Danny Jones Podcast - #218 - Mexican Cartels Just Hijacked Military Spy Technology | Luis Chaparro

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Watch the next episode early: ⁠https://patreon.com/dannyjones⁠ Luis Chaparro is an investigative journalist moving between the border of Texas and Mexico covering narcos & drug cartels. EPISODE LINKS https://lchaparro.com https://youtube.com/@luischaparro https://instagram.com/luiskuryaki SPONSORS https://ketobrainz.com/pages/djp - Use code "DANNY20" at checkout. https://ver.so/danny - Use code DANNY to save 15% on your order. FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/jonesdanny https://twitter.com/jonesdanny 00:00 - Luis on Felix Rodriguez 09:46 - What is the Cartel dynamic in Mexico now? 12:36 - Cartel propaganda in US media 16:49 - Catrel corporate structure 25:43 - Ancient Mayan artifacts 26:55 - Cartel exploitation of fishing trade 33:01 - Cartel guacomole war during Superbowl 37:02 - Farmers fighting cartels 39:06 - Damaso Lopez Serrano (El Mini Lic) 48:20 - Luis' crazy DM list 53:31 - How El Mini Lic contacted Luis 01:04:52 - El Mini Lic wealth 01:08:59 - Luis' 12 hr interview w/ El Mini Lic 01:17:01 - How El Mini Lic became a cartel leader 01:19:51 - El Mini Lic relationship w/ El Chapo 01:28:19 - Vice News bankrupcy 01:33:09 - Publishing the Cartel stories independently 01:40:26 - Los Chapitos requests to buy information from Luis 01:47:59 - Extradition of Ovideo Guzman 01:58:19 - Why does the USA want to extradite prisoners out of Mexico? 02:02:11 - Cartel connection to CIA 02:05:24 - El Plaga (the plague) 02:10:20 - Luis' video interview with El Plaga 02:12:10 - How El Plaga escaped prison 02:19:36 - How cartels recruit young kids as hit men 02:23:32 - Luis' goal is to illustrate the killers, not their idolized lifestyle 02:26:30 - TITAN spy software that Mexian Cartels are using 02:31:12 - Mexican Cartels can live track your cellphone 02:36:09 - Mexican Government selling technology to Cartels 02:43:00 - Cartels making more money smuggling people than cocaine 02:49:19 - Immigrants vs White people working and GDP 02:55:14 - Cartel development over the next 5 years? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Luis, welcome back, bro. Hey, man. How are you doing? Great to be here. Good, man. I'm excited to have you back to talk about some of the things going on. Oh, yeah. All around Mexico and South America, and it seems like no one's paying attention to it right now, but you have had, you've been balls deep in cartel world.

Yeah, dude. I mean, I don't know if locally or what, but it's just the way things goes, you know. I'm supposed to be reporting the whole region like Latin America, but Mexico is keeping me so busy right now. It's so wild what is happening in Mexico and what is about to happen. Yeah. And like I was showing you last night, we got the tridents from my boy, Mani, whose godfather is Felix Rodriguez. We're going to be going to talk to soon, hopefully.

Dude, that will be massive, dude. I mean, I've been after Felix Rodriguez for a while. I published this story about the involvement of the CIA in the murder of Kiki Kamarena back in 97. The first time I published that story was in 2013, in a Mexico. magazine called Proceso before several years before the documentary that it's now showing on Amazon and and I try to get a hold of Felix but he's a shadowy man I mean it's it's hard to get a hold of him right you see him you've seen him like once every now like on on on interviews regarding the killing of Che Guevara and his operations in Cuba and

Bolivia and South America but he's never really talked about Mexico right and why he did in Mexico back in the 80s. It would be massive. Right. If we can get hold of them like, you know. Yeah, one of the first documentaries, as you pointed out to me before we, you first came on the show was that documentary called, I think it was the last NARC. Yeah.

Was it? With, I forget who the other guy was, but he basically, they found out somehow that there was a Cuban guy in the room when they were torturing Kiki and the Cuban guy was most likely Felix. Yeah. I mean, that's what sources say. the time, right? And there is like available transcripts of that recording where they're torturing Kiki Kamarina. But I don't know, for some reason, the file, I mean, the audio files have never

been out. They, I mean, several officials also say that they don't exist, that those tapes are fake. They don't really exist. And there's a fucking rumor. But there are transcripts of the whole call. The thing is that transcripts, they don't identify anyone, right, on the room. They kind of like identify caro quintero allegedly but then again caro quintero he's an old man he's always denied that he actually did something to hurt kiki kamarina everybody is denying their involvement in the whole kiki camerna case right right and felix so felix was brought into the CIA i think like leading up to the bay of pigs right when they were training a bunch of the cubans or the cuban americans to like basically go over there and invade and fight yeah exactly

He was a massive operator, right? He was a, he's a Cuban that used to know his country so well, but he was actually working for the U.S. government with the CIA as an asset because he knew the region, he knew the language, and he was extremely, I mean, skilled for what he had to do. I mean, he found El Che Guevara, right, in Bolivia. So he was like, he was like skilled, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I love you. I'm back to the show. He was training the people in Mexico, the guerrillas, right, to go fight over in Nicaragua. Yeah. So what was happening there is that the U.S. government through the CIA had this arrangement with Mexican criminal organizations. They weren't still called cartels back then, back in the 80s. The deal was you train our people in the use of arms and, you know, fire weapon, all that stuff. So they go and fight in Central America against the communism. And we'll let you a free pass for planes, airplanes, packed with cocaine into the U.S. Right? That was the deal. The first time I reported this story, I met Tosh Plumley, a great pilot out of New Mexico. And he showed me a lot of like his paperwork for all the stuff he did with the CIA.

He was in charge of bringing these loads of cocaine on private small planes. Sometimes there were like small Cessnas across the border from a ranch in Veracruz and several other places in Mexico back to the U.S. And at the same time, Karo Quintero, Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, and Ernesto Fonseca, those guys were the head of what was called the Guadalajara Federation, right? Right. And they were training people. they were training all these Mexican henchmen to go and fight in Central America. I don't think they actually knew what was really happening in the broader scope, you know, that like they were fighting the contras.

I think they knew that they needed to train armed people to go and fight in Central America. But probably they didn't understand who was behind the whole thing. Because that was one of the main things that Felix was known for, right, for keeping a low profile on the CIA's, you know, like no paper trail, no money trail, all that kind of stuff. So Felix probably went to these guys, like Carl Gintero and Felix and basically said,

we want to train our guy. He didn't say he was CIA. He probably just said, we want to train your guys to fight. Yeah, what I think is, yeah, I mean, it's probably Felix just sold the version that he had a, way to keep bringing cocaine into the U.S. as a free pass. He probably said like, you know what, I'm a huge trafficker, so a traffic on the guano or whatever, and I can help you out because I have

connections, so we can bring a lot of airplanes. So when the Mexican criminal organizations said, like, okay, this is a free pass. It's actually working. They didn't give a shit. What do they have to pay or what they have to do that. Their eyes are on the target. They want money. Yeah, exactly. So they're probably saying, just train these people. We need, I need an army. I need a personal army, whatever. I'm fighting another criminal organizations, whatever, Central America. So just train a lot of my people.

So they're like, yes, we'll train your people, the use of arms, whatever, if you keep letting us, you know. And that's where Kiki Kamerenna, this former DE agent showed up. He found first this huge property where they were harvesting weed, marijuana, in Chihuahua, the biggest plantation. they've ever found ever.

But also he found these ranches where they were training disarmed people. And he was about to call on his boss. He had to ask for a meeting with this DA supervisor called Cookendoll. He's the only one who has never done any interviews when it comes to that story. He was the supervisor. He was Kiki Kamanana Supervisor. So if someone knows what really happened is Kukendo. but he even sued the production company of the last Narc

for how they portrayed his role in the whole thing. Really? So he's been out of it. Like, he's been out of every story. He's mentioned, because he's the main guy, he was the supervisor,

where he knows what happened. But he's never, he's never, has never talk about it. So, I don't know, that's also kind of like sketchy, right? Because you would come out and say,

like, yeah, my agents were working good, whatever, Kiki Kamerena requested a meeting to tell me something before he was kidnapped and eventually killed. This guy, his supervisor, he was in the office when Kiki got kidnapped? He was in the office and Kiki Kamerenna was kidnapped

right in front of the head frauders. Going to lunch, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Is this guy still alive? Kukendo? Yeah. I think he is. Really?

Yeah. Probably between him and Felix, they have the whole fucking truth, you know, of what happened. If they're going to tell the truths, like, sometimes, I don't know. Like, they're probably going to die before they actually tell. Felix is getting old, man. Felix is, well, like, 80-something, right? Yeah, he's in this late 80s, and he can either be, I walks around with a cane, apparently,

and gets around very slow. Dude, he needs to come clean before he leaves this world, dude. Just to know. I mean, he's probably, he was probably, I mean, it's probably true that he could say, like I wasn't even there. I swear to God, whatever. We'll take a Bible to swear to me. Dude, it's crazy.

It's like what we were saying last night. It's like the olden days of when the Guadalajara Federation controlled everything. It seemed like it was a much more smooth operation, way less bloodshed than what it is now with all the factions that are competing for power down there in Mexico right now. So right now in Mexico, what is the dynamic and the power structure of? the cartels? Is it mainly just the Sinaloa cartel and the New Generation cartel? Yeah, well, basically those are they... This is what changed through these years since the 80s, probably. If you love diving into culture and comedy, like on Danny Jones podcast,

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Back then, they were basically, Korean organizations, there were cartels. They were drug cartels. I don't think it's accurate to call them drug cartels anymore. We keep hearing the same thing over the news, right, like drug cartels. is probably the easiest way to make people to oversimplify what these criminal organizations are.

But I don't think it's accurate at all because they're not just drug cartels. Back then, Felix Gallardo and all these dudes, they were trafficking drugs and that was their whole business, right? They didn't have any other business. But these criminal organizations right now that we're dealing with today,

they're everything but drug cartels. Drug is just one revenue stream from a huge array of different revenues they get. Like, they're involved in extortion, they're involved in kidnapping, they're involved in monopolizing, they're involved in basically the sites of corruption, right?

Like, let's say you want to, you're running to be a local president for a municipality in Mexico. You want to win. So the cartel shows up with you. So, like, okay, you want to win this? think we can put a lot of money and get you a lot of boats. So you win the election, but in order after you get elected, what you're going to do with us is you're going to give us all the contracts for construction, for constructing hospitals, roads, schools, new developments, all that

stuff. Because that's the way they're going to make money out of it on these semi-legal things, right? They're monopolizing water. They're monopolizing gold mines. They're monopolizing a lot of like natural resources all over Mexico. Now they're all over with the immigration. They're basically handling the whole illegal immigration path and networks in Mexico and Central America. So they're everywhere where there is money to be made. But cocaine is still like 80% of their revenue, right?

Yeah, cocaine is pretty large still. But I'm not, I'm not sure if I will call cocaine, it's still a main revenue. for them. I think it's a steady... You wouldn't even call it a main revenue. No, I think it's a steady revenue. Probably the most steady revenue they have. But when you have things like fentanyl, which is huge revenue for them, I think that that's displacing the revenue from cocaine. Cocaine right now, it's at its lowest price per kilo in the U.S. I thought I saw a story. I've talked about it on this podcast recently, actually. I thought I saw story somewhere where one of the bosses of the Sinaloa cartel put out some sort of message to all

of the other bosses or people that were working in the cartel saying that if they caught anybody mixing fentany on to cocaine, they'd be executed or something like that. And there was like signs or something they put out. Yeah. If you take into account that they make public this announcement, it's not for their henchmen, right? Because they have private communication. They have private ways to communicate with the other organizations and stuff without making it public. They have walkies. They have means to reach every other member of the organization to tell them there is a ban, right? But the fact that they make it public says that they're talking to us, right?

To people, to media. It's propaganda, exactly. That's what they leave banners. And that's where they leave, like, bodies with a small mountain of fentanyl pills. So that's literally to dismark, to unmark themselves from the whole industry saying, like, no, we're the good guys. We're enforcing side by side with you guys, U.S. and Mexico government. We're working all together to stop the fentanyl production. But that's bullshit.

They're just moving kitchens to other places. Right now, I go to Sinaloa. It's really hard to find a laugh, a fentanyl laugh in Sinaloa, right? Because there's a lot of operations. They don't want to be, you know, like on the spot and that stuff. This is the article. Cinelloa cartels message to members, stop making fentanyl or die. Crime group yields to intensifying U.S. law enforcement pressure and is kidnapping or killing

producers who defy the ban. Is there a picture of the banners that they're posting? Oh, no, it's a paywall. This is all propaganda. This is just to get the media attention. That's what it was intended for, right? For articles like this. So everybody says like, okay, they want the U.S. media attention.

That's what they want, right? They reach out to journalists. They reach out to Mexican officials. They put out banners on folks. They think it's going to make flashy news headlines, you know, the next day. And we all fall for it. I mean, of course, my editor asked me like, hey, do you want to write a story on it? And I'm like, okay, let me just call some of these contacts I haven't seen Aloha to see what they say, what they feel.

And of course, everybody said, like, that it's bullshit where, I mean, everybody's still, you know, cooking. fentanyl. It's just a way to make it look like the organization is not involved anymore. Because even rivals, like the guys in Tijuana, right, the Arellano Felix organization, they've been rivals forever with a Chapitos faction, with a Sinaloa cartel. Are they still legitimate? They're still around. I mean, it's not handled by the main family members, but they're still around. The organization kept the name, but it's just new players, right? Left, So leftovers of probably the leftovers.

But even so, they also set up banners all over Tijuana saying like, yeah, we support or rivals initiative of banning fentanyl also on our territory in Tijuana. So if we find fentanyl, whatever. But if you go to Tijuana, it's so easy to get a hold of these M30 fake oxies or fake pills, you know, which are all laced with fentanyl. it hasn't stopped I mean the fentanyl trade hasn't stopped it hasn't even wind down it's it's huge they just moved the kitchens

I wrote a story about the kitchens being moved to Bogota in Colombia they started moving the whole the whole thing to small apartments in Bogota to San Luis Potosi so they're different Mexican states

that's really what's happening so where the cartels are at now like you just mentioned they're not just drug cartels anymore they are multi-national empires. Exactly, yes. They're controlling many states or countries in South America, Mexico. How many total countries are they?

Dude, I mean, I guess, I don't know, dude. I mean, it's got to be hard because, again, you have to understand these, these are like criminal enterprises or criminal insurgencies, right? They're huge. And they're not vertical. There's not like a single boss and then a bunch of people. They're like more horizontal organizations.

with smaller verticals, tiers, you know, you have a bus, and then probably four guys and then below, you know, but for the most part, they're horizontal organizations. Very dynamic. So you kill one, they move another one. If you arrest one, just the next one pops up. But the organization keeps at it, right? So that means when you try to identify what is or who is a member of a cartel, it's kind of hard because the old lady who is a, who is a member of a cartel, it's kind of hard. Because the old lady who is a, who is a, look out on a corner for the cartel. Is she part of the cartel or is she just getting, you know, 20 bucks a month to make a call whenever she sees something strange? What they called cartel, they themselves, the people who call themselves cartel are just the henchmen. They armed people. When you go to Sinaloa or to with the guys of the Halisco, new generation, whatever, what we see as the armed branch of an organization, that's what we see as the armed branch of an organization. that's what they call cartel. So if you said like, if you.

Sicarios. Exactly, basically, Sicarios. And when I interviewed people that are managing the organization that are in charge of money or attorneys or making decisions, they hate it when you call them cartel members. Right. So you're a cartel member. They're like, no, no, no.

I'm part of the organization, right, of the Sinaloa organization. Yeah. The cartel is just the armed branch of our organization. Right. that's how they see it. And I think that's probably when we were having a hard time to identify what is a cartel, who represents a cartel. Again, the buyers of the whole thing, of the drugs, even if they pay with money or are they

paying with arms, are on this part of the border, right? Or on the U.S. side? On the U.S. side? I mean, that's where the drugs are intended to come. So most of the buyers are on the U.S. side of the border. So are they cartel members or are they part of the organization or are they just clients? It's hard to tell the boundaries of what we call a criminal enterprise, right? Because when you think about, like, let's think about a proper enterprise.

