Danny Jones Podcast - #237 - Biblical Archeologists Found The Ancient Lost City of Sodom & Gomorrah | George Howard

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Watch the after show on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones George Howard is an original proponent & expert on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis. He has studied the climate crashing, civilization forming, species ending comet shower for 25 years. SPONSORS https://ketobrainz.com/pages/the-danny-jones-podcast - Use code "DANNY20" at checkout. https://pxg.com/danny - Get FREE shipping on all equipment. https://www.bubsnaturals.com/djp - Use code DJP for 20% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://www.cosmicsummit.com - Use code COSMICDANNY for $50 off https://www.youtube.com/@cosmicsummit https://www.instagram.com/cosmicsummit2024 Life in Space: https://cosmictusk.com/virus-and-disease-from-space-international-space-station-life-panspermia Plasmoid Power: https://cosmicsummit.com/thunderstorm-generatorgenerator Carolina Bay Survey: https://cbaysurvey.cintos.org FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Carolina bays craters 24:56 - Global black mat layer 36:44 - Airburst evidence 45:49 - Biblical archeology; Tall Al-Hammam 57:16 - Stunted tree ring research 01:06:20 - Younger dryas period 01:14:24 - Population decline in younger dryas 01:22:25 - YouTubers vs academia 01:28:28 - Ancient precision vases 01:35:23 - Dark side of the moon 01:43:15 - Panspermia evidence 02:00:53 - Malcolm Bendall deleted Rogan show 02:11:58 - Thunderstorm generator 02:19:50 - Commercial purchase? 02:24:04 - Malcolm at Cosmic Summit 2024 02:25:49 - Cosmic Summit 2024 guests Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So George Howard, thank you for coming, man. How did you get into this amazing wild world of antiquity and ancient cataclysms and all this stuff? It goes way back. I was working in the U.S. Senate in the early 90s. And my boss, a U.S. senator, called, wanted me to get a map for him one day. He said, get me a U.S.GS 1 to 32,000 topo, which I didn't know at the time what it was, with standard map from the U.S. Geological Service. I said, yeah, I'll get you.

Of my farm. He had a lot of land in North Carolina. And so I called up the congressional liaison, told him this where I wanted a map of, and they actually brought a rolled-up map over the next day. We rolled it out on his desk, and he was looking at something. And I looked over his shoulder. There's one after another, after another dashed line ellipses on his farm.

Some of them were big, some of them were small. And I said, what are those, boss? And he said, meteor holes. And being a science geek, I'm thinking to myself, I was like, meteor holes. Well, he must mean craters. And I had, and I said, well, Senator, you know, I'm a science geek. And I've been since I was a kid, and I love space stuff, and I'm interested in impacts. But North Carolina's never had an impact.

He says, the hell it hadn't. This is the biggest thing in the world when I was a boy. A comet slammed into the Carolina. And I said, really? He said, yeah, they call them Carolina Bays. And I said, oh, I had actually seen that because wetlands was a part of my portfolio of subjects. And you'd always see Carolina Bays listed with other wetland types. And it was our state, you know, I was like, what is this special thing?

I thought it had something to do with the coast, you know, a bay. But that's actually the bay trees that they're in them. The same thing you put in spaghetti sauce, right? The little leaves. those succulent plants grow in Carolina Bays. In fact, a bunch of interesting plants grow in Carolina Bays. A bunch of interesting species grow in Carolina Bays. So then I was like, wow.

And the Internet had just come out, and I was actually the first person in the office with the Internet. This was in 1993. And I went back and Googled, or whatever we did at the time, Alta Vista, you know, Carolina Bays. And damn if there wasn't a whole page on them with a whole bunch of information. And the earliest Bay Nut,

And then I subsequently came one, and now I've passed the torch off to others, had put up a, but he was a digital librarian for the University of Georgia. And he had early internet access, and he put a bunch of information on the base there. And it speculated that, indeed, there was perhaps a cataclysm that affected the entire East Coast in North America and left these scars. And I became absolutely fascinated. And within about a year of that, I started talking to the gentleman, he said, yeah, I think it might be responsible for the younger dryus. I said, well, what the hell is that? He said, well, that's the thing that killed off the Clovis people. I said, well, who the hell are they?

And just started going down a great rabbit hole. And then I started, I wrote actually a buddy went back to UNC. We had been graduated six, seven years, and he hadn't finished up. He needed to go do a couple classes. And he was taking geology. And he said, Howard, you keep talking about those Carolina Pays, man. That's one optional subject for a paper I need to. write, could you put together some notes for me? And I said, yeah, I'll put together some notes. And I got

into it, wrote a 27-page essay and gave it to him. He got like a B-plus or something. And then it was early internet. This was about 97. And I had bought Georgehoward.net, as embarrassing as that sounds now. And I needed something to put up on it. So I hoisted the paper up on there just for public And that led to the next part when I got into the scientists. So in 99, I got contacted by a Dr. William topping. And he's a very strange fellow. You know, probably a little bit touched mentally, but he was an archaeologist. But he was sending me these kind of cookie emails about, you know, I think you, I found something.

I found something that may prove what's in your essay. And that was tiny spherials and impacts into certain materials that are found at 13,000-year-old archaeological sites, like one he had in Michigan called Ganey. They're kind of nutty emails. And then I received another one. And it said, I know Dr. Topping is in touch with you. He's in touch with me as well. He's an odd character, but I think he's owned to something. We were searching the Internet for catastrophes in the Midwest, explosions, that kind of thing.

or they came and they came across my paper independently, where I said that there seemed to be a catastrophe that occurred over the Midwest that caused basically a blood spatter pattern over the East Coast of these shallow elliptical depressions in the ground, which are easily seen from above and imperceptible from the ground. So in the 1930s, they had first taken aerial photography and said, good God, something slammed in the Carolinas. And that was what my boss was talking about.

I later came across. It was on the cover of Harper's Bazaar in, I think, 1932, and it was the comet that hit the Carolinas. So he was a little boy during that time. That's an exciting thing, and that's what he remembered. And, yeah, so the fellow contacted me, the other scientists, and I looked down at his thing. He didn't seem nutty at all, and its address was one cyclotron drive, Berkeley, California. And he's a physicist, and Dr. Richard Firestone, who's now become well-noted as the original. author of all this stuff. And I started working with them. And they wrote a paper topping and

Firestone in 2001 in a kind of obscure journal proposing that there was a catastrophe 13,000 years ago and that the Bays may have been related. We're still not certain of that by far. But they wrote that paper. They made some mistakes and their assumptions were probably wrong on some front. So it didn't get a whole lot of notice. But I was kind of in touch with PhDs, which was really cool. And then in 2005, Dr. Allen West contacted me, and he said, me and Dr. Kenneth, James Kennett, who's a member of the National Academy of Sciences, are going to redo another paper on this subject. We believe there was a catastrophe 13,000 years ago. And we think it was global and it was horrible. And we're interested in the Carolina Bays as possibly being related and could you collect some samples for us.

So at their instruction, the damn good instruction, and I worked with some other people. I had soil scientists fortunately that actually worked in my company with me. And we went out and dug into bays and spent, you know, days out there and drilling cores and all this stuff and ship and sand out to the University of California, Santa Barbara to be carefully picked through and looked out through transmission of light transistors and geochemically tested. and it showed some pretty anomalous stuff. Like what? There were spherules and nanodiamonds, particularly at the very bottom of the bay, which might suggest that it was related

and that that fallout from the impacts elsewhere, which is an important point, the bays themselves are not the impact points. And that was originally suspected in the 30s when they looked at the aerial photographs, Anybody that looked at them just as they would now will say, well, something just slammed into the ground there. So several teams of scientists, independent teams back in the 30s, went digging in the bays to find the rocks. And strangely enough, the same thing happened in Russia at the Tunguska site, which is the tremendous thousand square mile blowdown of the forest that happened up there from above in 1908.

So the first researcher that got out there, Leonard Kulik, he went digging in a number of neat oval bogs looking for the rocks. And there were no rocks. It came from above. It blew up above. And it was just the concussion, if you will, that caused the blowdown. So are these bays, what do they look? Can you find an area for, is that on the bottom left, Steve? Is that bottom left, what Tungusk?

looks like today? Part of it. So there's many of those circular grasslands with no trees, many spots like that, and essentially the idea is that there was some sort of an airburst

that created a shotgun blast where all these smaller particles or smaller particles, but maybe the size of this table basically slammed into the ground. Well, I'll tell you where it is now, and we're out on the kind of the, I call the Carolina Bays.

Is this similar to what the Carolina Bays look like? Well, call them up. Google Carolina Bayes. You tell me. Carolina Bayes. I don't mean to be suspenseful, but it's... Oh, my gosh. Okay. So they look very similar. And they're full of water? Just some of them are. Okay. Those are the ones that the public that lives around them think of those, and they know, yeah, that's a unique geological features, Carolina Bay. It's a lake. But little do they know that when you go look at them carefully, you can see them everywhere in the landscape. That they rose.

go around them instead of through them. The churches sit on the rims, and they bury people in the sandy rims, all the graveyards on the rim. So it actually has affected human settlement patterns where these wetlands are, because they're all wetlands. Some are actually lakes. But the curious thing, Danny, is that they orient themselves, I guess you could say. They are oriented in a particular direction. What do you mean by that? So if you are in New Jersey and you find a Carolina Bay or you see one or you see it through LiDAR, which is very fine elevation data, which you get with lasers, they point more westerly in, say, New Jersey.

You get down to the Carolinas and they point northeast. Then you get down to Georgia and they point north. so they all converge. See that bottom left? If you'll scroll up. Yeah, click on that bottom left with the yellow. Yeah. See that, Steve?

Now it's your top left. Yeah. Try to blow that up. Yeah. So this was my dream and I didn't have the wherewithal to do it, but others came along and a wonderful guy.

There you know. Michael Davius went into full obsession mode for several years and he went in categorized, calculated, find every single Carolina Bay. Okay. And you often see, and, you know, casual mentions them that they're 500,000,

but they're actually, we've only gotten to 55,000. And they're all pointing. So if you see up there in the north, they're just a little bit more west. And if you look down in the south, you're pointing north, and that's like a blood spatter pattern. That says that these things are somehow, drawn from a particular location. So you're saying... So in that top, up by like the Great Lakes

where that centerpiece is, that central spot is, are you saying like a, is the idea that a large comet hit there and then debris is like shot out and hit the Carolina Bays? Precisely, Dr. Jones. Okay. Mm-hmm. And so if you call them secondary impacts.

Mm-hmm. And the idea is that it kicks something, Carolina. So what did it kick into the Carolinas? And also in Nebraska and Kansas and Dr. West and I were the first to note those in LIDAR and said, holy shit, they're all over Kansas and Nebraska and they point back the other way. They're pointing to the same place. Pointing towards that center impact area. Exactly. And so yeah, where were we? Are there any more? Are those the only ones you found? You would think there would be more in There's a big empty area in like the bottom left.

Excellent question. It's the nature of the soil there that in the Carolinas, this sand, you know, it's a sandy coastal plain all up the East Coast. And that's an important component. And you have that same with a shallow groundwater table, right? So it's sand with water immediately beneath it. Same thing out there in Nebraska, right? That it's a sandy soil. So where you don't see them, where there might have been things that landed, are the red clay country of Arkansas, right?

It's not sand. It would have eroded or otherwise not shown itself as clearly is the idea. Okay. So it only shows up in sandy soils. And, yeah, and it's a mystery wrapped in an enigma stuck deep in a black box. So what is the convention? conventional theory on these things. Like if you ask academic geologists what happened and what the explanation is for those Carolina Bays, what do they say? Yeah, actually, let me stick with the

extraordinary explanation, and then I'll shift to that, that it was proposed in the journal geology by a good friend, Antonio Zamora, who's also kind of a citizen scientist like myself, but he managed to get it published in geology. And he proposed, I think it was 2015. I could be wrong. He wrote a a paper that said what happened was, his hypothesis was that a fragment of a comet, or say an asteroid, slammed into the ice sheet above Michigan at that time. So there was up to two miles of ice that covered everything 13,000 years ago, and that it excavated immediately, blew out into the lower atmosphere, gigantic chunks of ice. As crazy as that sounds, okay?

And those hypersonic ice boulder chunks is what was launched. But immediately prior to that, he calculated that it would have caused a tremendous earthquake that would have shook that sandy soil with a low water table and that liquefize sand. You can go and see earthquakes in Japan where cars will just have the bumper showing and it'll just be sand. Because if you have liquefied sand, like water and sand, and then you shake it, it becomes like quicksand. And things dump into it. So it would have shaken the ground, and then the boulder would have landed on it, excavated out the baylike feature. And all of them are perfect ellipses in the Carolinas, mathematical ellipses, which suggest a cone, an ellipse is created by a cone.

If you take like the dunce cap and pass it through a flat plane, it leaves an ellipse, that that same pressure, wave came down and caused those perfect ellipses. So that's the Zamora hypothesis, and that's way out there on the edge and not it's set by the mainstream. What does the mainstream tell you? They say, does the Aeolian Lecustrin Solution hypothesis? And red flags go up right away. If you're a scientifically-minded person, you'd like, well, they had to come up, they had

had to come up with three different processes to get there. Aolian, Lecustrine, and solution. Yeah. Aolian means wind. Lecustrine means lake. And solution means dissolve. I believe. And so what they're saying, what the mainstream tells us is that there were powerful winds being swept off the glaciers during the ice ages.

