Danny Jones Podcast - #208 - New Evidence Links TESLA Technology to The GREAT PYRAMID | Chris Dunn

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Watch part 1 here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Nz3gtCfx43GlbgCHnL8O8?si=21669982d60743c7 EPISODE LINKS The Giza Power Plant - https://a.co/d/fCRGjDI Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt - https://a.co/d/6fgwE0j The Tesla Connection - https://a.co/d/2rf5AUZ SPONSORS https://ver.so/danny - Use code "danny" for 15% off https://mudwtr.com/danny - Use code "danny" for 15% off FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Who gets to rewrite Egypt's ancient history? 11:40 - How the Great Pyramid produced hydrogen gas 26:20 - The Djedi project 34:22 - How were the pyramid mechanisms maintained? 40:40 - Exterior wells used to pump chemicals into the shafts 47:10 - Chris built a model of the pyramid shafts to test his chemical theory 58:27 - Why hasn't the Great Pyramid been scaled down & replicated? 01:39 - The TESLA Connection 06:24 - Marfa lights in Texas 13:19 - Use of hydraulics on the Giza plateau 01:18:01 - Serapeum boxes 01:32:11 - The incredible PRECISION of ancient granite boxes 01:40:15 - Faking measurements? 01:43:57 - Mysterious PURPOSE for the precise granite boxes 01:56:20 - Use of crystals to grow rocket engines using nanotechnology 02:07:54 - Chris' hands-on experiments w/ The Petrie core 7 02:28:37 - Evidence of HEATING & softening granite? 02:33:07 - Aerospace engineer Eric Wilson 02:37:06 - Scans done on ancient vases Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We just finished covering the last three hours. We sort of covered your background in machining and engineering. And we got into all of the details of the Great Pyramid and the different chambers and shafts, which you theorized essentially that the Great Pyramid of Giza is a solid state electron harvester that gathers electrons from igneous rock deep inside the earth. and creates microwave energy. Did I get that right? Yeah. For the most part.

For the most part. Okay. Right. All right. So we're jumping back in. And we also talked about how there was a discovery that there was a huge hydrogen explosion inside of the King's Chamber. That's one I theorized, yeah.

And the theory is going back 12,000 years ago roughly when we know that We don't know. We don't know exactly, but it's potential that that could have happened during the great cataclysm that has supposedly happened 12,800, 13,000 years ago when a series of comets hit the earth, potentially comets, could have been solar mass ejections. I have to be clear on one thing, though. Yes. Two things. Okay. One is that as far as when the Great Pyramid was built.

And as far as who built it, I have no opinion on that. No opinion. I just focus on how and why. Right. Just focusing on the engineering. Now, as far as the who and when, my position is that it's up to the Egyptians. to decide answers to those questions.

Why is it up to the Egyptians? Because it's in their country. Oh, oh, you're talking about, okay, you're talking about the specific people that are involved in the science behind this stuff that are in Egypt, not necessarily, you're not referring to. Well, I mean, I think you're talking about different disciplines. Okay, so to understand the functions of the Great Pyramid

and to, you know, cause, allow, get it to work again, then you are going to need your, physicists and your scientists and technical skills, you know, on many levels. But as far as deciding the history of it and the time period when it was functioning, that could involve another branch of academia or the sciences to understand those questions. Right. And so, you know, I stay a out of that, the historical thing. And also the

whole issue of one thing I've always avoided is resorting to Atlantians or aliens. And there's a good reason for that. When you look at history and the

Egyptians and what they have experienced from outsiders who have come to their country, whether it's from Napoleon, you know, to the British and the Germans and the Americans, they see a lot of their treasured artifacts left the country. And some of those artifacts they're demanding be returned or requesting they'd be returned. And so another thing,

aspect of that is not just the physical artifacts are now leaving the country, but also the heritage is being questioned, and by some people who claim that, well, the Egyptians were not capable of doing that. And so, therefore, it must have been another race. and I think that is where there is a misunderstanding in terms of how that is interpreted by the Egyptians because it's like well, not only are they ripping off our artifacts

but they're ripping off our history and our, you know, our heritage and so they're very sensitive to that. I don't want to do that because we don't know. And, you know, when you consider looking at these artifacts that are beautifully crafted, beautifully finished, and if you look at what happens to any civilization after a cataclysm, what would happen to its industries, to its scientists, to all the specialized skills that exist,

within the culture that make that civilization function. I mean, it's so myriad and dynamic and varied and nuanced, and it's, you know, no one person can interpret everything about what happened in a particular culture at a particular time. There's nobody. Archaeologists, historians, they don't know. They just have a very, very narrow field of view into society today. Can you imagine what they, you know, the viewpoint in societies that lived thousands of years ago?

It gets really murky, really quickly. Yeah. So if you think about it, if our society, if America was suddenly hit with a comet and everything was destroyed, we would be brought to our knees, all our technologies would disappear over time, everything would. would be destroyed, a large section of the population would disappear. You know, there would be an extinction event that have been in the past, and there could be again. So what happens then? I mean, in terms of the survivors, what are they going to be doing?

They're not going to be going on Facebook and, you know, checking their iPhone. For long, all the cell towers that go down, everything would become, right? So they'd be stuck in caves trying to survive, scrimping the soul. How long does it take a person who is reduced to rubble, you know, everything that they've known and enjoyed, how long does it take for them to build back to that particular stage? Right. And to say that the people that survived a cataclysm in America were not capable at some point in their history of doing wonderful and amazing things. And, you know, having brilliant scientists arise out of the general population and do brilliant and amazing things.

to say that that particular culture could not support an advanced civilization. I think he's wrong. It's just a matter of, you know, our civilization has been dependent on, first of all, resources, right? Human resources and also the physical resources of nature that provide us with, abundance and freedom, freedom for educating people and developing programs where, instead of being out in the field, they're giving potatoes or whatever to feed the family, they're sent off to university to learn physics and, you know, and it's kind of like that development. You have to have that, that, that, that, the underpinning,

of science is based on people having that kind of freedom and people around them that recognize that they are different and that they should be nurtured and developed and they can eventually benefit everybody. And whereas if you're just living in an agrarian society and just to live, just to survive, you've got to work the land. The education institutions no longer exist, and if they did, you won't have time to go to them. Or they may be repurposed to do something else, I don't know. So, yeah, I mean, it's a scary thought, really, when you think about it. Yeah, it was a crazy advanced civilization that had essentially hit the reset button

on everything. Yeah. We would lose, like if that happened right now, we would have, within 500 years, there would be no evidence of any of the skyscrapers. There would be nothing left except for Mount Rushmore, the Great Pyramids, and like the Hoover Dam, right? The stone structure would survive.

Maybe, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like to say the Egyptians, because when you look at how they lived and worked 5,000 years ago, I mean, they did have an amazing civilization just at that period of time. But to say that there was no point in that history when they were capable of building the pyramids, I think is a mistake. You just have to know what period of time it was when the destruction came and everything stopped.

Which is a very interesting perspective that I haven't heard anybody. It seems like there's so much war going on between people that are talking about this and debating this. It's become such an entrenched ideology and almost like a religion for some people to where they just want to fight. But like you said, yeah, it is entirely possible that it, the, The Egyptians that came later were just the survivors of who came before, who had the tools and had the machines to build some of these insanely precise structures and objects and machines. Right. I mean, the evidence is there. All you have to do is recognize it.

Take measurements. Right. Yeah. Like you have done. So we're looking at the Queen's Chamber right now on your slides. We talked about the hydrogen explosion, and it would be probably a good thing to talk about where the hydrogen was created. Yes. Why hydrogen was considered to be the gaseous medium where a mazer activity takes place.

Okay. So if we look at the Queen's Chamber, it had two shafts in 1872. Wayman Dixon detected a crack in the wall and found that he could push a rod through into perceivably an open space. So he had the limestone chiseled out. Initially they were not connected to the chamber. Really?

Right. See, that's a very, very important point is that there was a five-inch, what they call, five-inch left, it's been called, where the shaft was cut almost to the inside wall,

but five inches remained. Then there was a crack. So there's your five inches, there's your crack. Right? Then, in 1993, Three, Rudolf Gantambrink explored this shaft, and he found that it ended at a stone block.

Okay, before I go further with this, I should add that Weyman Dixon also opened up the northern shaft. the tab by tapping on the wall and detecting a hollow space directly opposite the other shaft. He chiseled the limestone out there and opened up that shaft. So you've got two shafts that are closed off at the chamber. They don't connect with the chamber. They just have that layer of limestone. Why do you think they weren't connected to the chamber? There's a reason for that.

I'm getting to it. Okay. All right. Good question. Thanks. So anyway, when you, when Gantambrink sent his robot up, he found this, he found the, what has been known as Gantambrick's door, right? And everybody's heard of that. And then through the door, he saw that there were two fittings, metal fittings.

I haven't read any metallurgical analysis of what the composition of the material is, but they have some very unusual features. Number one, which is important, is that the one on the left here that you see here, is shorter than this one. And they found a piece of it that was on the shaft floor. down, further down from it. So it had broken off or dropped off and fell down, right? This one was intact, but you can see that it was tapered from the top to bottom.

You can see a little tapering on that. Right. Okay, so there is a reason for that. So essentially, once that was decided, discovered and they were talking about drilling a hole through that limestone block. It's called a door. I mean, that shaft is only like 8 inch square. So a door for what?

There's no one going out there. You know, it's just a misnomer. Okay. I think actually, you know, Hawass was involved in that. And a door, it seems like, okay, we'll call it a door because maybe the Kufu's tomb is behind it. There's some treasure back there. Yeah.

So it's a door to some other mysteries. Right. Right. So anyway, when I, when they were testing the thickness on the door, I had published in my book, this image right here. and basically I had speculated that behind, these copper fittings or whatever material they made of

right were connected to some cables that went down to a chamber and the reason for the copper fittings or whatever the material was was to create a circuit they served as like a fluid switch.

So if you can imagine like what is the purpose of these shafts where they closed at the bottom end and closed at the top end. Right. Why? What would they be using? Right. What would pass through there? There's only one substance that would pass through, and that is a fluid.