Like, let's think about Coca-Cola, right? You have employees, and then you have a buyer on large scale. So they say, like, okay, I'm a distributor for you. Do they work for Coca-Cola or they're just distributors? How does that, I mean, how does that play out? in the criminal world the whole thing is to get arms

and money from the US and drugs into the US so you need a buyer even before you start cooking or buying if you want to get into it like as an independent what you first need is a client right someone who's already

buying your shit so you will go to L.A. or Miami or whatever and find a buyer and you say like hey man I have the capability to bring you 10 kilos of cocaine purest quality, whatever.

And when that person to agree, and it says like, okay, yes, let's do it. Then you go to your source and then source yourself and make money within that transaction. But then that's literally how the whole world of drug trafficking works, right? So there's a bunch of them

representing the cartel or the criminal organization on the side of the border. Usual buyers, usual distributors, people that knows what arms they need back in Mexico you know where to source them and they're also making money out of it or collecting the whole money for the

criminal organizations laundering money through hotels through real estate through a bunch of different industries and they are part of the organization they are probably the most important part of the fucking organization they're not

right right they're kind of the shots but they're handling the money They're handling the whole part of the operation that makes a criminal organization work. They're like the sales team. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So right now, basically what we have in Mexico is this dynamic, very dynamic operation between criminal enterprises or criminal insurgencies.

That they work side by side with the Mexican government as well in terms of corruption, in terms of getting rid of rival. or even political rivals, you know, these past federal elections, we have the most violent election process in Mexico's history. There were over 19 candidates killed all over Mexico. What? It was fucking wild.

It was, I think, two years ago, two or three years ago. Actual presidential candidates. Not all presidentials. Political candidates. Like state governors, local municipal mayor's

presidential candidates it was wild it and that it's that only shows you that a political the political aspect of Mexico it's not only political anymore it's also criminal

they're embedded right because they order these hits why else will a cartel or a criminal organization go and kill a politician if they don't have stakes in politics right So that means they work side by side.

And right now there are two main factions. The Sinaloa cartel with the Sinaloa organization with a bunch of different factions and the Cartel of National Generation, which is now breaking, starting to break into little factions as well. Those are the main ones, not the only ones. There are still the Zetas Vueja Skuela, which is a branch of the old Cetas cartel, right? You have the Cartel del Golfo, Cartel del Noreste.

You even have... The worst ones are on the East Coast, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't think they are, like, on the East Coast because they really operate in whole Mexico, but they have stronger stakes on the East Coast because that's where you have the biggest international port, sea port, where the precursors, arms, money are coming in, right? They're coming in from the Gulf.

They're coming in from, I'm sorry, from the west coast, from the west coast. So you have all the coast of Sinaloa and all the coast of Michoacan, right? And so that's where the two main cartels are based or operating probably more strongly. And then you have on the northeast part of Mexico, in Tamaulipas, in Nuevo-Leon, you have the cartel of Noreste, which is a strong cartel. cartel, also a branch of the setas. And then on the southern part of Mexico, you have these really interesting new development, which is an indigenous cartel.

They're called Cartel Chamula. Chamula is an indigenous community from southern Mexico, Maya descendant. And they form their own cartel, like their own criminal organization, to fight against the Calisco, fight against the Sinaloa cartel. and to handle their own shit. And they communicate on this Mayan language between each other. And you have to be a Chamula in order to be part of the Chamula cartel. So the dynamics of the criminalizations in Mexico are wild and are ever-changing.

So it's really hard to put a black and white thing on them. Like, these are the good guys, the bad guys. These are the most violent. These are, you know, the main ones. Because there's a bunch of them. Even if you talk about just a single organization like the Sinolaa cartel, there's a bunch of factions. You have Mayo Zambadas faction. You have Los Chapitos faction.

You used to have the Minilik or the Damasos faction. You used to have those Rusos faction, right? So you have a bunch of different smaller families like Los Alasar, Los Casares, et cetera, et cetera. So you have a bunch of different families. And when you talk of the Cartel-Halisco. new generation, for the most part, they are a single brand. But right now, it's breaking down into the jardineros and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, like different other, like smaller players that are trying to break their own branch of the same organization. That's interesting what

you said about the indigenous cartel in southern Mexico. We just had a guy on here a couple months ago, or maybe two months ago, this guy named Luke who explores southern Mexico and South Mesoamerica, Central America, and he basically explores all these hidden cities. And there is like millions of miles of hit uncharted cities in the jungle down there. It's southern Mexico and Central America. And he says like sometimes when you go out to like these temples, he's like they're guarded by armed cartel members because these guys will loot those places,

looking for gold and shit and looking for treasure. and artifacts and pottery and artwork and they'll sell it on the black market for tons of money. A hundred percent true, man. Yeah, that's how that's what I was selling. Like, these guys are not dealing with drugs. They have a branch that it's looking for gold,

that are looking for gold or silver or ancient artifacts, you know, to sell, like to traffic and all that stuff. And that's literally how it works. The thing is these criminal organizations are going to be around, like, flies around shit when there's money to be made. right when you go to places

like the sea of Cortez in in in Paso California beautiful sea and you have a huge

you have a season where a lot of jellyfish come out come up right so that's that's not working

for tourism and shit so the local fisherman they started like fishing all these jellyfish and there was

interest by the by a couple of companies in Taiwan to buy all the jellyfish from them because they eventually

dehydrate them, treat them with salt and sell it to China because it's a luxury food in China. So when the cartel learned about that, they're like, okay, so you're making literally millions of dollars out of yellowfish that we

don't use in Mexico. Okay, we're in. So they started going in, the Sinaloa Cartel, particularly, by threatening local fishermen, they killed one and they burned a couple of the trailers where they moved the jellyfish just to make a statement and say like, hey, you're not going to deal directly with these Taiwanese companies. We are going to be in the middle. We're going to buy from you, super cheap. There is no permission for anyone to go out into the sea without our permission.

You need to ask us for permission to go and feed yellowfish before you do. So we know how many exactly you got out of the sea and we have control of the whole operation we're going to make money out of it. So they monopolize the whole yellowfish business now in... They're literally like a parasite to any sort of fucking money making operation that exists down there.

Like it's a communism. Yeah. Yeah. Literally. What the... I wonder what China uses the jellyfish for. They eat it. They eat jellyfish. Yeah. Yeah. They dehydrate the yellowfish. They treat it with salt and they eat it. Like like... It's like a delicacy.

Yeah, it's like delicacy. Yeah, it's like, it's like, you find some photos? I wonder if it tastes good. I, uh, uh, these present. Peanut butter and jellyfish sandwich. It seems to be like super salty. I mean, that's what I've been told that it's super extremely salty. Probably not, not tasting good for us, but, um, jellyfish is eaten in China and other Asian countries.

In China, jellyfish is eaten as a delicacy in many ways, including in salads, a part of cold appetizers and marinated dish. Oh. It doesn't look bad. I bet you was some soy sauce. I bet she was pretty good. I'm not sure, man, because if it's already salty, could you imagine that even with, like, soy sauce? Oh, yeah, that might be too salty.

Dehydrated and pickled with sesame oil and salads. I want to try some now. Yeah, I'm not, I don't feel. Yeah, me too. The fishermen were making millions of dollars harvesting these jellyfish. Yeah. And now they're being taxed by the cartels. Exactly.

Just as what happened with the... I mean, is it a fair tax? Or is it a tax that literally, like, cripples their business? Literally, this past season, they lost the whole season because they couldn't pay the... I'm saying, is it a fair tax? Yeah, like a fair. 20%'s fair. 50 would be unfair.

There's no fair game. Yeah, so it's wild. They had to stop the whole season because they didn't want to deal with cartels, right? They were too afraid. It was wild. What's up, guys? I'm super psyched to introduce to you another product that I've been using for years now. That was also recommended to me by the world-renowned.

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scared to go out and, you know, ask for who's going to ask for permission and how's that going to work? And if you're in the middle and, you know, they think that you're ripping them off and so like, no, you got more yellowfish than what you're telling me, whatever. So he was like too too afraid. Well, didn't you just do a story about some farmers who were getting extorted? They were basically taxing them so much and the farmers got to a point where it's like they're not making enough money on harvesting whatever it was they were avocado the avocados they weren't making enough money so where they either had to die fighting against the cartel or die a starvation because they weren't going to make any money yeah this is this has been happening in mexico for a while

every super bowl season the u.s consumes so many avocados and i do guacamole yeah that it makes a war in Mexico. We love Walk. Dude, every, every Super Bowl season is war season in Mexico. So now there is a police called the avocado police. The Policayla, in Michoacan. It's basically civilians geared up on their own resources to look over. Michoacan, that's in Sinolawa? That's in, uh, or that's in Sinolaola.

It's in Michoacan. No, no, no, Michigan's a different state. Okay, okay. But it's, uh, central Mexico. Okay. So they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, where the self-defense groups came up 10 years ago with the Politomona, right? The first time they basically armed themselves and said, like, we're going to fight against

cartel, we're going to fucking die. Eventually, they won their first fight, which was a great precedent for, I mean, a great background for Mexico. So there started, like, a lot of people started forming their own guerrillas or their own self-defense groups until cartels said, like, you know what, fuck it. We had enough. So last, not this year, I wasn't Micho Khan because they killed the founder of the cell defense groups. A man, a very fucking brave man, a farmer called Ippolito Mora.

He was the leader. He was kind of like the central figure for every other self-defense groups in Mexico, right? And they killed him on his way back to his house from his farm and they burned him alive inside his pickup truck. He had guard by the Mexican state officials. They put him guards to protect his life because he has been receiving threats. Even, they all got killed and burned inside the vehicles. It was sad and alarming for, I visited his house. I visited the place where he was burned, what his body was burned.

Dude, everybody was like quiet, like in a fucking funeral. No one was like seeing anything. Their town looked deserted. it was really I don't know dude it was like yeah kind of like sad and scary at the same time

so what's going to happen with this farm well they kept it the fucking cartels the cartels kept all of his land so they killed him they got away with stealing his fucking farm yeah dude and very recently

probably the story you were talking about probably like two weeks ago in Mexico state these farmers also but they've been extorted forever by La Familia Michoacana and other cartel in central Mexico

but they they asked for twice what they were getting they were paying one peso per square foot on whatever they were harvesting a peso it's right now it's 18 pesos per $8 so it's probably a peso is not significant in U.S. currency but for a Mexican

one peso per square per square foot of what they were harvesting, right? A lot of corn, beans, whatever they're harvesting. Okay. So if you have, I don't know, 10,000 square meters of whatever you're harvesting, you need to pay a peso for every square foot, right, of that. And they asked them for twice that. They're like, okay, so this year you're going to have to pay.

So this year, this year doubled two pesos per square foot. They had a really bad season because they, it didn't rain in that part of Mexico this season. So they were like, dude, there's no way we can pay that. So they're like, well, you either pay or you die. They said yes, but they met a night before they had to meet these guys to pay their taxing, right? And they met at a soccer field in this little town in Mexico. The cartel members showed up, all geared up as usual, dressed as military members, whatever.

and then the whole community showed up but they showed up with uh with uh shotguns machetes sticks and stones and they were like we're not paying shit man and a fucking hell broke loose you see the videos there's people getting called kill like that like boom right in the fucking head and then another guy in the bag is like boom you killed my friend everybody said killing everyone in total there were 14 murders 11 of murders were cartel members. So that was a big win for that community. Wow. They were like, because they killed the leader

of the La Familia Mitroacana in that region. Oh, no shit. So they're like, fuck off. Now this past week, they came back. La Familia Mitroacana came back to that town and kidnapped a lot of young girls, a lot of babies, mothers.

They're keeping them as ransom. So they, because they're asking like, turn over your leaders. The guys who are, started this fucking fight, turn them off over to us. Or we're not going to, we're going to kill all your family members. And the situation, it's still tense. I mean, they still haven't released the kids, the woman,

because they want to, they want the community to turn over the leaders of who started that revolt against the cartel to teach them a lesson. And what does the Mexican military do about this? Are they asking them to help? Nothing. They've been asking for help for, probably the last five years, this community. And the Mexican army or the Mexican government has never showed up. What the Mexican president said was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, we knew about those guys

that were major targets for us. We were just unable to find them before, but they're dead now. So you guys are good. And that's it. That's literally. Yeah, dude, it's mind-blowing what's happening right now in Mexico. That's fucking insane, man. Wild.

Now who is, so you just. got done with a you did a really big interview with and i think did you partner with grillo to release it yeah what what was that interview that was the with the guy who basically was damaso lopez right he was partners with with el chapo yeah or he was started out as his security el chapo like he gained his trust over the years however long it was and then eventually el chapo made a deal with him saying if i ever get pinched or if i ever get killed you're going to take my spot yeah exactly And this guy that you met with was his son. Yes.

Got it. So basically, the Damasos started off when El Chapo escaped for the first time from prison in Mexico, right? His first... He helped him to escape. He was the director of the prison. He was an attorney. And he was the director of that prison. So he helped El Chapo escaped.

So when El Chapo escaped, he knew they were going to come after him. So El Chapo offered him a job. He's like, okay, after I'm gone, come and look for me. in Sinaloa and I'll give you a job. And he made this guy, Damaso Lopez Nunez, a licensedian, he made him his right hand in the cartel on his faction, right? So he was dealing with, he was basically calling the shots.

Like, even though I'm going to get a lot of, a lot of this comment saying, no, dude, he was never a shot call or whatever. He was the brains behind El Chapo, right? El Chapo will consult everything to him. It was like, okay, we want to, what do we do? We're facing these and that. And he was, he was, he was a fucking attorney.

So he will say like, okay, let's not go into a fight. Let's do these. Or let's go into a fight. Let's form a new group. Let's move money here and there. He was the chapos right hand, his most trusted man. And they became compadres, basically. He was the godfather to his sons.

And Tamaso was godfather to Los Chapitos. Right. So there were family, basically. They were embedded with them. They were family. They grew up together. The son of Damaso Lopez Nunez, Damaso Lopez, Damaso L'Opezzarano, El Minilik. He was basically part of Los Chapitos.

They grew up together. He was best friends with Alfredo. He was best friends with Edgar, the youngest of Los Chapitos. And eventually, when Al Chapo got kidding. Was he friends with El Minilik, good friends with Ovidio? Ovidio. Archivaldo, all those guys. They literally grew up together.

He was best friends with El Maggio's son as well, Del Mio Gordo. So he was like, there was a pack of Narcoon juniors, you know, basically owning the whole fucking state of Sinaloa. And so what happened is when they arrested Al Chapo and he got extradited, he sent a letter to Damaso, to a licensedian, saying that all the money was for his four kids. kids and his wife, Emma Coronel, right? But the organization, he was going to leave that in hand of the Damasus, right? The leak and the mini-leek. Probably it was a smart move. Wait, wait, wait.

So the money, meaning the money that they already had, the cash or the income that the business was bringing in? I guess both. Like the cash that he already had, the properties, all that shit. Because on the letter, what he said, it was like, you were already. have enough money. Just get out of this shit. Live your life. Do his kids. More than enough to his kids and his wife. You leave

your life. You have more than enough to live a good life. And leave the organization in the hands of Damasso. Right? It was probably a smart move because El Chapo probably thought that these was coming. These war against Los Chapitos and that they're going to end like him, extradited to the U.S., facing

life sentences and that kind of shit. So he didn't want that for his kids. He's like, well, you know what? Like, let El Cinesiano take the fucking hit and you guys retire and leave well. Well, they didn't want to do that. They were like, fuck, no, the organization is ours. We're the head of the organization right now.