And in four different periods, I think, is the way the mainstream kind of goes with it now. Because they did some dating on them. They said they were created at different times, some up to several thousand years apart, up to 10,000 years apart. It happened again. that these winds came down and blew puddles into perfect ellipses, right? That wind, water, and sand creates an ellipse. Now, or, you know, circular depression. What is this, Stephen?

So George was talking about how if you shake sand, it'll liquefy. That's right. I mean, it literally says liquefying with liquefaction. So I guess that's the process. But this is an earthquake that has liquefied the ground to the point that the vehicles have sunk into it. And, of course, that ground is hard now. You could walk right out there. It's just the fact that when you shake the hell out of it and you got sand and water, it turns into just a slush.

Oh, wow. Right? So you would have had that slush because the earthquake hit, and then the boulders landed into it, and it splashed out the bays. Now, that's an extraordinary hypothesis. Many may reject it, but I reject the fact that if you just take wind and blow it on these features, it would have created 55,000 perfectly elliptical lakes all pointed the same direction, despite being separated in their creation times by tens of thousands of years. So think of that.

They're 55,000. They say they formed in four different periods. Why in the hell, 10,000 years later, would those winds conspire to put it in the same direction again? or did it go take all the previous bays and reorient them? Right? It seems like if it was done in four different periods, you would be able to say, well, here's genetic class one,

here's class two, here's class three. You can tell their time of when they are created because the wins were slightly different. But those wins, according to the mainstream, conspired each time. To be exactly the same. To be exactly the same. And I have a lot of trouble with that.

Where I go with the bays personally, Well, first of all, I call them the kooky caboose of the Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis, because we included it would have been the first paper because we had some intriguing evidence. But it was not the best evidence, and we quickly found much more evidence, much better evidence. And when you're making a case in a scientific publication, it's a little bit like a courtroom. You try to bring in your best evidence. And that doesn't mean everything that you know about the case you're going to say, because some of it might be scarier and others. So when we had much better evidence and some new people on the team that weren't comfortable with the bays, all cool, we dropped them off. But they've hung to the train of the Yoder Dryas In fact hypothesis as the kooky caboose that you can't quite let go.

It will always be connected to it. And the public will speculate, which is entirely appropriate, but just as a matter of, you know, scientific efficiency, we leave them out of the subject now. Okay. Yeah. Now, can we find a photo in Russia from Tenguska that, where we can see an aerial photo and like that compares the bays in North Carolina to the impact in Russia? Is there any similarity? Well, they're not many of them. And I don't know.

No one has ever paid too much attention. Huh. They do come up with crater, don't it? But there's that one intriguing picture there on the right. Like an aerial photo. Just one. They generally show it same picture. but you can, and hey, this is my speculation.

You don't even find this in Zamoire's papers and stuff. I just always thought it was odd that when Kulik went out there, he immediately dug in what I believe he termed, a number of neat oval bogs. Now, maybe the situation was there that they re-grew, and some are still evident, whatnot. In other words, the forest re-grew. Who knows?

But he went out there and did the exact same thing, that in the 1930s, people were doing in the Carolinas, which was look in neat oval bogs for rocks that weren't there because it just didn't happen the way that it seemed. So I found it very, very intriguing. And like I say, I kind of passed the baton, so I was the bay nut from about 2007. Then my name got associated with Google, so for years I would come up with Carolina Bays and people contact me and all that stuff. But in 2005, these other scientists contacted me, and we published in 2007, and then that initiated what has been at least 40 or 50 papers from our side and, you know, close to 200 total back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, trying to argue, debate, whatnot. That top left one is wild. How perfectly circular that is. Yeah, I took that picture, actually.

Did you really? I did. sticking my head out of a Cessna. Wow. Look at that, man. How did Wynn do that? That's nice to see somebody else pick up that picture. Yeah, Wynn didn't do that.

First of all, there's a wonderful fellow. He was a lawyer in Sumpter, South Carolina, who wrote a book called The Mysterious Carolina Bays, Henry Savage. And like I say, it's kind of a legal thing, what's your evidence and whatnot? And he called bullshit on the windwater hypothesis. He said, just no way. And one of the things he said, he said, anybody familiar with a southern wetland of tangled vines and trees and herbaceous shrubs and all that stuff knows that immediately you're not going to get a whole lot of formation of stuff.

If you're wet, you're going to kind of stay where you are. It's kind of hard to blow that around. Now, that said, you did have different conditions 20,000 years ago. But they're certainly not for me now. My bottom line is that the Carolina Bays were all created at once. Whatever in hell made that did not occur again and again over thousands and thousands of years. I think it is plainly obvious, at least to myself, that they all occurred at once. So what the hell happened?

So, and additionally, I know Randall talks about what, like, what you just mentioned when the ice sheet was hit, it carried massive pieces of ice all across the continent. And there's evidence of rocks that were frozen inside of those pieces of. ice that show up like in the scablands or like the northwestern part of the United States. Yeah. Rocks that are from a completely other part. They're native to a completely separate part, like northern Canada. That's right.

And they were rafted down there in the floods. Right. That's right. And they're left behind its giant erratic boulders. Yeah, like how else would those rocks have ended up there? Random rocks. Yeah. Well, even the mainstream will tell you that's catastrophic in a sense.

They're the size of houses, and they had to be carried by an iceberg the size of aircraft carrier. Right. Right. See that photo there on the left, one off the top left. It's of Michigan. There you go. Blow that up. So that's where they all point back to is Saginaw Bay, right, which is the thumb of Michigan, or between the thumb and the hand. Right?

See how there's a divot? over there, see how Michigan's like a hand, right? Yep. And then you've got Saginaw Bay up there in the northeast. Right. Well, that's what they all point to. Kind of interesting to see that it's a big divot in the landscape. It's like something was excavated.

And, of course, it's not a crater, but you had two miles of ice protecting it. Right. So could it be that whatever hell occurred that day when it slammed into that location, that's the remnant scar of what happens when you hit a mile-thick ice sheet with a hypersonic bullet from space. The ice shatters and scatters, and then you are left with what now is kind of the Saginaw Bay feature. So that's the kind of intriguing stuff that they didn't go and go to Saginaw Bay and then draw lines to the bays. What they did was drew lines off of the long axis of the bays and then look, well, where did it point? Holy shit. It points to a place that actually looks like something kind of strange happened.

Now, do we find similar rocks or nanodiams in this part of Michigan that are the same as what you find in the bays? You've got to get below the ice sheet where it reached. So it cut off somewhere, I don't know, I don't think it went much south of Michigan. but you find it at archaeological sites with undisturbed soils that have been aggrating for thousands of years. In other words, they're not eroding. They're always collecting more material, right? So you can go back through like a time capsule like archaeologists do it, and they cut down. Then you've got a face of soil on the side of your – I'm trying to think of what they call it. I've been on a couple digs.

I forget the bar, whatever. But you've got the face of the dig, and what you do is then test the geochemistry and the compositional analysis of the soil along that face, and you know what – and you can know how things changed over time. So, Steve, if I can take the helm for just a second. All right. There you go. Thank you, sir. So when you go to such archaeological sites – What is it doing?

There we go. That's a very famous site. That's called Murray Springs. Right. And that's in Arizona. And there is a black mat at that location. That's what archaeologists had called that for years before anybody came up with this stuff. What is a black mat?

It is a layer of dark soil that was actually produced by algae. And we agree with that. They agree with that. So what happens is the public will see the black mat and very justifiably say, hmm, that must be the burnt stuff from the very bad day, that that's a bunch of charcoal. And there is charcoal in there. But if you see, there's another black mat, right?

Wow. They're all over the place. I think 80 some percent of the paleo archaeological sites that have 13,000-year-old soils, and you can look at, these are, I think I've already, gone through a couple of different sites. They all have that black mat or something close to it. And see, what's interesting is to me, this is not the perfect one, but it does show it. So below that line that you see, the upper dark line, see how it's dark.

Yes. Think of it in terms of time. Well, that's thousands of years. So at the top of that dark layer to the surface, we know is 13,000 years. So one can presume that to some degree without certainty, but one can presume that there were thousands of years below it. But look how the soil color changes for thousands of years afterwards. Right. So it was something, whatever the climatic conditions were before that for thousands of years and created that kind of soil.

Then something happened. And then it changed forever. So how long? So that stripe of black soil in the middle, that entire. thick portion of darker soil. How long of a time period is that? That, say, the entire younger dry, I say 1,200 years. That's 12 hundred years. Because it was a cold, wet, algal mat. And so below that, it's white again. So that looks like maybe it was around 800 years below it.

Well, it depends on how far below you go, you know. Well, from that photo. Yeah, no, it would. Let's find it. Let's see. Yeah, it would be, there's a good one. Okay. Okay, this is a great one. That is not in Arizona or New Mexico or out west. That is in Lommel, Belgium. So that's the other side of the pond. You go back 13,000 years, you look at the soil, and there's a black mat. And this idea is not contested by conventional archaeologists. The idea that there's a black mat is not contested. The explanation for the black mat is highly contested. Okay. What is the conventional explanation? that we're just seeing things,

that there just happens to be an algal mat at that time. But how do they say? They say they're black mats, and there are. You can find black mats in all sorts of soils. And a paper by, was it, it okay or whatnot,

came out, I don't know, 10 plus years ago, and I said, you guys are full of shit. You can see these black mats one after another and all sorts. So,

yeah, we know that. No shit, man. But these are a black mat that show there one and one for thousands of years afterwards and they're one one for thousand years before and they all show up at the same place

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True TV, and HBO Max. Since the archaeological sites had, were existing sites, long studied, some of the most famous ones called Blackwater Draw, where they actually

first discovered the Clovis people, people who made this beautiful spear point. It's a Clovis point. Okay. Now that's, that's a reproduction. Okay. That's plastic. I wish I would. This is actually, I think, one of the most beautiful ones in the world. So they made the reproduction from that. So the Clovis points came from the Clovis people that my buddy had told me about back in 93. And they're the enigmatic hunting culture that existed just prior to the Younger Dryas and then did not.

And some of the understandings and studies of the period that they flourished in America because they did flourish. You find these points from South America to Alaska to Miami could be as narrow as 250 years. So these are the people that we've long heard about

that came over the Siberian ice The land bridge. The land bridge came down through the gap between the two glaciers at the time. And they tell us also that that hunting tribe, with these spear points, killed over 200 species of mammals. And drove them completely extinct in an orgy of hunting for a couple of years. They're still sticking to that theory? Absolutely. And that is the weakest part of the entire mainstream gang.

and it, you know, they call it over chill, over grill, or overkill. And, yeah, we're over grill. And then over ill. So over chill would be that the climate change, the younger dries hit, and all those animals when it stink. Okay. We'll get something we talked about at dinner last night in a second. But so you got over chill, then you got over ill. Ross McPhee at the New York Museum says that it might have been a pandemic for the animals that

sweat through these different species of mammals and knocked them out. And this would included the Willie Mammoth, the Mastodon, the giant ground sloth, damn things 20 feet tall. Right. Yeah. The glipidon and armadillo that weighed a ton the size of a golf cart. Okay. And that all of those died through disease or hunting or just the climate change. and what we say is that, yeah, the third explanation is right, it was the climate change, but the climate changed over a long weekend, and it included probably, well, a global fire that would have burned 10% of the Earth's biomass and actually caused a conflagration as bad as the KT boundary, which is where you find the dinosaurs.

But real quick, here's the thing. Archaeologists, even long before we came along knew that when they, They dug at these sites that they would go down through the soil and they knew they were going to get to the clovus points and the mammoth bones and all the cool shit right after they got to the black mac. So they used it as a rule of thumb. Right? They knew that was the sweet spot, right? It was under that black mat. But no one had ever gone and tested with microscopy, atomic microscopes and with geochemical tools, the constituents of the black mat and a media.

below it particularly. So that's what Dr. West and Dr. Kennett and Dr. Bunch and our initial group back 17 years ago went to these well-established sites where you know the dating is solid. You don't have to make the case that this is 13,000 years out of there. Dozens of papers on it. So you go to that. That's a great hack. And then you test the soil above and below. And what do you find? but dramatic differences in the chemistry and the material composition of that soil. So if I can get my slide sorter, let's see if we can find some. And basically, that means that above the black mat, you do not find things like nanodiamonds. you don't find the sphericals, metallic spherials, and that's a very important point,

that these same lines of evidence were used to prove the dinosaurs were wiped out by a common. And they use spirials there too, because what happens is when you have a tremendous impact or an air burst, which we believe caused the majority of this stuff, many, many air bursts, is like a nuclear war without the radiation, that it whips the surface of the earth up in a plastic, PASMaball of hell, right? And Steve, if you could call up like, we'll use our buddy Mark Boslow, our number one critic, did all the work on this. So we'll give him a little credit here. Type Boslow Airburst.

Who is this guy? Oh, he's a jackass who's been on our case since day one. What's his background? He worked at Sandia National Labs. Okay. He's a physicist of something, and he was, he's kind of a failed. media figure, never made it out of like a few TV shows and was trying to build a wrap as a science communicator and whatnot. Okay.