How would a fluid get into a fluid? closed off shaft with no openings. Well, that's it. They had to have been pumped from below, from somewhere below, right? Okay. And so the two chemicals, there was a chemical engineer that worked at the company I was working at, and his name was Joe Dreyuski. And I said, well, okay, what two chemicals could I mix to produce?

hydrogen and he gave me a formula for it. It was hydrated zinc and and a dilute hydrochloric acid solution. Okay. So looking at the erosion or corrosion of the of the pens and considering the operation, you have a layer of of you have a layer of fluid that is covering the pins creating a circuit okay

and so electricity flows from one of those I call them electrodes one of those electrodes to the other electricity is flowing okay okay and so that signals a closed

condition okay all right Okay. So when the fluid drops below the level of those pins, then the circuit opens. Now, what is important is the metering of this fluid into the chamber. And so, you know, by a gathering information from numerous sources, I was puzzling over the Queen's Chamber shafts,

and I was talking to a civil engineer. He was doing percolation tests in the property I had in Southern Indiana. Well, Southern Indiana has a lot of limestone, as you know, right? And so I was out talking to him as he was doing a percolation test. And basically what that is, he digs a hole, right? And then he times, it fills it with water, and then he times the disappearance of the water to determine how many cubic feet that you would need

to handle a septic system, right? Okay. For a house. Okay. And so basically, you know, your fluid waste goes into a septic tank and then it's dispersed through these runs that will distribute it through several pipes into the surrounding soil.

So I asked him, I said, well, what do you do if you're doing a percolation test around Bedford where there's a lot of limestone? What happens then? So you dig it into limestone? you still drill a test hole and fill it with water and he said yes I said really he said yeah they said we you'd drill your test hole and and then you would determine what the dispersion rate is or the percolation rate and I said well okay that's interesting and what

determines the, of the percolation rate. He said the head pressure. The what pressure? The head pressure. The head pressure. Right. So really, that is the weight of water or the weight, yeah, weight of the fluid that's pressing down on the limestone, pushing it through the limestone.

You got it? Yes. So it goes through the limestone at a certain rate. At a certain rate. but in order for that rate to be precise and continuous, the head pressure or the column of fluid has to be maintained at a certain level. So how exactly does the fluid get in there?

It gets in through these things, these two things? Well, no. I proposed that there was a behind this particular limestone block. There would be a vertical shaft going down to the bedrock and where you had the equipment necessary and supplies necessary to pump more fluid behind the Gantambriggs door and then replenish the shaft and maintain that level. And it replenishes the shaft by going through the shaft. the limestone, which is the door? No, there is a gap underneath the door, and there's also a notch on the side. So, yeah, there won't be any problem with it going through there.

So as long as... Another point I want to make is that, you know, a part of the evidence to support that, I did. You say there's a gap under there? Yeah, there's a little notch in the corner over there. Okay. is the, those pins are tapered top to bottom. They're thicker at the top of the bottom. Right.

Right. So if you've got a corrosive fluid that is covering those and then slowly dropping, then you would actually have a corrosive effect that would leave a taper because the lower parts of that pin would be submissive. it because the lower parts of that pen would be submerged longer than the upper parts of the pin. Right. And then when the fluid gets below the pins not touching it anymore, that's when they're triggered to fill it with more. Right. Exactly.

Exactly. And notice this kind of substance around there. It's like an insulation. Mm-hmm. Right. Well, this becomes a little more interesting as we get in. to further research. Okay.

All right. Okay, so we got that. Now, when they actually did the exploration, they used a, this is about like an impact test, thickness tester, where the... Of the door. Of the door, yeah. They measure the thickness of the limestone. They were recording it down there, and it's 3.25 inches.

Okay. Right. And so in my drawing, I had illustrated 3.64 inch. Interesting. So just a little bit off, but still close, right? So this is before they drilled. After they had drilled, they found that there was no indication of wiring in their images

because it was like a fish eye lens and everything was focused straight through straight through and there was no articulation of the camera or anything like that so they were unable to look around but I had I I had kind of modified my theory a little bit and posted it on my website, and I proposed that the shaft may exist, but it may have been on an angle, and it may go to the outside, to the south. So, you know, it's just like, okay, we get more information, we adjust the theory, and we could still be wrong. Right. And I probably still am. but at least we're making progress, right?

Okay, so then, after that, the Jedi program, it was a dentist from Hong Kong who was very, very energetic and very persistent, visiting Dr. Hawass numerous times, and trying to get permission to do an exploration. And he got a team together from England, Leisure University. And so they created a robot. They called it the Jedi. And they were going to put the robot where?

They were going to put the robot up the Southern Shire. Okay. Yeah. Maybe. Actually, I should probably go in order. Before that. Sure. Okay.

When the pyramid, it was a pyramid rover in 2002, when they explored the southern shaft and they drilled through it and they went up the northern shaft. Oh. Gantambrink tried to go up the northern shaft when he sent his rover up there and it gripped the ceiling. and the floor, and he can't get around some obstructions in the bend. Okay. Okay. The bend that goes around the Grand Gallery. Right.

Okay. And so the pyramid role of what the team, what they did is they turned their device on the 90 degrees, and it gripped the walls instead of the ceiling and the floor. Okay. And they got up and they visited the, found the ceiling. same kind of condition, a blockage at the end of the shaft. Wow. And the pins in this case look a little different than they did in the southern shaft.

So the pins here are basically you have the left one. It has this kind of a white substance on it. And on this particular pin, it's clear. This pin also is recessed in the granite. I mean in the limestone. The limestone was cut away. There was a groove cut away, and that pin is recessed in the limestone. I got an email from a guy in England, and he said, you know, they used recess catholes to extend the life of an electrode.

And I was like, cool, that's pretty good. So these recesses weren't evident in the south shaft, though, just in the north shaft. Right, just in the north shaft. Okay. But there's something else. There was something else in the north shaft that was recorded at that time, but it remained hidden until just like a couple of years ago, 2000, which we'll get into. Okay. We'll go back to the Jedi exploration.

And what they explored the Southern Shaft with their robot, they got to an articulating camera that went through the same hole that the Pyramid Rover drilled, and got to look around. and interestingly you see that the pins, when they push through and enter the space behind Gansombrink's door, they're looped around and seemed to be locked into position in the back of the so-called door. And so you also see in this as a kind of like a white substance. Yes. around that, right?

Mm-hmm. And then on this one, it seems fairly clean, except this is like, it seems like this is a, some kind of a rubber washer or something. It looks like a stain on the stone. Could be. Could be.

You never know. I mean, until you can physically examine everything, you can, you can just speculate, I guess. They also were able to look, on the floor behind the door, and they picked up these symbols that were painted with presumably red ochre

on the floor. And you have, you have this... What is that? Device right here. And then there was kind of like a letter five. That does look like a number five, doesn't it?

Yeah, and something similar here, but it's, you know, it's hard to really tell. Yeah. So, and then there was also a line, right? Mm-hmm. Which was basically right in line with the, the pens that came through the door. Okay. Right. So, they didn't know what those, uh,

what those markings were, they assumed that they were Mason's marks. I actually said, well, no, they're electricians symbols, electrical symbols. And what this one is is a twisted pair, right? So you've got a cable with two eyes coming out of it. And then a couple of clips, one on that side and one of that side, positive and negative. and then the line on the the line on the floor is to identify the polarity of the door

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How would people get up in there, though? to read that. Good question. When you read more of my book, you'll find out. I read the whole thing. Okay. Maybe I blacked out on this chapter. Maybe.

Or maybe I know the answer. I'm just asking you. It is a maintenance issue, right? Right. Because if you've got, it's like, okay, so we see that one of those electrodes was heavily eroded to the point where a part of it broke off, right? Mm-hmm. Without presumably any intervention by human beings or man or mouse, right?

Right. So there had to have been some action on that particular electrode for it to break off. And that's where your dilute hydrochloric acid comes from. Okay. Okay. Then, you know, the other part to that is the, because that broke off and because it is an item that would need to be replaced on occasion, then they would have to have some way of accessing it. And I first thought about, you know, there is a theory, a theory put out by Jean-Pierre Hudan, who, claims that there was an internal ramp

and they used that ramp to hallstones up and build the pyramid. And so I was thinking about the internal ramp but then I kind of settled on the idea that the most efficient and quickest way to get to that particular spot would be on the south face. Just a very short tunnel.

for maintenance workers to reach the back of that door, pull out the existing door, and put another one in there. So they could remove the outermost blocks of the face of the pyramid and just go right in there? Yeah. So there would be some way of accessing it. Okay. On the south. There would have to be some way of accessing it because, you know, obviously it would need to be replaced periodically. Okay. There's a drawing in my book that I show that. Right.

Okay. So that's it on the southern shaft. And so there is still more to learn about at what point or where the fluid is introduced. I had assumed that the fluid was introduced behind the blockage, or behind the Gantambrink store, and its counterpart on the north side. So my scheme was that the chemicals will be delivered to the back of those blocks, right? That was until 2021. And there's a YouTube channel, Ancient Architects,

and they created a video that showed all the, a load of photographs that were taken by the Pyramid Rover that had never been released to the public before. And it was the Pyramid Rover actually photographs at stages as it was climbing up that shaft to reach the so-called door of the blockage. right? And about halfway up, about 90 feet up, they came across this.

So there's an opening in that shaft, and it's near one of the bends. You see the two rods there. Those were exploratory rods that were pushed up there. And you can also see that there's a lot of trash in there. Yeah. But the area in front of that opening is fairly clean. Yes. How far up the shaft is the store is opening?

98 feet or something like that. Wow. And is this in both north and the south shafts? That is a good question. So we still have to... This is south or north? Right here? This is north. This is north. And it's on the east side. Right? I'm sorry, I'm blanking, but north is the side of the door. Of the entrance. Not Gaten Brinks door, that's the south. That's the south. Okay, got it.

Yeah, okay. This is the north shaft. Gantambricks is on the south. Okay, so this is the one on the side of the Grand Gallery? Right, exactly. Okay. Right. Oh, there's a whole, that's a whole topic.

So where does this space lead to, this little access? That's an unknown right now. How could they not have found out where this goes, with all the scans that have been done? Well, yeah, I mean, it was actually in an article that was written by Zai Hawass, and this image appeared in that article, but it was in some arcane journal, you know, and no mention of it whatsoever. It seemed, and so, you know, it seemed like everybody was more interested in the destination rather than the journey. They were, they were just pressing on to seeking the end of the, of the, of the, of the shaft rather than paying attention to what was appearing in the cameras on the way up there.

That's, that's insane. Yeah, isn't it, though? So this could be where they introduced the chemicals. Right. Exactly. Where do you speculate the other end of this little doorway is? Right here. Where's this?