They didn't listen to his dad, and they started fighting against the Damaso, against their godfather, basically, the one in charge. For what I understand, Damaso, Elisencio tried to negotiate, right? I always try to, like, say, like, guys, this is. what your dad wants to happen to the organization. I don't want to fight with you. But then they started, you know, killing his henchman,

killing his security people. The Chapo started killing his. They started killing his. For what Minilik told me, he's version of the story. And every time they will come after them saying like, hey, why are you killing our people? They're like, oh, it was a mistake.

Sorry, my guys were like really high or really drunk, whatever, but I'm going to give him a lesson. Sorry about that. And they keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. Until Damaso Lopez Serrano, El Minilik, got fed up with it. And he talked to his dad. He said, like, dude, I'm going to go all in against Los Chapitos. Fuck it.

His dad was like, dude, we don't need a fight. We don't want a fight between a family within a single faction. Let's just solve this out. He gathered a group of other cartel members. from everywhere, even from, like, mafia people from Canada, like, from everywhere that they hated it on, was Chapitos, right?

So you got there a group, made a WhatsApp group, and said, like, hey, we need to get rid of these fuckers. Like, they're just making too much waves here in Sinaloa, we don't want them. What do we do? So they started planning. And by the birthday of the oldest,

Ivan Archivaldo, Guzman, he was celebrating in Guadalajara, at this fancy restaurant and they kidnapped the four sons of El Chapo the order was to kill them, right? But El Mayo got in the middle, they tried to negotiate and then El Chapo was in prison in Ciudad Juarez

right at the border between El Paso, Texas and Mexico. And from there... This is before he was extradited. Before he was 2017, probably a couple of months before he was extradited. 2016, I'm sorry. So he called, he managed to get the news from the guards there. And he requested a call.

So he called a prison in Halisco where El Cholo, his right hand, his henchman, El Cholo was arrested. And he said like, hey, Cholo, I know you get along well. We get along well with El Mancho's people, whatever. I know that Almenchos, the head of the Calisco cartel, new generation. I know that his son is in prison with you and your friends. But you know what? time to make friends. I need you to kidnap him inside prison to make him disappear until they let my kids go. So El Cholo went after the son of Almenchu inside prison, kidnapped the kid, made the director

of that prison called El Mentional and said like, hey dude, your kid is nowhere to be found. And this is a message to you. As long, as soon as you free my kids that are kidnapped, I'll free yours. Meaning Leshapitos. Los Chapitos. So, so basically Almencho was like, I'm not, I'm not part of this yet, but it's my turf, right? It's Guadalajara, it's Halisco, this is my turf. So he ordered the Chapitos freed so they had to free them and then they freed his son into prison, right? And that's how they that's how they literally declare war against each other. Wow. Los Chapitos against Damaso.

Los Chapitos eventually managed to get a lot of, like, more power and overpower the Damasos. And Damaso was arrested in Mexico City, Damaso dad, Elizantialo was arrested in Mexico City. What year was he arrested? I think it was 2017. Okay. And then months after, Minilik couldn't hold the, you know, his turf. Right. So he had, he went for the border in Calexico and turned himself over to the DEA.

He has been talking. with the DA for a while now. And he had been, like, planning on turning himself over so he can, you know, give information against Los Chapitos. And now he's the main guy behind the hunt against Los Chapitos. Because he went, he served for five years.

They released him. He's free. He's not under WITSEC. He's not under witness protection or whatever. It's just the main source of information. He's not under witness protection at all? No, he's not. They're protecting.

The DEA is protecting him. But he's not, he never signed as a, Witzek. He's not signed in as a How much protection could you possibly get from the DEA? Not sure, man. Not sure. But when I met him, I could tell that there were a couple of agents around the place we met.

Oh, really? So they're putting an eye on him. So, okay, explain to me how this interview came about. Like, did he reach out to you out of the blue? Or how did this happen? Yes, you reached out to me. through Instagram first.

He sent me a DM. And of course, I'm like, yeah, dude. I mean, I get reached out by this amount of career. Your DMs must be insane. They're fucking wild, man. They're fucking wild. I mean, every, probably I get, what, like five, ten messages requests every single hour of people saying everything from threats,

from help me. I have a family disappear, whatever, to advise. Hey, man, I'm traveling to Mexico. Is it safe to go to this resort in Cancun, whatever? Right. To, hey, I'm El Mayo. A, I'm talking to you on behalf of this crazy secret of organization in the U.S. that you never heard of and we're going to kill you. To there is a bounty on your head to watch out.

I'm a U.S. official and I know that this is happening. This is a new software criminals are using. A part of it called Titan. We'll get into it later. these leads all come in through your DMs most of the leads come most of them yes how do you filter out which ones are legit or not do you do you actually go through them all no i imagine it's got to be hard to keep your standing yeah no no no i mean there's no fucking way i can go through it all um what i usually do is when i think there could be a story i go and try to vet the information and the people behind it if that

person is not willing to turn on his video camera, to share IDs, to share, like, kind of like that kind of shit, I just drop it. I literally drop it. If someone tell me, even if it sounds like good info, most of the guys with good info, they will do, they will follow. They'll show you that. Let's move to a secure app. I have a couple of secure apps. And let's move to that, open an account on these several secure apps, whatever. And throw on your camera so I can know you. Because you know my face, you know my name, you know all about it, but I don't know who's behind that account. So it's only fair to be on a neutral space. I know how to take care of your side of things so you don't get backlash or whatever. I'm not going to record anything. We're just going to talk first, right? I need to understand who are you. Why are you bringing these information to me? What are your motivations? What do you want for it? What kind of information is this?

I waste a lot of time with kind of like fake weak leads, right? But sometimes it works because you get some strong fucking leads, you know? So sometimes it's just nothing, all news,

something that it's just rumors, something like, I know a guy who knows a guy who has a cousin that blah, blah, blah. How do you vet or how do you, what, like, red flags do you look for when you're vetting some of these people that are messaging you?

Like to determine whether they have some sort of ulterior agenda or motive or might just be like one faction of one cartel that wants to like attack another faction or paint another faction a bad light or first red flag is when they say it's just for the sake of truth just for the sake of you know everybody has an agenda deal like everyone especially they reach out to someone who's about to publish something so yeah so most of these guys are are are because I speak with a lot of honesty. Like, that's what I do. I talk about my ways of doing it. I'm very honest on saying, like, it's probably nothing. I'm probably not even going to publish this shit. Or just stop and don't tell me shit because I don't want to know about that stuff.

Or just like, hey, dude, I'm going to have to, if you bring this information to me, I'm going to have to bet this through U.S. and Mexican officials. If you're good with it, I mean, I'm going to try to protect your identity and everything. but with this info I might have to bet it through these people to see if they know something so I'm super honest about my process right and when the person

behind that account is honest as well and it's like talking to me on video whatever and so like you know what you know why I'm bringing this here because I want to retire and I want to fuck these guys over and that's it or they did me wrong

and I want to fuck him or I just think this is overstepping you know the my morals or my you know, things. And this is, this is something that I don't want to be involved into. But I got this info. So I'm just handing it over to you and do what you got to do.

Or, yes, I'm a member of the faction against those guys. So those guys are a fucker. Like Damaso himself. When he reached down, he said, like, hey, man, I'm Damaso, Mini League. I had uploaded a couple of videos about him because he was recently freed. So I uploaded a video saying that he was free. We have the video that he originally sent you. No, no, no, no, no, no, videos that I, that I posted on my YouTube, talking about him, right, first, like saying like, hey, so Damaso was freed, this is this guy, this is what he did, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, this is what he was, like, debriefing what, it was Damaso, right? And then he, I got reached out to you, first of all, because you talk a lot of bullshit, but most of that bullshit is not necessarily lies. So I just want to set the record straight for you.

and I'm like, okay, I don't know if that's a compliment or what, but if you are really who you say you are, let's move towards your app and turn on your camera. I'm pretty sure that I can recognize your face. So he did, he turned on his camera, and he had this hat on, and he was on selfie mode. And I was like, can you move your hat a bit up, you know, so I can see your face.

And I saw his face, and it was him. And I was like, oh shit, so it's really you. And it's like, yeah. And I'm like, dude, you look old. And he just laughed And he's like, yeah, you look more fucked up too camera

So I'm like, thank you dude So yeah I mean can you show me Your ID passport something That says that has your name Yeah I mean I don't have to But I'll do it for you

So he shows his idea whatever And then we kept talking We turned off the camera Keep talking for a while So I'm like Dude I'm very interested in an interview With you But I'm pretty sure that you're reaching out

With an agenda right Like, what is it? And he was very clear about it. It's like, I just want to fuck the chapitos over. So I just want to talk a lot of shit I know about them and how things really went. And, yeah, that's, I mean, I'm being transparent on my intentions. So I'm like, okay, so those are your intentions. On my intentions, I don't want to fuck anyone.

I couldn't give a shit about like fucking those chapitos or whatever. I just want to interview with you. And that's the main thing. I'm interesting. Can we agree on the. middle ground where I'm when I'm going to make an interview with you but I'm not going to talk shit about these guys any unproven improving shit and he's like no I have proof of what I'm going to tell you and okay so perfect so we agreed on on meeting right in person in prison yes uh so I flew to L.A

he was not living in L.A he was living somewhere else so he traveled by land uh to L.A. You weren't really concerned about meeting with him because he'd already done his present time he was a free man. He had no reason to fuck with you. Even though I mean, you never know. So yes. You still never know. Yeah. So I was absolutely, yeah, I was kind of like concerned about that, but I was like, fuck it, dude.

I'll just do it, you know. I flew to L.A. He asked me to be in Turner Hotel. I have a whole protocol when I travel to meet people, you know. A whole prodigal that I'm, of course, I'm not going to disclose in detail, but there's a whole protocol to... Do you have people

that go there for you in advance to scope about the location. No. Like a lot of people like, I know presidents when they go and visit places for meetings or presidential candidates, they have what's called an advanced team where they go. Like if they're meeting in a hotel,

they'll have a team of guys that like walk through the hotel, talk to people and like. No, I don't like I work on a way more simple, you know, protocol. Part of it, I can say probably part of it. It's just either arriving way earlier day or two days or three days or

even a week earlier or. or a week later, you know, and say like, sorry, whatever, blah, blah, blah. So I, yeah, that's part of it. Like, yeah. So it's a whole product I have that has worked for me to make me feel safe. Even choosing the, I just asked, because he set the place, but I asked to choose my own room and book my own things. I'm like, okay, you want me to be in this hotel, particularly. I'll be there.

but let me handle the whole fucking thing of my arrangement of flights, transport, hotel room, all that shit. Because it's like, I can put you in that hotel, whatever. I'm like, no, I don't need you to do that for me. Just set a place and I'll handle the whole fucking thing, right? So he set the place, set the date,

and I, so I request that a certain room where I feel safe, where it has like certain, you know, ways of exit and blah, blah, blah, security protocols on a room. And yeah, I waited and he showed up at the agreed time. And he was very normal. It was like just like a regular dude you meet and say like, hey, what's how? Are you armed when you go to do this? On the U.S. side of the border, most of the times I'm not, but sometimes I am.

Sometimes I am. In Mexico, no. But in Mexico, when I feel, this is the thing. the simplest thing about a security protocol is that if you feel you're gonna you have a chance to die like a real chance like a real threat so don't fucking go right so it doesn't worth it

so that's the simplest thing it's like okay so I feel a real threat something is off they're asking me to travel to these plays to meet these guys to blah blah blah blah blah nah I'll just pass on it even if it's you hear that

yeah do that sound Steve It's the coyotes. It's the coyotes. Oh, it's that. Okay. Sorry. So that's what I do.

When I feel like, okay, I might go. In Mexico, depending on who I'm meeting, if it's like a middle man, middle range, whatever. I do have a bunch of contacts in Mexico that I just ask them like, hey, can you watch over me? That's a good. Yeah. They're like super, super legit in terms of they won't say shit, right? They won't say who I made where I made nothing. I trust them enough and they trust me enough.

But they are heavily armed but trained people. Right. Good, good heavyweight guys. Yeah, like a paramilitary guy or on this side. Get like a fucking Navy SEAL or something. They're super discreet. They're around like regular people, whatever. But I'm like, yeah, can you help me out on this one?

But if I need them to show up like, you know, like proper geared up or whatever, then I ask them like, yeah, you can show up like geared up and whatever. They will show like basically secure. escorts and you know like that kind of shit especially when it's a bar when it's a public bar crowded with people and you know like a club or whatever and they someone wants to meet there for a reason i ask him to to go like fully you know like really yeah like can you help me out and why at a bar would you want him to look like that because you show you show that you're with people right you show you that you were with security and so they're basically bodyguards

and you want them to to to know that you have body cords because when you when you put into the mix alcohol and shit right then things can go of fast this is that's the other thing like i've been reached out recently by a source that he's slow dude like probably one of the biggest interviews i bet i could ever uh do eventually if but these dude is always wasted dude like shit-faced so i'm always trying to let him know like dude okay call me tomorrow when you feel better right because i don't deal with people that are under the In points of anything. Because, yeah, you need a clear mind.

And also, I need respect, you know, for like, dude, I'm giving you respect. I'm a journalist. This is my job. I'm being a professional. We're not friends. We're not, you know, this is not a social gathering. This is work for me. And I'm taking time from my family from whatever, my work, to give you time.

And I appreciate you giving me time for this. But I need also respect from your end. You can call me all shit-facing, like, hey, I'm decent, blah, blah, blah, blah. even if your info is great, I'll rather pass on it because that's not the way I work. Right. Pardon this brief interruption, but I want to take a second to talk about our sponsor, Verso. Now, if you've heard this podcast before, chances are you already know how obsessed I am with health and longevity. Which is why one of my favorite guests to have on the show is nutritional scientist and neuroscientist, Dr. Dom Degistino, who actually introduced me to this stuff.

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Back to the show. Damask was very serious, right? He was like cleaned, serious. He agreed on the time. He's 37. He's 37. 37. Yeah, if I would have met with him in the hotel,

I would imagine my first reaction would be like, we got to meet in the lobby or like in the restaurant at the hotel or something. This is the thing. I requested for a room with a window to the street where I knew he was coming. I asked him to show up, right, a certain time. Well, he asked me to meet him a certain time.

And I'm like, I'm going to meet you upstairs. I'm going to meet you in this room. But I changed the plan. So I met him on the street, right? When I was looking over the room, I saw a couple of DEA agents around. Because you can tell they're like, you know, cargo pants, these Oakley glasses. Really? They kind of like scouted the place and blah, blah, blah.

And then he showed up. He pulled over on a blackest. So he had the DEA as like an advanced team for himself. I think he didn't have the DEA. I think the DEA was like. Just following him. Yeah. follow him.

So I'm like, okay, he's moving. Apparently he's going to go into this hotel for some reason. So boom, they kind of like went and say like, okay, let's see what happens. You're doing like legitimate spycraft when you're preparing for these. It's crazy. And then I saw him arrive. And before he pulled out, I was already in the street, right? I was already out in the street.

So I greeted him. He kind of like surprised him. Like I opened his door. He came out. And he was like, hey, come up. Hey, how's this, compadre. Hey, dude, how are you doing? I'm like, hey, did all good.

So what time? It's like, hey, you want to jump in and probably have a drive and grab something to eat, whatever, before we're going to? And first I was like, ah, probably not the best idea. But I kind of like felt that he was pushing a bit for it. So I was like, okay, okay. So, okay, I'll follow through. Yes, let's let's go.

So I jumped into the back of his car, black car tinted windows. Who was driving? one of his guys I didn't he have a lot of money dude here yeah man like yes

like a lot of fucking money yeah like his own driver full-time driver kind of money this guy from he was in a low an accent young kid I thought he was family member

or something like that he was like quiet with a bunch of like cash money on his fanny backpack you know

and a cap driving around. What are you laughing at? He had a fanny pack full of cash. Yeah. Yeah, bro. This guy, Minilik, was not able because of his, because of the condition, legal condition, he's not able to meet journalists, family members, criminal members, or former criminals,

or handled money, right? He needs to use a pre-approved debit card where the DEA, you know, allows him to allow him to keep some of his money. But of course, what else is going to do? So he has a bunch of cash, right? But he's not handling. His other guy is handling the cash. What kind of cars are you driving?