And he was the airburst expert. And he had pretty soon after we published the first paper, he dug his heels in. He said, this didn't happen. And then he developed a little cabal of people that have continued to publish an opposition attempting to refute our multiple papers. So we publish a paper with a new line of evidence. then they come out and publish a much shittier paper refuting. And those things don't get compared in the press. They'll just say it got refuted by these other scientists.

They said it didn't work. Well, first of all, if you go line and put those papers beside each other, you'll see ours are data packed. Some of them will be 60 pages long, you know, all sorts of stuff. What is he supposed to be searching for here? Oh, I'm sorry. It's B-O-S-L-U-G-H. Yeah, sorry, brother.

And then what specific photos are we looking for? Yeah, we'll see it. It'll pop right up. It'll show an air burst with the heat. There you go. See that sucker? Well, that's a bad day, man, when that shit happens. And the mainstream agrees that that happens.

That is a mainstream guy, our principal critic, Mark Boslow. It's like that top left one? Yeah. Showing the hell. Sodom. Can you blow that out? Sodom. That's them coming after our Sodom paper.

It's time to retract the, Sodom Airburst paper. That's Tal Al-Lam. After a year, Bunch et al-201 still includes claims without evidence, false assertions, fabrication, citations, and non-existent papers to a non-existent paper

and non-peerviewed Young Earth creation literature. Well, I'm not a young earth creationist, and I find that absolutely offensive. I'm part of Boslow. I'm one of the Ed Al's there. I was on that paper.

But what happens is, when you get a certain class of objects that are far more numerous than the ones that will create a crater, right? So think of two classes, three classes. One class is if you go out on the beach, Danny, on a certain night, you've ever seen a shooting star? Yeah. Well, I'll have a beautiful thing. Well, that's a little speck of dust, right? So those are most common.

You can have many more small things coming in from space. And then there's another class objects where, like the thing that killed the dust. dinosaurs or the thing that made the big crater out in Arizona. It's a national park. It's just a perfect bowl called Meteor Crater outside of Beringer, Arizona. And they obviously, those objects made it all the way through the atmosphere and slammed in the ground and left us a calling card. Right. Okay.

Well, what's in between those two classes? If you're not so tiny, so tiny that you're just a little shooting star and so big that you leave a hole. Well, the middle class is that which creates airbirds. Okay. And think of the atmosphere as being water. When you jump off a bridge, say you're committing suicide or something, and jump off off a high bridge, you do not create a crater on the bottom of the river or the bay or wherever you are. You blow up in the water.

Right. Same thing happens. If you think of the vacuum or near vacuum of space and you're moving 70,000 miles, an hour and you, you being the object, hit the atmosphere. You're hitting a much, you might as well be hitting the concrete. Wow, look at that photo. What a great. Yeah. That middle one right below your cursor. Yeah, that's bizarre. That's like a render. Yeah, it's definitely a render. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's still a really good depiction of what happens. I've got a good one. Here's would it look like. This is the best

we've been able to do. So yeah, I wonder what would be worse? What would be more catastrophic? Just that enormous rock slamming into the earth or the shotgun blast that it creates when it blows up in the atmosphere. Hey, Steve, switch over to me and I'll show you the shotgun blast.

I think I'm already switched. Are we switched? Yeah. Okay, see that? Oh, this is a... Yeah. That's our best shot without, you know, a whole lot of production abilities. Well, those are a lot of things hitting. Yeah, there were thousands and thousands of them, right?

And we believe that's the torrid meteor stream, which you can go out and see those shooting stars every late June. We passed through it twice a year, right? Exactly. Exactly. And that we hit a particularly chunky part of it. Makes complete sense to me, right? These things aren't uniform. They're things between you have a big old comet.

Every meteor shower is the result of a fragmented comet and all comets eventually fragment. So I said a first big comet comes in, say, 60 miles wide, which we believe the one that calls the younger dry stuff. So it came in. How do they figure it was 60 miles wide? I don't know how they kind of reverse engineer that. Oh, the total volume of what they calculate what is in the torrid stream now, right? So if you took, and I'm sure it's a rough calculation, but they say, okay, here's how much. material we see out there and can project that might be in the stream, well, let's shove it all

into one piece. How big would it be? Okay. Yeah. So they, particularly the British neoc catastrophes, a wonderful group of heretical astronomers in Britain. Heretical astronomers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And these guys were in the 70s and 80s, and they were saying the torrides were responsible for changes in civilization over time and pre-civilization in the case of the Younger Dries. and so they had been saying for years that this was the thing, and that it came in at around 20,000 years ago, and this is speculative, who knows, maybe it's 25, one, or, but that a comet entered solar orbit, and it began to disintegrate like they all did. There's some out there now.

I think there's one that's almost visible now that you can see there are multiple parts, a Schwossmann-Watman. And then it goes through what's called hierarchical disintegration, So you've got two pieces, two become four, four become eight, eight becomes sixteen. And they're not all doing at the same speed. So you end up with bigger pieces and smaller pieces, but they're constantly disintegrating. So presumably it's getting less and less dangerous, first of all, which is the goodness, right?

Because you're getting smaller and smaller pieces. But as Dr. Napier, one of the great British Neoc catastrophes told me, he said, George, it's like it's walking across a highway, son. And you've got a blindfold. Yeah, Randall gave this analogy. Yeah, yeah. Randall picked it off from me. Oh, did he really? Well, and I got it from Nafir.

It's beautiful. Somebody probably told Nafir. But, yeah, you go through the blindfold on and you'd be fine most of the time. You know, 2 o'clock in the morning, 3 o'clock in the morning. You're absolutely okay. And maybe it could be 2 o'clock in the afternoon. It's just not that busy, just a few cars, and you'd make it across most times. But sometimes you cross that thing at the wrong time, man, and they're fucking trucks and vans.

And it's tight traffic, but they're moving, you know, 70 miles an hour, and you have a very, very bad day. And that could happen more than once. And we believe that has happened more than once. We believe it has happened at least five times since the big one. Do we think that there were any catastrophic impacts between 13,000 years ago and now? We did. Like closer to us? We do.

When was that? That was for our group, there are plenty of people who speculate on this stuff and published. But our group published a paper in 2021 that came up. That was the one they were knocking there, given grief, where we investigated, and I went over there as the first person from a comic research group to the site. I got a call from another British catastrophist, Tweety gentleman, Phil Clapham, and Clapham said, George, I'm in touch with a biblical archaeology group in the Jordan Valley who believed they found Sodom. And I said, is this out of a damn movie? What is a biblical archaeology group? That means that there are people of faith that are following archaeological practices

and operating as archaeologists, but they're believers, right? And there's always been a substantial threat of that. In fact, they were the first archaeologists in the Middle East, right? That they went over there as faithful people, digging to prove their book. So I joined them on a dig. It's not particularly... Write that down, biblical archaeologists. that'll be our title.

It's a tough mix, man. It's a tough mix of cultures. And they carry a big load because they have to both stay true to science while at the same time true to their faith. And I think you can balance those things, or at least you can tell if they're squirreling it. And it doesn't do them any good to go and change data and whatnot, which we were accused of, in support of the body. Well, your interpretation may be different. But so I got a call from this felony. I'm in touch with biblical archeology group.

And they are fine, fine archaeologists and have been digging Tal al-Hamam for, I think at that time, 15 seasons. So you go out once a year and they would take 50 or 60 people over a month and a half, generally in February to the Middle East. And you dig your ass off and work like a damn mule to, you. dig and excavate at Tala Halaamam. So they've been doing that for years, and he said, and they have found a burn layer a couple of meters down. So a burn layer, again, it's kind of like that black mat, that they found a layer of destruction that indicates that the city there at Tala Hala Halaamam was absolutely pounded. Everything broken. Pieces of pottery on one side, some of them are melted.

at extremely high temperatures, right? But they didn't know all that. They didn't know the forensic part of it because they were 11th archaeologists. You know, they didn't do the geochemistry and the microscope work. So I went over there. In the first year, I was about 50% digging

with the rest of the gang, but then I had some real leash, and I was allowed to just walk around Tal Hallamomom and collect samples. and see what I could see, blah, blah, blah. So we shipped all this stuff back to the U.S. Then the next year I was joined for people who were skeptical of a civilian like me doing this stuff. Believe me, they'll put the scientists on you.

But I did the initial work. And then the next year, I came back with an archaeologist, Ph.D., a rocket scientist and an MD. And as part of the comic research group, and we got more samples. Then they spent six years writing the scientific paper. and it came out in 2021, and it was a pretty big deal. It was published in nature, and it provided evidence and support of the Genesis passages concerning Sodom and Gamore. And I have no doubt that, personally, that that site is Sodom, and that's separate from

just the impact evidence. There's a lot of other biblical evidence that suggests that the law city of Sodom has now been found by Dr. Stephen Collins in Trinity Southwest University. And that's a Christian school in Albuquerque. So I dug with them, and we published that paper, and it has become arguably the most downloaded, popular, read, scientific publication in nature. Last time I checked, it had over a half million downloads of views. And I think what that is is generally sometimes woke, but atheist scientific. types that are pissed off that something made it in the nature that try that that that suggests that

there's biblical truth so they're furtively going on there and reading that paper going you know the bastards they never should have let that one through and then they're the people of faith who say oh my gosh there's something in nature right that that provides proof to you know our stories and they go read it and then there are other just science nuts so you take those groups together and it's a very popular paper and they had to have it they um is this the paper that got a 100,000 downloads? Yeah, yeah. A Tunguska-sized airburst destroyed Tel-A-Hamom, a middle bronze-aged city near, or a city in the Jordan Valley near the Dead Sea.

Yeah. And when did this airburst? When did this happen? 3,700 years ago. Wow. So 1,700 BC. And that was during the time, if there was an Old Testament, that's when, that is the time period, which is being testified to it. Okay.

And the interesting thing about the site that I thought was fascinating, I'd read the book, Dr. Collins wrote a fantastic book people can get on the whole story. It's a little dated now because they've discovered a lot else and this paper came out. But it was like mentioned in the side of the book and people talked to on the side of the thing. They said, well, it's well established that Tal al-Alamam was the last campsite of the Israelites. So that area around that mound is called Abol-Shatim, the field of vacations, which is kind of interesting right there. You know, Caches is a DMT and all that. Right. Right. It's called the field of vacations. And it's always been accepted as if there was an exodus, that was the last campsite. And it, that area is kind of promoted as such. And when you dig at it, you look over your shoulder, well, you look straight ahead to the Jordan River, which is about six, seven miles away. And then another six or seven. miles away is Jericho, the oldest city in the world. And that's where the Israelites, that's when they went into Israel and they sent the spies to Jericho and it's all spelled out in the Bible. But the place that they did that from was clearly Tel-Al-Bom, because when you look over behind yourself digging at that site, you're sitting at the foot of Mount Neba. And there's the monastery up there that is the site where Moses looked out on the promised land. So,

So he finished his 40-year journey. He never entered Israel. But at the foot of the mountain is where they would have entered the promised land and where they would have established the tabernacle, I believe, and all of this stuff. So the ark sat on Talhallaam, which is a hell of a second act. That was 700 years after the destruction, if it all be true. Right. I'm like, that's just a hell of a place to both be Sodom and the last place the ark sat.

until they moved to Jerusalem. Who was the guy who led some big research project, the guy who claimed he discovered the ark, and he was like digging up all this ancient wood? Are you familiar what I'm talking about? I forget his name, but when I was studying this stuff closely, Ron Wyatt, maybe? Ron, yes, that's it, Ron Wyatt.

Is this where he found it? No, no, no, no. Okay. And thank goodness. Right. This has all been done in a very, an academic context.

You know, this is serious archaeology out there. Now, yeah, they're people of faith, but I've seen the way they operate. They're not sitting there

deliberately trying to ski things to prove their book. Yeah, that's from the top of Tel Alamam. Cool. And where people like Wyatt and stuff were, you know,

popular communicators to Christian audiences and trying to get their eyeballs. Maybe he's right about some stuff. Maybe he's not right about some stuff. But he's no archaeologist. And, actually the place where if you ask people of faith, and I've actually become a better Christian

since this, and I go to a Bible study these days. And if somebody told me that 10 years ago, I never believed it. But the other day, we were moving through Sodom right now and moving through Genesis. And it had in the footnotes of the Bible when the guys read, they said, well, Sodom is supposed to be, according to our people, you know, Christian historians and whatnot, south of the Dead Sea. So all the faithful argue against this, not all of them, but Dr. Collins and that team, they get pushback first from the other Christians. Even though it's the best example of science and support of the book that's ever been, that Christians that Christians that are into this stuff were raised to believe that it was south of the Dead Sea. because an old starch-collared biblical archaeologist of the 20s,

and I think it's F.W. Albright or something from Kansas who had gone over there to tell everybody that the Bible was true, he pegged it for whatever series of reasons as being south of the Dead Sea. Okay, that's important. And this is what Dr. Collins has explained very, very well, and I can't even imitate it. But what he gives textual evidence from the Bible that says that it says that where, lot went and moved his sheep and all this kind of stuff is well watered as in Egypt.

Well, first of all, south of the Dead Sea is the most forbidding dry desert on planet Earth. It's the Sinai and the Negev. I mean, nobody moves their sheep down there. But if you're north of the Dead Sea where this is. Yeah, today. Wouldn't it have been the same back then? Well, just like Egypt was green 5,000 years ago, but probably not 3,000 years ago. Right?

