Danny Jones Podcast - #242 - Oldest CHRISTIAN Scriptures: God is Really SATAN | Gnostic Informant

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

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This episode has been heavily censored due to some of the unsettling topics discussed. I know you guys can handle it, but YouTube cannot. If you want it uncensored and ad free, it's on Patreon, please hammer that subscribe button below and enjoy the show. Hallelujah, Neil. Let's do this thing. Nostica form it. Nice to meet you finally. Dude, nice to meet you too.

You got an amazing YouTube channel. Thank you. How did you get into all of this ancient religious stuff and ancient texts and linguists and and this whole world. It's actually a funny, well, not funny, it's not funny. It's an odd story how I got into it. I didn't do it with the academic route.

I didn't get a PhD. I went to prison and became a reader in there. And, yeah, I became a full-blown Christian at first, read the Bible cover to cover, and joined the church when I got out, all that stuff. But even when I was in there, I was into reading the Quran, the Vedas, whatever text I can get my hands on.

at the library that was in the prison but it was an ancient mythology I was reading it Wow And actually it's funny because My mom was sending me books when I was in there She was trying to find like Psychology self-help stuff

Like you know she was trying to like You know fix me or whatever Right right And one of the books she sent me was Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning And I was 21 I turned 21 in prison

I was a while ago and I was so I was like you know not educated trying to read Jordan Peterson it was all gibberish I had no idea what he was what any of this stuff meant it was all it's like an academic book right like I had no business reading that book I have no idea what any of it needs but still was fascinating I'm trying to make sense of it and it was like this is interesting stuff so I don't know Jordan Peterson planted a lot of seeds in my head when I was young about like ancient religions and You know, all that kind of stuff. When I got out, I became a Christian, full-blown fundamentalist Christian for a while. But I always had that heretic spirit. So I was always trying to read extra the apocrypha text. What do those say? You know, pastor would be like, be careful reading those.

You know, that's not part of the 66 books of the King James. You shouldn't be read. Whatever. Are you still religious? No, not at all. Okay. No. Not even close.

But I studied my way out of Christianity. You studied your way out of Christianity. That's the best way to put it. I read about the ancient, the ancient, like, Kelsis, his arguments against Christianity, porphyry, who the neoplatonists were, all these different, what was going on in the second, third century, all that stuff. Just became fascinated by it and just educated myself. And then when I started my channel three years ago, my main goal was to just get academics on my show, interview them, ask them questions. whatever their expertise was, whatever book they wrote, I'll read the book, get them on,

ask them a bunch of questions about it. Bart Ehrman came on a couple times. To you, what is the biggest, most blatant misconception of Christianity? Or modern. People don't know. Yes, yes. So, okay, this is a big one. The manuscript traditions.

So a lot of people don't know that Mark is the oldest. gospel. People think it's Matthew because in the open of the Bible, Matthew is the first gospel. Mark is the oldest. A lot of people don't know. Most of the gospels are dated to, you know, they'll say first century, but it's probably late first to the second century where we start the gospel starts showing up in the sources. Probably, but this is a crazy thing. In Mark, which is the oldest gospel, there's no mention of Joseph as as Jesus's father. Before that, Paul was the oldest text. Paul never mentioned Joseph.

So the first time Joseph gets mentioned in any of the sources is in Matthew's Gospel, which is like 85 to 95 AD. But even worse than that, the scene in Mark, where Jesus returns from the dead and shows the disciples that he's risen, that's not in the oldest manuscripts. In the oldest manuscripts, the ones that are dated to like the second, third, fourth century, he doesn't come back. It literally ends tragically with the women weeping at the tomb. And the angels tell the women that he's risen, but they don't ever see him. He doesn't have to come

back. Then in the manuscript tradition, after the fifth century is when you start seeing an extra 21 verses get added to the Bible about Jesus coming back and saying, hey, look, I'm risen. I'm not 18 anymore. I'm working, raising two kids, and I have little, time. That's why I chose University of Phoenix. I take one class at a time and log in on my schedule. University of Phoenix built for real life. Get started at phoenix.edu.

No way. And it's probably, it probably has to do with Kelsis in Porphyry. These early they call them pagan. They're not really pagans. They're like platonist writers who are very critical of Christianity. One of the things Kelsis says, this is a book from the second century

against the Christians where he even says how do you even know he rose? All you're going off is just two women that said they met an angel? What? And you think this is the son of God? I'm not believing this. And we know that this was a big deal to the Christians because Ironaeus, about a couple decades later, had to write a whole book addressing Kelsus.

It was called Against Kelsus. So he was like, Kelsus was like going after these Christians. And he was whooping their ass. I believe that part out. Wow. And like, like, philosot, like debating wise. Yeah. He was, he was beating them up pretty bad.

Right. Which makes me think that's why they added those 21 verses and said, wait, wait, wait a minute. No, he did come back and here's what actually happened. But if you can, and you can fact check me, whoever's watching this. Mark's the last chapter of Mark, the last 21 verses in that, in that last chapter, do not show up in any of the manuscripts before the fifth century. The last part of, but did you say Mark was the first? first one to write about it. Mark's the first gospel. Mark's the first gospel. And none of the manuscripts before that. Yes. Can you, can you clear, say that again? Okay. So Mark being the first

gospel, right, has the, we have manuscripts of Mark. Right. So the first actual gospel, first actual Bible, church Bible, where it has the Old Testament plus the New Testament, is in the fourth century, in 325 AD. Okay. Um, before that, it was all individual manuscripts. So, so. So, it was all individual manuscripts. So you have Mark floating around by itself, Matthew floating around by itself. Okay, got it. And some people would put together their own little, like a guy named Marcion put together a New Testament. It was seven pistols of Paul plus Luke and maybe Axe, but I can't remember. But Mark, the gospel of Mark that was in circulation before the 5th century only had those up till the last 21 verses.

So if that's Mark right there, if you go to, if you go to the last chapter. We just lost, we just lost Neil's audio, or I did at least. I meant to unmute my mic. I was on his.

Okay, we'll just start that part out. This one goes all the way down to the 16. Does it go any further than that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, if you go down,

this is Mark 16. Yeah. So if you go down, if you go all the way down to the bottom, where it says, keep going. All right, go back, go up, go up. So afterward he appeared to the 11 themselves Yeah

As they were reclining at the table and he rebuked that That's not in the oldest manuscripts That's added That's added All of that stuff And this is this is consensus Any Bible scholar will agree with me on this This is not some wild

Is there a way to access online the original? Yes There are How can we see the original find the original? Bart Ehrman is a textual critic Dr. Bart Ehrman And he has like the different manuscript traditions and the translations of them, what they say, what the variations are. And you could just like look up like he'll point out that those last, if you, it's so the last verse is 19 or 20 actually.

If you, yeah, it's all the way up until when you start seeing Jesus appears to marry Magdalene. That's the last verse of the oldest manuscripts. No, look, look, look, it says right there. Some of the earliest manuscripts do not include 9 through 20. No way. I'm sorry. I said 21 verses. I'm sorry.

It's 11 verses. My bad. 11. Yeah. Those last 11 verses. They don't include 169 through 20. This is Bible.com that's saying that. This is not a crazy.

This is not like some war. So they don't include this one right here. Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene from whom he had cast out. Seven demons. That's all added. that's adding. And because people are criticizing and saying, wait a minute,

how do you know this is even true? If all you're going off is that they went to his tomb and he wasn't there? Because that's how it ends. They go to his tomb. He's not there. Now, to be fair, in the Roman, in the Augustin period or the Flavian period, which is the first century, there was an ancient trope where if this is a big trope where a hero would die.

like Hercules or something, and they would go to his tomb and his body was gone. And it meant that he rose to heaven. It was an ancient trope. So whoever wrote Mark was basically saying this happened to Jesus too. So that is a common thing. If the body's disappeared, it means that angels rose him up to heaven. But if you're being critical, you would say, how do you know someone didn't steal the body? So they end up adding verses.

Right. That's the earliest gospel. That's what it is. That's wild, man. How did you, so, obviously, I just had our mutual friend, Mr. Hillman on the show. He's incredible, man. That's my Greek teacher. How did you discover him? I did a show with Carl Ruck. Okay. Yeah, yeah. About Eucharist and the El Zinian Mysteries, stuff like that. And he follows Ruck. He's a big, he's a big fan of Ruck. I mean, I think he would call himself a disciple of Ruck. I think he would say that. Yeah. Because he's, he's a big, Throughout his career, he's always followed. Ruck's been around forever. How many people do you think there are like Ruck and Amun that can have read that much Greek? Not a lot. I can't imagine. Yeah, unless they're like a professor in classics. Right, right, right.

But people like Amon and Ruck, well, Ruck is a professor in classics. But they just do it for the love of it. They love the ancient Greeks. Yeah. They do it because they love it. They're not for a job and translating random texts just to get paid. Some academics do that or become a teacher or something. They love it.

They do it for the love of it. And I respect that a lot. His biggest thing, I think when I started that podcast with him, I was like, what are you most interested in? Out of everything that you've ever studied, he goes, I want to know more. I want to know what Jesus was doing in that park. Yeah, that's one of those things. He won't let that go. And that's in Mark too.

That's in Mark too, yes. There's that passage in Mark. It's a very strange passage. No one knows what to do with it. It's right before the day he gets crucified. He's in a great, or what is it, the Garden of Gassimony. And he's, and when Judas pulls up with the, with the, the people coming to arrest him, he's, he's, he's, it says that a boy runs away. And the word, then word in Greek is, neonicis, I think it is.

And it means like, the word literally means like baby boy. Like that's, that's that, that, that, that, that's the word's only used for children. It's not used for teenagers. It's not used for males. It's used for children. And it says he ran away and his cindone fell off. A cindone is like a, like a, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, so he runs off naked. So what, what, what's going on in this passage?

Right. And, uh, yeah, it's in there. I think what he, from what I understood from the podcast that we did, is he said that Jesus was at some crazy party drinking snake venom before that. And then he went there and was using the boy as an antidote for the snake venom.

The boy is liquids. That's what Amun says. It's, I mean, he has his reasons. So he has his sources. What do you think about that? Well, there is, so the only precedent I would say about that because my thing is I like to look at the text and what the text say.

And in Ovid's metamorphosis, there is a, right before Orpheus gets killed, he gets torn apart by the main ads, sent by Dionysus. And the scene before that, he's, he's mourning over the loss of his wife, Irodisi. And it says in the text that women are throwing themselves at him and he's denying them. And then it says, he took up the Thracian rights of plucking the young boy's manhood before the of age. He became like castrating him. It says he turned to the love of boys.

Oh. And he became like a. Oh, wow. This is Ovid's metamorphosis, not me. And who's he talking about again? He's talking about Orpheus. Orpheus. Who was an ancient hero theologian, like great figure.

Like, it's like there's actually, if you actually look up the Oxford English translation of Orbit's anorphuses, it's gone. Well, it took it out. It's kind of, because I don't even know if I blame them. Amon was also telling me in the Greek language, there was also no word to distinguish, like, heterosexuality versus homosexuality. None. And he said, basically, there's no word for gay or homosexual in Greek.

Like, they didn't think about it. They just thought, they just thought of, like, having men and women was the same. Yeah, it's Eros, which is love or, yeah. Bizar, dude. Agape, love. There's different words for love. Eros is that erotic That's erotic

That's erotic love That's what they use that for man and women Or man and man or women and women It didn't matter They just didn't think about it It just didn't matter Like it's just Probably more common than it is today

For people to engage in that type of stuff You know? Yeah What so That debate that you had Between Amin And there was another guy Who he was talking to

Who was a Hebrew linguist or something Oh yeah Kip Davis. He's a Densey Scroll scholar. So what are the two points of views between Amin and Kip Davis? And what were they sort of debating about? They were discussing which came first the Hebrew Masoretic text of the Old Testament or the Greek Septuagint, which version came first. Okay. The consensus is that the Hebrew was first and the Greek is the translation of that. there is some scholarship though like Russell Gamerkin is one of my good friends

I've had it on my channel multiple times where it's not they don't say that the Greek came first but they'll say that the Hebrew probably predates the Greek by no more than a couple years like it was all of it was written in the Hellenistic period so all of it's adopting Greek ideas such as Platonism is big in Genesis.

For example, he writes about Genesis, the creation myth, having things that line up with Plato's Tameas. A lot of Greek philosophy in this time period was rejecting the Homeric, we would call pagan world. So Plato was not a fan of Homer or Hesiod. Oh, really? Yeah. And so Heraclitus, for example, another one of these pre-Socratic philosophers,

wrote about how idol worship was a bad idea. These people are dumb. These people are idiots. They're worshipping idols. What are they doing? Which sounds a lot like what you get in the Old Testament prophets. He's saying these people don't understand the meaning of God. They talk to a stone idol of the way they would talk to a doorpost.

That's what he says. And so that mentality comes, is not just from, a lot of people think it's just from like the Jews talking about the Greeks. but in the Greek world, that same mentality is already there. So Grusselkimerkin points out like the pre-Socratics invented monism, which is there's one God who created everything. And underneath this one God is all these daemons. And damons also are called angels, which are messengers. So that's probably where you get this dichotomy between angels and demons.

A demon, a daemon is just a god. but an angel or an ongelos is a messenger Hermes is called the Angolos a messenger so so

what it looks like is these are all demons but the ones that are loyal to the one the monad or the one or the good god

or the crater demiards whatever you want to call it those are if they're loyal to him they're going to be

his messenger so they're going to be angels if they're not they're just damons on their own so they come demons

so you can see right from right through the Greek sources. You can see that angels and demons is already something that's already going on. So they're not necessarily bad. They're just not loyal to the main creator. Right. They're just, it's distinguishing them from the angels that are loyal.

Yeah. And there's even early Christian denominations that would say like Zeus and Athena and Aphrodite. They're all demons that Jesus came to save everybody from. Like that's one of the early, one of these early Christian. groups called the Perete. The Perete believed, they believed in all the Greek mythology world was all legit and real. And they're Christians. They're not saying it didn't exist.

But they just think that those daemons are evil. And this actually persists even in the, even way, well beyond the Nicene Creed, Pope Gregory writes a letter. And this is in the sixth century, I think, fifth or sixth century, Pope Gregory the great, one of the great popes that everybody, Orthodox or Catholic, they're all venerating this guy. And he writes a letter to the bishop in London. He says, he basically says, like, their gods are demons. Like, he's basically saying they're worshipping demons. Like, even though they're just like, it's Odin and Freya, whatever those gods out. And there's naming off names from gods from that, maybe not Odin and Freya, whoever is being worshipped in Britain in that time.

But he even, he tells him, he tells him, he says, listen, they're going to do what they're going to do. Don't destroy their temples. Don't destroy the pagan temples. Here's what you got to do. He says, take holy water. Or he says, first, remove the idol out. That's the demon. Take the idol out.

Replace it with the cross. And then sprinkle holy water in the temple and convert it into a church. So their doctrine, their, the way they're growing the church is by repurposing ancient pagan. sites into churches. This happens. There's thousands of examples of this all over Europe, North Africa, Mediterranean, where they just ancient pagan temples get reconverted into churches. So essentially what, um, what Amun and Kip, right? Disagreying. They were disagreeing about was yeah, here's the video right here. I don't know. You can find it on your channel on your playlist. Yeah, yeah, it's on my play. Yeah. Um, the Septuaging.

which is Greek, Amin was arguing that the Hebrew, Hebrew came out of Greek or Hebrew came after Greek, right? Because the Greek language is like 250,000 words, and Hebrew is only 8,000 words. And then you guys were arguing about certain phrases, I guess, or certain terms. And he was showing how there was like one word for fear of God. Theosabes. In Greek, Theosabes, right? Yeah, yeah.