I can say. I mean, probably, yeah, I can say, and we want, I do, I can say that we want to have pancakes. It was surreal, dude. Do you know a Waffle House or our IHOP? Waffle House sitting with fucking this former leader of the Cinelloa Cartel. And his henchman or whatever He was

He called him secretary So he's with his secretary And a fucking waffle house Having blueberry pancakes Oh my God Well it wasn't pancakes Waffle house doesn't have pancakes I don't think

There's only waffles Yes No fucking man And yeah And then uh yeah And then uh yes I mean Some other people showed up

I can say whatever Uh huh And then we went back into the Into a hotel room I was like So you're ready like do you feel cute to go back and do a hotel and then start an interview did you feel pretty good about did you have like build a rapport with him during when you

guys were eating yes yes yes yes yes yes yes you feel pretty confident yeah dude what I want what I want to do with every single source is first that they know that they have my respect that I'm not judging that I'm not you know anyone to judge whatever they do whatever they want to say what I don't give a shit they're fucking humans so I can't I try to find a common and relatable ground, right? Something, even if it's a sport or a caller or music or something we have in common so we can start like doing small talk and relate to each other, right? So we can find common ground right before going into full.

A lot of a journalist, what they do is they go into full journalist mode and just dump a bunch of questions, right? So how do you start it? blah blah, blah, baby, this and that, tell me this, tell me that. Tell me this. I'm not easy on them because I question Damasso really hard on the accusations of him killing a journalist, probably the last brave journalist in Mexico, Javier Valdez. He was fucking legend, dude.

He was an inspiration for all of us. And he is accused, formally accused of killing Javier Valdez. Who accused him? The Mexican government. The Mexican government is asking the U.S. government to deport Damaso. so he can face jail in Mexico for the killing of Javier Baldes. So this is not only an issue of cartel, this is a binational political issue between the two countries.

Does the Mexican government really care? Or do you think it's the fucking proxy cartel within the government, trying to get him why? Exactly. That is what it is. That's exactly what it is. Anyways, I question his version of him not killing Javier Valdes, and he said it was lost chattuck. So how long?

Okay, so let's go, let's do it. So after you guys had breakfast or pancakes, so we went back to the hotel. And then what, how did it go? Did the guy come with you? Did you guys go alone? No, no, we came all together. I had the room already set up, you know.

No personal, like my backpack was literally ready to go right next to the door in case something, you know, whatever. We came up. he sat on a chair and his other dude sat on the other on the other side of looking towards the door and I literally sat on the floor

he was like you want to there was another chair whatever no I'm like I'm feel comfortable sitting on the floor just to make just to make a statement that I'm cool you know I'm not feeling threatened so we can all relax and be cool and I sat on the floor and I started talking

so like so dude like this is probably the first and last time I'm gonna talk to you. So do you have enough time? And it's like, dude, I don't have anything else to do, but sit on my fucking house. So by all means. So this interview lasts like for probably,

probably like 12 hours, 11, 12 hours. We kept talking, we kept talking and talking and talking. I first wanted to get out of the fucking room, the whole journalist thing, right? Javier Valdez. So one of my first question was like, You started with that. I started with like, how do you feel?

What are you doing now? What is your legal situation right now? What is happening with your dad? It's still behind bars. Are you comfortable saying, openly saying, that you are cooperating with the U.S. authorities to go against those chapitos? I explained what my plans were to publish, right? It's like, this is not going to be a biography or something.

shit like that. I'm going to push back into what you say and lay out what I feel is the truth in your impressions. He only said like, I hope you're not too harsh in me. And I'm like, well, let's see, man. Let's see how the text goes. I'm not going to be particularly harsh in you. It's just the way I write. It's

it's it's a, try to be as objective as I can, right? So, so I want to get rid of the white elephant in the room Javier Valdez. And he's like, okay, let me tell you and I'm like, okay, before you tell me, I shouldn't tell you that one of my biggest fears right

now is to be sitting across someone who killed a journalist. Right. Because if you kill a journalist, then you're basically a direct threat to me as a journalist as well. So I don't want to be in the middle of that. So if you come true and you say the truth and you say, you know what, yes, I was involved, I'm not going to be judgey. But, I'm probably going to call this interview off and just leave, man. I can't do this like that. And even if I feel you're not telling the truth, I also might take everything else you say for untrue, right?

So let's get rid of that shit. I'm being honest with you. I'm being clear. I'm risking myself a bit too to be here. I'm being like good to you. So let's let's talk with the web. Let's talk like with balls. and yeah, I mean, he started laying out his version

that is out on the story. He said basically that he wasn't him, that it was Los Chapitos, because of an interview Javier Baldess published with Damaso. He published an interview. Yeah, when they were at war, Damaso reached out to Javier Valdez,

to these journalists. And he said like, hey man, I want to give you an exclusive interview with me and my dad telling you what is happening right now in Sinaloa within the Sinaloa a cartel. Javier Valdez said, okay, let's do it. He, uh, he did an interview with both of them, and he published the interview. And when he was about to publish the interview, Los Chapitos

somehow learned that he had interviewed Amazon. So they asked him, like, hey, man, how much money did he want for not to publish that story? He said, this is not a money thing. We're going to run the story. And then he called his, uh, the director, the owner of the newspaper. So like, hey, I want to buy you that interview. How much money do you guys want? And I say, nope, we're going to run the story. So they published the story, and Los Chapito sent all of their henchmen to basically get all the newspaper distributed in the whole state. So no one could read that story.

So they burned the whole fucking, yeah. So they stopped the delivery, pickup trucks, whatever, and then they burn the whole fucking thing. Then they publish the story again. Is this verifiable? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything is, everything is, it's a, it's a, it's a very far version of that happening. Even the director of the news paper published the whole, his, this version on the website, right? So before that, I mean, after that, they published the story again on the next, on the next printed version, right?

And they posted it online. That's when they, that's when they killed Javier Valdez, right? But right after the interview, Javier Valdez also published an OPD calling Damaso a shitty fucking henchman for the Sinoload cartel that he had no decision-making capabilities and he was like dumb and, you know, kind of like trashing mini-leek. So after that, after they published those couple stories, he got killed right in front of the newspaper. damaso says he was killed by los chapitos because he he published that interview but lo chapito said it was damaso because he kind of like insulted him what damaso says like imagine if i go killing every guy who who who is insulting me i mean it was going to be fucking blot shit all over i can't take i can't take an insult you what does your gut tell you my god tell me that is uh that he that he that he that he was

those chapitos man i mean it kind of makes sense it kind of makes sense that that you know what I think is what really killed Javier Maldes is the impunity that is in Mexico a journalist in the US will never face that faith even if you're giving an interview here getting into there you publish some shitty like blah blah there a journalist should never face

the questioning on who was who was the one who killed me what got him at the end is that he got in the middle of a fucking war of factions and that he didn't have no protection by the authorities

right that the whole fucking state is run over by these guys so whoever killed him whoever of

these two factions killed him they shouldn't have been able to reach out to him in that way right to threaten him

to kill him if if the Mexican government will do his job right right

so either way my gut says it was probably them because they didn't, they show that they didn't want that story published. But I'm not putting my hands for Damaso.

Ikul easily be damas. He had a lot of power. He, of course, is a man capable of killing people, right? So I'm not putting my hands to hire for his version. This is what he says. I still haven't had an interview with any of those chapitos to hear their version, right? hopefully one day I can I can bring the other version the other version more journalists die in Mexico than anywhere in the world than anywhere the world outside of a war zone yeah outside of what

a war zone right yeah so what else did you get out of that interview with him during that 12 hours so basically we got rid of that shit and then he started telling me how he became part of the organization his whole that story how he grew up and how he didn't want to be part of the cartel He's like, dude, I wanted to be a pilot. So I want to study for a pilot. I started like the school, whatever. But in order to be a pilot in Mexico, you need to go to, at the end,

you need to go through the Mexican military to get a permit to fly. So he's like, okay, I approve all my test and exams, whatever. I showed up to my dad. It was about 18. And he's like, dude, I need my credentials from the Mexican military.

I'm going to show up to the military zone here in Tina Loa, whatever, to ask for my card. And he's like, the fuck, you're not going to do that, dude. Like, that's too risky. No, find another fucking thing to do. It's like, what do you mean? It's like, dude, you have my same name. The government is all after me.

They're going to be after you or they're going to take you in order to get me. So no, find another thing to do. So he's like, what else? And he's like, okay, so I started setting up a business. And then my dad said, like, okay, but you're not going to run that business, right? You're going to have a frontman running that business for you. And he's like, no, dude, the whole fucking thing of doing a business is to run a business. He wanted to get his hands dirty.

Yeah. And no, he was like, no, dude. Like, if you do that, you're risking yourself. You're putting yourself out there too much that don't. If you want to have a business, I can't give you the money, put the business, but have a frontman run from you for you. And it's like, nah, it doesn't make sense. He doesn't want to just be an investor. He wants to actually do something.

Do something. And then his thought was like, then he was like, okay. So then you want me basically to become a fucking trafficker. And he's like, fuck no. And he's like, dude, you don't let me do anything. I want to do something. So yeah, let me move some bricks. And he's like, all right, if you want to do that, that's how you.

So he gave him a couple of bricks. He told me that he sold the bricks. He came back home and his dad asked him like, how much money do you make on them? And he was like, I don't know, let's say he paid $10,000 for the bricks, sold them, came back, how much money you made on it? And he's like, $10,000. It's like, what do you mean $10,000? 10,000, on top of the 10,000? It was like, oh, 10,000.

And he's like, dude, the whole fucking business is supposed to be made for you to make money, dude. That's how they work. No one explained to him how the economics of buying and selling works. Exactly, dude. So he's like, okay, so then he started learning how to do that shit, right? How to sell breaks and how to, yeah, he was eventually in charge of moving large quantities of cocaine and shit in Sinaloa and then handling the money and then blah, blah, And then he like kind of like he kept stepping up until the war between the factions broke loose. What is Damaso's relation? Does he have a relationship or is he have any communication lines open with El Chapo?

No, he said not anymore. He said he was he was he said like at the beginning of course I fell bad. But because El Chapo was my godfather. When he escaped, we gave him, we lent him. or houses and we were in charge of his security. So he was around. And when they killed El Chapo's son in 2016, I think, Edgar. They killed his son? He killed his son, dude. Which one of his son?

Edgar. He was the youngest. Oh, fuck, I didn't even realize that. Edgar Guzman. He was killed allegedly by mistake. Because the same, by the other guy, but by this, by his same organization. They thought there was, they thought he was part of the Beltran Leibas, a rival faction, the Senora Cartel. But it was allegedly his own same organization

who killed him by mistake. And he was best friends with Damaso. They were best friends, like since kids. Damaso says that he's still very heartfelt for what happens. He's like, I was supposed to be with him that night. But I got a call from a girl, so I went into her house. And when I'm taking a shower to go to him, they called me and say like, hey, dude, they killed Edgar.

And he's like, dude, that broke my heart. He was my best friend in the fucking world. So whenever I met El Chapo, El Chapo would ask me, like, how was Edgar? What kind of girls he liked? And he kind of like replaced Edgar with me. So when I got married, every birthday and stuff, El Chapo would show up to my parties, but he wouldn't show up to his son's parties, his own own, uh, weddings or birthday parties or whatever.

Like Ovidio? Like Ovidio, Ipan Archibald, Alfredo, he wouldn't show up to them, but he will show up for Damasos, right? So they started getting jealous. Like, why the fuck are you, is our dad showing up to every single one of your fucking parties

is not showing up to us? Yeah. So he was, he felt like he was, in the head of old chapel, he was like another kid. But then he was like, I asked him, like, was it hard to testify against El Chapo on his trial, like, to point him and say, like, yeah, this is the man. And it's like, no, dude, because at the end, he sent a letter to his sons saying that I'm going to find the fucking rat who's riding on you guys and I'm going to have him killed.

So he's like, okay, so he's after me. I'm just going to go after him. Fuck it. So he went. So, yeah, he's like, I don't feel bad about it. Like, fuck it. This is the name of the game. He's either his life or mine.

So it's going to be his. right and and I'm like dude how comfortable you feel telling that you are sharing all the information the US has against those chapitos and he's like dude that's that's what I'm that's my fucking plan that's my goal in life right now to have him either killed or arrested and I and it's like he told me like I swear to you that I'm going to see the four of them here the three of them here uh the four of them sorry here in the US that was before Ovidi was exotider right right And after this interview got published, who reached out to you? So this is the thing.

The interview got published on crashoutmedia.com. Sorry for the advertisement. I self-stack. We're managing Yuan Grillo and myself. We're kind of like partnering to publish exclusive stories there. And this story went huge, right? Especially in Mexico. Before, quick aside, before you published it or before you even interviewed him, did you reach out to some of the big, like, media outlets that you typically work with?

Not before I interview him. Okay. After I interviewed him, after I recorded the whole fucking excited, I recorded the whole interview with proper podcast microphones and shit. Like, I got a gear and I have a full. It's not, it's not the whole hours, of course. It's about a three hours interview. Wow. You edited 12 into three?

I didn't record everything. Okay. Yeah, there was no fucking way I could have enough space to record everything, right? So I did take notes on everything, on everything, everything. I have, like, huge note paddle notes. But I have pretty good hours of audio of that interview. But then, okay, so I didn't reach out to anyone probably after a month after the interview. I was planning on how I'm going to publish it.

Is it worth it? What scenarios I'm going to face? What backlash can I get from that? The legal side of it as well, you know, like the whole fucking thing. So it took me a month. Before traveling, I also was dealing with another set of stories, hard reporter stories, you know, so complicated. So I need like free space. When I have some stories like these, sometimes like that for probably two weeks, I went out of my home.

to my parents to leave on one of the rooms and to just stay there and think right try to focus and think what I'm about what am I about to do and is it worth it and how to package this story and who I'm going to pitch it to right and and just dumb the whole fucking thing you know yeah and then when I had something together I reached out to uh to uh Rolling Stone first um they said they were interested they were like yeah fuck yes we're definitely interested this is the godson of old chapel speaking for the first time ever

so this is this is massive during a hunt for lo chapitos right so this is a great exclusive shit then they took a fucking week or two weeks to get back at me with something I ask I'm like okay so what's the rate and how many words and

you know like the details usually you ask after a pitch do you have a deadline whatever they didn't answer for two full weeks they got back to me with a question

saying like how competitive this is and I was like dude if you're asking me that question then I'm just probably going to waste my

fucking exclusive story on a magazine that it's just going to put it on the back end of a magazine and it's not going to package it well

right I was really disappointed at Rollingstone because I I have high regards for that magazine. I mean, it's a great fucking magazine. They published great fucking stories.

But I didn't feel comfortable. After that, I was like, nah. They also have another huge story of mine that has been sitting there for a year. And it's a huge, also exclusive shit. And this was an assignment they did to me in February. And it's almost a fucking year. And I haven't heard back.

Not even about a kill fee. Not even about edits. Nothing. They just let my stories sit there. and they stopped answering. They did a couple of, like three months ago, they did reach the back. No, when I reached with that story, with that pitch,

I also asked for that other story. Like, hey, but what happened with that other story? You were sitting on it. And they're like, no, no, we're going to actually pay you better because this is going to be on the print news, in the print magazines. We're trying to find the right moment to publish it. But it's like, yeah, dude, for a freelancer

to sit on a fucking story for a year. And then you get paid 30 days net later, after publishing it, you can kill journalists like that. This is the problem with these legacy media outlets and these big publications. This is the reason for the uprise of independent journalism. That's why people like you, everyone that's watching needs to go to Luis's channel, subscribe. You have substack. You have a YouTube channel.

What else do you have? And my Instagram, which is the part of the Instagram. Do you have Patreon or anything? No, I don't. I'm trying to keep everything on. on YouTube and Substack. YouTube and Substack. And it'll obviously be linked below.