And it doesn't meet other geographical clues that they give in the Bible. If you follow all the stuff and reverse engineer it as Collins did and think of it without the presumptions of Allbright and the Christians, and without the presumptions of the mainstream that it's all bullshit, Collins looked at it with a new face. And he said geographically, based on what they're saying here in the Bible, I think well watered as in Egypt, it's referring to the Nile Delta. So you have the river comes up and it goes into a delta into the Mediterranean. The same thing happens with the River Jordan as it goes in the Dead Sea. It has a delta or used to. Now it's destroyed. But that was well watered as in Egypt.

It's just like, except it's upside down. It's just like Egypt there. It's like a miniature Egypt. And it's lush and green and they still grow tomatoes and bananas and weed. Hell, I was up on the top of the thing. I saw these like three or four fires at the, the farms down below. And I was like, what are they doing out there?

Grown pie? And they said, oh, the police came in. Those are raids. And they said, that's where most of your Middle Eastern weed has grown in that view, where you can see Jerusalem, Jericho, and whatnot. But that's the weed area, right? And I said, no, shit. So you're saying this was about 3,000 years, about 1,000 BC?

Yeah, 17-100. Yep. Okay. So, are there any, do you think that that was the only impact? during that time, or do you think there's other evidence of other impacts around the world during that same time? Like, assuming that we passed through that same time or other streamed when that happened and, and maybe there's some other archaeological sites that we can look at the date to 3,000 years ago? Absolutely. This episode of the podcast is brought to you by PXG. When PXG says nobody makes

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and looked for these things and took it seriously, hell, you can knock it out in a year. They need to go all around the world. For $10 million National Science Foundation grant, you could go rule this thing in or out by going to shallow aggrating soils around the world and testing their geochemistry. A key thing about, I didn't talk about the geochemistry.

But like, for example, when you go to some of the spots that you were showing earlier with the black mat in the United States, there's a trash can right here you can throw it. Is there, there's no black mat around the 3,000 year ago depth? Right. So that was probably only focused in that part of the world.

That's right, Danny. That's right. We don't think that this was a worldwide swarm. So just like Tungusca, you might have gotten. Exactly. Right. Okay. But there are other indications that we had other bad days. And those are principally defined by a dendrocanologist, a studier of tree rings named Dr. Mike Bailey in Ireland. and he actually did the first set of oak tree rings that reached all the way back 2000 years, called the long chronology, where they go take the timber and match it all up and they piece it all together and you can see the whole history of the climate over a period. So Bailey had put together around the world with others, one of the leading tree ring experts, tree rings from around the world and could see what the climate was like through two.

time. And he realized 20 years ago, probably now, that five times in the past, every damn tree on earth stopped growing. They stopped the Bristol Cone Pines in California. Their tree rings narrowed almost nothing for years. At the same time, the damn, I don't know, trees in Scandinavia did all over the world. How old are these trees again? How old are these trees again? It would have been four to, yeah, there you go. Steve, man, you put Jamie to shame, man. Look at that. Bailey noticed indications of severe environmental town turns around 25, 2354, 1628.

See how close that is to 17-Hund? Mm. 1159, 208, and AD 540, every damn tree on earth stop growing. Now, you tell me what causes that. Interesting. That's nuts. Yeah, it is nuts. So these trees just sort of, like their growth is stunted for a period of time and then they start growing again.

And then they bounce back. So presumably there was post hail of comet fragments climate change that led to difficult years for trees. But it wouldn't have been like the Yarmid Droz event. That would have been the big mofo, right? And then these are the little wounds that happen on and all. Right. But then it is suspected by, again, the British neoc catastrophists and some free-thinking historians and whatnot that a lot of cultural changes through time may have been forced by catastrophe. That it's not just one slow, steady progression that results in, you know, the naked ape with the black mirror. But actually, we get knocked around.

But the reason, actually the reason we are the naked date with the black mirror is because of the younger dryass event. And that's the importance of it. Because that is well established to be the beginning of modern man and civilization. Right. 13,000 years ago, right after the younger dry ass, well established, that that's when you started gathering into villages, domesticating animals, and growing crops right after that. and I asked the discoverer of the earliest agriculture who spoke at the Cosmets Summit 2020, coming up June 15th through 17th and just a month, the next edition. But last year, Dr. Andrew Moore, who's in his 70s and has been digging a site or dug a site Abu Herrera in the early 70s where he discovered the earliest agriculture.

And he later became, was the most recent outgoing president of the American Archaeological Institute. He's a top archaeologist. He believes there was a catastrophe 13,000 years ago because at his site, we discovered the earliest agriculture, he found evidence for impact with us. And he had been studying that site since 1972. And when he saw the data, he said, these people are owned to something. And he has now joined our team, publishes lead on the papers, and that's the kind of scientist you need. That's exactly the kind of guy. And, you know, it takes some courage, but it doesn't take a lot to come back and say, oh, those things that I thought were campfires, that was actually charcoal from the destruction, right?

So he admits his own previous, what he thinks were flawed interpretations based on new data. He looked at it again and said, holy shit, not only did I find evidence for agriculture, I found evidence for catastrophe. So I said, Dr. Moore, how soon after the catastrophe did we start growing crops, which would have been the very first agriculture on Earth? Okay, so we got shocked. We went from plucking pears to pulling plows, right? Kind of like the Bible says, you know, you went from kind of hanging out in a hunter-gatherer world, right, where you didn't grow crops and didn't have sheep and all that. You just kind of lived off the land. and then all of a sudden we kind of

it seems the impact shocked us into a different way of life and we started growing crops. So I said, Dr. Moore, how soon after the catastrophe do we start growing the crops at Abu-Rae? He said, oh, immediately, son. How quick was immediately? Like, he meant immediately,

like, you can't distinguish any time period between them. And they find their melted glass on bone. You find that elsewhere too, but yeah, there was a bad day at Abu Hara, the first side of agriculture, and it did something to us. So it turned us, and it turned us ultimately into the technological people we are today. And the, you know, society, civilized people for better or worse, because it was probably pretty nice before then. So the younger Darius lasted, we think, 1,200 years total, right?

That's right. Now, during that 1,200 year span, where we constantly, getting bombarded by cosmic impacts? Or was there only one in the beginning and the end? We don't know. Okay. I suspect and other suspect that it was a period of increased activity. And in fact, that we may have had increased activity and impacts say that that chunky part

of the TARD Meteor stream were still hitting it twice a year. Maybe we had a series of bad interactions over a couple hundred years, right? And they could have lasted. Maybe they tailed off over a thousand. We don't know, but we do know that the end of the younger dryass was every bit as dramatic as the beginning. In fact, almost more so that we pop out of a long period of climate wildness. Then we have the younger drought. You have a long period of climate wildness.

I can show you some graphs. And then. And then all of a sudden the climate warms up. And then it warms up overnight. It's like somebody's going to make a movie out of this one day. It's such a great. It's a three-part story. You've got the people before.

Then they struggle in the middle. And then the sun rises in the day and God makes it all right again or whomever. Right. And then the strangest thing to me. And then the climate stabilizes until now. Right. It is unbelievably quiescent in the last 13,000 years relative to the previous three or 400,000. Right.

So it's spiky as shit and wild, right? Yeah, can you show a graph that shows the climate for the last, whatever it is, 100,000 years or something like that? Certainly can, sir. And I'm like, do we know why as soon as the younger dryest ended, the temperature shot back up? No. So during the whole younger driest period, it was cold, right? That's right. Cold is shut.

There you go. Okay. Younger Drys, it plunges down. Okay, here's the big picture. And at the end it gets even colder. Right. And this is going back, Danny, what's it say? There's 400,000 years.

Okay. And it starts as kind of counterintuitive. The old stuff is on the right, and then it's getting younger as you go to the left. Okay. So I actually should just run the slot or it's going to look confusing. Okay, right. That's 400,000 years. Yep.

And then it goes up and down and up and down and up and down. and then you have the YD there at the end. What is that YD? That's the other dry. Yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing. And you asked a good question over dinner last night.

I said, well, I think I can answer this tomorrow. You need some visuals. But I think you were heading towards, well, boy, that looks really wild back there. What's different about the younger dryass? Right. What distinguishes it from those other wild ones? Well, first of all, it was a pretty good dip. So it was a good dip in of its own in comparison to.

it's others that preceded it. But none of those animals when it stink. Those same animals live through that 400,000 years. And then in that final dip, you lose 200 species. 55 genera of animals.

That red line, that's the beginning of the younger drives, the end of the younger dries. Damn near both. Oh, so it's just like the whole period. Yeah. Let me see, what's the next slide? At the start of East... massive explosions, intense firestorms, habitat destruction, toxic chemical, sun, climate change.

What about humans? And this is interesting. So I'm a North Carolinian, but I love the Southern State, South Carolina. And you can see that is records of Clovis points, these wonderful spear points that came from these people. Okay. So that's every Clovis point that's been recorded in South Carolina. Okay. And then after the younger dryus, you never see another Clovis point.

You never, so their Clovis people are gone. But you still see spear points, but it changes to what archaeologists would say, a different technology. How is it different? It's just a different kind of arrowhead. That you don't say, they don't make them like this, no-mo. They make them, they call them redstones. But see how few of those there are? so it seems like there was a population collapse

that there are a lot of Clovis points and many fewer redstones so is that a proxy for population? I don't know. Maybe they didn't need airheads as much and wanted to change their technology. I don't know, but it suggests that humans had a very bad day too.

Right. And then there are all sorts of weird stuff, man. I tell you one that a lot of people don't know about, you know, there's so many people become and educated on this stuff, which is wonderful. I remember when everybody that knew about this could fit in a car. And in fact, sometimes we did. And now, because of Rogan and yourself and all the wonderful communicators,

just watched it blossom. You know, where am I heading? I'm getting romantic there with watching all this over the last 17 years. Oh, gosh, I lost my train of thought. But the human population collapse is a very, here's another one. points clovus to redstone. So those are Clovis on the right. So you've got eight to one Clovis in Virginia to Redstone, five to one.

So it just seems like there were many fewer people. It looks pretty similar, though. One looks smoother. Oh, I know what I was going to say. A paper came out. So everybody, a lot of people are getting educated on this. So I want to throw in some new stuff. One is that a paper came out a couple years ago.

It must have 30, 40, 40, all things. on it is a genetics paper. And it said that they had determined that 13,000 years ago, the composition of males to females changed. So what's the composition today? You know, it's like 52, 48. I think there are a few more gals than guys, right? But it's, you always think it's 50-50.

After the, during the younger dry, us, during that period, it went to, I believe the number is 17 women for every man. Right. How the hell did that happen? What kind of weird world? And why did it change things that way? If we're right about our thing, and if we're not right about our thing,

what the hell happened? Why would... Would it be from maybe hunting or... It's stress. Or fighting? Yeah, there's some indication that stress and cold may change the composition. boys to girls.

But they also says the paper's interesting. What is it? Combat. You know, this is just the genes. That they were literally, whatever, 17 times more men than women or women than men.

So, yeah, there's just a lot still to be learned. It's still coming out and those people were not interested in proving the younger driest impact, but it helps provide an explanation for the data that they're getting. So is the idea that the more women

survived than men? No, that something would have changed the balance of births from women to men. Let's see if I can find that paper. So this

it's been a while since I've done this, but I think is a proxy for the what happened. Okay. The transition to Human reproductive bottleneck related to the Younger Dryest cooling event. That's right. Okay. Right?

And that's in their paper. So what they're saying is that it started. See, you can see, there's a little bit at once. So our very bad day was right there. Was right there. And then it starts going down. So there are more women than men. So before the Younger Dryest, this was an ice age?

We were coming out of an ice age. In fact, right before the younger dry ice, I've heard it said that it was pretty much like it is now. Right? And then we slipped. But way more ice. But way more ice. Exactly. That there was a lot of ice still left over.

And believe it or not, it takes a long time for that stuff to melt. So it could be just as warm. Well, we've got Greenland today. You've got places that aren't especially cold, but are still got a couple of miles of ice on them, right? Right. I mean, they're cold. But, but, but, yeah. So it was pretty much like today.

And then temperatures drop, you know, 15 to 20 degrees in the northern hemisphere almost overnight. And then that changed the male to female composition. And then it plummets not long after. Now, this is not the comment research groups, data interpretation. This is just, you know, me, pajama scientists and whatnot. Okay. But a lot of people notice that. But one of the, they could have attributed it or at least included our hypothesis as perhaps a cause.

but we're kind of radioactive. The Younger Dry Sympath, the hypothesis is forbidden, you know, in many laboratories because it's so radical, so they don't bring us up. But what do they attribute it to? And this blew my mind. Innovations and transportation technology, e.g. the invention of the wheel, horse, and camel domestication, and open water sailing. Now, those are interesting developments in humans. The thing is, they all happen six, seven thousand years after this.

So basically, they're supporting Graham Hancock. They're saying that 13,000 years ago, or immediately thereafter, that we were open water sailing? Well, hell, that's more radical than saying there was an impact. So I don't know how, particularly given all of the authors on this thing. They're saying when, when, I'm sorry, well, I'm confused. When did they say the open water sailing and the wheel started? Then. When?