And then in Hebrew, they turned it into like two or three. Yeah, so he, Amon was making good points. And he was arguing like, look. Oh, my God, yeah. In Greek language, there's thousands of words, there's even five words for one thing. Like, there's so many ways you can express yourself in Greek. And then in Hebrew, it's a very,

very shorter list of words and a lot less vocabulary. Well, here's the interesting thing. If you can have fear of God, whatever that, like that idea embodied in one word. Right, exactly. And in Hebrew, it takes two or three words into what it means. Yet still, Greek has 250,000 words in Hebrew only has 8,000 words. That's insane. And he was saying, like, look, it actually doesn't make sense for someone in Greek to take the word,

to take these three words, fear of God, and then add a bunch of them into this one word, Theos Abes. It would make sense that they would translate it as it is. Because you can actually write out, like, phobis is the word for fear. Testeos. You could say that in Greek. So it would make sense if you're translating it, you would just say fear of God. But he's saying, they're using a technical

term, this word Theosabase, which is a technical Dionysian cultic term. Why would they pick that word to translate these three? So he's making good points. And, you know, Kip was just like, dude, I don't even know what you're talking about the scholarship says this, the consensus says this, he's just throwing down consensus, the consensus, the consensus. And I, look, I'm not a big fan of people who just waive the consensus to disagree with

someone's argument. Like, either their argument's good or it's not. You should look at the argument, not just say, the consensus says this, so you're wrong. It's like, if that was the case, we would never, there would never be any changes in anything because of the consensus would just stay the same. Consensus is always changing. It should always be changed. So that I don't agree with, but I will say this.

I am not a linguist. I don't know. I'm not an expert Hebrew or Greek. So I couldn't say, I can't sit there and judge who's right between them. Right. But what I can do is I can look at the history and say, look, we can test this. There is a way to test this. And so whether or not the Hebrew or Greek came first, I don't really care.

I want to know is how old can we date the Masoretic Hebrew, Old Bible, the Old Testament, When does it start showing up in the sources? People think that, you know, the people think that Moses wrote this, wrote the Torah in like, you know, the Bronze Age. Some people say like 1,300 BC, Moses started writing the Torah and it's been passed down since then. And then, you know, new books are added or whatever. That's nonsense. Nonsense. In fact, when Israel got conquered by the Assyrians by Nebuchadnezzar and 597 BCE,

most of the Jews were brought to Babylon. Everyone knows this story. It's famous. The fall of the first temple, right? But what we found out later is that a lot of Jews went back into Egypt. And it was like an exodus backwards. And they settled in this city called Elephantine. So Elephantine is a city of an ancient Jewish city in Egypt that dates, we have text from that period.

in archaeology. We dug up papyri, thousands of papyri. So we know what they believed in. We know what their ideas were. There is no Moses. There is no Noah. There's no David. There's no mention of Abraham. Nothing. And they're worshipping more than, they're mostly multiple gods. So wait a minute. If the Torah already existed before Nebuchadnezzar in 597 BCE, wouldn't these Jews and Elephantine have Moses and Abraham and

Noah in these texts? They have zero. We have thousands of texts from this place. Not one mention of Abraham. Not one mention of Moses. How does that make sense? Where did it come from then?

Well, like Amon points out, like I've been pointing out, like Russell Gimerick had been pointing out, these texts are written way later. Yeah. And they're just bad. backdating themselves, which is common. This happens all the time.

It happens in Greek sources, the sibling oracles. They backdate themselves. They'll say, this is a text from 10,000 years ago. This happens all the time. This is not some random thing. That's Elephantine. That's where they're settled. And they dug up thousands of papyri and inscriptions.

And they have Yahweh. They call him Yahoo. It's a different spelling of the way, Yahweh. But he's there. So it is the Jews. And they're writing in Aramaic. And sorry, remind me again, What year this is?

They fled Israel in 597 BC. So between 597 and 410, that's a long time. It's 200 years, right? Yeah. Between, we have texts that are dating between 597 and 410 from that city, dating texts from that period. And none of them mentioned Abraham, Moses, or Noah. And when were those, when were Moses? and Noah supposed to have lived?

Way before that. Way before that. Like, like, like, we're talking like, like, Noah's 2,000 years before that. 2,000 years before that. Moses would be 100,000, almost 1,000 years, 800 years before that. And when did the very first writings of Noah and these guys?

The first, okay, this is a great question. We can't say when's the first time it was ever written down. We can't say, if there's anybody who ever mentions Moses, who's the first one to do it outside of, outside of the text that's claiming, you know, that you can't date the text with the text, right? Right. You've got to use an outside text.

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Wow. Before that, nobody mentions them. What the fuck, dude. And for some reason, in Bible scholarship land, they don't, they don't talk about this. They know this is true. they won't deny it. They can't argue against it. But they'll say, there's probably an oral tradition, man. Calm down. And I'll say, well, what about Elephantine?

There are all these texts there from 200-year period. Right. And there was probably a fringe sect. That's what they'll say. When was the Dead Sea Scrolls conventionally? What is the conventional idea when they were written? First century BC. First century BC. Yeah, so that's way later.

You can't use that. And those are all in Hebrew? No, there's Greek ones. There's some in Greek, too. some Greek. And I believe Amin was claiming that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls came from Greek. Yeah. So there's some, and I can't really talk too much about this. I don't know too much, but I've heard for that. It looks like the Dead Sea Scrolls, some of them were translating from the Greek side. So the ones that we found, and I look, I don't, I'm not going to die on this hill. I could be wrong. Right, right. But there are people who say some of the, some of the density scrolls looks like it comes, it's coming from the Greek tradition. So, and by the way, in, in, in. One of the Dead Sea Scrolls, because in the Greek Septuagint, Y'A.O, which is the Greek way to spell Yahweh,

there is no Ya'o in the Septuagint. But in the Greek manuscripts from Dead Sea Scrolls, the Ya'o is in there. When did the Septuagint come about? Well, the oldest ones we have is from 325 AD. 325. So anything could have changed between 300, well, they say it's like 270 BC when the Septuagint got produced or translated or whatever.

Right. And I'm fine with, if the academics are, if the experts are saying it's a translation, and I don't care, fine. All I'm saying is there's no, it could be, it's fine, it's a translation all day. I don't care. All I care about is when was it written? And to me, there's no evidence that any of the Hebrew or the Greek shows up before the 4th century BC. Wow. And that word, Yao, in Greek, shows up in the oldest manuscripts from the dead sea.

region, but in the church Bible, the Old Testament in Greek, the Septuagint, the Codex Sinaiticus, the Codex Vaticanus, and the Codex Alexandricus, those three church Bibles have no, they change the name, Yao to Curios, which means Lord in Greek. So the Lord, the Lord, the Lord, that's why the Bible always says the Lord instead of Yahweh. But in the oldest manuscripts, Ya'o is present. We have a Deuteronomy manuscript from Dead Sea, and it says it's got the three letters, Iota, Alpha, Omega, Yao. By the way, I think I know why they changed it, because the Yao is actually an old name for Dionysus. Really? Yes.

Dionysus has the same name as Yahweh. And get this, Plutarch, who wrote in the second century, says that he has a whole text called, which God is worshipped by the Jews? And he says it's Dionysus. Dionysus. He said it's some eastern form of Dionysus. Because Dionysus wasn't just a wine god. That's like an attribute attributed to him.

And then when the Romans adopt Dionysus, the Roman version of Dionysus, he becomes this wine party god. But if you go back, the oldest forms of Dionysus you can find, he's way more than that. He's a god of life. He's a god of growing of the crops. He's a god of Bacchic. It's called Bacchic mania, but it's like divine, divine inspiration. Wasn't he the son of Zeus? He's the son of Zeus.

He's the heir of heaven. Right. He was born from the marriage between Persephone, who's the queen of the underworld and Zeus. Right. And in that text, he's the heir to heaven. He's no other son of God, not Hercules, not Apollo. Only Dionysus is called the heir to heaven. That's it.

Only one time. It's only Dionysus. And he was Yah. According to Plutarch, because they both have, because, yeah, in the oldest text of Dian, like, you can, there are sources of Dian, the Chaldean oracles is one. His name is Yao in Greek, which is the same way to spell Yahweh in Greek. They have the same exact name. And don't you, you have a video all about how Yahweh is the same thing as Satan? Yeah.

So early Christians, early Christians come along, and Marcion was one of these early Christians. Also the Sethians. Who else? There's Valentinians, I think. There's all these different groups of Christians blowing up. The Canites are one of them. Ophites. And they had this idea that the God of the Old Testament is actually the evil God called Yield de Boeth.

And so they were like, this God is not our true God. He's an imposter. And they had the whole text called Apocryphon John, where Jesus tells John, look, Yelda Boeth thinks he's the one who created this world. He's wrong. He wants to enslave people and put him under these harsh laws. But really, I'm the son of a different God called Sophia, which means wisdom. And this is the real curator. That's what it says. That's what the text says. So how does it tie Yahweh to Satan? because Yahweh is that Yalda Boeth character. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

Huh. They call it Yaldeboeth, but they're talking about the God of the Old Testament. And then, and then Yaa'o is one of his names, one of the names Yelda Boeth is inscribed with. Does he say, did Jesus say Lord or Jehovah Yahweh when he spoke to Satan? I don't know if this is. He says, Lord. They always use Kiroos in Greek. But there is a passage in John.

where he says he's talking to the Pharisees and he says he says you are a son of the devil he says it's in the Greek he says you are the son of the devil and I can't remember what passages it is but yeah it's in John

so some people interpret that and say look there's an example of Jesus calling out the Pharisees and saying they're actually worshipping the wrong deity so that's that's one way to interpret John some people say I don't know about that interpretation. Right.

But it's there. That text does say that. So is the academic consensus that the Greek came after the Hebrew? No. No. Oh, after. After the Hebrew. Yes.

Yes. So, okay. The academic consensus is fully with the Septuagint translates the Masoretic. The Septuagint. Septuagint is Greek, Mesoretic's Hebrew. That's the consensus. But it just doesn't seem likely. But Ammon is the one who's saying, no, I think these Greek technical terms, he says that he thinks, well, this is actually a good point.

Adamas is one of the names of the primordial beings in the Samotharachian mysteries. He thinks Adam's coming from Adamus, which could be true. Also, Iwa, the name for Eve in Greek, is a Bacic chant. And her name is also in Greek is called Zoe, which means life. And that's, so he's basically saying this split between Adam and Eve, Because they don't think they're split from each other. This looks like to be some sort of early ancient Greek mystery religion right of taking Adamus, which means indestructible life. Mm-hmm.

And splitting them into Adamus and life, Zoe. So his, everything Amon is saying is lines up. Like, it's plausible. He's not saying some off the wall. Right. Just that me, without having the expertise to be like, to say he's right or wrong, I just don't have that. Right. I'm listening to him and I think he makes a lot of sense.

It should be out there. I wonder how far we are, how far off we are from getting like chat GPT to be able to translate some of this ancient texts. Or how, I mean, I don't know. Chat GPTT translates text. It can translate ancient Greek. I do it all the time.

Really? I do it all the time. I use it all the time. You can even test it. You can even send it. You could take a passage from a certain story or a playwright. Like Euripides Bokai.

Take a little passage out. Throw it in chat GPD4. It'll say, This is from Euripides Buckeye, and this is what it means. So it knows how to translate. Yeah, because there were some people that were pushing back on Amin when he was talking about when Jesus was in the park, he said, I am not a laystace. Laceace. And people are saying that Lestace.

And people are saying that Amon is saying, if you go, there's a website called Perseus Tufts. It's built by a friend of mine, Gregory Crane professor at Perseus Tufts University or Tufts University. And the website is called Percy is Tufts. And what it is, it's the most amazing tool that we have. It allows people like me to become a scholar from my house. But this is it right here. You can look up, you can type in any Greek word you want on that top right. And if you type in any, you have to use the Greek though.

So you won't be able to. Yeah. I don't have a great key. Yeah. You have to change your keyboard to Greek. Or you have to copy and paste it. You can do either or. But yeah, once you get used to doing, it's very easy to do.

But you can, if you type in the word, I don't know. Lacedace. Lestase. Yeah. Type in Lacedace. It'll show all the times that words been used in the Greek language forever. It'll say 500 BC. Heraclitus said this when he said Lacedace.

This is what he meant by it. It's all in there. So if you want to look up L-E-H-S-T-E-S in Greek. Go to the library. Yeah, I don't know how to do it. Type in Mark in Greek. Mark's Gospel in Greek. Mark's Gospel and Greek.

Let's see what we got. There we go. Okay. So this is supposed to be Lacedace, this word right here. Yeah. Now go to Perseus. So we're looking at, but for people that are watching this, this is...

We're looking up the word, yeah. This is at the Greek version of Mark that we have pulled up in one tab. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We found the actual quote from Jesus. Now we're pasting the word he used Lacedace... Lacedace... Into this translator. Yep.

All right. So let's see what we're... Oh, like, I'm sorry. Go to all search options. Go to all search options. Click on all search options. Right there. All search options.

Now, try it right there. Okay. Now, if this doesn't... Get into Word. Yeah, right there. Okay. Pace, equals. Try that.

There we go. Okay. Now, click on where it says Middle Liddell. Middle Lidl. It's using the middle Lidel. No, go to the one above that. Right there. That one.

Right there. All right. Hym. Oh, wait. Okay. Good. Look, LSJ, I'm sorry. Where it says LSJ?

LSJ. Right there, click on that one. Okay, LSJ. All right. See, Robber, Pirate. Where does I say that? Right on the bottom. Robber, pirate, Buccaneer.

Oh. Yeah, see? Okay, so what you're looking at, let me explain to you what you're looking at. So the blue text. Yes. Stay, keep going down. Blow it up, yeah. That's the end of it.

All right, that's fine. The blue text are sources. So that's, um, Sirene, that's Plutarch, that's Plato, Herodotus, Aristophanes. Those are all different sources that use that word Lestays. Okay. And it's saying how they're using it. So the first source is saying he uses it for pirate.

The second one says he uses for Buccaneer. And then this one says piracies. Uh-huh. So every time it's been used, it's used for pirate or Buccaneer. Right. So he's right. Buccaneer. Robert.

So whoever said he's wrong is just objectively wrong because it's only used for pirates. But what would a so he was saying when he was caught in the park I'm not a pirate? Yeah, he's so if you look up like

so that word being used and so is that what we think now is a pirate? Well in the ancient Greek world buccaneers and pirates especially the Thracian ones human traffickers were you're doing human trafficking. So he was right. That's crazy. That's what they're

known, they were known for, like, um, the Thracian pirates were known for that. We had to do, it would steal, it would steal people and sell them to the, to the Scythians for slaves. We just had to do so much freaking work to figure that out. That's, that's that scholar. That's crazy. Did some scholarship right there. Oh my lord. But that's how you, that's how you look up etymologies of words when, well, that's how you do it. I mean, that's, that's all Amo's doing. He's saying, look, he's being called this title. He's got a kid running away from him. It's like he's just putting two to two together

and saying it looks like something's going on here. And like, look, people might not think that's a good interpretation, whatever. But he's, it's, it's, it's legit, right? Yes. It's still, it's possible, you know? It's, it's entirely possible. Yeah. What do you think

Jesus was? What do you think? Who was Jesus for real? I think he was a mystic. I think he was well educated. I think he knew about the mystery religions of the time period. I think he was also devoutly Jewish. And I think at that time, Judaism, it wasn't Judaism, what we would say today, that's rabbinic Judaism comes after 70 AD. So when Jesus was around, it was a whole different type of religious atmosphere going on in that period.

And there was a lot of magician stuff going on, a lot of, like, you know, Simon Magis. the title Magus those are like people who perform miracles and Jesus was one of those characters so Jesus was you know the title Magas

or Magi these were people around and by the way he's the Magi are the ones finding the baby Jesus right a lot of the early Christians in the sources had that title like Marcus Magus was an early Christian

Simon Megas was an early Christian. These magi or magus characters were in the business of performing miracles and doing mystery rights, initiations, baptisms, Eucharist, magic mystic ceremonies, basically. And Jesus was one of these characters performing these magic rights. So was he just doing drugs? Drugs are involved. psychedelics are involved

and look let's let's go to the sources right what epiphanius talks about an early Christian sect that he says descended from the Nicolations Nickelations are mentioned

in Revelation so we're talking first century and they split off into a bunch of different groups there's the Borberites the Zakians the Phibianites

the Socrates Codians Barbelites Barbellites Saccundians There's more. I just wanted to give a whole handful of list. There's a whole bunch of them. Right. And these are all branching off of this Nicolation sect.

According to Epiphanius, this is what he says. I'm just repeating what the sources say. It's not like a theory that I have. This is just what the sources say. And according to, they had their own text. There was a gospel of Mary. Now, people might say, I've read the gospel of Mary. It's not this one.

There's a different gospel of Mary. It's called like the questions concerning Mary or something. That's how Epiphanes refers to it. But they call it a gospel. And even Epiphanes says, they call it a gospel. And it's a different gospel, very different gospel. And in this text, the Aldeboeth is there. He's the God of the Hebrew God, right?