This looks like it's outside. It's outside the pyramid. And it's on the east side near the center of the pyramid. Okay. Okay. So this vertical shaft is like there are two parts to it, right? and left, right? But it's kind of interesting.

The surface of this wall, what we're seeing right here, the back wall is kind of interesting. It doesn't appear to be natural limestone,

and it's kind of like there's a separation between it and this wall right here, you see? Right. Right? So I don't know what was happening. in pre-history or in... It looks like stairs down there. Yeah.

But the... No, they're not stairs. Oh, okay. But the... A funny story, when I was there in 2021, my hat blew off and landed down in there. Oh, no. Yeah.

Did you go get it? No. A very nice young man, Egyptian young man, jumped down and got it from it. Oh, that was nice. Yeah. So it was windy.

But the... So, you know, so... You know, what I would like to do is to, you know, do an experiment and fill the North shaft, you know, just cap it off in the Queen's Chamber and just pump water in it until it reaches the level of that opening and then monitor what goes on on the outside and see where it goes. Where do we get, how do we get the liquid into the north shaft through here? No, no. Through the Queen's Chamber. Go into the Queen's Chamber, cap off the Northern Shaft. And fill the Queen's Chamber up with water?

No, fill the shaft with water. Just start pumping water into the shaft. Okay, pump water into the shaft and then the sea of water comes out of here. Right. Okay. That'd be cool if we could do that. Probably not in my lifetime. Or couldn't you just fill this thing up with water until it eventually comes out of, see if it ever comes out of the shop?

Well, he could never do that. So you never could do that because of the different levels. Oh, got it. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. It would just start pouring out of here. I got it. Yeah. It's gravity.

Gravity. Damn gravity. Damn gravity. So. Wow. So this would be potentially, what do you think the function of this would be? this opening here outside of the pyramid. This would facilitate some means to deliver the chemicals to the individual shafts,

one on the northern shaft and the southern shaft. But didn't you just say if we poured stuff in there, it would never reach the shaft? Not without pushing it up there. Oh, you'd have to push it. You'd have to push it. So, I mean, you would restore it to its original function and pump it up when there is a signal for more chemicals. Okay, so it would have to be pumped through there. Got it.

Right. And, okay. So then basically what we're doing is we're taking the idea that the chemicals were pumped all the way up here. And then, you know, I think it makes, you know, those Egyptians, they were brilliant, weren't they? So this east, on the bottom here, this east side bedrock chemical supply shaft, it looks like it's under, because this is a 2D diagram, but this is actually on the outside coming towards us, right? Exactly. And those shafts, those outer, those, okay, there's two outermost shafts that connect to it. That's the speculation at this point.

Right. You know, what the reality turns out to be is another matter. Right, right. Right now, there's kind of, there's hints. There is an area in the southern shaft that is of interest. Hopefully, they will be able to find something out soon if they go back in there and explore it. Okay, so this is assuming that that same little opening is in the southern shaft, but we only have found it in the northern shaft. Right.

Okay. So chemicals are being introduced through this outside shaft through the ground, being pumped up into these south and north shafts, which slowly introduce these chemicals into the Queen's Chamber. And inside of the Queen's Chamber, what is happening with that chemical reaction? Well, ultimately, they would be mixed and boil off hydrogen. Then the hydrogen would fill the interior of the... Great Pyramid. Now, there are, there's other evidence that we haven't discussed.

And early explorers in the Queen's Chamber found that the walls were encrusted with salt up to about an inch thick. Really? Yeah, it's funny how that happened. When was this? I don't know what to appear in a time. I mean, if you're, if you're reading Piazzi-Smi, then, you know, he was reporting on earlier visitors being driven out of the chamber by a noisome odor, which, you know, kind of suggests a chemical reaction. Kind of like opening a kind of... Odor, yes. Selling salt, right?

Yeah. What happened to those smelling salt? Here they are. In case we need them. Yeah. The world needs to see Chris Dunn huff some smelling salts. No, they don't. So this is an experiment.

You reproduced in a lab. You reproduced what would be happening in those shafts with those electrodes were going through the door. Right. You can explain this better than me. Go ahead. No, you're doing fine. No. Basically, I created a model out of Plexiglass of the Gantambrink, a so-called door,

and I crafted these electrodes with the loop on the end. and also fitted it with clips shaped like a number five and wide it up to a light source. And then put it, then I model, I made a model of a tank, right? Same dimensions as the Southern Shaft. Okay. I'm much shorter length, obviously. 4 by 4.8? No.

No, these were more like 8 inches square. Okay. So then I, you know, fitted it up and, and demonstrated it to work. So that's, you know, it was a setup in the lab at Danville metal stamping and the, basically, you know, that, I actually took that photograph

when after the liquid had dropped but I demonstrated it for the ancient aliens folks and I had everything set up with the lights off and then filled the tank and brought the liquid up until it covered the pins and then the lights turned on

and so everything worked. That's why. So as soon as that liquid, which is what exactly is that liquid again? It's just regular water with some food coloring in it. Okay. And as soon as it reached the pins, it turned on the light. Right. So then the other part of the experiment was to create the hydrogen.

And I mixed the zinc and hydrochloric acid, dilute hydrochloric acid. And so the hydrogen boiled off, escaped through that chimney, and I put a flame to it. And is that like a solid flame that's being created right there from those from the zinc? Just where the gas is coming out at the top of that chimney. And it's sustained like that? It stays like that? Yeah. Wow.

Until the reaction in the chamber stops. Right. In the vessel stuff. Right, right. Right. So that would be the effect inside the Queen's Chamber. Yeah. Except without the flame, we hope.

Has there been no evidence of any other artifacts that could have been like the guts of the pyramid? Good question. One point before I address that question. And if I forget it, remind me because I'm getting old now. Okay. Another point to make is that when I made those pens, and I inserted them into the hole and then bent them down 90 degrees, right? I had to apply a little heat and the pressure that I had to exert on the end of that

to cause it to form. was a fairly, fairly significant amount of pressure that I had to put on it. And so when you look at the pins that are there now and the fact that one of them on the left broke up, there's no way that those pins, the one on the right or the left, could have been bent into that position after being installed. Right. Right.

they would have broken off before you actually got there. Because when they went to test the thickness of the limestone, whether intentionally or accidentally, the one on the right was shortened and broke off, but nobody said anything about it. Well, couldn't just, couldn't 10,000 years of corrosion, just made them break? You can believe that, if you wish.

But then how do you explain the northern shaft not being broken? I mean, yeah, I guess it's just a chance. If you got four metal pins and ask them all to survive 15,000 years, I mean, there's a chance one of them would break and three of them wouldn't, right? I doubt it. Okay. Fair enough. We've left alone with no interference of anything, any mechanical.

Right. chemical kind of now okay so there's one thing that I wanted to touch on that we kind of move past rather quickly when we were talking about

the input signal in the north from the northern shaft and then the south shaft with the horn antenna the the inlet point on the north shaft the shaft the shaft goes through a series of bends right so you see one band one two three four bends before it enters the king's chamber the point where it enters the king's chamber

is one quarter of the distance of the length of the chamber. So in, you know, like a resonant cavity, a standing wave, the quarter wave point is considered to be a point where the highest amplitude of sound would exist or the energy would be the greatest at the quarter wave point. That's a significant point. The other thing is that there are four bends rather than just one or two. Why?

And that is the design of waveguides, according to my good friend and aerospace engineer Eric Wilson, would be used to correct the beam. They go through different kind of steps. So you'll find along the shaft there is a step down in one area. Another place there is like a bump where the shaft is constricted. and so he believes that those are definitely, you know, like fingerprints of an ancient wave guide. Okay. The other point to make is you see where the shaft is located, right?

And the The theory about why it is bent Is to pass So it doesn't interfere with the Grand Gallery And you'll see where If it just went out straight Without those bends It would miss the Grand Gallery

Right Right And so that doesn't That seems to By about three feet Yeah Yeah And then

when you look at when it finally takes its last bend and goes up past the Grand Gallery, it passes the gallery by about 13 and a half feet. So that to me is significant. It means that I don't know how thick those wall blocks are of the Grand Gallery, but I can imagine that they are extremely thick. Meaning that all these bends, they are on purpose. Yes. They aren't just too.

It's not like they were just figuring this out as they went about building it. It's not like, oh, look, this is too close to this. Well, let's build it out this way. Like, no, these bends have a specific function. Right. This is a, uh, oh, wow. Pretty drawing of it. This was actually taken from Gantambrink's drawing.

So he's the one that did all the measurements. And so you see how that looks, right? Compared to if you wanted to just ventilate the chamber, you could just go straight down into it. And, you know, the position where that enters the chamber is so specific. The quarter wave location? The quarter wave location. It's undeniable.

What is so specific about it? that it's at a high energy point in the resonant chamber. Oh, okay. Yeah. The Cavigal Tunnel. What is that? The Caviglia. Caviglia was an Italian explorer who reportedly dug that tunnel to reach the northern shaft.

Oh, really? Yeah. And you see where that, mend ias. Yes. That's where Gantambrink installed a ventilation fan. Okay.

Yeah. And this sort of invisible shaft, the less complicated ventilation shaft, that is how they could have installed it. Oh, to be simple.

If they wanted to make it easier. Sure. That's the point I wanted to make. Okay. Very interesting. Yeah. Couldn't we scale this whole period? down and sort of test everything on a smaller scale to see if it works?

Like to make a pyramid that's like one-tenth the size of this pyramid just to see if it works on a smaller scale? That's a good question. And yeah, a lot of people will have asked that. I think in terms of scale, you can't really scale down a way. guide that has specific dimensions in order for it to function. Okay. So it's like, you know, it's going to be 8.4 inches. And then as far as how the entire system operates, it covers 13 acres. So it's collecting energy from over a 13 acre area.

Mm-hmm. And if you reduce that down, do you reach the level of the energy? The energy levels that you need in order for it to function. So I would say that in some, you know, if you wanted to test the Freund effect theory, and you wanted to be able to, you know, without all the mechanisms on the inside that you see in the Great Pyramid, you just wanted to force the release of a electron. from the lithosphere. And then, you know, you would build a simpler system to do that. But the other part of that is also is how do you collect that energy and how do you distribute it?