13,000 years ago, whenever the drop came. They're attributing this. So at least more than... It happened at the beginning? Yeah, this would have been kind of right at the end. That's when it starts. So I don't know how long that is. That's to 10,000 years ago.

So then it drops dramatically after that. So what they're saying is that dramatic drop 10,000 years ago. Okay. Would have been due to open water sailing the invention of the wheel. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm thinking that graph was climate. That graph is population... Yeah.

Okay. or their main point, what the balance of girls. So, go back up. I want to look at that graph. God, I'm feeling weak on this, and I wish I'd read it before we came in. It's going to scroll a little bit down. Go back to that colored graph,

and we're just looking at it. Okay. Southeast and East Asia is the blue, and this is population, or this is region, okay. Yeah. Now, human reproductive bottleneck related to the younger drives.

So this is just overall... I guess it's decline in population. and also the change. Yeah, because you're not going to have as many people if you go through many generations of 17 women to one man. It's interesting that the Africans didn't drop until way after. Everybody else uniformly dropped together. Yeah, excellent, Steve.

Africa didn't really get hit too bad, right? Because a lot of the bigger animals survived in Africa. Exactly. And think of this. What of an insult it is to those hunters that there's still elephants around. If the Clovis people could come in and in 250 years take out every mammoth,

not to mention an armadillo the size of a golf cart, who the hell eats the last one is? Bear, Sabre 2 Tigers. Exactly, the short-faced cave bear? Who goes in, while there is still a squirrel anywhere that you could go and kill and eat? Why would you go eat the last short-faced bear? Right.

Or the last glypidon. I mean, people don't eat armadillos today. The hungriest man in South America doesn't eat armadillos. Right? But we ate every single last one of them. That's absolutely, you know, preposterous. Right. So big changes during this period.

And you see that throughout science. You can see paper after paper after paper describing incredible things that happened 13,000 years ago. The problem is they just don't have what are to some an incredible answer. There's an equally astonishing answer. What do I don't remember I remember there was a part of the debate with Graham and Flint Dibble

where they talked about the younger dryas I don't did Flint argue against the I know he said he wasn't an expert in this I think he dodged it did he dodge it yeah I think he did and you think I would pay more closer attention to that part of it but yeah Luke Caverns who's speaking at the Cosmets

doing a great rundown very honest one But treating both sides because Flint did a good job. He did a great job. He did a great job. Yeah, I was very impressed. I was quite literally, I was super impressed. He really did a good job filling in the blanks for a lot of the things that Graham talks about.

And Graham's a very charismatic talker. He's very intelligent. You know, he's got the great British accent. And he has a lot of really interesting theories. And he spent his whole life doing this. Yeah. But I might want to mention here, Flint does. is entitled to a free pass and hotel rooms of the Cosmint Summit.

Please join us, Flint. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be really cool, man. But, you know, something happens when you feel like you're on the right side of an argument or on the right side of history. Yeah. And you feel like you're battling against the darkness, right? Where if you can easily go too far and go full circle and become the very thing that you're fighting

against. And I think you have to be very careful not to do that and pay attention to the nuance. And that's why I'm so glad that that Flint Dibble debate happened because it opened my eyes to think, look, like he made the point himself, are there shitty people out there that do shitty things? Yeah, there are. And do I think that it was right for him to group Graham Hancock and with white supremacist? Hell no.

Like, that's a really shitty thing to do. but the guy since he's married to a very beautiful black woman yeah but the guy you know the guy you can't paint all conventional archaeologists and academics that way

I think that's gonna be I think I hope that's something that people learn from that podcast because Flint is obviously very intelligent he's obviously spent his life excavating these places and and if you go on Reddit you'll see I think most people

believe that Graham got body bagged on that podcast. That's okay. I just hope that more archaeologists see how Flint handled it and try to move to more that posture. Now, it wasn't perfect. I think he probably was playing

really, really nice. And I think probably when his echo chamber is in full howl about Graham, Flint might be saying some things about the other team that didn't quite as respectful as he was on. But that's just, he seemed like a perfectly nice guy

I'd love to have a, you know, at a conference. And you see that happen, too, with all areas of expertise, you see there's people who are, they go the academic route and they're in college their whole lives. They're publishing papers on publishing journals and stuff like that. And then you have people who are, they just do it as a hobby, and maybe they post stuff online and they become wildly popular. Maybe they publish a book.

They become famous. They get all this attention. And you have the people that have been doing this, been, you know, drudgy. through this in academia, not getting any attention for it, that get bitter. That's right. And it's completely understandable. It is absolute human nature.

And I think there is a phenomenon underway that you're getting to there too, that is a result of the internet. And what it is, I look at Egyptologists. I mean, how many in the world could there be? A thousand? Topps? 2000? Okay. And they're going to be some intelligent Egyptologists.

And in fact, most of your Egyptologists are probably going to be more scottologists. and intelligent than us, right? Because they're PhDs and on, you know, really need obscure, difficult subject. But outside of those 2,000 people, you've got another 8 billion people who do not have the credential. But some percentage of them are going to become very interested in Egypt. And some percentage of them are going to know more than the Egyptologists. It's mathematically inevitable because the pool is so much larger. And 50 years ago, it didn't matter.

The people, first of all, couldn't educate themselves outside the institutions like they can now. But now you get curious pajama scientists that go and look at Egypt and study up. I mean, I very frequently, I've been to Egypt three times. I've seen a lot of educated tourists, if you will, like me, that knew more than the Egyptologists in certain parts. of Egypt in certain stories because a lot of them are siloed in their own little part of Egypt in one site and one thing. And then you find these people from around the world that get into it that take it all in and have a fresh view at it and I think might have a more intuitive, intelligent, free-thinking

approach to that. And I think that's happening in science after scientific discipline after discipline after discipline, where now it's the world crowdsourcing of knowledge, and you're always going to come up with some super smart experts that don't have their credentials on the internet versus the 20th century model, which is you don't know anything about this stuff until you go spend eight years getting a PhD and don't say anything until then. So I think that phenomenon is going to continue, and I think that's good. I think it was valuable to have the old model and have super educated experts that we anointed as the knowledgeable. but I think it is wonderful that the world is now coughing up extraordinary people that are autodidactic, you know, that have educated themselves. Randall Carlson being a fantastic example.

Right. Yeah, no, it's definitely a good thing. Yeah. I think it's a good thing that, you know, it's drawn more attention to things like Egypt. And I'm sure I'm a vast majority of people that visit Egypt go there because of a YouTube video they saw or documentary they watch. You know, and, you know, that's another interesting thing. I would be really curious to hear some of these guys like Flint's explanation for, like, these vases or those giant sawblade marks that Ben finds or those giant scoop marks in those obelisks.

I just had the snake bros on here a couple weeks or a couple months ago. And, you know, they were showing a bunch of the sites around there with those megalithic blocks that are stacked on top of each other. They're a great example, man. The snake brothers are. you know, they're going to be certain. They're not going to be able to read hieroglyphics like some Egyptologists can and whatnot. But those guys are developing a body of knowledge that I think would be roughly comparable. They're reading all the papers. That's what you do in PhD school anyway is read the papers. And then they're having to communicate. Now the PhD candidate has to

write it all out in the 200-page thesis. But the Snake Brothers got to talk about it for a hundred hours. Those guys know what the hell they're talking about. And they've walked the walk. They're going over there regularly, they just spent six weeks there. So I think their knowledge is, you know, we got to, we got to do it all. It killed me that Graham didn't bring up the vases. On the podcast. That is the most productive thing going on in unconventional history. I would love, to hear their explanation for that. You know, that's such a layup now. And I think it's a little bit because Graham's justifiably, he's of a different generation of these studies. He's got his game. And I don't know why he couldn't incorporate this at the last minute, but because this

stuff is all new with the vases. But it's the most productive work being done now to say, hey, guys, we need to take another look at our history because the people before the pharaohs made something so perfect that it would be extraordinarily difficult to make now. In fact, we'd have to make tools that we don't even have now. No one tries to make something like this out of solid granite now because it's just too damn hard. Could we do it? Yeah, but you'd have to stand a team up. You'd have to invent some new tools and new approaches.

And hell, just to measure their perfection, you have to have tools that we didn't have 20 years ago. They're 30 years ago. You know, the point cloud scanners that they're determining the protection. the perfection from, we didn't have the ability. How do you make something so perfect when you don't have the tool to even determine the perfection? And to think it was made before the pharaohs, and the mainstream will tell you that. Now, these are, this is a 3D print or a 3D, yeah, a 3D print that was done from a scan from one of the original bases, right? That's exactly right.

So, right, how do you take the hardest, one of the hardest stones that exists on Earth, and create something that looks like was built on a pottery wheel with these little handles that are built into it. They're part of it. They're not added on after. So that rules that out. It's almost like they put them there just to tease you and say, hey, by the way, let's just make sure you know I didn't turn this. This wasn't turned at least at that part. Now, what they do?

At that part, they wouldn't use their copper chisels. Now, these are also some of the, these are the only ancient Egyptian artifacts. that have been like 3D scanned with laser scanners from like I know the aerospace department at Rolls-Royce with Christopher Dunn's son they were part of a big scanning project with Matt's vases he donated some of them to those guys so they could actually scan them actually Adam Young did oh Adam Young did they're two patrons okay thankfully and both of them were well-set individuals and they scanned them and they basically determined that these things are perfectly symmetrical within like one 1,000th of an inch or something like that?

That's right. That generation of scans was all from Adam, and he's speaking at the Cosmets Summit. And Matt Bell is coming to the Cosmit Summit, who is a tremendous patron of these objects as well now in collecting them and scanning them himself. And, you know, Bell's got the resources to keep it going. And he's also got the passion, as does Adam. They're both tremendous, you know, I guess relatively new additions, at least they're, new additions to the Cosmic Summit team, if you will. Do we know if we could actually recreate a,

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But it's not something that is done now at all. Because there's no reason for that perfection. That's another thing. You know, usually perfection, you know, form follows function. Well, if your function requires precision, then you go ahead and come up with the best, you know, the most precise thing you can to accomplish that. Right. But why on earth a thousand years or countless thousands of years before pharaonic Egypt were, were essentially, you know, paleo people somehow making this.

And it's a really neat thing. Thank goodness that it's already accepted by mainstream that it is not produced in dynastic Egypt. That it's a people before. And what they do, you know, they find them where they're found in the underneath Sakara where obviously, oh gosh, what's his name? That pharaoh had collected them, put them down in the bottom, and somebody went and broke a whole bunch of them, right? And then a bunch else went to museums around the world. But where did those come from?

We also find them, and they have been found and documented, and this is where they apparently come from and where they were gathered in that instance, in pre-dynastic graves, right? where people before the pharaohs and there were people in egypt long before there was ever a pharaoh and bliss and pyramids and whatnot there were people there so in their graves they find them buried with with both these perfect vases and also the same crude vases that were made during the pharaonic times because you can find things that look like this that are made out of alabaster for instance right much softer, easier to do, and they're imitating it. And they're not perfect. That's right. And they didn't bother to during the

dynastic period to go and do it out of granted. They did it and you can see that at the Sakara Museum. That you got these very pretty alabaster bases and they're quite an accomplishment in themselves. But you find both of them, even in the pre-Dynastic garrays, which suggests to me that they were

faking them too, but burying their people with vases that they got from people before them. So it goes back to, you know, Hancock et al's belief that there was what I call a precursor civilization. A people before that had extraordinary technology of some sort, and this is some of their leftovers. Right. Yeah.

And if there was some sort of super advanced civilization here before the younger dries, you'd imagine some of them. escaped. Someone who got off the planet in their spaceships. Yeah. Randall thinks that's where the UFAs came from. They went to the moon. They went to the moon. He told me that at, uh, down when we went to Rogan. He did? Oh yeah, we stayed off late in the suite, man, and just had a damn skull session. What is it? What does he say about? What does he say specifically? He said they breakaway civilization. And they lived on the moon? And then they went to the moon. Really? On the dark side? The moon's a very strange thing. Did you see that recent thing? What was that? There was a

recent, something happened. It was like in the Congress or something or a Senate hearing where there was a guy from the head of NASA was saying that China was about to research the dark side of the moon or something like that. And they asked them, like, if we knew anything, he's like, oh, no, we haven't studied any of that stuff. But we're going to let China do it or something. Did you see that? No, I know that they, I just saw yesterday, they've come out with the best lunar Atlas now. Like China's got the best map of the moon. And I'm sure. that includes. And they did send a probe to the other side, not, you know, last year. So China is looking at the other side. And why is there another side? You know, Danny, one thing that I like point out about the moon and I learned this subsequently or heard it again from Randall and other people like Malcolm Bendal. But I had even kind of discovered it 20, 30 years ago. I saw pointed out that, you know, there depends on how you count on, say, 209 moon. moons in the solar system, if you went and looked at all the moons around every planet, because some of them have multiple ones. So there are a bunch of them. None of them, as would be expected mathematically, perfectly occlude the sun. They do not have eclipses. Do we know that for a fact? Yeah. How do we know that? Because you know the size of the object. So you know if you're on Jupiter, right, and you're looking at, and you measure Callisto, a moon of Jupiter. Or is that Saturn? God, I'm going to make mistakes outside of my.

that if that's pretty easy to figure out, you know, that thing is that size, would it cover the sun perfectly? Right. No. Right? And mathematically, just think about it. There's no, what's the likelihood of one object that's in front of you between you and another object being perfectly matching it? In other words, and this is what causes it, the moon is one four hundred the diameter of the sun. So you'd stretch out 400 moons, you'd have to hammer the sun.