Jesus is the son of a different God called Barbello. Barbello. And Barbello is associated with Sophia. They call it the mother father. It's like a figure. It's like this very fascinating, deity that is like the creator of all things, wisdom incarnate, descending from the highest ions of the monad, right?

This is what they say in the text. But there's an eighth heaven and Jesus and Barbello are from, they rule that heaven. We're on the below it. We're in the seventh heaven where heaven and earth is. And Yelda Boeth rules this. I'm just laying out what their ideas are. But what they did, according to this gospel. Jesus takes Mary up on a mountain.

Heads with her. Mary Magdalene. By the way, Mark says the one he, if you put it next to Mark, we just read it. Mark says Mary Magdalene, the one whom Jesus took seven demons out of. Mark said that. Mark's gospel says, we just read that. Yeah, Mary Magdalene, the one who he exercised seven demons out of. What is that?

But this is what these Borberites said. That Jesus took her on, this is in the sources. Right. Jesus took her on a mountain. This is in their gospel. So it's not just like in rumor. This was written in a gospel. Jesus took Mary onto a mountain.

Had sex with her. Told her to make it to the kingdom of heaven. He has to eat his flesh. She has to eat his flesh and drink his blood. And he made her a Eucharist with his load. Yes. What the God, dude. And that's what it says.

And by the way. And so who, Mark? wrote that? We don't know who wrote this. We don't know who wrote this. We have no idea. It's a lost gospel, but it's cited in the sources. It existed all up until the third century, and then we started losing, and it's not mentioned it. It existed all up to the third century. And this was found on a papyrus scroll. No, no, this is just cited by people in the third century. Epiphanius. Oh, it's cited. Yeah. Epithanius is one of these early saints in the church. He's talking about this in his text called the Panerian. Okay. And he's, so then he continues. He says,

that's in their gospel. But then we know, he says, they perform the craziest rituals where they take psychedelics they speak in tongues they prophecy the future and they eat babies so this was I'm making this up

it's so crazy if someone's watching this like what is he talking about just look it up Panarion by Epiphanius against the Borberites or actually look at Borberites on Wikipedia Wikipedia even says this Borberites on Wikipedia

BORR Steve B-O-R-B-O-R-B-O-R-B-R-I-T-E-S. Right. It's in the Wikipedia page. So, this is like well-known scholarship. All the people that were writing back then, how do we know, how do we, it's hard to determine, like, who was, like, what their motives were behind what they were writing. Or if they had axed, an axe to grind against somebody or an idea or a religion, or if it was just like a, a, a, um, an ancient tablo.

right like the national inquirer of antiquity and so how do you like even if this exists among all these other pieces of writing like how do we know to take that for real or if that an ancient writer could have been full of that's a good question that that's you're thinking like a scholar right now because a lot of like Bart Ehrman is one of the people who think that epiphanious is slandering them he thinks none of this happened that epiphanius wants people to not like them so he's making making up like, oh, they eat babies. Right, right. Which could be true.

Right. Or there could be something in the middle. Well, that's what we say. It could be somewhat true. Maybe they are doing Eucharist with some stuff, just like psychedelics or whatever. Maybe they're doing, maybe not eating aborted babies. That sounds like crazy.

That's like what we say about Hillary Clinton today. Right. People are slandering people. And sometimes the truth is halfway in the middle. That's how I would, that's how I would approach it. I would take it with a grain of salt because epiphanius does not like these people. You got to remember that. He's writing about people.

does not like. So you got to take out the grain and salt. But then you got to think like if he was wrong, somebody might have wrote and said, hey, epiphanis is wrong about this. We don't have anything like that. Nobody can test that what he's saying. Okay. So that's another thing you have to look, think about. So, you know, it could be somewhere in the middle. Right. That's what I would say. Now, Mary Magdalene, what is there contention? Because Amin also said something about her being a prostitute. Yeah. Or,

it's pretty obvious. And then some people think that they were married, right? There are people who think that they're, they're, I mean, it's. What is the contention there? And what, uh, it's just the way Mary is presented in all of the gospels, not just the ones we have, not just the four main gospels, but the extra additional apocryphal but gospels. There's another gospel of Mary too where Mary is the one who gets all the secret wisdom that

none of the other got, none of the other apostles have. She's the highest of all of them. And that's called the Gospel of Mary. That's the different. That's the one that we have that was found in the Nag Hammadi Scrolls in Egypt. But the way she's presented is like she's just always around him. She's always with Jesus. She's always, she's got other girls that are like following her.

So she has her own entourage and that she's following Jesus with his entourage. It looks like they're together and they're like both operating some sort of mission, whatever it is. They're both pimps. Whatever. This is what the mystery religions were like in the first century. Right. And especially we look at the Dionysian religions. And by the way, someone might say,

the Dionysian and Christians are opposites. Actually, John Kloppenborg, mainstream scholar, one of the great academics of our time, wrote a whole book called Christ Associations. And he points out in that book that the way early Christian churches operated, they're called Ecclesias. they were almost

following the the playbook of the Dionysian Ecclesias. They were doing everything the same. So they're both both groups are doing like oh they bury their dead in the same catacombs together.

They do specific rights at dinner parties the way they bring out stuff. The way, like he's basically saying like the evidence shows that the Dionysian groups and the Christian groups

were operating in the same way just worshipping different gods. Obviously they're worshipping Christ here, the representing Dionysus. So the devotees of Dionysus were similar in the way they handled themselves and carried themselves to the way the Christians were. So this is not like crazy to think that the mystery religions of the first century could have looked a lot like what these early Christians, what Jesus and Mary were doing.

Yeah. Just in Judea. Just through the Jewish worldview in their tongue and their Syriac, whatever language they were. Syriac was probably the language they were speaking in, which is like an Aramaic Hebrew. Is that what Jesus spoke? Probably Syriac. Syriac? Yeah.

It's a form of Aramaic that was popular in Nazareth. That was like the native tongue of the Nazareans. So that's probably what Jesus spoke in. I think Amon said he spoke Greek. Amon's just like diehardt. He just like Greek. He's just a Greek. Well, here's the thing.

Amon's going to say, well, show me a text where Jesus is speaking in Syriac. Okay, you're right. We don't have that. We're just basically guessing on what was the language of Nazareth? It was Syriac. And there was Greek everywhere, though. So he probably knew some.

Everyone knew Greek. It was the language. That's like English today. If you like you can be here in Florida. There's places where Spanish is big, right? But everyone knows little English. Yes. So he had to have known Greek to some extent because that was the lingua franqua of that period in the Eastern Roman Empire.

Right. So yeah, almost not wrong. He did speak Greek. Yeah. At least some of it. At least he had to have, especially how educated Jesus was. I don't buy this idea that he. There were just some random fishermen.

Even the Talmud says that Jesus was close to the government. His mother was close to the government. And there was a trial. And everybody was, it was like the trial took long or something because he was so close to the government. And like, if you're going to, and we're taking the genealogy seriously, which I really don't think you should. I think it's made up. But his genealogy says he's from the Davidic line. Like, if that's true, then he's probably somewhat important.

Right, right? He's probably not just some random poor guy hanging out with some random fishermen. So there probably was, there probably were like, what is the Davidic line? From King David's line. Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. So if that's, if that's any somewhat true, then he would be somewhat important, right? So, I mean, who knows if that's true or not. But what I'm saying is if you look at, if we look at the parables that he taught and the things that he's saying, he's very well educated in the philosophies of the time period. He comes off as like a synonymous. slash stoic. That's what he comes off. So if you read the stoics of the first century, by the way,

stoicism came out of cynicism. Diogenes was the great cynic philosopher. He invented the school of cynicism. He lived in the same time as Plato. They hate each other. They're arguing against him all the time. But Diogenes' student was

Cretes. And then Craties' student was Zeno. Zeno invented the school of stoicism. So Stoicism. comes out of cynicism. By the time you get to the first century, the stoics were huge, and they ended up blending in with the Platonist. Middle Platonism is stoicism plus Platonism. And that's, that was the dominant philosophy of the first century. And if you look at Jesus's parables and the way

he taught, he lines up with the middle platonist philosophy of the day. So he obviously was educated, taught middle platonism. You know, it's just, it's so, like, it's such a weird. It's such a weird. thing to such like to me at least it's such a bizarre field to study just like these ancient texts and what was going on in these ancient religions and all the different translations and all the people telling these stories that happened hundreds of years earlier like i was just watching this video this morning about uh the library of alexandria and this guy was explaining um how the modern idea of this great library that hold all that held all the knowledge of the world was like like, I think it was like 400 BC.

And he was basically... Alexander? Yeah, Alexander. Around 300 BC. Okay, around 300 is when it was at its, it's like peak, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But at his point of this video, he was trying to explain, like, how shit just gets lost in translation. And he was like, it was where Alexandria is in northern Egypt, he, yeah, this is the video.

I love him. I watch every video he puts out. Yeah. He's so, he's, yeah. This is a great. He's the real deal. By the way, the title. is fantastic too. Pre-modernness. I love him.

The boring truth about the library of Alexandria. He explains in this video. I'm a huge fan of him. I hope he sees this. Yeah. I want to get him on my channel. He explains like where Alexandria was, those books would not have survived in that humid environment. They would have to have kept making copies and copies and copies to keep them up to date so they wouldn't just disintegrate. And then he goes, modern people think the burning of the library of Alexandria

by either the Christians, the Muslims, or Julius Caesar, right? So Julius Caesar apparently did it around like 50 BC. Right. And well, that's 300 years later. Those books would never have, most of them, there's no way

they would have all survived that long anyways. And he's like around 50 BC, he's like, that library wasn't all that important. There was other libraries. There was like the Serapium and these other, you know, places. Pergammon. Pergamon. Pergamon had a huge library at

that time. Antioch Syria, Rome, the major cities all had their own libraries at that time. By 50 BC, Alexandria wasn't even, it didn't matter because everything was already in these other libraries at the time. But think about like this. How different is the world from now between the time

of the following fathers? 300 years ago. Completely, we don't even, who knows what they lived like? Who knows what books they had? Everything's different now. The same would go for, it's probably even worse between

300 BC and 50 BC. That's the same amount of time period, almost, maybe a little bit less. But we're talking roughly the same amount of time has passed from 300. We think of the ancient world. We think of, oh, 300 BC to 200 BC,

everything was probably around the same thing, but no, it's 100 years past. Everything's different now. Every 50 years, things are different. Even 50 years ago, everything was different than it is today. So you've got to think, by 50 BC,

whatever was happening in the library of Alexandria is not what was happening in 300 BC. It's a different world. Right. And another point that he makes is that the first people to write about the burning of the library of Alexandria was 200 AD. Yeah. Writing about something that happened apparently in 50 BC.

Right. So that's another problem of sources. Do they know? Yeah. Well, here's another. So that's, this is what I would say about that. This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Verso. The older I get, the more I want to invest in my health.

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If you keep remembering that, it's like we don't even, there's a lot of stuff we don't know about, you know, or we just lost. And then you have to go off of secondhand sources. What does the person say about the text? That's how you, they're called fragments. A fragment means the text survives, but not in its original form. It's like somebody citing another text. For example, a big example of this would be Eusebius is a church historian from the time of, of Constantine, 325 AD.

And he wrote a text called Preparation for the Gospels, Preparatio Evangelica. And in that text, he like copies chunks of other texts that we lost. That's him. And he preserves all this ancient stuff that we wouldn't have it if wasn't for him. So we have to go through a text to find another text. So they call those fragments. It means that we don't have the real text, but we have someone else. writing about that text.

That's what a fragment is. Yeah. It's just a freaking... So you can piece together like the text that we lost from what people are saying about them. Right. We've lost out of Homer's text.

We only have the Homer's Iliad and Homer's Odyssey, but he wrote eight of those. So he wrote a text called the Achilles, which is the prelude to the story of the Iliad. It's Achilles when he grew up. Apparently he grew up

among the Amazonian tribes. the women. He grew up as a girl. Who did? Achilles. Oh, yes. The great warrior hero Achilles. The symbol of masculinity grew up as a female,

as a girl. Yeah. Because he had to hide himself from Hera. But Homer wrote all these different texts, the Achilles had, he wrote,

I can't remember the other ones called. But he wrote like 10, I think they said he wrote eight major epics. We only have two of them. But. And Homer was also, he was like a like a medical guy like a doctor

Homer he's a bard A barred. A bar. It's like a singer or a rhapsodist So they he performs He sings his time like the Iliad was sung It wasn't a book that you just read Oh I'm thinking of somebody else. It was a performance It was a whole full-blown performance in a theater That's what the Iliad was probably like the way you'd go to Star Wars and everybody's like

The new Star Wars is out and like the new Homer just dropped That must have been nuts. Holy shit. Homer's text the Achilles, the one I just mentioned. We don't have the original Greek. We have a Latin version from a guy named Statius from the Roman period. So he rewrites Homer's text in Latin. That's why we have the Achillesad.

Not from the Homer, from the Latin version. So that's how you can piece together's text that we lost. So we don't have the original Greek? No. Wow, dude. Yeah. That is so great. There's a lot of texts like that.

There's a lot of... Who was the guy I'm thinking of? The Greek guy who talked about, like, ancient remedies and medicines. It's all about, it's all in the chemical music. Galen. Galen, that's who I'm thinking of. Galen. By the way, Galen, it was such a big deal.

He became... Galen's works, because he's... Galen's drawing from the guys before him, deascorides, uh, um, asclepietes. These are all like medical, medical texts that they're, These ancient writers are talk.

Hippocrates is another one. And Galen takes all this stuff and he writes, you know, he writes, Galen writes his stuff. And he's drawing from these sources, but he's writing all the up-to-date medical procedures, how to do certain medical procedures, what medicines to prescribe. He writes hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages, dozens and maybe even 100 books about medical stuff. Galen's works become the standard medical text from two from the second century all the way to the Enlightenment. It means Galen was the go-to forever until the Enlightenment. Then nobody could top him.

That's how good he was. That's what? It's just nothing like. So they said Galen and Aristotle are the two pillars of the West from the from from the time of Aristotle till the Galen. So from the second century all the way until 16th, 17th century, Galen and Aristotle are dominating medicine, science, and philosophy. That's where you go to.

That's so wild. And that's why people still think people will, the term dark ages. The consensus is that it wasn't as dark as we thought. But I think you can make a case that, look, before, before the Middle Ages, you had all these great, you had Euripides, you had Virgil, Ovid, Aristotle, Plato, Archimedes, all these giant, great, amazing thinkers. And then between 500 AD, up until 1600, for 1,000 years, there's like, you can't, there's no comparison from the ancient to that period. the thousand years before 500 AD everything is just

amazing thinkers amazing new new advancements all this and then and by the way what's his name I can't remember the guy's name right now scientist he talks about this he got in trouble for saying this

he said I think the dark ages is a legit term and like maybe it isn't maybe it is but at least as far as like as far as writing good classic text that stopped from like 500 AD until 1600. Can you name a classic text from 700 AD? No.

No one can. I mean, I'm sure the experts can. But in the household titles, like Ovid's metamorphosis, Homer's Iliad, it's all in the ancient stuff. It's all pre-middle ages. Right. And then the Enlightenment is where all these, all these, it's Shakespeare, you got all this and it's like, it's like we're back, baby. And what do you think contributed to that? Christianity.

And this is a hot take. There are going to be some academics that are going to see this and say, he's wrong. The consensus is that the dark ages wasn't so dark. I don't, I don't, I'm not convinced about that. I think it was. I think the dark ages is a legit term that should be used. That's a hot take.

I'm going against the grain with that one. Huh. Yeah. I think it was Christianity. What about Christianity? I think it set up a new world where the main, the main focus was church go to church you know work or become a soldier for the for the roman army or whatever the frankish army or be a farmer or then be a pat be a chah it was like the world was just

centered around the church there wasn't anything like before the church it was there was all these different worldviews there's all these different philosophies the stoics the cynics the the The Epicureans, the playwriters, the whatever, the, you have the tragic writers, you have the comic writers. And then all of a sudden, it's like, from, you know, from the time of Justinian, until we get the enlightenment, it's like it's just all, all, it's like, all the texts are all church fathers. Right. It's all on the Trinity. It's like, oh, a new, a new saint wrote another book about the Trinity. great.

That's like all the text you get from that period. And it's like the whole focus of the Western world is just on the church. Right. It's all anyone cared about. They became, that was, that was the world. Now, what do you attribute to, to all the great thinkers of the time of Plato and Aristotle and Socrates and the creation of democracy and the scientific method and all this stuff? What caused that? Yeah.