Yeah, dude. So, yeah, I was really tough point because that can kill a fucking career. And I was like, dude, why do I feel kind of like mis-treated by a magazine with these information, with these fucking story

I have in my hands, right? I shouldn't feel like that. So I decided just to move it and to pitch it to the guys who I work more regularly for. I actually have a retainer with them with Vice News. Oh, yeah.

So I posted to my store to my editor or, but at the moment, Vice was going through the whole bankruptcy thing. So they didn't have the capability to move it into. I was like, these guys are not. When did they go bankrupt? On January this year. Really? Can you find that, Steve? I didn't even hear about this.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's when the whole conversation started. But then probably like three, four months ago, five months ago, they publicly went bankrupt. So it was, oh, in May. May 15th, 2020, Vice Media Group filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the Southern District of Texas. The company's bankruptcy cases are jointly administered at, whoa. Dude, they've been, they've been.

I remember like fucking eight years ago, seven years ago, you would see articles coming out every month about how Vice is worth upwards of a $2 billion. dollars. What does that say? Consortium led by Fortress Investment Group for $350 million. Oh, Vice agreed to be acquired by. According to Vice, the bankruptcy process will strengthen the company in position for... It was basically acquired by the main landers, right? They were the main investors, so they basically just own the company.

They own it now, yeah. Because Rupert Murdoch and Disney... Disney. They all had stocks. They all owned a significant portion of that. Yeah. You actually hung out with Shane Smith. Yeah, dude.

I started writing for Vice News as a freelance 10 years ago. So, I mean, I meant, I meant. That's when it was really Vice. Dude, yes. I mean, when he started, dude, it was wild. It was, they were, there were great packaging shit and doing stories that you can't publish anywhere. so they were good but they lacked the proper

journalistic ethics and yeah the proper journalistic view of it like what is news and what is just not news and how to handle a news story right ethically how to handle ethically

and professionally in the beginning it wasn't news though it was just like they would go into fucking war zones or go into some crazy fucking place and just turn their cameras on and start fucking talking to people. And then they'd come up,

you know, like heavy metal in Baghdad. The fucking documentary is insane. And, and, um, chirac, the noisy thing where they, or, where they're in Chicago and they're fucking in the inner cities of Chicago like with all the musicians and shit.

Like, it's fucking insane what they would do. That was the great fucking thing about Vice. That was news. Because there was like, on the reported stories, right? And there were, they had, We had meetings before reporting on all that shit.

Like it was, it was, like, there was an editorial thing behind it. But there were not, like, proper editors and shit back then. When they, when they come out with Vice News, they hired, for one I think, it's the best of the best of the best in the fucking industry, right? The best fucking editors, the best fucking directors, a lot of, like, great, great fucking journalists, video journalists. And, you know, like, they had, like, a great fucking team where they put together. Vice News. Still to this day, dude, like, I mean, they've been letting go hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of journalists in Vice News, sadly. Great people. Like, like, my good friend, Keegan Hamilton, he's fucking a badass man. David Noriega, dude, covering Latin America,

who's like great. Emily Green, she's, like, the top fucking reporter when it comes to immigration stories. Solid fucking people. So they're letting everyone go, right? And don't get me wrong, I mean, Vice still has like some, like, of the great fucking editors and editorial directors within Vice, that they're like holding positions even through the whole fucking mess right now. So when I, when I pitched this story, Vice was going through the whole thing, right? So it was hard to think that they will have the mind to take and properly wrap this story, right? I was like, I don't know, dude, like, I'm not going to pitch this story and I'm going to see this forever, or I'm going to pitch this story, and then they're going to fucking kick me in the ass because they're bankrupt right now. And I'm not going to even get paid. I'm just going to get fired.

And then I'm going to feel like shit afterwards. They're really honest people, and I really appreciate that about vice, at least on my editorial team, like my editors and shit. So I spoke to my editor, Deb Ropanello about this. And she's like, dude, I mean, we will love to have your story. And we're probably going to try to make it work and look good. But it's your call, right? So I understand what you're coming from and how you feel about vice right now. So it's your call.

I decided to make a statement and say, call Greel and say like, hey, dude, why don't we fucking join forces and publish these on our own, on one fucking thing on your soft tech account link to my soft tech account and we'll do an interview like you interview me on my YouTube channel about like the behind

the scenes of the whole fucking thing of Damaso's story right and of course it was like extremely like cool with this like fuck yes dude I'm going to treat this with respect and shit let's see if we make money out of it I did I mean of course nothing

nothing huge but is it comparable to what you would have got paid by rolling stone or vice or it really depends on the story but let's say the range for a simple 600 word tapping story right like one of these stories you can tap within an hour you make a couple of calls 600 words I'll get between 600 and 800 bucks per one of these stories right if it's a more complex complicated, whatever, you can get $2,500, probably not more than that. It's hard to make more than that, right?

So it's kind of shitty, you know. It's really shitty, actually. So, yeah, basically what I did is like, okay, so I ask, you want to, like, can we get something, can I get something similar to this, the closest to what I get paid by the industry right now? If we go there, they're like, I'm definitely going to try,

We're going to put half of the fucking store in the paywall and let's fucking give it a shot. I did that, but I also said like, you know what? This story needs to be written in Spanish for a Spanish publication that was my home back then, which is the main or major investigative magazine, journalism magazine in Mexico, which is Proceso. The director and founder of Proceso is the only interview

of Mario Zambada has given to someone. He died. Julio Shetter, we founded this magazine with that kind of like strong fucking critical reporting, right? And trusted enough by subcommandante Marcos, presidents, and the Mayo Zambada to give interviews exclusively to Proceso. The story broke in 2013 about the CIA being involved was my first cover on that magazine, right?

It was the cover of that magazine. So they invited me to collaborate a lot with Procese. magazine back then when I was when I was like 10 years ago probably 15 years ago so I was like fuck it you know what I love that those dudes they're having a bad time they're fighting everyone they're losing money by the minute they're about to implode so probably this is going to be my last chance to feel again that I'm contributing to that fucking magazine you know so I call the editor he was super fucking excited he was like no fuck dude I bet wait do you have proof of it I was like I have the audios I have photos have exclusive photos I have photo with him

And he was like, sadly, dude, I don't think we have the money to pay you for something like this. We're going through shitty fucking years right now. We're actually about to close the print magazine. And I was like, how much do you pay? And he's like, we can probably, that's probably pay a thousand bucks. Let's fucking do it. Send me the money. Send me a wife.

And I'll see the story. and he's like fuck yes let's do it and they treat the story with a lot of respect as well as guerrillo

with grillo with grillo with English and in Spanish what with processor right gorilla treated the story with the utmost respect you know he really packaged it well

he served as my editor for this one so it was great working with grillo and I was like dude we might be up to something here like we

breaking exclusives in English and in Spanish as well. Exclusive photos, exclusive footage, and then wrapping it with social, you know,

with a YouTube interview behind the scenes, not going to shit. So that's kind of like what we're trying to do right now. And, um,

and after what got published, first, the first thing is, um, I got a call by Damaso's people. That was, dude,

that's just cool stuff. Are you advertising this shit? Yeah, Yeah, we do it on the podcast. I get everyone to do it. It's like, it's like become a gag now. Oh, shit, dude. Every time.

So I get a call by his people telling me that. By whose people? By Damasos, the elite people. Okay. Saying like, hey, dude, so we might have a problem here. Damazzo was not allowed to talk to the press, right? And he might get deported because of this interview. And I was like, dude, but this is probably something you knew, right?

And he's like, no, all good. I'm just letting you know what's it. This is after the article's out. After the article's out. Because he wouldn't hear. I think probably Damaso kind of like knew that he was going to go big. But he probably didn't know that it was going to be that big, right? Right.

Because, of course, it made the Mexican government to push back again for his extradition back to Mexico, right? aka the cartel exactly I left a lot of the interview out a lot of the things he set out everything I couldn't get

approved off and that wasn't first things he actually lived through I left it out he talked a lot of shit about Los Chapitos a lot of like

shit about El Chapo personal shit really crazy stuff but I again I'm not in the middle of that war that's not my war to fight right

Why would I publish shit like that that it's unproved, right? So I left all that out on purpose, and I made a disclaimer about the Javier Paltese version, right? I published the version that his colleagues and family members said. His colleagues and family members, his wife and kids, they are sure it was him, right? So I published that thing. I published like, okay, so his family. There sure it was Melileague, right? And the authorities, whatever.

Although he says this. I, yeah, anyways. So that was that. And then after that, Los Chapitos through one of their cousin, just another wild fucking story, reached out to me. by another Guzman, a man who, I can't say his name right now, probably in the future,

but he's supposed to be dead. He was, they allegedly killed him. He made the news. Like, they killed him. They killed this guy. And he's like, nope, I'm actually alive. I mean, I'm injured, right? But I'm alive. And I was like, dude, I mean, again, the vetting process, like, turn on your camera, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You did all this with him? All this with him. And he was a, he was a Guzman. Yeah, he's the cousin of Los Chapitos. Wow. And he's like, The first thing he told me was this. He's like, and I'm going to lay down in Spanish and then I'm going to translate. Okay.

So like, compa, I know that all of us have a price. What is the suyo for entregal me to give me a rat? It's like, dude, I know every one of us has a price. What's your price to let me know the whereabouts of that fucking rat? Right. They wanted to find Damazzo. Dude, I saw that fucking message for days. Just, it was a message request.

I didn't open that. So I was just like, shit, what do I do? What do I do? Is it real? It's not real? Is this a threat? Or is this just like a friendly? How do you answer this fucking message?

If I answer, I might be untongled in something I don't want to be in the middle of. even if I had the location of that muscle, I'm not sure I want to share that shit, right? But I don't want to get killed for it also, you know? The thing is, I don't have it. So what, I mean, if I say I don't have, they're not going to believe me, right? Because they might think, of course, you fucking have it.

But I don't. Right. So I was like, and so I sat on it for days. I had to go to Mexico to give a conference. about what we face as journalists, right? I'm trying to do more of that, more like public speaking for college. This was for a group of attorneys from Canada

that they were trying to find inspiration into how can they keep being working in a world where there is a cancel, like strong cancel culture, right? Without being afraid of speaking, of using their right to free speech, right? So I was like, dude, if I get threats, if my life has been threatened several fucking times,

you can do this too. You're only facing consolation. You're not facing, you know, death threats. So that's basically the whole thing I do when I go and say, like, talk public speaking. And then I went, they had a dinner, but I didn't feel like going into a dinner. I was like, no, I need to go back to my room

and think and sit about, like, what I'm going to answer? To this DM that you haven't even opened. Yeah, exactly. So I opened it and I replied with a lot of respect. This was after, of course, like, betting this guy, right? Like, I asked him, like, to move to a... Oh, so you... So I opened the...

So he sent me this message saying, like, hey, Luis, I'm this and that. So I'm like, okay. Ah, okay, got it. Send him my secured app. Mm-hmm. And then he moved there. and then he sent that message. But it was a message request.

So I was just, okay, shit. If this is real, I might be into something, in the middle of something that I don't want to be. Anyways, at the end, I just replied, you know what, man, like, I'm going to give you the respect I give to everyone. I'm going to be honest with you. If I were to do my job for money,

I will have, I'm doing a shitty job, right? Because I'm not doing it for money. I'm a broadcast journalist trying to make a living, enjoying what I do because I enjoy doing what I do. Thanks for your offering. Even if I had his location, I probably wouldn't share it. And I hope you understand it, right?

But I understand that every story has two versions. If you and your family have a different version, my ears are absolutely open to actually hear you and tell your side of the story and that's it and he was really respectful he was like dude

I just wanted to let you know that that fucking rat is a murderer as well and you're not dealing with a good man as he's trying to clean up his name whatever and I'm like I completely understand what you say I'm not trying to clean up his name so whenever you feel good to talk about it and me doing an interview with you

your story and your side of things, of your family, whatever. If Ivan or Alfredo want to talk, I'm all ears. And he's like, okay, let me get back to you on that. And thanks for your, for your honesty.

And wow. That was it. And that's where I got my Rolex and my Bentley outside. I fucking knew it. Yeah, this is rolling on a fucking medley. That's why I had to pick

at the private airport. Yeah, exactly. I'm not, the fucking Tampa International. You're not fucking flying in a night

anymore, dude. You're something. Fishy, man. Good Lord. Yeah. How much money do you think they have? I mean,

they do have more than enough money, you know? They have billions of dollars? Yeah, yeah, easily, dude. Like,

I mean, if you think about the fact is that they're laundering money through major, major, uh,

artists in the U.S., you know that they have a lot of money. What do you mean laundering money through major artists? Through events. I mean, I can say, because I'm not the type that says just things out of saying, I'm working on something. Okay. But they launder money.

They launder money through major artists. Like musical artists? Musical artists? Um, um, sports band, you know, they do have a whole wagon machinery on laundering money. And we're talking millions and millions. of dollars of money. Oh, so they're acting like record labels.

And basically, I'm guessing, this is how they could do it. But they could act like a record label and they could give a musician or a singer a ton of money in advance to produce a record and pay for their tour, pay for everything, events, marketing, all this stuff. You could dump millions of dollars into that to build up an artist. And free cocaine. and free Coke and free Coke yeah best quality

whoa that's a great fucking way to launder money yeah dude and that's just part of it so yeah I mean when you

when you think about that like it's okay so it's millions of fucking dollars it's not like you put a hundred thousand dollars to produce

something like that right so yeah that was that the conversation ended right there and I'm still you know

trying to see if there's something something else to be like hopefully a good interview I haven't heard of them because after that a lot of shit happened, right? Like they exorited a video.

Yeah. So last time you were here, we basically, I think it was right after you went and went through a video's house after it was raided by the military, I believe. And it was all shot up, looted. They stole all his watches, all of his clothing and everything. And it was insane. And he had still been in custody by the Mexican government when you were in. in his house. Yes.

But since then, I don't know how long ago it was, a couple months ago, he got extradited. Exotided, yes, extra-dited, yes. I mean, it was due, right? And you met with his lawyer that day. You were at his house, right? Yes, yes, yes. I met with two of his attorneys and his mom. They were pretty pissed, right, about journalists being there trying to go into that house.

But anyways, I think I faced a lot of, like, backlash, a lot of, like, shitty comments on that video I have on YouTube from a lot of like fanboys, right? That they feel they are part of whatever and they're just the fucking fanboys of So Filchapo and say like, oh, that was disrespectful. I hope you get fucking pop for doing that. If you come into my house like that,

I will definitely kill you, whatever. And he's like, dude, this is a house of a criminal that was doing a lot of crazy fucking shit but he's behind bars. And this is, on my point of view, of public interest of what happened. not only for the sake of what happened to that town, but probably for the sake of also

what did the military did during that operation that was illegal. Yeah, they fucking looted this house. So it's like, dude, I'm pretty sure that you fucking fanboys are the most upset about this. And probably the family was like, okay, this is proven off as well that they fucking looted the fucking house

and they shot a place where there were kids inside. Right. It's about the truth. I'm not siding with the Mexican military. I'm not citing with a criminal. They pulled up in fucking hummers and shit, shot up a whole town, killed innocent people. Exactly, dude.

I mean, wrongdoing by the Mexican government, wrongdoing by these cartel members. In the fucking middle, it's a town of innocent people, old man and two kids that are daughters of a criminal, but they didn't will. willingly, you know, we're there, right? They could probably be killed. They could have been way more surgical.

Right. And doing that. Now, again, this is a criminal, and that's the way he makes his money to buy these cars, Rolex watches, whatever. That gives no reason for an authority to go and fucking loot his house and stole everything, steal everything, right? It's wrongdoing all over. It's wrongdoing all over.

