinx, the Sphinx and the Sphinx Temple. But the problem with the Sphinx is when you look at the erosion inside that pit, it doesn't match up at all. Because what traditional Egyptologists say is that,

so they built it in 2560 BC, and over the course of the next 1,000 to 1100 years, those deep, erosional, markings that are inside the pit, that had to have happened within the course of a thousand years. Because they say that the sphinx has been around for about, I think, 4,500 years. And all of that erosion, there are geologists who go there. And when they just show them or geologists who have been there, they bring back photos and they show other professors. And they say, what does this look like to you?

And they're like, that's over 10,000 years of limestone erosion. And they're like, but that's, no, this is in the pit of the sphinx. So traditional Egyptologists are basically, I don't think they have a way of explaining this, but they're not going to admit that it could be much older than dynastic Egypt. But what they're saying is that what they're essentially forcing everyone to have to believe is that within that 1,000 years before the Egyptians, while they're trying to repair it, and then before they bury the sphinx, all of that erosion happened in that short little window. That doesn't make any sense.

But that erosion that we see there, we just don't see it on the pyramids. Like you don't, you don't see the weathering of those blocks in the same way that you see inside, that you see in places like the Sphinx Temple. There are some evidence of it at the Valley Temple. Like in Egypt, I think there's all kinds of examples of something that could have been there for more than 10,000 years. But I don't think that the pyramids are the best example of that. But then at the same time, whoever built the pyramids, like the argument that that, that they're making, which I have to agree with,

whoever built the pyramids was also capable of doing all these other things, like building, constructing the Serapium, the boxes, the diorite granite boxes that are in the Serapium, constructing the Osirian, the Osiris shaft, believe those are the correct names. It's just, just because we may know who built the pyramids, it doesn't answer.

how they built it at all whatsoever. And I think a lot of Egyptologists do that. They go, well, the evidence really points towards that it was the old kingdom in Egypt around 2,600 BC. So that's that. But then they don't, you know, they can't admit that we have literally

no idea how it was done. And I think Robert Schock is the one who found out that there's water erosion on the sphinx. Yeah. That it's actually not wind and sand. It's made by water. And it would make sense,

I don't know if that would make sense that there was no water erosion on the pyramids because didn't there used to be like huge casing stones like completely covering all sides of the pyramids? Yeah, there used to be, but on the Mancurae pyramid, those casing stones are still there. And they don't bear that same kind of,

they don't bear that same kind of erosion. But then again, you could argue that the pyramids on the plateau are higher up. They're quite a bit higher up in elevation than the sphinx. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, there's an incline, I believe. I've never been there to see it for myself, so I'm kind of basing this off of really studying it on Google Earth and looking at some maps. But yeah, I think like the plateau, it's raised up, you know. So, I mean, there's the argument that, that's, but then also, okay, so then you got to think about, so the pyramids would have been built in a time during the, it would have been built during a time when the Sahara was green. So if, So if the pyramids were built 11,500 years ago, 12,500 years ago, then it would have been built in a time when Sahara was green

and experienced much more rainfall. So you would see, like, you would see on the pyramids, you would see the devastating effects of erosion that you would see on the sphinx. Like the sphinx is completely destroyed by erosion and water erosion. But you don't see that on the pyramids, but maybe if they were still completely covered in the casing stones, but then again, at the top of the Coffray Pyramid in the middle,

those casing stones are still at the top. They never pulled those casing stones down. And I don't know that I've ever seen a complete study done on that, but I'd like to see, do those casing stones show any weathering that would be like, you know, it wouldn't have been experiencing rainfall for 12,000 years, but maybe from if it was made about 10,500 BC, it probably would have been experiencing rainfall for another Africa starts to dry up around 6,000 BC around the area it begins. So it would have been experiencing rainfall for like 4,000 years on a semi-regular basis.

It's probably possible that I think people have speculated too that the Sphinx is way older than the pyramids. I believe that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, and Robert Schock, I think he falls in that area too. I think that he's a little dubious about the pyramids, which I am as well. and I think Graham Hancock is too. I think, yeah, I think so.

What do you mean? I've heard him in some places say, I've heard him kind of concede that the pyramids might not be this like Atlantean civilization because there's a lot of evidence that stacks up that the Egyptians may have done it. It does not answer the question of how they did it.

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like I don't have my ego wrapped in this argument if it if it turned out to be an Atlantean civilization structure that was around during the younger dryest I think that'd be fascinating but I find it just as fascinating that yeah maybe you know for me the most compelling thing is like I can't get around the cedars of Lebanon that are in the bent pyramid and that's like man and that's the same kind of architecture as the other ones like how do we get around that maybe they were built in later but here's the problem if they were put into the bent pyramid it was done to prevent the ceiling from collapsing so we know that it was built in a way where it wasn't structurally sound so if it was built in a way that it wasn't structurally sound 12,000 years ago

it would have collapsed by now they i don't know that it would have survived all that time for the egyptians to then go in there and be like we got to put some like trees in here here and bolster up this roof and why would they have done it? I don't know. Can we find pictures? Do you think there's any pictures we can find on Google of the cedars inside the pituitarymen? You could try. That is a really, really tough thing to find. Now there's the expedition that's going there next year. Is that it? Expand it. Those might be, but I can't see it super clearly from here. It doesn't look exactly like the photos that I've seen, but there may be more

more than just one instance of them using the cedars of Lebanon in the bent pyramid. So, yeah, that's the red pyramid, I believe. That might be the inside of the red pyramid, but that might be the... Yeah, that's the inside of the red pyramid. If you keep going down,

it looks like there's a ton of stuff here. I would love to see somebody break down the cedars inside the bent pyramid, like the way... I haven't seen anybody do it before. Really? I don't think so, no. I wonder if Ben's had... to have done it. Because if that's a big

argument for the Egyptians building those pyramids, I'm sure Ben would have kind of would have looked at it and made a video about it. Well, kind of like what we were talking about last night. I know he's been inside of the Bent Pyramid. I will say again that the

Egyptologists think that from studying the construction of it. Now this would be something that next time Ben goes, I want to see him like dive into this because I'm not dogmatic in saying. It's just from my point of view diving into it, I'm like, yeah, it's a pretty compelling argument that these were made by the dynastic Egyptians. But I'd love to see somebody prove me wrong. I want to be clear about that.

Have you seen Ben's vases, the latest analysis they've done on those vases? Yeah, he did it. They compare all the different surfaces. Yeah, that's, some of that stuff is like inexplicable. I mean, there's no, there's no explanation. And I want to say that again, like, from my. point of view, I'm an anthropologist with a love for ancient history, okay? I love ancient Egypt and studying ancient Egypt as much as I love looking into these really mysterious

sites that could have been built, you know, during this, I call it like an Atlantean civilization, but whatever kind of civilization, this Ice Age civilization, I love both of those ideas equally. And there's a lot of stuff that we know that the ancient Egyptians did, that we still don't have explanations for. And yeah, what I think is super interesting about, I think that some of those vases that he has are from, I want to say they're like old, very early old kingdom or pre-dynastic. And so, Josir, nobody argues that that Sakara step, so this will be super interesting before we get into the America stuff.

I haven't seen anybody discuss this exactly. This is a real dilemma, I should say, in ancient Egypt. So the pyramid of the pyramid of Jojur, it's the Sakara Step pyramid, okay? It was constructed by Emotep. He had, in his necropolis, there is art and hieroglyphs scattered throughout his necropolis that show him in the afterlife, visiting divine sanctuaries and performing miracles. I mean, there are murals that I think now are in, like, Egyptian museums or maybe some European museums, you know, they take it out of there and move it across the world.

but they found all kinds of examples of funerary glyphs or hieroglyphs in his necropolis that show him. And then they say, and then they say, okay, so then after that, Senefru comes in, he's going to try to build a perfect pyramid. So he builds the pyramid of my doom or medium, and it collapses. It's known as the collapse pyramid. And then he goes on to the building of the bent pyramid, and he makes it too angular, it's too tall, it's not going to survive, in the middle, but he decides to finish it anyways, and he goes, you know what, this isn't perfect. I want to build one again. So then he builds the red pyramid. Okay, so then this dude built three pyramids. If you love diving into culture and comedy, like on Danny Jones podcast,

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his name into his monuments into any of the three monuments that he builds and dedicated his lifetime to. And then not only that, his son Kufu builds an even bigger pyramid, an even better pyramid, and then doesn't carve his name anywhere inside of it at all. There's no hieroglyphs inside of the pyramid. And then not only that, his son builds an even, I think that the center pyramid, the Coffrey pyramid might be a little bit bigger than the great pyramid. And he builds an even more grand pyramid and then builds the Sphinx temple in front of it. And then they say he constructed the Sphinx as

well. Nowhere is his name seen. Nowhere are any funerary text, any hieroglyphs, anything that's depicting this pharaoh who used so much of Egypt's economy to build this pyramid. And then not only that, his son did it too. So you have six pyramids built over the course of multiple life times where there's no hieroglyphs that and I mean pharaohs have to be vain people right I mean they're building this to be their tomb quote unquote and then they don't put their name anywhere that's a real dilemma in in Egyptology that Egyptologists can't explain so how do they come to that conclusion then I think it's all through relative dating this would be something that I could dive into but you know I specialize in ancient Americas but but it but it also

all through relative dating. So I think that there's very loose documents. Like here recently, within the last couple years, there's this thing that makes headlines that's like ancient papyrus found that proves how the pyramids were built. Did you see this? Yeah, it's called the Diary of Marare. And it ends up being like a ledger. It's like a log book of an ancient architect who is leading an expedition down south of Lower Egypt. So in Egypt, Lower Egypt is actually the north side, upper Egypt is the south side because of the way the river flows, the river flows north. Okay. And so back then, you know, they didn't know north and south, so they call it upper and lower Egypt. And I think I said that right. And so anyways, it's this guy named

Morair who's, he's probably some kind of chiefdom or something working for, working under the Pharaoh Kufu. And this is how, this is how scant the evidence is in ancient Egypt. This is the kind of conclusions that they make, which it's not wrong to make conclusions based off of this, but it's wrong to be so dogmatic. Like a lot of Egyptologists, the guys who are at the top of the ministry of antiquities, are insanely aggressive about their conclusions. Whereas like my personal conclusion is I think that, yeah, I think the Egyptians did build the pyramids, but I'm not aggressive about it. I would love for somebody to, like, I would love to be sitting here with Ben and Randall, and then they tell me something and I go, damn, you're right. And then I'll

changed my mind just like that. You know, I try to be like a pure scientist in that way. You know, I just love the subject anyways. I try to stay, you know, I try to have a lot of humility in what I'm talking about. So anyways, they find the Diary of Marare. And it's basically just a ledger or a logbook of he was bringing limestone, big limestone blocks back to a place called Kufu's Horizon. And so we know that Kufu existed. Like we know that Joja, Senefru, Kufu, Kufri, and McCuray, all these other pharaohs, we know that they, existed because they're written about, they're talked about in other places. But then the Egypt's logical community comes out and goes, oh, see, this is the diarrhea mirror. It proves how it was

built. Well, no, it proves that there was somebody on an expedition to pick up limestone blocks to bring it back to Kufu's horizon. But we don't know what Kufu's horizon is. A lot of people think that's the Giza Plateau, that these were blocks that were being brought to the Giza Plateau during the construction of Kufu's pyramid. And I mean, and some Egyptologists will tell you, like, with 100 percent certainty. I have literally no idea what exactly that means. It could be Kufu's palace. We assume he had a palace, you know, but that's never been found. And so there's just no way of actually knowing. But that's kind of how scant some of the evidence is. It's very loose. And we're also talking about, like, remote antiquity, you know, during the time of, during the time

that these pyramids would have been built at the latest date, say, you know, around 2,600 BC, that's still remote antiquity. I mean, like, there's not much that survives there other than giant megalithic architecture that can stand the test of time, you know? Now, what is the similarities in the construction of the pyramids in Egypt and the construction in the pyramids in Mexico and South America? Are they super similar? Do you think there are pyramids

that look like they were built around the same time? Well, there were certainly pyramids built at exactly the same time. The pyramids in Corral, so I have a, I got some photos of this, you want me to pull this up? Yeah. Let me turn on my laptop.

So, okay, so this is the valley of the pyramids. Let's look at Coral. So I might have to zoom in a little bit. Some of these photos aren't the best. Where is Coral again? Coral is central. Peru kind of on the kind of on the coast. It's in an area called the valley of the pyramids. Okay. So there's all these pyramids that what I'm about to show you, there are all these

pyramids that if I were to show you like, if I were to tell you this is an obscure site in Egypt, you would instantly believe it. I'm telling you, bro, it looks exactly like Egypt. Yes, it's shocking. Let's see if we can get these up. So, but a lot of these photos, like, there aren't people that are going out there taking photos of these sites with, you know, the kind of high resolution and great photo quality because people don't go visit these sites. You know, in Egypt, you could find a photo of damn near anything you want to find. As something as obscure as the Cedars of Lebanon in the Bent Pyramid, that's going to be tough because I don't think like your average person can get into the Bent Pyramid.

Ben can get his way in there, but your average person can't. So I'd love to see Ben talk about it because, you know, if there's a more compelling argument than what I'm putting up, you know, I want to hear it and I want to change my mind, you know, or I want my mind to be changed about it. Because I think it's super mysterious. That's super mysterious. But anyways, in ancient Peru, dude, yeah, I mean, okay, so let's say that Egyptologists are right and the old kingdom pre-dynastic Egypt are the progenitors of the great pyramid or the

progenitors of the pyramids in Egypt. Well, according to that chronology, about 600 years before that, Between 3,300 and 3,100 BC, ancient Peruvians were starting to build pyramids as well. Not in the same way, though. All right, so what do we got here? Okay, so these are the ancient pyramids of Corral. Now, you can kind of tell that the top layer is missing because of how much it's been eroded over time and how much it's deteriorated over time.

But most people have literally never seen this before. These date back to just over 5,000 years ago, about 3,300 BC to 3,100 BC. They're being created by ancient Peruvians, and they have these all over this little valley. Let me see. We've got another photo right here. I'm sorry, this might not be a Coral Pyramid. Here we go. There's two other pyramids of Corral.

Now, the resolution on them is unfortunately not that great because, like I said, there's just not a lot of people going out here to take quality photos. This is something I intend to do over the course of my career, like publish a lot of studies as well as just good photos and videos and drone videos of these places. Now, I want to say there's around 15 to 20 of these pyramids that predate the official time of like the Old Kingdom in Egypt. And what's interesting about these sites is that when archaeologists go in there, the few that actually go there and spend time studying these areas because this is arid i mean this is this is a three-hour drive into the middle of nowhere in peru in the middle of the desert and what they're

finding here is that these ancient peruvians somehow were well i mean they were obviously aware that earthquakes were a regular thing and so sometimes you see structures out here that are completely that they're about the same size of the as these pyramids but they're completely collapsed and so some of the stones are left over but a lot of the stones get reused used. And so they're right here, we see ancient Peruvians working on building anti-seismic structures. So anti-perth would be, um, would be anti or earthquake proof structures. And so they're doing this by like, have you ever seen people build structures using like, uh, concrete bags or bags that are full of rocks or something and they build it up? And then they don't take the rocks out of the bag. They just use, it's like a,

the bag is like an artificial brick that's full of rocks. That's kind of what they're doing here. This is like the beginning of Peruvians learning how to build anti-sizemic structures. And so I guess what happens here, and I'm not super, super familiar with the way Corral works. I'm much more familiar with, you know, these giant megalithic sites that we'll get into that they, that are in Inca territory. May it not been built by the Incas, but this is kind of where traditional archaeology says that ancient ancient, Indian culture, ancient South American, Peruvian culture is learning to build anti-sysmic structures. So this is going on at exactly the same time that Jojur and Emotep were alive.

So yeah, this is kind of the beginning of that. Which was about 5,000 years ago? Yeah, so Jocher and Emotep, I don't think anybody disputes when they lived, the reason being, because at his necropolis, it says that was him. You know, they're the hieroglyphs that are there. It's just it's amazing that like the grander pharaohs that come after him There's not like hard evidence that they actually existed you know it's just writings about them But yes yeah this is this is happening exactly at the same time and a little bit before The construction of the Sakara necropolis in Egypt basically exactly the same time

Okay And the rocks that are underneath these things are They are they just very soft stones? Yeah, so how do they actually seismic? So So I think here they're not, maybe there's like a strong foundation of some kind here. But really that evidence comes later on when you get to what they call, well, they call it like the Tijuanau culture, Chauvin de Hantar culture or the Chivine culture and then the Inca's, which the Inca's is tough. So what you're talking about is now I haven't gone to see these in person, but this right here, this. This may be Alente Tumbo or Saksay-Waman. Similar architecture, but you see this massive block down here to the bottom, to the bottom right.

A normal person, so I'm about 5'10. I'm not even half as tall as that block. Wow. And another maybe fifth of that block is under the ground. but the foundations beneath these structures, it's like a soft foundation of smaller rocks. So you would think, like, have you ever heard of the Temple of Jupiter at Belbeck, Lebanon? Yeah.

Did they talk about that on their shows? No, we didn't talk about it. So the Temple of Jupiter has these, I think it has the biggest artificial blocks on the entire planet. So one's called like the Stone of the Pregnant Woman, which is like sitting in the quarry. but there's actually another one underneath it that's even bigger. So these are estimated to be 12 to 1,400 tons. And they think that the Romans built it, but there's not very good evidence that the Romans built it.