But the sun is 400 times further away. Those are exact. Those two numbers needed to meet to make it right in the middle. Right? Talk about hitting the lottery. Exactly, Danny. Exactly. So the likelihood of any one object doing that,

it's much more likely it's going to be a tad bigger, a tad smaller, a shitload bigger, a shitload smaller. But ours, for whatever reason, and it also always faces us, that's not always the case either. I don't think it's the case in any of them. We've got an unusual moon. Are you saying that all the other moons rotate? Ours rotates, but in a way that it always faces us. Tidal-ly locked.

Yeah, tidily locked. There you guys, Steve. Exactly. And I do not believe that is the case. in the other ones, but I know that none of them perfectly included. So we are the only planet that enjoys an eclipse. Yeah. Kind of makes you think somebody put it there.

So I don't want to watch this whole three-minute video. What is the fuss all about with this? We are using commercial enterprises to bear the cost of landers of which we put NASA instruments that in effect becomes scouts for us before we ever send our astronauts to that part of the moon. Now, is that what your question is? Yeah, we're trying to get at what's the Chinese are doing you think on the back side of the moon.

Do you have any insights in that? They are going to have a lander on the far side of the moon, which is the side that's always in dark. We're not planning to go there. Now, it's not always in dark, though. What's the benefit of doing so? We don't know what's on the backside of the moon. So that would be something that they would discover.

But our decision is that it's more profitable for us to go to the South Pole of the moon because we think that's where the water is. Why do you think they made that decision? I'm curious. I have no idea. Right. So China, we know China is doing something and we're not going to try to beat them to it. That seemed to define the term.

willful ignorance, where you're like, yeah, no, I just don't want to know. Right. When have we ever done that in the history of this country? That's creepy stuff, man. And he got him on his heels there. Yeah. He didn't have a ready answer. You know, maybe something's over there.

Yeah, man, the moon is a mystery. It is. It is. And, I mean, I remember seeing as a six-year-old of moon landing and then growing up, thinking, oh, you know, we had space 1999, and we were all going to, I'm just old enough to remember back when we thought that we were going to populate the damn solar system

in my lifetime. And shit. Nothing's stagnant. Just nothing's happened, man. And I found that all very odd. Yeah, something doesn't add up. Yeah, man. It's super weird. Randall seems to know a lot about that.

He didn't really want to talk about it too much when he came on here, though. Yeah, I hope I didn't over tall, but I do know that he finds the moon significant. And it used to be the younger dryest event and UFOs had absolutely nothing to do with each other. And now you hear it, you know, is it a breakaway civilization? Is it somebody who got the hell out of there that had a lot of capabilities, but they just didn't have the capability to stave off that day? Or they left. It happened, and we are somehow an intended result? I don't know. But we are from it, and now we're looking back discovering it and at the same time finding out about the people who may have broken camp and gotten away.

I don't know. That's pure speculation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's also, like, we look for planets that are just like ours that we imagine that would inhabit life, right? But there's way more water worlds out there than there are planets like. ours in the quote in the Goldilocks zone or whatever that I have like you know the perfect amount of oxygen or whatever and um you know it would be far likely that if there was a another species

or alien species that was on another planet it would likely be adapted and live in a water world and you know a lot of these like recent UFO sightings have shown these submergeable vehicles are these vehicles that can traverse mediums. They come out of the ocean and they go back into the ocean and disappear. And if they were hiding here, that would be the best place for them to hide because that's the one place that's been explored. We've only explored like, I think it's like 17% of all the ocean floor. Well, let's not get into that double Hancock thing.

Boy, they went over that percentage of. Oh, my God, yeah. And Graham was kind of way off on his. He said one percent has been explored. Oh, that's 30,000 acres. and no one's excavated 30,000 acres. If you call explored or studied, he was way off on that. So, yeah, we've studied virtually none of the Sahara and virtually none of the oceans.

And hell yes, if somebody was hiding out, if they wanted to hide, that would be the place to do it. But I'm also, if not a pajama scientist already out of my way over my skis. I'm also a radical pansepermist. and have you ever come across the term pansepermia? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's the idea that rocks or meteorites from somewhere else hit here and that they contained biological material. Yeah.

And then the radical part is where I am. But I come by it honestly, I'm pretty good friends. I'm very good friends. And have been for over a decade with the world's most prominent panseparmist. And he is coming. You will meet him in the cosmic summit. Dr. Chandra Wickramas Singhha. Right?

And he is a, I think the world's greatest living scientist. And one way you can tell that is you don't know his name. But if you go back and look, he published 70 papers in nature from 1970 to about 82 or so with Sir Fred Hoyle, who was the greatest scientist of the 20th century in Great Britain. and they were at Cambridge, and Chandra was actually so intelligent that the Queen gave him a scholarship, an Empire scholarship, to come from Sri Lanka as a boy, and he got on a steamship and was delivered to England as one of the most intelligent people in the Empire. They had like a scholarship program, so they'd, you know, England ruled the world, and they say, who's the smartest ones out there? We'll let them come to Cambridge or Oxford. So Chandra was able to as a young boy, and he was kind of delivered into the hands of surfred oil.

And they, Fred had defined how the sun works, and then they discovered and published that what was cosmic dust out there, gigantic dust clouds out in interstellar space, that that dust was actually organic molecules, right, which is the, as they say, I hate this term, the building blocks of life. That's all the, you know, the, God, what do you call the, astrobiologists. Well, they're always looking for the building blocks life. They're never looking for life. I always the building blocks. So, and they define that and said, holy cow, well, this stuff is not just dust. It's not little pieces of graphite.

It's actually, you know, carbon-based molecules just like life is. And then it stopped there. the their changing of what we understand is out there, but they didn't stop. Fred and Chandra went on and said, we went and took the spectra, and Stevie Mike, search Mustafa spectra panspermia. Mustafa, that's right, and we'll see if we can get it. They went and looked at one and then images. Yes, sir. Oh, God.

Okay, put in, I hate to do this to you, but put in oil instead of Wickramus Singh. Instead of what? Yeah, I'm going to find it. Yeah, Hoyle. I just want, what they did. Hoyle or Hoy-O-L-E. There it is. Okay, see that little graph on the second row?

Far right. Far right. Yeah, that's common Halley. They also did it to other places. Okay. Okay, is that, I can't quite see. But the other ones, what they did is they tested the spectra from interstellar clouds, and they match E. coli among other things.

Bacteria. Exactly. So you've got the spectra there of bacteria laying upon the spectra. There you go. The prediction for bacteria. And then the light that they see from these giant clouds. Well, what of odds that it matches? So then they said, that's life.

And then people all of a sudden, oh, you can't have life in space? No, man, no, no, no, no, no. We're not talking about little. There are huge classes, and we discover more and more of microorganisms that have the ability to survive incredible conditions. That streamophiles. And first of all, why the hell would evolution endow them with the ability to survive the vacuum of space and radiation, et cetera, and so forth. But they go into hibernation.

Not only that, so they could be out there in a just-add water and warmth environment, and it would come back. But it could take you even further. So that's way out there in interstellar space, and maybe you have grains of life out there,

which is unbelievable enough and not accepted. But Chandra maintains that it's everywhere in space, okay, that it is coming in every day all the time. And here's how. That if you're a spec, and that Comet Halley, for instance, that all comets are seething, boiling viral containers, that they're absolutely full of life. And then as they shed dust particles, which float into the atmosphere all the time, and that's all well accepted, little particles is always dust coming in from comets, that within those dust particles, that's how the life is protected, right? Now, it's not living necessarily at the moment, but the dust particle is

I don't know, 100,000 times larger, let's say, literally on those scales than a virus. And that viruses are raining down on the earth constantly, and that evolution, Darwinian evolution is certainly a big factor and a starting point, but that evolution has been guided by transmissions of outside molecular DNA from space, which is coming in all the time, and in fact, most viral outbreaks are the result, the 1918 Spanish influenza. People were infected in Boston on the same day as Bombay. Well, they didn't have jets back then. Really? Yeah. You can't shake hands that fast, right? That they're all sorts of things like that, right? And they wrote paper after paper in nature, and none of them were adequately refuted,

but it was never accepted that life is absolutely omnipotent. You can't get away from it. I'll give you a great example. The Russians, I'll give you a good one here, Steve, we'll get right to it. Cosmic Tusk, I-S-S, like International Space Station, Plankton.

Cosmic Tusk, which is my website. The Russians took, you think they'd have a, different kind of specialty tool, but a tampon and swiped that big tourist window on the space station. They got like a big round one where they can kind of hang out and look down at the earth and stuff. There you go. Microbes entombed in cosmic dust collected from outside surface of the space station window. They swiped it, I think, 10 times in six years. I forget the exact numbers.

Every one of them came back with the scum on the outside of the wind. shield were diatoms, the little... Oh, diatoms. Yeah. Bacteria, viruses, diatomaceous plankton, tartarids, fungi. That this stuff is raining down more or less constantly. I'm not sure why I put tardy grades in there. But that was an incredible paper.

The Russians published this paper that said that we went and tested their scum outside the space station that is clearly life and it's not contaminated. They were very careful with it and whatnot, right? And what are their choices then? Either it came up with, and all of them are incredible. Chandra? Yeah. Published 75 papers in nature?

Yeah, with Sir Fred Hoyle in the 70s and 80s. That's right. Saying all this. Eubiquitous microbes in cosmic dust would ultimately be found. Remember that particle of dust is orders of magnitude larger than the life particle. So it makes a great little spaceship. Think about a spaceship. You're that tiny little virus, and you've got this gigantic dust particle.

That's plenty to protect you, right? But then you come into the atmosphere. That stuff flakes off. Then it's a free-roaming virus, and it reverse RNAs its way, you know, I guess that's what you call it, into the evolutionary stream. And that's why we get dramatic jumps, like the Cambrian explosion, where all of a sudden we went from, X number of life forms to 10 X number of life forms, right? And things like the octopus came along.

And this gets to what you're saying, these water worlds. What Chandra would tell you is that everything we see here had an origin somewhere else, DNA-wise. Right. So you see that crazy-looking jellyfish. And he say, how the hell did a baboon and a jellyfish? Right. Both in all of us wonder that. And what they do is the same thing with geology.

They say, well, just give it a lot of time. That makes a lot of sense. Wow. Yeah, just give it five billion years, and we trust us. You can get a jellyfish on one side and a baboon on the other. And you can't really refute that. Okay, I guess a lot of time, anything can happen. Makes a hell of a lot more sense to me that there is a damn jellyfish world out there,

and there is a baboon world out there, and there is a spider world out there, and there's some that are spider-heavy and, have some baboons and maybe there's something baboon, you know, that, and we're a zoo, we're a zoo of life, not necessarily a unique one by any means, but some planets might be tilted more towards one kind of thing. It might be more insectian, another one might be more mammals and so on and so forth. And that soup is constantly coming in. Wow. And, you know, here's the greatest thing about that paper. Okay, so then the Russians, and I kept looking out somehow, I've missed it, but I'm like, God, this is going to make worldwide news. We finally discovered life in space.

And because it was reported, plankton found on outside of space station, and then nothing, crickets, just like always, on the really important stuff. And then I found out subsequently, it took a few years. They published a paper in 2018, where they said, we've only got two choices here. The Russians did. they said either it came from above or we it came from below they did not think it was contaminated at launch right that it wouldn't have stayed that scum wouldn't have right right and the thing was inside the space station window was launched years ago anyway right and it's already been going whatever so it didn't didn't one on launch so they said an as yet unidentified mechanism must be whipping say the diatoms were traced to the barren sea it had the same kind of diatom you find in the Barents Sea up in the northern hemisphere. They said, the ocean waves must whip it into the air and then some kind of yet to be fully explained, electromagnetic force lifted it 400 kilometers out into space from the Barents

sea, and that's why you find it out there, or it came from above and life is absolutely fucking everywhere. and they hedged and they kind of went with the other explanation. Okay. That it came, that there's some mechanism. Well, first of all, if that mechanism is true, it means life's everywhere. It means we're seeding life. It means panspermia is true either way.

Either we're sending it out and other people could catch it or it's coming down and we're getting it. But then it gets even cooler. Then the lead author of the paper that hedged, little noticed, but very serious paper, all these people had access to shit from the space station. These are not pajama scientists. The Russian serious Russian scientists with access to very special materials. They hedged. Then TV Grabinokova, one of the lead authors, after the hedged paper, immediately published another paper with Shandra and the Panseparmas crowd and said, basically bullshit.

I don't believe it. I think it came from above. It's the only reasonable answer. So she switched teams. She went from the neutral team. to Chandra's team. And Chandra's coming to Greensboro next month. And, you know, he's, I think he's 85 years old.

And I felt bad about, I was like, Shandra, do you really want to make this trip, man? Because we can have you virtual. And he's such a cool dude, man. He's like, I wouldn't miss it from the world. So he's going to give the keynote at the Cosmic Summit, actually. Yeah, well, I mean, it would make sense that, you know, we're a planet that's packed with life.