Like, what do you think was, was, we're supposed? responsible for that time and the creation of those or there's a development of people who were able to come up with these crazy ideas and theories that affect us today the idea the ability to debate to have dialogues and not dogma when you have a dogma that this has to be true and anyone who doesn't believe it is a heretic and would burn at the stake versus everybody can pitch in and give their two cents and disagree and agree and agree and Of course there were dogmas back then too Of course there were people like for example Socrates is famous He got He got condemned for importing foreign gods and leading people

Of course there was still that stuff going on But not at the degree in the middle ages Where you couldn't be a pagan in the middle ages You're done It's a heresy You get burned for witchcraft for that So what I think I think what contributes And by the way Richard Carrier

him and I don't get along but whatever he's right about this there's a term they call it the Greek miracle and they're like people look at the classical period during the pre-Socratic era up until Plato and they just go what the hell

happened right it's just an explosion of intellect yes and it's like it's hard to even describe it just explosion of intellect during that time period it never been seen before never been seen again until 17th century I wonder if it was psychedelics.

I think that's a great theory because psychedelics rewires the brain. And look, we know they were doing psychedelics because the Ellazinian Mysteries was centered around Kaikian, which is a drink that they made using a, it was a potion. We don't know

exactly what was in the potion. There are some iconography to suggest that mushrooms were involved. But there's also ergot, which is fermented grain. Right. And they would take this drink and they would, it was called being inspired by the god,

anthogenic. This chikian was what, like an ancient beer or something? Yeah, ancient beer, ancient wine. They would use wine and or beer, depending on who was making it. And it was a potion with psychedelics. And they would drink this drink. And look, the Elezania Mysteries, there's the Catholic Church and everyone was the dominant religion of the Western world, Orthodox in the East, right?

Before that, though, the Elizanian Mysteries dominated everything. It was the biggest thing there was. There's a story from a guy named, what's his name? Nicholas of Damascus. Okay. A guy named Nicholas of Damascus wrote a story about people traveling all the way from India

to get initiated into the Elizanian mystery. That's how famous they were. They were traveling from India through Persia, through Babylon, through Anatolia, all the way till Ionia, all the way, get on a boat, and then go to Athens.

Just to get initiated into the mysteries and it happened once a year where they do the initiations. And Plato was initiated. Socrates was initiated. Alexander the Great was initiated. Augustus was initiated. Cleopatra, Julia Domna,

all the greatest, most famous people you can think of were all initiated in the elysinian mysteries there's another one called the samothracian mysteries which is on the island of samothrace and it was older but it was almost as famous we know that philip of macedon the father of alexander the great was married there to olympias when he was he was prince of macedonia and she was princess of ebores and they met at the initiation ceremony but anyways long story short they said that at these mysteries at these initiations, people would, their lives would be transformed and they no longer feared death. So whatever this experience was, we don't know much about it because it was secret.

And this is how secret it was. Ascalis was one of the famous poets from the 5th century BC. He wrote the Promethean trilogy. Great Promethean trilogy. He got almost killed. He had to go on trial. He won the trial, but he was guilty of revealing the mysteries of the Elizinians. You weren't allowed to do that.

You weren't allowed to tell anybody what was going on there. So all the texts we have is like very like, oh, like what exactly goes on inside of there? We don't really know. But we know that when people leave, they report that their lives were transformed forever. The only thing we do know is we know that there was a saying when you went in there. And you had to say these words. It's almost like when they said, you know, when you get a Eucharist, I don't know if you're Catholic or not. If someone watching might understand this.

When you get a Eucharist, you put your hand out and you say, they say, body of Christ, amen. Well, the Elysadian Mysteries had their own version of this where you would take, you would, after your initiative, you would say, I have drinking from the cup. I have grabbed the, it's like, I have received the image and I place it back in the chest. Those are the words you have to say. We don't really know what it means. We just have a couple of sources that say this. So you drink from the cup, you receive the image, and you put it back, whatever that means. And they report, the people who are initiated said their lives were transformed forever,

and they no longer feared death because the whole point of the initiation was salvation. And they said that if you were initiated in the mysteries, when you die, there's a special place for you in. Hades designated for the initiates of the mysteries. It's called Elysium. And it's where everybody just parties 24-7 in bliss. And so when you got initiated, you know it was like getting your confirmation at the church. It was like, I'm part of the part of heaven now. So that idea of salvation definitely is credited to the Elysanian Mysteries.

Wow, man. And it was psychedelics. Didn't Brian Merarescu do some studies on what was inside of some of these, these old like vases and they've like found like remnants of what's in there and studied like the chemical compounds or breakdown or whatever's in there. Yeah, his book is amazing.

Yeah, the immortality key. Got it got to read that. What is this? Elysium fields? Elysian fields according to Homer located. Yeah, this is where you go. This is the place in Hades because Hades has different places in it.

It's the underworld. Tartarus is the pit. Tartarus is where people go to get tortured. That's the, That's where you, that's hell. Elysium is above Tartarus. That's where you go and that's where all the people who are good people and initiates. So you go there, if you get initiated, you're saved.

Kronos, like it says, Kronos is the ruler. Kronos rules Elysium and then Hades or Pluto rules Hades with his wife, Persephone, who's called the Corey. Right. And so that's where you get the fortunate aisles. And so there's a whole map down there. but that's where people that that was the ancient uh heaven that was the ancient underworld or heaven in hell or right next to each other oh and just like right right across the street oh and by the way in the new testament reflects this because there's a there's a parable about uh the the the wit

the rich man and the beggar and the rich man ends up in hell and he's like begging the the beggar who's up there with abraham it says he's in the bosom of abraham and And he's saying, give me a drop of water. And Abraham was like, it's too late. You should have, you should have, you know, you should have repented before it was too late. And like, they're right next to each other. The heaven and hell. So even, even in the New Testament, the idea of heaven and hell are right next to there is reflected right there.

That's so wild. Yeah. So it's not that, it's not that far off from Judeo-Christian cosmology. They're all, look, we like to put a force-fueled around Israel and then say, these are all pagans, and then this is the monothea. and they had different religions going on. That's not what it was. They were all borrowing from each other. They were all within the same cosmology.

They all believe in different stuff, but they all, at the end of the day, it's all interrelated. It's like Marvel and DC comics. Like that separation didn't really happen. They were all in the same universe. They were all worshipping different gods and different rituals, but they all believe somewhat of the same stuff. Like it was all borrowing from each other. Right. Right.

And going back to the Elyssinian mysteries, like there was a lot of depictions of the pine cone. Yeah. Like somebody had the pine cone staff. Yeah. The thersoe. The therces. The therces.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dionysus held a staff. And he wore an ivy diadem on his head. But he had this staff. It was called a thyrsus, and it had a pine cone on top and a ribbon on it. And it was a magic wand called a rambos. That means wand in Greek, but the staff was called a thyrsus, but it was a type of romdos, which is a wand.

And it was a magic staff. Yeah. By the way, Jesus, the oldest images of Jesus in the world that we have are not this old bearded guy. It's a shaven young guy holding a wand. You can look it up. Jesus with wand. Watch this. Jesus with a wand?

Yeah, type in Jesus with wand. This is the oldest image of Jesus in the world. This is what he looks like. The oldest image of Jesus? Those are the oldest images of Jesus. Yeah. Those are from catacombs from the second and third century. You don't have anything from the first century.

Where? Where is it catacombs, probably somewhere in Italy somewhere? Blow that up, Steve? Yeah. That's one of, I'm not going to, we don't know which one's older, but these are the oldest images of Jesus that exist. They're the top ten. What is he supposed to be doing right there?

He's holding a wand out. He's raising Lazarus from the dead. That's what that is. Huh. And by the way, look at it. He's got no beard. And how do we know that's supposed to be Jesus? It's the Christian catacombs.

Oh. Yeah. The whole catacombs is all scenes from the Bible. Oh, really? And all of them look like that. They all of them have a young, no perfectly shaven boy. Jesus is young. He's in his 20s, right?

Right. He died around 30, 33. Right. So, yeah, he's just a young guy with a magic wand in his hand. He holds a wand. He's a magician. What do you do you think there's any connection between the pie the depiction of the pine cone and the pineal gland? Could be.

Could be. I mean, that's where that's where the word pineal gland comes from, right? Because it looks like a pine cone. That's what they said. Right. So there's probably something. There could be something going on there. And by the way, we know the ancients were taking, we're opening up bodies to look at the inside.

Galen. Galen, yes. Galen writes about the insides of the brain, what it looks like. He maps out the whole human body. So they knew what the body looked like. I knew what the inner brain looked like. They knew what a pineal gland was. They might have called the inside.

something else. But they knew what it looked like. So that's possible. Maybe there's a wand inside of us with the pineal going on top. That could be what they thought. I would say that's a decent theory right there. I would say that makes sense. And it makes it also

makes sense like the ubiquitous use of drugs back then because of all of the famine and all of the people dying from combat and combat injuries and the plagues that were going on all the time. Josephus is rough. Joseph is rough. Josephus writes about first century Israel.

And there are scenes where he says, when I was walking through Nazareth and the whole road was just thousands of people on crucified, dead bodies. The whole Israel was like that because it's war torn. They're getting destroyed by the Romans during the 60s, late 60s, 80. And he says in this one village, everybody was starving to death. There was no food and the Roman centurions went into, they started smelling something cooking. And they were starving. They're like, who's cooking? Who's got food?

Let's go get it. And they ran into a building. And there was this woman named Maryam, Mary, Maryam in Greek. And she was eating her baby. My God, dude. That's how bad it got. So, yeah, first century was a different world. It's so freaking wild to think about.

Just imagine walking through the countryside of Judea and just seeing in the distance a whole row of wood wooden stakes with people crucified on that. And it's just like, that's crazy. So is it true that the two guys that were crucified next to Jesus were also traffickers or pirates? That we don't know. We don't know what they were doing. There's no text that indicates what they were doing. That's something I won't say to. That's what he said.

They were both. They were both lace days. He might have a source to prove that. I don't know where he got that from. I'm not going to deny it. Like he might have a source to indicate that. I never heard that though. But here's the thing about album.

He says a lot of stuff that initially you go, huh? And then if you just ask him and press him on it, he'll show you where he got it from. He's never not had, he's always backed up everything he says. Yeah. So I'm sure he's, I'm sure there's a reason why he has. He brought in a book. He brought in an actual book of Galen, like a shirt. wrote it to me and I was like looking through it. He's pointing out things to me on certain pages

and showing it to me and we were like looking it up and yeah incredible dude that was like I think that's what he got his PhD and was like uh studying gaelin which is like medical text so he's all his he's like medically ancient Greek medically minded that's why he sees everything through that lens where he's when he's reading stuff he'll think about it through that lens and what was the story so he got he got ousted from the university he was at because he was setting he was uh He was putting together a play based on the god of the... Priapus. Priapus, yes, that's what it was.

Priapus was the son of Aphrodite and Dionysus. He was like a divine child. His son. He's always depicted as having a huge erect bribus. And people would take these priapus statues and they put them in their front lawn like a gnome. Right, right. To scare off animals.

That's pretty cool. But he was writing a play for his students because he was a class as his teacher. That's metal. And he, he, he was, the phallus was a huge ancient Greek. That's the fat, like, those are the statues, right? And he was, he was showing this in class. And they fired him for that.

But guess what happened, though? His students rebelled and had a protest and shut down the school for a day. There was a whole article written about it. After he was kicked out. Yeah. Well, wasn't there like an investigation by the Catholic Church? Yeah. He got investigated by the Catholic Church for all types of stuff.

for summoning demons and opening portals. That's what it says. That's what the court says. Yeah, they're, and there are, and you know all the Catholic churches. You go to Italy, they really do exorcisms. They really believe, like, even in 2024, they're still, they still do exorcisms. They have buildings in Italy that are for people who need to be exercised, like little, little, you know how we have like these local medical places you can go in, those quick medical, what, New York State has them. I don't know what they have them here.

Urgent cares. Urgent cares. Urgent care. They have like, they have Exorcism Urgent Cares in the state in the country of Italy. No way.

Yes. That's, yeah. Look up. Yeah, you have to look at it. Italy, uh, exorcism, uh, locations. Yeah, they do them there. It's a job too scary for young priests. No, there's, they're still doing.

Uh, what's his name? Just had a type in, uh, Italy Exorcism 2024. Yeah, try that. Try that. Yeah. No, this is a movie. Keep going. Scroll down.

Scroll down. Hold on. Curson. You can try to find some locations. I just saw resurgence. Something said resurgence. Resurgence of exorcism in Italy, see? Oh, there you go.

Click that, yeah. Good catch. Zoom in on that. Happily, we are, what is this website? Christian Healing Ministries. We are rediscovering the fullness of the ministry of healing and deliverance from evil spirits. We know that there were embarrassing extremes during the 14th through the 17th centuries when preachers were fascinated with the witches and witchcraft, and there was a shameful number of

burnings, including Joan of Arc. Then came a massive turnaround featured by increasing skepticism about the very existence of angels and of Satan in particular. The skepticism is still largely with us. Since we are still learning about the healing and deliverance, we should be eager to learn from anyone who might have something valuable to teach us. So when I read about the new book that has come out entitled the Vatican Exorcists, driving out the devil in the 21st century.

I quickly ordered it. And I went, okay, so this guy is, this guy is talking about. Do you know who Cameron Bertuzi is? No. He's a Christian YouTuber, big, he's got like 500,000 subscribers. He's huge. He just had an interview with an exorcist a couple of days ago. And this is where I heard this from.

Oh, really? The exorcist says in Italy, they have these pop-up exorcist places. People can just go to. Is this exorcist they interviewed in Italy? I don't know if he was in Italy He spoke English But I think he's I think he got trained in Italy Because he was a Catholic

So he had to do training They did like full training He's an exorcist He was telling him crazy stories That's so crazy He has to like diagnose if they're real or not First I wonder how they do that

Because people fake them Which I think they all do Or maybe not Maybe they're just really like Feeling it I don't know I don't know how to explain What the hell is going on

With an exorcist Like that's some next level psychology shit going on I wonder if they film it when you really put yourself into a certain mindset and go full full with it it's real there's that physical feeling is real whatever it is whatever psychology behind it is i don't know how to explain that i'm not you know but there's something going on yeah it's definitely something real about it yeah i think the same thing for the dionisian religions of the ancient world they're probably

because when they would say when you were inspired by dionysus you would feel the mania from it that you'd feel it. It's like a whole it's like a different version of the Holy Spirit right in that sense. So I'm sure they were feeling all the same emotions for their gods too. Mm. Yeah. No, I think that's probably the case with some of these exorcism people. They just, they're, I bet you if you, if you really did a study on like all those people that are getting exercised or think they're possessed or believe to be possessed, I would imagine they would have to be really, really, um, religious people. Yeah. And really believe in Jesus and same. Satan and angels and demons. And if you found, I would be curious, like, I doubt there's any atheists who get possessed by demons.

Probably zero. Here's another example of that. And you know, let's check this out. And they're probably just, they probably just go into the psych word. They probably don't think it's a demon. They just think they're crazy. Yes. Former bastard.

How old are you? This guy's about to flip out. Yeah. Just trying to look at me. Wow. I'm trying not to let this thing manifest look. Right now so you can talk. Okay.

So. He's possessed. 56 is a Christian and former pastor. He's been dealing with entrenched demons his whole life. His mother was a victim of incest. Previous attempts, Sam's demonization is complex and deep. Bob must first start to get him. He was a pastor, though.

Yes. Exactly. He probably planted the seeds in his own mind. Yep. Here's the drama. Oh, he's faking. He's a bad actor. It's like role play.

Yeah, it does look at roleplay. They're never going to look at that guy this same ever again. Did that whole church are never going to look at him the same ever again after this? And witchcraft? Witchcraft? So, yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're just selling it now.

Like a stage play. Yeah. revenge so we've got murder to say he's into it well he like that's alien shirt

yeah he's we all yeah he's he's selling it dude there's no damn that's so fake yeah

you do they plan that out absolutely I think yeah I think they probably planned it out they hired the video for her like they're trying

to blow up their YouTube channel yeah you're right there's definitely a video hide that's a good camera yeah they have they have

they had that all planned out yeah I mean but Like, I bet you just not, they're not all planned out, but these people probably have mental health issues. And if you want to call, like, if we're going to call it spiritual or mental, there might be some sort of gray area. Like we call, like whatever you want to call it, right? Yeah. They might have those emotional problems that are going on.