And that's my main fucking goal. on what I do. People say like, okay, you're siding with Mexican government. And then people say, okay, you're siding with fucking cartels. And when I have like sources on both sides of the spectrum, sometimes I get reached by

elite fucking Mexican military, you know, that are my sources. And I'm like, dude, why are you siding with this fucking shit, shit people? What do you mean? Your fucking story, man, is making us look ugly. It's making us look like we don't have

enough, you know, power or brains to do an operation. So you were siding with these fucking rant. And I'm like, dude, no, don't get me wrong. What your colleagues did was also wrong. And then I get calls by these guys saying like, hey, dude, why the fuck would you do that? Like, are you, I mean, I know you work for the Mexican government or the U.S. government and you were siding with them because that's what a journalist does. And I'm like, fuck, no, dude.

I'm not siding with anyone. Who is saying this? Cartel people, you know, some of my sources in Sinaloa. You have people like high up Mexican military? reaching out to you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have really strong sources also on the Mexican military.

Really? How high are we talking? How high up? High up enough to let me know several hours before Ovidia was exoridated, that he was going to be extradited. Whoa. And that was secret even for them.

But because they were there, they just didn't tell them that it was Obedo, right? They tell them, hey, we're going to extradite a person. I need to you guys to show up this prison, blah, blah, blah, take out this guy, boom, take him out within an hour. They went and they were like, oh shit,

the guy they're going to fucking exudite is Ovidio Guzman. And one of them is my source, right? One of these, several of these guys are my sources. And so they, I heard rumors. I heard rumors that there was movement from lower tier people in the military. It was like, hey, there is an unusual movement on this prison. They're taking out someone. And I was like, hmm, let me ask these other guys who are higher up.

Hey, dude, I'm hearing of movement on this prison. Do you know anything that's happening? It's like, dude, yes. Let me reach back to you in an hour. Okay, boom. They reach back. So I like, okay, now that this person is in the air heading towards the U.S., I can tell you, it's Obidiwizman.

So boom, I tweeted it first. Like, boom, Obitigir was man again. And exudited it. Those hours before it was like making headlines or whatever. And then when he arrived in the U.S., I also have good sourcing in the U.S. on law enforcement, and they sent me the first picture of a video with the orange jumpsuit, right? A DA, a former DEA agent published on his Twitter,

the photo of a video sitting on the jet on his way to the U.S. And then a couple of hours later, these other sources I have in the U.S., he sent me the photo of a video, his mugshot, basically, right? he leaked his orange jumpsuit. You have it on the, you have the photos I send you. Oh,

Stephen has it. On his orange jumpsuit, that one. Yes. I had to put a warm mark because he went huge on Twitter.

Look at the jaw on that guy. Yeah, dude. The crimson chin. Look at his size, dude. I don't know if he's, there's a lot of people saying like he wasn't scared. It's probably just dealing with drugs or whatever.

He looks high on Coke. I mean, he, He is on anxiety medication, so I don't know what that is. He is? Depression and anxiety. He's getting medicated for that. Oh, wow.

Where is he in the U.S.? Chicago, Chicago, UMC, one of the worst, not because of the Thai, Thai security, whatever, but because of the treatment they get. He is on the 11th floor all by himself, and the water either comes out freezing cold in Chicago during winter or hot enough to burn, to burn your skin. and he doesn't have any yeah like sometime no windows it's a shitty fucking place

it's a shitty fucking place so did you get the story from his lawyer on how they got to extradite him like did was was there any pushback from the Mexican government side to the U.S. State Department on the extradition

or was this in what was the U.S. and the Mexico and the Mexico and the Mexican government working together to get him extradited, basically just fighting the lawyer. Yeah, exactly. The attorneys had set a bunch of what we call in Mexico, umpados, right? Like legal resources to stop his extradition.

One after another, after another, after another. So legally, lawfully, both governments will have to go and dismiss one by one of these legal resources, right? It will take years, years, years, years, years. And still, he will have a lot of other resources to stay in Mexico. Both governments basically said, fuck the law, let's get this fucker out of it. And they didn't, again, I'm not siding with anyone. This is just the way things are.

The Mexican, U.S. governments broke the law in order to extradite. He was illegally, unlawfully extradited to the U.S. he had resources and not resources in place to stay in Mexico to avoid extradition. You can't expedite an extradition of a Mexican like that especially when you have

a lot of legal resources in place. The thing is the U.S. legal whatever agencies are pretty smart. So right now, even Ivan Archivaldo, he's not arrested, but he has an extradition order in place. Right? Who?

The oldest of the Chapitos, Ivan Archivaldo, Guzman. He has an extradition order, even though he's not arrested. But that extradition order is in place in the U.S. So when he gets arrested, that order enters before he can set up a legal resource, right? That's what happened with Ovidio. He had an extradition order since 2019 that was still in place, just got to be renewed every, I don't know, months or years, I can't remember. but the U.S. has just to ratify, right, like renew the extradition request.

Boom, boom, boom. So when he gets arrested, even if he starts a legal resource, they're like, hey, I have a legal resource. Yeah, but the extradition is prior to that legal resource. He should still have a lot of, like, other legal resources like he had. One of his legal resources was saying that that wasn't him. One of his legal resources, he stood up before a judge in Mexico, a federal judge, to say. Ovidio? Yes.

They ask him directly. Are you Ovidio Guzman? Yes. Are you Ovidio, Guzman Lopez? Yes. Are you the person on this photo? No. Are you the person of that this address?

No. Are you the son of Joaquin Guzman Loeera? No. So you're not Ovidio, yes. It was legal resource to say like, yes, I am Ovidio Guzman Lopez. Yeah. I have no clue who Guzman is. Joaquin El Chapo, Guzman.

clue who that is. And I'm not the person you're looking for, right? That was a legal resource. What is the governments, does the government, does the U.S. have a plan in place for all these extra, why do they want to extradite these people to the U.S.? And why aren't they happy with them just sitting in prison in Mexico? I think because, first of all, the, um, the alleged damage they've done to the U.S. by trafficking drugs and that the target.

country was the U.S. It was harmful for the U.S., right? Mexico is just a transition country when it comes to drug trafficking charges, right? So that is why most of them are extradited into the U.S. If the traffic or the crimes will be the other way around, they will have to be in Mexico first. For starters, right?

For starters, the crime is committed against the U.S. Because the drugs are being trafficking to the U.S. not traffic into Mexico. Second of all, the fact that the Mexican authorities didn't have any charges against most of them.

They don't hold charges against many of these guys because they haven't set up a proper paperwork, a proper investigation by Mexican prosecutors makes them basically to say,

well, we don't have charges in Mexico. We only have an extradition order to face justice in the U.S. But like, or other friend of Plaga, he had no charges in Mexico. El Nini had no charges in Mexico. All these charges are in the U.S. But when you look for his criminal charges in Mexico, there's none, not a single one.

That's fucking wild. Where is El Nini right now? He is in Mexico City, sitting in a prison. Does he have an extradition? He has an extradition order. Yes. He's definitely, most definitely is going to be extradition. that as well pretty soon.

Dude, it's just so, it's so bizarre. You know, it's even just looking at the war on drugs and what the plan was there. Like, extraditing these people that's crazy, they don't understand what's going to happen when they get extradited. I mean, do, or do they, do they see that, look, these cartels are just going to be broken down into smaller factions and become more violent. Yeah, exactly. Like, let's think about, like, let's talk about, like, the senior low-out cartel, right?

Like, let's say they nav all of the chapitos. They dismember the whole, the whole faction. It becomes a power vacuum. There's power vacuum. And not only that, who's going to be the next one up? Right. Who's going to be the next target? Right.

It's immediately and automatically El Mayo, right? He's the only one left on that faction, on the Sinaloa Cartel. And he's the one that nobody talks about. He's never been arrested. He's about 80 years old now. diabetic, and he's out there. All of his sons, but one, have been arrested in the U.S. All of them except one?

How many sons? I think four. El Magito Gordo, Serafin, and Vicentillo, three. He has four. Three of them. I've been arrested and free now, free man in the U.S. And so the one son that is still living in Mexico is

running the organization. El Mayito Flaco. A maito flaco. He's the only one. He's the only one still in the loose. Shadowware of his dad. There's only probably two available photos of him. No, it's actually one and very old photo of him that was published by the DA on his warrant.

No one knows where he is. I mean, but he's basically, he's handling the operation with his dad. And didn't you break that story? story about him getting into how he got into the Sinaloa cartel with he was friends with somebody in the CIA or something or he he got married to a girl whose brother was in the CIA. Oh yeah. I did a I did a story that is from my YouTube channel explaining the probable possible connection with El Mayo Sambaada of the CIA. Yeah. His oldest sister got married to this guy called I should have forgot his name but he's a Cuban

and he started doing intelligence for the CIA during the Cuban Revolution so he got papers to be legally in the U.S. And when he traveled to the U.S. he started trafficking shit tons of drugs

through Florida actually and then he moved to Las Vegas where he became even a bigger trafficker there and then he got arrested twice for drugs trafficking trafficking because he was being just too flashy in Las Vegas, right? And then he moved to LA. And in L.A., he was like looking for a new source, someone who can source him first weed and then cocaine.

So he traveled to Sinaloa to meet with people sourcing, like say, okay, I want to find who could sort, help me outsource drugs to the U.S. And in the meantime, he met Modesta Zambada, the oldest sister of El Mayo, And who I think, in my opinion, if you ask me, she's the real, real deal behind this in a carterl. She's the real one behind the organization. And no one talks about her. Because he's a lady. And Mexico is so machista, dude.

Mexico's like, no, there's no fucking way LA is going to be behind a foote cartel. Dude, she's the oldest. She's the one who met this trafficker with ties to the CIA first. El Maggio was like, what, 11, 12 years old? So we're going to believe that a 12-year-old kid started this emporium, she started it, dude, along with this guy. And then they brought El Mayo. And then El Mayo brought his brother, El Reza, who's free also right now. He was also arrested, extradited, and he's a free man. He's now a corrido singer in the streets of LA.

All of the Zambadas do it. But El Mayo Modesta and the Magito Flaco, all of them are free men, have been arrested, complied, cooperated, and are free. in the U.S. Didn't The Sun write some crazy fucking book? Yes. You were telling me about it last time you were here

it was like at the cover of it it's like wow. Yeah, it is a book written by journalist Annabelle Hernandez and it's called The Traidor, the traitor.

The traitor. And it's an autobiography like saying, laying out his whole fucking story of Vicente Zambada. Niebla. I showed you photos of his arrest. It's like this handsome, you know, and I'll next, I'll next publish a couple of exclusive photos of Vicente that I caught.

Now, so El Nini is arrested. He's in Mexico City. And what about El Plaga? And El Plaga. Well, Plaga is... And for people who don't know who El Plaga is. Yeah. So El Plaga is basically, he's not a head of the cartel.

He's a henchman. He's basically the equivalent of El Nini for a former Sinaloa cartel faction called Los Rusos, the Russians. The Russians. And El Nini was basically in charge of the Sikarios, right? Yeah, yeah. He was in charge of the killers of the henchmen.

Exactly. The whole security for Lachapitos, right? He was the security hat for Lachapitos. And the Plaga is the security hat for Los Rusos. Right. Los Rusos used to work for El Mario Zambada, and not long ago, they were, the most loyal people for

Amayo because El Rousseau is a dude that has been out for a while. Since he was like 17, he's a fucking murderer and he knows how to traffic drugs, how to move around. So

El Mayo trusted him a lot. Trust El Rousseau a lot. Short story long, I mean, long story short, long story short, long story short, the ruso got into an argument with Los Chapitos everybody fucking hate

those Chapitos too like every other single faction they hate on them why do you think that is probably because they're the inerritants of El Chapo

and they're young cocky motherfuckers yeah I mean yeah it's probably part of that you know rich kids so this guy started fighting

with Los Chapitos Mayo gets in the middle and say like hey dude this is not good for anyone of us so he has asks El Russo to go to the border of Mexico, the U.S., to Mexicali, right, right across Calaxico,

California. He's like, okay, that's going to be your turf. That's been a turf of mine forever. That's going to be your turf. Get there. Get your men over there. Don't come back to Sinaloa so we can avoid, you know, infighting. So he did, he left.

He promised El Rousseau that he's going to take care of his properties, of his ranch, his houses, all that stuff. So the Chapitos are not going to touch your shit, right? because we're good now. So he's like, okay. And then two years after, a year after, L'Chapido's one of his ranch and started burning his properties, taking his cars, whatever.

So El Rousseau is like, no, you want to fuck it. I'm going to go back down there. And they started this massive fighting that was all over the news. It lasted like, they kept fighting for over like three weeks, massive shootouts, a lot of killings. Even the Mexican Marine was involved. Allegedly, per what the Plaga told me, the Mexican Marine was operating on.

on behalf of those chapitos. That's what he says. And so El Mayo kind of like got angry at El Russo and said like, dude, I ask you to never come back, especially not to fight. He's like, yeah, but you made me a promise and you couldn't comply. So fuck it, I'm not going to leave my fucking ranch and properties to be taken over these guys by these guys. So Amayo decided to not back him up anymore. So it's like, okay, I'm not going to fight against you, but I'm not going to back you up anymore. So we don't work together.

that happened probably last year so he became an independent former's in a law cartel and they operate hugely in Mexicalis and Louis Rio Colorado across California, part of Arizona

and and yeah and and then Elpaga reached out I had reached out he reached out the thing is El Plaga has a huge

following on Instagram he has this massive account where he posts a lot of Like his Rolex watches. Do you know his username? We could pull it up. I don't want to, I don't want to publicize his, you know,

because I mean. You don't want to give him any a clout? Yeah, exactly. They all are all up for it, right? They love this. They love it. They will fucking love it. And I'm not going to give it out to them.

So anyways, he has this huge following on Instagram. He posts his luxury cars, watches, trangling guns. He even posted another narco monkey, you know, he had. Oh, no.

With a scar. car and I'm on top of it. So like, oh yeah, I saw a photo. I saw that photo in the article in the article, right? Yeah, yeah. So I reached out like two years ago to him to see if he wanted to give me an interview because I was about to go to Mexicalia

in all the area. He never applied. And then probably a month after the interview with Damaso came out, he reached out. And he's like, hey, do what's up? And I'm like, boom again, secure app. reach out to me on this one. So he reached out,

bedded him, he had some camera, asking for his ID, show his ID, he was driving a pickup truck and he kind of like stops in the middle of the night. How old is this guy?

Dude, he's like 24, 26, like he's young man and he's the head of a huge army. So we talked about a lot of, like, le Chapitos. He asked me like, hey, dude,

did you really meet with Amazon? And I was like, yeah, dude, yeah, yeah. And he's like, well I don't like those kind of guys but an enemy of my enemy is my friend so like okay it's like can I get a hold of him like dude I don't have any contact him way to contact him he contacted me

and then lost connection with him right he be I don't have any means to get back to him right um so he's like oh okay dude so all I'll good so what's up and I'm like dude can you give me a proper interview like no let's do it in person I want to to, I wanted to be in person, but it's like, dude, I can't promise you that I'm going to be around because my boss, he calls El Jafere, the Russo, he moves me around a lot. So I can't promise you that, that I can be, you know, I was like, okay, so let's do a video call, an interview, and if eventually you have the time, I'll travel and meet you in person. by any means

so he laid out all this story about the fight in fighting between those chapitos and the Russo he told me about he was two years ago he was arrested because he got into a gunfight with Mexican state police officers and they killed one of his henchmen when it was his right

hand El Tio or something like that they killed him and they arrested him and there's this mugshot that you have also on the files where he's where he's uh that's his Mexican mugshot and he's he's all beaten up with a with a with a you can see that's elplaga yeah that's el paga

look at that haircut yeah dude the car can you punch in on that a little bit Steve and you have his mouth all oh shit he got beat up huh really beat up dude and his nose all broke look at that louis baton jacket he was uh he told me that they were partying at a club in mehicali and then they they went out of the club like at seven in the morning they were driving back to his whatever, and they got stopped by state police officers. And he's like, his friend was like,

don't fucking stop, dude, fuck him. He's like, no, dude, I don't want to start anything. I mean, but he's like, but why are they stopping us

if they know who you are who we work for? And it's like, I don't know, let's just stop and see what's up. Yeah. So he's like, when I pull over,

this guy, El Tio, whatever, jumps out of the vehicle with his fucking gun and starts shooting at the police. And then these guys start shooting as well. And there's a couple of killings. Uh, and then they killed Al Thiel. He tried to run,

got arrested, got beat up. And allegedly, he was moved to a maximum scary prison and whatever. But when he called me, I was like, dude, aren't you supposed to be behind bars? I was like, dude, I was free to the three days after. Like, the F.R. negotiated for me and they let me out. And I'm like, dude, are you fucking sure? or yeah, 100% whatever. I bet at that info also through other sources and other means. And he was fucking out. He was out.