And if it wasn't the Romans, it wasn't anybody before them. So that's another compelling argument for a structure that's been there for, you know, 10,000 years potentially. I mean, this is just something that's completely inexplicable. And the civilization that they say built it, it's a hard argument to make that the Roman, Romans built these stones at Bailebeck. But anyways, so the stones of Baalbeck, they're actually not the foundation.

You would think that these massive stones are the foundation, but they're not. There is a giant solid foundation there, and the stones are put on top of the foundation. But when there's earthquakes, it cracks the whole thing because it's completely solid. Well, here, somehow these ancient American, ancient Indian cultures realized that having a solid foundation would crack and basically destabilize the entire structure. So they build these massive, I'm talking about, these are some of the massive, some of the most massive stones that are used in the entire planet, except in case for places like the Temple of Jupiter at Belbeck. I don't even, I'm not even sure that in Egypt you're seeing blocks that are this big.

And these are made out of, these are made out of granite, I believe. some of them are some of them are basalt but a lot of these are granite so the these ancient andean cultures are using exactly the same type of stone i'm not sure that there's examples of diarite there may be ben may know something more about that i'm not sure that there's examples of diarite but they're using the same stones with the exact same hardness as what you're seeing in ancient egypt so they're building these on soft foundations and so i think i think this is the same site from a different for an angle. So, I mean, some of these are as, some of these blocks are as big as a vault wagon. And, and then more of the block goes underneath the ground. And beneath that is a soft foundation so that when there's an earthquake, that entire structure will shake and move and settle back into place. And in between these blocks, so let's, let's take you to, here's, here's a tower at Machu Picchu. Maybe this was an astronomical tower, but there's not really like a, so what's

interesting is I believe that that's one window. And you can see how it has the knobs on them. Those knobs are seen all throughout the world. And nobody quite knows why this, so the knobs are like another pretty compelling argument that a lot of people really dive into. These knobs are seen in Egypt. They're seen in Baalbeck. They're seen in ancient China. They're seen in Mexico. they're seen all over the planet on these giant megalithic stones. And I wouldn't say that these are giant megalithic stones, but these are huge stones and these are made out of granite. And as you can see, there's no mortar in between them.

They're perfectly fit to each other. So these were master stone masons. What were the knobs for? Do they speculate? Well, I would think that a reasonable guess would be somehow to move these stones. But what's interesting is that they're not on edge. every stone, but knobs that look exactly like that are seen all throughout the world. And there isn't really a, there isn't really a definitive great explanation for what they were used. You would think

that maybe they would have some kind of rope that they would tie around it to use as leverage to be able to move the stones more easily. Right. But there's no, there doesn't seem to be a systematic way in which the knobs are carved out onto the blocks. It's almost, it's very random. It's, them. And I don't think that this is, it's obviously not natural. So that's, that's one of the, that's one of the more compelling mysteries that ties a lot of sites around the world together. And an interesting thing about these sites is that they have construction, well, these are some of the scoop marks. Oh, whoa, yeah. Yeah. So, so these are some, this is some evidence of, of like, scoop markings, almost where like the block is, it's like, I've seen it described as like,

if you were to stack a bunch of if you were to stack a bunch of cinnamon rolls in a microwave and heat them up and they swell up next to each other, well, there are legitimate archaeologists like Dr. Ed Barnhart who's a mentor of mine who he thinks that these blocks

may have been somehow melted into each other. And... Well, this is the geopolymer theory? Well, no, I don't think, I don't think that he, I don't think that he believes in the geopoly polymer theory. I think that that's based in like

like they were liquid and poured into place. Right, like cast. Yeah, yeah. This is a little bit different. This is a little bit different. So what he thinks, and I don't have, I don't have any photos of what I'm about to mention, but there's evidence of roads that are coming from these massive megalithic Peruvian sites, such as Machu Picchu, Kusco, Peru, people think of it as a modern-day city.

But it was one of the, it was one of the citadels, one of the capitals of the Inco world. So the Inca, whether they built these. sites or not, knew that that was a place of importance. That's an ancient city. Cusco is. But the modern day city is built on top of it. But every time there's an earthquake, the modern day city falls down and the megalithic ancient city still sits there. It's been surviving this entire time. That's actually happened two other times. In the 1650s, the Spanish, you know, they arrive in Cusco. They melt down all the gold. The Inca were master goldsmiths. So they had these giant gardens with life-sized trees, life-sized llamas, animals that were in there, all made out of gold. And the Spanish chroniclers

that were there, they write down that it was some of the most majestic sites that they'd ever seen. Well, Spain's in a really tough place economically at the time. So the Spanish, they melt down all of the Inca gold. The insides of their temples are lined with gold plates. and they have a they have like a it's like a it's like a golden almost like a giant coin of some sort and I believe it survived but it depicts their god the fanged deity which we'll get into because that leads to all of these ancient Peruvian civilizations that people are fascinated that guys like Ben are fascinated by Graham Hancock is fascinated by all of this is connected to a civilization that's never been found that exists in the Amazon but hopefully we'll get into that

at some point but anyways So the Spanish, they tried to cover up the city of Kusko. They take down all the gold, all the Inca gold that was there. They take it all down and they tried to dismantle these, like the city that's built out of granite that's there. Then they can't do it. So then about in the early 1600s, they just build their own city of Kusko on top. You know, the Spanish, they've killed off all of the native Peruvian people or enslaved them or whatever. Now they're all indentured people living around.

So the Spaniards that are living there build their own city on top, well, a massive earthquake comes in. And the ancient city of Kusko is built on a soft foundation that allows it to move and roll a little bit. And then it settles back into place. And there's not mortar that's going to crack and separate and allow the blocks to fall out because the blocks are placed perfectly together. So the entire Spanish city of Kusko falls and then the original megalithic city is underneath. Well, then they build it again. and then 300 years later in 1950, another, you know, like class 9 earthquake comes in, knocks the whole city down, and then the ancient city is still standing there.

So, yeah, it's pretty amazing. So, no, this theory that Dr. Barnhart proposes is not a geopolymer theory. What they found is they found archaeological evidence of ancient roads that lead out of these sites like Machu Picchu, Kusco, Soxay-Waman, Alente-Tumbo. And there are roads that go out of these sites and from places like Chauvin de Hauntar. Have you ever heard of that? So Chavine de Hauntar is, we'll get into that. And then from Tijuana.

Tijuanau is a big mystery. Ben's got a video on Tijuanau. Right. I believe Arthur Pazananski is the archaeologist who he was the first guy that proposed that Tijuanau is of great antiquity, you know, up to 12, 5,000 years old. But they have found ancient roads that are leading out of these sites into the desert south of, into the desert south of these civilizations, into the deserts of Chile and around the area of the Nazca lines. And so in there, there are these acid deposits. And these acid deposits, scientists have proven that these acid deposits can melt and fuse granite.

and that ties into what yeah that ties that ties into a lot of the local legends that the indigenous people have said about the area that that their god like used acids to mold clay to build people and so what they're finding

and this is like a frontier of archaeology there's only so many people looking into this and Peru is a Peru and Chile they're not very wealthy countries and the very last thing that gets money is archaeology so this is kind of this is like this is like the outer edge of archaeology that's being studied right now. But there are like acid wells and acid mines that

are in the deserts out there that have acid that's powerful enough that many archaeologists believe to fuse these granite blocks together. And that literally ties into exactly what the local Tijuanau people who still carry on their culture from these sites, that's like exactly the oral legends that they believe. And oral legends is like, you know, a lot of, a lot of dogmatic archaeologists, especially in the old world. In the new world, it's not like this. In the new world, people really value what the locals say because there's kernels of truth in there that are vital. It's the heart of what people are looking for. And so, you know, like the story of Atlantis, that's based on it. That's based on an oral legend. You know, that's based on what, Plato told

his students that Solon, you know, had passed down to him that Solon visits St. Anthony Egypt in in, what, 600 BC? And they tell him that 9,000 years before the civilization was destroyed. That's 9,600 years, boom, that ends up aligning with the younger dryus. There's something there, you know, regardless of what any scientists want to say, there's something there. An oral tradition, a lot of times ends up being correct. So oral tradition in this case alludes to some kind of acid being used to build structures and there's somewhere in there, which we know this isn't true,

but that their gods use these acids to mold clay to build human beings as well. which also ties in, which is like similar to the Christian story of how we were made from the dust of the earth. And that kind of ties into like the white god Veracotia who was in South America that whisked people out of the dust of the earth and everything. It's, it is really interesting that as you study this, you start to see like, wow, that Veracotia in some ways kind of sounds like old world gods, you know. And so there's some loose connections there that I don't deeply study. but you pick up on a lot of these things and notice some really strange similarities. What do you think about that Veracotia guy?

I read a lot about that in Graham Hancock's book, but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone talk about that outside of his book. Yeah. So Veracosha is an interesting character that hasn't been fully figured out. But he's known as a lot of different things. Veracosha, the white god, the weeping god, the staff god.

But my mentor and I, Dr. Barnhart, we refer to him as the fanged deity. That's something that he kind of coined, and I'm tagged along with it. And so the fang deity, I think I've got some... Dr. Barnhart came up with that? I think that's the term that he coins for it. God, those scoot marks are insane.

I'm trying to find the... Aha, here we go. So here's... This is an example of the fang deity. I have some other examples in there. So they say that this was varicotia? Yes, it appears to be the same god. So this is...

like the, this is kind of similar to like a sun disk that you would see in Egypt, but it's like a disc that depicts a fain d'i if you look close, he has, he has fangs. Right. And so what's interesting is what's kind of some revolutionary ideas that come from the ancient Americas is that, you know, people think that monotheism, the, the worship of one singular God comes from ancient Egypt when Akhenaten declares himself the one true God Atten. But that's, you know, that's 1400 BC, well, way before that, the ancient South Americans were worshipping one god. And it was the staff god, Veracotia, the fang deity. All that is the same person. Known as different things throughout different civilizations. So yeah, I think for sure he existed. Is that all made out of gold?

Yeah, this is all made out of gold. So this is the gold. A lot of this is kind of the gold of El Dorado that the Spaniards were looking for. And I'm going to see, I think I have some other photos of this somewhere in here. Ah, here we go. I think this is like a gauntlet that's worn around your arm. You can really see the fang deity clear here. Oh, wow. Now, this is found at Chavine de Hauntar, which is where, according to some of the archaeological

evidence, this, I believe this is the early, the earliest, this is around 1,000 BC, maybe a little bit before that. this is the earliest evidence i actually have it written on here of how old chavine de hantara is um yeah so 1200 bc to about 400 bc we know that that is when these guys were populated and now their culture very likely from some from some scant evidence of like um some scant evidence of of oral tradition, biological material and religious cultural material that they found kind of going in a little bit further into the Amazon. They see like the remnants of a culture that's coming out of the Amazon and it ends up in Chavine de Hauntar, which is an ancient Peruvian site. And then

these guys are worshipping this staff god, this, this, this, they call it like the staff god. Some people call it Veracotia. It's easier to call it the Fang deity because, because every time he's depicted, he has fangs. And even in Tijuanau, which Arthur Posnanski, which Arthur Posnansky theorized was, you know, as old as 12,000 to 5,000 years, or I'm sorry, 12,000 to 15,000 years ago, there is a giant statue, like a monolithic statue that's standing there.

And so if you look at some of these depictions of the fang deity, and some it's easier to see than others, like this guy right here I think this is called the Ramundi Stone so you can see he's got fangs he looks like some kind of I mean he's a fang ditty

but he's grasping what they think are stocks of corn and so corn was vital to ancient South Americans and Central Americans and what's interesting about that corn are maize is what it was known as in Central America so that was the that was vital for their life

it was immensely important So every time you see a cultural religious statue that's going to be an ancient Andean or ancient South American culture, it's almost always going to be a fanged god grabbing onto stocks of corn. And so that was their god that they worship. There's all kinds of stories like in ancient Peru. There's an oral legend that Veracosha came down and told the people of the area. Now, this is a legend that we don't really know the oral. origins of it. But they say that Veracosha came down and he met some people that were on like the beaches of Peru and he told them to flee to the highest mountains. And I think there's a name given for the

mountain, but I can't think of it right now. And he tells him to flee to the highest mountain. He's going to flood the wicked world. And so there are people who they all flee to the highest, they all flee to the highest mountain and this massive flood comes in and destroys all of the civilization around them. The people come back down and Veracosha comes back out from the jungle and creates people out of the dust of the earth, almost exactly in the same way that you hear like God in the Garden of Eden. He's walking in the garden, he's walking in the forest that's there and he creates people out of the dust of the earth. And I should say that before that there's a story that Veracotia appears from the forest and he's weeping because he's been walking through the forest witnessing these evil people.

and he's like a light-skinned white man is kind of what it's referred to. Like Nordic-looking? I think so. And but they knew about these lighter-skinned people before Spaniards ever arrived. So it's an interesting story. But yeah, he comes out of the jungle and he's weeping from all the evil that's in the world. And he tells a group of, like a small group of good people, kind of similar to Noah's Ark. Flea to the top of the highest mountain.

I'm going to flood all of this. So they flee to the top, they flee to the top of the highest mountain. they have all the provisions that they need there to survive supposedly, and then when the flooding subsides, they go back down and he comes out and creates new people and civilization emerges again. So there's a lot of really interesting stories about varicotia. The hard part about ancient Central and South America, which is really what I've been focusing on for a few years now, is that a lot of these, you know, when Spain showed up, they need needed to establish complete dominance over the cultures that were here.

And so they did that by destroying their oral religion, by destroying their oral traditions, their religions, their legends, all of their writing. Like we haven't gotten into Central America yet, but in Central America, we know that during the time of contact, there are records that the Aztecs were producing about 480,000 copies of paper. So they were producing this paper before the Spanish ever arrived. In a year? Yeah, I'm sorry, 400,000, 480,000 copies of paper in one year.

And they were writing on all of that. And they wrote densely. And so we know that the Mesoamerican writing system goes back probably three to four thousand years to like proto-Olemic times. So we know that the Olmec were writing at least a little bit. But there's not a lot of research that's done, and it's really hard to find these sites because they're so old. They're in the middle of the jungle. They get covered up really easily, like the soil deposition causes things to sink, quote-unquote, into the soil much more quickly. But we found evidence of ancient writing that goes back three to four thousand years in Mesoamerica.

So the Aztecs are like sitting on the shoulders of giants, right? I mean, they've got, you know, in fully-fledged writing systems, and they're riding down their history. Well, what's really interesting is we know that the Maya were doing that more so. The Maya were more sophisticated, more educated. They had a, they had a rain over Mesoamerica that lasted, you know, two to like three thousand years. And so that- Give me the official timeline of the Maya. Okay, so, okay, so I'll tell you. This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew.

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Back to the show. So, Proto Olmec, like when Olmec, culture is starting to come to fruition, you're looking at like maybe the very, very beginnings is 2000 BC. So not that long after the Great Pyramids in Egypt are built, right? Are the Olmec the first civilizations that we're aware of in South and Central America? Not South America, but Central America. Central America. Yeah, yeah. So they begin at about 1600 BC is when we start seeing some megalithic monuments, these giant heads that are like the size of this entire

table to the taller than the ceiling, you know. Made out of basalt. Yeah, made out of basalt, however you pronounce it. And, and so... How do you pronounce? Is it basalt? I've never heard anyone say basalt. I call it. I say basalt. Yeah. That's what I heard when I was there. So, but yeah, so they're made out of basalt and that's when we see like the pyramids of Leventa and the necropolis of Leventa. And that's when we see all of these sites being constructed. I'll pull up some Olmecs up real quick. So here's one of the heads being excavated. So these heads weigh anywhere from about six to 40 tons.

Jesus. Yeah, I guess now it would be a good time. So let's go Olmec, Maya, Aztec. And so the Olmecs, these guys exist from about 1,600 BC until about 300 BC. So they have a really long rain of their reign in Central America. And these guys, they seem to establish the idea of divine kingship all across Central America. So this idea that kings are gods, like they're the descendants of gods. The Maya then picked this up later.

And so these guys are constructing. So here's one that's under the ground. So when this was discovered, I think this head was discovered in the 1800s and then it was officially excavated. Like this photo is probably the late 1920s. and so you know maybe just the top of the head was was uncovered but it's really tough to find these sites and I think right now and where is this exactly this is in I believe this right here is Veracruz Mexico Veracruz Mexico yeah so the Veracruz Mexico just like the top of the heads was left uncovered if if even I'm not sure the exact story I'm not sure if it's exactly

recorded as to how this farmer his name was Jose Maria that found this head and I'm not sure if the story is recorded as far as what he was doing to find it. Like in Gobeckley-Tepi, that was found by a farmer as well who was out there. I think he's trying to cultivate his land. He hits these, I'm not sure what they're made out of maybe limestone or something, but he hits these structures and then uncovers it. Farmers find stuff all the time, all over the world. Here's another one.

I think this may be the same head, so they've flattened out the area. They've excavated him. and then that may be Jose Maria posed next to it the guy who found it and then here's another head that was found so are they connected to anything are they connected to bodies? Are they just heads?

No, it's just a head as far as far as we know. And is it obviously they were moved by something? They were... Oh yeah. Oh, this is crazy. This is literally the exact same mystery that we see in ancient Egypt, okay? These guys establish themselves alongside the biggest rivers in their areas. So the reason that

dynastic Egypt is so powerful is because they were able to cultivate a massive flowing river that was like a very powerful river and they were able to learn how to cultivate the land around them. They were masters at cultivation and they built massive empires just because of the Nile. The Nile was the source of their life. These guys had the exact same thing. They had two different rivers, and they harnessed the production of maize, which maize is like corn is everything to Central and South Americans. They harness, they harness maize, and so they had all the wealth of Central America at the time that they reigned. Now, what's really interesting is these, all of their wealth, all of their riches, everything that they had was totally based on what gave you life.