And, you know, some might call it spiritual. Some might call it emotional. But I think there's just two words describing the same thing. Right. You know, whatever it is. What was the burning purple? Do you know what I'm talking about? There was a recent article that came out

where they discovered like this purple dye in Egypt or something. Yeah, I'm glad you brought those out because this is going to bring us back to the Christian stuff. So there is a lot of these ancient texts concerning the mysteries, there's always a reoccurring thing about this drug or drink

that was considered to be burning purple. And a lot of these seers, which are prophets, were described with like purple stained teeth because they're drinking this shit right um and that's what they called burning purple and so but get this there's a there's a group of christians called the valentinians and just to do a quick little run up to back i'll bring it back to the purple i promise but this guy named valentinus was a really famous christian in the second century maybe late

first too but he really became like famous in the second early second to middle second around 140 AD, somewhere around 140, 139, 141, whatever, one of those years. He ran during the election for the next Bishop of Rome, which is what the Pope is today. He was going to be the Pope. Okay. The Bishop of Rome is the Pope. Pontifist Maximus, it's a title that goes all the way back to Julius Caesar and beyond that. Julius Caesar was the Pontifus Maximus in his time. He was the religious leader of Rome.

People don't know that. but after Augustus the title went to whoever was the emperor and then when Constantine or somewhere right before Constantine at some point they changed it to no longer as the emperor

the Pontus Maximus they gave it back to the bishops again so the bishop the Christian bishop became the Pontivist Maximus the highest priest you can be in the Roman Empire and in the second century in the second century

when the Christian The Christians had their own Bishop of Rome, Pontifist Maximus system that was different from what the pagans were doing when they had the emperor be the Pontifist Maximus. So this is a whole different thing. Anyways, Valentine's ran for this office and he lost by like a couple votes. And he would have been the, he would have been the bishop of Rome. He would be on everyone's list of popes right now. Peter was the first pope, right? And then there's John Paul and whatever, all the way down to who's.

the pope right now. He would have been on that list. He would have been like the fifth one from Peter, fourth or fifth. He was like there's only a few between Peter and this guy. He just barely lost. I just wanted to bring that up because I want to show you how important these people were in the church early on. This is not just

some random nobody. His successor was names, his name is Marcus the Valentinian. His other title was Marcus Magis. Marcus Magis. And this guy got in trouble. He was in Rome. He was performing Eucharist and he was adding

purple, some purple substance to the drinks and it was causing people to hallucinate. It was a psychedelic potion. He was adding it to the Eucharist. We get this from Hippolysis talks about this and Ironaeus. We have two corroborating sources about this saying that this guy

Marcus, the successor of Valentinus, was performing Eucharist with burning purple in it. It says purple. It says burning, but it says He was adding purple to the drink, which put two and two together. Purple psychedelics, it has to be. Most likely it's this burning purple stuff that everyone's talking about.

Right. And so he was causing, people were tripping out and seeing, getting the Holy Spirit and seeing Jesus, Mary, whatever. Yeah. And this is what he was, he was makes, make, he was basically making it happen with this drug. So, you know, Apollitus writes about this. He says, this guy was, uh, he's a magician. He was an illusionist. He was causing people to trip out with this drug and it's purple, this purple drink, they call it.

And, but yeah, so that's, that text indicates that these early Christians were using this purple substance in their, and their Eucharist. What was it in the Eucharist itself? That's the wine. So the Eucharist is the wine, which represents the blood of Christ, and the bread is the body of Christ. Right. There is a precedent for this in the Elysinean mysteries because Demeter, is the grain goddess Dionysus is the wine

got it. So those two together when you drink the Kaikian, you're taking in the gods. And this is not like, this is what they would say too. Dionysus was entering your body when you drink this, when you drank the wine. And Demeter

was entering your body when you drank the grain, the beer. So this Kaikian mix was basically having these gods enter your body. Just like the Christians are doing with the Eucharist. Wow, dude. Since we're on the topic of Marcus Magus and this purple stuff, right.

I probably should give a little rundown because this sounds like this is so out there. Wow. Christians don't do this stuff. That's crazy. This must be not true. But if you actually look at what these early Christian groups we're doing, you'll see that this is not that out of place. I mentioned the Barberites, obviously, the one with that crazy gospel with Mary drinking the load. and there's another group called the Nascines.

These are my favorite ones. Second century, they operated in Asia Minor, modern day Turkey. And they had this, they were led by a guy named the Nasin preacher. We don't know his real name. The only sources say he's called the Nasin preacher. Never says his name. And he was basically equating Jesus with other gods like Dionysus, Addis, Adonis, Osiris pan.

So he had a hymn. It was the orphic, or no, Homeric hymn to Addis. This was an ancient Homeric age hymn dedicated to the god Attis. And in this hymn, whoever wrote it, I don't know if it was Homer or attributed to Homer, it's called the Homeric hymn. But in this hymn, basically what happens is the, it starts off with, You are the son of Kronos, great son of Rea, Dionysus, Bacchus, Addis. In Egypt, they call you Osiris. In Phrygia, they call you Pappas.

In Samothrace, they call you Adnamus. And it goes through and it lists all these sons of God characters. And they're basically saying these are all the same God. And the Nasin preacher took this hymn and then changed it to Jesus. So the Nascenes believe that all of these sons of God characters, Dionysus, Edis, Osiris, Adonis, are all prophecies or prefigurations of the Christ. He also talked about how Christ is the fulfillment of the Elysinian mysteries. So that's in the second century. Christ is the fulfillment of the Elyzina history.

What does that mean? That's what he says in his, in whatever fragment we have, So what I'm referring to in this So a guy named Hippolytus One of the great church fathers, Apolitus, he's a saint, Saint-Hapolitus. He wrote a text called Against Heresies

And in this text, he has a whole chapter about this one guy. And he preserves these texts. And one of the things he quotes from saying is this, him saying Christ is the fulfillment of the Ellicinian mysteries. So does that, is he saying Christ is being high on drugs? Could be.

That's one way to Christ is a DMT trip. Could be. I mean, that's the thing. These Nascines were into that stuff. They were into the frenzies. They were into the Bokic mania. They were into the whole prophesying,

speaking in tongues, and getting the spirit, getting wild up like that. There was another group called the ophites. By the way, Nasin means snake people. So the ophites are the nascines down in Egypt. And the nascines are the ophites in.

Asia Minor, Turkey. They're the same group. They're snake. Ophite. Ophite means snake people in Greek. Nasin means snake people in Hebrew. So they're both a snake people, but they're Christians. They believe in Christ.

The Sethians are another group that believe in this doctrine that Christ is the serpent in the garden that came to save Eve from this God yelled to Boeth and said eat this fruit. and attain nosis.

That's their doctrine. So that's why you could see why it became heresy. Right. But this is what they believed in. And a lot of Christians believed this too. It wasn't just this random. There was like 10 different sects in Donovan. Christ was the serpent.

Serpent. And then so this is. From Adam? No, no. To save them from Yaldobo, the God in the garden that was keeping him there. They're saying you're in a prison planet. And to get free, you have to eat this apple. or eat the fruit.

It doesn't say apple. It says fruit. And attain nosis. And the idea is you'll save mankind by eating the gnosis, by eating the apple, your generations coming after you

will keep getting smarter and smarter and smarter until they can become gods. So they're taking that the opposite way, where the original thing was Adam and Eve fell from paradise.

This is saying they attained nosis. and can become like gods and basically like every generation that goes by attains more knowledge in the generation before it and we're on our way to becoming

humans are on their way to becoming gods at some point in the future which could be true maybe one day we become immortal, who knows? I got a question, I got a question. Yeah. So you said that these the Nassine people these folks right here.

Yeah, yeah. Oh no, no, that's Nicene. It's N-A-S-S-S or N-E-S-E-E-S- N-A-A-N-A-S-S-N-A-A-S-N-A-S-N-E-S-E-N-E-S-E-N-E-S butterfing. Yeah, N-E-S-E-N-E-S. Anyway, so you said that they're called the snake people, right? That's your logo of your channel. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's a break, because I'll get to him in a minute. I'll get to what that is in a minute. So, go ahead. So Hillman was talking about how there was this, this drug that used a lot of snake. Venom. Yes. It was an antidote.

Yeah. These people are snake handlers. So they're obviously, like, they're, oh, no, I'm sorry. It wasn't an antidote. The antidote was a venom too. Oh, really? There's dotes and antidotes, and they're both venoms. Okay, got it.

But I can, I mean, I see a relationship there, but I don't know if that is true. I was just curious if that is a relationship. No, that would be a, because they're known, that's what Hippolytus says. See how, see how Apollitus is of Rome right there? He says that these people are snake handlers. So they're known for carrying around snakes, doing things with snakes, and using snakes for their rituals. So it wouldn't be a stretch to say that they're doing some sort of using the Vems for whatever. But the ophites are the ones in Egypt.

The Sethians are also agreeing with them in the doctrine that Christ is the serpent. And this is how they argue it. And when Moses is in the desert, this is actually backed up by the Gospels, believe it or not. This is not that heretical that you think. And I'll explain why. in Exodus, when they're in the wilderness, Moses holds up a serpent on a rod when they're all getting, when they're all thirsty and dying. I don't know if you know this passage. And he says, just look at the serpent and it will save you.

And this is what they were doing. They would go up and look at this brazen serpent and it would save them. Then in the gospel of John, there's a passage that says, it's from Jesus, his own lips. He says, just as Moses lifts up the serpent, the son of man must be lifted up. He's saying, I am this serpent. So these Christian groups are saying, no, we're not heretics. This is from John's gospel. This is from the gospel.

That's what they're saying. That's how they're arguing it. And it's interesting because the story about Moses being in the desert and they're all thirsty, that's what the snake venom does. It makes you feel it. It saves them. Yeah. Well, that's the snake venom. That's another way to, that's another crazy interpretation.

It makes you super thirsty. They're all thirsting and it's the serpent. Yeah, I love that. That makes a lot of sense. Look up just as Moses, the son of, type in just as Moses lifted up the serpent. Just type that in and then I'll show you the verse I'm talking about. There you go.

There you go. See, look at John 314, this is from the gospel of John. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up. So Christ on the cross is the serpent in the wilderness. The son of man. That means that's another title for Jesus. Oh, really?

Yeah. So basically he's saying, just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, I will be lifted up on the cross. He's basically saying, I am the serpent. It's not a, like, you can't say that's wrong. Like, I'm just saying this is what these Christians. What does that mean? He's the, he's the, he's the, he's the symbol of wisdom.

The snake was the symbol of knowledge and wisdom to the future. To this day, the medical symbol that you see in every hospital is what? Oh, yeah, the snake. Look at the symbol of the esclepius, escapious medical symbol. like a snake and a shield or something? It's a snake on a rod. A rod? Yeah.

Escle. Oh, yes, that. That's the symbol of salvation. Whoa. That's one of the ancient Greeks. That's the ambulance logo right there. Yes, look, there's a cross on and everything. Click on the blue one.

Yeah, look, that's the Chiro. Yeah, I never really, I mean, I know it was a, look up Chiro. C-H-I-R-H-O. C-H-R-H-O. See? Oh. Wait, what is this? The cross is exactly the same.

There's no snake here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is they're saying that Christ is that snake on the cross. And so the medical symbol that we have to this day, not only comes from this motif, but it predates that. It goes into the Greeks, this rod of, look up rod of Asclepius. If you can look that up real quick. Sclepius is rod. Yeah.

You can just type of an Asclepius rod. It'll work. and rod yeah see okay that's an ancient medical symbol of the greeks and so the christians are drawing from this motif that's that's what moses is doing in the desert too he's wrong they're they're they're they're applying the motif to moses it's the symbol of medicine so it this does this does play into ammon so that movie mean jesus was medicine christ is medicine christ is medicine he's salvation christ is drugs yeah dude isn't that crazy wow that's that's That's Asclepius. By the way, Asclepius is another dying and rising God, too. He gets killed and rises up to heaven.

Hmm. So it's this very common motif in the ancient Greek world for gods to die and resurrects. Very common. Hillman is just... Addis. Addis gets killed by castrating himself, and then he resurrects. There's two versions. One of them says a tree sprang up where he said, representing his resurrection. And the other version, he actually resurrects as a human. What was the term for people who castrated themselves again? Gali, Galoi. And why were people castrating themselves? They're becoming initiated into the mysteries of the great mother. And there's a lot of people who think that...

Steve, I can hear you crunching. The great mother, the great mother religion was in close proximity to these Nascines. Because they would say the Nasin hymns, one of the nascent hymns says, Christ is the son of the great mother. So there's a lot of overlap playing. Osiris is another one of these dying and rising gods. Osiris is killed by set, torn apart. And then just like in the Gospels,

where there's two women at the tomb at the end, is two women, ISIS and Nephthys who find the body of Osiris and bring it together at the end and resurrect him. And then in the Adonis story, two women are there for Adonis when he dies. Adonis is another rising, dying. This is like a common thread that we see.

It's always God dies. Two women mourn for him, and then he resurrects. It's like this weird thing that keeps happening. And it happens in the Gospels too. It's Mary and Martha. It's like, what's going on with that? What does that mean?

It might be some astro theology stuff. I don't really know. But it's, and then even back in the ancient Babylonian story with the god Damutsi, when Demuzzi dies, he's mourned over by the women. And then Ishtar descends into hell. It's called Kernugi. It's the ancient Babylonian word for hell. she goes down there it says in the text in the translation that we have from from um samuel noah kramer he's translates sumerian and it says that ishtar was down in hay's hell for three days and three nights dead transfixed on a on a uh i think it says wood doesn't say crucify but it says that she was transfixed on a piece of wood dead as a corpse for three days and it says three nights and then the god inkie

sprinkles the water of life on her and she resurrects and brings the dead up with her. That's like this lines up perfectly with what Jesus. They said when Jesus was dead, he descended into Hades for three days and then resurrects. So this motif of a god, and then check this out. This is where it gets crazy.

When is Easter? March. In March, April, springtime. It depends on the what's called the first full move. after the spring equinox. So it can happen in March, it can happen in April. Okay.

Whenever the first full moon happens after the spring equinox, which is March 22nd, I think. Okay. So after March 22nd, whenever the first full moon hits, it's the next Sunday. So you're already like,

that sounds like some pagan shit. They're basing it off the stars and the moon and stuff. Yeah. But we find out that in the ancient world, before Christianity was even existed, there was these two big, three big festivals actually. One of them is called the Adonia.

The other one's called the Hilaria. And then there's another Hilaria for Osiris. So down in Egypt, they celebrate the Hilaria. It's always in March, April. Same with the one in Rome for Addis, always in March, April. And then the Edonia is always in March April. And they're all, all of them are celebrating the death of a god, either Adonis, Addis, or. Osiris. They're always

weeping over a God and then rejoicing over his resurrection. This one in particular passed down to us from a guy named Arnobius of Sica. He says that the Hilaria Festival was a week long. It starts on March 15th and it ends on

March 20, it ends on the March. I think either March 15th or 22nd. Anyway, it's right at the spring equinox, right where Easter is. Same week as Easter. I think it ends on March 30th or something. And he says there's a day of burial where they take a pine tree that represents the God. They bury in, this is all before the first century. This is all first century BC before Christianity. Okay. They take the, they take a pine tree and they bury it in the dirt. And then they mourn for two days.

On the third day, it's called the day of rejoicing. There's a day of bluishing. There's a day of blood, and that's the day where they castrate themselves, and the initiates would become priests of the great mother. So Addis dies from castration. The new priest, every year during this Easter festival, basically, it's called the Hilaria. Hilaria. It was called the day of blood. It was the day after the day of burial, where they would weep, they would get a new initiates,

they would castrate themselves, and they'd become priests. They would wear women's clothing and everything. and on the third day it's called the Hilaria Hilaria means rejoice in Latin the third day is the day of rejoicing and they would rejoice of the resurrection of Addis

this happens at the same week as Easter Oh my God dude So the Easter tradition becomes way before Christianity Way before, way before Osiris Adis, Adonis Adonis, the Dionysus

they all have their own resurrection festivals and they're always and three of three out of them three out of four of those at the same week as Easter right but and they would bury a pine tree they'd bury a pine tree or no uh pine cone

pine tree yeah pine tree a pine tree yes and that was supposed to represent a sort of god or something the dead god attis it's called the hilarious festival look it up it's even on Wikipedia can you look that up the hilaria festival yeah

this is all known stuff by the way Christian scholars fight this. They'll say, it's a coincidence. There's no way this doesn't influence Christianity. They say it doesn't. They fight this. There's no way this influences Christianity. That's what they say. I'm a hilarious. Yeah, I'm telling you, it's all in the link. Go to the link. There you go.