Why wouldn't we have just tons of, of of microscopic life and bacteria surrounding us, right? Like, coming, I mean, I mean, not coming from other places, coming from us. Like, right? If we're this big ball of life, why wouldn't we have little bits of microscopic organic material just floating around the outer atmosphere where the space station is? Or at least during, and this is mainstream starting to accept this, at least during impacts when things are kicked into orbit.

Right. It would shoot stuff out that way. Yes. I would be curious to see if we've ever, you know, have any of, has any research like this been done from any of the rovers or any of the things we've sent to Mars? Oh, yeah. We tested for life and we found it in 1977, the Viking lander, you know, that, um, um, Dr. Levin, Gavin, what is his name? The principal investigator, the head guy for testing life when we landed the Viking landers, published a thing he's been saying it for. 40 years, but he just published in Scientific American about two or three years ago and said,

listen, damn it, I ran the life test and we found life. And there is a certain resistance in the field of astrobiology, in my view, is the most fucked up discipline on Earth. It is the most self-defeating, timid, a bunch of bullshitters that ever were. They'll never address this stuff. They'll only go so far. They're only looking for building blocks. And then we never tested again.

There has not been a direct life detection instrument aboard any rover since. They can only test for the building blocks. Because it was ruled out. You know, and here's a good one. Bill Clinton held a press conference in the Rose Garden and Fett said we found life on Mars. Did you know that? I did not know that. Google that one, Steve, because that's on.

you did. What conference? Bill Clinton, Life on Mars. Bill Clinton, Life on Mars, yeah. Yeah. What year did he say that? It was probably 90, yeah, 97 or 98. It looks like 96 right here. A group of scientists found features, oh, you don't see it.

A group of scientists found features of likeness of microscopic fossils of bacteria and a meteorite. Oh, no, that's not it. That's it. That's it. There's an meteorite. Suggesting that these organisms also originated on Mars, the claims immediately made headlines worldwide culminating in the U.S. President Bill Clinton giving a speech about it.

We did that we discovered life on another planet speech. Hell, the president gave it. Right. You can go hit videos and it'll come up and you say Bill Clinton says it's a monumental day we found life on Mars. Look at that. I mean, this is not a conspiracy theory. The damn president said it. It's a travesty. It's a sociological travesty that somehow the bureaucracies cannot get past the pursuit of the supposed pursuit of the supposed pursuit of of life and go ahead and say we found it 100 different ways. There have been

all sorts of stuff seen in meteorites that suggest life. But it's the bar they'll move the goalpost to beyond whatever they did. And they beat the hell out of the scientists who brought it to the president. And they ended up, Richard Hoover and those guys had they told them to shut the fuck up about it, that they were

probably wrong. It could be other things. Because you see on those, in that media right, you see these, little things that look biological. And they come up with any other explanation that would be just as a, it's like discovering life is, you know, the old thing that it's extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That is the most harmful statement in the history of modern science. Carl Sagan, you know, throw ashes on his damn grave. I mean, he said that. And that is now come the go-to place. No, no. You don't need extraordinary evidence for a extraordinary claim. You need evidence. There's evidence is evidence is evidence. It doesn't need to be any more extraordinary just because of the claim. Now, you're going to have to run it down. You're going to have to double check. So now you bring forward any evidence, and they say, well, that's just not extraordinary

enough. Right. You know, so I don't know. I'm getting into kind of my pet peeves here, and I don't want to get like Graham, get all angry. But yeah, there's something going on out there where we just can't, we can't break through to the truth that's self-evident before us. So now, transitioning a little bit, so a couple months ago, we had, Randall was in here, we did a couple podcasts with him. One of the podcasts he did, he dedicated specifically to this crazy new energy thunderstorm generator machine.

that this wild character Malcolm Bendahl came up with. And Randall was kind of explaining it. He didn't really fully understand how it works. So he couldn't do a great job. Self admittedly didn't do a great job like explaining mechanistically and scientifically how it worked. But he did a great job of explaining like how it relates to sacred geometry and all the stuff. And he showed us videos of people holding these carbon measurements. devices behind the exhaust of an engine it was hooked up to, like a power washer type engine it was hooked up to.

Exactly. The exhaust contained like it was essentially the same oxygen that we breathe every day in the atmosphere. And this guy, is he going to be at the Cosmic Summit event? He is. I spoke with him yesterday unless I debunk the device. and I have two of them now in my own possession in a secret laboratory in Raleigh, North Carolina. And it's a long, crazy story. So I first met the amazing Malcolm Bindle with Randall when we went down to, for them to record on Joe Rogan.

So Brad one of Randall's guys called me and said, hey, you won't drive him down there? I said, hell, yeah, I'll drive him down there. So rented a big Cadillac and said, me and Randall got into it, said, well, let's make it fun and make it a field trip. Let's go see some Indian mounds and shit like that, you know, on the way down and come back. Yeah. And so run of this big Cadillac, I got down there, and there was this little bald man from Tasmania. And I said, is he coming?

Is he going on the show with you? He says, yeah, we'll bring him on the show. I said, well, God, I mean, this guy's controversial, but this should be an interesting road trip. So I get in the car and he starts talking, you know. And I actually had 10 years experience, believe it or not, with a cold fusion company that I'm arms-linked from but kind of out of front-row seat on some serious cold fusion research, mainstream cold fusion, if you will. So I was particularly skeptical of that someone had made a device that exploited, you know. Can you explain cold fusion? Yeah, well, cold fusion is a catch-all term for the ability to fuse transatlantic.

transmute and make atomic changes under rather prosaic conditions, normal temperatures, normal, that you're changing things and exploiting and potentially deriving energy from atomic mechanisms without the traditional approaches, right, like nuclear reactors, and you don't have radiation. And that was from 1989, a couple of electrochemists in the University of Utah. I remember it very well. It was just getting out of college. I thought there's going to be a wonderful new world in front of us.

Came out and said, we got lightning in a bottle. There'll be endless energy for all. It was on the cover of every magazine. Front news on, you know, every major national newscast. And it was like, holy shit, this is the big breakthrough. Great. I'm just getting out of college, and everything will be different. And the president appointed a panel to look into their claims.

And six weeks later, they came back and said, nope, didn't happen. and those two men were hounded out of the United States. They suffered every indignity that a top scientist, which they were, could possibly study because of the inability supposedly to replicate their findings. And that has been well debunked that it wasn't replicated. MIT, in fact, not only replicated it, but then covered up the replication, claimed they didn't do it and help fuel the lynch mob that came after Pons and Flashman. So that was the beginning of modern of cold fusion. You know, Tesla was on to it too. And Malcolm Vendal will give everyone credit back there to his credit.

He said, I'm a rediscover that he can name a dozen people in the 20th century that had the magic. And a lot of them, it didn't end well, including Tesla. So he gives them credit. He also believes the ancients had it. So he's a rediscover. Okay, so I get in the car when. and I said, well, I can't call bullshit on the guy on a five-day car trip. I mean, that's just going to get really awkward.

So I'm just going to be as open-minded as you can get and just, yep, tell me more, you know, blah, blah, blah. And he told the craziest series of tales on the way down to Austin over two days I have ever heard in my life. I mean assassinations and revolutions involved in the Nicaraguan Revolution and Putin, gating his girlfriend, and he hung out with the top scientist in China, the golden brain of China, and the China, he was smuggling Bibles into China. I mean, these crazy tales. And I didn't really explicitly think it, but I figured, well, they're going to go on to Rogan that we'll talk about this technology, and this guy's got apparently this interesting life. And then he went on Rogan, man, and said everything he'd said in the car. And it was so wild in the car that, first

of all, me and Brad Young, one of Randall's guys, we went into Bucky's restroom, you know, and they're in there. And people are look at it. And just saying, were we safe with this guy? This is the craziest I've ever heard in my life. This is for real. Then he goes on Rogan says absolutely everything he said, wouldn't get the technology, as Randall will tell you.

It was frustrating the hell out of that. Wouldn't stick to the thing. He had to tell all it because that's Malcolm. If he walked in the door now, never met in his life. He would launch into these stories. And it's all to protect him from the evil forces that are out to get him. He is trying to reveal all and out of the world is the way the story goes. So he says, All on Rogan and Joe made a call.

Joe and Jamie did, totally justifiable call. They said, you know, we got tens of millions of listeners. This guy could go out and do a penny stock. We don't know whether it's true. There's some sketchy articles about the guy from 20 years ago in Australia. Now, those articles don't have any good conclusions that were never any charges. And to me, they look like setups, frankly. If you were going to do a setup to smear a guy, that's the stuff you would do where no charges come, but you.

What was the premise of the articles that came out against him? That he lost money in the oil business as an independent. Can you find this, Steve? They're harder to find now, which is kind of weird. It used to be the first stuff that popped up. But try it, Steve. Malcolm Bendall and Blonde Babe with long legs. Because, you know, Malcolm, a good picture of him with this.

And the idea is that these oil companies basically drew up hit pieces on him? And there is a context of truth to that. That's what he claims. Yeah, and in 2003, I believe it was, Shell Oil was revealed to have claimed an oil field called Gorgon, what a cool name, north of Australia. And I think it accounted for something like 30% of their global reserves. And then it was called bullshit upon. And the board of Shell had to resign. It was a big scandal.

They had totally falsified this stuff. Malcolm says that was him that blew the whistle because he had an oil lease in Tasmania that they were trying to get. He was pissed off at them, knew enough about oil, and said, these guys don't have it. So that's how he got back at him for coming after him in Tasmania. How did he get into the oil business? I don't know Tasmania is kind of an odd place because they're not supposed to be any oil in Tasmania, but he is.

I know he knows his patrol and geology, man. We went through Houston on the way back and happened to go to this ranch that has a whole bunch of ice age fossils on it that have been hidden from the public. A whole other story. And we go see the hidden fossils and stuff. And a guy was with us who had discovered him. And he was in his day job a petroleum geologist, you know, 30, 40 years and studied salt bones, which is where you find oil oftentimes. Big subterranean deposits of salt. And Malcolm was able to talk with him as a peer about that stuff.

and there is a great published paper that Malcolm led on petroleum geology. He knows this petroleum geology. He was clearly in the oil business. So he kind of gets smeared or maybe it's true. But he owned a mine, an oil mine? No, no, no. He owned a lease. A lease. Which means that if you go and drill it and take the oil out, you can sell it and you pay the government of royalty. But nobody can drill for oil unless the government has leased it to you. Same thing here. you have to or yeah the government has to

sanction your ability to do so particularly on public lands okay so it's 2003 so the only kind of things happen okay but back to Rogan so they they obviously saw those articles

probably during the podcast Jamie called them up put them in front of Joe I do not know the specifics and for very justifiably Rogan made the call we're either going to have to heavily edit this is the way Randall told me they put it

or we might not show it and it ended up being what I call the no show Joe show where he didn't show it and I can't blame Rogan because he didn't he didn't have time to dig into Malcolm the guy's walking off the set you find sketchy stuff about him and he could go do a penny stock

and take advantage of your millions of listeners right and Rogan don't want to be responsible for that it has commercial implications If you have Bob Lazar on, he's not going to walk out of the studio and get money out of somebody, even though he says crazy, you know, insane stories. But Malcolm could. It has commercial implications. So they made the decision not to show it just fine. But then we drove back, got to know the guy better.

And so we got into this five-day trip. And then I get home, and it's Monday, the day after I got back. And you know, when you go on a man trip with a bunch of guys and you've been together for four days, you don't want to hear from those fuckers for weeks. You know what I mean? Maybe send an old pitcher or something from the trip. The guy calls me up, Malcolm. He goes, George, it's Malcolm. I'm like, Malcolm?

Oh, God. You know, and we start talking, and we start talking damn near every day. And as he's done with a lot of people, which is interesting because he's just trying to get his stuff out there. Long story short, that summer, last summer, in August, I get a heads up that he's going to go to Albuquerque and show one of these machines. And I've been trying to get one from him to get tested in Raleigh. And it had been promised and not delivered and promised and not delivered. And that kind of seemed a little sketchy to me. But then he says I'm going to go publicly demonstrate one in Albuquerque.

So I fly out to Albuquerque. He actually didn't tell Malcolm was coming. I got there right as he turned it on at 9 o'clock on Friday night at this conference called Tesla Tech. It's a bunch of old Tesla guys. And this is in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So these guys are all aerospace people. retired, you know, aerospace, propulsion, engineering types, right? Walking around in Hawaii shirts with flip-flops on, but with PhDs, you know, and are into Tesla.

So he thought that was a great group. If anybody should see the realization of Tesla's technology first, it should be these types. So he shows it. I see the thing running. They're sticking this probe in it, and there was no pollution from it. So I said, well, that's a hell of a magic trick. That's pretty cool. And I got up next morning.

I said, what the hell did I see last night? I'm getting it all better to get down the lobby. And there's Malcolm. And he says, come, George. Meet the team. Meet the team. And the team are the people who put the device is, like you said, a damn power washer. So it's a basic, you know, generator that you would get from Lowe's or Home Depot.

Then there is a series of parts which are connected to it, all of which you can purchase at Lowe's and Home Depot. The material costs the entire thing is not $1,500, $1,500. There is one piece that is the thunderstorm generator that has to be very specially welded, but it doesn't even have any moving parts. It's just a swirl guide, basically. Okay. So Malcolm brings that part with him, but you've got to build the rest. The people who were the team, they had never met him, but they constructed it and put all the parts together and ran around and bought him. So you can build it on site, and it runs.