So they had access to the water. They had access to the food. They were able to farm. These basalt monuments, their jade artifacts. So in Central America, these people weren't mining down far enough to mine gold out of the ground. But they could get jade. They could get like other precious stones. So jade was seen as gold to them.

All of their precious artifacts that we find in their tombs do not come from Olmec-Hartland. They come from hundreds of miles away. or in the case of in the case of the olmec heads the basalt comes from uh up to about 50 miles away the problem is it's not 50 miles away uh along just like it's not along a river it's not a straight path it's through jungles mountains and rivers there is literally no evidence as to how they were able to move these and it's it's almost exactly the same mystery as in the king's chamber of the great pyramid we see the rose granite that are in there. The rose granite stones weigh anywhere from 20 to 80 tons. And in the ceiling, some of those columns are like 80 tons apiece. There's no explanation as to how they were moved from

the Aswan quarries, which are 500 miles south in Aswan, Egypt, up to the, up to the Giza Plateau and then carried up into the pyramid. This is damn near the exact same mystery because they had to be, they were mined out of the, they found the quarries, just like the same way they found that Aswan quarries in Egypt. But they were, they were mined out of the volcanic belt of Veracruz. And so like basalt is like volcanic rock. And so they mined out these giant boulders. Now, what's interesting is they believe that these were carved on the site that they were found. So they were carved when they arrived. So you may, you may pull up like a, like Lventa Olmec altar. If you just look up Olmec altar, you'll see it. In here, you can see that there's chunks of this

missing. And so there were these giant boulders and then they carved them out. So, I mean, you're looking at monuments that weigh anywhere from about 10 to north of 50 tons when they're moved. Okay. And they're being moved through the jungle. They're being moved through mountains, swamps and rivers. And archaeologists just, yeah, yeah. So any one of these first ones. So you can see that it has like a lip that comes over. And so imagine all of the weight that was in The stone, that's a really cool thing that we'll talk about in a second. There's Catamundi's in there. There you go.

Yeah, okay, so look at how far the lip comes over. Imagine all the weights that used to be on the stone before it was all removed to... You get what I'm saying? So imagine how heavy that was. Now, this, I just did a video on this. I want to say this is about 32 tons. So the original block I'm going to estimate is near about 40 tons. And, dude, there's hundreds of these.

monuments, hundreds of them all over the Olmec Heartland. And how do we move them? Oh man, it's an arduous process. Like they've they've tried to move. You need cranes to move 40 tons? Do you need a crane to move 40 tons? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need you need a crane to pick it up to put it on a truck that can lift it. But what's really interesting is they were moving like Toltec monuments in in like northern central Mexico up kind of near the US border. They were moving these monuments and the trucks were breaking down because the trucks couldn't handle the weight. So this is similar. This is very similar. So what they say is that, oh, these were balsa river rafts. And so balsa is like a type of wood there. And they say, oh, these were balsa river

rafts that move these. But there's a huge problem with that. My mentor, Dr. Ed Barnhart, he goes to, he goes down to Mexico with a nautical engineer who's really interested in this. And this guy studies it. the weight of him and he creates like an, it's like an algorithm spreadsheet type of thing where you can you can insert a hypothetical size of your OMAC head. So on average, the smallest one is six tons. The largest one is 42 tons, okay? But that's, but that's not including all the weight that was on there before the head was carved out of the stone, right? And it was transported before it was carved because they found the remnants of like, where they would like chip a block of, of the basalt often would fall on the ground, those remnants are still there and they're able to,

like, they can say, okay, this piece of the stone was put here, so we know that this head was carved right at this spot. That makes sense? Got it. Got it. Do they have evidence of tools they used? No. No.

This is another mystery. But basalt is a much softer stone. Like, if you and I had adequate chisels, we could chisel this stuff out. How do we move it, though? that has never been proven. So they say it was done on balsa rafts. So this nautical engineer that's traveling with Dr. Ed Barnhart, he creates this algorithm where you can insert the hypothetical size and weight of your

of your hypothetical Olmec head. And then he was like, he was like, how big does the balsa raft have to be to actually transport it? What he found is insane. I've never seen anybody talk about this before. So these rivers that are in the Olmec heartland, Some of them are like truly massive, wide, long rivers.

What he found was that even if you made the raft 50 feet long and 50 feet wide, it's so big that it couldn't make it all the way down even the narrow parts of the river, if you put a five-ton Olmec head on a raft that's bigger than the river itself, it would sink the raft. The smallest head is six tons. Well, there goes out there. So how do you move the 42-ton La-Cobata head? So the biggest one, you might could look this up too, the La and then Kobata-Mek head.

And so what's interesting about him is he's the only Olmec head that has his eyes closed. Oh, click on the one where it's a person standing next to it. There's a diagram on there. Oh, there's a person's sitting next to him. So some of the Olmec heads, I was taller than them when I walked up to him. 5'10, I was taller than the head. I could like barely see the top of the head. Think about how tall this guy is. I mean, he's got to be um, nine, 10 feet tall. And so there's no explanation. It's interesting. You don't see the perfect cemetery that you see in Egypt. No, no, you don't see that. Um, what you do see, though, is that

the, the quality of, of jade polishing and their, they make, uh, I think they make obsidian mirrors in the Nomechartland and these are these were found in the 1970s and or maybe the 1980s I think 1981 and they're not really published again after that I haven't seen any modern photos they're probably sitting in a cardboard box at the bottom of a museum somewhere the mirrors that they made rival the reflection and polish quality and symmetry of any other mirrors that were being made in the world at the time they were making them out of out of like obsidian but it's like it's like it's like it was just never picked up again no they they they They found it. They said, wow, that's really cool. And there's only one photo I can find of it is a guy. He's holding it in his hand. He takes a photo of it. And it's a reflection of himself. But it's like the worst photo I've ever seen because it was taken in 1981, either at night or inside of a tomb or something. And so yeah, but you don't see not an Olmec architecture. Okay, so stop right there, go back. So these are the column tombs. Now, this is interesting. I didn't know about this before I visited Leventa. And so I stood like right there next to that column tomb. I showed this in my.

most recent video lost knowledge of the Olmex on YouTube. So these columns come from the same basalt quarries that are in the volcanic belt of Veracruz. And these columns are used to create like a, it's like a caged tomb that they would bury their kings inside of. And these columns weigh half a ton to two tons apiece. Even these, if you tried to transport these, would sink any of the balsa river rafts that they proposed were used. Just one of these columns right here? No, no, no, no, no. But if you try,

like, like I'm thinking, I don't know what, maybe half of those, they put on one boat, you know, I mean, you put half of those on one boat and then you sink the boat, you know what I mean? How could these things have been transported? There isn't an explanation, and it's not like the, it's not like the Mexican, you know, Institute of Archaeology tries to hide this. They just don't have an explanation for it at all. And in some ways, there's kind of the same attitude of like, well, we don't really know how to explain it, so we're just not really going to address it at all. You know, a lot of the same mysteries

that are in Egypt that aren't addressed, it's kind of the same thing here. There are a lot of archaeologists that repeat the explanation of how these were moved on balsa rafts, and they all quietly know it's wrong. Did they have the wheel back then? They did have the wheel, so what's really interesting is so there's a misconception

that ancient Americans did not have knowledge of the wheel. Like they say that, well ancient americans they they didn't have the knowledge of the wheel um but they also weren't able to you know they didn't have the knowledge of the wheel but they also weren't able to move megalithic giant monuments with the help of beast to burden so beast to burden is going to be like a horse or an ox something that you would strap you know something heavy to and have that quote unquote beast to move the object for you well they didn't have horses before the spanish arrived they didn't have ox before the spanish arrived they didn't have these these

you know, animals that they could kind of enslaved to do their work for them. Now, and then they say, and then they say, well, then they say, well, then look at the monuments that they built. How did they do all this without the wheel, without knowing about the wheel, without these beasts of burden? Well, what adds to the mystery is that they did know about the wheel. There are children's toys in Central and South America that are made out of like a little llama or a jaguar, and you can roll it back and forth. So like the child's toy of an animal that's on rollers on wheels was created in Central and South America. That does not come from the old world.

Like we would think that that would be like a Western type of thing. No, that comes from ancient American, like ancient Central and South American children's toys were used as wheels. So they knew that you could make something to roll. The problem is, where are you going to roll it here? It's swamp. Like, where are you going to roll things here? You have dense swamps.

There's not even, like if we had a car and we dropped a car right in there, you could drive the car about five feet. You know, before, before Westerners came in and chopped everything down and built roads, you might be able to drive a car five feet and then you have to stop. There's no reason to have a wheel in this world. But then that's the big thing. Those giant boulders that I showed that are in Peru, dude, some of those are on top of the mountain at Machu Picchu. And that is like a straight vertical ascend.

I'm trying to think of the the original explorer who quote unquote discovered the site. He's like the first guy that officially documented it. He was ascending up on foot and he fell down and rolled like 20 feet because it's so hard just to go up on foot but you have blocks there

that are taller than the ceiling 12 feet wide, three feet thick made out of solid granite that sit up on top of this. I mean it's just dude I mean in some ways when I talk about stuff like this I'm like no wonder people thought, people think aliens did this. Now, I don't think aliens did it. I think it's all

human ingenuity with maybe, maybe there's some kind of a truth to humans being aligned to some kind of higher power of some sort. That seems to be, that seems to be a religious trend in Central and South America. So, so in the Amazon, you know, there are people all the time who go down there and they take ayahuasca and they have experiences and encounters with, um, and beings that other people have other people say that they've encountered as well um now this is getting in like real fringe stuff but you know sometimes sometimes i think about like our very existence and how enigmatic it is and i think like it would make more sense if there were beings that were higher than us i don't mean aliens but i don't know i mean maybe something spiritual but you know look at what

ancient cultures did in the name of their gods all throughout world history they were all into psychedelics They were all into plants that could put you in a, I don't know if you call it a higher state of consciousness, but a different state of consciousness. And they all, they all, you know, have accounts of interacting with these beings. And sometimes I wonder, you know, did these ancient people, I mean, clearly they were aware of something that we weren't aware of. One example I saw just this morning, have you ever seen these videos of tribes when people explore in the Amazon? sometimes there are videos even today it's becoming more popular um there are people there are people who will go down into western peru like probably near where paul rosalie is and they'll go uh out into the jungle and they'll get real close to these tribes and they'll have these cameras that like with these long

lenses and they're watching people and sometimes the tribes people will see them and they'll they'll just sprint off in the jungle and disappear well they're the same thing is happening in papal new guinea have you You ever heard of that island? Yeah. It's a little island like in Indonesia, that area. And there are tribes out there. And when they sing as a group and when that, it's like it's like the hymns that they have are connected to something that's different than like we're so, it's like our spirits

in modern day, in the modern world are so dead. They're connected to something beyond, like something natural is. what I'm trying to say. They're connected to something natural. And when they sing, you can feel it in your soul that what they're connected to do is something natural. It's like the jungle and the nature and the world is singing through them. You know, and I, we could look this up. Is it one ever recorded these? Yeah. I mean, I saw a video of it on TikTok this morning. And you hear, you hear the song and you're like, all the comments, all the people are like, this is something different. Everybody who listens to this, recognizes this. Now, this is getting into like a little bit of

woo stuff that I don't actually really talk about unless it's a conversation like this. because I can't prove it, you know, and I want to be like a respectable educator. But, you know, I mean, yeah, I really do think that there's a very spiritual aspect. Where can we find it if you wanted to look for it? Oh, man, if you just look up... Only on TikTok? Yeah, maybe on YouTube if you looked up like Papa New Guinea, indigenous person singing, I don't know, or Papa New Guinea native person singing?

And are they, can they get up close to these people or do they... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're nice people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, click on that first one. There we go. When they walk back, they sing through the forest. Whoa. That's amazing, isn't it?

They're making all those background noises too. Yeah, yeah. I think the guy on top, he kind of adds onto it a bit. But when they walk back, they sing through the forest. But imagine an entire tribe singing there. Yeah, what that... So the context behind that first one that we, the context behind the first one that we listened to

is what he, what the guy on top is doing his microphone is he's mimicking when an entire tribe of those guys get to get together, they still produce music that sounds like that. There's a guy who's the low, there's a guy who's the high, there's a guy who's doing hymns in the background. And when you look at that indigenous Papua New Guinea guy, you know, he's probably not aware of a lot of the,

quote-unquote, scientific, advanced things that, you know, Westerners know about, but that guy's tapped into something on our planet that's natural and that was meant to be here and that wasn't polluted by our Western, like, selfish, vain, progressed society that also destroyed Rome. You know what I mean? Like, there's something very natural out there. And so when I study ancient civilizations, I see, I see some evidence of, I mean, certainly there's evidence of psychedelics, but certainly evidence of people that were tapped into something that was beyond us. Like one evidence that you, one thing you could look up is look up where jaguar. It's like a werewolf, but just jaguar instead of wolf. It's in the, and then put Olmec. So this idea of a

wear jaguar and this is something that I haven't seen Dr. Barnhart talk about, but this is a, this is kind of getting to my own theory is there are stories of people who do ayahuasca and and other like strong hallucinogens in the jungles of central and south america and they see jaguars like during their um during their trans and and uh and some people even turn into like a jaguar they're like seeing through the eyes of a jaguar or like possessing a jaguar becoming that and so you know some of the some of the ancient central and south americans believed that when they were seeing a jaguar they may have been seeing a god seeing their ancestor seeing a um like a wizard somebody who is who's possessing like the spirit of a jaguar.

So they start, yeah, do the jade mask that's one from the right. Yeah, that one. That's just a really good depiction. So they have, I'm talking about hundreds of these, dude. And so they really believed that their shamans were becoming jaguars, that they were connecting with the nature world around them. Now, what do you see that's similar to this that you see in the Fang Deity? It's almost the same thing.

I mean, it's, the fang deity is, is very likely a Jaguar God that ruled over South America. And the evidence shows, like relative dating, cultural evidence, biological evidence shows that somewhere in the Amazon at some point, I mean, this could be, this could be 8,000 years ago, this could be even 30,000 years ago, because they're finding, they're finding caves in the Amazon that, inhabited 30,000 years ago, way before people thought that people were supposed to be in the Amazon. And so the Amazon is very likely, in my opinion, the fertile crescent of high culture throughout Central America or throughout South America and then it carries up to Central America as well. Where have they found these caves exactly? The southeastern side of the Amazon. So you know, a lot of the archaeological work that's done

are on sites that are kind of on the edges of the Amazon. People don't go directly to the center and start, you know, doing excavations. So they kind of start on the outside and go in, but, you know, they may never make it to the center of the Amazon. It's like two million square miles or something crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's almost impossible to traverse. But there's one archaeologist, his name escapes me right now, but he has been down in the Amazon his entire life and has found multiple cities.

and these are cities that are made out of earthen mounds. So like, and he's in the same area. He's on the western edge of the Amazon, exactly where Paul is at. And the thing about it is you're not going to go out into the Amazon and find stone structures in that part of the Amazon because it's all clay on the ground. So what they would do is they'd have these buckets and they'd build like earthen mounds and pyramids in the Amazon. And they would build these canals to each other. and they build these raised streets so that, you know, it rains so much so you can walk on a road without it being flooded. They also built their houses on top of mountains, and they built their gardens and farms on top of mounds.

And then when it would rain, the little canals and aqueducts that they would build, they had these little boats, and they would sail to other cities in the center of the Amazon through artificial rivers that they had created. And these cities are being found all over the place. I'll show you. I have a couple photos here. Now, what have they carbon-dated things inside these caves? To say that there was people there 30,000 years ago? Yes.

Yeah. So in this cave, in the cave I'm talking about, you could look up like 30,000-year-old cave found in southeastern Brazil. So here's one example of these cities. So what they found is like on the surface, there's not a lot to see. But all throughout this entire area, they're finding evidence of homesteads. But a lot of these homesteads were just built out of wood, right? I mean, they were like they were wood, thatched-roofed homes. giant settlements full of millions of people. And so you can see these, you can see these depressions.

What's thought is that these were kind of like moats. And so they held water and it allowed the water to slowly seep over onto the center area to like feed their crops. The Egyptians did the, they did exactly this, this exact same thing. And then they would also have these little boats that they would sail to. So they have these giant straight lines that go all the way across the jungle. and like the lowlands on the outside of the jungle where there's where there's not trees. And they could sail to other cities just on these little rafts in the middle of the, in the middle of the jungle. Now, what's thought is that these may just be satellite towns that are on the outside of the Amazon rainforest. And that somewhere deeper in there, very likely, I mean, LIDAR is already showing that these exist.

We're very likely going to see bigger earthen structures, like massive giant pyramids and stone structures. as you get away from the western Amazon where it's all clay, you get closer to the center and closer to the eastern side, you're going to find more like stone in the ground. And so they've already done LIDAR scans that show in the Motto Grosso region of like southeastern Brazil exactly where Percy Fawcett. So in his expeditions in the Amazon, his first expedition, he was trying just to map the river, I think to establish a border around like Brazil and Bolivia. I think that was his first thing. And then when he was there, he had grown a distaste for the aristocrats that were in England who looked down on native people in the Americas. And he grew to love the native

people because he saw something in them, kind of like what we're talking about, that guy in Papua New Guinea, his people are connected to something else. There's something else. You know, he was like one of the first guys that realized that the way that they cultivated, the way that they built their cities, the way that they cultivated their crops was all mathematical in nature, that they knew about math, that they knew some things about special things about science and geometry, about tracking the sun. They had like calendars as well,

which are not calendars, but they had clocks that they would build into the ground where, depending on where the shadow was, they could tell what time a year it was and when the next seasons were coming. And he was a guy who maybe not was the first person to actually discover these things, but he popularized them.