Hilaria. So if you go, if you want to read that for a second. The hilaria, Latin for the cheerful one, a term derived from the borrowed adjective, the borrowed adjective. The borrowed adjective. March equinox. See? That's the great mother, Kaibli. The March equinox to our honor Kaibaly. Now, if you go down, if you go down to, it's going to say like the days, if keep going, I'll tell you when to stop.

Festival structure. Oh, yeah, this might be, here it is. Look, look, March 15th. Read, this is the whole schedule. The first festival can be tentatively reconstructed with the days of the festival literally translated as follows. 15th of March, the reed entered. Its exact significance is uncertain.

The reeds may refer. to the river banks where Addis was exposed as a child and rescued by Sibley, the nine-day period of abstinence from bread. Like how they do, like how they do, right before Easter is lent. It's like Lent, right, right. Only milk was permitted to drink. Yeah. 22nd of March, the tree entered.

A pine tree is fell. A tree is set up at the temple of Sibley. The trunk is wrapped in wool and its branches decked with wreaths and violets. It's like a Christmas tree. Right. Oh, whoa. Look, it's like a Christmas tree. Now, keep going.

A pine tree is fell. The tree is set up at the temple of Sibley. The trunk is wrapped in wool and its branches decked and reeds and violets. Yeah. And they would put little toy edduses on top of it like an angel. This is what they said in the sentences. Look, the next day, they mourn. This is exactly what I just said.

Just repeat. Look it. Then after the day of mourning is called the day of blood. Castration rituals would take place. told you. The tree is symbolically buried. Buried for his death. And then look at, look at the third day, count from the day of morning to the day of joy. Yep, the 22nd to the 25th, three days. That's three days later. Just like Jesus is dead on the third day he rises. Oh my God. Look, the day of joy, I'm not 25th, the resurrection of Addis.

Now you're going to sit there and tell me this doesn't influence Christianity. Get the out of here. You are full of these Christian scholars in the SBL Society of Bibel literature full of shit. They know this and don't care. So does it say anywhere, anywhere on this page where what part in history and the human time or the timeline of history where this started? 200 BC. Where does it say that here? Well, that's when they imported the God to Rome. And by the way, yeah, if you read the source that actually has the calendar, the guy who wrote that, it was literally.

I don't remember when exactly, but yeah, this is, this was a festival that started. The writing in the fourth century. Yeah, that's what he's writing this, though. He's a Christian. Okay. Describe the basic multi-day structure of the festivals as it relates to the myth of Sibley and Addis. But so, yeah, but that's when the Christians are writing about this. That's when the Christians are writing about it.

If you look at when the importation of the cult of Sibley happens in 204 BCE. Click on Ciboli. Yeah, click on Cibli. That's where you're going to find. Very bottom. Right there. Right there. Okay.

Cibli. God, this is a lot of work to figure out the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. No, you're asking good questions. Look, look, right there. 205BCE. Keep going down.

Oh, yeah, the very bottom. Okay. In Rome, Ciboli became known as the Magna Mater, the Great Mother. A Roman state adopted and developed in a particular form of her cult after the sibling Oracle in 205 BC. That's when they started to do in this thing. Recommended her conscription as a key religious ally

in Rome's second war against Carthage 218 BC. So... That's when they imported her cult. Okay, in 205 BC. Yeah. Yeah, wow. And then they were writing about it at 300 AD. Yeah, but that's, that Christian

source is the source that we have to go off. Right. That's how we preserved. We have to go through the Christians for almost everything. And they kept, so they kept repurposing this ritual. Sure. Throughout, throughout time, like from there up until Christianity. That's when that's when it becomes a Roman religion in 204 BC, 205. I thought it was 204.

Wow, dude. That's when they start doing that. That's when the rituals all start. Can you find any sort of picture or illustration of that ritual, like on images? Yeah, if you type an addis tree, you'll see there is a, someone, Someone from that time period drew something on this. Yeah.

Yeah. But this was a Phrygian religion before a Roman religion. And they're hanging, they're hanging things from this pine tree. See? It looks like a little Christmas tree. By the way,

the Phrygians go back to the bronze. They're from Anatolia. That's an ancient right that goes back to the Hittites. They worship the great mother in the Hittite period. Bronze age. So that's an her,

I don't know how when Addis comes in, I would say probably around probably sometime in the Iron Age. But in the Bronze Age, before that, the simile or Kubaba, they called it back then. That's how old it is. She was worshipped by the Hittites. Kubaba.

What is the, isn't there a relationship between Christmas and the Eminita Muscaria mushroom? Yeah. Yeah, they said that because under pine trees is where, this is what John Allegra wrote about, I think. If you, yeah, this is actually true. Pine trees naturally have animita muscaria grow underneath them for some reason. There's some sort of symbioticotic.

relationship between pine trees and the growth of animita muscaria. So I'm sure this cult had something to do with that. I'd be surprised if it didn't. Are you familiar with the John Allegro? Yeah. Sacred Mushroom in the crowd. What do you think about that? It's interesting.

It's fascinating. He thought that I guess he was like the the expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls or something he dedicated his life to translating the Dead Sea Scrolls. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. No, I like his work. I think it's fascinating stuff. Yeah.

I guess his conclusion was, that it was all based on ancient fertility cults and eating mushrooms. But again, I don't think it's all based on that, but I think there is that, there is a layer of that going on, especially when you look at these other groups that I've mentioned that have these rituals going on.

There is something going on with that. Right. What does it say? The symbolic relationships with many trees, including pine, oaks, bruce, fir, birch, and cedar, commonly seen under, okay, this is the animinidimuscaria. They grow up.

Underneath the pine trees, yeah. They always, whenever you, if you go to, like, on top of a, I don't know, some mountain that has a lot of pine trees, you will find anime and a media mascara underneath them. That's like a, everyone knows that. Dude, there's so much to this. Yeah, it's a lot of shit. It's crazy. How do you know all this shit? Dude.

From reading, from reading. Do you just nonstop reading text? I like to read. I like to read. Like, you know, I like to, like, that's why even, even coming here, I'll sit in Florida. I'm sit at the beach and just read, read text. I'm reading right now. I have a text from Carl Young

who co-wrote a book with Carl Correni from like 1940 and they're writing about the great, writing about Demeter and Persephone and Dionysus, the Elisani Mysteries. I was reading last night. Really? Yeah. Just to keep going through this list though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that those are the O fights. That whole thing that you just went through with Easter is mind-bending. That's the Nas scenes and they said Jesus was Addis. So that's how you know there was a connection. The Nassi and preacher says that in his text. So that's even more evidence.

That's why I don't understand why Christians are Christian scholars are so reluctant to even accept that there's. There are some that do, though. There are. It's just not the consensus. Okay. Like I'm David Litwa, Ph.D. He thinks there's an influence. He doesn't think they're like secretly worshipping Ediths, neither do I.

But I think they're just drawing from these motifs. Yeah. Which is like, who cares? Like, why wouldn't they? In any other genre of, art, there's influencing going on. Well, the thing is, people take it literally, right? Jesus dying and coming back from the dead

three days later. They literally think that happened. But how could it possibly be an event that really happened when it's taking from a tradition? You would have to say that all these traditions are prophesying Jesus. And by the way, there is someone who does that. Eusebius argues

that. When Eusebius is confronted with all these motis and all these other cultures, his response is, they're just prophesies. seeing Jesus. They're all pointing to Jesus. That's what he says. That's his response to that, which is interesting. It's a, it's a slick response. Yeah.

Then you have, say, the Caneites. The Canaanites are a group who flip everything on his head. They're like the, they're the most rebel Christian group you're ever going to find. They're called, they're named themselves after Kane. Canaanites. Canaanites. Kaneites. Well, not Canaanites.

Caneites. So, Kane and Abel, everyone knows the story. Canes the bad brother. Abel is the good brother. Kane kills his own brother because he's jealous. Right. They call themselves after him. He's the good one.

The reason why they say this is because in the story, Kane was a tiller of the land and he grew fruits and vegetables. Abel was sacrificing meat. And Yahweh or Yaldeboeth they call him, he accepted the meat offering instead of the plant offering. He says, no, he was a tiller of the land. He was a vegetarian. He was actually the peaceful one.

So they flip the story on its head. Then they say that Eve, Eve was, they said Eve was, uh, graped by God in the garden. That's one of their doctrines. He was what by God? Graped. I'm not going to say the word, our word. Oh. Sade.

Sade. Oh. Um, so they said that. And then they say, like, they have the whole idea that the Yahwehs, the demiurge is evil. They say Judas was a hero. Everything that's bad in the Bible. They say is good. That's those are the canines.

Canites. There you go. Gnostic and anti-nomian sect known as the... That means like they're... That means libertine. It means like they'll do whatever they want. There's no laws. Identified by many groups as Gnostics of evil.

Yeah. That sounds pretty cool. I'm not kidding. That's a real group that existed. That sounds pretty metal. That sounds a cool man name. Yeah. And then you have...

Then you have the carpalcrations. And the way I would describe the... the carpacrations is they were first of all they're down in egypt in Alexandria and they had they ran their group very communistic and everybody was equal you had to sell your property at the foot at the door and you couldn't everybody it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor you all were not equal under Christ they are ran by this this married married couple Carpocrates and

Marcellina who had a son named Epiphanes an Epiphanes an Epiphani was like this young prodigy. He was writing all these amazing texts in his young life. He died when he was 21. I forgot how he died. But he was such a prodigy that they deified him. And they made him equal to Jesus.

They were like he became a god. They had his own temple and everything. And the island of Kefalonia and Greece. So that's a weird Christian group right there. When was that group? Second century. Second century. Most of this is second century.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that was like, actually, no, late first too. Because Carpocrates and Marcellina were around at the end of the first century. When they had, actually, the sources say that they had their child epiphanes on the year 100. Oh, okay. So it's right around, right the turn of the century is going on. Okay. Which is by the way, this is the beginning of Christianity. The gospels aren't written until after 70 anyway. So we're talking, this is the first generation of Christians we're talking about. Yeah. This is not the second generation. This is the first generation of. Well, actually, if we're going to get technical about it, it is the second generation because we don't really, we don't know anything about like the who were the first, who was actually around following Jesus around. We just know, like, oh, one of them's name is Peter and we know James is his brother. That's crazy, but we don't really know what they were doing and what it was like. We know Paul came after. Paul never met Jesus in person.

These people claim to know Paul. By the way, the next guy I'm going to name Marcion. This is a perfect segue. into Marcianism. So Marcion is this character he's one of the archeretics of all, one of the big leading of the Gnostic Christians.

And his father, Philologus, was one of the 70 disciples of Jesus. Okay. So his father met Jesus according to the sources. And the reason why I think this is true because the people that are saying this hate Marcian. So why would

make that up? Why would they give him that point? There's no, so this, to me, that's like a solid, this is true. When the people who hate Marcion are going to, are willing to admit that his father was this guy, Philologous. And Philologus is considered, counted as one of the 70 in Luke that says he dispersed his 70 disciples out to the world to go preach the gospel. He was one of those guys, according to these sources. What does that mean? though. It means he's like chosen by Jesus to start his church, to go bring my church to another city and start up. And where he went was Sonope, which is at the coast of the Black Sea. And that's where Marcion grew up. So the story lines up. Marcion was his son. Marcion became very influential in the Christian church. And by the way, Marcion, the Marcionites, when Kelsis names the great church, he lists Marcian in the church. So this is, is first half of the second century, they're still not heretics yet. They're still part of the church at this time. That's how we know that they weren't just heretics off the bat. They became

heretics later when the church wanted to decide what are our doctrines? What do we believe in? So they ended up making him a heretic long after he's dead. So in his lifetime, he was never a heretic. After he dies, 50 years later, he becomes a heretic. So anyways, this guy goes to Rome. He was like a millionaire, like an equivalent of a millionaire at that time. And he brings all this money to Rome and, like, tries to, like, gain influence in Rome. And then it didn't, for some reason, it didn't go well. He ends up leaving Rome, going back to Asia Minor, and that ends his days out there. But the Roman shirts didn't accept him the way he wanted to.

He tried to go there with all his money and influence. It tried to become the boss. Like, it didn't work. So that's the Marcion. Marcion was in one of these Christians who said that the Old Testament God was the Demiurgini's evil. He was one of those Christians. So that's why it's crazy because the son of one of the 70 disciples is saying this. It makes you think, was this doctrine really part of the Christian?

It might have been part like normal Christian mentality to view the Old Testament God as not the same as the God that Jesus is the son of. And it reflects the attitude of the Christians against the Jews is they're like the Jews aren't real. We're the real Israel. That's their mentality. to be saved in Christ is to be Israel-like to them. To be of Jew, it means nothing. Jesus even says, God can raise up sons of Abraham from these stones if he wants.

Who cares who your father is? Like, he didn't care about genealogies or who was really Jewish. He cared about what was in their heart rather than what their flesh was. Anyways. That's a Christian idea. Then you get this group called the Alka-Sites. These were Jewish.

Now we're going to the opposite. it. The Alka sites are actually Torah observant. So they actually follow the laws of Moses. And they don't think the Old Testament God's evil. They think he is the real God. But this is where it gets crazy. The Alka

sites thought that Jesus became, maybe after he died or something, but he became a 96 mile wide angel. So he's this giant angel in the sky. It can fly around and stuff. Ninety-six miles. That's what the math

translates to in our and in english i forgot i don't know what they say in the in the greek but if you translate it it it becomes they say he's 96 miles then he had a sister called the holy spirit who's just as big what what was the name for those giants back then there was a there was a name for nephalum yes maybe he became a nephalum and then obviously the anonaki took into that yeah on and knocker knock in the nephalum yeah i want to get to that we're going to put a little bookmark on the anonaki we'll talk about that in a second because it's interesting stuff. Okay. I mentioned the Peritay, and they believe that all the pagan gods are just demons. Remember, we talk about that. Right, right. Then there's a group called the Montanus.

Oh, no, let me get them before that. Stick on the Jewish ones, the Ebianites. The Ebyonites claim that they're the Church of James, the brother of Jesus. That's what they say. They're located in Jerusalem. So they have some legitimacy here. There might be some truth to this. They claim to be the real Christians. They think, they don't think Jesus is God. They think he's just a prophet. They don't think he's divine. He's just another man. He was the Messiah, though. And their, and their idea, the Messiah isn't divine. He's just the chosen, anointed one of God. Okay. But they think Paul is a liar. And they reject all Hellenism and Greek stuff. They're just sticking to the Jewish stuff. Okay. That's the

Ebionites. From the branch of the Ebionites, there's a group called the Nasaurians. and Jesus was called a Nisorian, so it's like, hmm. And apparently, John the Baptist is one of these Nisorians. And the Nisorians end up becoming another group called the Mandeans. What do you classify all these groups as? Like what, what, they're just different sects of Christianity. Roaming cults? Roman cults.

Yeah, cults. Okay, just cults. Okay. But this is normal. Like, even Christianity today is all divided up into different, even within the Catholic Church, You have Franciscan and this is how different groups, different monasteries had different names named off a saint. Okay. So it's not like even Christianity today within Orthodoxy still does this.

Like Baptists. Your name is basically named off your leader. Like whoever you lead to, like, you know, Montanis is the guy in Montanis. That's his name. But the Nasaurians become the Mandans and they're led by John the Baptist. They think John the Baptist was greater than Jesus. and they're like the Evianites in the sense that they don't think Jesus

was a God. He was just the Messiah. Okay. But they think John and Bethes had a greater purpose than Jesus. And they are still around today. The Bandians. You could find him in Israel to this day. Really? Still there. They still believe the same stuff. They still think Jesus was there.

But John and Bataziz was greater. They still exist today. They're called the Mandians. And Mandah. There are a lot of them. Manda is Arabic for the word gnosis. It means knowledge. So they're called Gnostics in Arabic, Mandans. Oh, wow. Manda means knowledge.