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So is this what it looked like when it was working? So, okay, I see the vibrations coming from underneath the earth hitting up into that 13-acre square bottom base of the pyramid. Right. And it's, okay. And it's traveling up there. and it's the, you know, the interesting thing about, the first thing I noticed about the chambers in the pyramid,

they're not directly underneath the very tip of the pyramid. You know, I would imagine that you'd want this thing to be symmetrical. Like, it's off center, which is interesting to me. That's interesting. The Queen's Chamber is pretty much central. Okay. Right? and the top of the Grand Gallery is pretty much central,

but the King's Chamber is offset. It's offset, right? Okay, and I see you have here around the King's Chamber, there's like a square around it. Well, that's just, yeah, that's nothing, yeah. Okay, and this dome, what is this dome that we're seeing around the whole period? Well, that is the Tesla connection. That's the Tesla connection.

With the Freund, you see, with Freund's, experiments he needed he needed to have the handshaking going on so as these positive holes are released from the lithosphere they have to join with negative electrons and basically create you know create that energy flow so this would be the energy that's created would be sort of like free energy in the air it would power everything that they had. It'd be, you know, based on, you know, it's a nod to Nicola Tesla and his Walden Cliff Tower, right? His what?

The Warden Cliff Tower and his vision of wireless distribution of energy, right? So if you have like a, you know, like a cage over the pyramid, you could have several connection points that go to the surface of the pyramid, where that handshaking takes place. And then it's radiated out through the dome. Whoa. I know it's crazy, right? Isn't it more like science fiction? It really is.

Yeah. It really, but everything is like science fiction nowadays. Well, you know, the thing is, is that the more you learn about what the ancient Egyptians were capable of, I don't think you can put limits on your imagination to determine the full extent of it. You know, it's kind of like, you know, we say, well, this couldn't be done today. And I've always avoided that kind of conclusion that it can't be done today. But I also think at the same time that it's like, well, what else were they doing? that we don't know about.

Right. We're only just scratching the surface. We clearly don't think and operate the same way. Because if they were building things like that, they went down an entirely different path than we went down. Yeah. Because if we're on the trajectory that we're on now, as far as our civilization goes and the way we harvest energy

and the way we do everything, it's, we're going to end up at a complete, if we keep going down, we'd have to completely start from scratch to get to here. Well, we may end up that way anyway when you consider, you know, the reserves of coal and oil in the world.

Do you think there's a possibility that we could end up, we could end up with something like this? On our current path? It would take, it would take somebody, certainly wouldn't be, you know, a political, it wouldn't be a political thing. The government probably wouldn't do it.

It would be a political thing. Yeah, it may become, I don't know. If somebody sees this and decides that money could be made and our profit could be made, then I think that it's possible. you know, take somebody like an Elon Musk who is building all these cars. He only spent $55 billion on Twitter. He could spend half of that

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earthquake lights. We should be able to find something like this on Google. You should. Yeah. So, but then again, you know, this drive for everybody to go electric and building all these electric cars, how are they going to be eventually powered, you know? They're still powered by, burned by coal and these typical power plants that we have now. You know, in my book, I show a, a graphic of a coal pyramid. Do you? Next to the Great Pyramid, right? In 2021, they mined, by weight,

enough coal to equal 76 Great Pyramids. What? Just in the United States. That's bizarre. Very bizarre. Yeah. But that's what they did. 76 times the size of the Great Pyramid.

It really baffles my mind that there's not some like really smart super billionaires around the world that could be fascinated enough in this technology and just the stuff that you've dug into and uncovered and theorized that they would want to sort of back into. engineer this thing for real. Well, you've got to, hopefully that people will start to turn into it. I mean, you know, right now my book isn't even available, so people aren't reading it. Well, the Giza Power Plant is. The Giza Power Plant is, but the Tesla connection is like the Giza Power Plant on steroids, right? It's got a lot more to it. Because it introduces the idea of the Igmius Rock,

creating energy. Yeah, the frowned effect. The frowned effect, right. And what do the other two pyramids have to do with the big pyramid? Are they similar in construction? Well, I think that every, most, all the pyramids, really, were served the same purpose. They just performed in different ways. But essentially, you have a very energetic part of the world, which is that part of Egypt,

and drawing energy from the Earth's lithosphere. I mean, you go to Sakara. It's a very lively place, very lively, you know. What do you mean lively? Vibrations. Oh. Tectonically live? Well, whether it's, yeah, I mean, it's tectonic or just the way it has been terraformed in a way to,

they've got a lot of these deep shafts and tunnels, miles and miles of tunnels in and around, under and around the bent pyramid, the step pyramid. So, yeah, I mean, I think that whole, that whole area, areas, a massive energy manufacturing site. Yeah. Have any explorations been done on the other two pyramids that are next to the great pyramids to this level? Like, do they know if they have the shafts and all the chambers just like this? No.

And one of the things that, that, one of the criticisms that I've received over the years is that I seem to be looking at this out of context and in isolation. So I isolate the Great Pyramid and I analyze the Great Pyramid to the exclusion of all the other pyramids. Right. Right. Fair enough. The only thing is, is that in terms of doing a reverse engineering study, there's more information. The Great Pyramid has produced more information and more interest than any of all the other pyramids combined for researchers.

So, you know, the available information on it and the technical aspects of it and the dimensions of it have been a focus of many, many researchers over the years. And so all that information is like preliminary information. whenever you're doing a reverse engineering project is taking measurements of what you want to reverse engineer. And all that work has been done over and over. Right. I wonder if the other two pyramids, though, could have been like backup generators or something. They could have served as a like some like sort of a crutch for the big pyramid or something. If there was any sort of, there had to have been some sort of function for those.

Yeah, I think. I think they all worked in unison and they may, you know, played off each other. Because, you know, frequencies, sound. I've described the Great Pyramid as a huge musical instrument because of its nature. Right. When you go on the inside of it. Right. Now, what about the Sphinx?

How do you think the Sphinx ties into it? Do you think that's a part of the engineering? You know, we talked about Cadman's high. hydraulic pump generator, right? A little bit we did, yes. Okay. So if you look at the water erosion, I mean, the Sphinx enclosure, and the signs of water erosion in and around the Giza Plateau, there are deep shafts, you know, to near, well, the

pyramids to the east, small pyramids, queens pyramids, they call them, to the east. of the Great Pyramid. Right. And then some shafts that have signs of water erosion, some shafts are clear, like no water erosion whatsoever. And then there is a really deep shaft that's off to the south. When I saw it in 2001, they had dug down about 100 feet,

and they were still digging sand out of it. I don't know what the status of that project is anymore. So there was obviously a lot going on, and hydraulics does seem to enter into the picture. And when I look at each of the pyramids individually, and you see different features on the inside, like the Great Pyramid, it has that subchamber, there's no exit point for water to flow to

and so when I think of the Cadman model in terms of a hydraulic pulse generator my thoughts turn towards can we find the Cadman is there images of his model? Yeah, probably but my thoughts turn to having

underneath the entire platform a much larger pulse generator that causes the entire plateau to vibrate. And so you're releasing electrons not just for one single pyramid, but every pyramid on that site. Whoa. That's the conchal. So what did he theorize that was happening with this? I don't theorize anything. No, what did he, what was his idea?

That is a, I think that is the Edward Conkel model. Oh, okay. Right. Which John abandoned. Okay. Because he couldn't get it to work. And he focused on just the lower parts of the subchamber, which he did get to work. But.

Yeah, he built a replica for this thing at his house, right? Yeah. Yeah. I went out and visited him. Yeah, and you mentioned that when he demonstrated it working, you felt some rumblings underneath your feet. I certainly made the ground shake. Yeah, that was an interesting visit. And I met a, it was a hydraulic engineer that met us down there.

His name was Jack Cole, Dr. Jack Cole. so John started up his machine or his pump and then it started to flow down into a catch basement they had a

I think it was a spring loaded valve at the bottom and and then there was when the valve closed there was a shockwave that was shot back up into the chamber

oh wow causing causing the ground to shake. What I found most interesting was the beat. It was beat like a heart. Like a heartbeat. Yeah. Loved up, looped up, lubed up, about 60 beats a minute.

So I found that interesting. But, you know, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of interesting research going on. Backyard research. Right, yeah. Yeah, no No, go up to where it showed the Yeah, right there, the Nile River.

Oh, wow. So, okay, when Ben was on here, he described the large granite boxes that are in the Serapium. And I think you measured them personally by hand. You found out that they were

almost perfectly square inside and polished. And they were in the, this this long hallway and separated almost like it was horse stables. And they were kind of like depressed down into the floor a little bit too. And people speculate, or the Egyptologists theory on this is that those were the tombs, right? That's where they put the mummies? Supposedly.

That's what they say. For an apis ball, yeah. That's the official. That's the official name. Right. Okay. Now, what do you think the purpose of those, those massive granite boxes with perfect precision? What do you think the purpose was for those? Oh, did we have time? Do. I'd rather just talk about the, I don't know. There is a...

You don't like talking about it? There is a chapter in my book, right, on the Serapium. And it introduces some ideas that I picked up along the way and addresses some of the criticism that I've received. Some of it rather harsh and incorrect. And some of it quite nasty. So the problem that you have, When you're talking about measurements and you're going into a, obviously, a site where work has been performed, whether it is a site you would go to today or a site that was created 5,000, 10,000 years ago.

Pick your date, I don't know. And you are doing an analysis. How far do you go with your analysis? What are your motives for going now, right? My history with the Serapium goes back to 1995. And in 1995, I went to Egypt on the invitation of Graham Hancock and Robert Bavall. Graham was in the finishing stages of his book, The Fingerprints of the Gods. And I had read Robert Bavall's book, The Orion Mystery, and in that book he had described

Gantambrink's exploration of the sunshap. So I was very interested in that, very excited about that. And so I sent a letter to Robert via his publisher and enclosed a copy of my article, Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt, which appeared in analog science fiction, science fact. 1984, August 1984. It appeared as a fact article, by the way. Oh, nice. Congratulations. Not science fiction. Not pseudoscience, I mean?

No, no, no. And so, and that's another story. Maybe we could talk about that. But anyway, you want to talk about the Serapian. Then one day after, yeah, I went over there. They interviewed me in the King's Chamber. and then the following day they were off to film in the Serapium. And I met a guy there, his name was Robert McKenzie,

and he was a Canadian who was doing some research for a website that he had developed. It was an educational thing. I think it was sunship.com, I think it was the name of it. So anyway, he suggested that we get a taxi. He wanted to show me an artifact at Sakari. He wanted to get a taxi out. And then after he showed me that, he thought that maybe I would proclaim it to have been

a very precise machined artifact. I looked at it and I said, No, it's not conclusive. And so after that, we said, well, Graham and the lads are over at the Serapium. Why don't we just head on over there? Okay. So we went over to the Serapium,

and they were filming in some part. Robert and I walked down one of the passageways, you know, the underground passageways. And I'm looking around and this is my first experience seeing the Serapium. And I'm just like blown away. Never knew it existed before, never heard of it. And so I had with me, I had a what we call in the shop, a lot of machinists out there will recognize it.