And so he's at his horse dies. His horse dies and then they like eat his horse or whatever at this place called dead horse can't. And he writes a letter back to his wife that says he was like in the area that I'm going down now in the model grocer region or whatever. He's like very likely I'm going to find the entrance to Zed, which is this lost city that he's looking for, which aligns to some of the oral traditions around there that like there were people all throughout South America. there were probably multiple of these massive cities full of lots of gold and wealth because, you know, he's hearing about this, man, I may be mispronouncing this for getting the name entirely wrong, but there was a city called like Zuputli, something like that, and he just called it Z. And then there's also the story of El Dorado, which is on the northwest side.

So he's on the southeast side. So there's multiple stories of these cities that sometimes get jumbled together. Like people think he was looking for El Dorado, but he wasn't. He was looking for a different city with its own legend. So he descends down into the Motto Grosso region of Brazil goes missing. Nobody ever sees him again. 97 years later, they run big LIDAR scans over that area and they find a city exactly in the area that he went missing. And it's complete with a step pyramid.

It's complete with its own temples, its own city grid layout that they speculate may be aligned to certain constellations that are in the sky, which would have meant that they cleared out. the land that they lived in. Like, they chopped down all the trees so that they could study the stars. And they found aqueducts and highway systems that lead deeper into the central part of the jungle. But, you know, you need the money to fly these planes. Like, it's not as easy as, like, you buy a drone that has a LIDAR camera on it because those are crap. Like, you need a LIDAR camera on a plane that costs like $50,000 to take it out for one mission. And I just don't think that there's the money there. So that was...

just over a year and half ago that they found that step pyramid and nobody has walked there today nobody has walked out there they haven't sent more lidar drones out there but they know there's a massive highway that's going straight off into the jungle definitely to another city but it's so dense and it's so remote and it's so far out there that nobody is crazy enough to do it for free you know what i mean because the Brazilian government they've got their own things going on they're not really worried about, like, what are they going to do? A big part of if these places are even going to be explored and excavated is can they make a tourist site out of it? You know, can they bring people in to come look at it in the middle of the Amazon? Hell no. You know, it's impossible.

You'd have to build a massive road straight through the Amazon to bring tourists there. You know, people who advocates for the Amazon literally do not want that to happen. I don't want that to happen. So it's, yeah, I mean, that's a frontier of archaeology, but very likely the origins of South and Central American religion and culture come from somewhere deep inside of the Amazon. That's in a city, civilization that's never been found. Is there anyone out there that speculates that some of these stone structures or any of these things that they found have been,

they were made before the Younger Dryas? Oh, yeah, yeah. So when you're looking at, okay, let's go to, I'll look at, let's go to some, Let's go to Megalithic South America. Okay. So this is an artist depiction of what the site of Tijuana may have looked like. So Tijuanau is an Indian culture that lived in Bolivia.

Now, we know that the Tijuanau people of about 180 to 180 lived at this site, but there isn't a lot of evidence that they are the ones who constructed it. Now, these are some of the, these are made out of, out of Andesite, which I don't think Andesite is quite as hard as granite, but it's, but it's close. I mean, these are very, very giant blocks. And look at, look at the, look at how big the, the stairs steps are. In that center temple, that gateway, that top. Yeah, yeah, look at the, look at the, the blocks that are on top. Those are kind of reminiscent in my mind of, of the roof of the King's Chamber. Getting something like that up there, I mean, you're talking about, like, we would need a crane to do that today. Are those, are those walls and the ceiling around that doorway? Are those separate pieces? Or are those one solid piece? No, no. So you can, it'd be easier to see it on my computer, but, so the walls are, the walls are like multiple columns and the ceiling is multiple columns. So they're like rectangular columns that are all stacked together.

Okay, got it. And then also here at T. Winanko, you have some of these H blocks. So this is some of the really bizarrely intricate monuments that there's no explanation. Like, were these for walls, were they foundations? Nobody knows. They're so scattered. Look at that. I mean, how, how as a stone mason does somebody do that? And I go on like, I'll read in all kinds of forums where architects, oh, and do you see on the top of that? Do you see like the little groove that looks like it's kind of like a notch that goes inside.

Yes. So what they speculate was that they were melting. This civilization that did it was so wealthy that it was melting gold and silver together to act as like, I'm trying to think of the right word, but they were hinges maybe. It would be the right word to hold the blocks together. Yeah, so they were melting silver and gold in those little grooves to keep the blocks together. And then what are these geometric designs for? Literally nobody knows.

And when you get down inside the stone, so like not on the outside, but when you get down inside the stone, all of this, all of these things are perfectly symmetrical. How do you, how does somebody do that? These are eerily similar to a lot of the things that we see in Egypt as like the Serapium boxes, the, the how well those are carved. This is eerily similar to that. It reminds me of it. And you look at how, so here's another example, but look at how scattered this is. What, what? What? What? What was all of this? You know, are these parts of buildings? Are these foundations? Are they walls? They certainly don't look like it. What is the purpose of all this? Oh, you see those two H blocks?

You see the foundation that they're sitting on? Yes. That entire foundation, I haven't been to this site to look at it, and I hope to go next year. But that entire foundation weighs about 165 tons. And it doesn't come from that area. not like bedrock. It was transported from somewhere else. So this, so Tijuana is a truly bizarre sight. I could, got another example here somewhere. Yeah, Tijuana Puma Punku. This is the, this is the gate of the sun. But look at,

somewhere on here. I think I've got it. Oh, here's the, this is the staff god, the giant. So he's got, they're heavily eroded, but he's got fangs and he's holding stocks of corn. But this is the staff god as well. So this guy, this god likely goes back thousands and thousands of years, whoever this is. I have a better photo of this somewhere. What were you about to ask? No, I was just going to say, like, it's so frustrating that there's not more effort

and more money put into understanding this stuff. Dude, yeah, man, you're 100% right. It's like you could redefine every. thing. Yeah. You could, you know, it would question everything, you know, even down to like the existence of mankind when you look at this stuff. But if the lens our society looks through stuff is commercialism, consumerism, war, money. And this is just, we're too far down the road already to like rewind and actually say like what could we actually discover if we put millions and billions of dollars into really understanding what this is.

Okay. Yeah. So you want to get into talking about discovering something. So, dude, there is so much left to be discovered. Now, first off. Like one of the, sorry to interrupt, but like one of the things that really, really blew my mind about those serapian boxes in those pyramids is that this guy named, you know, Chris Donne, he wrote about in his first book, he looked at those serapian boxes and how perfectly symmetrical

they were cut out and polished. And he asked like the biggest granite company, the biggest granite person, the biggest granite production company in the United States, what it would take to recreate that. And he said it would be over $250,000. And he said after they even got the permits and paid like, he said it was going to be like $50,000 just to haul that stuff out of wherever they quarried it from, he said they would never in a million years cut it out of one piece. They would cut all the walls out separately and bolt them together.

But those boxes are all carved out of one solid stone. Yeah. Just the amount of resources it would take for us to do today is unfathomable. That you saying that, there's something exactly like that in the Maya world. Will you look up the sarcophagus of pacaul? Pekal is spelled Pekal. So the sarcophagus of Pekal, it was found in the temple of inscriptions in Palenke. It's a Maya city.

I was just there in January. And so, oh, dude, I'm so glad you said that. We have a whole other rabbit hole to go down. Okay, so Palenke. You can pull up that first. So this is a cast of it. This isn't the actual thing because it's still inside the tomb today.

But I stood here. This is like a life-size replica cast. Dude, I'm telling you, this thing right here, it's seven feet tall, 10 feet wide, 15 feet wide, 15 feet across, carved out of one solid piece of limestone. Okay. And it has hieroglyphs all the way around the side of it that tell the story of the Maya gods of Palanke. So, so this, this exists in Palanke, which is Chiapas, Mexico.

Now, the city itself existed from about 1,000 BC to 700 AD, and there's like a mysterious collapse of Maya civilization. And that 1,000 BC estimate, it could go way from. further. There's, there's evidence off in the jungle that, that there's, it goes back further. So this is really, this is really interesting because on the inside of that, it's not a completely hollow box where Pekal's body sits inside of that sarcophagus was, was carved out perfectly to be the size of his body. That entire sarcophagus is solid. So imagine they find one of the Serapium boxes that's an actual, I mean, what do they say? They're like cow sarcophagus or something

like that. Something like that. Yeah. Well, I think they found cow remnants in there. Yeah, something along those lines. But, um, so, so they're like carved out on the inside. This thing is a solid block where like the lid is, the lid is cut off. Like it, how they cut the lid off of the top of that. And then they carve out a crevice on the inside that's perfectly the size of Pekal's body. And it's like outlined to be the size of his body. And so they place it, it's so heavy that they place it on the foundation of the pyramid and build the pyramid. And it's like a mid around it. So it's, this is like, this is one example. But what's interesting is, is this moving these megaliths in the Maya world. One of the reasons that, that the Maya world doesn't get as

much love as, you know, places in, in South America, like, like ancient Peruvian sites, like Machu Picchu, and then, of course, Egypt, you know, you have all these megaliths, which are, you know, blocks that are the size of this table that we don't know how they moved it. What's really interesting is, I mean, dude, you're not going to find this published anywhere. This is private conversations between archaeologists that work in Central America and only things that they know about. There's not like a popular mouthpiece that's voicing all this stuff for the world to know about. So this kind of, you know, I would consider that a monument, okay? That giant of a monument was not common in the Maya world around the time that Pekal was alive.

So that's about 600 AD. It wasn't common. They weren't doing that at all. This is a one-of-a-kind thing. What's really interesting is deeper into the jungles in the most remote areas, places that there's no photos taken of these sites. These are things that I want to visit over the next coming years. The further you go deeper into the jungle, the older the sites get. They can date that by pottery.

They can see how Central American, Mesoamerican pottery evolves over time. So when you find pottery in certain places, you can go, oh, it's this type of pottery. comes from this area. They know that because they found that kind of pottery in graves, right? The deeper you go into the jungle, the older the sites get and the bigger the blocks get, just like ancient Egypt. The older it gets, the bigger the blocks get, just like in, seems to be just like in South America. The older the sites, the bigger the blocks get. So deep into the jungle, there are places that there aren't photos taken of these sites. I just did an interview for my YouTube channel. This hasn't come out yet.

Maybe it'll be out by the time this episode comes out where I asked Dr. Barnhart, and I kind of knew this a little bit, but I ask him, you know, one reason Maya architecture doesn't get the love that it deserves is because there's no megaliths. Do you know of any examples of it? And he goes, the short answer is yes. The long answer is they're at the oldest sites that are in the most remote places deeper into the jungle. And he was like, so if you're out in the jungle and you discover a Maya, so that, yeah, that's the inside of the, that's the inside of his tomb. So, so. So that entire tomb would have been covered in like beautiful red cinnabar, like blue Maya paint, which they don't know how they created the paint yet.

That whole thing is like one complete solid monument. But that wasn't normal. That was a replication of older Maya architecture, largely that isn't photographed. Like at some places in Pekal, when they dig down underneath the, or in Palenke, when they dig down underneath the city, they do see, I haven't seen this place on any official studies, but I've seen people just go in with their cameras and underneath the structures, they're a giant stones. And so these Maya cities, much like Chalula, have you heard of the pyramids of Chulula? Chulula, we know was populated. I think it's like, I think Chalula is the

most consistently populated city on the entire planet. Like it's been, from the time that it was built, it's just been populated the whole time. how far back they dig, people have always been living there. A lot of Maya cities are the same way. There's a pyramid. The next emperor or king built on top of that, builds on top of that, builds in top of that. So the more you go to the center, what's weird is that those blocks are bigger and bigger and bigger that you get to the center. But they're older as well because it's not the same. It's not like one king built the foundation and then built everything out and the blocks got smaller. It's the first king used the most massive blocks. And everything else that came after it was,

much more inferior. So way out in the middle of the jungle, just to show you an example. Here, I'll show you guys a photo. This is how little that we know about the, the, like, some people call it, like, the jungle of stone. That's like what the Maya jungles are called. About 25 years ago, the city of Palanke, which is what we're seeing, aerial view right now, this is like the most grand city of the Maya world. About 350, about, about, 350 structures were actually mapped and identified and put on display. And all of those that you're seeing are in this photo right now. Some of them are kind of covered up by tree tops and the way that they break down the structures may not be super conventional. Now, Dr. Ed Barnhart was hired to go through

this area and map the entire area, I think from 99 to 2002. And so what he found was that what was on display was like less than 10% of the entire city. The actual entire city is this entire square of jungle that most people had never seen before when he walked out there. So what's on display when you go there today is this. The entire city is all of this right here. And those 300 structures that were on display, to give you an idea of how packed Maya civilization is,

those 300 some odd structures that are on display, that's what they'd known about. By three years later, by the time he was done mapping it, it had gone from 350 to 1,150 structures that are in that tiny little area. So, and there were structures, so this main palace right here, this is the royal palace. This right here is the temple of inscriptions

where that megalithic tomb sarcophagus was found. there was another structure out there that I'm going to go to probably next year when I do my expedition to Yashiland, which hopefully we touch on. I'm going to go back out there because there's another structure out there that's bigger than the palace that's sitting in the jungle. And he saw this? He mapped all of it. He mapped it all. He mapped the entire thing. And when I say mapped, I don't just mean like, oh, this is here, this is here.

He mapped every angle, every staircase, the height of every pyramid sitting on top of a staircase. He mapped the foundations. He mapped how far, like, I'm talking, I have a picture of it right here. This is, this is the map that he made. Whoa. So where's the temple that's out of the woods? So do you see, do you see the yellow ones? That's what was on display.

Okay. The rest of it is everything that he discovered. How long? This took him three years? It took him three years. Yeah, it took him three years and he did it twice. He mapped the whole thing twice. No fucking way.

Yeah, and what's crazy is so you see the blue streaks. Those are, those are artificial aqued, Those are canals that they dug into the ground to be able to funnel the water, to channel the water through the city. So they had their own plumbing. They had fresh water that could flow next to their homes. They had pools. I mean, I'm walking in the middle of the jungle, dude. There is a house, like your regular residential swimming pool is sitting there in the middle of jungle, still being funneled full of clean spring water.

So that's me inside of an aqueduct. So they lined, they would dig these, you know, so I'm 5'10, that's probably 10 feet tall or so. So they built a foundation, walls, and a roof for their underground water systems, like these underground caves. So you can be walking through the jungle, and they go on for miles. Like, see, all of these blue streaks? These are all artificial aqueducts. And so the one that I'm standing in is probably somewhere out here off to the, no, no, no, it's somewhere out here, actually. and so I could walk through that for miles.

It's a tunnel full of clean water that's flowing that's flowing under the ground. That they artificially created that because they were like, no, I want to build my temple over here. So we're going to take this stream and we're going to build an artificial river all the way over here. And then we'll build it all the way down here because, you know, it has to go to another stream at some point. So it goes back into circulation. So they build it where it connects to their home. and then the water would flow through their home down to some other river. And it would connect back to the main source of water.

So you're walking through the jungle and you start hearing rushing water and you look around, you're like, what the heck? And you look down and there will be like these limestone blocks. And look at these blocks, too. There's no mortar in between them. Of course, these things are heavily eroded. I mean, heavily eroded. You can see what water and rain has done to them,

how much is softened down the sides of this limestone. But you're walking through the jungle and you hear rushing water. You look down. you see a block, you scoop out like some of the dirt and moss, shine your flashlight down, and there's a river under an artificial river that's encased in limestone blocks rushing underneath you. These are found, like, dude, you could be, I could be walking through the middle of the jungle and a perfect way to, like a, a way that I could find a city theoretically, which is something I want to do someday, is I could be walking through the jungle and one big sign is

you got to keep looking at the ground. and when you see blocks that are placed artificially, you may not be actually at a city. You may be standing above an artificial aqueduct that will lead you straight to that city. So theoretically, instead of trying to follow the roof of the aqueduct back to the city, you could pull off those casing stones that are on top, jump down on the aqueduct. You know, look which way is it flowing? It's flowing this way? Let's go this way.

And you could walk underground straight to a city in the middle of the jungle and come out right where I'm at, boom, inside of a city that no one's ever seen in the middle of the jungle. And to give you an idea of how, oh, here's a pyramid that I jumped down inside, or a temple I jumped down inside of. So these structures out here get sunken so easily due to soil deposition and how much it rains. So what I'm looking at right now, this right here is the roof of a temple. But I thought it was an underground chamber when I first saw it. So I jumped down inside and you can see, like, look at how symmetrical the,

interior of it is. I mean, it's trapezoidal and everything. And I had to put my, I had to put my hand up. So this is a tall ceiling. So I was thinking, oh, this is super cool. This is an underground chamber I just jumped into. Well, I get back home. I start studying, I start studying Maya architecture. These, this was never built to be underground. This was above ground. And the ground has risen all around it. So this, so this temple was completely underground. Right. And it's not like that happens to all, structures, it's just kind of depending on where, like, how is it sitting on the hillside? It's a case-by-case basis. So I thought that was pretty cool. This is me standing in front of a temple in the middle of a jungle. So this is the temple of Lady Sakkuk, who was Pekal's mother. This isn't

on display for like regular tourists to go see. You have to actually just walk straight into the jungle to go find it. So Dr. Barnhart took me here. This is in January. What kind of animals are out there that you got to deal with? Yeah, so I'm getting to that too You gotta come for like fully armed? You can't be armed because they don't let you have guns or anything like that So I have a little folder here for a lock and don't Okay, so the biggest thing is a ferreterlant snake

Can you see a ferdolence in here? No, I don't see sure Yeah, yeah So here's the next one can you see the furtile ants in there? I see it there, yeah, yeah, yeah And then, wow And then so so that thing is super fucking camouflage.