And I was like, okay, so these guys really out. So when I published this story, I faced hard pushback by Mexican government saying, no, he is behind bars. The chief of police of Bahag, California, she told me, like, I personally put him on a plane and send him out to... She told you this? I put him out to Waxaca. So he's behind bars. I know for sure. And I'm like, well, check again because he's out.

I just FaceTime him. He's driving his truck down the street. I don't know who you talk to, but he's behind bars. That's for sure. So then he had to show up for a hearing. He didn't show up. And the federal church declared non-present. They couldn't find him.

And I was like, of course, they couldn't fucking find him because he's out. Right. That's proof that he's out. And they're like, no. And then they put out a presser saying that my story was bullshit. And then they were, they were going to publish his photo behind bars. So don't we have him? And we're going to publish his photo.

Did they publish it? Of course not, did it? They haven't said anything after that. They just didn't want to be, you know, left like fucking idiots. So he's just like, uh, caro Quintero. Yeah. After he got arrested. He's like, you fuckers, I'll be fucking out of here in 24 hours.

And he's out. He's out, dude. And there is a search, a search website where you can, search for people arrested. So when you look for El Nini, it says where he was arrested by who at what time and who is responsible for his arrest, whatever, and where it is here right now. Right. Obedo as well. For this guy, it only says, arrested, no time, no place, no agency responsible for his arrest, nowhere to be found. It's not in the system. Why do you think he was able to get out,

but not El Nini? Aren't they kind of like the same, don't they have the same kind of power? In their organization, they have the kind of like same power, but their organizations are definitely not at the same level. No. The Chapitos faction, I mean, Los Ros are by far not even close to what Los Chapitos are right now. Right. So you would think El Nini would be able to get out easier than him, right? Not really.

Because when you are requested, when you are looked after the U.S. government, especially for those charges. I see what you're saying, right. It's too hot. Yeah. They arrested another. They don't have as much heat on them as, Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, dude, that was, that was another cool interview published again with Guerrillo, with E.O.N. Grillo. It's crazy the mindset of kids like this, this 24-year-old kid.

And he thinks it's cool to be called the plague. Dude, yes. I mean, this is the thing. On the interview, I asked him, like, why did they call you, why do they call you the plague? La Plaga. And he's like, because I leave no one alive. like a plague. I kill everyone.

When I go into fight, there's no one left alive. And that's why I got the trust of my F.R. Because he knows that I don't back up and I kill. And I'm, yeah. So I was like, shit, dude. And I was like, what made you interested in this shit? And he's like, the narco-corridos, too,

like there's Mexican corridos. This is like, when I was growing up, there was this group. the most elite cicario group for El Mayo Zambada, Los Antrax.

Los Antrax. Los anthrax. Like the anthrax? They were huge, dude. I mean, El Chino Antrax has this miracle story

because he was arrested in Netherlands when he was arrested for being part of the anthrax, right? He was putting jail in the U.S., before that

he was one of the first cicarios that was super flashy and huge on socials, right? post watches, Lambeaus, whatever. He even posted a photo

with Paris Hilton. There is a photo of Paris Hilton with the Chino anthrax, dude. The Hell of Cicados for the Mayo Zambada. Like, he was huge. And he was arrested.

He started cooperating. He was in a halfway house and then he banished. And then his body appeared into, like shop into pieces in Sierra Laua. Some say he was kidnapped by the same organization.

Some others say he escaped went back Hell Mario said like now you're a snitch cut him into pieces so that was the story of so so

these anthrax group because they were fucking elite and flashy as fuck a lot of people started like making corridos about them so El Plaga

got enticed by the corridos he was like do I want to be an anthrax so he met someone in Tijuana because this guy's from Tijuana he met someone

in Tijuana that had connections in Naloa he went to travel to Sinaloa introduced himself to these guys to one of these

Sinolawa Cartel members. That's where he met El Nini. They were friends before because they were starting together trying to

be henchman, you know? Oh, wow. And this guy, he's another like big player in the synagogue

told him like, you know what? You're not going to make a lot of money with the anthrax. I mean, they have respect. They don't make a lot

money. You're from Tijuana dude. I know a couple of guys that work for us in Tijuana. La Rana and a

Aalis, two brothers, working for El Mayo Sambana right there. Go out with them, work for them. And that's where you're going to make money. And he's like, fuck, yes. He introduced me to those guys. I stayed loyal to them. And I started making shit tons of fucking money by helping trafficking drugs

and being part of their security team. Started growing up. El Nini started growing up with the chapitos. And then he went to work for El Rousseau, right? Because El Rousseau called for backup to Achilles and La Rana. They're like, hey, I'm going to go fight. back my turf in Sinaloa. He went with them.

El Rousseau is like, hey, come work with me. And then Nini and him started like fighting. So like this culture of these corillo, like these corios, they're basically like songs, right? They're like famous songs about

legendary drug traffickers. Yeah. Dead or alive, right? So like there's this culture of the allure, the allure of being this big cartel member or this person with power. in Mexico driving these big lifted trucks driving lambos having guns and they market it almost to the

youth of Mexico the really young kids is like wow look at these people they have this power they have these great cars and then the barrier to entry is like you have to become a killer like you have a young 12 13 14 year old like if you want to be in the cartel you have to show us that you can kill is that sort of like how they bring them in he don't want like I didn't want to like I didn't want to believe that the music has the power to bring someone to try to be part of the truck

I felt like it was almost like when the whole Columbine magically happened and everyone... They blamed it on Maryland Manson I was like dude that that's fucking dumb which it is God dude that's so ridiculous. The story of El Plaga

particular in Mexico and Narkokorillos kind of tells me otherwise right because he got enticed by the music, by the anthrax. He's like, I want to be one of those fucking guys. And he even uses a name that has to do with a viral infection, right? The anthrax and the anthrax and plague, yeah. So a lot of these kids, they work for that.

It's not even money. It's not even power. It's for, like, being famed and having their own corridos. And look at what Pezzo Pluma is doing right now. Everybody, everybody, no one really knew El Nini, right? Right. Until Pezo Pluma started singing about him. everybody wants to be alini now

if you go into my Instagram account I have a photo of his arrest and the comments it's like free alini yeah man aline is the real dude and blah blah blah and everybody's like you know super excited about that man

and they're like bouching for him yeah but like the difference between those guys and the Columbine shooters there's a stark difference these guys are trying to make a name for themselves they want fame they want money they want to like they're coming from nothing yeah exactly yeah definitely These shooters at these schools like Columbine or whatever, these guys were complete antisocial, had no friends.

Who knows what kind of, like, I don't know if they were on depressants or whatever. And these religious fanatics want to come after them, them blaming that Marilyn Manson is the Antichrist. They listen to these goth music. These guys knew they were going to die. Exactly. Yeah. It was a suicide. Absolutely.

Yeah. Not saying it was it is the same at all. It's absolutely different, different motivation. And Marilyn Manson's interview with the guy who made Colombie, the bowling for Column. by him. Michael Moore. He asked him, asked Marilyn Manson,

he goes, if you, if you could talk to these kids, if you could say one thing to these two guys who killed everybody, what would you say to him? And Marilyn Manson's response was,

I wouldn't say a word to them. He's like, I would ask them questions. Yeah. And that's what nobody did. Exactly. So basically saying like, these kids were unheard

for most part of his life. Right. They were not hurt. Yeah, they had no one to talk to. That's probably the same shit. I mean, I don't know, dude,

but probably a, a kid. Because again, these whole, whole story about these kids not having a chance and being imperverged and saying like this is the only way they cool you know that probably happened with a different generation that happened with el chapo with amayo that they grew up on extreme poverty in the woods whatever and el chapo started by killing people right he was he was originally like a fucking cicari yeah yeah but these guys these are

city kids they're not rich right they're middle class they live well they can't go to school like The Nini, El Plaga. These kids are not like, that was my only option. They actually were looking for that option. They were looking for that, right? And it's, again, it's like, why? Why? Probably because how we all put these guys on a fucking pedestal, right?

We talk about these guys, like, they're major players. We kind of, like, look up for them and say, like, oh, these guys, you know. And that is exactly why I try to interview all these people. Because I'm like, dude, I want to bring him down to humans, right? To what they face, to what they are. Because otherwise, you only listen to the Corridos about them. And what does the Corridos of El Plaga say? He's a badass killer.

He's a good man. He has a good heart, but he takes no shit. That's why he kills a lot of men. And if you cross his path, he's going to chop your fucking hand, whatever. Makes him look like this brabado, macho man that is cool and he's fine. but if you cross my way I'm not going to have mercy and it's like dude don't

these people are bad in the fucking head right they're fucking killers they don't give a shit they move fucking drugs they're doing a lot of like crimes that are affecting us all of us

and they face ugly lives they face living like rats they face living without like these dude like I ask him like why will you be open to share a lot of shit on your Instagram? And he told me like, well, I don't share the beheadings I do. I don't share like that kind of stuff that's going to get me in trouble. What I share is my luxury life, right?

My watches, whatever, because that's why I do these for it, right, for money. And if I can show it, then what's the goal? That lets you understand. He's like, okay, so these dude beheads people. He chops people's heads off. But he doesn't show that. what he shows is his luxury life and he does that

because on his head he's doing what he does for the money to show right so if he if he can't show then there is no sense in what he's doing yeah yeah it's like

it's it's making a name for themselves and like sort of symbolic immortality trying to you know they they get coritos made after them and they live on beyond like if they day tomorrow there's going to be a corillo or you know some of these graveyards that have like these crazy memorials to these guys people go there and party and it's

insane yeah dude um i mean it's it's it's wild how they how they leave and i don't know what's gonna happen with el pal guys we're gonna get behind because after the interview came out also it went huge in mexico because the mexican government actually kind of pushed back so that made this story even amplified more yeah and he closed his um instagram for a couple of of weeks or months. You recently opened it back up, but he caught all connections, you know? One of your stories that you've most recently done that terrifies me the most is the story of this Titan software.

Yes. How did you first come to learn about this software and explain what it is? Again, it was an anonymous tip first. One of a source reached out again on Instagram. They said like, hey, dude, you need to know about these software that Mexican and cartels are using. And I'm only sharing this with you because I think you are the one to publish this story, whatever, to find out more about it. And I can say a lot of stuff about this guy, so for his security, right? But basically, Titan, what this is, is a Mexican development, a software that is like a mega database for a lot of Mexican databases, right?

It gets Mexican border ID database phone companies, different mobile and land phone companies, databases, banks, most of the banks, probably all of them, credit scores, et cetera, et cetera, criminal backgrounds, and also has the capability to live track you. And it is as easy as to enter a full name or what we call in Mexico an RFC, which is your basically tax ID or a phone number. And by doing that, well, these source offered me a login to go in and try the platform. It was mind-blowing how fucking easy it is to just enter. I asked permission to a friend of mine in Mexico if I could enter his name or a phone number

to track it, right? enter his info and it gave me several sheets of personal data like his most recent calls like at least of logs and then these database makes like this call crossing to try to identify like how close the people he's talking to are to him like you can tell probably that he call his mom or he calls there are like 100 calls in the last month to this number, right? So the circle is... Who he talks to the most?

Exactly, who talks to the most and whatever. Like most recent calls, whatever. It gives you a sheet about his credit score, security background check, his license plates, the cars he owns, addresses, different addresses through the years, Mexican border ID,

license, what else? I can, It was like a bunch of like shit, dude, like his different phone numbers. And a list of the last hour location every 15 minutes, a pinpoint where every 15 minute he was for the last hour or last two hours. So you can track where he was, where he's been the last 15 per 15 minutes dropping point. Like, pap, blah, blah, about a map. And then you can access these live live. location. What this

location uses, it's a product called SS7, which is a mobile protocol used by mobile companies, mobile companies all over the world. So they can communicate between each other. Without this protocol, if I have Verizon and have

AT&T, we wouldn't be able to communicate with each other. That's why you can communicate with people in China or Mexico, whatever. But these protocols have been widely criticized for a while because of its vulnerability. It's super easy to access this product without any malware, whatever.

And Mexico, a few years back, made this anti-monopoly law that basically bans a single mobile phone company to own the whole registry or the biggest spectrum for the use of mobile technology, right? For mobile communication waves. Right. And what this does is that you and I can set up mobile company in Mexico, right? We can show up with paperwork and say, like, we want to start our own Danny Jones' mobile

phone company. It's super easy to get approved, and you will have to pay the rent for access to this protocol, right? You pay that to the biggest companies because it's cheaper than to get one of your own, right, your own protocol. It's like, no, okay. Pay for a license. Yeah, you pay for the license that AT&T is using, and you can use that for your

small company. So a lot of criminals and a lot of like these security software shady companies are accessing these SS7 protocol. And through that SS7 protocol, they can pinpoint where you're at, live without even sending you a malware, whatever. It's just legal because that's access to a protocol that every legal mobile phone company has. And that's where they're accessing your shit and live tracking you all over the world.

On my article, my story on Vice News, for legal. reason. I didn't want to face the U.S. government asking questions, whatever. It was just too messy to say that it works all over the world. So I proved that in Mexico, but I proved on my own devices in the U.S., in Texas. And it worked because it works through SS7, or it can, it also works through a different way of doing things, which is basically the GPS, which is the triangle between the nearest phone right right kind of like triangles a three point points your location

so they can take the software enter your name or your phone number or your social security number and they can pinpoint where you are anywhere in the fucking world find your credit score find your recent call list read your text messages I'm assuming I didn't access

okay no tax message no I don't I don't think so I or probably I didn't work on the on the platform enough like I just went through the because it shows it gives you a huge

document you know with a lot of different pages and a lot of like Excel's and maps and be it but but then you have to go and interpret it out what is everything right

I send you a video I think you can put up a video of like how the screener goes when how how does it looks like but dude is so fucking easy and the most terrifying thing it's like a lot of people

is going to say like well there was Pegasus, right, back then. It's known yet. Pegasus. Yeah. Developed by the Israeli cyber arms. It was a cyber arms basically weapon.

You could call it, but it was marketed by the Israelis as a tool to weed out criminals and terrorists. But obviously was not used by that. It was used by governments to weed out dissidents or journalists. So the thing is, Pegasus, look at all the information you have about Pegasus, right? Because it's available. is information easily available. Well, that's one of the sheets it sends out. Okay, so this is the information that you get.

Yeah, that's a brief. I wouldn't zoom on any info in case there is like, you know, but most of the four numbers are not working anymore, so it's all good. Okay. Yeah, that's how it looks. It gives you a lot of fucking info, dude. It gives you a lot of stuff. So now, Pagasy's the thing is it was developed by a proper known company developing software and acquired by official means by the governments, right?

It wasn't acquired under the table. It was officially acquired by governments. Yeah. Yeah, it's like 200 grand. You can pay for a license for Pegasus. The thing was, they have the zero-day exploit with that. Exactly. Like, you don't need to click on a link.

You can just basically send some, send it to somebody. automatically infects their phone. They don't need to click shit. Definitely more aggressive, definitely more access. I mean, it gives you more access to a device, right? Because you can turn on and off cameras, microphones, whatever. This shit is nothing like that. Right.