It's a parallel, you know, just a six-inch parallel that you use. in machining vices for machining blocks. It looks like a ruler with a T on the top of it? No. No, it's just a parallel. Just a straight piece of steel. Okay. Very precise edges, I mean, you know, within about two-tenths of an inch.

Oh, wow. So it's fairly close. Pretty straight. Right, pretty straight. And so I jumped down into one of the crypts. They call them crypts. But the interesting thing about these crypts is that they're about three, three and a half, four feet below the surface, the floor of the tunnel, right? Okay, right.

And then these boxes that weigh probably 70 tons, the box is about 13 feet long, seven, half feet wide, about eight feet high. It's recessed into a recess in the floor. So, you know, the floor was actually dug out, and these boxes would drop down into this crypt and then inserted into these recesses. Very interesting. So while there, I just went to the out,

I was on the outside of it, and I put the parallel up against the surface of the granite and I was like, wow, you know, I've spent many, many years and hours checking parts, using gauges, working with granite surface plates in manufacturing. Okay? And granite surface plates, they have their own specifications. You have, you know, machine is great, toolroom grade, inspection grade, laboratory grade. Generally, you know, you're looking at one 10,000 of an inch precision for an inspection grade and surface plate. And generally, those tolerances are given as per foot.

So you can accumulate a, you know, a variation of. over a large surface played. It's more than that. And so I'm looking at this. The feel of it is just like I'm back home, right? In the shot, and sliding it on a granite surface. Right, right, right. And so I was like, wow, that's unexpected.

That was very unexpected. It blew me away. Wow. You don't normally find that, right? Right. I mean, you know, it's just like this is a totally out-of-place artifact. I didn't know the ancient Egyptians were holding tolerances like this, even over a six-inch area, right, very small area.

And so I thought, oh, man, well, Robert is an engineer. And I yelled, hey, Robert, come over here, you got to see this. and I said and the producer who was his name was Ruel Ostra he was with

Netherlands TV and he said oh we're filming shut up get it cool way boy actually I don't know

where they were they weren't they weren't they weren't me but they they heard me obviously

and so I was like okay so anyway that was that was interesting and I left there with a desire to revisit in the future. Right. And it was just brief.

Like, you know, I may have, may have been like five minutes looking at that and taking a quick check, you know, wiping off the granite. And saying, well, that's impressive. then I went back to Egypt in 1999 and I wanted to I wanted to go back into the Serapium right and there was a I was talking to a business guy at the hotel

where I was staying I said I need to get in the Serapium is the only way you could get me in there and he says oh I think I can do that I have some connections meet me here tomorrow night we'll make arrangements. Okay, so

following night, I'm there, you know, ready to go. No, it's impossible. It's dangerous. It's close to the public. Well, what's the problem? Oh, there's a lot of water and a danger of falling rocks

from the ceiling. Oh, really? Where's the water coming from, I wonder. Mm-hmm. But I'd impress that. So anyway, That year, I was unable to go. I had improved my data collection tools. So I didn't have a 12-inch, I mean a 6-inch parallel.

I had a 12-inch straight-edge. It was ground flat to within 1,000ths of an inch. Okay. Right. And I also had a toolmaker's square that was ground. That was precise to within, it was calibrated within 50 million. So about half of that, right? Wow.

Yeah, so fairly accurate, fairly accurate gauge. It'll do. Yeah, right, yeah. Got enough for horseshoes and darts, right? So then the opportunity came in 2000, what, to go back in 2001, and that's when, you know, I went with Gail Fallon, who was the field director for Grizzly Adams, up to Zai Hawass's office. And he gave us permission to go. He rolled as a note to give to the director. of the, of Sakara, we went and visited with him,

we had coffee, or tea rather, and then we walked down to the Serapium and he let us in. It was a very, very short visit because I didn't want to become too much of an interference with his day. Right, well, let's put it that way. He was there, he was in attendance, and he was observing. Okay. at the time.

Right. And so I got into the one box that had the side of been blasted open. You know, it's probably the only one that had a corner that was missing on it, and you could crawl in there. Could you put my feet up there? Yeah. It's amazing that he's just got like the keys to all these amazing, ancient places and he's the one who can let you in.

He's the only one with the key. It's so interesting. Right. Oh, wow. So, okay, is this one solid piece of granite? Yes, the box itself is crafted out of one solid piece of granite. And the lid weighs about, probably weighs about 25, 28 tons. Oh, it's huge. And so with that square, I pressed it up against the underside of the lid and up against the inside wall.

Were there any gaps? No. No, there was like no gaps. I mean, I'm not saying it was as precise as that instrument. It was just a visual observation. Right, right. But anybody who has done any kind of skilled or precision work who looks at that photograph will be astounded by what they're seeing. Because what you're looking at are two surfaces that are parallel to each other.

And a flat lid that spans the width of the box. Right. Right. So. What caused the corner to break off like that, I wonder? I think it was they dynamited it or something like that. But, you know, the things that are missing from the archaeological record is it's not just the means to do the cutting and hollowing out of the box, but also the means to inspect it and measure it.

to within that kind of level of precision. Even though it may not be perfect, and it may not be perfect throughout, I do put a qualifier in my book that the entire surface needs to be scanned and analyzed completely. Now, Ahmed Adley, who is an Egyptian engineer, went into the Serapien to check me out

and he measured the one box he was using a digital or a laser distance measure and that a digital square. I'm not a big fan of digital squares because of the electronics. They tend to drift and you have to be able to calibrate them.

And generally you would use a, you'd use a square like that to calibrate a digital square. Do you have any wild ideas to what the purpose of these boxes were? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's in my book. Let's hear it. It's wild, too wild. I love wild.

The wilder the better, Chris. Oh, I'm not finished here yet. Okay. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Okay. So I think overall my time spent in there was probably, you know, probably, 10, 50 minutes, something like that.

What was Zahi saying when he saw you squaring that up like that? Oh, he wasn't with me. Oh, I thought you said he went there with you. No, no. He stayed back at the Giza Plateau in his office. Is everything okay, Stephen? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah. So, anyway. And look at that too. Above your hand on the left photo, the reflection of your hand. Exactly. That's wild. Right. So this is an ancient artifact.

How would we recreate this? Did you talk to any of these big granite manufacturers and ask them their thoughts on this thing? Well, I contacted four granite, precision granite manufacturers. And these companies make granite surface plates. and other precise objects like V blocks, squares, angle plates, and things of that nature. Okay. Also, machine beds for a variety of machine tools, optical beds and stuff like that. You know, granite is very stable as long as you maintain the correct temperature.

and so the only company that responded to my request was a company called Truestone. Truestone. Yeah. And they said that they don't have, they didn't have the means to create one out of a solid piece. Meaning they would use five separate pieces and bolt them? Yeah, five separate pieces and bolt them together. and you said the material costs would be in white, I think as they said white granite would be like $175,000

and then there would be Department of Transportation costs would be extremely expensive. 50 grand? Right, but the, you know, just the just the fact that they, they would not make it out of a solid piece because if you go to start making these out of solid pieces then the time for material removal increases

and the difficulties, like even the corners you're looking at a very, very small radius. It's about 5.30 seconds of an inch radius in the corners. And so there's a lot of consideration when you're looking at a piece like that. But I started to, actually, I think it was at 2013, I was there. And I started to explore other parts of the interior. And I noticed that at the bottom, the precision seemed to fall off a little bit.

On the floor of this thing. Yeah, near the floor of it. So there was a, it was obvious that, you know, the box was not 100% throughout precise, within, I don't know, the tolerance of that gauge or close to it. Right. So even if you say, okay, given that the gauge is 50 million, let's say that the accuracy of the surface is 1, 2,000th of an inch, which, you know, if it was, you would definitely see light coming through. One two thousandths of an inch.

One or two thousandths of an inch. That's like a human hair. It's like a human hair, the thickness of a human hair, which is fairly close. It's still extremely precise. Yes. And not what you would expect from a primitive culture or an underdeveloped industry or culture. There's probably nothing in this room. That's that precise.

Oh, no. No, there isn't. Not even a lap, like a MacBook Pro or like a TV. Do you think that TV is one one millionth of an inch or what was it, one one thousandth of an inch square? I don't know. It could be. So tell me what this was for. I'm not telling you that yet.

Okay. Hold your horses. I'm antsy. So anyway, here's the thing. We talked earlier about the demands on a manufacturer when they are creating aircraft parks, for instance, right? There's no faking-off-hudgy measurements. You can't do it. You don't do it.

You don't do it. Or people die. Right. If you do it, people die. Yeah. Right? If you do it, you will get fired. Tremendous consequences.

Tremendous consequences. It costs a lot of money. A lot of money. So basically, what they're saying is that I went into the Serapium and I faked and fudged measurements, but because in other parts of the box, they didn't find the same precision, right? The two really don't compute. I'll tell you why. Okay.

You go into any manufacturing plant. I could show, I could take you to the manufacturing plant that I work. to it, and I could take you through the shop. And I could show you parts, and you wouldn't, you'd look at them and you wouldn't recognize what was precise and what was not. Right? But I could say, okay, I'll point to a part, a feature on the part, and I say, this is very precise.

Right. This area is not. But it's to the customer requirements. Right? Right? Of course. It's kind of like, if you look at a, for instance, you look at a camshaft in an engine, right?

You have the throws and you have the webs and the counterweights. The counterweights are forged. Right. Most times they don't machine the forging forging for the throwers, for the counterweights, but they will machine the throws where the pistons are mounted to. Right. Those have to be precise. Right.

So that's an example of parts that have non-precise areas and very precise areas. Yes, yes. Also, even on a finish part, you may have different requirements for different areas of the part. You may have dimensions that have to be within two 10,000ths of an inch. You may have dimensions that have to be within 10,000s of an inch. All right? does the fact that a 10,000 of an inch variation from true form defines the whole part with respect of precision? Right.