Yeah, yeah. This is like, it's the most overpowered snake on the planet because it would be easier to see if it was a solid black snake, like a black mamba. But this guy is dark and light brown with very dark brown

with a very, like some dark brown patches that make it look like leaves. So it looks like dirt with leaves on top of it. And they're ambush predators. So they'll sit in one spot all day long and they don't their like their fighter flight, they're going to fight. They're going to strike at you multiple times. So they sit down,

coiled in a spot underneath all the foliage, and you're walking through, boom, bite you on the ankle. These guys are so venomous, so much more venomous than snakes in North America. You have to get medical treatment. There's just no way that a westerner is going to go down there, get bitten by a fertilance, and if you don't get medical treatment, you're not going to live. However, there are people in Guyana in the Amazon so that's the northeast Amazon and there are there are Peruvian indigenous people again this would be something interesting if Paul knows anything about this there are Peruvian people who have been bitten by fertile ant snakes and they don't go get treatment because they just can't afford it whatever reason they go back they go back to their

village wherever they live they do their herbal remedies or whatever kind of indigenous remedies that are, you know, that they have, they live through it. And same thing with rabies. They're ancient Peruvians who have been, I guess they've been getting rabies for like thousands of years. They've learned, they're, either their immune system has learned to defend them from rabies or they've learned like these indigenous cures that modern day scientists just haven't gone in to figure out, like, what are you guys doing to cure rabies?

But yeah, I mean, like your average person getting bit by a ferretelance in the middle of the jungle in Central America. I mean, yeah, you've got to get immediate medical treatment within, you know, just a few hours. If you want to save the limb that's bit, if it's your finger, forget about it. You're going to lose your finger. Probably no matter what. To, you're probably going to lose your, you're probably going to lose your toe. So, you know, when I, like, when Paul says, maybe he was on this podcast, he says, he was like, he's like, you take off your, you take off your heavy boots and your weak little pathetic feet and you start walking through the jungle.

and I'm thinking like, man, that's brave. But I wonder if the people who have been living out there. So like when I'm in this area, it's the Maya people that I'm around. Dude, they're walking around in sandals, barefoot. They're through the jungle, no big deal. And so I wonder, you know, there's got to be some kind of, there's got to be something that they're tapped into as to how they walk around the jungle, how to be safe.

A guy like me, some gringo romping through the jungle, I'm not going to think about that or even be aware of it. but this is one of the dangers. Feridilance, I would say, is like number one natural danger. Your other danger is going to be a jaguar, but if you're going in with a group of people, a jaguar is not going to do anything to you. Like in Belize, near the site of La Milpa,

this is in northern Belize, the program for Belize. It's like a really uncharted area of the jungle that's being studied. When Dr. Barnhart was out there, there was this young girl who was like a runner. And so people were like, don't go running down the roads by yourself. and she didn't listen to them. So she ran down the road and goes down this little path

to go see this temple that they've been excavating on their own and then she's going to run back in the morning for the breakfast. Well, there's a jaguar inside the temple when they go there. And so she like sees the jaguar

and she starts slowly walking back and the jaguar stalked her right behind her on the road all the way from the archaeological site back to the camp. And then when there were more people it runs off in the jungle. Wow.

But a jaguar would maybe be a threat, but more realistically, definitely, not just the fertile ant snake. I mean, there's like rattlesnakes and stuff that are out there that can get you. And if you get bit, you should go get treatment. You shouldn't stay in the jungle, you know. Tell me what you told me last that about rattlesnakes. Yeah. So there's a big myth about, well, and I mean, I don't know that it's necessarily a myth, but it's like, you know, if you get bitten by a rattlesnake in like a a meteor part of your body, you know, like a fleshy part of your body, like your calf or your thigh or something like that, you don't necessarily need to go get medical treatment.

You can survive that. You can take like multiple Benadryl a day and sleep it off for a week. I mean, cowboys were doing this back in the, you know, back in the wild west. They were getting bit by rattlesnakes and they would have to sleep it off. And our rattlesnake wasn't a death sentence. If you got bit on your finger, you're probably going to lose your finger. You know, you get bit on your toe, probably going to lose your toe. There are certainly people who died from rattlesnake bites.

A lot of people are allergic to their venom. but if you're not allergic to it, you're a healthy, fully grown male or female, you're going to live. You're not going to die. A ferdelance or coral snake bite is going to kill you. They're like three times as venomous at least. So in North America, we're pretty safe from snakes other than a coral snake. You don't want to get bit by a coral snake. But they have little tiny mouths and it's unlikely that they're going to bite you. How venomous are coral snakes compared to fertile ant snakes? I believe basically exactly the same. I think a coral snake. I think a coral snake. snake is like, I think a coral snake is just slightly more, like maybe a couple percentages more venomous, but not nearly as dangerous. Like if you look up most dangerous snakes in the world, the coral snake isn't going to be on there. If you look up most venomous snakes in the world, the coral snake will be on there. But a coral snake, you can pick one up in the wild and hold it. You basically have to like press it against you to get it to bite you. You know, you really have to do something, you have to either be really unlucky or very negligent. Like I've seen videos of people playing

with coral snakes and then they get bit. But it's not nearly as dangerous as this guy. Probably a rattlesnake is more dangerous because a rattlesnake is more likely to bite you than a coral snake. So, but yeah, I learned this when I went through EMT school two years ago or three years ago when I was still in college.

And that was like one of the big myths that our instructors taught us about. Really? Yeah, and then one of my best friends, he actually pursued EMT more so. Like I never officially worked. I went on some, like you have to go through your rotations where you're actually working on the ambulance.

But he went through, he actually worked for, I don't know, I think it's like six months as an EMT. Saw all kinds of stuff. Saw all kinds of snake bites. And yeah, every single person at the hospital, every person working there, all attested to the fact that a rattlesnake bite won't kill the average person.

It'll just, it's like a, it's like a black widow bite. you're going to have a fever of like 106 degrees for three days and you'll get over it. It's not going to kill it. Even if you don't get the anti-venom, it won't kill you. Nope. Just Benadryl and get some good night's sleep. Yep. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you can survive. In Central America, no, you're going to die, you know. So that's a real danger out there. Now, the other dangers. Yeah, you brought up that, you brought the scene from that movie, The Lost City of Z where the guy gets bit, right? Oh, Apocalyptic. Apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, like, yeah, apocalyptic. the Aztecs are chasing that poor Maya guy through the jungle and they go around this tree and there's a giant fertile lance there. So fertilants, they range in all different sizes. So you can have little small ones or you can have some that are like eight feet long that are super that are super thick. But the attacks don't usually come from giant fertile lance snakes because they know that just a strike will be enough, like a dry bite will be enough to get you a run away.

Smaller fertilant snakes are really scared. They're not mature enough. They haven't lived that long. They're going to give you all of their venom. And so there are rangers in Costa Rica. Like Costa Rica's were by far where the most snakes get, by far where the most people get bitten by fertile ant snakes. And yeah, I mean, there was a ranger out there who died in 10 minutes after getting bit by one.

But I would fair to guess that he was allergic to the venom. I mean, that would make the most sense to me. Then there are people who, they don't get their bites ever treating, but their leg dies. and the necrosis sets in and it becomes like this black piece of charcoal bone that's attached to their body. The rest of their body will get over it

and will survive, but that leg is gone. So there's a wide range of what could happen. Some of the other dangers going through the jungle are wild boar. You don't want to get gored by pigs that are out there, although I don't think that that's that common. You know, of course, Jaguar, Puma, are out there as well. They're more aggressive than a jaguar.

Jaguar is going to usually leave if somebody's out there. They're very elusive. Apuma is more likely to be to stay and be around human beings and defend its home. Although I've never seen one. I've never seen the Jaguar either. And another danger would be killer bees that are in the jungle. Oh, you talked about this last night. Yeah.

And so, you know, I think the way the story goes is they're trying to make very docile bees. So they take, they take your average honeybee. They take your African bee. Both of them are very docile species. They try to breed them together. Who tried to do this? I don't know. Some lab in Central America or South America.

Probably Central America, I think. And it may have been multiple. I think it was people maybe all across the world that were doing this. But I think that somewhere it didn't work. And this is either in Central or South America. And these Africanized honeybees, which is what they're called, escaped this laboratory and now they're roaming through the jungles like like many different brigades of these uh africanized honey bees roamed through the jungles in in packs of millions and

you for some reason they're not as like docile as the honeybees or the oh yeah yeah they're like bees from hell yeah they sting and attack you and will relentlessly attack you and they'll chase people for half a mile like you can sprint as fast as you want to and for half a mile they're going to be right there behind you chasing you. They'll get up under your clothes, crawl in your skin, sting you however they can. Say this is a problem that could arise. So say I'm taking a team into the middle of the jungle outside of Yashilan, which is what I intend to do. I've got some photos of it.

And so say I'm taking people out in the middle of jungle at Yashiland, and you hear this, like you hear this millions of Africanized bees. Is that thunder? Oh, what you're suggested to do is to run and dive underneath the bush because I guess, you know, for some reason, these bees don't want to get inside. Like, they're not going to swim around in the thick bush to sting something that's underneath it, right? They're not going to come that close to the forest floor. Well, the problem with that is if you run and dive underneath the bush, that's where a fertile ant snake likes to sit. or that's where any other type of snake likes to sit or spiders or whatever you know something bad could happen to you diving underneath that if i were to run if i were near a river you know

that's what i would think of doing i would think of talking in the water so there's the osama center river that's right next to it um it's a it's a big river that that is the border between mexico and guatemala if i were to just like say this happened right as soon as i walked into the jungle and and we get attacked by by africanized honeybees um you could run, dive into the water and you hope to stay underneath the water and swim away and you come up at a place where the bees aren't there. Well, the bees are going to, they're going to hover above the water and watch you. They can smell your pheromones or whatever coming off of your body, your hormones. They follow that and they will watch you underneath the water and where you pop up again, they'll attack you again. The other problem is the Osama Sinter River is infested with crocodiles. You know, and crocodiles are not alligators. So crocodiles will

intentionally hunt people. They stalk people. They hide next to local villages and they will stock one person for weeks at a time and they'll see their routines and everything. They'll see, okay, this person's going to come. I mean, they don't know what they're doing, but this person is going to come up to the river at this day and time and that person's probably washing their clothes or getting, you know, water that they can boil for fresh water, whatever they need to do. And so they will watch that person and they will basically plan or premeditate their kill. And then they go up close to the shore. They sink down to the bottom just underneath

where they think that they can't be seen. If somebody comes out there, they come out, grab the person, pull them into the water. And usually it's like young kids. Like I think these are more leady crocodiles, so you're looking at like 10 to 12 feet long. So not the biggest crocodiles. But it's a crocodile.

It's not an alligator. You know, the alligators that are out here in the Everglades. You can go slap an alligator on the tail, and it's going to run off. But crocodiles are not that way. So you go run into any swamp. Like that could, you know, you could think like, oh, well, that's just a river. What if there's a swamp or something nearby?

No, they're there. They've been there for the last 80 million years. It's just death everywhere you go. Yeah. In the Amazon and in the jungles of Central America, it's amazing that a civilization actually arose there that was as widespread as the Maya were. I mean, these are people who they had a perfect understanding, more so than the Greeks and the Romans, of our, like our, not our place in the cosmos, but the cyclical nature of the cosmos and of the way that stars move, the way, you know, where the moon is going to be in the sky. I mean, they worship Venus. And to be able to worship Venus requires a significant, like, understanding of astronomy. me. They would build their buildings. So this is something I've never seen anybody talk about. The temple of the, the temple of the sun in Palenke was built by Pekal's son. It's right behind the temple of inscriptions. And every single, so there's an opening, there's a single door that opens up. And the, the temple itself is built according to the, it's built according to like the sacred geometric number of, what is it, 1.6.8?

I'm sure Randall mentioned that. It's built perfectly according to that. And so the way of the Maya did that was they would have ropes that were like cords that were a certain length. And they would stretch it up, half it. And then they would build their structures according to that. They got that from these local flowers that are in the area. And you see these flowers all over Maya temples. They realized that the flower was like a perfect geometrical shape.

and they built their buildings along to the geometry of flowers. And so, like, it's common for Maya people to say the flowers are in our houses. The flowers are in our buildings. But they don't realize, some people today don't realize they're referring to sacred geometry. That goes really in depth. But the temple of the sun is every single aspect of it is built perfectly. And as the sun moves over the temple all throughout the year, where the shadows align inside of the temple, along every single column, even the back side corner of the temple, as the sun aligns,

the priest that goes to in that temple can figure out exactly what day of the year it is. So the temple itself is like a calendar or a clock for our solar system. And it's amazing the things that they were able to accomplish. In the middle of a jungle where the environment was so harsh, but yet they had all the resources that they need, it's totally counterintuitive to. what old world archaeology says about why civilizations are born. Like along the Nile, along the Tigris and Euphrates River in the Middle East, and then the Indus Valley where you have the river that borders India and Pakistan. So those are like your three great fertile crescents of the old

world, which all happen after the time of the younger dryus, the northern Africa, the Middle East, and the Indus Valley, they all dry up over the course of like four or five thousand years. Civilization starts again. But it starts along these river valleys, Nile valleys, and people have to come close together, so they build up, right? Well, in the Maya world, I mean, they didn't have to do anything at all. They didn't need, they did not need to build. There was no actual reason to build the city of Polenke that I showed you. It's just pure ingenuity, pure creativity. However, maybe there's some kind of psychedelic aspect to this. They're taking a lot of, uh, they're taking a lot of the same substances that we know that the ancient Greeks, ancient Egyptians, all, you know, these other cultures in the old

world were experimenting with. And then they meet gods like, you know, Emotep likely took a hallucin of some kind. And I think he met the god Horace. And the God Horace was telling him that Jocher wasn't doing a good job creating Egypt. And so he goes to Jocher and, or in ruling Egypt. So he tells him, you know, you need to build something to honor Horace, blah, blah, blah. they do all these things in the name of their gods well i mean yeah in central america and in south america it's the same thing you know um so it's it's a it's a whole big puzzle you know is there any connection is there any connection between the people in south and central america and the people over there in egypt is there is there any evidence that they could have

known would anything about each other no so this is so there's there's two things um If there is, it would be the architects that constructed, you know, some of these very strange monuments that are in Egypt, they use these massive, monolithic, megalithic boulders that have, it's like they're completely devoid of any kind of art, right? It's just these simplistic yet massive and deceivingly complex structures that they've created and the things that, that are in, there's, there's one site that's in Mitla, Mexico, that's a, that's a very well-known megalithic site, but then you have your others that are in, I can pull another thing up, but then you have your other sites that are like Machu Picchu. Right. There are similarities there in architecture, and if there was one overarching, so I'll just pull, let's pull up this,

like, you know, even in Egypt, they weren't necessarily creating walls that looked this perfect out of solid granite. And this wall, I mean, this is one of thousands of walls that are like this. But if this is created by a civilization, like a pre-deluvian, you know, Atlantician civilization, then sure. I mean, you could infer that there's potentially some kind of connection that spans all over the world. There's really weird sites that are full of these like knobs or nubs that are on these blocks

that you see all over the world. and people piece these little things together and notice similarities. And there are some striking similarities all over the planet. So if there were civilizations in ancient Peru and ancient Egypt 12,000 years ago, maybe they did know about each other. But your classic Maya and your dynastic Egypt,

I wouldn't assume a connection. However, there's a really weird thing that goes on that's in the Olmec world. And I'm going back in February, to study this a bit more. If you would pull up Monument 13 Leventa Olmec, there's, sorry, go ahead. Oh, keep, what were you going to say? No, I was going to ask like the Olmecs, they have a striking resemblance. They have, they look like they're African, right? Yeah, that kind of isn't. So that column to them that I showed you earlier, they're like the king

wasn't there, but they're able to, they're still able to find biological material from the And they're able to try to, I mean, they can still test the DNA of the indigenous people that live there. Like all the Maya people still live there today. You know, their descendants are still there. Tijuanau's descendants are still there. Peruvian descendants are still there. So they test their DNA. Whenever they find tombs that are intact where the soil hasn't destroyed the grave or the biological material and they test it, they don't find anything that results in being African.

Really? But if you go meet the indigenous people that live there that have no. no Spanish DNA in them at all, they do look like the Olmec heads. They do have these, they do have these like very peculiar round faces, big lips, big broad, like kind of flat noses that are similar to, you know, what we think Africans would look like. So yeah, so Monument 13. I think it's, yeah, click on that first one. Yeah, you might want to zoom in.

Some of these photos aren't the highest resolution. So this, these are, this is an example of like proto, early, Mesoamerican hieroglyphs. So it's tough to see from this angle. But around his waist, just to the left, do you see the foot that's there that's carved onto the, there's a foot that's pointing down, like the heels at the top and the toes are at the bottom,

the toes are at the bottom right. Hanging off of his waist? No, no, no, it's like to the left of his waist. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the foot's like pointing down. Right, like a footprint. Yeah, it's a footprint.