So they're in Israel today. They still exist. That's bizarre. Yeah. So they claim to be the real ones, the Nasorians. Jesus was an Osorian. And that's actually one of his titles, too. Jesus, the Nasurian.

That's what they call themselves. So, yeah, anyways. Then there's a group called the Montanist. They're led by a guy named Montanus. And his big thing was, His big focus in his cult was speaking in tongues, prophesying. There are people who do think psychedelics were involved because they were like really into the spirit stuff. But I don't know if the sources actually say that.

But like they're into the whole like becoming inspired by the Holy Spirit and prophesying, speaking in tongues. And their central book was the book of Revelation. And in fact, Turtolian is one of the church fathers. he's called the father of Latin Christianity. He's the big saint in the Catholic Church. He was baptized by this heretic, Montanus. He called himself a Montanus before he became a Catholic. So this is how close we are.

They're so close together in the beginning. And then they become far apart as time goes on. As we look back, we're like, oh, they were heretics, they were not. But in this time period, they were all together. They were all Christians together. So this guy, Montanis led a group of, like, I guess they were women. The two of the names we have are Prisca and Maximilu. And they were basically like the Oracle of Delphi.

They were prophecy and tell you your future. And like Revelation was considered heretical at first. They didn't accept the book of Revelation until like 415 AD. That's when they included Revelation into the canon of the Bible. I think it's like 415 or something. But it's 5th century. The book of Revelation before the 5th century was almost considered heretic. most of the church fathers didn't want it to be part of the Bible.

It was because of this sect, the Montanist, because it was their central book. And they said, no, those are their heretics. We can't have their book, be part of our book. But it's in her Bible today. It made it in. So Revelation, yeah, that was a Montanist text. And then, um, it wasn't, didn't, like before a 100, like when Christianity started to become, like, really popular mainstream, yeah.

Mainstream weren't like women a big part of the religious leaders. Just look at the text. You got Martha and Mary and all their whole entourage of women that are there. And it says in the text there was a whole bunch of them there. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, like women were performing rituals. They were like the heads of these.

They're running cults. And they were like a big part of the myth and the mystery. And then like around 100. Around 200, I'd say. Around 200, they just. Around 200 is when they start getting, they start saying no more women leading stuff. And then so here's a crazy part about that. Why do you think that was?

I don't know. It just became really patriarchal around 200. Irenaeus and Hippolytus are the big leaders of this. And Irenaeus is famous for pushing bishop authority over all else. And this is where the whole Gnostic schism happens under Ironaeus. He writes against the heresies. And he says that these Gnostics believe in personal revelation from God. and Irenaeus and apolitic believes in no not personal revelation from God the bishops lead the church

bishop authority bishop bishop bishop bishop bishop authority right and that was what he preached and then so here's where it gets crazy the seven authentic epistles of paul that all the scholars agree even bart airman agrees that these seven epistles are written by one person who was probably Paul. There's no other reason. It was Paul. But then the other four or five epistles that are written by someone else in Paul's name,

the question is when did the, who wrote those and why are they saying that it's Paul? Who's lying, right? Some people think, the church will say it was one of Paul's secretaries. It really was Paul, but someone else was writing for him. Right. But here's the thing.

Marcion's God, Marcion had a canon. before anyone else. Marcion is the first Christian to put together a New Testament. He took the seven authentic letters of Paul. He only had seven epistles and it happened to be the seven

authentic ones that scholars agree are authentic. It just happens to line up that way. The two other texts that aren't included in Marcion's New Testament is is what is it called? Timothy. First Timothy

and second Timothy. and Titus. Those three epistles that are supposed to be written by Paul are not written by Paul and they're forged. This is what scholars think. And they happen to be not in Marcion's New Testament. Now, check this out.

What do you know? What's in this text? It talks about Bishop's authority over everything else. So people think, and myself included, I think First Timothy and Second Timothy were written by someone that maybe Aronius himself wrote it. in Paul's name to give it the authority

to say look even Paul says Bishop authority over all else and then what else is in 1st Timothy 1stimuthy has antinostic rhetoric in there saying these people call it falsis it's false nosis

that's in 1stimuth and no other and even in the other seven authentic pistols of Paul he says noses is good so what would Paul change his mind or what really happened is they produced these texts because they wanted the doctrine to align so the bishops can have the authority. Right.

So right around 200 AD, you start to see this push towards bishops, bishops, bishops, bishops, and no more personal salvation, no more speaking in tongues, no more bachic mania stuff going on, Holy Spirit, you know, all that stuff. That becomes heretical. So that's what happened with that. Wow, dude. So the next thing I wanted to get into is, I'm talking about the Valentinians. The Valentinians, man, they had this crazy Pythagorean system where they do Jamatria. Have you heard of that? Uh-uh.

It's when like certain, it's when names in Hebrew or Greek are given a numerical value. So Nero is 666, right? Right. So there is 24 letters in the Greek alphabet, right? Okay. Jesus's Jamotria is 888. Now, what do I mean by that? They take the letter for Yeshua in Hebrew, or I'm sorry,

Yesus in Greek, and they give it, every letter has a numeric thing. This is well known. Jamachia was the thing they did in the first century. So in Greek, yesus equals 888. Now if you go down, wow.

If you go down, that's how you do the math. Yesus 888. Christos is 1480, right? That's cool. The one that's important is Yasus though. Okay. So keep going down. I just want to show you something.

It's pretty fascinating. What is this? Seven, seven. Yeah, there's a lot of people who go way, way deeper than I do into this. They'll say, like, this numbers actually mean something in the heavens or something. Oh, yeah, that's a sacred geometry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there might be so true to that.

But the one I want to, the one that fascinates me the most is in the Greek alphabet, there are eight different categories. Or there's three categories in the Greek alphabet. Maybe it's not on this list. Keep going down. Eight, eight, keep going. That's a tiny type. Yeah. Jesus, E. This is it.

This is it? Oh, wait, is this it? Hebrew and the ancient alphabet And the numerical values are the letters. Yeah, keep going down, keep going down. You sound like Alman when you say that. Keep going down. You should just have developed, you should just like...

Oh, there we go. That's it. Go up, go up, go up. All right, so there are... See how there's three lines of Greek? Yeah, what? There's an elf... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there's three... The first three... The first three rows are... Yes. Horizontal rows are Greek. So what this guy, what the Valentinians put together, Valentinus put this together, he was saying that since Jesus is the Logos,

he's the Word of God, his name in Greek also happens to be 8-8-8, which represents the 8, 8 and 8 categories of Greek. There's eight, it's called like heftuads or something, eight-a-du-ods and eight... I can't remember the other one. but if you know Greek, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. There's three different groups of types of letters in Greek.

Okay. And so it's eight of one, eight of another, eight of another, which is exactly what his Dramachry is. So a lot of Mithesis will say, look, he didn't exist. See, they made it up. It's like, well, Yeasus was a popular name in the first century anyway. So it could have just happened that way. But, yeah, that's why that's the Valentinian 8-8-A-Gimatra. Who was 666?

Nero. Nero was 666. Nero was 666. And then the reason why we know it's Nero, because the way it explains him in the text, it lines up to be Nero. They say there's five kings before him, two after, which is what ends up being the Flavians, whatever. Vespasian and Titus. And then Dismission is the next coming of Nero, right? He's the next beast that comes up.

So the numbers line up, the story lines up. But then it gets, and there's a slam dunk on this, why it's Nero. And the Latin version of the Bible, they change it to 616 because the Latin Dramatria is 616 for Nero. So it's like, it has to be Nero. The only way around that, if it's not Nero, was that the Latins, whoever wrote it in Latin thought it was Nero and then changed it to that. So that's like, it's probably Nero. Right. But that's the Valentinians.

They do all this crazy numerology, Pythagorean. They consider themselves to be Pythagorean Christians. Okay. And they were the first group to have a Trinity. They called it a triad, which is what Trinity is. In Greek, it's triados. And it's God the Father, who's the noose, which means mind. Christ, the son, who's the Logos.

And then Sophia, who is Zoe? And you're like, who's Zoe? Eve? That's the name of Eve in Greek. But in John's Gospel, John 1, If you want to look up John 1 in Greek, you can do this. This is actually kind of fascinating.

This will be cool. John 1 in Greek. John 1 in Greek. There you go. Interlinear of Bible. If you look, it says, you know, an archa, no logos, Kai O logos, and prose,

Tone Theon, right? Kai, as you keep going down. On the fourth verse, it says, in him life, in him was life, the life was the light. Now in Greek, you didn't hear that right there because it's in English, but in Greek, the word for life is Zoe. So it says, and a to Zoe, right. Henkai a Zoe, hand to foes. What did I just say? In him was the life and the life was the light of the

world. So John 1 contains inside of it the Trinity. Logos, Zoe, and God are all one with God. And it even says the first page, in the beginning was the logos. If you go up again. Keep going to the top. NRK and the logos. In the beginning was the logos, the word. So John 1-1 is the logos. John 1-4 is Zoe.

But they're both God. So the Valentinians are saying, look, our Trinity is right there. And by the way, even today, they say the Trinity is John. That's where you get the Trinity for. Oh, wow. So the Trinitarian fathers are adopting this. They're doing it differently than them. the Pythagorean's, they take the whole Sophia thing out and they just say Christ is life.

They kind of simplify it, but that's where it comes from. God. The first, the oldest Trinity is a Gnostic idea. That's wild, dude. Greek is just like, Greek's amazing. Greek is incredible. When you translate Greek, you change it. You cannot contain the essence of the original Greek.

It's impossible. Haman was saying that like when you understand Greek and you really start to learn Greek, He's like, it just opens your mind. It does. It, like, changes the way you think. It, like, changes the way you think. It's the greatest language ever. It really is.

Especially classical Greek. Yeah. It's different than modern Greek. Right, obviously. It's just something magic about it, man. It really is. What is it about, like, how much have you learned? It expands the mind, man.

It really does. A lot. I've been doing me, if Amlins went taking me through these workbooks for a year and a half to two years now. Is it just like the word, like the words like the one we were talking about earlier, or was like fear of God. You have like these words that involve. They have all these technical terms that mean a lot of things. There's a lot of that stuff going on.

Yeah, Greek's amazing. So the Valentinians had this idea of there being a triad. Then this is where it gets crazy. Basilides was a late first century Christian. And this where you get that logo, the Abraxas logo, the one that's on my channel, with the guy with the serpent legs and the head of the head of a, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a Braxis.

Now, this guy Basilides, who claims to be a steward of Simon Magus, and he says that Christ's father was Abraxas. And Abraxas has a germatria, as we just talked about, of 365. Abraxas germatria in Greek equals 365, which means he equals every day of the year. He also, he has seven letters in his name, which is the seven letters of a week. and if you multiply, this is where it gets really complicated. If you multiply the constantness of the vowels, you get 12 for the 12 months.

He's a calendar god. He's a time god. And then his head is of a bird. He gives him air. His body gives him land and his snake legs give him water. So he's an elemental god. So he represents the cosmos itself.

He represents reality itself. And he's saying that this, Brexas, whatever you think of God, it's this. He's just reality itself. And he says, Christ is the son of reality. It's like, Christ is the son of this God. He calls it the Magus Archon in Greek, which means great ruler.

And then, by the way, the Bicillodians, they're named after him. According to Clement of Alexandria, early second century writer, or a late second century writer, he says that the birthday of Christ, which is on January 6th, before it was on December 25th, It was January 6th. By the way, in Eastern Orthodoxy, they still celebrate January 6th as the birthday of Christ. That's why you have 12 days of Christmas. December 25th to January 6th is 12 days. Okay.

And to this day, Eastern Orthodoxy still celebrates the birthday of Jesus on January 6th. Clement of Alexandria says that the Russians, the Russians celebrate. Russians do it too. Clement of Alexandria says that the first people to decide this date was Bacilities. He was the first Christian to decide. to declare that Christ was born at the end of the winter solstice. Epiphanius,

the guy we talked about earlier, he says that January 6th turns out to be the birthday of two other gods too. This is where it gets crazy. He says, one of them's name is ion. Aion is like a version of Osiris

and Dionysus rolled together. He's like this late, he's like this first century, synchronistic god. You could look them up if you want. I know. And so they said his birthday was on January 6th. He was born of a virgin called the Corey, which is the name of Dionysus' mother,

Corey. That's Persephone's title. It's also a title for Kaibli, too. She has the title of Kaibli. And then check this out. And this is all epithaneous says the same thing here. He says another god named Dusharis. I'm sorry, it's A-I-O-N.

Yeah, it's confusing. There's a lot of words that sound the same in Greek. Yeah, that's it. The deity, Hellenistic deity associated with time. Yep. Now, if you go down in this, I think it says something about the birthday here too, where it says, look for epiphanious. Go up a little bit. Oh, you're going to find it right here.

Yeah. How do you spell epith? Ph. Ph. Ph. Ph. Ph. P.H. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. E P-I-P-H. E P-I-P-H.

There it is. Epiphanius says Alexandria, Ion's birth, Corey the Virgin was celebrated January 6th. Oh, shit. That's the same day as Christ, dude. You got this pagan God born of a virgin on January 6th, the same day as Jesus. Isn't that crazy?

They're just taking everything from previous shit. And so guess what? You ever heard of Petra? No. Look up Petra. Oh, the city? Yeah. In Arabia.

I've been here. Really? Yeah, I went to Israel for like a whole month, and then I went to Egypt, too, and Petro. Really? I did a whole tour. Look at the, click on that building. Oh.

Whoa. Look at that. Click on that building on the top left. Yeah. Can you zoom in on that building at all? See that guy in the middle? Very, very middle. Yeah, up top.

Yeah, this is perfect. You'll be able to see it. Up. Where? You can go right there. That guy, that's Dionysus. He's holding a thyrysis staff. He's holding the pine cone stuff.

But they don't call him Dionysus down in Arabia. In Arabia, it's D-U-S-A-R-E-S. That's him. He's also born on January 6th from a virgin named Kubaba. It's Kaibli. It's like all comes first circle. That's why I'd like, there's so much lining. What do modern Christian scholars say about this?

They just say, they're all borrowing from each other, some of its coincidence. They're all. They just kind of wave it off. How do they borrow from something that happened hundreds of years in the future? You can't borrow from something that happens. in the future? Yeah. And by the way, epithaneous is later. So a lot of, a lot of time, a lot of people will say epithaneous is, is saying that they're copying the Christians, but it's like, that's not, no, they don't even, I don't know, it's just, it's just so bizarre to think that. Because these

gods are worship in the first century. So they're already around before Christianity. So the idea that they would change up their own doctrines because of Christianity is kind of weird to me. It's possible. I'll admit it's possible. Now I understand what you said. You studied your way out of Christianity. Yeah. This is what this is stuff I'm discovering. Wild, dude.

So there's that. He's another god named Jasaris, born on January 6th, and he's got a virgin mother. What else? Let's see. I think I have one more. Oh, the Simonians. Oh, the Noetians are early group. I'm just going to real quick go on them.

They believe that Christ and Father were the same God. They're the first ones to think that, which is the doctrine that Christians hold today, that Christ and the Father are both one together. They were the first group of things. They were heretics at first for that idea. And then later on, it became doctrine, so it's weird.

But the Simonians are the wildest of all them. And they're named after Simon Magus. And they were set up in Rome. They're actually from Samaria. That's where Simon Magus was from. That's where he met Peter. And in the book of Acts,

Peter baptizes him. He was a magician. Remember in the text? I don't know if you read that. Simon Magus was a magician, pulling tricks on people. Yeah, you can look him up. I don't remember him from the saint.