And do you ignore the two 10,000ths of an inch precision that has been machined into it and say that the part is no good? Right. Yeah, or like in an airplane, for example. All the little tiny parts inside of the turbine are probably. extremely precise, but the joystick inside the cockpit probably is nowhere near. Oh, well, that's, yeah, that's comparing apples with, I don't know. But it's all one thing, right? Right, yeah.

It's a part of the airplane. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, that was a bad analogy. I tried. Yeah, but I'm talking about the same part. Okay. We're looking at the same. You're talking about one piece.

Got it. We're talking about the same part, all the features are integral, and they're contingent with the same material. Okay, I see, I see, yeah. Okay, so here we go. We haven't talked about what the purpose of these boxes is yet. You know what the purpose is, or what my speculated purpose is. It's in my book.

Yeah, but this is a podcast. We need it from the horse's mouth. Can you tell the audience what your speculated purpose is, or you're going to keep that a secret or make them buy the book? If you want to make them buy the book, that's fair. No, they don't have to buy the book. book. I mean, they can go to the library.

Eventually, it'll end up in a lot of it. Okay. Oh, they can download a pirated coffee from Google. Yeah. Like most people. So you really don't want to say it? It's not my theory, so I think...

Whose theory is it? Eric Wilson. Eric Wilson. Yeah. Is he the aerospace engineer? Yeah. Yeah. He came up with a brilliant idea. We were down in the tunnels, 2018 or 19.

18, no, 19. And he came up with the idea that they were used for growing crystals. The aerospace engineer thinks that the boxes were used to grow crystals. Right. How? Good question. So, you know, when you hear something like that, like that and it doesn't quite settle right away. I can tell it's not settling with you. Not at all.

Not at all. You're like, but I'm, I guarantee you I'm a lot dumber than him, so. Yeah, that's pretty safe guarantee. No offense. Thanks. So yeah, and I thought that was an interesting idea. And I kind of expanded on that in my book. But the other, other interesting thing is related to manufacturing, right? So you go through the tunnels, and you'll find boxes in different stages of manufacture. Some are roughed in, like they may have been created like that in a quarry before they were shipped, or they could have been loaded, and worked on as they were in transit or something like that. We don't know, but there's one box that stuck down one of the tunnels that has a rough interior,

but it's fairly regular in terms of its orthogonality squareness. I mean, even though the surfaces are definitely rough, you can see that, you know, know, it's probably, it may have maybe a half inch of material to remove to the final finish and dimensions. We don't know. It's just speculating. This is evidence that those things would have been finished inside. Yes.

And I make that observation in the Giza power plant, too. Right. is that one of the things about granite is that it's affected by heat. How so? Oh, it'll move and change. It's very sensitive to heat. When they finish a granite surface plate, oh, actually, before they do,

the manufacturer will rough machine a piece of granite. And then they'll store it outside. And they may finish it to within, well, maybe five, 10,000 or a couple of thousands. I don't know. But it'll sit outside and it may be out there for several seasons. And, you know, it goes through hot season, cold season, hot season. So with every changing temperature, the granite changes. and before they

when they get an order for that size piece of granite they'll bring it inside and let it normalize back to temperature and it assumes the same precision that it was machined to before it was put outside in the yard and then they... Really? Yeah. So it has a kind of a memory

so they bring it in and then they'll finish it, finish machine, lap it, and basically make sure, you know, to whatever grade

they're maintaining on it. So it's, granite is very sensitive to heat. It's also sensitive to light, or at least we think it's sensitive to light. John Barter,

who was a precision granite manufacturing resurfacer and a calibrator, He has a company in Ohio. And I met him when I was working in Indianapolis, and we had a conversation about precision granite surface place. And he was telling me about one shop that he went into.

And the piece of granite, the granite surface plate of the head, had developed a crown in the middle of it. Come to find out, the reason why he had had that slight crown in the center it's because they had a single light bulb over the top of it. Right? Now, there's no information on how much, you know, how many watts that light bulb was or, you know, how much heat. There's no real scientific analysis of why that was. Okay.

That was the conclusion that it was because of that light bulb. The light. Mm-hmm. Do we know how close that light ball was to the granite surface? Nope. No. Don't know. Okay.

But I just found that to be an interesting observation and point to make. Yeah. And even with regular tool steel, when you are creating precision artifacts to within 10ths, right? 10,000 of any, 2 10,000s of an equal. You generally, temperature is your worst enemy

depending on the geometry of the piece that you are cutting. So if you are working on a very large ring and you're grinding an inside diameter or outside diameter and you're working in a shop with the temperatures like 90 degrees or over 90 degrees. And then it goes into an inspection department where they're maintaining 68 degrees Fahrenheit temperature.

It will shrink, right? Right. And generally, you know, a lot of times they will, when you're grinding a block on a surface grinder. and you're measuring that block and comparing the dimension with a known gauge like a Joe block they call them Joe blocks there gauge blocks but these are these are a collection of of pieces of gauges that are like square pieces of metal of a specific thickness They're hardened steel and very precisely ground to a standard of measure that is traceable back to the National Bureau of Standards. One of the techniques, tricks that you use, when you're grinding something that you want to gauge it against one of those jaw blocks,

is you put the jaw block on the magnetic chuck on the surface plate as you are grinding the object that you want to measure against it. So what you're doing then is you are actually putting that jaw block in the same conditions of temperature as the object that you're grinding. So they are the same temperature. Right. So if there's any changes in the Joe block in terms of size, whether it's, you know, micron differences, when they are sent to the inspection department, then in like a 68 degree temperature, both the joe block and the piece of steel that you just ground will reduce back to the correct size.

So they can still be compared the same. That makes sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Right. Yeah. And generally, in a grinder, you would run a coolantan. So you're actually flooding the joel block at the same time. You're flooding the piece that you're grinding.

Right. Right. So yeah, finishing the boxes on underground rather than outside would be necessary if your intention is to create extreme precision and hope that that precision will remain and be put to use. right? So here's the other thing. I was thinking previously that the boxes

were finished underground but they weren't installed in the Crips. Now it seems that they installed them into Crips before they finished them because you find

unfinished boxes inside Crips and semi-finish right? You got three stages of manufacturing you got the rough finish or forge finish or you know cast finish

quarried finish then rough machining where the where material is removed to bring it closer to the final dimensions and then final finishes where the final accuracy is cut into it where it becomes reflective yeah so go ahead so that's one thing that having, finishing those boxes to that precision and then making sure that they stay precise is an objective. They seem to be accommodating by doing them in situ. Right. So going back to the crystals, how would they have grown crystals inside of those boxes, as he, does he speculate? And for what purpose?

I mean, he didn't elaborate on that, but I did in my book. But it was, it's where you kind of have to stretch your imagination a little bit. Okay. I'm always open to stretch my imagination. Right. Do you ever read Engines of Creation? No. Oh, it's a great book.

I'll write it down and make a note. No, no, seriously, it is very futuristic. I love that. We are not there yet. Definitely not there. It's a wild out there futuristic sci-fi thing. theory. It is super, super sci-fi, super wild. And, you know, you think about going out on a limb and having it chopped behind you while you're out there. This is one of those times when I'm feeling

like I'm way out on a limb. So you think by talking about this out there theory that people will be able to use that to discredit you for me for your other work oh like i'm not already discredited right exactly i mean yeah right yeah i mean they'll yeah i my enemies will love it they will oh my god it'll be like feeding them red meat so were these crystals used for the solid state electron Harvester Pyramid? Well, it's hard to say. I would say that there are more futuristic and advanced applications for the process if you can develop it.

And that is the crystal growth of rocket engines, jet engines, advanced materials using nanotechnology. The crystal growth of rocket engines, jet engines, and nanotechnology. Using nanotechnology. Using nanotechnology. Drexler talks about what he calls them universal assemblers. These are nanomachines, right? That assemble products one atom at a time. And so basically they are used to,

he said that using this technology in the future you could grow a rocket engine that would have like 10% of the mass of a current rocket engine. You could grow it. Grow it, yeah. Okay.

I have no fundamental baseline idea of where this is even coming from. We're not even talking like quantum computers or anything here. We're on a whole other limb. A whole other branch. Yeah. Yeah.

So when you look at it, at the, when you look at the boxes in the Serapium and you're looking on the inside of the boxes, you have the upper part of the box which is fairly flat. Right. The side of the lid is fairly flat. You got, you know, specific dimensions. They may vary a little bit. But essentially, you could look at that assembly. One of the boxes, you could look at that assembly, one of the boxes, with a lid on top as a Cartesian coordinate system. A Cartesian coordinate system. Yeah.

What is that? Well, that's where you have a precise location to reference when you are in three-dimensional space. You got your X, Y, and you Z. Right. Right. And so if you have, if you know where you need to be in that three-dimensional space, and you can reference a precise surface in that three-dimensional space, or three surfaces, then you can, you can figure out where you are in three-dimensional space. Three surfaces.

Yeah, X, Y, Z. So, but you've got, you've got, that means you would need six surfaces, though, right? You got five surfaces to work from, yeah. Wouldn't you need top, bottom, left, right, front, back? Don't need the bottom. Why don't you need the bottom? Top, top defines the Z. It's science fictiony, you know.

Yeah. You could, you could take the book as being a, you know, a futuristic science fiction look at the future. because one of the things that I do discuss in the book is the, you know, the validation of the UAPs. And the, you know, these craft that perform amazing miracles of flight, you know. Yeah, what's more science fictiony than that? Yeah, what's more science? But that is real. That's happening in our space, right?

But 10 years ago, you'd be laughed out of a room for talking about that. You would. On a TV show. Definitely. I wouldn't talk about it. I never talked about UFOs, ever. But when you see that kind of performance in our airspace, not just in America, but other countries around the world,

it's like, okay, something, it is possible that civilization will develop to the point where we could match that performance. performance, right? And have craft that perform in a similar manner. But we've got a lot of discovering to make, right? We need to be able to control gravity. We need to have an alternate system for propulsion. You don't see afterburners kicking in on those jets when they're on those tick-tocks when they shoot off at impossible speeds. and turn on a dime, right? But the interesting thing about that is, too, if you, the recent evidence that has come out points to the fact that dark programs within the U.S. government have been working on this

since the 30s. So, if you take the fact that they've been keeping it secret, if they have been, since the 30s, not keeping it in public light, keeping it dark, if they were to look into something like the pyramids and the possibility of the great pyramid being a solid-state electron harvester, wouldn't they keep that dark, too? I doubt they would keep that in the public. They would not keep that research open source.