Okay. And so over on the right, you have some more glyphs there. Yeah. What's interesting about Olmec art is it's it. So look at that. And I'm not implying a connection here. But it's, it is strange. How similar is that to, if you guys went over this in last couple episodes, how similar is that to Go Beckley-Tepeckley-Teppy in its art?

Because what they did is they carved the face off of the monuments to reveal the hieroglyphs and the glyphs from beneath. So they carve the face off. But what this means, this is a really, really interesting monument. So what we infer that that foot means is it means he's a traveler, okay? And then over on the right, the glyphs spell out that he is a traveler as well. It's two different, it's two different like logographs or logograms that depict that he's the traveler. So on the top of his head, that little poofy thing and kind of like the tail coming down, that is interpreted as being a turban. That's not his hair because all Olmex depict themselves as being bald.

So it's very likely that they shave their own heads. And ancient Americans were notorious for not being able to grow beards. They didn't like growing facial hair is like an old world, middle eastern thing that I think that Europeans picked up through like insemination. And then it came over to this side of the world. But a lot of Native Americans were not growing facial hair. So he has a beard as well. He's wearing a turban and he's got these little pointy shoes on. Well, beards, turbans, and pointy shoes are not seen anywhere at all in the Olmec world.

Now, this monument dates back to about 900 to 1,000 BC. So exactly at the same time of this, there's another thing that you could look up. It's like San Lorenzo Clayhead. San Lorenzo is S-A-N-Space, L-A-R-E-N-Z-O clayhead, San Lorenzo Clayhead. at Monument 13 was found at Lventa. This right here that's up on the screen now, look how amazingly, like, intricate that is. This was found at San Lorenzo.

So Leventa is like the westernmost edge of the state of Tabasco. This is found in Veracruz at a site called San Lorenzo. This is, he's wearing a turban, he has a little pointy beard. This does not look like a Native American. What this does look like is somebody, who lived in the Middle East. At exactly the same time, around 1000 BC, the Phoenicians are launching expeditions

out of the Strait of Gibraltar from the Mediterranean Sea, and they're going to be the first civilization of their time to travel all the way around the coast of Africa and back. So the Phoenicians were excellent seafarers. Well, there's been studies that prove, and I think they've tested it with mock ships that they send out into the ocean, that if you go too far west out of the shore,

Strait of Gibraltar into the Atlantic Ocean. You'll be carried by current out into the middle of the ocean, straight down through the Bahamas, Caribbean, straight down into the Gulf Coast, right into Olmec Heartland. So what's interesting is there's some evidence out there that there were Phoenicians who got lost at sea and landed in Olmec Heartland, and they're depicted on Olmec monuments around 1,000 BC. And this is something nobody's talking about. But we don't see evidence of that. We don't see evidence of them. It's very likely like they stopped in the Caribbean and they met with the Carib people. It's probably likely that they stopped in the Yucatan before they ended up on the Gulf of Mexico. But at this point in time, the Caribs that are in the

Caribbean and the proto, early Maya people living in the Yucatan, one, we just don't have the evidence that they met up with these people and they maybe never wrote it down. Or maybe the Phoenicians stopped in the Gulf of Mexico and spent a lot of time around the Olmex because the Olmex are so much more progressed and were the only civilization that came across that were similar to themselves. Now, whether the Phoenicians sailed back, we don't know. We don't have any evidence of because there's no, I don't think that there's any, well, you know, I'm just learning about this recently that there may be a place that the Phoenicians spoke about that was west out of the gates of Hercules, which is like the Strait of Gibraltar.

There's a place they spoke about that was further out west, but there isn't like there's not any substantial, there's not anything written substantially about it to prove that these are the same Phoenicians that came back from the new world from Mexico and sailed back over. So whether or not they ever went back, if there were just, you know, there may have just been a group of 50 of these guys and they died in Mexico. You know, we don't know. Or their DNA is such a minimal amount that it can't be detected, you know, 3,000 years. later. But yeah, this is a, this is like a really strong case for recent old world contacting the new world way before Columbus ever came. Whoa. Yeah. Well, and actually, I should clarify and say that there may be more information out there that existed at one point in time. Like, you know, when the Aztecs, when we know that when they were writing, when they were ordering and producing about 480,000 pieces of paper a day, these guys were standing on the shoulders of giants from the Maya. The Maya are the ones who really expanded Mesoamerican, like their calendar, their mathematics, sacred geometry, and their writing.

And we were in numerology. So the Maya are, they probably begin around 1,000 BC. That's like the very beginning. And then they flourish at about 580s, like 1,500 years later. And they really bring everything, they really bring everything like to life. and then they exist from their height at about 500, 600, 700 AD. They start collapsing. They start moving from the jungles of Guatemala, which are like where all of the older structures are.

There's some kind of drought. Maybe there was a volcano. Something happened. So people start moving north towards the top of the Yucatan. And so their architecture changes. They realize that worshiping men as gods doesn't actually work. So they start having like divine councils of rulers. So they start moving north into the Yucatan, where they stay there from 800 AD to 1400 AD,

and they're like fighting the Aztecs at the same time. The Aztecs were about to launch an assault on the entire Maya world as soon as the Spaniards show up. Oh, shit. For about 2,000 years when the Spaniards show up, around 2,000 years, the Maya had been writing. So if the Aztecs were producing almost 500,000 copies of paper a year, think about how much the Maya had written down for the last, you know, almost two, thousand years and everything that they knew. So what's crazy is in the four codices that survive. So when Diego DeLanda, I think this is like the 1570s or 1540s, he's in Marita, Mexico.

What is today modern name Marita Mexico? I believe that's where he's at. And he gets all of these local tribesmen, Maya people who still have their ancient codices. So like what the Maya do is, Have you ever seen the sticky notes how they connect on like the top and the bottom and you can pull them apart? Yeah. That's a codex. That comes from the Maya world. That's where that design comes from. So their books were folded like a zigzag.

And so you like unfolded the book and you can flip the book over and read it the opposite way. And so that's called a codex. It's not necessarily a book. So he burned, according to Spanish chroniclers, he burned pires of books. So floor to ceiling. I mean, imagine all the books you have on your bookshelf, how much knowledge in multiple pires, if you stack something from floor to ceiling, how many books would that be and you do it multiple times? You could destroy an entire civilization's knowledge just like that. This is like the complete, this is like the burning of the Library of Alexandria in the new world.

The Maya knew very likely everything. They knew their whole. They knew all of their origins. I mean, what we have learned from the Dresden Codex, which is just one of the four, codices that has survived has completely changed everything that we know about the Maya. I mean, it's, it taught us almost everything about their astronomy. I mean, there are books that are this thick over, that are written, this thick in small, fine print about everything that we've learned to do with Maya astronomy.

I mean, they, they, it's like a, it's like a book that unlocked, like, explorers had, explorers and archaeologists had been looking at these temples and they can't figure out like, okay well why why are these columns put here why are the why are the cities built the way that they are um you know they're just looking at it and they don't they just think that maybe it's all obscure okay one codex the dresden codex added context to every single Maya city that was ever created like it gave context people go oh so this this temple is aligning to the sun this temple is aligning to the moon this temple is aligning to venus this is what why all of these structures are tilted slightly to the northeast. Oh, and like every single Maya

city that you go to from one codex has added context to everything. And then when you have the context, you learn some newer things, like as you get deeper and deeper into it. Like there, you might have a, I can't think of an example, but I've, I've been in that situation many times where this, if I didn't have this context, now I wouldn't be able to figure out one more step. So, I mean, dude, you're talking about, you're talking about tens of thousands of codices that were burned. That's everything that they knew. Everything. It's just, I feel like no matter what I say, it would be an understatement as to, I mean, yeah, this is on scale with the burning of the Library of Alexandria. You know, Egypt, when people were coming into their areas, if you had books and

scrolls, they would take them. They would copy them down in the library, and then they give it back to you when you left Alexandria. Well, I mean, yeah, the Maya are doing the same. They're doing exactly the same thing. And in their form of hierogly, if you could, when you look up, where you will look up like Maya hieroglyphs, you can just look up anything. This is so much more complicated than Egyptian hieroglyphs. When you look at it, it's like, it's like psychedelic almost looking at. It is very difficult to wrap your mind around what you're looking at. And their civilization is so complex. Their language is so complex. Their hieroglyphs are so complex. I mean,

a lot of times they're carving the face off of the rock to allow the hieroglyphs to pop off the stone. And you'll see... Negative relief? Yeah. High relief? So this is just like a... Oh my God. Yeah, this is, but this is nothing.

Like, if you look up like Maya Steela, but if you zoom into one of those glyphs, yeah, click on that first one right there, zoom into one of those. So each of those little glyphs is several words. So you see how, can you see how the glyphs are, are broken up into like four quarters sometimes? So each of those are four words. Oh, there are faces in there. Yeah, yeah, there are faces in there. There are temples in there. There are animals that

are in there. It's, it's like the most complex ancient language ever. Like most ancient languages are lines, you know, they're, they're. This is far more advanced than the Egyptian hieroglyphs that you see. Far, far. And this is a, this is a simple example of this. I mean, if you look like a Maya hieroglyphic steela if you spell steela s teela or yeah la you're going to see some stuff that's just mind blowing I mean it's hard to even understand what you're looking at yeah maybe click on the third one that's probably copon yeah yeah yeah so any of those if you if you click on them I mean look look at that those are those are glyphs that are carved into the side of a monument. So it's like that, that, so this is that copon in Honduras, I'm pretty sure.

So they're carved like out of it. These aren't just, these aren't just like someone took a chisel and started making lines on a rock. Yeah. This is like amazing three-dimensional. Yeah, it's, it's three-dimensional carving. It's the, it's very likely the king or ruler's face. And that's probably a, that's probably a depiction of the, so some of these are, are depictions of, of, of, trees, animals, and jungle foliage that's around him. And those, so you have his face that's in the middle, surrounded by the world that was around him. And it like fades into the hieroglyphs that are on the side of the stila as well

that tells the story of his life, his rule, and the city around him. And so you look at these things and they're otherworldly, dude. And all the books that were produced in this city were either burned to ash, just smoke. or sometimes they're not preserved very well because their tombs were prematurely opened up. Oh wow, go to that one up there? Not that, yeah, that one. That one, yeah.

Yeah, so I think that's Copon as well. So it's amazing, man. I mean, oh, if you look and see it, if you look and see at the bottom left, you can see a flower right there. So a lot of this is alluding to sacred geometry. There's a flower on the right. That's a five-starred flower.

That's alluding to the worship. Venus. So as Venus makes loops in the sky, it creates the five-sided star. So the five-sided star is not seen anywhere in the ancient world except for ancient civilizations that were aware of Venus. Because where Venus appears in the night sky, it creates like a five-sided star. But you can't see it, obviously. You have to know where Venus is going to be and track it. And so over the course of a year, maybe it's multiple times in the year, Venus creates a five-sided star. So any ancient civilization that knows about a five-sided geometric shape follows Venus, which means that they were very advanced astronomers. It's freaking crazy, bro. So in the center of the jungle is where you're

going to find, in the deepest parts of the jungle, is where you're going to find the most, you're going to find the oldest, you're going to probably find in some ways the most advanced. structures because as Maya civilization continues after the, after like the fall, because they fall in about 750 AD, but they're not conquered by Spain. How do they fall? Nobody knows. Nobody knows what the collapse of Maya civil, what caused it. Could have been drought because they live like in the highlands of Guatemala and southern Mexico

and Honduras, like up in the mountains. And then something happened to cause a mass migration north into the lowlands of the Yucatan. And that's when they started conflicting with the Aztecs. Yeah, about that time. And then the Toltecs who live near the Aztecs come over into their land as well. Like the Toltecs helped build Chichenita, if you've ever heard of that site. So the Toltecs helped build Chichenita. And then, you know, you have like these, you have these Maya astronomical observatories.

Like there's one called El Caracol that's in the city of Chichenita. This is an observatory that's aligned to all these different celestial bodies. But then later on, I believe in the city of Maya Pond, an older city, They build another astronomical observatory, but it's not aligned anything. It's fake. It's like it's hollow on the inside. They lost the knowledge as the time went on. So how many civilizations do you see that in where they start out using the biggest, most massive megalithic blocks that they can find?

Their knowledge of the world around them is at an all-time peak. And then from the very beginning, it descends. It doesn't get better over time. and it's the same it's that exact same in the Maya world as you see in Egypt it starts at like it rises to its peak really quick and then falls and then by the end of Egypt

they're not building as many structures that lasted or stood through the test of time as the old kingdom or pre-dynastic or even a civilization way before that did you know well it's wild when you think about the fact that Cleopatra was closer to us than she was for the building of the great pyramid

yeah yeah I mean that like what I was saying at the beginning is is that is remote antiquity that we just don't know about. And a good example, I'll give you for how little we know about the study of Mesoamerica. Here, I'm going to pull up my computer real quick. So in the Lock and Dome jungle, it's very likely that there is a lost city that is out there. So there's a city that's never been found. People have thought that they found it.

This is like an artist's rendition of it. This is called Lacham Ha. Maybe it existed around 600 BC. Where's this today? Well, nobody knows where La Cama is. But this map over here, this is the La Candon jungle. This is south of Palanke in Chiapas, Mexico, just west of Guatemala. Okay.

Out in the jungle. So this city of Bonapok, that's over here that I have pinned, that's a very small necropolis that probably about maybe 20% of it is excavated and on display. And near Bonapok, they know that there was a, that there was a, that, there was a city that was involved with them. There was one city called White Dog that attacked Bonham Park and like ran through Bonapok killed their leaders and everything. The city white dog has never been found. The city Lakam Ha has never been found in the Maya world. So, but there is a lagoon that's in the center that's in like the north center area of the Lakandone jungle. It's like

Lockenha, Lock and Don. It's the same kind of Lakindon Maya people. So it's called the Lakhendone jungle. So the local indigenous people, they call this giant lagoon right here. They call it Lakanha, which is very similar to Lakamha. So the only difference is the N and an M. But nobody has been out to this lagoon before. And a body of water like this in the middle of the jungle, I mean, it's... Nobody's been right there.

Except for local Maya people that live there. There's no photo you can find of that lagoon lake. It's like a giant lake. There's no photo. Nobody's ever walked out there. and I would guess that that's... We gotta pull us up on Google, on Earth. Google Earth.

Yeah, I can do it right now. You want me to do it? Yeah, can you do that? That's insane that nobody's ever gone out there. Or at least nobody's ever documented going out there. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we're about to get... Oh, here's a drug plane that I found out in the jungle.

This is the jungles west of... So these are, this right here is the uncharted jungles of Guatemala, where they know more cities are. Can you zoom out so I can get some better context of where we're at? okay I see Okay So So where we've been talking about Palenke

Palenke is right here How did you find that drug plane Just randomly? Yeah I just I just like systematically Scour the area Like through GPS coordinates Like I go in straight lines

Looking down to see Like if I were to go out there What do I not want to come across? So just as some reference Here is Palankay This is the jungle of Palanke Okay Here's where those 300

some odd structures are. This is actually the full scale of the city that was unexcavated. That jungle is literally nothing when you look at the other Maya jungles. So right here, the entire center part of the Yucatan is, I mean, look, there's no cities that really like pop up as you go in. There's these main little cities. Out here, this is uncharted jungle, uncharted jungle, uncharted jungle. Then you come down into Campaite, this is uncharted jungle.

There was a city called Okomtoon that was found right in maybe this area, about 37 miles deep into the, deep into the jungle. I think it was Ivan Sprock that just found that city. The lower part of Campeche is completely uncharted. The northern Patan jungle in Guatemala, look, there's almost nothing that pops up. It's dark green. Oh, it's dark green. This is, this is where the earliest, some of the earliest sites in Maya history are going to be in this deep jungle. Even the things that pop up, like Dos Lagunas, if I were to zoom in here, there isn't actually anything here. There's a, There's an airport. There's an airport, and this is probably like a,

this could be like a wildlife research institute. This is where some of your like bee, like colony beekeepers, people who study bees. So if something gets out, it doesn't like immediately attack the local community. Like, there's all kinds of stuff like that out there. The vast majority of this is completely uncharted. So recently there was a, recently there was a LIDAR thing that made news that showed 60,000 structures that were found in the jungle. This is right where we were just looking?

Yeah, it's on the southwest side of where we were looking. So this is like an artist rendition kind of of the LIDAR scan. They like beef it up and give you an idea of what it would really look like. Okay, to give you an idea of how little we know, we did not know about those 60,000 structures until within the last several years they run LIDAR scan over it. And then when they do LIDAR scan, they realize just how much is out there. Okay, I'll show you because a guy went out there, a guy that I know went out there, on and did a Google street view of the city.

He walked out there. Okay, so here's the entire, here's the entire jungle. All right, this is where the city is. Just right here. Look at how far in that is. I'll measure it real quick. Some guy mapped all those roads with a Google camera. Yep.

Well, yeah, like by hand, you know. Right, like the cars typically have them mounted to the roof, but this guy was carrying one. Yeah, yeah. And so from right here to about right here, five miles into the jungle. That's it. And we had no idea that 60,000 structures were there. So we click on, oh, I was actually a little bit further. So maybe it's like four and a half miles. So then we come in and we click right here. Stop it. And now, look at that giant pyramid. This is probably 60 feet tall and there's a temple at the top of it. So you can see the stairways coming through. Holy fuck, dude. These are in the center of the jungle. This was only five miles deep, bro. Look at how much, look at how much is under. Uncharted.