Yeah, yeah, Simon Magus. Yeah, he, um, he, so here's the story about him. This is, this is a crazy story. This is the last Christian group I'm going to talk about. Um, so Simon Megas, he gets saved by Peter, whatever. He ends up going to Rome with Peter to start the church of Rome. And they have a schism, apparently, between the two of them. And Simon's followers deified.

him and say that he's the son of God. He's the logos. Simon Magus. Simon Magus is what they say about him. According to, according to all of his detractors, people that hate him are saying, epiphanius, apathists, all those guys. They're all right about this. This is all in their sources. So what happens is, they say that he is Zeus and his wife, Helen, is Minerva. And they're like, they're given titles of these gods. There's a statue in Rome of an old Etruscan God called Simosankus. It's super old bronze age God. It must have been still sitting there in the first century because they looked at this statue and because of the letters Simo Sancus almost sound like Simon, they're like, that's you. This is a prophecy of you. This statue became Simon Megas's

statue. He became this god, Simosankus. It's old as trusting God. And then it gets even crazier. he ends up having this is what the text says he actually starts having a magic duel with Peter the Apostle Peter the first bishop of Rome the one that the church is named that the St. Peter right he has a magic duel

with him and Simon Magus was like you know what Peter let's do this bro he said I know I have more power than you I know I have more Holy Spirit than you do let's have a showdown oh is this where he levitates he levitates up in the sky and then Peter goes

all right bro whacks him down and kills him this is what the story says so that's how Simon Magus dies he has a magic duel with Peter and Peter wins and that's when I don't know when that story was written it's probably in the middle of second century

when they wrote that story I just had this guy in the podcast not too long ago but named Jeffrey Criple yeah he's a religious scholar and he basically wrote a whole book about ancient levitation yeah and he think he told you about Simon Magus

well he was talking about basically like all these priests and these people levitating in antiquity like like just recounts and and writings of people levitating yeah and there were so much of it a lot of it a guy from uh from an aerospace company i think it was jPL like hit him up and he's like yo we want to learn about this levitation for like aerospace and he like ended up doing some sort of a talk this uh this talk at a they were taking they're taking it serious that huh they brought him to MIT and they had them talk about it because they're trying to figure out for modern aerospace. Dude, it's so wild.

That's crazy. Yeah, it's super crazy. So, okay, so what is the connection between or the misconceptions between the Nephilim and the Anunaki? So the Anunaki come from the Sumerian and Babylonian texts. Which was those texts came from when? Like 3,000 BC. 3,000 BC. Yeah, like this is the oldest text that exists in the world.

Like, there's nothing older than Samarian text. I mean, there's stories that predate these texts, but they're not written down. This is the, Sumer is the first place where we get written text. And they're in Kunea form and Acadian. And they write about these Anunnaki. And there's these group of gods that, and sometimes they're in the underworld. In some stories, they're in the heavens. It depends on what story you're looking at.

Mm-hmm. Most of the time it's in the underworld gods, which is a misconception. People think that these are coming from above. But most of the texts describe them as in the underworld. But there are some texts that do describe them coming from the heavens. So there is some credibility there. But they get lumped in with the Nephilim because the Nephilim are also described as these. Oh, these are the tablets.

Those are the old ancient Sumerian tablets. Yeah. Wow. They're from like 3,000, 2,000 BC, somewhere in between 2,500 BC. Yeah, super old. Now, check this out, right? So the Nephilim are these like fallen gods. Sometimes they're called giants because nephil can mean giant in Greek.

But nephil also can mean to fall. So depending on how you read it, it could be fallen ones or giants. And there's two different translations for that. And some texts are the following ones. In some texts, they're the giants. Or maybe they're both. Maybe that's a pun. You never know.

But they get lumped in with the Anuraki because the story is very similar as the Anuraki. In the sense that Anuraki, there are stories of Anurnaki being cast out from the presence of Enlil. And they end up serving other purposes. And that's how they get. So there's a very similar story happening between the two, which I think there's some credibility to that. But the, this is where it gets crazy. How the hell do you translate that?

They can stick and read that though. People can read that. Looks like chicken scratch. Yeah, it does. Samuel Noah Kramer translated all these texts that I'm about to describe. And one of the texts that mentions the Anunnaki, there's a guy named, uh, what's his name? Utnipisham.

And he's, there's a couple different flood stories. One of them is called Artajasis. That's another guy. And the other one's called the Epic of Gilgamesh. Yes. And this guy, so depending on what story you're getting at, the guy who's, whoever's in the flood story, he survives a flood. That's Gilgamesh, I think it is. Well, Gilgamesh, that's the name of the story, but the guy's name is Ardhaasus who survives a flood.

Okay. And he survives his flood. And at the end of the story, he lets off a dove and a raven and waits for seven days from the comeback. This is exactly what Genesis says for Noah. when Noah is at the end of the flood for 40 days he lets off a dove and a raven and waits seven days for them to return it's exactly the same they're literally borrowing from this story so the story of Noah surviving the ark

is actually predated by thousands of years in this Sumerian story so there's two ways of looking at it you can be critical and say yeah this is an ancient story is an ancient pagan story being repurposed by the Jews or you can say this is actually so ancient and so true that it shows up in this other story in the ancient world

depending on which way how you want to spin it. You can make it positive for the Noah's Ark and say Noah's Ark is so true that we find it in another version in a different story or you can say

it's such a retelling of an ancient pagan story that it can't be true because it's already this is already in a text from a thousand years before Noah was ever talked about. Right.

Because Noah there's no mention of Noah until classical period. Hellenistic period, basically. Persian period. If you want to be like, give them a little bit of maybe Persian period, but there's no mention of Noah before that.

So the story goes that the Anunaki, the NL and Anki created these AGIs who were supposed to terraform the earth and they got tired of working or whatever and then they created human beings somehow. Yep. Or they like sacrificed a God to create humans to be the slaves to do all this hard work.

Yeah, and Enki. And this is where I get into, this is like Anki is this god in the ancient Sumerian stories who he creates humans but he's also like a trickster

and he seems to always defy the will of N. Lil. So he's almost like a proto-Satan character where he cares about humans but when N-Lill wants to flood everybody he wants to kill humans N-L because he's sick of them

he wants to flood them out. They're all sinners they're all dumb asses but Ankees saves them Anki's the one that tells Arthorhasis to build the ark because Enlil's going to kill you guys. He wasn't supposed to do that. He defies the will of Enlil. This also happens in the Greek mythology. When Zeus is fed up with humans, he wants to send a flood.

Right. It's Prometheus who says, hey, Zeus is going to kill you all. Prometheus is the creator god and he's a trickster. So Prometheus is the Greek version of Anki. and you can almost say in Judeo-Christianity, it's Satan that's that character. And Prometheus tried to, I don't know where I'm pulling this information from,

but I feel like I read this somewhere, but Prometheus trying to... Probably from me and Georgiani's talk. He tried to trick Zeus. When me and Georgiani had our talk about Prometheus, we talked about this in depth. Okay. We went, that's probably where you saw it,

when I was telling you about Georgiani. Georgiani's really into this whole idea of Prometheus is actually Lucifer, but he's not the even. evil one. It's very Gnostic and it's a very Gnostic idea in the sense that the good God is actually the bad one and the bad one is actually the good one. Right, right. He's trying to give you the knowledge to save yourself. And Prometheus wanted to save humanity from Zeus. From Zeus. And he tried to like trick Zeus by or by like. He just went against his back. There was like some sort of like animal that they were having a feast or whatever. That's another one.

And he tried to trick him by giving him two pieces and one of them was like looked like a bunch of meat but it was filled with bone. and he thought Zeus would pick the right or the wrong one. Yes. Prometheus is the idea of Prometheus is to teach people that the gods can be manipulated and tricked in the right circumstances if you're slick enough to do it. It's almost like giving, it's what. Prometheus represents the tree of knowledge. Take a bite.

See what happens. Right. You know what I mean? And then he like sentenced him to like die a new death every day on a mountain. He sends him up to the Caucasus mountains where he's from. and he chains them up. I wish I had this one book that I have written by Kyle Kerrini about Prometheus

where he finds the oldest depictions of Prometheus from Etruscan art, from Greek art, and he's always depicted with his arms up like this, chained to a rock, like a crucifixion. Maybe you could find that photo. Yeah. I think Christianity is drawing from these motifs and then repurposing for different,

look at that. that's how the oldest Look at his beard and everything Looks like so Christ-like You know what I mean? Wow That's Prometheus Wow

And that's that's the way That's the Etruscan B.C. That's the Etruscan spelling of his name Yeah BC Yeah if you go down It says it right there There's another one

There's another one That's him being saved By Apollo and Hercules Oh wow Being taken off the craw Or being taken off of his See there's the eagle That's biting at his leg

Yeah Oh check this out too Talking about drugs right Medea. The ancient witch Medea. Yes. This is what Amin has tattooed on his head, right? Yeah.

She had a magic potion called Promethea. And it was the blood. Remember, we're talking about the blood of Christ being magic, and they're drinking in these Eucharists. This is happening for Prometheus back in the ancient world. Well, Prometheus' blood was mixed in a potion by Medea. The same blood that dripped from him while he was on the rock was made into a potion that could heal you and make you immortal. No way.

Yeah. There's sources for this and everything. I mean, I can read the source if you want. You want to hear it? You want to hear it? You want to hear it? Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's called the magical Promethean herb from Apollonius of Rhodes, third century BC.

Anyone can look this up. It says she Medea, third century BC, she Medea took a magic ointment from her box. This salve was named after Prometheus. A man had only to smear it on his body After propitiating the only begotten maiden, Hecatee, with a midnight offering To become invulnerable by sword or fire, and for that day to surpass himself in strength and daring, It first appeared in the plant that sprang from the blood-like ecore of Prometheus in his torment,

Which the flesh-eating eagle had dropped on the spurns of the Caucasus. the flowers which grew on twin stalks a cubit high were of the color corsean saffron while the root talking about root cutting

that's where you get DMT from from roots while the roots looked like flesh that had just been cut by the way root cutters is the name of an ancient um

an ancient sorcerer they're called root cutters because they use they cut roots to make drugs with right so these roots have just been cut and the juice is like dark sap of a mountain oak to make the ointment Medea clothed in black in the gloom of night had drawn off his juice in the Caspian shell after bathing in seven perennial streams and calling seven times on Bremo nurse of youth Bremo night wanderer of the underworld queen of the dead the dark earth shook and rumbled underneath the titan root when it was cut and Prometheus himself groaned in anguish of his soul there it is right there there there's a bunch of sorts of

There's a bunch of sources on it, too. That's wild. Yeah. You can see, so you can see how, look, it's not just that one source. There's a bunch of them. If you go, that's the one I just read. If you go down, look, Peripius, first century BC, he mentions it to. Valerius Flacchus.

Up a little bit. Right there. Valerius Flacchus mentions it. Seneca. So that's four different sources that mention this magic blood ointment of Prometh. It's called Promethea. Wow. Medea.

Yeah. Medea is the one who made it. So what do you make of the, uh, the connections of the Anunaki to aliens by Zachariah Sitchin? Zachariah Sitchin is famous for that. A lot of people, a lot of people are running with this now.

They run with it. I've had people on this podcast. Yeah, they love that idea. I mean, look, I'm not, I can't read Samarian. So I don't know how he got. He's, apparently he can. Um, other scholars. Who Sitchin?

Yeah. Sitchin can. Other scholars of Acadian say that his translations are sound. That's what they say. I'm just saying what they say. He might be right. I mean, that's, that's something I want to look more into. It's a fascinating theory. And Sitchin's somehow. I don't just side with scholars on anything. I look to see what the argument is. I want to know, are you right? Does the data support it? I don't care what the consensus is. I look at the consensus because I want to, Compare it. Right. I'm always looking at what they're saying versus what the person's challenging them with. And in the case of Zacharii Sitchin, he says that there's Anunaki are fallen,

Nephilim, fallen aliens that, and these stories are written about it. But there's a lot of contention between his translation of the word Nibiru, the planet he says they came from. Yeah. Which Nibiru was like some sort of planet that was like between Mars and Jupiter and it somehow got hit. and transformed into Earth, like, something like that. But I guess, like, there's a different translation of DeBiru. Apparently, that's not what it meant. It didn't mean some sort of other planet.

Yeah, it's like another realm or something. Like, another heaven realm or something like that. Yeah. That's what they're saying it is. And Cichin doesn't think that. He thinks it's a planet. I don't know. I don't know what to say on that.

And he connected it to the pyramids somehow? Yeah. I don't know how he got there. I have to look into what he said, to be honest. But I did talk to my friend Josh Bowen, who's a seriologist. I asked him about this. We did a video on it. It's got 1.4 million views somehow.

But he says that here's where he thinks Zechariah Sitchin trips up. He says there's a lot of words in Acadian that sound like it looks like two words together that sound like it might mean something else. For example, like we talk about this, how the word butterfly. We know what a butterfly is. It's a bug that flies around. But somebody in a different language, 5,000 years from now,

might say, oh, it's butter that flies. Right. A stick of butter that flies around. So he thinks, so this is how he described it to me, my friend Josh. He said that Sitchin is doing this a lot. He sees words. And so some of the stuff that he's translating

might actually be there. But they're saying these words, don't really mean that. They're using different context. Right. So, yeah. But hey, look, I'm willing to give it a shake. If he's, I'll look into it more.

You know, I haven't dug deep into Zechariya Sitchin and the alien thing yet. Right. There is. Butterfly boys and girls. Especially with the latest stories come out about these UFOs and stuff. Yeah, the government's saying that they're angels now. Right now, right now might be the time they're looking into that stuff. They're angelic beings or not.

Who are saying that? people in the government now are like saying that they are like Mike Johnson and those guys well yeah those people some of them like deep in the government or like I don't know who exactly it is but the consensus seems to be in like the UFO community that they're like looking for the next coming of Christ and they're like angels flying around or or enlightened beings that are flying around I'm telling you it's this is um you know who's the best person to talk about close encounters with is George Johnny I got to get you introduced with George Johnny. I was the one I was telling you about with who wrote,

he writes about Prometheus. That's what I was telling you about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But he also wrote a book called Close Encounters. And he comes at it from a whole different, because he's a psych, or he's a philosophy professor. Okay. He knows about all the ancient philosophies.

He's big into Persian history. Prometheus. He has come that comes out from a whole different angle that makes a lot more sense than what you normally get. Hmm. It was like Ezekiel's wheel, too. Like some people think like, oh, Ezekiel was seeing a UFO or a flying saucer or something like that. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he actually writes on that too. That's the, in his book. But anyways, that's, yeah, that's what I would, that's who you should. I'll show you who he is and stuff like that. And who was the, Diana Pesolka was talking about a, some sort of nun, Teresa, I forget her name, but there was a a story she told about how

it was a cherub or something, but the way she described the cherub was like depicting of like what we would think of as an alien. And she had, I forget what the name of this nun's name. If you go back in the Diana Posulka episode, you'll be able to... St. Teresa, maybe? Maybe it was St. Teresa. and then she somehow like that was a good episode

but transported to New Mexico or something like that this was very recent I think yeah anyways but no Pasuka I see her I saw her on this channel and I watched her on

Lex's show yeah she seems very brilliant yeah she's PhD I think right so it's like there are credible scholars getting into this stuff that are taking it seriously they're not just crazy people so I mean

Look, I'm open to see what's going on with that. That's my next frontiers to look into. Yeah, it's super interesting, man. All right, well, tell people where they can watch your videos on your YouTube channel, where they can follow you, where they can get in touch with you, all that stuff. Just look up Gnostic informant, YouTube. You could follow me on X. I'm not too crazy on there.

I'm not on there every day. I try to stay away from all that shit. But I'm on there, so you can follow me on X. I love what you're doing. Dude, you're so deep into this. You're so obsessed with this stuff. Yeah, I love it. It's all I talk about.

It's so cool. I talk about ancient religious stuff. And you learned about all this in prison? That's where I started reading. Started reading. When I got out, it was when I really got deeper. Yeah, you got deeper. That's where I started it all.

You fell down this rabbit hole initially. Yeah, I had a, after in high school and my early, actually no, just at age 20 was when I really went deep into, I was going down a bad path, using a lot of substances and drinking a lot. And I ended up wound up in prison, but, you know, I was able to clean myself up because of, I guess you could say, going from one addiction to the next. And now I'm into like ancient text.

How long were you in prison for her? 18 months. 18 months. For selling drugs? Yeah. Possession. Yeah. Possession.

You were talking about a little bit offline. You were like manufacturing DMT or something? I had a big DMT phase, but that's after. Oh, this was after. This was, actually, I got to say this, though. People talk about all the time how DMT saves their lives and stuff and it does. That shit rewired my brain. And I had a whole phase like 10 years of making DMT a lot, trying DMT, having experiences that I could wish I could.

I can't even, it wouldn't even give it justice to try to explain it on here. People who have done it know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Like you meet like meeting entities, uh, having conversations with Brahma. the god brahma that happened to me once yeah wow it was nuts let's let's let's keep let's keep talking about it let's let's do uh let's go on patreon this is go on patreon we'll keep talking about shit on patreon so if you want to hear my dmt stories you got to go behind to his patreon that's right what's the one we're going to patreon oh i don't know we'll link it below

i think it's just patreon slash danny jones hallelujah motherfuckers we're going to patreon nice good night