But the thing I find more dangerous about this thing is that it is not acquired officially by governments. This is highly overlooked, highly shady. The login, there is no information who's behind this shit. You don't know because it's a single developer. upper in Mexico that gets a hand of people say like okay but the Mexican Ine the Mexican border ID they have a lot of like firewalls so it so it's almost impossible to access that shit without strong malware well the thing is you don't need it because your malware is corruption right right you pay someone in to let to give you the whole access to an updated database of that

shit same with phone companies banks blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah that's how this shit is working now this is i spoke to the developer and he said my intention to this was to provide a um um a mix of governments all over the world access to track criminals but i know that it's been used by you know having a bad use whatever um and this is not acquired an official capability right it's been acquired by a single state commander that says okay the license is super cheap, it's about $100,000 bucks, give me 500 licenses. I'll pay it on my own

pocket and I'll give access to my agents, you know, so we can work this properly, this platform, but I'll sub-rent it. I'm going to rent this out to criminals as well, to people on the Cartel of Halisco, Cartel of Sinaloa, so they track rivals

or day-to-day citizens. And that's how this shit is working. That's how they find people that they want to to disappear, to kidnap, to kill. They use this kind of... And people within the Mexican law enforcement or military are knowingly licensing this software out to the cartels.

This is the biggest proof that Mexico is a fucking narco state. They're working side by side. You only have access to these kind of shit by invitation to a WhatsApp group. These WhatsApp group, admins, are either four or five different admin. It's a mix between state police commanders and cartel members, high-ranking cartel members. This is the council that will give you access to these WhatsApp group, where you have access to these technology, to signal blockers, to exotic animals, to...

A bunch of shit. Like, passport... I'll show you photos of... Like, fake U.S. passports, but they're, like... Because they're coming out of the consulate. A lot of crazy shit, dude. Like, if you need a different identity in Mexico, you can eat... easily get it easily it's it's wild it's it's fucking wild yeah that's what that dude was

telling me the guy you introduced me to um who came in here oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fernando fernando fernando puente he uh he was telling me how he when he was a coyote they basically would bring you into a house they would they would have a whole change of clothes for you and make you look like a fucking worker yeah they'd remit they create you a brand new passport and get you across the border yeah dude i mean they even they're even selling you know steve Pull up that tweet I sent you earlier. They're even selling... What is this, bro?

This is bombs that they hang into drones. Even one of the selling points is like, it has its hanger for your drone, so you can drop it. Oh my God. So the DJI little consumer drones that you buy on Amazon and Best Buy, they can carry these things,

and they just drop them. And they just drop them. A drone bomb? Yeah, this is the kind of shit. They're selling. on these WhatsApp groups. Oh my God. 22,000 passes, which is

a thousand bucks. And who is getting these bombs? This consul in these WhatsApp groups. Well, these bombs. So the Mexican military is getting them and selling on the black market to the cartels. Yes, exactly. Yes.

These kind of like high level weapons, a score. It's a, people know what about guns. His car is pretty expensive. A scar, yeah. And this is a core all covered in gold. Right. The scope and a lot of...

Gold magazine, gold handle, gold butt barrel. Ridiculous, I mean, but... What was that thing you were showing us earlier with that fucking thing that looked like a... A laser gun? The laser gun. Oh, well, that gun, that's a single, a signal jammer. A signal jammer. They use that against their own technology, right?

Because if the Halisco Gertel has... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, if the Halisco Gertel has drones, bombing, you know, with bombings. Well, you need protection against that. But you also need protection against the government drones that are looking over your turf. So they will, on the same group, they will sell these kind of shit so you can block.

And how does this thing right here work? It's basically a shotgun that blocks the signal of your drone. So if you have a drone that is communicating through GPS to find its way, whatever, as soon as you fire this shit, it blocked the signal of that basically shuts off your. drone so it drops. Oh my God, bro. Dude, it's so wild that

a lot of like police they don't even know that this is happening on these WhatsApp groups because this world is so small. The criminal world is so small that one time I was at a bar with one of my sources.

He works for the Mexican military. So I was at a bar with them and we're talking these and that and on the WhatsApp group i had access back then i'm not part of the WhatsApp group anymore but they someone posted a pair of binoculars but they look like super high tech by not your regular night vision shit they look like really something and they were really expensive they were selling those shit for 200,000 pesos which is like 10 grand and i was like dude, this looks like something really geared up, not your regular binoculars.

So I show him to him. So I was like, do you have any clue what this is? Like, what kind of bin binoculars are this? He looks at it. And he goes pale. He's like, where do you get this? And I'm like, A Soros is telling them. Dude, no, no, no, no, can I use your phone, please?

And I'm like, no, no, wait, wait, what happened? It's like, no, just send me a photo, like a screenshot of that shit. And I was like, all right, yeah, by all means. What happened? It's like, just give me a second. picks up his phone he calls someone he's like hey

remember the fucking pair of binoculars you bought from him well guess guess where they are and then he's like exactly dude he's with the chalisco hotel

why why are these binoculars in hands of the chalisco he's like okay just think about that boom he hangs the phone he's like dude I sold this

pair of binoculars this exact because he's like I'm pretty sure that you zoom in they have a mark where I raise the seat, whatever, to a guy who works on the military as well. And it turns out he's selling this shit to the Halisco.

So I was like, fuck, okay, dude. Sorry about that. Yeah, dude, like this world is, so there's a, they're sourcing from official, unofficial military, police, U.S. military, they're sourcing from everywhere, and they have access to a lot of fucking shit, dude. this was a major, major leak

that these source granted me access to. He granted me access to. Look at this shit. What, these are all IDs and passports? Yeah. U.S. U.S. permanent resident cards and passports.

They are not fake. They have all the, all the ceilings, all the markings because they're coming out of properly from a U.S. consulate in Mexico. How much money? What percentage? of the revenue that these cartels are bringing in is from is from smuggling people over the border right now dude

that is huge money that is huge money these uh smuggler in cidad huarez he recently told me for a story that they are they are making more money from smuggling people than from smuggling coke so he's like dude we're kind of like dropping that we're now huge on the human smuggling side of it Because for a single male, just to get him across the border, literally over and down the wall, they're charging $1,800 U.S. dollars for a single man. If you're moving a whole family and they ask you to go to, I don't know, New York. Yeah. Then you arrange the whole fucking thing from...

They'll even drive you in fucking New York. Yeah, dude. I mean, they pass, they get you pass through checkpoints. And then they'd say you end up on a bus, right? because then there's no more checkpoints after 20 miles from the border there are no more checkpoints there's only one

well like there are checkpoints in a circle around 20 miles from the border and they get passed through that using different tricks and different play this video Steve this video is wow I just saw this on Twitter this morning it looks like these guys are somehow

like they're tying this shit around those and they're making them What is it? They're widening the bars or breaking them. They're cutting off the... They're sawing those bars off. Oh.

You'll see it. There it is. Is this the Trump wall? Yeah. They're just waving at the cameraman. Yeah, they don't... Look at them. That dude is recording.

It's a joke. They don't give a shit, man. Look at this. And again, are they really a threat? I mean, look at these kids and this woman. They're not the fucking threat. Man, they are not. These guys are making money.

So these guys are coyotes? These guys are coyotes, yeah. That's exactly what happens with most of the deterrents policies. How recent was this? Can you look at the tweet and see when this was or where this was? Like where specifically on the border was this? December 11th. This was posted.

Okay, this was just posted a week ago. The cartels run the border now. Yeah. And it's pretty obvious. I mean, what was happening before the whole deterrents, right? Nothing, really. I mean, a lot of Mexicans were coming in and back out. They were, like, getting across the work and then back to Mexico and then back the next day.

But when you put in place the Terence policies, when you put crocodiles and, you know, crazy shit, cartels are going to bank on that shit. They're going to make a lot of fucking money on it. And you make them powerful by trying to. See, stop migrants from reaching the border and not having a system in place, you're making them reach. If the borders were open, as people say, like, they're wide open.

Well, who's going to charge for a wide open border, right? No one will be making money. You will phase a lot of, like, a lot of a mess of migrants coming over illegally to the U.S., right? That's a different thing. But no one will be making money.

No criminal organization will be banking on it. But when you close the borders, when you really close the borders and make it harder and harder and push people to remote places in the desert, through the sea, across a huge wall, under tunnels, that's where they're going to cash in. And they're going to become more and more and more powerful because of the money they are amassing. The harder it is to do it, the more money they can make. Absolutely do it. And when you can just shove a couple kilos in a backpack and walk across the border legally, like this is not that hard to do. Again, the migrants are not breaking drugs.

The cartels don't work like that. They don't put two eggs on the same basket. If you go into CVP, and I really ask all the people to do that because it's open information. Go to cv and look for the statistics on seashures, right? How much drug is being seized through ports of N3 and in between the ports of N3. I mean, through the desert, through the world, whatever. 99.8% is getting seized on ports of N3, on proper ports of N3. Like shipping ports?

Not like the regular bridges. Oh, oh, gosh. Yeah, vehicles, commercial, personal vehicles, whatever. Like, what we use, like 99.8. Very little drugs are being smuggled in between walls. Because it's riskier and you don't need that shit. Right. What you need is a full border.

packed, like when the CBP officers are taking a long time checking on you, and that's making a huge fucking line on the bridge. That's when they're like, so these holiday seasons, like December, a lot of Mexicans go to the U.S. to buy gifts for Christmas, right? So the border waiting times are like fucking three, four, five hours. You have to stand in line to get across into the U.S. and shit. That's when they guys take advantage of that shit. There's a lot of cars.

We have more chances of pulling one car packed with fentanyl in 100,000 cars, you know. Fernando was telling me that there was a system in place. I'm not sure if it's still in place where people, citizens of Tijuana actually have, there's programs where they can cross the border every day to go to work in the U.S. in San Diego or somewhere. Yeah. It's a border crossing cord. Is that still in place?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's still in place. Which, I mean, again, it's for border crosses, right? Like you're perfectly legal to go. You're Mexican citizen, but you work in the U.S. You go back and forth.

I heard a guy, this guy, John Mearsheimer, was doing a podcast on Alex Friedman, and they were talking about immigration. And basically, John Mearsheimer was making the point that the two main things for a country to become powerful are, there's two proxies. One is GDP, and the second one is population. And he was making the argument that like people in the U.S., Americans, young Americans, aren't having, they aren't making babies like they used to. And he's saying that the immigration of people from South America and Mexico is a good thing because they're still making babies and they're still crossing the U.S. We want more people.

More people is good and more people equals a higher GDP. Yeah. Definitely. If you actually have a program to make these people enter the workforce legally. Right. Yes. If you make these people enter the workforce, then yeah, you have, you have a lot of people working, making money, moving money, and you have larger population, right? When you remove the whole race about it, you know, when you, if you want a country just of white people and you don't take into account immigrants and say like, well, they don't count.

Let's just count for the white people because this is America or whatever. That doesn't work, right? If you take into account of like immigrants, say like, okay, let's make these people work and make them get into the workforce, then you definitely have a stronger workforce, right? Well pay, paying taxes, buying shit, buying houses, all this stuff. Well, the crazy thing is like they don't punish. I don't know exactly what the system is, but I don't, the people who run big companies. companies that hire these illegal immigrants. They know they have tons of legal immigrants working for them. And they pay them cash and they pay, don't pay them a lot of money. Exactly, dude. They're fucking,

so they're benefiting on it. Yeah. That's why Mexico is our biggest trading partners because we do what we put 90% of our manufacturing in Mexico and we get it dirt cheap. Yeah, dude. I mean, again, this country is not in hands of bad politicians. It's in hand of fucking robbers that are owning. huge companies. They're stealing from the country. They're doing all these crazy fucking shit. Like outsourcing for cheapest fucking labor, benefiting everyone but only their own pocket. So who's fault is that? Is that the guy who's trying to work to pay his family and he's not a citizen? So he has to get paid cash, but he's providing all this labor. He's working harder than any fucking other person on the job site or whatever it may be. Is it their fault? Or is the fucking guy who owns the company? Who knows he's getting this shit for 50 cents on the dollar? It's corporate America.

who's fucking up. They own the fucking country. They're doing all these crazy, shitty policies for their own fucking benefit, but for the demise of the whole country. I'm pretty sure that any politician call it Biden or call it Trump, they're well educated enough

to know what's better for our country. But they are in the fucking hands or the pause of corporate America. They don't give a shit. They're going to tell you like, no, you know what's best for our country? Let's outsource everything to China. Let's outsource everything to Mexico.

Right. And let's let's let these illegal immigrants work illegally and get paid cash instead of like actually put him on the workforce and make them pay taxes like anyone of us for the benefit of the country, right? And them because they're going to be legal. So it's a win-win. The only one's losing is the owners of that company that are going to have to pay taxes and employees and all that shit. They don't want to do that because they want to earn these extra fucking penny. Yeah, and the politicians, all they want to do is they're going to do whatever it takes to stay in power. To stay in power. Yeah. Yeah. And if these guys, corporate America, call it corporate cartels, American cartels, whatever.

They work as fucking cartels. It's exactly the same shit, right? It's the same shit. And they own the... It's just, it's within legal boundaries. There's a machine. There's a mechanism in America that allows the stuff to work legally. And I mean, senators and politicians, they're basically prostitutes to a big organization. Exactly. Pharmaceutical or whatever it might be. Exactly. Yes. That's what's happening with this country, which is we talk about this yesterday.

Like, this is still like this is a country that manages to every 80, 70, 50, 100 years to renew itself. And it's because of its people, right? Because of the benefits that people have. They kind of like take everything for granted. it, but when these country feels that their level of comfortable is being threatened, that's when it steps up. And it's great. And it's something that it's not happening in Mexico.

Places like Mexico, we're optimistic about it. We say like, no, this year we're doing great. We're doing better every year. But in reality, we're going to shit. It's just our opinion that it's naturally optimistic. And we're feeling that we're doing better every administration, every year. We now have a, we now have train, we now have electricity, we now have whatever. Fucking country is going to shit.

While this country, the opinion usually goes like that. But the country goes like this. It always comes up first, right? It's cyclical. And it's because people still has the capability to turn the country over, right? To say like, okay, it's not Biden. It's not Trump. It's not the migrant.

It's the fucking corporations. Let's fucking switch that up. And it gets a lot of sacrifices for the people, right? Like economical depressions and all that shit. But it works at the end. And this country renews itself. And that's pitiful about it. That's cool.

Well, bro, I always enjoy these conversations with you. Same, bro. Your flight is coming soon. We got to get you out of here. A flight to catch. But I really enjoyed that. Where do you envision the next? where do you envision the dynamic playing ground of the cartels in Mexico going and the factions?

Where do you think this is going in the next five years? The next five years are going to be definitely interesting because the whole playground, it's going to be on the side of the border. This is where everybody is going to be either arrested or free or snitching or talking or on trials. And this is going to become really interesting to watch all. these legal developments. I'm pretty sure that we're going to start seeing also killings in the streets of U.S. from these players, right?

It is not the first time. It happened before in Miami. It happened before when all the Colombian cartels were arrested and brought to justice into the U.S. after Pablo Escobar. They all were here in the U.S. snitching, talking, playing their cards on these side, and killing each other. on this side of the border. And this is what is going to happen

eventually here with the Senegal cartel, probably most on the West Coast, in L.A. and all those places. But the next playground for these guys, for the next five years, because you're going to have the trial of Opidio.

Probably one or two other Chapitos, probably some of them are going to get killed in Mexico. Then you're going to have the Mayos. Then you're going to have new players in the Sinola Cartel. You're going to have a Nini, damasos, you know,

all these people. that are already on this side of the border. Three out of the four kids of O'Mayu are on this side of the border. Juan Chapito and his security chief is probably going to be soon on this side of the border. Damaso is on this side of the border. So everybody's going to be on the side of the border cooperating with authorities,

and that's going to play out really interesting. Well, I'll be following you closely. Again, tell everybody where to watch your videos and read your substack and all that. my YouTube channel. I'm going to rebump my YouTube channel, hopefully make it more consistent breaking news there before on legacy media. I'm trying to make the

leap of faith, you know, with your help, of course. When I relaunch with some good stuff, I'm going to be back and asking for a solid from you to help me rebumped by my YouTube channel man. Hell yeah, man. I'm psyched. I'll link it below. Yeah. And

thanks again, man. We'll get you back in here sometime next year. Fuck yes. All right. Goodbye, world.