Look at that. All of that is uncharted. All of that is uncharted. Even the western side of Belize, it's all uncharted. There's stuff like that everywhere, bro. Everywhere. Literally everywhere. Okay, so down here, so let's go back to Bonampok.

So there's actually a street view here at Bonampok too, and you can get an idea of... Dude, how do these guys do this with these street view cameras? I don't know. You get like a 360 camera. You hit up Google and like, I'm going to walk out in the middle of the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Oh, so this is from inside one of the tombs. These are the murals on the inside of Bonham Pa. So some of these depict, this like obviously depicts. So I stood here in January. So some of these depict the... Wow, look how glossy that is. Oh, yeah, it's amazing. I'm trying

to get one that's like on the outside, out in the middle of the courtyard. So just the courtyard has been excavated. Yeah, so look how giant this steela is compared to this dude. And this dude's close to the camera. Like when you're standing up next to this thing, you're like this tall. And so this thing is massive. So this is like the big wide open plaza. Here's some of the, you know, but look at how massive this pyramid is. And those murals are in there. Now this is a somewhat less impressive city.

But often the jungle, like you walk out to the tree line and you peer off in the jungle, there's more pyramids out there. Like nothing has been, literally nothing has been excavated here. So in these murals, it depicts the city of white dog attacking Bonapokok. It also depicts the city of Lakam Ha. Well, you come and look down here at Laguna Lakhamha. You click on the photo. There's no photos. Okay, I've tried to Google it.

The only photo I can find is like somebody who flew over in like a SESNA and took a really blurry photo a long time ago. There's nothing else out here. I go on Street View. Of course, there's nobody out here. But there are villages of people that live somehow, somewhere near here. This is something I want to track down at some point. But they called this place Lakanha. How far can you punch in on that?

without losing resolution. Yeah, I can go real close. Oh, wow. Yeah. So if you look around like the edges, there's nothing you can find? No. I mean, okay, I'll show you here. Okay, I'm just going to go on a rabbit hole for like two seconds.

How wide also is that body of water? It's big. Here, let's look. So let's do like length. Yeah. So it's a mile and a half. Okay. Yeah, it's a mile and a half and then what?

Maybe like a quarter or three quarters of a mile wide. Yeah, exactly three feet of a mile wide. mile basically. So it's a huge body of water. So this very likely, very likely fed a community nearby that is not Bonapok. I'm guessing Bonapok probably got their water from this river right here and that there's very likely some civilization, some city, maybe the La Cigomha around here, but that's as far as anybody knows. So that's something I'm going to track down one day. Now as far as how are you going to get there? walk yeah I'm just gonna

I'm gonna walk from Bonapok it's not that far I mean it's probably like five miles yeah less than three miles but you're talking about you're talking about like basically impenetrable jungle going down like when you go when you leave bottom pocket

it's like a very steep slope going down and then you've got to hit the river and then you've got to you know go through you have to go through the swamps to actually get there and then we'll probably camp out on the banks out here up a little higher. You know, I mean, this looks like a pretty good area to camp out.

And so anywhere around here, bro, anywhere around here could be the remnants of a city. I'm going to guess it's going to be a little bit higher up. So like the elevation increases over here, I'm going to guess purely off of just looking at a ton of cities, I'm going to guess it's going to be right up here on top of this ridgeline on any one of these sides. But it's anybody's best guess. But maybe if there's local Maya villages out there, there may be people who already know about it. You're going to find a flying saucer. Oh, God.

Yeah. Imagine. Dude, I would love that. And then they'd like lock me in a room forever. And people would think I'm crazy. Well, there's more sightings. There's more like UFO sightings in this part of the world than like anywhere. Oh, really?

South America and Mexico, yeah. Really? I didn't know that. Yes. It's really weird. That is weird. I'll have to ask people when I go next time. So what you were asking about,

When you're looking in uncharted areas for temples, okay, I'm filming a pilot for to pitch to TV, you know, TV production studio companies in April I'm filming this pilot. We're going to the city of Yashilan. Okay. In the city of Yashelan, remember what I was saying a second ago about how a lot of, a lot of Maya cities are oriented to the northeast? I just said a second ago, I was like, oh, this is because of the Dresden Codex, we know, oh, this is why. by the buildings are aligned to the northeast rather than true north. It's because of the celestial bodies that they follow. So you look at Yashilan, all these are northeast.

Some of them are a little bit more north because they're aligning to a different body. But look, the vast majority of these are all facing northeast. So what's interesting is, let's go to my photos. Let's go to Yashelan Expedition. So here's Yashelan. here is a map that I was able to get out of a book that you can't, it's like an older field study book that you can't find on the internet anymore. So this is a map of Yashilan and it's on the, so you can kind of see it right there. It's on the tip of this Bode Island. So it's like right up here. But there

are scientists who have studied howler monkeys because troops of howler monkeys come through this little peninsula looking thing to escape predators like jaguars and things like that. So Jaguars aren't going to, maybe not necessarily, they may not come through this because it's kind of a tight area. They want to be out here in them in the open and not feel. They sort of like bottlenecked this little piece of land and surrounded it with a river for people that aren't watching and just listening. Oh yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So it's like it's basically like an island that's connected to the mainland by one sliver of land. And so it's unlikely that jaguars are going to come through here. I don't know that jaguar sightings have been seen through here. And there were a wildlife

biologists that were studying howler monkeys because when you're at yashilon i mean you're hearing like the and i mean dude i was thinking like the first people tens of thousands of years ago who came through this area when they hear a howler monkey if you ever hear in person if you come down to central america with me you'll hear one howler monkey in person who's this tall it sounds like an animal that is the size of a tree making that noise that's how loud it is i mean it sounds like a monster Like a demon. Yeah, it sounds like an otherworldly monster. It's amazing.

And when they all do it together, it's just, it's insanely loud. No video could possibly give you an idea of how loud it is. Yeah. So there are these wildlife biologists going through the jungle here, studying these howler monkeys, and they're like, dude, there's pyramids out there, there's temples out there, they're all over the place. They're everywhere. We're walking over small little residential buildings.

There's giant pyramids out there. There's temples that are out there. nobody's ever been out there to look at it because like nobody's sane enough to do it for free other than me so here's the here's a map of it now there's in this entire so i read the whole book and it's basically like a study of the city itself there's one page so this is a photo that i took that's like what the city looks like when it's covered up um so this little building is a building where there was a Oh my gosh. So the very first suspension bridge in the entire world was built at this city. They built a suspension bridge like, like think of like the Golden Gate Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge. It's a suspension bridge that covers, that that crosses the Usama Center River. So they know that when when I believe the city of Kolok-Mul, which is in like the southern Yucatan or maybe I think it's southern Yucatan right above Guatemala. They marched all the way down through Guatemala and they had to come through Yashilong because Kow, because Kowlo, Lach-Mool sacked Palenke. So they came down, they crossed the bridge, they made allies with

the Ashulon, and they sacked Palanke. So a thing about the Maya world is we call them the Maya. It's not one civilization. Each individual city is a city state. And just like Greece, who is at war with Athens, which Athens is also in Greece and Sparta, or I'm sorry, Athens is at war with Sparta. These city states warred amongst each other. It's not just one civilization. It's multiple civilizations. And in this case, hundreds of civilizations that have their own lineages of royal families and kingdoms at each individual city. So it's not a straight line like Egypt is, like from Narmer and the Scorpion King, the real life Scorpion King, 3,200 B.C. straight to Cleopatra. It's one straight line. This world is anything but a straight line. So they built the first suspension

bridge. And so what's really interesting is, Somewhere in here. I'm not sure if I... Ah, here we go. In one page of this book, it says, Structure 88... This is people who explored the area. Okay.

This is an old book. In Structure 88 is a small pile of rocks nearly one kilometer southeast of Structure 54. Structure 54 is the most southeastern structure of the main site. Bowles noted that the masonry terracing continued past Structure 53, but neither he nor Satterweight continued. along the trail to investigate the structure. This is a lintel that was found.

So this is like a lentils, when you walk through a doorway, they knew that their hieroglyphs will become eroded because it rains so much. So they started putting a lot of their hieroglyphs in the top, like a ceiling of the doorway. So the doorway is like three feet long, and you look up as you walk in, and there's a lintel right here. So it's like a hieroglyphic piece of art at the top of the doorway. So they found this in the middle of the jungle there, and this is just like a, artist impression of it, but that lentil is still in that structure.

And nobody's seen it in, oh, I guess it was moved. Okay, never mind. I'm thinking of a different one. So the lentil was moved. And so this is like the 1960s. So in 60 years, nobody's been out there. So it has no dates or glist. It probably dates to the reign of Machina Skull the third or later.

And so they knew that they're, as it says before, they knew that there were more structures beyond the structure, but they couldn't continue because the jungle was just too dense and maybe they didn't have their resources, weren't being paid enough, whatever. The only other people that have been out there are wildlife biologists who say there's a ton of stuff out there. Now, the reason I'm going to go out there and film it is one, one, I just want to see what else is out there because I know something's out there.

I know that there are more, there's an expansion to the city that goes along the outer perimeter and I've scanned every little nook and cranny, every hilltop and valley on this little island. And I found something exactly where Dr. Barnhart and I speculate. So Dr. Barnhart and I look at Yashilon and we think that this is definitely a defensive, this is a, it's a defensive geographical area. I mean, it's the perfect place to defense. You're surrounded by a moat, but what's your, what's the weakest part of this area? It's definitely the part that connects to land. So what we think is there's probably defensive structures or outlooks because back in this world in North Central and South America, people had something called runners. And it was these trails they built through the jungle and you have a guy running barefoot sprinting through the jungle to deliver a message.

And these runners could run hundreds of miles in a short period of time or 10 dozens of miles in a short period of time. So what we think is there were some defensive structures that were higher up watching as potentially another civilization in their boats, rounds, these corners potentially to visit or attack Yashiland. And we think that up here on top, there were definitely defensive structures where a clearing was made where you'd be able to see down into the river. Very likely. So I go on Google Earth and I start looking. You might barely be able to see it here for everybody that's watching.

I'm zooming in on something on Google Earth. What do you see right here? rectangular structures that are oriented just barely to the northeast. It's really easy to see it on my computer. Okay, yeah, I see it. So these are rectangular structures that are. terraced off. So they have multiple different levels that are oriented to the northeast. Now, this would be on a hilltop. Is there anything else like this in Yashilan? Also, look, it's a patch

where the forest hasn't grown in completely around, but you can tell it's green, it's growing in, but it's not completely grown in. Is there anything else similar to that? Yes, the three astronomical towers at the top of Yashelan. It looks almost exactly the same if I put like a completely green filter over it and all of these are oriented to the north. Northeast. So it's the same alignments and it's in a similar geographical spot. It's up high and very likely there may be other temples that are a bit higher up on these areas. So this is, you know, this is. Oh, wow. This is elevated so much. Yeah, it's extremely steep. I mean, this is a huge area. And so these astronomical temples are way up here. I, I walked to these earlier this year.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I walked up the, uh, So you come down here, you land here on a boat, you walk through the jungle. This is like the research station out here, but these guys never walk out into the jungle. They're only here, you know, they're only here among the main city. Or maybe they do, but they don't say anything about it. And they don't have like a public mouthpiece to really get it out there. So, yeah, I walked from the, I walked from Jaguars Temple 33 here. As I was walking over to the Acropolis over here, there's a path that shoots up.

And Dr. Barnhart was like, if you want to walk up to the top temple, you can take that path. So I walked up there by myself. Really? I walked up here by myself. You're a maniac. And so yeah, I walked up here by myself and walked all the way through here. There's monuments and steela that are laying on the ground. It's very likely that these are constructed similar to the temple of the sun at Palenke,

that these temples are also calendars in themselves, and they point towards different directions in the sky to be able to be able to, to tell the Maya people different things. But dude, it could take somebody like living at Yoshelan for multiple years straight going up there at every single, at every single major solar cycle to figure out, oh, look what just happened. Oh, okay, okay. So now we see that this shadow aligns here in six more months. Let's see if it does X thing.

Okay, if it doesn't do that, then it doesn't do this. And then you test it enough times and you realize, oh, the Maya people were doing this. oh, it says that in the Dresden Codex, but we didn't realize that. So all those books that were burned, think about how much is out there that is just lost to us and we have to piece it all back together. So the, but also the reason I want to explore Yashilan is at the top of the Usama Senta River, I want to say right up here or maybe somewhere a little bit further south, you know, the smaller villages that are in here are extremely impoverished. And, and they don't have, you know, electricity is very expensive in that area.

And a way to make it cheaper would be to build a dam. So you have like hydraulic energy. And so the Mexican government wants to build a dam in that area, but the dam is going to raise the water level and it's going to flood this entire, like the water is going to seep over the entire Bode island of Yashilan and turn it into like a lake of some kind. So it's going to flood all of the temples. All of that, that big round bulb will be underwater. Yeah, a lot of it will be. And all of these, all of this area on the outside will be completely flooded. So it's going to turn it into these giant lakes where they can dam it all up and have a lot of water power that's pushing through a dam. So they'll have like dams on two ends. And it's not just Yashilon that's there. On the other side of the river, when you're going up the raft, or when you're going up the speedboat up to Yashilon, you look off to the right and there are pyramids out there that are completely covered in foliage. Like Nueva

Palestine is a great example of how little has been discovered. So I've got a photo of it here. Yeah. So this is a photo that I took. This is from the city of Nueva, Palestine. These are called the Great Pyramids because they look like the Great Pyramids in Giza. That is with an insanely extended lens.

This is ridiculously far away from where I was standing. Those are way off in the middle of the jungle and there's no scientific study. Nobody's been there? I'm sure people have walked out there, but there's no. study, there's no photos I can find. There's not even a name of it. There's no way to Google it. So, so look at this, there's a little diagram that I've got that I showed when I was at the, when I was at the cosmic summit, which by the way, we're having a cosmic summit again in 2004 that everybody should come to. Hopefully you can come to it as well. Hell yeah, I'm playing

on it. So let me see. I've got a photo. Gosh, what was I? Oh, How crazy is it that this is like the exact place with that enormous asteroid killed the dinosaurs hit? Oh, I know, right? It's crazy. So here is all, so all the green dots on the right diagram are the documented locations of Maya cities. So look at how, look how densely packed they are. Every single area where it's a bit more empty, it's just as packed. That's how many cities are left out there. That's how many pyramids are out there. I mean, you're talking about easily over, I would estimate easily, easily over 10,000 pyramids have not been discovered in Central and South America. And so then, you know, you're trying to look for, you know, it's hard to find a lost city in Central America. So here I'm going to get the map clean real quick.

You're really good at using Google Earth. Oh, thank you. So, okay, so here, I'll show this real quick. So here's the city of Bonampok, okay? To go from here to over here to find the city of Lackam Ha or White Dog that might be over there, they think White Dog may have been found, but Lacham Ha may be in there. That's going to be a really tough expedition. It's very likely there's also cities in the Lakhendon jungle that are south of Bonapok and south of the lagoon.

So one thing, an example I give is like this road from Nueva, Palestine down here to Bonapok is maybe like 10 miles. or so. Okay, and I would say that that road from the north side of the Lock and Done jungle, it really starts about right here because all of this is inhabited for the most part. So the north, so this road that goes down through into Bonapok, I would say is metaphorical for how much we know about the Maya world. The rest of the Lock and Done jungle is how much we don't know. And all of that is completely uncharted land. Completely uncharted land. Completely uncharted jungle. But that's also nothing to the compared to the Paten jungle that hasn't been discovered. And the Kempete jungle and the Yucatan jungles. All these little satellite things, all this is

completely unexplored. Oh, not to mention the Maya Mountains in Belize. This is all completely uncharted. Now, think about trying to find the origins of civilization in the jungles of the Amazon. How big and massive that is compared to anything that's. in the my world. But think about all the stuff that's in the my world that's never been discovered. So you're trying to find a lost city in the Amazon. Look at that compared to this. It's, I mean, look at that massive jungle right there. Look at that compared to the Amazon. It's, it's, it's, it's impossible to wrap your brain around. It's impossible to wrap your brain around. Yeah, man, it's like exploring the Amazon is like exploring space. It's just endless, you know. It's endless and it's

dense and no matter no matter how many trails you cut the trail grows in behind you you know like you you cut the trail down you turn around and the trail's already growing in and covering itself up you come back to the same trail you chop down a season before and it's not there anymore how much when you're out there exploring by yourself how much do you have to worry about running into like loggers like illegal loggers okay like drug smugglers because i remember paul rosalie was explaining a story where he was like he was canoeing down the amazon river and he ran into like these dudes with a boatload of cocaine and like they were like scoping them out and following him for a while so there's a lot of uh oh dude yeah this is great topic there's a lot of that out there

that i worry about i have not been exposed to it thus far um but as over the next couple years i imagine i might or i might see the remnants of that being out there um so illegal logging is huge in Guatemala. It's huge in southern Mexico. I think it's, I think it's pretty big in the Yucatan. So there are giant trees. There's like Saba trees that are in, that are in the, in Central America. So Saba tree is like the tree of life for the Maya people. These are ancient, you know, thousand-year-old trees. So, but they're highly sought after. And not just that, just any kind of log is highly sought after. But it's not only that, you're looking at how much cartel activity is down there. There's a lot of cartel activity.

out there in the jungles. They've got their own compounds. So look, I found this in the Lock and Done jungle as well. So this is an airstrip that I found that is not, that does. I love how first, I love how you can just basically look at Mexico and zoom into exactly these little obscure like details in like the split second. You have this whole like country and you have all of South America perfectly mapped in your brain. It's really incredible. Well, thank you. Yeah. I'm just, I'm like absolutely obsessed with it. You know, I can tell. It's a, in my videos, it's all, I try to, I try to stay like, I try to approach it with a lot of humility, like I'm, you know, an educator and everything. But this is a personal journey as well, you know, and I'm trying to like build a life that's around the things that I love and do some things that are, that are memorable and discover things that'll, that'll last way beyond my lifetime, you know, so that takes a while, you know, I want to build, I want to build something that brings in some funds to be able to go on expeditions and do things. that are bigger than myself

and not something just to glorify myself but something to bring some kind of understanding to the world to other people and the jungles of Central and South America are a frontier that's still accessible like the age of exploration is not over I mean I can prove it a dozen times over but this is one of the dangers that

I could run into so these maps aren't really updated I've been looking at this for three or four years and I've never seen it change on on Google Earth so this was this last image Like, can you see what year this satellite image was taken? No. Okay. Okay.