And then we tested, all these people stayed around, three, four, four. days after the conference. We kept testing it and testing it and testing it and testing it. A fella came down that works at Los Alamos on his own time, brought his own equipment, a PhD physicist, hooked it up to the machine and got no pollution results again. So everybody's like, well, where the hell's the carbon going in this thing? There's no carbon monoxide, very little carbon dioxide, sometimes none, and no free hydrocarbons, and how's it fooling the equipment, what the hell's going on here? And then I actually talked to Malcolm and I said, I've got some people in Raleigh that can test this.

May I have the machine? So I canceled my flight home, got a Penske van, threw it in the back of the van, and drove all the way back to Raleigh on I-40 with no stoplights. It stayed like a night in Arkansas and took this thing back to Raleigh and gave it to some very specially equipped friends. And we tested the hell out of it for 14 days and everything worked. And we had some very, very smart people. And what were you using to measure the carbon emissions coming out of it? We ran five different devices by it, including one that we borrowed from the Research Triangle Institute, a think tank, like they weren't hacked. Okay.

These, all of them cost five grand plus. I've actually learned. We got the wallers. We got the canes. They're just these things that test emissions. But you got your own. You didn't just use Malcolm's. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And in fact, at one time, we had more equipment hooked up to the machine in bulk than the machine itself. I mean, it looked like a patient in ICU, you know, so much shit coming off of. Long story short, that Malcolm and then finally get out of town. And they were going to further do some defensive tests of it, where you go and do tests that if people are saying, hey, you're missing this, you're missing that. You can say, nope, we checked on that, checked on this. There's Jan. and the damn thing broke.

So they weren't able to finish those tests. So he's unzipping ahead. Then I hear he's going to Zurich, Switzerland. So I said, well, I'll go do another one of those. So we go to Zurich, and that same team came together. None of these people met Malcolm before Albuquerque. So they're not his employees or his bitches or whatever. But we're following him around.

Let's see the trick again. And we showed it off to 400 damn German and Swiss engineers at another kind of a European Tesla. These are smart people not to. be fooled, and everybody was flabbergasted. Okay? Then we did it again in India. And then, by that time, I had spent hours and hours and hours around this machine to wrap it up. Now, I finally got two of them myself on the basis of demonstrating it again properly. Every time we demonstrated it, it was slashed that thrown together, wasn't recorded correctly.

It just wasn't ideal by far. And I can't get to ideal. but I am holding this conference, the Cosmic Summit. And I said, I will make this a component of the Cosmic Summit as long as I cannot debunk it between when I get the machines. If it is still a mystery to me, I am happy to bring to the public a mystery. Right? But I'm not going to bring something that I have serious questions about. So I have two of these now in Raleigh. And as we speak, they are being tested by another group.

and we're going to get to the bottom of this. So what kind of tests can you do to debunk it other than test the emissions? I don't want to get into specifics. You need to pay attention to airflow. And are you catching every bit of air that's come out of that thing? I'll leave it at that. But I have stuck my face. Here, I'll show you some of the recent tests.

If you could switch over to me, Steve. There you go. Let me get... Don't keep secrets. Okay. That's a buddy of mine. They came. I want to find the one where I have three friends come and do what I think is the most interesting test that anybody can do.

You stick your face in front of it, Zoss pipe, and take a big huff. Through your nose, which is a fantastic aromatic hydrocarbon detector. Right? You don't smell fumes. You just don't. We've had it running indoors, Bob Grinier, over in. In London, him and Johanna, they had it running into it for something like six hours with carbon monoxide meters on, right? And here, I won't show any of these.

Well, I'll send you one for later, Steve. So we have a mystery on our hands. It is a magic trick, or it is the truth. And it's a good magic trick because it can be conducted remotely. The tests I am doing now that have been actually the most successful of all, we're able to get the carbon. dioxide, the first time we ran it a couple weeks ago, we were able to get it down to 0.2 of the, 0.2 of the exhaust. Regular carbon dioxide in a running engine like that is somewhere between like 8 and 10.

So that's a couple hundred times less, right? It's a fraction of it. The carbon monoxide always disappears, and the free hydrocarbons always go down to like 25 parts per million where they would normally be. 25,000. We've like stuck the probe in a guy's motorcycle tailpipe and said, okay, yeah, this is working and this shows what motorcycles generally do. And you take it over and stick it in this thing and it all disappears. Right. So we're going to get to the bottom of it. Where do you think the carbon is going? That is the question, Danny. And that's what everybody asks. They're like, if this is a magic trick, where's he hiding the pee? You know, where's the hidden rubber ball? that's cupped in the hand, you know? And there could be such a thing. And the implications are so large that you really got to be sure.

And I got no interest in defrauding, misleading, or anything like that. But I am interested in mysteries. And as long as something's a mystery, we're going to test the hell out of it at the Cosmic Summit. Not only that. Why hasn't some big energy company or some big government organization try to pay Malcolm or buy this from him? He says, and this is an interesting thing, that it's kind of like UFOs, that on the other side of the veil, and you're more familiar with this stuff than I am, on the other side of the veil, they're good guys and they're bad guys, and they've been keeping the secrets now for four generations. You know, they've been keeping it for 70 years. And it's just getting a little old, playing whack-a-mole, and you used to go around pre-internet, and if somebody came onto this stuff that they presumably already had, They suppressed it and suppressed them. The famous story being of the guy who had the water running car.

Yeah. What was that story again? Stanley Meyer. Stanley Meyer claimed to have the car that ran on water. He'd go on Good Morning America. That's incredible. And stuff like that back in the 80s. I remember saying it.

And then in the 90s, there were lawsuits against him and all this stuff. But he was with two Belgian businessmen at the Cracker Barrel having a breakfast meeting. and he took a sip of his cranberry juice, leapt from the table, ran for the door, screamed, I've been poisoned and fell dead, and the two Belgian businessmen were never identified.

I mean, wild stuff. At a cracker barrel. Yeah, at a cracker barrel. This is him right here. Oh, yeah, yeah, go to the picture. So he was able to run this car off water? Basically. And it still seems a little,

I mean, it just seems so rinky dink, but so does some of the stuff we're doing is rinky dink. I mean, maybe things generally come from the bottom, and I'll give you an example of that, and they stay secret. It's hard to prove things. But a lot of people ask,

like Johanna James asked on one of the early calls with the speakers, when I was saying, hey, I might bring this thing, y'all got problems with that. She said, can't we just wait until Toyota puts out a report? And you kind of feel that way, but it ain't that simple as it turns out.

And I've actually seen this. They had a large, on the tip of every, one's tongue, auto manufacturer, I won't say who it is, that was to test it in Italy, in Turin, Italy, with another big industrial group. And they were sending us pictures. This was last spring, after Rogan, but before we test it in Raleigh. And we were excited. So, well, hell, then you've got a big, the most sophisticated engine facility, testing facility in Europe, has got it, and we're getting pictures, and there it is set up in the clean room or whatever. And then we hear from him one day, his kind of inner inner circle and the people who actually

finance him, get back and they say, oh, no, the companies changed the contract at the last minute. And we felt it clearly threatened the intellectual property like it would be theirs if you tested it there. And I said, that sounds like bullshit. Just, you know, if somebody was to con you, they'd build you all up. And then, you know, just to stall for time, like, go, and then say, ah, well, sorry, it fell apart. They tried to steal it. And you're like, what? You were talking about this for three months.

What do you mean they try to steal it? But I actually saw the contract. And then I've read the track changes that you follow where the lawyers are going back and forth. Right. And at the end, they tried to steal it. It was like anything tested in here. Didn't say exactly that, but anything testing here, you know, discovered shall be our discovery and blah, blah, blah, or something like that. Where you're like, well, I'm going to get it out of there.

So they had spent a couple hundred grand apparently teeing up for this thing. and then they dismantled anything, got it out of there. Wow. So it's kind of up to rednecks like me, I guess, although I'm taking it up another level. I'm in touch. I mean, I know how things are to be done right, and it's certainly not with me,

but I'm trying to test it myself so I don't trouble a major organization that I do have ready to test it. But I've got some things that I want to do and I have a guy out there doing it as we speak to make sure I'm not troubling that major organization. But if I can't figure it out on the next, week or two, I hope to get it to the major organization, hopefully you can get the mystery

confirmed or debunked prior to the summit. If the mystery is still a mystery, then we're going to run the thing on and off for three days, and they are going to lecture the whole time. It's going to be a sidebar to the Cosmint Summit. You've got 27 speakers over two days, then you have a classroom day. So we're going to run it, and if people want to just leave the auditorium and go see the machine or go talk to Malcolm or listen to his many lectures over the weekend they can. But then we have Bob Grinier, Jordan Collin, and Malcolm speaking just like the other speakers, but we put them in a row. So that each gets an hour.

So that's three hours on Saturday. But then on Monday, Malcolm has a classroom. Randall has a classroom. Scott Walter from America on Earth has a classroom. It would be a good guest. And Malcolm has a classroom. So if you're really into one of those guys, you can go hear from the first. them all day on Monday.

Wow. Right. And those are separate tickets. Okay. Yeah, we got a whole bunch of different ticket types. You don't have to commit to three days to go to the summit. You can come for Saturday. He can come for Sunday.

You can come for just classroom day. You can come with no food, no parties. And we've got the price down to 435 for the whole weekend. Okay. Right? If you use promo code Cosmic 50, get it for 435, otherwise it's 485. And then the classroom day tickets, I think, are $250. But, and it sounds like I'm sitting here, I'm out to make money on all this crazy stuff.

Well, I'm certainly not. I just sold my company. I've never been more financially better off. I do not need to work on the cosmic summit 10 hours a day like I do. But it has to be, in my view, it has to be a for-profit operation because that keeps accountability. Well, I'm accounting for it because I'm at least six figures out right now. Well, it's incredible what you're doing. all these people together.

Thank you, buddy. I appreciate your minds together. It's fascinating, man. And the amount of stuff people can learn from all these geniuses you're flying in from all over the world is astonishing. And it's a great bunch.

The suspense is killing me. Or is it still okay with Mama for you to come? Yeah, I'm gonna try to make it out for sure. 100%. Yeah, I think me and Steve we're gonna try to make it out for a day. That's terrific, man. Yeah.

We so much look forward to seeing you. I look forward to hearing some of these people talk, man. It's a great thing what you're doing. Where can people go to your, what's the website to go here and sign up? Yeah, Cosmetsummit.com. Okay. And that's just our kind of our lead crew, our marquee.

And you know, you got Robert Schock in there. We just signed him on about six weeks ago. Tremendous guy. But then we got a cast of characters that, believe it or not, are just as interesting as the big guys, but you just hadn't heard of them yet. You could hit the, and Praveen Mohan. I talked to Praveen this morning.

If you hadn't caught on to that guy, he is fantastic, man. He is, I guess, He'd say the Randall Carlson of India. And, yeah, and I was laughing with him this morning. I said, you could live 100 lifetimes, Praveen, and never fully cover your country. It's so endless the mysteries. And Praveen is coming to Greensboro. We've got the snakes coming.

Dr. Collins, who's the Talhalla Mom dig guy. So, Christian archaeologist. Haley Ramsey, who is a wise, wise woman in the esoteric traditions of the West. Tim Hogan, the number one Templar. Freemason in the world. Wow. Yeah. Hogan's a big deal.

He really should be, I mean, he's so modest, he complained about not being on the banner, but he should be. Randy Daniel, who is a run-of-the-mill, not run-of-the-mill, but he's a mainstream archaeologist, but has seen evidence for the Younger Dries Impact and is part of the comment research group, but does not believe in Atlantis, and he is going to say so, right? Because you don't all have to agree. Joanne Ballard, she is a mainstream. PhD that has found evidence for the Younger Dryness event, but does believe in Atlanta's, I believe. Bob Grenier, Jordan Collin, these are fascinating people, but what we're trying to do, Danny,

and won't go on too much longer with this commercial stuff, the point of it all to me is that a lot of us, a lot of your audience, people like me, pajama scientists and just curious unconventional history fans, sit around until our eyes bleed, watching YouTube at 1130.30. at night after the family's in bed and you're sitting down there freaking out on stuff and interested as hell it's like we're all listening to music but it's all downloads and there's no festival there's not a place to go see the band well you can listen to music and get about everything out of it but for some reason we still want to go see the bands and we want to gather together with the other deadheads or the other panic crowd yeah no whomever it is your people so

We've got a community of people that have shared interest. And believe me, they come from every background, socioeconomic, racial, everything. It's an extremely diverse crowd. It's interesting. Eight to 80 blind, crippled or crazy is what my mom used to say. And you can sit around and talk about the black mat with them and stuff. We need a community home. So that's what the cosmic summit is to bring together people like that at least once a year so we can all hang out.

So that's the point, man. It's beautiful, man. Thank you, brother. A new dawn of an old age. Damn right, man. I'll link it below. If you guys want to check it out, go get a ticket. Thank you, Danny Jans.

Thank you. I really appreciate your time. Terrific podcast, love it, man. Can't wait for the summit. Hey, we can't wait to have you. Good night, everybody.