I mean, all those are unknown, and, you know, I hear lots of speculation and conspiracy theories, and I just have to ignore them, really, because there's no answer to it right now. It's just like the UFOs, you know. I mean, they were largely discounted and ignored. So then the government suddenly woke up to the fact that, hey, these things exist, and then they have hearings on Capitol Hill about them. And, you know, it's like, wow, times are changing.

You know, it's like there's a huge shift. Right. Right. But the thing, like, to be able to get to where you've got, to get as far as you've got with your theory on the Giza power plant, harvesting electrons from the igneous rock underneath the earth and being a massive free energy generator, you have to, you can't start at that.

that you have to start in a science fiction world first and then you have you start with a big granite block and you have to chisel away your statue to figure out and test it against different things to figure out the real life possibilities of it or the real life the the real practical implications of what that would be and the way that we would put that to use on earth right you can't just start with the answer. So when you say that, yeah, right, like the same thing with the UFOs. You're absolutely right. I mean, everything needs to, I mean, all the subsystems need to be built and checked out and perfected.

I mean, there is definitely a strong indication and evidence on the Giza Plateau that when they designed and built the King's Chamber, they tested it out before it was installed in the Great Pyramid. So the technology that they installed was tested outside of the Great Pyramid. They have what they call these trial passages on the east of the Great Pyramid. And basically what they have is like the beginning of a grand gallery, right? there's a descending passage and then a vertical shaft that goes to the bottom of a

grand gallery that goes up and then it's like it comes out the open and so when you look at those trial passages the same dimensions that you find inside the Great Pyramid. They were measured by William Flanders Petrie and they're in his book

Pyramism and temples of Giza. So, you know, when you consider any kind of development on technology, you prove out each system and subsystem before you put them together. So there are some things that are fairly well known and simple, such as the creation of hydrogen. But the function of the Great Pyramid and the balance and tuning of all that granite to work harmoniously and in resonance with input vibrations. That's something that you would want to test out and tweak.

Right. Let's talk about the Petrie Corps. You want to do that? Yeah. Now, you were the first... You're saving the worst to last. You were one of the first people to get your hands on this Petrie Corps and measure out the grooves around the edge of it

and run a string along it and determine that it was actually spiral groove, not just horizontal grooves. No, actually, William Flinders Petrie was the first. Right. Right. Duh. I thought it was called Chris Dunn's core number seven. Yeah, no, it's not.

Petri Core number seven. Yeah, I really caused a stir with that, didn't I? Mm-hmm. So I was writing the Giza Power Plant, and like I said earlier, a friend of mine and recommended that I submit an article to Analog Magazine, which I did, and it was published in 84. So that was called Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt. And in that article, I referenced the Petrie Corps and relayed what Petrie wrote about it, that it was a tapered core, came out of a hole, presumably, that exists in the VIII.

Valley Temple, and that it had a spiral groove, that the grooves were 100,000 distance apart, and that he wounded, he checked like four turns of it, and claimed that it was a true spiral. And he also said that the groove was cut deeper in the quartz as it was the felspoon. Okay. So when I was trying to figure out, you know, using my machinist toolmaking background, what kind of technology could create those kind of features. Right. I proposed that perhaps they had used ultrasonic machining because ultrasonic machining is not,

You wouldn't, it's not like a conventional type machining where, you know, conventional drilling of granite, as I learned from an ultrasonic, or a conventional granite manufacturer, Rahn granite in Ohio. conventional drilling holes, the penetration rate was like 2.10,000ths of an inch per revolution of the drill. 2.10,000s of an inch per, okay. Per revolution. If you look at 100,000s per revolution, that's like 500 times greater than the conventional drilling. Okay. It's an impossible feed rate in granite. And you can figure out the rate by the distance between the grooves?

Yes. Okay. Right. And that's where the controversy began is that I proposed a method that was totally unacceptable, ultrasonic drilling, which is where you use vibration to impact the granite and remove material. and then advanced the tool into the granite using a screw and nut method. As you can see there with the capstan at the top and you just put pressure on it moving it into the granite.

You use a slurry which will actually do the cutting. And then there is a taper on the bore and the outside of the tube drill and that taper the tube drill will wear as it is penetrating the granite and that is reflected on the core and the hole as a taper

right so that's that was just my idea just a simple idea it received limited attention and after the article was published a couple of protests, one by

Elsprague de Camp who objected to it. He wrote a book called the ancient engineers and so he claimed that, you know, the working of stone by the Egyptians is well known, went through the

whole list of, you know, copper tubes and bashing stones and stuff like that. So I responded to his email and then that was pretty much it

and then in 1995 I was invited to participate in a message board discussion on Deja News and there was a guy called Rodney Small who had read my article in 84 and evidently

had become a point of discussion on the Deja News Alt Archaeology a message board. So I joined in. And that was my first taste of message board discussions. Wow. Yeah. And so after, I don't know,

maybe a thousand, thousand or so posts, it kind of peded out. I don't think anybody changed their position. This was what year, roughly? 1995, I think. Ooh. Yeah.

You've got mail. You've got mail, right. Yeah, the old key. Yeah. I was before that probably. No, it was actually 95 when I first got online. Oh, was it really? Yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, so I was on AOL. I'm still on AOL. Are you really? I know. People look at me strange like that when I say that. Yeah, I'm still on.

Good for you. Still have the same. Still holding strong. I don't know about strong. Holding. Holding. Okay. All right.

So then after that, there was a book published. It was by Chris Oliver Herald and a guy called Larsson. I forgot his first name. I'll think of it. So anyway, they wrote a book called Geese of the Truth. And in that book, they report on an examination of the core by two people. Reed and Brownlee who go to the Peacher Museum where the core is located

and they determine that it's not a spiral that it's a horizontal group. Okay. Okay. So I looked at that, I read that, and I was like, okay, interesting. But it looks like the core is slightly tilted and that would kind of throw you off.

when you're trying to visualize the core, the spirals. And it's, yeah. So I was still on Petri's side, but I was willing to be proven wrong, right? But not just without photograph. So knowing where the core was, I arranged to go to the Petrie Museum and inspect it myself.

And so I went to the Pitcher Museum and I wrapped a thread around the core. Oh, I righted the, I righted the core. You can see it tilted on the left in the same way that the book shows it. And then on the right, I squared it up to the frame. Right. And then in my book, I included this where it's a same thing, yeah. this which is a common pipe thread. It shows you how just a slight tilt on a pipe thread you can turn a spiral into a horizontal very easily. It doesn't take much movement, right?

Simple. Very simple. All right. So there I am at the Petra Museum. And there I am with my thread. And I found, well, it's a spiral. Okay, so... You followed it the whole way. Yeah. followed it the hallway. So I reported on that. And on my website and in message boards, I reported on it. And then I had, you know, kind of, no, we don't believe you. You guys could be playing tricks with you.

And, you know, probably confirmation bias comes into play where you're, you know, you are controlling, more in control of where the, the, uh, yes. When the thread goes, then the, the group. And I'm like, well, no, that's not the case, but okay. That's the way you feel. So there was another time that came up and this was in 2003, I think, yeah, 2003 and it was

with, uh, a man had contacted me, his name was Malcolm McCormack. law. He's a geologist and he was retired from British Petroleum. And so he, he contacted me and said, you know, there's a lot of, been a lot of mysteries discussed. And, you know, there's still two that I haven't quite got figured out. And one of them is crop circles and the other one is the Petrie Corps number seven. I was like, yes, I haven't figured the crop circles out either. So, I'm sorry, you're on the pyramids. You got your hands full. Right.

And so he said, and I said, well, we could take a trip to the Pitchie Museum, if you like. And, you know, I would join you because I'm getting a lot of pushback on my observations. It would be good to have somebody along to do a check themselves. and he said, sure, that would be great. So he made arrangements with the museum because what I wanted to do at the same time, I wanted to have a latex impression made of the outside of the core.

Right. Right. And you guys did this. You guys both wrapped the core with the string. You guys both found that it was a spiral groove. Right. Took video, took pictures. Right.

So he said, well, you know, it would be good if maybe we could just like take photographs from different angles different angles around the core and then just stitch everything together and see what we get too primitive and I said well okay so this is what he sent me after he had he had stitched his photographs together yeah that doesn't work and it's like okay yeah I don't think that that's not a a valid inspection method for a mechanical. I mean, I would think that it is, would be normal for a geologist to display a core

out of the earth in this manner so that they could study, study it and compare the entire circumference. Yeah, but right here you see like this is copied again right here. But I guess you have to do that to line up the grooves. Yeah, yeah. You have to copy it. So it gets confusing.

It gets very confusing. So if you recall, we talked about the use of cones inside jet engines. Yeah. One of the techniques that is used for creating cones, say you are creating a, you know, a state or something like that. In the old days, or maybe even today. Yeah. They would create a flat blank and apply geometry to it. A manufacturer engineer would get a drawing, and it would show the cone in assembly and as a detail.

And it would have a series of holes that were cut on the outside. They may also, those holes may be airfoil shaped or they may be round. and then the engineer would actually unwrap that cone to make a flat blank. And so by making the flat blank, in the process of unwrapping it, the geometry of the holes that penetrated change dimension. Because as you're looking at it in 2D, right, you're looking at a geometric feature on a cone in 2D. It's wrapping around in three-dimensional space, right? X, Y, Z.

Yes. So when you unwrap it, so it's flat, then it changes shape, changes diameter. Yep. Right? So that is a common thing that was done. Okay. So if you look at a frostrum of a cone, you know, you know, You've got a 2D drawing of a frost- I mean you see horizontal lines straight across, right?

That's just a regular 2D drawing. Now when you wrap a cone and you look at the frustrum as a 3D surface and your focus is on one of those lines that it will appear horizontal. but the lines above and below will begin to curve as the angle of the camp, you know, the director of the camp. So you'll have a radius at the top and a radius at the bottom. Right. Those things happen to. Okay, so there you go. After the, after we inspected it, we went to see the director of the museum.

That's your mold right there? A very nice fellow, Dr. Stephen Quirk. and I asked him if it would be possible to have a latex impression made. And so, yeah, I paid him the required amount to have it done, and he had it done and sent it to me. So there it is. The latex had split at the ends, so what I did is I actually created two reference holes.

There were those squares that were cut in it, and then I cut the line between them. Okay. Right. So the objective was to lay it out flat and then inspect the lines to see if they were horizontal or spiral. Okay. So the horizontal groove would start at one place and end at the other place, right? and start at the same place. Yes, exactly.