Well, no, I can. Is this 2020? April 11th, 2020? Okay. So that's interesting. They actually updated that. I haven't looked at that in years. So, yeah, so in the last three years, I was thinking I haven't seen this since 2019,

but in 2019, this was still there. But I haven't really seen this change. So this is an airstrip that's out there. But what's weird is there's no roads leading to it. So I was like, what do they do? Do they go down? the river. So you start following the river, start following the river. Oh, what do you come across? Drug compounds. Co can. You know, they're, they're manufacturing cocaine, marijuana out here.

So there's all this kind of stuff that's going on. Now, what's interesting is this might be an older operation because drug runners in the jungles now have created, they've created air strips that have canopies. So there's like one little opening. where you fly in, but they like carve out a hollow tunnel of trees. So, so somebody flies in and they land underneath the treetops. So they fly out under the airstrips. Yeah, and so, so. That's fucking nuts.

So we go to these photos. I have some photos. Let's see. Lock and don't jungle. Yeah, so here are some, these are some drug planes that just get abandoned. So if these places get busted, they just drive out or they walk. walk out of the jungle and they leave these they leave the planes behind so here's here's one that that i guess crashed into the jungle because there's no air strip around it um but if you look long

enough like i was just i was just kind of going through google earth for a second yesterday or um reddit for a second yesterday and there are other people who find planes in the jungles of on google earth of central america in the amazon um also refugees like uh two two other types people that that could be a danger. So Guatemala has a lot of like political, civil unrest. I think recently they had like a civil war. Civil war or they had a, they had a falling out of their government.

I'm not an update on my, on my Guatemala politics. But I know that there are refugees that are living out in the jungles. And they live underneath the treetops so that they can't be seen. They build little villages under the treetops. And some gringo guy goes out there.

And, you know, they don't want me to be there. And they don't want any risk of me leaving. and telling people about it, they kill me. Right. Or I go out to, this might be more common in Guatemala, which is why I'm not really looking to explore Guatemala yet. Maybe, I don't know, like 10 years from now when I'm more affiliated and I can take like a full-on armed expedition with me.

Right. But in Guatemala, there are the drug runners and the, like, yeah, I guess drug runners, they excavate sites as well to sell artifacts on the black market. So you go find a lost city. This happens in western Belize near Guatemala as well. There are black market looters that will come over from Guatemala and they will have machine guns and they will kill tourists and archaeologists who go out to these most remote sites in Belize.

They will kill them and loot everything. So like at a temple in the middle of the jungle, for whatever reason. I don't know the geological explanation behind it, but at the corners of buildings, the way that the soil deposition or disposition works is that artifacts will drift to the corners of buildings and sink. So you go to a corner of a building and you start digging down,

that's where you're going to hit artifacts. That's how looters know where to look. It's just like one of the tricks of the trade. And I remember studying it more at the beginning of my degree, but it's a simple explanation. But basically, that's just, That's got to be a huge source of revenue for the cartels. Man, it's got to be.

You know, the guys who... You know what? Now that you mentioned, I remember Luis Shapiro telling me that that happens. Oh, did he? Yeah, yeah. Well, and now, I can't get into it too much because I go down there, but now, yeah, the cartels and the organizations that oversee Maya archaeology and projects, yeah, it's the same people. It's exactly the same people. It used to be separated.

Now it's just the same. And they, I shouldn't say where they live. I know where they live. Like I know the city that it all comes out of. And like everybody knows the city as well. So it's, but yeah, it's nuts, man. So they're basically lawless at this point. So they're selling artifacts on the black market all across the planet.

I mean, dude, this happens in Egypt. Like Zai Awas. I'll talk bad about him. I don't care. He's a horrible person. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. He's a terrible person.

Dude, he, he, it's extremely speculated that he would oversee archaeological projects and he would have his own guys that would do it that are all bought out. And he would take the finest relics and artifacts that would come out of these digs and sell them on the black market. You know, that's largely why he lost his job as like the president of the Ministry of Antiquities. He's no longer the president? I don't think so. I think he lost his job. I think. I'm not an expert on his life.

But Ben was telling me that there was like some sort of like secret expedition they were doing underneath like underneath the sphinx. Yeah. And like a big temple that was like under there that it was completely like black like nobody knew about it as done in secret. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Well and yeah, that kind of made that story kind of made waves in the news because he's there's a part where he's on like television and I don't know for like a local news network or whatever. And he's standing in front of a tunnel which I believe is underneath the sphinx. And they're like, what's down the tunnel? And he goes, down this tunnel? Nobody knows.

We've never walked down there. They're like, bullshit. Come on, bro. But yeah, man, there are, it's 100% confirmed that there are shafts that go deep beneath the geese of plateau and go hundreds of feet down. But I don't think there's photos of it, but there are people who are certainly credible that have come out and spoken about it. And maybe there's some photos that's leaked, but that's not something I dive deep into.

but that kind of collusion and corruption does happen in Mexico as well. But it happens at the top. You know what I mean? Like your average archaeologist that discovers something amazing and revolutionary in the new world isn't going to, they're not like some dogmatic person because they're in a frontier. You know, in Egypt it's not a frontier of exploration and discovery. So people have had the time to sink their careers and their ego. into this study so when somebody challenges it like you like you saw have you seen the debate between

graham hancock and zayahuas and how i've been meaning to watch that there's there's there's not anything to watch they don't debate because zai yawas doesn't even entertain it at all he can't he cannot sit there and debate graham hancock um who's challenging zay yawas's ideas and what his whole what his whole paradigm is is built on um isn't isn't isn't grand ban from going inside of the geese pyramids now like he can't go in there maybe maybe he just can't sit He's banned from Egypt. Oh, really? Oh, wow.

Yeah, he might be banned from Egypt because in his new show, ancient apocalypse, he doesn't go to Egypt, which you think he would think he would. But I think he's banned from the country. Interesting. Because I only get that because I think he has said that on a couple of occasions. But when he says Egypt, maybe he is just talking about the archaeological sites there. So there's no reason for him to go. I don't know the details behind it.

But yeah, I mean, these guys, they can't all the time stand up to the scrutiny. Because I think there's certainly guys that are in this alt, ancient civil community that aren't right about everything, which is okay. But there's certainly people in the archaeological orthodox community that aren't right about everything. And to them, that can't be okay. You know what I'm saying? They're too prideful to admit it. That's one thing I've loved about getting to know Dr. Barnhart. He's like a rogue archaeologist as well. And he's very aware that that there's a lot of dogmatic professors and people who have their egos tied up in this whole study and it just it doesn't have any place here you know it's got to be one thing to like see some of

these megaliths in egypt and other places that tourists visit all the time but i can't fucking imagine what it must be like to walk miles through the jungle and just be out there in this ancient city or site by yourself with nothing yeah it's it's it's invigorating i i haven't done it to i haven't done it to that extent yet. But I have done it to a certain extent of walking, you know, you walk a mile straight out into the jungle by yourself or with a couple other guys and you feel like you're way out there. You know, you can't hear people anymore. And it's, it's invigorating. It's infatuating, being, you know, doing like little excursions like that where you're among like a group of guys that you're close to, you all depend on each other. If something goes seriously wrong, you all have to depend on each other.

and you're looking for something that's much greater than yourself. You're looking for something that is like, it's like a treasure of time, you know, and it's been sitting there amongst the birds and snakes and trees for a thousand years. I mean, I've got something here in the Pettin that I'll show you. These little faces, so like you're walking through the jungle, these are little faces in the sides of temples

that vegetation doesn't really grow on, and you can be walking through the jungle and see these faces. This is Piedegris in the middle of the jungle, jungle in Guatemala. And, and, uh, and, uh, not in the middle of Guatemala, in the west coast of Guatemala. And, and, is it rock around that? Is it all rock? Yeah, yeah. It's, this is, it's carved out of a, I think, I think it's carved out of a single piece of rock, but, um, I don't think it's ever been excavated to that much of an extent. Like, if you zoom in, you can see it has carved eyebrows. Oh, shit. It has detail into it. It's not just a flat, you know, it's not just a flat thing.

And there's, there's, there's likely a giant temple that sits on top of this. So, look, look at how much foliage has grown around it, but you're going through the jungle, and all of a sudden, you see one of those faces looking at you from the side of a temple, you know? And it's invigorating being out there. And this has been something that's been true for the last 600 years that Westerners have been exploring this area. They've been exploring the Americas, like on the Lewis and Clark expedition, there were several guys who committed suicide after the expedition because they were gone for years, and it was the highlight of their life. It was so dangerous. but so beautiful and so invigorating that when they got home and they knew that they would

never do it again, they couldn't get over the fact that they had already experienced the greatest part of their life and they killed themselves. Yeah. And like Percy Fawcett, Percy Fawcett was obsessed. He couldn't, he went to the jungle like a dozen times. So he's a British explorer. He went to the jungle a dozen times from England from 1906 to 1925 when he disappeared in the Amazon. and he couldn't leave. Like he just, he just couldn't, he couldn't stop going back, you know. He was obsessed with it. Franz Blom.

He drank himself to death. He's, he's the most iconic Maya explorer ever. He explored all the areas that we've talked about today in Chiapas. And there's a book about him called Restless Blood. And he was just restless, like deep down. He was restless because he was, he was like chasing something that kind of existed, but kind of didn't. Like, he was actually chasing the feeling of being in the,

the jungle and discovering something. And when he wasn't there, he had a problem with, like, alcohol. And there were things that would happen, there were things that would happen that would prevent him from going back out in the field. So he started drinking and he gave himself like liver cancer or something like that and died from that. And so a lot of these explorers have, they have, like, crippling problems because of how infatuating being out there is. It's amazing. I mean, it's something that's like viscerally connected to the core of who, are. You know what I mean? Yeah, man. It's, it's, it's, it's, uh, I've grown to be obsessed with it over the last few years. It started in Egypt and then it came over to the Americas and now I'm at a

place where, yeah, I'm, my page is kind of, my online channels have kind of turned into a page talking about the ancient Americas and all the lost cities and everything. Um, and I, I hope to dive into it way more, you know, um, as time goes on and, and go on expeditions and discover things. I'd love to do the Amazon, but it's just so, you know, know, Percy Fawcett spent 20 years there and didn't, and he found some smaller towns, some pottery, some ancient relics, but he didn't find the city he was looking for it. It took Lidar to find it. But in Central America, I'll find something.

I'll find probably more than one city if I really commit myself to it and publishing it and talking about it, you know. Don't you have an expedition you want to talk about that you're going down? Yes, yes, I do. So I have an expedition that is March 17th through the 23rd. 3rd, March 24, we're going to be going to Chichenita, Ushmall,

Ekbalam, Lobnash, Skitsmook, and a set of uncharted ruins that are off in the middle of the jungle. They don't even have a name, and there will be a couple other surprises, sites that people will go to with us. The spots are filling up. A bunch of people from the Cosmic Summit have

signed up. They were some of the first people that signed up. And then we've got Cosmic Summit coming up. Next summer, it's going to be I believe in Greensboro, North Carolina, and you guys can sign up for that. That was probably one of the coolest ancient civilization events I'd ever. Really? Yeah, I mean, Randall's going to be there, Ben's going to be there, Jananna James.

There's a bunch of other guys that are there. It was probably, yeah, it was the coolest event with all the people who all had the same interests all came together. And everybody from the Cosmic Summit still chats today. Like there's a giant group chat, and there's a Discord now that people can check out. And we all, and it's got all these little subcategories. I got to get on that. Yeah, it's got all these little subcategories of different topics

that have to do with ancient civilizations. You got to link me up to that discord. Yeah, I will. I will. But yeah, as far as our tour, I'm going with a guy named N-E-X-T. Have you ever heard of him? N-E-X-T? Yeah, N-E-X-T, he's an American, but he lives in Cairo Egypt. So he's like an Egyptologist, like expert Egyptologists.

And a dude knows everything. But he's in the United States for a little bit out of the year, and he and I have gotten close. We've gotten close over the past year because he also specializes in the study of the Maya. So he has a company called Adept Expeditions, and I'll be co-hosting a tour through his company Adept Expeditions. The host is called Lost Cities of the Maya. So we're going to be visiting the height of the fall of the Maya. So when they were building their last great cities, when they were at the city, when they were at their technological, scientific, astronomical prowess,

these are the cities that they were building. And that's what we're going to be visiting. Wow, dude. Yeah, someday, someday I got to get you to come. I got to get down there, right. We've got to do like a group trip. Definitely. Yeah.

What about your YouTube channel? You got a YouTube channel? Yeah, yeah. You guys can find me on anything. So it's Luke Caverns, L-U-K-E-C-A-V-E-R-N-S. You can find me on anything. My social medias are really what kind of have taken off, but I'm looking to like really start pushing

my YouTube. I think I figure that out the format that I want to do it. You know, because I do like 60 second videos on my social media. And I was thinking maybe I shouldn't do super long videos on my YouTube, but the super long videos are what people want. So now I'm shooting for 20 to 30, 35 minute videos. I just did one about the Olmex. And then I'm going to touch on some of the topics we talked about here today in the future. Amazing, dude. Well, I'll link everything below. Oh, before we go. I have something for you. Oh, ready. Yeah. Give me a second. Oh, dear. Okay, so this is...

Did you loot this from one of the ancient Olmec temples? No, but no, but this comes from... This comes from Palanke. For real? Yeah. So I bought it at Palanke. It's handmade by people who are there. I'm honored.

I can't wait to see what this is. Whoa, dude. Yeah, so that's the temple of inscriptions. And then that's the... Man's reach should exceed his grasp. That's the final thing that Percy Fawcett's wife said to him before he went missing. So that's the temple of inscriptions at Palenke. It's very similar to the temple of the sun that acts as like an astronomical calendar for the Maya people.

But that's where that megalithic sarcophagus that we talked about earlier was found at the bottom of that pyramid. Wow, dude, this is. Yeah. So that's handmade by the local Maya people. What is it made out of? Um, it's like clay, stucco, something like that. Yeah, but it's handmade by the people who are out there. Um, and I bought that.

There's like a, there's like a little market that's off to the side of the pyramid where, where local Maya people make little arts and crafts by hand. And I bought that from one of them. Dude, that thing is, that's so cool. Yeah. So I was thinking it might be cool. It's a good one of your days. I wish I might keep it right here.

Cool. That's the coolest thing anyone's ever gave me, dude. Oh, really? I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's, um, uh, I also brought. brought this. I got to keep this one. This one's pretty cool. So this is a, this is a, I'm sorry, this is a Maya

Jaguar whistle. So the, have you ever heard of Aztec death whistle before? They show it on, they showed on Joe Rogan's podcast where he tried. Calderon brought one, brought it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you try to blow into it and they can't do it very well. So the Aztec whistles, you guys want to look at that. So the Aztec whistles, the Aztecs would sit up in like the hilltops outside of, outside of like their enemy encampments and they would blow the death whistle, death whistle and it would sound like women screaming. Or maybe like, like, maybe it was Mountain Lions, Pumas.

You know how Pumas when they scream, they sound like a woman screaming? Well, this is not that. This is a jaguar whistle meant to sound like the roar of a jaguar. Should I try to do it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. They're like the Maya people can actually do it well.

So you don't just blow into it, because if you blow into it, it sounds like, like that, but you have to cup it and release your hands. hand and it sounds like a jaguar going like wow wow i'll do it this is going to be terrible okay it sounds like wow wow wow you know like so if a jaguar is like like pawing at somebody yeah dude so yeah but that's nuts let me see it you can try it so when they uh so when they're out in the jungle and they you know i guess they wanted to scare people off they make the sound of a jaguar to i guess

as a defense you know that's what they that's what they think that it was for So this is how when do you think this was made? God, dude, anywhere from the 1400s to I don't know, 500 AD somewhere around there. That is probably, that's probably, this one is probably not that old. That is amazing. Yeah, so yeah, these are pretty cool. It's got like a, like the, uh, yeah. What is that, what is that thing on the side of?

Dragon? Yeah, like Dragon, Jaguar, you know. That's incredible. Yeah, it's pretty freaking cool. So they have a lot of little cool stuff, but I just wanted to, I wanted to bring that to do it on the podcast. I just thought that'd be a fun thing to bring up. You bringing me on here, man. This is the first time I've ever done anything like this.

And I hope, you know, all went well. And, you know, thank you. It was crazy. It was amazing, man. Thank you so much for coming down. Big things are coming, man. This is people are going to, their minds are going to be blown by this podcast.

I have no doubt. Oh, thank you very much. All right, man. Let's get you on your flight. Yes, sir. All right. Goodbye, everybody.