Right? So. I see. It's not ending it. It's ending lower. Yeah, I mean, it's flat, but it's ending where it started. So it's a spiral. If it's spiral, then it's not going to end at the same location that it starts.

Right. Right. Make sense? So then I laid out the flat blank, a square, it up and I started to see the general kind of sweep of the arc. Yep. I mean, you can stare at that for an hour. The right side of the line is higher than the left side of the line.

Exactly. Right. So it is a spiral. So it is a spiral. That means this thing was cored out of a piece of granite using one of these, what are the machines called again? It was a machine. Yeah, it was some kind of technology.

You know, really, I don't think it was ultrasonic. I backed off on that. You backed off on, you don't think it was ultrasonic. Right, because of some of the other features on the cone. But it was a machine. Well, it would have, yeah, I mean, they were, they were an employee in a technology. They certainly wasn't done with a copper tube and caught sand.

Right, absolutely not. Because you won't get those penetration range. Right. Now, what about the edges of the grooves? You said, you mentioned that they were very smooth. Was that because they're not very sharp grooves. Now, is that just weathering in like thousands of years of degradation? You know, the thing is, is that it's really, really unusual.

The features on it are bizarre, really. And, yeah, and it's forgivable to be a little confused by what you're looking at. So when you look at a 10-power close-up of the grooves on the latex, you can see where there's all kinds of variations and stuff going on. There are runs between the grooves that are almost vertical in places. Some are at 45 degrees, you know. I mean, it's kind of like... Yeah, it's all over the place.

area right here, this one right here, this one right here, that one here. Yeah. And so, you know, it's kind of like, yeah, it's a mess. It's a mess. And making sense of it is very difficult, right? It's chaos. It's chaos. So how do you sort it out? Right. I mean, you know. And then, of course, the work that is cited for the true method that was supposedly used to create these is Dennis Starks, who did some

experiments. And he wrote a report in his book and also some articles that he'd written that the horizontal striations were similar to the ancient ones on Rose Granite. But he does not

anywhere in his book or articles he does not talk about Petricore No, nor does he display an image of Petricore number seven. Right. Right? He ignores it completely, but he says they're horizontal. And that's what people are relying on, is Dennis Stuck's testimony. Okay.

Right? Because it fits their narrative. The other thing was, I emailed Dennis. And I asked him if he had a clearer picture of his core that I could have because the one in his book is not very clear. I was wondering if he could send me a clearer picture. And he basically said, no, he's not going to send me. Oh, wow. And, you know, just make your own.

So I did. That was rude. No, I wouldn't say. Yeah, I was just, yeah. I don't think he likes me. I don't blame him. So going back to the smoothness of it, do you think there's any evidence that this stone was heated up and made soft and softened softer? You see, that I think as a preliminary matter is the first thing that you think about when you look at a polished surface.

How did it become polished? Was it through polishing? Was it through? It certainly was a knot through grinding with sand and copper. Right. Because that's the core that I made

and to the right of it is the core that Dennis Stocks made and those surfaces are not polished. Right. So then the question becomes how did the Petri Corps receive its polish? Right.

And considering that you do have those weird runs from, you know, one of the grooves to the next. It seems like it's a really, I don't know, not precise, I would say, but really quick and dirty way to sink a hole in the granite. And it may have involved a means of softening the stone, maybe even melt in it. Totally. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw this. When Ben showed me these vases for the first time, I thought that they had been melted and thrown on a wheel.

Oh. Because that's what it looks like, right? It looks perfectly symmetrical. It is perfectly symmetrical. Well, I mean, it was on a wheel, but for sure. And maybe not melted, though. I don't know. Are we talking about this now?

Are you got ADD or something? We're still on the core. So we're talking about, okay, they could have been heated up or possibly melted at that spot. Right, yeah. Okay. And there's the hole, upper right, that's the hole in the Valley Temple

that they speculate it came from. There's no way to know for sure whether that's the one. But that's the hole that I made and the core that came out of it on the bottom. Right? Wow. Okay. So then there was an article published by a Russian research group.

And they had done kind of like a debunking article on my work and Petrie's work. and they had essentially photographed the core at various places around it and then stitched it together and came up with a surface and grooves that looked like that.

Okay. So this was performed by a professional geologist and mineralogist, P. Cellevanov The article is you can actually Google 7th of Petrie rather than copy in that earl into your search bar. Yeah. But you'll be able to read the whole thing. Okay.

So there's the thing. It's like, okay, I totally get why a geologist would want to examine. a piece like that. This was featured on a video by a YouTube channel called Scientists Against Myth. Okay. Right? And so anyway, the interesting thing is now, up to now, we had my first examination, which is spiral. and then Malcolm McClure, who checked it with a thread and found it was a spiral. And then Eric Wilson visited the museum. He's the crystal guy. He's the aerospace engineer.

Does he work for a big aerospace company? Yes, a very big one. Oh, really? Yes. Which one? Can you say or no? Would that ruin his job? What do you get fired?

Eric, you're talking about crystals. You're fired. Sorry. Well, let's say the headquarters are in England. And he was visiting, so he went to the Pitchie Museum while he was there. Oh, okay. Wow. We have a video of it.

Oh, you've got the video right here. Oh, let's transfer to Stephen's computer so we can play this video. I had the opportunity to go to. to London and I had some time and I wanted to go to the British Museum there and the Petrie Museum and I learned from you actually that you can't get into the Petrie Museum to see the good stuff, the Petrie Corps and specific artifacts unless you fill out a request form. But you also have to be credential too, right? You have to have a reason.

You can't just walk in off the street and request pieces from the archive. Right. You have to have credentials. Yeah, you have to be, you can be a historian or you can be an engineer. Knowing the controversy that was surrounded the Petric Corps. It's like an interrogation video. You designed an experiment when you got there to determine whether the Petrie Corps was a horizontal groove or if they were spiraled. First, it requires more than you're just more than just your eye.

You need to have some optics. Some high-powered readers seem to work. the best. I actually had a jewelers set with lights, you know, that you could really get down into the, you can see the material structure. And then we took a thread and rotated and wrapped around the groove and it was definitely a spiral. It wasn't just me. It was my colleague. I'll mention his name Josh Geer also aerospace engineer

we both witnessed and wrapped that groove so you think and you consider that to be a legitimate way methodology for determining whether it's a spiral yeah I mean every

we rotated what's my picture got it's probably got 20 wraps yeah I mean there's 20 observations every time you come around Okay, so Eric basically confirms that it is a spiral. After a dozen wraps, they were not crossing.

So. So. Eric Wilson's putting me to sleep. But yeah, no, I mean, it's... He's an engineer. Yeah, he's an engineer. Got about have respect. Well, it's clear.

I mean, I don't think... I couldn't imagine anyone could come up with any sort of real argument against. this, you know, all the stuff that you guys have done to prove it, that you guys, no one's disproving it, right? Well, you've got two aerospace engineers. You've got a manufacturing engineer and you've got a geologist. Yeah, well, let's show the vase that, so your son was a big part of making this vase, right? He, the vase is, belongs to a gentleman from New York.

his name is Adam Young. And he and Alex met in Egypt and became good friends. Adam was talking about the collection that he had, and he had several of these what he called pre-dynastic bases. Right. All right, Alex. They set up a time to meet in Indian. Indianapolis at a company that Alex was working at that time.

They were a defense contractor. And he brought his vases and did some mechanical inspection on them on the surface plate with a rotary table and indicators to check run out roundness and flatness and stuff like that. So I was in attendance at the time and, you know, It was like, yeah, this is interesting. It kind of looks like an Egyptian base. But because it was bought on the antiquities market, there was always in the back of my mind there was a question of provenance

that might be an issue with it. But anyway, Alex was passionate about it. He suggested that they have it scanned, you know, structured white light scanning. which they did at a company called Capture 3D. And for people that don't want that, are curious about seeing those images, we did that with Ben. He showed all the slides and all the measurements and everything.

You're all up to date then. Yeah. Yeah. So essentially, that was the path that that took. And then they went on Ben's program and the STL was made available to a lot of really interested engineers around the world and different people. And then there was this one guy in Spain.

He's from Denmark, I think, named Mark Vist. He did a mathematical analysis and then wrote a paper about it, which was unbelievable. So there are many interesting features about that base. And I'm sure Ben covered in great detail. These had to have been made on a computer. Well, that was the conclusion. I've always been a little more reserved than that, but I'm not looking at it. You reserved?

The guy who says the pyramid, was it a solid-state electron harvester? That's a pretty conservative estimate. Could be even more. What's more conservative? That or the fact that this was made on the computer? That is the question. I guess I win. I mean, it's all, it all just doesn't fit with the current narrative.

Right. And... Well, hopefully stuff like this will blow that out of the water. Well, you know, the thing with this is, is that, okay, admitted, Providence is a huge issue with this. And it left Egypt and it sat in a collection, some, you know, oligarch. somewhere may have had it in a collection and, you know, he died and his heirs sold it to an antiquities deal. And then, you know, Adam bought it. So, provenance is an issue.

The thing about it, though, is that there is one particular feature that I found I connected with it. It is like an ellipsoid, the body of it. It matches an ellipsoid, right? Right. And if you read my book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I look at the statuary in Egypt and the use of ellipsoids on many of them, particularly the crowns. And so that was a huge thing for me.

But the precision is, it is kind of beyond belief, considering it's like, you know, cutting. granite. And I'm reading comments on Ben's channel and the, you know, machine, I'm a 25-year machinist, we can do that today and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, well, we need to find somebody who is able, who thinks they can do it and have them give us a quote. So I think that is still an option that we're examining. But ultimately, the real objective is to say, okay, Egyptian engineers. There are some of these in your museums in Cairo.

So we encourage you to take the same steps we did and do a metrology examination of them. Yep. On artifacts that have known provenance. And then all the naysayers and debunkers can go to bed. Yep. Well, Chris, thank you. I really appreciate you coming

through and spending six and a half hours here with me and talking about all the stuff and your decades of research. It's truly an honor. Where can people find your books? Are they on Amazon? Yeah, Amazon. On the website. All the online bookstores and brick and mortar bookstores. And what's your website called? Giza power. Giza power.com. Perfect. Yeah. Under construction. All right. That's it, folks. Thanks again, Chris. You're welcome, sir. Good night, everybody. Good night.